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Hello everyone and welcome to a very
special episode of good hang. You know
we have done 52 episodes deck of cards
baby and it is time to celebrate and we
are going to celebrate with a few clip
shows that puts together some of our
finest and most fun moments. And our
first one this week is all of our SNL
stories. So we have had cast members on
here. We've had people who hosted and
we've had a lot of people talk about
their time on SNL, the good and the bad.
And so we've grabbed some of them and
put them together. And you're going to
hear from some amazing people. You're
going to hear from people like Maya
Rudolph, uh Seth Meyers, Martin Short,
Andy Samberg, Tina Fay, Jack Black,
Rachel Dra, Kristen Wig, Anna Gastire.
It's going to be incredible. And we are
going to start this episode with someone
who worked behind the scenes, someone
who was and is still the most incredible
photographer who took all the pictures
of your favorite people and and they are
their favorite photographs. And just
recently, her new book, The Art of the
SNL Portrait, has come out. Mary Ellen
Matthews is joining us. And let's get
the skinny about what it takes to work
at that crazy place. Mary Ellen. Hello.
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>> Mary Ellen.
>> Hi. Hi, honey.
>> Hi, honey. This is I'm so I'm so
thrilled to be here. Like never in my
wildest dreams. This is so This is
amazing.
>> Are you kidding me? I'm so You know, so
we're like doing a our clip show of all
the SNL peeps that have come through. So
many of them are in your book.
>> The art of the SNL portrait, your book.
>> I'm so excited to see it in your little
paws. [laughter]
>> Tell everybody like what your job What
does your job consist of? What does the
week look like?
>> Um, so we find out who's going to be on
the show like the week before uh or a
couple weeks before that hopefully. And
um and I just kind of have to come up
with them ideas and talk to the stylist,
talk to whoever's team it is because
it's collaborative. It's between you and
I. It's between whoever it is and
myself. I I don't want to drive the
vision just what I want to do. So um you
know try to include whoever it is in
those decisions. And also it's like it's
not about just doing these, you know,
uh, conceptual ones. It's just about,
you know, you being you in this time and
and and space because it's all, you
know, it's a documentary also about the
about the time of you're doing the show
and what's going on in the world. And
>> it's so true. You're right. Like
everyone has an era
>> that they're in.
>> Yeah, for sure. And um, like for
instance, it was there was a blizzard
happening one in 2016. It was on at
Saturday. Ronda Rousey was on the show.
So grabbed her between dress and air,
threw her on a sled, and just put her
outside on 15th Street. So things like
that, if you can really like nail it
down to the actual minute that it's
happening is pretty special.
>> That's cool. You want you want the
pictures to feel like live, like part of
a live show.
>> Yeah. I mean, I wish I could do that
more often, but you know, that's not No
one else wants to do that but but me.
>> Uh let's talk about Tom Broker. What
does he do at the show and how do you
guys work together?
>> Tom is the costume designer. He designs
all the costumes and the wardrobe for
the entire show. And um for me, I work
with him on on the photo shoots. So I if
um he styles the photo shoots if the
person doesn't come with their own sty
styling team and if I have an idea of
like and I want Amy to be in a um you
know 177 a 17th century Dutch ma Dutch
masterpiece you know of course that idea
doesn't come till about 1:30 when when
you're going to step on set. So it's
like I'm like Tom, you know, I'm so
sorry this idea just came to me, but it
happens way sometimes. But, you know, so
he has an archive and he's just a genius
to know what to pull and know exactly
how to make sense of this sort of, you
know, wacky idea.
>> Well, I I'll give a per a perfect
personal example of what it's like
working with Mary Ellen. So Mary Ellen's
like, "I have this idea where you have
an apple on your head. You're balancing
an apple on your head, right?" And I'm
like, "Okay, cool." And then props gets
the apple and then Tom's like, "What are
you thinking?" And you're like, "I feel
like maybe something like angelic." And
I put this like kind of white dress on.
It looks kind of culty. And you're like,
"That's cool. That's cool." And we're
like, "That's cool. That's cool." And
then the apple goes on your head. And
someone's behind me holding the apple on
my head. And you're like, "Don't worry.
We'll, you know, we'll paint it out. We
can paint out the hand so it looks like
the apple's on the head." But then
you're like, "But it looks kind of cool
with the creepy hand holding the apple."
Yeah.
>> And that's a perfect example of like all
of these things are happening in real
time and the creativity part is the part
you're getting the most excited about
>> 100%. And you know it's like uh I think
who is it? Quincy I have to I'm going to
quote Quincy Jones right now said let's
leave room for God when you walk into
the studio because you don't know what's
going to happen.
>> Marielen, anyone that's worked with you
like you're proof that if you're good at
your job and you're wonderful to work
with like it should be easy. It
shouldn't be hard. It shouldn't be
torturous. It, you know, everyone that
has worked with you comes away with
their their favorite pictures of
themselves.
>> A that's so nice to hear. I mean,
>> it's true.
>> And it's a collaborative thing. I've got
so many great people working with me and
um you know, the styling goes into it.
Our prop department, you know, there uh
I can I'll tell a funny story if you
have time.
>> Of course.
>> Okay. Um so Paul Rudd was on with Paul
McCartney and I thought of this at the
very end. you know, we were all like,
you know, I couldn't, you know, he's
watching the rehearsal. I'm like, you
got to come over here. We got to get
this done. And at the van, I was like,
we should make you into a 60s version of
Paul McCartney, the mop top.
>> And so, you know, he's got to go on and
do his rehearsals and whatnot. Um,
Speedy or Sir Speedy, who is who is, you
know, the wonderful guy who the
gentleman who takes care of all the
bands equipments and all logistics. He
goes running down to like Chelsea
guitar, gets like the left-handed bass
for for the Paul McCartney. Jod's doing
the wig, and Tom's pulling together
this, and we put it together during meal
break, and he is like, he nails this. I
could show you.
>> Yes, he nails this. I'm I'm a mop top
Paul McCartney and it's one of my
favorite
>> Oh my god, I remember that picture. So
listeners, it's a black and white
picture of Rudd looking like Paul
McCartney and it's this is Mary Ellen in
a nutshell which is like I have an idea
and then everybody steps to it. It's a
complete collaboration like you said and
it looks incredible
>> and you can't ask that kind of get from
people unless you know it's a good idea.
>> Well, you took an amazing picture of
Tina and I when we hosted where we were
Simon and Garfuncle.
>> There's a great behind thescenes picture
in there by the way at the very end um
of you two like laughing when you were
doing that.
>> Well, everyone should check out the art
of the SNL portrait. Mary Ellen
Matthews, the best photographer around.
Mary Ellen, everyone that has worked
with you adores you and um you are aging
in reverse. Love you, Mary Ellen. Thank
you so much for doing this and congrats
again on your book.
>> Yeah, I hope see you soon, honey.
>> Okay, honey. I'll see you soon. Thanks
again. Bye.
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Thank you, Mary Ellen. Thanks for
getting on. It's so good to see you. And
um let's get started with our show. Uh
let's hear first from Maya Rudolph.
>> One thing I wanted to bring up in that
office was uh there was a cleaning lady
um
>> Rosa.
>> Rosa that worked in the in the on the
17th floor. Teeny tiny lady.
>> Very teeny.
>> And um she had been there for a very
long time. She had seen some [ __ ]
>> Yeah.
And uh there was a moment when would you
tell the moment when we were in that
office and Rosa came in?
>> I think it was probably usually if we
were in that office during the day cuz
we were there so much at night, you
know, they we weren't keeping regular
office hours. So there weren't great
times for people to come in and clean
and change the trash cans out and stuff.
And so it's probably a read through day,
maybe like a Wednesday, and we were in
there waiting for uh table read to
start. And um someone was definitely
crying. I think I think Emily might have
been crying cuz her desk at in that
office was close to the door and so she
had her back to the door
>> and she was talking to us about
something that was really hard and we
were also sleepd deprived and I just
remember Rosa coming in and she didn't
speak very much English. Um, but she saw
what she always saw, which was she came
in and she saw a few of us just sitting
around talking to each other deep in
conversation and Emily was crying and
she put her hand on Emily's shoulder and
she goes, "Don't cry, sexy.
Do you remember that?" [laughter]
I love it so much. It was like it was
yesterday.
>> Don't cry.
>> Don't cry, sexy. And highly recommend
you say that to your friend when they're
sad. It's really
>> just a little
>> Don't cry sexy.
>> Don't cry sexy.
>> Um, do you want to tell everyone the
first time you met Barack Obama and who
you were dressed as?
>> Yes, I would love to. Um, the first time
I met Barack Obama when he was running
for office, I was dressed as Shirley
Mlan.
And um
>> and then the second time you saw him,
you were dressed as
>> Barack Obama. [laughter]
>> Um yeah, it was a sketch that you were
you and Daryl were Hillary and Bill
Clinton at um Halloween party.
>> Halloween party. And it was one of And I
remember
Barack was new on the scene.
>> Mhm.
>> Looking smooth.
And uh and at that time I think like
Barack Obama masks were popular, you
know, it was like the new candidate.
>> And um so the joke was going to be that
I come in like [ __ ] w I'm Barack Obama.
And then he taps me on the shoulder with
his mask and takes mask off and
everybody goes, "Oh my god, it's the
real Barack Obama." So we did that at
dress and that was it.
>> Yeah. He didn't do it to air.
>> We did not do it at air. Thank god. Um,
why do we know why?
>> I do. I mean, I did not have a take on
Barack Obama [screaming] at all. I
didn't have
>> So, you know, I just remember you were
the teen, you were a teeny tiny, very
tall man. Very tall, handsome man.
>> Fun and stressful to be dressed exactly
like the person you're standing next.
>> It is so much fun. And I remember the
first time we saw each other was when we
were about to walk out on stage. So, at
dress rehearsal, there's like a little
little flag there and door that's
supposed to open and I'm there waiting
in my little Brooks Brother suit and I
think we like bound my boobs and I had
um I used to play Scott Joplin and so I
had my Scott Joplin wig on
and I was standing there and then
>> people don't know Maya has the cutest
little tiniest little legs from knee
down
knee down it's like a little
>> little toothick
>> teeny tiny toothpick. Look at those
little legs from knee down. So cute.
[laughter]
[cheering]
>> Stretch [screaming]
and kick.
>> Little two to three.
>> Teeny tiny teeny tiny
>> just from the knee down. [laughter]
>> They're like like breakable. I think
>> I know. They're so little. So you had
your little suit on.
>> My little suit on and it was teeny tiny.
And then he came over and here's the
thing. I didn't it was written then I
didn't have a good impression like I was
sort of like I'm Barack Obama
and um so I was standing there and then
he came over and I said well what do you
think
and all he said to me was I don't wear a
three button suit.
>> Damn.
>> I still don't know what that means. It's
like It's like guy That's like a guy
knowledge thing.
>> Sounds like flirting to me.
>> Just kidding.
>> No, I'm not. I I will take that. I've
I've gotten two two tonight and I'm
taking them home with me. I'm taking
them into the spank bank tonight.
>> And you have a lot of female friends.
>> I do.
>> Great. Like a great number. I count
myself as one of them. women in your
life who are your friend, who you're
deeply
uh uh uh uh tender to and very like you
really like take care of us and you care
about us and you like I mean you're the
only you and Shoemaker are the only men
they're ever allowed even close to a lot
of the SNL women. We gather together as
a group and just recently we let you sit
with us for 30 minutes.
>> Yeah. And then we said,
>> I think it might maybe it was Tina, but
>> Tina said, "Thank you for coming." And
also, "Thank you for leaving."
>> Yeah.
>> Well, on the way there, I said, "Seth,
heads up. We're meeting." And I think
you have about a half an hour window.
And you said, "Fine, I'll take that."
And then we sat down at the steakhouse
>> and you hung. And then Tina said, "And
now it's time to go."
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> It was um Can I point out my favorite
observations about you guys' group?
>> Yes.
You needed a second table
uh for all your jackets
and every one of you had two totes.
>> Yeah.
>> And most of the meal again, I think if
people saw the seven women that were
there, they would be like, "Oh my god,
how funny was it?" And I would say
mostly they were looking through their
totes. [laughter]
At at no point
>> Mhm.
>> were less than two people looking
through a tote for something.
>> Well, yeah, cuz we had put it in the
other tote.
>> Comedy legends.
>> Yeah.
>> Rustling through totes
>> and it was like hand it was a lot of
hand me my tote. And it was like, is
this my tote?
>> Lot of matching totes.
>> Mhm. Yeah. I think we had gotten some
totes.
>> Matching totes and puffy coats is how I
would describe. It was I mean it was the
SNL 50th week and it was very cold.
>> It was.
>> But it
>> also we were all dealing with like a lot
of temperature. So our bodies, you know,
we're of a certain age. We get hot and
cold really fast. So it was a lot of
putting on coats, taking off coats.
[laughter]
>> It was a lot
>> and a lot of like, "Oh my god, I'm so
hot." And then taking the coat off and
then handing it to you to put at the
table.
>> Every coat was louder than the next
coat. Just when you moved the coat.
>> Mhm.
>> It was uh like the sail of a schooner,
[laughter] which are like
very hard to hear any conversation due
to the rustling,
>> which is weird cuz we were shouting at
each other. We do shout at each other
across the table very loudly.
>> Yeah. Also, Paula within Paula Pel
within like 5 seconds had set up a home
office at a third table.
>> She You're right. She went She got a
third table because she had to do some
rewrites during the show. Real time
rewrites on SNL 50th. She was
immediately had like a a laptop and also
like a TV monitor.
>> Yeah.
>> Hooked up.
>> There's also when we all go out, there's
a ton of food panic.
>> Yeah.
>> When are we going to get our food? who
ordered, what should we order, and we
all fall into very specific categories
about like how fast we should order, and
and
>> there was a lot of talk about what you
guys were going to get, and as soon as
uh the server came over, the minute they
spoke, everybody forgot everything that
had been agreed upon.
>> Yeah.
>> And uh Yeah.
>> Cuz it went right back to square one.
>> Yeah. And don't forget, you know, I'm a
woman of a certain age. I need like 85
grams of protein a day. So, we were just
like, "How many stakes do we We need to
get like 40 stakes."
>> They put us in a private room where you
could have a wedding. That's how big it
was.
>> Yeah. They knew what they were dealing
with.
>> And yet, within like 10 minutes, I
thought we might need a second room. The
sprawl.
>> Well, luckily in 10 minutes, we asked
you to leave
>> because it was enough time.
>> It was so
It was so much you that putting on and
taking off code. Sometimes I think of an
SNL sketch just at the table that for
whatever reason stays with me forever.
Do you remember Fred did a sketch once
where he was someone at a dinner party
who kept taking off putting on his
scarf? Yeah.
>> Yes. The longest scarf.
>> A really long scarf. And he kept being
like, "Oh my god, it's so hot." And he
would take it off and it was like he had
to like loop it around his head and he
had a practical scarf and he loop it
around his head like 10 times while
everybody waited. And then he'd start
telling a story. He's like, "Oh my god,
it gets so chilly." And then just
looping
>> [laughter]
>> I think about it all the time. Like,
>> did it make it on air?
>> No. And I But I can't I think about it
all the time.
>> Mhm.
>> Also, uh, Fred, I think Anilda was his
Do you remember his stenographer courts
stenographer character?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> And it was
>> it had a name.
>> I think
>> his court stenographer had a name.
>> I think Ana.
>> Ana,
>> I think. I'm not sure.
>> Okay.
>> Typed like this.
>> Kind of a little bit like this.
>> It was a lot like that. But also
paused the trial a lot to look through
her bag. Mhm.
>> And just would say over and over, "I
can't find my chapstick. [laughter] I
can't find my chapstick." I would say,
"I don't see a scarf without thinking
about the first one." Or hear somebody
say chapstick without thinking about the
second.
>> The uh Fred Armison is like, and we talk
about him all the time on here. Like he
is truly like the funniest of the funny
people. I think [applause]
>> Fred can do these physical things, the
slightest.
>> There is no one funnier than Fred.
>> I agree.
>> This is what Fred said to me at the end
of everyone. Mhm.
>> This is what first of all, well, this is
visual, but every his dressing room is
beside me. So, I would pass his room and
he'd be on his phone. I'd say, "Hey,
Fred." And he go [snorts]
[laughter]
say, "Fred, you're not really asleep."
Oh. Oh, I'm Oh, hi. How long have you
been here? Fred, I just saw you on the
and the other thing he did which she
completely convinced me was true was um
when I left the stage after the good
nights he said why did you call Paul
McCartney Tony McCartney? [laughter]
I said I want what? [laughter]
Yeah. I mean you said oh Tony McCartney.
And because I didn't know Paul was
standing beside me, I thought,
>> "Did I [laughter]
and
>> such a funny joke?"
>> Then I told Bill her this and Bill told
Fred and Fred sent me a text like a
couple days ago. Sorry, I thought you
knew that was a joke. I literally
thought I'd said Tony McCartney. The
stupidest thing in the world.
>> Tony McCartney.
>> Tony McCartney. I wish I said it. Of
course, you know,
>> not knowing Paul's name. Fred used to
send me long texts about his flight
schedule, like when he was arriving,
what airport, what [laughter] time to
get picked up as if I was picking him up
from the airport.
>> He is so deeply funny. He also does a
bit that I love where if you haven't
seen him for a long time at a party and
you go, "Hey, Freddy." Goes, "Hi, how
are you?" [laughter]
>> Like, he pretends you're just a fan
bothering him. He's so funny. He loves a
bit.
>> He does a million of them, too. And
everyone's funny.
>> Yeah.
I mean, that's what's so funny about the
stuff that we do is like nobody
remembers the 10 to one versions of
things that were just stinkers.
>> Always [laughter]
crazy stuff. Stuff where I was mad that
it would get cut and then I would go
back and be like, "Oh my god, this
there's nothing here." [laughter]
Like, I was just running on fumes. Like,
why was I so mad? It was just cuz like
it was literally as much as like I
exist, too. Like, [laughter] I WANT TO
BE ON THE SHOW, TOO. EMILY Spivey and I
wrote a scene one night that we thought
was so funny and it was just about these
two giant um uh like uh trucks like
truck drivers who would come up next to
each other and and keep telling the
other one to honk it.
>> Yes. And it was like, "Honk it, honk
it." And just telling the other one,
"Honk it." And we WERE LIKE, "OH, WE
WERE DYING." And we turned it in like,
you know, 8:45 a.m. And Shoemaker was
like, "We're not doing honk." And
[laughter] we were like, "What?"
>> And we already made t-shirts.
>> He was like, "WE CAN'T WE [laughter]
CAN'T PRODUCE HONK. We can't get two
giant like you know, you know, we can't
get two cabs." And also like you guys,
we have we're like 35 sketches over and
like you turned this in at 8:45 and it's
like and we were like
>> justice for Honket. Like we were still
we were so mad.
>> So just to be clear, you're not going to
let us read Honket. [laughter]
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Noted.
>> Looking forward to having an [laughter]
employer that supports Honkit.
>> [ __ ] noted.
>> Looking forward in the future to working
with someone who understands Honkit and
what it means [laughter] to us.
Oh my god.
>> The thing that made me laugh the hardest
most recently was this clip of Bobby
Moahan from they did these really great
SNL documentaries and it was uh a
documentary about auditioning for SNL
and it was people you were in it, you
were great in it and they talk to people
about the process of auditioning and
then they show them their audition back
and people get emotional. people, you
know, they've never seen it or like, "Oh
my gosh, this is from 50 years ago or
whatever." And they showed they made
Bobby watch his audition back and he's
doing a character that's in his audition
that's just beyond inappropriate.
And he's watching it and he he's
watching it and he goes, "Oh no." And
then he just goes, "Oh, Bobby." And the
the way he says, "Oh, Bobby." The way he
calls himself by name is so gentle and
so it made me laugh so hard. And I I
think it should be the Tik Tok sound
that people play. Like when you have to
you have to see a piece of comedy that
you're like, "Okay, we did we we realize
now that that's not okay." You just show
the content and just hear boar the voice
of Bobby going, "Oh, Bobby." [laughter]
>> And that's how you apologize for
problematic content in the past. You
just put the O Bobby sound over it and
it means I see it. I'm sorry.
>> Mhm.
>> Let's all move forward.
>> I know better now.
>> I know better now.
>> I do better now.
>> I'm an ally who makes mistakes. Oh,
Bobby. Oh, Bobby. Oh, Bobby. That really
made me I couldn't stop watching it.
[laughter]
>> You can make that. Get that audio. You
should trademark that audio and get make
merch.
>> Well, you could have been a cast member.
>> No, I don't think I could. I don't think
I could handle it week in and week out.
>> 100% disagree.
>> Once every 20 years is more my speed for
that gig.
But you could have I mean did you ever
audition or want to audition because you
were
>> I did want to audition but then I didn't
audition. I had an idea in mind that I
never went and followed through with.
But um
>> you had What do you mean you had an
idea?
>> Well, I had I don't want to repeat it
cuz now it really sounds stupid in my
mind. But my audition was going to be
basically
I was going to be a a superhero that I
created. I don't remember what it was
called but it was like a combination of
the Hulk and maybe it was just the Hulk.
It was uh I was going to come in as the
Hulk and just jump around and do like
this weird slow motion kind of
performance art dance where I would
crush things with my foot and then do
like a mimed the earth is cracking.
It was not I was not going to get in and
I knew that.
>> But I had practiced it in the mirror in
my living room a few times
>> but I never pulled the trigger.
>> You didn't?
>> No.
>> How come? Like did you get an audition
and you just didn't do it or you like
it's I'm I'm fascinated by because also
I'm interested in that story because
that is a little bit of sabotage.
>> Yeah.
>> Maybe there was a party that didn't want
to be on it.
>> Well, that's the constant uh uh battle
is the fear of failure.
>> Totally.
>> Sometimes you're up for the battle and
sometimes you're just like uh pass.
>> Um okay. Do you remember um uh Boys
Night Out?
>> Yes. Do you remember
>> the sketch that didn't make it on SNL
when I was there with you?
>> Yes. Emily Spivey and I wrote a sketch
called Boys Night Out and it was Jack
waiting for the boys to arrive and he
they never showed up and just kept
ordering more wings. But there was a
song. Do you remember the song to it?
>> Boys Night Out.
Boys Night Out. Now we're really rocking
and the chicks are all squacking CUZ I'M
TALKING ABOUT A BOY.
You never forget a song like that. Thank
you so much. That's all I needed to
hear.
>> Do you remember the first scene on SNL
that like you got were getting laughs
and you thought like it's working? Like
that felt like [laughter] no. Um
um gosh, I don't remember the first cuz
I remember the first few times I got on
like I wasn't even I like left my body.
So I don't remember like this is going
really well. I was just like I'm on like
that kind of thing. Yeah. Um [laughter]
>> well the first very first show I wasn't
in like the you know season premiere
whatever and like you've told all your
friends like I'm on and like everyone's
watching it your scene gets cut like it
does and then the next week the same
thing happened. Scene got cut. So it was
like the third week.
>> Who was the host? Do you remember?
>> The one that I got on was uh I should
know this. Oh my god. Well I know the
first one was Jerry Seinfeld. Then it
was Nor McDonald and then it was
and does not compute. Oh my god. I don't
>> know. It's funny. The brain remembers
trauma. So you [laughter] remember the
two shows that you were on.
>> Dana Carvey. I don't going to have to
go.
>> They're going to do those three guys in
a row. Let's What year was it, Die?
>> It was 1999. Third episode.
>> Okay. This will be a fun game.
>> Dana Carvey.
>> Okay. I'm going to And I'm going to have
you guess the musical guest because
that's always fun, too.
>> Oh my god. So 1999 I don't remember
anything. No 1999 SNL
>> hosts. And don't worry, we're going to
keep all.
>> Let me tell you one cool thing though.
Let me tell [laughter]
I just heard that. Wait, let me tell you
one cool thing though.
>> Please. The [laughter]
Please. Um, the very first musical guest
was David Bowie. And when I was I've
told this before, but when I was getting
my photo taken for like the very first
opening credits, like it was on the
stage, you know, like in 8H and David
Bowie was it was Thursday. He was
rehearsing with the band. So like I'm
getting my picture taken and he's right
over there singing Rebel Rebel. I mean,
I have chills every time I think about
that because that was just like
I mean, I don't even have words for like
the surrealness that
>> that's a very that's a to have a
soundtrack of that moment for your life
and it's David Bowie playing
>> David Bowie icon. Yeah. So, I remember
that.
>> Should we tell the Black Crow story?
>> So, one time So, I don't do drugs at
all. [laughter]
[laughter]
So, and then one time the Black Crows
were the musical guest [laughter] and um
someone in the Instagram came up to me.
He's like, "Hey, do you want
That's my drug offer voice. Hey, do you
want
um whatever you call it, joint?"
>> Not a joint, but just like a hit off a
joint. I see.
>> And I was I don't know. I' I tried it a
couple times. It's never really worked.
I've never really dug it. And then I was
like, "Okay, sure." So, I took like one
puff off of this Black Crows. Am I going
to get sued? The Black Crows pot
[laughter]
>> the Black Crows pot.
>> I took a hit off the Black Crows pot and
my my cousin was visiting me, my cousin
Zach, and
>> [laughter]
>> um I came back to the table and I was
like, "Oh, I guess this is like I'm
really high right now." And I was so
embarrassed cuz like it was my little
cousin [laughter]
And I never ever ever
>> get high. And then I came back and I was
kind of like [laughter]
>> I don't really remember if I told him or
not.
>> You Oh, he didn't. He might not even
know.
>> I don't even know. But um that was my
one like
>> I remember you telling me you couldn't
get up from your chair.
>> Oh, I don't remember that. But it's
possible. It's possible.
>> You were kind of stuck.
>> I was just like really like Anyway, and
that's why I don't do drugs. [laughter]
I mean,
>> no, I'm just not into that feeling, I
guess. But
>> no, you're not into that.
>> Only if it's from the Black Crows and
Ben. Yes. Chris Chris Robinson. Call me.
Call me. [laughter]
Um, and then when you were at SNL, like
I feel like we got it. I I was thinking
today about all the stuff we got to do
together, and we got to do a lot of dumb
>> so fun.
>> So fun stuff. Oh my gosh. And but you
know, and I was thinking it was like I I
mean, in many ways, I wish we had I I
wish we had more time together when I
was more experienced there because I was
new and kind of stressed and I felt like
I loosened up more and figured out how
to like just have more fun as as I got
older there.
>> Um,
>> but we did get to do some fun stuff
together.
>> First of all, you were in the original
Debbie Downer and that was so fun. I
mean, just to be laughing there with
you.
>> Well, you bring this up and you know, I
ask this question to people on this
podcast and I truly feel like it is
because of Debbie Downer that I asked
this question. Again, I owe you a lot of
money and thank you [laughter] for thank
you for building this podcast with me.
Um, but Debbie Downer, I've said it many
times before, was and is the thing that
I go to um
>> uh also maybe now replaced by the clip
the clip of this podcast. I watch the
clip a lot of times and I just wanted to
clarify I don't go like watch my work
like I don't go watch like a movie I did
cuz like I just like to have it in my
head but that it's like I said it was
like
>> seeing your biggest crackup.
>> Yes.
>> And just like I I have to laugh every
time I watch it.
>> Me too. And Debbie Downer was like that
for me during very dark times because it
was the combination of
>> us all having fun. you [clears throat]
your
like the way in which you were
physically trying to hold it together
like the way like the laugh was like um
something you were trying to hold in
combined with the zoom
>> zoom in
[laughter]
>> and the sound effect
>> and we've watched it so many times like
Emily's knows every single like this is
the part where your lip starts quivering
because there's one part where at the
very beginning I'm going g [laughter]
and then there's This is the part where
you something falls backstage. I look
away, my eyes start over there like we
know every single moment.
>> It is. It's like the Zruder film
[laughter] like frame by frame and it
proves it just it got me. It's such a
serotonin boost.
>> Before we move on, talk to us about the
like who did you write Debbie Downer
with and how did it start?
>> Like the origin of it.
>> Yes. The origin of people will want to
know. So, um, well, it really started
because I went on a vacation by myself.
[laughter]
So, it had been suggested to me BY A
THERAPIST, [laughter]
AND I OFTEN LEAVE THAT DETAIL OUT, BUT
SINCE I'M ON THIS one-on-one Amy
[laughter] interview, no, I've said it
like once or twice, but usually I leave
that part out for the masses. But, um,
no, uh, not like this. [laughter]
This number one podcast masses. Um, but
no, she was she just like she kept
saying like take a trip by yourself and
I was like why? Like I don't want to do
that. I could go with friends. Like I
don't want and I just kind of took it as
like doctor's orders. Like I just sort
of like I'm doing this and I like
self-propelled myself to the jungles of
Costa Rica. [laughter]
No, but I wanted to pick somewhere that
it wasn't going to be like honeymooners
and like I wanted to pick somewhere that
was like just like I don't know.
somewhere kind of remote, I guess. So,
it was like very remote. It was in the
Osa Peninsula. You had to take like the
big plane, then you take the smaller
plane, then you take the twohour jeep
drive. I mean, I was going deep out of
society [laughter]
and each time they were like it was like
Barbara Potty one.
>> Well, no. So, I picked this it was like
this eco lodge thing. So I went there
and um and then it was just like a it
was so there was like these communal it
wasn't like a lot of people there and it
was actually really cool like and I did
meet really cool people and um I met
these two sisters that like at like they
were older but they're like my age right
now but um I mean the age I'm now and
they were sort of like they sort of told
me like the rudimentary
u fundamentals of what is later known as
the secret like did you did I tell you
when I was on this
>> people should know Dr. knew the secret
before anyone knew.
>> So when I and I learned it from the
jungles of Costa Rica from two white
ladies that were from Colorado, but
anyway, so so so they like they were
just weird, you know, cuz you're like
chatting and and I got to say like hats
off to the suggestion cuz I never would
have talked to strangers if I was with a
friend, right? You know, so I'm like
having this conversation and these women
were telling me about like, you know,
basically like what's the law of
attraction, I guess. But they put it
like you know if you if you think on
positive things positive and if you're
if you're focusing on lack you'll
attract lack basically. But then it
almost like the whole thing got like
sealed because then we were on this like
you know you could do like nature walks
or whatever and we were on this like
walk on the beach like with the little
like it wasn't like a group. It was like
whoever's here and wants to go this
thing and um this woman was saying like
there were these like beautiful birds
overhead these like scarlet macaw and
this like way up in the sky and this
woman goes I I want a feather to bring
home for my daughter and I swear like
[snorts] 20 seconds later from like
[laughter]
way way up high this feather starts to
just go and it falls down. We all like
kind of see it like and it lands like
right at her feet.
>> Whoa.
>> Amy doesn't believe in any of this
stuff.
>> I do. I
>> Okay. No, that that's cool. That's cool.
But I have been manifesting.
>> That was cool though. So then I was just
like sold. I'll join your cult.
[laughter] No, but
>> No, but then that Okay, this isn't
anything about Debbie Donner. This is
just other stuff on that trip. But
anyway, but then the Debbie Dunner story
is that when later it was like sitting
at dinner like you're with randos that
are there and um people just making
chitchat and someone said like where are
you from and I said New York and then
they said like oh were you there for 911
[laughter]
and it was like 3 years after 911. It
wasn't like it just happened. It was
kind of out of and then I was kind of
like uh Yeah. And then like it's kind of
like just like in Debbie Down, you had
to like get the conversation back
because it was like vacation times,
>> right?
>> And then like about a week later after I
got home, I was like out listening to
some band, which isn't something I
usually do, but I think that's kind of
interesting because like doing something
you don't usually do and then your brain
is kind of like I don't know, you're not
on your usual channels, I guess. But
then I just had that idea of this kind
of based on that like so like the Debbie
Downer popped into my head of like
>> yes and then which this is kind of just
talking creativity I found at SNL you
couldn't just go in there and like okay
let's think of a scene like it had to be
like moments like that like
>> and to me that only happened like once
or twice a year which is why like you
might sit there at home be like why
isn't there like like SNL man but it's
like thinking of really original
characters that kind of like hit on
something. It's not something you can
>> like steer the ship on. Like to me, like
it has to like
>> vibe out with you. I don't know.
>> Yes. You have to be like you have to to
your point, you have to like keep the
channel open and be like find the muse
and like let it find you. It just can't
be like turned out.
>> Exactly. And how
>> so then I then I took it to Paula Pel
who we wrote with often and is hilarious
and everyone knows Paula now because I
love Paula's like out there more in
front of the camera but um but anyway
and then we were on writing night we
were trying to write it. We set it in an
office and it just kind of wasn't really
flowing. We it just wasn't really jing
and then we were like maybe we need to
put her somewhere really happy. So then
we thought of Disney World of course
happiest place on earth. And then and
then while we were writing it like when
like of course Paula was cracking me up
with these oneliners and everything and
then we started just going like like
just for ourselves and then we were like
what if we put that in the scene with
actual trombone sound. So then for read
through we had I don't remember if we
had like the live person or someone just
had done it but then at read through
like it killed but then you never know
cuz sometimes something can kill at the
table. And then when we were in dress
rehearsal, Jamie and Horatio were kind
of laughing and I was thinking like you
guys like I feel like this could work
like
>> keep it together guys. And then like on
air I just flubbed one of the lines and
then I don't even know. I guess I was
like so nervous.
>> Sure. And then
>> but you were on you but thankfully you
just like like the good Pisces fish like
you just like you went along for the
like it was it's so joyous watching it
because it is just the com it's like
what real live TV is supposed to feel
like.
Okay. Well, you've talked about this and
I've heard you talk about it and really
made me laugh. your for the first sketch
you were in at SNL.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Was
>> when uh you right
>> Yeah.
>> were pregnant in the butt. [laughter]
>> My character was pregnant.
>> Your character.
>> But it was it's funny because back it up
even to like my first pitch cuz that was
JB Smooth,
>> right? The great performer JB Smooth.
>> The great everything but the best
pitcher.
>> Incredible. And he pitched this thing
where you were pregnant in the butt and
everyone was laughing and I didn't know
that like he's the he just does like
funny pitches,
>> right?
>> And he wrote it.
>> I think and he often he [laughter] often
JB I think you often pitch stuff that
maybe you weren't going to write.
>> Yes. You know what I mean?
>> I always pitch stuff I wasn't going to
write.
>> That was kind of the thing on Monday
night you would be like um and you just
kind of [ __ ] your way to get a laugh
>> and then you'd be like okay and now I
really have to buckle down. But I think
because the response was so funny JB was
like I should I got to [laughter] write
this. That's the other thing. and you're
like, I wasn't really going to write
that thing.
>> Yeah,
>> it was my very first sketch. [laughter]
>> Jason Lee. Jason Lee was a
>> Foo Fighters.
>> Yes. Fighters.
>> Fighters. I did say that. [laughter]
Foo Fighters.
>> I'm so happy that was my first sketch.
>> That was your first sketch. And do you
remember the first like I mean the first
character you have so many, but do you
remember the first one that was a
recurring that you thought was it Target
lady? like where you felt like, oh, I'm
going to get to do this again. Like I
have some kind of
>> I don't know.
>> I know. It might was it A-holes with
Sedakus?
>> It might. It was either A-holes or
Target Lady. Yeah.
>> I mean, for people who don't remember,
um, you know, Kristen has done so many
characters. I mean, we could talk about
them all day, but there was a there was
Target Lady who was of course very very
excited about things getting improved
>> and had an incredible haircut. Great
wigs.
>> Thank you. Um, incredible wig. And then
another great wig and another character
was A-holes, which is Sedakus, Jason
Sedakus. And you and you guys were kind
of like
>> just like the worst people to show up
anywhere.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And you did [clears throat] a
great move where you would play with
your hair and chew gum. [laughter]
>> Real simple.
>> There's so many funny characters that I
want to talk about, but I won't I won't
embarrass you by going through them. But
I've said this to you before. My
favorite character is the surprise lady.
Thanks. That's one of my favorites. I
love her. I I love her for a million
reasons. I love her because the the the
the way you play her is so funny. I love
her wig. Fantastic wig. Always in a
turtleneck.
>> Always. [laughter]
>> Well, she had to hide in it.
>> She had to hide in it. That's right.
That's right. Did you Did you write
>> it was in the script that we like that
we pulled it over? Yes. [laughter]
And when I when I say that was one of my
favorites that comes from doing it.
Yeah. Like I
[snorts]
>> I like being I like being in a sketch
where
there's a lot of people and there are
moments where everyone is looking around
like what is going on? I love that
moment. I love a cut to Kenan just
[laughter]
>> like we got to get out of here. Like
this lady is nuts. I that's my favorite
thing.
>> That actually would be a really good way
to sum up a lot of your characters.
>> Oh yeah. Most of my sketches if you go
back and look [laughter] like No, you
got to cut to people being weirded out
by me to remind the audience that. But
why I love the surprise lady so much is
because there's a lot of wig in it, I
think, because
>> she is
>> nervous but excited
>> and she loves a party
>> and she cannot wait to deliver that good
news. She can't wait. And the
physicality of her and the way
[laughter] so funny. God, I just watch
clips of it all the time.
I love it so much. It's so funny and
stupid.
>> Yep.
>> Funny and stupid.
>> Yes. Which is the best.
>> Which we know is the highest praise in
comedy.
>> Agree. Like the the more people go.
>> Oh, that's so dumb.
>> Dumb. And you're like, "Yay, I
[laughter] DID IT."
FOR PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T see the the SNL
50th music special, which was amazing,
you there was like sketches in between
acts
>> and a lot of musical sketches and Bobby
and Marty came out and
>> crushed.
>> That was not an easy audience. It was an
audience of truly every single person
was either performing or a performer or
like it was a cynical audience.
>> Yeah.
>> You guys crushed What was that feeling
to do that that night?
>> It was so fun for lack of a better word.
Like it was so
>> for there was something, you know, as we
go back to these reunions and you bring
all of your kind of history and baggage
and whatever with you.
>> Um,
>> again, kind of speaking to your point of
the fact that this is all just so
embarrassing because first of all, like
it's Radio City Music Hall. It's 6,000
seats. I mean, it's it's a huge epic
space.
>> Yeah,
>> we followed Lauren Hill.
>> Sure.
>> That's who you want to follow.
>> So, you have to understand that in the
wings, there are like thousands of cool
music people. I mean, like I my dressing
room is next to Jack White and his band
and I'm dressed as Bobby Mohan Culp.
Okay. I've got the giant glasses and my
like striped dress and Will's got his
bald paint and his you know we
rehearsing in the keyboard. So already
we're like the losers in the wings. Do
you know what I mean?
>> Oh yeah. I mean the winners for me but
>> it was it was fantastic.
>> I mean actually you're like you got the
violin and you've got the eye patch
>> 100%. And so we're already just like
what is happening? What is happening?
Why are we here? And who invited us? you
know, and then we just started to giggle
cuz we we it was so cute cuz we doing
the sketch and doing this like we just
it was very easy to imagine how excited
[laughter]
>> Bobby and Marty would have been
>> the people would have been to be at
Radio City.
>> And what was it like back what was it
like back then? Did you see Jack White?
Who else are you seeing?
>> I mean mayhem like posies and people
with like you know music people. So,
they got like big cool hair and glasses
AND FUR LIKE LAUREN Hills has a fur coat
and an afro and like everybody's got
like floral pants that come up to here
and there's posies and you know weed
everywhere you know Chris Martins's in
the corner like cool people actual cool
people who just looked right past us
like they were [laughter] they were they
did not know that we used to be on
Saturday Night Live they were JUST LIKE
WHO BROUGHT GRANNY AND Gramps like just
right past us.
>> That actually probably was fun. It was
so fun. And then going and then we like,
you know, going out there and that all
that stuff just suddenly worked. So,
>> you're right. And now that I'm
remembering, Lauren Hill had had a
surprise. Incredible performance.
>> Insane. And then [laughter]
there's like smoke and it was like
[clears throat]
>> test test and you guys crush. And that's
what I mean as
>> I did. I knew it was streaming and I
also knew I mean it was really funny
because we were like they just and all
of their stuff was about how they'd come
to New York for an opthalmology
appointment, you know, did they were
just lucky to slip in and just
everything about it was so fun. And so
we're sitting there and uh yeah and I
did have the feeling I was like this is
streaming because one thing about SNL
for me again I don't know if you ever
had this but it's a little bit of an A
student girl you know nerd girl thing. I
was always my greatest regret about this
show, not that you would go back in
time, is that I could I never like
settled into it and enjoyed it cuz I was
always so aware of the time
>> and of running somebody running down the
clock, somebody else's sketch is going
to get cut. Like I was always and when
we were there, it was such a,
>> you know, like explosive surfate of of
talent that there were always three
sketches a night that might not make it,
you know. So I always felt like I had to
like keep it moving, keep it moving. So,
I was suddenly very aware that it was
streaming
>> and that I was not gonna be rushed
>> and I was like, I'm gonna be Bobby Mo.
The funniest thing in the world to me is
this woman and this man, these these
choir teachers getting people to settle
>> cuz [laughter] there was just nothing
funnier than high school. And they just
kept telling people to settle.
>> I need you to settle. [laughter]
I need quiet in the back. Hand goes up,
mouth goes shut. Hand goes up, mouth
goes shut. Just this idea. And I was
like, I'm going to keep going until they
settle. I'm not going to worry about it.
And if I had been at 8H, we never would
have done that.
>> Right. Very good point.
>> We just we took a full probably 45
seconds to, you know, get people to pipe
it. David Spade pipe down.
>> That's right. You guys called him out by
>> I don't want to hear it. Pierce Broman.
[laughter]
So stupid.
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