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Hi everyone, welcome to another episode

of Good Hang. I am so excited about this

episode. It is the great Rachel Drach,

my friend for almost 30 years and uh

America's favorite. And we are going to

talk about so much good stuff. We're

going to talk about growing up in

Massachusetts. We're going to talk about

the uh our love for the musical Annie.

And we're going to go behind the music

and uh do a deep dive into the world

famous clip that kicked this podcast

off. and that has kept us laughing ever

since. So, um, get ready for a great

interview. Um, before we start, we

always like to talk to someone who knows

our guest, is a fan of our guest, has a

question that they want to give me. And

I'm very excited to, um, talk to Kevin

Kahun today. Kevin is a dear friend of

Rachel. He is an incredible actor, um,

musical theater pro, um, Tony nominated

for the great musical Shucked, and you

can catch him in a million other things.

And Kevin is um zooming in to get things

started. Kevin, hi.

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>> Hi. I feel so lucky.

>> I feel so lucky.

>> I'm the luckiest.

I get to see you on this Tuesday.

>> I know. I wish we were having margaritas

with Dra.

>> Hey, listen. Wouldn't that be great?

That's a good hang right there.

>> That is for listeners. Um I've had a few

margaritas with Kevin and Dr. Pre-show,

postshow, cuz both of you were on

Broadway. Well, listen. Anytime I can

hang out with you,

>> how are you?

>> I'm so great. How are you?

>> Where are we talking to you from?

>> I am in Texas at my mom's place, rural

Texas, outside of Houston. It's a sunny

day. We've had four days of torrential

rain. Um, and I'm dealing with these

wild hogs. I know this is crazy, but

they're wild feral hogs that show up in

the middle of the night and they tear up

your property. They travel in packs of

30. And I've set up alarms all around

and I think they're working. But last

night we had a few come and um the

alarms went off in the middle of the

night which there's nothing more

terrifying. Um and I'm good with animals

and I grew up with a lot of animals and

I'm fine with animals. Not these

animals.

>> Not a fan.

>> It's worth a Google if anyone wants to

Google Texas wild feral hogs.

Well, I mean the the the thing that I'm

was so excited to talk to you about

today is that you um like many of us

deeply love our guest Rachel

>> Beyond.

>> Tell me tell me how you two first met.

>> We met doing a musical called Minsky's

in LA written by Charles Strauss and

Susan Burkenhead and Bob Martin. It was

coming to Broadway, a star-studded cast,

and it closed in LA, which is, you know,

the the great showbiz tale. But what you

take away from experiences like that are

the people, and you usually have one or

two from each show. And um I fell in

love with RA immediately. What's not to

fall in love with? Um and she had told

me she had gone to a psychic that I

think you had bought her this psychic

reading for her birthday. That's right.

I should talk to her about that because

if she's open to it because her and I

both went to the same psychic at the

same time when we were both pregnant.

>> Yes, that's right. And she had gone to

we had before the show we would go I

would go to her dressing room and we

would have a day catch up. What'd you do

today? Who'd you see? Where'd you lunch?

Um and she had said I went to this

psychic and the psychic told me that our

show was going to close out of town. And

we were like they're crazy. That'll

never happen. We're moving into the St.

James Theater. Well, the psychic was

right. But anyway, it that was probably

15, 16, 17 years ago, and it has just

been the most nourishing, fulfilling,

steadfast

friendship that I could have ever, ever

imagined. And then I've gotten to have

new friends like you that I have met

through RA. And you know that they're a

good friend when you meet their friends

and those friends become your friends as

well. So, it um it's just been the most

rewarding friendship I could have ever

imagined.

>> I hear you. I feel the same. I feel like

there's a few friends that and it's

proven to be true now that Rachel and I

have been friends for almost 30 years.

There's a few people that, you know, in

in success and in quote failure, in good

times and in bad times, they're going to

weather that storm with you. And that's

not always the case with everyone.

Sometimes people are better when things

are going badly, right? They're like

they like that. And sometimes people

want to hear when you're succeeding.

That's what they when they want to be

along for the ride. But Rachel Drach

definitely is there for both if you're

lucky enough to have her as your friend.

>> That is so true. And she's a wonderful

giftgiver. She never forgets an occasion

where she's going to bring you a little

something. You know, I did a Broadway

show that ran nine months and she was

there opening night, she was there

closing night, she was there in between.

She came again, she brought friends.

It's just she is a cheerleader for those

that she loves. She is a champion. Um

she'll go to bat. She's just life is a

little brighter when Ra is around.

>> Cocoon, let's talk about Shucked, which

is the show you're talking about. That's

true. Yes.

>> I loved you in it and loved that show so

much.

>> You were so dear to come. So, it meant

the world to me. And let me tell you

what, Amy Polar, you're one of those

friends because not only did you come to

Shuck, I did a production of Lasha Fall

in the fall. You came to Lasha.

>> You are there. I mean, you're, you know,

you birds of a feather fly together. You

guys are just exemplary friends.

>> Oh, friend. Thank you for saying that.

That means a lot. And I love I mean,

it's not hard work to go to a really fun

show and watch you. Before we get to

your question, I do want to I'm going to

talk to Drach a little bit about her her

Tony nom and her show PUS and how I mean

because I know from being her friend,

how how positive an experience that was

for her. like great women that she

became really good friends with, a Tony

nom, a hilarious part. Um, do you

remember that time and what she said

about that experience when she was

working on that show?

>> Well, here's the incredible thing and

it's so rare. She got a Tony nomination

for her Broadway debut.

>> Damn.

>> Never happens. That is like remarkable.

And I've seen Rachel on stage so many

times at the public. Shakespeare in the

Park, Manhattan Theater Club,

she is always the standout. And when you

do a Broadway show, whether you want to

admit it or not, there's always a part

of you that thinks maybe, just maybe,

that childhood dream would come true.

That show that I watch once a year in

June, maybe I could be a part of that

show. And then when it happens, it is

just it's the most uh it's the biggest

embrace you could ever imagine from a

community that you've always wanted to

be a part of. And you know, a lot of

people probably um know Rachel from

television and from film, but her

theater career is just as sparkling and

just as dynamic and diverse as um her

impact on TV and film.

>> Yeah. She's played so many different

types of characters. It's actually a

good question. She's played like men and

dogs and people and like mothers and

robots and whatever. She will she can do

it all.

>> She can do everything. That's why you

hire Rachel D, you know.

>> It's so true.

>> It's so true. Um we should all be as

versatile as Rachel Drach, you know.

>> Okay, so Kev, what do you think? I mean,

I could talk to Dr. and will probably

today forever about so many things. The

past, the present, the future. Anything

you think I should ask her today?

>> Yes. Um, it was hard to pick one

question. I have two that I think are uh

sparkly. One is about the theater

because I feel like a lot of people

don't realize that Rachel D was a

theater kid and she went to theater camp

and her dream and ambition was to be in

plays and in musicals. and then her

career took a brilliant detour. Um, I

would ask her, little Rachel Drash going

to theater camp, what were her three

beacons of light in the American

theater? A musical, a performer. Who was

it that filled her with I want to do

that. That's what I want to be when I

grow up.

>> Such a good question.

>> That was the one question. And then this

is something that inspires me about

Rachel.

She brought us all Debbie Downer, one of

the most iconic American comedic

characters.

When Rachel DR is thinking about feline

AIDS and North Korean train accidents

and insurrection,

what is that catalyst that gets her out

of her doom and gloom and brings her

back to reality? That would be another

question.

>> Debbie would want me to point out that

it is good that you brought up feline

AIDS because it is the number one killer

of domestic cats.

>> Well, that's true. Listen, we've talked

about feral hogs and feline AIDS. What's

next, baby?

Texas, baby. Um, these are such good

questions, Kevin. And she I don't think

she knows that I'm talking to you today.

>> I did not tell her.

>> Okay, good. I didn't tell her either.

>> We even had a little We had a little

Kiki yesterday and I was zipped lipped.

So,

>> oh my god, I'm so happy because she's

going to be so happy. These are really

good questions. And

I think nobody loves a a good question

more than Dra. Like, if you ask Dra a

good question, she's like, "THAT'S SUCH

A GOOD QUESTION. She will say that. I

guarantee you that's

>> and I had told Blake Lee who was on

who's a dear mutual friend of ours who

was on for um I told him not five days

ago Amy I was like you were so

incredible on Amy's podcast. It's so

fabulous that you were on there. It is

so chic. What a cool thing. I'm so proud

of you. And then my phone dinged and it

was you and

>> it just I can't thank you enough. Are

you kidding me? Thank you.

>> Thank you for taking a break from

fighting the hogs. And

>> and if you know if you are eventually

eaten by them, just know that our time

together was so special to me.

>> It was. And I cherish every single

minute.

>> All right. I can't wait to see you in

New York, friend.

>> I love you so much.

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>> Rachel Dr is here.

>> Are we starting? Is it official?

>> Yeah. And we need to talk about Wait,

what?

>> I want to do a podcast. I just need

>> What do you got?

>> Let's get started here. I'll get this.

>> Pulling out the world famous.

You've seen it. You've seen them before.

THIS THIS IS MY NEW TRADEMARK,

EVERYBODY.

>> Smithsonian

Smithsonian.

>> Academy of TV.

>> This is my By the way, I didn't I didn't

tangle this. This is how it came out

where I was storing it. This is the

>> These are the in their natural state.

World famous Rachel DR headphones. It

was shot fired around the world. These

headphones is where it all began. The

chaos

beginning.

>> Oh my. Now look at that. Now,

>> now that I'm with Amy,

>> everything's all right.

>> Okay, we don't even use these, but I had

to bring those up.

>> God, Dr. Historical item. Okay,

>> of course, DR brings a prop.

>> Brings the prop from home. For people

that didn't see our first episode of

Good Hang, Drach was in the group that

was talking about our guest, Tina Fay.

And boy, did we have a good laugh.

>> Oh my god, that was like probably my

biggest laugh of the year. I just

watched it again on the way over here

and um we're going to get into it today.

The

>> Of course we are. People need to hear

the behind the music.

Where were you when

>> Where were you when you saw the clip?

>> I mean I owe you money for that clip. I

owe you money for that clip. But it

really was like it started off the

entire vibe of this show. Like I'm so

grateful for it cuz it started off

exactly what I was hoping which is I was

hoping that this would be like fun and

easy and a laugh and that was the

deepest laugh.

It was such a good laugh.

>> Like I mean imagine like your best laugh

ever and then it's and then it's like

recorded for you to watch again. Like

that that never happens because you

can't plan that.

>> No. No. And also having Fred and Seth

and Zarna there and there's really no

better I would say like partner than

Seth when DR is draing because he's so

good at keeping like like things moving

in a way or something like

>> he was making me laugh so much so hard

>> when he's like Dret we're probably going

to cut all this out and then when I was

like I'm holding everything up and he's

like no this is how she wanted to start

like

he was the perfect foil,

a comedy foil.

>> Also, the thing that gets me, which is

such a like improv and such a good

example of what a good listener you are,

is that at the very end you clap, which

is what we asked you to do 15 minutes

before to get started. God, that clap.

>> End it with the beginning, people.

>> Let's just comedy 101.

>> Okay.

>> Second prop use of this podcast is

stretch swirling her ice drink.

Okay.

No, but it is like that. I I have to say

when I was thinking about what to talk

about today, I was like we have had

deep laughs.

>> We have.

>> It's like the heart and you love you

love to laugh and the way Dr. Dash has

many kinds of laughs

and you have like I I know people have

done your laugh to you.

>> Oh yeah. You go.

>> Also, when you go into like a level two

laugh, when you're going down deep, you

go

like you get very old school.

>> Oh my gosh.

>> Wait, I just need to say though that

when that was happening that I didn't

know that was going to be used for on

camera,

>> which I didn't tell you.

>> You did not tell me. I looked back at

the text and I'm very sorry.

>> No, no, I don't mean that. I mean it was

the best thing ever. But I just mean for

people wondering like why'd she order

food right when I was there was my

podcast like

>> we could argue still with audio. Why did

you

>> Well, cuz I thought it was like a half

hour of time.

>> True.

>> And then it came very quickly

>> and then my dog barked

>> and then and your dog's name and then my

dog's name is Ruffles

>> and Ruffles started barking. Anyway,

sorry. Go ahead.

>> Do you remember I think we talked about

it. There was a hilarious whoever is the

Tik Tocker who did this. Somebody

posted. There were many clips of it and

then someone went and looked at your

chart.

>> Yes. My my horoscope. Whatever. Zodiac.

Well, so I'm What's a Pisces? I I didn't

know this word. Stellium means all your

things are in the same sign like every

single thing. But I guess there's one

little thing. But this woman, she did my

chart on TikTok and she was laughing

really hard. She's like, "How is this

woman surviving with everything in

Pisces?" She like she's she's somehow

she's making it work. But then I guess

there's like one thing in Capricorn. She

goes this Capricorn is holding the whole

rest of it all together. It's doing the

work of you know 10,000 men or

something. And that kind of

>> Pisces final boss. Yes. And I have

wondered if I other people were talking

about a ADHD I guess and I have wondered

if I have that as an adult. I don't

know.

>> But that if you look at that clip you're

going to be like yep. I feel like it's

like pis I mean we we talk about it like

in you know the Pisces being a

shortorthhand for

>> like you know it's in its best

>> chaos

I'm saying that's what I'm saying but

we're opposite

signs

>> Amy's Virgo by the way I don't know much

about signs but I just know about this I

just know about this

>> I don't know I I do like astrology I

think it's cool we like astrology we

like an enagram we like anything that

like is about personality stuff but

what's fun about talking about

>> Pisces in Virgo is Pisces are kind of

the fish that are floating through life

and Virgo is the virgin setting the

rules. I don't know. And um but I find

like we do do I mean I I I feel like you

do definitely have a dreamlike approach

and a adventurous approach to life.

>> I would say that. Yes.

>> Yes. I think you are like a curious

traveler

>> and and you definitely don't um

>> feel shy.

>> Shy

shy.

>> She got shy.

>> Did you see what happened? The curious

traveler.

>> I'm trying to be myself.

>> I can't see. Dash just It was like a

cloud. A shy cloud came over.

>> But you are kind of shy.

>> I am shy. Yes. It goes without saying,

we've been friends for 30 years. We are

often mistaken for being the same person

or like just the other day someone we

were in the a public bathroom and

someone's like, "I saw your sister in

the bathroom." Like they think we're

sisters.

>> But you and I did do definitely have

like if if life was like a romcom like

we would be like growing up next to each

other.

>> So

>> walking by each other in the mall

probably.

>> So talk to people who don't know your

like early Dra. Where did she grow up?

What was her life? Early Dr. uh grew up

in Lexon, Massachusetts, next town over

from Amy, but we didn't know each other.

Although if well we did work in the same

ice cream store, which we always have to

say called Chadwick. And if you don't

know that, I know you've been living

under a rock. But anyway, um but yeah,

grew up in Lexon and uh I don't know. I

was I was shy when I was little, but I

was always I mean I watched SNL when I

was in third grade at someone else's

house at a sleepover like their older

brother was watching it and I was

immediately like what is this? But I

definitely was I mean I don't know about

you either. I don't I wasn't like I'm

going to be an actor when I grow at all.

It was just for fun. Knew that was a job

really. Yeah.

>> It was sort of like maybe a little dream

with like when I saw Annie you know the

musical. I'm like how are they up there?

Where where do I get one of those

buckets? You know like

>> Annie Annie is there should be a

documentary about women our age and how

we were affected by Annie.

>> Yeah. So, um, but yeah, and then I did

school plays, but I definitely was not

like the queen of the drama club, you

know? I just did it for fun.

>> You did get a superlative, though, and

it was

>> I did I got class clown.

>> Did you get class or did you guys do

those two?

>> We had class clown, but I didn't get it.

>> What? I'd like to know who did

>> I I was the second runner up for most

casual.

>> You know, I most casual. It's like, what

did that even mean?

>> I don't know if it's in manner or dress,

but didn't even get close. just super

>> kind of casual

>> class clown but um then let's see I

don't know I then

>> uh oh and then also well my dad was very

funny as you know Paul D

>> Paul D um and uh so we just kind of had

like you know he would do like kind of

oh this is funny I I ran into someone um

whose dad had gone to high school with

my dad back when I was in high school

you know we were at the house and then

she said oh my dad said your dad used

always do impressions of the teachers

when they left the room and have

everyone laughing cuz he was doing Yeah.

So like I I just sort of had that it was

in my blood. No, but I mean it was sort

of like in the atmosphere. And then

>> but you did school plays. I mean getting

class clown you got to be funny in real

>> I guess like in junior high I started to

kind of like pipe up oneliners from the

back of the room kind of thing. But um

much to the chagrin of teachers I'm

sure. But um but then when I got to

college then there was an improv group

there and then I was cut like I didn't

even know what improv was back then. Now

it's like

>> when when you go to So you're in high

school in Lexington, Massachusetts which

a shot heard around the world like we

just mentioned. Um uh like the the

birthplace of democracy. Um right next

to it was Burlington, Massachusetts

where I was from. And let's be honest,

they were not different at all. There

was maybe Right. Oh my god. Look at she

just last time she said it. Well, I was

gonna say I exaggerated for a fact.

>> Okay. Okay.

>> I exaggerated for shared them all.

>> We shared them all.

>> Well, we I often hung out at the

Burlington Mall. We probably passed each

other.

>> We did. I think we did

>> at the Bighgams or something.

>> Like we definitely I felt like we had

very parallel lives, like short,

blue-eyed Massachusetts girls who um

like were good students but wanted to be

funny. And um and the the Lexington I

always used to joke that Lexington is

like for Parks and Rex fan like Parks

and Rec fans Lexington was the Eagleton

and Burlington was the Ponty is how it

felt like we thought Lexington was where

the rich people were. And what did you

think of Burlington?

>> Burlington. Oh, I didn't think about No,

I'm just kidding.

I'M LIKE, how do I how do I get Amy to

see? Um no, first of all, I worked at

Cowdors. Yes.

>> Which is in across the Burlington. I

crossed town lives during Cowdors with

the Burlington Bad Girls and our teams

played each other.

>> Our teams PLAYED EACH OTHER ON

Thanksgiving Day. And so since then we

always call Well, now they don't

anymore, but we used to call each other

up on Thanksgiving.

>> Yeah, we used to Burlington. Yeah,

>> we used to try trash talk each other on

on Thanksgiving. And then you go to

Dartmouth.

>> I went to Dartmouth Ivy League, Rachel.

>> Yes.

>> And very very like uh what was your

experience there? Like did you like it?

Well, great question. Um, it was, but I

went back in the 80s and it was it was

very conservative back then. Um, which I

didn't even really know what that meant,

but it was just like um it took me a

while to find my people there. Like, you

know, I had friends at the beginning and

everything, but then the the general

ethos of it, I didn't feel like I really

matched with, right? Um, and then I saw

the improv group like I've some friend

of mine from like acting class or

whatever is like, come check this out.

And as soon as I saw it, I was like, not

like this is, but I was kind of like, I

feel like I could do this, you know.

>> This is exact. This is We have very

similar stories because same thing. I

went to Boston College. I was trying to

figure out how I fit in. Big

>> I didn't know that part.

>> Big sports school like and lots of um

like uh uh private school kids, which as

much as we joke with Lex like we didn't

have like that prep school vibe of like

>> No, we were kids.

>> What person is the Yeah, that was a big

vibe. I remember going into people's

dorm rooms and being like, "How do you

know how to get your dorm room so ready

so fast?"

>> And they're like, "I was living in

Deerfield.

I spent three years at Deerfield." And

that's how. But I didn't know that you

felt that way, too.

>> Yeah. And so I saw an improv group my

freshman year.

>> My mother's flea bag.

>> Yes. And yours was

>> said and done.

>> Oh my god. This looks nothing like those

improv

>> improv group names. Yeah. Um, our friend

Brian Stack, who is a performer at

Tekken City, used to like love to talk

about good and bad improv names and like

how they would either be really goofy,

like punfilled, or they would be very

like serious and pretentious.

>> Oh, I haven't heard this.

>> There was one and and if if anyone's

listening and I as part of the group, I

I enjoy your work and I respect your

work,

>> but um one of them he said was called

Society's Mirror. No.

>> Is that real?

>> Good question.

>> I don't know. I There's no way to check.

>> Like I could look at it on my laptop,

but

>> it I think it's out of batteries.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. Okay. So, you did you do Were you

in S and Done?

>> So, then Yeah. So, then I got into Set

and Done and then I was like, "Oh, like

these are the fun people, you know."

>> But you were a theater kid.

>> I Well, I mean, I don't know. No, I just

did like you did plays, right? Did you

do plays

>> theater camp?

>> I I did go to theater summer theater

camp. Yes. But not like one of those

like I'm not saying this to be like it

wasn't like those ones like the real

ones. It wasn't like professional like

you know kids that were really it was

just like suburban Boston like you know

whatever. But um but yeah then I that's

where I met our pal Alec. But um

>> but yeah, I wasn't like like the star of

anything like I wasn't like rolling in

and then like the lead and everything. I

started out like everything I started

out like the chorus and then you move up

a little bit the next year. Yeah. That

kind of thing.

>> Yeah. And and I think like me and you

like we didn't really know anyone that

were actors or writers growing up. So I

just never thought that would be a job.

>> Right. Right. Right.

>> Did you have like an idea as a kid what

your job would be?

>> I mean like every kid in third grade I

wanted to be a marine biologist. like

like like us all, right? Um but no,

they're like I mean I don't everyone

wants to be a marine biologist.

>> What do we think we're going to do here?

>> Like play with dolphins and save the

nature. I Well, actually legitimately

was like very in and still am like

nature like a a career for in saving

nature was like something I actually

when I was little like then when I go

then as you know I wanted to be a

therapist. Um, but I also like every

time I'd see a movie I was like, "Oo."

Like I was just really intrigued, but I

had no idea how you ever did that. And I

also to be really like not

self-deprecating, but it wasn't like I

had felt like I had special skill in

acting or anything, but I loved like

cracking jokes,

but yet you don't think you're

>> like, cuz it's like not like, well, I'm

an actor. Like, not like that, but just

like I like comedy and I like watching

it and like I had a group of funny

friends, too. So we would always like,

you know, I legit funny friends. So that

was also sort of like practice, you know

what I mean?

>> Yeah. Okay. So you get to Dartmouth, you

graduate and what was your degree in?

>> It was drama and then I minored in

psychology,

>> right?

>> And then Oh, so my improv group

sophomore summer were on campus. We took

this little like trip cuz one of the

guys from the group was from Chicago.

So, we went out to Chicago for a week

just to like check out Second City

Improv Olympic and just like, you know,

go to all the little sites there. And

then I was like, "Okay, maybe when I

graduate, I'll come back here and like

try this, you know." And I sort of just

wanted to try it more to know that I'd

given it a shot. I don't know how you

were about this, but I was kind of you

all you hear is like it's so hard you're

never going to make it. like that's all

you hear when so then I was like buying

into that and then I was like okay I'm

just going to go out and try Chicago and

then I won't make it and then I'll come

back and be a therapist in suburban

Boston and um but then like very then

like I mean I don't know how much

detaile go but right when I got there I

did not get into classes at Second City

like I heard like everyone auditions

gets into classes and then I didn't get

into classes and then I was like oh like

what did I do you know but then I just

stuck it out and then I took class like

later like everything I did I kind of

didn't get the first time around sort

of. Um

>> Oh, interesting. Interesting.

>> Well, like that and then like touring

company I auditioned didn't get in and

then like

>> um well SNL I auditioned two times like

just but then you kind of get used to

that I guess. I don't know. But um but

anyway uh yeah so then I eventually got

into the classes and then did like

little theater things there and

eventually got into the touring company.

>> So you get to Chicago and do you

remember when we first met?

>> I do. Well, in my memory, we were in the

lobby of Second City and you had just

moved there and you were in the touring

company, I guess. I don't know if you

were in it yet or just coming around to

check it out or something, but anyway, I

remember meeting you and I remember you

being really friendly and like I would

just say like sunshiny. Like it's not

you you don't always remember meeting

someone for the first time, but I do

remember at least in my mind this was

the first time. And I just remember you

were like very like like you are you

were very friendly and smiley and you

know cute little blondie.

>> I remember meeting you but I didn't see

you. I saw you. So

>> I arrived and you were kind of the

junior to my freshman in Chicago I would

say. And I saw you on stage. You were in

Lois Cass an improv show. Very like kind

of famous improv show named after

>> a woman

>> the woman that worked in the office or

something. I don't

>> Yeah, sketch and improv and comedy, it's

just like music, right? Like it's like,

"Oh, go check out this cool band." Like,

"Oh, these two people are singing

together." Um, you know, you just were

like watching groups and trying to

figure out what was good. What did you

like? And Lois, the show that you were

in, um, was just like, "Oh, these are

the cool good improvisers. Go see them."

And I remember so the first time I saw

you before we met um I saw you on stage

and I just remember you know

I think like when you see someone on

stage for the first time it's very it's

a very interesting dynamic like you're

just like forever looking up to them

like it feels like and I just was like

oh she's so funny like just loved being

like watching you perform like just and

um and you know subsequently like we got

to know each other in Chicago and I was

your understudy for uh

>> touring company for sure. Yeah.

>> So, what is touring company for people

who don't know?

>> Well, it's like your first step to

getting into Second City and you're not

out on the road like for big long times.

You're just like you're going to Indiana

for the weekend like that kind of thing.

Yeah. And it's just sort of like cutting

your teeth and I mean you get paid a

minimal sums. You're like it's your

first like I'm a working actor, you

know? And it's sort of your first step

to moving up the little ladder there.

>> Yeah. So, we didn't get to tour together

cuz I was only filling in when you were

>> and then Amy struck out and moved to New

York and started UCB, which I told you

before that I was always just like, what

are you guys? Like, I didn't know you

guys that well, but I was just like,

what are they doing? Like, they're on

track to, you know, you were already

very successful in Chicago or like

successful like

>> known to be good improvisers, whatever.

But um but then like you definitely

would have moved up the ranks at Second

City, but you guys had this like pioneer

spirit of moving here and starting

>> this kind of like if if we're if the

Drach and Polar romcom is happening,

this is where the we kind of separate

for a little bit to go find our own,

right? because I moved to New York.

You're on mainstage in a very famous

show at Second City and then you meet

Tina when

>> Oh, so then Tina joined then the next

show then they changed it to Three Men,

Three Women, which was like

revolutionary.

>> I was like what?

>> I know. But um

>> three women together.

>> I know. But then Tina came in for the

next show, my second show on Mainstage

called Citizen Gates. And uh she was of

course hilarious from the get-go. And

then we did two shows together. And then

and then I started to get more

comfortable up there and like being

better at creating characters and all

that. And then Tina went off to write

for SNL after the second her second

show. And then I stayed there.

>> How many more years did you stay there?

>> I was um well I was four years on the

main stage

>> and uh and it was such a fun job. I mean

it might have been like my favorite job

ever.

>> Yeah. Like take us back to what it was

like a day when you were on the main

station. What was that day like?

>> Well, I mean, I remember like you'd

sleep really late, much later than I do

now. But I just Well, but then you're

writing the show. If you're rehearsing,

you're writing the show by day. So,

you're in rehearsal all day. So, and

that but you never wrote like how we did

at SNL where you were like at a

typewriter. What? A typewriter. Okay.

>> Word processor.

>> When you were at

>> I think I got a good one here.

>> GIVE ME MORE PAPER.

>> I'M ON A PAPER. SCHULTZY.

OKAY. Computer is what they're called

now. But um

but no, like you it's not like SNL when

you're like, "Oh, let's think of

something." We're in an office. It was

all on its feet and like just someone

had an idea and you just and then you

try it out in front of the audience or

the audience would give a suggestion and

then a scene would really hit from an

audience suggestion. Let's try that

again, but let's change this. So that's

how we wrote the thing. Um, and then

eventually like the show would be done

and it'd be set and then you just do the

show night after night. But um, but the

show was like sketch like for those that

don't know like and then afterwards

you'd improvise every night pretty much.

And um that's how you get really good at

improvising by just night after night

after night. Cuz if I had improvised

right now, I'd be like uh like I'd wait

linger in the backline. You know, if you

keep doing it like welloiled machine.

>> So talk to us about you're on you get to

SNL what year?

>> 99,

>> right?

>> Yeah. Fall of 99. And uh I was the only

new person that year. Well, the only new

actor, Ali, was a new writer. But um but

yeah, so you just get like

>> who's on the cast when you

>> when you just said us and I just got a

little tense. You know, this show comes

out on Tuesdays. And to me, I just

realized I was like, "Oh, this is like a

a new way to

change Tuesdays for me, cuz Tuesdays

used to be writing night at SNL where it

was like the dread of Tuesdays. Like, oh

no, this is the night where I have to

try to get on the show because you

audition basically every week and I

haven't written anything yet and I'm I'm

so tired and uh I'm going to let the

host down. I'm going to let every myself

down." now that there's like this show

comes on she says I don't know there's

just something like but yes

I think people are aware of the dread

but what what just came up for you

which particular type of dread

>> I don't know I just thought of like

walking in there

and like picturing the hallway

>> and I think I thought you were going to

like go to the audition but no then I'm

like right in that hallway I'm in THE

HALLWAY AMY I'M IN the hallway stay in

the hallway stay in the hallway stay

there Rachel

I can still I can

>> feel your feet on the ground.

>> Here comes Lauren down the hallway. Um

okay. Um

>> so you're there by that's hard being the

only new cast.

>> That was hard. I can't I cannot tell a

lie. That was hard because

>> that place is like Well, I think you

know some like when Will Ferrell came in

I think is the year that like a whole

bunch of new people they were like the

freshman class and then you're all like

in it together. But when you come in

new, like no one's like, you know,

here's how this works in here. So, and

it's just you're kind of just like, "Hey

guys, what's you know,

>> wandering the halls kind of."

>> It definitely feels like the the high

school version of like your tray in the

lunchroom, like where do I sit?

>> Yeah, for sure. Um, I mean Tina was

there, so that was good because she knew

how already she knew the system

obviously, but like I had someone to

write with because some people come in

there and they're great, but if they if

they don't know how to write for like

also the writing for SNL is very

different from writing for Second City.

Like a scene that killed a Second City,

you couldn't get it on SNL cuz it's just

this different like and at the time

you're like but this is awesome and why

don't you? But now, like with more

wisdom, I'm like, why theater? Why

wouldn't it work?

>> Just cuz like a a scene in the theater

like could take longer to get going, you

didn't need to have like laugh laugh.

Like it's like people in the theater are

just like into seeing this character

kind of

>> do their thing. But at SNL had to be

like you need laughs like off the bat.

You need to know what this is right

away. And um

>> I don't know just one thing that

>> Do you remember the first scene on SNL

that like you got were getting laughs

and you thought like it's working? Like

that felt like

>> No. Um

um gosh, I don't remember the first cuz

I remember the first few times I got on

>> like I wasn't even I like left my body.

So I don't remember like this is going

really well. I was just like I'm on like

that kind of thing. Yeah. Um

well the first very first show I wasn't

in like the you know season premiere

whatever right and like you've told all

your friends like I'm on a and like

everyone's watching it your scene gets

cut like it does and then the next week

the same thing happened scene got cut so

it was like the third week

>> who was the host do you remember

>> the one that I got on was uh I should

know this oh my god well I know the

first one was Jerry Seinfeld then it was

Nor McDonald and then it was

and does not compute. Oh my god. I don't

>> know. It's funny. The brain remembers

trauma. So, you remember the two shows

that you weren't on.

>> Dana Carvey. I don't going to have to

go.

>> They're going to do those three guys in

a row. Let's What year was it, Drachie?

>> It was 1999. Third episode.

>> Okay. This will be a fun game.

>> Dana Carvey.

>> Okay. I'm going to And I'm going to have

you guess the musical guest because

that's always fun, too.

>> Oh my god.

>> 1999. I don't remember anything. 1999

SNL

hosts. And don't worry, we're going to

keep all.

>> Let me tell you one cool thing, though.

Let me I just heard that. Wait, let me

tell you one cool thing, though.

>> Please.

>> The

Please. Um, the very first musical guest

was David Bowie. And when I was I've

told this before, but when I was getting

my photo taken for like the very first

opening credits, like it was on the

stage, you know, like in 8H and David

Bowie was it was Thursday. He was

rehearsing with the band. So like I'm

getting my picture taken and he's right

over there singing Rebel Rebel. I mean,

I have chills every time I think about

that because that was just like

I mean I don't even have words for like

the surrealness.

That's a very um that's a to have a

soundtrack of that moment for your life

and it's David Bowie playing

>> David Bowie icon. Yeah. So I remember

that.

>> Should we tell the Black Crow story?

>> So one time So I don't do drugs at all.

So So and then one time the Black Crows

were the musical guest and um someone in

the department came up to me. He's like,

"Hey, do you want

That's my drug offer voice. Hey, do you

want

um whatever you call it? Joint.

>> Not a joint, but just like a hit off a

joint. I see.

>> And I was I don't know. I' I tried it a

couple times. It's never really worked.

I've never really dug it. And then I was

like, "Okay, sure." So, I took like one

puff off of this Black Crows. Am I going

to get sued? The Black Crows pot.

a hit off the black crow's pot. I took a

hit off the black crow's pot and my my

cousin was visiting me, my cousin Zach,

and um I came back to the table and I

was like, "Oh, I guess this is like I'm

really high right now." And I was so

embarrassed cuz like it was my little

cousin

and I never ever ever get high. And then

I came back and I was kind of like

I don't really remember if I told him or

not.

>> You Oh, he didn't. He might not even

know.

>> I don't even know. But um that was my

one like

>> I remember you telling me you couldn't

get up from your chair.

>> Oh, I don't remember that. But it's

possible. It's possible.

>> You were kind of stuck.

>> I was just like really like anyway. And

that's why I don't do drugs.

>> I mean,

>> no, I'm just not into that feeling, I

guess. But

>> no, you're not into that.

>> Only if it's from the Black Crows. and

Ben. Yes. Chris Chris Robinson. Call me.

Call me.

I just love that. That was the way.

>> Also, it wasn't it wasn't like I was

like partying with the Black Cross. It

was like secondhanded made it down to

the music guy and I was told it was from

the Black Cross.

>> But it's so interesting that you took

the hit that you at least

I was feeling a little jaunty that

night. I don't know. I don't know. No,

but drugs is not your thing. Never

like a margarita.

>> Like a margarita.

>> I KNOW YOU. But look at Yes.

>> Or perhaps you like to sail to the pogio

islands.

>> Amy and I will occasionally sail to the

penog grigiogios.

>> We'll text each other and say, "Shall we

take a trip

>> to the to the Grigios?"

>> Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, and then when you were at SNL, like

I feel like we got it I was thinking

today about all the stuff we got to do

together and we got to do a lot of dumb

>> so fun.

>> So fun stuff.

>> Oh my gosh. And but you know and I was

thinking it was like I I mean in many

ways I wish we had I I wish we had more

time together when I was more

experienced there because I was new and

kind of stressed and you were the again

the junior to my senior and I felt like

I loosened up more and figured out how

to like just have more fun as as I got

older there.

>> Um

>> but we did get to do some fun stuff

together. First of all, you were in the

original Debbie Downer and that was so

fun. I mean, just to be laughing there

with you.

>> Well, you bring this up and you know, I

ask this question to people on this

podcast and I truly feel like it is

because of Debbie Downer that I ask this

question. Again, I owe you a lot of

money and thank you for thank you for

building this podcast with me. Um, but

Debbie Downer, I've said it many times

before, was and is the thing that I go

to, um, uh, also maybe now replaced by

the clip, the clip of this podcast.

>> I watch the clip a lot of times. And I

just wanted to clarify, I don't go like

watch my work like I don't go watch like

a movie I did cuz like I just like to

have it in my head. But that it's like I

said, it was like seeing your biggest

crackup. Yes.

>> And just like I I have to laugh every

time I watch it.

>> Me too. And Debbie Downer was like that

for me during very dark times because it

was the combination of

>> us all having fun. you

your

like the way in which you were

physically trying to hold it together

like the way like the laugh was like um

something you were trying to hold in

combined with the zoom zoom in

>> and the sound effect

>> and we've watched it so many times like

Emily's knows every single like this is

the part where your lip starts quivering

because there's one part where the very

beginning I'm going g

and Then there's the part where you

something falls backstage and I look

away my eyes start over there like we

know every single moment.

>> It is it's like the Zruder film like

frame by frame and it proves it just it

got me. It's such a serotonin boost.

>> Before we move on, talk to us about the

like who did you write Debbie Downer

with and how did it start?

>> Like the origin of

>> Yes. The origin of people will want to

know. So, um, well, it really started

because I went on a vacation by myself

that had been suggested to me by A

THERAPIST,

AND I often leave THAT DETAIL OUT, BUT

SINCE I'M ON THIS one-on-one Amy

interview, no, I've said it like once or

twice, but usually I leave that part out

for the masses. But, um, no, uh, not

like this. This number one podcast

masses. Um, but no, she was she just

like she kept saying like take a trip by

yourself and I was like why? Like I

don't want to do that. I could go with

friends. Like I don't want and I just

kind of took it as like doctor's orders.

Like I just sort of like I'm doing this

and I like self-propelled myself to the

jungles of Costa Rica.

No, but I wanted to pick somewhere that

it wasn't going to be like honeymooners

and like I wanted to pick somewhere that

was like just like I don't know

somewhere kind of remote I guess. So it

was like very remote. It was in the Osa

Peninsula. You had to take like the big

plane then you take the smaller plane

then you take the 2hour jeep drive. I

mean I was going deep out of society

and each time they were like it was like

Barbara Potty one. Well no. So I picked

this. It was like this eco lodge thing.

So I went there and um and then it was

just like a it was so there was like

these communal it wasn't like a lot of

people there and it was actually really

cool like and I did meet really cool

people and um I met these two sisters

that like at like they were older but

they're like my age right now but um I

mean the age I'm now and they were sort

of like they sort of told me like the

rudimentary

u fundamentals of what is later known as

the secret like did you did I tell you

when I was on this

>> people should know Dr. knew the secret

before anyone knew.

>> So when I from and I learned it from the

jungles of Costa Rica from two white

ladies that were from Colorado. But

anyway, so so so they like they were

just weird, you know, cuz you're like

chatting and and I got to say like hats

off to the suggestion cuz I never would

have talked to strangers if I was with a

friend, right? You know, so I'm like

having this conversation and these women

were telling me about like, you know,

basically like what's the law of

attraction, I guess. But they put it

like you know if you if you think on

positive things positive and if you're

if you're focusing on lack you'll

attract lack basically. But then it

almost like the whole thing got like

sealed because then we were on this like

you know you could do like nature walks

or whatever and we were on this like

walk on the beach like with the little

like it wasn't like a group. It was like

whoever's here and wants to go on this

thing. And um this woman was saying like

there were these like beautiful birds

overhead these like scarlet macaus and

this like way up in the sky and this

woman goes I I want a feather to bring

home for my daughter and I swear like 20

seconds later from like way way up high

this feather starts to just go and it

falls down. We all like kind of see it

like and it lands like right at her

feet.

>> Whoa.

>> Amy doesn't believe in any of this

stuff.

>> I do. I

>> Okay. No, that that's cool. That's cool.

But I believe in manifesting.

>> That was cool though. So then I was just

like sold. I'll join your cult. No, but

no, but then that Okay, this isn't

anything about Debbie Donner. This is

just other stuff on that trip. But

anyway, but then the Debbie Donner story

is that when later it was like sitting

at dinner like you're with randos that

are there and um people just making

chitchat and someone said like where are

you from and I said New York and then

they said like oh were you there for 911

and it was like 3 years after 911. It

wasn't like it just happened. It was

kind of out of and then I was kind of

like uh yeah and then like it's kind of

like just like in Debbie D you had to

like get the conversation back because

it was like vacation times

>> right

>> and then like about a week later after I

got home I was like out listening to

some band which isn't something I

usually do but I think that's kind of

interesting cuz like doing something you

don't usually do and then your brain is

kind of like I don't know you're not on

your usual channels I guess but then I

just had that idea of is kind of based

on that like so like the a Debbie Downer

popped into my head of like

>> yes

>> and then which this is kind of just

talking creativity I found at SNL you

couldn't just go in there and like okay

let's think of a scene like it had to be

like moments like that like

>> and to me that only happened like once

or twice a year which is why like you

might sit there at home be like why

isn't there like like SNL man but it's

like thinking of really original

characters that kind of like hit on

something. It's not something you can

like steer the ship on. It like to me

like it has to like vibe out with you.

>> Yes. You have to be like you have to to

your point, you have to like keep the

channel open and be like find the muse

and like let it find you. It just can't

be like turned out.

>> Exactly.

>> And how then I took it to Paula Pel who

we wrote with often and is hilarious and

everyone knows Paula now because I love

Paula's like out there more in front of

the camera. But um but anyway, and then

we were on writing night, we were trying

to write it. We set it in an office and

it just kind of wasn't really flowing.

We it just wasn't really jing. And then

we were like maybe we need to put her

somewhere really happy. So then we

thought of Disney World, of course,

happiest place on earth. And then and

then while we were writing it, like when

like of course Paula was cracking me up

with these oneliners and everything and

then we started just going like like

just for ourselves and then we're like

what if we put that in the scene with

actual trombone sound. So then for read

through we had I don't remember if we

had like the live person or someone just

had done it but then at read through

like it killed but then you never know

cuz sometimes something can kill at the

table and then when we were in dress

rehearsal Jimmy and Horatio were kind of

laughing and I was thinking like you

guys like I feel like this could work

like

>> keep it together guys. And then like on

air I just flubbed one of the lines and

then I don't even know. I guess I was

like so nervous and

>> sure

>> and then on you but thankfully you just

like like the good Pisces fish like you

just like you went along for the like it

was it's so joyous watching it because

it is just the com. It's like what real

live TV is supposed to feel like. Like

it just felt like a a special moment in

time. And also um I mean you are such a

good performer that you you're able you

were able to like do it and have and

enjoy doing it at the same time. It was

like just it's very sometimes when

people are stressed it's stressful to

watch like it's not good to watch.

>> That's how I feel.

>> Yeah. I mean, but you don't seem

stressed in that moment.

>> Well, I love watching performers that

like this is what like, you know, I feel

like I've had so much time now that I'm

older to like think of like what makes a

good comed and everything like that. And

like I love watching people like you can

tell that underneath it they're also

like laughing inside. Like I mean better

to keep it inside but I mean like like

>> and I feel like you have that like I was

just talking about you um I forget like

in what context but like you are always

like you can see the joy of perform like

there's two levels happening. There's

like what you're performing and then the

sort of joyful like under bubbling

that's also happening

>> like I just like Steve Krill just popped

into my mind as like someone that

>> like you can see the fun happening

behind the feral the mischievous like

dance underneath it where they're having

fun. Circling all the way back to Debbie

Downer and all the way back to the

question that I ask my guests.

>> This brings up the person that I spoke

to earlier before this podcast.

>> So, you know, we always like to talk

well behind people's backs.

>> I talked to the great Kevin Kahun about

you today.

>> You did? Oh my god. I was wondering who

my person was going to be. And um

because I want him to lead us into

Broadway, which we're going to next, um

this Virgo has a plan. Okay. And I'm

taking you there, babe. I'm taking you

there. I got no Okay. I'm aware of the

time. I'm aware of the time.

>> Okay. I could hang all day, but

>> No, I'm just kidding. Um but but I

talked to Kevin uh and uh he he had a

couple really good questions for you.

And one was what what and it's and it's

this it's a similar question to what we

ask on the podcast. is like if uh like

when you're feeling that when when

Rachel is feeling like that Debbie

Downer feeling, what do you do to get

yourself up out of it? And that's a

question we ask here, which is

>> what do you watch, listen to? How when

when you've got Der Blues, as we like to

call it, how do you get up out of it?

What makes you laugh? You know, for me

it is it is a lot of Debbie Downer and

clips. I mean, it is a lot of you,

Rachel.

>> That's so nice.

>> It is you. Like, you really get me out

of the dumps. You really do. You're like

an elevator that helps me get up out of

there. Uh-oh.

Tears.

Tears. But you really get me way up. And

it's because of the laughter.

>> You do that for me.

[Laughter]

>> Is there anything else that like you

like to go to to just like

>> the bottom of a tequila bottle?

I go to the worm.

>> The worm.

>> I eat the worm.

>> I ate the worm.

>> That was such an 80s thing. Like, she

ate the worm.

>> I know. Now there's no worms anymore.

>> No, there's no worms.

>> Um, let's see. I forgot that you asked

this and like

>> I I feel like I don't have like healthy

um

serious

honestly the real thing that elevates me

is like meeting like meeting with

friends out in New York. Like that's

like that's my honest answer.

>> Yes. you like

>> Mars nights and um and like meeting with

my lady friends that's like

>> because like I feel like I have this

great you know group various groups of

people but they're all like fun but then

like I love a friend who is really fun

and like sees the joy in life and like

can laugh through like the foibless and

all that but also has the side that's

like you know the amateur psychologist

like you know that we can help each

other out and if you're if you like I

like if you show up to a friend and you

don't have to be anything other than

what you're feeling cuz like there's

certain friends where you can just do

that you can come in and you be like you

know I'm not going to be bringing my

aame and like that's fine and I like not

having to ex exert extra energy to

pretend I'm like somewhere I'm not and I

hope that like

>> I'm that for other people too but um

>> that's exactly how I described you by

the way to Kevin exactly that which is

you are a friend like in good times and

bad in sunny weather and stormy weather

and you just can always show up as the

version of yourself. That's exactly how

I described you.

>> Well, that's what I like in others too.

So,

>> um

>> this isn't like a joy thing. This is

more like a like mind set thing.

>> No, like a settle your mind. Like I like

doing those word puzzles in the New York

Times. Like I like that's my like my

like ritual is I do all those cuz it

sort of makes me like forget all the you

can't be like emotional when you're

trying to think of the word.

>> Well I would say as a person that has

now known you for 30 years has

vacationed with you has you know our

kids are friends like we are in a lot of

different ways in life together that

those kind of like quiet puzzly moments

is a dr recharge.

>> Yeah that is a recharge. Yeah,

>> because you are a very interesting combo

of introvert, extrovert. Like you are

very extroverted and especially on

stage, but your everyday like you

definitely need quiet time.

>> I guess so.

>> Would you say no?

>> Yeah. I don't know. I think I used to

need um less of it. I think now I'm a

little more like I just need like the

the recharge moment. Yeah.

>> Um Okay. Kevin also had a question too

that leads us into Broadway.

>> Okay.

>> And um you were in an incredible show

called PUS. tell us about that

experience, what it was like working

with those women and what it was like

being nominated.

>> Um, well, I mean it was a lot like it

the mindset of doing it was so it was

this comedy with all women and um I just

got like called up to do this show with

Susan Strowman who I had done a few

readings for and um the part was very

much like the clown in the show. So, I

got to do a lot of like physical just

like make up your own bits and all this

stuff. And um it felt very much like

being back at Second City like in the

best way. And also I love like just I

mean the theater schedule is no joke as

any Broadway person will tell you. But

um cuz you know you have to kind of like

sign your life well like you're not

going out on the weekends all that

stuff. But um the thing that I love

about theater, it's just you and the

audience like there's no one saying like

um we think this should go this way or

like like of course there's a director

in developing this part, but once you're

up and running it's just like that

feeling that connection of you and the

audience like and that was like hearkens

back to Second City like oh how long am

I holding this slap or oh if I do this

little tiny thing it gets left like you

don't even I love all that stuff. So um

it was just very freeing and fun.

>> Yeah.

>> And and you loved the women you did it

with.

>> Yeah. Yeah. You guys became a very

desperate group that was all like meshed

really well together. Yeah, it was.

>> And where were you when you got your

Tony nom for your Broadway debut?

>> Well, um you know the the nominations

come out like in the morning and you can

just like watch it online. I was just

like,

>> "Okay, I'll check this out." You know,

and then like they said my name and then

you know your phone starts going off the

hook. I mean that was something like you

know as a comedian like comedy often

doesn't get like award stuff but all

that to say like I didn't expect like

getting nominated was never anything

that I thought would be happening when

when you're in comedy you just don't

really think like

>> but the Tony's are an exception I think

the Tony's often do give it up for good

comedic performances that's true I think

they really are like they really respect

the craft

>> they do the craft. Yes. So Kevin had a

question about you um uh being like

young Rachel like what were some theater

performers, some musical, some shows

that like what were I think his question

was like what are the top three

um pieces of theater uh that you like

really inspired you when you were young,

>> you know, like maybe scratch some little

spark. Well, I guess as mentioned,

Annie,

>> can we just for one second talk more

about Annie? Because Annie,

>> so many female parts, so many parts for

girls. Like that alone, like a lot of

shows just don't have a lot of parts.

It's like there was you Rachel and I

were both in Once Upon a Mattress.

>> We were Amy had the lead and I had the

boring part, but we weren't in the same

production.

>> We weren't in the same

>> both of our schools. I was in the sixth

grade production. Oh, this is funny

though. And Amy was in the high school.

>> Yes. High schoolction. And Amy, if you

know Once on Mattress, Amy played

Wifford, the princess, the clown.

>> The clown. Yeah. Carol Bernett

originated on Broadway.

>> Clown. And I played this character, Lady

Larkin, who's the boring part. But let

me also say this that because it was in

sixth grade, the only comedic hook that

Lady Larkin has is that, well, she's

pregnant and so they're in a hurry to

get married, you know, cuz they're in

the castle and so they need Winterfred

to get married. Well, in sixth grade,

they take out the pregnancy, of course.

So, I had nothing to play. There's no

there there. I'm just a lady in waiting.

>> And I wasn't pregnant. By the way, I

don't even think I knew that the

original characters, but they changed

the lyrics cuz the real lyrics were in a

little in a little while you you and I

will be one, two, three, four, like

kids. And they just like you and I will

be together. That's what they changed it

to. And you're like, I got nothing to

play.

>> I got nothing to play.

>> So, okay. So, okay. Annie, of course. Um

or also orphans, you know, orphans. One

other thing is with Annie, everyone's

like your age. Like literally, if you're

10 and they're 10, you're like, "How do

I how do I get in this?" Like that kind

of thing, right?

>> And and also a dog.

>> A dog. We love a dog.

>> Did you have the album? Oh my god. Yeah.

Okay. knew every single song and I

wanted to play every part and I loved it

so much. Okay, so Annie

>> Okay, so Annie um then also well of

course this is probably the same too. Um

like Gild D Rner, Carol Bernett, Lily

Tomlin.

>> Yes. I mean

>> just those and they were on stage like

they were they were

>> I mean I only saw them obviously like I

saw them like I mean when I was really

little my parents watched Laughing and I

remember Lily Tomlin being Edith Anne in

the giant chair

>> and that's the truth.

Sorry. Um and then um

>> Carol Bernett of course.

>> Yes. And like often times we get asked

till we're blue in the face about women

in comedy, right? And like I just think

growing up seeing them,

>> you're not thinking like, "Oh, these are

women in com." You're just like, "This

person's really funny and they're being

really brash and bold and they're, you

know, not afraid to look weird and here

she is with the curtains as a dress and

just like, you know, she's like the

center of it all." and um like you know

Gilda Rner making all her faces and

everything like yeah

>> so I just think you're just seeing that

and you're not delineating you know and

then like

>> I mean the first season of SNL that cast

like I did watch like you know John

Bushi Steve Martin that's why like when

Steve Martin hosted SNL it's like oh my

god Steve like I still have that when

I'm when I see Steve Martin I'm like

when I'm hanging out with Steve Martin

no that never happens um not true I've

seen it but anyway I think like seeing

them um was an influence but not knowing

it at the time of course.

>> Um fame

>> fame which of course we all had played

that on the piano out here on my own.

>> You can play the piano.

>> No but I was like plunking it out but

out here on my own

>> when I'm down

everyone wants to hear this. I close my

eyes so I can be with you.

>> And then what was the third one? And

then I would say hair.

>> Hair.

>> Hair.

>> I don't think enough people are talking

about hair these days.

>> No.

>> The the musical.

>> No.

>> Hair was so big.

like the music and the I think like the

movie

>> the movie cuz that was the first like I

mean I just remember like excuse me that

had like major like tragedy in it and

sadness and

>> but also like yes I remember seeing that

the Lex in a movie theater and um

>> must have been nice.

We ate gold. We ate gold covered

popcorn.

>> HC had a chandelier at your own bar.

>> We ate golden popcorn and we drank

champagne. We We showed our movies on

the side of a barn.

>> Side of the mall.

Side of the dress barn.

>> At the mall.

>> That's where we showed our movies.

>> The dress band. Oh my god.

No, but I remember hair was like like

emotional and but also just the music so

good.

>> So good. I And yeah. Anyway, I think

they like they should do a new

production of hair.

>> But there's no parts in it for us. Like

it's all new young is there's going to

be some like old lady who tells the kids

on

>> Get out of Get out of my lawn. No, no.

Get out. Get out of the park.

I'm walking my dog. You should cut your

hair.

>> That could be us.

>> Yeah, that could be us. Or like a a

businesswoman who comes in and goes,

"Listen, people."

>> Yeah.

>> This this bunch of hippies could really

make us some money. And they go, "Get

out of here, lady." That's what I would

play. Like a New Yorker who comes in to

ruin the vibe,

>> right?

But you have played so many different

things on on on in like you have played

like like you played a man. You played a

uh you were we love a Marco Polo cuz we

are women of a certain age and we love

to marco polo each other.

>> You were Marco Poloing me one time

wearing a having a mustache.

>> A a mustache in a production of

>> was it anything goes or um No, you were

playing Guys and Dolls. Guys and Dolls.

You're playing

>> Yes. I played a dude. Yes.

Yeah,

>> but you've played a lot of different

things. I have on stage.

>> Um, well, I mean, as have you,

>> we are but the makers of Mary. Um,

we are but clowns for your pleasure.

>> We don't win Oscars, but we shall make

you laugh. No, we are here but to be the

fool.

We are but we are but fools.

Josh and I always say if we were back in

those times, we would definitely be not

only gestures, but we'd be the

>> Oh, we'd be the maid.

>> We'd be the maids.

>> Yeah.

>> We'd be the maids at the bottom of the

>> castle maids at scrubbing things.

I think that's the role that I think I'm

born to play is like some because I

would love to do I'm going to put this

out there a Broadway thing like a really

secret like like a really really funny

Broadway thing and maybe I'm playing

this person

>> scrubbing

>> this is my aspiration

>> for listening

scrub on Broadway. Yeah,

>> I want to scrub my way to a Tony.

>> You listen?

You listen you big mucky mucks.

>> I had the Jonas Brothers on and we were

singing lay miz and they were like you

would be really good uh in Master of the

House. I was like I know

20 years old I'd be the old lady of the

house. Oh, by the way, you can cut this,

but um but um but I got to audition got

to I made the mistake of auditioning for

Lamez on Broadway for that part and I'm

like, you know, I can't sing, right? And

they're like just go in and then I like

I even went to like a voice lesson, but

like that part is like you really have

to sing. really and it's it's an

incredible part and incredible female

actors have played it. Incredible um

singers, but it and it's definitely the

most comedic part of

>> but you have to have a good voice which

I like just realized when I was in front

of these people in the room just like I

mean cuz they they didn't just give me

the master of the house song. There's

another song that's like very

complicated.

>> Yeah. And I just like like I sculpt out.

I will stick to making Mary without song

if it please you.

>> If it pleases you.

>> I can't be singing for the king again

for me to not sing.

>> Yes. Ku is like how do you like your

potatoes?

>> We could do a duo.

>> We could do a We could do maids. By the

way, that would be a very funny idea for

a show is like, you know, upstairs

downstairs. It just be like called

downstairs

>> and it's just us.

>> Yeah. Yeah. We're just like

>> we're just washing clothes

>> and we have dirt on our faces for sure.

>> We've been having grooves this morning.

>> Okay. And the last thing I just wanted

to talk about because we talked about it

a little bit is

>> your wooonness

>> because we're going to talk about your

podcast, your great podcast, Woo Woo,

which

>> and Amy was a guest on it. One of my

favorite episodes. You need to listen to

Amy on Woo! My podcast.

>> So many great stories on there and you

have you are very open to psychic uh

experiences. You are not judgmental in

any way. I would say that.

>> Oh, that I'm not judgmental. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And you have um I would say

you are also a little bit psychic but or

you and like you have that channel open.

Speaking of channels um what is that woo

woo world? So I started this podcast

called woo woo and the like I'm not I

always say like I'm not really woo woo

cuz I don't like I don't live my life

like I got to ask my psychic guy. I

don't have a second but but anyway I

always feel the need to say I know but I

always feel the need to say like I'm not

like super woo but then I started doing

this and it's making me definitely

making me more woo woo with the stories

I'm hearing but the reason I thought of

doing this cuz I just had sort of

collected these stories from friends

over the years and I was like oh these

stories are really cool would you come

on and tell this so that's kind of how

it started um and then you came on which

was really fun and you're not like a

huge woo believer but you're not like

totally shut down but Amy came on and

talked about the anagram which you lives

her life by.

>> I mean,

>> for those who care, Rachel is an Inagram

nine, if you haven't noticed.

>> Yeah.

>> The ultimate nine.

>> The ultimate nine.

>> Peacekeeper,

>> peacemaker.

>> Um, but uh but yeah. So, I guess what

else do I say about it?

>> Well, I was going to say that there's a

couple woo woo things that have happened

with us. I feel like a little tiny woo.

Most of my woo woo things have happened

with you.

>> And we were pregnant at the same time.

Our sons are close in age and I'm happy

to say like real friends which is so

great and we I can remember a very like

hot summer where you and I were waddling

around the city like both really

pregnant and you can tell from our

height like we didn't we carried out

front you know there's not a lot of so I

just remember us being like going to

movies like

watching movies cuz it was so hot out

and going to a psychic to talk about um

our our our kids. And you brought me to

this really cool psychic um who um you

know like just you just have introduced

me to a lot of just like give this

version of life a try I guess is the

best way to say it.

>> Yes. It's kind of like why not believe

>> Yes.

>> that that thing was not a coincidence. I

don't know.

>> Yes. Um, I think once you're, it's

almost like what we're saying about the

writing sketches. I think once you're

kind of open to it, then you start to

>> see like you just I don't know. I don't

want to say like you get messages or

whatever, but I just think the more open

you are, the more woo woo you might

become.

>> Do you think that like that has anything

happened lately that has felt a little

like in the woo woo world for you? Um,

well, first of all, as Amy said with the

pregnancy thing that a

>> a psychic told me that I was going to

have a kid when I was 43 and I wasn't

even with anybody and then that

happened. So, that was so that was my

first like little like this is really

strange. But, um,

>> yeah, you write about it really well in

your memoir. Um, walks into a bar.

>> Um, and uh, let's see. I don't know

something lately.

>> I just like to hear your like like is

there any vibe you're getting right now?

Like what's the vibe of this room? The

vibe of this room is great.

>> It's good. Okay. Any ghost in this room?

Outside this room. Not good.

>> Things are not good once you leave this

room.

>> The vibes are not good.

>> So true. But this room is a good hang

and it's fun and bright and cheery.

>> But you I feel like you do that. I'm

like you're really fast at being like

this isn't a good vibe. This isn't a

good hang. like this isn't a good like

you're really good at reading people

fast or or experience like rooms or

>> people

>> you're like I don't like that I don't

get a good feeling from that.

>> Yeah. And and I started to like again

older I get like listen to that like if

you're if you're if you get that feeling

of like h like you're allowed to not

hang there or whatever. I don't know.

>> And last question uh are you afraid of

zombies? Would you in a zombie movie how

would you This is my new question. And

I'm just I'm just thinking about it

right now, but maybe I'll ask people

moving forward cuz Dr. always inspiring

me.

>> I might just freeze. Is that what you're

about I think you're about to say.

>> Well, I was going to say it kind of gets

into like conflict styles.

>> Oh gosh. Yeah.

>> But it is

>> sometimes I think I think with conflict

I freeze.

>> Mhm.

>> Which isn't always the bad choice. You

don't like you're not fanning the

>> I just noticed it about myself though.

>> So if zombies were coming I' I guess I'd

freeze.

>> You'd turn into a statue.

>> Yes. And you'd hope that they went by.

>> We can't end on this note. We can't cut

this.

>> We can't.

Let's sing the song from Chadwick.

>> Oh, okay. The chant.

>> So Chadwicks was an ice cream place that

Drach and I worked at.

>> Not at the same time.

>> Not at the same time. But I I have to

say probably the highest percentage of

SNL people from any ice cream place.

>> Probably two.

>> Yeah.

>> And um

>> it was a purple building.

>> Okay. I'm going to put I'm going to do a

lip balm break before we sing. Do you

want Do you need any? No, I think I'm

okay.

>> Okay. Um, so it was a purple building.

>> Purple building ice cream.

>> You had to wear styrofoam barber shop

quartet hat.

>> You had to We alt often had a kazoo.

>> We often had a kazoo. And I feel like we

were both attracted to the drama and the

showmanship.

>> The show not drama. The showmanship of

Chadwicks because when it was someone's

birthday, you got a free Sunday.

>> Yeah.

>> And um they did not check. So people

came in a lot. That's right. with

birthday Sundays. But then there was a a

little ch birthday chant they did and it

went like this.

>> Ladies and gentlemen, we're happy to

have you here at Chadwick today, but

we're especially happy to have Amy

because she came here to celebrate her

birthday. So, at the sound of the drum,

please join in singing Amy a loud

embarrassing

happy birthday.

Then they would order a giant ice cream

and it was called the belly buster. And

it was carried out by two two men

holding a stretcher thing with a big

bowl in the middle of it that had Oh,

and then this was a separate thing. If

you ordered the belly buster, there was

an announcement for the belly buster.

And it went something like this.

>> Ladies and gentlemen, we're happy to

have you here at Chadwick today

>> to introduce you to the belly buster.

10 scoops of ice cream, five different

toppings, mounds and MOUNDS OF WHIPPED

CREAM, cherries and nuts. Chadwick's own

belly buster. And then we'd like do like

drum drum

and then the two guys would come up. The

thing in the stretch are like pretending

to struggle under its weight and then it

would land at the table and if you ate

rumor had it the lore was that if you

ate the belly buster by yourself, you

got it for free.

>> That's right.

>> Do you remember that?

>> Yep. And there used to be like teen boys

>> vomiting.

>> Vomiting and drinking the ice cream

juice

>> in an attempt to get it done in time.

>> Yeah, the vomit was separate from the

ice cream juice.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The teen boys were

trying to get it done and I I don't

think I ever saw it happen.

>> I don't think I did either,

>> Laura. But Laura says

>> now Chadwick no longer exists.

>> Nope. It's uh just in a landfill filled

with ghosts.

>> An interview for my podcast.

>> The ghost of Chadwicks.

But that's a good ending. That's a good

ending.

>> Okay. Okay.

>> Love you, Drewie.

>> Love you. This was fun.

>> So fun. Thanks for doing it, buddy. And

thank you again. I really do owe you a

lot. Always in my life and in on this

show. So come back anytime and bring

your headphones always.

>> Hold on.

>> Well, we're going to wrap it up.

>> Okay, there. Well, now they're clean.

>> Well, we still can't get them.

>> This isn't a good ending. Okay.

>> Well, it's it is still hard for you to

get them on, though.

>> Okay,

>> here we go. And

What the Oh, here we go.

Nailed it. Dr. out.

Thank you, Dr. You are the best. My baby

Droo, my little Ray Ray. Um, thank you

for coming on. And, um,

you know, we talked a lot about a lot of

things. you know, the idea that, you

know, life can be a a series of

interesting and unexplainable events

and, uh, it can be really woowoo if you

let it. And so, um, as part of this

Polar Plunge, I do want to just remind

everyone to check out Rachel Drach's

podcast, Woo Woo. Um, her and her

co-host, Irene, um, they, uh, listen to

people's interesting, ghosty, spooky

stories. they get into uh that that um

those chills that you get when something

weird or unexplainable happens. And so

uh check out that podcast. I um have

gone on the podcast and I have said um

that I've never seen a ghost and um I'd

like to keep it that way. So I'm fine

with that. Um but if you have seen a

ghost, contact Woo Woo and not me. Okay.

Um but good for you. And um it's not a

competition, but um I am glad I uh I

didn't. Um okay, thanks for listening.

Bye.

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Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and me

Amy Polar. The show is produced by The

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