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Hello everyone. Welcome to another

episode of Good Hang. Boy, what a guest

we have today. Um, my brother, um, Nick

Offerman, uh, who, uh, as you know, was

instrumental in making Parks and

Recreation the hit that it was and

played the beloved Ron Swanson and is

just a wonderful friend, person, actor.

We talk about so many good things today.

We talk about um uh Parks and Wreck

getting the job, how it felt to be on a

show um that meant so much to us. We

talk about Cleopatra, how he feels about

her, and would he hit that. And um we

also um talk about his book, Little

Woodchucks, his amazing new book that is

out now, and how he feels deeply about

how important it is to make things. So,

um please uh uh please start get ready

for Nick Offererman. But before we get

to Nick, we always do this thing, right?

We talk to somebody who knows Nick. We

get a question to ask Nick. And we have

the wonderful Aubrey Plaza joining us.

Aubrey April Lgate. Um, you know her,

you love her. She's zooming in from New

York. Plazi.

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I wanted

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>> Hello.

>> Hi, Claus.

>> Hi.

>> Hi. Thank you for doing this. I know

you're about to go. I think you're about

to go on stage.

>> Oh my god. Have you been sitting there

since the last time I did your podcast?

>> Yeah.

>> I'm so sorry.

>> I live here now.

>> Oh my god. And I know you don't have a

lot of time, but I there's I felt like

there was nobody better to ask a

question to Nick Offererman than you.

>> Oh, I know. Well, first of all, you know

that we are birth brothers.

>> Yeah, talk about that.

>> Nick and I have the same birthday, June

26, the day that the Pied Piper led the

children of the rats into the water.

[snorts]

Real story, folks.

>> [laughter]

>> And you can feel the pi piper energy

coming out, you know, of both of us.

Jason Schwarzman also has a birthday on

June 26. So does Paul Thomas Anderson

actually, but he's not in our club yet.

But um

yeah, so we have this like birthday text

message chain, which I almost want to

read out loud because it's so funny

because the it we only write on it on

our birthday and it's always it's so

it's always like in medieval talk.

>> It's you and Nick and Jason Schwarzman.

>> Me, Nick, and Schwarzman. Yeah. Can you

read just Yeah. Can you read just a

little bit of it?

>> Okay, hold on. I got my phone.

>> Okay, [laughter]

>> this is like sacred territory. Okay,

here's one that Nick wrote. Mighty

power. This was a couple years ago.

Mighty powers and health to you, my

fellow birthday triplets. Let us dance

under the moon and delight Gaia for

another 12 moons with our dark japes.

An an emoji that I can't don't want to

describe. [laughter]

Um, this is another one from Nick. Dear

my birthday beauties, it's 9:00 a.m. on

our birthday in New Zealand, and I'm

sending you both a massive load of my

wholesome.

Oh, earth sign love. I thought it said

urine when I read it on my birthday, but

now I'm seeing it. Now I'm seeing it

[clears throat] clearly.

>> I thought he said a massive load of my

urine.

>> That would sounds like it could be him,

but earth sign love, which

>> Oh, earth sign love. And Ursan I believe

is is bear like right bear like

>> oh the bear right I wrote back and my

load to you my brother [laughter]

>> but it was a different load that I was

talking about. [laughter]

Um that's just a little taste.

>> That's a little taste and it's it is how

Nick talks. Do you remember meeting him

for the first time?

>> I think it was probably literally on

set. I don't remember. I think he scared

me. You know at first he scared me a

lot. Why?

>> In a good way. Um I No, just because I

think No, he was so funny, but I was

always like trying to replicate his like

behavior on set. Like I'll never forget

I mean you guys all taught me how to

really be on set because I didn't, you

know, I didn't really I'd only done one

job so I didn't know. But like I

remember Nick kind of put not put me in

my place but like kind of reminded me of

something. I probably told you the

story, but like where I was like, you

know how when you're on set you get

treat like actors get treated like

babies and it's so such a weird vibe

like when I haven't worked for a while

and then I go back I'm like this is so

weird. No wonder why actors get so weird

cuz everyone treats you like a baby like

you can't do anything.

>> And I remember like I was just sitting

in my little chair or something and I

wasn't doing anything for a while and

one of the PAs came up and was like do

you need anything? And I was like, "Uh,

sure. I'd take a coffee or something

like that." And then Nick was sitting

next to me like reading a book or

something and he looked over and he

went, "Don't forget that you can get up

and get your own coffee. [laughter] It's

right over there."

And I know that sounds kind of like an

thing to say, but I didn't take

it like that. I was like, "You're

right." I was like, I don't need

that little PA over there to get to walk

over there in my eyesight and pour me a

cup of coffee. I'm like, because you get

in that zone on set where you just turn

into like a couch potato where you're

like,

>> and he it like jolted me. I was like,

I'm never going to ask for coffee again.

Ever.

>> It's so It's so true. And you never

have. And anytime anyone brings you

coffee, you just throw it in their face.

>> I slap it on the bottom so it goes

>> [laughter]

>> not only the liquid, but the cup right

on their forehead.

>> The He's He's so um he is very paternal

and he was very paternal on set. Like

when Nick was there, he would know his

lines and he loved to goof around, but

he wanted to get the job done. Like he

was daddy energy for sure.

>> Yeah, he was daddy. And but he really

did have you you both though you both

had such a perfect balance of like

professionalism but f and fun and I and

I it was a very very good for me to

witness cuz it was like I wanted to I

wanted to be good for him and for you

like I always wanted to be prepared and

but then also be ready to around

and yeah I love I love that about

working with Nick.

>> Yeah. Um,

>> and I have to say like the the April and

Ron stuff started early. I think it was

season one when you two started doing

stuff together.

>> Mhm.

>> And it was really helpful for both of

your characters. [laughter]

>> It was so helpful. I think it I'm trying

to remember. I have one memory of like

that remember that episode when we were

like in the grocery store

>> or something. I think that was one of

those early on ones. I I'm thinking I

think there was an episode in season one

when he hurts his neck and

>> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Right. And he's stuck in the chair.

>> Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And then I like go I like go

into his I like stand in his office

>> and I'm like I'm like kind of his

assistant that day or something and we

we barely say like anything to each

other. Yeah.

>> We just like stare at each other and

then like it's almost like we're

telepath we were telepathic.

>> Yeah. Both of you are very good at

saying little and talking slowly.

>> Exactly. [laughter]

>> And it's funny that he uses the word

earth sign because he really is like

one could classify him as a bear. He is

a bear.

>> He is a bear

>> and he's a he's a man in a very um you

know you don't find a lot of like men

who can build things. I mean,

>> Mhm.

>> in this profession.

>> I actually I wonder if if if he if

that's a lie,

>> I don't think he can. I don't think he's

actually doing it.

>> It's so weird saying I've never actually

seen him build anything.

>> You ever seen him with a hammer? I

haven't.

>> Nope.

>> And I've seen where he does it, but

there's other people in there.

>> So true. And he comes in and says, "I

made this canoe." And it's like,

>> when? Yeah. When?

>> Yeah.

>> When exactly? [laughter]

>> What question do you think I should ask

him?

>> What does it feel like when you jerk off

to every episode of Parks and Wreck when

you're watching?

>> Let's get a real question that I can

actually ask him.

>> All right. Okay. I have two questions.

Okay. One, have you ever seen a ghost?

>> I want to hear like if he has any like

other realm stories.

>> Oo, interesting. I I don't know where he

would land on that in the on the woo woo

scale of being open to that.

>> Me neither. Me neither. Like for real, I

want to ask him. Yeah. Like do you

believe like do you believe in ghosts?

Like do you believe in that? Have you

have do you have a good story?

>> And do you believe in hell?

>> No. Don't ask him that.

>> I won't.

>> Um

>> believe me, I won't. [laughter]

>> Okay.

>> Okay. Uh how about do you remember a

good time we had working together?

>> Sorry. Sorry. You're right. No, you're

right. You're right. I just immediately

want to know like [laughter]

if you had to haunt one person

in the afterlife, [laughter]

who would it be? And also,

how'd you get started in showbiz? I

[laughter] don't know. Or any am I are

these is this anything? [laughter]

>> Yeah, these are good. These are good.

>> Okay, here's my real question. Okay.

>> If Bill and Ted's excellent adventure

happened to you in real life, what time

period would you go to and who would you

fight? [laughter]

>> Perfect.

>> You know, he's going to have some stupid

to say.

>> Perfect question.

>> Okay, good.

>> That's perfect. Who would you fight?

>> And would you take me with you?

>> Yeah,

>> cuz you know you want to. You know you

want to. I mean, I have to say you guys

were like a strong duo for a million

reasons, but both you and Nick have a

fortitude, like a way where you could

face you. You you guys are very

emotionally and physically strong. Like,

you mean you and Nick were the only two

cast members to play on the Parks and

Wreck softball team.

>> That's right. Still got my uniform.

>> Um, all right. Well, that we got our

question. I don't want to keep you okay

with time. All right. I'm going to Not

okay with time. I'm actually But but why

do you want to do something? [laughter]

>> No, but you told me you were going in 15

minutes. Okay, then I'm good.

>> I'm out, baby. I'm out. Watch me. In

less than an hour, I'm going to be on

that stage ripping apart.

>> What do you have to do between now and

the show? I am interested. Before I let

you go, what's your routine?

>> Um, I'm literally supposed to be there

in like 20 minutes. I'm going to get a

shower. I'm discussing right now.

>> Oh, you're at home. [laughter] Okay.

You're not at the theater. We're Okay. I

didn't time my day out very well.

>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you for doing

this.

>> But I can actually do anything.

>> Yeah.

>> If I really put my mind to it.

[laughter]

>> It's gonna be a nightmare getting a cab.

I This is what I literally am going to

do.

>> Yeah.

>> Get a shower in like the mo in like 2

minutes.

>> I believe in you.

>> Then I'm going to run to 6th Avenue and

I literally mean it. I'm going to run.

It's rush hour and I'm going to hail a

cab and that cab's going to fly me up

there and it's going to be exhilarating.

And then I'm just gonna I'm just hope I

won't, you know, hope I can get myself

in character in time. I'll start in the

cab.

>> I'm gonna let you go right now.

Codependently, I'm worried about you.

And um Okay. Thank you for doing this.

Thank you, Plazy. Love you. Miss you.

>> Love you. Love you and love, Nick.

>> Yeah.

>> And Okay.

>> Okay. Thank you.

>> All right. I hope you get out of there

sometime. Okay. [laughter]

Okay. Drink water. Okay. [music]

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Hold on. Sit down on the mic. Get on the

mic so I can Oh my god, Nick. Okay,

listeners, Nick has brought me a bag of

treats.

>> Well,

>> God, I love What do we got? What do we

got?

>> We talk about making things.

>> Yes. Which we will.

>> Um, this this is uh the first project in

my book is a slapstick

>> little woodchucks

>> because and I thought you would

appreciate this. Um, when Lee and I Do

you remember Lee, by the way?

>> Of course. Yeah.

>> Um, we've had so much fun. We go on tour

and Lee does wood. She makes one of

these on stage with a bench

>> while I sing and I'm a jackass. And when

we were pick when we were figuring out

the projects for the book, I said,

"Look,

>> I'm any kid that you go in the woods

with and you're like, let's find a good

stick. Let's let's make something."

>> A good percentage of kids are going to

be like, "This is a sword or a gun or

like this is

>> an implement of violence. Let's make war

or whatever."

>> Yeah. It's it we do, you know, I hate

that about [clears throat] us, but we

have it. So, I said we have to have a

weapon in the book, but [laughter] I

have a comedy weapon,

>> the slapstick.

>> May I see?

>> Yeah.

>> So, for those that don't know, the word

slapstick came from this. And this says

butt joint on it,

>> which is a type of of wood joint. It's

not something pur,

>> you know. I've never used a slapstick.

>> Many haven't. I mean, I had never heard

of one. It's from like Comedia Delarte

or Punch and Judy shows use them

>> and it's and the great the great thing

is you can pretend to hit people

>> and it and it makes a noise and you know

and so you make a reaction.

>> Yes.

>> And you have comedy.

>> You can do spanking. You can do fake

spankings.

>> Um I want to talk about your uh book and

all the stuff you make in it. And what

before Well, hold on. You also brought a

water bottle. Oh yeah. Sorry.

>> Is that your Offerman wood shop water

bottle?

>> It is. Yeah. But that I you know

>> I have that too. I have one of those.

>> I just got rid of the one you gave me.

That huge one from making it.

>> Yeah.

>> I finally wore it out like a month ago

and I replaced it.

>> Are you a big um We're going to get into

a lot of stuff today, but how much water

do you drink a day?

>> Generally, I've been doing a lot of

working out because I did a a job where

I had to work out.

>> Brag.

>> Uh not a not a huge deal. Um, I got

[laughter]

Well, I got super jacked for

>> How much can you lift? Like, what do you

lift in these days?

>> Um, two I I lift uh uh uh Cyber Trucks.

[laughter] I do two Cyber Trucks.

>> You go up to them and lift them up.

>> And then I put people in them.

Uh but I I I got crazy. I And then I did

actual wrestling.

>> Oh my god.

>> I trained with a wrestler. [laughter]

There's so many places to go from what

you just told me because number one,

I've wrestled with you in a small way on

set and you're very strong.

>> Thank you.

>> Um, you have the body like you have the

carriage of someone who I feel like

would be good at wrestling. Did you

wrestle when you're in high school?

>> I tried. I I my uncle was a wrestler and

I I tried wrestling and it and quite

honestly my dad was a was great at

basketball and baseball. Yeah. So, I

went out for wrestling uh one year and

was like, "No thanks." It was really

hard.

>> Yeah, it's so hard.

>> It and and I wasn't I wasn't great. Um I

was uh I didn't I didn't have the fire

to to like to overcome to

>> the vision quest, if you will.

>> Yeah. Exactly.

>> And in your 50s though, when you have to

get buff, that's hard.

>> I was unable to approach the lunatic

fringe. [laughter]

>> Um but I' I've always loved being an

athlete. Yeah. Uh, and so, um, I've

always maintained an athleticism, but,

uh, it it was actually pretty fun. I

worked with a this great trainer named

Grant Roberts who does this. Yeah.

>> And he's super good at it. And it

actually was only four times a week, 1

hour each,

>> and there was nothing crazy. A bunch of

protein.

>> But remember when Pratt was doing um,

Guardians, like he had to eat crazy

amounts of food all the time.

>> The good thing is I'm a former pro

wrestler. [laughter]

your character was.

>> There's there's no like shower scene

where I'm like langangerously, you know,

showing my Chris Pratt abs,

>> right?

>> Uh, in fact, it's in my contract with

that language. [laughter]

>> Um, I'm glad we're talking about sports

cuz I kind of want to start with young

Nick Offerman today in high school in

Manuka, Illinois. Like athletic kid in

the drama club.

>> Well,

>> and I'm not saying that those two things

don't go together. It's just in the 80s

like what was it like being a drama kid

and a sports kid? The thing is, I there

wasn't a lot of culture. And when I say

this, I love my town and like and my

family, but like there wasn't um there

wasn't a lot of counterculture or

>> uh so so like we had the Beatles, but

only their first three records, you

know? Like [laughter] when I got to

college and they were like, "Check out

the White Album." I was like, "What?

[laughter]

I already loved Please Me." Um, and so

there like the the drama kids weren't

fully drama kids and the jocks weren't

fully jocks

>> cuz I think the school in town were

small enough

>> and there just wasn't a lot to do. I I

was definitely a polymath and I think it

was just because I

>> I didn't I hadn't figured out what I was

going to do and so I was just kind of

trying everything.

>> Do you remember what made you try out

for your first play? like like you know

>> I definitely there there's a famous in

my family there's a famous uh like uh

Super Eight movie from our fishing cabin

when I was like 11 and and it was when

you go to the Cubs game and you get a

free jersey 3/4length like white body

blue sleeves cubs and on the back was a

Keebler elf uh tree and the Keebler

elves sponsored the jersey and uh I'm in

that jersey and and the camera's going

around every family member and they're

all like ducking away from the camera

and it gets to me kind of literally

going like just pointing at myself and

making faces like you have if you have a

camera you you found the right

>> Isn't that funny that like you can see

that sometimes in people where they're

like even just your reflection in a in

in like the store window or a mirror

like I used to do commercials on my

bathroom sink in the mirror to myself

just like one day

>> I'm going Someone's gonna be looking at

my face.

>> I mean, Megan had the my my champion

wife Megan Mali had the wherewithal.

[clears throat]

>> She knew like when she was a kid, she

would sit in a room and and do Barbara

Stryand records into a hairbrush

>> to the point where she could now

perfectly she's like a Broadway star

because she did that.

>> Yeah. I didn't have any like I knew I

wanted to entertain and I knew that I

loved Jim Ignatowski, Christopher

Lloyd's character on Taxi.

>> Oh yeah.

>> Where I was like that guy is so weird

and like scary but he's super funny.

>> I feel like that's somehow that's what

I'm drawn to.

But I had no, it wasn't until

late in when I was trying to figure out

where to go to college that I was like,

"Oh, you can I can try and do acting as

a job." And you know, very early on in

your career and my career, we meet in

Chicago and we're both kind of in

Chicago in the early 90s trying stuff

just like, you know, trying to get hired

and but how do you get to Chicago from

like how do you move there? I had this

crazy moment uh where I was I took my

girlfriend who was a year older than me

to audition at the University of

Illinois for their dance department. And

to this day, it's so miraculous. I must

have been loitering in the hallway

[laughter] because these two theater

students who I then came to know, I

don't remember how it started. I wish I

had a a film of this. They they were

somehow it was like, "Hey kid, why are

you loitering in the hallway of the

theater facility and somehow we we

struck up a conversation and they said

they were theater students and I said,

"What does that mean?" And they said,

"You can study acting." And I was like,

"You got to be kidding me."

Like, [laughter] because I told my

guidance counselor at school that I want

to be an actor and he was like, "That's

not available. You can't do that."

>> And then I said I want to be a musician.

And he was like, "Come on.

What are you going to do with that?

>> That'd be really interesting to dig into

this guy's forgotten dreams

>> for sure.

>> Sounds like there was a lot going on

with him.

>> But they had told me you can't be an

actor. So then I met these students that

were like, "We're going to the UN like

this great state school. They have a

conservatory program." And and I said,

"Okay, so you you become an actor, then

what?" And they said, "You can get paid

to do plays in Chicago." And I was like,

you I took them by the lapels of their

coat and was like, are you

kidding me? [laughter]

They told me you can't that this you

can't do.

>> I heard no one makes any money.

>> I did. I had no idea that this was I I I

just want to say I relate cuz I didn't

know anyone who was an actor growing up.

And although I wasn't discouraged in

that way, it just didn't seem like a

job. It was like, what do you mean like

be an actor? Yeah.

>> Like it just seemed like that's stupid.

And so we meet in n in the early 90s in

the attic of a house.

>> That's right. All I remember is that you

always love to punch me in the arm.

>> Yeah. I have a thing about

>> I took as a compliment

>> big time. Uh it is it's a love tap

really. But, you know, I I think you

know, and again, I might this might be

revisionist history, but I remember when

we met, I you felt very familiar to me,

even though, you know, we hadn't we

didn't know each other, even though at

the time you were in kind of in deep

character for a play. [snorts]

>> Oh, right. It was That's right. Cuz it

was during Clockwork Orange at Stephen

Wolf and I

>> uh was riding a big motorcycle and I had

a shaved head. I was experimenting with

what Nick was going to turn out to be

like. Um, [laughter] I had a shaved

head, but I kept the front inch of my

hair, right,

>> down into a full beard and I dyed it

different manic panic like punk colors.

So, it looked really scary.

>> Really scary. And it is the thing about

you that's so great to your to the

Jimnatelli of it all, which is like you

are able to look scary, but you're not

not a scary person at all.

>> Which uh which I've learned to

appreciate. There was a time when I'd be

like, "Shut up." I'd pull my knife out

on you if you [laughter] said that.

>> Yeah. But

>> and then I'd apologize.

>> Yeah. I mean, I remember talking to you,

I guess, punching you in the arm. I

remember talking about the play that you

were in. I remember that company and you

know, at the time in Chicago, there were

like different ways into the same

creative experience. I feel like they

are kind of a big soup now, but at the

time it was very important that like

serious theater and then improv and

sketch and they were like never the

twain shall meet.

>> I tell you something, I so this is like

uh early to mid '9s. I was so ignorant

even then that if I had I had no idea

that

>> like I was a big fan of SNL as a kid. If

I [clears throat] had any idea that

there was a pipeline to that you you

know what I mean that you guys had even

could get an audition or anything. I had

no idea. In fact, I remember just

thinking like you guys so you guys make

stuff up in a bar. Like what? We we're

performing works of literature.

[laughter]

>> Yeah. Believe me, we felt that vibe and

we were like, "Yeah, we know. It's uh we

have some notes. It's 3 [laughter] hours

long."

>> Yeah.

>> I have to say, if I may just digress,

you have some of the best posture.

>> Wow. Thank you.

>> of any friend of mine. And it feels like

that. Thanks a lot.

>> And that feels like it comes from a core

training, like a you have great posture.

>> I do. I mean, I um Thank you. I I It's

something that I do have to think about,

especially after our show. Everything I

got offered was like somehow overweight

uh barbecue master

>> and it's all these guys in their tidy

whies in the mirror crying some one way

or another. [laughter]

And the first couple I was like, "This

is interesting." And then I realized,

oh, I need to I need to stay in shape

>> so that I can get a variety.

>> That's Well, you you love to transform

your bod. You are you come from a

physical body place with a lot of your

characters

>> and and and I do feel like it's,

>> you know, so Ron Swanson on Parks and

Recreation had a physicality to him that

felt like you understood really early on

um and played with

>> and you talked about it a lot. It's

really interesting to me. But before we

get to that, because I do want to talk

about that, let's just talk about you

getting that part. I know you've spoken

about it a lot, but I think the

physicality was part of the part was

like what you understood really fast

about him cuz you're right. If you in

the wrong hands, he's a joke. He's a

total clown.

>> Sure. Um, sorry, I'm I'm being a little

moved by uh we we've never talked about

our show. I And I also haven't seen our

show.

>> Wait, are you crying?

>> No, I'm not crying. [laughter]

>> I thought you were gonna cry.

>> I was thinking about this pork dish.

[laughter]

>> We haven't talked about our show.

>> No, we haven't. And that and it's

>> I mean, we've talked about it with each

other all the time. But

>> for sure, but but not in this.

>> No, not publicly. I mean, where do we

even start?

>> People totally like it.

>> I just listen. I just came here from a a

book tour in the UK.

>> Yeah.

>> And guess how I close every show? I play

5,000 Candles. And I had the these

incredible these two sisters named Flo

and Joan opening for me. You would

They're these super funny sisters who do

funny songs. And I mean, when you say

I'm in a crowd, a theater of 2,000

people and you just say Parks and

Recreation or Ron Swanson, the the roof

flies off the place.

>> I know. And you're just like, you guys,

that was a long time.

>> It was a long, you know, my son just

turned 17, which is when we started the

show, 17 years ago.

>> Holy cow.

>> And I know, think about that. [laughter]

And the fact that there's still people

are still dressing up for Ron Swanson at

Halloween and people said that you got

us through the pandemic and people are

saying my kid's just starting it. And

like it's it's unbel I don't I mean I

know we knew I got to say and I I think

I can speak for us both. We were old

enough and I don't know maybe a little

like we knew what we had at the time you

and me. We really did

>> for sure

>> and we tried to enjoy every minute of it

but like Ron Swanson is would be in the

hall is in the hall of fame of

characters. I mean he is he is this

person that people feel con what is it

like

almost 20 years later interacting with

that kind of work like how do people

interact with you

>> it's interesting I mean mostly first of

all I'm so stupidly grateful like from

start soup to nuts and also people are

so nice to me and respectful I think of

Ron like [laughter] people approach me

with the difference and also a little

fear.

>> Yeah.

>> Um but they're they are really polite to

me where I they I usually have to say

please call me Nick or you know cuz

they're shaking and they're scared.

>> Mr. Swanson if I may.

>> Yeah.

>> May I approach Mr. May I approach the

bench?

>> They do. And um and so I'm for all of

that. Um I'm I'm super grateful. It's

certainly weird too. there there are

thorns on the rose or or or pits in the

peach of like

um Ron's politics or or Ron's what Ron

represented sort of as a paradigm

>> uh some people with poor uh reading

comprehension were like oh he's he's a

shotgun guy like finally [clears throat]

>> so they so they mistook Ron for sort of

things they wanted to represent in

themselves

>> yeah And usually it was something

old-fashioned or right-wingish like

misogynistic or Yeah.

>> or violent or anything like that.

>> And so that's been weird too where

people love the character and I've even

had people argue with me online where

they'll say something about

like they'll say Ron definitely would

have voted for this jerk. And I'll and

I'll be like hang on hang on one second.

And I'll call Mike, sure, the main

creator and writer, and say this,

somebody said this, do you? And he would

give me a par he, you know, he would

whip out a perfect paragraph of that's

hilarious, right? But also, why Ron, for

example, anybody that went from the

world of business to the world of

politics, Ron would think was a fool

because Ron's like, "What are you doing?

You were a [laughter] capitalist."

And so then I would, you know, this is

back when I used to participate when

social media wasn't just a cesspool.

>> Yeah.

>> But I I would go back and say, "Mike,

here's what Mike sure says." [laughter]

>> And they'd say, "Nope."

>> They would say, "No, he you guys don't

know. You guys don't know about Rod

Swanson." And I was like, "Well,

[laughter] I'm just going to leave it at

there." Like,

>> "Yeah,

>> I I thought I did, but I guess you got

me on that one." Do people come up to

you and say, "People call me Ron

Swanson?"

>> Yeah,

>> I get that a lot with Leslie Nope.

People say, "I'm like Leslie Nope." And

usually that means like, to your point,

it can mean a bunch of different things.

It can mean I work hard and I'm fighting

the good fight. It can mean I kind of

drive everybody crazy and I talk too

much and I'm, you know, like it can mean

a million things.

>> Sure. I I mean I I feel like when I

think of Leslie Nope, I I think of her

bulliance the most like that that

sometimes and sometimes when people are

like that it's a very heroic

characteristic but it can be too much.

>> Yeah.

>> Because you're like okay like I I'm

doing what you asked me to do. Uh but

and when people say that to me about Ron

Swanson, it it's like it usually means

their tacern

>> like [laughter] and and they're like,

>> you know, like I imagine a husband in

the grocery store

>> carrying like 112 pounds of stuff and

his wife's like, "Let's just get a

cart." He's like, "No, I got this. I got

it. Just keep going."

And so being too stubborn or like

relying too much on

>> I could just remember us doing scenes

together and I would have a hundred

words to your one

[laughter] and I would just circle

around you in that office just like and

you would just sit and watch me and the

it it was like old archetypes of like

the you know different two different

animals in the same room basically and

that was What's was so fun is playing

those energies and then as we got more

comfortable like flipping those energies

and having fun with those energies. But

like those early days of just being able

to just kind of come in and buzz around

while you stood your ground was so fun.

That was really fun game and and just

picturing that you describing it and me

picturing it [laughter] made me think

>> there's that giggle

>> of Shauna Mway tweep on Bcam on a on a

scooty scooter

>> and she she we would always make her

laugh and she would slam into the wall

behind her.

>> Yeah. The camera operators were in the

room with us a lot and they we they were

part of the family for sure and we would

make them laugh. And um you talk pretty

you don't talk as slow. You you talk

differently than Ron, but you talk

pretty slow.

>> I I'm the slowest talking. Like,

>> how do you do that?

>> I don't know. Anything that I see myself

in. [laughter]

Even now, I'm like, pick it up, man.

Like, what is your deal?

>> Oh my god. I'm the exact opposite. I'm

like, babe, take a breath, dude.

[laughter] I mean, now that I have a

podcast, I hear myself and I'm like,

and I'm like, whoa. It's weird to what

especially when people enjoy when people

like praise some acting work and I and

you know I I have to watch everything

like like like watching your baseball

swing to make you know see what's

working

and every time I'm I speak my dialogue

at

>> I feel like could you I feel like I can

do an impression of you. Can you do an

impression of me?

>> I I would never want to.

>> Really? I'm going to do you right now to

your face. I don't have it in me.

[laughter]

>> Well, I have it in me.

>> When you were playing Ron uh on the

show, what did you do? Like what were

some like ways to get into that

character? Like was was it wardrobe? Was

it the mustache? Was it

>> I mean the it's it's funny. Uh Megan,

we've been together for 25 years and

only about 5 years ago. God bless her. I

mean, you've seen the crazy ways I I I I

never get cast as like goodlooking

people. So, I get I get cast as I'm

like, "Okay, great. I'm going to shave

the top of my head off and have like

Larry from the Three Stooges hair." And

Megan's like there there was one time I

was doing a play and she wouldn't let me

get in bed cuz I looked so upsetting and

[laughter] I slept on the couch for two

nights before I figured out I could put

on a stocking cap [laughter]

and then I got in. But she 5 years ago

she finally said, "You know what? I

really don't like your facial hair."

>> BLESS her heart.

>> I know. after 20 years of it. She's I

mean I think she has liked it at times

but it's a it's a practical thing where

she said it's a mouthful of thistles

like

>> yeah some we're getting into it she it's

and I was like well when you put it that

way it is like a bristle brush it's like

the kind of brush that people farmers

have to get the mud off your work boots.

It's a really stiff brush

>> and if you have sensitive skin at all

and you have a makeout sesh you can just

be totally redfaced.

>> Right.

>> Yeah. And so and and and so now we

negotiate. Uh so I've got some work and

so I'm maintaining a mustache for the

moment, but in a couple weeks I'll be

shaving it.

>> Yeah.

>> And something I've noticed is my talking

changes.

>> Oh.

>> When I have the mustache, I call it a my

constipative rectus. It's like a a sort

of invisible clamp comes over me

>> and and things become more stenuran and

more like Sam the Eagle from the Muppets

like where my I can feel my brow more

and when I shave

>> I look 15 years younger and I [laughter]

and I just become boyish where I'm just

like

>> okay guys.

>> Yeah, what's up?

>> Um but do you give free mustache rides

until you shave your mustache?

[laughter] I don't

>> You've always charged for mustache,

right?

>> Always charge. Yeah.

>> And I've always thought that was rude.

So, we do this thing where we talk to

someone who knows our guest to get a

question from them.

So, we talk to Aubrey.

>> Oh, Jesus. [laughter]

[snorts]

>> I know. And there's nothing we can use.

It's barely usable. [laughter]

>> Born on the same day. She speaks of that

and she might read us a little bit of

some texts that you guys had back and

forth. [laughter] Nothing bad. Nothing

bad. Um, you guys share a birthday and

um, I feel like there was, you know,

there's so many people that talk about

on the show obviously that we worked

with and that we love, but Ron and

April's relationship to me, especially

in the rewatch, is very special. Most

most of the podcasts so far I'm

willfully not crying by the way.

>> Yeah.

>> Like I I know that you would like some

crying.

>> I don't I don't care either way.

[laughter]

>> Like like if you just say Ron and April

>> I know

>> I'm in trouble. [laughter]

>> Ron and April.

>> I mean there I have a lot of love for uh

all of this subject matter. [laughter]

My

>> Wait, I have tissues. Oh, slap.

[laughter]

>> Don't hit me with the slapstick.

>> Look, I have good hang tissues. Those

are um I'll just keep them here just in

case.

>> All right. [laughter]

>> Um

>> you were saying so. But Ron and April

because because

if we're going to extend the mommy daddy

metaphor definitely Aubrey/Arpil was our

daughter on that show and we both of our

characters kind of helped raise her

>> and loved doing it and by doing it like

any good parent you learn something

about yourself by doing it. Like,

[sighs]

you know, Leslie learned that like her

kind of pushy ambition it needs to be

replaced with like a gentle listening as

to what people want and need from her.

And Ron learned what? [clears throat]

>> Ron didn't learn anything. [laughter]

Ron learned what rap music was.

>> Yeah. Yeah. What? But I mean, what was

it like doing scenes with Aubrey?

I mean, it was uh it was so fun because

she um you know, she could uh she she

could uh meet me in my own game.

>> She took my cuz one of the things one of

the formative things when we started the

show was I said to the guys, I mean, I I

just couldn't believe it. I couldn't

believe that they created a part for me.

Like I I I was so aware that uh if if

someone had said to me, "Write your

dream part."

>> I would have written something so much

stupider [laughter] because I'm not Mike

Sher, you know? Like I would have been

like, "Okay, he's got a he's got

a motorcycle and [laughter] he always

wears t-shirts with no sleeves." Like it

would have been like some 12year-old's

version of like it's he he's like David

Lee Roth [laughter]

>> and it would and it would have been very

superficial. And in my final audition

with you, uh, which I, you know, I had

to audition for five months to get the

job.

>> Wow. I didn't know it was that long.

>> Yeah. It was Well, it started with

>> It started with Adam and I were brought

in to read for a role named Josh,

>> right?

>> And it was it was chemistry reads with

Rashida,

>> right? And you know, if you're going in

to read a chemistry for a TV show, guess

who you don't want to walk in the

door? Adam Scott.

>> Adam Scott. chemistry machine.

charisma. Believe me, I had to

do scenes with him. I was like, "This

guy,

>> I'm his I'm like his [laughter] plumber

if I'm lucky."

>> And u

>> gorgeous. Both of you have gorgeous

hair, though.

>> We Yeah, they were.

>> And And people should know this is your

hair.

>> It is. But they also photographed the

fleshy parts. Um but so so that was

crazy and that didn't work and somehow

Mike and Greg also were stuck on me.

Thank God. I mean they called my agent

and said it's not going to happen.

If you can imagine we're not going to

cast you as someone who Rashidita has to

kiss [laughter]

if you can wrap your head around that.

But we really want you on the show. And

there's this part of of Amy's boss that

should have really been like 20 years

old. Yeah. Yeah. I think they were

thinking a lot older in the beginning.

Yeah.

>> But and I was and I was like I don't

Great. Whatever. And and so then they

had me come in and they read every guy

in the world. So then finally it it it

the net got as wide as possible. Then it

narrowed narrowed narrowed and they

brought me in one more time for like and

and Mike said, "Okay, we're looking at

like eight guys." And then you came to

town and and Mike said, "All right,

we're gonna have you come in and uh and

read with Amy and this is it. This is

going to be it." And it was one of those

things. This happened to me a lot where

I got the job and uh it it blew my mind.

Um

>> also, you cried. We called you and you

cried.

>> Oh, I sobbed my eyes out. I mean, I said

to Mike, I'm going to I was like, I'm

going to I said I'm going to openly

sobb, but I want to stay on the phone.

[laughter]

>> I was 38 years old. Like, I had been

through a lot of experiences where

>> I almost got a life-changing job, and

this one was so much better than any of

them had been.

>> Before we get off of parks, because I do

want to talk about the other stuff that

you have done um and are doing.

Favorite episode? I know it's hard to

pick, but just like, you know, pick one.

>> Don't overthink it.

>> I have two answers in there, and it's

funny. Um, but one is called Ron and

Tammy,

>> and one is called Leslie and Ron, I I

believe.

>> But I mean,

you know, Megan is just

the most wickedly funny person I've ever

met. Uh, and getting to again the

alchemy of of what Mike and the writers

came up with for her to do, you know,

the two of us ba banding together

against this evil librarian, slapping

her face with like a big of beef

jerky. [laughter] Like we're just like

Mike knew that, you know, he was like,

"Do you think Megan [laughter] would uh

>> I'd still have people come up and go,

you really got the library right? those

people over there. I'm like, what? The

people that run the library are like,

Tammy, [snorts]

that's insane.

>> That's so funny.

>> But they they Yeah,

>> but the but then the, you know, the

entire series paying off in this episode

that was such a gift that was like this

crazy oneact play. Yeah. Um

>> Oh god.

>> Oh, here it comes.

[laughter]

[clears throat]

>> I love that episode so much. And it was

so like senior our senior year. That was

the other thing. Totally. It was like

senior year. We got to be in that. We

got a whole week together in that room.

>> That whole thing that they did with

uh where where you know Ron that the

that whole story uh going into that last

season was so gorgeous because they had

laid so much pipe.

>> I know.

>> For Ron to like swallow his pride and

come to ask you for a job and and then

the way it all went down. Um, that was

possibly the greatest thing about the

show for me was the history of of me and

Tammy bred so much hilarity. But then

what developed between Ron and Leslie um

was was the first time in my life that,

you know, that I was counted on by a

show to, you know, to carry uh some

emotional weight.

>> Yeah. And it was and also I think just

like a great example of like the

different kinds of love. I mean we

really lionize romantic love and we'd

make a lot of art about it but there's

so many different ways to love.

>> Yeah. and love, platonic love and

friendship and the idea of like being

there for each other and being going

through things with each other and like

mentor mentee and then equals and then

and just and also just the idea if we're

to really widen out that people don't

have to agree to treat each other with

respect.

>> Totally

>> remember that.

>> Yeah. Um,

okay. Speaking of beautiful roles, Nick,

The Last of Us. Oh my god. Let's both

get a tissue. That was so good, Nick.

>> Well, thank you.

>> That was so beautiful. I mean, I

remember texting you right after and

congrats on winning the Emmy.

>> Yeah. Crazy.

>> I mean, it was so How did you get that

part? Well, [laughter]

I wrote a joke about this uh they needed

a guy who could use a shovel and there

were only three of us in Hollywood.

[laughter]

Harrison Ford passed and Jane Lynch was

not available. [laughter]

Um I uh Craig Mason who wrote that I

mean that everyone knew when you read

that script you were like this is going

to if we don't this up this is

going to

>> Yeah. win awards or whatever. For for

many years, my godson uh had a a little

league team and I sponsored it. It was

the Offerman Wood Shop little league

team and Craig uh was one of my little

league dads. So, I I was just friends

with him from a pretty wholesome place.

Um, and we had expressed some mutual

affection for each other's work over the

years, but I he got a hold of me and was

like, I'm sending you something and you

have to do it. And I read it and it was

funny cuz Megan and I had just had a

talk about

that. I still to this day my vice is

that I overload my calendar with fun

with

>> I have seen that in real time when we

worked on making it together, a really

fun show together. you would tell me

your year and I would think this too

shall not this isn't going to hold too

many things.

>> The problem is it it's I I love it. It's

all it's all but that's that's my

advice. That's my problem.

>> Yeah.

>> And Megan and I had just had a talk

about where I was like, "Okay, I'm going

to

>> take a break.

>> I'm going to I'm going to do less."

>> And this thing came in and it and they

needed me in Calgary for a month and the

I didn't have the month.

>> Yeah. And so, but I read the so I so I

had Megan uh read the script and she was

like, "Guess what, buddy? You're going

to Calgary."

>> Um, okay. We I mentioned it. We made a

really fun show called Making It about

Makers and like the process of making

it. You have little woodchucks, the book

that's all about like your guide to

tools and tom foolery, but it is

the idea of making things has always

been very important to you. You've

spoken about it a lot, the spirituality

of it, like how important it is for your

life, your peace of mind. You work

primarily with wood, but all different

types of material.

Why are you writing you and you've

written many, many books. This book is

for little people. Why is how do you get

little people, young people to get

interested in making things and why is

it important for them to do that?

>> I I just took my mom and dad on this

book tour with me in the UK and we were

just talking about how they brought me

and my siblings up in a house where it

wasn't talked about. They just taught us

all to sustain the family. Like part of

the family was we make things together

whether it's a meal

>> or you know if we are mending our

clothing or building making firewood,

building out buildings, we'd gardened.

Um, and woodworking is a is a great way

to think about what's this made of.

Yeah.

>> And that it's true of everything. Who's

making this?

>> Who made this car? Who made these shoes?

Who made this pie? Are they having a

good time?

>> Yeah.

>> Are they being cool with our resources

the way they're making this car or, you

know,

>> Yeah. Beautiful. I I I you can feel it

in here. It's awesome, Nick. It's so I

love it.

>> Thank you. people are are responding

really well to it because

>> all of us I'm I'm

>> a kid who looks at a screen too much

like we all understand that

>> and making things with each other

whether it's your family or your

neighbors or your co-stars

>> is a great way to not look at a screen

and and still have a delightful life.

Can I show you a prop?

>> Yes, of course. the the thing sitting in

my shop is uh so I wanted to make a

guitar because because I tour and I do

songs and I thought if I if I do that

with a guitar I made

>> amazing

>> I'm done I can just do that for the rest

of my life. Uh guitars are daunting. So

I started with a ukulele.

So, this is a a mahogany ukulele, and

I've got um

>> Wow.

>> 12 of them sitting in my shop that are

just the bodies and the necks waiting to

be put together. Uh

>> this is beautiful.

>> It's instrument. So, I think probably

instruments and boats.

>> Can you play the ukulele? Can you play

some?

>> Let's see if it's in tune. [music]

Um, would you like to hear my ukulele

song?

>> Yes, please. [music]

>> Whiskey, you were sent from heaven

[singing] above. And Ben [music]

Franklin said that beer is proof of

God's love. But too much of either will

earn me [singing] a shove from my wife

whom I'd like to stay the husband of.

I love beer and whiskey. Perhaps a bit

too much given the chance I'd fall off a

bar stool daily to keep me out of the

pub and also out of Dutch. I make things

like this soprano ukulele.

I'll give you one more verse. Everywhere

I go, people staring at a phone. Sitting

in a crowded room completely alone. It

gives me more willies in the twilight

zone. Our brains are hooked on that

like a dog on a bone. Put down your

gadget and look me in the eye so our

interaction [clears throat] can proceed

more gay.

Silence your tablet and ejaculate aside

to the sweetly strumming sounds of

ukulele. [music]

>> AH, NICK, [screaming and applause]

THAT WAS SO GOOD. THERE'S There's more,

but that felt like enough.

>> Now [snorts] you're going to get me

going. Now you're going to get my

waterworks going. Okay, we're going to

end our um our interview today with a

speed round. And um

you don't you

>> got you got the wrong guy for a speed

round.

>> I would [laughter] need you.

>> I should just do one snap or two snaps.

That should be all I'm allowed. Um, but

you mentioned hot takes and people

having hot takes and how we don't really

need hot takes. I want your hot takes on

history and philosophy.

>> Okay.

>> Because I know you love history. You

love philosophy. I'm going to try

lightning round today, but I'm going to

only ask you questions about history and

philosophy.

>> Okay, I'll try to go fast, but that's

that's pretty pretty daunting.

>> Okay, I know. Well, don't worry. It

won't be hard. Aristotle.

Smart or weird? [laughter]

>> Smart. Kier Kagard used different

pseudonyms to debate. What What would be

a pseudonym you would use to debate?

>> Oh. Um, Pyotus

[laughter]

>> Freud. Yes or no?

>> Uh, no.

>> I say no, too. [laughter]

Okay. Um,

true or false? The unexamined life is

not worth living.

>> Uh, true.

>> I think therefore I am. True or false?

[laughter]

>> False.

>> You cannot step twice into the same

river.

>> Oh, true. That's a that's a huge one.

That's that's on my that's on my up on

my board.

>> Is it?

>> Oh, yeah. It's it's something that that

occurs to me a lot. Um, you know,

uh there's nothing you can never

recapture, especially in our business.

Mhm.

>> Um, you know, if like if if we ever uh

had [clears throat] cause to do some

sort of reboot or something of Parks and

Wreck.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh,

it's not the same river.

>> Different river. Yeah.

>> Can't step twice into the same river.

>> No.

>> Uh, I'm a joker. I'm a smoker. I'm a

midnight toker.

>> True.

>> Now we're moving on to history.

>> Okay.

>> What was the coolest thing Egyptians

invented?

man. Uh,

>> in your opinion,

>> this is a guess cuz I don't know. I'm

not sure if that was Egyptians. I was

going to say irrigation.

>> Yeah, I think so.

>> But yeah, they did. If if people

disagree with that, they're wrong.

[laughter]

>> Cleopatra, smash or pass?

>> Uh, pass. [laughter]

>> The Vikings got to America before

>> that is tired.

>> Yeah.

>> The Vikings got to America before

Columbus. Why doesn't anyone talk about

that?

>> Um because uh because the Vikings did

not have good PR.

>> Mhm.

>> Columbus had a great

>> press rep. Columbus didn't even set foot

on the mainland.

>> He like hit [laughter] an island.

[gasps]

>> Um Okay. And now we get to Aubrey's

question for you. So Aubrey had she had

a few questions. Her first one was, "Do

you believe in ghosts?"

>> Okay. Uh no. But but I don't disagree. I

when people do I believe them.

>> Ah, well said. Do you uh do you believe

in hell?

>> No.

>> Um and if you could go back in a Bill

and Ted kind of way where you could

basically you could get zapped back to

any point in history and um

>> sounds like a good movie.

>> And so you've never seen Bill and Ted?

>> No, I missed a lot of stuff.

>> Oh my god. Fun. It's a great one. Well,

anyway, they zap back in like a time

machine. Um right. And Bill Yeah. And

they go back and they're just Bill and

Ted in different in They're just two

dummies. It's like dumb and dumber in a

time machine.

>> Totally.

>> Um and um they So what if you could zap

back in the time machine to any era? Who

where would you go? Who would you fight?

And would you take Aubrey with you?

>> Oh man. Um yeah, if taking Aubrey is an

option, of course. Like and weapons are

involved, by all means. Um, I uh I

suppose I would go uh to the Roman

Empire and

>> I knew it

>> and I would have Aubrey fight them with

her wilds

>> and uh I would discover Cumberland

Sausage and [laughter] take over the

British Isles and become king.

>> Cumberland sausage got made people king

[laughter]

>> in my hands

in this narrative.

>> You'd be the sausage king.

>> God damn right. Yeah. Guys, we guys

[laughter]

we could do this

or

>> follow me.

>> You could try this sausage.

Have you heard of carowway seed? Come

with me.

>> Um, why do you love history so much?

>> Um, I don't

>> Do you?

>> I do. I'm I'm I mean I think because I'm

fascinated with what we are,

you know?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. but also what

incredible creatures we are.

>> Like it's when you look at my own

anybody's the foibless of your own life.

Uh

>> and you look at like I don't know a lot

of what's going on in our in our world

right now. It's astonishing

[laughter]

that the lights are on. Like it's pretty

crazy that that a civilization has even

lasted this long.

>> Do you believe in aliens? I I I'm I'm

agnostic about all that. I I It seems

like there is probably life in the

universe.

>> Yeah.

>> But until I get to shake hands with them

or uh I don't mean to be racist,

whatever their lamb appendages.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

you know, all of all of those things. I

I think I think there's a lot we will

never know as humans and I like dwelling

in that. M

>> so if there are ghosts or spirits uh I

don't I don't I don't think hell exists

cuz that's a fiction written in a book

by people

>> um but uh that that sensibility whatever

the afterlife is um I I don't think

anyone will ever know what it is and so

>> if some people are like I speak to

spirits or whatever I have I have no

cause to disagree with that

>> they just have never talked to mayhem

>> that's a very Ron Swanson answer

actually it's a very libertarian Ian

answer basically which is like

>> to each his own.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Everyone should be allowed you know

their their own trip and to to like what

they like.

>> Um and last question Nick what are you

watching listening where do you go right

now to laugh? Where do you where right

>> there there are two shows uh cuz

I feel like it comes up a lot that

there's not a lot of great it's not a

great time for comedy on television. Um

the the big hits like Hacks and Studio,

those are the make us laugh quite a bit.

But there are two that we've really

loved that I that are more obscure that

I would love to

>> your listeners to know about. One's

Australian and it's called Colin from

Accounts.

>> Yes. Excellent show.

>> So funny and also so heartwarming. Like

really moves me. Then there's one in

England called I think it's called Such

Brave Girls. Do you know that show?

>> I do very well. Cat Cat Sadler.

>> And And I think the credits, the opening

credits, the are the words spelled out

in pubic hair on a tile floor on a

bathroom floor. And that's it's a great

example of the the tone of the show.

>> Yes.

>> It's so delightfully filthy um and so

funny.

>> Um that is a great show. That's a

hilarious show. And those ladies are

great. There's a lot of good stuff out

there. You just got to find it.

>> You just got to find it. [snorts]

>> Um, Nick, did we cover everything?

>> I think we did.

>> I think so. Yeah. You know,

>> did we did weigh in on Aristotle? Yeah,

we did. [laughter]

>> You and you said pass on Cleopatra.

You're not going to smash.

>> Yeah. Come on.

>> I love you.

>> I'm not I'm not gonna step in that river

twice. [laughter]

I mean,

you came all the way from England. You

just landed. Thanks, buddy, for doing

this.

>> I know. Imagine how fast I would talk if

I hadn't just gotten off a plane.

>> What should we just try to do this like

every month?

>> Totally.

>> Um, I love you. Thank you for doing

this.

>> I love you. Thank you.

>> And, um, I can't wait to make something

else with you soon, someday.

>> Amen.

>> Yeah, that would be awesome. But thanks

for make for doing this and making this

and thank you for my slapstick.

>> Oh, is it is it mine?

>> If you would like it.

>> Oh. Oh, no. This is the one you travel

with.

>> By all means. It says it says butt on

it.

>> It does say butt jointed on it.

It scares me a little bit. [applause]

>> Thank you so much, Nick Offerman, for

being here today. I love you and um it's

always good to spend time with you. And

for this polar plunge, I I do want to

just highlight something I didn't get a

chance to talk to Nick about, which is,

you know, we spoke a little bit about

the physicality of Ron Swanson and how

important it was uh for him to figure

out that character, but do yourself a

favor when you're watching Parks and

Recreation. Take a look at how Ron runs.

It's one of my favorite things about

Nick is Ron Swanson runs in a very

specific way. And sometimes he wipes

out. And when he wipes out, it's

beautiful. It's like stunt level

wipeout. But I can't explain it other

than to say it just gives me total

delight uh the choice Nick made to run

the way Ron runs. And um I'm I'm

justiculating for those listening so you

can't see, but it's just so funny. Um

the tucked in shirt, the way Nick sits

when he plays Ron Swanson, the way he

stares, all of that stuff is just like a

masterclass I think in comedic acting.

And um probably you know what a trained

actor learns um and I wouldn't know but

um [laughter]

but anyway look he's that he's a it's a

genius at work watching Nick work and um

so happy he could join us. Thank you for

listening uh to Good Hang and we'll see

you soon. Bye.

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