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Hi everyone, this is Amy Polar. Welcome

to another episode of Good Hang. I'm

very, very excited to uh uh introduce my

next guest, the great Katherine

Han. What can I say about Katherine?

She's a legend. She's so talented,

funny, smart. She can do it all. And um

people love working with her. And I

loved working with her. And today we

talked

about what is her relationship to work,

what is her process, how important is it

for her to feel connected to the stuff

that she does, how is she dealing with

this new version of fame and popularity,

and how is it changing her life? And

also how important female friendships

are and how you really haven't met

everyone you're supposed to meet even at

my age of 53. So, um, I'm really excited

for you to hear what Katherine and I

talked about today. It was a really good

hang. It always is with her. So, check

it out. But before we start, guess who

we have as a special guest today talking

about Katherine Han and hanging in the

studio. Oh, only Patty Leone if her Zoom

ever works.

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Patty, are you there? Have you joined

us? She's not. She's not there. She's

still She's still not there. Okay, just

so just to give you guys an update,

Patty just checked in and said, "Got it.

I'll have to be on my phone. Okay.

Putting on slap

now. Uh I don't know what that means.

I'm gonna say Okay. Haha. Okay. Thanks

so much. Okay. This is fun. So, I don't

know what putting on slap means. It

either means she's slapping on makeup or

that's some kind of Broadway term. There

you are. Wait, is that a term putting

slap on? Yeah, slap is a an expression

from for makeup. Yeah, putting slap on.

H. I love you, daddy.

I love you, too, darling. Let me just

put a little more slap on. So, what are

you doing these days? Singing. Are you

Yeah. Are you Do you have a show

tonight? No, I have a show on Monday,

but what I have tonight is um an opera.

You're attending it or you're singing?

No, I'm I'm attending it. Um my friend

um is taking me Let me just get the eye

shadow on. Darling, who can talk when

you're, you know, putting eye shadow on?

But I'll try. Uh, my friend that wrote

it is here because it just premiered and

we're going to the senior citizen

special. He's calling it dinner at

5:30. The opera starts at 7 and it's

three hours long. And so we're going to

go and have dinner at the Met and which

is very exciting. It's very, you know,

you feel like you're in, I don't know,

another dimension when you go into the

Metropolitan Opera House. But it's

pretty incredible just to watch the

people that show up and how they're

dressed and how they act. Darl, I'm

ready for you. Oh, you look fantastic.

I look hideous, but thank you.

But let's talk about Catherine. Okay,

let's talk about Catherine. So, today's

episode, we're talking to Katherine.

We're doing this fun thing where we're

kind of talking behind people's backs

before they come in just to kind of hear

more perspective about them and what

what you think I should ask her or you

know what you'd be interested in hearing

her talk about and tell me how like you

how you met and your your relationship

with her. Well, we met on Agatha

um at the table reads basically. Um

Katherine because she was the leading

lady was incredibly generous and incred

incredibly open and incredibly inclusive

and embraced I think the responsibility

of a leading lady and that's you know

that comes without fear basically. Um,

and she was fearless and generous and

and one of my favorite things about her

is she snorts when she laughs.

So, you know she's having a good time.

She's a big laugher. She's a big

laugher. But but when you get to

snort something was really

funny and that's, you know, one of her

best qualities, her snort. She is a real

mix of a a a very poised and serious

dramatic actor and deeply goofy. Yeah.

Very very funny. Um and doesn't take it

seriously, which is great. You know what

I mean? I'm going to ask her about this,

but I want to ask you too. I mean, the

response uh has been huge for Agatha.

It's everywhere. It's viral Tik Toks.

It's people waiting for you at the

airport. like the the way you get this

giant huge new group of people who know

you and know your work. What has that

been like? I don't have the kind of

response that Katherine has gotten. I

mean, in in I know that it's so it's so

weird because because I do so many

different things. People some people

know that I sing and do Broadway

musicals and some people know me from

Steven's Universe and some people know

me from Life Goes On and some people

know me from Agatha for Agatha. And the

ones I've been getting more more fan

mail about Agatha and um which is great

because who would think that I would end

up in the Marvel

universe knowing nothing about it and

choose to remain that way knowing

nothing about it. Any ideas of what I

could ask Katherine today? Like any

questions?

Ask her if she's ever thought about

directing and would she cast me.

I'm just curious to know whether she

would want to direct. And of course, I I

need to get

hired and I think she, you know, she

would be a riot behind the camera. I

think, you know, they'd have to take

take after take if it was funny and she

snorted. I think she'd be a great

director. I think she would be a great

director. Agree. All right. Love you,

Patty. Thank you so much. My pleasure.

Talk to you soon. Bye. Okay. Bye.

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Everyone, this is Katherine. Hi

everyone. Thank you for having me.

Katherine, I love you so much. Thank you

for being on Good Hang. So happy to be

here. I love you. You know, I've only

done a few episodes so far. This is very

new. And I got a note um recently from

the great Bill Simmons, who is kind of

like uh I guess my boss and but um he is

uh so good at podcasting and is has

created an empire and and has allowed me

to come and do it. And he said, "Lose

the ringer." And he said, "Lose the

laptop."

Why? Oh, just so it's like more

conversational, I guess. Why do you I

just before I do, I just want to

audition it one more time. How do you

feel about it? Listen, I think that

that's fine for him. If he doesn't need

one, but if you need one, screw it. This

is your podcast. Well, I want to say to

you and Bill that I like to look things

up on here. It does take me a long time.

It does take me You're fact-checking as

it's going on. I think that's good.

Well, that I kind of was joking that I

had it to just make it seem like I was

factecking, but I'm Have you ever used

it? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. If it's just

there for evidence,

maybe I was just

watching you. I just have to catch up on

the pit.

Wait, is that is that the medical

procedural? Okay, great. With the guy

who's already been on a medical

procedural. Okay, great. It's supposed

to be great. It's so good. Okay, I gotta

get into it. That's what I want to talk

about today. Okay, good. Just kidding.

Okay, well I want to talk about

Paradise. Dr. Carter aka Noah Wy is now

in a new show which is nothing like ER,

but I'm a huge ER fan. But the pit is so

because Bill told me to get rid of the

laptop, I'm going to put it in half

mass. Good.

And then if I need it, I I do feel like

I want to I want to watch something with

you today. Keep it there. Okay. Yeah,

half masked.

Okay, don't close it. But I But Bill, I

hear you and I I appreciate the the

because it looks love and I I have to

say I'm still trying to figure out the

process of this. So I so appreciate you

coming in midprocess. I'm so I love

mid-process. You do? I do. I do because

it's still figuring itself out. So I I

like it. I don't like I It's better.

It's more interesting than a welloiled

machine. Yeah. Tell me more about that

because you're so you do you I love that

about you is you love the the the messy

middle of stuff. I do because it's like

a there is like a little on your toes

um feeling of of of growth that's

happening while you're in it. And that

always feels like super chargy to me. if

it's like I don't know it's more like

sometimes it's good and like you know

that you're gonna hit this this and this

but I I love conversations and I think

and I know you do too that are like a

little not so prescribed at the

beginning. You're so good at them.

You're you're you're really really good

at um hanging in. Uh yeah, it's what

makes you such a good person and friend

but and also such a good actor is you

you can like tolerate the in between

which few I don't know if I can I'm

learning I'm learning. Yes, it is

uncomfortable sometime sometimes

depending on what it it really is but

just to sit in it and let it like I'm

not talking about a podcast but like

life or like schmacking. Yeah, it's

definitely like that in that kind of

like uncomfortableness I think is

um like like the time that you're going

to be surprised. Did you know that? Let

me see if you can guess how many times

how many episodes of Parks you did. Do

you do you would you know to guess? I

would

say between seven and 13. Yeah, 10. 10.

Okay. Between seven and 13. That was my

It's kind of right between. That's

amazing.

But it was such a huge impact on my

life. Like it's still the thing I get

most recognized for. Really? Yes. And I

just remember Well, first of all, you

were the most incredible number one on a

call sheet because you had dance parties

at lunch every day. And anybody that

walked on that like set just was filled

with such confidence and such joy, which

is I had the greatest time on that show.

I have such I don't have the greatest

that's where we kind of fell in love but

that is re that's really Katherine where

we I think actually met my first kind of

like real memory is in the trailer of

parks and wreck and we used to Katherine

is talking about dance parties and we

used to do a thing where just like after

lunch we would play three songs best the

great Autumn Butler our makeup artist

had great taste in music and we would

just kind of dance around for two or

three songs. Yeah. the best. I think for

me, a way to honestly just keep my

energy up. Yeah. But it became a way to

meet people in the trailer. And I

remember two things I loved about you

right away. How much you love to laugh.

People that know you know that like you

you love to laugh. If someone's going to

break in the scene, it's this

professional over here. You know, you I

don't Do you think you break a I have to

be really serious in my mind? Like if I

have because if it starts to happen, it

is tears.

Yeah. And mucus. But you I have seen you

in bloopers and you're hanging in. Yeah,

I do hang in. You hang in. I do. Yeah.

You in fact go in harder. I think when

people are like I have to I know it's a

survival technique. I just have to dig

in a little bit. I do. I go harder. I

feel like every time I've done a scene

with you, you are so good at

improvising. In fact, like a lot of your

character on Parks and Rec, Jen

Barklay's moments were improvised. Were

they really? Well, my one of the

favorites, one of one of Tik Tok and

memes and gifts and just poncho his

poncho. Yeah, poncho was So, let's talk

about what happened. For people that

have never seen that, what what is it?

What? Tell us what that scene was. Well,

I went to Ben and Leslie's house. Um,

I'm speaking as Jen Barkley, my

character. I'm first person now. Well,

for people that aren't watching, she

just transformed. just transform. Her

eyes turned dark and she's a completely

different person. A lot more

hairspray. I went to their house. They

have children. Uh I am not into children

at all. I wore a plastic poncho so that

I wouldn't get any sticky fingers or

crap all over me. And at some point the

kids rush by with paint, nail me with

the paint. And at some take just to make

you guys laugh. I don't even did not

have any idea it was gonna be any. I

just swung my arms open. I went poncho

poncho. And that really has become it

has it's like Batman's cape.

I mean, that was the best. Like I just

wanting to make you guys laugh and just

having so the the energy is so loose. So

I like it's funny you say that

improvising again. I can do it if I know

who I am and like the given

circumstances and like that I feel like

I feel really free in that department.

just well you know how like we we were

on set a lot and I would watch you work

and I would say the same thing about

Adam and I wonder too if it's because of

your both of your training but I would

watch the way you two

worked and you would have a moment where

we you'd stay really really loose and

but just right before the scene and I

can think of a couple scenes the great

scene where Jen Barkley is telling

Leslie no basically you know you have to

start. Oh, you have to start thinking

bigger, which is a huge moment in the

show. I love the writing and that's Mike

Sher and the writers. Like, I just love

how they slowly took care of Leslie and

they sent people in to give her these

messages and Jen Barkley is just this

like Gen X. Yes. Um, ballbuster. Yes.

Who who kind of sees something that

Leslie doesn't. Anyway, in that moment

when you're giving that speech, I

remember very clearly right before the

scene, you just took a moment and I

think we joked about it later because

I was like it was like

watching it was watching a a real actor.

Oh god.

Just staying one more second on parks

because I do think that um it it was

such a formative time in my life

obviously for many reasons and one of

them was meeting you is

what I always use that us as an example

of is that you never know who you have

yet to meet. No. Yeah. I think, you

know, when you're in your 40s, there's

this feeling that you've pretty much you

have your old friends, your high school

friends, you have maybe a partner and

their friends, you have your kid, mom

friends, college, yeah, college. Yeah.

You have like this all these different

groups of friends and you think, I think

I've met everybody that's going to be my

close friends. I have I I know because

sometimes those friends become just

family. You know what I mean? as

everybody grows and changes and like

people there's there and so in my life

always always but we are very different

people I don't know what you know and

you're right there are people like I

think even I've been in a lot lot of

projects where you get like intimate

really fast and everybody says goodbye

but then there are certain people where

you I didn't anticipate this like I did

that was the the one of the pleasures

for me too is like I did not anticipate

that you would want to continue to be my

friend after we did it. And then the

fact that it's gotten like deeper and

deeper, I'm like now I don't know how to

do it. I mean like I am so grateful for

you in my life. We've like we've been in

the trenches. We've been in the

trenches. Yeah, we have. We have like

we've been through a lot of tough times

together.

We've been very honest with each other.

Yeah, we've like I think we've

really like taken great pains to see

each other. Yeah. Like we're make it a

priority. And I mean I know how I feel

about how important that is for me, but

what what how what how are female

friendships important to you? What do

they do for you? I think the the real

female friends that I have, the deep

ones are fewer than I thought I would

have. like the ones that are really, you

know, have your back through anything.

And there's a difference like these.

It's so important to

have women in your life that aren't

family to grow old with in a way that

it's like you said, feels very honest,

but and also hilarious, but also doesn't

feel like we have to keep up any

anything together. like keep up any sort

of like front. It just feels like and

also very affirming like to walk into

these next chapters together just feels

like it's not as terrifying. Yes. The

witch's road. The witch's road. The

coven. Yes. Coven on coven. Yes. Yes.

That's why I mean I that is why when I

watched that show when I watched Agatha

all along um uh that was it was so

moving you just to get basically you

must hold hands with someone to go into

the next step and let's be honest our

female friendships and relationships are

going to you know with the exception

maybe our sibling relationships will

probably last the longest. I know they

will. And I think with my dear dearest

women friends, of which there are very

few, that that is such a source of

comfort just to be heard by another

woman. Yes. Without judgment, without

like anything but just um love. I know.

I feel you. U speaking of other women.

Um yeah. So, we do this thing uh where

we ask people before we have a guest to

um chat about the guests. So, like I

kind of like wanted I want to like and

we got Patty Leone. No, you did not.

Yes.

Oh my god,

I was so excited. The wolf. Patty the

wolf. The wolf.

Leone. Of course. The wolf. Of course.

Oh my god. I'm This is going to be the

best. Well, first of all, what if it was

like

Well, she can't sing, but yeah, not

talented. Um, no, she she's so great,

isn't she? I know. Uh, talk about, you

know, a new friend that I want to I

mean, I feel like I keep I have to stop

telling her our I I have to stop asking

her if we're friends. I just have to

start believing that we are. But, um,

anyway. Oh, doll. Call everyone doll.

But you're right. To have someone that

is like in a different stage of our

lives that you can that is so real.

Very important. I I don't know about

you, but I get very comfortable around

Yes. older women who are very bossy.

Yeah. Um because I get very relaxed.

Yeah. We're in good hands. We're in good

hands. And the the few times that I've

hung out with Patty, like she's like,

"We're going for a walk." and she tells

me what to buy and and it's

just Okay. So, tell me about about how

you was was Agatha the first time you

met her? Oh, yeah. Okay. Um and I

remember when they said it was Patty

Leon, I was like,

"No." And then we I met her at the first

table read and she just came in with so

many questions, which of course like she

knew nothing about Marvel. I barely know

anything about Marvel. So, she was like,

"Okay." A and it was just all of these

very detailed questions, but then she

just forgot and it didn't matter. Like

she was she'll stay she'll still be like

I don't know anything about Marvel. She

did. She she told us that. She did. She

said well I don't know anything about

which I love. I mean and also

and she said you guys met at the table

read and Agatha was a really big circus

to lead. Oh yes. And you had to do a lot

of big stuff on there. It was a lot of

swinging. Oh my gosh. So much, you know,

uh if if one is to believe that acting

is a little embarrassing. Oh, right. You

had to do so much stuff. Incred birthing

scenes and crazy stuff and holding hands

and singing. Yes. So much incredible

stuff. Yes. But like walking the razor's

edge cuz we knew if it went one way or

the other, it could be like, "Oh, wow."

And America voted and it worked. America

voted for if Tik Tok voted. Tik Tok is

my government. Okay. I know. I got to

get on Tik Tok. It's It's I think it's

wrapping up. Oh, I know. It's my perfect

timing as usual. Still my AOL. It's like

me and podcast. I'm like, "Let me get in

there." And everyone's like, "Now?" I'm

like, "Yep." Right before the door

closes. But just for a second, what was

it like to be on such a big show making

having to make really big choices with

all these incredibly big personalities

and people? It was just it must have

been something. We were all there was no

trailers to go back to really because we

were kind of far away always. So we

would set up like a little coven of our

chairs in a circle. So, like all of our

crew chairs would be in a circle and you

could just hear us cackling like the

whole like I mean we just laughed and

Patty had a boom box and she would get

up and like dance or start singing and

we would all be like like it's coming

out of her mouth right now. So Patty

wanted me to ask you two questions.

Well, first she said she loves your

snort and we already got it. We already

got it once. I thought like it's not as

cute anymore but I'm still comes out. I

mean, you're talking to a person that

laughs like a I've been described as a

raven when a raven when someone runs

over a raven's foot. That's how somebody

described my laugh one time. So, I mean,

I don't know what you're talking about.

It's the greatest laugh, but ever. It's

just I have a very witchy laugh, too.

And you have a very witchy laugh and a

very You do. And it's a cackle and a

very

devious laugh sometimes. It is.

It's a little cat that hit the mouth. It

I just love it so much cuz it it's like

a little

devious and then huge caggles.

And you have a great laugh, too. Like

you laugh with your whole body. I do.

You like I do. Oh, there she goes. But I

really do. I do. I love a good laugh.

God, me too. Have you always been that

way? Was that Where did Where like Have

you always been that kind of person that

loved a good laugh? In high school, it

started for sure. And then I was like,

you know, I went to an all girls

Catholic school. So we had like a I mean

that group was constantly making fun of

the nuns. And so I was just like crying

all the time. Just crying all the time.

Just like h just floating maxi pads in

like the s in like Mary's pond. Like

there's like a statue of Mary and we

just like and the nuns would be like

okay so there are maxi pads floating in

the it was like always fit like that

just like fun church giggle stuff stupid

like you'd open up a locker and there'd

be like a huge dick the pop would pop

out on a spring like we were very first

my theory that Catholic school girls

were a so bad they were so bad but

because everything was you know uniforms

and there was like church every week and

it all felt like I don't know if I

believe in any of this. Yeah. And then

B, they were just like really ready to

go. Really ready to go. Oh, I was like,

"Let's go. Let's go." And they were I

was like, "Any takers? Any takers?" And

there was not takers.

I was like, "Hey, horny. So horny." And

I was like,

"Okay." I was like, "Is it my

overplucked

eyebrows? What's what's happening? Is it

my Catholic school uniform that my mom

thought I was going to gain maybe or

like seven dress sizes, but I was

literally like kids would go down and

see my skirt and just pull it off me

like in school. So, we had to wear

boxers. Oh, yeah. Boxers were a big deal

that Wait, it was an all girls school.

Yeah. And they were pancing you. Pancing

me. Skirting you in in I did go to co-ed

Catholic elementary school and we would

have something called Friday flipup day.

So, we knew to wear boxers because on

Friday, all the guys ran around and

flipped up your skirt. Oh my god. Yes.

And Thursday, throw up day, Wednesday,

wedding day. I don't know what Tuesday

or Monday was after. Flip up your skirt.

And back then, we were like, the price

of being a girl. It is. We were like,

"Oh, we better get prepared." We were

like, "Maybe someone will flip up my

skirt today." So up. So

up. So up. And and the teachers

were like, "If you guys are doing the

flip up, keep it outside of class. I

want to know about it." And then I

remember some guy some kid I was in

sixth grade called me gorilla legs cuz I

haven't shave I hadn't shaved my legs

yet. And I was like horrified by that.

So I went home and I tried to shave and

it was like a cheese grater. It was like

I could see a curl of my skin before it

started bleeding and I was like what?

Oh, I still have scars. Oh no. I didn't

know how to do it. I went rogue with my

dad's shaver in the tub. Oh, no. Cuz of

that stupid boy. It was that stupid boy.

I know. I had a stupid boy tell me one

time that I look like a frog. That my

face looked like a frog. And I just I

still think about it. I mean, I still

remember. I just remember being like,

well, I Yeah. But you just get that

thing where you're like, well, I guess

I'll live the life of a frog then. Like,

you just immediately like, well, if one

boy thinks it that then it shall be so.

Then it shall be so. Yeah. Yeah, I

guess. Well, I'll be they'll just flip

up my skirt and I'll wear my boxers and

shave my legs in the bathtub and wear

have a face like a frog. I mean, it's

horrible. It's horrible. The I got

for my nose my whole life. Really? For

the size of your nose? Yes. And that I

had such

a such a like thing about it that I was

like, when I'm 18, I'm getting a nose

job. And now I'm so glad that I did it.

No. Yeah. And now I love my nose. I just

think people should know that you have

never gotten any plastic surgery. Not

that there's anything wrong with that,

but I just think but I think also we I

feel that way with you like it's a time

this is a treacherous moment where

you're like have to leave behind all

that currency that I really didn't I

wasn't listen I wasn't like that was my

that wasn't my my currency in this

business was never like same which I

think is helpful going forward because

it's not but yeah I'm like but now

you're now you've gotten into mother

phase your mother Han now I have mother

Han Because honestly, this is my

Instagram thing that my I haven't used

since in the first fight. I kind of

petered out on the dumbest one. I just

haven't done it again. I put it on my

computer and yeah, I haven't posted

literally it's the dumbest last one. I

know you don't know what it is, but it

was just petered out and um we tried my

daughter tried to find a name for me or

like whatever

handle. Is that what it's called? Yeah,

I think so. and we couldn't find

anything with my name and then we saw

motherhan lowercase and I was like oh

that's funny and she was like you know

the other connotations though and I was

like yeah fine I'll be cute but then it

has really a very it does have a very

specific um like following which I love

well that's what I'm saying is there's

this amazing moment that's happening for

you in general where you know people

that have loved your work now for 20

years are seeing you get this kind of

next level of um recognition and you

know all that comes with like the Marvel

machine. Yes. And there is this also

celebration at the same time led

primarily by gay men but not just gay

men and young gay women. young gay women

who love the lesbian kiss that you had

on Agatha with her beautiful Aubrey

Plaza like that are deciding to just

like be like mother and that feels like

you're being anointed which I'm like

it's Ann Braftoft in the graduate like

that's what it feels like there's like a

cougary vibe yes instead but I also

think that there's kind of like a

cuz I don't I mean that's not who I am

but I guess it also means

like I don't No. What does What do you

think it means like teacher? I think

it's like a way Yes. It's like a way to

compliment someone's

wisdom and fortitude without making them

while still making them feel sexy. Yeah.

There's something that feels sexy about

it because it's very dom. It's very like

she will crush you. Like it's a little

bit like mother, right?

Um, maybe you should have your Instagram

should have been you should have tried

to spell that out. But but also there's

a reverence to it like a respect.

There's like a there's like a loving

respect. I I again someone else could

probably break down the etmology and

what it really means and we all know

where it comes back. It goes back to

like the houses and you know like all

the queer culture back who are creating

their own community and family. I love

it. I It moves me so much. Me too. And

it's and it's it's just there's some

something that's happening right now I'm

noticing in real time where women our

age in our 50s in our business used to

kind of just be uh on the way out for

the most part. There were a few but a

lot of them were not really regarded by

young people as being vital Yes.

producers of things. Yeah. And that is

changing. It's kind of it is changing. I

never liked milk. I hated Mil. Me too.

Why do we hate it? Well, because it's a

porn term probably by a lot of young by

a lot of young men that have a fetish

for older women. Yeah. I never

mothers. Yeah. And also I didn't like it

cuz it was like, "Oh, you'll still

them." Yes. Uh, let me check. Yeah. They

don't want to in.

I just checked. Gut check. Gut check.

Butt check and gut check. Butt check.

It's not happening for you, too. It's

like, "Oh, great." I know. It was like,

well, I've had a couple mils and it's

like, oh god. Maybe we don't like it,

too, because it sounds like milk. Yeah,

maybe. Maybe because Yeah, but it's it

just feels like it's from the dude's

point of view in like a gross porny way.

Yeah. Mother feels a little bit more uh

you respect it and it feels

more gay adjacent, queer adjacent. So,

it feels a little Yeah. Um, which I love

so much. I love it so much. I love the

very young queer women that are um felt

really like loved Agatha all along. Like

that was such a huge part of our

audience that was very very moving. I

mean, you were the first gay Marvel

kiss, right? I a queer Marvel kiss. I

don't know. I think I have a piece of

paper. Let me see.

Yep. It's not on the Yeah. Oh, yes.

Yeah. Yeah, the first Marvel lesbian

kiss according to this paper that just

flew in. Hold on. It just floated down.

From the sky. It's coming from the sky.

Here we go. But yeah, that it's pretty

cool. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, it's

cool. That's cool. And with Plaza, so it

just could not be cooler. I know. I

know. Our beautiful baby plaza. Um uh

what's going uh and I'm aware of the as

your as a therapist, I'm aware of the

time. It's 11:48. I am so fine with

that. Okay, just letting you know cuz I

want to

persect you have a long press day and so

I know you have to do a lot of talking

but and you have to eat wings. You have

to you have to eat hot wings. I'm so

sorry I don't have wings. I know I

should be prepping before the my

diarrhea kicks in. Do that wings thing

and you have it and you're like no I

absolutely not. I because I hate milk so

I don't know how I'm going to do it. Be

a disaster for me. No, it's going to be

someone said peanut butter on toast

beforehand. Line your stomach. The

things we go through for purpose for no

reason. What do we What do we have to

do? We have to line our

stomach. How did this How did this

happen? How are we now doing eating

spicy things? The sp and spicier and

spicier while being asked really

interesting really interesting

questions.

Really great questions. But um but the

the way in which we're like I guess I

guess for this show I gotta have

diarrhea for four days for four days.

Ring a fire. But I also there's

something about it that I was like yes

because it just felt so um so unique

that it just is a really good example of

what we were talking about earlier like

you're like this is going to be fun. I'm

into it. You're into the the lack of

control. Yeah. And I'm like, am I going

to vomit? Am I going to I don't know. We

actually do that is actually Friday, but

I have a lot other stuff to but I am.

So, I have a couple days to prep my

stomach. It's like a colonoscopy.

I have to start eating but like in

reverse cuz I think I got to line it as

thick as possible. So there's no way

like my throat down to my colon has to

just be lined with bread. Yogurt, peanut

butter, and just bread shoved in there.

Show business, baby. Show business.

That's what it's why we got into show

business. To do stuff like that, to just

eat weird hot stuff on camera for free.

For free. Um, but we were talking a

little bit about the like way in which

you're getting received like when you're

out in public. It's a little

overwhelming sometimes because of the

fandom of it all. Like there's you're in

a machine now that's bigger than maybe

some other ones. And we were kind of

talking about that feeling of like

having to take on other people's energy.

And how do you balance the introversion

and extroversion part of what we do?

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Well, please excuse her.

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Okay. Oh god. Yeah, that's a good

answer. You know, we were talking about

hot ones for a while. You got all I need

a Pepsi

AC. Um, okay. Fans.

No, it's you know you're I mean Marvel

is a totally different machine and I am

so rarely recognized in my life like you

know I just walk out like I don't think

about it. So I'm like you know I had one

meal with Carrie Kenny Silver who I love

so much and she someone came up to our

table and was like sorry I have to tell

you I love you and I think it's so

hilarious you go out of the house

looking like

this. And I was like, "Oh, thank

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you." Well, my thing is when people go,

"Can I tell you who you look like?" And

I'm always like, "Please don't. It is

never going to be great. It's never

going to be great." Unless it's Scarjo

or something like, it's never. And it's

And it's also so It's always someone who

is at a hard 30 years older than who I

am, which is fine. But okay, so let's

talk about Philly Justice before we talk

about the studio and then we'll be done.

Actually, one of the most the thing I'm

almost the most proud of. Okay. Can you

explain to people what we're talking

about when we say Okay. When we were

there was a a bunch of the parks and

wreck actors. It was Paul, Rudd, you,

Rashidita,

Adam, and is that it? Yeah. me. Uh we

the the original picture that Philly

Justice was born out of was me, you,

Rashidita, Adam, and Rudd. And it was we

had like businessy outfits on. I think

we were going to court or something or

like so all of us had like very

businessy and I don't know whose idea

was it, but we took a um it was whose

idea was it? But we were all in like

kind of staggered stairs and what looked

like the front of like a very um you

know a courthouse. We we pretended we

were on a fake TV show in the '9s called

Philly Justice or the early 2000s and we

all crossed our arms. Then that became a

text chain where we started pretending

that we were we were just uh pretending

we had been texting each other like as

the actors from it is the pilot going to

be picked up like we were going to do

like we were all very excited. It was

like a David Kellyesque show. So there

was like some cache. It wasn't like a

shitty show, right? Katherine is playing

like a a lawyer. Question mark. We don't

know. and um who has a has a very

tempestuous relationship with Angie

Martinez played by Rashidita Jones. And

we're not sure a lot of past lot I mean

I think you guys are lovers.

Amy, please excuse her. She knows not

what she's doing. like um Robert Durst

when he's guilty and he's he's every

time I sorry every time I bring up being

your lesbian tendencies you start

burping and we're

like okay um but uh I mean I remember

thinking I can't believe how lucky I am

that I'm working with people who want to

also do this dumb thing. Yes. Like yes,

fun dumb things to me are a love

language. That's a way like it's like

proves like safety. I guess that if

you're relaxed enough to do fun dumb

things, then you're in the right place.

Yeah. And the more the older and older I

get, I feel like just want that. Yeah.

Like nothing is that important, right?

Um a great transition into your new show

and the studio. But it is the studio is

fun though. It is fun. And you mentioned

Katherine O'Hara. Talk to us about the

show and the cast. I mean, Katherine

O'Hara, another goddess that I couldn't

believe. We've only have a couple scenes

in it, but I have gotten to know her

like through the press thing. And she

is, like we were saying, like what I

want to like that's how I want to grow

up. Yeah. Even though she's, you know,

basically my aunt, but she um is I mean

on camera and not off camera, like just

such a hu a good egg. And it's Seth

Rogan and Evan Goldberg. Seth stars in

it and um they both wrote all the

episodes and directed all the episodes

with like one shot. They're all like

wonders or some invisible scenes. Wow. I

know. But it's really incredible because

we rehearsed each scene like a play.

Like we had to rehearse it a gazillion

times with the camera and then know when

the camera's going to be on you and know

like when to get out of the way for the

camera and still like try to keep eye

contact. It was a It was like a The

challenges were

so fun and juicy and and also you knew

that if you up one line in it,

you'd have to go back to the beginning.

So like the tension of

everybody really added to the tension of

this fictional studio, Continental

Studios that Seth Rogan just became the

head of and trying to save it like it

can't keep it from the streamers and

also the like balance between art and

um money like blockb like he he's a

lover of film that just wants to make

like you know Fox catcher all the time

and they're like, "You can't make it all

the time. You have to make a Kool-Aid

movie, you know?" So, it's like the the

tension between and it's Ike Baron Holtz

is in it who's freaking hilarious. He's

so good. Chase, Sweet Wonders, Peach,

hilarious. And um Brian Cranston has a a

recording as the um the money guy on top

of the studio. And uh who do you play? I

play um the market the head of

marketing.

Your look is incredible. It is

incredible. And I feel like there's a

lot of humans in Hollywood that just

dress label to label. So, she's just

totally got a girl at Sachs who will

bring the to the office and she

tries it on at lunch. Has a tab running

tab at Sachs. Nice. And also probably um

you know what is it? Delane that Do

Street Market a lot of like street

brands. She has big nails. I remember

that. Right. Long long nails. Yeah. And

no personal life. So, it's all filling

like a deep empty hole. Yes. That she

gets um that she just lives at her job.

And is it thing or can we It's weekly.

Okay. Great. I have to say overall I'm

enjoying a more weekly thing because I

feel like we binged too hard. I do too.

Yeah. It gives me a headache and also

makes me feel like a little bit sick.

The binging is too much. It's too much.

It's too much. And you lose the

Yeah. Swallowed it that time. I was

like, three. I can't do three on your

podcast. Three burps. Yes. What is wrong

with me? I just swallowed the rule of

threes. You have to do one more burp for

comedy. Maybe that was the third and it

was just I swallowed it and now it's

just a hot people I know that listen to

these things and they have a hard time

like with uh whatever it's called.

What's the um the word when you don't

like mouth sounds? Oh, uh misophonia.

Misophonia where they don't like the the

the milky mouth sounds of people, which

I understand. I understand it. I The

worst is when you're talking to someone

and there's little white cream on the

creases of their mouth and then when

they talk you can hear like and you just

want to be like slide them a glass of

water. You want to slide them. And I

feel like this is the end of our

interview because where where are we

back? We're back to water. We're back to

water. How badly do you have to pee?

Not at all. I've been peeing this whole

time. Oh, right. Next time I'm going to

wear just I don't even know how it

works. If there's an adult diaper or

just a bucket. No, you just pee. The

thing people don't tell you about

podcasting, which I learned when I first

started. Yeah. You pee anytime. You just

pee in your seat. All the men you're

watching, they're constantly peeing just

underneath their table. Gross. There's a

stadium, buddy. Yeah. Or have you ever

seen the women's version of that? I have

it. Oh. The way you get it, my friend

gave it. It's like a funnel because you

can be like, "So, it isn't like a

straight shot." Okay. Keep it in my car.

Okay. I thought you like keep it in my

pants. I keep it I keep it in my bed.

No, it's a it's a funnel that you I

suggest getting it. You're supposed to

use it for camping, but I have it for my

car because sometimes you're in traffic

and it's and it's a Oh, no. Like what?

And I can you get that going while

you're driving a car? I have never I've

to be fair I've never actually used it.

Oh. Oh, okay. But this knowing it's

there. I know that you have a backup.

Maybe also sometimes if there's a

questionable gas station restroom, I

would rather cop squat that I would

rather pull over and pee. I've done that

before. Go to a gas station. I've done

that definitely in places that um met

like the national parks where you like

open the small one. It's just a hole.

Yeah. I just think I just I've just

pulled over and opened up my car door

and just peed.

I think we all have. I mean, what are

you going to do? What are you going to

do? Seriously, you can't No one wants a

UTI. And you can't be like a man and pee

in a bottle like a like Oh my god. Have

you ever been There's some streets in

New York City. I know this is getting

long, but there's some streets in New

York that are like the like the arteries

for getting off the bridges or whatever

that if you walk down it's like filled

Coke bottles with urine. Men are so

disgusting. Disgusting. But I

have to tell you, okay, last thing.

Sometimes Sometimes I'm like, "Women,

lift up the freaking seat." 100%. I'm

like, I have sat so many times on other

women's urine. Women, you cannot pee on

the seat to protect your own germs. Like

you can't not sit on a toilet seat so

that I have to sit on the key. Yes. Lift

it up. It's disgusting. Also, if you're

really that weird about it, put toilet

paper on the seat. They have things for

you. They have things. Don't squat on

the seat, pee on it, and then leave. And

then leave. You know what? Women are

disgusting, too. Or wipe it off with a

And you're like, I know you just tried

to wipe it off, but it's still there,

You're talking to a gal who left

signs in a in a uh when I think it must

have been when I was at SNL. I was like,

who is peeing on this seat? Yes. I was

like, "Hey, news flash. This is a

disaster for those that fall. A restroom

for a lot of women." Yeah. Well, last

thing, growing up in Cleveland, we had

faulty um what's it called? You know,

when you flush a toilet plumbing

ah age. But my dad had a sign above the

toilet that said poop flush wipe

flush cuz if you put the poop and the

and the toilet paper in there would

overflow immediately. Flush white flush.

Poop flush white flush. I'm going to

leave you with that. Anyho, but I these

are I think these are important things

to say. They are. They are. They are. We

don't talk about it, but these are But

also just women lastly, lift up the seat

name. You don't have to and You don't

have to lift. Yeah. Don't just sit on

the seat. Sit on it. Sit on it. If you

don't feel like sitting on it, lift it.

Sit on the seats. Sit on the seat. What?

Like, where are we? That's why they just

Where are we? You're so lucky to have a

seat. There's a lot of people that just

have to squat. If someone ran for like

Congress and their whole thing was sit

on the seat, they'd win. They'd win.

They'd win. They would win. Sit on the

seat. I'm going to start making bumper

stickers. Okay. the I'm asking I'm

asking a bunch of people cuz you love to

laugh and you have a great laugh. I'm

asking a bunch of people what are they

doing right now to make themselves

laugh? Like what is the thing you're

watching or doing or listening to? What

cracks you up? Um my dog really cracks

me up. He's such a little wenus.

Everything. His name is Banjo and he's

such an idiot. He has a He's such a mut

and he has his tail that's always so

high. He's got a really aggressive

and everything he does is so

stupid that he makes me laugh so hard.

He's a dingo. Like everything he does

like he'll walk he'll get outside and

he'll like do laughs like back and forth

as fast as he can from one side of the

lawn to the other.

He won't stop and he he'll just have he

has this corn cob that he can chew has a

sound in it and he'll just look at you

and be like like and you hear the this

horn going on for so long and so his

anxiety is funny. He has had a cone on

for a third of his life because he

constantly is eating something or he'll

look at you like there's just blood

gushing out of his back leg like

banjo. He'll he licked the skin off of

his his own little paw cuz he just was

stressed out and then he keeps licking

it. So he's had to Yeah. So who would

play banjo in a movie if he was a human?

Oh, it would be it would be He's got a

lot of um white male privilege. He is so

blonde. It's not Patrick Schwarzenegger

cuz he's really great. Honestly, it's a

young Leo is really what it is. It's a

young Leo. It's a young Leo. It's like a

Yes. Uh uh maybe it's the kid from um

Baby Girl. What's his name? The The Yes.

Right. His uh I don't know his name.

We'll never We have a laptop. We

can't figure it out.

Harris Dickinson. Harris Dickinson.

Maybe it's a Harris Dickinson. Yeah.

With a little more like I'll do whatever

you say, but I I can't I forgot it

already. It's kind of like like that.

His day focuses at 5:00. That's the only

thing he holds on to is dinner at 5.

Everything else is chaos. Then all of a

sudden at 4:45 he's

like I love him so much. Good news. We

just got We just heard that Austin

Butler is excited to read for Banjo. Oh,

okay. So, okay. Maybe I'll put him I'm

You're I'm curious to see his his I'd

love to see him read. I would love to

see him read. I'd love to see him read.

Can't wait to get the tape. Okay. Love

you. I love you so much.

Okay. Thank you to Katherine Han, our

great hilarious friend. Man, that was so

fun. She's so funny. And she was

reminding us about dance parties, which

we used to have on the set of Parks and

Wreck. And I want to remind you, you can

always have your own. All you need is

three

songs, one other person, and uh and

and the the the want and need to have

fun. So, uh do it now. Let's start with

Brass and Pocket by the Pretenders. Take

it slow. Warm up and

stretch. Then go to uh Red Wine

Supernova Chapel Rowan. Sing all the

lyrics really loudly and point to each

other. And then finish by going to the

club with uh a little Rihanna uh we

found love in a hopeless place and

pretend that you've lost your purse on

the dance floor and run around. Three

songs is all you need to change your

day. Thank you guys so much for

listening to another episode. Um, thanks

for

hanging. You've been listening to Good

Hang. The executive producers for this

show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss

Berman, and me, Amy Polar. The show is

produced by The Ringer and Paperkite.

For The Ringer, production by Jack

Wilson, Cat Spalain, Kaia McMullen, and

Aia Xanerys. For Paperkite production by

Sam Green, Joel Levelvel, and Jenna

Weiss Berman. Original music by Amy

Miles.