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Hey everyone, this is Amy Polar. Welcome

to another episode of Good Hang. Man, we

have a great guest today. I am very,

very excited to tell you that we are

talking to Jack Black, who I think is

the biggest movie star in the world. And

uh and the box office agrees. Um Jack

and I talk about a lot of great things.

We're going to talk about um his hit

movie, his giant Minecraft movie, and

all the amazing projects he's done. We

um we harmonize together. We talk about

the not so successful movie that we did

together. We get into life and love and

sleeping and dancing. And as always,

it's just the best ride to be with Jack

and he's just the absolute best. And I

always start these podcasts by talking

to people who know Jack or his work or

our fans or colleagues. And we're very

excited today to talk to Nora Lum aka

Aquafina, the great actress and comedian

and musician and voiceover artist who

has worked with Jack on Kung Fu Panda

and Jumanji. So Nora, thank you for

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Very excited to um have you, Nora, today

um to talk about Jack Black. Yes. Before

we get to Jack, where are we talking to

you? We're talking to you from Los

Angeles today. Yeah, we're we're in Los

Angeles. Yeah. And how are you? What's

going on? How is your Thursday? Uh, I'm

I'm doing well. Um, not not a lot's

going on. Um, what have you had for

breakfast?

I, you know, I haven't been eating a ton

of breakfast. Oh, really? Yeah. I I I

don't get hungry until later, but I

think that's like a cortisol imbalance.

Um, what did you have? Well, I had a

half of a breakfast burrito. Nice. Yeah.

Yeah. Like a crew burrito or Yeah,

exactly. It kind of feels like I'm at

work when I have a breakfast burrito.

Yeah. Yeah. Like you're on set and I had

my favorite tea, Ber's tea. Oh, nice.

Are you a tea or coffee drinker?

Um, not neither. Um, coffee makes me

like go crazy. Coffee like will make me

go crazy. Yeah. So, no caffeine in the

morning and no breakfast.

Yeah, I'm really really winning over

here. So,

what do you do? You just go like run a

5K? Like, what's happening over there?

No, I don't run. I don't run either. I I

I just kind of raw dog it through the

And then then around noon I might have a

like a sandwich or something. I don't

know. No liquid in the morning. I I've

had some water. I've had Yeah, I have a

couple sips of a a couple sips.

I had one longer one. I had Are you

being held against your will? What's

going on over there?

Yeah. No, I'm worried. I'm worried. Oh,

yeah. No, I need water. So, I'll I'll

get that later. Um, okay. Okay, let's

get to Jack. So, yeah, you guys have

worked together a lot and you've done a

lot of press together and you've toured

together. I mean, everybody knows he's

the greatest guy, but what makes him the

greatest guy? What's so great about

Jack? He's just like the really the

warmest guy ever. And then with also

this this like energy of of um like when

we were doing Jumanji, he would like

fall asleep and still be singing and

asleep, you know, and he just he always

has a good nature about him. He he just

he cracks me up. Yeah. And then we did

Kung Fu Panda together. Yeah. So, what

was that like? That was really cool. As

you I I don't know if you Well, you know

that like you know animated movies

you're not really together but there was

a that we got to record together and

then when we were doing press he would

do this thing with his legs called chops

kicks. You should you should talk to him

about that. That's what one thing you

should ask him. The leg thing. Okay.

Yeah. So tell us tell me what I should

ask him about the leg thing. What what

is it and how would you explain it? You

know, I think that I think that he would

remember if you just said like the thing

that well what he would do is is put his

legs akimbo and then he'd just start

kicking with with either. But you know,

you should you should ask him like you

don't know. And he would do it during

press or just behind the

scenes during press, but he would try to

like sneak it in uh to every interview

and and it it was pretty aggressive.

Sometimes it was he was really hitting

it. He was really hitting the the chop

the chops kicks. What else? Anything

else that you think I should ask him

like or that you you always wanted to

know? Oh man. Um like his t-shirt

collection. Wait, tell me about this

t-shirt collection. Oh. Oh, he he he's

always wearing like a tie-dyed purple

t-shirt with like a I feel like it's a

wolf or something.

You should ask him about the t-shirt

collection. There's like a purple one.

You should ask him about Gallagher, too.

Wait, his you know who G I know who

Gallagher 2 is. Oh, I I didn't know

that. He It's Gallagher's brother. I

know, but he was smashing watermelons on

his behalf or he like went rogue or

something. Oh my god. I'm going to ask

Jack about Gallagher, too, because

Gallagher, too. Yeah, I'm obsessed with

that story. There should be Ryan Murphy

should do the story of Gallagher, too,

with Jessica Lang. I think that Sarah

Paul will play Gallagher. She's

incredible.

Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna ask him about

that. That's hilarious. Yeah. Okay,

Norah, thank you so much for jumping on.

You're the best. I hope you can come and

do this someday. Oh my gosh, I would

love to. You're You're the coolest.

You're the coolest. Um, have fun with

Jack. I'm I do want you to eat a little

something, though. It's getting to be

It's like 10:30 and I'm feeling nervous.

Yogurt. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. I'll have

a yogurt or something. Yeah, it'll be

nice.

All right. Thank you so much. Okay. Bye.

So, I feel like this microphone is

telling me exactly where to sit and

which direction.

Oh my god. I just had a memory the other

day. Do you remember this is name

droppy, but I'm going to do it where we

went we did karaoke together. Oh yeah.

I'm gonna drop them if you don't drop

them. Drop them because I believe we

were there with uh Queens of the Stone

Ages Josh Hammy. That's right. Um and I

believe there was an Urge Overkill

member there. Am I right? Wasn't Was

there not Nash Ko in the house? You're

absolutely right. Because Urge Overkill

was a band that was in Chicago when I

was in Chicago and Nash used to be at

bars with like Liz Fair and other goss.

Yeah. And you and smashing pumpkins and

you just kind of walk in and pretend

like order a beer and be Was he was Was

was Nash Ko constantly smashing

pumpkins?

You know what I mean? He was known as

kind of a love maker. Like everywhere he

went, he left a little piece of him. I

don't remember I don't remember that. I

just remember him being at the bar. I

don't never talked to him. And I Let's

not gossip about sex. Let's not. But let

me just say this. Urge

Overkill is in my top five. I love Urge

Overkill. And I love me some uh who's

that incredible legendary Chicago

producer who died recently? Steve

Albini. Steve Albini. Little fun fact,

Steve Albini recorded and wrote the

theme song to Upright Citizens Brigade

Sketch. [ __ ] Yeah. Wow. He he he went

under the name The Welders. That's the

the that is how he was credited, but

Steve wrote it. And because Steve was a

big like sketch comedy fan and Matt

Besser who was in UCB was friends with

Steve and like loved like I learned a

ton of music from Matt and in Chicago it

was all like lowfi like you said urge

overkill and Liz fair and all this like

production that was very cool and then

he produced witch nirvana record. Yeah

in the Yes. with the heart-shaped box.

Yes. And it was like fraught with drama.

There was something where he was rubbing

up against like there was a lot of

pressure on him to deliver a big

commercial hit machine and he was like

that's not how I do it. I do really like

all those stories about people in the

studio that you know especially when the

record is like a classic incredible

record about how tough it was and how

everyone was like we don't have it. Like

I love the

when they're like this is we don't have

it. We didn't do it. And it's like well

best record of all time. Yeah. Isn't

that the way it always is? Isn't it like

the turmoil and the gut-wrenching like

stress and then the beautiful flower

grows out of that weird toxic soup? I

don't know because I have to say I kind

of want to talk to you about this today.

We have Jack Black with us. I'm so

excited. We just jump right in. But we

didn't even say action. We just started

going.

But but we but why I would say that you

and I I think something we share is that

we don't think things have to be

terrible.

I don't think we like things to be I

don't I don't either. I don't like

toxicity. I like love and I like fun. Me

too. And it it if it it doesn't have to

feel bad for it to be a good product.

That's true. Don't you feel like that's

a good lesson to learn? Yes, it is a

good lesson. And in theory, I feel that

way, but in reality, um, when it's time

to go on the high wire, when it's time

to go out and be on camera or in front

of an audience, I do always have a

little piece of me inside of me that's

going, I hope this thing gets cancelled

at the last second. There's a fire alarm

and I don't have to go out there cuz

there's always a panic. There's always

like a stress. Like, I just did SNL last

week. Let me tell you something. It was

so fun. Love

that. That little

I've always had like the most incredible

experiences, but also the most stressful

Yeah. week going into you're heading

there and you're just mainly going like,

"God, I hope I don't [ __ ] the bed. Just

hold it together, man. Don't [ __ ] this

up cuz you don't get another take. You

only get that [ __ ] one take."

And do you get like I get which is I get

really sleepy. I'm just like I think I

should go to sleep. I did take a little

nap here and there. Yeah. I want to

escape. When I get really nervous, I get

quiet and I get really sleepy. Yeah. And

I'm like, I think maybe instead of doing

the show, I should go to bed. Yeah.

Yeah. Cuz it's I did take a weird nap.

And you know who knew I was gonna was

Donna, the best this incredible woman.

People don't know. Well, she does get a

little screen time there. And I gave her

a little shout out on the 50th. Yes.

With Mimoa, your buddy. Ask her, "Hey,

who is your favorite person you ever

helped dress?" Cuz that's Donna's job.

She helps the the host get dressed and

in and out of costumes really fast. And

uh she also does other things too, like

she like says, "Hey honey, is there

anything you want to eat before we go on

tonight?" In the little break between

dress rehearsal and the show and I was

like, "I have a hankering for like a

Italian chap salad with no onions."

She's like, "You're going to get it. I'm

going to get that for you." And it was

soothing, but it also had like a little

hint of this is your last meal and I

want you to have whatever. It was like,

you know what I mean? Donna Richards,

uh, been working there for a really long

time at SNL. She also works at Seth

Meyers. She has this really specific

job. It's like part nurse. Yeah. Part

coach where she kind of grabs you and

dresses you from scene to scene, but she

has your whole show in her hand. Yeah.

And she makes sure that you you can do

it. She's the one that if you passed out

or if you forgot something or if you

turned to her and said like, I don't

remember, Donna would would would have

you. She's your like wrangler. Yeah. And

she's seen everybody naked. Yeah.

She's seen every star naked. And she

could write a book. Yeah. About

the your request for the chopped salad.

Yeah. That's a pretty tame request.

That's tame. Yeah. Oh, yeah. What

probably been asked for been asked for

pre-show. When you're in the trenches

before the show, who knows what you're

going to ask for for your last meal or

whatever. It's maybe the last time I do

some things. I always say people always

ask me what was your favorite SNL host

and show and it is always you, Jack.

Let me tell you something. I heard that

quote and it touched me so hard in my

heart and I thought Amy is an angel. And

I bet you it had something to do with me

getting asked back because there was a

lot of good vibes you put out there in

the universe for me. It's been 20 years

since I've been on the show. It's

insane. And it's, you know, that's

nothing to sneeze at when Amy Polar's in

your corner blowing the horn in my

praises. That's You don't need my

praises, sir. It's your billion dollar

movies. But, um, the someone asked me

because I was reminiscing about because

that was a very special time for me,

too. I was It was like 200

Yep. 34 345. That was my little window

of Saturday Night Live magic. Yes. And

we were like just a few years away from

that from the terrible beginning of SNL

for me which is like 911. We were like

we were we were a few years away where

it was like things had settled down a

little bit. Did you have kids yet or?

No. Yeah. Me neither. No kids so party

on. And then um we did so many sketches

together. You were that was such a fun

week. The strokes were the musical. The

strokes. The first time people don't

realize I I I hosted thrice. The first

one was the Strokes. The second one was

um John Mayer. Yes. Uh and the third one

was Neil Young. That's a crazy right.

But the first one was The Strokes, which

was crazy because I love the Strokes. Me

too. And they were so big for people who

don't remember like that soundtrack

around New York 2001 2002 was non that

song incredible song. It was the theme

song for New York City that that year.

Um and then um the afterparty after

after was at UCB theater with that that

night. I don't know if you remember that

but we were like yeah we burned the

midnight. I think we went till the dawn.

We went to the dawn and then there was a

sketch in there that I think about as

one of my favorite sketches which was I

think Keenan Thompson just reposted

recently which was when we're written by

Emily Spivey when we're in the Sparrow

and the it's winter time and the door

opens and we keep flying away. The

powerful gust of wind that almost blows

the whole sparrows into the atmosphere.

Yeah, that was a that was a really fun

funny sketch. That was such a good

sketch. Drach was like an old woman on a

wire getting blown away. And I have a

moment of remembering like reaching out

for her and she looked like my Drach and

I could probably be like in the same

family. Yeah. And we She looked like my

grandmother with like a white wig and it

was like my grandmother going up to

heaven. Yeah.

Love Datch. How was it this last time?

How is it to This was a really fun

magical return. And uh when I got the

call first of all from Sharon, my

manager and your manager. That's right.

We share management. But um we share

publicists. We share managers. So I got

the call from my publicist, Lewis and

Sharon, and they said, "Jack, are you

sitting down?" I was like, "Oh man,

what's about to happen?" I didn't know.

They're like, "Uh, you got the call to

be on SNL." And I was just

like it was very emotional because it

had been well because I had such great

memories of doing it all those years

ago, decades before and uh I didn't

think I would ever be asked back because

not because I didn't have a career and

like things are going great, but it felt

like a part of a time where uh I don't

know Lauren works in mysterious ways.

He's got a feeling of like what is going

to work best for that show and it feels

like they like to get people that are on

the cusp that are like right exploding

go popping off in a certain way. Also,

you had done it four times. Yeah, that's

true. If you count the musical guest

thing, right, cuz Tenacious D did go on.

That's right. Yeah. So, you know, maybe

it was like we've we have had you a few

times, but I know what you mean. It's a

funny club. Yeah. that you watch and you

think you feel like you're part of even

being a cast member, but then you also

sometimes always feel a little outside.

Yeah. Well, you could have been a cast

member. No, I don't think I could. I

don't think I could handle it week in

and week out. 100% disagree. Once every

20 years is more my speed for that gig.

But you could have I mean, did you ever

audition or want to audition because you

I did want to audition, but then I

didn't audition. I had an idea in mind

that I never went and followed through

with. Uh, um, you had What do you mean

you had an idea? Well, I had I don't

want to repeat it cuz now it really

sounds stupid in my mind, but my

audition was going to be

basically I was going to be a a

superhero that I created. I don't

remember what it was called, but it was

like a combination of the Hulk and maybe

it was just the Hulk. It was uh I was

going to come in as the Hulk and just

jump around and do like this weird slow

motion kind of performance art dance

where I would crush things with my foot

and then do like a mimed the earth is

cracking. It was not I was not going to

get in and I knew that. But I had

practiced it in the mirror in my living

room a few times but I never pulled the

trigger. You didn't? No. How come? Like

did you get an audition and you just

didn't do it or you like it's I'm I'm

fascinated by because also I'm

interested in that story because that is

a little bit of sabotage. Yeah. Maybe

there was a party that didn't want to be

on it. Well, that's the constant uh uh

battle is the fear of failure. Totally.

Sometimes you're up for the battle and

sometimes you're just like uh pass.

100%. I wanted to ask you about

auditioning because I don't know about

you, but I'm not a great auditioner.

Like I don't really get a lot of jobs

from auditions. Yeah.

And I remember I auditioned for the

Cohen brothers.

I love you. And it was And I just felt

like it wasn't going well. I'm sure they

have no memory of it and they had no

probably no opinion of it. But I felt

like it wasn't going well. And so I

started to like kind of sabotage it

because it was like basically like you

can't reject me. Well, I'm going to

reject you. I auditioned for the Cone

Brothers as well, and I also had a

similar super shitty audition. It was

for the Hud Sucker Proxy. Ah, mine was

burn after reading. Okay. Yeah. Uh-huh.

But, uh, you know, I I don't remember

the specifics of why it was so bad, but

I knew when I walked out, I did not get

it. Yeah. There's sometimes you can feel

it. Oh, yeah. But I loved auditioning

early on. But that was, you know, in the

in the before times. You loved it?

Because once I got School of Rock, I

didn't have to go on auditions anymore.

And it took some adjusting. I was like,

"What? I don't have to audition, but I

want what if I want to audition?"

But, uh, I liked going on auditions. And

then if it felt good, like I kicked ass,

I didn't even really care if I got the

part or not. I was just like high on

that buzz. Yeah. Yeah, cuz when you

connect with a scene Yeah. you get a

little charge. Do you remember any of

those? It's a drug. Yeah. Yes. I

remember just coming out, dude. Probably

my first job when I was 13 years old for

the commercial I did for a video game

called Pitfall for Atari. Loved Pitfall.

I just went in on that audition. I loved

acting. my my stepdad drove me around to

all the auditions and and um and I had

this kind of character who was sort of a

cocky character like this this thing

even at 13 I could do my eyebrows like

this like I'm cocky I think I know what

to do and it would looked funny if a

13-year-old did that kind of attitude

the cocky attitude. Yeah. And so they

said, we did the audition. I wasn't

doing that character. I was just doing

just last night. I was watching and they

said, "Can you do it again this time?

Like do it a little cocky." And in my

mind I was like, "Oh, they fell into my

trap. That's my one move." Like, "I can

try that. I'll try that." And just last

night it was, you know, whatever. And I

remember leaving and they were laughing

and I was like, "That is so heavenly,

that feeling." And I've been chasing the

dragon ever since. Really? Cuz when you

crush an audition

in a weird way, I like it better than

doing the job. Sure. Cuz then you the

weird thing is like sometimes you'll get

the part and you're like, "Oh, [ __ ] Now

what?" And you get to the set and it's

like, "No, in the audition I did it this

way." And they're like, "Forget about

the audition." So what we want you to do

is this totally different thing.

And then you're like, "But no eyebrows

now." It's a different pressure when

you're performing for the thing that a

million people will see. the audition.

It's just for that room. Okay. So, you

started I mean, people know might know

this about you, but you you were doing

commercials when you were a kid. Yep.

How many did you do as a kid? I was a

child actor, I guess you could say.

Which is a little embarrassing always.

Why? Well, because there's a stigma to

child actors, you know, like it's not

good for kids to be out there in the

industry. Do you think it is? Um, it is

if they love it, you know, and I loved

it, so it was good for me. But um yeah,

you know, if if you get the sense that

there's a stage mom or stage dad that's

pushing it. Yeah. And the kid doesn't

actually want to be there, that's when I

I can imagine some psycholog

psychological damage. It's like child

labor. It's like leave him alone. How

old were you when you joined um the

actors? The actors gang. I was 16 years

old. Yeah. I got in there early. What

was the actors gang for people that

don't know? So, the actor's gang was

like the radical

political comedia delarte almost like a

theater group um that got going and

popular in the 80s. And it was Tim

Robbins and a group of other actors from

UCLA who started this company. And uh if

you were a young actor in the 80s and

you were checking out the theater scene,

they were the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

They were just like the Green Beretss.

They were so rad. And uh I would go to

their shows.

Um their plays. They had a play called

Carnage, a comedy that was all about

televangelism. And they had another show

called Freaks, and it was about circus

uh workers and and performers. And I was

like just hanging out. You were like the

teen. Yeah. In the actors gang. You were

like the the young teen. I was the young

teen and I just wanted to be part of

that world so much and uh and they uh

cast me. I got a little part in a show

called uh uh the big show down in Santa

Monica and it was all about the South

American Sandinista like uh all of the

politics surrounding that and American

uh you know

globalism a bunch of [ __ ] and then I

didn't really get it but

um it was super fun and I uh brought

some songs and I brought some music and

And they they let me put some songs into

the play really that you had written.

Yeah. Well, just little jingles. The

director said, "Hey, we we need some

little songs here." Because it was like

a game show and um and so I did a little

a little of that and that's where I met

Kyle and it started off as a little bit

of like a a rivalry because he was the

music guy in the company and I was

coming in with my songs and but you

didn't really you didn't learn guitar

till a little bit later, right? You were

playing guitar. I wasn't playing guitar.

I was just recording songs on my on my

uh four track. Yeah. A tascam fourtrack

machine. Oh man. But that's how I got

into the actors gang. And then we ended

up going to the Edinburgh theater

festival in '89.

And uh then we took that show over to

Joe Pap's Public Theater in New York.

Yeah. And got the worst review I'd ever

read. But I thought it was so mean that

it turned funny to me. Like I actually

kind of liked reading it. I was like,

"Oh, I was just laughing at how mean it

was the slam." You can take it. You can

cuz I Well, I guess cuz it didn't say

specific, but I've had things written

specifically about me that really really

hurt my feet. Like it's really hard for

me, embarrassingly so, to even like I

remember when um my um book came out,

there was a really bad review. I wonder

if he listened or if he just read cuz I

listened and loved. Thanks, Steve. Love

your book. Thank you.

You know what? You know what I was

specifically uh interested in was your

time at uh what what was the theater

company where you learned the improv

from the guru of improv? Dell Close.

Dell Close. Improv Olympic and because

I've only heard whispers of this

mythical creature named Dell Close. You

would have loved him and you would you

would have share a lot and he would have

loved you. He was the like this guru

very

misenthropic guy when you you know we

were all young upstarts and we were

catching him at the end of his life but

he started back with Ela May and Mike

Nichols and the Compass players and all

that like and he was kind of the one

that stayed behind to be the teacher

while everyone else became very famous.

He just made you feel like you were like

that improv was its own art form that it

wasn't some step to because you're

bringing up the actors gang and I have

to say like improv and sketch. There was

when I was in Chicago there was like

Stephen Wolf. Yeah. You know the

Goodman. Yeah. And then there were like

oh the dumb asses that do sketch.

Like that was the feeling like we were

like the makers of Mary over here and

they were like the real actors, right?

And you had a you started out with like

like in the real actors kind of but

there was some there was some

dumb ridiculousness happening over there

too. Did you ever do Groundlings then?

Did No, I never did Groundlings, but I

did go and enjoy and watch uh I watched

Maya uh jam out over there. Maya

Rudolph, we went to high school

together. I know people don't know. Do

you do you remember her in high school?

What was she like? I do remember because

I was like the king of the castle and I

was rocking with my my improv classes

over there and then she came in. She was

like four year three years younger and

she was so good at improv I actually got

intimidated and then I had a crisis and

I couldn't do improv for like a whole

year. She was like this kid is is just a

kid and she's so much better than me.

What's happening? I can't She got you in

your head. She got in my head. That

makes sense because when Maya talks to

me about you, you have a very older

brother vibe to her. Like she looks as

looks up to you and also, you know, it

is kind of like how old were you when

you met everybody like you just will

never that'll never change. Like you'll

probably always think of Maya as like

younger and she definitely gives you an

older brother vibe. Like that's so

funny. When did we when did we first

meet? Do you remember? Did we meet

before SNL? Yes, cuz we did a movie

together. Not before SNL. The movie had

to be after SNL. Was it before? I don't

Hold on. Let me check my Let me tell

you. Let me tell you what my first

memory of you is. I saw you on Conan and

you played Andy Richtor's little sister.

Yeah. And you had those braces on and I

was like, "What? Who the hell is that?"

cuz it I did not know you but it was

like you were shot out of a cannon. You

were so funny and so

intense and your love for Conan was so

like white hot. I was like this person

whoever this is is a revelation and I

was obsessed with you and I talked years

later with Mike Shore about it and I was

like were you obsessed with Amy like I

was the first time she was on con. He's

like [ __ ] of course. I was like, "Yeah,

you had an effect, I think, on a whole

like community of comedians and

performers like, uh, dude, there's

someone new on the stage." You must have

felt that like there must be a before

and after that Conan appearance.

Totally. Yeah. Conan was huge in the

beginning of my career and Yeah. And

that and also so many people were

watching the same thing back then. Like

everybody was watching Conan. Everyone

was watching Letterman. Like anyone who

was in comedy was watching the same

thing at the same time. That's true.

Yeah. And that when I would do that

Andy's Little Sister thing that Brian

Stack wrote,

uh, I got a ton of jobs from that. I got

my first movie from that. S, you maybe

didn't have to audition for some things.

They were like, you we want that. They

were like, we we want you to be weird

like that forever. We want you to yell

like that forever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Those were so fun. But we met, didn't we

meet? I You think we met before that?

Okay. I have a terrible memory. Yeah.

But me, too. I You do? Yeah. This could

be tough. What we're about to try to do.

I feel like I might have one of my my

first famous person that I ever knew was

Jannine Garop. She was like my first

famous friend and Janine's a real

connector and I feel like I might have

gone to a party in Los Angeles and I

think you might have been there. Yeah,

that sounds right. And then we did a

movie together which was thrilling.

Yeah. And that movie was called It was

Don't Tell Me, I'm going to get this

one. Jingle, Jingle, Ringle, Bungle,

Doo Rise,

Envy, man. Uh, I loved working with you

on Envy. Oh my god. We were Let's be

honest though, Envy, it kind of whiffed.

It's like, not only did it whiff, but it

opened the same day as Mean Girls. Do

you know that? Oh, yes. And I remember

being like, I'm in two

movies. Like what? Like I had not been

in a lot of movies. And they were open

on the same day. And I remember

thinking, this is going to be great.

Yeah. Two movies, same day. And then one

didn't really Yeah. survive. And for

people that don't know this movie, Envy,

directed by the great Barry Levenson,

who? Yes. Ben Stiller. Yes. Rachel Vice.

Right. Me, you,

you think? I know. I should explain for

the maybe the five or six people that

haven't seen Envy that Jack and I play a

couple who get like Nuvo Ree because you

invent this way to get rid of dog poo.

Yes. Where you vaporize it. They poo

rise.

And Ben Stiller plays the irritated and

then obsessive neighbor. Yes. Who starts

to like be overwhelmed by our success.

And I I think I've told the story

before, but this was an example of I was

like, "Oh, I need to be a better actor."

Rachel Vice, incredible actress,

um, and played like my friend in the

movie, Ben's wife, and we were all

friends in the movie. Um, she I remember

she took a ton of notes and she was like

writing in her script and and I remember

thinking, uhoh,

I haven't prepared enough. And at one

point she said, um, I I I sort of feel

like we're best friends.

And I thought she was talking about me.

And I said,

"Oh, I said like that was like week

two." I said, "Oh my god, thank you."

And she was like,

"Oh, we met our characters." And I was

like, "Of course." Oh my god. Our

characters and I and I um and I looked

back at my script like, "Uh-huh. Yep. I

think let me see what notes I've t

taken." I did not prep enough. And she

was so good. Such a great actress. Oh my

god. Yeah, but I didn't I was maybe I

was I was inexperienced on that set. I

have to say I didn't really know what I

was doing. Yeah, it was like a it was a

good learning experience. Mhm. And then

I remember at the time I was like, see,

you don't have to be stressed. You can

just relax and have fun and have good

vibes the whole time. And then when it

kind of belly flopped, I was like, maybe

I do need more stress. Maybe it's not

good to be so comfortable and relaxed

all the time. Well, it's kind of like

what we were talking about before though

because I find and hear and know that

the way you like to work is very I I

appreciate it and I feel similarly like

I do think you're supposed to be having

fun. Yeah. You do a lot of movies where

it's like a ton of months like a long

time to shoot technical movies like big

movies like how do you like green screen

you're way away like I know you just

shot Anaconda in Australia like you're

like it's it's not like three weeks you

know small lighting setup and you're

out. It is three months tour of duty.

How do you stay like how do you manage

that long day?

Well, I kind of like it the uh the

structure of the day because you got to

get your sleep and everything's built

around getting all your work done and

your all the sleep you need cuz I need

that beauty rest more than ever. Uh and

and so you you compartmentalize the

family's at home so you're able to just

in a weird way it's kind of like a

vacation. Even though it's hard work,

you don't have all the distractions.

you're focused just on this one thing

and I need my at least 1 hour of

memorization every night where I just

focus on the thing. You memorize at

night. Uh I do I memorize the the uh the

next three days worth of or you know

whatever I've got on the call sheet. The

call sheet is my guide and they all just

give you three days ahead of time. So

you're like, "Okay, I'm going to

memorize all three of these every night

and just keeps you three days ahead of

the game." How much sleep do you want to

get a night? What What's your ideal

number? My ideal number is what they

tell you. Eight hours is golden. But I

usually will get six. That's not enough.

I know. But I wake up and then I need to

do a little bit of New York Times uh uh

spelling be and then I will go back for

bonus snuselberries once I get to

genius.

But um do you have are you a snorer? Do

you snore? I do. I have a CPAP machine.

Dude, so do I. Come on. CPAP team unite.

CPAP. Oh, I love it. Let me tell you

something. Let's talk about our CPAP

machine. My CPAP machine was a game

changer. Changed my life. And now I

can't sleep without it. Never want to.

Well, I can take I can take a nap. Like

I took a nap at SNL. Yeah. But to do

that, I have to go kind of like elephant

man where I get so many pillows that I'm

almost sitting up. But it's the only way

cuz if I lay down flat might die. I

don't know. I wake up with like horrible

like headaches and nightmares. Like wake

up before you die nightmare.

I wish we could bring out our our sleep

things, right? Our caps right now. That

would be funny to look at us. I know. I

brought I put mine in a movie. In my

country, I used my CPAP. Oh, nice. Cuz I

wanted to make sure I never got laid

again. So, I put That was a thing. It

was a It was a thing when when I first

started doing it because it takes a

little while to get used to. a few days.

And how about your partner to be like

you're not going to sleep on your belly

anymore. You liked that. Well, that's

gone. Yeah. So, you know, you got to

figure out, okay, I'm going to sleep on

my side like this and then I can sleep

on my back and just don't go on your

belly. Um and then it was like, um, is

it possible to have sex while wearing

your CPA half machine? But why would you

just take it off and have sex and then

put it back on? But think about this.

You've been married for a long time.

When you're not married, you're like, I

got something to tell you. Is this a

turn off? or turn on that you have this

diabetic. Right before I go to sleep, I

got to tell you something

and you're going to hear it first.

That's love. That's love. I mean, some

people have a Darth Vader kink. They

want that mask. Mask on. Mask off. Mask

off. Your choice, babe. Your choice,

babe. Air coming in. Air coming out.

Mouth tape. No. Butt tape. Yes. Tape up

that butt.

Oh, butt tape. Butt tape. Wait, Jack,

can I talk to you about um Kelly the

Kelly Clarkson Tanner moment? I texted

you. I loved that moment so much. For

those people who don't know, yes, you

were doing Kelly Clarkson Tanner from

Love on the Spectrum. Amazing show.

You're a fan of that show. Love it. He's

a fan of you. Love him particularly him.

He talked about wanting to meet you and

then you ran out and greeted him and

well this all started years ago because

my sons loved Love on the Spectrum and I

was like oh good this is our show cuz

I'm always looking for ways to connect

with my boys who just don't want

anything to do with me cuz once they hit

that age that 16 18 it's like the least

thing you want to do is hang out with

your parents and anything I like they're

automatically well then I hate it. Um,

but they like the show and I was like, I

want to watch it with you guys. And we

watched it and we loved that show and

loved Tanner. Um, and I got a call from

Lewis, our publicist, who was like,

"Hey, Kelly Clarkson is asking uh if

you'll do a video for Tanner from Love

on the Spectrum, who loves you." I was

like, "What? He loves me? Yes, I want to

do a video." So, I made a video for

Tanner just telling him how much we love

the show and how great he is and I love

his philosophy of life is like his whole

life is the his mission is to bring

smiles and joy around the world like we

need more tanners and I sent that over

and they showed it and he saw it on the

Kelly Clarkson show like oh my god it's

Jack Black he knows me and then my name

and so we didn't meet we just had that

one connection through Kelly Clarkson

then I got the call saying hey he's

going to be here at the same time you're

here promoting Minecraft, will you do a

surprise jump run out to them? And I was

like, uh, yeah, this sounds really great

because it was, you know, they were long

overdue that we meet in person. And so

they had that idea that I thought was

really funny where it looks like I did a

pre-tape and I was like, I'm sorry I

couldn't be there. I'm on the road

promoting Minecraft, but just want to

tell you that uh that uh I just think

you're amazing. But I also have

superpowers. Uh, kung fu panda like a

ninja moves which means I can come

through the doors right now and I come

running in and I thought it was so funny

that I was like that's going to be funny

cuz it's a good reveal. I was like I

hope that it's a surprise and that no

one tells them. And when I came through

I wasn't prepared for how emotional it

was. It was really emotional and I

almost started crying. We were hugging.

There was so much love. I know. I know.

And uh I

know it was so sweet. Yeah. And it was

like uh Yeah. When he asked me for my

phone

number and uh Did you give it to him? I

did give I gave a contact. There's a way

for us to communicate now. Very good.

But um yeah, to be continued. I gota I

got to get with him. We have a a plan to

do some workouts. He's going to show me

some techniques for mo for bodybuilding.

It's so good. And and also Okay, so this

leads us to in many ways to what you're

working on now, which by the way,

congrats on this monster movie. Thank

you. My kids have seen it twice. Really?

I love that. They love it. They're right

in the sweet spot. They're 14 and 16 and

they grew up with Minecraft and they

love it. It just goes to show I had a

blast making it. I I love I love Jared.

He we work together on Nacho Libre. But

while I'm making it, I you know, I feel

the same as like Envy. And this could be

another vapeoo rise. We might get

vaporized and no one goes to see the

movie. You just don't know. You go out

there, you do the best you can. You let

the chips fall where they may. And this

time it feels like we rolled the yatsi.

Hundreds. And it's like, holy [ __ ] Are

you kidding? There's people going ape

out of this movie star.

Jackpot. Bask in it. Just enjoy it right

now. Let's just raise their Oh, that

sunshine. You're the biggest [ __ ]

movie star in the world. You are in so

many hits, Jack. Hit after hit after

hit. Oh, have you heard of Jumanji? Have

you heard of School of Rock? Have you

heard of Mario? Nuts. Have you heard of

Minecraft? Kung Fu Panda. Kung Fu Panda.

Incredible,

dude. I know. It's awesome. It's nutty.

Oh my god. And that movie looks so like

like I got to tell you that Minecraft if

I just may like was so huge in my house

especially during co Yeah cuz you have

boys. I have boys like building was like

their their way. They really that's how

they got through the pandemic is I'm

going to go build something. The

crafting. Yes. And the mining. This is

like Legos for a new generation. Yeah.

And the music in it is so meditative and

uh there there's some some architecture

in there where you I think there's

benefits to it. We're going to see a

whole new generation of architects

making crazy looking buildings because

their brains are exercised hundreds of

hours on making structures even though

it's in the virtual world. But uh there

was also an element of Jared wanting us

to look

ridiculous because my costume is so

formfitting and really was just very

revealing of my shape. My pear-shaped

you that I'm like right now I'm wearing

this stuff. This is all to distract you

from my shape. I like a triple XL

t-shirt with so much crazy I've heard

you have a t-shirt collection. I do.

Well, this is mostly what it is. It's

tiedye explosions and it kind of drives

your eye away from my shape. But this

costume, it was just like a tight

sweater shirt and then Jason Mimoa with

that ridiculous mullet and like a pink

leather jacket with fringe. He looks so

ridiculous. That's part of the charm

though. It's like we're not here to look

pretty. We're here to make some funny

ridiculousness happen. I will say I know

I get a little stressed on set when I'm

tight when I have tight things around my

shape. Did you get was it did you have

to get used to that? I felt fine because

it was tight but it was stretchy. Yeah.

So I was never restricted and moving.

The feeling is so that's my main thing

is I I'm I'm always able to get real

physical. I know you're so physical. So

we do this thing on our show where we

have people talk about the guest before

they come on. So I I get somebody to

come on in the beginning. So we got

Nora Aquafina. Aquafina in the house and

Nora and I were talking before you came

in just about you and what she thinks I

should ask you. And um uh she mentioned

a bunch of things and we just talked a

lot about your physicality like how much

you like to move, how funny it is, how

cool it is to be around. And she was

saying when you guys were doing press

that like you were doing a lot of um

kicks. Yeah. When in doubt, kick it out.

I was doing some we called them chop

kicks. Chop kicks. That's right. It's

like chopsticks but chop kicks. And uh

that was also along the lines of I

refuse to let these junket interviews

get boring. I'm going to go nuts if need

if need be. If I ever feel like we're

going down a road, I'm going to the chop

kicks will come out. There'll be flurry.

I would love to do that. especially like

on the red carpet like you I'm really

admire it. You take

over like you you take over that thing

so it's your fun time and like people

are invited to it. It's not the other

way around. Like you have a really good

time promoting stuff. You refuse to have

it be boring for you if I'm in the zone.

Yeah. Yeah. Like when you recorded that

um for Mario when you recorded uh the

Britney song on the red carpet. Kung Fu

Panda. The last Kung Fu Panda. Yes. When

you recorded Kung Fu Panda, you recorded

Tell me you you recorded a video on the

red carpet during the premiere. So our

director of Kung Fu Panda 4 said, "Hey,

I really want a Tenacious Dong in the

movie. Like could you guys do a cover?"

I was like, "It depends. Like what do

you think?" And he was like, "You know,

Pat Benitar, hit me with your best

shot." And I was like, I love Pat

Benitar, but that doesn't feel right.

And then it was actually Sharon, our

manager, who was like, you should do

Britney Spears. I was like, Britney

Spears. Wait a second. That's ringing

some bells. And then I said, hit me baby

one more time. Is the one hit me baby

one more time because it's Kung Fu Panda

hitting me one more time. And uh we we

uh bounced that off the director, Mike

Mitchell. And he was like, "Yes, do it."

And so I called Kyle and we went and we

laid down the hot tracks and it just so

happened that our bass player who also

does all the producing of all the

Tenacious D albums is obsessed with

Britney Spears. So I was like this is

falling into place. Yes. And he laid

down a bed that was a little faster than

Britney's version. So it had a little

more paprika cuz you don't want to just

come and just do exactly what they did.

You want to put a little different spin

on it. Mhm. And I got so into this one

part that's really hard vocally and I

did it probably like a hundred times and

I would come back on different days like

it's still not there that where she's

like give me a

sign. She does this little vocal and

it's like a little trill. It's a little

up and down like one of these. Mhm. M

and I didn't really have it and uh we

kept kept on working it and then I got

it one day and that's all you need. You

just need to capture the lightning in

the bottle one time and I was like put

it in and he put it in. I was

like I was very proud of that Britney

Spears cover. So good. Jack, you are my

favorite singer. Your voice is

incredible. Everything you sing is so

good. Peaches is my favorite song. It's

like should be everyone's wedding song.

And every Tenacious D song, every song

you cover, every song you sing. I got to

sing with you once. We sang The Rose.

Remember we said the Rose Festival

Supreme? I had a festival for those of

you who don't know. It was a comedy

music festival. We did it for four

years. And I thought this is going to be

the [ __ ] Coachella of comedy music.

And it was not. Every year less people

came. I was like, what is wrong with the

world that this is not getting bigger

every year? But then finally we quit

doing it. But I stand by it. It was the

best festival. It was the best. And you

were so beautiful to say, "Yeah, I'll do

it." I You answered the call. I didn't I

didn't know if you'd be avails, but you

came down. You said, "I'll do it, but

I want you to come out and sing with me,

Jack." I was like, "Done. Done." A

dream. What are we singing? God, I love

singing with you. I love your voice. And

we rehearsed and there was the great

That was John Spiker. We've heard he's a

sweetheart. Awesome. And um I I was

having I was kind of geeking out a

little bit. I had to play it really cool

cuz I love your voice and love singing

with you. But like do you ever feel

should we do a little right now of the

rose? I can't remember. But I think What

key is it in

Hold on. Okay. I'm not going to get any

of those lyrics right by the way.

Did we harmonize?

Yeah, it was.

[Music]

Power of

songs. It is a

rainbow that never

[Music]

I remembered not one

word or the melody or the harmony. I

understood it, Jack. We're still getting

applause though. Applause. Wait, Jack,

do you hear that? Do you hear that,

Jack? Someone's clapping for us. But on

the day when we did it at Festival

Supreme, so good. You can see it online.

You can see it online. See it online the

way it was meant to be. We just needed

one more rehearsal here before we did.

Lyrics are a little stressful because

lyrics in general are stressful when

they repeat, but they're just they're

the same but not the same. Like weed and

leaf or like love and light, whatever. I

got to really know those lyrics. Do you

use a prompter when you perform? Not

with Tenacious D, but I have. No, but I

have used it. I mean, because those

songs I wrote those songs, so I feel

still I I feel them in my blood. And you

know, we do have rehearsals. We go we go

and we work it all out. And yeah, that's

my my uh memory gymnasium.

But these songs that other people wrote,

especially, you know, when the lyrics

don't really tell a story, it's easier

when you tell a story that's linear.

Yes, some of those words are just

[ __ ] gobbledegook. Like I mean I

there's nobody better than Elton John,

but Bernie's lyrics sometimes I'm like,

"Wow, no kidding. What's going on?" But

Take Me to the Pilot is one of my

favorite songs of all time, but I have

no idea what it's about. Or even like,

you know what is arguably the greatest

rock and roll song ever written,

Stairway to Heaven. If there's a hustle

in your hedge, don't be a law man. What

the [ __ ] He says, "Don't be alarmed,

man." Oh, is that what it is? I thought

it was Don't be alarmed now. Oh, you're

probably right. It's just a spring clean

for the May Queen. I contend Robert

Plant doesn't know what that song's

about. Nobody knows what that's about.

And it doesn't matter. And every time I

hear that song, I get a feeling I'm in

an eighth grade gym. Yeah. That song's

coming on and I'm like, I got to dance

with uh whoever I dance with is it's

going to be like nine minutes of dancing

with them. It's like you're just panic

of like I got to find a boy and it's

going to go slow and then fast and then

slow again. Like it's asking a lot. I

remember dancing school dances Stairway

to Heaven came on and the feeling of

this is going to be 10 minutes of my

life. I can't choose wrong and I

just the idea of dancing to Stairway to

Heaven is so funny to me cuz it's like

is it slow dancing? You had to start

slow and then what do you do when it

starts rocking really hard though? And

you separate. You go flying on down the

road. Air guitar.

You play your leg like an air guitar. Is

it weird? When I dance, I like to close

my eyes because um I feel less

inhibitions. Yeah. I get a little

self-conscious on the dance floor. You

do? Well, I like to dance. Here's what

I'm nervous about. Eye contact on the

dance floor. Uh yeah, but what if you

point?

But if you point, you're good. You go.

Hey. I guess I immediately start feeling

like are is the dance partner

uncomfortable with my eye contact? And

also how how do I fit into this? Do they

think I'm dancing well? Um there's just

something I think I prefer to dance

alone

with no one around. Well, if I'm going

to go dance and maybe I'd like to have

like a half hour warm up by myself and

then like go right into the dance party.

Yeah. I'm like getting warmed up. like

walking and going, "Hey,

right." But you don't want to be It's

like right now this feels good, but it

probably looks bad. No, it looks great.

But I know what you

mean, right? And the eye contact is a

little weird in because maybe it's

weird. It's different for a guy, but I

know what you mean. You have to You want

You have to kind of like be like, "Hey."

But not keep on there too long. Yeah.

Just you just have to go Jack. But you

can't. If I stay any longer than that,

it's weird because then the person feels

like they have to point back at you and

dance with you. Yes. Yeah. But when

you're dancing, I feel like you're

feeling it. You're letting the feeling

of the dance, the music is moving you.

Yeah. And I like closing my eyes, too. I

And I think I do some of that when I can

break out of my self-conscious. But a

lot of the time, I think I'm dancing

like I'm putting on a show, which can be

stressful for me and anyone I'm dancing

with. Okay. But this is really

interesting because you're such a

physical person and you're very very

comfortable physically. Yeah. But I bet

you feel pressure when you dance to

dance funny. Yes. I don't. Oh, I don't I

take that pressure away. That's why

you're good because no one expects that

of you. Everyone expects and you are a

good dancer. So you could just be

dancing and not have to feel like you

have to perform while you're dancing.

Like dance for yourself. Like the way

that you dance now. Yeah. No one taught

you to do that. You just do it. Right.

Right. Cuz I was just thinking maybe you

can teach me how to dance. But then I

was like that's not how it works. Jack,

have you seen Foot Loose? He's not going

to teach you how to dance. Have you seen

Foot Loose? That's exactly how it works.

He teaches them to dance. Will you be my

Kevin Bacon?

Remember that when he's like, "Come on,

man." I remember it was like illegal to

dance in that town.

[Music]

That's the best part. Um, I have a few

more things before we finish. Uh, so

Nora asked about the, um,

Chopkicks. She also, um, asked me to ask

you about Gallagher, too. I can't

believe she asked you to ask Here,

here's a confession. Okay. I had never

laughed harder than when I first saw

Gallagher on television in

1974, 1975. I was just like five or six

years old, maybe seven. And he was on a

show called Laugh in which was a game

show which was

just random audience members on stage

and then these professional comedians

who would make them laugh. That was the

whole point of the game. And you had to

not laugh. That was not laughing. Okay,

you're right. Not laughing. It was make

me laugh. I remember make me laugh. Make

me laugh. And I remember seeing

Gallagher and uh he did the funniest

[ __ ] Yes, he was he was exploding

pumpkins or or watermelons. But he also

did this one where he came out and he

was just like, "Uh, you vegetarian?" He

had a banana. You vegetarian? And and

the the person who the contestant was

like, "No." And me neither. And he

peeled off the banana and there was a

hot dog inside and they took a bite and

I [ __ ]

laughed and cried. And it hurt me. I was

like, "This is the genius. This is who I

want to be. I want to be Gallagher.

And then, you know, over the years and

the decades go by and you got different

heroes and I was like, "Yeah, he kind of

faded in the past." But, but I always

remembered no one made me laugh harder

than that when I was 6 years old. And

then I heard like the saga amazing the

drama. A friend of mine wanted to make a

movie, a documentary about his life

because mainly of his drama that he had

with his brother who he taught all of

his moves to. He's like, "Look, we're

going to franchise this. You're going to

do what I teach you to do, and then

you'll go out as Gallagher 2." And his

brother was like, "Yeah, teach me your

ways. I'll do it." And

then over the over the course of the

years of them doing this, uh, he and his

brother kind of had a falling out and

they didn't and and Gallagher was like,

"You know what? We're done. You're not

Gallagher 2 anymore. I'm pulling the

plug on that." And then Gallagher 2 was

like, "I choose not to stop. I am

Gallagher." In fact, yeah, maybe I'm

Gallagher one. Maybe you're Gallagher 2.

And the manager, Gallagher's manager,

sided with the brother for some reason.

And it got latigious and it got [ __ ]

weird. And I just thought this is

Shakespearean this. And then the manager

also, he had a a a kid in the

neighborhood who would come over all the

time was like, "You manage Gallagher?

That's the coolest thing ever. I want to

be a comedian someday, too, and be like

Gallagher." And then the manager was

like, "Tell you what, kid. I'll teach

you everything that Gallagher had done."

And taught him all the things. And that

kid grew up to be Carrot Top. No, I'm

not joking.

This is an epic movie. The fact that

little Carrot Top is the heir apparent

to those and that Gallagher 2, the

moment when Gallagher 2 says, "Maybe I'm

Gallagher one," is like

incredible. That's like Game of Thrones

or something or Yeah, it's very dramatic

and entertaining and compelling. You got

to do that movie. You got to have it.

You kind of have to have the the sign

off on the the the the all parties

involved to really do that. Otherwise, I

think it gets you don't want that kind

of anger and bad mojo on your project.

You don't want the House of Gallagher

coming. Tell that. Yes. No, you don't

want that. Um Okay, two last things. Do

you remember um uh Boys Night Out? Yes.

Do you remember the sketch that didn't

make it on SNL when I was there with

you? Yes. Emily Spivey and I wrote a

sketch called Boys Night Out and it was

Jack waiting for the boys to arrive and

he they never showed up and just kept

ordering more wings. But there was a

song. Do you remember the song to it?

Boys Night

Out. Boys Night Out. Now we're really

rocking and the chicks are all squacking

cuz I'm talking about a boy night out.

You never forget a song like that. Thank

you so much. That's all I needed to

hear. Okay. And then the last thing I've

been asking my guests is what do you do?

What do you watch? Go to what what song?

What video? What uh comedy clip? What

old show? What do you What's your

comfort? What do you do when you're not

working and when you want to just like

peace out and chill out? Where do you

go? I have recently There's Can I say

three different things? Absolutely. Um,

one thing I realized I stopped listening

to music. I was only listening to

podcasts and and audio books and I was

like, I got to get music back in my life

stat. And so I did this thing called

chrono marathons where you pick a band

that you love and then you've never done

this before to that band. So you start

at the very first album and you go

chronologically through their whole

catalog. It's a great way to get in the

nooks and crannies. And there's probably

some bonus tracks that you never

listened to. Listen to all of it, even

the shitty songs, because then you find

these. It's just an interesting way to

hear music. I had never done it before.

And I swear I swear by it. Who have you

done? Well, it's going to sound boring.

No, but I went to the ones that were

like the ones, you know, I did Pink

Floyd, I did the Rolling Stones, I I did

the Beatles, I did Led Zeppelin, I did

um uh uh uh uh Elton John most recently.

Uh just, you know, all these

great, you know, musicians and people

that you're like, I bet you there's some

songs that I've never even heard that

they wrote and you go in complete order

and I've heard all of them now. And I

like to do a little star on the ones

that are my extra specials. And the most

fun part is going, "Oh, this album is

when they [ __ ] hit their stride." And

you go, "They got this window here."

There's usually like a four or five year

window where their best [ __ ] went down.

Why? Why then? And it's also like, oh

yeah, I love this band in this window.

1978 Steely Dan, you know. But anyway,

oh, love that. That's amazing. That's so

fun. That's great. Uh I also like uh to

get my steps. I walk around the house.

You love your steps. I do. It's all

about the steps for me. So, how many

steps a day do you try to get? Uh I I I

like to get somewhere between 10 and 20.

Great. If I got 20 every day, I think I

could eat whatever I want. 20,000 steps

is hard to get. It's hard. It's hard to

get there. Um I also really love to

watch old movies.

Um

yeah, it's a new thing. my my uh I've

entered my cinnaphile phase of my life.

Um where do you watch your old movie?

I watch at home. I watch at home. On TV.

On TV. I've got a nice juicy television

screen. Yeah. And I like to be guided by

uh people that really know great cinema.

Um, for instance, I read this book,

Cinema Speculation by uh, Quentyn

Tarantino, and he just talks about the

movies that shaped him and that he loves

and and I will listen to a chapter where

he just focuses on one movie like

Rolling Thunder or whatever the kids he

likes a lot of westerns and and then

I'll watch the movie that he was talking

about and then I'll go back and listen

to the chapter again like a cuckub. It's

kind of like going to school. That's

what I say. Like you're creating a

little school for yourself. creating a

school that I would want to go to.

Actual school, I fall asleep. But this

this when I curate my own school, it's

really fun. Oh my god, Jack, I love you

so much. Thank you for doing this. This

was so fun. I think I asked you

everything I needed to ask you. I mean,

I love you. I I hope we get to see each

other more. The feelings mute. You're

the best. Thanks for coming by. Thanks

for doing

this. What do I say about the great Jack

Black? He's just the best. And I'm so

grateful that he came by. Love him so

much. So does America. So does the

world. And you know, um, we always like

to end these episodes with a little

polar plunge. We'd like to go in a

little bit deeper. Jump in somewhere um

that we maybe talked about earlier in

the interview. And so I just want to

remind everybody to listen to the song

Peaches from the Super Mario movie that

Jack Black I I'm assuming wrote. I

didn't check it out. But I'm I'm sure

him and other people wrote that song. Um

maybe just himself. His performance in

Peaches is like most of his vocal

performances exquisite. And I would say

that to me it is the most romantic song

I've heard in the past 10 years. And it

should be everybody's wedding song.

Peaches. Peaches. Peaches. Peaches.

Peaches. Peaches.

Stop this podcast. Listen to Peaches.

Listen to it over and over again. Learn

the words. Sing it to someone when you

propose to them. I promise they will say

yes. Okay, that's been another episode

of Good Hang. Thanks for checking us

out. See you soon.

Bye. You've been listening to Good Hang.

The executive producers for this show

are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman,

and me, Amy Per. The show is produced by

The Ringer and Paperkite. For The

Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Cat

Spalain, Kaia McMullen, and Alia

Xanerys. for Paperkite production by Sam

Green, Joel Levelvel, and Jenna Weiss

Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.

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