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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:29,447 --> 00:00:30,990 - Since the day she vanished, 2 00:00:31,031 --> 00:00:32,429 I searched everywhere 3 00:00:32,430 --> 00:00:33,826 until I was exhausted. 4 00:00:33,868 --> 00:00:36,453 I never ignored any leads. 5 00:00:36,495 --> 00:00:38,852 I heard in the news about 6 00:00:38,853 --> 00:00:41,208 where kids had disappeared, and I went there. 7 00:00:44,963 --> 00:00:47,903 Someone would say beggars 8 00:00:47,904 --> 00:00:50,843 had kidnapped them or something else. 9 00:00:50,885 --> 00:00:52,762 Whenever I got 10 00:00:52,763 --> 00:00:54,639 any information, I went there. 11 00:01:05,649 --> 00:01:07,631 Every 15 to 20 days, 12 00:01:07,632 --> 00:01:09,612 a child would vanish. 13 00:01:09,654 --> 00:01:11,864 The significant thing is 14 00:01:11,906 --> 00:01:14,409 this happened 15 00:01:14,410 --> 00:01:16,911 at one specific location. 16 00:01:16,953 --> 00:01:18,621 Rumors were that the children 17 00:01:18,662 --> 00:01:20,623 Went to the water tower and disappeared. 18 00:01:20,664 --> 00:01:22,979 No one knew 19 00:01:22,980 --> 00:01:25,294 what happened to them. 20 00:01:25,336 --> 00:01:29,966 All of these children 21 00:01:30,007 --> 00:01:31,321 were from 22 00:01:31,322 --> 00:01:32,635 lower-class families. 23 00:01:32,676 --> 00:01:34,762 One's father 24 00:01:34,763 --> 00:01:36,848 was a rickshaw driver. Another was a peddler. 25 00:01:36,889 --> 00:01:39,621 These children 26 00:01:39,622 --> 00:01:42,353 would go out to play 27 00:01:42,394 --> 00:01:44,021 and suddenly disappear. 28 00:01:46,356 --> 00:01:48,004 - I wondered, 29 00:01:48,005 --> 00:01:49,652 "What happened? Where is she?" 30 00:01:49,693 --> 00:01:51,654 Such nasty thoughts. 31 00:01:51,696 --> 00:01:53,489 Horrible ideas in my head 32 00:01:53,490 --> 00:01:55,282 about the possibilities. 33 00:01:55,324 --> 00:01:57,451 She is a girl, 34 00:01:57,452 --> 00:01:59,578 so how can a father imagine anything good? 35 00:02:03,082 --> 00:02:04,771 When we were kids, 36 00:02:04,772 --> 00:02:06,460 she told me, 37 00:02:06,502 --> 00:02:08,588 "Ask for some money 38 00:02:08,589 --> 00:02:10,673 from Dad, 39 00:02:10,715 --> 00:02:12,696 so we can 40 00:02:12,697 --> 00:02:14,677 eat something nice." 41 00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:17,680 She would save her 42 00:02:17,681 --> 00:02:20,641 half for Dad, while I would eat the rest. 43 00:02:20,683 --> 00:02:22,122 Mom said, 44 00:02:22,123 --> 00:02:23,561 "You both are so different. 45 00:02:23,602 --> 00:02:25,458 She shares her food, 46 00:02:25,459 --> 00:02:27,314 but you eat yours all up." 47 00:02:33,570 --> 00:02:36,136 Mom told her to take 48 00:02:36,137 --> 00:02:38,701 the clothes to the tailor. 49 00:02:39,618 --> 00:02:42,371 Jyoti said, "I will go." 50 00:02:42,413 --> 00:02:44,957 She bought a banana 51 00:02:44,999 --> 00:02:47,814 and asked Mom 52 00:02:47,815 --> 00:02:50,629 to give me half of it. 53 00:02:50,671 --> 00:02:52,131 She gave me 54 00:02:52,132 --> 00:02:53,590 half of the banana before leaving. 55 00:02:57,260 --> 00:02:59,346 After that, I never saw her. 56 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,975 Dad searched for her. 57 00:03:03,017 --> 00:03:05,082 We waited on the street, 58 00:03:05,083 --> 00:03:07,146 hoping she would turn up. 59 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:10,357 At the house where she went, 60 00:03:10,399 --> 00:03:13,110 Mom even asked him 61 00:03:13,111 --> 00:03:15,821 if he had seen her. 62 00:03:15,863 --> 00:03:17,656 She was right there 63 00:03:17,657 --> 00:03:19,449 in his house. She was still alive. 64 00:03:36,842 --> 00:03:39,950 These children 65 00:03:39,951 --> 00:03:43,057 had been disappearing since January 2005. 66 00:03:43,099 --> 00:03:44,871 That was when the first case 67 00:03:44,872 --> 00:03:46,643 was reported. 68 00:03:46,685 --> 00:03:49,251 Some minor investigations 69 00:03:49,252 --> 00:03:51,816 were done. 70 00:03:51,857 --> 00:03:54,089 But they were not taken 71 00:03:54,090 --> 00:03:56,320 too seriously. 72 00:04:03,161 --> 00:04:05,204 If you look 73 00:04:05,205 --> 00:04:07,247 at the demographics, 74 00:04:07,289 --> 00:04:10,042 Sector 31 is a posh area, 75 00:04:10,084 --> 00:04:12,357 but it's adjacent 76 00:04:12,358 --> 00:04:14,630 to Nithari. 77 00:04:14,671 --> 00:04:17,090 Nithari has a lot of 78 00:04:17,091 --> 00:04:19,509 small huts 79 00:04:19,551 --> 00:04:21,178 occupied by 80 00:04:21,179 --> 00:04:22,805 low-wage laborers. 81 00:04:28,393 --> 00:04:32,857 While I was posted there, 82 00:04:32,898 --> 00:04:35,505 Vinod Pandey was the chief 83 00:04:35,506 --> 00:04:38,112 investigative officer on this case. 84 00:04:38,154 --> 00:04:39,697 When 20 to 25 cases 85 00:04:39,698 --> 00:04:41,240 had piled up, 86 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:43,041 we noticed how many children were missing. 87 00:04:43,909 --> 00:04:45,453 Strange. All of them 88 00:04:45,454 --> 00:04:46,996 from the same area. 89 00:04:50,332 --> 00:04:52,168 There were no clues. 90 00:04:52,210 --> 00:04:54,399 We were pulling 91 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,588 our hair out. 92 00:04:56,630 --> 00:04:58,757 How could 93 00:04:58,758 --> 00:05:00,884 we solve these cases? 94 00:05:03,220 --> 00:05:05,577 -We discovered 95 00:05:05,578 --> 00:05:07,933 many children had vanished in the same manner. 96 00:05:07,975 --> 00:05:10,082 After that, I had the team 97 00:05:10,083 --> 00:05:12,188 map out the areas 98 00:05:12,229 --> 00:05:13,981 where the children 99 00:05:13,982 --> 00:05:15,733 were disappearing from. 100 00:05:16,733 --> 00:05:20,112 We concluded 101 00:05:20,154 --> 00:05:21,677 the children were 102 00:05:21,678 --> 00:05:23,199 disappearing from a 100-meter stretch 103 00:05:23,241 --> 00:05:27,119 near Nithari. 104 00:05:27,161 --> 00:05:30,498 We viewed the area where 105 00:05:30,499 --> 00:05:33,834 the children vanished as a black hole. 106 00:05:33,876 --> 00:05:37,296 We put a police patrol 107 00:05:37,297 --> 00:05:40,716 in the area, so we could stop future incidents. 108 00:05:43,552 --> 00:05:45,179 As soon as the patrol was taken away, 109 00:05:45,221 --> 00:05:46,264 The next day, 110 00:05:46,265 --> 00:05:47,306 two girls vanished. 111 00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:48,870 And when we heard this, 112 00:05:48,871 --> 00:05:50,392 we got very angry. 113 00:05:50,434 --> 00:05:52,561 How was this possible? 114 00:05:52,603 --> 00:05:53,875 We saw there was 115 00:05:53,876 --> 00:05:55,147 no patrol there. 116 00:05:55,189 --> 00:05:57,066 Furious. 117 00:05:57,108 --> 00:05:58,943 We were sure something 118 00:05:58,944 --> 00:06:00,777 was happening there. 119 00:06:00,819 --> 00:06:06,825 We believed that 120 00:06:06,867 --> 00:06:08,953 there was a gang 121 00:06:08,954 --> 00:06:11,038 kidnapping girls 122 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,958 for prostitution 123 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,461 or kids for begging. 124 00:06:33,143 --> 00:06:34,436 -In for four months, 125 00:06:34,478 --> 00:06:37,961 we went to 126 00:06:37,962 --> 00:06:41,443 all the red-light districts. 127 00:06:41,484 --> 00:06:44,279 We went to every 128 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:47,074 red-light area within 500 kilometers of this area. 129 00:06:51,954 --> 00:06:53,623 - Many girls 130 00:06:53,624 --> 00:06:55,291 were rescued because of the raids. 131 00:06:55,332 --> 00:06:57,709 Twenty-one girls were found. 132 00:06:57,751 --> 00:06:59,420 But none of our 133 00:06:59,421 --> 00:07:01,088 Nithari girls. 134 00:07:02,340 --> 00:07:04,716 We were always anxious. 135 00:07:04,758 --> 00:07:07,011 "Maybe she'll be 136 00:07:07,012 --> 00:07:09,263 found today or tomorrow." 137 00:07:09,305 --> 00:07:10,598 That was the 138 00:07:10,599 --> 00:07:11,890 only thought I had. 139 00:07:13,517 --> 00:07:14,622 If she's not alive, 140 00:07:14,623 --> 00:07:15,727 how can I find her? 141 00:07:28,448 --> 00:07:29,742 Please tell me 142 00:07:29,743 --> 00:07:31,035 about my daughter, Jyoti. 143 00:07:31,076 --> 00:07:32,140 What will happen 144 00:07:32,141 --> 00:07:33,203 to her enemies? 145 00:07:41,170 --> 00:07:45,007 Please stay calm. 146 00:07:49,303 --> 00:07:51,576 He has captured 147 00:07:51,577 --> 00:07:53,849 your daughter. 148 00:07:53,891 --> 00:07:55,517 Her mind has been numbed. 149 00:07:55,559 --> 00:07:58,145 So she's oblivious 150 00:07:58,146 --> 00:08:00,730 to her parents' names. 151 00:08:00,772 --> 00:08:02,691 About Jyoti, please. 152 00:08:02,692 --> 00:08:04,609 How is she? 153 00:08:04,651 --> 00:08:06,404 Will there be justice for her? 154 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:10,866 You didn't make a decision. 155 00:08:10,908 --> 00:08:13,348 Why don't you? The decision 156 00:08:13,349 --> 00:08:15,787 is stuck because of you. 157 00:08:36,141 --> 00:08:37,601 Where is the water? 158 00:08:50,781 --> 00:08:52,596 She told us 159 00:08:52,597 --> 00:08:54,410 Jyoti isn't here. 160 00:08:54,451 --> 00:08:57,037 She has been murdered. 161 00:08:57,079 --> 00:08:58,956 There is no point 162 00:08:58,957 --> 00:09:00,832 in looking for her. 163 00:09:00,874 --> 00:09:02,292 She won't be found. 164 00:09:24,815 --> 00:09:26,963 - The people 165 00:09:26,964 --> 00:09:29,111 of Nithari were convinced 166 00:09:29,153 --> 00:09:30,571 something was happening 167 00:09:30,572 --> 00:09:31,989 to the girls there. 168 00:09:37,702 --> 00:09:39,976 - In the beginning, 169 00:09:39,977 --> 00:09:42,249 the cops harassed me a lot. 170 00:09:42,291 --> 00:09:44,564 "Kick him out. His daughter 171 00:09:44,565 --> 00:09:46,836 ran away with someone, 172 00:09:46,878 --> 00:09:48,067 and he is 173 00:09:48,068 --> 00:09:49,256 wasting our time." 174 00:09:52,175 --> 00:09:56,263 She left at four o'clock. 175 00:09:56,305 --> 00:09:58,787 I opened the gate 176 00:09:58,788 --> 00:10:01,268 and put her in a rickshaw. 177 00:10:03,645 --> 00:10:05,647 Sector 31. Nithari. 178 00:10:08,484 --> 00:10:09,693 What could've happened? 179 00:10:09,694 --> 00:10:10,902 Her mobile phone 180 00:10:10,944 --> 00:10:12,446 was switched off. 181 00:10:12,447 --> 00:10:13,947 I felt uneasy. 182 00:10:13,989 --> 00:10:16,200 -Somehow, through someone's 183 00:10:16,201 --> 00:10:18,410 recommendation, I met Nand Lal. 184 00:10:18,452 --> 00:10:21,518 His 22-year-old daughter, 185 00:10:21,519 --> 00:10:24,583 Payal, had vanished. And she had a mobile phone. 186 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:25,893 At that time, I was in charge 187 00:10:25,917 --> 00:10:27,294 Of electronic surveillance 188 00:10:27,295 --> 00:10:28,670 in Noida. 189 00:10:28,711 --> 00:10:30,526 We asked him about 190 00:10:30,527 --> 00:10:32,341 the last time he spoke with her. 191 00:10:32,383 --> 00:10:34,802 Did she fight with someone? 192 00:10:34,803 --> 00:10:37,221 Was she suicidal? 193 00:10:37,262 --> 00:10:38,656 We looked at it from these angles. 194 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:40,390 He said, 195 00:10:40,391 --> 00:10:42,100 "No, she was very happy." 196 00:10:42,142 --> 00:10:44,687 He said, "My daughter 197 00:10:44,688 --> 00:10:47,231 was going to Pandher's house for work." 198 00:10:48,607 --> 00:10:50,526 - There were no clues. 199 00:10:50,568 --> 00:10:52,299 No one was able to give me 200 00:10:52,300 --> 00:10:54,029 any substantial leads. 201 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,369 Suddenly, one day 202 00:11:00,411 --> 00:11:01,475 a local from 203 00:11:01,476 --> 00:11:02,538 the village told me 204 00:11:02,580 --> 00:11:04,832 about the mysterious 205 00:11:04,833 --> 00:11:07,083 happenings at the D5 house. 206 00:11:07,125 --> 00:11:08,585 This house belonged 207 00:11:08,586 --> 00:11:10,045 to a businessman from Chandigarh, 208 00:11:10,086 --> 00:11:12,214 Moninder Singh Pandher. 209 00:11:12,255 --> 00:11:13,694 He was a well-respected 210 00:11:13,695 --> 00:11:15,133 businessman. 211 00:11:15,175 --> 00:11:16,301 His family 212 00:11:16,302 --> 00:11:17,427 was in Chandigarh. 213 00:11:17,469 --> 00:11:19,638 He owned a big company. 214 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,869 One more person lived 215 00:11:21,870 --> 00:11:24,059 in the D5 house. His name was Surinder Koli. 216 00:11:24,101 --> 00:11:25,415 He was the servant 217 00:11:25,416 --> 00:11:26,728 of the house. 218 00:11:26,769 --> 00:11:30,148 He came from Uttarakhand. 219 00:11:30,190 --> 00:11:31,525 He looked like a very quiet 220 00:11:31,526 --> 00:11:32,859 and calm person. 221 00:11:32,901 --> 00:11:35,320 There were a lot of 222 00:11:35,321 --> 00:11:37,739 rumors about Pandher. 223 00:11:37,781 --> 00:11:41,660 That he was an alcoholic. 224 00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:43,286 Whenever he was present 225 00:11:43,287 --> 00:11:44,871 in the house, 226 00:11:44,913 --> 00:11:46,310 call girls 227 00:11:46,311 --> 00:11:47,707 used to come over. 228 00:11:47,749 --> 00:11:50,335 I said to Pandher, "My girl, 229 00:11:50,336 --> 00:11:52,921 Payal, came here the day before yesterday." 230 00:11:52,963 --> 00:11:54,485 He said, "I do not know 231 00:11:54,486 --> 00:11:56,007 any Payal." 232 00:11:56,049 --> 00:11:58,468 We stood there 233 00:11:58,469 --> 00:12:00,887 for a long time, questioning him. 234 00:12:01,805 --> 00:12:05,601 I was suspicious that 235 00:12:05,643 --> 00:12:06,915 she was either 236 00:12:06,916 --> 00:12:08,186 locked up inside 237 00:12:08,228 --> 00:12:11,731 or had been kidnapped. 238 00:12:11,773 --> 00:12:14,193 We tracked the location 239 00:12:14,194 --> 00:12:16,612 of Pandher's mobile phone 240 00:12:16,654 --> 00:12:18,426 on the date 241 00:12:18,427 --> 00:12:20,198 when she went to his house. 242 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,701 He was in Chandigarh. 243 00:12:22,742 --> 00:12:24,369 We called Pandher. 244 00:12:24,411 --> 00:12:25,538 "Where were you 245 00:12:25,539 --> 00:12:26,664 when this girl called you?" 246 00:12:26,705 --> 00:12:28,269 He said his father 247 00:12:28,270 --> 00:12:29,870 had passed away, so he was in Chandigarh. 248 00:12:31,167 --> 00:12:33,086 Pandher was a very 249 00:12:33,087 --> 00:12:35,005 respected person. 250 00:12:35,046 --> 00:12:36,840 But we still verified 251 00:12:36,841 --> 00:12:38,634 everything to be true. 252 00:12:38,675 --> 00:12:41,386 We had no clues, 253 00:12:41,387 --> 00:12:44,097 leads, or suspects. We couldn't do anything. 254 00:12:44,139 --> 00:12:45,912 Then we began to question 255 00:12:45,913 --> 00:12:47,685 Pandher more aggressively. 256 00:12:47,726 --> 00:12:48,748 When we pushed him more, 257 00:12:48,749 --> 00:12:49,769 he broke. 258 00:12:49,811 --> 00:12:51,605 "Payal was a call girl," 259 00:12:51,606 --> 00:12:53,398 he said. 260 00:12:54,857 --> 00:12:57,757 "I used to pay her 261 00:12:57,758 --> 00:13:00,656 25,000 rupees per night," 262 00:13:00,698 --> 00:13:02,198 or something like that. 263 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,013 "Whenever I returned home, 264 00:13:04,014 --> 00:13:05,785 I called her. 265 00:13:05,827 --> 00:13:07,370 She stayed the night 266 00:13:07,371 --> 00:13:08,913 and left the next day." 267 00:13:08,955 --> 00:13:10,561 He told us something 268 00:13:10,562 --> 00:13:12,167 very strange. 269 00:13:12,208 --> 00:13:14,106 Payal's father 270 00:13:14,107 --> 00:13:16,004 used to pimp her 271 00:13:16,045 --> 00:13:19,758 for 40,000 rupees a month. 272 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:21,426 We called Nand Lal back. 273 00:13:22,552 --> 00:13:25,180 He shamelessly admitted, 274 00:13:25,221 --> 00:13:26,285 "Despite what I make 275 00:13:26,286 --> 00:13:27,349 my daughter do, 276 00:13:27,391 --> 00:13:29,727 you still have to find her." 277 00:13:32,479 --> 00:13:33,564 I had completely 278 00:13:33,565 --> 00:13:34,648 given up on my life. 279 00:13:34,690 --> 00:13:37,067 If I have to live, 280 00:13:37,068 --> 00:13:39,444 I have to find her. If not, I'll die. 281 00:13:39,486 --> 00:13:42,135 I won't go home like this. 282 00:13:42,136 --> 00:13:44,783 Both my wife and I had given up on life. 283 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:46,618 I was in no state 284 00:13:46,619 --> 00:13:48,411 to go back home. 285 00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:54,250 We went mad. 286 00:13:56,795 --> 00:13:59,255 But God was with us. 287 00:14:03,802 --> 00:14:05,033 On December 21st, 288 00:14:05,034 --> 00:14:06,263 I got an email 289 00:14:06,304 --> 00:14:07,952 saying Payal's phone 290 00:14:07,953 --> 00:14:09,599 has been tracked. 291 00:14:10,642 --> 00:14:12,060 I was pleased. 292 00:14:20,527 --> 00:14:22,967 The last one said 293 00:14:22,968 --> 00:14:25,407 he got the phone from a rickshaw puller. 294 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,974 We asked him if the phone 295 00:14:29,975 --> 00:14:32,748 was ringing when he got it. 296 00:14:32,789 --> 00:14:34,124 "Yes," he said, 297 00:14:34,125 --> 00:14:35,458 "it was ringing." 298 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:38,128 So, if it was ringing, 299 00:14:38,129 --> 00:14:40,756 it had a SIM card. Where is it now? 300 00:14:40,797 --> 00:14:43,112 SIM cards have unique 301 00:14:43,113 --> 00:14:45,427 15-digit numbers. 302 00:14:45,469 --> 00:14:47,638 He showed me the number, 303 00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:49,807 and I sent it to all the mobile phone companies. 304 00:14:49,848 --> 00:14:52,100 I worked rapidly. 305 00:14:52,141 --> 00:14:55,604 They responded quickly. 306 00:14:55,646 --> 00:14:58,065 The owner's name was 307 00:14:58,066 --> 00:15:00,484 Surinder Koli, Village Nithari, Noida. 308 00:15:02,778 --> 00:15:04,571 Within five to ten minutes, 309 00:15:04,572 --> 00:15:06,364 I was there, in front of the house. 310 00:15:12,161 --> 00:15:13,809 We asked Koli, 311 00:15:13,810 --> 00:15:15,457 "Where did you find this phone?" 312 00:15:15,498 --> 00:15:18,043 He said, "The neighbor's 313 00:15:18,044 --> 00:15:20,587 driver gave it to me." 314 00:15:20,629 --> 00:15:22,569 He was very shrewd, 315 00:15:22,570 --> 00:15:24,508 clever and thick-skinned. 316 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:27,510 We asked the driver, 317 00:15:27,511 --> 00:15:29,095 but he denied it. 318 00:15:29,137 --> 00:15:30,639 The driver said that Koli 319 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,158 had called him before leaving Almora and asked him 320 00:15:32,182 --> 00:15:34,059 to tell the cops that 321 00:15:34,060 --> 00:15:35,935 he found the phone and gave it to Koli. 322 00:15:35,977 --> 00:15:37,688 We caught Koli's lie. 323 00:15:43,193 --> 00:15:44,298 I made 324 00:15:44,299 --> 00:15:45,403 a statue of her. 325 00:15:45,445 --> 00:15:47,927 In my heart, I felt she died 326 00:15:47,928 --> 00:15:50,408 but saved many souls. 327 00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:51,973 If she hadn't been killed, 328 00:15:51,974 --> 00:15:53,495 then so many others would have died. 329 00:15:53,536 --> 00:15:55,809 I felt that our family 330 00:15:55,810 --> 00:15:58,082 should worship her for the rest of our lives. 331 00:15:59,751 --> 00:16:02,337 She was a blessed girl. 332 00:16:02,378 --> 00:16:03,964 She paid with her life 333 00:16:03,965 --> 00:16:05,549 to save many others. 334 00:16:23,316 --> 00:16:24,734 We were about 335 00:16:24,735 --> 00:16:26,152 five to six people. 336 00:16:26,194 --> 00:16:27,279 We always thought 337 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,363 we were good interrogators. 338 00:16:28,404 --> 00:16:30,594 We could deal with different 339 00:16:30,595 --> 00:16:32,784 people's psychology. 340 00:16:32,826 --> 00:16:34,661 But you would not believe 341 00:16:34,662 --> 00:16:36,496 how he dealt with us. 342 00:16:36,538 --> 00:16:37,539 The answers he gave us 343 00:16:37,540 --> 00:16:38,540 were hard to believe. 344 00:16:38,581 --> 00:16:40,333 "I was here, I was there." 345 00:16:40,334 --> 00:16:42,084 We got tired. 346 00:16:42,126 --> 00:16:43,586 When one of us got tired, 347 00:16:43,587 --> 00:16:45,046 the next took over. 348 00:16:45,088 --> 00:16:46,569 It was 349 00:16:46,570 --> 00:16:48,049 non-stop interrogation. 350 00:16:48,091 --> 00:16:50,511 We were getting frustrated. 351 00:16:50,512 --> 00:16:52,930 But he refused to budge. 352 00:16:57,601 --> 00:16:59,561 We were puzzled. 353 00:16:59,562 --> 00:17:01,521 We locked him back up and played some cricket. 354 00:17:01,563 --> 00:17:05,066 We decided to return fresh. 355 00:17:05,108 --> 00:17:06,255 Again, he kept lying 356 00:17:06,256 --> 00:17:07,402 that he didn't know anything 357 00:17:07,443 --> 00:17:08,570 and he had nothing 358 00:17:08,571 --> 00:17:09,696 to do with it. 359 00:17:09,738 --> 00:17:11,197 - He was a very tough criminal. 360 00:17:11,239 --> 00:17:12,761 I've only faced 361 00:17:12,762 --> 00:17:14,283 one or two like him. 362 00:17:14,325 --> 00:17:16,056 As cops, 363 00:17:16,057 --> 00:17:17,787 we can deal with a lot. 364 00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:20,248 We're always 365 00:17:20,249 --> 00:17:22,667 patient and calm. 366 00:17:22,709 --> 00:17:24,335 But he made our blood boil. 367 00:17:24,377 --> 00:17:26,317 He shook everything up. 368 00:17:26,318 --> 00:17:28,256 He made our temperatures rise. 369 00:17:29,465 --> 00:17:30,529 We told him 370 00:17:30,530 --> 00:17:31,593 there was no way out. 371 00:17:31,635 --> 00:17:34,742 You won't get out. 372 00:17:34,743 --> 00:17:37,849 It's either life in prison or death. 373 00:17:37,891 --> 00:17:38,913 Only two choices. 374 00:17:38,914 --> 00:17:39,935 No third option. 375 00:17:39,976 --> 00:17:41,207 When we mentally 376 00:17:41,208 --> 00:17:42,437 terrorized him, 377 00:17:42,479 --> 00:17:44,898 he felt death 378 00:17:44,899 --> 00:17:47,317 was the only way out. 379 00:17:48,985 --> 00:17:50,278 With no way out, 380 00:17:50,279 --> 00:17:51,571 he accepted Payal's murder. 381 00:17:51,613 --> 00:17:52,906 "Since you do not 382 00:17:52,907 --> 00:17:54,198 believe me, fine. I killed her." 383 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,117 He was nonchalant. 384 00:17:56,158 --> 00:17:58,578 After all that torture, 385 00:17:58,579 --> 00:18:00,998 he was still so calm. 386 00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:03,208 Any normal human being 387 00:18:03,209 --> 00:18:05,376 would've died. 388 00:18:05,418 --> 00:18:06,670 If you killed her, 389 00:18:06,671 --> 00:18:07,921 where is the body? 390 00:18:07,963 --> 00:18:09,277 He said, 391 00:18:09,278 --> 00:18:10,590 "I got rid of the body." 392 00:18:10,632 --> 00:18:12,363 There has to be some 393 00:18:12,364 --> 00:18:14,093 evidence of the murder. 394 00:18:14,135 --> 00:18:15,512 You have to 395 00:18:15,513 --> 00:18:16,888 provide the evidence. 396 00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:19,454 "Since you don't believe me, 397 00:18:19,455 --> 00:18:21,977 I threw her purse 398 00:18:22,019 --> 00:18:26,355 and clothes 399 00:18:26,397 --> 00:18:29,984 in the yard 400 00:18:29,985 --> 00:18:33,571 behind the house." 401 00:18:33,613 --> 00:18:35,865 We sent a team to the area. 402 00:18:35,907 --> 00:18:38,806 They retrieved the purse 403 00:18:38,807 --> 00:18:41,704 and other items. 404 00:18:43,414 --> 00:18:45,583 We called Nand Lal. 405 00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:48,461 Nand Lal verified 406 00:18:48,462 --> 00:18:51,297 that it was Payal's purse. 407 00:18:51,339 --> 00:18:54,176 We asked Koli 408 00:18:54,177 --> 00:18:57,012 why he had killed her. 409 00:18:57,053 --> 00:19:02,100 His response made us believe 410 00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:04,164 that something wasn't quite 411 00:19:04,165 --> 00:19:06,187 right with him. 412 00:19:06,229 --> 00:19:08,565 He said Payal 413 00:19:08,566 --> 00:19:10,901 was a call girl 414 00:19:12,777 --> 00:19:14,654 who often stayed with 415 00:19:14,655 --> 00:19:16,531 his master for the night. 416 00:19:16,573 --> 00:19:19,305 He wished he could 417 00:19:19,306 --> 00:19:22,037 have the same, because she was very pretty. 418 00:19:22,078 --> 00:19:23,705 "I called her. 419 00:19:23,746 --> 00:19:25,206 I asked her to come by 420 00:19:25,248 --> 00:19:27,448 and promised to introduce he to some new clients. 421 00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:31,150 "The clients 422 00:19:31,151 --> 00:19:33,798 will be here soon. 423 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,926 But in the meantime, 424 00:19:35,927 --> 00:19:38,011 let's have sex. 425 00:19:38,053 --> 00:19:40,805 I offered her 500 rupees." 426 00:19:40,847 --> 00:19:42,828 She said, "For that much, 427 00:19:42,829 --> 00:19:44,809 I won't even let my brother touch me." 428 00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:50,982 "While she was 429 00:19:50,983 --> 00:19:53,776 drinking the tea, 430 00:19:53,818 --> 00:19:56,258 I strangled her 431 00:19:56,259 --> 00:19:58,698 with her scarf. 432 00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:00,282 And then I tried. 433 00:20:00,324 --> 00:20:02,076 I tried having sex with her 434 00:20:02,077 --> 00:20:03,828 after she was dead." 435 00:20:06,998 --> 00:20:08,124 And then we thought 436 00:20:08,125 --> 00:20:09,250 if he treated 437 00:20:09,292 --> 00:20:10,606 a 22-year-old girl 438 00:20:10,607 --> 00:20:11,920 like this, 439 00:20:11,962 --> 00:20:15,007 then children 440 00:20:15,008 --> 00:20:18,051 would be easy targets with zero resistance. 441 00:20:18,093 --> 00:20:24,223 If he had this mentality, 442 00:20:24,265 --> 00:20:25,871 maybe he could 443 00:20:25,872 --> 00:20:27,476 do this to children. 444 00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:36,778 In the black hole, he was 445 00:20:36,779 --> 00:20:38,989 the only person who could do something like this. 446 00:20:39,030 --> 00:20:41,491 You won't believe 447 00:20:41,492 --> 00:20:43,952 what I'm about to tell you. 448 00:20:43,994 --> 00:20:45,703 - I'm getting chills right now. 449 00:20:45,745 --> 00:20:47,559 As soon as I showed him 450 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,373 the paper with the missing children's photos, 451 00:20:49,415 --> 00:20:51,584 you won't believe 452 00:20:51,585 --> 00:20:53,753 what he started saying. 453 00:20:53,795 --> 00:20:55,297 A girl was walking 454 00:20:55,298 --> 00:20:56,798 from Sector 30 to Nithari. 455 00:20:56,839 --> 00:20:57,966 Later on, looking 456 00:20:57,967 --> 00:20:59,092 at her photo, 457 00:20:59,134 --> 00:21:00,573 the police told me 458 00:21:00,574 --> 00:21:02,011 her name was Jhumpa. 459 00:21:02,053 --> 00:21:03,179 I called her in 460 00:21:03,180 --> 00:21:04,305 for some work. 461 00:21:04,347 --> 00:21:07,329 I told her that Madame 462 00:21:07,330 --> 00:21:10,311 was coming and would talk to her about the wages. 463 00:21:10,353 --> 00:21:12,647 As she looked away, 464 00:21:12,688 --> 00:21:14,148 I strangled her from behind 465 00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:15,608 with her own scarf. 466 00:21:15,650 --> 00:21:17,548 She became unconscious, 467 00:21:17,549 --> 00:21:19,445 and I tried having sex with her. 468 00:21:19,487 --> 00:21:21,906 When I couldn't 469 00:21:21,907 --> 00:21:24,325 have sex with her, 470 00:21:24,366 --> 00:21:27,120 I strangled and killed her. 471 00:21:27,162 --> 00:21:28,705 He said, 472 00:21:28,706 --> 00:21:30,265 "I don't know where I got this energy from. 473 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:32,667 I went crazy. 474 00:21:32,708 --> 00:21:34,502 I strangled and killed them. 475 00:21:36,213 --> 00:21:38,090 I tried to have sex 476 00:21:38,091 --> 00:21:39,966 with the bodies, but could not." 477 00:21:40,008 --> 00:21:41,843 Afterwards, 478 00:21:41,844 --> 00:21:43,678 I took her upstairs to the bathroom. 479 00:21:43,719 --> 00:21:45,701 I went down to the kitchen, 480 00:21:45,702 --> 00:21:47,682 took a knife and went back up. 481 00:21:47,724 --> 00:21:50,101 And I cut her up. 482 00:21:50,143 --> 00:21:51,207 I cut off 483 00:21:51,208 --> 00:21:52,270 a piece of her chest 484 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:54,313 and her shoulder and ate it. 485 00:21:56,024 --> 00:21:58,526 I cooked her in the kitchen. 486 00:21:58,568 --> 00:21:59,586 Cooked her in the kitchen? 487 00:21:59,610 --> 00:22:01,988 Yes. I do not remember 488 00:22:01,989 --> 00:22:04,365 how much I ate. 489 00:22:04,406 --> 00:22:06,367 - What about - the other children? 490 00:22:06,408 --> 00:22:07,451 I simply didn't have 491 00:22:07,452 --> 00:22:08,494 the courage to ask. 492 00:22:08,536 --> 00:22:09,788 Because he would have done 493 00:22:09,789 --> 00:22:11,039 the same thing to all of them. 494 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,312 The same story. 495 00:22:13,313 --> 00:22:15,543 I left the room. This was tragic. 496 00:22:15,584 --> 00:22:17,378 - The children who we thought were alive 497 00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:18,963 Were now all dead. 498 00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:21,445 This incident shook up 499 00:22:21,446 --> 00:22:22,717 my entire life. 500 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:25,220 I never thought I'd find 501 00:22:25,221 --> 00:22:27,680 so many dead children. 502 00:22:27,722 --> 00:22:31,309 He said, "I cut off 503 00:22:31,310 --> 00:22:34,896 their heads and put them in the backyard." 504 00:22:34,938 --> 00:22:37,232 I asked him where. 505 00:22:37,233 --> 00:22:39,525 He said, "The same area you found Payal's purse." 506 00:22:39,567 --> 00:22:41,903 There is only garbage there. 507 00:22:41,904 --> 00:22:44,239 He said, "It's underneath all the garbage. 508 00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:50,161 I wrapped the heads 509 00:22:50,162 --> 00:22:51,954 in plastic bags 510 00:22:51,996 --> 00:22:53,977 and threw garbage 511 00:22:53,978 --> 00:22:55,958 on top of them to hide the smell. 512 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,648 Yes, all the 513 00:22:57,649 --> 00:22:59,296 children's heads." 514 00:23:06,427 --> 00:23:08,784 After I asked Nand Lal 515 00:23:08,785 --> 00:23:11,141 to identify the purse, 516 00:23:11,182 --> 00:23:12,955 he went and told 517 00:23:12,956 --> 00:23:14,727 others about it. 518 00:23:14,769 --> 00:23:16,771 He told everyone 519 00:23:16,772 --> 00:23:18,773 that Koli confessed 520 00:23:18,814 --> 00:23:20,629 and we found Payal's stuff 521 00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:22,443 in the backyard. 522 00:23:22,484 --> 00:23:24,486 Everyone knew. 523 00:23:27,907 --> 00:23:29,304 All the families of the 524 00:23:29,305 --> 00:23:30,701 missing children started to gather. 525 00:23:30,743 --> 00:23:32,536 Lots of people. 526 00:23:39,668 --> 00:23:41,024 House D5 527 00:23:41,025 --> 00:23:42,380 was the crime scene. 528 00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:45,529 All the evidence 529 00:23:45,530 --> 00:23:48,636 was inside the house, 530 00:23:48,677 --> 00:23:50,575 in the backyard, 531 00:23:50,576 --> 00:23:52,473 or in the drain. 532 00:23:52,515 --> 00:23:54,163 So, we immediately 533 00:23:54,164 --> 00:23:55,810 sealed the area. 534 00:23:55,851 --> 00:23:57,144 He's a servant 535 00:23:57,145 --> 00:23:58,437 for a business man. 536 00:23:58,479 --> 00:24:01,983 He confessed. 537 00:24:01,984 --> 00:24:05,486 They are questioning him and searching for evidence. 538 00:24:05,527 --> 00:24:07,426 Sir, how many bodies 539 00:24:07,427 --> 00:24:09,324 have been recovered so far? What's the plan? 540 00:24:09,365 --> 00:24:12,014 So far, he's confessed 541 00:24:12,015 --> 00:24:14,662 to five to six children's bodies. 542 00:24:14,703 --> 00:24:16,747 We are looking for them. 543 00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:18,312 We're not sure of the 544 00:24:18,313 --> 00:24:19,834 exact number. The search is still on. 545 00:24:19,875 --> 00:24:21,710 We'll keep updating you. 546 00:24:21,752 --> 00:24:24,839 Noida is India's media hub. 547 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,007 The headquarters of 548 00:24:26,008 --> 00:24:27,151 all the TV channels are there. 549 00:24:27,175 --> 00:24:28,760 Even a small incident 550 00:24:28,761 --> 00:24:30,345 receives a lot of publicity. 551 00:24:30,386 --> 00:24:32,222 And this was a big incident. 552 00:24:32,263 --> 00:24:35,641 KILLER OF INNOCENTS 553 00:24:37,226 --> 00:24:39,374 Can a human stoop 554 00:24:39,375 --> 00:24:41,522 to such depths of animalism 555 00:24:41,563 --> 00:24:43,128 just for a few pennies, 556 00:24:43,129 --> 00:24:44,692 or to satisfy his lust? 557 00:24:44,734 --> 00:24:46,570 These are not the actions 558 00:24:46,571 --> 00:24:48,405 of a civilized person. 559 00:24:48,446 --> 00:24:50,657 Koli and Pandher's perverse 560 00:24:50,658 --> 00:24:52,867 actions have proven that 561 00:24:52,908 --> 00:24:54,556 the animal inside us 562 00:24:54,557 --> 00:24:56,204 still lives. 563 00:24:56,245 --> 00:24:58,894 Who doesn't even 564 00:24:58,895 --> 00:25:01,542 think once before killing innocent children? 565 00:25:01,583 --> 00:25:03,336 By profession, 566 00:25:03,337 --> 00:25:05,088 Koli was a caretaker. 567 00:25:05,129 --> 00:25:07,232 - But he turned out to be a murderer of the innocent. 568 00:25:07,256 --> 00:25:09,488 The police claim that 569 00:25:09,489 --> 00:25:11,719 he has confessed to killing five children, 570 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:12,824 which includes 571 00:25:12,825 --> 00:25:13,888 boys and girls. 572 00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:17,079 Koli has also confessed 573 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,228 that after killing them, he indulged in necrophilia. 574 00:25:20,270 --> 00:25:22,314 Satish, aka Koli, 575 00:25:22,315 --> 00:25:24,357 is a native of Almora in Uttaranchal. 576 00:25:24,399 --> 00:25:25,734 For the last five 577 00:25:25,735 --> 00:25:27,068 to six years, 578 00:25:27,109 --> 00:25:28,840 he was the caretaker 579 00:25:28,841 --> 00:25:30,571 of D5 house in Noida. 580 00:25:30,613 --> 00:25:32,511 This house belongs to 581 00:25:32,512 --> 00:25:34,409 a businessman named Pandher. 582 00:25:34,451 --> 00:25:36,369 It is difficult to 583 00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:38,287 exclude Pandher's involvement in these crimes, 584 00:25:38,329 --> 00:25:39,580 so obviously the police 585 00:25:39,581 --> 00:25:40,831 have also arrested him. 586 00:26:17,952 --> 00:26:20,246 I was a new journalist. 587 00:26:20,288 --> 00:26:23,020 Everyone was thinking, 588 00:26:23,021 --> 00:26:25,751 "How could someone do something like this?" 589 00:26:25,793 --> 00:26:28,963 Cannibalism, necrophilia... 590 00:26:29,005 --> 00:26:31,841 We had never heard 591 00:26:31,842 --> 00:26:34,677 of these things in India. 592 00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:45,563 Any country's media 593 00:26:45,564 --> 00:26:48,816 could sensationalize a case like this. 594 00:26:48,858 --> 00:26:51,590 First of all, so many kids. 595 00:26:51,591 --> 00:26:54,322 Then, all the details of the killings. 596 00:26:54,364 --> 00:26:56,031 Police involvement. 597 00:26:56,073 --> 00:26:57,617 Every day, 598 00:26:57,618 --> 00:26:59,160 something new was revealed. 599 00:26:59,202 --> 00:27:00,787 There were many things 600 00:27:00,788 --> 00:27:02,371 to investigate in this case. 601 00:27:07,335 --> 00:27:08,837 You can call this 602 00:27:08,838 --> 00:27:10,338 sensationalizing, 603 00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:12,152 or that people 604 00:27:12,153 --> 00:27:13,924 were demanding to know more and more. 605 00:27:13,966 --> 00:27:15,405 Every channel was saying, 606 00:27:15,406 --> 00:27:16,844 "We have something new for you." 607 00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:18,971 But then what happened? 608 00:27:19,013 --> 00:27:21,682 Even the cops were worried. 609 00:27:21,724 --> 00:27:23,539 They never thought 610 00:27:23,540 --> 00:27:25,353 this crime would be this huge. 611 00:27:25,395 --> 00:27:27,209 -Maybe one or two girls, 612 00:27:27,210 --> 00:27:29,023 or just Payal. 613 00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:31,087 They never thought 614 00:27:31,088 --> 00:27:33,110 there would be so many. 615 00:27:33,152 --> 00:27:34,695 - They were pretty scared, too, 616 00:27:34,736 --> 00:27:36,134 As the entire press corps 617 00:27:36,135 --> 00:27:37,532 was over there, 618 00:27:37,573 --> 00:27:40,326 and if the cops messed up, 619 00:27:40,327 --> 00:27:43,078 it would be noticed. 620 00:27:46,499 --> 00:27:48,522 In the minds of the 621 00:27:48,523 --> 00:27:50,545 victims' families who had lost their children, 622 00:27:50,587 --> 00:27:52,401 they lost their 623 00:27:52,402 --> 00:27:54,215 four-year-old, and how? 624 00:27:54,256 --> 00:27:57,364 This wasn't just a normal 625 00:27:57,365 --> 00:28:00,471 kidnapping or murder. 626 00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:02,369 When someone learns 627 00:28:02,370 --> 00:28:04,225 their child was raped and had limbs severed, 628 00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:08,354 anger is a natural reaction. 629 00:28:08,396 --> 00:28:10,920 And they believed this 630 00:28:10,921 --> 00:28:13,443 went on because of Pandher. 631 00:29:03,326 --> 00:29:05,912 My kid has died! 632 00:29:05,913 --> 00:29:08,498 I want revenge! 633 00:29:08,539 --> 00:29:12,209 Burn the house down! 634 00:29:12,251 --> 00:29:13,774 I want revenge! 635 00:29:13,775 --> 00:29:15,296 He ate up my kid! 636 00:29:15,338 --> 00:29:17,528 I want to beat him, 637 00:29:17,529 --> 00:29:19,717 I want revenge! 638 00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:23,346 We have more information. 639 00:29:23,347 --> 00:29:25,181 The criminals are in jail. 640 00:29:25,222 --> 00:29:26,286 They will be 641 00:29:26,287 --> 00:29:27,349 brought to justice. 642 00:29:27,391 --> 00:29:29,143 Whatever important 643 00:29:29,144 --> 00:29:30,912 information we need, we will gather from them. 644 00:29:30,936 --> 00:29:32,896 We don't want anything 645 00:29:32,897 --> 00:29:34,856 to go amiss in this important investigation. 646 00:29:34,898 --> 00:29:36,504 It will be done 647 00:29:36,505 --> 00:29:38,110 with 100% perfection. 648 00:29:38,152 --> 00:29:39,404 Sir, how many 649 00:29:39,405 --> 00:29:40,655 murders has he confessed to? 650 00:29:40,697 --> 00:29:42,115 How many bodies 651 00:29:42,116 --> 00:29:43,532 have been found? 652 00:29:43,574 --> 00:29:45,535 Out of the 17 skulls 653 00:29:45,536 --> 00:29:47,495 that were found, 654 00:29:47,536 --> 00:29:52,041 ten have been identified. 655 00:29:52,082 --> 00:29:53,542 We have more news 656 00:29:53,543 --> 00:29:55,002 coming in, 657 00:29:55,043 --> 00:29:56,107 therefore identification 658 00:29:56,108 --> 00:29:57,171 is increasing. 659 00:30:32,707 --> 00:30:34,393 - [Karan Singh - speaking English] - When the media 660 00:30:34,417 --> 00:30:36,126 - Went ballistic - over everything, 661 00:30:36,168 --> 00:30:37,774 That day we knew things 662 00:30:37,775 --> 00:30:39,380 are not going to be the same. 663 00:30:39,422 --> 00:30:41,361 That is the way the media 664 00:30:41,362 --> 00:30:43,300 would like to manipulate things, you know. 665 00:30:43,342 --> 00:30:44,968 They want to create story. 666 00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:46,262 And that is, I think, 667 00:30:46,263 --> 00:30:47,531 the best way for them to create story. 668 00:30:47,555 --> 00:30:49,411 Otherwise, without 669 00:30:49,412 --> 00:30:51,266 Moninder Singh Pandher, is there a story? 670 00:30:51,308 --> 00:30:52,518 It's just 671 00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:53,728 another crime then. 672 00:30:53,770 --> 00:30:55,271 When you have a rich man 673 00:30:55,272 --> 00:30:56,772 stuck in something, then it's a story. 674 00:31:15,291 --> 00:31:16,810 There was a crowd outside our house. 675 00:31:16,834 --> 00:31:18,520 You should have seen the rage in their eyes. 676 00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:20,003 You should have seen the rage, 677 00:31:20,045 --> 00:31:21,318 What a common man 678 00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:22,590 held for us. 679 00:31:22,631 --> 00:31:24,613 The very next day, I think, 680 00:31:24,614 --> 00:31:26,594 I was told by my uncle 681 00:31:26,635 --> 00:31:28,116 to, you know, 682 00:31:28,117 --> 00:31:29,597 get ready to get yourself 683 00:31:29,639 --> 00:31:31,036 a general 684 00:31:31,037 --> 00:31:32,433 power of attorney ready. 685 00:31:32,474 --> 00:31:34,226 Because as he is behind bars, 686 00:31:34,268 --> 00:31:35,770 You will need to enact on things. 687 00:31:35,812 --> 00:31:37,105 You will need to make 688 00:31:37,106 --> 00:31:38,397 decisions on his behalf. 689 00:31:38,439 --> 00:31:40,650 I cannot plan things ahead. 690 00:31:40,691 --> 00:31:42,964 I cannot give 691 00:31:42,965 --> 00:31:45,237 any commitments to people around time. 692 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,428 I have to manipulate 693 00:31:48,429 --> 00:31:51,577 everything around my father's cases. 694 00:31:51,619 --> 00:31:53,621 Because my priority 695 00:31:53,622 --> 00:31:55,623 is my father's cases, now. 696 00:31:55,665 --> 00:31:56,729 "Karan, 697 00:31:56,730 --> 00:31:57,792 Dad has been arrested. 698 00:31:57,833 --> 00:31:59,105 What happened? 699 00:31:59,106 --> 00:32:00,377 Just find out. 700 00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:01,629 Mom, I am going to Delhi." 701 00:32:01,671 --> 00:32:03,148 I said, "You're not going to Delhi. 702 00:32:03,172 --> 00:32:04,424 You just wait there, 703 00:32:04,425 --> 00:32:05,675 I am coming right now." 704 00:32:07,468 --> 00:32:08,782 When I came inside, 705 00:32:08,783 --> 00:32:10,095 he was literally crying. 706 00:32:10,137 --> 00:32:12,056 Saying, "Mama, I don't 707 00:32:12,057 --> 00:32:13,974 understand what is this." 708 00:32:15,434 --> 00:32:16,498 Through the news only 709 00:32:16,499 --> 00:32:17,561 we came to know, 710 00:32:19,772 --> 00:32:21,065 these killings 711 00:32:21,066 --> 00:32:22,358 were happening in the house. 712 00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:23,901 And we weren't aware of it. 713 00:32:24,985 --> 00:32:26,153 We were really shocked. 714 00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:35,642 - For five minutes 715 00:32:35,643 --> 00:32:37,832 they made us meet my father. 716 00:32:37,874 --> 00:32:38,958 But they said 717 00:32:38,959 --> 00:32:40,042 not more than that. 718 00:32:41,209 --> 00:32:42,837 Just to show you he is all right. 719 00:32:42,879 --> 00:32:44,189 There is nothing wrong with him. 720 00:32:44,213 --> 00:32:45,315 He is being well taken care of. 721 00:32:45,339 --> 00:32:46,403 -That time I met him 722 00:32:46,404 --> 00:32:47,466 for the first time. 723 00:32:47,508 --> 00:32:49,260 - And i think we started crying 724 00:32:49,261 --> 00:32:51,011 when we met him. 725 00:32:51,052 --> 00:32:53,055 He just couldn't believe 726 00:32:53,056 --> 00:32:55,057 what blunder had happened. 727 00:32:55,098 --> 00:32:57,288 Even he did not expect 728 00:32:57,289 --> 00:32:59,478 the thing to go so much out of hand. 729 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,251 And he just kept on saying 730 00:33:01,252 --> 00:33:02,981 "I have not done it. 731 00:33:03,023 --> 00:33:04,525 I don't know what's happened. 732 00:33:04,567 --> 00:33:05,797 Please forgive me. 733 00:33:05,798 --> 00:33:07,027 Please forgive me. 734 00:33:07,068 --> 00:33:09,154 I didn't want to put you guys through this." 735 00:33:09,196 --> 00:33:10,989 -That is all he kept saying. 736 00:33:11,031 --> 00:33:12,095 He just couldn't believe 737 00:33:12,096 --> 00:33:13,158 what had happened. 738 00:33:14,744 --> 00:33:16,475 He may be in jail, 739 00:33:16,476 --> 00:33:18,205 but we are equally in jail also. 740 00:33:18,246 --> 00:33:19,769 We are also confined 741 00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:21,291 by everything. 742 00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:23,126 We cannot expand our work. 743 00:33:23,168 --> 00:33:25,754 We cannot progress in life 744 00:33:25,755 --> 00:33:28,340 unless this gets over. 745 00:33:28,382 --> 00:33:31,197 Because this is something 746 00:33:31,198 --> 00:33:34,012 that will take, consume our entire time. 747 00:33:36,849 --> 00:33:38,099 This is the road going... 748 00:33:38,141 --> 00:33:39,267 This is the road. 749 00:33:40,018 --> 00:33:41,019 This goes... 750 00:33:41,771 --> 00:33:43,480 And this is our house. 751 00:33:45,775 --> 00:33:47,150 There is the water tower. 752 00:33:47,192 --> 00:33:48,527 Yeah, water tank. 753 00:34:41,497 --> 00:34:44,250 The CBI 754 00:34:44,251 --> 00:34:47,002 got involved in the case 15 days after it was opened. 755 00:34:51,757 --> 00:34:52,758 By the time 756 00:34:52,759 --> 00:34:53,759 we reached the house, 757 00:34:53,801 --> 00:34:54,802 the crime scene 758 00:34:54,803 --> 00:34:55,803 was quite disturbed. 759 00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:02,810 The exterior 760 00:35:02,811 --> 00:35:04,520 had been ransacked. 761 00:35:04,561 --> 00:35:06,668 But the interior, 762 00:35:06,669 --> 00:35:08,774 the main scene of the crime, was fine. 763 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,549 After talking to them, 764 00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:13,737 it was clear 765 00:35:13,779 --> 00:35:15,385 that the incidents 766 00:35:15,386 --> 00:35:16,991 had to do only with these two guys. 767 00:35:17,032 --> 00:35:19,493 There was no gang 768 00:35:19,534 --> 00:35:22,579 or third party involved. 769 00:35:22,621 --> 00:35:24,144 Therefore, the plan of 770 00:35:24,145 --> 00:35:25,666 action was confined 771 00:35:25,708 --> 00:35:27,272 to these two 772 00:35:27,273 --> 00:35:28,836 and the crime scene. 773 00:35:28,877 --> 00:35:31,171 There was no need 774 00:35:31,172 --> 00:35:33,465 to collect any evidence from anywhere else. 775 00:35:48,897 --> 00:35:50,920 "To my dear 776 00:35:50,921 --> 00:35:52,943 respected father, 777 00:35:52,985 --> 00:35:57,280 from your daughter, Simran." 778 00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:10,064 Make him 779 00:36:10,065 --> 00:36:11,628 uncover his face. 780 00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:15,049 "We have no tears. 781 00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:18,427 We are helpless. 782 00:36:18,468 --> 00:36:22,890 Drops of blood fall. 783 00:36:22,931 --> 00:36:27,436 Have you thought about us?" 784 00:36:27,477 --> 00:36:29,875 Make him 785 00:36:29,876 --> 00:36:32,273 turn this way, that way. 786 00:36:34,359 --> 00:36:35,360 That way. 787 00:36:40,615 --> 00:36:42,534 - For me as a behavioral scientist, 788 00:36:42,576 --> 00:36:44,095 - It was more to understand the psychopathology, 789 00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:45,412 The psychodynamics 790 00:36:45,413 --> 00:36:46,705 of the mind. 791 00:36:46,747 --> 00:36:49,166 Why does a mind thinks 792 00:36:49,167 --> 00:36:51,585 and decides to do what it has done? 793 00:36:51,626 --> 00:36:52,711 He was definitely 794 00:36:52,712 --> 00:36:53,795 not psychotic. 795 00:36:53,837 --> 00:36:55,798 For that we did a whole lot 796 00:36:55,799 --> 00:36:57,758 of psychological assessment. 797 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,240 He had either a problem 798 00:37:00,241 --> 00:37:02,679 of erection or either a problem of ejaculation. 799 00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:05,745 So that made him 800 00:37:05,746 --> 00:37:08,769 go more and more, choose to fantasy life. 801 00:37:08,811 --> 00:37:10,312 Even before he came 802 00:37:10,313 --> 00:37:11,813 to Pandher's house, 803 00:37:11,855 --> 00:37:13,336 he was working 804 00:37:13,337 --> 00:37:14,816 with another person, 805 00:37:14,858 --> 00:37:16,819 for almost a year and half. 806 00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:18,904 - He said when he was living in their houses, 807 00:37:18,946 --> 00:37:20,406 There also 808 00:37:20,407 --> 00:37:21,865 he had all those fantasies. 809 00:37:21,907 --> 00:37:23,366 - But there - the home atmosphere 810 00:37:23,408 --> 00:37:25,786 Did not give him 811 00:37:25,827 --> 00:37:27,537 those kind of opportunities, 812 00:37:27,579 --> 00:37:29,602 wherein he could give way 813 00:37:29,603 --> 00:37:31,625 to his fantasies. 814 00:37:31,667 --> 00:37:33,627 - But when he came to Pandher's house, 815 00:37:33,668 --> 00:37:36,046 He says he used to 816 00:37:36,047 --> 00:37:38,423 tell Pandher very frequently 817 00:37:38,465 --> 00:37:39,487 he never liked 818 00:37:39,488 --> 00:37:40,509 call girls coming home. 819 00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:42,469 - He used to tell him to not get them home. 820 00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:44,242 He is not comfortable 821 00:37:44,243 --> 00:37:45,973 with them. 822 00:37:46,014 --> 00:37:47,600 But very soon he realized 823 00:37:47,601 --> 00:37:49,185 that he would ignore that, 824 00:37:49,226 --> 00:37:51,187 take it lightly, or say you don't worry. 825 00:37:51,228 --> 00:37:53,108 You don't interact with them, kind of thing. 826 00:37:54,022 --> 00:37:55,690 It started getting 827 00:37:55,691 --> 00:37:57,358 precipitated by the dream. 828 00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:00,779 He says he used to dream 829 00:38:00,821 --> 00:38:02,323 when probably a lady 830 00:38:02,324 --> 00:38:03,824 in a white sari would come, 831 00:38:03,865 --> 00:38:05,200 and he says it would be 832 00:38:05,201 --> 00:38:06,534 in one place only. 833 00:38:06,576 --> 00:38:08,829 Come and stand 834 00:38:08,830 --> 00:38:11,081 near the fridge and just laugh at him. 835 00:38:11,123 --> 00:38:13,250 When those fantasies 836 00:38:13,251 --> 00:38:15,376 became haunting, 837 00:38:15,418 --> 00:38:17,671 with the visual imageries, 838 00:38:17,712 --> 00:38:19,131 that is where it became 839 00:38:19,173 --> 00:38:20,632 so very pathological for him. 840 00:38:21,383 --> 00:38:23,260 And so very lonely. 841 00:38:24,469 --> 00:38:29,099 He was very good with me. 842 00:38:33,937 --> 00:38:35,751 I don't feel 843 00:38:35,752 --> 00:38:37,565 my husband was like that, 844 00:38:37,607 --> 00:38:39,172 because he never 845 00:38:39,173 --> 00:38:40,736 behaved that way with me. 846 00:38:40,777 --> 00:38:44,573 He was very good with me. 847 00:38:44,614 --> 00:38:46,158 He treated me very well. 848 00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:47,701 He took care of me 849 00:38:47,742 --> 00:38:48,890 like you care 850 00:38:48,891 --> 00:38:50,037 for a child, that's a fact. 851 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:53,498 I swear on my own child. 852 00:38:53,540 --> 00:38:56,001 As long as he was with me, 853 00:38:56,002 --> 00:38:58,461 he took very good care of me. 854 00:39:09,597 --> 00:39:11,600 Then he returned 855 00:39:11,601 --> 00:39:13,602 after six months. 856 00:39:13,643 --> 00:39:16,584 He stayed for a few days, 857 00:39:16,585 --> 00:39:19,524 and then went back. 858 00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:27,115 We would go together 859 00:39:27,116 --> 00:39:29,367 to pick grass or gather wood. 860 00:39:29,409 --> 00:39:31,766 Wherever we went, 861 00:39:31,767 --> 00:39:34,123 we went together. He never left me alone. 862 00:39:39,794 --> 00:39:44,591 When we were together, there was love and affection between us. 863 00:39:47,928 --> 00:39:49,930 There was only one phone 864 00:39:49,931 --> 00:39:51,932 in our village at that time. 865 00:39:51,973 --> 00:39:53,538 Every morning, he used to 866 00:39:53,539 --> 00:39:55,102 call me on that phone. 867 00:39:55,144 --> 00:39:58,460 We would talk, 868 00:39:58,461 --> 00:40:01,775 and he would say, "I am missing home. 869 00:40:01,816 --> 00:40:03,986 I miss you." 870 00:40:05,321 --> 00:40:06,781 He said there were 871 00:40:06,782 --> 00:40:08,240 some problems then. 872 00:40:08,282 --> 00:40:10,826 "I can't come home 873 00:40:10,827 --> 00:40:13,370 because there are some problems here, 874 00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:14,997 but I will come soon." 875 00:40:28,177 --> 00:40:30,242 From the time the visual 876 00:40:30,243 --> 00:40:32,306 imagery would appear, 877 00:40:32,347 --> 00:40:33,494 till the time he would 878 00:40:33,495 --> 00:40:34,641 dispose the body 879 00:40:34,683 --> 00:40:36,080 and what I call 880 00:40:36,081 --> 00:40:37,477 a totally calm period, 881 00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:38,666 which would come 882 00:40:38,667 --> 00:40:39,813 the subsequent day. 883 00:40:39,854 --> 00:40:42,482 In that kind of 48 hours, 884 00:40:42,523 --> 00:40:45,318 I can say almost he lived 885 00:40:45,319 --> 00:40:48,113 in a different state of consciousness. 886 00:40:51,074 --> 00:40:52,951 If you see the whole list 887 00:40:52,952 --> 00:40:54,828 of people he has picked up, 888 00:40:54,869 --> 00:40:56,851 he starts with children 889 00:40:56,852 --> 00:40:58,832 from the age range of 890 00:40:58,874 --> 00:41:00,292 five to seven 891 00:41:00,293 --> 00:41:01,709 and then gradually it increases. 892 00:41:01,751 --> 00:41:03,128 Then it goes to adolescents, 893 00:41:03,129 --> 00:41:04,504 and then it comes to adults, 894 00:41:04,545 --> 00:41:06,382 - and then it goes to married women also. 895 00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:09,551 In all of these places, 896 00:41:09,592 --> 00:41:11,261 he was trying to experiment 897 00:41:11,262 --> 00:41:12,929 his own competence. 898 00:41:14,055 --> 00:41:16,850 To get his urge satisfied. 899 00:41:16,892 --> 00:41:18,540 Now, after that will come to 900 00:41:18,541 --> 00:41:20,187 the relevant question. 901 00:41:20,229 --> 00:41:22,689 At Pandher's request, 902 00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:24,900 did you feed him 903 00:41:24,901 --> 00:41:27,069 human flesh? 904 00:41:27,110 --> 00:41:28,320 That is 905 00:41:28,321 --> 00:41:29,529 the relevant question. 906 00:41:29,571 --> 00:41:31,469 The police thought Koli, 907 00:41:31,470 --> 00:41:33,367 upon Pandher's request, 908 00:41:33,408 --> 00:41:34,743 cooked and fed him 909 00:41:34,744 --> 00:41:36,077 human flesh. 910 00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:37,746 But it is not like that. 911 00:41:37,787 --> 00:41:39,331 He has said, 912 00:41:39,332 --> 00:41:40,874 "No." It's negative. 913 00:41:40,916 --> 00:41:45,879 There is a little variation, 914 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,361 but not enough 915 00:41:49,362 --> 00:41:52,802 to consider it a lie. 916 00:41:52,844 --> 00:41:55,347 Two opposite natures. 917 00:41:55,389 --> 00:41:57,557 One was a totally extrovert, 918 00:41:57,598 --> 00:41:59,393 who was fond of... 919 00:41:59,435 --> 00:42:00,728 Who belonged 920 00:42:00,729 --> 00:42:02,020 to an elite society. 921 00:42:02,062 --> 00:42:03,313 Well educated, 922 00:42:03,314 --> 00:42:04,564 fond of getting girls. 923 00:42:04,605 --> 00:42:07,525 Having fun, enjoying life. 924 00:42:07,567 --> 00:42:09,131 The other one 925 00:42:09,132 --> 00:42:10,695 is a totally introvert. 926 00:42:10,737 --> 00:42:11,738 And that is where 927 00:42:11,739 --> 00:42:12,757 he clarified in the end, okay? 928 00:42:12,781 --> 00:42:15,513 But it was the extreme anger 929 00:42:15,514 --> 00:42:18,245 towards the owner, 930 00:42:18,287 --> 00:42:19,517 which made him feel 931 00:42:19,518 --> 00:42:20,747 that he... 932 00:42:20,789 --> 00:42:22,145 See, he couldn't have 933 00:42:22,146 --> 00:42:23,500 inner control. 934 00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:25,502 Then the external environment 935 00:42:25,543 --> 00:42:27,337 Became so very congenial. 936 00:42:27,379 --> 00:42:28,629 It did not help him 937 00:42:28,671 --> 00:42:29,839 in regaining his control. 938 00:42:29,881 --> 00:42:30,924 On the contrary, 939 00:42:30,966 --> 00:42:32,259 it helped him in giving vent 940 00:42:32,301 --> 00:42:33,427 to his inner urge. 941 00:42:34,594 --> 00:42:36,096 - I cry so much, 942 00:42:36,137 --> 00:42:38,306 that I pray to God 943 00:42:38,348 --> 00:42:40,225 that all these tears 944 00:42:40,267 --> 00:42:42,685 should go to his children. 945 00:42:42,727 --> 00:42:44,313 To his grandchildren. 946 00:42:44,354 --> 00:42:47,232 To the person 947 00:42:47,233 --> 00:42:50,110 who has done all this. 948 00:42:50,152 --> 00:42:51,633 If it has to be my husband, 949 00:42:51,634 --> 00:42:53,113 then let it be so. 950 00:42:53,155 --> 00:42:55,053 If Pandher did it, 951 00:42:55,054 --> 00:42:56,950 or got it done, then let that be so. 952 00:42:56,991 --> 00:42:59,327 But whoever is responsible, 953 00:42:59,369 --> 00:43:01,413 may that person 954 00:43:01,414 --> 00:43:03,457 be destroyed. That's it. 955 00:43:03,499 --> 00:43:05,000 After the case was opened, 956 00:43:05,001 --> 00:43:06,501 I didn't eat for a month. 957 00:43:06,543 --> 00:43:08,295 Then I had my son. 958 00:43:08,336 --> 00:43:09,358 I had my son. 959 00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:10,380 I felt hopeful, 960 00:43:10,422 --> 00:43:13,091 as I raised him. Maybe then? 961 00:43:16,803 --> 00:43:17,908 My own milk 962 00:43:17,909 --> 00:43:19,013 wasn't there for him. 963 00:43:19,055 --> 00:43:20,140 He couldn't get 964 00:43:20,141 --> 00:43:21,224 his own mother's milk. 965 00:43:21,266 --> 00:43:23,059 I felt very sad. 966 00:43:23,101 --> 00:43:24,832 Because I was not eating, 967 00:43:24,833 --> 00:43:26,563 my son couldn't get any milk. 968 00:43:26,604 --> 00:43:28,794 Because he wasn't getting 969 00:43:28,795 --> 00:43:30,984 any milk, I started eating to give him my milk. 970 00:43:31,025 --> 00:43:32,986 - Slowly, he started getting my milk. 971 00:43:33,028 --> 00:43:35,113 When he got my milk, 972 00:43:35,114 --> 00:43:37,198 I felt happy 973 00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:39,075 - that he is getting some nutrients. 974 00:43:39,117 --> 00:43:42,120 Then, I breast-fed him 975 00:43:42,121 --> 00:43:45,123 for five years. 976 00:43:45,165 --> 00:43:47,959 I've found happiness in him, 977 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,753 since he was born. 978 00:43:55,633 --> 00:43:56,843 She said, "I do not want 979 00:43:56,844 --> 00:43:58,052 to write this letter." 980 00:43:58,094 --> 00:44:00,805 I told her, "You have to." 981 00:44:00,847 --> 00:44:06,644 Because you are his blood. 982 00:44:06,686 --> 00:44:08,522 You have to write 983 00:44:08,523 --> 00:44:10,363 to your father in your own hand at least once." 984 00:44:10,398 --> 00:44:12,609 "What were you thinking? 985 00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:16,821 You destroyed our lives. 986 00:44:16,863 --> 00:44:18,385 And what did you get 987 00:44:18,386 --> 00:44:19,907 from that? 988 00:44:19,949 --> 00:44:21,368 Please tell us. 989 00:44:21,409 --> 00:44:27,249 What went through your head? 990 00:44:27,874 --> 00:44:33,588 Thank you, Dad. 991 00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:36,049 Your daughter, Simran." 992 00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:44,745 This Pandher, 993 00:44:44,746 --> 00:44:46,560 who was constantly being shown on TV, 994 00:44:46,602 --> 00:44:48,228 we used to think 995 00:44:48,229 --> 00:44:49,854 he was a monster, not a human being. 996 00:44:56,945 --> 00:45:00,094 When I saw them 997 00:45:00,095 --> 00:45:03,243 for the first time, 998 00:45:03,284 --> 00:45:06,955 I felt no pity for them. 999 00:45:06,996 --> 00:45:10,417 Their faces told me 1000 00:45:10,458 --> 00:45:12,857 that they had no regrets 1001 00:45:12,858 --> 00:45:15,255 for their crimes. 1002 00:45:15,296 --> 00:45:18,758 I would think about 1003 00:45:18,759 --> 00:45:22,220 the parents and put myself in their shoes. 1004 00:45:22,262 --> 00:45:24,723 Then I realized 1005 00:45:24,724 --> 00:45:27,183 how deep I needed to go 1006 00:45:27,225 --> 00:45:29,290 and how much justice 1007 00:45:29,291 --> 00:45:31,354 these parents deserved. 1008 00:45:34,482 --> 00:45:36,047 There was so much 1009 00:45:36,048 --> 00:45:37,611 sensation around this case. 1010 00:45:37,653 --> 00:45:38,904 You would have gotten 1011 00:45:38,905 --> 00:45:40,155 convicted. 1012 00:45:40,196 --> 00:45:43,074 Whether you are innocent, 1013 00:45:43,075 --> 00:45:45,952 whether you did it or not, you will be sentenced. 1014 00:45:47,412 --> 00:45:50,895 As a criminal lawyer, I felt 1015 00:45:50,896 --> 00:45:54,377 how awful the crime was. 1016 00:45:54,419 --> 00:45:56,004 No lawyer in Ghaziabad 1017 00:45:56,005 --> 00:45:57,589 wanted to take up our case. 1018 00:45:57,631 --> 00:45:59,233 - They just didn't want to take up our case. 1019 00:45:59,257 --> 00:46:01,489 They had branded my father 1020 00:46:01,490 --> 00:46:03,720 as a murderer and as a molester. 1021 00:46:03,761 --> 00:46:04,971 Pandher's son 1022 00:46:04,972 --> 00:46:06,180 came to us. 1023 00:46:06,222 --> 00:46:08,162 He said, 1024 00:46:08,163 --> 00:46:10,101 "My father is innocent. 1025 00:46:10,143 --> 00:46:13,584 And I need your help." 1026 00:46:13,585 --> 00:46:17,024 I told him, "Going by what I have read and seen, 1027 00:46:17,066 --> 00:46:18,610 I don't think 1028 00:46:18,611 --> 00:46:20,153 your father is innocent." 1029 00:46:20,195 --> 00:46:22,677 Then I looked at all 1030 00:46:22,678 --> 00:46:25,158 the evidence and realized, 1031 00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:27,514 "Wow, this man is 1032 00:46:27,515 --> 00:46:29,829 actually innocent." 1033 00:46:29,871 --> 00:46:31,498 The truth seemed so far 1034 00:46:31,499 --> 00:46:33,124 from what was reported. 1035 00:46:33,166 --> 00:46:34,397 If I can't help 1036 00:46:34,398 --> 00:46:35,627 an innocent man, 1037 00:46:35,669 --> 00:46:37,108 then why am I 1038 00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:38,546 practicing law? 1039 00:46:38,588 --> 00:46:39,673 - Rimpa Haldar case 1040 00:46:39,674 --> 00:46:40,757 was one of those cases 1041 00:46:40,798 --> 00:46:42,384 where we were summoned by the court. 1042 00:46:42,425 --> 00:46:44,385 We were not charge sheeted by the CBI. 1043 00:46:48,222 --> 00:46:49,766 - Previously, 1044 00:46:49,767 --> 00:46:51,309 our family was fine. 1045 00:46:51,351 --> 00:46:52,790 Even if we were poor, 1046 00:46:52,791 --> 00:46:54,229 we were at peace. 1047 00:46:54,270 --> 00:46:56,064 After my girl vanished, 1048 00:46:56,065 --> 00:46:57,857 our peace disappeared. 1049 00:46:57,898 --> 00:47:00,464 As long as we live, 1050 00:47:00,465 --> 00:47:03,029 we'll be tense. 1051 00:47:03,071 --> 00:47:05,073 This is not good. 1052 00:47:05,074 --> 00:47:07,074 The world is a very bad place. 1053 00:47:09,703 --> 00:47:11,830 The cops said she could 1054 00:47:11,831 --> 00:47:13,956 be anywhere. 1055 00:47:13,998 --> 00:47:16,939 Who cares? 1056 00:47:16,940 --> 00:47:19,879 No one helps the poor. 1057 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,819 That's the fact. 1058 00:47:21,820 --> 00:47:23,717 We went crazy looking for her. 1059 00:47:26,427 --> 00:47:28,346 Whenever I go out, 1060 00:47:28,347 --> 00:47:30,264 I think of her. 1061 00:47:30,306 --> 00:47:31,474 When I go to a wedding, 1062 00:47:31,475 --> 00:47:32,642 I remember her. 1063 00:47:32,684 --> 00:47:34,561 If our daughter was alive, 1064 00:47:34,562 --> 00:47:36,438 she'd be married by now. 1065 00:47:36,479 --> 00:47:40,233 She is always on my mind. 1066 00:47:40,274 --> 00:47:42,256 His charges 1067 00:47:42,257 --> 00:47:44,237 as per the CBI charge sheet were 1068 00:47:45,405 --> 00:47:46,573 minute charges. 1069 00:47:46,615 --> 00:47:48,137 Immoral Traffic Act. 1070 00:47:48,138 --> 00:47:49,659 Corruption Act. 1071 00:47:49,701 --> 00:47:51,849 Uh, harboring. 1072 00:47:51,850 --> 00:47:53,996 That's about it. 1073 00:47:54,038 --> 00:47:55,602 - When everyone learned that 1074 00:47:55,603 --> 00:47:57,166 he had been charged 1075 00:47:58,959 --> 00:48:01,462 for only two minor crimes, 1076 00:48:03,423 --> 00:48:05,008 there was 1077 00:48:05,009 --> 00:48:06,593 a bit of an uproar. 1078 00:48:06,635 --> 00:48:08,261 - How can nothing be found against him? 1079 00:48:08,302 --> 00:48:09,887 No evidence? 1080 00:48:09,929 --> 00:48:11,972 This is impossible. 1081 00:48:20,481 --> 00:48:21,983 They build all 1082 00:48:21,984 --> 00:48:23,485 these buildings, empires, 1083 00:48:23,526 --> 00:48:24,715 rooms with A/C. 1084 00:48:24,716 --> 00:48:25,903 What's the use? 1085 00:48:27,656 --> 00:48:29,470 Throw it all away. 1086 00:48:29,471 --> 00:48:31,284 Law and order does not exist. 1087 00:49:05,527 --> 00:49:06,862 I want 1088 00:49:06,863 --> 00:49:08,196 to tell the media that, 1089 00:49:08,237 --> 00:49:09,656 whenever he comes to our court, 1090 00:49:09,698 --> 00:49:11,240 He will be beaten up. 1091 00:49:12,408 --> 00:49:14,410 This is how we will give 1092 00:49:14,411 --> 00:49:16,412 an answer. 1093 00:49:16,454 --> 00:49:18,373 We are human beings 1094 00:49:18,374 --> 00:49:20,291 as well as lawyers. 1095 00:49:20,333 --> 00:49:22,168 Every citizen of India should do the same. 1096 00:49:22,209 --> 00:49:24,170 This is the first time 1097 00:49:24,171 --> 00:49:26,130 something so disgusting has occurred in India. 1098 00:49:26,172 --> 00:49:27,653 All this cannibalism 1099 00:49:27,654 --> 00:49:29,133 of children. Selling their parts. 1100 00:49:29,175 --> 00:49:30,906 The law is for humans. 1101 00:49:30,907 --> 00:49:32,637 This guy is a monster. 1102 00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:34,264 When he comes to our court, 1103 00:49:34,265 --> 00:49:35,849 this is how we will greet him. 1104 00:49:35,890 --> 00:49:37,037 This time, 1105 00:49:37,038 --> 00:49:38,184 he got off. 1106 00:49:39,686 --> 00:49:44,941 - My heart will only rest 1107 00:49:46,693 --> 00:49:48,716 when he is hanged 1108 00:49:48,717 --> 00:49:50,739 for his awful crimes. 1109 00:49:51,865 --> 00:49:53,367 It will give me 1110 00:49:53,368 --> 00:49:54,868 some peace of mind. 1111 00:49:54,909 --> 00:49:57,579 - The victims' 1112 00:49:57,580 --> 00:50:00,248 families told me 1113 00:50:00,289 --> 00:50:01,416 that when those two 1114 00:50:01,417 --> 00:50:02,542 were confessing, 1115 00:50:02,583 --> 00:50:05,170 they were also 1116 00:50:05,171 --> 00:50:07,756 present there. 1117 00:50:07,797 --> 00:50:09,695 Pandher confessed 1118 00:50:09,696 --> 00:50:11,593 in front of them. 1119 00:50:11,634 --> 00:50:12,927 Koli also gave a statement 1120 00:50:12,928 --> 00:50:14,220 saying he did it. 1121 00:50:14,261 --> 00:50:15,596 Pandher himself said 1122 00:50:15,597 --> 00:50:16,931 he had killed. 1123 00:50:18,433 --> 00:50:19,664 - So, Tehelka 1124 00:50:19,665 --> 00:50:20,894 found some documents 1125 00:50:20,936 --> 00:50:22,520 containing the case diary 1126 00:50:22,521 --> 00:50:24,104 from Payal's case. 1127 00:50:24,146 --> 00:50:27,107 Every case has a diary, 1128 00:50:27,149 --> 00:50:30,445 which is maintained by 1129 00:50:30,446 --> 00:50:33,740 the investigating officer. 1130 00:50:33,781 --> 00:50:35,157 That's the case diary. 1131 00:50:57,221 --> 00:50:59,474 But the CBI mentioned 1132 00:50:59,475 --> 00:51:01,726 the case diary 1133 00:51:01,768 --> 00:51:05,459 only where Koli took 1134 00:51:05,460 --> 00:51:09,149 responsibility for the murders. 1135 00:51:09,191 --> 00:51:12,091 They omitted completely 1136 00:51:12,092 --> 00:51:14,990 Pandher's confession, 1137 00:51:15,031 --> 00:51:18,555 where he admitted 1138 00:51:18,556 --> 00:51:22,079 to the murders. 1139 00:51:22,121 --> 00:51:24,541 - Pandher said, 1140 00:51:24,542 --> 00:51:26,960 "When I could not sleep at night, 1141 00:51:27,001 --> 00:51:29,086 I asked Koli 1142 00:51:29,087 --> 00:51:31,171 to get me a girl. 1143 00:51:31,213 --> 00:51:32,986 Koli would go 1144 00:51:32,987 --> 00:51:34,759 in front of the gate 1145 00:51:34,801 --> 00:51:36,824 and find me a girl 1146 00:51:36,825 --> 00:51:38,846 and bring her to me. 1147 00:51:38,888 --> 00:51:42,246 First I would rape the child 1148 00:51:42,247 --> 00:51:45,603 and then give her to Koli. 'Do whatever you want.' 1149 00:51:45,645 --> 00:51:47,710 When he was finished, 1150 00:51:47,711 --> 00:51:49,774 I would tell him to kill, 1151 00:51:49,816 --> 00:51:51,172 cut up, 1152 00:51:51,173 --> 00:51:52,527 and dispose of the body." 1153 00:51:52,568 --> 00:51:54,070 - There is 1154 00:51:54,071 --> 00:51:55,571 no confession in the police custody 1155 00:51:55,613 --> 00:51:57,073 made by my father. 1156 00:51:57,114 --> 00:51:58,554 He was made to sign 1157 00:51:58,555 --> 00:51:59,993 two blank documents 1158 00:52:00,034 --> 00:52:02,078 by Noida police, 1159 00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,142 which I was told by 1160 00:52:04,143 --> 00:52:06,183 my father the day I met him, "I have signed two documents 1161 00:52:06,207 --> 00:52:07,688 which are blank 1162 00:52:07,689 --> 00:52:09,168 and submitted to the Noida police." 1163 00:52:09,209 --> 00:52:11,024 Those documents 1164 00:52:11,025 --> 00:52:12,839 have not been relied upon by the CBI, 1165 00:52:12,881 --> 00:52:14,069 because any evidence given 1166 00:52:14,070 --> 00:52:15,257 to the police, 1167 00:52:15,299 --> 00:52:16,801 or any, uh, confession given 1168 00:52:16,802 --> 00:52:18,302 to the police 1169 00:52:18,344 --> 00:52:20,013 is not admissible in the 1170 00:52:20,014 --> 00:52:21,681 Indian Judicial System. 1171 00:52:21,722 --> 00:52:23,850 Add to that also, 1172 00:52:23,892 --> 00:52:25,560 to take my father's custody... 1173 00:52:25,601 --> 00:52:27,228 To take any person's custody, 1174 00:52:27,269 --> 00:52:28,792 You need a confession 1175 00:52:28,793 --> 00:52:30,314 or you need evidence 1176 00:52:30,356 --> 00:52:31,608 to take a person's, uh, 1177 00:52:31,609 --> 00:52:32,859 police custody. 1178 00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:35,903 And I think these things 1179 00:52:35,904 --> 00:52:38,906 were concocted just to take my father's custody. 1180 00:52:38,948 --> 00:52:42,744 - Let's assume 1181 00:52:42,745 --> 00:52:46,539 that Pandher was innocent. 1182 00:52:46,581 --> 00:52:48,103 The cops had no idea 1183 00:52:48,104 --> 00:52:49,625 how big this case was. 1184 00:52:49,667 --> 00:52:50,856 And when they realized 1185 00:52:50,857 --> 00:52:52,045 how big it was, 1186 00:52:52,086 --> 00:52:53,087 they probably 1187 00:52:53,088 --> 00:52:54,088 got overwhelmed. 1188 00:52:54,130 --> 00:52:56,132 - So, the confession. 1189 00:52:56,173 --> 00:52:58,488 We spoke to the cops, 1190 00:52:58,489 --> 00:53:00,803 and they told us he hadn't confessed. 1191 00:53:00,845 --> 00:53:02,952 This confession 1192 00:53:02,953 --> 00:53:05,058 had no evidentiary value. 1193 00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:06,685 The officers presumed 1194 00:53:06,686 --> 00:53:08,269 he was guilty 1195 00:53:08,310 --> 00:53:09,896 and wrote the confession. 1196 00:53:09,938 --> 00:53:11,919 No officer has said that he 1197 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,900 confessed in front of him. 1198 00:53:13,941 --> 00:53:15,902 Even Pandher denies it. 1199 00:53:15,944 --> 00:53:18,801 At that time, the perception 1200 00:53:18,802 --> 00:53:21,657 was, "How could he have not known?" 1201 00:53:21,699 --> 00:53:23,430 So they made it up 1202 00:53:23,431 --> 00:53:25,161 to show his involvement. 1203 00:53:25,202 --> 00:53:27,496 That wasn't correct. 1204 00:53:27,538 --> 00:53:28,539 - We have 1205 00:53:28,540 --> 00:53:29,540 no investigations here. 1206 00:53:29,582 --> 00:53:30,979 If there's 1207 00:53:30,980 --> 00:53:32,394 a murder committed, cops ask the family, 1208 00:53:32,418 --> 00:53:34,503 "Who could have done it?" 1209 00:53:34,545 --> 00:53:38,967 They take a person's name. 1210 00:53:39,008 --> 00:53:41,177 Even if he isn't involved, 1211 00:53:41,178 --> 00:53:43,345 he is made the culprit. 1212 00:53:43,387 --> 00:53:45,723 There's a trial against him. 1213 00:53:45,765 --> 00:53:48,268 Then the court needs 1214 00:53:48,269 --> 00:53:50,770 to decide his verdict. 1215 00:53:50,812 --> 00:53:52,084 But no one will collect 1216 00:53:52,085 --> 00:53:53,355 evidence here. 1217 00:53:53,397 --> 00:53:55,275 It's enough to say 1218 00:53:55,276 --> 00:53:57,152 we "feel" he is guilty. 1219 00:53:58,153 --> 00:54:00,029 Anyone can rig fake witnesses 1220 00:54:00,071 --> 00:54:01,281 Who say they've seen him 1221 00:54:01,282 --> 00:54:02,490 commit murder. 1222 00:54:02,531 --> 00:54:03,783 That's the basic concept 1223 00:54:03,784 --> 00:54:05,034 of this country. 1224 00:54:06,326 --> 00:54:08,829 - The question 1225 00:54:08,830 --> 00:54:11,332 that arises here is that, 1226 00:54:11,373 --> 00:54:12,812 if the cops wrote 1227 00:54:12,813 --> 00:54:14,251 that wrong statement, 1228 00:54:14,293 --> 00:54:15,878 then the police have done 1229 00:54:15,879 --> 00:54:17,463 something wrong. 1230 00:54:18,547 --> 00:54:21,509 Assuming the statement 1231 00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:24,470 is wrong, 1232 00:54:24,511 --> 00:54:27,849 then Pandher could go 1233 00:54:27,850 --> 00:54:31,186 to the gallows based on it. 1234 00:54:41,654 --> 00:54:43,531 - I will tell you 1235 00:54:43,532 --> 00:54:45,407 the most important thing. 1236 00:54:45,449 --> 00:54:46,972 Everybody will be shocked 1237 00:54:46,973 --> 00:54:48,494 when they hear this. 1238 00:54:48,535 --> 00:54:50,705 There are 13 cases. 1239 00:54:50,706 --> 00:54:52,874 The CBI has done all the investigations. 1240 00:54:53,791 --> 00:54:56,002 Case number one. 1241 00:54:56,043 --> 00:54:57,232 On the day 1242 00:54:57,233 --> 00:54:58,420 of the murder, 1243 00:54:58,462 --> 00:54:59,901 Pandher was in Australia 1244 00:54:59,902 --> 00:55:01,340 and not in Noida. 1245 00:55:01,382 --> 00:55:04,114 Second case. 1246 00:55:04,115 --> 00:55:06,846 Pandher was in Chandigarh. 1247 00:55:06,887 --> 00:55:09,286 Third case. Pandher was 1248 00:55:09,287 --> 00:55:11,684 over here, over there. 1249 00:55:11,726 --> 00:55:14,020 In all 13 cases, 1250 00:55:14,021 --> 00:55:16,313 there was an alibi. 1251 00:55:16,355 --> 00:55:18,107 - So, they asked us, how do we not... 1252 00:55:18,149 --> 00:55:20,067 How do we corroborate the entire thing? 1253 00:55:20,109 --> 00:55:21,277 How do we know 1254 00:55:21,278 --> 00:55:22,444 whether he was there or not? 1255 00:55:22,486 --> 00:55:23,487 So my first answer was, 1256 00:55:23,488 --> 00:55:24,488 "Sir, uh, 1257 00:55:24,530 --> 00:55:25,740 when you leave the country, 1258 00:55:25,741 --> 00:55:26,949 your passport is stamped. 1259 00:55:26,991 --> 00:55:28,514 When you enter 1260 00:55:28,515 --> 00:55:30,053 another country, your passport is stamped. 1261 00:55:30,077 --> 00:55:31,454 Then he used to carry 1262 00:55:31,455 --> 00:55:32,830 his cell phone with him. 1263 00:55:32,872 --> 00:55:34,498 There are international calls 1264 00:55:34,540 --> 00:55:35,625 To him in Canada 1265 00:55:35,626 --> 00:55:36,709 on his cell phone. 1266 00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:38,064 He is making calls 1267 00:55:38,065 --> 00:55:39,378 to his customers in India. 1268 00:55:39,419 --> 00:55:41,130 So obviously the outgoing 1269 00:55:41,131 --> 00:55:42,840 will also be explained in his bill. 1270 00:55:53,226 --> 00:55:54,912 Through the slips they tracked him down, 1271 00:55:54,936 --> 00:55:56,020 That he was traveling 1272 00:55:56,021 --> 00:55:57,104 from here to here. 1273 00:55:57,146 --> 00:55:58,439 He stayed here. 1274 00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:59,732 If he stayed in a hotel, 1275 00:55:59,773 --> 00:56:01,254 the bills were already 1276 00:56:01,255 --> 00:56:02,735 produced on record in the company. 1277 00:56:02,777 --> 00:56:04,195 They took up those bills, 1278 00:56:04,196 --> 00:56:05,613 they went to the hotel. 1279 00:56:05,654 --> 00:56:07,573 They took up evidences from the waiters, 1280 00:56:07,615 --> 00:56:09,491 The receptionist, everyone. 1281 00:56:09,533 --> 00:56:10,951 They confirmed 1282 00:56:10,952 --> 00:56:12,387 whether my father stayed there or not. 1283 00:56:12,411 --> 00:56:17,666 - When the incidents happened, 1284 00:56:17,708 --> 00:56:20,399 we verified his 1285 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,089 mobile phone's locations. 1286 00:56:23,131 --> 00:56:27,302 Where he went, his schedule. 1287 00:56:27,343 --> 00:56:29,803 We verified everything. 1288 00:56:29,845 --> 00:56:31,680 There were some incidents 1289 00:56:31,681 --> 00:56:33,515 where he was in Australia, 1290 00:56:33,557 --> 00:56:36,331 so we checked his passports 1291 00:56:36,332 --> 00:56:39,105 and visas. 1292 00:56:39,146 --> 00:56:42,483 Most of the time, 1293 00:56:42,484 --> 00:56:45,820 Pandher wasn't in town when the crimes took place. 1294 00:56:45,861 --> 00:56:47,571 Most of the time. 1295 00:56:47,613 --> 00:56:49,094 - The biggest 1296 00:56:49,095 --> 00:56:50,401 thing is that the CBI made a foolish mistake. 1297 00:56:50,425 --> 00:56:52,723 They verified 1298 00:56:52,724 --> 00:56:54,829 the phone's location, not the man's location. 1299 00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:56,789 They can be different. 1300 00:56:56,831 --> 00:56:58,499 The phone's location 1301 00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:00,167 won't always be the same as the man's. 1302 00:57:00,209 --> 00:57:01,961 It's possible that, 1303 00:57:01,962 --> 00:57:03,712 at the time of the murders, 1304 00:57:03,754 --> 00:57:05,151 he kept his phone 1305 00:57:05,152 --> 00:57:06,548 somewhere else. 1306 00:57:06,590 --> 00:57:09,301 The CBI has given alibis 1307 00:57:09,302 --> 00:57:12,012 for all 13 cases 1308 00:57:12,054 --> 00:57:15,328 saying that Pandher was 1309 00:57:15,329 --> 00:57:18,602 not here when the crimes were committed. 1310 00:57:18,644 --> 00:57:21,481 But no scientific evidence 1311 00:57:21,482 --> 00:57:24,317 was used to ascertain the exact dates of the murders. 1312 00:57:24,358 --> 00:57:25,443 Only the dates 1313 00:57:25,444 --> 00:57:26,527 of the kidnappings. 1314 00:57:26,568 --> 00:57:27,862 We know 1315 00:57:27,863 --> 00:57:29,155 when the kids vanished. 1316 00:57:29,197 --> 00:57:31,095 They could have taken 1317 00:57:31,096 --> 00:57:32,992 a girl, but killed her two or three days later. 1318 00:57:33,033 --> 00:57:34,285 That's unclear. 1319 00:58:01,896 --> 00:58:04,315 - But when the confessions 1320 00:58:04,316 --> 00:58:06,733 and the case diary were presented, 1321 00:58:06,775 --> 00:58:09,987 the saw was deposited 1322 00:58:09,988 --> 00:58:13,199 and his statement was taken and he was cross-examined. 1323 00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,389 At that point, based on the 1324 00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:19,538 evidence, the judge thought that Pandher was guilty. 1325 00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:22,562 She felt 1326 00:58:22,563 --> 00:58:25,544 Pandher was equally guilty 1327 00:58:25,585 --> 00:58:29,089 and summoned him 1328 00:58:29,090 --> 00:58:32,593 for a trial. 1329 00:58:35,846 --> 00:58:38,391 - My father was summoned under 1330 00:58:38,392 --> 00:58:40,935 Section 302, that is murder, 1331 00:58:40,976 --> 00:58:42,957 then, uh, read with 120B, 1332 00:58:42,958 --> 00:58:44,938 that's conspiracy to murder. 1333 00:58:45,605 --> 00:58:47,274 Then, uh, rape, 1334 00:58:47,316 --> 00:58:48,442 conspiracy to rape, 1335 00:58:48,443 --> 00:58:49,568 abduction. 1336 00:58:51,653 --> 00:58:53,030 So, after my father's 313, 1337 00:58:53,031 --> 00:58:54,407 he very 1338 00:58:54,448 --> 00:58:56,867 blatantly told me, "Listen, 1339 00:58:56,909 --> 00:58:58,432 I know I'm going 1340 00:58:58,433 --> 00:58:59,954 to get convicted. 1341 00:58:59,995 --> 00:59:01,143 And I have 1342 00:59:01,144 --> 00:59:02,290 this very bad feeling, 1343 00:59:02,331 --> 00:59:03,770 I don't know, like, 1344 00:59:03,771 --> 00:59:05,209 I think we are stuck now." 1345 00:59:05,251 --> 00:59:08,128 'THE KILLERS OF NITHARI' 1346 00:59:09,338 --> 00:59:12,258 - Pandher and his servant Koli 1347 00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:13,385 have been found guilty 1348 00:59:13,386 --> 00:59:14,469 in the Nithari case. 1349 00:59:14,510 --> 00:59:16,971 The special CBI court has 1350 00:59:16,972 --> 00:59:19,432 found them guilty in the Rimpa Haldar murder case. 1351 00:59:19,473 --> 00:59:21,142 Their sentences 1352 00:59:21,143 --> 00:59:22,810 will be announced tomorrow. 1353 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,564 'SEARCH FOR MISSING KIDS' 1354 00:59:27,606 --> 00:59:29,859 Pandher and Koli are 1355 00:59:29,860 --> 00:59:32,111 the Nithari serial killers. 1356 00:59:32,153 --> 00:59:33,550 The special CBI court judge, 1357 00:59:33,551 --> 00:59:34,947 Rama Jain, 1358 00:59:34,989 --> 00:59:37,867 has judged Koli guilty 1359 00:59:37,868 --> 00:59:40,744 of murdering and raping 14-year-old Rimpa Haldar, 1360 00:59:40,786 --> 00:59:43,268 while Pandher has been found 1361 00:59:43,269 --> 00:59:45,749 guilty of conspiracy to murder. 1362 00:59:45,791 --> 00:59:47,793 - At that time, 1363 00:59:47,794 --> 00:59:49,795 both the accused started crying. 1364 00:59:49,836 --> 00:59:51,463 Pandher was really shocked 1365 00:59:51,464 --> 00:59:53,090 and fainted. 1366 00:59:53,132 --> 00:59:55,614 Pandher's wife and his son 1367 00:59:55,615 --> 00:59:58,095 told the media 1368 00:59:58,137 --> 01:00:00,056 that they do not trust 1369 01:00:00,057 --> 01:00:01,974 the courts anymore. 1370 01:00:02,015 --> 01:00:03,663 - They don't want justice, 1371 01:00:03,664 --> 01:00:05,311 they only want Pandher. 1372 01:00:05,353 --> 01:00:07,480 They just want a scapegoat 1373 01:00:07,481 --> 01:00:09,606 who can be hanged. 1374 01:00:09,648 --> 01:00:10,858 If this 1375 01:00:10,859 --> 01:00:12,067 is what justice is, fine. 1376 01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:13,506 But this is an injustice 1377 01:00:13,507 --> 01:00:14,947 for us. As family, this is injustice. 1378 01:00:15,863 --> 01:00:17,698 We are hurting for it 1379 01:00:17,739 --> 01:00:19,199 because as an Indian, 1380 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,676 I expect my country to do justice to me. 1381 01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:22,015 I expect my judicial system 1382 01:00:22,016 --> 01:00:23,329 to do justice to me. 1383 01:00:24,205 --> 01:00:25,956 This is wrong! 1384 01:00:25,998 --> 01:00:27,333 - When we were held guilty 1385 01:00:27,334 --> 01:00:28,667 by the court, 1386 01:00:28,708 --> 01:00:29,876 my lawyer came up to me. 1387 01:00:29,877 --> 01:00:31,044 That is Devraj. 1388 01:00:31,086 --> 01:00:32,317 He was very blunt to me. 1389 01:00:32,318 --> 01:00:33,548 He's like, "Listen, 1390 01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:35,550 I fear it's going to be 1391 01:00:35,551 --> 01:00:37,510 a death penalty. 1392 01:00:37,552 --> 01:00:39,116 But they have asked me 1393 01:00:39,117 --> 01:00:40,679 to argue what... 1394 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,014 What kind of penalty 1395 01:00:42,015 --> 01:00:43,307 would you want?" 1396 01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:45,767 - I said, "This is India. 1397 01:00:45,809 --> 01:00:47,936 If you give us 1398 01:00:47,937 --> 01:00:50,063 lifetime imprisonment, 1399 01:00:50,105 --> 01:00:53,900 no one will hear our appeal. 1400 01:00:53,942 --> 01:00:56,924 Give us the death sentence, 1401 01:00:56,925 --> 01:00:59,906 then maybe we can have an appeal in a year or two." 1402 01:00:59,948 --> 01:01:01,075 - You are my lawyer, 1403 01:01:01,076 --> 01:01:02,201 and you are asking me to, 1404 01:01:02,242 --> 01:01:03,970 you know, basically sell my father out, 1405 01:01:03,994 --> 01:01:04,995 And ask him to... 1406 01:01:04,996 --> 01:01:05,996 Asking me to take 1407 01:01:06,038 --> 01:01:07,582 the death penalty against him. 1408 01:01:07,623 --> 01:01:09,479 - Only the High Court 1409 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,335 can challenge this verdict. 1410 01:01:11,377 --> 01:01:13,692 If you give us life, 1411 01:01:13,693 --> 01:01:16,006 then the High Court will never listen to us. 1412 01:01:16,048 --> 01:01:17,738 Because the High Court has 1413 01:01:17,739 --> 01:01:19,427 a huge backlog of appeals. 1414 01:01:19,468 --> 01:01:21,720 Lifetime convictions 1415 01:01:21,721 --> 01:01:23,972 are still pending today. 1416 01:01:24,014 --> 01:01:25,411 It would have been the same 1417 01:01:25,412 --> 01:01:26,808 for us, waiting 20 years. 1418 01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:28,936 This seemed like a way out. 1419 01:01:28,977 --> 01:01:31,647 So by asking for the death 1420 01:01:31,648 --> 01:01:34,316 penalty, they might listen to us in a year or two. 1421 01:01:34,358 --> 01:01:35,401 - I thought for it 1422 01:01:35,402 --> 01:01:36,444 for two to three minutes. 1423 01:01:36,485 --> 01:01:37,695 I said, "Listen, I know 1424 01:01:37,696 --> 01:01:38,922 it's a very hard decision for me. 1425 01:01:38,946 --> 01:01:40,135 Go in for the death penalty. 1426 01:01:40,136 --> 01:01:41,323 Let's... Let's see." 1427 01:01:46,495 --> 01:01:48,539 - Today, 1428 01:01:48,540 --> 01:01:50,583 the decision is that, under Act 302, 1429 01:01:50,625 --> 01:01:52,376 Koli has been sentenced to death. 1430 01:01:52,418 --> 01:01:55,421 Pandher also gets 1431 01:01:55,422 --> 01:01:58,424 the death sentence and a fine of 50,000 rupees. 1432 01:01:58,466 --> 01:02:00,697 - I can never forget the day 1433 01:02:00,698 --> 01:02:02,928 when the verdict was given. 1434 01:02:02,969 --> 01:02:05,034 - I'm very happy 1435 01:02:05,035 --> 01:02:07,099 that both have been sentenced to death. 1436 01:02:07,140 --> 01:02:08,538 All the poor kids 1437 01:02:08,539 --> 01:02:09,935 of this country will be safe. 1438 01:02:09,977 --> 01:02:11,833 All kids, 1439 01:02:11,834 --> 01:02:13,689 whether rich or poor, 1440 01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:17,234 will be safe. 1441 01:02:17,276 --> 01:02:19,362 - The lower court 1442 01:02:19,363 --> 01:02:21,447 is the greatest court! 1443 01:02:21,489 --> 01:02:23,178 The best thing is that 1444 01:02:23,179 --> 01:02:24,866 the criminal who was being protected 1445 01:02:24,908 --> 01:02:26,389 by the CBI 1446 01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:27,869 and not even charged 1447 01:02:27,911 --> 01:02:30,101 has now been sentenced 1448 01:02:30,102 --> 01:02:32,291 to death by the court. 1449 01:02:32,333 --> 01:02:34,460 - It was a great time, 1450 01:02:34,461 --> 01:02:36,587 and whenever 1451 01:02:36,629 --> 01:02:38,631 I think of it, 1452 01:02:38,632 --> 01:02:40,633 I remember it fondly. 1453 01:02:40,675 --> 01:02:42,260 It was a very 1454 01:02:42,261 --> 01:02:43,844 exhilarating moment. 1455 01:02:45,262 --> 01:02:47,055 - And when he heard 1456 01:02:47,097 --> 01:02:48,119 that he was going to be 1457 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,141 held guilty anyways, 1458 01:02:49,183 --> 01:02:50,705 he in fact told me, 1459 01:02:50,706 --> 01:02:52,227 "Don't appeal it. It's... 1460 01:02:53,228 --> 01:02:55,021 It's just useless." 1461 01:02:55,063 --> 01:02:56,791 - He had actually given up hope. He's like, 1462 01:02:56,815 --> 01:02:58,004 "You know what? 1463 01:02:58,005 --> 01:02:59,210 I've just been branded. Just let it be." 1464 01:02:59,234 --> 01:03:00,444 He was like, "It's no use 1465 01:03:00,445 --> 01:03:01,654 fighting for my life. 1466 01:03:01,696 --> 01:03:03,614 Why don't you actually 1467 01:03:03,615 --> 01:03:05,532 break away from everything? 1468 01:03:05,574 --> 01:03:07,097 Sell off a few of the things 1469 01:03:07,098 --> 01:03:08,619 that you possess. 1470 01:03:08,661 --> 01:03:10,412 Start a new life. 1471 01:03:10,454 --> 01:03:11,872 Live your life the way, 1472 01:03:11,873 --> 01:03:13,290 you know, you want to. 1473 01:03:13,332 --> 01:03:15,417 Let these cases be." 1474 01:03:15,459 --> 01:03:17,440 - Do you feel the judgment 1475 01:03:17,441 --> 01:03:19,421 has been influenced? 1476 01:03:19,463 --> 01:03:21,423 - Thanks to the media. 1477 01:03:23,050 --> 01:03:24,468 Thank you. 1478 01:03:24,510 --> 01:03:26,303 - Will you appeal? - -Of course. 1479 01:03:26,345 --> 01:03:27,346 - What is 1480 01:03:27,347 --> 01:03:28,347 your father saying? 1481 01:03:28,388 --> 01:03:29,848 - He doesn't 1482 01:03:29,849 --> 01:03:31,326 want me to appeal. He says, "I want to die." 1483 01:03:31,350 --> 01:03:32,414 "I don't want 1484 01:03:32,415 --> 01:03:33,477 to live with the shame." 1485 01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:35,041 He's told me 1486 01:03:35,042 --> 01:03:36,602 not to appeal. But I am going to appeal. 1487 01:03:37,856 --> 01:03:39,274 I am. 1488 01:03:39,316 --> 01:03:41,235 Thank you. 1489 01:03:41,276 --> 01:03:42,944 - And I refused. And I still remember, 1490 01:03:42,986 --> 01:03:44,422 I was crying. I was standing with him, I was crying. 1491 01:03:44,446 --> 01:03:45,573 I said, it's not 1492 01:03:45,574 --> 01:03:46,716 going to happen. As much as you want 1493 01:03:46,740 --> 01:03:48,718 to try to explain - things to me, It's not going to happen. 1494 01:03:48,742 --> 01:03:50,285 It's the end of the story with me. 1495 01:03:50,327 --> 01:03:52,287 I am fighting it. I am fighting it. 1496 01:03:52,329 --> 01:03:53,955 I'll not lose heart for it. 1497 01:03:53,997 --> 01:03:55,582 I'll not give up on you, 1498 01:03:55,583 --> 01:03:57,167 because it's not in me. 1499 01:03:57,209 --> 01:03:59,103 I don't give up on things. I don't give up on family, 1500 01:03:59,127 --> 01:04:01,087 And especially my father, never ever will I. 1501 01:04:11,056 --> 01:04:13,914 - It was ten o'clock 1502 01:04:13,915 --> 01:04:16,771 when she vanished. 1503 01:04:16,812 --> 01:04:19,043 I'd heard 1504 01:04:19,044 --> 01:04:21,274 about other children missing in the area. 1505 01:04:21,316 --> 01:04:23,944 I started feeling nervous. 1506 01:04:23,945 --> 01:04:26,572 I took some boys to start looking around. 1507 01:04:27,948 --> 01:04:32,619 We had some bikes 1508 01:04:32,661 --> 01:04:37,374 and started looking for her. 1509 01:04:42,713 --> 01:04:46,050 - I ran to the tailor's shop 1510 01:04:46,051 --> 01:04:49,386 and asked if my daughter had come by. 1511 01:04:49,428 --> 01:04:51,180 He said his machine wasn't 1512 01:04:51,181 --> 01:04:52,931 working, so she left. 1513 01:04:52,972 --> 01:04:57,394 She had a scarf in her hand. 1514 01:04:57,436 --> 01:04:59,063 I went to the cigarette shop 1515 01:04:59,064 --> 01:05:00,689 and asked there. 1516 01:05:00,731 --> 01:05:02,691 He said he hadn't seen her. 1517 01:05:02,733 --> 01:05:04,506 There was a fruit seller. 1518 01:05:04,507 --> 01:05:06,278 "You have been sitting here for a while. 1519 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,531 Did you see her?" 1520 01:05:08,532 --> 01:05:10,741 He said, "No." 1521 01:05:15,454 --> 01:05:18,561 Pandher was standing there. 1522 01:05:18,562 --> 01:05:21,668 I asked him, "Sir, have you seen my daughter?" 1523 01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:26,131 "No," he said. He denied it. 1524 01:05:26,173 --> 01:05:28,675 "You've been here 1525 01:05:28,676 --> 01:05:31,177 for a while. Did you see her?" 1526 01:05:31,219 --> 01:05:34,076 He said, 1527 01:05:34,077 --> 01:05:36,933 "No. I haven't seen her." 1528 01:05:36,975 --> 01:05:38,727 He had been standing here, 1529 01:05:38,728 --> 01:05:40,479 he denied seeing my daughter. 1530 01:05:40,521 --> 01:05:42,877 He was right here, 1531 01:05:42,878 --> 01:05:45,233 holding onto his gate. 1532 01:05:45,275 --> 01:05:47,924 He saw me crying, but still 1533 01:05:47,925 --> 01:05:50,572 didn't say a word about where my daughter was. 1534 01:05:50,614 --> 01:05:52,262 All this time, 1535 01:05:52,263 --> 01:05:53,943 my daughter was kidnapped inside his house. 1536 01:06:11,885 --> 01:06:13,846 - Nobody is willing to believe 1537 01:06:13,887 --> 01:06:16,536 That Pandher had no idea 1538 01:06:16,537 --> 01:06:19,184 what was going on in his house. 1539 01:06:19,226 --> 01:06:21,249 No one has given them 1540 01:06:21,250 --> 01:06:23,271 answers to their questions. 1541 01:06:23,313 --> 01:06:25,628 No one can say exactly 1542 01:06:25,629 --> 01:06:27,943 why Pandher wasn't involved, 1543 01:06:28,026 --> 01:06:30,737 or why Pandher 1544 01:06:30,738 --> 01:06:33,448 isn't a criminal. 1545 01:06:33,490 --> 01:06:35,367 - Everything has happened in your house. 1546 01:06:35,408 --> 01:06:37,890 How come you don't know? 1547 01:06:37,891 --> 01:06:40,372 That is the simple most question people ask. 1548 01:06:40,414 --> 01:06:42,249 My question to them 1549 01:06:42,250 --> 01:06:44,083 has always been a very standard question. 1550 01:06:44,125 --> 01:06:45,272 You are sitting right now 1551 01:06:45,273 --> 01:06:46,419 in front of me. 1552 01:06:46,461 --> 01:06:47,650 What is happening 1553 01:06:47,651 --> 01:06:48,931 in your house? Please explain it. 1554 01:06:50,465 --> 01:06:51,613 And they don't have 1555 01:06:51,614 --> 01:06:52,974 an answer to it because they can't. 1556 01:06:54,678 --> 01:06:55,700 - You wanted to see 1557 01:06:55,701 --> 01:06:56,722 the servants' quarters? 1558 01:06:58,056 --> 01:06:59,057 Come. 1559 01:07:09,317 --> 01:07:10,677 Oh, they're not here right now. 1560 01:07:12,153 --> 01:07:13,259 A master and a servant 1561 01:07:13,260 --> 01:07:14,364 is actually 1562 01:07:14,406 --> 01:07:16,700 a very, uh, white term for 1563 01:07:16,701 --> 01:07:18,994 an employer and an employee. 1564 01:07:20,829 --> 01:07:22,497 We just retain the colonial 1565 01:07:22,498 --> 01:07:24,165 term "Servants", 1566 01:07:24,207 --> 01:07:25,646 otherwise they are as good 1567 01:07:25,647 --> 01:07:27,085 as our employees these days. 1568 01:07:27,126 --> 01:07:28,858 We cannot, uh... 1569 01:07:28,859 --> 01:07:30,589 It's not any kind of slavery. 1570 01:07:30,631 --> 01:07:32,758 They get their monthly dues. 1571 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,927 They, uh, do their work 1572 01:07:34,928 --> 01:07:37,053 according to what they are prescribed to do. 1573 01:07:37,095 --> 01:07:38,430 And that's about it. 1574 01:07:38,471 --> 01:07:40,244 It's... 1575 01:07:40,245 --> 01:07:42,017 It's a very clean, uh... 1576 01:07:42,058 --> 01:07:44,478 You may say it is an 1577 01:07:44,479 --> 01:07:46,897 employer-employee sort of a thing. 1578 01:07:46,939 --> 01:07:48,732 And, uh, like, 1579 01:07:48,733 --> 01:07:50,525 she is our maid at the house, 1580 01:07:50,567 --> 01:07:51,777 as well as, uh, 1581 01:07:51,778 --> 01:07:52,987 she is the gardener's wife. 1582 01:07:53,028 --> 01:07:54,029 They take care 1583 01:07:54,030 --> 01:07:55,030 of the entire garden 1584 01:07:55,071 --> 01:07:57,449 as well as she mops inside. 1585 01:07:57,490 --> 01:07:58,533 - It was 1586 01:07:58,534 --> 01:07:59,576 a normal house. 1587 01:07:59,618 --> 01:08:01,474 There was nothing 1588 01:08:01,475 --> 01:08:03,330 weird about it. 1589 01:08:03,371 --> 01:08:06,020 Most of Koli's activities 1590 01:08:06,021 --> 01:08:08,668 were in the upstairs bathroom. 1591 01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:10,545 Koli strangled people 1592 01:08:10,546 --> 01:08:12,398 downstairs and chopped their bodies in the bathroom. 1593 01:08:12,422 --> 01:08:14,278 It was a normal house 1594 01:08:14,279 --> 01:08:16,134 downstairs. 1595 01:08:16,175 --> 01:08:18,032 The only difference was that 1596 01:08:18,033 --> 01:08:19,888 there was no family living there. 1597 01:08:19,930 --> 01:08:23,079 Sometimes, Pandher would come and stay. 1598 01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,227 Otherwise, it was just Koli. 1599 01:08:28,396 --> 01:08:29,690 - So, Koli's relation 1600 01:08:29,691 --> 01:08:30,983 to the house was very clear. 1601 01:08:31,024 --> 01:08:32,651 He used to take care of the house 1602 01:08:32,692 --> 01:08:34,173 When my father or we people 1603 01:08:34,174 --> 01:08:35,654 were not around there. 1604 01:08:36,029 --> 01:08:37,656 So, 1605 01:08:37,697 --> 01:08:39,700 in a very simple term, 1606 01:08:39,741 --> 01:08:41,139 when we were not there, 1607 01:08:41,140 --> 01:08:42,536 he was the master of the house. 1608 01:08:42,577 --> 01:08:43,704 Like, they have a unit 1609 01:08:43,705 --> 01:08:44,830 to themselves. 1610 01:08:44,872 --> 01:08:46,457 Koli had on the first floor, 1611 01:08:46,458 --> 01:08:48,042 he had a room to himself. 1612 01:08:48,083 --> 01:08:49,751 And he had a washroom attached to it. 1613 01:08:49,793 --> 01:08:51,503 He had an independent entry 1614 01:08:51,544 --> 01:08:52,796 as well as an entry 1615 01:08:52,797 --> 01:08:54,047 from inside the house. 1616 01:08:56,215 --> 01:08:57,801 - They think it's us who have done it, 1617 01:08:57,843 --> 01:08:59,123 It's my father who's done it. 1618 01:09:01,096 --> 01:09:02,660 How much ever we explain it, 1619 01:09:02,661 --> 01:09:04,224 how much ever we tried to 1620 01:09:04,265 --> 01:09:05,517 simplify things for them, 1621 01:09:05,559 --> 01:09:06,685 they just don't want to... 1622 01:09:06,686 --> 01:09:07,811 They have... 1623 01:09:07,853 --> 01:09:09,959 A story has been, you know, 1624 01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,065 made in their head, and they are following that. 1625 01:09:12,107 --> 01:09:13,835 They are not looking towards the evidence. 1626 01:09:13,859 --> 01:09:15,924 I, in fact, sat down with 1627 01:09:15,925 --> 01:09:17,988 a single victim's family for once. 1628 01:09:18,030 --> 01:09:19,135 I explained them 1629 01:09:19,136 --> 01:09:20,257 the evidence, "Listen, this is how it is." 1630 01:09:20,281 --> 01:09:21,804 And he didn't pursue a case 1631 01:09:21,805 --> 01:09:23,326 against my father. 1632 01:09:23,368 --> 01:09:25,120 I was... My father was not 1633 01:09:25,121 --> 01:09:26,872 summoned in his son's case. 1634 01:09:26,914 --> 01:09:28,623 And that case has reached High Court. 1635 01:09:28,665 --> 01:09:29,875 And only Surinder Koli 1636 01:09:29,876 --> 01:09:31,084 was convicted in that case. 1637 01:09:31,126 --> 01:09:32,273 My father was not made 1638 01:09:32,274 --> 01:09:33,419 a party in that case also. 1639 01:09:35,588 --> 01:09:36,902 - This is the main thing 1640 01:09:36,903 --> 01:09:38,216 that's working against us. 1641 01:09:41,762 --> 01:09:44,452 Here you go. 1642 01:09:44,453 --> 01:09:47,142 Read this to satisfy yourself. 1643 01:09:52,772 --> 01:09:54,816 - Give me that portion as well. 1644 01:09:54,858 --> 01:09:57,235 - That's what I was looking for. 1645 01:09:57,276 --> 01:09:58,507 -The one about 1646 01:09:58,508 --> 01:09:59,748 the washerman's daughter? -Yes. 1647 01:10:02,116 --> 01:10:05,286 - Give me a smoke. This is what 1648 01:10:05,287 --> 01:10:08,455 you were looking for, the entire discussion. 1649 01:10:13,877 --> 01:10:16,421 Everything is discussed here. 1650 01:10:17,505 --> 01:10:20,092 - Then, I saw a girl walking. 1651 01:10:20,133 --> 01:10:22,448 Her name was Jyoti. 1652 01:10:22,449 --> 01:10:24,763 She used to deliver clothes to the house. 1653 01:10:24,805 --> 01:10:27,515 Her father was a washerman. 1654 01:10:27,557 --> 01:10:29,163 And she had come 1655 01:10:29,164 --> 01:10:30,769 a couple of times to take our clothes. 1656 01:10:30,811 --> 01:10:32,542 I asked her to come inside 1657 01:10:32,543 --> 01:10:34,272 and pick up some clothes for ironing. 1658 01:10:34,313 --> 01:10:38,902 She followed me inside. 1659 01:10:38,944 --> 01:10:40,820 I asked her where she was coming from. 1660 01:10:40,862 --> 01:10:42,656 She said, 1661 01:10:42,657 --> 01:10:44,449 "From the tailor's." 1662 01:10:44,491 --> 01:10:47,223 I said, "Count the clothes 1663 01:10:47,224 --> 01:10:49,955 I give you." She kept her scarf on the side. 1664 01:10:49,997 --> 01:10:51,665 I took her scarf 1665 01:10:51,666 --> 01:10:53,333 and suffocated her. 1666 01:10:53,374 --> 01:10:55,376 She was 10 or 12 years old. 1667 01:10:57,963 --> 01:10:59,756 She was unconscious. 1668 01:10:59,757 --> 01:11:01,549 I tried to have sex with her body. 1669 01:11:01,591 --> 01:11:03,656 I strangled her more 1670 01:11:03,657 --> 01:11:05,720 with her own scarf. I kept her in the bathroom. 1671 01:11:05,762 --> 01:11:07,827 Then I came downstairs 1672 01:11:07,828 --> 01:11:09,891 and picked up a sack. 1673 01:11:09,933 --> 01:11:12,206 I put the body in the sack 1674 01:11:12,207 --> 01:11:14,479 and kept it in the bathroom until the evening. 1675 01:11:14,521 --> 01:11:17,983 That day, Pandher was at home. 1676 01:11:18,024 --> 01:11:19,484 But I don't know if he knew 1677 01:11:19,485 --> 01:11:20,944 about the body. 1678 01:11:21,945 --> 01:11:24,614 "Her name was Jyoti." 1679 01:11:24,656 --> 01:11:25,908 - Is there something 1680 01:11:25,909 --> 01:11:27,159 about Jyoti? - Yes, here. 1681 01:11:27,201 --> 01:11:29,286 "Her name was Jyoti, she was 1682 01:11:29,287 --> 01:11:31,371 the washerman's daughter." 1683 01:11:36,001 --> 01:11:37,502 - Here it is. 1684 01:11:37,543 --> 01:11:44,217 "She was dead. 1685 01:11:44,259 --> 01:11:49,389 Pandher was at home that day. 1686 01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:51,933 But I'm not sure 1687 01:11:51,934 --> 01:11:54,435 if he knew about the body." 1688 01:11:57,563 --> 01:11:58,878 - Even we kept 1689 01:11:58,879 --> 01:12:00,192 hammering him about this. 1690 01:12:00,233 --> 01:12:01,422 This has been going on 1691 01:12:01,423 --> 01:12:02,610 for so long. 1692 01:12:02,652 --> 01:12:04,487 How can you not know? 1693 01:12:04,529 --> 01:12:05,822 Pandher had so much 1694 01:12:05,823 --> 01:12:07,115 confidence in Koli. 1695 01:12:07,157 --> 01:12:08,387 He was so simple 1696 01:12:08,388 --> 01:12:09,617 that no one could think 1697 01:12:09,659 --> 01:12:10,848 he could commit 1698 01:12:10,849 --> 01:12:12,037 such a heinous crime. 1699 01:12:12,079 --> 01:12:13,872 Koli never had any bad habits. 1700 01:12:13,873 --> 01:12:15,665 He never smoked, 1701 01:12:15,707 --> 01:12:17,459 never went out, 1702 01:12:17,460 --> 01:12:19,211 had no visitors. 1703 01:12:19,252 --> 01:12:21,901 So how can you doubt 1704 01:12:21,902 --> 01:12:24,549 someone so simple? 1705 01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:27,448 - Another question is, 1706 01:12:27,449 --> 01:12:30,305 Pandher being an educated guy, 1707 01:12:30,346 --> 01:12:32,432 even though he was sick, 1708 01:12:32,433 --> 01:12:34,517 he was pretty smart. 1709 01:12:34,559 --> 01:12:37,562 He would have the means 1710 01:12:37,563 --> 01:12:40,565 to move the bodies somewhere else. 1711 01:12:40,606 --> 01:12:48,606 Why would he throw them behind the house? No smart person would do that. 1712 01:12:56,714 --> 01:12:58,083 Whenever the murders 1713 01:12:58,084 --> 01:13:00,126 took place, he says he was not at home. 1714 01:13:00,168 --> 01:13:01,794 What does this mean? 1715 01:13:03,213 --> 01:13:05,153 If I steal and hide it at 1716 01:13:05,154 --> 01:13:07,092 someone else's house, 1717 01:13:07,133 --> 01:13:08,364 that person is the thief. 1718 01:13:08,365 --> 01:13:09,594 No matter how much he shouts, 1719 01:13:09,636 --> 01:13:10,950 "He did this. 1720 01:13:10,951 --> 01:13:12,264 He kept it here." 1721 01:13:12,306 --> 01:13:13,870 All the remains 1722 01:13:13,871 --> 01:13:15,433 are at Pandher's house. 1723 01:13:15,475 --> 01:13:17,644 How can Koli be guilty? 1724 01:13:17,645 --> 01:13:19,813 Pandher is the guilty one. 1725 01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:27,884 What will they do? 1726 01:13:27,885 --> 01:13:30,657 Why did my case get the last date? 1727 01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:34,849 In my case, 1728 01:13:34,850 --> 01:13:37,538 there's only one hearing, 1729 01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:40,104 and then they stopped. 1730 01:13:40,105 --> 01:13:42,627 It's all the CBI's doing. 1731 01:13:42,668 --> 01:13:44,837 I was betrayed 1732 01:13:44,838 --> 01:13:47,006 by Sonia Gandhi. 1733 01:13:48,216 --> 01:13:50,531 - There are six cases 1734 01:13:50,532 --> 01:13:52,846 against them. 1735 01:13:52,887 --> 01:13:54,660 Many of the families 1736 01:13:54,661 --> 01:13:56,432 got bought off or withdrew. 1737 01:13:56,474 --> 01:13:57,559 Still, six cases against 1738 01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:58,643 Pandher are still there. 1739 01:13:58,685 --> 01:14:00,770 For the Rimpa Haldar case, 1740 01:14:00,771 --> 01:14:02,855 both face the death penalty. 1741 01:14:02,897 --> 01:14:05,233 And death in Payal's case? 1742 01:14:05,275 --> 01:14:07,568 No, not in Payal yet. 1743 01:14:07,610 --> 01:14:09,946 No, it hasn't? 1744 01:14:09,947 --> 01:14:12,282 Not yet, only one death penalty. 1745 01:14:12,324 --> 01:14:15,515 The Pinky Sarkar case is in 1746 01:14:15,516 --> 01:14:18,705 court now. They should get death for that as well. 1747 01:14:18,746 --> 01:14:20,790 Then there is our Jyoti 1748 01:14:20,791 --> 01:14:22,834 and some more pending. 1749 01:14:22,875 --> 01:14:25,670 Strong testimony in all. 1750 01:14:25,711 --> 01:14:27,526 Both will get death 1751 01:14:27,527 --> 01:14:29,341 in those cases. 1752 01:14:29,382 --> 01:14:32,010 All this will take some time. 1753 01:14:32,051 --> 01:14:34,783 Until then, 1754 01:14:34,784 --> 01:14:37,515 we won't let Pandher get out. 1755 01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:41,874 This is a long legal process, 1756 01:14:41,875 --> 01:14:44,647 but we have to go on. 1757 01:14:53,781 --> 01:14:55,325 - In this case, 1758 01:14:55,326 --> 01:14:56,886 many people have given and taken payoffs. 1759 01:14:56,910 --> 01:15:00,267 People have moved up. 1760 01:15:00,268 --> 01:15:03,624 The ones who had huts now have houses. 1761 01:15:03,666 --> 01:15:05,376 People who never had 1762 01:15:05,377 --> 01:15:07,086 bicycles now have cars. 1763 01:15:08,796 --> 01:15:09,985 The weak person 1764 01:15:09,986 --> 01:15:11,174 will always come to harm, 1765 01:15:11,216 --> 01:15:13,843 no matter where he goes. 1766 01:16:11,859 --> 01:16:15,238 ♪Your beautiful cheeks...♪ 1767 01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:16,989 - Oh, my, oh, my. 1768 01:16:17,740 --> 01:16:19,951 - What a song! 1769 01:16:19,993 --> 01:16:22,767 ♪ Your beautiful cheeks 1770 01:16:22,768 --> 01:16:25,540 Oranges on your chest♪ 1771 01:16:26,666 --> 01:16:28,751 - What are you saying? 1772 01:16:45,519 --> 01:16:47,124 -Someone told us 1773 01:16:47,125 --> 01:16:48,729 that the cops came to Pandher's house 1774 01:16:48,771 --> 01:16:50,023 at night 1775 01:16:50,024 --> 01:16:51,274 and took some stuff. 1776 01:16:51,316 --> 01:16:53,901 So, I had some doubts. 1777 01:16:55,903 --> 01:16:57,071 That's when I started 1778 01:16:57,072 --> 01:16:58,239 suspecting Pandher, 1779 01:16:58,281 --> 01:16:59,845 because everything happened 1780 01:16:59,846 --> 01:17:01,409 around his house. 1781 01:17:03,286 --> 01:17:05,163 At ten o'clock, 1782 01:17:05,164 --> 01:17:07,040 I asked the boys to climb the wall. 1783 01:17:07,081 --> 01:17:08,916 And look inside the dump. 1784 01:17:08,958 --> 01:17:10,835 And in one plastic bag, we found a head. 1785 01:17:10,876 --> 01:17:13,505 A completely decomposed head. 1786 01:17:13,546 --> 01:17:16,508 Then I found another head, 1787 01:17:16,509 --> 01:17:19,469 and another. 1788 01:17:19,511 --> 01:17:21,200 We found three heads. 1789 01:17:21,201 --> 01:17:22,889 All decomposing. 1790 01:17:22,930 --> 01:17:25,099 Then I started 1791 01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:27,268 looking through the garbage again. 1792 01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:28,874 And I found a whole sack 1793 01:17:28,875 --> 01:17:30,438 with just body parts. 1794 01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:33,191 There were these 1795 01:17:33,192 --> 01:17:35,901 limbs over here. All these bones and joints. 1796 01:17:35,943 --> 01:17:38,946 Hands and limbs 1797 01:17:38,947 --> 01:17:41,949 were over there. 1798 01:17:52,418 --> 01:17:55,087 PRIME NITHARI CASE SUSPECT 1799 01:17:55,088 --> 01:17:57,756 PANDHER RELEASED 1800 01:17:57,798 --> 01:18:01,636 THE HIGH COURT GIVES HIM BAIL 1801 01:18:01,677 --> 01:18:03,262 - The prime suspect 1802 01:18:03,263 --> 01:18:04,865 in the sensational Nithari serial murders, Pandher, 1803 01:18:04,889 --> 01:18:06,224 has just received 1804 01:18:06,225 --> 01:18:07,577 a big reprieve from the High Court. 1805 01:18:07,601 --> 01:18:09,770 The High Court 1806 01:18:09,771 --> 01:18:11,938 has let him out on bail in five cases. 1807 01:18:15,608 --> 01:18:17,443 CBI CAN APPEAL 1808 01:18:17,444 --> 01:18:19,278 AGAINST THE RULING 1809 01:18:45,388 --> 01:18:48,182 - There was so much concoction 1810 01:18:48,224 --> 01:18:51,561 added by the Indian media 1811 01:18:51,603 --> 01:18:53,208 that no one could understand 1812 01:18:53,209 --> 01:18:54,813 what this man had done. 1813 01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:56,378 Everyone thought 1814 01:18:56,379 --> 01:18:57,900 he murdered children. 1815 01:18:57,942 --> 01:18:59,360 He first sexually abused them, 1816 01:18:59,402 --> 01:19:01,070 then murdered children, then ate them. 1817 01:19:01,112 --> 01:19:03,114 Like, all in all, 1818 01:19:03,115 --> 01:19:05,116 you were portraying a man to be completely 1819 01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:08,328 a complete monster, 1820 01:19:08,369 --> 01:19:09,954 to the extent 1821 01:19:09,955 --> 01:19:11,539 that it is just not doable. 1822 01:19:11,581 --> 01:19:13,559 Like, no person would ever in his darkest dream 1823 01:19:13,583 --> 01:19:14,918 Think there is a human being 1824 01:19:14,919 --> 01:19:16,252 like this who exists. 1825 01:19:21,006 --> 01:19:22,800 I always feared, like, 1826 01:19:22,841 --> 01:19:24,072 "What if my father wasn't 1827 01:19:24,073 --> 01:19:25,321 there with me ever? What would I do?" 1828 01:19:25,345 --> 01:19:26,993 And I think my worst fears 1829 01:19:26,994 --> 01:19:28,640 were answered here. 1830 01:19:28,682 --> 01:19:30,267 I had to walk 1831 01:19:30,268 --> 01:19:32,148 with my head held high. I had to face the world. 1832 01:19:33,186 --> 01:19:34,375 I even thought 1833 01:19:34,376 --> 01:19:35,563 to the extent, 1834 01:19:35,605 --> 01:19:36,752 "What if something 1835 01:19:36,753 --> 01:19:37,916 happens to him while he's in custody? 1836 01:19:37,940 --> 01:19:39,817 What am I gonna do?" 1837 01:19:39,858 --> 01:19:41,256 And the only thing 1838 01:19:41,257 --> 01:19:42,654 that came to my head was like, 1839 01:19:42,695 --> 01:19:43,926 in Indian Judicial System, 1840 01:19:43,927 --> 01:19:45,156 if a person passes away 1841 01:19:45,197 --> 01:19:46,345 and the trial 1842 01:19:46,346 --> 01:19:47,492 is still underway, 1843 01:19:47,534 --> 01:19:48,827 and if it's 1844 01:19:48,828 --> 01:19:50,548 a criminal trial, it automatically finishes. 1845 01:19:51,204 --> 01:19:52,664 But I would still fight it 1846 01:19:52,706 --> 01:19:54,020 for my family's reputation, 1847 01:19:54,021 --> 01:19:55,333 for my family's image. 1848 01:19:55,375 --> 01:19:56,626 I would still fight it. 1849 01:19:56,627 --> 01:19:57,876 I would not give up on it. 1850 01:21:22,587 --> 01:21:23,672 - It's the same kind 1851 01:21:23,673 --> 01:21:24,756 of battle. 1852 01:21:24,797 --> 01:21:28,092 Ravana had ten heads. 1853 01:21:28,093 --> 01:21:31,387 Similarly, Pandher thought he had lots of money. 1854 01:21:31,429 --> 01:21:34,140 "I can buy the law. 1855 01:21:34,181 --> 01:21:35,537 What can these 1856 01:21:35,538 --> 01:21:36,892 poor people do?" 1857 01:21:36,934 --> 01:21:38,770 Also, Ravana thought, 1858 01:21:38,771 --> 01:21:40,605 "Just small people. 1859 01:21:40,646 --> 01:21:42,294 I can squish them 1860 01:21:42,295 --> 01:21:43,941 whenever I want to." 1861 01:21:43,982 --> 01:21:46,131 I'm going to fight Pandher 1862 01:21:46,132 --> 01:21:48,279 just the way Rama fought Ravana. 1863 01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:49,655 Because he is rich, 1864 01:21:49,656 --> 01:21:50,989 and we are poor. 1865 01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:54,952 People tell me, 1866 01:21:54,953 --> 01:21:56,954 "He is an elephant, and you are an ant." 1867 01:21:56,996 --> 01:22:01,250 But Lord Rama was an ant. 1868 01:22:01,292 --> 01:22:04,211 And Ravana was very strong. 1869 01:22:04,253 --> 01:22:05,400 But time will decide 1870 01:22:05,401 --> 01:22:06,547 everything. 1871 01:22:06,589 --> 01:22:10,301 In the end, Ravana lost. 1872 01:22:33,533 --> 01:22:34,951 I will win. 1873 01:22:34,952 --> 01:22:36,369 It'll really happen. 1874 01:22:36,410 --> 01:22:38,683 Justice might be delayed, 1875 01:22:38,684 --> 01:22:40,956 but it won't be denied. 119122

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