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Previously on "The Bold Type"...
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It was such a stupid mistake,
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and I regret it every single day.
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I said no more talking.
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I'm gonna get the double mastectomy.
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There's no way that this
is where our story ends.
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Do you remember Miles Shaw?
I've been texting with him.
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- I'm Alex.
- Alicia Golden.
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You're gonna walk away
from an incredible woman
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because of your ego?
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You were with a guy recently?
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Honestly, I'm probably
more surprised than you are.
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I don't think it's a good
idea for us to be friends.
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- You're an assistant?
- Yes.
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You wasted my time.
Please don't waste anymore.
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When the opportunity presented itself
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for me to style Alice, I took it.
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I don't have any words for you, Sutton.
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Work's a mess, and Instagram is a mess.
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And I really love New York,
but without you here,
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it's, like, really hard.
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Ooh, "Scarlet" 's
potential new astrologer
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just sent predictions.
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Mine is, "You'll be drawn
into the unexpected."
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You know what's crazy is,
I just drew this bath.
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- That's insane.
- Like, what?
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Okay, what does mine say?
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Probably that Richard's
coming home tomorrow,
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and you're kicking us out at 7:00 a.m.
for a long-awaited bang fest.
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Yeah, you're damn right.
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"Ditch the familiar to
expand your horizons."
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So essentially, yeah.
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Well, since we're getting kicked out,
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I'm gonna try the shower.
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Ooh, you know, I wish you wouldn't
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'cause I do currently have
this very relaxing bath thing
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- going on.
- Mm, yeah.
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Well, look at that thing.
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It's... it's like a temple
for New York City showers,
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and I've never been in it,
so headphones, eyes closed.
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Fine.
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Before you get in,
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that attachment on
"low pulse" is magical.
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Is that why you're always in the shower?
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Long distance is tough.
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It's a good thing I'm home early.
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And I'm getting a new showerhead.
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Ha.
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What are you doing here?
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I hopped an early flight
so I could surprise you,
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which I clearly have done.
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- Hi, Jane.
- Hey.
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- I missed you.
- I missed you.
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You know, I almost
don't wanna disturb her.
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I do. Kat!
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Hey, Katrina.
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Wake up!
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Oh.
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I should marry you.
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That's a great idea.
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Speaking of which,
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I made us an appointment
with a wedding planner.
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Hmm?
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A questionnaire?
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Are there really that
many decisions to be made?
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Oh, yeah. We've got the guests,
the invitations, the food,
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venues, flower arrangements.
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Indoor or outdoor,
band or DJ, buffet or plated.
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We should use a planner.
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- What?
- _
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- Oliver?
- Yup.
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- Well, at least he's texting.
- Yeah.
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But he's still really mad
about the Alice Knight thing,
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and I have to figure out
some way to regain his trust.
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And you will. What's on tap today?
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"Star-Crossed Lovers" shoot.
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We're revamping the astrology section,
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so Jacqueline wants
us to do a modern take
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on "Romeo and Juliet."
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- Oh, literary.
- Mm-hmm.
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And my meeting has been
pulled up 20 minutes.
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Back here tonight?
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Yeah. No, that sounds fun.
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It's been too long.
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My breakfast just got here, so...
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Yeah. Can't wait to see you too.
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Okay. Love you.
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Love you? Really?
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'Cause I'm the guy who just
waited in line at H&H for you.
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Well, if there's
a cinnamon raisin in there,
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I love you more.
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Yeah.
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That was my brother, Evan.
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Lawyer, perfect wife, two kids,
and a labradoodle, Evan?
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Yes.
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I just told him about my surgery plan.
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Oh, yeah. And?
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He's got my back. Always does.
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What?
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He's actually in town for a deposition,
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and I'm getting lunch with
him today if you want to join.
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Meeting the family.
Well, that's a big step.
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It is.
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So don't screw it up.
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Astrology connects us with the universe.
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Our bodies, the stars,
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we're all made of the same stuff.
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And it's pretty awesome
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- how these ever-fixed marks,
- _
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you know, guide us as we
struggle to guide ourselves.
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_
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You don't believe in astrology, do you?
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My readers believe in astrology,
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and that is good enough for me.
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If you were to hire me full-time,
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wouldn't you wanna know how I do my job?
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- Okay, fine.
- Great, okay.
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Let's start with love, shall we?
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The high priestess.
This means trust your gut.
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Your intuition will help
determine your happiness.
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Nice. Kind of general, though, right?
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The tower. Ooh. Um...
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there's been a storm brewing
for quite some time now.
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Perhaps a power clash
between you and your partner?
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Perhaps.
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The lovers inverted,
so that means play it safe with love.
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No sudden moves.
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- Less general?
- Yes.
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Yes.
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Hey, Questlove. Wanna take five?
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I have to finish "What Your
Sign Says About Your Sex Life."
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Oh, yeah, just about as hard-hitting
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as my "Star-Crossed Lovers"
tie-in podcast.
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"Ask Alex if who you fall
for is fate or free will."
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Well, we all know it's fate.
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We don't all know it's fate, Sage.
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Really? How do you explain, for example,
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how you met that doctor, Alicia Golden?
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Same place, same time,
mutual attraction,
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but incompatible.
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A pox on your logic.
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- Where is your sense of romance?
- Oh, I like romance.
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Actually, in fact,
that should be my podcast.
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"Why do people want to
believe that who we fall for
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is fate, and not free will?"
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Okay, well, I'm gonna use my
free will to get back to work.
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You know, since we rolled out
the astro content on social,
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traffic is up 12%,
so I think the magic's working.
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Hey, can we use some of the magic
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to predict what my ideal
wedding aesthetic would be?
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Is it "beachy boho,
farmhouse chic, or après-ski"?
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- Mm.
- Ooh, all of the above.
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I know. I like them all too.
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There's, like,
15 more questions just like that.
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Well, maybe you should
consult your stars, you know?
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Your sign can tell you what
kind of wedding you need.
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You are way too into
this whole revamping
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of the astrology section.
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Yeah, and you are way too dismissive.
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You might be the only millennial
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who doesn't believe in birth charts.
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- Well, I believe in birth order.
- Hmm.
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Ryan and I are having
lunch with my brother,
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Evan, today.
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- Hmm.
- I have to be on time
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because as the oldest,
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he is the most Type A Sloan.
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More Type A than you? Not possible.
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Okay, what comes before the letter A?
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Mm...
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Oh.
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- You okay?
- Yeah, I'm groovy.
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She's gonna stay in her lane,
and I'll stay in mine,
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and everything's gonna be fine.
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- _
- Huh.
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You know, you two could be
in the "Star-Crossed Lovers" shoot.
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You know what? I'm hearing it now.
In my head, it was different.
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It was funny and it was light, you know?
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And it was diffusing the awkwardness,
which is...
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Travis was a high school
senior I photographed
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protesting the "no promo homo" laws
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that still govern sex
education in Alabama.
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His sister sent me this yesterday.
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Oh, my gosh. What happened?
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After the protest,
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his parents sent him to
conversion therapy camp.
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And...
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- he killed himself.
- Oh.
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Oh, Adena, I'm so sorry.
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Because I photographed him,
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his sisters asked
if I can get his story out.
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This therapy is still
legal in 32 states.
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And it makes young people
eight times more likely
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to attempt suicide.
I think if more people knew about this,
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maybe we can prevent it from
happening in the future.
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And, I mean, "Scarlet"
reaches 6 million people, right?
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It does.
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I am going to run this in our
"Week in Photos" spread.
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Thank you, Jacqueline.
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- Evan has two adorable daughters.
- Yeah.
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I can't believe that Julie is now
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a minivan-driving soccer mom.
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Yeah, I know.
She beings apple slices to the sideline,
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cheers louder than anyone else.
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Actually, it's more of a scream.
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Julie's his wife. She's awesome.
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- Right.
- High school sweethearts.
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Oh, and Ryan just had his
first novel published.
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I saw a review. Yeah.
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"Bawdy sex romp through
Manhattan's underbelly."
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That's the one.
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Yeah, writing is weird.
I mean, Jane knows.
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We just sort of pour our hearts out
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and hope somebody connects.
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Well, I love Jane's writing.
I read it all the time.
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- You do?
- Of course I do.
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You know she's nominated for Forbes'
"30 Under 30 Writers to Watch."
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Oh, well, that's probably not happening.
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- I blew the interview.
- I doubt that.
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I didn't think you read my stuff.
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Oh, yeah. "Carry the Weight."
"Pamela Dolan."
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It's great, Jane.
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And your piece on whether
or not you're a bad feminist
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for taking back your cheating boyfriend.
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That was you, right, Ryan?
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- Evan...
- So I guess you took him back.
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Does that make you a bad feminist?
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Does that make you a bad feminist?
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- No, it doesn't.
- Okay.
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Should we get coffee?
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I actually have a meeting
I need to get to,
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so I should be going.
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Bye. See you soon.
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What?
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Ryan. Wait.
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- I'm sorry.
- Kind of a dick move, right?
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Yes, and I told him that,
and he apologized.
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But you have to understand,
he's protective.
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He's my brother and he loves me...
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No. Well, he doesn't love me.
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Hey.
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But I do.
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And I know he will once
he gets to know you.
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Is it crucial that he does?
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He's my family.
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And if we're gonna be together, then...
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Look, when my mom passed away,
Evan was there for me.
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He was my rock, and he still is.
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And it would really mean the world to me
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if two of the most important
men in my life got along.
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00:11:27,397 --> 00:11:30,339
- Please?
- Okay.
255
00:11:30,416 --> 00:11:32,878
If you want me to try again, I will.
256
00:11:32,902 --> 00:11:34,213
Thank you.
257
00:11:37,998 --> 00:11:39,832
Okay, go.
258
00:11:39,909 --> 00:11:41,574
- Bye.
- Bye.
259
00:11:43,913 --> 00:11:45,521
Yeah, Oliver. I searched high and low
260
00:11:45,598 --> 00:11:47,707
and found some great Romeo pants.
261
00:11:47,783 --> 00:11:49,299
And the dress from "West Side Story"
262
00:11:49,377 --> 00:11:51,771
for Maria is on its way.
263
00:11:51,806 --> 00:11:53,029
Yeah.
264
00:11:53,106 --> 00:11:54,328
Hey, how's the conference going?
265
00:11:54,363 --> 00:11:57,683
Oliver? Hello?
266
00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,249
A simple good-bye would've been nice.
267
00:12:01,431 --> 00:12:03,257
- You got a sec?
- No, but come on in.
268
00:12:04,767 --> 00:12:08,193
Do you think destiny brought
you and Richard together?
269
00:12:08,271 --> 00:12:09,361
Oh, well, I was stealing sandwiches,
270
00:12:09,439 --> 00:12:11,530
so I'm gonna go with yeah.
271
00:12:11,608 --> 00:12:14,253
But you worked together.
You saw him around.
272
00:12:14,277 --> 00:12:15,718
Don't you think you
made an active choice?
273
00:12:15,795 --> 00:12:16,886
Well, we didn't work together.
274
00:12:16,963 --> 00:12:18,295
He was upstairs, I was down here.
275
00:12:18,372 --> 00:12:20,759
And then I ran into
him at some random bar
276
00:12:20,783 --> 00:12:23,801
and ditched my Tinder date.
So, you know, destiny.
277
00:12:23,878 --> 00:12:25,210
That sounds like free will.
278
00:12:25,288 --> 00:12:26,545
Do you need it to be free will?
279
00:12:26,623 --> 00:12:28,819
I need it to make sense.
280
00:12:28,854 --> 00:12:30,040
Nothing makes sense.
281
00:12:30,075 --> 00:12:34,219
Like how Richard's finally here,
and I'm stuck at work.
282
00:12:34,297 --> 00:12:36,147
That makes zero sense.
283
00:12:38,468 --> 00:12:41,393
Adena, we can't publish those photos.
284
00:12:41,471 --> 00:12:45,284
Legal thinks that it's too risky.
285
00:12:45,308 --> 00:12:49,234
They think that his
parents could sue us.
286
00:12:49,312 --> 00:12:52,421
- And win.
- Okay.
287
00:12:52,498 --> 00:12:55,091
What if we reached out and
had them sign a waiver?
288
00:12:55,168 --> 00:12:57,630
I pushed this all the way up the ladder,
289
00:12:57,654 --> 00:13:01,764
and I got a very hard no.
290
00:13:01,841 --> 00:13:03,340
We can't use Travis' image.
291
00:13:15,505 --> 00:13:17,816
- Kat?
- Oh, excuse me.
292
00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,765
Excuse me. Hello.
293
00:13:19,842 --> 00:13:22,026
- How are you?
- I am well, thank you.
294
00:13:22,102 --> 00:13:25,529
I was just working, so...
295
00:13:25,606 --> 00:13:28,248
I'm gonna go back to the working place.
296
00:13:28,283 --> 00:13:29,793
- Kat.
- Yeah?
297
00:13:31,537 --> 00:13:34,667
- I need your help.
- I'm sorry?
298
00:13:34,691 --> 00:13:36,168
You've worked here a long time,
299
00:13:36,192 --> 00:13:37,875
and I'm having issues
300
00:13:37,952 --> 00:13:40,211
- with legal and the approval process...
- Okay, Adena.
301
00:13:40,287 --> 00:13:43,551
You made it really clear that
you do not wanna be my friend.
302
00:13:43,586 --> 00:13:47,292
So I feel like maybe you should
ask someone else for help.
303
00:13:47,370 --> 00:13:49,712
That might be better. Bye.
304
00:14:01,901 --> 00:14:04,327
Hey, Ryan. Over here.
305
00:14:07,406 --> 00:14:09,907
- Hey.
- Hey.
306
00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,150
You want a beer?
307
00:14:12,228 --> 00:14:15,410
Look, man, I get why you don't like me.
308
00:14:15,445 --> 00:14:19,204
But Jane wants us to get along,
so that's why I'm here.
309
00:14:21,112 --> 00:14:23,087
Well, I've heard
I'm more likable after an IPA,
310
00:14:23,163 --> 00:14:25,330
so maybe you are too.
311
00:14:25,408 --> 00:14:27,695
I mean, we could try that.
312
00:14:29,805 --> 00:14:30,929
Yeah.
313
00:14:32,582 --> 00:14:35,691
So have you guys had sex yet?
314
00:14:35,768 --> 00:14:37,396
Dude, I'm kidding.
315
00:14:53,427 --> 00:14:54,509
You're working late.
316
00:14:54,544 --> 00:14:56,194
Something like that.
317
00:14:56,272 --> 00:14:58,629
- You look nice.
- Oh, thanks.
318
00:14:58,664 --> 00:15:03,961
I'm just going out to dinner
with an old friend, so...
319
00:15:04,038 --> 00:15:06,387
Speaking of which, I hope Adena is okay.
320
00:15:06,422 --> 00:15:08,427
I know how much she wanted
to honor that boy's life
321
00:15:08,451 --> 00:15:10,686
and speak out against
conversion therapy.
322
00:15:10,721 --> 00:15:13,233
And I feel really bad that
I couldn't help her do that.
323
00:15:13,268 --> 00:15:13,729
Right.
324
00:15:13,806 --> 00:15:16,640
I mean, I could tell it was
really important to her.
325
00:15:18,628 --> 00:15:20,780
- Hey, don't work too late.
- I won't.
326
00:15:44,125 --> 00:15:46,003
Adena, hi. It's Kat.
327
00:15:46,933 --> 00:15:50,637
I heard why you asked for
my help earlier, and...
328
00:15:52,252 --> 00:15:54,024
Just call me.
329
00:16:05,641 --> 00:16:07,749
_
330
00:16:08,439 --> 00:16:09,955
In New York, a lot of our ice time
331
00:16:09,979 --> 00:16:11,457
comes in the middle of the night.
332
00:16:11,481 --> 00:16:13,125
Dude, I can't believe
you still play hockey.
333
00:16:13,149 --> 00:16:15,287
- That's impressive.
- Honestly, it's therapy.
334
00:16:15,322 --> 00:16:16,861
The Zambronis keep me sane.
335
00:16:16,896 --> 00:16:19,671
Yeah, well, with my ACL,
you know, I can't play anymore.
336
00:16:19,706 --> 00:16:20,798
Mm.
337
00:16:20,823 --> 00:16:22,080
- But I can watch.
- Yes.
338
00:16:22,158 --> 00:16:24,963
- You a Rangers guy?
- Does Potvin suck?
339
00:16:24,998 --> 00:16:27,252
Dude. A real fan, wow.
340
00:16:27,330 --> 00:16:28,658
All right, we gotta go
down at the Garden
341
00:16:28,693 --> 00:16:29,720
and catch a game sometime.
342
00:16:29,755 --> 00:16:30,884
Yeah.
343
00:16:32,407 --> 00:16:33,759
All right.
344
00:16:34,236 --> 00:16:35,827
We need another round.
345
00:16:41,501 --> 00:16:43,461
- Hey.
- Hey.
346
00:16:45,712 --> 00:16:48,765
Oh, Miles.
347
00:16:48,842 --> 00:16:50,100
My goodness, it's good to see you.
348
00:16:50,177 --> 00:16:51,265
Wow.
349
00:16:54,106 --> 00:16:55,698
- Wow.
- Hi.
350
00:16:55,774 --> 00:16:57,512
It's been 30 years. I can't believe it.
351
00:16:57,547 --> 00:17:00,685
- Yeah.
- You look amazing.
352
00:17:00,763 --> 00:17:02,520
Thank you. Look who's talking.
353
00:17:02,598 --> 00:17:05,042
No, no. Come, sit.
354
00:17:06,435 --> 00:17:08,174
- I hope you're hungry.
- I am.
355
00:17:09,438 --> 00:17:11,213
- You drink wine, right?
- I do.
356
00:17:11,290 --> 00:17:12,353
Yes.
357
00:17:13,459 --> 00:17:16,126
All right.
358
00:17:22,615 --> 00:17:23,634
Hi.
359
00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:25,264
- Mm.
- I'm so sorry that I'm late.
360
00:17:25,327 --> 00:17:28,731
I tried to get out on
time and impress Oliver,
361
00:17:28,807 --> 00:17:31,141
not that he said anything.
362
00:17:31,218 --> 00:17:32,309
It's okay.
363
00:17:32,386 --> 00:17:33,393
- Hi.
- Hi.
364
00:17:36,966 --> 00:17:39,742
Food's cold.
365
00:17:39,818 --> 00:17:42,114
- Did you make that?
- I did.
366
00:17:42,138 --> 00:17:45,581
- Between meetings.
- Oh, now I feel even worse.
367
00:17:45,658 --> 00:17:47,750
Don't.
368
00:17:47,826 --> 00:17:50,252
I am just glad that you're here.
369
00:17:50,329 --> 00:17:52,921
I finished filling out
my wedding questionnaire.
370
00:17:52,998 --> 00:17:55,907
Me too. DJ or band?
371
00:17:55,985 --> 00:17:58,001
- DJ.
- Band.
372
00:17:58,078 --> 00:18:00,170
Interesting, interesting, interesting.
373
00:18:00,247 --> 00:18:01,597
- Buffet or seated?
- Seated?
374
00:18:05,656 --> 00:18:06,976
Oh, work.
375
00:18:08,888 --> 00:18:12,107
- You gotta take that now?
- This'll just take a minute.
376
00:18:12,184 --> 00:18:17,315
_
377
00:18:29,535 --> 00:18:31,201
- Hey.
- Hi.
378
00:18:34,206 --> 00:18:35,297
I'm not gonna lie.
379
00:18:35,374 --> 00:18:37,916
It's really difficult for me to be here.
380
00:18:40,171 --> 00:18:41,800
Yeah, I know. Me too.
381
00:18:43,741 --> 00:18:46,511
But this is bigger than us.
This is about that boy.
382
00:18:46,535 --> 00:18:50,053
- Travis.
- Travis.
383
00:18:50,130 --> 00:18:51,867
And all the other kids like him.
384
00:18:51,902 --> 00:18:53,852
Mm.
385
00:18:53,876 --> 00:18:55,854
You wanna come in?
386
00:19:02,321 --> 00:19:04,863
Okay, so legal won't let Travis
387
00:19:04,887 --> 00:19:07,933
- be the poster child for LGBTQ rights.
- No.
388
00:19:07,988 --> 00:19:10,869
Can't we just counter-sue the parents?
Or use social media?
389
00:19:10,893 --> 00:19:13,485
Oh, I mean, if we do that,
we end up in court anyway.
390
00:19:13,562 --> 00:19:15,504
And if we're there,
then we've already lost.
391
00:19:15,581 --> 00:19:16,683
Mm.
392
00:19:17,066 --> 00:19:19,211
We need to jiu-jitsu this.
393
00:19:19,235 --> 00:19:21,713
Find a way to take the focus away
394
00:19:21,737 --> 00:19:23,345
from being directly on Travis.
395
00:19:23,422 --> 00:19:24,847
Okay. To what?
396
00:19:24,923 --> 00:19:27,850
Hmm...
397
00:19:27,926 --> 00:19:29,916
Do you remember that
exhibit we saw in Peru?
398
00:19:29,951 --> 00:19:32,631
The one with the collage of
all the faceless soldiers?
399
00:19:32,666 --> 00:19:33,355
Mm-hmm.
400
00:19:33,432 --> 00:19:36,600
I mean, you couldn't really
tell who anyone was,
401
00:19:36,676 --> 00:19:38,323
but it still felt deeply personal.
402
00:19:39,722 --> 00:19:42,180
So we just create a
collage honoring Travis
403
00:19:42,258 --> 00:19:44,349
without exposing his identity.
404
00:19:44,426 --> 00:19:45,850
Exactly.
405
00:19:45,928 --> 00:19:47,852
This way we can honor him
406
00:19:47,930 --> 00:19:49,354
while also telling a larger story,
407
00:19:49,431 --> 00:19:52,857
keeping ourselves out of court,
and Safford Legal off our backs.
408
00:19:52,935 --> 00:19:54,376
- Smart.
- Thanks.
409
00:19:58,607 --> 00:20:00,686
Alyssa and I were together for 23 years.
410
00:20:00,696 --> 00:20:02,626
Nothing drastic.
Just I think people grew apart.
411
00:20:02,702 --> 00:20:04,089
- Yeah.
- What about you two?
412
00:20:04,113 --> 00:20:06,123
- What happened?
- Uh...
413
00:20:06,143 --> 00:20:09,299
just schedules, and appointments,
and the boys...
414
00:20:09,376 --> 00:20:10,801
Mm.
415
00:20:10,877 --> 00:20:11,968
Yeah, we took care of our home life,
416
00:20:12,045 --> 00:20:13,932
but not our love life.
417
00:20:13,956 --> 00:20:16,807
- It's not easy, is it?
- No. No, it's not.
418
00:20:16,883 --> 00:20:18,270
Not like when we were in college.
419
00:20:18,294 --> 00:20:21,403
- No kids, no careers.
- Just sex.
420
00:20:22,692 --> 00:20:26,558
- Yeah.
- In the library. In between the stacks.
421
00:20:26,635 --> 00:20:28,613
I was in that library
an awful lot, wasn't I?
422
00:20:28,637 --> 00:20:29,912
Yes, yes, yes. You were.
423
00:20:29,988 --> 00:20:31,013
That's why I had to get very creative.
424
00:20:32,975 --> 00:20:35,233
Well, I miss it.
425
00:20:35,311 --> 00:20:37,650
You know, the passion and the spark.
426
00:20:38,997 --> 00:20:40,792
Being here with you
427
00:20:40,816 --> 00:20:43,258
kind of brings a little
bit of that back.
428
00:20:43,335 --> 00:20:44,927
I feel the same way.
429
00:20:45,003 --> 00:20:47,132
♪ Want it, want it ♪
430
00:20:47,156 --> 00:20:49,840
♪ Never knew what it felt like before ♪
431
00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:51,010
Do you remember...
432
00:20:52,661 --> 00:20:54,806
what we used to do
433
00:20:54,830 --> 00:20:57,755
when we were in restaurants
when we were dating?
434
00:20:57,833 --> 00:20:59,182
How we would talk about what
435
00:20:59,259 --> 00:21:02,277
we would do to each other if
we weren't in a public place?
436
00:21:02,354 --> 00:21:03,982
Of course I do.
437
00:21:04,006 --> 00:21:07,524
♪ Attempt to stage a new love affair ♪
438
00:21:07,601 --> 00:21:09,767
Do you wanna try that right now?
439
00:21:09,845 --> 00:21:12,270
Um...
440
00:21:12,348 --> 00:21:13,455
I don't know.
441
00:21:17,035 --> 00:21:19,831
Maybe.
442
00:21:21,227 --> 00:21:22,266
Well...
443
00:21:23,041 --> 00:21:26,543
♪ I have to keep him
entwined in my arms ♪
444
00:21:26,620 --> 00:21:29,621
I would take my hand,
445
00:21:29,698 --> 00:21:30,739
and move it up your thigh.
446
00:21:32,792 --> 00:21:35,293
So I could pull you closer to me.
447
00:21:36,872 --> 00:21:40,298
♪ God, I hope this is true ♪
448
00:21:42,544 --> 00:21:46,304
My turn. Okay.
449
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,811
Um... Okay.
450
00:21:49,846 --> 00:21:51,326
So...
451
00:21:51,403 --> 00:21:54,199
You would...
452
00:21:54,223 --> 00:21:55,664
Your hand...
453
00:21:59,061 --> 00:22:00,652
Whoo.
454
00:22:00,729 --> 00:22:02,292
Oh, God, we had fun.
455
00:22:04,491 --> 00:22:05,498
You wanna get out of here?
456
00:22:09,254 --> 00:22:13,718
That's a little...
a little quick, don't you think?
457
00:22:13,742 --> 00:22:17,686
I mean, we have known
each other for 30 years.
458
00:22:17,763 --> 00:22:19,557
We have.
459
00:22:19,581 --> 00:22:23,561
But whatever pace you wanna take it at,
460
00:22:23,585 --> 00:22:25,360
I'm good with it.
461
00:22:25,437 --> 00:22:26,528
♪ Ooh ♪
462
00:22:28,090 --> 00:22:30,259
What did I tell you? My brother's cool.
463
00:22:30,294 --> 00:22:32,868
Yeah, babe, you were right.
Evan's a good guy.
464
00:22:32,945 --> 00:22:35,000
Aw, this makes me so happy,
465
00:22:35,035 --> 00:22:37,280
but why are you guys still at the bar?
466
00:22:37,357 --> 00:22:39,616
Oh, well, we downed
about four beers each.
467
00:22:39,693 --> 00:22:42,210
So I left, but then came back
to use the bathroom
468
00:22:42,287 --> 00:22:44,416
before the long subway ride home.
469
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,456
- Smart move.
- I thought so.
470
00:22:46,533 --> 00:22:47,883
And I know Evan loves his fancy IPAs.
471
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,369
I'll bet he paid too.
He has those Midwest manners.
472
00:22:53,449 --> 00:22:56,184
Ryan? You okay?
473
00:22:57,711 --> 00:23:00,044
Yeah, I'm just gonna catch my train.
474
00:23:00,122 --> 00:23:02,064
And I'll see you tomorrow, okay?
475
00:23:02,140 --> 00:23:03,214
- Bye.
- Bye.
476
00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:13,111
- Please don't tell Jane about this.
- Dude, what the hell?
477
00:23:13,135 --> 00:23:15,077
Look, I'm gonna tell her
when the time is right.
478
00:23:15,153 --> 00:23:19,063
Tell her what?
What are you gonna tell her?
479
00:23:19,141 --> 00:23:20,824
I'm separated. Two months.
480
00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:22,233
And Jane doesn't know.
481
00:23:22,311 --> 00:23:25,623
Oh, man. I'm sorry.
482
00:23:25,647 --> 00:23:28,166
Yeah, me too.
My wife, she cheated on me.
483
00:23:28,201 --> 00:23:29,599
And actually,
484
00:23:29,634 --> 00:23:31,242
part of the reason I was
a dick to you earlier is,
485
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,344
the whole cheating thing
486
00:23:32,421 --> 00:23:33,745
is just a little close
to home right now.
487
00:23:33,822 --> 00:23:34,833
I get that.
488
00:23:34,906 --> 00:23:37,915
You know, I've said
it was a horrible mistake.
489
00:23:37,993 --> 00:23:41,011
- I regret it every day.
- Yeah, I know.
490
00:23:41,087 --> 00:23:43,772
But apparently,
Julie's still seeing the guy,
491
00:23:43,849 --> 00:23:46,090
so it wasn't really a mistake for her.
492
00:23:46,168 --> 00:23:49,481
How long do you think you
can keep this from Jane?
493
00:23:49,505 --> 00:23:53,857
- I mean, why not just tell her?
- Jane loves Julie, and us.
494
00:23:53,933 --> 00:23:56,100
And Jane needs a role model.
She always has.
495
00:23:56,178 --> 00:23:58,386
And me and Julie have been that.
496
00:23:58,421 --> 00:24:00,782
So I guess I'm just trying
to protect her image of love.
497
00:24:00,817 --> 00:24:03,603
It just seems like a
rough secret to carry.
498
00:24:03,638 --> 00:24:04,729
I guess.
499
00:24:05,125 --> 00:24:08,872
I mean, haven't you ever kept
a secret to protect someone?
500
00:24:08,948 --> 00:24:10,040
I have.
501
00:24:12,528 --> 00:24:14,952
Well, that's where I'm coming from.
502
00:24:15,030 --> 00:24:18,289
So please just keep it to yourself.
503
00:24:30,395 --> 00:24:36,992
_
504
00:24:41,174 --> 00:24:43,498
_
505
00:24:44,843 --> 00:24:48,334
_
506
00:24:53,878 --> 00:24:56,714
I think real love comes
in unexpected ways.
507
00:24:56,738 --> 00:25:00,498
And when you find your person,
that's meant to be.
508
00:25:00,576 --> 00:25:01,886
But isn't that kind of simplistic?
509
00:25:01,910 --> 00:25:05,503
Ryan is also a writer,
worked in the same building,
510
00:25:05,593 --> 00:25:07,597
same age group,
same attractiveness level...
511
00:25:07,674 --> 00:25:10,728
Oh, no, no.
Jane is way hotter than Ryan.
512
00:25:10,752 --> 00:25:13,177
That's a good one.
513
00:25:13,255 --> 00:25:14,512
- Get out.
- Yeah, that's fair.
514
00:25:14,590 --> 00:25:15,772
I'm just saying
515
00:25:15,849 --> 00:25:17,774
Ryan wasn't looking for
anything when we met.
516
00:25:17,851 --> 00:25:20,382
Something bigger brought us together.
517
00:25:20,417 --> 00:25:22,164
And then he kissed someone else.
518
00:25:23,312 --> 00:25:24,439
Which was a choice.
519
00:25:24,474 --> 00:25:27,745
And then you forgave him,
which was also a choice.
520
00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:30,426
It's a clear case of free will,
if you ask me.
521
00:25:30,461 --> 00:25:34,216
Yeah, well, I didn't,
so good luck with your podcast.
522
00:25:37,963 --> 00:25:43,094
- So that was insensitive.
- I didn't mean it to be.
523
00:25:43,118 --> 00:25:44,467
I'll apologize.
524
00:25:44,544 --> 00:25:46,764
What is going on with you, Alex?
525
00:25:46,788 --> 00:25:48,600
Hey, I'm just doing
research for the podcast.
526
00:25:48,624 --> 00:25:51,436
- What else?
- Something else.
527
00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:54,606
And you better choose to figure it out.
528
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:56,146
Now.
529
00:26:04,990 --> 00:26:06,990
Hi, everyone.
530
00:26:07,066 --> 00:26:08,733
- You made it.
- Barely.
531
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:10,902
I almost didn't. Work's been intense.
532
00:26:10,979 --> 00:26:12,328
There was traffic, and it just...
533
00:26:12,405 --> 00:26:15,460
it took longer than I was expecting.
But thank you for waiting.
534
00:26:15,484 --> 00:26:17,241
I have at least 30 minutes.
535
00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:20,837
Okay then. Your questionnaires.
536
00:26:20,914 --> 00:26:22,672
Oh, I left mine at the office.
537
00:26:22,749 --> 00:26:24,081
- Seriously?
- Yeah, sorry.
538
00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:26,843
You know what?
Let's forget the questionnaires.
539
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,474
Planning a wedding is like
building your dream house,
540
00:26:29,498 --> 00:26:31,773
which means we start
with the foundation.
541
00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:34,594
Date, the venue, number of guests.
542
00:26:36,855 --> 00:26:39,355
Well, the date is...
543
00:26:39,432 --> 00:26:41,357
- Still TBD.
- Agreed.
544
00:26:41,434 --> 00:26:44,360
- Mm-hmm.
- The venue...
545
00:26:44,437 --> 00:26:45,695
Oh, well, I guess that kind of depends
546
00:26:45,772 --> 00:26:47,122
on the number of guests, right?
547
00:26:47,199 --> 00:26:49,273
- So...
- Right.
548
00:26:49,351 --> 00:26:52,610
So let's start there.
What do you say, babe?
549
00:26:52,688 --> 00:26:54,111
Yeah. Was that on the questionnaire?
550
00:26:54,189 --> 00:26:56,447
You know what? Let's try something fun.
551
00:26:56,525 --> 00:26:58,133
I'm gonna count to three,
552
00:26:58,210 --> 00:26:59,709
and you'll both say
your number of guests.
553
00:26:59,786 --> 00:27:03,138
Okay, ready? One, two, three.
554
00:27:03,215 --> 00:27:05,790
- 50.
- 300.
555
00:27:08,628 --> 00:27:10,515
Oh, no.
556
00:27:10,539 --> 00:27:12,684
- What?
- The "Romeo and Juliet" dress
557
00:27:12,708 --> 00:27:14,557
was delivered to the wrong address.
I have to go.
558
00:27:14,634 --> 00:27:16,226
Sutton, I flew across the country.
559
00:27:16,302 --> 00:27:17,393
- 20 more minutes.
- In 20 more minutes,
560
00:27:17,470 --> 00:27:18,690
and we'll have a model
and a photographer
561
00:27:18,714 --> 00:27:20,964
and no dress.
And I can't do that to Oliver.
562
00:27:20,999 --> 00:27:23,479
- But you can do that to us?
- It's not my first choice.
563
00:27:23,514 --> 00:27:25,530
I can give you two a moment.
564
00:27:25,554 --> 00:27:26,828
I moved a lot of meetings to be here.
565
00:27:26,905 --> 00:27:28,496
Yeah, well, you're a boss and you can.
566
00:27:28,573 --> 00:27:30,215
- I'm an assistant.
- I know, and I hate that.
567
00:27:30,250 --> 00:27:34,277
Really? Well, I wish
I could speed it up for you.
568
00:27:34,323 --> 00:27:36,541
That's not what I meant.
And you know it.
569
00:27:36,565 --> 00:27:38,042
I have to go.
570
00:27:38,066 --> 00:27:39,156
Thank you so much for your time.
571
00:27:46,408 --> 00:27:48,358
This guy, Clayton Jackson,
572
00:27:48,373 --> 00:27:51,427
vouched for conversion
therapy when he was a pastor.
573
00:27:51,504 --> 00:27:53,188
And now he's an Alabama State Senator
574
00:27:53,265 --> 00:27:54,559
running for the U.S. Senate.
575
00:27:54,583 --> 00:27:56,766
Oh, my God. That is insane.
576
00:27:56,843 --> 00:27:58,195
Yeah, it is.
577
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:59,374
I just...
578
00:27:59,409 --> 00:28:01,938
I can't imagine how ashamed
Travis must have felt
579
00:28:02,015 --> 00:28:05,275
just for being himself.
580
00:28:05,351 --> 00:28:07,405
I guess I took it for granted, you know?
581
00:28:07,429 --> 00:28:09,240
How easy it was for me to come out?
582
00:28:09,264 --> 00:28:11,873
That's how it should be.
583
00:28:11,950 --> 00:28:15,359
It wasn't like that for you?
584
00:28:15,437 --> 00:28:17,165
No. Not really.
585
00:28:19,274 --> 00:28:20,623
Yeah, we never really talked about it.
586
00:28:26,131 --> 00:28:28,092
I wanted things to be different for you.
587
00:28:28,116 --> 00:28:29,894
I wanted it to be a good experience.
588
00:28:31,803 --> 00:28:35,346
So was it... was it really bad?
589
00:28:41,877 --> 00:28:44,722
My father sent me to conversion therapy.
590
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,058
Oh, God. I'm...
591
00:28:47,135 --> 00:28:51,246
I know what it's like
in those places, and it's...
592
00:28:52,974 --> 00:28:56,251
it's worse than you can imagine.
593
00:28:56,328 --> 00:28:59,070
If my mom hadn't come to get me,
594
00:28:59,147 --> 00:29:02,460
I could've been Travis.
595
00:29:02,484 --> 00:29:05,168
Adena, I'm...
596
00:29:05,244 --> 00:29:06,577
I'm so sorry.
597
00:29:06,655 --> 00:29:10,468
That's why it's important
that we share this story.
598
00:29:10,492 --> 00:29:11,934
And no one should,
599
00:29:12,021 --> 00:29:14,251
should ever be made to
feel the way Travis did.
600
00:29:14,329 --> 00:29:15,753
Or I did.
601
00:29:15,831 --> 00:29:17,475
Conversion therapy, it's...
602
00:29:17,499 --> 00:29:20,558
it's torture, and it should be stopped.
603
00:29:23,688 --> 00:29:24,854
We'll get his story out there, Adena.
604
00:29:24,931 --> 00:29:25,955
I promise.
605
00:29:30,711 --> 00:29:32,436
This is amazing.
606
00:29:32,514 --> 00:29:35,123
You really get the essence
of Travis without the...
607
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,699
- The liability, we hope?
- Yes.
608
00:29:36,776 --> 00:29:38,474
So you'll run it by legal again?
609
00:29:38,509 --> 00:29:41,165
I will, and I can't imagine
610
00:29:41,189 --> 00:29:42,408
that they'll have an issue with it.
611
00:29:42,443 --> 00:29:43,781
Great.
612
00:29:43,827 --> 00:29:45,800
You guys were told not
to pursue something,
613
00:29:45,877 --> 00:29:49,507
and you didn't stop.
614
00:29:49,531 --> 00:29:51,806
You trusted your gut.
615
00:29:51,883 --> 00:29:52,924
- Well, thank you.
- Thank you.
616
00:30:05,334 --> 00:30:08,033
_
617
00:30:13,221 --> 00:30:16,664
Why do people want to
believe that who we fall for
618
00:30:16,741 --> 00:30:18,665
is fate, and not free will?
619
00:30:22,179 --> 00:30:26,157
You know, recently
I dated an incredible woman
620
00:30:26,234 --> 00:30:29,493
who was smarter,
more successful than I am.
621
00:30:29,571 --> 00:30:32,329
And I felt like she
was out of my league,
622
00:30:32,407 --> 00:30:35,052
so I pushed her away.
623
00:30:35,076 --> 00:30:36,834
It's been hard for me to own up to that,
624
00:30:36,912 --> 00:30:40,057
but now I am.
625
00:30:40,081 --> 00:30:41,676
Of my own free will.
626
00:30:41,711 --> 00:30:44,395
And I choose
627
00:30:44,419 --> 00:30:46,027
to never mess up like that again.
628
00:30:49,015 --> 00:30:51,032
This has been "Ask Alex,"
629
00:30:51,109 --> 00:30:53,181
and I'll catch you on the flip side.
630
00:30:55,263 --> 00:30:59,541
So you are a romantic.
631
00:30:59,617 --> 00:31:01,307
Better late than never.
632
00:31:01,342 --> 00:31:06,289
And you were right.
Alicia is amazing, beautiful...
633
00:31:06,365 --> 00:31:09,587
Oh, don't waste that on me. Tell her.
634
00:31:22,457 --> 00:31:25,937
- It was a good day.
- Yeah, it was.
635
00:31:25,961 --> 00:31:27,143
I guess you could say we're even now.
636
00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:28,272
Oh, yeah? How's that?
637
00:31:28,296 --> 00:31:30,274
I helped you come out,
638
00:31:30,298 --> 00:31:31,906
you helped me get around Safford Legal.
639
00:31:31,983 --> 00:31:34,278
Oh, yeah. It's pretty equal, equal.
640
00:31:36,488 --> 00:31:38,282
Are you seeing that guy tonight?
641
00:31:38,306 --> 00:31:40,415
Oh, no.
642
00:31:40,492 --> 00:31:42,492
Well, I'd like to meet him sometime.
643
00:31:42,568 --> 00:31:44,109
I don't know if I really
see it going anywhere.
644
00:31:44,144 --> 00:31:46,904
It's pretty low-key, but I'll let you
know if anything changes.
645
00:31:46,982 --> 00:31:51,240
I just... I want you to
know that I am okay with it.
646
00:31:52,912 --> 00:31:56,634
And I'm really sorry.
647
00:31:56,658 --> 00:31:59,398
I love you for who you are.
648
00:31:59,433 --> 00:32:03,438
And whoever you choose to love,
man or woman, is very lucky.
649
00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:07,591
I love you too.
650
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:09,176
And I don't want to
lose you as a friend.
651
00:32:12,431 --> 00:32:15,783
And yes to being friends.
652
00:32:15,860 --> 00:32:17,023
For life.
653
00:32:32,694 --> 00:32:34,361
Alicia. Hey.
654
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:39,715
Yeah, that's weird.
I was just about to call...
655
00:32:39,792 --> 00:32:43,347
Your taxi driver was playing my podcast.
656
00:32:43,371 --> 00:32:46,329
Yeah. What are the odds?
657
00:32:49,302 --> 00:32:53,488
Yeah, I am ready.
658
00:32:53,565 --> 00:32:56,694
I'd love to see you again.
659
00:32:56,718 --> 00:32:59,977
So I just got off the phone with Evan,
660
00:33:00,055 --> 00:33:02,366
and he confirmed how great it went
between you two last night.
661
00:33:05,076 --> 00:33:08,205
He said that you guys
drank a bunch of beers
662
00:33:08,229 --> 00:33:10,541
and you talked about sports all night.
663
00:33:10,565 --> 00:33:12,209
Pretty much.
664
00:33:12,233 --> 00:33:14,750
It must be really exhausting
to be a straight, white guy.
665
00:33:15,392 --> 00:33:16,659
You have no idea.
666
00:33:18,423 --> 00:33:21,257
So what else did you talk about?
667
00:33:21,334 --> 00:33:24,260
I don't know. Hockey, taxes.
668
00:33:24,337 --> 00:33:26,059
- Mm.
- You.
669
00:33:27,082 --> 00:33:31,175
Hey, thank you so much
for doing that for me.
670
00:33:31,252 --> 00:33:33,990
- Evan really means a lot to me.
- Of course.
671
00:33:38,426 --> 00:33:40,084
- You okay?
- Yeah.
672
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:42,686
I'm just a bit hungover.
673
00:33:42,764 --> 00:33:44,872
Ah, well,
Evan and IPAs will do that to you.
674
00:33:44,949 --> 00:33:46,207
- Yes.
- I'll make you coffee.
675
00:33:46,284 --> 00:33:47,524
Thanks.
676
00:33:58,647 --> 00:33:59,712
Richard?
677
00:34:03,305 --> 00:34:05,801
_
678
00:34:07,888 --> 00:34:09,894
_
679
00:34:21,652 --> 00:34:25,269
_
680
00:34:26,975 --> 00:34:28,491
All that work for nothing.
681
00:34:46,327 --> 00:34:47,751
Yeah. And what would you do?
682
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:50,012
I would...
683
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:53,775
kiss you down your neck
684
00:34:53,851 --> 00:34:55,813
and nibble on your ear.
685
00:34:55,837 --> 00:34:59,096
That sounds nice. And then what?
686
00:34:59,174 --> 00:35:01,265
And I would unbutton your shirt.
687
00:35:15,431 --> 00:35:18,436
- Should we keep talking dirty?
- No.
688
00:35:18,471 --> 00:35:20,978
- Why?
- No, we only do that in public.
689
00:35:21,013 --> 00:35:24,341
- Well, we're in public now.
- Do we have to be?
690
00:35:24,365 --> 00:35:25,843
- What do you mean?
- Uh...
691
00:35:25,867 --> 00:35:27,383
Let's go back to your place.
692
00:35:38,605 --> 00:35:40,765
Oh, Tamara. Good, walk with me.
693
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,491
Oh, sure, but I thought our
meeting wasn't until 9:00.
694
00:35:43,568 --> 00:35:47,328
My staff thought that your
forecasts were spot on.
695
00:35:47,405 --> 00:35:50,034
I, conversely, completely ignored mine.
696
00:35:50,058 --> 00:35:52,742
In fact, I made some sudden moves.
697
00:35:52,818 --> 00:35:55,745
And they were magical.
698
00:35:56,284 --> 00:35:57,505
I'm sure.
699
00:35:57,582 --> 00:35:59,710
As a Leo with Sagittarius Rising,
700
00:35:59,734 --> 00:36:02,713
you are often going to do
the opposite of what you're told.
701
00:36:02,737 --> 00:36:04,587
- Is that so?
- Mm-hmm.
702
00:36:04,629 --> 00:36:06,756
To be a force,
you need to feel like a force.
703
00:36:06,832 --> 00:36:10,888
But you haven't lately,
so you needed a push.
704
00:36:10,912 --> 00:36:13,557
And I was meant to give that to you.
705
00:36:13,581 --> 00:36:15,005
So you gave me the wrong advice.
706
00:36:15,083 --> 00:36:18,896
- For the right results, yeah.
- Hmm.
707
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,195
Well done.
708
00:36:21,272 --> 00:36:25,182
Enjoy your tea,
and then go up to HR on six.
709
00:36:25,260 --> 00:36:26,850
- See you Monday.
- Great.
710
00:36:35,528 --> 00:36:37,787
Richard and I have
hardly seen each other.
711
00:36:37,863 --> 00:36:39,984
I don't even know what
time he came to bed.
712
00:36:40,019 --> 00:36:41,865
I mean, we barely spoke
to each other this morning,
713
00:36:41,943 --> 00:36:43,534
and he flies out again today.
714
00:36:43,611 --> 00:36:45,461
I mean, the whole thing just sucks.
715
00:36:45,538 --> 00:36:48,389
Well, okay. I think you're being
a little hard on yourself.
716
00:36:48,466 --> 00:36:50,761
I mean, you have a job.
You've been working really hard.
717
00:36:50,785 --> 00:36:52,610
Yeah, steaming garments
and putting out fires.
718
00:36:52,691 --> 00:36:55,897
Did you know that Oliver
didn't even use the photos
719
00:36:55,973 --> 00:36:57,899
- from the "Romeo and Juliet" shoot?
- Oh, no.
720
00:36:57,975 --> 00:37:01,903
I killed myself trying
to get that Juliet dress.
721
00:37:01,979 --> 00:37:04,071
I feel like I'm pushing
a boulder up a hill,
722
00:37:04,148 --> 00:37:05,991
and it's not rolling over on top of me,
723
00:37:06,026 --> 00:37:08,225
but I'm not getting any
closer to the top either.
724
00:37:08,303 --> 00:37:10,912
I'm just kind of standing still.
725
00:37:10,988 --> 00:37:12,668
- Wow, that's very descriptive.
- Thank you.
726
00:37:12,703 --> 00:37:14,731
Mm-hmm. Hey.
727
00:37:14,809 --> 00:37:16,453
You guys love each other.
You'll figure it out.
728
00:37:16,477 --> 00:37:17,585
Just don't let him get
on the plane angry.
729
00:37:17,662 --> 00:37:19,403
- Kat?
- Hey.
730
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,999
Hi, Adena. I'm gonna go talk to Richard.
731
00:37:21,034 --> 00:37:22,423
- See you.
- Bye.
732
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:24,425
- Kat, can I show you something?
- Yeah.
733
00:37:24,502 --> 00:37:27,631
"Legal does not approve
the new version of the photo.
734
00:37:27,655 --> 00:37:28,671
"Images that are Safford property
735
00:37:28,747 --> 00:37:30,172
"need to be turned over."
736
00:37:30,249 --> 00:37:31,599
Doesn't really make any sense.
737
00:37:31,676 --> 00:37:34,677
We took out Travis,
which was supposedly the problem.
738
00:37:34,753 --> 00:37:39,014
- So what's the problem now?
- I don't know.
739
00:37:39,091 --> 00:37:42,146
But, hey, we're gonna get
to the bottom of it.
740
00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:43,561
Thank you.
741
00:37:51,346 --> 00:37:53,324
- That's terrible.
- Hey.
742
00:37:53,348 --> 00:37:56,607
- Hey, man.
- Hi.
743
00:37:56,684 --> 00:37:58,793
I thought you had a flight out of JFK.
744
00:37:58,870 --> 00:38:00,944
I do, but I just needed to
talk to Jane before I left.
745
00:38:01,022 --> 00:38:02,233
I'm glad you did.
746
00:38:02,307 --> 00:38:05,042
And hey,
you're gonna be okay without Julie.
747
00:38:05,077 --> 00:38:08,570
Thanks. I just feel stupid
for not telling you earlier.
748
00:38:08,584 --> 00:38:11,288
You don't have to keep anything from me.
749
00:38:11,366 --> 00:38:13,190
I love you no matter what. Okay?
750
00:38:13,268 --> 00:38:14,298
I love you too.
751
00:38:15,203 --> 00:38:17,812
All right, get going.
You don't have that much time.
752
00:38:17,889 --> 00:38:20,314
All right. See you, guys.
753
00:38:20,391 --> 00:38:21,852
Oh, have them take the Belt Parkway.
754
00:38:21,876 --> 00:38:22,941
Got it.
755
00:38:27,782 --> 00:38:31,373
- I'm glad he told you.
- Yeah, me too.
756
00:38:36,224 --> 00:38:37,907
Why didn't you tell me?
757
00:38:37,983 --> 00:38:39,703
Well, it's not really my place, right?
758
00:38:39,727 --> 00:38:43,245
It's Evan's. What's wrong?
759
00:38:43,322 --> 00:38:46,543
It's just...
760
00:38:47,086 --> 00:38:48,984
It was so easy for you to lie to me.
761
00:38:49,019 --> 00:38:53,088
It wasn't easy,
but I was trying to do the right thing.
762
00:38:53,165 --> 00:38:54,317
Yeah, I know. It's fine.
763
00:38:54,352 --> 00:38:56,091
I just...
764
00:38:56,168 --> 00:38:58,001
It just feels a little weird.
That's all.
765
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:00,262
Well, I'm sorry about that.
766
00:39:00,339 --> 00:39:02,857
- I'm gonna have a shower, okay?
- Okay.
767
00:39:13,778 --> 00:39:15,768
- I hate that we argued.
- Me too.
768
00:39:15,803 --> 00:39:17,008
And I hate that you feel like
769
00:39:17,046 --> 00:39:18,418
you're spinning your wheels at work.
770
00:39:18,453 --> 00:39:21,116
- Same.
- What I hate most of all is
771
00:39:21,193 --> 00:39:23,080
that I have to get on
a flight in 90 minutes.
772
00:39:23,104 --> 00:39:25,046
I know. This sucks.
773
00:39:25,681 --> 00:39:28,346
The distance is harder than
I thought it was gonna be.
774
00:39:30,376 --> 00:39:31,552
Going home to your
apartment without you,
775
00:39:31,629 --> 00:39:34,722
it just doesn't feel right.
776
00:39:34,799 --> 00:39:36,873
I get it.
777
00:39:36,951 --> 00:39:39,727
Being in San Francisco, it's beautiful.
778
00:39:39,804 --> 00:39:42,933
But being there without you...
779
00:39:42,957 --> 00:39:44,014
- It's not right.
- Nope.
780
00:39:49,630 --> 00:39:51,906
In a perfect world, we'd ditch New York
781
00:39:51,983 --> 00:39:54,049
and start a new life over there.
782
00:39:56,061 --> 00:39:58,079
But that's not reality.
783
00:39:58,155 --> 00:40:00,284
So for as long as it takes,
784
00:40:00,308 --> 00:40:03,417
as many times as it takes for me
785
00:40:03,494 --> 00:40:05,494
to come back here to see you,
I'll do it because...
786
00:40:05,571 --> 00:40:07,663
You know, I want a perfect world too.
787
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:10,499
- Really?
- Yeah.
788
00:40:10,576 --> 00:40:11,742
I mean, I have never been further
789
00:40:11,819 --> 00:40:13,431
from getting a promotion.
790
00:40:13,467 --> 00:40:17,598
I have Instagram followers that
I can leverage from anywhere.
791
00:40:17,675 --> 00:40:19,470
And I miss you.
792
00:40:19,494 --> 00:40:20,751
Wait. Before I get too excited,
793
00:40:20,828 --> 00:40:22,177
just to be clear,
794
00:40:22,254 --> 00:40:24,772
you're willing to move across
the country to be with me?
795
00:40:24,849 --> 00:40:27,424
I mean, my horoscope
did say that I should
796
00:40:27,524 --> 00:40:30,352
ditch the familiar and
expand my horizons, so...
797
00:40:30,429 --> 00:40:34,256
I have never loved astrology
as much as I do right now.
798
00:40:39,347 --> 00:40:40,621
And babe, I have another big idea.
799
00:40:40,698 --> 00:40:42,373
Ooh. What is it?
800
00:40:42,437 --> 00:40:47,831
It's gonna sound crazy,
but I don't wanna wait anymore.
801
00:40:47,855 --> 00:40:50,814
I want to start our
new life together now.
802
00:40:50,889 --> 00:40:53,467
- How about this weekend?
- That works for me.
803
00:40:54,674 --> 00:40:56,545
Hey, you know what?
804
00:40:56,622 --> 00:40:59,623
If we push those tables aside,
805
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:02,793
I bet you we could make a dance floor.
806
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:05,462
And I think between these columns,
807
00:41:05,540 --> 00:41:06,850
it'd be kind of a perfect wedding aisle.
808
00:41:06,874 --> 00:41:08,846
Wait, do you mean that you wanna...
809
00:41:08,881 --> 00:41:12,189
Marry you in the bar where
I first pushed up on ya?
810
00:41:12,213 --> 00:41:13,637
It just kind of feels like fate, right?
811
00:41:13,714 --> 00:41:16,085
Baby, let's get married.
812
00:41:50,970 --> 00:41:53,461
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