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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,302 --> 00:00:15,036 You know, you go around a cocktail party, 2 00:00:15,070 --> 00:00:17,306 people say what they do. 3 00:00:17,339 --> 00:00:18,840 At first they think I'm joking. 4 00:00:19,808 --> 00:00:22,277 - It's somewhere between a hobby and an addiction. 5 00:00:24,646 --> 00:00:27,982 Sculpting an animal is intriguing, it's fascinating. 6 00:00:28,583 --> 00:00:31,753 - I was blown away by the beauty of the material. 7 00:00:33,122 --> 00:00:36,525 - Taxidermists do what they do, not because they see death. 8 00:00:37,926 --> 00:00:40,195 They do what they do because they see life. 9 00:02:11,853 --> 00:02:14,289 I am definitely a bird addict. 10 00:02:16,157 --> 00:02:22,797 Birds are just so much fun because I don't have to know the pose before I finish the bird. 11 00:02:23,898 --> 00:02:25,734 It's playing, it's discovery. 12 00:02:31,306 --> 00:02:35,076 I just noticed he was doing this funny little thing where his head was tilted. 13 00:02:35,109 --> 00:02:37,912 And I actually kinda really like it. 14 00:02:37,946 --> 00:02:40,449 I was like oh I think he wants to tilt his head. 15 00:02:40,482 --> 00:02:43,318 Um I think he wants to be kinda curious. 16 00:02:44,753 --> 00:02:46,821 This bird is a superb starling. 17 00:02:46,855 --> 00:02:51,560 And I just really like these guys 'cause they're super dynamic, 18 00:02:51,593 --> 00:02:56,831 and I can really do something kinda fun and, and funny with them. 19 00:02:56,865 --> 00:02:59,634 They have these big long legs for this small bird, 20 00:02:59,668 --> 00:03:03,338 and these fun little pantaloons that I want to make sure show. 21 00:03:04,273 --> 00:03:06,174 These are called the tail coverts, 22 00:03:06,207 --> 00:03:08,677 these little white tush feathers. 23 00:03:08,710 --> 00:03:10,645 I call it the tush plush. 24 00:03:10,679 --> 00:03:12,781 I like to make sure that that looks good. 25 00:03:15,350 --> 00:03:18,186 Birds are design. 26 00:03:18,219 --> 00:03:19,921 They are dressed up. 27 00:03:19,954 --> 00:03:22,824 They look certain ways to attract each other. 28 00:03:22,857 --> 00:03:23,825 And that is fashion. 29 00:03:49,651 --> 00:03:52,854 - I get to study nature. 30 00:03:53,288 --> 00:03:57,359 And that is the most satisfying thing in the world. 31 00:04:00,362 --> 00:04:03,365 I'm from Zimbabwe, as well as South Africa. 32 00:04:04,833 --> 00:04:09,203 The art of taxidermy is the combination of being an artist 33 00:04:09,237 --> 00:04:10,238 and being a naturalist. 34 00:04:14,876 --> 00:04:19,213 You've got to understand how to capture that expression. 35 00:04:21,850 --> 00:04:24,285 I started leaning towards doing big cats. 36 00:04:25,687 --> 00:04:26,788 You know, the African lion, 37 00:04:26,821 --> 00:04:29,324 it's always sorta captivated me since I was a child. 38 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,562 You find a special bond with wildlife and animals 39 00:04:33,595 --> 00:04:35,630 because you're viewing them in a different light. 40 00:04:37,198 --> 00:04:38,733 It's an ongoing study. 41 00:04:38,767 --> 00:04:40,535 You, you, you'll never get it right. 42 00:04:42,471 --> 00:04:44,373 It'll never look real. 43 00:04:56,150 --> 00:04:58,052 - We don't want to duplicate nature; 44 00:04:58,086 --> 00:05:00,455 we just want to make something unique. 45 00:05:02,824 --> 00:05:04,859 - All the stuff we work with is all antiques. 46 00:05:06,628 --> 00:05:09,898 - We sort of make objects and taxidermy is a part of it. 47 00:05:10,499 --> 00:05:13,835 It's not our main goal to reproduce an animal. 48 00:05:13,868 --> 00:05:15,670 We just like to make cool stuff. 49 00:05:23,044 --> 00:05:24,713 We have a history in art direction. 50 00:05:25,747 --> 00:05:28,817 And when we start learning the craft of taxidermy, 51 00:05:28,850 --> 00:05:30,785 we that took into it. 52 00:05:32,987 --> 00:05:35,924 Instead of what you see in normal taxidermy 53 00:05:35,957 --> 00:05:37,626 that it's all based on nature, 54 00:05:39,060 --> 00:05:42,964 we work after the 17th century painters, 55 00:05:42,997 --> 00:05:46,134 who sort of portraited these animals in a way 56 00:05:46,167 --> 00:05:49,504 that all the features of those really weird animals show. 57 00:05:54,175 --> 00:05:57,412 - The old masters, when they make statues, 58 00:05:57,446 --> 00:05:59,648 when they portray a guy picking an apple, 59 00:05:59,681 --> 00:06:00,915 he's not just doing this 60 00:06:00,949 --> 00:06:05,420 but he's doing the really fancy pose, showing all his muscles. 61 00:06:14,062 --> 00:06:15,830 - That's more or less what we try to do. 62 00:06:15,864 --> 00:06:17,198 - Showing off, 63 00:06:36,618 --> 00:06:39,153 - I don't really know what it is that makes a person 64 00:06:39,187 --> 00:06:40,889 get interested in taxidermy. 65 00:06:40,922 --> 00:06:42,724 I, I think you're born with it. 66 00:06:44,526 --> 00:06:46,260 I was born in Switzerland. 67 00:06:46,294 --> 00:06:49,397 So I like to think of myself more as a Swiss taxidermist. 68 00:06:51,432 --> 00:06:54,302 I actually started doing taxidermy when I was eight years old. 69 00:06:54,335 --> 00:06:56,738 So I've been doing it for 15 years now. 70 00:06:56,771 --> 00:06:59,007 My parents put up with a lot. 71 00:07:00,509 --> 00:07:03,244 They threatened to make me quit taxidermy several times 72 00:07:03,277 --> 00:07:05,413 cause it was just overwhelming. 73 00:07:07,516 --> 00:07:10,084 I was always just obsessed with leopards 74 00:07:10,118 --> 00:07:12,687 Leopards have been my lifelong addiction. 75 00:07:13,588 --> 00:07:17,992 I pretty much raised cubs, like grew up around leopards, 76 00:07:18,026 --> 00:07:20,161 black leopards, spotted leopards. 77 00:07:20,194 --> 00:07:23,532 Working at the museum, I had my hands on snow leopards, 78 00:07:23,565 --> 00:07:26,400 Persian leopards, and more leopards, clouded leopards. 79 00:07:28,436 --> 00:07:30,739 It's one thing to call yourself a taxidermist when you're a kid, 80 00:07:30,772 --> 00:07:33,041 but when you can say you're working at a museum, 81 00:07:33,074 --> 00:07:35,109 it just changes everything. 82 00:08:02,303 --> 00:08:06,374 - To me, natural history museums have always been where it's at. 83 00:08:06,407 --> 00:08:07,776 They're hallowed ground. 84 00:08:07,809 --> 00:08:11,479 They're beautiful, studious, artistic places. 85 00:08:14,883 --> 00:08:17,085 I had a corporate job in marketing, 86 00:08:17,118 --> 00:08:19,253 working on computers all day long. 87 00:08:19,287 --> 00:08:21,590 But I really wanted to learn taxidermy. 88 00:08:23,892 --> 00:08:26,427 I went to Montana, took my vacation, 89 00:08:26,460 --> 00:08:28,396 went to taxidermy school. 90 00:08:28,429 --> 00:08:29,964 You know, it's just a couple week program, 91 00:08:29,998 --> 00:08:31,032 but I really loved it. 92 00:08:31,065 --> 00:08:34,168 And got back and was like that was awesome. 93 00:08:34,202 --> 00:08:36,537 Now what do I do with any of that? 94 00:08:37,471 --> 00:08:40,709 And so I looked up who was doing taxidermy at the museum. 95 00:08:40,742 --> 00:08:42,577 And I happened upon Tim. 96 00:08:43,778 --> 00:08:47,181 - I work at the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County. 97 00:08:47,215 --> 00:08:50,885 Been here for the last 32 years. I am the staff taxidermist. 98 00:08:51,753 --> 00:08:54,823 - You know, if I could take him and put him in a diorama 99 00:08:54,856 --> 00:08:56,691 to keep for all time, I would. 100 00:08:56,725 --> 00:08:58,459 I feel like he's that special. 101 00:08:59,260 --> 00:09:00,561 - She managed to hunt me down, 102 00:09:00,595 --> 00:09:02,263 figured out how to get ahold of me. 103 00:09:02,631 --> 00:09:05,499 - I just started showing up every day. 104 00:09:05,533 --> 00:09:07,335 I still had my marketing job. 105 00:09:07,368 --> 00:09:11,706 So I would go from 6 am to 9:30 Monday through Friday, 106 00:09:11,740 --> 00:09:13,574 and I would volunteer with Tim. 107 00:09:14,175 --> 00:09:18,446 I remember one day I went to work and I had mountain lion 108 00:09:18,479 --> 00:09:21,049 blood on my work shirt. 109 00:09:21,082 --> 00:09:22,984 So I just told people it was coffee, 110 00:09:23,017 --> 00:09:25,086 but I really wanted to tell people the truth 111 00:09:25,119 --> 00:09:26,287 'cause I was so proud of it. 112 00:09:27,155 --> 00:09:30,291 I kinda knew then that that's what I should be doing. 113 00:09:30,324 --> 00:09:35,596 So I quit my marketing job and I volunteered there full-time. 114 00:09:35,630 --> 00:09:38,499 And I was so much happier. 115 00:09:40,368 --> 00:09:42,837 After Allis had worked for me the second year, 116 00:09:42,871 --> 00:09:45,707 she said, you know, I have sorta this dream. 117 00:09:48,209 --> 00:09:50,645 - I'm the owner of Prey Taxidermy. 118 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,682 We are located in Los Angeles, California. 119 00:09:53,715 --> 00:09:57,318 Certainly not the usual place for a taxidermy studio. 120 00:09:57,351 --> 00:09:59,854 - When she told me she was gonna open her studio 121 00:09:59,888 --> 00:10:02,590 Downtown Los Angeles in the Art District, 122 00:10:02,623 --> 00:10:04,625 I'm like oh really? 123 00:10:04,659 --> 00:10:06,527 Something I couldn't imagine. 124 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:09,063 But once again, Allis could imagine. 125 00:10:09,097 --> 00:10:12,466 And it di-, it's worked. 126 00:10:29,650 --> 00:10:33,021 Madison's worked with me since the Natural History Museum. 127 00:10:33,054 --> 00:10:36,457 You know, we're both apprentices of Tim Bovard. 128 00:10:37,325 --> 00:10:39,293 - Prior to Allis and Madison, 129 00:10:39,327 --> 00:10:42,396 most of my volunteers really didn't have an interest 130 00:10:42,430 --> 00:10:44,699 in working with dead stuff. 131 00:10:51,105 --> 00:10:52,774 - Right now, I am skinning an ermine. 132 00:10:52,807 --> 00:10:57,111 And uh it's fairly delicate work. 133 00:10:57,145 --> 00:11:00,414 I've never actually skinned one of these, but I have 11 to do. 134 00:11:00,448 --> 00:11:03,517 laughs] So I'm sure I'll become very familiar with them. 135 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,490 Skinning is truly my favorite part of this whole process 136 00:11:09,523 --> 00:11:13,094 I love seeing the insides and the anatomy of things. 137 00:11:14,896 --> 00:11:17,732 Me and Allis are definitely museum trained. 138 00:11:17,766 --> 00:11:20,935 We pay more attention to making the final mount 139 00:11:20,969 --> 00:11:24,572 be more true to what the animal was in life. 140 00:11:27,008 --> 00:11:29,243 - Based on the education that Tim gave me, 141 00:11:29,277 --> 00:11:33,314 I mean that was free art school. That was free history. 142 00:11:33,347 --> 00:11:35,416 That was free science. 143 00:11:35,449 --> 00:11:36,985 You know, and he's a zoologist. 144 00:11:37,018 --> 00:11:39,320 And then that's the viewpoint that I got. 145 00:11:40,321 --> 00:11:44,392 - To be the best, to really do really high level work, 146 00:11:44,425 --> 00:11:46,527 you can't be willing to settle. 147 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:48,696 You need to be able to look at something and go 148 00:11:48,729 --> 00:11:51,699 this could be better or how could I do that better? 149 00:11:53,234 --> 00:11:54,435 You do have to be nuts, 150 00:11:54,468 --> 00:11:56,204 and not just because you're playing with dead things. 151 00:11:56,237 --> 00:12:01,175 You have to be a special kind of obsessive compulsive 152 00:12:01,209 --> 00:12:04,645 uh mixed with an artist sensibility. 153 00:12:04,678 --> 00:12:07,949 That's where you get that idea of the, the tortured artist, 154 00:12:07,982 --> 00:12:08,749 you know? 155 00:12:08,783 --> 00:12:09,918 Maybe you do end up like Van Gogh 156 00:12:09,951 --> 00:12:11,719 and cut off your ear or whatever. 157 00:12:11,752 --> 00:12:14,388 But to be fair, a taxidermist, if we cut off our ear, 158 00:12:14,422 --> 00:12:15,924 at least we'd make something out of it. 159 00:12:29,337 --> 00:12:32,073 - We were fed up with advertising because in the end, 160 00:12:32,106 --> 00:12:34,108 you're not the boss over your own work. 161 00:12:35,109 --> 00:12:37,011 In the end, somebody who pays will say 162 00:12:37,045 --> 00:12:39,881 no I want to change this and I want you to do that. 163 00:12:41,515 --> 00:12:43,017 So when we started this, 164 00:12:43,051 --> 00:12:47,121 it was the first thing we sort of agreed on. 165 00:12:47,155 --> 00:12:49,690 We're gonna do exactly what we think is good, 166 00:12:49,723 --> 00:12:51,993 and we're gonna take as much time as it needs, 167 00:12:52,026 --> 00:12:54,128 as much money as it needs. 168 00:12:54,162 --> 00:12:56,097 Then we come up with a price, 169 00:12:56,130 --> 00:13:00,134 and then we will see if somebody wants to pay for it. 170 00:13:00,869 --> 00:13:02,703 So it was a big gamble. 171 00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:12,080 - Our work works best in a great environment. 172 00:13:12,981 --> 00:13:14,415 So when the museum called, 173 00:13:14,448 --> 00:13:17,085 we were thrilled because it was just the right place. 174 00:13:19,888 --> 00:13:21,923 The exhibit is called Tier, 175 00:13:21,956 --> 00:13:24,792 which is the German word for animal 176 00:13:24,825 --> 00:13:28,196 The whole exhibition is in this beautiful house. 177 00:13:28,229 --> 00:13:30,932 We photographed all the rooms in the house 178 00:13:30,965 --> 00:13:33,567 and see what'll work for each room. 179 00:13:35,769 --> 00:13:39,307 One of the themes of when they build houses like this was to 180 00:13:39,340 --> 00:13:42,776 incorporate nature into the house. 181 00:13:46,114 --> 00:13:48,616 - They loved flowers, they loved animals. 182 00:13:48,649 --> 00:13:51,052 It was a big thing in that time. 183 00:13:53,254 --> 00:13:55,056 You think they need a dramatic pose 184 00:13:55,089 --> 00:13:59,593 to show that they are talking to each other. So you have to... 185 00:14:00,594 --> 00:14:01,229 - Yes. 186 00:14:01,262 --> 00:14:02,363 - The lines like this, 187 00:14:02,396 --> 00:14:04,899 he's looking at him and he's looking there. 188 00:14:04,933 --> 00:14:06,867 - It's all about expressions, this one. 189 00:14:17,611 --> 00:14:19,347 This is like sort of catwalk, 190 00:14:19,380 --> 00:14:22,383 parading in their poses and the colors, 191 00:14:22,416 --> 00:14:25,453 being as fancy as possible. 192 00:14:25,486 --> 00:14:29,290 What painters use to make stories in paint, 193 00:14:29,323 --> 00:14:32,693 we use the taxidermy for. 194 00:14:32,726 --> 00:14:35,863 And it's like what you normally see with taxidermists, 195 00:14:35,896 --> 00:14:37,966 making a little story out of nature, 196 00:14:37,999 --> 00:14:40,334 but more like a fairytale. 197 00:14:41,369 --> 00:14:46,540 We put an extra large jaw in a lower jaw just to emphasize 198 00:14:46,574 --> 00:14:47,976 the greed he has on the eye. 199 00:14:48,009 --> 00:14:50,178 He caught one. That's not enough. 200 00:14:51,179 --> 00:14:53,781 He's totally focused on the one who got away. 201 00:14:55,016 --> 00:14:59,687 When we made his mouth bigger, you feel more that he wants it. 202 00:15:00,154 --> 00:15:02,456 A traditional taxidermist would never do that. 203 00:15:02,490 --> 00:15:04,458 Yeah he would measure it and he would say 204 00:15:04,492 --> 00:15:05,826 this can't be anything else. 205 00:15:07,595 --> 00:15:09,230 But for us, it helps for the story. 206 00:15:34,355 --> 00:15:36,757 - Growing up in Ohio, being homeschooled 207 00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:39,793 let me have a lot of free time off. 208 00:15:39,827 --> 00:15:41,662 So I did a lot of hunting and trapping 209 00:15:41,695 --> 00:15:43,964 and photographing nature in the woods. 210 00:15:46,734 --> 00:15:50,638 Neither of my parents hunted or really even had any pets 211 00:15:50,671 --> 00:15:53,741 I mean just not really animal lovers. 212 00:15:53,774 --> 00:15:56,177 So I was really the black sheep in the family. 213 00:15:57,778 --> 00:16:00,148 My first passion was always live animals. 214 00:16:00,181 --> 00:16:03,617 My mom tells this story where I was like five years old 215 00:16:03,651 --> 00:16:05,619 and she took me to the Cleveland Museum. 216 00:16:05,653 --> 00:16:09,690 And she said I started crying and wanted to go to the zoo 217 00:16:09,723 --> 00:16:12,593 because everything there was dead. 218 00:16:12,626 --> 00:16:14,862 And now I go to the zoo and I'm like I, 219 00:16:14,895 --> 00:16:17,531 I might get my hands on you when you die. 220 00:16:20,734 --> 00:16:23,171 This'll be the fourth black leopard I've worked on 221 00:16:23,204 --> 00:16:25,306 and it's by far the best one. 222 00:16:26,807 --> 00:16:28,008 Isn't that beautiful? 223 00:16:29,410 --> 00:16:32,480 Most people never even heard of a black leopard before. 224 00:16:33,081 --> 00:16:35,649 That's kinda what the whole point of this right now is, 225 00:16:35,683 --> 00:16:38,252 to preserve it and have it end up in a museum, 226 00:16:38,286 --> 00:16:41,555 so that people can enjoy it and see it, and learn from it. 227 00:16:45,993 --> 00:16:49,163 My grandpa had a private zoo here in Ohio. 228 00:16:49,197 --> 00:16:51,165 He rescued a bunch of animals. 229 00:16:51,199 --> 00:16:55,069 And he had this one for like 17 years. 230 00:16:58,072 --> 00:17:00,574 It's really neat having leopards when you're a kid growing up, 231 00:17:00,608 --> 00:17:02,543 on your grandpa's zoo, and you can just watch 'em. 232 00:17:04,212 --> 00:17:06,647 There's these little flaps on either side of the claw 233 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,682 that need to be opened up. 234 00:17:08,716 --> 00:17:11,685 That's what gives it that really awesome look. 235 00:17:12,553 --> 00:17:15,223 I think this is when my parents started to get a little worried. 236 00:17:15,256 --> 00:17:18,292 I'd get on my bike and I would ride around town 237 00:17:18,326 --> 00:17:21,162 and look for roadkill. 238 00:17:21,195 --> 00:17:25,065 And I still have a vivid me-, I'm like six, seven years old, 239 00:17:25,099 --> 00:17:28,536 and I remember being kind of embarrassed about it. 240 00:17:28,569 --> 00:17:31,539 So I'd make sure, like I would wait sometimes half an hour. 241 00:17:31,572 --> 00:17:33,774 Like I'd just ride back and forth down the street 242 00:17:33,807 --> 00:17:35,008 'til there were no cars around. 243 00:17:35,042 --> 00:17:36,844 Like I didn't want any witnesses. 244 00:17:36,877 --> 00:17:38,779 And as soon as there was a break in traffic, 245 00:17:38,812 --> 00:17:41,482 I'd like jump off my bike, like put some gloves on, 246 00:17:41,515 --> 00:17:42,916 throw this thing in a bag, 247 00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:46,120 and then ride to the woods somewhere, bury it, 248 00:17:46,154 --> 00:17:48,722 and just like put a rock there, and come back, 249 00:17:48,756 --> 00:17:49,857 you know, 250 00:17:49,890 --> 00:17:52,226 couple months later and dig it up, clean all the bones. 251 00:17:53,894 --> 00:17:56,397 When I made the transition into taxidermy, 252 00:17:56,430 --> 00:17:59,333 I was like eight and a half, going on nine. 253 00:17:59,367 --> 00:18:00,834 and that's when I took everything home 254 00:18:00,868 --> 00:18:02,603 and started doing it in the basement. 255 00:18:04,238 --> 00:18:06,407 I saw one of my mom's friends pulling her aside 256 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,342 and like whispering in her ear like 257 00:18:08,376 --> 00:18:11,979 this kid needs like professional help. 258 00:18:13,847 --> 00:18:16,184 When I was 14, I got involved with 259 00:18:16,217 --> 00:18:18,586 the Cleveland Museum of Natural History. 260 00:18:18,619 --> 00:18:22,623 And that really like opened up a floodgate of doors. 261 00:18:24,658 --> 00:18:25,626 Shortly after that, 262 00:18:25,659 --> 00:18:27,861 I started traveling around the country, 263 00:18:27,895 --> 00:18:29,630 working with different taxidermists. 264 00:18:29,663 --> 00:18:32,800 Traveled and worked in 37 different shops 265 00:18:32,833 --> 00:18:34,602 now in five countries. 266 00:18:34,635 --> 00:18:36,737 So I just had this amazing opportunity to work 267 00:18:36,770 --> 00:18:39,039 with so many different talented artists, 268 00:18:39,072 --> 00:18:41,041 and really learn a lot. 269 00:18:44,678 --> 00:18:46,747 To do really good taxidermy from start to finish, 270 00:18:46,780 --> 00:18:48,849 I mean you have to know everything 271 00:18:48,882 --> 00:18:52,786 from like a scientific collecting viewpoint. 272 00:18:52,820 --> 00:18:54,755 You have to start with a real living animal. 273 00:18:54,788 --> 00:18:56,790 That's the first thing about taxidermy. 274 00:18:56,824 --> 00:18:58,158 And once it dies, 275 00:18:58,192 --> 00:19:00,561 you have a pretty short window of opportunity 276 00:19:00,594 --> 00:19:03,197 to do good quality taxidermy on it. 277 00:19:04,265 --> 00:19:06,900 The actual physical act of taking the animal apart, 278 00:19:06,934 --> 00:19:10,438 skinning and preserving and fleshing and salting and tanning. 279 00:19:10,471 --> 00:19:13,274 That's where they actually chemically alter 280 00:19:13,307 --> 00:19:15,576 skin into actual leather, like this. 281 00:19:15,609 --> 00:19:20,381 This is 100% leather with fur on it. 282 00:19:21,382 --> 00:19:25,619 And then once it's tanned, you gotta have a form to put it on. 283 00:19:25,653 --> 00:19:29,923 The form is like a taxidermy mannequin of the animal. 284 00:19:30,791 --> 00:19:33,961 This here is a form for this leopard head. 285 00:19:33,994 --> 00:19:37,130 And I sculpted it starting with a real leopard skull. 286 00:19:38,198 --> 00:19:42,202 Then you basically glue, pin, adjust, 287 00:19:42,236 --> 00:19:45,839 taxi the skin over the sculpture. 288 00:19:47,074 --> 00:19:49,910 It's an awesome feeling to walk out into nature 289 00:19:49,943 --> 00:19:52,646 and see an animal and it tips over dead, 290 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,816 and you can take it from that very moment 291 00:19:55,849 --> 00:19:58,286 'til it's on display in a museum. 292 00:19:58,319 --> 00:20:00,688 And you do every single thing, 293 00:20:00,721 --> 00:20:02,323 even making the eyeballs, 294 00:20:02,356 --> 00:20:04,091 casting your own teeth. 295 00:20:04,124 --> 00:20:06,460 It's definitely art. 296 00:20:22,175 --> 00:20:25,979 - The art of taxidermy, to me, it's not so much having animals 297 00:20:26,013 --> 00:20:28,282 in these weird and fantastic poses 298 00:20:28,316 --> 00:20:30,518 and moving and jumping and leaping. 299 00:20:30,551 --> 00:20:32,185 And that's different. That's creative. 300 00:20:32,219 --> 00:20:33,587 That's telling a story. 301 00:20:33,621 --> 00:20:35,989 But the art of taxidermy is to do all 302 00:20:36,023 --> 00:20:38,091 of that but highly accurately. 303 00:20:41,862 --> 00:20:44,465 What we're starting to see in today's day and age 304 00:20:44,498 --> 00:20:47,401 is a lot more artistic work being created. 305 00:20:47,435 --> 00:20:52,039 And that hasn't quite reached the shores of Africa yet. 306 00:20:54,808 --> 00:20:56,910 I'm here in the States for a few months, 307 00:20:56,944 --> 00:20:59,380 traveling around and visiting museums, 308 00:20:59,413 --> 00:21:02,683 working on special projects with colleagues and friends of mine. 309 00:21:03,283 --> 00:21:04,952 It's inspiring to meet these people. 310 00:21:07,388 --> 00:21:08,489 They're so knowledgeable 311 00:21:08,522 --> 00:21:10,858 about all these different parts of the industry. 312 00:21:10,891 --> 00:21:13,026 It's humbling just to sit and watch. 313 00:21:17,297 --> 00:21:18,866 In South Africa, 314 00:21:18,899 --> 00:21:21,101 we didn't really have specialized products that come from the States. 315 00:21:23,371 --> 00:21:26,273 So you just sort of compromise by figuring out 316 00:21:26,306 --> 00:21:28,909 alternative ways of doing it using product that you can 317 00:21:28,942 --> 00:21:30,478 pick up at a hardware store. 318 00:21:32,413 --> 00:21:35,048 A lot of what I've learned is sort of self-taught. 319 00:21:36,817 --> 00:21:40,721 I walked out of high school and I stepped straight into a job. 320 00:21:40,754 --> 00:21:43,657 I started just at the bottom. 321 00:21:45,693 --> 00:21:49,062 By just observation, you learn how to do the basics. 322 00:21:49,096 --> 00:21:51,331 A lot of it came from instruction from magazines 323 00:21:51,365 --> 00:21:52,199 and things like that. 324 00:21:53,501 --> 00:21:55,068 And I was wondering why our work 325 00:21:55,102 --> 00:21:57,638 never looked as good as in the catalogues. 326 00:21:57,671 --> 00:22:00,641 And it hit me that the forms that they're using 327 00:22:00,674 --> 00:22:03,777 have all this detail sculpted into them, and ours didn't. 328 00:22:06,046 --> 00:22:08,649 I picked up some clay and took a skull 329 00:22:08,682 --> 00:22:11,218 and started putting back the muscles onto the face 330 00:22:11,251 --> 00:22:12,520 and onto the head. 331 00:22:14,221 --> 00:22:16,490 It was just very trial and error-based. 332 00:22:25,365 --> 00:22:27,401 Thinking back, you know, South Africa, 333 00:22:27,435 --> 00:22:29,470 I always wondered what is it gonna be like, you know, 334 00:22:29,503 --> 00:22:30,971 when you get to see these halls 335 00:22:31,004 --> 00:22:32,940 with these great animals everywhere. 336 00:22:32,973 --> 00:22:34,475 And uh it's magical. 337 00:22:35,743 --> 00:22:36,877 Some of those dioramas, 338 00:22:36,910 --> 00:22:38,646 the actual scenery that they're portraying 339 00:22:38,679 --> 00:22:40,347 has been developed or destroyed. 340 00:22:40,380 --> 00:22:42,416 So they're almost like little time capsules. 341 00:22:43,551 --> 00:22:46,353 - Vanderbilt had the ultimate cabinet of curiosity. 342 00:22:46,386 --> 00:22:50,524 This grand mansion is filled 343 00:22:50,558 --> 00:22:54,528 with just these incredible pieces of taxidermy, dioramas. 344 00:22:54,562 --> 00:22:57,465 You cannot replace taxidermy 345 00:22:57,498 --> 00:23:01,535 as a tool for learning about nature and natural history. 346 00:23:02,770 --> 00:23:04,304 One of the greatest things we like to see 347 00:23:04,337 --> 00:23:06,740 is when kids walk up to the glass on the dioramas, 348 00:23:06,774 --> 00:23:09,943 you know, wow, do, are they, are they really this big? 349 00:23:09,977 --> 00:23:11,879 You know, do they really look like that? 350 00:23:11,912 --> 00:23:13,380 Is the hair really that texture? 351 00:23:13,413 --> 00:23:15,415 You can't get that from anything else. 352 00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:17,651 Taxidermy is an art form. 353 00:23:17,685 --> 00:23:20,420 So you're going to see this really broad 354 00:23:20,454 --> 00:23:23,591 variety of taxidermy quality. 355 00:23:23,624 --> 00:23:28,195 In natural history museums, I think it must be scientifically accurate. 356 00:23:28,228 --> 00:23:31,699 In my opinion, you must still be a field naturalist. 357 00:23:31,732 --> 00:23:35,435 You're really recreating these animals i-, in a scientific way. 358 00:23:43,210 --> 00:23:46,146 Taxidermy is a wonderful tool for 359 00:23:46,179 --> 00:23:49,983 archiving a species that no longer exists. 360 00:23:51,351 --> 00:23:54,855 Lonesome George was the last Pinta Island tortoise. 361 00:23:54,888 --> 00:23:58,526 He was uh living in captivity for 40 years 362 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:01,495 on the Darwin Research Center on Galapagos. 363 00:24:02,329 --> 00:24:04,798 They did everything they could to try to get him to reproduce 364 00:24:04,832 --> 00:24:06,333 and it just never happened. 365 00:24:06,366 --> 00:24:08,736 He unfortunately died. 366 00:24:08,769 --> 00:24:12,272 And w-, they decided quickly at that time 367 00:24:12,305 --> 00:24:15,308 that they wanted to preserve George. 368 00:24:16,409 --> 00:24:19,279 It was absolutely a, a dream come true experience. 369 00:24:19,312 --> 00:24:22,382 To work with these people just opened my eyes 370 00:24:22,415 --> 00:24:26,119 to the effort that goes into protecting a species. 371 00:24:26,153 --> 00:24:29,857 I mean we dealt with people that were studying him for 40 years. 372 00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:31,792 You know, they would talk to you, 373 00:24:31,825 --> 00:24:35,195 and they would say things like well, well George would, 374 00:24:35,228 --> 00:24:39,066 would do this on certain days, or he held his head this way. 375 00:24:39,099 --> 00:24:42,536 Or when he was happy to see you, he acted like this. 376 00:24:42,570 --> 00:24:44,605 When he didn't want to be disturbed. 377 00:24:44,638 --> 00:24:47,975 You're dealing with, with um a personality. 378 00:24:49,109 --> 00:24:52,279 This needed to be more than a taxidermy piece. 379 00:24:52,312 --> 00:24:57,384 This was rebuilding a subject that everyone knew intimately. 380 00:24:57,417 --> 00:25:00,120 They knew every wrinkle on George. 381 00:25:01,121 --> 00:25:02,890 I said to myself 382 00:25:02,923 --> 00:25:05,793 if I screw this up, this'll be the last piece I ever do. 383 00:25:08,128 --> 00:25:10,564 To see the people from Galapagos 384 00:25:10,598 --> 00:25:12,532 come to New York when he was on exhibit 385 00:25:12,566 --> 00:25:16,236 and see him for the first time with tears in their eyes 386 00:25:16,269 --> 00:25:19,339 was just the most emotional thing for me. 387 00:25:19,372 --> 00:25:23,176 And I got a little gift from George's keeper. 388 00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:26,747 He carved this little tortoise out of local wood 389 00:25:26,780 --> 00:25:28,515 and sent it up here to give to me 390 00:25:28,548 --> 00:25:31,785 And I held it that night, and I'm like this is like my Oscar. 391 00:25:31,819 --> 00:25:33,821 This is as good as it gets. 392 00:25:35,055 --> 00:25:37,024 We get so involved in these pieces. 393 00:25:37,057 --> 00:25:41,294 It's this pouring out of everything, every fiber of your being. 394 00:25:41,328 --> 00:25:45,298 You're feeling the highs, the lows, the anxiety, 395 00:25:45,332 --> 00:25:48,468 every emotion you could possibly go through as an artist 396 00:25:48,501 --> 00:25:50,503 being poured into this piece, 397 00:25:50,537 --> 00:25:54,074 and hopefully this euphoric moment at the end. 398 00:25:55,342 --> 00:25:58,846 In this studio that you sit in, I've spilled my blood, 399 00:25:58,879 --> 00:26:00,981 my sweat, and my tears, literally. 400 00:26:01,014 --> 00:26:04,217 And, and that's okay. And, and I'm, I'm good with that. 401 00:26:04,251 --> 00:26:06,787 Because every time I get to that point where I think 402 00:26:06,820 --> 00:26:10,090 I've been completely broken, I think of Akeley. 403 00:26:10,123 --> 00:26:12,459 I think of Akeley, what he's gone through, what he's done. 404 00:26:12,492 --> 00:26:14,728 And then you just pick yourself up and you just keep going. 405 00:26:17,097 --> 00:26:21,068 Carl Akeley. He's the father of modern taxidermy. 406 00:26:21,501 --> 00:26:25,172 - I think I first found out about Carl Akeley 407 00:26:25,205 --> 00:26:26,473 when I was doing research. 408 00:26:26,506 --> 00:26:29,242 Some article or book I was reading, it mentioned this, 409 00:26:29,276 --> 00:26:31,779 the famous taxidermist, Carl Akeley, 410 00:26:31,812 --> 00:26:34,347 who had once strangled a leopard with his bare hands. 411 00:26:34,381 --> 00:26:37,417 And so I made a little note to look into that later. 412 00:26:37,450 --> 00:26:40,020 I realized that there was more than enough 413 00:26:40,053 --> 00:26:41,655 for a whole book on him. 414 00:26:42,455 --> 00:26:44,257 I mean the thing that intrigued me the most was 415 00:26:44,291 --> 00:26:46,426 like oh this is a great story about an artist, 416 00:26:46,459 --> 00:26:49,296 just going to that much trouble being that obsessed. 417 00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:52,265 - Carl Akeley was the man who said 418 00:26:52,299 --> 00:26:55,402 we need to really elevate this art form 419 00:26:55,435 --> 00:26:59,807 from creating these animals with mediocre anatomy 420 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,909 into these great sculptures. 421 00:27:09,016 --> 00:27:10,617 The American Museum of Natural History, 422 00:27:10,650 --> 00:27:12,686 where he has the Hall of African Mammals, 423 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,124 you know, he created a monumental piece of art. 424 00:27:17,157 --> 00:27:18,458 It would take three or four years 425 00:27:18,491 --> 00:27:20,327 to work on one elephant at a time. 426 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:24,131 - To read about Akeley from the time I was a child, 427 00:27:24,164 --> 00:27:26,133 that work in the American Museum of Natural History 428 00:27:26,166 --> 00:27:27,467 was always my inspiration. 429 00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:30,938 He was basically the first one to really create 430 00:27:30,971 --> 00:27:33,941 this clay sculpted form of the anatomy of the animal, 431 00:27:33,974 --> 00:27:37,477 and use that as the mannequin for the piece. 432 00:27:38,411 --> 00:27:40,647 - I think my first impression of Akeley was as, 433 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,152 it was like a Tim Burton kind of character, you know, like morbid and dark. 434 00:27:45,185 --> 00:27:48,889 Johnny Depp would be like the perfect Akeley, just kind of zany. 435 00:27:48,922 --> 00:27:53,160 I loved the preposterous amount of work 436 00:27:53,193 --> 00:27:56,596 that he had to go to to make his work. 437 00:27:56,629 --> 00:28:00,333 - You know, you're literally traveling to Africa in 1900, 438 00:28:00,367 --> 00:28:01,568 which is like a ship ride. 439 00:28:01,601 --> 00:28:03,303 And then once he would be there, 440 00:28:03,336 --> 00:28:07,240 he would have a small army of painters and sculptors 441 00:28:07,274 --> 00:28:10,410 and then like 150 native African porters 442 00:28:10,443 --> 00:28:12,645 carrying tons of their equipment with them, 443 00:28:12,679 --> 00:28:14,181 just so he could do his art. 444 00:28:15,849 --> 00:28:18,018 Any animal he would kill, 445 00:28:18,051 --> 00:28:20,353 he was trying to work like a scientist and an artist, 446 00:28:20,387 --> 00:28:22,155 and he was incredibly meticulous 447 00:28:22,189 --> 00:28:24,657 about all the measurements and sketching. 448 00:28:24,691 --> 00:28:27,995 And then he would make these little clay maquettes. 449 00:28:30,063 --> 00:28:31,999 Prior to Akeley, 450 00:28:32,032 --> 00:28:36,469 a diorama might just be the animal inside the box. 451 00:28:36,503 --> 00:28:40,073 He had the finest landscape painters 452 00:28:40,107 --> 00:28:42,910 that were alive at the time to paint the backgrounds. 453 00:28:42,943 --> 00:28:46,914 And those painters themselves would go on these infinite expeditions, 454 00:28:46,947 --> 00:28:52,485 recreating the plants and getting the exact species of flora. 455 00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:58,758 During that period, 456 00:28:58,792 --> 00:29:01,761 part of the big shift in conservation has to do with 457 00:29:01,795 --> 00:29:05,398 scientists' revelation about ecology, 458 00:29:05,432 --> 00:29:07,000 and what that term really means, 459 00:29:07,034 --> 00:29:09,236 which is that everything is interrelated. 460 00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:12,372 Habitat became just as important as the animal. 461 00:29:14,541 --> 00:29:16,543 - To get that leaf to really look like a leaf, 462 00:29:16,576 --> 00:29:20,247 or to get that rock to really look like a real rock, 463 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,749 you really gotta know what that rock looks like. 464 00:29:22,782 --> 00:29:25,085 When we do a diorama here, 465 00:29:25,118 --> 00:29:27,554 we want it to be that particular place. 466 00:29:29,957 --> 00:29:32,993 - The museum where I work, Carl Akeley started there. 467 00:29:33,026 --> 00:29:35,262 So we have what some people consider 468 00:29:35,295 --> 00:29:37,630 the world's first diorama. 469 00:29:37,664 --> 00:29:38,866 We have the muskrat group. 470 00:29:38,899 --> 00:29:42,135 It was done in 1890 and it was innovative at the time. 471 00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:44,637 They had a cutaway view of the underwater house. 472 00:29:45,873 --> 00:29:49,576 I am the only full-time taxidermist in a museum, 473 00:29:49,609 --> 00:29:52,512 with the exception of Tim Bovard, that I am aware of. 474 00:29:52,545 --> 00:29:55,515 There's over 5000 mounted animals in our museum. 475 00:29:55,548 --> 00:29:58,251 So it's really a fun job because I'm never bored. 476 00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:01,488 I started the job when I was 19. 477 00:30:04,858 --> 00:30:08,461 I just want to try to share my love for nature with other people, 478 00:30:08,495 --> 00:30:10,998 and have people appreciate the animals as much as I do. 479 00:30:13,233 --> 00:30:16,803 A lot of people that are my age or older 480 00:30:16,836 --> 00:30:19,406 started with the Northwestern School of Taxidermy 481 00:30:19,439 --> 00:30:21,041 correspondence course by mail. 482 00:30:21,074 --> 00:30:23,776 And we did that because there wasn't much out there. 483 00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:26,646 There was not videotapes. There was not seminars 484 00:30:26,679 --> 00:30:30,817 Taxidermy was a tight-lipped closed community. 485 00:30:30,850 --> 00:30:32,819 Nobody told anybody their secrets. 486 00:30:33,186 --> 00:30:36,489 Now, it's this wonderful sharing of information. 487 00:30:36,523 --> 00:30:38,926 Competitions have just opened that field up. 488 00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:50,537 - We come together for competitions, which are our conference. 489 00:30:50,570 --> 00:30:53,473 And everyone's just so excited to meet each other. 490 00:30:54,274 --> 00:30:57,344 We all live in these different far-flung places. 491 00:30:57,377 --> 00:31:00,180 So we're the oddballs, we're the outcasts, 492 00:31:00,213 --> 00:31:01,481 we're the weird ones, right. 493 00:31:02,115 --> 00:31:05,352 - Uh yeah go into a bar and try and pick up a girl 494 00:31:05,385 --> 00:31:07,687 uh and then you tell them you're a taxidermist. 495 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,522 You get some weird reactions. 496 00:31:09,556 --> 00:31:14,127 You get anything from you do taxes to uh that's really creepy, 497 00:31:14,161 --> 00:31:17,030 or you get the ones that lie and are like no it's not creepy at all. 498 00:31:17,064 --> 00:31:19,299 Um and then in the back of their mind, 499 00:31:19,332 --> 00:31:20,968 they're like this guy could be Ted Bundy. 500 00:31:22,235 --> 00:31:24,371 - I'm a 3D wildlife artist. 501 00:31:24,404 --> 00:31:27,107 That goes over a lot better on the first date than being like 502 00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:30,310 yeah I stuff dead things. 503 00:31:31,044 --> 00:31:33,246 - It ' s hard to get away from the stereotypes. 504 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,950 This is not embalming. This is not a dried head. 505 00:31:37,417 --> 00:31:39,219 - People love to talk about Psycho, 506 00:31:39,252 --> 00:31:41,621 you know, 507 00:31:42,122 --> 00:31:44,124 - Obviously everyone thinks, you know, 508 00:31:44,157 --> 00:31:46,926 a taxidermist is, you know, a big guy, 509 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,663 older, wearing camo, beard, 510 00:31:50,697 --> 00:31:53,033 with a bloodlust of some kind, 511 00:31:53,066 --> 00:31:54,267 you know, 512 00:31:54,301 --> 00:31:56,369 and a bunch of dead deer and stuff in the back of his truck. 513 00:31:56,469 --> 00:31:59,939 And while you'll certainly find people who look like that, 514 00:31:59,973 --> 00:32:04,111 if you talk to 'em for just a minute, they're an artist, 515 00:32:04,144 --> 00:32:07,014 and they're people that you wouldn't think in a million years 516 00:32:07,047 --> 00:32:09,616 would be my friends, but they are. 517 00:32:11,118 --> 00:32:14,988 - You find people from all walks of life and from all over the world, 518 00:32:15,022 --> 00:32:18,591 and we have this really closely knit community 519 00:32:18,625 --> 00:32:23,496 of eccentric weirdos that like to recreate nature. 520 00:32:24,031 --> 00:32:25,865 - As you can see, the hocks go in. 521 00:32:25,898 --> 00:32:29,002 So now I'm kinda following that line there. 522 00:32:29,836 --> 00:32:32,605 - When you go to these shows, the seminars are just fantastic. 523 00:32:32,639 --> 00:32:35,942 I like to teach a lot of uh the fundamentals 524 00:32:35,975 --> 00:32:38,578 of the work, and building something from nothing. 525 00:32:39,312 --> 00:32:40,947 So what I'm doing is I want to feel here wi-, 526 00:32:40,980 --> 00:32:42,615 I'm gonna drop the scapulas down 527 00:32:42,649 --> 00:32:45,185 and I'm gonna feel underneath where the spine'll be sitting. 528 00:32:46,553 --> 00:32:47,620 The animal's dead, now what? 529 00:32:47,654 --> 00:32:48,921 You know, what do you do with it? 530 00:32:49,356 --> 00:32:51,591 You ' ve gotta try and create an attitude 531 00:32:51,624 --> 00:32:54,661 with the body that tells the story you're trying to create. 532 00:32:55,795 --> 00:32:57,364 It ' s gonna freeze. 533 00:32:57,397 --> 00:32:59,666 It's gonna start getting stiffer as it freezes. 534 00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:06,273 - When I get to go to a competition, 535 00:33:06,306 --> 00:33:08,708 it gives me that chance to learn again. 536 00:33:10,009 --> 00:33:13,313 You know, I really wasn't part of the taxidermy community before. 537 00:33:13,346 --> 00:33:15,482 So I met all these amazing people 538 00:33:15,515 --> 00:33:18,518 that were so eager to share knowledge. 539 00:33:18,785 --> 00:33:20,720 - I tend to use products that you can pick 540 00:33:20,753 --> 00:33:22,655 up in any hardware store for very cheap, 541 00:33:22,689 --> 00:33:26,326 harvesting as much information from that specimen as possible 542 00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:28,928 and recreating that to bring it to life. 543 00:33:29,762 --> 00:33:32,265 - Competitions have made quite a huge difference 544 00:33:32,299 --> 00:33:34,301 in the quality of taxidermy. 545 00:33:34,334 --> 00:33:37,036 It's just amazing the leaps and bounds 546 00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:39,172 when people start sharing. 547 00:33:39,206 --> 00:33:41,574 - Overall visual appearance and attitude. 548 00:33:41,608 --> 00:33:43,610 - Overall vi-, is, is very good. 549 00:33:43,643 --> 00:33:45,812 - This is how I learned a lot competing, 550 00:33:45,845 --> 00:33:48,381 was following the judges around. 551 00:33:48,415 --> 00:33:49,949 When, when we have the critiquing, 552 00:33:49,982 --> 00:33:51,284 I think that's probably 553 00:33:51,318 --> 00:33:52,985 where I have learned more than anything. 554 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,888 - I have been a taxidermist for a lot of years, 555 00:33:55,922 --> 00:33:57,690 professionally for almost 40. 556 00:33:57,724 --> 00:34:00,360 So I do a lot of traveling around and, and judging, 557 00:34:00,393 --> 00:34:03,163 designing product and things like that. 558 00:34:03,263 --> 00:34:05,865 You can put uh neck rolls slightly overdone. 559 00:34:06,266 --> 00:34:08,701 The competition taxidermy world can get you the attention, 560 00:34:08,735 --> 00:34:09,702 if you're good enough. 561 00:34:10,870 --> 00:34:13,340 If you're able to put those pieces together and win, 562 00:34:13,373 --> 00:34:14,774 uh you can create a brand, you know. 563 00:34:14,807 --> 00:34:17,009 And then they want you for sculpting product. 564 00:34:17,043 --> 00:34:19,946 This is that blue foam that's a floatation billet foam. 565 00:34:19,979 --> 00:34:22,249 I carve whole bears out of it all the time. 566 00:34:22,282 --> 00:34:24,717 So you can see that we've got a good start to our, 567 00:34:24,751 --> 00:34:26,686 our template for our mannequin. 568 00:34:27,987 --> 00:34:30,823 I specialize in mostly life-size displays, 569 00:34:30,857 --> 00:34:33,193 like bears, wolves, and big things. 570 00:34:33,226 --> 00:34:37,430 Re-creations as well, re-creations of extinct animals, 571 00:34:37,464 --> 00:34:39,266 rare endangered animals. 572 00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:41,468 In re-creations, 573 00:34:41,501 --> 00:34:44,571 you can use any kinda materials to create an animal, 574 00:34:44,604 --> 00:34:47,774 as long as the materials are not from that animal itself. 575 00:34:48,741 --> 00:34:49,976 When I did the panda bear, 576 00:34:50,009 --> 00:34:52,379 that was the first time I won a World Taxidermy Championship 577 00:34:52,412 --> 00:34:53,646 with a re-creation. 578 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,383 That was when I realized that I was kind of onto something. 579 00:34:56,416 --> 00:34:58,751 I'm interested 580 00:34:58,785 --> 00:35:01,120 in knowing where the limits are to what I can do. 581 00:35:30,783 --> 00:35:32,719 - Staub. Dust. 582 00:35:33,653 --> 00:35:36,289 These are 17th century frames. 583 00:35:36,323 --> 00:35:38,658 We tried to add a classical touch 584 00:35:38,691 --> 00:35:40,893 to the more modern images. 585 00:35:43,696 --> 00:35:45,965 It's actually a part of the process. 586 00:35:45,998 --> 00:35:48,801 After you skin the animal, you have to wash it. 587 00:35:53,373 --> 00:35:55,041 And that's at a certain point, 588 00:35:55,074 --> 00:35:58,845 we saw what sort of romantic feeling it got. 589 00:36:01,248 --> 00:36:02,949 It's sort of a water ballet. 590 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:54,166 - Mandy. 591 00:36:55,167 --> 00:36:56,569 - Yeah these are mainly males, I think, yeah. 592 00:36:57,570 --> 00:36:59,138 Are these all stomachs? 593 00:36:59,171 --> 00:37:00,973 Yeah, this is a cow stomach. 594 00:37:01,641 --> 00:37:03,843 I wonder how she does this. 595 00:37:04,411 --> 00:37:07,013 - I heard she's totally grossed out by it, 596 00:37:07,046 --> 00:37:10,517 but she has to make it. 597 00:37:11,918 --> 00:37:15,254 Can't imagine, yeah. Maybe it's inside out. 598 00:37:15,588 --> 00:37:18,224 Yeah, yeah. Yeah it's ins-, yeah. 599 00:37:18,257 --> 00:37:21,193 It's inside out. This is all the receptors. 600 00:37:24,030 --> 00:37:25,698 Is he a cow? 601 00:37:27,667 --> 00:37:29,336 Are you inside out? 602 00:38:10,643 --> 00:38:15,482 I'm opening the stomach so I can see the intestines. 603 00:38:17,484 --> 00:38:22,522 I take the whole gill and the intestines out of the fish. 604 00:38:23,723 --> 00:38:27,827 It is um interesting and disgusting at the same time actually. 605 00:38:32,198 --> 00:38:34,901 Now I'm trying to open the head of the fish, 606 00:38:34,934 --> 00:38:36,769 so you can see the gills. 607 00:38:36,803 --> 00:38:40,540 And then I try to uh yeah take the gills out with a, 608 00:38:40,573 --> 00:38:41,240 with a knife. 609 00:38:42,609 --> 00:38:45,978 First I was working on um on the stomachs. 610 00:38:46,012 --> 00:38:48,381 In the garden of my parents, 611 00:38:48,415 --> 00:38:54,421 I built a really primitive um uh tannery with, with barrels. 612 00:38:54,454 --> 00:38:58,425 And I start with uh recipes from the Eskimos, 613 00:38:58,458 --> 00:39:00,560 like um [laughs] urine. 614 00:39:01,894 --> 00:39:05,565 And my mom was asking why are you drinking so much? 615 00:39:05,598 --> 00:39:09,869 And I said I have to fill the whole bo-, barrel today. 616 00:39:12,939 --> 00:39:15,141 Animal intestines can be uh 617 00:39:15,174 --> 00:39:19,479 beautiful when you treat it and it's finished, 618 00:39:19,512 --> 00:39:22,148 and it's so, yeah it's so beautiful. 619 00:39:22,982 --> 00:39:27,286 I'm also eating the fish. So it's like uh up-cycling, 620 00:39:27,319 --> 00:39:29,489 making better use of the materials. 621 00:39:35,027 --> 00:39:39,632 So now I'm placing the, the dried gill on the, the stand. 622 00:39:43,369 --> 00:39:46,573 I put uh the name of the fish, 623 00:39:46,606 --> 00:39:51,043 like the scientific displays in a natural museum. 624 00:40:07,994 --> 00:40:11,363 What I like about nature is that it's moving, 625 00:40:11,397 --> 00:40:16,302 it's uh growing, and I'm also part of nature. 626 00:40:16,335 --> 00:40:21,874 And um when I'm outside, um I don't know, it just, 627 00:40:21,908 --> 00:40:25,678 you just feel more alive or something with the wind in your hair, 628 00:40:25,712 --> 00:40:29,148 and with all those animals around you. 629 00:40:39,626 --> 00:40:43,429 - I saw a picture in a textbook of a diaphonized mouse. 630 00:40:43,462 --> 00:40:47,534 I just thought that was the most beautiful and fascinating thing. 631 00:40:47,567 --> 00:40:49,736 And when I couldn't purchase one, 632 00:40:49,769 --> 00:40:52,438 being a scientist and a crazy person, 633 00:40:52,471 --> 00:40:54,173 I decided to make them myself. 634 00:40:55,942 --> 00:40:58,645 They basically feel like giant gummy bears with bones. 635 00:40:58,745 --> 00:40:59,979 - Will it move though? 636 00:41:00,012 --> 00:41:04,584 Yeah. You can still see the cartilage in the nasal cavity. 637 00:41:05,852 --> 00:41:08,154 And then if you take it out and you're delicate-- 638 00:41:10,089 --> 00:41:10,923 Yeah hold the jar. 639 00:41:10,957 --> 00:41:15,327 You can see it's a little bit-- - Yeah. 640 00:41:15,361 --> 00:41:16,896 --stiff but it's like a gummy bear. 641 00:41:16,929 --> 00:41:19,766 - And the little tongue inside. - Mm-hmm. 642 00:41:22,769 --> 00:41:23,903 - It's an old technique. 643 00:41:23,936 --> 00:41:27,339 I did not invent the technique for diaphonization. 644 00:41:28,608 --> 00:41:31,310 You use chemistry in order to highlight 645 00:41:31,343 --> 00:41:33,479 the underlying structures of the animal, 646 00:41:33,512 --> 00:41:37,850 the cartilage and the bones, and then alter the refractive index, 647 00:41:37,884 --> 00:41:40,553 or the way that light works with the skin and muscle, 648 00:41:40,587 --> 00:41:41,988 so it becomes transparent. 649 00:41:44,591 --> 00:41:47,059 I'm trying to look a little deeper than just the skin 650 00:41:47,093 --> 00:41:50,029 and see the underlying tissue that really show 651 00:41:50,062 --> 00:41:52,131 how an animal interacted with the world, 652 00:41:52,164 --> 00:41:55,301 or uh what they came from even. 653 00:41:57,236 --> 00:41:59,238 It was a very strange creature. It looks like a snake, 654 00:41:59,271 --> 00:42:02,775 but it's actually a type of skink. 655 00:42:02,809 --> 00:42:08,948 And if you look closely, you can see this is the sternum, 656 00:42:08,981 --> 00:42:12,985 and where the arms would attach, and then this is tail. 657 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,989 And then down here, where it kind of opens up, 658 00:42:17,023 --> 00:42:19,191 that is the pelvis. 659 00:42:19,225 --> 00:42:22,261 And the vestigial hind legs are still there. 660 00:42:22,294 --> 00:42:25,431 You can see the tiny bits of bone that are inside it. 661 00:42:26,565 --> 00:42:27,834 At first glance, 662 00:42:27,867 --> 00:42:31,403 most people would assume this slithering creature is a snake. 663 00:42:31,437 --> 00:42:33,706 But if you know what's underneath the skin, 664 00:42:33,740 --> 00:42:35,007 there's so much more to it. 665 00:42:47,019 --> 00:42:49,455 - I've always had such a connection with nature 666 00:42:49,488 --> 00:42:51,057 and I've always considered myself 667 00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:53,926 like kind of an old-fashioned naturalist, you know, 668 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,562 like the gentleman adventurer or something. 669 00:42:59,465 --> 00:43:01,768 There's a woodpecker up on that. Do you see him? 670 00:43:01,868 --> 00:43:03,402 - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 671 00:43:03,435 --> 00:43:07,674 We're watching nature so much. We're out in nature so much. 672 00:43:07,707 --> 00:43:10,376 And I think the thing that so attracts me to taxidermy 673 00:43:10,409 --> 00:43:12,745 is it's both a science and an art. 674 00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:16,683 If I take a picture of my nail polish 675 00:43:16,716 --> 00:43:18,317 next to whatever I'm trying to match, 676 00:43:18,350 --> 00:43:20,386 if I know that this color is correct, 677 00:43:20,419 --> 00:43:22,388 then I know how to match that color. 678 00:43:23,455 --> 00:43:26,893 And this'll be my little rock with the lichen on it. 679 00:43:29,696 --> 00:43:31,597 When I work on a piece, 680 00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:35,101 that piece should tell a story about nature. 681 00:43:35,134 --> 00:43:37,269 It should inspire people. 682 00:43:37,369 --> 00:43:38,871 - No. I think it's a ladder back. 683 00:43:38,905 --> 00:43:39,706 - It's a ladder back. 684 00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:43,109 It's not just about identifying something, 685 00:43:43,142 --> 00:43:45,577 but when you start to know what things are 686 00:43:45,611 --> 00:43:48,614 and identify them, you start to care about them. 687 00:43:52,418 --> 00:43:57,089 My family is like lovely, artistic, back woods Indiana. 688 00:43:57,123 --> 00:43:58,124 Like when you meet them, you're like 689 00:43:58,157 --> 00:43:59,325 oh that makes sense. 690 00:44:00,993 --> 00:44:02,829 When I told them, you know, 691 00:44:02,862 --> 00:44:06,833 I'm gonna leave my lucrative job and go be a taxidermist, 692 00:44:06,866 --> 00:44:09,702 they're like well you could have just stayed here. 693 00:44:09,736 --> 00:44:12,504 Like you didn't, you didn't have to move to do that. 694 00:44:13,505 --> 00:44:15,241 It took getting away from nature 695 00:44:15,274 --> 00:44:17,676 in many ways to really truly appreciate it, 696 00:44:17,710 --> 00:44:20,412 and really appreciate my roots, and where I came from. 697 00:44:29,021 --> 00:44:33,059 - So Travis was visiting and I had to go pick up this mountain lion. 698 00:44:33,092 --> 00:44:35,995 And he kinda said like hey do you want help on this? 699 00:44:36,095 --> 00:44:38,998 - What we're working on is quite a young cat. 700 00:44:39,698 --> 00:44:43,569 He was hit by a car and delivered to a nature centre. 701 00:44:43,602 --> 00:44:46,005 - We're actually leaving a few spots 702 00:44:46,038 --> 00:44:47,807 where you can see some road rash, 703 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,009 and it's going to tell that story. 704 00:44:50,042 --> 00:44:52,244 And the more lifelike that animal is, 705 00:44:52,278 --> 00:44:54,981 the more people will care about its species. 706 00:44:56,015 --> 00:44:59,451 - The head was custom sculpt from a copy of his own head. 707 00:44:59,485 --> 00:45:02,388 That's why the skin on his head fits so well. 708 00:45:03,422 --> 00:45:05,624 Reference is the most important thing 709 00:45:05,657 --> 00:45:07,293 when it comes to doing taxidermy work. 710 00:45:08,294 --> 00:45:09,962 You gotta have a good collection of photographs, 711 00:45:09,996 --> 00:45:11,663 measurements, castings. 712 00:45:11,697 --> 00:45:14,266 Mountain lions are very rare. 713 00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:17,469 To have the opportunity to go and look at them are even rarer. 714 00:45:23,943 --> 00:45:27,646 Hmm, hmm. I know. I know. 715 00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:29,348 - Oh I hear the purr. 716 00:45:30,382 --> 00:45:33,352 - Lions don't purr. - No this is the biggest cat that still purrs. 717 00:45:35,221 --> 00:45:37,356 Look at this. 718 00:45:37,389 --> 00:45:39,525 I'm very lucky to have a great relationship 719 00:45:39,558 --> 00:45:40,993 with Dave Jackson. 720 00:45:41,027 --> 00:45:45,664 And he has this amazing place called Conservation Ambassadors. 721 00:45:45,697 --> 00:45:47,333 Oh you get a nuzzle. 722 00:45:48,067 --> 00:45:50,502 Our organization is set up as a rescue zoo. 723 00:45:50,536 --> 00:45:51,971 So all the animals here are rescue animals 724 00:45:52,004 --> 00:45:53,472 from some situation, 725 00:45:53,505 --> 00:45:56,308 animals that are injured in the wild and can't be put back in the wild, 726 00:45:56,342 --> 00:45:57,676 and illegal pets. 727 00:45:57,709 --> 00:45:58,911 People think they're gonna 728 00:45:58,945 --> 00:46:01,513 bring something like a monkey home into their house. 729 00:46:01,547 --> 00:46:05,251 - You want this? Okay, yes, sir. Yes, sir. 730 00:46:05,351 --> 00:46:07,086 But what we do with them is not 731 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:08,554 just stick 'em in a cage forever. 732 00:46:08,587 --> 00:46:09,455 They get to come out and they get to be 733 00:46:09,488 --> 00:46:11,157 what we call ambassadors. 734 00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:14,326 And their second chance at life is coming to schools with us. 735 00:46:15,361 --> 00:46:17,363 Retention level of information from the education 736 00:46:17,396 --> 00:46:19,031 goes up exponentially when they can touch 737 00:46:19,065 --> 00:46:20,766 something and when they can meet a live animal. 738 00:46:22,001 --> 00:46:23,870 I use a lot of artifacts in our, our presentations, 739 00:46:23,903 --> 00:46:25,137 our programs, 740 00:46:25,171 --> 00:46:27,773 because I can't let the kids come up and touch a cougar. 741 00:46:27,806 --> 00:46:28,774 - Yeah. 742 00:46:28,807 --> 00:46:30,442 - But I can let them touch a cougar skin. 743 00:46:30,476 --> 00:46:31,377 - Exactly. 744 00:46:31,410 --> 00:46:33,679 - I can let them feel that amazing fur. 745 00:46:35,647 --> 00:46:38,150 Taxidermy and live animals, they're so intertwined. 746 00:46:38,184 --> 00:46:39,351 They're so important to each other. 747 00:46:39,385 --> 00:46:43,622 Now you can tell stories of not just natural history, 748 00:46:43,655 --> 00:46:47,626 but you can tell stories with taxidermy of today, 749 00:46:47,659 --> 00:46:50,062 what's going on today, like a mountain lion gets hit by a car. 750 00:46:50,096 --> 00:46:51,497 That's, that's what happens today. 751 00:46:53,165 --> 00:46:55,534 - Caring about nature is protecting nature. 752 00:46:55,567 --> 00:46:57,436 And that's what we're trying to instill 753 00:46:57,469 --> 00:47:00,806 in people when we create these things. 754 00:47:01,073 --> 00:47:04,076 - Don't you use porcupine hair as replacement whiskers? 755 00:47:04,110 --> 00:47:04,743 - You can, yeah. 756 00:47:04,776 --> 00:47:05,577 - In lions? 757 00:47:05,611 --> 00:47:06,612 - Yeah, for some cats. 758 00:47:06,645 --> 00:47:07,579 - Yeah. 759 00:47:07,613 --> 00:47:09,615 - It works well. Ah, don't back up. 760 00:47:09,648 --> 00:47:12,118 - Uh no, dude. Don't get up. Oh geez. 761 00:47:13,185 --> 00:47:15,721 It's all about connection, getting people connected with nature. 762 00:47:15,754 --> 00:47:18,224 Kids are growing up in the living room. 763 00:47:18,257 --> 00:47:19,926 They're not going out and digging up worms. 764 00:47:19,959 --> 00:47:21,760 They're not catching craw dads in the creek. 765 00:47:23,896 --> 00:47:24,997 All right, come on in. 766 00:47:25,031 --> 00:47:25,697 - All right. 767 00:47:25,864 --> 00:47:29,235 So uh this is our frozen zoo. 768 00:47:30,236 --> 00:47:33,072 This is um our Asian fishing cat. 769 00:47:33,672 --> 00:47:34,440 - She's beautiful. 770 00:47:34,473 --> 00:47:35,874 - And she educated her whole life. 771 00:47:35,908 --> 00:47:37,343 She went to schools every day. 772 00:47:37,376 --> 00:47:39,078 She's been on every show you could imagine. 773 00:47:39,178 --> 00:47:41,613 - It'll be interesting to come up with, you know, 774 00:47:41,647 --> 00:47:44,683 a pose that you feel really is her. 775 00:47:46,218 --> 00:47:48,120 - Aww. How's my girl? 776 00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:53,459 - What is truly unique about Dave is his understanding of death. 777 00:47:53,492 --> 00:47:55,294 He doesn't want to waste. 778 00:47:55,327 --> 00:47:57,696 He knows that there's value 779 00:47:57,729 --> 00:48:01,367 in them continuing to educate people. 780 00:48:02,601 --> 00:48:05,437 - There's wildlife crises everywhere all the time. 781 00:48:05,471 --> 00:48:08,975 We get into an ecosystem and we mess it all up with, 782 00:48:09,008 --> 00:48:11,410 with freeways and pollution and everything. 783 00:48:11,443 --> 00:48:13,512 If I was to snap my fingers right now 784 00:48:13,545 --> 00:48:15,714 and all the people were to fall off the face of the Earth, 785 00:48:15,747 --> 00:48:17,383 the animals would do just fine. 786 00:48:17,416 --> 00:48:18,584 But if I was to snap my fingers right now 787 00:48:18,617 --> 00:48:20,586 and all the animals were to fall off the face of the Earth, 788 00:48:20,619 --> 00:48:23,189 yeah turns out we need them and they don't need us. 789 00:48:23,222 --> 00:48:26,125 So [laughs] we gotta have a generation 790 00:48:26,158 --> 00:48:28,227 that's still connected to nature. 791 00:48:33,165 --> 00:48:34,366 - Over 100 years ago, 792 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,468 part of our whole national psyche 793 00:48:36,502 --> 00:48:39,505 was that we had endless resources, you know, 794 00:48:39,538 --> 00:48:42,441 this endless frontier of the West. 795 00:48:44,110 --> 00:48:45,877 Conservation was such a new idea, 796 00:48:45,911 --> 00:48:48,480 and I think that's one of the hardest things for us to grasp. 797 00:48:48,514 --> 00:48:51,483 'Cause the idea itself just wasn't there. 798 00:48:51,517 --> 00:48:53,252 And I think you could make a parallel 799 00:48:53,285 --> 00:48:55,387 between climate change and this. 800 00:48:56,688 --> 00:48:59,391 That shift took a while for people to realize like 801 00:48:59,425 --> 00:49:02,728 oh we might actually have to curb our behavior. 802 00:49:05,931 --> 00:49:07,899 The top scientists at the time, 803 00:49:07,933 --> 00:49:10,336 who worked for the American Museum of Natural History, 804 00:49:10,369 --> 00:49:11,903 and the Field Museum, and so on, 805 00:49:11,937 --> 00:49:15,941 they were coming out of a different scientific mode, 806 00:49:15,974 --> 00:49:18,777 which was more about just cataloguing, collecting, 807 00:49:18,810 --> 00:49:21,113 and knowledge for the sake of knowledge. 808 00:49:22,348 --> 00:49:24,383 They knew enough about habitat loss. 809 00:49:24,416 --> 00:49:26,252 They could see it in America's West. 810 00:49:26,285 --> 00:49:28,087 They could see it in Africa, because of the, 811 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,190 the rampant colonialism that was taking place there. 812 00:49:31,223 --> 00:49:35,494 They knew that all of these species were very likely going to go extinct. 813 00:49:35,527 --> 00:49:40,566 So they would collect one of those species for the museum, 814 00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:42,034 so we would have a collection. 815 00:49:42,068 --> 00:49:44,136 It was an archive for future generations to see what we'd lost. 816 00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:46,405 Like this was a giraffe, 817 00:49:46,438 --> 00:49:48,774 this was an elephant. 818 00:49:48,807 --> 00:49:50,842 The idea that we might use science to try and change 819 00:49:50,876 --> 00:49:53,779 the way things were wasn't really part of their MO. 820 00:49:57,583 --> 00:50:00,919 Theodore Roosevelt was a very pivotal figure. 821 00:50:00,952 --> 00:50:03,822 He was still a man of his time. He was a hunter. 822 00:50:03,855 --> 00:50:07,926 A lot of conservationists, in retrospect, 823 00:50:07,959 --> 00:50:09,795 but also at the time, his contemporaries, 824 00:50:09,828 --> 00:50:12,098 criticized him for being too trigger-happy, 825 00:50:12,131 --> 00:50:14,366 'cause I mean he came home with animals that 826 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,602 he had shot in Africa that could be measured in the tons. 827 00:50:16,635 --> 00:50:18,003 There's no getting around that. 828 00:50:18,036 --> 00:50:18,904 But at the same time, 829 00:50:18,937 --> 00:50:20,572 he was the first one who really started 830 00:50:20,606 --> 00:50:22,174 to preserve land in the United States, 831 00:50:22,208 --> 00:50:26,112 because he was one of the first people to really realize 832 00:50:26,145 --> 00:50:31,250 that the frontier was closed, that this idea that nature 833 00:50:31,283 --> 00:50:35,387 was inexhaustible wasn't true. I-. it is exhaustible. 834 00:50:35,421 --> 00:50:38,290 And that was not a popular idea at the time. 835 00:50:39,991 --> 00:50:43,295 That's what makes him one of the most 836 00:50:43,329 --> 00:50:46,132 paradoxical figures of his time. 837 00:50:46,165 --> 00:50:47,766 And Akeley worshipped him. 838 00:50:49,568 --> 00:50:53,205 And I think Akeley probably was inspired enough by him, 839 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,041 that by the time he looked into those gorilla's eyes 840 00:50:56,074 --> 00:50:58,544 and he had his own personal transformation, 841 00:50:58,577 --> 00:51:00,679 he kind of lived something that 842 00:51:00,712 --> 00:51:02,748 TR had been talking about for years. 843 00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:05,984 When he had his moment of epiphany, 844 00:51:06,017 --> 00:51:08,387 it was when he was killing gorillas. 845 00:51:08,420 --> 00:51:10,822 People were going in with licenses 846 00:51:10,856 --> 00:51:13,559 to kill like 20 gorillas at a time. 847 00:51:13,592 --> 00:51:16,995 And he knew that at the rate they were going, 848 00:51:17,028 --> 00:51:19,331 I mean they would have been extinct within 10 years. 849 00:51:19,365 --> 00:51:22,534 And so he managed to persuade the Belgian government 850 00:51:22,568 --> 00:51:26,505 to create a sanctuary to protect the mountain gorilla. 851 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,443 It's the first wildlife sanctuary in Africa. 852 00:51:31,477 --> 00:51:34,980 To save the habitat was to save the animal. 853 00:51:35,013 --> 00:51:37,183 And that's what saved the mountain gorillas. 854 00:51:52,030 --> 00:51:56,235 - Every hunter I know that's a true hunter actually loves nature. 855 00:51:56,268 --> 00:51:59,605 And that's something that I feel like so many people 856 00:51:59,638 --> 00:52:01,440 just can't wrap their minds around. 857 00:52:01,473 --> 00:52:04,576 How can you love animals and still want to hunt them? 858 00:52:06,912 --> 00:52:07,746 - Fold it back. 859 00:52:10,782 --> 00:52:14,220 - Hunters are the greatest conservationists. 860 00:52:14,253 --> 00:52:17,756 They spend the most amount of money on land, 861 00:52:17,789 --> 00:52:20,559 on labour to protect the animals. 862 00:52:20,592 --> 00:52:23,662 And they spend the most amount of time with the animals. 863 00:52:25,631 --> 00:52:29,134 Hunting serves a purpose, so it all goes back to that. 864 00:52:29,167 --> 00:52:30,802 There has to be a reason, 865 00:52:30,836 --> 00:52:33,372 whether it's because people need food, 866 00:52:33,405 --> 00:52:36,742 or if it's just game management. 867 00:52:36,775 --> 00:52:39,678 A world without hunting is gonna be a pretty sad world, 868 00:52:39,711 --> 00:52:43,515 because nothing's gonna have a value economically. 869 00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:46,818 And if wildlife doesn't have an economic value, 870 00:52:46,852 --> 00:52:48,554 it just won't be around. 871 00:52:48,587 --> 00:52:49,921 It just won't. 872 00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:55,627 So this is actual taxidermy. 873 00:52:55,661 --> 00:52:57,763 It's the difference between just 874 00:52:57,796 --> 00:53:01,199 gluing and pinning and sewing a skin on a form, 875 00:53:01,233 --> 00:53:04,102 but actually understanding where it needs to go, 876 00:53:04,135 --> 00:53:06,238 working out wrinkles, 877 00:53:06,272 --> 00:53:08,940 and putting hair patterns where they need to actually go. 878 00:53:10,876 --> 00:53:12,844 There's not very many taxidermists in Europe, 879 00:53:12,878 --> 00:53:15,347 just because there's not a lot of hunting in Europe. 880 00:53:15,381 --> 00:53:17,749 And part of the reason there's not a lot of hunting in Europe 881 00:53:17,783 --> 00:53:19,985 is 'cause there's no animals in Europe. 882 00:53:21,353 --> 00:53:23,021 Growing up in Switzerland, 883 00:53:23,054 --> 00:53:25,424 there's no such thing as going on a nature hike 884 00:53:25,457 --> 00:53:27,326 and seeing animals. 885 00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:29,861 I wish most Americans would just realize 886 00:53:29,895 --> 00:53:32,398 how incredibly fortunate we all are. 887 00:53:45,644 --> 00:53:49,548 - When I was very small, I once found a rabbit skull. 888 00:53:51,583 --> 00:53:54,019 And I thought it was so cool and so neat. 889 00:53:56,555 --> 00:54:00,158 I think it was like the most appreciated position I ever had. 890 00:54:03,729 --> 00:54:07,032 - For us, it's very principle that we only work with animals 891 00:54:07,065 --> 00:54:10,802 that died of natural causes, and that lived in captivity. 892 00:54:15,173 --> 00:54:18,009 If you talk about hunting here in the Netherlands, 893 00:54:18,043 --> 00:54:20,746 they think it's animal cruelty. 894 00:54:21,747 --> 00:54:24,115 They eat animals from a factory, 895 00:54:24,149 --> 00:54:28,253 but hunting is uh a no-go area. 896 00:54:30,221 --> 00:54:33,091 I'm not a fan of hunting, but it's not all bad. 897 00:54:33,124 --> 00:54:34,760 Since here in Holland, 898 00:54:34,793 --> 00:54:37,529 you have like protected areas where they keep deers 899 00:54:37,563 --> 00:54:39,798 and other rare animals. 900 00:54:39,831 --> 00:54:42,868 But these places are crowded now. 901 00:54:42,901 --> 00:54:45,704 So it looks very funny in the summer. 902 00:54:46,171 --> 00:54:48,574 But, when the winter comes, they all starve to death. 903 00:54:49,608 --> 00:54:51,610 And I think that's wrong. 904 00:54:59,918 --> 00:55:01,620 - Uh when you take out the body, 905 00:55:01,653 --> 00:55:04,623 you have to sort of copy it exactly, 906 00:55:04,656 --> 00:55:11,730 because the skin that comes off is like uh tailored suits. 907 00:55:11,763 --> 00:55:13,131 It fits only one way. 908 00:55:13,164 --> 00:55:15,634 So you have to take all the measurements. 909 00:55:17,903 --> 00:55:20,372 In Holland, taxidermy isn't that common. 910 00:55:20,406 --> 00:55:24,976 So many people think we just cut it open, 911 00:55:25,010 --> 00:55:26,512 empty it with a spoon, 912 00:55:26,545 --> 00:55:29,180 and, and put something back in it, 913 00:55:29,214 --> 00:55:30,315 and then it's finished. 914 00:55:30,348 --> 00:55:31,149 - Stuff it up. 915 00:55:31,182 --> 00:55:32,784 When you explain how much work it is, 916 00:55:32,818 --> 00:55:35,120 then people appreciate it more. 917 00:55:37,355 --> 00:55:41,527 These are all gonna go on a birdcage, 918 00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:42,494 on the outside, 919 00:55:42,528 --> 00:55:44,863 try to make a whole story of all the birds 920 00:55:44,896 --> 00:55:48,867 interacting with each other, talking, looking at each other. 921 00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:53,171 All caged in, but you know, looks like they're all free. 922 00:55:56,207 --> 00:55:59,010 The animals we use otherwise gets thrown away. 923 00:55:59,044 --> 00:56:02,714 And it's either in the bin or we make something out of it. 924 00:56:04,716 --> 00:56:06,552 So sort of give it a second life. 925 00:56:13,692 --> 00:56:15,494 So my pet chinchilla just died recently. 926 00:56:15,527 --> 00:56:18,029 It ' s about one to maybe three pounds. 927 00:56:18,063 --> 00:56:19,998 I was wondering if you guys could possibly give me a- 928 00:56:20,031 --> 00:56:22,233 - Last message received. - No. 929 00:56:22,267 --> 00:56:24,102 This is why we don't pick up the studio phone. 930 00:56:24,135 --> 00:56:26,304 You end up on the phone with these people for forever. 931 00:56:26,337 --> 00:56:32,444 - I have a deceased owl that died on my property. 932 00:56:32,478 --> 00:56:34,379 - It doesn't work like that. 933 00:56:34,412 --> 00:56:36,915 - Lived for 10 years on the property. 934 00:56:36,948 --> 00:56:39,585 I found an owl, I found an eagle. They can't have it. 935 00:56:39,618 --> 00:56:41,853 You really can't convince them that it's federal law 936 00:56:41,887 --> 00:56:42,921 and that they can't have it, 937 00:56:42,954 --> 00:56:44,623 because they're like well it died on my property. 938 00:56:44,656 --> 00:56:47,526 And it's like okay but if you found cocaine on your property, 939 00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:49,495 like you couldn't have that either. 940 00:56:53,765 --> 00:56:56,635 What I'm working on here and what we're really gearing up for 941 00:56:56,668 --> 00:57:01,006 is the Visual Voyages exhibit at the Huntington Library. 942 00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:05,944 Visual Voyages is expressions of nature from 943 00:57:05,977 --> 00:57:08,914 Columbus to Darwin in Latin America, 944 00:57:08,947 --> 00:57:11,416 you know, explorers, biologists, all of that 945 00:57:11,449 --> 00:57:13,051 going over there and being like 946 00:57:13,084 --> 00:57:16,588 what are these little shiny amazing birds, 947 00:57:16,622 --> 00:57:18,690 or you know, what is this anteater, 948 00:57:18,724 --> 00:57:20,191 what are these armadillos? 949 00:57:20,792 --> 00:57:23,094 I was talking to Ken on the phone, 950 00:57:23,128 --> 00:57:26,131 and you know, he is such a mentor to us and everything. 951 00:57:26,164 --> 00:57:28,600 He's like well if you need any help. 952 00:57:28,634 --> 00:57:30,869 I think this is all fitting pretty well. 953 00:57:30,902 --> 00:57:33,404 This is a little square, the space in between here, 954 00:57:33,438 --> 00:57:35,473 but I don't know if that's how the anatomy works. 955 00:57:35,574 --> 00:57:37,142 - Actually this isn't too bad because they, 956 00:57:37,175 --> 00:57:40,378 that, that is a, a pretty common pose. 957 00:57:40,411 --> 00:57:41,046 - Uh-huh. 958 00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:42,714 - For these guys, like the, 959 00:57:42,748 --> 00:57:44,583 you know, the, that spread on the feet. 960 00:57:45,216 --> 00:57:48,754 The armadillos are gonna be actual touch pieces. 961 00:57:48,787 --> 00:57:51,189 And they're so unique and they're something that like, 962 00:57:51,222 --> 00:57:53,825 you know, I've never worked on before. 963 00:57:53,859 --> 00:57:56,995 I don't see how armadillos are from the planet Earth. 964 00:57:57,028 --> 00:57:57,863 I really don't. 965 00:57:59,497 --> 00:58:02,267 I don't know where I would be without the kind of advice and leadership, 966 00:58:02,300 --> 00:58:04,803 and that you have people in this industry 967 00:58:04,836 --> 00:58:06,638 that are so willing to do that. 968 00:58:06,738 --> 00:58:07,973 Do you like these little rods? They're cool, eh? 969 00:58:08,006 --> 00:58:09,641 - I do like these little rods. 970 00:58:09,675 --> 00:58:11,176 Those are gonna be my new friends. 971 00:58:11,209 --> 00:58:12,578 - Mm-hmm. 972 00:58:12,611 --> 00:58:15,747 I had to defend the girls when they first showed up on the scene. 973 00:58:15,781 --> 00:58:18,149 You know, people start smart-mouthing to me, 974 00:58:18,183 --> 00:58:19,718 I put 'em in their place real quick. 975 00:58:19,818 --> 00:58:22,821 A lot of the Millennials are into like rogue taxidermy, 976 00:58:22,854 --> 00:58:25,824 which is, you know, making strange creatures 977 00:58:25,857 --> 00:58:28,393 and doing things that traditional taxidermists would-, 978 00:58:28,426 --> 00:58:30,962 wouldn't be caught dead doing, which is art. 979 00:58:30,996 --> 00:58:33,398 So I love it. I love anything to do with art. 980 00:58:46,645 --> 00:58:51,349 - Rogue taxidermy is a genre of pop surrealist art 981 00:58:51,382 --> 00:58:54,152 that utilize conventional taxidermy-related materials 982 00:58:54,185 --> 00:58:55,821 in an unconventional manner. 983 00:58:57,388 --> 00:58:59,858 Taxidermy for a long time really had a stigma attached to it, 984 00:58:59,891 --> 00:59:01,760 where it was like wearing a fur coat. 985 00:59:01,793 --> 00:59:03,762 You're hurting animals and you're exploiting the animals. 986 00:59:03,795 --> 00:59:07,298 The animals I work with die of natural causes 987 00:59:07,332 --> 00:59:10,001 or are byproducts of the livestock industry. 988 00:59:10,035 --> 00:59:12,270 People don't think about their animal consumption, 989 00:59:12,303 --> 00:59:14,105 when I say consumption, not even what you eat. 990 00:59:14,139 --> 00:59:16,574 They don't think about the clothing they wear, 991 00:59:16,608 --> 00:59:17,709 the products they use. 992 00:59:17,743 --> 00:59:20,211 But you know, when you're looking at taxidermy, 993 00:59:20,245 --> 00:59:23,581 it has eyes. It forces you to think about it. 994 00:59:26,517 --> 00:59:27,619 The Goth Griffin, 995 00:59:27,653 --> 00:59:31,056 which is a combination of a crow and a black cat, 996 00:59:31,089 --> 00:59:32,791 which is a combination of a crow and a black cat, 997 00:59:32,824 --> 00:59:34,826 New York Times Art section in 2004. 998 00:59:34,860 --> 00:59:39,097 And that was the catalyst for interest in the genre. 999 00:59:39,597 --> 00:59:41,733 When people came to be part of our group 1000 00:59:41,767 --> 00:59:44,936 and want to kind of work under that umbrella of rogue taxidermy, 1001 00:59:44,970 --> 00:59:46,905 they had to pledge that they wouldn't harm 1002 00:59:46,938 --> 00:59:48,373 animals to make the work. 1003 00:59:48,406 --> 00:59:50,976 So that kind of rebranded taxidermy. 1004 00:59:51,009 --> 00:59:53,812 Like all of a sudden it wasn't about killing an animal. 1005 00:59:53,845 --> 00:59:55,947 It has a recycling aspect to it. 1006 00:59:57,115 --> 00:59:59,985 Capricorn is constructed out of a stillborn lamb, 1007 01:00:00,018 --> 01:00:02,253 a carp, and grouse wings. 1008 01:00:02,287 --> 01:00:04,022 And then the antlers on that are from a 1009 01:00:04,055 --> 01:00:06,091 vintage roe deer trophy plaque. 1010 01:00:06,124 --> 01:00:08,459 A lot of people, when I first started doing this, 1011 01:00:08,493 --> 01:00:11,763 didn't think that what I was doing was acceptable whatsoever, 1012 01:00:11,797 --> 01:00:13,531 not ethical, not moral. 1013 01:00:13,564 --> 01:00:17,936 I never understood why I would get just like lambasted, 1014 01:00:17,969 --> 01:00:20,839 attacked, just like horrible hate mail, 1015 01:00:20,872 --> 01:00:24,309 whereas men that were doing it, no hate mail. 1016 01:00:25,977 --> 01:00:30,548 Taxidermy is really rapidly losing that good old boys club 1017 01:00:30,581 --> 01:00:33,018 feeling that it had for so many years. 1018 01:00:33,051 --> 01:00:36,121 Not to say that never were awesome female taxidermists before, 1019 01:00:36,154 --> 01:00:38,857 but now we've got women that are like at the forefront 1020 01:00:38,890 --> 01:00:42,794 of what's been popularizing taxidermy. 1021 01:00:57,408 --> 01:00:59,745 - Of course there's always the novelty taxidermy that has 1022 01:00:59,778 --> 01:01:02,480 really become en vogue too. 1023 01:01:04,149 --> 01:01:06,584 Novelty is when you have the animals playing cards 1024 01:01:06,617 --> 01:01:08,386 or paddling a canoe or whatever. 1025 01:01:08,419 --> 01:01:11,656 That was really big back in Victorian time period. 1026 01:01:12,991 --> 01:01:15,660 t seems to me like it kinda completely went away for a while, 1027 01:01:15,693 --> 01:01:17,295 and now it seems to be resurging. 1028 01:01:17,328 --> 01:01:20,498 Taxidermy in general is making quite a resurgence, 1029 01:01:20,531 --> 01:01:23,068 especially Victorian taxidermy. 1030 01:01:34,312 --> 01:01:39,184 There's a big history of taxidermy and fashion. 1031 01:01:39,217 --> 01:01:41,352 And I think that's one of the main ways that 1032 01:01:41,386 --> 01:01:44,790 taxidermy actually entered the mainstream 1033 01:01:44,823 --> 01:01:46,457 during the Victorian era. 1034 01:01:48,059 --> 01:01:52,663 Queen Victoria was really the one who kinda started that. 1035 01:01:52,697 --> 01:01:57,668 She started wearing these amazing plumes in her hair, 1036 01:01:57,702 --> 01:02:01,072 wearing feathers elsewhere on her garb, 1037 01:02:01,106 --> 01:02:03,641 and small ones in pins and things like that. 1038 01:02:03,674 --> 01:02:06,477 And she's the reason we call it Victorian era. 1039 01:02:06,577 --> 01:02:09,948 But you know, it really had a dark side to it. 1040 01:02:10,949 --> 01:02:13,985 We lost several hundred species 1041 01:02:14,019 --> 01:02:19,457 in the 1800s to both collecting and haberdashery, 1042 01:02:19,490 --> 01:02:24,129 hats, um or, or just hat pins like this one. 1043 01:02:26,164 --> 01:02:30,068 In my case, this bird died in captivity. 1044 01:02:30,101 --> 01:02:32,470 It's not bad for the environment, 1045 01:02:32,503 --> 01:02:36,107 and it's probably the most natural thing I put in my hair. 1046 01:02:38,243 --> 01:02:40,011 You're always gonna get asked about it. 1047 01:02:40,045 --> 01:02:43,481 Maybe in some ways, it's my sneaky way of 1048 01:02:43,514 --> 01:02:47,552 of getting people in Hollywood to learn about animals. 1049 01:02:49,187 --> 01:02:55,126 I've been lucky enough to get some high profile fashion-y clients. 1050 01:02:55,160 --> 01:03:00,098 In the new Gucci fragrance campaign, 1051 01:03:00,131 --> 01:03:04,269 you can see my Victorian bird dome. 1052 01:03:04,302 --> 01:03:07,105 It's got a lot of elements from their scents in it. 1053 01:03:08,206 --> 01:03:10,275 I worked with EB Florals 1054 01:03:10,308 --> 01:03:14,679 and we actually turned some of my birds into diffusers. 1055 01:03:14,712 --> 01:03:18,816 They've been in Vanity Fair, Marie Claire, 1056 01:03:18,850 --> 01:03:21,552 things that like I was like reading as a kid. 1057 01:03:21,586 --> 01:03:24,789 You know, it's all these crazy fashion things I could never have, 1058 01:03:24,822 --> 01:03:26,591 and then my stuff is in them 1059 01:03:26,624 --> 01:03:29,594 And I'm a taxidermist. Like how weird is that? 1060 01:03:45,410 --> 01:03:48,579 The Victorians were obsessed with hummingbirds. 1061 01:03:48,613 --> 01:03:52,550 John Gould did these beautiful hummingbird cases 1062 01:03:52,583 --> 01:03:57,288 for the Great Exhibit held in London in the 1850s. 1063 01:03:57,322 --> 01:04:00,325 And so I'm re-creating two of those cases. 1064 01:04:01,792 --> 01:04:05,363 I make a little body based on their actual body. 1065 01:04:05,396 --> 01:04:07,832 I go slightly smaller in some areas, 1066 01:04:07,865 --> 01:04:10,368 and then maybe a little fuller in the chest and others, 1067 01:04:10,401 --> 01:04:13,004 because you have to imagine it actually being alive. 1068 01:04:14,539 --> 01:04:16,007 They're very small. 1069 01:04:16,041 --> 01:04:18,509 So as you can imagine, they're very delicate. 1070 01:04:18,543 --> 01:04:22,847 If you pull at all, the skin rips. 1071 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,183 If it heats up, the skin rips. 1072 01:04:25,216 --> 01:04:29,154 If you look at it funny or think sad thoughts, the skin rips. 1073 01:04:29,187 --> 01:04:31,822 So I try to stay real calm when I'm working on hummingbirds. 1074 01:04:42,033 --> 01:04:45,336 These hummingbirds were collected from the Moore Lab. 1075 01:04:46,972 --> 01:04:49,674 - The Moore Lab is a really spectacular place. 1076 01:04:49,707 --> 01:04:53,078 We have this amazing bird collection, 1077 01:04:53,111 --> 01:04:55,280 65,000 specimens. 1078 01:04:55,313 --> 01:04:58,716 We have one of the best hummingbird collections in the world. 1079 01:04:59,717 --> 01:05:04,522 This is a blue-tufted starthroat collected in 1929. 1080 01:05:05,756 --> 01:05:08,726 - These guys are going to be on this exhibit at the Huntington, 1081 01:05:08,759 --> 01:05:11,329 but then ultimately they're going to end up 1082 01:05:11,362 --> 01:05:14,365 at the Moore Lab on display as part of the collection. 1083 01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,036 One of the things that's most important to the Moore Lab 1084 01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:20,271 is having the correct anatomy, 1085 01:05:20,305 --> 01:05:23,541 having the correct characteristic behaviors. 1086 01:05:23,574 --> 01:05:26,277 So I get to learn so much from them. 1087 01:05:26,377 --> 01:05:28,146 - Where Allis has been great 1088 01:05:28,179 --> 01:05:31,816 is in working in some of our scientific ideas 1089 01:05:31,849 --> 01:05:33,184 into the taxidermy, 1090 01:05:33,218 --> 01:05:35,820 so we can talk about our science 1091 01:05:35,853 --> 01:05:40,558 with a bird in a lifelike pose that sparks the imagination. 1092 01:05:59,977 --> 01:06:02,847 - I got interested in taxidermy when I was about nine years old. 1093 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,382 My grandpa taught this school. 1094 01:06:05,983 --> 01:06:10,021 - I started doing taxidermy when I was 16 back in 1968. 1095 01:06:10,055 --> 01:06:13,224 I got interested, I seen articles 1096 01:06:13,258 --> 01:06:15,226 in my granddad's hunting magazines all the time, 1097 01:06:15,260 --> 01:06:16,494 since I was a little kid. 1098 01:06:16,527 --> 01:06:19,597 And I just started a school, started teaching taxidermy. 1099 01:06:20,631 --> 01:06:23,368 - I took his full taxidermy course when I was 13, 1100 01:06:23,401 --> 01:06:25,303 and then created my own business called 1101 01:06:25,336 --> 01:06:26,737 Remington Taxidermy. 1102 01:06:26,771 --> 01:06:30,208 And then this crazy person took grandpa's class 1103 01:06:30,241 --> 01:06:31,976 and became my adopted big sister. 1104 01:06:32,009 --> 01:06:33,278 And ever since then, 1105 01:06:33,311 --> 01:06:35,613 we've had this bond that we just share together. 1106 01:06:35,713 --> 01:06:38,749 - One day, I can draw up concepts, I can, 1107 01:06:38,783 --> 01:06:41,319 the next day, if I'm sick of it, I have animals to skin. 1108 01:06:41,352 --> 01:06:43,221 If I'm sick of that, I can 1109 01:06:43,254 --> 01:06:46,191 work on chemistry and science with tanning. 1110 01:06:46,224 --> 01:06:48,826 I literally cannot get sick of it. 1111 01:06:49,660 --> 01:06:51,462 - Dakota and I met at the World Show 1112 01:06:51,496 --> 01:06:53,531 when I'd flown in from South Africa. 1113 01:06:53,564 --> 01:06:56,367 Us as a younger crowd, we tend to stick together. 1114 01:06:58,103 --> 01:07:00,071 One of the cool things about the World Shows 1115 01:07:00,105 --> 01:07:02,573 having the Collaborative Artists Division 1116 01:07:02,607 --> 01:07:06,144 is there is that opportunity to make something 1117 01:07:06,177 --> 01:07:08,213 with people you really want to work with. 1118 01:07:16,721 --> 01:07:19,023 We seldom ever get the opportunity to work together, 1119 01:07:19,056 --> 01:07:21,792 especially on something like a competition piece. 1120 01:07:21,826 --> 01:07:24,028 And that's what we did with this little zebra. 1121 01:07:39,110 --> 01:07:40,878 We're trying to do something here with a baby animal, 1122 01:07:40,911 --> 01:07:42,413 which is pretty difficult. 1123 01:07:42,447 --> 01:07:45,483 Very difficult to find reference of babies. 1124 01:07:47,918 --> 01:07:49,620 - It's all about what your work looks like, 1125 01:07:49,654 --> 01:07:50,621 can you prove yourself. 1126 01:07:51,122 --> 01:07:53,090 - I love making things from scratch and 1127 01:07:53,124 --> 01:07:55,560 being able to do it exactly how I want to. 1128 01:07:56,961 --> 01:07:58,729 - Commercial taxidermy is, you know, 1129 01:07:58,763 --> 01:07:59,964 just putting out a nice piece, 1130 01:07:59,997 --> 01:08:02,500 good quality work in a decent time for clients. 1131 01:08:02,533 --> 01:08:05,403 But you can really get into the art in a competition 1132 01:08:05,436 --> 01:08:07,738 that you can't afford to put into a client's work. 1133 01:08:29,494 --> 01:08:30,895 - A baby animal trying to stand up, 1134 01:08:30,928 --> 01:08:33,864 it's not typically anything anyone would do. 1135 01:08:33,898 --> 01:08:35,266 There's a hell of a lot going on, 1136 01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:37,602 and it's not easy to make it look real. 1137 01:08:39,370 --> 01:08:42,973 This technique that we're using is not a popular technique. 1138 01:08:44,242 --> 01:08:47,878 Something like this being fully customized from the original animal, 1139 01:08:47,912 --> 01:08:49,113 it's far more accurate. 1140 01:08:49,146 --> 01:08:52,149 You can focus more on anatomy and expression 1141 01:08:52,183 --> 01:08:53,751 and what's actually going on in composition, 1142 01:08:53,784 --> 01:08:56,421 and less about just getting the skin to fit. 1143 01:09:03,261 --> 01:09:05,796 Taxidermy's an extremely labour-intensive work. 1144 01:09:05,830 --> 01:09:09,300 You spend countless hours grinding away 1145 01:09:09,334 --> 01:09:13,604 at the most insignificant of details, or so it would appear. 1146 01:09:13,638 --> 01:09:17,342 We try just our very best to stay sane, 1147 01:09:17,375 --> 01:09:19,143 and create works of art. 1148 01:09:19,176 --> 01:09:21,412 But the world doesn't appreciate it. 1149 01:09:25,416 --> 01:09:27,452 - Um hot gluing the seam together, 1150 01:09:27,485 --> 01:09:28,686 so then when we pour the foam in, 1151 01:09:28,719 --> 01:09:30,821 then we don't have foam running out between the lines. 1152 01:09:30,855 --> 01:09:33,858 I've never made like a cast body like this before. 1153 01:09:35,693 --> 01:09:37,762 - We looked at the original ears 1154 01:09:37,795 --> 01:09:41,065 and highlighted all of the veins and where they were. 1155 01:09:41,098 --> 01:09:44,335 And then we're hollowing them out in the mold. 1156 01:09:47,672 --> 01:09:49,574 - I've always learned from Grandpa. 1157 01:09:49,607 --> 01:09:53,143 And Travis is kinda my first time of one-on-one with someone, 1158 01:09:53,177 --> 01:09:54,779 learning something really new. 1159 01:10:00,285 --> 01:10:03,888 - We're trying to get something alive and asymmetrical. 1160 01:10:03,921 --> 01:10:07,725 We got a puckered up lip line, flared nostrils, 1161 01:10:07,758 --> 01:10:09,694 pumped up blood veins. 1162 01:10:09,727 --> 01:10:12,630 We're trying to get that really worried look on its face. 1163 01:10:35,486 --> 01:10:40,358 The art of taxidermy is re-creating the animal precisely, 1164 01:10:40,391 --> 01:10:42,860 but breathing life into it. 1165 01:10:42,893 --> 01:10:46,230 Because if you just take all the measurements, the casting, 1166 01:10:46,263 --> 01:10:48,165 all that reference you get from the specimen, 1167 01:10:48,198 --> 01:10:52,437 and assemble it, you got a dead animal. 1168 01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:54,572 You gotta know the animal. You've gotta know nature. 1169 01:10:54,605 --> 01:10:56,240 You gotta know how they behave, 1170 01:10:56,273 --> 01:10:58,108 what they eat, where they live. 1171 01:11:11,288 --> 01:11:14,925 It becomes one of these things that you just can't shake. 1172 01:11:14,959 --> 01:11:16,927 You can't stop thinking about it. 1173 01:11:16,961 --> 01:11:18,329 It's always on the back of your mind. 1174 01:11:18,363 --> 01:11:20,931 Like where am I going wrong? 1175 01:11:20,965 --> 01:11:24,602 Why does this not look alive? 1176 01:11:24,635 --> 01:11:27,071 And it never will. 1177 01:11:27,104 --> 01:11:30,541 But it's something that we strive to perfect. 1178 01:12:04,509 --> 01:12:07,912 - To me, the competitions ain't so much winning the competition, 1179 01:12:07,945 --> 01:12:08,613 it's learning. 1180 01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,682 And the more you can learn, the better you get. 1181 01:12:13,618 --> 01:12:17,254 - I think that's another thing that taxidermists all have in common. 1182 01:12:17,287 --> 01:12:19,724 We always want to keep getting better and better. 1183 01:12:19,757 --> 01:12:22,660 And that's why we're so excited to go to places like 1184 01:12:22,693 --> 01:12:23,961 the World Championship. 1185 01:12:28,032 --> 01:12:30,367 - That's when I met pretty much all the other big name 1186 01:12:30,401 --> 01:12:31,502 in the industry. 1187 01:12:32,737 --> 01:12:34,739 - We're not the best taxidermists in the world. 1188 01:12:34,772 --> 01:12:36,774 We saw today we're not. 1189 01:12:40,811 --> 01:12:43,748 - It doesn't really matter where you come from and, 1190 01:12:43,781 --> 01:12:45,516 where you are in your career. 1191 01:12:45,550 --> 01:12:47,652 Somehow we all have this connection 1192 01:12:47,685 --> 01:12:49,820 and you become this really close-knit family. 1193 01:12:50,888 --> 01:12:52,823 - Even though we're really different from each other, 1194 01:12:52,857 --> 01:12:54,358 we have a common language 1195 01:12:54,391 --> 01:12:56,393 that other people simply don't speak. 1196 01:12:57,728 --> 01:13:01,198 - So I need all my Euro pins that everyone is constantly 1197 01:13:01,231 --> 01:13:02,433 stealing from me. 1198 01:13:02,467 --> 01:13:05,903 Hunting down all the weird little things that I need. 1199 01:13:07,371 --> 01:13:09,173 There's like nice-colored stout roughers. 1200 01:13:09,206 --> 01:13:13,578 And I think every lady needs a golden caliper. 1201 01:13:14,745 --> 01:13:16,213 Oh, yes. Thank you. 1202 01:13:16,246 --> 01:13:17,147 - Oh a shopping basket, there you go. 1203 01:13:17,181 --> 01:13:18,949 - I know. I'm gonna need a cart though. 1204 01:13:22,119 --> 01:13:26,457 - Even though we're the producers, uh it's magical for us. 1205 01:13:26,491 --> 01:13:27,157 - Oh, it is. 1206 01:13:28,358 --> 01:13:31,061 - Yeah we've been doing it for about 27 years. 1207 01:13:33,931 --> 01:13:37,034 It's just remarkable the effort 1208 01:13:37,067 --> 01:13:40,838 and time that each artist puts into their piece. 1209 01:13:40,938 --> 01:13:43,741 To look at 'em is just splitting hairs, 1210 01:13:43,774 --> 01:13:45,476 if you want to say -- 1211 01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:49,179 --to be able to determine which one is the best piece. 1212 01:13:58,889 --> 01:14:00,057 - When we're judging a show like this, 1213 01:14:00,090 --> 01:14:01,325 a lot of us are kinda old timers 1214 01:14:01,358 --> 01:14:03,928 that have been judging the show for many, many, many years. 1215 01:14:04,461 --> 01:14:07,097 I kinda started hearing people say well, you know, 1216 01:14:07,131 --> 01:14:09,667 a lot of these old timers couldn't compete today. 1217 01:14:09,700 --> 01:14:13,804 I wanted to see if I could still run with the big dogs. 1218 01:14:15,472 --> 01:14:18,442 I competed with this re-creation of a gorilla. 1219 01:14:18,475 --> 01:14:20,110 It's o-, 100% artificial. 1220 01:14:21,078 --> 01:14:24,181 That was pretty cool for me because I actually won 1221 01:14:24,214 --> 01:14:25,182 all the top awards. 1222 01:14:25,215 --> 01:14:26,784 I won Best of Show, I won People's Choice, 1223 01:14:26,817 --> 01:14:27,785 I won everything. 1224 01:14:31,522 --> 01:14:34,859 - Every once in a while, we'll have an individual come in 1225 01:14:34,892 --> 01:14:37,061 and I can immediately see 1226 01:14:37,094 --> 01:14:39,363 they're gonna be superstars quick. 1227 01:14:39,730 --> 01:14:43,133 And one of those was Travis de Villiers from South Africa. 1228 01:14:43,167 --> 01:14:47,638 He is one of the super talents at a very young age. 1229 01:14:47,672 --> 01:14:49,373 And Daniel Meng. 1230 01:14:49,406 --> 01:14:52,442 - Yeah he's a young competitor right now. He's, he's fiery. 1231 01:14:52,476 --> 01:14:54,845 He won last time for the first time, 1232 01:14:54,879 --> 01:14:57,014 his first Best in World. 1233 01:14:57,047 --> 01:14:58,415 He'll do it again too. 1234 01:15:01,451 --> 01:15:04,054 - The competition world can open the world to ya. 1235 01:15:04,088 --> 01:15:06,824 If you're good enough and you believe 1236 01:15:06,857 --> 01:15:09,293 that you can do something that the world needs to see, 1237 01:15:09,326 --> 01:15:11,629 then you have this venue to show it to them. 1238 01:15:17,668 --> 01:15:19,069 - Did you expect to win anything? 1239 01:15:19,103 --> 01:15:19,770 - No. 1240 01:15:28,979 --> 01:15:30,948 - We got a 95. 1241 01:15:31,315 --> 01:15:33,550 - And then to find a judge to get a critique and him 1242 01:15:33,584 --> 01:15:36,053 basically being like I have nothing to say. 1243 01:15:37,988 --> 01:15:38,923 I'm shaking. 1244 01:15:38,956 --> 01:15:40,691 Yeah it's been a great experience. 1245 01:15:40,725 --> 01:15:42,126 We worked our asses off. 1246 01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:43,160 - We did work our asses off. 1247 01:16:45,555 --> 01:16:47,692 - Africa moves to its own beat. 1248 01:16:50,427 --> 01:16:51,495 It's its way of life. 1249 01:16:51,528 --> 01:16:54,431 It's the rhythm it moves to, like nowhere else. 1250 01:16:59,670 --> 01:17:01,138 Being back into that rhythm now, 1251 01:17:01,171 --> 01:17:04,408 it's sort of put the world into perspective. 1252 01:17:20,725 --> 01:17:24,294 I needed to be back here to ground myself 1253 01:17:24,328 --> 01:17:25,930 back to who I am. 1254 01:17:34,071 --> 01:17:35,505 Africa is home. 1255 01:17:35,539 --> 01:17:40,577 It's where the animals that inspire me to do the work I do are. 1256 01:17:43,447 --> 01:17:47,351 I've always wanted to do work that's unique and dynamic. 1257 01:17:48,485 --> 01:17:51,521 I needed to take off and leave the nest completely, 1258 01:17:51,555 --> 01:17:55,492 and try to surround myself with the best people that I knew, 1259 01:17:55,525 --> 01:18:00,430 and by so doing, find that inspiration again to create art. 1260 01:18:05,169 --> 01:18:06,871 - We really want to work with Travis, 1261 01:18:06,904 --> 01:18:12,009 taking our point of view together with Travis's point of view 1262 01:18:12,042 --> 01:18:13,510 and his sculpting skills, 1263 01:18:13,543 --> 01:18:17,681 doing sort of a mix-up of Europe and Africa. 1264 01:18:21,085 --> 01:18:22,787 It's a very nice combination, 1265 01:18:22,820 --> 01:18:25,355 with the black and white of the guinea fowls, 1266 01:18:25,389 --> 01:18:27,524 and the white of the statues. 1267 01:18:28,225 --> 01:18:31,195 - Rotate it like this a little bit. Yeah. 1268 01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:35,532 It really started with the idea of using spears. 1269 01:18:35,565 --> 01:18:38,969 It's like when you make a sketch, 1270 01:18:39,003 --> 01:18:40,337 you make a composition, 1271 01:18:40,370 --> 01:18:44,074 first you start with lines to make a shape. 1272 01:18:44,108 --> 01:18:46,777 So then we thought if we use spears, 1273 01:18:46,811 --> 01:18:52,249 it would be a great way to make a big piece with small parts. 1274 01:18:52,282 --> 01:18:53,984 And it also has a story. 1275 01:18:54,018 --> 01:18:57,154 Bring spears back to Africa and working with an 1276 01:18:57,187 --> 01:18:59,924 African sculptor together in one piece. 1277 01:19:00,624 --> 01:19:02,392 We thought it would be nice. 1278 01:19:31,621 --> 01:19:33,190 - We're the invisible artist. 1279 01:19:34,191 --> 01:19:35,159 You shouldn't see us. 1280 01:19:35,192 --> 01:19:36,760 You should just see nature. 1281 01:19:38,128 --> 01:19:39,663 I'm always trying to educate. 1282 01:19:39,696 --> 01:19:41,932 And that's what I try to put into my work, 1283 01:19:41,966 --> 01:19:44,468 is those opportunities to tell a story. 1284 01:19:46,136 --> 01:19:48,939 And that's what's so great about doing things in museums 1285 01:19:48,973 --> 01:19:50,140 and nature centers, 1286 01:19:50,174 --> 01:19:54,211 is those stories are gonna be told so many times. 1287 01:19:55,712 --> 01:19:58,182 - It's funny, when you ask me what my profession is, 1288 01:19:58,215 --> 01:20:00,017 I still don't even think of it like that. 1289 01:20:00,050 --> 01:20:02,152 It's definitely a passion. 1290 01:20:03,487 --> 01:20:06,891 I remember going to these zoos, you know, and things would die. 1291 01:20:06,924 --> 01:20:09,726 And I just felt like ah it's such a waste, you know, 1292 01:20:09,759 --> 01:20:11,896 it's such a beautiful animal. It's so rare. 1293 01:20:11,929 --> 01:20:13,197 There's not very many of them. 1294 01:20:13,230 --> 01:20:16,566 The only other place you can see these are in museums. 1295 01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,536 So I feel like they need to be preserved somehow. 1296 01:20:22,639 --> 01:20:24,074 - I will actually retire from 1297 01:20:24,108 --> 01:20:26,076 the Milwaukee Public Museum next year. 1298 01:20:27,844 --> 01:20:29,246 For financial reasons, 1299 01:20:29,279 --> 01:20:31,481 the museum administration has uh 1300 01:20:31,515 --> 01:20:33,783 eliminated most of the exhibits department. 1301 01:20:33,817 --> 01:20:36,786 And I am part of the exhibits department. 1302 01:20:36,820 --> 01:20:40,090 It's really, really, really sad because it's gonna be an end of an era. 1303 01:20:41,058 --> 01:20:43,994 And I will have had 35 and a half years there. 1304 01:20:45,695 --> 01:20:47,764 Tim came up and gave me a big hug and he said 1305 01:20:47,797 --> 01:20:50,100 he didn't know he would be the last survivor. 1306 01:20:53,103 --> 01:20:55,272 - When I was a kid and I was reading books 1307 01:20:55,305 --> 01:20:57,574 and then trying to do taxidermy, 1308 01:20:57,607 --> 01:21:00,344 I told my parents that, you know, one day 1309 01:21:00,377 --> 01:21:02,446 I was gonna be working in a museum. 1310 01:21:05,182 --> 01:21:07,317 Most major museums had taxidermists, 1311 01:21:07,351 --> 01:21:10,254 say back in the '50s and '60s. 1312 01:21:10,287 --> 01:21:13,924 I got to walk through these halls as a kid and look at their work and admire it. 1313 01:21:15,392 --> 01:21:17,394 You know, I hope when the time comes 1314 01:21:17,427 --> 01:21:19,596 that I'm not gonna be here full-time anymore, 1315 01:21:19,629 --> 01:21:23,400 well there'll be somebody coming in to carry that legacy on. 1316 01:21:26,670 --> 01:21:31,208 - The individuals that are in taxidermy all have very unique talents. 1317 01:21:31,241 --> 01:21:34,178 You gotta know the animal. You've gotta know nature 1318 01:21:34,211 --> 01:21:35,512 You gotta know how they behave. 1319 01:21:36,346 --> 01:21:40,217 Being able to have the skillset to capture that is very rare. 1320 01:21:40,250 --> 01:21:44,421 You end up spending your entire life trying to do that. 1321 01:21:44,454 --> 01:21:47,757 But it makes for an interesting life. 1322 01:21:49,826 --> 01:21:53,263 - In art, a lot of people who use taxidermy for artwork, 1323 01:21:53,297 --> 01:21:55,232 they use it in a different way. 1324 01:21:55,265 --> 01:21:58,135 They want to shock people. 1325 01:21:58,168 --> 01:21:59,103 We are the opposite. 1326 01:21:59,136 --> 01:22:00,770 We want to emphasize the beauty of it, 1327 01:22:00,804 --> 01:22:03,140 because they are beautiful. 1328 01:22:04,975 --> 01:22:08,245 - When you skin an animal, it becomes material in a way. 1329 01:22:08,278 --> 01:22:11,515 But it's such beautiful material 1330 01:22:11,548 --> 01:22:13,083 and you know where it's from. 1331 01:22:13,117 --> 01:22:16,720 So give the credits where it belong: 1332 01:22:16,753 --> 01:22:18,122 in nature. 1333 01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:22,826 - Taxidermists just love animals. 1334 01:22:22,859 --> 01:22:27,998 We show people this little frozen bit of nature. 1335 01:22:29,633 --> 01:22:32,536 - We treat this as somewhat of a silent obsession, 1336 01:22:32,569 --> 01:22:36,273 re-creating the animal, breathing life into it. 1337 01:22:37,474 --> 01:22:40,377 - It's this connection that cannot be described. 1338 01:22:41,178 --> 01:22:43,713 - There's a little piece of us that goes into every single 1339 01:22:43,747 --> 01:22:44,714 mount we do. 1340 01:22:45,549 --> 01:22:48,452 - I get to make that golden eagle immortal. 1341 01:22:48,485 --> 01:22:50,954 I'm immortal in that too. 1342 01:22:50,987 --> 01:22:52,522 My passion is. 104766

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