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You know, you go around a
cocktail party,
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people say what
they do.
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At first they
think I'm joking.
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- It's somewhere between
a hobby and an addiction.
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Sculpting an animal is
intriguing, it's fascinating.
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- I was blown away by the beauty
of the material.
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- Taxidermists do what they do,
not because they see death.
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They do what they do because
they see life.
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I am definitely a bird addict.
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Birds are just so much fun
because I don't have to know the
pose before I finish the bird.
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It's playing, it's discovery.
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I just noticed he was doing this
funny little thing where his
head was tilted.
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And I actually
kinda really like it.
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I was like oh I think he wants
to tilt his head.
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Um I think he
wants to be kinda curious.
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This bird is a superb starling.
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And I just really like these
guys 'cause they're super
dynamic,
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and I can really do something
kinda fun and,
and funny with them.
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They have these big long legs
for this small bird,
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and these fun little pantaloons
that I want to make sure show.
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These are called
the tail coverts,
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these little white
tush feathers.
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I call it the tush plush.
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I like to make sure
that that looks good.
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Birds are design.
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They are dressed up.
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They look certain ways to
attract each other.
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And that is fashion.
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- I get to study nature.
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And that is the most satisfying
thing in the world.
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I'm from Zimbabwe,
as well as South Africa.
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The art of taxidermy is the
combination of being an artist
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and being a naturalist.
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You've got to understand how to
capture that expression.
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I started leaning
towards doing big cats.
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You know, the African lion,
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it's always sorta captivated me
since I was a child.
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You find a special bond with
wildlife and animals
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because you're viewing
them in a different light.
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It's an ongoing study.
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You, you,
you'll never get it right.
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It'll never look real.
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- We don't want
to duplicate nature;
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we just want to
make something unique.
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- All the stuff we work
with is all antiques.
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- We sort of make objects and
taxidermy is a part of it.
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It's not our main goal to
reproduce an animal.
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We just like to make cool stuff.
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We have a history
in art direction.
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And when we start learning the
craft of taxidermy,
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we that took into it.
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Instead of what you see in
normal taxidermy
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that it's all based on nature,
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we work after the
17th century painters,
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who sort of portraited these
animals in a way
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that all the features of those
really weird animals show.
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- The old masters,
when they make statues,
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when they portray a
guy picking an apple,
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he's not just doing this
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but he's doing the really fancy
pose, showing all his muscles.
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- That's more or less
what we try to do.
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- Showing off,
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- I don't really know what it is
that makes a person
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get interested in taxidermy.
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I, I think you're born with it.
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I was born in Switzerland.
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So I like to think of myself
more as a Swiss taxidermist.
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I actually started doing
taxidermy when I
was eight years old.
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So I've been doing it
for 15 years now.
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My parents put up with a lot.
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They threatened to make me quit
taxidermy several times
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cause it was just overwhelming.
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I was always just
obsessed with leopards
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Leopards have been
my lifelong addiction.
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I pretty much raised cubs, like
grew up around leopards,
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black leopards, spotted
leopards.
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Working at the museum, I had my
hands on snow leopards,
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Persian leopards, and more
leopards, clouded leopards.
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It's one thing to call yourself
a taxidermist when you're a kid,
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but when you can say you're
working at a museum,
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it just changes everything.
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- To me, natural history museums
have always been where it's at.
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They're hallowed ground.
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They're beautiful, studious,
artistic places.
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I had a corporate job in
marketing,
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working on computers
all day long.
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But I really wanted
to learn taxidermy.
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I went to Montana,
took my vacation,
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went to taxidermy school.
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You know, it's just a couple
week program,
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but I really loved it.
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And got back and was like that
was awesome.
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Now what do I do
with any of that?
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And so I looked up who was doing
taxidermy at the museum.
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And I happened upon Tim.
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- I work at the Natural History
Museum of Los Angeles County.
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Been here for the last 32 years.
I am the staff taxidermist.
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- You know, if I could take him
and put him in a diorama
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to keep for all time,
I would.
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I feel like he's that special.
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- She managed to hunt me down,
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figured out how to
get ahold of me.
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- I just started showing
up every day.
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I still had
my marketing job.
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So I would go from 6 am to 9:30
Monday through Friday,
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and I would volunteer with Tim.
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I remember one day I went to
work and I had mountain lion
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blood on my work shirt.
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So I just told people
it was coffee,
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but I really wanted to tell
people the truth
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'cause I was so proud of it.
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I kinda knew then that that's
what I should be doing.
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So I quit my marketing job and I
volunteered there full-time.
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And I was so much happier.
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After Allis had worked for me
the second year,
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she said, you
know, I have sorta this dream.
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- I'm the owner of
Prey Taxidermy.
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We are located in
Los Angeles, California.
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Certainly not the usual place
for a taxidermy studio.
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- When she told me she
was gonna open her studio
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Downtown Los Angeles
in the Art District,
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I'm like oh really?
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Something I couldn't imagine.
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But once again,
Allis could imagine.
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And it di-, it's worked.
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Madison's worked with me since
the Natural History Museum.
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You know, we're both apprentices
of Tim Bovard.
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- Prior to Allis and Madison,
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most of my volunteers really
didn't have an interest
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in working with dead stuff.
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- Right now, I am
skinning an ermine.
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And uh it's
fairly delicate work.
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I've never actually skinned one
of these, but I have 11 to do.
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laughs] So I'm sure I'll become
very familiar with them.
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Skinning is truly my favorite
part of this whole process
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I love seeing the insides and
the anatomy of things.
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Me and Allis are definitely
museum trained.
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We pay more attention
to making the final mount
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be more true to
what the animal was in life.
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- Based on the education
that Tim gave me,
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I mean that was free art school.
That was free history.
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That was free science.
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You know, and he's a zoologist.
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And then that's
the viewpoint that I got.
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- To be the best, to really do
really high level work,
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you can't be willing to settle.
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You need to be able to look at
something and go
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this could be better or how
could I do that better?
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You do have to be nuts,
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and not just because you're
playing with dead things.
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You have to be a special kind
of obsessive compulsive
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uh mixed
with an artist sensibility.
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That's where you get that idea
of the, the tortured artist,
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you know?
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Maybe you do end
up like Van Gogh
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and cut off your
ear or whatever.
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But to be fair, a taxidermist,
if we cut off our ear,
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at least we'd make
something out of it.
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- We were fed up with
advertising because in the end,
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you're not the boss
over your own work.
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In the end, somebody
who pays will say
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no I want to change this
and I want you to do that.
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So when we started this,
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it was the first thing we
sort of agreed on.
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We're gonna do exactly what we
think is good,
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and we're gonna take as
much time as it needs,
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as much money as it needs.
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Then we come up with a price,
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and then we will see if somebody
wants to pay for it.
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So it was a big gamble.
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- Our work works best in
a great environment.
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So when the museum called,
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we were thrilled because it was
just the right place.
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The exhibit is called Tier,
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which is the German
word for animal
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The whole exhibition is in this
beautiful house.
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We photographed all the
rooms in the house
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and see what'll
work for each room.
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One of the themes of when they
build houses like this was to
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incorporate nature
into the house.
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- They loved flowers,
they loved animals.
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It was a big thing in
that time.
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You think they
need a dramatic pose
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to show that they are talking to
each other. So you have to...
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- Yes.
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- The lines like this,
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he's looking at him and he's
looking there.
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- It's all about expressions,
this one.
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This is like sort of catwalk,
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parading in their
poses and the colors,
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being as fancy as possible.
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What painters use to make
stories in paint,
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we use the taxidermy for.
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And it's like what you normally
see with taxidermists,
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making a little story
out of nature,
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but more like a fairytale.
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We put an extra large jaw in a
lower jaw just to emphasize
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the greed he has on the eye.
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He caught one.
That's not enough.
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He's totally focused on the one
who got away.
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When we made his mouth bigger,
you feel more that he wants it.
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A traditional taxidermist
would never do that.
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Yeah he would measure
it and he would say
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this can't be anything else.
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But for us,
it helps for the story.
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- Growing up in Ohio,
being homeschooled
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let me have a
lot of free time off.
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So I did a lot of
hunting and trapping
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and photographing
nature in the woods.
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Neither of my parents hunted or
really even had any pets
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I mean just not
really animal lovers.
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So I was really the
black sheep in the family.
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My first passion was
always live animals.
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My mom tells this story where I
was like five years old
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and she took me
to the Cleveland Museum.
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And she said I started crying
and wanted to go to the zoo
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because everything
there was dead.
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And now I go
to the zoo and I'm like I,
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I might get my hands on
you when you die.
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This'll be the fourth black
leopard I've worked on
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and it's by far the best one.
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Isn't that beautiful?
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Most people never even heard of
a black leopard before.
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That's kinda what the whole
point of this right now is,
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to preserve it and have it end
up in a museum,
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so that people can enjoy it and
see it, and learn from it.
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My grandpa had a
private zoo here in Ohio.
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He rescued a bunch of animals.
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And he had this one
for like 17 years.
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It's really neat having leopards
when you're a kid growing up,
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on your grandpa's zoo, and you
can just watch 'em.
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There's these little flaps on
either side of the claw
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that need to be opened up.
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That's what gives it that really
awesome look.
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I think this is when my parents
started to get a little worried.
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I'd get on my bike and I would
ride around town
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and look for roadkill.
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And I still have a vivid me-,
I'm like six, seven years old,
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and I remember being kind of
embarrassed about it.
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So I'd make sure, like I would
wait sometimes half an hour.
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Like I'd just ride back and
forth down the street
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'til there were no cars around.
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Like I didn't want any
witnesses.
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And as soon as there
was a break in traffic,
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I'd like jump off my bike, like
put some gloves on,
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throw this thing in a bag,
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and then ride to the woods
somewhere, bury it,
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and just like put a rock there,
and come back,
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you know,
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couple months later and dig it
up, clean all the bones.
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When I made the transition
into taxidermy,
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I was like eight and a half,
going on nine.
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and that's when I
took everything home
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and started doing it in the
basement.
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I saw one of my mom's
friends pulling her aside
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and like whispering
in her ear like
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this kid needs like
professional help.
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When I was 14,
I got involved with
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the Cleveland Museum
of Natural History.
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And that really like opened up a
floodgate of doors.
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Shortly after that,
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I started traveling
around the country,
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working with different
taxidermists.
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Traveled and worked in
37 different shops
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now in five countries.
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So I just had this amazing
opportunity to work
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with so many
different talented artists,
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and really learn a lot.
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To do really good
taxidermy from start to finish,
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I mean you have
to know everything
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from like a scientific
collecting viewpoint.
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You have to start
with a real living animal.
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That's the first thing
about taxidermy.
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And once it dies,
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you have a pretty
short window of opportunity
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to do good quality
taxidermy on it.
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The actual physical act of
taking the animal apart,
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skinning and preserving and
fleshing and salting
and tanning.
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That's where they actually
chemically alter
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skin into actual leather,
like this.
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This is 100% leather
with fur on it.
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And then once it's tanned, you
gotta have a form to put it on.
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The form is like a taxidermy
mannequin of the animal.
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This here is a form for this
leopard head.
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And I sculpted it starting with
a real leopard skull.
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Then you basically
glue, pin, adjust,
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taxi the skin
over the sculpture.
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It's an awesome feeling
to walk out into nature
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and see an animal
and it tips over dead,
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and you can take it
from that very moment
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'til it's on display
in a museum.
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And you do every single thing,
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even making the eyeballs,
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casting your own teeth.
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It's definitely art.
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- The art of taxidermy, to me,
it's not so much having animals
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in these weird
and fantastic poses
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and moving and
jumping and leaping.
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And that's different.
That's creative.
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That's telling a story.
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But the art of
taxidermy is to do all
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of that but highly
accurately.
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What we're starting to see in
today's day and age
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is a lot more artistic
work being created.
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And that hasn't quite reached
the shores of Africa yet.
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I'm here in the States
for a few months,
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traveling around
and visiting museums,
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working on special projects with
colleagues and friends of mine.
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It's inspiring to
meet these people.
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They're so knowledgeable
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about all these different
parts of the industry.
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It's humbling just
to sit and watch.
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In South Africa,
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we didn't really have
specialized products that
come from the States.
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So you just sort of
compromise by figuring out
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alternative ways of doing it
using product that you can
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pick up at a hardware store.
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A lot of what I've learned is
sort of self-taught.
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I walked out of high school and
I stepped straight into a job.
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I started just at the bottom.
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By just observation, you learn
how to do the basics.
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A lot of it came from
instruction from magazines
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and things like that.
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And I was wondering why our work
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never looked as good
as in the catalogues.
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And it hit me that the forms
that they're using
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have all this detail sculpted
into them, and ours didn't.
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I picked up some clay
and took a skull
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and started putting back the
muscles onto the face
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and onto the head.
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It was just very trial and
error-based.
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Thinking back,
you know, South Africa,
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I always wondered what is it
gonna be like, you know,
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when you get to see these halls
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with these great
animals everywhere.
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And uh it's magical.
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Some of those dioramas,
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the actual scenery
that they're portraying
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has been developed or destroyed.
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So they're almost like
little time capsules.
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- Vanderbilt had the ultimate
cabinet of curiosity.
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This grand mansion is filled
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with just these incredible
pieces of taxidermy, dioramas.
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You cannot replace taxidermy
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as a tool for learning about
nature and natural history.
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One of the greatest
things we like to see
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is when kids walk up to the
glass on the dioramas,
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you know, wow, do, are they,
are they really this big?
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You know, do they
really look like that?
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Is the hair really that texture?
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You can't get that
from anything else.
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Taxidermy is an art form.
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So you're going to
see this really broad
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variety of taxidermy quality.
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In natural history museums, I
think it must be
scientifically accurate.
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In my opinion, you must
still be a field naturalist.
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You're really recreating these
animals i-, in a scientific way.
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Taxidermy is a
wonderful tool for
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archiving a species
that no longer exists.
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Lonesome George was the
last Pinta Island tortoise.
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He was uh living in
captivity for 40 years
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on the Darwin Research Center
on Galapagos.
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They did everything they could
to try to get him to reproduce
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and it just never happened.
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He unfortunately died.
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And w-, they decided
quickly at that time
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that they wanted to
preserve George.
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It was absolutely a,
a dream come true experience.
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To work with these people
just opened my eyes
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to the effort that goes into
protecting a species.
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I mean we dealt with people that
were studying him for 40 years.
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You know, they would
talk to you,
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and they would say things like
well, well George would,
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would do this on certain days,
or he held his head this way.
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Or when he was happy
to see you, he acted like this.
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When he didn't want
to be disturbed.
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You're dealing with,
with um a personality.
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This needed to be more
than a taxidermy piece.
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This was rebuilding a subject
that everyone knew intimately.
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They knew every
wrinkle on George.
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I said to myself
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if I screw this up, this'll be
the last piece I ever do.
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To see the people from Galapagos
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come to New York
when he was on exhibit
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and see him for the first time
with tears in their eyes
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was just the most
emotional thing for me.
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And I got a little gift from
George's keeper.
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He carved this little tortoise
out of local wood
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and sent it up here
to give to me
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And I held it that night, and
I'm like this is like my Oscar.
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This is as good as it gets.
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We get so involved
in these pieces.
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It's this pouring out of
everything, every fiber
of your being.
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You're feeling the highs,
the lows, the anxiety,
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every emotion you could
possibly go through as an artist
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being poured into this piece,
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and hopefully this euphoric
moment at the end.
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In this studio that you sit in,
I've spilled my blood,
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my sweat,
and my tears, literally.
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And, and that's okay. And,
and I'm, I'm good with that.
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00:26:04,251 --> 00:26:06,787
Because every time I get
to that point where I think
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00:26:06,820 --> 00:26:10,090
I've been completely broken,
I think of Akeley.
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I think of Akeley, what he's
gone through, what he's done.
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00:26:12,492 --> 00:26:14,728
And then you just pick yourself
up and you just keep going.
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00:26:17,097 --> 00:26:21,068
Carl Akeley. He's the
father of modern taxidermy.
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00:26:21,501 --> 00:26:25,172
- I think I first found
out about Carl Akeley
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00:26:25,205 --> 00:26:26,473
when I was doing research.
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00:26:26,506 --> 00:26:29,242
Some article or book I was
reading, it mentioned this,
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00:26:29,276 --> 00:26:31,779
the famous taxidermist,
Carl Akeley,
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who had once strangled a
leopard with his bare hands.
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And so I made a little note
to look into that later.
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I realized that there
was more than enough
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for a whole book on him.
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I mean the thing that
intrigued me the most was
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like oh this is a great story
about an artist,
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00:26:46,459 --> 00:26:49,296
just going to that much
trouble being that obsessed.
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00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:52,265
- Carl Akeley was
the man who said
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we need to really
elevate this art form
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from creating these animals
with mediocre anatomy
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into these great sculptures.
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The American Museum
of Natural History,
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00:27:10,650 --> 00:27:12,686
where he has the Hall
of African Mammals,
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00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,124
you know, he created a
monumental piece of art.
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00:27:17,157 --> 00:27:18,458
It would take three
or four years
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to work on one
elephant at a time.
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00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:24,131
- To read about Akeley
from the time I was a child,
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00:27:24,164 --> 00:27:26,133
that work in the American
Museum of Natural History
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00:27:26,166 --> 00:27:27,467
was always my inspiration.
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He was basically the
first one to really create
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00:27:30,971 --> 00:27:33,941
this clay sculpted form of the
anatomy of the animal,
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and use that as the
mannequin for the piece.
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00:27:38,411 --> 00:27:40,647
- I think my first impression
of Akeley was as,
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00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,152
it was like a Tim Burton kind of
character, you know,
like morbid and dark.
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00:27:45,185 --> 00:27:48,889
Johnny Depp would be like the
perfect Akeley,
just kind of zany.
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00:27:48,922 --> 00:27:53,160
I loved the preposterous
amount of work
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00:27:53,193 --> 00:27:56,596
that he had to go
to to make his work.
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00:27:56,629 --> 00:28:00,333
- You know, you're literally
traveling to Africa in 1900,
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00:28:00,367 --> 00:28:01,568
which is like a ship ride.
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00:28:01,601 --> 00:28:03,303
And then once he would be there,
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00:28:03,336 --> 00:28:07,240
he would have a small army of
painters and sculptors
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00:28:07,274 --> 00:28:10,410
and then like 150
native African porters
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00:28:10,443 --> 00:28:12,645
carrying tons of their
equipment with them,
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00:28:12,679 --> 00:28:14,181
just so he could do his art.
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00:28:15,849 --> 00:28:18,018
Any animal he would kill,
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00:28:18,051 --> 00:28:20,353
he was trying to work like a
scientist and an artist,
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00:28:20,387 --> 00:28:22,155
and he was incredibly meticulous
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00:28:22,189 --> 00:28:24,657
about all the measurements
and sketching.
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00:28:24,691 --> 00:28:27,995
And then he would make
these little clay maquettes.
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00:28:30,063 --> 00:28:31,999
Prior to Akeley,
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a diorama might just be the
animal inside the box.
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00:28:36,503 --> 00:28:40,073
He had the finest
landscape painters
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00:28:40,107 --> 00:28:42,910
that were alive at the time to
paint the backgrounds.
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00:28:42,943 --> 00:28:46,914
And those painters themselves
would go on these
infinite expeditions,
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00:28:46,947 --> 00:28:52,485
recreating the plants and
getting the exact
species of flora.
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00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:58,758
During that period,
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00:28:58,792 --> 00:29:01,761
part of the big shift in
conservation has to do with
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00:29:01,795 --> 00:29:05,398
scientists' revelation
about ecology,
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00:29:05,432 --> 00:29:07,000
and what that term really means,
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00:29:07,034 --> 00:29:09,236
which is that everything
is interrelated.
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00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:12,372
Habitat became just as
important as the animal.
461
00:29:14,541 --> 00:29:16,543
- To get that leaf to
really look like a leaf,
462
00:29:16,576 --> 00:29:20,247
or to get that rock to really
look like a real rock,
463
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,749
you really gotta know
what that rock looks like.
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00:29:22,782 --> 00:29:25,085
When we do a diorama here,
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00:29:25,118 --> 00:29:27,554
we want it to be that
particular place.
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00:29:29,957 --> 00:29:32,993
- The museum where I work,
Carl Akeley started there.
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00:29:33,026 --> 00:29:35,262
So we have what
some people consider
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00:29:35,295 --> 00:29:37,630
the world's first diorama.
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00:29:37,664 --> 00:29:38,866
We have the muskrat group.
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00:29:38,899 --> 00:29:42,135
It was done in 1890 and it
was innovative at the time.
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00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:44,637
They had a cutaway view
of the underwater house.
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00:29:45,873 --> 00:29:49,576
I am the only full-time
taxidermist in a museum,
473
00:29:49,609 --> 00:29:52,512
with the exception of Tim
Bovard, that I am aware of.
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00:29:52,545 --> 00:29:55,515
There's over 5000 mounted
animals in our museum.
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00:29:55,548 --> 00:29:58,251
So it's really a fun job
because I'm never bored.
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00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:01,488
I started the job when I was 19.
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00:30:04,858 --> 00:30:08,461
I just want to try to share my
love for nature
with other people,
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00:30:08,495 --> 00:30:10,998
and have people appreciate
the animals as much as I do.
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00:30:13,233 --> 00:30:16,803
A lot of people that
are my age or older
480
00:30:16,836 --> 00:30:19,406
started with the Northwestern
School of Taxidermy
481
00:30:19,439 --> 00:30:21,041
correspondence course by mail.
482
00:30:21,074 --> 00:30:23,776
And we did that because
there wasn't much out there.
483
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:26,646
There was not videotapes.
There was not seminars
484
00:30:26,679 --> 00:30:30,817
Taxidermy was a tight-lipped
closed community.
485
00:30:30,850 --> 00:30:32,819
Nobody told
anybody their secrets.
486
00:30:33,186 --> 00:30:36,489
Now, it's this wonderful
sharing of information.
487
00:30:36,523 --> 00:30:38,926
Competitions have
just opened that field up.
488
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:50,537
- We come together for
competitions, which are our
conference.
489
00:30:50,570 --> 00:30:53,473
And everyone's just so
excited to meet each other.
490
00:30:54,274 --> 00:30:57,344
We all live in these
different far-flung places.
491
00:30:57,377 --> 00:31:00,180
So we're the oddballs,
we're the outcasts,
492
00:31:00,213 --> 00:31:01,481
we're the weird ones, right.
493
00:31:02,115 --> 00:31:05,352
- Uh yeah go into a bar
and try and pick up a girl
494
00:31:05,385 --> 00:31:07,687
uh and then you tell
them you're a taxidermist.
495
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,522
You get some weird reactions.
496
00:31:09,556 --> 00:31:14,127
You get anything from you do
taxes to uh that's
really creepy,
497
00:31:14,161 --> 00:31:17,030
or you get the ones that lie
and are like no it's not
creepy at all.
498
00:31:17,064 --> 00:31:19,299
Um and then in the
back of their mind,
499
00:31:19,332 --> 00:31:20,968
they're like this guy
could be Ted Bundy.
500
00:31:22,235 --> 00:31:24,371
- I'm a 3D wildlife artist.
501
00:31:24,404 --> 00:31:27,107
That goes over a lot better on
the first date than being like
502
00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:30,310
yeah I stuff dead things.
503
00:31:31,044 --> 00:31:33,246
- It ' s hard to get away
from the stereotypes.
504
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,950
This is not embalming.
This is not a dried head.
505
00:31:37,417 --> 00:31:39,219
- People love to talk
about Psycho,
506
00:31:39,252 --> 00:31:41,621
you know,
507
00:31:42,122 --> 00:31:44,124
- Obviously everyone
thinks, you know,
508
00:31:44,157 --> 00:31:46,926
a taxidermist is,
you know, a big guy,
509
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,663
older, wearing camo, beard,
510
00:31:50,697 --> 00:31:53,033
with a bloodlust of some kind,
511
00:31:53,066 --> 00:31:54,267
you know,
512
00:31:54,301 --> 00:31:56,369
and a bunch of dead deer and
stuff in the back of his truck.
513
00:31:56,469 --> 00:31:59,939
And while you'll certainly find
people who look like that,
514
00:31:59,973 --> 00:32:04,111
if you talk to 'em for just a
minute, they're an artist,
515
00:32:04,144 --> 00:32:07,014
and they're people that you
wouldn't think in a
million years
516
00:32:07,047 --> 00:32:09,616
would be my friends,
but they are.
517
00:32:11,118 --> 00:32:14,988
- You find people from all walks
of life and from all over the
world,
518
00:32:15,022 --> 00:32:18,591
and we have this really
closely knit community
519
00:32:18,625 --> 00:32:23,496
of eccentric weirdos that
like to recreate nature.
520
00:32:24,031 --> 00:32:25,865
- As you can see,
the hocks go in.
521
00:32:25,898 --> 00:32:29,002
So now I'm kinda
following that line there.
522
00:32:29,836 --> 00:32:32,605
- When you go to these shows,
the seminars are just fantastic.
523
00:32:32,639 --> 00:32:35,942
I like to teach a lot of
uh the fundamentals
524
00:32:35,975 --> 00:32:38,578
of the work, and building
something from nothing.
525
00:32:39,312 --> 00:32:40,947
So what I'm doing is
I want to feel here wi-,
526
00:32:40,980 --> 00:32:42,615
I'm gonna drop the scapulas down
527
00:32:42,649 --> 00:32:45,185
and I'm gonna feel underneath
where the spine'll be sitting.
528
00:32:46,553 --> 00:32:47,620
The animal's dead, now what?
529
00:32:47,654 --> 00:32:48,921
You know, what do
you do with it?
530
00:32:49,356 --> 00:32:51,591
You ' ve gotta try and
create an attitude
531
00:32:51,624 --> 00:32:54,661
with the body that tells the
story you're trying to create.
532
00:32:55,795 --> 00:32:57,364
It ' s gonna freeze.
533
00:32:57,397 --> 00:32:59,666
It's gonna start getting
stiffer as it freezes.
534
00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:06,273
- When I get to
go to a competition,
535
00:33:06,306 --> 00:33:08,708
it gives me that
chance to learn again.
536
00:33:10,009 --> 00:33:13,313
You know, I really wasn't part
of the taxidermy
community before.
537
00:33:13,346 --> 00:33:15,482
So I met all these
amazing people
538
00:33:15,515 --> 00:33:18,518
that were so eager
to share knowledge.
539
00:33:18,785 --> 00:33:20,720
- I tend to use
products that you can pick
540
00:33:20,753 --> 00:33:22,655
up in any hardware
store for very cheap,
541
00:33:22,689 --> 00:33:26,326
harvesting as much information
from that specimen as possible
542
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:28,928
and recreating that
to bring it to life.
543
00:33:29,762 --> 00:33:32,265
- Competitions have made
quite a huge difference
544
00:33:32,299 --> 00:33:34,301
in the quality of taxidermy.
545
00:33:34,334 --> 00:33:37,036
It's just amazing the
leaps and bounds
546
00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:39,172
when people start sharing.
547
00:33:39,206 --> 00:33:41,574
- Overall visual
appearance and attitude.
548
00:33:41,608 --> 00:33:43,610
- Overall vi-, is, is very good.
549
00:33:43,643 --> 00:33:45,812
- This is how I learned
a lot competing,
550
00:33:45,845 --> 00:33:48,381
was following the judges around.
551
00:33:48,415 --> 00:33:49,949
When, when we
have the critiquing,
552
00:33:49,982 --> 00:33:51,284
I think that's probably
553
00:33:51,318 --> 00:33:52,985
where I have learned
more than anything.
554
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,888
- I have been a taxidermist
for a lot of years,
555
00:33:55,922 --> 00:33:57,690
professionally for almost 40.
556
00:33:57,724 --> 00:34:00,360
So I do a lot of traveling
around and, and judging,
557
00:34:00,393 --> 00:34:03,163
designing product
and things like that.
558
00:34:03,263 --> 00:34:05,865
You can put uh neck
rolls slightly overdone.
559
00:34:06,266 --> 00:34:08,701
The competition taxidermy world
can get you the attention,
560
00:34:08,735 --> 00:34:09,702
if you're good enough.
561
00:34:10,870 --> 00:34:13,340
If you're able to put those
pieces together and win,
562
00:34:13,373 --> 00:34:14,774
uh you can create a brand,
you know.
563
00:34:14,807 --> 00:34:17,009
And then they want you
for sculpting product.
564
00:34:17,043 --> 00:34:19,946
This is that blue foam that's
a floatation billet foam.
565
00:34:19,979 --> 00:34:22,249
I carve whole bears
out of it all the time.
566
00:34:22,282 --> 00:34:24,717
So you can see that
we've got a good start to our,
567
00:34:24,751 --> 00:34:26,686
our template for our mannequin.
568
00:34:27,987 --> 00:34:30,823
I specialize in mostly
life-size displays,
569
00:34:30,857 --> 00:34:33,193
like bears, wolves,
and big things.
570
00:34:33,226 --> 00:34:37,430
Re-creations as well,
re-creations of extinct animals,
571
00:34:37,464 --> 00:34:39,266
rare endangered animals.
572
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:41,468
In re-creations,
573
00:34:41,501 --> 00:34:44,571
you can use any kinda
materials to create an animal,
574
00:34:44,604 --> 00:34:47,774
as long as the materials are
not from that animal itself.
575
00:34:48,741 --> 00:34:49,976
When I did the panda bear,
576
00:34:50,009 --> 00:34:52,379
that was the first time I won a
World Taxidermy Championship
577
00:34:52,412 --> 00:34:53,646
with a re-creation.
578
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,383
That was when I realized that I
was kind of onto something.
579
00:34:56,416 --> 00:34:58,751
I'm interested
580
00:34:58,785 --> 00:35:01,120
in knowing where the limits
are to what I can do.
581
00:35:30,783 --> 00:35:32,719
- Staub. Dust.
582
00:35:33,653 --> 00:35:36,289
These are 17th century frames.
583
00:35:36,323 --> 00:35:38,658
We tried to add
a classical touch
584
00:35:38,691 --> 00:35:40,893
to the more modern images.
585
00:35:43,696 --> 00:35:45,965
It's actually a
part of the process.
586
00:35:45,998 --> 00:35:48,801
After you skin the animal,
you have to wash it.
587
00:35:53,373 --> 00:35:55,041
And that's at a certain point,
588
00:35:55,074 --> 00:35:58,845
we saw what sort of
romantic feeling it got.
589
00:36:01,248 --> 00:36:02,949
It's sort of a water ballet.
590
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:54,166
- Mandy.
591
00:36:55,167 --> 00:36:56,569
- Yeah these are mainly males,
I think, yeah.
592
00:36:57,570 --> 00:36:59,138
Are these all stomachs?
593
00:36:59,171 --> 00:37:00,973
Yeah, this is a cow stomach.
594
00:37:01,641 --> 00:37:03,843
I wonder how she does this.
595
00:37:04,411 --> 00:37:07,013
- I heard she's
totally grossed out by it,
596
00:37:07,046 --> 00:37:10,517
but she has to make it.
597
00:37:11,918 --> 00:37:15,254
Can't imagine, yeah.
Maybe it's inside out.
598
00:37:15,588 --> 00:37:18,224
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah it's ins-, yeah.
599
00:37:18,257 --> 00:37:21,193
It's inside out.
This is all the receptors.
600
00:37:24,030 --> 00:37:25,698
Is he a cow?
601
00:37:27,667 --> 00:37:29,336
Are you inside out?
602
00:38:10,643 --> 00:38:15,482
I'm opening the stomach so
I can see the intestines.
603
00:38:17,484 --> 00:38:22,522
I take the whole gill and
the intestines out of the fish.
604
00:38:23,723 --> 00:38:27,827
It is um interesting and
disgusting at the
same time actually.
605
00:38:32,198 --> 00:38:34,901
Now I'm trying to open
the head of the fish,
606
00:38:34,934 --> 00:38:36,769
so you can see the gills.
607
00:38:36,803 --> 00:38:40,540
And then I try to uh yeah
take the gills out with a,
608
00:38:40,573 --> 00:38:41,240
with a knife.
609
00:38:42,609 --> 00:38:45,978
First I was working on
um on the stomachs.
610
00:38:46,012 --> 00:38:48,381
In the garden of my parents,
611
00:38:48,415 --> 00:38:54,421
I built a really primitive um uh
tannery with, with barrels.
612
00:38:54,454 --> 00:38:58,425
And I start with uh recipes
from the Eskimos,
613
00:38:58,458 --> 00:39:00,560
like um [laughs] urine.
614
00:39:01,894 --> 00:39:05,565
And my mom was asking why
are you drinking so much?
615
00:39:05,598 --> 00:39:09,869
And I said I have to fill the
whole bo-, barrel today.
616
00:39:12,939 --> 00:39:15,141
Animal intestines can be uh
617
00:39:15,174 --> 00:39:19,479
beautiful when you
treat it and it's finished,
618
00:39:19,512 --> 00:39:22,148
and it's so, yeah
it's so beautiful.
619
00:39:22,982 --> 00:39:27,286
I'm also eating the fish.
So it's like uh up-cycling,
620
00:39:27,319 --> 00:39:29,489
making better use
of the materials.
621
00:39:35,027 --> 00:39:39,632
So now I'm placing the, the
dried gill on the, the stand.
622
00:39:43,369 --> 00:39:46,573
I put uh the name of the fish,
623
00:39:46,606 --> 00:39:51,043
like the scientific displays
in a natural museum.
624
00:40:07,994 --> 00:40:11,363
What I like about nature
is that it's moving,
625
00:40:11,397 --> 00:40:16,302
it's uh growing,
and I'm also part of nature.
626
00:40:16,335 --> 00:40:21,874
And um when I'm outside,
um I don't know, it just,
627
00:40:21,908 --> 00:40:25,678
you just feel more alive or
something with the wind
in your hair,
628
00:40:25,712 --> 00:40:29,148
and with all those
animals around you.
629
00:40:39,626 --> 00:40:43,429
- I saw a picture in a textbook
of a diaphonized mouse.
630
00:40:43,462 --> 00:40:47,534
I just thought that was the most
beautiful and fascinating thing.
631
00:40:47,567 --> 00:40:49,736
And when I couldn't
purchase one,
632
00:40:49,769 --> 00:40:52,438
being a scientist
and a crazy person,
633
00:40:52,471 --> 00:40:54,173
I decided to make them myself.
634
00:40:55,942 --> 00:40:58,645
They basically feel like giant
gummy bears with bones.
635
00:40:58,745 --> 00:40:59,979
- Will it move though?
636
00:41:00,012 --> 00:41:04,584
Yeah. You can still see the
cartilage in the nasal cavity.
637
00:41:05,852 --> 00:41:08,154
And then if you take it
out and you're delicate--
638
00:41:10,089 --> 00:41:10,923
Yeah hold the jar.
639
00:41:10,957 --> 00:41:15,327
You can see it's a little bit--
- Yeah.
640
00:41:15,361 --> 00:41:16,896
--stiff but it's
like a gummy bear.
641
00:41:16,929 --> 00:41:19,766
- And the little tongue inside.
- Mm-hmm.
642
00:41:22,769 --> 00:41:23,903
- It's an old technique.
643
00:41:23,936 --> 00:41:27,339
I did not invent the technique
for diaphonization.
644
00:41:28,608 --> 00:41:31,310
You use chemistry in
order to highlight
645
00:41:31,343 --> 00:41:33,479
the underlying structures
of the animal,
646
00:41:33,512 --> 00:41:37,850
the cartilage and the bones, and
then alter the refractive index,
647
00:41:37,884 --> 00:41:40,553
or the way that light works with
the skin and muscle,
648
00:41:40,587 --> 00:41:41,988
so it becomes transparent.
649
00:41:44,591 --> 00:41:47,059
I'm trying to look a little
deeper than just the skin
650
00:41:47,093 --> 00:41:50,029
and see the underlying
tissue that really show
651
00:41:50,062 --> 00:41:52,131
how an animal interacted
with the world,
652
00:41:52,164 --> 00:41:55,301
or uh what they came from even.
653
00:41:57,236 --> 00:41:59,238
It was a very strange creature.
It looks like a snake,
654
00:41:59,271 --> 00:42:02,775
but it's actually
a type of skink.
655
00:42:02,809 --> 00:42:08,948
And if you look closely, you
can see this is the sternum,
656
00:42:08,981 --> 00:42:12,985
and where the arms would
attach, and then this is tail.
657
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,989
And then down here,
where it kind of opens up,
658
00:42:17,023 --> 00:42:19,191
that is the pelvis.
659
00:42:19,225 --> 00:42:22,261
And the vestigial hind
legs are still there.
660
00:42:22,294 --> 00:42:25,431
You can see the tiny bits
of bone that are inside it.
661
00:42:26,565 --> 00:42:27,834
At first glance,
662
00:42:27,867 --> 00:42:31,403
most people would assume this
slithering creature is a snake.
663
00:42:31,437 --> 00:42:33,706
But if you know what's
underneath the skin,
664
00:42:33,740 --> 00:42:35,007
there's so much more to it.
665
00:42:47,019 --> 00:42:49,455
- I've always had such a
connection with nature
666
00:42:49,488 --> 00:42:51,057
and I've always
considered myself
667
00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:53,926
like kind of an old-fashioned
naturalist, you know,
668
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,562
like the gentleman
adventurer or something.
669
00:42:59,465 --> 00:43:01,768
There's a woodpecker up on that.
Do you see him?
670
00:43:01,868 --> 00:43:03,402
- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
671
00:43:03,435 --> 00:43:07,674
We're watching nature so much.
We're out in nature so much.
672
00:43:07,707 --> 00:43:10,376
And I think the thing that so
attracts me to taxidermy
673
00:43:10,409 --> 00:43:12,745
is it's both a science
and an art.
674
00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:16,683
If I take a picture
of my nail polish
675
00:43:16,716 --> 00:43:18,317
next to whatever
I'm trying to match,
676
00:43:18,350 --> 00:43:20,386
if I know that this
color is correct,
677
00:43:20,419 --> 00:43:22,388
then I know how to
match that color.
678
00:43:23,455 --> 00:43:26,893
And this'll be my little rock
with the lichen on it.
679
00:43:29,696 --> 00:43:31,597
When I work on a piece,
680
00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:35,101
that piece should tell
a story about nature.
681
00:43:35,134 --> 00:43:37,269
It should inspire people.
682
00:43:37,369 --> 00:43:38,871
- No. I think it's a
ladder back.
683
00:43:38,905 --> 00:43:39,706
- It's a ladder back.
684
00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:43,109
It's not just about
identifying something,
685
00:43:43,142 --> 00:43:45,577
but when you start to
know what things are
686
00:43:45,611 --> 00:43:48,614
and identify them, you start
to care about them.
687
00:43:52,418 --> 00:43:57,089
My family is like lovely,
artistic, back woods Indiana.
688
00:43:57,123 --> 00:43:58,124
Like when you
meet them, you're like
689
00:43:58,157 --> 00:43:59,325
oh that makes sense.
690
00:44:00,993 --> 00:44:02,829
When I told them, you know,
691
00:44:02,862 --> 00:44:06,833
I'm gonna leave my lucrative
job and go be a taxidermist,
692
00:44:06,866 --> 00:44:09,702
they're like well you could
have just stayed here.
693
00:44:09,736 --> 00:44:12,504
Like you didn't, you didn't
have to move to do that.
694
00:44:13,505 --> 00:44:15,241
It took getting away from nature
695
00:44:15,274 --> 00:44:17,676
in many ways to really
truly appreciate it,
696
00:44:17,710 --> 00:44:20,412
and really appreciate my roots,
and where I came from.
697
00:44:29,021 --> 00:44:33,059
- So Travis was visiting and I
had to go pick up this
mountain lion.
698
00:44:33,092 --> 00:44:35,995
And he kinda said like hey do
you want help on this?
699
00:44:36,095 --> 00:44:38,998
- What we're working on
is quite a young cat.
700
00:44:39,698 --> 00:44:43,569
He was hit by a car and
delivered to a nature centre.
701
00:44:43,602 --> 00:44:46,005
- We're actually
leaving a few spots
702
00:44:46,038 --> 00:44:47,807
where you can see
some road rash,
703
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,009
and it's going to
tell that story.
704
00:44:50,042 --> 00:44:52,244
And the more lifelike
that animal is,
705
00:44:52,278 --> 00:44:54,981
the more people will
care about its species.
706
00:44:56,015 --> 00:44:59,451
- The head was custom sculpt
from a copy of his own head.
707
00:44:59,485 --> 00:45:02,388
That's why the skin on
his head fits so well.
708
00:45:03,422 --> 00:45:05,624
Reference is the
most important thing
709
00:45:05,657 --> 00:45:07,293
when it comes to
doing taxidermy work.
710
00:45:08,294 --> 00:45:09,962
You gotta have a good
collection of photographs,
711
00:45:09,996 --> 00:45:11,663
measurements, castings.
712
00:45:11,697 --> 00:45:14,266
Mountain lions are very rare.
713
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:17,469
To have the opportunity to go
and look at them are even rarer.
714
00:45:23,943 --> 00:45:27,646
Hmm, hmm. I know. I know.
715
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:29,348
- Oh I hear the purr.
716
00:45:30,382 --> 00:45:33,352
- Lions don't purr.
- No this is the biggest cat
that still purrs.
717
00:45:35,221 --> 00:45:37,356
Look at this.
718
00:45:37,389 --> 00:45:39,525
I'm very lucky to
have a great relationship
719
00:45:39,558 --> 00:45:40,993
with Dave Jackson.
720
00:45:41,027 --> 00:45:45,664
And he has this amazing place
called Conservation Ambassadors.
721
00:45:45,697 --> 00:45:47,333
Oh you get a nuzzle.
722
00:45:48,067 --> 00:45:50,502
Our organization is set
up as a rescue zoo.
723
00:45:50,536 --> 00:45:51,971
So all the animals
here are rescue animals
724
00:45:52,004 --> 00:45:53,472
from some situation,
725
00:45:53,505 --> 00:45:56,308
animals that are injured in the
wild and can't be put back in
the wild,
726
00:45:56,342 --> 00:45:57,676
and illegal pets.
727
00:45:57,709 --> 00:45:58,911
People think they're gonna
728
00:45:58,945 --> 00:46:01,513
bring something like a monkey
home into their house.
729
00:46:01,547 --> 00:46:05,251
- You want this?
Okay, yes, sir. Yes, sir.
730
00:46:05,351 --> 00:46:07,086
But what we do with them is not
731
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:08,554
just stick 'em
in a cage forever.
732
00:46:08,587 --> 00:46:09,455
They get to come out
and they get to be
733
00:46:09,488 --> 00:46:11,157
what we call ambassadors.
734
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:14,326
And their second chance at life
is coming to schools with us.
735
00:46:15,361 --> 00:46:17,363
Retention level of information
from the education
736
00:46:17,396 --> 00:46:19,031
goes up exponentially
when they can touch
737
00:46:19,065 --> 00:46:20,766
something and when
they can meet a live animal.
738
00:46:22,001 --> 00:46:23,870
I use a lot of artifacts in our,
our presentations,
739
00:46:23,903 --> 00:46:25,137
our programs,
740
00:46:25,171 --> 00:46:27,773
because I can't let the kids
come up and touch a cougar.
741
00:46:27,806 --> 00:46:28,774
- Yeah.
742
00:46:28,807 --> 00:46:30,442
- But I can let them
touch a cougar skin.
743
00:46:30,476 --> 00:46:31,377
- Exactly.
744
00:46:31,410 --> 00:46:33,679
- I can let them
feel that amazing fur.
745
00:46:35,647 --> 00:46:38,150
Taxidermy and live animals,
they're so intertwined.
746
00:46:38,184 --> 00:46:39,351
They're so important
to each other.
747
00:46:39,385 --> 00:46:43,622
Now you can tell stories
of not just natural history,
748
00:46:43,655 --> 00:46:47,626
but you can tell stories with
taxidermy of today,
749
00:46:47,659 --> 00:46:50,062
what's going on today, like a
mountain lion gets hit by a car.
750
00:46:50,096 --> 00:46:51,497
That's, that's what
happens today.
751
00:46:53,165 --> 00:46:55,534
- Caring about nature is
protecting nature.
752
00:46:55,567 --> 00:46:57,436
And that's what we're
trying to instill
753
00:46:57,469 --> 00:47:00,806
in people when
we create these things.
754
00:47:01,073 --> 00:47:04,076
- Don't you use porcupine hair
as replacement whiskers?
755
00:47:04,110 --> 00:47:04,743
- You can, yeah.
756
00:47:04,776 --> 00:47:05,577
- In lions?
757
00:47:05,611 --> 00:47:06,612
- Yeah, for some cats.
758
00:47:06,645 --> 00:47:07,579
- Yeah.
759
00:47:07,613 --> 00:47:09,615
- It works well.
Ah, don't back up.
760
00:47:09,648 --> 00:47:12,118
- Uh no, dude.
Don't get up. Oh geez.
761
00:47:13,185 --> 00:47:15,721
It's all about connection,
getting people
connected with nature.
762
00:47:15,754 --> 00:47:18,224
Kids are growing
up in the living room.
763
00:47:18,257 --> 00:47:19,926
They're not going out
and digging up worms.
764
00:47:19,959 --> 00:47:21,760
They're not catching
craw dads in the creek.
765
00:47:23,896 --> 00:47:24,997
All right, come on in.
766
00:47:25,031 --> 00:47:25,697
- All right.
767
00:47:25,864 --> 00:47:29,235
So uh this is our frozen zoo.
768
00:47:30,236 --> 00:47:33,072
This is um our
Asian fishing cat.
769
00:47:33,672 --> 00:47:34,440
- She's beautiful.
770
00:47:34,473 --> 00:47:35,874
- And she educated
her whole life.
771
00:47:35,908 --> 00:47:37,343
She went to schools every day.
772
00:47:37,376 --> 00:47:39,078
She's been on every
show you could imagine.
773
00:47:39,178 --> 00:47:41,613
- It'll be interesting to
come up with, you know,
774
00:47:41,647 --> 00:47:44,683
a pose that you
feel really is her.
775
00:47:46,218 --> 00:47:48,120
- Aww. How's my girl?
776
00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:53,459
- What is truly unique about
Dave is his understanding
of death.
777
00:47:53,492 --> 00:47:55,294
He doesn't want to waste.
778
00:47:55,327 --> 00:47:57,696
He knows that there's value
779
00:47:57,729 --> 00:48:01,367
in them continuing
to educate people.
780
00:48:02,601 --> 00:48:05,437
- There's wildlife crises
everywhere all the time.
781
00:48:05,471 --> 00:48:08,975
We get into an ecosystem
and we mess it all up with,
782
00:48:09,008 --> 00:48:11,410
with freeways and
pollution and everything.
783
00:48:11,443 --> 00:48:13,512
If I was to snap
my fingers right now
784
00:48:13,545 --> 00:48:15,714
and all the people were to fall
off the face of the Earth,
785
00:48:15,747 --> 00:48:17,383
the animals would do just fine.
786
00:48:17,416 --> 00:48:18,584
But if I was to snap
my fingers right now
787
00:48:18,617 --> 00:48:20,586
and all the animals were to fall
off the face of the Earth,
788
00:48:20,619 --> 00:48:23,189
yeah turns out we need
them and they don't need us.
789
00:48:23,222 --> 00:48:26,125
So [laughs] we gotta
have a generation
790
00:48:26,158 --> 00:48:28,227
that's still connected
to nature.
791
00:48:33,165 --> 00:48:34,366
- Over 100 years ago,
792
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,468
part of our
whole national psyche
793
00:48:36,502 --> 00:48:39,505
was that we had endless
resources, you know,
794
00:48:39,538 --> 00:48:42,441
this endless frontier
of the West.
795
00:48:44,110 --> 00:48:45,877
Conservation was
such a new idea,
796
00:48:45,911 --> 00:48:48,480
and I think that's one of the
hardest things for us to grasp.
797
00:48:48,514 --> 00:48:51,483
'Cause the idea itself
just wasn't there.
798
00:48:51,517 --> 00:48:53,252
And I think you could
make a parallel
799
00:48:53,285 --> 00:48:55,387
between climate change and this.
800
00:48:56,688 --> 00:48:59,391
That shift took a while for
people to realize like
801
00:48:59,425 --> 00:49:02,728
oh we might actually have
to curb our behavior.
802
00:49:05,931 --> 00:49:07,899
The top scientists at the time,
803
00:49:07,933 --> 00:49:10,336
who worked for the American
Museum of Natural History,
804
00:49:10,369 --> 00:49:11,903
and the Field Museum,
and so on,
805
00:49:11,937 --> 00:49:15,941
they were coming out of a
different scientific mode,
806
00:49:15,974 --> 00:49:18,777
which was more about just
cataloguing, collecting,
807
00:49:18,810 --> 00:49:21,113
and knowledge for
the sake of knowledge.
808
00:49:22,348 --> 00:49:24,383
They knew enough
about habitat loss.
809
00:49:24,416 --> 00:49:26,252
They could see it in
America's West.
810
00:49:26,285 --> 00:49:28,087
They could see it in Africa,
because of the,
811
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,190
the rampant colonialism
that was taking place there.
812
00:49:31,223 --> 00:49:35,494
They knew that all of these
species were very likely going
to go extinct.
813
00:49:35,527 --> 00:49:40,566
So they would collect one of
those species for the museum,
814
00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:42,034
so we would have a collection.
815
00:49:42,068 --> 00:49:44,136
It was an archive for future
generations to see what we'd
lost.
816
00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:46,405
Like this was a giraffe,
817
00:49:46,438 --> 00:49:48,774
this was an elephant.
818
00:49:48,807 --> 00:49:50,842
The idea that we might use
science to try and change
819
00:49:50,876 --> 00:49:53,779
the way things were wasn't
really part of their MO.
820
00:49:57,583 --> 00:50:00,919
Theodore Roosevelt was
a very pivotal figure.
821
00:50:00,952 --> 00:50:03,822
He was still a man of his time.
He was a hunter.
822
00:50:03,855 --> 00:50:07,926
A lot of conservationists,
in retrospect,
823
00:50:07,959 --> 00:50:09,795
but also at the time,
his contemporaries,
824
00:50:09,828 --> 00:50:12,098
criticized him for being too
trigger-happy,
825
00:50:12,131 --> 00:50:14,366
'cause I mean he came
home with animals that
826
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,602
he had shot in Africa that
could be measured in the tons.
827
00:50:16,635 --> 00:50:18,003
There's no getting around that.
828
00:50:18,036 --> 00:50:18,904
But at the same time,
829
00:50:18,937 --> 00:50:20,572
he was the first one
who really started
830
00:50:20,606 --> 00:50:22,174
to preserve land
in the United States,
831
00:50:22,208 --> 00:50:26,112
because he was one of the first
people to really realize
832
00:50:26,145 --> 00:50:31,250
that the frontier was closed,
that this idea that nature
833
00:50:31,283 --> 00:50:35,387
was inexhaustible wasn't true.
I-. it is exhaustible.
834
00:50:35,421 --> 00:50:38,290
And that was not a
popular idea at the time.
835
00:50:39,991 --> 00:50:43,295
That's what makes him
one of the most
836
00:50:43,329 --> 00:50:46,132
paradoxical figures
of his time.
837
00:50:46,165 --> 00:50:47,766
And Akeley worshipped him.
838
00:50:49,568 --> 00:50:53,205
And I think Akeley probably was
inspired enough by him,
839
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,041
that by the time he looked into
those gorilla's eyes
840
00:50:56,074 --> 00:50:58,544
and he had his own personal
transformation,
841
00:50:58,577 --> 00:51:00,679
he kind of lived something that
842
00:51:00,712 --> 00:51:02,748
TR had been talking
about for years.
843
00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:05,984
When he had his
moment of epiphany,
844
00:51:06,017 --> 00:51:08,387
it was when he
was killing gorillas.
845
00:51:08,420 --> 00:51:10,822
People were going
in with licenses
846
00:51:10,856 --> 00:51:13,559
to kill like 20 gorillas
at a time.
847
00:51:13,592 --> 00:51:16,995
And he knew that at
the rate they were going,
848
00:51:17,028 --> 00:51:19,331
I mean they would have been
extinct within 10 years.
849
00:51:19,365 --> 00:51:22,534
And so he managed to persuade
the Belgian government
850
00:51:22,568 --> 00:51:26,505
to create a sanctuary to protect
the mountain gorilla.
851
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,443
It's the first wildlife
sanctuary in Africa.
852
00:51:31,477 --> 00:51:34,980
To save the habitat
was to save the animal.
853
00:51:35,013 --> 00:51:37,183
And that's what saved
the mountain gorillas.
854
00:51:52,030 --> 00:51:56,235
- Every hunter I know that's a
true hunter actually
loves nature.
855
00:51:56,268 --> 00:51:59,605
And that's something that I
feel like so many people
856
00:51:59,638 --> 00:52:01,440
just can't wrap
their minds around.
857
00:52:01,473 --> 00:52:04,576
How can you love animals and
still want to hunt them?
858
00:52:06,912 --> 00:52:07,746
- Fold it back.
859
00:52:10,782 --> 00:52:14,220
- Hunters are the greatest
conservationists.
860
00:52:14,253 --> 00:52:17,756
They spend the most
amount of money on land,
861
00:52:17,789 --> 00:52:20,559
on labour to
protect the animals.
862
00:52:20,592 --> 00:52:23,662
And they spend the most amount
of time with the animals.
863
00:52:25,631 --> 00:52:29,134
Hunting serves a purpose,
so it all goes back to that.
864
00:52:29,167 --> 00:52:30,802
There has to be a reason,
865
00:52:30,836 --> 00:52:33,372
whether it's because
people need food,
866
00:52:33,405 --> 00:52:36,742
or if it's just game management.
867
00:52:36,775 --> 00:52:39,678
A world without hunting is gonna
be a pretty sad world,
868
00:52:39,711 --> 00:52:43,515
because nothing's gonna
have a value economically.
869
00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:46,818
And if wildlife doesn't
have an economic value,
870
00:52:46,852 --> 00:52:48,554
it just won't be around.
871
00:52:48,587 --> 00:52:49,921
It just won't.
872
00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:55,627
So this is actual taxidermy.
873
00:52:55,661 --> 00:52:57,763
It's the difference
between just
874
00:52:57,796 --> 00:53:01,199
gluing and pinning and
sewing a skin on a form,
875
00:53:01,233 --> 00:53:04,102
but actually understanding
where it needs to go,
876
00:53:04,135 --> 00:53:06,238
working out wrinkles,
877
00:53:06,272 --> 00:53:08,940
and putting hair patterns where
they need to actually go.
878
00:53:10,876 --> 00:53:12,844
There's not very many
taxidermists in Europe,
879
00:53:12,878 --> 00:53:15,347
just because there's not
a lot of hunting in Europe.
880
00:53:15,381 --> 00:53:17,749
And part of the reason there's
not a lot of hunting in Europe
881
00:53:17,783 --> 00:53:19,985
is 'cause there's
no animals in Europe.
882
00:53:21,353 --> 00:53:23,021
Growing up in Switzerland,
883
00:53:23,054 --> 00:53:25,424
there's no such thing as
going on a nature hike
884
00:53:25,457 --> 00:53:27,326
and seeing animals.
885
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:29,861
I wish most Americans
would just realize
886
00:53:29,895 --> 00:53:32,398
how incredibly
fortunate we all are.
887
00:53:45,644 --> 00:53:49,548
- When I was very small,
I once found a rabbit skull.
888
00:53:51,583 --> 00:53:54,019
And I thought it was
so cool and so neat.
889
00:53:56,555 --> 00:54:00,158
I think it was like the most
appreciated position I ever had.
890
00:54:03,729 --> 00:54:07,032
- For us, it's very principle
that we only work with animals
891
00:54:07,065 --> 00:54:10,802
that died of natural causes,
and that lived in captivity.
892
00:54:15,173 --> 00:54:18,009
If you talk about hunting
here in the Netherlands,
893
00:54:18,043 --> 00:54:20,746
they think it's animal cruelty.
894
00:54:21,747 --> 00:54:24,115
They eat animals from a factory,
895
00:54:24,149 --> 00:54:28,253
but hunting is uh a no-go area.
896
00:54:30,221 --> 00:54:33,091
I'm not a fan of hunting,
but it's not all bad.
897
00:54:33,124 --> 00:54:34,760
Since here in Holland,
898
00:54:34,793 --> 00:54:37,529
you have like protected areas
where they keep deers
899
00:54:37,563 --> 00:54:39,798
and other rare animals.
900
00:54:39,831 --> 00:54:42,868
But these places
are crowded now.
901
00:54:42,901 --> 00:54:45,704
So it looks very
funny in the summer.
902
00:54:46,171 --> 00:54:48,574
But, when the winter comes,
they all starve to death.
903
00:54:49,608 --> 00:54:51,610
And I think that's wrong.
904
00:54:59,918 --> 00:55:01,620
- Uh when you
take out the body,
905
00:55:01,653 --> 00:55:04,623
you have to sort
of copy it exactly,
906
00:55:04,656 --> 00:55:11,730
because the skin that comes
off is like uh tailored suits.
907
00:55:11,763 --> 00:55:13,131
It fits only one way.
908
00:55:13,164 --> 00:55:15,634
So you have to take
all the measurements.
909
00:55:17,903 --> 00:55:20,372
In Holland, taxidermy
isn't that common.
910
00:55:20,406 --> 00:55:24,976
So many people think
we just cut it open,
911
00:55:25,010 --> 00:55:26,512
empty it with a spoon,
912
00:55:26,545 --> 00:55:29,180
and, and put
something back in it,
913
00:55:29,214 --> 00:55:30,315
and then it's finished.
914
00:55:30,348 --> 00:55:31,149
- Stuff it up.
915
00:55:31,182 --> 00:55:32,784
When you explain
how much work it is,
916
00:55:32,818 --> 00:55:35,120
then people appreciate it more.
917
00:55:37,355 --> 00:55:41,527
These are all gonna
go on a birdcage,
918
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:42,494
on the outside,
919
00:55:42,528 --> 00:55:44,863
try to make a whole
story of all the birds
920
00:55:44,896 --> 00:55:48,867
interacting with each other,
talking, looking at each other.
921
00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:53,171
All caged in, but you know,
looks like they're all free.
922
00:55:56,207 --> 00:55:59,010
The animals we use
otherwise gets thrown away.
923
00:55:59,044 --> 00:56:02,714
And it's either in the bin or we
make something out of it.
924
00:56:04,716 --> 00:56:06,552
So sort of give
it a second life.
925
00:56:13,692 --> 00:56:15,494
So my pet chinchilla
just died recently.
926
00:56:15,527 --> 00:56:18,029
It ' s about one to
maybe three pounds.
927
00:56:18,063 --> 00:56:19,998
I was wondering if you guys
could possibly give me a-
928
00:56:20,031 --> 00:56:22,233
- Last message received.
- No.
929
00:56:22,267 --> 00:56:24,102
This is why we don't pick
up the studio phone.
930
00:56:24,135 --> 00:56:26,304
You end up on the phone with
these people for forever.
931
00:56:26,337 --> 00:56:32,444
- I have a deceased owl
that died on my property.
932
00:56:32,478 --> 00:56:34,379
- It doesn't work like that.
933
00:56:34,412 --> 00:56:36,915
- Lived for 10 years
on the property.
934
00:56:36,948 --> 00:56:39,585
I found an owl, I found an
eagle. They can't have it.
935
00:56:39,618 --> 00:56:41,853
You really can't convince
them that it's federal law
936
00:56:41,887 --> 00:56:42,921
and that they can't have it,
937
00:56:42,954 --> 00:56:44,623
because they're like well it
died on my property.
938
00:56:44,656 --> 00:56:47,526
And it's like okay but if you
found cocaine on your property,
939
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:49,495
like you couldn't
have that either.
940
00:56:53,765 --> 00:56:56,635
What I'm working on here and
what we're really gearing up for
941
00:56:56,668 --> 00:57:01,006
is the Visual Voyages exhibit at
the Huntington Library.
942
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:05,944
Visual Voyages is
expressions of nature from
943
00:57:05,977 --> 00:57:08,914
Columbus to Darwin
in Latin America,
944
00:57:08,947 --> 00:57:11,416
you know, explorers,
biologists, all of that
945
00:57:11,449 --> 00:57:13,051
going over there and being like
946
00:57:13,084 --> 00:57:16,588
what are these little
shiny amazing birds,
947
00:57:16,622 --> 00:57:18,690
or you know,
what is this anteater,
948
00:57:18,724 --> 00:57:20,191
what are these armadillos?
949
00:57:20,792 --> 00:57:23,094
I was talking to
Ken on the phone,
950
00:57:23,128 --> 00:57:26,131
and you know, he is such a
mentor to us and everything.
951
00:57:26,164 --> 00:57:28,600
He's like well if
you need any help.
952
00:57:28,634 --> 00:57:30,869
I think this is all fitting
pretty well.
953
00:57:30,902 --> 00:57:33,404
This is a little square,
the space in between here,
954
00:57:33,438 --> 00:57:35,473
but I don't know if that's
how the anatomy works.
955
00:57:35,574 --> 00:57:37,142
- Actually this isn't too bad
because they,
956
00:57:37,175 --> 00:57:40,378
that, that is a,
a pretty common pose.
957
00:57:40,411 --> 00:57:41,046
- Uh-huh.
958
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:42,714
- For these guys, like the,
959
00:57:42,748 --> 00:57:44,583
you know, the,
that spread on the feet.
960
00:57:45,216 --> 00:57:48,754
The armadillos are gonna be
actual touch pieces.
961
00:57:48,787 --> 00:57:51,189
And they're so unique and
they're something that like,
962
00:57:51,222 --> 00:57:53,825
you know, I've never
worked on before.
963
00:57:53,859 --> 00:57:56,995
I don't see how armadillos are
from the planet Earth.
964
00:57:57,028 --> 00:57:57,863
I really don't.
965
00:57:59,497 --> 00:58:02,267
I don't know where I would be
without the kind of advice and
leadership,
966
00:58:02,300 --> 00:58:04,803
and that you have
people in this industry
967
00:58:04,836 --> 00:58:06,638
that are so willing to do that.
968
00:58:06,738 --> 00:58:07,973
Do you like these little rods?
They're cool, eh?
969
00:58:08,006 --> 00:58:09,641
- I do like these little rods.
970
00:58:09,675 --> 00:58:11,176
Those are gonna
be my new friends.
971
00:58:11,209 --> 00:58:12,578
- Mm-hmm.
972
00:58:12,611 --> 00:58:15,747
I had to defend the girls when
they first showed up
on the scene.
973
00:58:15,781 --> 00:58:18,149
You know, people start
smart-mouthing to me,
974
00:58:18,183 --> 00:58:19,718
I put 'em in their
place real quick.
975
00:58:19,818 --> 00:58:22,821
A lot of the Millennials are
into like rogue taxidermy,
976
00:58:22,854 --> 00:58:25,824
which is, you know,
making strange creatures
977
00:58:25,857 --> 00:58:28,393
and doing things that
traditional taxidermists would-,
978
00:58:28,426 --> 00:58:30,962
wouldn't be caught
dead doing, which is art.
979
00:58:30,996 --> 00:58:33,398
So I love it. I love anything to
do with art.
980
00:58:46,645 --> 00:58:51,349
- Rogue taxidermy is a
genre of pop surrealist art
981
00:58:51,382 --> 00:58:54,152
that utilize conventional
taxidermy-related materials
982
00:58:54,185 --> 00:58:55,821
in an unconventional manner.
983
00:58:57,388 --> 00:58:59,858
Taxidermy for a long time really
had a stigma attached to it,
984
00:58:59,891 --> 00:59:01,760
where it was like
wearing a fur coat.
985
00:59:01,793 --> 00:59:03,762
You're hurting animals and
you're exploiting the animals.
986
00:59:03,795 --> 00:59:07,298
The animals I work with
die of natural causes
987
00:59:07,332 --> 00:59:10,001
or are byproducts of the
livestock industry.
988
00:59:10,035 --> 00:59:12,270
People don't think about their
animal consumption,
989
00:59:12,303 --> 00:59:14,105
when I say consumption,
not even what you eat.
990
00:59:14,139 --> 00:59:16,574
They don't think about the
clothing they wear,
991
00:59:16,608 --> 00:59:17,709
the products they use.
992
00:59:17,743 --> 00:59:20,211
But you know, when you're
looking at taxidermy,
993
00:59:20,245 --> 00:59:23,581
it has eyes. It forces you to
think about it.
994
00:59:26,517 --> 00:59:27,619
The Goth Griffin,
995
00:59:27,653 --> 00:59:31,056
which is a combination
of a crow and a black cat,
996
00:59:31,089 --> 00:59:32,791
which is a combination of
a crow and a black cat,
997
00:59:32,824 --> 00:59:34,826
New York Times Art
section in 2004.
998
00:59:34,860 --> 00:59:39,097
And that was the catalyst for
interest in the genre.
999
00:59:39,597 --> 00:59:41,733
When people came to
be part of our group
1000
00:59:41,767 --> 00:59:44,936
and want to kind of work under
that umbrella of
rogue taxidermy,
1001
00:59:44,970 --> 00:59:46,905
they had to pledge that they
wouldn't harm
1002
00:59:46,938 --> 00:59:48,373
animals to make the work.
1003
00:59:48,406 --> 00:59:50,976
So that kind of
rebranded taxidermy.
1004
00:59:51,009 --> 00:59:53,812
Like all of a sudden it wasn't
about killing an animal.
1005
00:59:53,845 --> 00:59:55,947
It has a recycling aspect to it.
1006
00:59:57,115 --> 00:59:59,985
Capricorn is constructed
out of a stillborn lamb,
1007
01:00:00,018 --> 01:00:02,253
a carp, and grouse wings.
1008
01:00:02,287 --> 01:00:04,022
And then the antlers
on that are from a
1009
01:00:04,055 --> 01:00:06,091
vintage roe deer trophy plaque.
1010
01:00:06,124 --> 01:00:08,459
A lot of people, when I
first started doing this,
1011
01:00:08,493 --> 01:00:11,763
didn't think that what I was
doing was acceptable whatsoever,
1012
01:00:11,797 --> 01:00:13,531
not ethical, not moral.
1013
01:00:13,564 --> 01:00:17,936
I never understood why I would
get just like lambasted,
1014
01:00:17,969 --> 01:00:20,839
attacked, just like
horrible hate mail,
1015
01:00:20,872 --> 01:00:24,309
whereas men that
were doing it, no hate mail.
1016
01:00:25,977 --> 01:00:30,548
Taxidermy is really rapidly
losing that good old boys club
1017
01:00:30,581 --> 01:00:33,018
feeling that it had
for so many years.
1018
01:00:33,051 --> 01:00:36,121
Not to say that never were
awesome female taxidermists
before,
1019
01:00:36,154 --> 01:00:38,857
but now we've got women that are
like at the forefront
1020
01:00:38,890 --> 01:00:42,794
of what's been
popularizing taxidermy.
1021
01:00:57,408 --> 01:00:59,745
- Of course there's always the
novelty taxidermy that has
1022
01:00:59,778 --> 01:01:02,480
really become en vogue too.
1023
01:01:04,149 --> 01:01:06,584
Novelty is when you have the
animals playing cards
1024
01:01:06,617 --> 01:01:08,386
or paddling a canoe or whatever.
1025
01:01:08,419 --> 01:01:11,656
That was really big back in
Victorian time period.
1026
01:01:12,991 --> 01:01:15,660
t seems to me like it kinda
completely went away
for a while,
1027
01:01:15,693 --> 01:01:17,295
and now it seems
to be resurging.
1028
01:01:17,328 --> 01:01:20,498
Taxidermy in general is
making quite a resurgence,
1029
01:01:20,531 --> 01:01:23,068
especially Victorian taxidermy.
1030
01:01:34,312 --> 01:01:39,184
There's a big history of
taxidermy and fashion.
1031
01:01:39,217 --> 01:01:41,352
And I think that's one
of the main ways that
1032
01:01:41,386 --> 01:01:44,790
taxidermy actually
entered the mainstream
1033
01:01:44,823 --> 01:01:46,457
during the Victorian era.
1034
01:01:48,059 --> 01:01:52,663
Queen Victoria was really the
one who kinda started that.
1035
01:01:52,697 --> 01:01:57,668
She started wearing these
amazing plumes in her hair,
1036
01:01:57,702 --> 01:02:01,072
wearing feathers
elsewhere on her garb,
1037
01:02:01,106 --> 01:02:03,641
and small ones in pins
and things like that.
1038
01:02:03,674 --> 01:02:06,477
And she's the reason
we call it Victorian era.
1039
01:02:06,577 --> 01:02:09,948
But you know, it really
had a dark side to it.
1040
01:02:10,949 --> 01:02:13,985
We lost several hundred species
1041
01:02:14,019 --> 01:02:19,457
in the 1800s to both collecting
and haberdashery,
1042
01:02:19,490 --> 01:02:24,129
hats, um or, or just
hat pins like this one.
1043
01:02:26,164 --> 01:02:30,068
In my case,
this bird died in captivity.
1044
01:02:30,101 --> 01:02:32,470
It's not bad for the
environment,
1045
01:02:32,503 --> 01:02:36,107
and it's probably the most
natural thing I put in my hair.
1046
01:02:38,243 --> 01:02:40,011
You're always
gonna get asked about it.
1047
01:02:40,045 --> 01:02:43,481
Maybe in some ways,
it's my sneaky way of
1048
01:02:43,514 --> 01:02:47,552
of getting people in Hollywood
to learn about animals.
1049
01:02:49,187 --> 01:02:55,126
I've been lucky enough to get
some high profile
fashion-y clients.
1050
01:02:55,160 --> 01:03:00,098
In the new Gucci
fragrance campaign,
1051
01:03:00,131 --> 01:03:04,269
you can see my
Victorian bird dome.
1052
01:03:04,302 --> 01:03:07,105
It's got a lot of elements
from their scents in it.
1053
01:03:08,206 --> 01:03:10,275
I worked with EB Florals
1054
01:03:10,308 --> 01:03:14,679
and we actually turned some of
my birds into diffusers.
1055
01:03:14,712 --> 01:03:18,816
They've been in Vanity Fair,
Marie Claire,
1056
01:03:18,850 --> 01:03:21,552
things that like I was like
reading as a kid.
1057
01:03:21,586 --> 01:03:24,789
You know, it's all these crazy
fashion things I could
never have,
1058
01:03:24,822 --> 01:03:26,591
and then my stuff is in them
1059
01:03:26,624 --> 01:03:29,594
And I'm a taxidermist.
Like how weird is that?
1060
01:03:45,410 --> 01:03:48,579
The Victorians were obsessed
with hummingbirds.
1061
01:03:48,613 --> 01:03:52,550
John Gould did these beautiful
hummingbird cases
1062
01:03:52,583 --> 01:03:57,288
for the Great Exhibit held in
London in the 1850s.
1063
01:03:57,322 --> 01:04:00,325
And so I'm re-creating
two of those cases.
1064
01:04:01,792 --> 01:04:05,363
I make a little body based on
their actual body.
1065
01:04:05,396 --> 01:04:07,832
I go slightly smaller
in some areas,
1066
01:04:07,865 --> 01:04:10,368
and then maybe a little fuller
in the chest and others,
1067
01:04:10,401 --> 01:04:13,004
because you have to imagine it
actually being alive.
1068
01:04:14,539 --> 01:04:16,007
They're very small.
1069
01:04:16,041 --> 01:04:18,509
So as you can imagine,
they're very delicate.
1070
01:04:18,543 --> 01:04:22,847
If you pull at all,
the skin rips.
1071
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,183
If it heats up, the skin rips.
1072
01:04:25,216 --> 01:04:29,154
If you look at it funny or
think sad thoughts,
the skin rips.
1073
01:04:29,187 --> 01:04:31,822
So I try to stay real calm when
I'm working on hummingbirds.
1074
01:04:42,033 --> 01:04:45,336
These hummingbirds were
collected from the Moore Lab.
1075
01:04:46,972 --> 01:04:49,674
- The Moore Lab is a really
spectacular place.
1076
01:04:49,707 --> 01:04:53,078
We have this
amazing bird collection,
1077
01:04:53,111 --> 01:04:55,280
65,000 specimens.
1078
01:04:55,313 --> 01:04:58,716
We have one of the best
hummingbird collections
in the world.
1079
01:04:59,717 --> 01:05:04,522
This is a blue-tufted
starthroat collected in 1929.
1080
01:05:05,756 --> 01:05:08,726
- These guys are going to be on
this exhibit at the Huntington,
1081
01:05:08,759 --> 01:05:11,329
but then ultimately they're
going to end up
1082
01:05:11,362 --> 01:05:14,365
at the Moore Lab on display
as part of the collection.
1083
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,036
One of the things that's most
important to the Moore Lab
1084
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:20,271
is having the correct anatomy,
1085
01:05:20,305 --> 01:05:23,541
having the correct
characteristic behaviors.
1086
01:05:23,574 --> 01:05:26,277
So I get to learn
so much from them.
1087
01:05:26,377 --> 01:05:28,146
- Where Allis has been great
1088
01:05:28,179 --> 01:05:31,816
is in working in some
of our scientific ideas
1089
01:05:31,849 --> 01:05:33,184
into the taxidermy,
1090
01:05:33,218 --> 01:05:35,820
so we can talk about our science
1091
01:05:35,853 --> 01:05:40,558
with a bird in a lifelike pose
that sparks the imagination.
1092
01:05:59,977 --> 01:06:02,847
- I got interested in taxidermy
when I was about nine years old.
1093
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,382
My grandpa taught this school.
1094
01:06:05,983 --> 01:06:10,021
- I started doing taxidermy when
I was 16 back in 1968.
1095
01:06:10,055 --> 01:06:13,224
I got interested,
I seen articles
1096
01:06:13,258 --> 01:06:15,226
in my granddad's hunting
magazines all the time,
1097
01:06:15,260 --> 01:06:16,494
since I was a little kid.
1098
01:06:16,527 --> 01:06:19,597
And I just started a school,
started teaching taxidermy.
1099
01:06:20,631 --> 01:06:23,368
- I took his full taxidermy
course when I was 13,
1100
01:06:23,401 --> 01:06:25,303
and then created
my own business called
1101
01:06:25,336 --> 01:06:26,737
Remington Taxidermy.
1102
01:06:26,771 --> 01:06:30,208
And then this crazy person took
grandpa's class
1103
01:06:30,241 --> 01:06:31,976
and became my
adopted big sister.
1104
01:06:32,009 --> 01:06:33,278
And ever since then,
1105
01:06:33,311 --> 01:06:35,613
we've had this bond that
we just share together.
1106
01:06:35,713 --> 01:06:38,749
- One day, I can draw up
concepts, I can,
1107
01:06:38,783 --> 01:06:41,319
the next day, if I'm sick of it,
I have animals to skin.
1108
01:06:41,352 --> 01:06:43,221
If I'm sick of that, I can
1109
01:06:43,254 --> 01:06:46,191
work on chemistry and
science with tanning.
1110
01:06:46,224 --> 01:06:48,826
I literally cannot
get sick of it.
1111
01:06:49,660 --> 01:06:51,462
- Dakota and I met
at the World Show
1112
01:06:51,496 --> 01:06:53,531
when I'd flown in
from South Africa.
1113
01:06:53,564 --> 01:06:56,367
Us as a younger crowd,
we tend to stick together.
1114
01:06:58,103 --> 01:07:00,071
One of the cool things
about the World Shows
1115
01:07:00,105 --> 01:07:02,573
having the Collaborative
Artists Division
1116
01:07:02,607 --> 01:07:06,144
is there is that opportunity to
make something
1117
01:07:06,177 --> 01:07:08,213
with people you
really want to work with.
1118
01:07:16,721 --> 01:07:19,023
We seldom ever get the
opportunity to work together,
1119
01:07:19,056 --> 01:07:21,792
especially on something
like a competition piece.
1120
01:07:21,826 --> 01:07:24,028
And that's what we did
with this little zebra.
1121
01:07:39,110 --> 01:07:40,878
We're trying to do something
here with a baby animal,
1122
01:07:40,911 --> 01:07:42,413
which is pretty difficult.
1123
01:07:42,447 --> 01:07:45,483
Very difficult to find
reference of babies.
1124
01:07:47,918 --> 01:07:49,620
- It's all about what
your work looks like,
1125
01:07:49,654 --> 01:07:50,621
can you prove yourself.
1126
01:07:51,122 --> 01:07:53,090
- I love making things
from scratch and
1127
01:07:53,124 --> 01:07:55,560
being able to do it
exactly how I want to.
1128
01:07:56,961 --> 01:07:58,729
- Commercial taxidermy is,
you know,
1129
01:07:58,763 --> 01:07:59,964
just putting out a nice piece,
1130
01:07:59,997 --> 01:08:02,500
good quality work in a
decent time for clients.
1131
01:08:02,533 --> 01:08:05,403
But you can really get into
the art in a competition
1132
01:08:05,436 --> 01:08:07,738
that you can't afford to
put into a client's work.
1133
01:08:29,494 --> 01:08:30,895
- A baby animal trying
to stand up,
1134
01:08:30,928 --> 01:08:33,864
it's not typically anything
anyone would do.
1135
01:08:33,898 --> 01:08:35,266
There's a hell of a
lot going on,
1136
01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:37,602
and it's not easy
to make it look real.
1137
01:08:39,370 --> 01:08:42,973
This technique that we're using
is not a popular technique.
1138
01:08:44,242 --> 01:08:47,878
Something like this being fully
customized from the
original animal,
1139
01:08:47,912 --> 01:08:49,113
it's far more accurate.
1140
01:08:49,146 --> 01:08:52,149
You can focus more on
anatomy and expression
1141
01:08:52,183 --> 01:08:53,751
and what's actually
going on in composition,
1142
01:08:53,784 --> 01:08:56,421
and less about just
getting the skin to fit.
1143
01:09:03,261 --> 01:09:05,796
Taxidermy's an extremely
labour-intensive work.
1144
01:09:05,830 --> 01:09:09,300
You spend countless
hours grinding away
1145
01:09:09,334 --> 01:09:13,604
at the most insignificant of
details, or so it would appear.
1146
01:09:13,638 --> 01:09:17,342
We try just our
very best to stay sane,
1147
01:09:17,375 --> 01:09:19,143
and create works of art.
1148
01:09:19,176 --> 01:09:21,412
But the world
doesn't appreciate it.
1149
01:09:25,416 --> 01:09:27,452
- Um hot gluing
the seam together,
1150
01:09:27,485 --> 01:09:28,686
so then when
we pour the foam in,
1151
01:09:28,719 --> 01:09:30,821
then we don't have foam
running out between the lines.
1152
01:09:30,855 --> 01:09:33,858
I've never made like a
cast body like this before.
1153
01:09:35,693 --> 01:09:37,762
- We looked at the original ears
1154
01:09:37,795 --> 01:09:41,065
and highlighted all of the
veins and where they were.
1155
01:09:41,098 --> 01:09:44,335
And then we're hollowing
them out in the mold.
1156
01:09:47,672 --> 01:09:49,574
- I've always learned
from Grandpa.
1157
01:09:49,607 --> 01:09:53,143
And Travis is kinda my first
time of one-on-one with someone,
1158
01:09:53,177 --> 01:09:54,779
learning something really new.
1159
01:10:00,285 --> 01:10:03,888
- We're trying to get something
alive and asymmetrical.
1160
01:10:03,921 --> 01:10:07,725
We got a puckered up
lip line, flared nostrils,
1161
01:10:07,758 --> 01:10:09,694
pumped up blood veins.
1162
01:10:09,727 --> 01:10:12,630
We're trying to get that really
worried look on its face.
1163
01:10:35,486 --> 01:10:40,358
The art of taxidermy is
re-creating the animal
precisely,
1164
01:10:40,391 --> 01:10:42,860
but breathing life into it.
1165
01:10:42,893 --> 01:10:46,230
Because if you just take all the
measurements, the casting,
1166
01:10:46,263 --> 01:10:48,165
all that reference you
get from the specimen,
1167
01:10:48,198 --> 01:10:52,437
and assemble it,
you got a dead animal.
1168
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:54,572
You gotta know the animal.
You've gotta know nature.
1169
01:10:54,605 --> 01:10:56,240
You gotta know how they behave,
1170
01:10:56,273 --> 01:10:58,108
what they eat, where they live.
1171
01:11:11,288 --> 01:11:14,925
It becomes one of these things
that you just can't shake.
1172
01:11:14,959 --> 01:11:16,927
You can't stop
thinking about it.
1173
01:11:16,961 --> 01:11:18,329
It's always on the
back of your mind.
1174
01:11:18,363 --> 01:11:20,931
Like where am I going wrong?
1175
01:11:20,965 --> 01:11:24,602
Why does this not look alive?
1176
01:11:24,635 --> 01:11:27,071
And it never will.
1177
01:11:27,104 --> 01:11:30,541
But it's something that we
strive to perfect.
1178
01:12:04,509 --> 01:12:07,912
- To me, the competitions ain't
so much winning the competition,
1179
01:12:07,945 --> 01:12:08,613
it's learning.
1180
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,682
And the more you can learn,
the better you get.
1181
01:12:13,618 --> 01:12:17,254
- I think that's another thing
that taxidermists all have
in common.
1182
01:12:17,287 --> 01:12:19,724
We always want to keep
getting better and better.
1183
01:12:19,757 --> 01:12:22,660
And that's why we're so excited
to go to places like
1184
01:12:22,693 --> 01:12:23,961
the World Championship.
1185
01:12:28,032 --> 01:12:30,367
- That's when I met pretty much
all the other big name
1186
01:12:30,401 --> 01:12:31,502
in the industry.
1187
01:12:32,737 --> 01:12:34,739
- We're not the best
taxidermists in the world.
1188
01:12:34,772 --> 01:12:36,774
We saw today we're not.
1189
01:12:40,811 --> 01:12:43,748
- It doesn't really matter where
you come from and,
1190
01:12:43,781 --> 01:12:45,516
where you are in your career.
1191
01:12:45,550 --> 01:12:47,652
Somehow we all
have this connection
1192
01:12:47,685 --> 01:12:49,820
and you become this
really close-knit family.
1193
01:12:50,888 --> 01:12:52,823
- Even though we're really
different from each other,
1194
01:12:52,857 --> 01:12:54,358
we have a common language
1195
01:12:54,391 --> 01:12:56,393
that other people
simply don't speak.
1196
01:12:57,728 --> 01:13:01,198
- So I need all my Euro pins
that everyone is constantly
1197
01:13:01,231 --> 01:13:02,433
stealing from me.
1198
01:13:02,467 --> 01:13:05,903
Hunting down all the weird
little things that I need.
1199
01:13:07,371 --> 01:13:09,173
There's like nice-colored
stout roughers.
1200
01:13:09,206 --> 01:13:13,578
And I think every lady
needs a golden caliper.
1201
01:13:14,745 --> 01:13:16,213
Oh, yes. Thank you.
1202
01:13:16,246 --> 01:13:17,147
- Oh a shopping basket,
there you go.
1203
01:13:17,181 --> 01:13:18,949
- I know. I'm gonna
need a cart though.
1204
01:13:22,119 --> 01:13:26,457
- Even though we're the
producers, uh it's
magical for us.
1205
01:13:26,491 --> 01:13:27,157
- Oh, it is.
1206
01:13:28,358 --> 01:13:31,061
- Yeah we've been doing
it for about 27 years.
1207
01:13:33,931 --> 01:13:37,034
It's just remarkable the effort
1208
01:13:37,067 --> 01:13:40,838
and time that each artist
puts into their piece.
1209
01:13:40,938 --> 01:13:43,741
To look at 'em is
just splitting hairs,
1210
01:13:43,774 --> 01:13:45,476
if you want to say --
1211
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:49,179
--to be able to determine
which one is the best piece.
1212
01:13:58,889 --> 01:14:00,057
- When we're judging
a show like this,
1213
01:14:00,090 --> 01:14:01,325
a lot of us are kinda old timers
1214
01:14:01,358 --> 01:14:03,928
that have been judging the show
for many, many, many years.
1215
01:14:04,461 --> 01:14:07,097
I kinda started hearing
people say well, you know,
1216
01:14:07,131 --> 01:14:09,667
a lot of these old timers
couldn't compete today.
1217
01:14:09,700 --> 01:14:13,804
I wanted to see if I could
still run with the big dogs.
1218
01:14:15,472 --> 01:14:18,442
I competed with
this re-creation of a gorilla.
1219
01:14:18,475 --> 01:14:20,110
It's o-, 100% artificial.
1220
01:14:21,078 --> 01:14:24,181
That was pretty cool for me
because I actually won
1221
01:14:24,214 --> 01:14:25,182
all the top awards.
1222
01:14:25,215 --> 01:14:26,784
I won Best of Show,
I won People's Choice,
1223
01:14:26,817 --> 01:14:27,785
I won everything.
1224
01:14:31,522 --> 01:14:34,859
- Every once in a while,
we'll have an individual come in
1225
01:14:34,892 --> 01:14:37,061
and I can immediately see
1226
01:14:37,094 --> 01:14:39,363
they're gonna be
superstars quick.
1227
01:14:39,730 --> 01:14:43,133
And one of those was Travis de
Villiers from South Africa.
1228
01:14:43,167 --> 01:14:47,638
He is one of the super talents
at a very young age.
1229
01:14:47,672 --> 01:14:49,373
And Daniel Meng.
1230
01:14:49,406 --> 01:14:52,442
- Yeah he's a young competitor
right now. He's, he's fiery.
1231
01:14:52,476 --> 01:14:54,845
He won last time
for the first time,
1232
01:14:54,879 --> 01:14:57,014
his first Best in World.
1233
01:14:57,047 --> 01:14:58,415
He'll do it again too.
1234
01:15:01,451 --> 01:15:04,054
- The competition world
can open the world to ya.
1235
01:15:04,088 --> 01:15:06,824
If you're good
enough and you believe
1236
01:15:06,857 --> 01:15:09,293
that you can do something that
the world needs to see,
1237
01:15:09,326 --> 01:15:11,629
then you have this
venue to show it to them.
1238
01:15:17,668 --> 01:15:19,069
- Did you expect
to win anything?
1239
01:15:19,103 --> 01:15:19,770
- No.
1240
01:15:28,979 --> 01:15:30,948
- We got a 95.
1241
01:15:31,315 --> 01:15:33,550
- And then to find a judge
to get a critique and him
1242
01:15:33,584 --> 01:15:36,053
basically being like I have
nothing to say.
1243
01:15:37,988 --> 01:15:38,923
I'm shaking.
1244
01:15:38,956 --> 01:15:40,691
Yeah it's been a great
experience.
1245
01:15:40,725 --> 01:15:42,126
We worked our asses off.
1246
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:43,160
- We did work our asses off.
1247
01:16:45,555 --> 01:16:47,692
- Africa moves to its own beat.
1248
01:16:50,427 --> 01:16:51,495
It's its way of life.
1249
01:16:51,528 --> 01:16:54,431
It's the rhythm it moves to,
like nowhere else.
1250
01:16:59,670 --> 01:17:01,138
Being back into that rhythm now,
1251
01:17:01,171 --> 01:17:04,408
it's sort of put the world
into perspective.
1252
01:17:20,725 --> 01:17:24,294
I needed to be back
here to ground myself
1253
01:17:24,328 --> 01:17:25,930
back to who I am.
1254
01:17:34,071 --> 01:17:35,505
Africa is home.
1255
01:17:35,539 --> 01:17:40,577
It's where the animals that
inspire me to do the
work I do are.
1256
01:17:43,447 --> 01:17:47,351
I've always wanted to do work
that's unique and dynamic.
1257
01:17:48,485 --> 01:17:51,521
I needed to take off and leave
the nest completely,
1258
01:17:51,555 --> 01:17:55,492
and try to surround myself with
the best people that I knew,
1259
01:17:55,525 --> 01:18:00,430
and by so doing, find that
inspiration again to create art.
1260
01:18:05,169 --> 01:18:06,871
- We really want to
work with Travis,
1261
01:18:06,904 --> 01:18:12,009
taking our point of view
together with Travis's
point of view
1262
01:18:12,042 --> 01:18:13,510
and his sculpting skills,
1263
01:18:13,543 --> 01:18:17,681
doing sort of a mix-up
of Europe and Africa.
1264
01:18:21,085 --> 01:18:22,787
It's a very nice combination,
1265
01:18:22,820 --> 01:18:25,355
with the black and white
of the guinea fowls,
1266
01:18:25,389 --> 01:18:27,524
and the white of the statues.
1267
01:18:28,225 --> 01:18:31,195
- Rotate it like
this a little bit. Yeah.
1268
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:35,532
It really started with
the idea of using spears.
1269
01:18:35,565 --> 01:18:38,969
It's like when you
make a sketch,
1270
01:18:39,003 --> 01:18:40,337
you make a composition,
1271
01:18:40,370 --> 01:18:44,074
first you start with lines to
make a shape.
1272
01:18:44,108 --> 01:18:46,777
So then we thought
if we use spears,
1273
01:18:46,811 --> 01:18:52,249
it would be a great way to make
a big piece with small parts.
1274
01:18:52,282 --> 01:18:53,984
And it also has a story.
1275
01:18:54,018 --> 01:18:57,154
Bring spears back to
Africa and working with an
1276
01:18:57,187 --> 01:18:59,924
African sculptor
together in one piece.
1277
01:19:00,624 --> 01:19:02,392
We thought it would be nice.
1278
01:19:31,621 --> 01:19:33,190
- We're the invisible artist.
1279
01:19:34,191 --> 01:19:35,159
You shouldn't see us.
1280
01:19:35,192 --> 01:19:36,760
You should just see nature.
1281
01:19:38,128 --> 01:19:39,663
I'm always trying to educate.
1282
01:19:39,696 --> 01:19:41,932
And that's what I try
to put into my work,
1283
01:19:41,966 --> 01:19:44,468
is those opportunities
to tell a story.
1284
01:19:46,136 --> 01:19:48,939
And that's what's so great about
doing things in museums
1285
01:19:48,973 --> 01:19:50,140
and nature centers,
1286
01:19:50,174 --> 01:19:54,211
is those stories are gonna
be told so many times.
1287
01:19:55,712 --> 01:19:58,182
- It's funny, when you ask
me what my profession is,
1288
01:19:58,215 --> 01:20:00,017
I still don't even
think of it like that.
1289
01:20:00,050 --> 01:20:02,152
It's definitely a passion.
1290
01:20:03,487 --> 01:20:06,891
I remember going to these zoos,
you know, and things would die.
1291
01:20:06,924 --> 01:20:09,726
And I just felt like ah it's
such a waste, you know,
1292
01:20:09,759 --> 01:20:11,896
it's such a beautiful
animal. It's so rare.
1293
01:20:11,929 --> 01:20:13,197
There's not very many of them.
1294
01:20:13,230 --> 01:20:16,566
The only other place you can see
these are in museums.
1295
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,536
So I feel like they need to
be preserved somehow.
1296
01:20:22,639 --> 01:20:24,074
- I will actually retire from
1297
01:20:24,108 --> 01:20:26,076
the Milwaukee
Public Museum next year.
1298
01:20:27,844 --> 01:20:29,246
For financial reasons,
1299
01:20:29,279 --> 01:20:31,481
the museum administration has uh
1300
01:20:31,515 --> 01:20:33,783
eliminated most of
the exhibits department.
1301
01:20:33,817 --> 01:20:36,786
And I am part
of the exhibits department.
1302
01:20:36,820 --> 01:20:40,090
It's really, really, really sad
because it's gonna be
an end of an era.
1303
01:20:41,058 --> 01:20:43,994
And I will have had 35
and a half years there.
1304
01:20:45,695 --> 01:20:47,764
Tim came up and
gave me a big hug and he said
1305
01:20:47,797 --> 01:20:50,100
he didn't know he would be the
last survivor.
1306
01:20:53,103 --> 01:20:55,272
- When I was a kid
and I was reading books
1307
01:20:55,305 --> 01:20:57,574
and then trying to do taxidermy,
1308
01:20:57,607 --> 01:21:00,344
I told my parents that,
you know, one day
1309
01:21:00,377 --> 01:21:02,446
I was gonna be working
in a museum.
1310
01:21:05,182 --> 01:21:07,317
Most major museums
had taxidermists,
1311
01:21:07,351 --> 01:21:10,254
say back in the '50s and '60s.
1312
01:21:10,287 --> 01:21:13,924
I got to walk through these
halls as a kid and look at their
work and admire it.
1313
01:21:15,392 --> 01:21:17,394
You know, I hope
when the time comes
1314
01:21:17,427 --> 01:21:19,596
that I'm not gonna be here
full-time anymore,
1315
01:21:19,629 --> 01:21:23,400
well there'll be somebody coming
in to carry that legacy on.
1316
01:21:26,670 --> 01:21:31,208
- The individuals that are in
taxidermy all have very
unique talents.
1317
01:21:31,241 --> 01:21:34,178
You gotta know the animal.
You've gotta know nature
1318
01:21:34,211 --> 01:21:35,512
You gotta know how they behave.
1319
01:21:36,346 --> 01:21:40,217
Being able to have the skillset
to capture that is very rare.
1320
01:21:40,250 --> 01:21:44,421
You end up spending your entire
life trying to do that.
1321
01:21:44,454 --> 01:21:47,757
But it makes for
an interesting life.
1322
01:21:49,826 --> 01:21:53,263
- In art, a lot of people who
use taxidermy for artwork,
1323
01:21:53,297 --> 01:21:55,232
they use it in a different way.
1324
01:21:55,265 --> 01:21:58,135
They want to shock people.
1325
01:21:58,168 --> 01:21:59,103
We are the opposite.
1326
01:21:59,136 --> 01:22:00,770
We want to emphasize
the beauty of it,
1327
01:22:00,804 --> 01:22:03,140
because they are beautiful.
1328
01:22:04,975 --> 01:22:08,245
- When you skin an animal, it
becomes material in a way.
1329
01:22:08,278 --> 01:22:11,515
But it's such beautiful material
1330
01:22:11,548 --> 01:22:13,083
and you know where it's from.
1331
01:22:13,117 --> 01:22:16,720
So give the credits
where it belong:
1332
01:22:16,753 --> 01:22:18,122
in nature.
1333
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:22,826
- Taxidermists just
love animals.
1334
01:22:22,859 --> 01:22:27,998
We show people this little
frozen bit of nature.
1335
01:22:29,633 --> 01:22:32,536
- We treat this as somewhat
of a silent obsession,
1336
01:22:32,569 --> 01:22:36,273
re-creating the animal,
breathing life into it.
1337
01:22:37,474 --> 01:22:40,377
- It's this connection that
cannot be described.
1338
01:22:41,178 --> 01:22:43,713
- There's a little piece of us
that goes into every single
1339
01:22:43,747 --> 01:22:44,714
mount we do.
1340
01:22:45,549 --> 01:22:48,452
- I get to make that
golden eagle immortal.
1341
01:22:48,485 --> 01:22:50,954
I'm immortal in that too.
1342
01:22:50,987 --> 01:22:52,522
My passion is.
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