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[ Man Narrating] We're looking into a classroom.
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You know ifs a classroom because your eyes tell you.
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Think for a moment how many things you know...
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just because your eyes tell you.
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You know what the weather is like
when you look outside.
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You know that Tommy Walker
wore his plaid shirt today.
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You can read your lessons and learn things...
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because you can see.
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You know your teacher better because you can see her.
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Watch, now. Use your eyes...
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and you'll learn how you can take
good care of your eyes.
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About five years ago, I was running a lathe...
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and had safety glasses on,
and as I was running the lathe...
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a piece of hot steel chipped off...
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bounced off of my cheek,
off the glass, and went into my eye.
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So, um, in about a day or two, I couldn't really see.
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My eye was really hurting bad.
I couldn't even do paperwork in my office.
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The fluorescent light in my office would hurt my eye.
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I had to wear sunglasses while I was doing paperwork.
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So eventually I went to the doctor.
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When I got there, I told him,
"My eye's killing me. I can't really see out of it."
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So he put some liquid cocaine eyedrops in...
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which immediately just - relief.
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I could see everything. I thought it was
over with. I was ready to leave.
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And the doctor said, “No, no, no,”
so he brought me into the office...
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and when I went into the office, he took a swab...
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put a chemical on it, and rubbed it into my eye.
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After he did that, he turned out the lights
and put on an ultraviolet light.
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He looked in, and everything was glowing in my eye.
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He said he could see a big ole' sliver of steel...
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that was right on the edge
of the blue part right next to the pupil...
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and he said if it'd been over just a fraction more...
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it would've put my eye out.
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So I asked him what to do, and he said,
"Put your head in this harness.”
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So I put my head in the harness like this...
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and he pulled out a hypodermic needle.
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I thought I was getting a shot in the eye,
and he said, "No, don't worry.”
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He took the needle off the end of it,
and he came at my eye...
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and pulled out a piece of steel
about an inch long out of my eye.
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And that's about it.
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Well, I sleep with my eyes open...
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and they dry out, and then when I blink...
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my eyelids tear pieces of my eye off.
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Very painful.
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And I've tried a number of things...
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to try to keep this from happening.
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I wrapped an ACE bandage around my eyes one night...
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to try to keep them shut, but that didn't work...
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and tried loading my eyes up
with all kinds of goop...
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to keep them wet during the night - that didn't work.
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So what I've been doing is...
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taping them shut at night...
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which seems to work okay.
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But it's pretty uncomfortable.
It looks pretty funny too.
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Well, what happened -
I went to dinner with the wife...
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and, um, I started getting a headache...
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a real bad headache, and I never was sick before...
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so I said, "Well, let's go to a hospital."
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She said, “You just got a headache.
Let's go home and get some aspirin."
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I said, “No, let's go to the hospital.”
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So we went to Baptist Hospital...
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and we got there, and my eye started closing.
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My, uh - It just started -
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One eye just started closing, on the right.
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And it started hurting real bad,
and I was talking to the nurse...
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and the doctor was coming through the hall...
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while I was explaining to her what was going on.
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And he looked at me and grabbed me
and took me upstairs...
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and they took me right into X-ray,
and they checked it out.
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And what it was, it was
an aneurysm behind my optic nerve...
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and it was pressing against the nerve,
and it started ballooning out...
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and it started getting ready to bust.
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And they took me right into surgery.
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They cut my deal open...
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and did microscopic surgery...
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right behind the optic nerve.
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They sealed off the blood vessel
that was ballooning out.
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And later the doctor told me if I would've waited...
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like an hour more, I wouldn't
be living today, you know.
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And the wife told me to go home.
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If I'd have went home,
I wouldn't have made it to the hospital.
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Well, it's really difficult
to tell anybody this story...
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because it was such a dumb thing to do, but...
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I accidentally...
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put Super Glue in my eye...
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thinking I was putting eyedrops.
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It was very late at night.
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I guess things like this
always happen late at night...
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but my husband drags me off to the emergency room.
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I'm screaming. I think I've been disfigured...
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or blinded, at the least.
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We're there for several hours, and I'm told that...
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I can either have surgery to open the eye...
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or I can just wait...
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for the Super Glue to dissolve.
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I understand it does not adhere to human tissue...
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and I was told that that would
probably be the best option.
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So that's what I did. I waited...
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three or four days,
and finally it just loosened on its own.
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And it all flaked out...
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and I'm not blind.
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I have funny eyelashes, but otherwise I'm okay.
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It was about ten years ago.
I was doing a brake job on my pickup truck...
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and, uh, I was cleaning the backing plate.
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I had it up on blocks.
I had the wheels and everything torn apart...
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and I was cleaning the backing plate
with a wire brush...
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on an air tool...
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and there was one spot left,
about the size of a quarter...
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and the only way I could see it
was to look around to the side.
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And it was throwing dirt back on me,
so I thought about getting safety glasses...
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but then I thought,
"Nah, it's only the size of a quarter.
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I'll finish it right away.”
So I stuck the tool back in...
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and sure enough, a little dirt in the eye.
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So I went into my trailer...
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and I went into the bathroom.
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I looked in the mirror
and opened my eye up like this...
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and sure enough, bull's-eye -
a piece of wire sticking straight in the eye.
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And I tried to grab it with my finger...
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and it was too short,
so I went outside and got my pliers...
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wiped the grease off, came in, grabbed hold of 'em...
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and I started pulling,
and the eye was stretching out.
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And I thought, “I don't know what I should do...
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but if I go see a doctor,
they'll have to take it out."
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So I grabbed it again with the pliers
and pulled it out...
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and when I did, it tore a hole in the eye...
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and the front sac of the eye
drained all the fluid out...
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and I was blinded in one eye.
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And the worst part was, I had
to finish the brake job with one eye -
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two and a half hours -
so I could drive into town and see a doctor.
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Well, this incident took place
right after a karate event.
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I had placed well in a tournament...
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was leaving the exhibit hall,
and was carrying a trophy.
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I sensed something was wrong, though.
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I did a 360-degree turnaround.
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I really felt something was wrong.
Maybe somebody was there.
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But I was excited
I had done well at the tournament...
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so I proceeded on to the parking lot...
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took a couple of steps, and someone
or something hit me from behind.
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I later found out to be the trophy,
the karate trophy I was carrying...
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with the foot figure and the hand figure...
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it raked right across my eye...
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and I fell to the ground...
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and immediately put my hand upon my eye...
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and felt a golf-ball-size object...
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which I later found out to be my eye.
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My instinct was to push up.
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I pushed and held pressure and looked up...
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and there was someone taunting me...
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and I later found out it was to be someone...
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who I'd fought earlier in the day
at the karate event.
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I went on a fishing trip with some kids.
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We were on the bank of Camp Singing Waters River...
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and while we were standing there,
I was baiting my hook...
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and somebody in front of me
must have flipped back their pole.
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And I can still see this image,
and their arm's about to move forward...
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and a tug on my eyelid, and the hook had come...
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right through my eyelid
and was pulling my eyelid out.
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A lady grabbed the kid, knocked him to the ground...
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and grabbed the string.
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Somehow they cut the string,
and I had to walk back to the camp.
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After they took the worm off,
all I had was a hook sticking in my eye...
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and they were able to get it out.
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Well, I was cleaning my mother's oven
with a heavy-duty oven cleaner...
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and the thought had crossed my mind
to put some glasses on.
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And right at that moment, I hit the back
corner of the oven with the sponge...
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and it sprayed right into my left eye.
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And the pain was just excruciating...
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and I immediately ran to the sink
and started flushing my eye with water.
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And once I regained
some of my thoughts and composure...
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I ran into the shower and shaved -
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not “shaved,” excuse me -
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washed my eye out, oh, for about 20 minutes.
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And then I realized that I had no money...
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and no way to get to a hospital,
because I'm in Washington, D.C...
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and my mother was out with the car.
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So at that point,
I decided to make some phone calls...
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and call my dad, and he's a doctor...
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and he said that I did the right thing.
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And at that point, Mom came home...
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took me to the emergency room,
where they signed me in...
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and I had to wait about two hours
until the doctor told me...
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that I saved my own eye.
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And that's pretty much what happened to my eye.
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N' [ Hypnotic Droning]
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[ Spalding Gray] I think - I think it all began...
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[ Spalding Gray] I think - I think it all began...
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the summer that I turned 50.
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I was leading a storytelling workshop
in upstate New York, about 15 people in it.
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I asked them before they began
telling their stories...
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to sit in a circle as a kind of centering exercise...
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and just look into one an0ther's eyes.
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Just eyes.
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“When you get tired of looking
into one person's eyes...
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move on to the next, and so on around the circle.”
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And I was participating in this exercise...
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and I got locked into the eyes...
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of this one particular woman and could not get out.
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Her name: Azaria Thornbird.
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She was tall, blond, blue eyes...
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about 33 years old, dressed in white -
the Immaculate Conception.
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And I got locked into her eyes and mesmerized.
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And as I was staring at her face,
I saw that it was slowly decomposing...
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and drooling down off of her skull
like a horror movie.
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- Like a bad LSD trip.
- [♪♪ Intensifies ]
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And all of a sudden, her face turned
into this pulsing oval ball of white light.
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I'd never seen anything like it except
on the cover of a Carlos Castaneda book.
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And it was dilating my pupils, this light.
Then all of a sudden - boom!
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It came together in a point, shot out the window...
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like a white tornado, and her face recomposed...
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and was smiling back at me.
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- And immediately my rational, logical
voice kicked in and said... - ♪♪[ends]
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“That was just a case of backlighting, wasn't it?
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Dilating my pupils like that -
it was extreme backlighting.
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Backlighting.”
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So I got back home...
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where I was trying to work on and finish my novel...
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Impossible Vacation.
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And I was reading over and over
a particularly painful section...
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about my mother's suicide...
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trying to get it right...
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and I noticed that the print
on the page was breaking down.
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I assumed it couldn't be the print.
I thought it must be eye fatigue.
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So I remember playing around with my eyes.
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I started by covering my left eye...
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and everything on the right was in focus...
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no matter where I put the manuscript.
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Then I covered my right...
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and everything was out of focus...
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no matter where I held the manuscript.
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And this was pretty frightening.
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It was so frightening,
I thought I'd better forget about it.
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Finish the novel first, then worry about my eyes.
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So it was about four months before I got up
the courage to get an eye examination.
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I didn't have an ophthalmologist,
so I had one recommended to me...
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a Dr. Schecter on the Upper East Side.
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And I went up for the standard exam,
not telling him anything about my eyes...
237
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and he began with a little penlight,
shining it into my right eye...
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then over to my left, then to my right again.
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Things were going smoothly. Over to my left.
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Then just as he's pulling to my right,
he goes left, left.
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He brings down all these
other instruments. Left, left, left.
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It's like a scene from General Hospital,
only the dramatic music is missing.
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He pulls all the instruments away, and he says...
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“I think you have something wrong
with the retina of your left eye...
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but I can't tell you what it is
because I'm not a retina specialist.
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But I can recommend one to you, and I think...
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you should go to him this afternoon.”
248
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So he recommends a Dr. Mendel on the Upper West Side.
249
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I don't even bother to take a cab. I charge
from the Upper East to the Upper West...
250
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running through Central Park
with my hand over my right eye...
251
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noticing, “Oh, my God! This is really serious.
252
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The trees are all wavy. There's no right angles.
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The Rollerbladers are fuzz balls.”
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I get to Dr. Mendel's office.
The first thing that happens...
255
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is the nurse comes out,
and she puts drops in my eyes.
256
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I don't know what they're for. I'm just doing
what I do in any doctor's waiting room.
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I'm catching up on my reading, you know?
People, Time, and Newsweek.
258
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What else do you do in a doctor's waiting room?
259
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You don't look at the art!
260
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So pretty soon I realize my pupils are dilating.
261
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She's put drops in my eyes to dilate
my pupils, and I can't read anymore.
262
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I have to put down the books.
I'm going blind in the waiting room.
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I'm reduced to waiting.
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I'm waiting "m the waiting room!
265
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At last the nurse comes in
and leads me in to Dr. Mendel.
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Introduces me. He's a bit of a fuzz ball to me...
267
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but what I do notice is, he's got
this rather large syringe in his hand.
268
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He tells me he's got to shoot me up
with some colored dye.
269
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I think, “Why not? He's the doctor.”
270
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I mean, he's one of these guys
you gotta ask, “Why? What for?
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What's going on?” with everything.
So he tells me what he has to do...
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is put colored dye in me to highlight
the veins and capillaries in my eye...
273
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and take color photos of my eye. Fine.
274
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So the nurse puts my chin up on this brace,
and I'm looking into two holes.
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Happens to be the camera.
Happens to be a flash camera.
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Whoa! I'm pulling back.
The nurse is not holding my hand.
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She's pushing my head forward. It's like a torture.
278
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It's like a Clockwork Orange situation.
All I can see is spots.
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I pull away. I see Dr. Mendel
racing across his floor...
280
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gown blowing in the nonexistent breeze.
281
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He's going off, scribbling madly
in shorthand on a pad...
282
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to develop the photographs, and I'm sitting there...
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waiting.
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Dilated and waiting.
285
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Now the nurse is holding my hand, telling me about...
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some package deal she has to the Bahamas.
287
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At last, Dr. Mendel breezes back
into the room, scribbling on his pad.
288
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He goes past me to the telephone.
Instead of speaking to me...
289
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he calls my ophthalmologist, Dr. Schecter.
290
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Dr. Schecter isn't in,
so Dr. Mendel leaves a message.
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“Hello? Dr. Schecter?
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Dr. Mendel here. First of all, I want to thank you...
293
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for sending over your patient, Gary Spalding.
294
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Close inspection of the left macula
shows that there is a distortion...
295
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of the interior limiting membrane...
296
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secondary to the posterior hyaloid-face contraction.
297
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But the posterior hyaloid, which is
attached to the optic nerve macula...
298
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and major vessels of the retina,
have remained attached and intact.”
299
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“Uh, Dr. Mandel. Over here, please.
It's me, the patient.”
300
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He turns his back to me and goes on dictating.
301
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“With dissolution of the central vitreous gel...
302
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the envelope that the vitreous gel
is in begins to shrink...
303
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and distort the surface of the retina.
304
00:15:16,666 --> 00:15:20,136
A fluorescein angiogram was done to
determine the amount of vascular distortion.
305
00:15:20,294 --> 00:15:22,467
I was surprised to see...
306
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that he has some minimal
cystoid macula edema on that left eye...
307
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on the basis of that capillary
incompetence from that distortion.
308
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Thank you very much.”
309
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“Uh, Dr.-Dr. Mendel, please.
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What is wrong with my left eye? Tell me.”
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“Basically, Gary...
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you have a macula pucker.”
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“A wh-wh-what - A ma-ma-mac-
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A macula pucker? Wh-What is that, Dr. Mendel?”
315
00:15:50,491 --> 00:15:52,835
“Basically what's happened
is that your vitreal gel...
316
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has broken down and decomposed in your left eye...
317
00:15:55,246 --> 00:15:57,374
and pulled away from the macula...
318
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which is the center of the retina
and responsible for all detail in vision.
319
00:16:00,460 --> 00:16:03,009
Now, the breakdown of the vitreal gel
is not that uncommon.
320
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We find in most autopsies
that the cadaver no longer has a vitreal gel.
321
00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:08,968
In your case you were less fortunate...
322
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because in pulling away from the macula,
it left a little piece of tissue...
323
00:16:11,554 --> 00:16:13,477
and it's caused your macula to pucker up.
324
00:16:13,598 --> 00:16:16,192
Think of your retina
as a piece of Saran Wrap bunching.
325
00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:19,483
You have a pucker, Gary. A pucker.”
326
00:16:19,604 --> 00:16:22,608
“But what would cause that? I can't possibly -
327
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I don't have it happen in my right eye.
328
00:16:24,734 --> 00:16:27,157
I mean, wh-what would cause a thing like that?”
329
00:16:27,278 --> 00:16:30,202
“I don't know. Did you have
any trauma to that left eye?"
330
00:16:30,323 --> 00:16:32,542
“Um, I can't think of any.
331
00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:36,125
I mean, the last thing I remember happening
to my left eye was so long ago.
332
00:16:36,245 --> 00:16:39,215
It was 1976, I remember. It was New Year's Eve.
333
00:16:39,332 --> 00:16:41,380
I was dancing with this woman.
334
00:16:41,542 --> 00:16:44,671
She didn't have a good sense of her own
personal space, if you know what I mean...
335
00:16:44,795 --> 00:16:47,969
and her pinkie shot into my left eye,
and she scratched my cornea.
336
00:16:48,090 --> 00:16:50,468
It was tearing. It was painful.
They put a patch over it.”
337
00:16:50,593 --> 00:16:52,391
He just turns to me and says...
338
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“You have a good memory, don't you, Gary?"
339
00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:56,983
“But is there anything that could be -
340
00:16:57,099 --> 00:16:59,727
you know, be done for the left eye?
Any corrective measures?"
341
00:16:59,894 --> 00:17:01,737
“Yes, I think so.
342
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I recommend a little macular scraping."
343
00:17:05,525 --> 00:17:08,244
As soon as I heard that word "scraping”...
344
00:17:08,361 --> 00:17:10,989
I knew I wanted a second, third, and fourth opinion.
345
00:17:11,113 --> 00:17:14,458
He tells me, don't bother.
He's the best macular scraper in town.
346
00:17:14,575 --> 00:17:17,499
Up until then, I really didn't like this man.
Now I hated him.
347
00:17:17,620 --> 00:17:20,590
I had no problem walking
right out of that office without any guilt.
348
00:17:20,706 --> 00:17:22,583
I go back and tell Renée what he said.
349
00:17:22,708 --> 00:17:24,585
She's very upset, but she's also excited...
350
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:26,587
because it means she can do research.
351
00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:28,589
It's gonna give her some focus.
She's very good at research.
352
00:17:28,714 --> 00:17:31,593
She wants to find the best macular scraper in town.
353
00:17:31,717 --> 00:17:34,436
I'm no good at research.
What am I good at? I don't know.
354
00:17:34,554 --> 00:17:37,683
Sitting at my desk and speculating.
Speculating on causes.
355
00:17:37,807 --> 00:17:40,606
Sitting down with my notebook.
"What could have caused this thing?"
356
00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:44,276
Because under no circumstances
do I want it to happen to my right eye.
357
00:17:44,397 --> 00:17:46,775
So I'm sitting there thinking, “lt's my book.
358
00:17:46,899 --> 00:17:49,027
That's 'n. Impossible Vacation.
359
00:17:49,151 --> 00:17:52,826
Reading over and over that painful section
about my mother's suicide.
360
00:17:52,947 --> 00:17:56,577
I mean, without probably
mourning her or grieving her loss...
361
00:17:56,701 --> 00:17:59,454
it probably made me cry in one major way.
362
00:17:59,579 --> 00:18:01,877
My eye just exploded. One big tear.”
363
00:18:01,998 --> 00:18:04,968
Then I thought, “No, it's because
I wrote it in the first person - the book.
364
00:18:05,126 --> 00:18:09,131
It was simply too much 'I, I, I, I, l."'
365
00:18:09,297 --> 00:18:12,426
Then I thought, “No, it's my left brain
rebelling against my right.”
366
00:18:12,550 --> 00:18:14,769
Or vice versa, because I am dyslexic.
367
00:18:14,885 --> 00:18:16,887
Now, whenever I'd ask any of my New Age friends...
368
00:18:17,013 --> 00:18:19,436
what they thought was going on, they would say...
369
00:18:19,557 --> 00:18:23,607
“Well, what is it you don't want to see?"
370
00:18:23,728 --> 00:18:26,106
And I had lists.
371
00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:28,232
Then I thought it was my Oedipus complex...
372
00:18:28,357 --> 00:18:31,031
because the book Impossible Vacation
was somewhat about that.
373
00:18:31,152 --> 00:18:34,497
Not that I was consciously aware
of ever wanting to sleep with my mother...
374
00:18:34,655 --> 00:18:38,705
but at the time I was writing the book,
I was reading Freud's essay on negation.
375
00:18:38,826 --> 00:18:42,672
And in that essay, Freud says
the denial of some state of affairs...
376
00:18:42,788 --> 00:18:45,132
is the implicit acknowledgement of it.
377
00:18:45,249 --> 00:18:48,378
So that if a guy says he never
wanted to sleep with his mother...
378
00:18:48,502 --> 00:18:51,676
the chances are he gave it some solid consideration.
379
00:18:51,797 --> 00:18:55,347
So I'm thinking now the unconscious part
that gave it the solid consideration...
380
00:18:55,468 --> 00:18:59,098
is now reaching up and scratching out
my eyes one at a time...
381
00:18:59,221 --> 00:19:02,100
beginning with my left and feminine eye.
382
00:19:02,224 --> 00:19:05,478
So that's what I'm doing with my time!
383
00:19:05,603 --> 00:19:07,480
Meanwhile, while I was speculating on causes...
384
00:19:07,605 --> 00:19:11,655
Renée was out looking for - and finding -
one of the best macular men around.
385
00:19:11,776 --> 00:19:13,619
A Chinese doctor. I liked him immediately.
386
00:19:13,736 --> 00:19:15,579
He had a really good bedside manner.
387
00:19:15,696 --> 00:19:17,573
You know, a smile like Buddha.
388
00:19:17,698 --> 00:19:20,121
Most of these eye doctors are like automatons.
389
00:19:20,242 --> 00:19:22,210
Also, I liked his language.
390
00:19:22,328 --> 00:19:24,547
Instead of “macular scraping”...
391
00:19:24,705 --> 00:19:29,381
he referred to what had to be done
to my eye as “macular peeling." Right?
392
00:19:29,502 --> 00:19:31,345
Also, he says, “Mr. Gray...
393
00:19:31,462 --> 00:19:34,466
please stop worrying about causes...
394
00:19:34,590 --> 00:19:37,264
because this condition is idiopathic...
395
00:19:37,385 --> 00:19:40,059
meaning 'no known cause.“
396
00:19:40,179 --> 00:19:42,523
Idiopathic.
397
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,190
He wants me to know all about the operation.
It's a relatively new operation.
398
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:48,187
It costs $10,000.
399
00:19:48,312 --> 00:19:51,407
It's not guaranteed
to correct my vision, but it could help.
400
00:19:51,524 --> 00:19:53,902
What he has to do is take a very sharp knife...
401
00:19:54,068 --> 00:19:57,038
and cut my left eye in two places, two incisions.
402
00:19:57,154 --> 00:20:00,454
Into the first he sticks
a little miniature vacuum cleaner...
403
00:20:00,574 --> 00:20:03,748
a little pump, to suck out
what's left of the vitreal gel.
404
00:20:03,911 --> 00:20:06,039
Then, in he sticks a teeny little peeler.
405
00:20:06,163 --> 00:20:08,257
Microscopic. It's microsurgery.
406
00:20:08,374 --> 00:20:10,718
And he peels the retina.
407
00:20:10,835 --> 00:20:13,964
Now, he wants me to know
what risks are involved in the operation...
408
00:20:14,088 --> 00:20:17,683
so I can make an educated choice
and he won't be responsible.
409
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,679
The first risk is slight chance of infection...
410
00:20:20,803 --> 00:20:23,056
which would mean prosthesis.
411
00:20:23,180 --> 00:20:26,559
Also, he could slip
and tear the retina while peeling...
412
00:20:26,684 --> 00:20:29,779
which would mean instant blindness in the left eye.
413
00:20:29,895 --> 00:20:32,318
Also, there's a 35 percent chance of cataract...
414
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,659
due to the trauma from the operation...
415
00:20:34,775 --> 00:20:38,279
and there's a one percent chance
that the whole condition...
416
00:20:38,404 --> 00:20:40,327
will simply clear up on its own...
417
00:20:41,449 --> 00:20:44,123
which I'm banking on.
418
00:20:44,285 --> 00:20:46,458
“But, Mr. Gray,” he says, “no rush.
419
00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:49,339
We don't have to operate right away.
I have to check on it every so often.
420
00:20:49,457 --> 00:20:51,425
See how it's progressing. We can take our time."
421
00:20:51,542 --> 00:20:54,136
“You can? Well, that's great. You mean -
422
00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:56,096
'Cause I'm not gonna sit around and wait.
423
00:20:56,213 --> 00:20:57,965
I could try alternatives, right, while I'm waiting?
424
00:20:58,090 --> 00:21:00,434
Like diet, acupuncture, prayer, all three?
425
00:21:00,551 --> 00:21:02,269
I could do that, couldn't I?”
426
00:21:02,386 --> 00:21:05,856
“Oh, yes,” he says, with his great Buddha smile.
427
00:21:05,973 --> 00:21:09,568
“Try all the alternatives you want.
428
00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:12,404
Then we'll have to operate.”
429
00:21:12,521 --> 00:21:15,149
So I got back home
and told Renée what the doctor said...
430
00:21:15,316 --> 00:21:17,159
and she said, “Spald...
431
00:21:17,318 --> 00:21:19,787
do you know what 'prosthesis' means?”
432
00:21:19,904 --> 00:21:21,952
And I said, “Um, I think so.
433
00:21:22,072 --> 00:21:25,372
I mean, I thought I knew when I walked
in here, but now I'm a little fuzzy.
434
00:21:25,493 --> 00:21:28,872
Wait a minute. It hasn't got anything
to do with the prostate gland, does it?
435
00:21:28,996 --> 00:21:32,341
No, wait. Doesn't it mean
'false arm' or 'false leg?”'
436
00:21:32,458 --> 00:21:36,759
And Renée says, "Try 'eye.' Try 'glass eye."'
437
00:21:36,879 --> 00:21:39,257
Oh, God. I didn't want to go
into a hospital if I could help it.
438
00:21:39,381 --> 00:21:42,305
I didn't want to go in. A friend of mine
around the time this was going on...
439
00:21:42,426 --> 00:21:45,475
went in for a simple gall bladder operation,
into a New York hospital.
440
00:21:45,596 --> 00:21:48,099
The nurse gave him a shot
in the wrong quadrant of his buttock...
441
00:21:48,224 --> 00:21:50,443
and hit his sciatic nerve
and paralyzed his right leg.
442
00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:52,436
Now he's suing the hospital for a million dollars.
443
00:21:52,561 --> 00:21:54,234
I didn't want to go in!
444
00:21:54,355 --> 00:21:56,904
I had a girlfriend that was dating her ob-gyn...
445
00:21:57,024 --> 00:22:00,119
and she'd go on these dates to the hospital,
because he had a cubicle with a bed.
446
00:22:00,236 --> 00:22:02,409
He was always waiting to be called to deliver babies.
447
00:22:02,530 --> 00:22:05,204
And also, she'd go there because he had access...
448
00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:07,497
to liquid cocaine...
449
00:22:07,618 --> 00:22:11,122
and they would wipe this liquid cocaine
on their genitals and then light a doobie...
450
00:22:11,247 --> 00:22:13,215
and go to town.
451
00:22:13,374 --> 00:22:16,344
And in the middle of this date,
the doctor's beeper would go off...
452
00:22:16,460 --> 00:22:19,213
and he'd jump up stoned with an erection
and go off and deliver a baby.
453
00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:21,386
I didn't want to go in! I didn't want to!
454
00:22:21,549 --> 00:22:24,644
I didn't want to go into a hospital
if I could help it, please!
455
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,933
Also, what did I know about hospitals or doctors?
456
00:22:27,054 --> 00:22:29,205
I grew up as a Christian Scientist.
I had no experience with hospitals or doctors.
457
00:22:29,231 --> 00:22:31,084
[ Birds Chirping ]
458
00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:34,403
Growing up as a Christian Scientist
in Barrington, Rhode Island, was lonely.
459
00:22:34,562 --> 00:22:36,439
There were about six of us:
460
00:22:36,564 --> 00:22:38,692
my three brothers,
a couple of brothers down the street.
461
00:22:38,816 --> 00:22:41,820
There was no church in Barrington.
We had to go to church in Providence.
462
00:22:41,944 --> 00:22:44,163
Basically, my friends treated me like anyone else...
463
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,248
except in the summertime they'd get bored...
464
00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:48,288
and kind of back me up against an elm tree...
465
00:22:48,409 --> 00:22:51,583
and start their own little
Protestant Inquisition by saying...
466
00:22:51,745 --> 00:22:54,669
“You're a Christian Scientist, right?”
“That's right.”
467
00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:58,090
“That means you don't believe in doctors?”
"Uh, that's right.”
468
00:22:58,252 --> 00:23:00,971
- “Uh, say lightning hit this tree now...
- [ Thunder]
469
00:23:01,088 --> 00:23:03,932
And a branch cracked, came down, hit your head,
and your brains were drooling all over the grass.
470
00:23:04,091 --> 00:23:06,719
Would you go to a doctor then?” “NO-II
471
00:23:06,844 --> 00:23:09,472
“Uh, say you're walking across the street,
and a cement mixer...
472
00:23:09,597 --> 00:23:12,942
- squished and pulverized the whole lower part of your
body into the pavement. - [ Splatter/fly Sounds ]
473
00:23:13,058 --> 00:23:16,278
Would you go to a doctor then?” “NO-II
474
00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:19,023
“Uh...
475
00:23:19,148 --> 00:23:21,776
say the North Koreans invaded
Barrington, Rhode Island...
476
00:23:21,901 --> 00:23:24,620
- and they took a cage of starving rats and put
them up to your ass... - [ Rats Squeaking ]
477
00:23:24,737 --> 00:23:26,739
and the rats started eating
up through into your body.
478
00:23:26,864 --> 00:23:29,663
Would you go to a doctor then?” “No!!!
479
00:23:29,783 --> 00:23:32,502
So I began to feel my friends
had a death wish for me.
480
00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:35,499
I mean, it kind of put me
on the outside of the community.
481
00:23:35,623 --> 00:23:37,876
I did have some healings, though. I remember -
482
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,094
I'm trying to think of one
I can tell you - share with you.
483
00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:42,804
Oh, I know. When I was in seventh grade...
484
00:23:42,963 --> 00:23:45,887
one morning I woke up
with this little, like, piece of flesh...
485
00:23:46,008 --> 00:23:49,262
growing off the end of my nose,
like a little flesh stalactite...
486
00:23:49,386 --> 00:23:53,266
and it kept growing, and my friends
kept looking at me and saying...
487
00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:55,313
“Ya got some snot on your nose.”
488
00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:59,189
And I'd say, “lt's not snot.
489
00:23:59,313 --> 00:24:01,361
It's not.”
490
00:24:01,482 --> 00:24:03,484
So I wanted to have it burned off, cauterized.
491
00:24:03,651 --> 00:24:06,325
I wanted to go to a doctor.
Have a quickie. Bypass prayer.
492
00:24:06,445 --> 00:24:08,698
So I went to my mother and asked her
if she would take me, and she said...
493
00:24:08,822 --> 00:24:10,574
“Spuddy, dear, no. Please.
494
00:24:10,699 --> 00:24:14,203
Let's let the Christian Science
practitioner pray for it first.”
495
00:24:14,328 --> 00:24:17,798
So I had to do it. What can I say? She had the car.
496
00:24:17,915 --> 00:24:20,634
So we all began praying.
I was praying for the little thing to drop off.
497
00:24:20,751 --> 00:24:22,628
She was praying it would drop off.
498
00:24:22,753 --> 00:24:25,222
The Christian Science practitioner
was praying for it to drop off.
499
00:24:25,339 --> 00:24:27,012
But it didn't drop off.
500
00:24:27,174 --> 00:24:29,723
At the end of the week, I said,
"Can I go to the doctor now, Mom?"
501
00:24:29,843 --> 00:24:33,438
And she said, “Give it one more day.
Please, dear, one more day."
502
00:24:33,555 --> 00:24:36,058
Well, I had to give it one more day,
because on that particular day -
503
00:24:36,183 --> 00:24:38,481
it was a Monday -
I was being tutored in seventh-grade math.
504
00:24:38,602 --> 00:24:40,479
I was failing seventh-grade math.
505
00:24:40,604 --> 00:24:42,481
I remember my tutor was this nice older woman...
506
00:24:42,606 --> 00:24:44,483
and she kept looking at my nose.
507
00:24:44,608 --> 00:24:48,329
And she finally said, [Granny Voice ]
“Looks like you could use a hankie.”
508
00:24:48,445 --> 00:24:50,743
So I tried to humor her.
I took her lace handkerchief...
509
00:24:50,864 --> 00:24:52,787
wiped my nose, and...
510
00:24:53,867 --> 00:24:55,915
off it came!
511
00:24:56,036 --> 00:24:57,913
[Chuckles ] So...
512
00:24:58,038 --> 00:25:02,088
keeping this healing in mind,
I decided for my first alternative...
513
00:25:02,209 --> 00:25:04,337
I would try calling a Christian Science practitioner.
514
00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:07,761
I'd never called one before. My mom always had.
515
00:25:07,881 --> 00:25:10,430
So I remember I was touring in London.
516
00:25:10,551 --> 00:25:14,146
I was in London, and I got the name
of a practitioner in San Francisco.
517
00:25:14,263 --> 00:25:16,607
Now, I thought, “The power of prayer
can go around the world, they say.
518
00:25:16,724 --> 00:25:18,726
Maybe it'll go halfway.” So I call up.
519
00:25:18,892 --> 00:25:22,237
Now, when you call a Christian Science
practitioner, you're not supposed to mention...
520
00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:24,527
any disease names.
521
00:25:24,648 --> 00:25:26,742
It gives it power. Don't name the condition.
522
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:29,403
Just refer to it as an “error.”
523
00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:31,496
So needless to say, there's a lot of innuendo...
524
00:25:31,613 --> 00:25:33,661
that goes around that word “error.”
525
00:25:33,782 --> 00:25:36,911
Is it a b-/-i-/-g error, as in cancer?
526
00:25:37,077 --> 00:25:39,375
A little error? Cold. Medium error? Flu.
527
00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:41,794
But I jumped right in and started
describing the condition.
528
00:25:41,915 --> 00:25:44,759
“Hello? This is Spalding Gray calling from London...
529
00:25:44,918 --> 00:25:46,920
and I have an eye condition.
530
00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:49,344
My left eye is totally blurry. They're calling it -”
531
00:25:49,465 --> 00:25:52,139
“I think we've heard just about enough, Mr. Gray.
532
00:25:52,259 --> 00:25:55,604
Now, first of all, I would like you to go
to a Christian Science reading room...
533
00:25:55,721 --> 00:25:59,225
and look up Mary Baker Eddy's book
Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures.
534
00:25:59,349 --> 00:26:03,525
Look up “The Perfection of Eyes,” page 624 and 625.
535
00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:05,898
I will also send you some information.
536
00:26:06,023 --> 00:26:08,025
Now, I want to ask you:
537
00:26:08,150 --> 00:26:10,699
Are you faithful?”
538
00:26:10,819 --> 00:26:14,699
“Oh-uh-you mean, am I filled with faith?”
539
00:26:14,823 --> 00:26:18,453
“No. Are you seeing anyone else?
540
00:26:18,619 --> 00:26:20,963
Any doctors?”
541
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,128
“Oh, I see what you mean.
542
00:26:23,290 --> 00:26:26,920
Well, uh, there's this Chinese guy,
but it's nothing serious.
543
00:26:27,044 --> 00:26:29,513
I mean, once a month I check in with him -”
544
00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:33,430
“I'm afraid we can't work that way.
We can't be duplicitous in our faith.
545
00:26:33,550 --> 00:26:36,303
You have to choose me or the doctor.
So you think it over.
546
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:38,643
You can get back to me anytime. I'll be here.
547
00:26:38,764 --> 00:26:40,766
God bless.”
548
00:26:40,891 --> 00:26:42,768
And he hangs up...
549
00:26:42,893 --> 00:26:45,316
and I realized at that moment...
550
00:26:45,437 --> 00:26:48,281
why it was I had left Christian Science.
551
00:26:48,398 --> 00:26:52,278
So I went to my therapist
to talk to him about my eye condition.
552
00:26:52,402 --> 00:26:55,656
My therapist was a graduate of Auschwitz...
553
00:26:55,781 --> 00:26:58,955
so he was an existential realist.
554
00:26:59,076 --> 00:27:02,797
And I told him the story,
and he listened and then said...
555
00:27:02,913 --> 00:27:07,134
[ Deep, Accented Voice ]
"Spalding - Spalding, please, please.
556
00:27:08,293 --> 00:27:11,046
All things are contingent...
557
00:27:11,171 --> 00:27:14,721
and there is also chaos.
558
00:27:14,842 --> 00:27:16,640
In other words...
559
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,603
shit happens.
560
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,975
Please, give up this magical-thinking business, huh?
561
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:26,024
Airy-fairy, Disneyland, Tinker Bell...
562
00:27:26,186 --> 00:27:29,235
Angels in America nonsense, please.
563
00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:31,779
Do the right thing.
564
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:34,198
Get the operation.”
565
00:27:35,571 --> 00:27:37,539
So he was no help.
566
00:27:38,699 --> 00:27:42,124
So I walk out of my therapist's office
doing my New York walking blues.
567
00:27:42,244 --> 00:27:44,246
I've got a ratty old overcoat...
568
00:27:44,371 --> 00:27:46,749
and I haven't shaved in four days,
and I'm hunched over.
569
00:27:46,874 --> 00:27:49,468
I don't care where I'm walking. I'm just walking...
570
00:27:49,585 --> 00:27:51,553
and I'm thinking, “How?
571
00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:55,095
How could I allow someone
to cut into my eye with a knife?
572
00:27:55,215 --> 00:27:57,559
Cut into the window to my soul?”
573
00:27:57,676 --> 00:27:59,553
And why - why this affliction?
574
00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:02,932
Of all the things - losing the detail in my vision.
575
00:28:03,056 --> 00:28:06,936
I mean, I totally depend on seeing
the detail in order to tell stories.
576
00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:10,781
I'm not making any of this up. I mean,
don't you think I'd rather sit at home...
577
00:28:10,898 --> 00:28:12,775
and be able to make things up?
578
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:14,902
It'd be so much less wear and tear on my body.
579
00:28:15,068 --> 00:28:16,945
But I'm thinking, “I need my right eye.
580
00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:19,414
What would happen if I went blind in my right eye?
581
00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:22,751
I mean, what would I become?
A blind poet in New York City?
582
00:28:22,910 --> 00:28:25,663
I hate poetry,” I'm thinking as I'm walking.
583
00:28:25,787 --> 00:28:28,131
And I find I'm walking now in the Bowery...
584
00:28:28,248 --> 00:28:30,296
which is fine, because I feel like...
585
00:28:30,417 --> 00:28:33,921
I belong there at this point,
and a bunch of prostitutes are on the street.
586
00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:36,219
You know, the kind that just trick out of cars?
587
00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:38,968
And they're paying no attention to me.
I'm walking on by.
588
00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:41,971
In fact, they're rushing over
to an old black Pontiac...
589
00:28:42,095 --> 00:28:45,941
I see pulling up to the curb there
out of the corner of my good eye.
590
00:28:46,058 --> 00:28:48,060
They're rushing over like-like -
591
00:28:48,185 --> 00:28:50,233
like a bunch of prostitutes, really.
592
00:28:50,354 --> 00:28:53,153
And they get over to the car,
and one of them turns and yells...
593
00:28:53,273 --> 00:28:55,776
“Hey, yo, boy! Over here!
594
00:28:55,901 --> 00:28:58,074
They want you!”
595
00:28:59,529 --> 00:29:01,907
And I turned...
596
00:29:02,032 --> 00:29:03,784
because I'm curious...
597
00:29:04,826 --> 00:29:07,295
and I love to be wanted.
598
00:29:07,454 --> 00:29:10,503
And I walk over,
and the prostitutes part like the Red Sea...
599
00:29:10,624 --> 00:29:12,752
and I walk up to this old black Pontiac...
600
00:29:12,876 --> 00:29:14,878
and it's got three Hasidic Jews in it -
601
00:29:15,003 --> 00:29:16,880
two in the front, one in the back.
602
00:29:17,005 --> 00:29:19,224
And they say, “Get in.”
603
00:29:20,842 --> 00:29:22,344
And I do...
604
00:29:22,469 --> 00:29:24,471
because I'm curious...
605
00:29:24,638 --> 00:29:26,982
and I love to be wanted.
606
00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:31,190
So I get in the back with the youngest,
and they drive off down the Bowery.
607
00:29:31,311 --> 00:29:35,361
The prostitutes are yelling,
“Bye! Have a good trick!”
608
00:29:35,482 --> 00:29:37,701
So I don't know - Where are they taking me, I ask.
609
00:29:37,818 --> 00:29:40,492
They tell me they're taking me over to Williamsburg.
610
00:29:40,654 --> 00:29:43,658
I think, “Well, why not?
I've never been to Williamsburg.
611
00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:45,830
Why not take a tour? Williamsburg.
612
00:29:45,951 --> 00:29:48,045
Go with the chosen people.”
613
00:29:48,161 --> 00:29:50,414
So by now, anyway, I'm telling them my name is Peter.
614
00:29:50,539 --> 00:29:52,507
I say I'm a drifter from Schenectady.
615
00:29:52,666 --> 00:29:55,545
I'm kind of just making myself up.
Tired of the old Spalding Gray, you know?
616
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:58,513
“Peter with perfect eyes” kind of concept.
617
00:29:58,672 --> 00:30:00,766
And they're saying, do I want anything to eat?
618
00:30:00,882 --> 00:30:04,182
They want to buy pizza and beer for me.
I say, “No, no, thank you.
619
00:30:04,344 --> 00:30:07,143
I've just eaten, and I don't drink before 5:00.”
620
00:30:07,264 --> 00:30:09,938
So over the bridge we go.
Pull up in front of a synagogue.
621
00:30:10,058 --> 00:30:12,481
I go with the flow. I follow the three of them in.
622
00:30:12,602 --> 00:30:14,479
We go into this old synagogue.
623
00:30:14,604 --> 00:30:16,481
Other Hasidic Jews are in there...
624
00:30:16,606 --> 00:30:18,859
mending the bindings of old books and looking up...
625
00:30:19,026 --> 00:30:20,903
and winking at me like little Santa Clauses.
626
00:30:21,028 --> 00:30:23,702
I follow the driver of the car into the kitchen.
627
00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:26,041
He gets out a couple of plastic garbage bags...
628
00:30:26,199 --> 00:30:28,122
a rake, a shovel, a broom...
629
00:30:28,243 --> 00:30:31,042
opens the back door,
referring me out to the backyard...
630
00:30:31,204 --> 00:30:33,047
says, “Please.
631
00:30:33,206 --> 00:30:35,800
Go. Clean.”
632
00:30:35,917 --> 00:30:38,386
So, hey, I knew I could just say
I was Spalding Gray...
633
00:30:38,545 --> 00:30:40,718
and drop everything and walk away, but I didn't.
634
00:30:40,881 --> 00:30:42,804
I continued to be Peter.
635
00:30:42,924 --> 00:30:45,097
And I walked down into that backyard...
636
00:30:45,218 --> 00:30:47,937
and I took the rake, and I began to rake.
637
00:30:48,055 --> 00:30:51,935
I'm raking up all these broken
plastic knives and forks and paper plates...
638
00:30:52,059 --> 00:30:54,653
and things left over from parties and wet leaves.
639
00:30:54,770 --> 00:30:57,774
I'm doing a good job.
In fact, I feel this energy. Mm!
640
00:30:57,898 --> 00:31:01,744
This raking energy I haven't felt
since I was a kid in my father's yard.
641
00:31:01,902 --> 00:31:05,406
I'm doing such a good job, I could feel
these muscles in here getting strong again.
642
00:31:05,572 --> 00:31:08,451
I'm doing such a good job, a woman
that lives behind the synagogue...
643
00:31:08,575 --> 00:31:10,919
throws up her window and says, “Yo, boy! Hey!
644
00:31:11,078 --> 00:31:13,501
You work good. You come here next?
How much you charge?"
645
00:31:13,622 --> 00:31:16,171
I said, “No, no, no. I'm all booked up. Sorry."
646
00:31:16,291 --> 00:31:19,545
About an hour's time
I got all the leaves in the bag, tied up.
647
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:21,592
The driver of the car walks out on the porch...
648
00:31:21,755 --> 00:31:24,349
looks over, peruses the backyard, says...
649
00:31:24,466 --> 00:31:28,016
“Very good. You work very good.
650
00:31:28,136 --> 00:31:30,559
You are the hardest-working Bowery bum...
651
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,978
we've ever picked up.
652
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:35,944
Usually they come here, they work for drinks.
653
00:31:36,061 --> 00:31:37,938
You don't seem to drink...
654
00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:40,236
so I suppose we must pay you something.”
655
00:31:40,357 --> 00:31:43,657
“Yes. I suppose so.”
656
00:31:43,777 --> 00:31:46,075
“Mm, eight dollars.”
657
00:31:46,196 --> 00:31:49,291
“No, no. Ten. Even up in Schenectady,
it's ten dollars an hour.
658
00:31:49,449 --> 00:31:51,292
I've been out here an hour.”
659
00:31:51,451 --> 00:31:55,456
“Mm, eight plus carfare.”
660
00:31:55,622 --> 00:31:58,842
“Uh, no. Ten, and I'll walk.”
661
00:31:58,959 --> 00:32:00,961
Here it is - a Scot and a Jew haggling it out...
662
00:32:01,086 --> 00:32:03,339
in the backyard of a synagogue.
663
00:32:03,463 --> 00:32:05,761
I get the ten dollars, and I walk.
664
00:32:05,882 --> 00:32:08,806
Triumphantly across the Brooklyn Bridge
I'm walking, thinking...
665
00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:10,804
“Hey, look at that.
666
00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:14,433
There is something I can do
if I go blind in my right eye.”
667
00:32:16,351 --> 00:32:18,649
So shortly after this, there was a reunion call...
668
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:21,239
for the storytelling workshop
that I did in upstate...
669
00:32:21,356 --> 00:32:23,358
and it was to be held in New York City.
670
00:32:23,483 --> 00:32:25,656
I wasn't sure if I was going to go...
671
00:32:25,777 --> 00:32:27,745
and then I thought, I'd better go...
672
00:32:27,863 --> 00:32:30,867
because maybe Azaria Thornbird would show up...
673
00:32:30,991 --> 00:32:33,335
and I really wanted to see Azaria again.
674
00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:35,546
L- I want to try to describe her.
675
00:32:35,662 --> 00:32:38,541
It's hard to get words around this woman.
676
00:32:38,665 --> 00:32:42,169
All right. She lives outside Minneapolis.
She's a single mother.
677
00:32:42,335 --> 00:32:44,508
Has two sons she raised.
I think she did a very good job.
678
00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:47,345
I've met them. They're nine and 11 years old.
679
00:32:47,466 --> 00:32:50,015
And the only kind of odd thing for Azaria is that...
680
00:32:50,177 --> 00:32:52,646
she happened to be a sorcerer's apprentice.
681
00:32:52,762 --> 00:32:56,517
She trained with this sorcerer, Everet K. Whiteowl...
682
00:32:56,641 --> 00:32:59,269
who's part Welsh and part Native American Indian...
683
00:32:59,394 --> 00:33:02,898
and he trains out in the desert
outside Los Angeles...
684
00:33:03,023 --> 00:33:05,526
in what I refer to as “Manson country.”
685
00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:08,153
And she was going out to do
these very esoteric trainings...
686
00:33:08,278 --> 00:33:11,623
in astral projection, lucid dream state...
687
00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:15,870
the Breath of Fire, which she's teaching
to women in the Minneapolis area now...
688
00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:20,841
and then - oh, the American Indian
tantric sexual initiations.
689
00:33:20,957 --> 00:33:23,255
The Quidoshka trainings, right?
690
00:33:23,376 --> 00:33:26,755
Which she was about to be initiated to
and he was doing with women out there...
691
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,804
but she couldn't get out to do it
because she was running out of airfare.
692
00:33:29,925 --> 00:33:31,973
She couldn't afford to fly out anymore.
693
00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:35,017
So what she told me she did -
Now, I believed this when she told it to me.
694
00:33:35,138 --> 00:33:37,391
I was very convinced.
She said she would go to sleep at night...
695
00:33:37,557 --> 00:33:39,400
in her bed in Minneapolis...
696
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:42,859
and out of her corporeal body
would rise this astral body.
697
00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:45,073
She'd go into a lucid dream state
and astral-project...
698
00:33:45,232 --> 00:33:48,111
and up would come this astral body,
and it would go and mingle and mix...
699
00:33:48,235 --> 00:33:50,579
around various Indian grandmothers
in the living room...
700
00:33:50,695 --> 00:33:54,495
and then go upstairs and meet
Everet K. Whiteowl's astral body...
701
00:33:54,616 --> 00:33:57,415
and they would have their Quidoshka workshop...
702
00:33:57,536 --> 00:33:59,630
and - zoop! - save money on airfare.
703
00:33:59,746 --> 00:34:01,623
And - thoop! - soon as they finished...
704
00:34:01,748 --> 00:34:04,001
Everet K.'s astral body
would go “whoop!" back to the desert...
705
00:34:04,125 --> 00:34:05,843
faster than American Airlines...
706
00:34:05,961 --> 00:34:08,259
and Azaria's would go “whoop!”
back into her corporeal body...
707
00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:10,257
and she'd wake up in one body.
708
00:34:10,423 --> 00:34:12,642
So I say, “Azaria...
709
00:34:12,759 --> 00:34:15,478
you mean to say you have two bodies -
710
00:34:15,595 --> 00:34:17,518
one that can stand up and look back at the other -
711
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,607
and you've never tried to make love to yourself?"
712
00:34:19,766 --> 00:34:21,439
I mean, that's the first thing
that would occur to me...
713
00:34:21,601 --> 00:34:23,603
before I'd go mixing with Indian grandmothers.
714
00:34:23,728 --> 00:34:27,449
Please myself. She says
it never occurred to her. Never.
715
00:34:27,566 --> 00:34:30,570
And then she says she tried it and it worked.
716
00:34:30,694 --> 00:34:32,537
So she was very open.
717
00:34:32,654 --> 00:34:34,452
Now, what she did show me, actually...
718
00:34:34,573 --> 00:34:36,792
that I did see happen was this Breath of Fire.
719
00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:39,377
Now, this is an extraordinary thing.
I mean, where I come from...
720
00:34:39,494 --> 00:34:42,373
women 200 years ago would've been
burned at the stake for doing this.
721
00:34:42,497 --> 00:34:45,216
She lay on the floor,
and without touching herself once...
722
00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:49,213
she had about eight classic Reichian orgasms.
723
00:34:49,337 --> 00:34:52,090
She came from her toes to her nose. It was like...
724
00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:55,094
[Orgasmic Moaning ]
725
00:34:55,218 --> 00:34:58,973
I'm just sitting there going,
“Teach me, teach me, teach me!
726
00:34:59,139 --> 00:35:02,814
Do you know how many lonely hotels
and motels I stay in across America?
727
00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:04,811
If I could come like that without touching myself...
728
00:35:04,978 --> 00:35:08,482
I'd be a happy man - or at least content.”
729
00:35:08,648 --> 00:35:11,322
So she tells me I have to lie on the floor, right?
730
00:35:11,484 --> 00:35:13,737
And I have to suck the energy in the room -
731
00:35:13,862 --> 00:35:17,412
“energy,” whatever that is -
into the base of my spine.
732
00:35:17,532 --> 00:35:20,251
Through what hole, I don't know.
733
00:35:20,368 --> 00:35:22,245
So I'm doing a lot of visualization.
734
00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:24,418
I see energy as these pink balls of cotton candy...
735
00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:26,416
kind of floating around aimlessly...
736
00:35:26,541 --> 00:35:29,420
and as far as the hole in my spine,
I see my coccyx...
737
00:35:29,544 --> 00:35:31,421
as hollow, with a little cork in it.
738
00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:33,799
[ Makes Popping Sound ]
I take out the cork, and I begin to suck.
739
00:35:33,923 --> 00:35:35,846
[Slurping ]
740
00:35:37,927 --> 00:35:40,100
I mean, really, the closest I could get...
741
00:35:40,221 --> 00:35:42,895
was a sense of reverse farting.
742
00:35:43,016 --> 00:35:47,021
[ Exhales ] All I'm trying to say is
she's an interesting woman.
743
00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:50,490
And she did show up at the workshop.
I couldn't look her in the face, though.
744
00:35:50,607 --> 00:35:52,530
And I couldn't stop talking about my eye operation...
745
00:35:52,692 --> 00:35:54,615
how I was gonna get it or not get it...
746
00:35:54,736 --> 00:35:56,704
and I kept deflecting, and she said, “Spalding...
747
00:35:56,863 --> 00:35:58,957
do not go to a hospital for an operation.
748
00:35:59,074 --> 00:36:00,872
Listen to me. Come out to Minneapolis...
749
00:36:01,034 --> 00:36:03,082
and we'll have a Native American sweat lodge for you.
750
00:36:03,203 --> 00:36:05,501
And the power of our prayer -
it's larger than one-on-one.
751
00:36:05,622 --> 00:36:08,501
It's a group. You must come.”
“All right. I'll try to.”
752
00:36:08,625 --> 00:36:10,593
“No. Look me in the face and tell me you'll come.”
753
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:13,384
“Well, I'll give it a try.”
"No. Look me in the eyes now."
754
00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:15,473
I look her in the face, and her entire face...
755
00:36:15,590 --> 00:36:18,059
begins to drool and peel down off of her skull...
756
00:36:18,218 --> 00:36:21,142
and I say, “Stop it! Whatever
you're doing with your face, don't do it!
757
00:36:21,262 --> 00:36:24,607
It makes me nauseous.
Please stop it. I'll come, all right?
758
00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:26,601
I will come out to Minneapolis.
759
00:36:26,726 --> 00:36:28,694
I'll do it. I'll come.”
760
00:36:28,812 --> 00:36:32,316
I think I would try an Indian sweat ceremony.
761
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,990
I don't think it could be much stranger
than my trip to the hypnotherapist.
762
00:36:36,111 --> 00:36:40,332
And maybe it'd be more successful. Who knows?
763
00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:42,325
I don't think so.
764
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:45,374
An Indian sweat ceremony? Never heard of it.
765
00:36:45,495 --> 00:36:47,463
That's a pretty mystic idea.
766
00:36:47,580 --> 00:36:50,834
An Indian sweat ceremony?
767
00:36:50,959 --> 00:36:53,007
It sounds interesting, but I don't think so.
768
00:36:53,128 --> 00:36:55,631
I wouldn't like to participate
in an Indian sweat lodge...
769
00:36:55,755 --> 00:36:57,803
because it's a dark place full of smoke...
770
00:36:57,924 --> 00:36:59,892
and it's too damn hot for me.
771
00:37:00,009 --> 00:37:02,979
Uh, an Indian sweat ceremony could be interesting...
772
00:37:03,096 --> 00:37:05,565
especially if you're gonna be around...
773
00:37:05,682 --> 00:37:08,652
female Indians sweating.
774
00:37:08,768 --> 00:37:12,648
[ Spalding ] Minneapolis in winter.
Perfect time to sweat.
775
00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:15,116
I'm glad I went out. It was really interesting.
776
00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:19,283
She had about 15 followers,
all practicing these Native American rituals.
777
00:37:19,404 --> 00:37:23,204
She started out by doing
the peace-pipe ritual in a barn.
778
00:37:23,324 --> 00:37:25,247
It was very cold. Very cold.
779
00:37:25,368 --> 00:37:27,541
She's calling the spirits from the four directions.
780
00:37:27,662 --> 00:37:30,711
Then she takes us outside.
The sweat lodge is all built.
781
00:37:30,832 --> 00:37:33,255
If you've never seen one -
traditional Indian sweat lodge -
782
00:37:33,376 --> 00:37:36,004
it's a low dome made by saplings...
783
00:37:36,129 --> 00:37:38,131
that are all interwoven...
784
00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:41,806
and over it, the Indians would put
animal skins, buffalo skins.
785
00:37:41,926 --> 00:37:44,975
In this case, they had blue plastic
and canvas tarpaulin.
786
00:37:45,096 --> 00:37:48,521
And, oh, the fire. The fire keeper had
the fire going since 6:00 in the morning...
787
00:37:48,641 --> 00:37:51,190
so the rocks were very hot to make the steam.
788
00:37:51,311 --> 00:37:53,530
We go out, we're standing there knee-deep in snow...
789
00:37:53,646 --> 00:37:55,944
and Azaria says, "All right, take off your clothes...
790
00:37:56,065 --> 00:37:57,942
and throw them in the snow,” and we do it.
791
00:37:58,067 --> 00:38:00,820
We do whatever she says. Now we're standing naked...
792
00:38:00,987 --> 00:38:04,161
knee-deep, naked in the snow,
like these freezing refugees...
793
00:38:04,324 --> 00:38:06,827
and we have to line up to go in the sweat lodge.
794
00:38:06,993 --> 00:38:08,745
Well, I'm in fourth place...
795
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:11,089
as quick as I can get over there
in the line, and I'm looking around...
796
00:38:11,206 --> 00:38:13,334
and I notice, all these people around me -
797
00:38:13,458 --> 00:38:15,426
there are no Native Americans there.
798
00:38:15,543 --> 00:38:18,217
Basically, they look Swedish.
799
00:38:18,338 --> 00:38:21,262
So we're told that before
we're to go into the sweat lodge...
800
00:38:21,382 --> 00:38:25,353
we have to cry out to the sky the phrase
"All my ancestors.”
801
00:38:25,470 --> 00:38:28,019
So we're ready. First person - “All my ancestors."
802
00:38:28,181 --> 00:38:30,559
“All my ancestors.” "All my ancestors." They're in.
803
00:38:30,683 --> 00:38:33,527
Comes my turn. I go, "All my ancestors”...
804
00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:36,489
and I start in the sweat lodge,
and I stop and I think, “Wait a minute.
805
00:38:36,606 --> 00:38:39,325
'All my ancestors'? Now, who were they?"
806
00:38:39,442 --> 00:38:41,319
Because my father
had just finished the family tree...
807
00:38:41,444 --> 00:38:44,539
and I remembered going over it,
and I remembered some of the names:
808
00:38:44,697 --> 00:38:46,119
John Proctor...
809
00:38:46,241 --> 00:38:50,462
the Right Reverend Curtis Fox Gray
and his wife, Thankful Atherton Gray...
810
00:38:50,578 --> 00:38:54,378
Colonel Simeon Spalding, Captain Edward Spalding...
811
00:38:54,541 --> 00:38:57,260
Brigadier General John Crane...
812
00:38:57,377 --> 00:39:00,722
the only man wounded at the Boston Tea Party.
813
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,386
And I think, all my ancestors?
Who were they? Pilgrims.
814
00:39:05,552 --> 00:39:08,396
What did they do shortly after they came to America?
815
00:39:08,513 --> 00:39:10,390
Kill the Indians.
816
00:39:10,557 --> 00:39:14,357
Where was I going? An Indian sweat lodge.
817
00:39:14,477 --> 00:39:16,696
Good luck.
818
00:39:16,813 --> 00:39:19,487
Ooh, and I go into the tent. It's not warm in there.
819
00:39:19,607 --> 00:39:21,701
It's not even hot in any way.
820
00:39:21,818 --> 00:39:23,991
It's musty, cold, dank, dark.
821
00:39:24,112 --> 00:39:27,366
There's about 15 of us, men and women,
naked, sitting in a circle on top of hay...
822
00:39:27,490 --> 00:39:29,242
which is on top of the snow.
823
00:39:29,409 --> 00:39:31,332
And Azaria starts telling us what's going to happen.
824
00:39:31,452 --> 00:39:34,376
She says there'll be four rounds of prayers.
825
00:39:34,497 --> 00:39:37,250
The first round will be to set intention.
826
00:39:37,417 --> 00:39:39,966
Prayer for intention or attitude -
what we want to maintain...
827
00:39:40,086 --> 00:39:42,589
throughout the whole ceremony,
which could be anywhere from...
828
00:39:42,714 --> 00:39:44,933
two and a half, three hours, you know -
you just never know.
829
00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:47,893
And then the second round of prayers will be...
830
00:39:48,011 --> 00:39:50,309
the prayers for friends and loved ones.
831
00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:52,524
Then the third round - which is very important -
832
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,234
the third round is that we give away or renounce...
833
00:39:55,351 --> 00:39:58,355
anything we're attached
that we no longer want to be attached to -
834
00:39:58,479 --> 00:40:01,278
you know, like, say, an eye condition.
835
00:40:01,441 --> 00:40:04,285
Now - “But this is very important,” she says.
836
00:40:04,444 --> 00:40:07,618
“On the third round, do not in any way, please,
837
00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:09,623
take on the other person's giveaway.
838
00:40:09,782 --> 00:40:12,786
Don't identify with whatever the pathology is
that's being passed around.
839
00:40:12,952 --> 00:40:16,627
Just let it go right out through the tent,
please, or you could be very sick.”
840
00:40:16,748 --> 00:40:19,046
And the fourth round
is not exactly a round of prayers...
841
00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:21,215
but what happens is, hot rocks are brought in...
842
00:40:21,336 --> 00:40:24,931
and then she pours cold water over them,
and we just sit and listen to them steam.
843
00:40:25,048 --> 00:40:28,222
And if we listen very carefully,
you see, these rocks may give...
844
00:40:28,343 --> 00:40:30,846
valuable information, all right?
845
00:40:30,970 --> 00:40:34,474
Now, before we begin, what we have
to say is, the procedure is this:
846
00:40:34,641 --> 00:40:37,520
We have to say, "O Great Spirit, my name is -"
847
00:40:37,644 --> 00:40:39,942
Then you state your name,
you do your prayer, and then you say...
848
00:40:40,063 --> 00:40:42,612
“I have spoken" to indicate
that the next person can go...
849
00:40:42,732 --> 00:40:45,076
and I do hope it goes smoothly
'cause there are quite a few of us.
850
00:40:45,193 --> 00:40:47,446
And in the fire keeper brings the first hot rocks...
851
00:40:47,570 --> 00:40:50,244
and pours them in the pit,
and Azaria pours the cold water...
852
00:40:50,365 --> 00:40:52,834
and - [ imitates Steam Hissing ] Whoa! Whoo!
853
00:40:52,992 --> 00:40:55,745
Steam starts coming up,
and it's hot, let me tell you.
854
00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:59,465
Across my chest I can feel it.
I think, “It could get very warm in here.”
855
00:40:59,582 --> 00:41:02,381
And the first rounds of prayers start out slowly...
856
00:41:02,502 --> 00:41:04,300
rounds of first intention.
857
00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:08,300
“O Great Spirit, my name is Shelly...
858
00:41:08,424 --> 00:41:11,678
and I pray that I can maintain
a sincere and open attitude...
859
00:41:11,844 --> 00:41:14,723
during this sacred ceremony. I have spoken.”
860
00:41:14,847 --> 00:41:17,521
“O Great Spirit, my name is Seth...
861
00:41:17,642 --> 00:41:19,940
and I pray that I can maintain...
862
00:41:20,061 --> 00:41:22,439
a humble attitude during this sacred ceremony.
863
00:41:22,563 --> 00:41:24,156
I have spoken.”
864
00:41:24,273 --> 00:41:27,072
“O Great Spirit, this is Spalding speaking...
865
00:41:27,193 --> 00:41:30,572
and I pray I can maintain
a sincere and open attitude...
866
00:41:30,697 --> 00:41:33,075
during this sacred ceremony and not pollute it...
867
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:36,328
with my heady analysis and ironic commentary...
868
00:41:36,452 --> 00:41:40,047
and end up turning this sacred event
into just another story...
869
00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:42,917
I will try to sell to the American public.
870
00:41:43,042 --> 00:41:44,840
I have spoken.”
871
00:41:44,961 --> 00:41:49,011
And everyone in the tent goes,
“Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho”...
872
00:41:49,132 --> 00:41:52,136
which I take to be a kind of
cheerleading attitude to say...
873
00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:55,059
“Hey, let's see if you can pull that one off.”
874
00:41:56,264 --> 00:41:58,733
More hot rocks are brought in.
We're going into round two.
875
00:41:58,850 --> 00:42:01,569
We're praying for friends and loved ones.
Oh, man, it's steaming up!
876
00:42:01,686 --> 00:42:03,688
I can't even see across the other side of the tent.
877
00:42:03,813 --> 00:42:06,908
People are groaning, down on their sides.
I'm getting down on my side...
878
00:42:07,025 --> 00:42:10,245
trying to breathe some fresh air in
under where the tent hits the ground.
879
00:42:10,361 --> 00:42:13,331
And we're praying for friends
and loved ones. I pray for Renée.
880
00:42:13,448 --> 00:42:15,997
I pray that at last she'll get
a Hollywood film script to write...
881
00:42:16,117 --> 00:42:18,119
that she really likes, that will be funny...
882
00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:20,292
that will pay her well and get made.
883
00:42:20,413 --> 00:42:22,916
And I pray for friends with AIDS.
884
00:42:23,082 --> 00:42:25,210
“Ploo!" Oh, boy! More hot rocks are brought in.
885
00:42:25,334 --> 00:42:28,429
We're going into round three.
We're gonna do the giveaway...
886
00:42:28,588 --> 00:42:30,636
and I'm down on my side now, panting.
887
00:42:30,757 --> 00:42:33,180
All I can think of
is my health club in New York City.
888
00:42:33,301 --> 00:42:35,679
I see in my mind's eye the sign for the steam room:
889
00:42:35,803 --> 00:42:38,898
“Do not exceed ten minutes under any circumstances.”
890
00:42:39,015 --> 00:42:41,894
And I think, “Whoo! Who is this Azaria Thornbird?
891
00:42:42,018 --> 00:42:43,895
So her head turned into a ball of white light.
892
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:45,897
Does that mean she's not trying to kill me?”
893
00:42:46,022 --> 00:42:47,740
And people are down on the ground, praying.
894
00:42:47,857 --> 00:42:51,487
“O Great Spirit, my name is Shelly. I want
to give away my pride. I have spoken.”
895
00:42:51,611 --> 00:42:53,739
“O Great Spirit, my name is Seth...
896
00:42:53,863 --> 00:42:56,412
and I want to give away
my macho attitude. I have spoken."
897
00:42:56,532 --> 00:43:00,253
“O Great Spirit, this is Tyrus. I want to give
away my craving for caffeine. I have spoken."
898
00:43:00,369 --> 00:43:02,121
“O Great Spirit, my name is Ingrid.
899
00:43:02,246 --> 00:43:04,749
I want to give away my gluttony. I have spoken.”
900
00:43:04,874 --> 00:43:07,468
“O Great Spirit, this is Spalding speaking...
901
00:43:07,627 --> 00:43:11,257
and I want to give away the fear that I'm
about to have a heart attack at any minute!”
902
00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:14,179
And just as I say that, a guy next to me
about my age with a beard...
903
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,553
grabs his chest and goes, "My heart is popping!
904
00:43:16,677 --> 00:43:18,475
My heart is popping! My heart is popping!”
905
00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:21,475
And he runs out of the sweat tent. And I'm fine.
906
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:25,229
He just took all my fear
and ran right out the door with it.
907
00:43:25,353 --> 00:43:29,733
Azaria says, “Someone has broken
the sacred circle here. Do you hear me?
908
00:43:29,857 --> 00:43:33,111
No one is to leave this sweat lodge
in the middle of the ceremony.
909
00:43:33,236 --> 00:43:35,659
Now we are about to sit here
and listen to the hot rocks steam...
910
00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:37,407
and possibly talk.
911
00:43:37,532 --> 00:43:40,706
If you feel you have to go, go now,
but as soon as that tent flap is closed...
912
00:43:40,827 --> 00:43:42,670
no one leaves.”
913
00:43:42,787 --> 00:43:46,542
Now, I am both very claustrophobic
and find it difficult to take orders...
914
00:43:46,666 --> 00:43:49,920
but I am determined
to get through this sweat ceremony.
915
00:43:50,044 --> 00:43:54,265
I just hope that the hot rocks don't talk too long.
916
00:43:54,382 --> 00:43:57,226
The fire keeper brings the hot rocks in,
puts them in the pit.
917
00:43:57,343 --> 00:43:59,391
Azaria pours the cold water over.
918
00:43:59,512 --> 00:44:02,311
Just as she does this, one of
her members of her lodge jumps up...
919
00:44:02,431 --> 00:44:05,230
a guy with a ponytail down to his ass,
rushes for the door.
920
00:44:05,351 --> 00:44:08,150
Azaria hurls her naked body
in front of him and yells...
921
00:44:08,271 --> 00:44:10,865
“Get back, Lame Deer! Get back!”
922
00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:14,407
He falls back on the hay, going,
“Shit! Fuck! Fuck! Shit!”
923
00:44:14,527 --> 00:44:17,531
Everyone else is going, “Ho, ho, ho...
924
00:44:17,697 --> 00:44:20,246
ho, ho, ho.”
925
00:44:20,366 --> 00:44:22,243
They're “ho-ing” him. They're “ho-ing” him down.
926
00:44:22,368 --> 00:44:24,917
“Ho, ho.”
927
00:44:26,372 --> 00:44:29,376
And at last, we sit there in silence...
928
00:44:29,542 --> 00:44:32,386
and listen to the hot rocks steam.
929
00:44:39,385 --> 00:44:41,888
And I didn't understand a word.
930
00:44:43,598 --> 00:44:46,898
And I stepped out of that sweat lodge,
and I felt triumphant.
931
00:44:47,059 --> 00:44:48,902
I'd made it through.
I don't know how long I'd been in there.
932
00:44:49,061 --> 00:44:52,110
Two and a half, three hours?
The sun was going down...
933
00:44:52,231 --> 00:44:55,861
like a - like a big... sun, like a big red sun...
934
00:44:55,985 --> 00:44:58,534
casting rivers of red across a crusty white snow.
935
00:44:58,654 --> 00:45:00,873
I could've rolled in that snow in my new naked body.
936
00:45:00,990 --> 00:45:04,335
I'm standing there, I'm feeling
this internal heat pouring out...
937
00:45:04,452 --> 00:45:07,581
and Azaria comes over and says,
"Spalding, what is wrong with you?"
938
00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:10,174
“Nothing. What are you talking about? I feel great."
939
00:45:10,291 --> 00:45:14,467
“No. When the time came for you
to talk about your eye condition...
940
00:45:14,587 --> 00:45:17,511
you began babbling about a heart attack!”
941
00:45:17,632 --> 00:45:20,101
“Oh. Oh - Oh.
942
00:45:20,259 --> 00:45:21,852
Oh, God.”
943
00:45:21,969 --> 00:45:25,098
And I realized I was still the child...
944
00:45:25,223 --> 00:45:28,443
who had to act on his most immediate fears.
945
00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:35,445
So I get back to New York City.
946
00:45:35,566 --> 00:45:38,035
I'm pretty depressed.
947
00:45:38,152 --> 00:45:40,029
More than usual.
948
00:45:40,154 --> 00:45:43,704
I'm sitting at the kitchen table, talking to Renée...
949
00:45:43,824 --> 00:45:45,952
about the sweat lodge...
950
00:45:46,118 --> 00:45:48,746
and listening to my health-food show...
951
00:45:48,871 --> 00:45:52,466
Barry Spires, every day at noon.
952
00:45:52,625 --> 00:45:54,127
In case you don't know...
953
00:45:54,293 --> 00:45:56,762
Barry Spires is one of the most
radical nutritionists in the universe.
954
00:45:56,879 --> 00:45:58,802
He sleeps two hours a day...
955
00:45:58,965 --> 00:46:02,139
and lives on air, when he can find it.
956
00:46:02,301 --> 00:46:04,645
Usually I listen to him -
I go up and buy health food...
957
00:46:04,804 --> 00:46:07,148
up at the local health food store and listen...
958
00:46:07,265 --> 00:46:09,188
but I never can eat, because according to Barry...
959
00:46:09,308 --> 00:46:13,029
everything gives you cancer,
and everything else cures you of it.
960
00:46:13,145 --> 00:46:16,490
So I'm listening, and Renee gets
this lightbulb idea after the show.
961
00:46:16,649 --> 00:46:20,244
“Why don't you call Barry up?
I'll bet he knows what to do about your eye."
962
00:46:20,361 --> 00:46:23,661
So I give it a try, and he's wide-open.
He knows all about a macula pucker...
963
00:46:23,823 --> 00:46:25,666
and he says, "Have you ever heard of...
964
00:46:25,825 --> 00:46:28,419
Dr. Ron A. Axe in Nutley, New Jersey?”
965
00:46:28,536 --> 00:46:30,709
“No, I can't say that I have.”
966
00:46:30,830 --> 00:46:34,585
“Well, he is the top nutritional
ophthalmologist in America.
967
00:46:34,709 --> 00:46:36,586
You should give him a call.”
968
00:46:36,711 --> 00:46:39,009
So I call Dr. Ron A. Axe's number...
969
00:46:39,171 --> 00:46:41,344
and I get this wizened old voice.
970
00:46:41,507 --> 00:46:43,726
I mean, I have nothing against
old people, but I don't know...
971
00:46:43,843 --> 00:46:45,845
if a doctor should have
a receptionist quite this old.
972
00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:48,473
It's like Tiresias. It's androgynous.
973
00:46:48,597 --> 00:46:50,224
You don't know if it's a man or a woman. It's...
974
00:46:50,349 --> 00:46:54,024
[Creaking Voice ] “Hello? What?
975
00:46:54,186 --> 00:46:56,939
You want to see who?
976
00:46:57,064 --> 00:46:59,692
Dr. Axe is very busy.
977
00:46:59,859 --> 00:47:03,534
You'll just have to take your chances
and c-come on out.
978
00:47:03,696 --> 00:47:06,870
And come early,
because you're gonna have to fill out...
979
00:47:07,033 --> 00:47:10,333
an extensive dietary questionnaire.
980
00:47:10,453 --> 00:47:13,172
Now, if you're coming by bus”... “l am.”
981
00:47:13,289 --> 00:47:16,293
“you take the Port Authority to the Nutley Mall...
982
00:47:16,417 --> 00:47:20,763
get off, turn left on Fay Street, and come on down.
983
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,224
You can't miss us.”
984
00:47:23,382 --> 00:47:26,431
Hangs up. Nothing. No appointment, no address.
985
00:47:26,552 --> 00:47:29,180
But I think, “Hmm.
986
00:47:29,305 --> 00:47:31,478
Sounds like an important journey...
987
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:35,069
and I should do what the old voice said.”
988
00:47:35,186 --> 00:47:38,406
So I take the bus out
from Port Authority to the Nutley Mall.
989
00:47:38,564 --> 00:47:40,692
Get off. I turn left on Fay Street.
990
00:47:40,816 --> 00:47:43,740
I don't notice anything.
I mean, it's New Jersey. It's a wasteland.
991
00:47:43,903 --> 00:47:47,373
Tract houses, no landscaping, high-tension wires.
992
00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:49,834
Then I round the corner, and - boom! - there it is.
993
00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:53,580
Whoo! It's like Froot Loops.
It's like Hansel and Gretel's house on acid.
994
00:47:53,746 --> 00:47:55,589
It's like a Howard Finster dream.
995
00:47:55,748 --> 00:47:57,591
All the shingles are the color of the rainbow.
996
00:47:57,750 --> 00:48:00,253
Day-Glo outlines around the windows of the house.
997
00:48:00,419 --> 00:48:03,764
The rocks the foundation is built from
are all the primary colors.
998
00:48:03,923 --> 00:48:06,802
A bunch of fir trees over there
with a big sign that says...
999
00:48:06,926 --> 00:48:09,054
“Dr. Ron A. Axe...
1000
00:48:09,178 --> 00:48:11,556
O.D., F.F.A.O...
1001
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,106
F.C.O.U.D., F.l.C.A., F.A.S.S.”
1002
00:48:16,268 --> 00:48:19,943
And out of the fir trees jumps this
spindly little man with bottle-thick glasses.
1003
00:48:20,106 --> 00:48:23,576
I hope it's not Dr. Ron A. Axe.
No, it's his brother, Don B. Axe.
1004
00:48:23,692 --> 00:48:26,115
Brother and assistant. He jumps out
as though he's been hiding in there...
1005
00:48:26,237 --> 00:48:27,659
waiting for me all day.
1006
00:48:27,780 --> 00:48:30,374
Hops out and says, “Hello, Mr. Gray.
You are Mr. Gray, aren't you?
1007
00:48:30,491 --> 00:48:33,916
Follow me. We're going to the sun porch
to fill out the dietary questionnaire.”
1008
00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:36,710
I follow him around, come into the sunporch.
I am overwhelmed.
1009
00:48:36,831 --> 00:48:39,584
Quadraphonic opera is playing.
Madame Butte/fly, full blast.
1010
00:48:39,708 --> 00:48:41,506
On the wall are all these ski medals.
1011
00:48:41,627 --> 00:48:43,971
To my right, a six-foot-high cutout
of Hoagy Carmichael.
1012
00:48:44,088 --> 00:48:46,056
Over to the left, these little miniature dinosaurs...
1013
00:48:46,173 --> 00:48:48,471
playing in a miniature prehistoric landscape.
1014
00:48:48,592 --> 00:48:51,220
On the ceiling, floating,
four-foot-wide map of the moon...
1015
00:48:51,345 --> 00:48:52,972
famed in a pink Hula hoop.
1016
00:48:53,097 --> 00:48:55,600
To the left, the toothless head
of a Bengal tiger roaring at me.
1017
00:48:55,724 --> 00:48:58,773
And spewing down the wall
like a yellow papering waterfall...
1018
00:48:58,894 --> 00:49:02,364
is this 1964 original teletype printout...
1019
00:49:02,481 --> 00:49:06,952
of Lyndon Johnson's acceptance speech
for the Democratic National Convention.
1020
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:08,946
And I'm looking around, and Don says...
1021
00:49:09,071 --> 00:49:11,119
“All this stuff makes you want to see,
doesn't it, Mr. Gray?
1022
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:14,835
Really activates the eyes. Makes you want to look."
1023
00:49:14,952 --> 00:49:16,795
“Yeah.”
1024
00:49:16,912 --> 00:49:18,789
So he gets out the dietary questionnaire.
1025
00:49:18,914 --> 00:49:21,258
It's 754 questions...
1026
00:49:21,375 --> 00:49:24,128
concerning all the foods
I may have eaten in the past six months.
1027
00:49:24,253 --> 00:49:26,130
And he's got all the categories here -
1028
00:49:26,255 --> 00:49:28,508
soups, meat, poultry, eggs, fish...
1029
00:49:28,632 --> 00:49:31,636
seafood, dairy products, vegetables,
desserts, sweets, beverages...
1030
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,684
grains, breads, cereals, nuts,
seeds, legumes, fruits...
1031
00:49:34,805 --> 00:49:38,935
spices, herbs, flavoring,
condiments, miscellaneous items.
1032
00:49:39,059 --> 00:49:42,529
And he begins with “burrito.”
1033
00:49:42,646 --> 00:49:46,025
“All right, how many burritos
have you had in the past six months?”
1034
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:48,118
“Um-" Now, I've got a photographic memory...
1035
00:49:48,235 --> 00:49:50,704
and I can remember the Mexican restaurants,
but I can't remember what was on the plate.
1036
00:49:50,821 --> 00:49:52,915
Was it a burrito? Was it a taco? “All right, please.
1037
00:49:53,032 --> 00:49:54,579
How many? Quickly, quickly.”
1038
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:56,668
“Um... 18.”
1039
00:49:56,785 --> 00:50:00,210
“All right. Eighteen burritos.
Were they whole wheat or flour?"
1040
00:50:00,372 --> 00:50:03,342
“Whole wheat? I don't travel in those circles.”
1041
00:50:03,459 --> 00:50:06,713
“All right. Eighteen flour.
On to borscht, please. Borscht.”
1042
00:50:06,879 --> 00:50:09,052
“Borscht? I don't eat it or drink it
or whatever you do to it.
1043
00:50:09,173 --> 00:50:11,346
Just forget it. Wait a minute. Don't forget it.
1044
00:50:11,467 --> 00:50:14,721
You've got me so confused. I don't have
an average six months in my life.
1045
00:50:14,845 --> 00:50:17,894
Five months ago, I was in Russia.
I don't ever expect to be there again...
1046
00:50:18,057 --> 00:50:19,650
but I was eating borscht every day.”
1047
00:50:19,767 --> 00:50:22,611
“How many days were you there?”
"I think it was a 14-day trip."
1048
00:50:22,728 --> 00:50:25,322
“We'll put 16 in case you had some for breakfast.
1049
00:50:25,439 --> 00:50:28,113
On to hot dogs, hot dogs?” “No hot dogs. Skip it.
1050
00:50:28,234 --> 00:50:30,578
No. No, wait a minute. No, no. Two months ago...
1051
00:50:30,736 --> 00:50:32,579
I think it was, I was in Columbus, Ohio...
1052
00:50:32,738 --> 00:50:35,116
and just across from my bed-and-breakfast
there was this place called Coney Island.
1053
00:50:35,241 --> 00:50:37,118
I'd go in every day, and I'd order two -
1054
00:50:37,243 --> 00:50:39,746
No, wait a minute. Those were wieners.
We'll wait till we get to W.”
1055
00:50:39,912 --> 00:50:42,165
And into the middle of this comes the old voice.
1056
00:50:42,289 --> 00:50:45,259
It's his 87-year-old mother
with these bottle-thick glasses...
1057
00:50:45,417 --> 00:50:47,260
and a big babushka, saying...
1058
00:50:47,419 --> 00:50:50,468
“Time to bring Mr. Gray in to see Dr. Axe.”
1059
00:50:50,589 --> 00:50:53,263
“Stop it, Mother. Please. We have not
finished the dietary questionnaire.”
1060
00:50:53,425 --> 00:50:56,395
“Bring him into the antechamber, then.
Finish it there.
1061
00:50:56,512 --> 00:50:59,516
Bring him in to the antechamber.”
1062
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,608
“Antechamber”?
1063
00:51:03,310 --> 00:51:05,233
So into the antechamber we go.
1064
00:51:05,354 --> 00:51:07,857
Quadraphonic opera's playing full blast in there.
1065
00:51:07,982 --> 00:51:10,235
On the wall, the box from the Metropolitan Opera.
1066
00:51:10,359 --> 00:51:12,953
The general manager, Don, used to sing for the Met...
1067
00:51:13,112 --> 00:51:15,956
and after they tore it down,
somehow he salvaged the box...
1068
00:51:16,073 --> 00:51:18,997
and it's up there, and it's got cutouts
of Toscanini and Caruso...
1069
00:51:19,118 --> 00:51:21,541
black and white, six foot high, staring down.
1070
00:51:21,662 --> 00:51:24,632
Miniature Valkyries underneath.
Crossed sabers underneath.
1071
00:51:24,748 --> 00:51:26,796
On the ceiling - map of the universe.
1072
00:51:26,917 --> 00:51:29,670
Christmas balls hanging down
and strings at different levels.
1073
00:51:29,795 --> 00:51:32,719
And Don is saying to me,
"Rabbit. How many rabbits do you eat?
1074
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,013
Do you eat it with the skin on? Skin off?
Dark meat? Light meat?”
1075
00:51:35,134 --> 00:51:37,262
I said, “No, no. No rabbits.
Renée won't let them in the house.”
1076
00:51:37,386 --> 00:51:40,356
Meanwhile, the mother is saying,
“Bring him in now. Skip it.
1077
00:51:40,472 --> 00:51:44,648
Finish the dietary questionnaire later.
Bring him in to see Dr. Axe now."
1078
00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:46,983
J' Ta-da J' The door opens...
1079
00:51:47,104 --> 00:51:49,983
and there, sitting behind his desk
is this spindly little man...
1080
00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:52,155
with these bottle-thick glasses.
1081
00:51:52,318 --> 00:51:55,071
A sign reading “Dr. Ron A. Axe...
1082
00:51:55,195 --> 00:51:57,163
O.D., F.F.A.O.,
1083
00:51:57,323 --> 00:51:59,826
F.C.O.U.D., F.l.C.A...
1084
00:51:59,992 --> 00:52:02,165
F.A.S.S.”
1085
00:52:02,286 --> 00:52:05,836
And he says, "Welcome, Mr. Gray. Welcome.
1086
00:52:05,956 --> 00:52:09,176
Please, get in the electric chair.”
1087
00:52:09,293 --> 00:52:13,014
He refers to his examination chair
as an “electric chair." I don't know why.
1088
00:52:13,172 --> 00:52:15,675
I get into the blue examination chair,
and he begins...
1089
00:52:15,841 --> 00:52:19,436
- what I could only call a family slideshow.
- [Slide Projector Clicking]
1090
00:52:19,553 --> 00:52:21,976
The first slide was of he and his brother, Don...
1091
00:52:22,097 --> 00:52:24,691
skiing down Mount Washington,
down Tuckerman's Ravine.
1092
00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:26,568
Tucking down Tuckerman's.
1093
00:52:26,685 --> 00:52:29,063
Next slide: he and his brother
and his 87-year-old mother...
1094
00:52:29,188 --> 00:52:30,940
skiing in Stowe, Vermont.
1095
00:52:31,065 --> 00:52:34,114
The next one: he and his brother
and his 87-year-old mother...
1096
00:52:34,234 --> 00:52:36,032
visiting Lenin's tomb.
1097
00:52:36,153 --> 00:52:38,702
I'm trying to relate to this, so I say,
“Oh, yeah. Lenin's tomb.
1098
00:52:38,822 --> 00:52:43,043
That's where I was five months ago.
That's where I had the 16 borscht.”
1099
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,538
Then something strange happened.
1100
00:52:45,663 --> 00:52:47,540
Somehow - I don't know how he did this -
1101
00:52:47,706 --> 00:52:50,209
up into the left-hand corner of the family slide...
1102
00:52:50,334 --> 00:52:53,053
he fades an eye chart,
a traditional doctors eye chart...
1103
00:52:53,212 --> 00:52:55,681
and he says, "Can you read this?"
1104
00:52:55,798 --> 00:52:57,892
And I found I could. I could read it better...
1105
00:52:58,050 --> 00:53:00,052
than I could read it in my Chinese doctor's office.
1106
00:53:00,177 --> 00:53:02,896
I don't know why.
Maybe the family slideshow relaxed me.
1107
00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:05,812
But I thought, “You know,
there's method in this man's meshugaas.
1108
00:53:05,933 --> 00:53:08,561
I'm gonna let him examine my pucker.”
1109
00:53:08,727 --> 00:53:10,320
And he does.
1110
00:53:10,437 --> 00:53:12,405
Looks at both eyes, then says...
1111
00:53:12,564 --> 00:53:15,113
“Now, Mr. Gray, I would just like to speculate...
1112
00:53:15,234 --> 00:53:17,236
speculate a bit on causes.”
1113
00:53:17,361 --> 00:53:20,331
“Oh. Causes. Great.
Maybe I'm not idiopathic after all.
1114
00:53:20,447 --> 00:53:21,824
Let's give it a run.”
1115
00:53:21,949 --> 00:53:23,917
“I'd just like to throw it out. Vitamin C -
1116
00:53:24,076 --> 00:53:25,919
Do you take a lot of vitamin C?”
1117
00:53:26,078 --> 00:53:28,456
“Sure. I have to when I'm on the road.
I don't have an understudy.
1118
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:30,207
I can't afford to get a cold.”
1119
00:53:30,332 --> 00:53:32,426
“You know what vitamin C is, Mr. Gray?
1120
00:53:32,543 --> 00:53:35,217
“Um, I thought it was vitamin C.”
1121
00:53:35,337 --> 00:53:38,932
“Wrong. It's ascorbic acid.
And do you know the vitreous humor...
1122
00:53:39,091 --> 00:53:42,220
and the pancreas are two parts of the body
that can't assimilate ascorbic acid?
1123
00:53:42,344 --> 00:53:44,688
So why would you be doing that -
pouring acid into your eye?
1124
00:53:44,805 --> 00:53:47,103
Now, if it isn't the vitamin C, it's the ozone layer.
1125
00:53:47,266 --> 00:53:49,109
It's breaking down.
Sheep are going blind in New Zealand.
1126
00:53:49,268 --> 00:53:52,112
I hope you're wearing a big broad-brimmed
hat and good thick sunglasses.
1127
00:53:52,271 --> 00:53:55,275
Now, this is all speculation. You've got to
have a blood and urine workup...
1128
00:53:55,399 --> 00:53:57,447
and then come back to me
as soon as you have that done.
1129
00:53:57,609 --> 00:54:00,783
As for today, it's $240. You go and pay my mother."
1130
00:54:00,946 --> 00:54:04,450
I go and pay the mother $240.
No health insurance in that place.
1131
00:54:04,575 --> 00:54:06,953
She's sitting there with her babushka on, going...
1132
00:54:07,077 --> 00:54:09,671
“Work, work, work.
1133
00:54:09,788 --> 00:54:12,962
That's all my son does now is work and research.
1134
00:54:13,125 --> 00:54:16,095
He doesn't sleep. I don't have a life.
1135
00:54:16,211 --> 00:54:19,260
We don't even ski anymore. I'm 87 years old...
1136
00:54:19,381 --> 00:54:21,349
and I don't have a life!”
1137
00:54:22,426 --> 00:54:24,269
So I hand her the $240 check...
1138
00:54:24,386 --> 00:54:27,060
and I go out searching
for blood and urine analysis clinics.
1139
00:54:27,181 --> 00:54:30,185
I'm going from New York to San Francisco.
Every clinic I go to...
1140
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:33,108
looks at the paperwork and the technicians say...
1141
00:54:33,228 --> 00:54:36,402
“We don't test human beings for this stuff.”
1142
00:54:36,523 --> 00:54:38,525
So I don't know what to do. I call Dr. Axe.
1143
00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:40,869
He recommends a place up in upstate New York.
1144
00:54:40,986 --> 00:54:42,863
Maybe they're in cahoots. I go up there.
1145
00:54:42,988 --> 00:54:45,457
One thousand dollars they charge me.
No health insurance.
1146
00:54:45,574 --> 00:54:48,293
They draw more blood from me
than I've ever had taken before.
1147
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:50,959
And then they give me this, like,
milk carton, you know, with a handle.
1148
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:54,333
Like, a cardboard box
to collect my urine for 24 hours.
1149
00:54:54,458 --> 00:54:57,758
I'm carrying it around with me everywhere.
I'm ducking behind hedges in Central Park.
1150
00:54:57,878 --> 00:55:00,631
I'm carrying it to therapy.
I got it at the theater between my legs.
1151
00:55:00,756 --> 00:55:02,633
I'm traveling on the subway
with it between my legs...
1152
00:55:02,758 --> 00:55:05,307
having made the mistake of eating
asparagus the night before.
1153
00:55:05,427 --> 00:55:07,350
At last I get all the paperwork done.
1154
00:55:07,513 --> 00:55:10,357
I bring in the report to Dr. Axe,
and he's reviewing it...
1155
00:55:10,474 --> 00:55:12,351
and he looks down, and he says...
1156
00:55:12,476 --> 00:55:15,025
“Here's your culprit: vanadium.
1157
00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:17,364
Goes right off the chart.”
1158
00:55:17,481 --> 00:55:19,233
“Vanadium? What's that?”
1159
00:55:19,358 --> 00:55:21,861
“A rare element used to toughen steel
1160
00:55:21,985 --> 00:55:24,033
and make it more shock-resistant.
1161
00:55:24,154 --> 00:55:26,532
In short, you're filled with heavy metal.”
1162
00:55:26,698 --> 00:55:30,453
“But where would it come from?
I mean, none of my friends have it."
1163
00:55:30,577 --> 00:55:33,376
“Sea cucumbers and sea anemones.”
1164
00:55:33,497 --> 00:55:35,966
“But I never eat them.
I don't know anything about them.”
1165
00:55:36,083 --> 00:55:39,804
“No, but I bet you eat big fish, don't you?
I bet you're a fan of big fish."
1166
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,799
“Yes, I love to eat big fish.
I eat it any chance I get.”
1167
00:55:42,923 --> 00:55:46,018
“Well, that's where it comes from.
They eat the sea cucumbers and sea anemones...
1168
00:55:46,134 --> 00:55:48,432
and it gets into their fatty tissue, and you eat it.
1169
00:55:48,554 --> 00:55:51,558
So you've got to give it up.
Got to give up all your big fish.
1170
00:55:51,682 --> 00:55:55,061
Your swordfish, your salmon,
your tuna, your mahimahi.
1171
00:55:55,185 --> 00:55:58,735
You've got to give up your shellfish,
crustaceans, lobsters...
1172
00:55:58,897 --> 00:56:01,400
scallops and chicken and turkey.”
1173
00:56:01,525 --> 00:56:03,994
“Chicken and turkey? But why chicken and turkey?”
1174
00:56:04,111 --> 00:56:07,240
“Because they grind up big fish
and feed them to the chicken and turkey.
1175
00:56:07,364 --> 00:56:10,083
You understand? Give it up. Just eat raw vegetables.
1176
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,498
That's what you should do.
The only reason people cook vegetables...
1177
00:56:12,619 --> 00:56:14,587
is 'cause in the old days,
people had wooden false teeth.
1178
00:56:14,705 --> 00:56:16,958
Now you don't have to. Eat it raw. You hear me?
1179
00:56:17,082 --> 00:56:20,382
Raw! Raw! Raw!”
1180
00:56:20,502 --> 00:56:24,552
Uh, to improve my eyesight,
go on an all-raw-vegetable diet?
1181
00:56:24,673 --> 00:56:28,303
Uh, that'd be tough. I don't think so.
1182
00:56:28,427 --> 00:56:31,522
A raw-vegetable diet?
1183
00:56:31,638 --> 00:56:34,687
Yeah. If it would improve my sight, yeah.
1184
00:56:34,808 --> 00:56:36,776
Well, yes, I think so.
1185
00:56:36,894 --> 00:56:40,148
I like anything that has to do
with nutrition if I feel like it's valid...
1186
00:56:40,272 --> 00:56:42,400
and something that I would enjoy anyway.
1187
00:56:42,524 --> 00:56:44,401
'Cause I already like vegetables.
1188
00:56:44,526 --> 00:56:48,121
Oh, yes, because I happen to be
reading that right now...
1189
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,954
and I believe in totally -
1190
00:56:51,074 --> 00:56:54,453
The raw vegetables is the only way
to get the live enzymes...
1191
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:57,089
and vitamins out of fruits and vegetables.
1192
00:56:57,205 --> 00:56:59,082
I think I would consider...
1193
00:56:59,207 --> 00:57:02,256
going on an all-raw-vegetable diet...
1194
00:57:02,377 --> 00:57:05,221
if the person giving me that pitch
was convincing enough, I think...
1195
00:57:05,339 --> 00:57:07,762
and if I wouldn't have to do that for too long.
1196
00:57:07,883 --> 00:57:11,683
I don't think an all-raw-vegetable diet is for me.
1197
00:57:11,803 --> 00:57:15,603
I'm omnivorous,
and I really enjoy the meat in my diet...
1198
00:57:15,724 --> 00:57:17,818
so no, I don't think I would.
1199
00:57:18,977 --> 00:57:21,571
And he put the fear into me,
and I totally believed him...
1200
00:57:21,688 --> 00:57:24,316
and I went on a raw-vegetable diet.
1201
00:57:24,483 --> 00:57:28,408
I went to the supermarket,
a place I thought used to have food.
1202
00:57:28,528 --> 00:57:30,622
I mean, I look down the aisle, I think...
1203
00:57:30,739 --> 00:57:33,538
“Nothing there for me.
Nothing there for me. Nothing there -"
1204
00:57:33,659 --> 00:57:35,536
I've never seen so much nothing in my life.
1205
00:57:35,661 --> 00:57:38,289
In the old days, when I'd shop,
I wouldn't even take a list with me.
1206
00:57:38,413 --> 00:57:40,290
I would just take the can, go down the aisle...
1207
00:57:40,415 --> 00:57:42,167
take whatever caught my eye - my good eye -
1208
00:57:42,292 --> 00:57:44,169
pop it into the wagon, go down.
1209
00:57:44,294 --> 00:57:46,467
Now I have to go to the vegetable area. What is it?
1210
00:57:46,588 --> 00:57:50,013
It's a bunch of vegetables being spritzed
with a [ imitates Spritzer] sprayer.
1211
00:57:50,175 --> 00:57:53,395
It's supposed to make them look glossy.
In my opinion, it's waterlogging them.
1212
00:57:53,512 --> 00:57:56,140
The celery's soggy.
I don't know where to go find vegetables.
1213
00:57:56,264 --> 00:57:58,187
I go the farmers' market in Manhattan...
1214
00:57:58,350 --> 00:58:00,227
in Union Square every Wednesday and Saturday...
1215
00:58:00,352 --> 00:58:02,525
hoping I'll find
the Pennsylvania Dutch bringing in...
1216
00:58:02,646 --> 00:58:04,694
some exotic turnips or something...
1217
00:58:04,856 --> 00:58:07,109
and I see this sign that says...
1218
00:58:07,234 --> 00:58:09,953
“Farm-raised trout from the Catskills.”
1219
00:58:10,070 --> 00:58:12,664
I think, “Oh, boy. There's a fish I could eat.
1220
00:58:12,781 --> 00:58:14,783
Raised on a farm in the Catskills?
1221
00:58:14,908 --> 00:58:17,536
Couldn't run into any sea cucumbers up there."
1222
00:58:17,703 --> 00:58:20,206
So I go over, I'm chatting the woman up.
There are three of them.
1223
00:58:20,372 --> 00:58:22,215
She's wrapping them in newspaper. I say...
1224
00:58:22,374 --> 00:58:24,877
“Hey, by the way, I'm just curious -
what do you feed your trout?”
1225
00:58:25,043 --> 00:58:27,717
She says, “Chicken.”
1226
00:58:27,838 --> 00:58:30,011
Also, I'd given up drinking alcohol.
1227
00:58:30,132 --> 00:58:32,476
Went cold-turkey. Just stopped, you know?
1228
00:58:32,592 --> 00:58:35,141
I mean, after my mother's death,
the only religious ritual...
1229
00:58:35,262 --> 00:58:37,356
left in our home was cocktail hour.
1230
00:58:37,472 --> 00:58:40,726
What's a day without cocktail hour?
It's just one big...
1231
00:58:40,892 --> 00:58:43,611
[Grating Sound ]
1232
00:58:48,233 --> 00:58:49,951
Bed!
1233
00:58:50,068 --> 00:58:53,322
So I was on this raw-vegetable diet.
I'd given up pretty much everything:
1234
00:58:53,447 --> 00:58:56,326
sugar, caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, meat -
1235
00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:58,623
and pretty much sex too,
'cause they're all interconnected.
1236
00:58:58,744 --> 00:59:01,167
I hadn't realized that until I gave all those up.
1237
00:59:01,288 --> 00:59:05,259
And I got this raw-vegetable diet,
and it's causing enormous intestinal gas...
1238
00:59:05,417 --> 00:59:07,511
and Renée and I are practically breaking up over it.
1239
00:59:07,627 --> 00:59:09,629
I'm getting real thin, and Renée's mother sees me...
1240
00:59:09,755 --> 00:59:12,053
and she says, "Spalding, it looks like...
1241
00:59:12,174 --> 00:59:15,178
you have just entered
the Bermuda Triangle of health."
1242
00:59:15,302 --> 00:59:18,146
Renée's mother's got this theory that
this Bermuda Triangle of health...
1243
00:59:18,263 --> 00:59:19,856
is between 50 and 53.
1244
00:59:19,973 --> 00:59:21,771
That's when everything starts happening to you.
1245
00:59:21,933 --> 00:59:23,731
If you make it through, you live to a ripe old age.
1246
00:59:23,852 --> 00:59:26,446
She had a heart attack at 51.
She survived. She outlived it.
1247
00:59:26,605 --> 00:59:29,484
Her husband, Renée's father -
mm, he died at 52. Didn't make it.
1248
00:59:29,608 --> 00:59:31,781
My mom killed herself at 52.
1249
00:59:31,943 --> 00:59:34,287
Renée's mother's brother had a heart attack at 50.
1250
00:59:34,404 --> 00:59:36,327
He made it through the Bermuda Triangle of health.
1251
00:59:36,448 --> 00:59:39,201
And I was in it, and I was damn lonely.
1252
00:59:39,326 --> 00:59:42,830
I'm saying to my doctor, “Please, show me
someone else that has a macular pucker.”
1253
00:59:42,954 --> 00:59:46,800
He tells me hundreds of people have them,
but he's not giving me any phone numbers.
1254
00:59:46,917 --> 00:59:49,545
So I'm so lonely that I go down
to The Village Voice newspaper...
1255
00:59:49,669 --> 00:59:53,014
and I put an ad in that says, “Macular Pucker Club -
1256
00:59:53,131 --> 00:59:55,225
Does anyone else have one?
1257
00:59:55,342 --> 00:59:57,640
Let's share stories.”
1258
00:59:57,761 --> 00:59:59,684
And all I get is a letter from a guy...
1259
00:59:59,805 --> 01:00:02,479
who wants to scrape me.
1260
01:00:06,019 --> 01:00:08,898
Then the inevitable happened.
My Chinese doctor called me in...
1261
01:00:09,022 --> 01:00:10,399
to have my eye examination.
1262
01:00:10,524 --> 01:00:12,026
I didn't want to go, really.
1263
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:14,073
I just denied that it was ever going to happen.
1264
01:00:14,194 --> 01:00:16,538
I drag myself in. I sit there.
1265
01:00:16,655 --> 01:00:19,659
I don't have a book anymore.
I'm just waiting for my pupils to dilate.
1266
01:00:19,825 --> 01:00:22,829
I- I-I'm munching on a sweet potato, I remember.
1267
01:00:22,994 --> 01:00:25,747
And out of the nurses' office comes this man...
1268
01:00:25,872 --> 01:00:28,250
with a - oh, God, a drooping eye!
1269
01:00:28,375 --> 01:00:30,503
It's worse than a bloodhound.
Worse than Elephant Man.
1270
01:00:30,627 --> 01:00:32,595
I can't look at it. I say, “Nurse, what was that?"
1271
01:00:32,712 --> 01:00:35,682
She goes, "Oh, Mr. Gray, that's the drooping eye."
1272
01:00:35,799 --> 01:00:38,052
“I figured as much, but where would it come from?”
1273
01:00:38,176 --> 01:00:40,520
“Oh, sometimes it's a result of the operation.”
1274
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:42,477
“What? No one told me that!”
1275
01:00:42,597 --> 01:00:44,474
“Oh, Mr. Gray, don't be a silly-billy.
1276
01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:47,603
It's easily fixed
with corrective or plastic surgery."
1277
01:00:47,727 --> 01:00:50,025
And she goes back into the office,
and I am sitting there.
1278
01:00:50,188 --> 01:00:52,691
I go into a bubble. I'm completely freaked out.
1279
01:00:52,858 --> 01:00:56,738
I picture Jesus, like the old days,
coming into the waiting room, you know?
1280
01:00:56,862 --> 01:00:59,536
And the way he used to come
to the multitudes and - N [ Fanfare ]
1281
01:00:59,656 --> 01:01:02,205
And the lame shall walk, and -
N' [ Fanfare ] the deaf shall hear.
1282
01:01:02,325 --> 01:01:06,000
And - bing! - the blind shall see.
One-touch Jesus - that's what I picture.
1283
01:01:06,121 --> 01:01:08,374
Or E.T. with his magical, sparky finger...
1284
01:01:08,498 --> 01:01:11,047
coming and - zhoom! - zapping my eye, and I'm better.
1285
01:01:11,168 --> 01:01:13,637
'Cause that's what I want. I want magic and miracles.
1286
01:01:13,753 --> 01:01:16,097
I don't want this medicine, please.
1287
01:01:16,214 --> 01:01:18,592
And as I'm thinking this - boop! -
the man with the drooping eye...
1288
01:01:18,717 --> 01:01:22,062
trips over my foot, runs into a woman
whose pupils are dilated.
1289
01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:25,565
She “sclumps" down next to me and says, “Hello.
1290
01:01:25,682 --> 01:01:27,901
I have a macula pucker. What do you have?"
1291
01:01:28,059 --> 01:01:30,107
Oh! I hug her! At last!
1292
01:01:30,228 --> 01:01:32,606
“Oh, my God, it's so good to meet you.
What have you been doing?"
1293
01:01:32,731 --> 01:01:35,359
She said, “Well, I've been doing
some alternative therapies...
1294
01:01:35,483 --> 01:01:39,408
but I had to come in here today
because today is my preoperative exam.
1295
01:01:39,529 --> 01:01:42,078
I have to make up my mind by Thursday.”
“What? Oh, my God!
1296
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,335
I wouldn't know what to do if they told me
Thursday. What are you going to do?”
1297
01:01:45,452 --> 01:01:47,295
“I don't know. To tell you the truth...
1298
01:01:47,412 --> 01:01:50,336
I helped cofound the emergency room
at Roosevelt Hospital. And if you knew...
1299
01:01:50,457 --> 01:01:53,131
what I knew about New York hospitals,
I don't think you'd go in one.”
1300
01:01:53,251 --> 01:01:55,345
“Oh, I know. That's what all my friends are saying.
1301
01:01:55,462 --> 01:01:57,385
So I've been trying to do alternatives myself."
1302
01:01:57,505 --> 01:02:00,099
She said, “Well, I'm considering -
A friend of mine - listen -
1303
01:02:00,217 --> 01:02:02,436
had a breast tumor plucked from her breast.
1304
01:02:02,552 --> 01:02:04,771
No cutting or anything like that.
1305
01:02:04,888 --> 01:02:07,732
She went to the Philippines to a psychic surgeon.”
1306
01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:10,819
“What? A Philippines psychic surgeon?
1307
01:02:10,936 --> 01:02:12,904
Why didn't I think of that?”
1308
01:02:13,021 --> 01:02:16,116
“Well, you could still go. I have his name.
His name is Trini Boca.
1309
01:02:16,233 --> 01:02:19,112
He's known - I don't know why -
as the Elvis Presley of psychic surgeons.
1310
01:02:19,277 --> 01:02:21,450
He's in Manila. I'll give you all the information."
1311
01:02:21,571 --> 01:02:24,450
Just as she's telling me this, the nurse
comes out of the office and says...
1312
01:02:24,574 --> 01:02:27,077
“The doctor will see you now, Mr. Gray.”
1313
01:02:27,202 --> 01:02:31,457
And I say, “Well - Well-Well -
I'm not ready to see the doctor.
1314
01:02:31,581 --> 01:02:34,255
- I'm off to the Philippines!”
- [Airplane Engine Roaring]
1315
01:02:37,295 --> 01:02:41,220
If I flew to the Philippines
to be treated by a psychic surgeon...
1316
01:02:41,341 --> 01:02:43,469
I don't believe anything would happen to me.
1317
01:02:43,593 --> 01:02:47,268
I believe in real doctors with knives and medicine.
1318
01:02:47,389 --> 01:02:49,391
And pretty nurses.
1319
01:02:49,516 --> 01:02:51,359
No.
1320
01:02:51,476 --> 01:02:54,025
Just sounds too way-out.
1321
01:02:54,145 --> 01:02:55,613
Not my style.
1322
01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:57,107
Never heard of it.
1323
01:02:57,232 --> 01:02:59,985
I think I - I think I would, uh -
1324
01:03:00,110 --> 01:03:03,364
I would try going to the Philippines
to see a psychic surgeon.
1325
01:03:03,488 --> 01:03:07,118
You know, if nothing else,
it'd be an interesting trip.
1326
01:03:07,242 --> 01:03:09,711
I don't know. I guess it couldn't hurt.
1327
01:03:09,828 --> 01:03:11,922
Psychic surgeon? No.
1328
01:03:12,038 --> 01:03:14,291
I don't really believe in psychic surgeons.
1329
01:03:14,416 --> 01:03:16,635
Uh-Uh-
1330
01:03:16,751 --> 01:03:19,595
I wouldn't mind going and watching a surgery...
1331
01:03:19,713 --> 01:03:22,683
but, you know, I don't believe in it, no.
1332
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:24,267
[Laughs]
1333
01:03:24,384 --> 01:03:27,479
A psychic surgeon?
1334
01:03:27,595 --> 01:03:30,223
That doesn't appeal to me either.
No, I don't think so.
1335
01:03:30,348 --> 01:03:33,727
I'm not a believer in psychic surgery.
1336
01:03:33,852 --> 01:03:36,776
Uh, my best friend's an ophthalmic surgeon...
1337
01:03:36,896 --> 01:03:38,773
and I think I'd trust him with my eyes...
1338
01:03:38,898 --> 01:03:40,866
before a Filipino.
1339
01:03:42,110 --> 01:03:44,954
And I did it! I flew all the way
to the Philippines on my own...
1340
01:03:45,071 --> 01:03:46,948
without taking a drink on the plane once.
1341
01:03:47,073 --> 01:03:48,950
I arrive. I'm pretty jet-lagged. I got directions.
1342
01:03:49,075 --> 01:03:51,453
I'm supposed to go down
to Trini Boca's psychic surgery lab...
1343
01:03:51,578 --> 01:03:53,455
at 9:30 in the morning there in Manila.
1344
01:03:53,580 --> 01:03:55,378
Used to be the Tip Top Disco.
1345
01:03:55,540 --> 01:03:57,793
Now it's been converted to a psychic surgery lab.
1346
01:03:57,917 --> 01:04:00,511
I arrive at 9:30. I'm the only Westerner there.
1347
01:04:00,628 --> 01:04:02,505
The rest are Japanese. About 50 Japanese.
1348
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:05,474
There's a bus tour - Psychic Surgeons
of the Philippines - that they're on.
1349
01:04:05,592 --> 01:04:08,937
I think 25 are being operated on.
The other 25 are videotaping it...
1350
01:04:09,054 --> 01:04:10,772
judging from the equipment they've got.
1351
01:04:10,889 --> 01:04:12,891
And we're all going down this long corridor...
1352
01:04:13,016 --> 01:04:15,394
pictures of Trini Boca doing
psychic surgery on the walls.
1353
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,781
We get to the end of the corridor, there's
this huge crucifix of Jesus - who else?
1354
01:04:19,898 --> 01:04:22,492
And I turn, we go into the operating room...
1355
01:04:22,609 --> 01:04:25,783
and I cannot believe my eye.
1356
01:04:25,904 --> 01:04:27,872
- There he is - Trini Boca...
- [ Crowd Cheering]
1357
01:04:27,989 --> 01:04:30,333
The Elvis Presley of psychic surgeons...
1358
01:04:30,450 --> 01:04:32,703
standing in semitrance under fluorescent light.
1359
01:04:32,827 --> 01:04:34,625
He's a short man, about 45 years old.
Prince Valiant haircut.
1360
01:04:34,746 --> 01:04:36,714
Gold chains around his neck.
1361
01:04:36,831 --> 01:04:38,708
- Gold rings on his fingers, a gold watch.
- ♪♪ [ Rhythmic Percussion ]
1362
01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:40,585
He's got a light blue surgical gown on.
1363
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:43,008
He's got these Palm Beach
white lattice leisure shoes.
1364
01:04:43,129 --> 01:04:47,225
He's got this kind of Ricky Ricardo-babalu
Vegas energy pouring off him.
1365
01:04:47,342 --> 01:04:49,640
And around his waist is a butcher's apron.
1366
01:04:49,761 --> 01:04:53,106
He's standing in front of this operating
table that's shrink-wrapped in plastic.
1367
01:04:53,264 --> 01:04:56,234
Either end of the table, two men with mops.
1368
01:04:56,351 --> 01:04:58,729
And it begins.
1369
01:04:58,853 --> 01:05:01,572
Trini rolls up his sleeves, comes out of trance...
1370
01:05:01,689 --> 01:05:03,862
shows everyone he's got
"nothing in his hands, folks."
1371
01:05:03,983 --> 01:05:06,702
Puts his hands up, and the first Japanese woman...
1372
01:05:06,820 --> 01:05:09,573
trots up, lies out on the table,
Trini takes his hands and...
1373
01:05:09,697 --> 01:05:11,665
[ Exclaims ] drives them into her stomach.
1374
01:05:11,783 --> 01:05:14,957
The blood shoots five feet in the air...
1375
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,624
spraying the other naked Japanese
that are running, screaming, like children...
1376
01:05:18,790 --> 01:05:21,009
playing under a bloody sprinkler in summertime.
1377
01:05:21,126 --> 01:05:24,096
“Ow! Ow! Ow!"
She goes around to the back of the line.
1378
01:05:24,212 --> 01:05:28,137
Up comes a Japanese man. He lies down.
Trini drives his fingers into his stomach.
1379
01:05:28,258 --> 01:05:32,138
He begins pulling out what looks like
a meatball the size of a bull's heart.
1380
01:05:32,262 --> 01:05:34,936
“Thoomp!” Throws that in a bucket.
That man goes around to the back of the line.
1381
01:05:35,056 --> 01:05:36,979
Up comes a Japanese woman. She lies down.
1382
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:39,319
He takes his fingers - droop! -
drives them into her stomach...
1383
01:05:39,436 --> 01:05:41,313
pulls out what looks like bloody grapes...
1384
01:05:41,438 --> 01:05:44,738
begins squeezing them overhead,
like a kid playing with his own shit.
1385
01:05:44,858 --> 01:05:47,702
It's dropping down over her breasts.
She goes around to the back of the line.
1386
01:05:47,819 --> 01:05:49,821
Up comes a Japanese man. He lies out.
1387
01:05:49,946 --> 01:05:51,664
Trini takes his underwear, pulls it back..
1388
01:05:51,781 --> 01:05:54,330
Revealing his round, firm, full rump...
1389
01:05:54,451 --> 01:05:56,954
and begins reaching in, reaching up his ass.
1390
01:05:57,078 --> 01:05:59,922
With gold rings on his fingers he's reaching up.
1391
01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:03,339
And he's pulling out what looks like
spaghetti with marinara sauce on it.
1392
01:06:03,460 --> 01:06:05,633
It's supposed to be hemorrhoids.
“Thoomp!” Throws them in a bucket.
1393
01:06:05,753 --> 01:06:08,848
That man goes to the back of the line.
Up comes a woman. She lies down.
1394
01:06:09,007 --> 01:06:11,760
He begins to ooze pus out of her neck,
green and yellow pus...
1395
01:06:11,885 --> 01:06:14,434
catching in a cup.
She goes around to the back of the line.
1396
01:06:14,554 --> 01:06:17,182
They go through one more time,
basically having the same thing done.
1397
01:06:17,307 --> 01:06:20,106
He finishes, goes over, crosses them, blesses them.
1398
01:06:20,226 --> 01:06:21,978
Goes over to the crucifix, genuflects...
1399
01:06:22,103 --> 01:06:24,151
wipes the blood off his Palm Beach leisure shoe...
1400
01:06:24,272 --> 01:06:26,695
- lights a cigarette, and leaves.
- ♪♪ [ Ends ]
1401
01:06:28,943 --> 01:06:32,197
[ Drunkenly] And I - And I went back to my hotel...
1402
01:06:32,322 --> 01:06:35,371
and had my first drink.
1403
01:06:35,492 --> 01:06:39,713
I had 12 of them, in fact. Twelve San Miguel beers.
1404
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:41,957
Oh, my God. There was no one to talk to at the hotel.
1405
01:06:42,081 --> 01:06:44,379
All the Japanese tourists were there.
They didn't speak any English.
1406
01:06:44,501 --> 01:06:47,254
The only people that spoke any English
were the Philippine waiters...
1407
01:06:47,378 --> 01:06:50,723
and they're going, [Filipino Accent]
“Hmm. You go to Trini Boca, sir?
1408
01:06:50,882 --> 01:06:53,135
Hmm? He's very powerful man.
1409
01:06:53,259 --> 01:06:55,136
You will be healed if you believe.”
1410
01:06:55,261 --> 01:06:57,889
“Believe? Is that a prerequisite?
1411
01:06:58,014 --> 01:07:01,393
I thought he was gonna be like Jesus or E.T. -
1412
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:03,402
one touch and I'd be healed.
1413
01:07:03,561 --> 01:07:05,438
Oh, God, give me another drink!”
1414
01:07:05,563 --> 01:07:09,033
“You don't believe, sir?” “No. No, I don't believe.
1415
01:07:09,150 --> 01:07:11,027
Doubt is my bottom line.
1416
01:07:11,152 --> 01:07:13,246
The only thing I don't doubt is my doubt.
1417
01:07:13,363 --> 01:07:15,582
God, get me another beer, please.”
1418
01:07:15,698 --> 01:07:17,917
“You do not believe in a creator, sir?”
1419
01:07:18,034 --> 01:07:19,752
“No. What creator?
1420
01:07:19,911 --> 01:07:22,630
I thought I was idiopathic.
1421
01:07:22,747 --> 01:07:24,795
Give me another beer, please.”
1422
01:07:24,916 --> 01:07:27,965
“But you are praying all the time, sir.”
“What do you mean, I'm praying?”
1423
01:07:28,086 --> 01:07:31,090
“You are saying, 'Oh, God, please, a beer.
1424
01:07:31,256 --> 01:07:34,510
Oh, God, please, another beer."'
1425
01:07:34,634 --> 01:07:37,103
I went upstairs. I couldn't sleep.
1426
01:07:37,220 --> 01:07:39,598
All I could see is meatballs flying through the air.
1427
01:07:39,722 --> 01:07:42,976
At last I had a little drunken slumber.
Woke up with a hangover, ravaged...
1428
01:07:43,101 --> 01:07:45,274
staring at the ceiling, thinking...
1429
01:07:45,395 --> 01:07:49,025
“AIDS. AIDS. Of course.
1430
01:07:49,148 --> 01:07:52,152
Why does it take so long
to get to my bottom line of fear?
1431
01:07:52,277 --> 01:07:55,156
What American in this day and age
wouldn't be blood-phobic...
1432
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,078
with all that blood flying around?
1433
01:07:57,198 --> 01:07:58,950
I gotta go down and talk to Trini Boca,” I think.
1434
01:07:59,075 --> 01:08:02,454
So I go down a half hour early,
and I tell him, “Please, please, Mr. Boca...
1435
01:08:02,620 --> 01:08:04,793
when you finish operating on the Japanese today...
1436
01:08:04,956 --> 01:08:07,175
just wash your hands in rubbing alcohol...
1437
01:08:07,292 --> 01:08:11,263
come to my hotel room,
do a private operation with me, please?”
1438
01:08:11,379 --> 01:08:14,929
[ Filipino Accent]
“No. We do not do the private here.
1439
01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:18,178
Group only. No, no. No private operation.”
1440
01:08:18,303 --> 01:08:21,307
“But you have to respect my fear for AIDS.
1441
01:08:21,431 --> 01:08:24,310
How would I totally relax and lie out
on a table and give over to you...
1442
01:08:24,434 --> 01:08:26,186
if I have that fear in the way?”
1443
01:08:26,311 --> 01:08:28,359
“There's no AIDS here.
1444
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,153
One man came. He had the virus. Did not tell me.
1445
01:08:31,274 --> 01:08:33,447
My hands, they would not enter, they go...
1446
01:08:33,568 --> 01:08:35,662
zoom! [Gurgling ]
1447
01:08:38,364 --> 01:08:39,911
No AIDS.”
1448
01:08:40,033 --> 01:08:43,003
I wanted to believe him.
I wanted to get on that table.
1449
01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:45,167
“Where would I ever get the courage?” I thought.
1450
01:08:45,330 --> 01:08:48,504
And I thought, "I will just get in with the Japanese.
1451
01:08:48,666 --> 01:08:51,419
When they start moving,
they got that kamikaze energy.
1452
01:08:51,544 --> 01:08:54,548
Up on that table. No doubt.”
1453
01:08:54,672 --> 01:08:58,176
So I get in line with the Japanese
that are gonna be operated on.
1454
01:08:58,301 --> 01:09:01,931
They strip to their underwear. I'm stripping
to my red Fruit of the Loom jockey shorts.
1455
01:09:02,055 --> 01:09:04,183
And I'm just standing there,
my knees shaking, waiting.
1456
01:09:04,307 --> 01:09:06,856
And Trini comes, he rolls up his sleeves.
1457
01:09:07,018 --> 01:09:10,192
The Japanese woman from the day before
comes up, lies out on the table.
1458
01:09:10,313 --> 01:09:12,907
He takes his hands and drives them into her stomach.
1459
01:09:13,024 --> 01:09:16,369
The blood shoots five feet into the air.
People start going around.
1460
01:09:16,527 --> 01:09:19,201
It's my turn. I rush up.
I lie out on the table. I'm shaking.
1461
01:09:19,364 --> 01:09:23,870
I look up and say, “Trini, remember,
it's just my eye. Just my left eye.
1462
01:09:24,035 --> 01:09:27,710
Don't be pulling any meatballs out of me, please.”
1463
01:09:27,830 --> 01:09:30,549
He raises his hands. Shows me - nothing in them.
1464
01:09:30,667 --> 01:09:32,544
He goes over, he washes them off...
1465
01:09:32,669 --> 01:09:35,798
in basically what looks like a bucket of blood.
1466
01:09:35,922 --> 01:09:38,220
Picks up the cotton gauze.
This is where the “debunk” is...
1467
01:09:38,341 --> 01:09:40,469
like Amazing Randi says,
that they hide the blood pellets.
1468
01:09:40,593 --> 01:09:43,938
But as if to show me, prove it to me,
opens it - nothing in them.
1469
01:09:44,055 --> 01:09:46,057
Comes at me. Two fingers. Cop.
1470
01:09:46,224 --> 01:09:49,319
All of a sudden, I feel this pressure.
His fingers are going in my eye.
1471
01:09:49,435 --> 01:09:51,483
Blood is coming out. I assume it's my blood.
1472
01:09:51,604 --> 01:09:53,572
It doesn't feel like my blood,
though neither does a nosebleed...
1473
01:09:53,731 --> 01:09:55,233
when it comes out of my nose.
1474
01:09:55,358 --> 01:09:57,452
But it's coming down,
dripping over my other eye. Pop!
1475
01:09:57,568 --> 01:09:59,787
Pulls his finger out. No. Stops.
1476
01:09:59,904 --> 01:10:03,329
I run, not to the back of the line
but to the men's room to look in the mirror.
1477
01:10:03,449 --> 01:10:06,248
I'm looking at my eye, and there's
no blood leftover. What's going on?
1478
01:10:06,411 --> 01:10:09,381
And I don't see any better.
And now all I can hear is my friends...
1479
01:10:09,497 --> 01:10:11,499
back in Barrington, Rhode Island, saying...
1480
01:10:11,624 --> 01:10:14,753
“Say you went to a guy
who started pulling meatballs...
1481
01:10:14,919 --> 01:10:16,967
out of you the size of melons.
1482
01:10:17,088 --> 01:10:19,841
Would you go to a doctor then?”
1483
01:10:19,966 --> 01:10:21,388
“Yes!
1484
01:10:21,592 --> 01:10:23,185
Yes!
1485
01:10:23,636 --> 01:10:25,388
Yes!”
1486
01:10:25,513 --> 01:10:29,438
At first, I really thought that
this gentleman was just an actor...
1487
01:10:29,559 --> 01:10:32,483
and that he would try to memorize...
1488
01:10:32,603 --> 01:10:35,903
or let's say just be able to give
his lines in a certain way.
1489
01:10:36,023 --> 01:10:39,527
But he was so very good at it,
and he was so very knowledgeable, really...
1490
01:10:39,652 --> 01:10:41,654
when it came to some of the medical terms...
1491
01:10:41,779 --> 01:10:44,282
and I guess he became so believable...
1492
01:10:44,449 --> 01:10:48,249
that I really wanted to question
whether it was fiction or it was for real.
1493
01:10:48,369 --> 01:10:51,122
Well, I just thought that...
1494
01:10:51,247 --> 01:10:54,421
the methods he chose, the alternative methods...
1495
01:10:54,542 --> 01:10:57,216
including the sweat box...
1496
01:10:57,336 --> 01:11:00,431
the psychic Philippine person...
1497
01:11:00,548 --> 01:11:04,052
and the raw vegetables - they were just so extreme.
1498
01:11:04,177 --> 01:11:08,933
I didn't think anybody would go
through those extremes to, uh...
1499
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:13,944
you know, to treat an eye problem.
1500
01:11:14,061 --> 01:11:17,156
And he obviously is a very intelligent person.
1501
01:11:17,315 --> 01:11:18,988
He's very neurotic.
1502
01:11:19,108 --> 01:11:21,406
I think he certainly takes things to extreme...
1503
01:11:21,527 --> 01:11:25,122
and I'm not sure I agree
with his thought process about everything...
1504
01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:28,334
but I really was surprised...
1505
01:11:28,493 --> 01:11:31,087
that it really was - He was the patient. Mm-hmm.
1506
01:11:31,204 --> 01:11:35,334
I think he was kind of humorous.
I really do. It's kind of, urn...
1507
01:11:35,458 --> 01:11:37,460
more New Yorker style, I guess.
1508
01:11:39,128 --> 01:11:42,348
I think he would be a very pleasant person...
1509
01:11:42,507 --> 01:11:45,511
but I don't know if I could...
1510
01:11:45,676 --> 01:11:47,519
relate to him quite as easily.
1511
01:11:47,637 --> 01:11:50,516
I think he would be a challenge,
and I think he'd be somebody...
1512
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,315
that you would find it challenging to consult...
1513
01:11:54,435 --> 01:11:57,985
but I certainly would advise him...
1514
01:11:58,105 --> 01:12:01,826
some of these alternative therapies
that he should not do.
1515
01:12:01,943 --> 01:12:04,287
And I think I probably would spend more time...
1516
01:12:04,403 --> 01:12:06,405
just trying to reassure him...
1517
01:12:06,531 --> 01:12:10,206
that this condition does have
a fairly good prognosis...
1518
01:12:10,326 --> 01:12:14,001
and that he should've done this
earlier rather than later. Mm-hmm.
1519
01:12:14,121 --> 01:12:17,250
So I get back to New York City,
sure that I'm gonna have the operation.
1520
01:12:17,375 --> 01:12:19,252
When I get back, I'm not so sure.
1521
01:12:19,377 --> 01:12:21,880
The nurse calls, says I should come in.
The doctor wants to see me.
1522
01:12:22,004 --> 01:12:23,881
He's heard I've been to the Philippines.
1523
01:12:24,006 --> 01:12:26,555
They want to do a kind of preoperative exam.
1524
01:12:26,676 --> 01:12:29,304
I don't have to get the operation.
It's my choice, right?
1525
01:12:29,428 --> 01:12:32,022
Also, they say, “Come in on Friday. It's a half day.
1526
01:12:32,139 --> 01:12:34,358
There won't be anyone in the waiting room.”
1527
01:12:34,475 --> 01:12:37,570
So that's a temptation, and I do come in.
1528
01:12:37,687 --> 01:12:40,065
No one's there. I'm getting my pupils dilated.
1529
01:12:40,189 --> 01:12:42,783
I have no book. I'm doing my dilation meditation...
1530
01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:45,949
kind of fuzzing out there,
and I look down the corridor...
1531
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:50,075
and I see this guy backing out of my doctor's office.
1532
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:52,543
And he's kind of waving as he's backing up.
1533
01:12:52,660 --> 01:12:55,334
And it's like an old-time movie.
It's like a Buster Keaton movie.
1534
01:12:55,454 --> 01:12:58,207
And he turns, and he's walking toward me...
1535
01:12:58,332 --> 01:13:01,381
and I realize he has
one of those rubber Nixon masks on...
1536
01:13:01,502 --> 01:13:03,925
the kind you'd buy in a joke shop
when Nixon was president.
1537
01:13:04,046 --> 01:13:06,890
And I think, "What's going on here? A robbery?"
1538
01:13:07,008 --> 01:13:09,227
He turns, he's coming toward me, and I realize...
1539
01:13:09,343 --> 01:13:12,096
“Wait a minute. It is Richard Nixon.”
1540
01:13:12,263 --> 01:13:14,391
And he's walking toward me with intent...
1541
01:13:14,515 --> 01:13:16,609
as if he's gonna say, “Hello.
1542
01:13:16,767 --> 01:13:19,771
I saw Swimming to Cambodia, and I loved it.”
1543
01:13:19,896 --> 01:13:23,400
And then I think, “Wait a minute.
Maybe his pupils are dilated...
1544
01:13:23,524 --> 01:13:26,243
and he thinks I'm Ralph Lauren.”
1545
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,365
He walks up. I look up. I just say,
“Oh, hi,” and he walks out.
1546
01:13:30,489 --> 01:13:32,787
But you know, the strange part is...
1547
01:13:32,909 --> 01:13:35,287
seeing Richard Nixon come out
of my doctor's office gave me...
1548
01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:38,415
the faith, the hope, and the courage
to have that operation.
1549
01:13:39,957 --> 01:13:43,257
I don't' know if I could've done the operation
if Renée wasn't' holding my hand.
1550
01:13:43,377 --> 01:13:45,630
- [ Monitor Beeping ]
- I was terrified.
1551
01:13:45,796 --> 01:13:49,266
They gave me a local anesthetic,
so I could hear everything that was going on.
1552
01:13:49,383 --> 01:13:52,683
The doctors were talking about some party
they'd had the night before.
1553
01:13:52,803 --> 01:13:54,976
While they were peeling me,
they were talking about a party.
1554
01:13:55,097 --> 01:13:56,815
Very nonchalant.
1555
01:13:56,933 --> 01:13:58,935
The radio was playing rock and roll, I remember-
1556
01:13:59,060 --> 01:14:02,030
Elton John, “Crocodile Rock.”
1557
01:14:02,146 --> 01:14:04,695
When I came to, I had a patch over my left eye.
1558
01:14:04,815 --> 01:14:06,783
And they put a gas bubble in there...
1559
01:14:06,901 --> 01:14:08,903
in my eye, to prevent glaucoma.
1560
01:14:09,028 --> 01:14:10,905
I'm glad I didn't know they were gonna do that.
1561
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:14,330
Turned out I couldn't raise my head at all,
'cause it would break the bubble.
1562
01:14:14,492 --> 01:14:17,416
Oh, and the doctor gave me
a videotape of the operation.
1563
01:14:17,536 --> 01:14:20,460
He titled it Swimming to Macula Pucker.
1564
01:14:20,581 --> 01:14:22,549
Had a sense of humor.
1565
01:14:22,667 --> 01:14:25,796
I get home, I couldn't raise my head.
I had to sleep facedown.
1566
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,093
Renée put pillows on either side
so I couldn't roll over.
1567
01:14:28,214 --> 01:14:30,512
I had to eat facedown. I had to walk. I remember-
1568
01:14:30,675 --> 01:14:33,144
Oh, I joined the Library for the Blind.
I could get books on tape.
1569
01:14:33,260 --> 01:14:35,558
And I remember Renée
guiding me up with my head down...
1570
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,729
looking at chewing gum, cigarette butts...
1571
01:14:38,849 --> 01:14:40,851
graffiti, dog shit.
1572
01:14:40,977 --> 01:14:44,572
I get up and rented The Miracle Worker, I remember.
1573
01:14:44,689 --> 01:14:47,317
And when I got back, Renée did
this ingenious thing with mirrors...
1574
01:14:47,441 --> 01:14:49,819
so that I could see the videotape of the operation.
1575
01:14:49,944 --> 01:14:52,868
She arranged mirrors so I could see the monitor.
1576
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:55,249
And... oh, whoa!
1577
01:14:55,366 --> 01:14:58,870
What a video! I mean, you talk
about Philippine psychic surgeons.
1578
01:14:59,036 --> 01:15:02,415
Here's a close-up of my macula.
It was magnified, so it looked like Mars.
1579
01:15:02,540 --> 01:15:06,135
It was very yellow, and the veins and
capillaries looked like the rivers on Mars.
1580
01:15:06,252 --> 01:15:08,550
And then into the frame
you see this little pincer come...
1581
01:15:08,671 --> 01:15:11,800
just like a little crab claw,
and begin to pick at the edema.
1582
01:15:11,924 --> 01:15:14,677
And it's coming off the retina like gossamer threads.
1583
01:15:14,802 --> 01:15:17,180
I mean, never touching the retina once.
1584
01:15:17,304 --> 01:15:19,227
Just off and up until we're in whiteout.
1585
01:15:19,390 --> 01:15:21,893
I don't know where we are.
Renée's in the bathroom by now.
1586
01:15:22,059 --> 01:15:25,154
And I see stitches the size of ropes...
1587
01:15:25,271 --> 01:15:27,740
and I realize they're sewing up my left eye.
1588
01:15:27,857 --> 01:15:30,076
It's like - whew! - The Andalusian Dog
1589
01:15:30,234 --> 01:15:31,952
magnified a hundred times.
1590
01:15:32,069 --> 01:15:34,288
I'm just thinking, "This is just a movie.
1591
01:15:34,405 --> 01:15:38,785
That's not my eye. This is just a movie."
1592
01:15:38,909 --> 01:15:41,788
And after 14 days, it was time
to have the patch removed.
1593
01:15:41,912 --> 01:15:44,756
Renée and I went to the doctor's office.
1594
01:15:44,915 --> 01:15:48,761
He took the patch off,
and basically it was not great.
1595
01:15:48,878 --> 01:15:52,098
It was like looking through the bottom
of an empty Coke bottle.
1596
01:15:52,214 --> 01:15:54,808
Real fuzzy. Also, it was a cockeyed feeling...
1597
01:15:54,925 --> 01:15:57,144
like I had this white hair between my eyes...
1598
01:15:57,261 --> 01:16:00,561
that just needed to be brushed,
but I couldn't find it to brush.
1599
01:16:00,681 --> 01:16:02,934
And we went out and sat
on a park bench in Central Park...
1600
01:16:03,059 --> 01:16:05,858
and I looked across the park,
and in the distance I saw...
1601
01:16:05,978 --> 01:16:08,481
leaves blowing in the wind,
a bunch of children running...
1602
01:16:08,606 --> 01:16:12,782
a red ball rolling, a flock of starlings taking off.
1603
01:16:12,943 --> 01:16:16,288
I covered my right eye. No leaves.
1604
01:16:16,447 --> 01:16:19,121
Blur of children. Blotch of red.
1605
01:16:19,283 --> 01:16:21,160
No birds.
1606
01:16:21,285 --> 01:16:24,289
Covered my left - ah, ecstasy.
1607
01:16:25,664 --> 01:16:27,666
Covered my right -
1608
01:16:27,792 --> 01:16:29,794
despair.
1609
01:16:29,919 --> 01:16:31,671
Ecstasy.
1610
01:16:33,130 --> 01:16:35,178
Despair.
1611
01:16:35,299 --> 01:16:37,472
And I realized at that moment
that I was now living...
1612
01:16:37,635 --> 01:16:40,809
the perfect yin-and-yang existence.
1613
01:16:40,930 --> 01:16:44,104
And Renée and I went home, and I ate big fish...
1614
01:16:44,225 --> 01:16:47,570
and I drank a bottle of wine, and I smoked a cigar.
1615
01:16:47,686 --> 01:16:50,064
And I ate and I drank and I smoked...
1616
01:16:50,189 --> 01:16:52,988
everything that could make me blind.
1617
01:16:53,901 --> 01:16:56,370
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