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[ominous music plays]

[theme music playing]

The thing inside of me, it's like...

the appetite, it's like a wolf that's...

feeling... the hunger.

[Dr. De La Torre] Walking into a scene in which a decapitation has occurred

is especially gruesome.

There is a level of brutality that...

any other murder doesn't really come close to...

kind of exemplifying.

You have essentially wiped the identity

from that individual.

Everything about a decapitation is about patience.

It's controlled chaos.

For Dicus to engage in a behavior like this

to his own wife suggests that she was never

a person that he loved.

She was never a partner in this relationship.

She was only ever an object, a toy,

something that he could easily discard when he was done.

[Dr. Sahni] What we see in this moment

is somebody who's calm,

he's collected, he's respectful of the officer,

and he's actually somewhat deflated.

He's low energy.

This is not someone you would imagine

could have committed such a heinous and callous crime.

We know from available records that after killing his wife

and taking the time to clean himself up,

Dicus is seen going into

his wife's place of employment,

calmly walking into one of the refrigerator cases,

taking out a beer, taking it outside,

drinking it, and then returning home.

This is not the behavior or actions

of somebody who's concerned about what he's just done.

When we think about psychopathy and we think about people

who lack remorse or have callousness,

those symptoms and those factors altogether

are exactly what we're seeing with Dicus in this moment.

[Dr. Morgan III] I think the behavior's a little odd.

There are these gaps, and you're trying to figure out,

is he not tracking, or is he really tracking,

but he's refusing to answer.

As the interview progresses, he's trying out,

in not a great way, how to try and look maybe crazy

that would get him a psych eval.

He's got to now figure out how to be in charge,

how to control the narrative.

Something else made him do this thing.

He's trying to shape and create a view of him in the eyes

of the detectives as someone who is damaged.

[Dr. Sahni] What he's doing is shifting the blame away from himself.

He's blaming it on superficial external choices he's made.

He's not really acknowledging that the level of violence

in this crime and the pattern of trying to control the victim

have very little to do with any history of drug use.

And it's also important to note that toxicology reports

indicate trace levels of marijuana, of cocaine,

but nothing that rises to the level of what Dicus

is trying to convince detectives made him do it.

So what we see is somebody

who's still manipulating the situation.

[Det. 1 laughs]

[Dr. Morgan III] We see somebody pretending that they have an illness.

We call that "malingering," that they're trying to produce

symptoms of a mental illness in order to persuade the viewer

either that they're ill, they're sick, they're impaired,

but they're not in a normal frame of mind.

The crack in this whole presentation is when he finally

even laughs about it,

'cause he knows it's laughable.

It means this is a performance, and even he can't hold it

for a moment, has to laugh about it with them.

There is a brief moment,

a brief glimpse to the camera,

when he's talking about how the voice is telling him

to try to stop time.

And it's at that moment

that now everything is starting to come out.

Now it's, you know, now it's time to be violent.

He has to make this performance work

if he's to get out of this.

So engaging in this performance,

it's obviously an inability to accept responsibility.

Psychopath is never going to accept responsibility

for any action that they take.

While Dicus would have the detectives believe

early on that he doesn't remember what happened,

that he doesn't recall the details,

that he was under the influence of substances,

or he was under the influence

of command auditory hallucinations

telling him to do this,

suddenly now he remembers a lot of details

about what the voices told him to do,

about how things unfolded in the conflict,

that he did decapitate his wife.

And in his own way,

he's trying to maintain control over the interview

and over the narrative.

And to think that this small, petite victim

would have taken a kitchen knife

and handed it to a volatile, unstable person

who had hit her before and was volatile with her

seems completely ridiculous.

The relationship between Jared Dicus

and his wife, Anggy Díaz, begins accidentally,

both literally and figuratively.

There was a car accident that Anggy was involved in

that led to Jared being sort of somehow witness to it

and became sort of a knight in shining armor.

But it was more love bombing than anything.

It was more sort of ingratiating himself

into a relationship.

Díaz herself is an immigrant.

English is not her primary language.

So she's very vulnerable to being exploited.

So there's so much that's happening in this relationship.

And Anggy has finally decided

that she is going to exert agency in her own life,

saying that this is not the life that she wants to live

and she wants to leave.

This is absolutely Dicus being confronted with rejection

and attempting to find a way

in which to control it behaviorally.

And when that wasn't going to happen,

he was gonna go as far as he needed to go,

however he needed to get there,

in order to ensure that Anggy Díaz

never left that house alive.

[Dr. Morgan III] Remorse is so hard to measure.

They've already told him, you know,

"Jury's not going to like it if you stumble this.

We need to see a sign of remorse."

And so it doesn't surprise me

that he's going to throw in there, "I'm very sorry.

You know, she didn't deserve it."

It doesn't feel very heartfelt when somebody looks

brokenhearted and genuinely crying over something.

It tends to tug at our heartstrings.

And we go, "I think they really feel bad about it."

But we don't get any of that from him.

They just don't come across as genuine.

So, if they are genuine, it's bad for him

'cause he can't convey it in a way

that regular humans can -- can feel it.

[speaking in Spanish] ¿Usted se dio cuenta?

¿O cuándo fue que se dio cuenta que tenían...

problemas en el matrimonio?

[speaking in Spanish]

[translator] About a month ago.

[in Spanish] ¿Y dónde era los golpes?

Los moreteados.

[translator] They've been arguing all night.

[Dr. Sahni] For a psychopathic individual

and a domestic violence perpetrator

who is psychopathic,

the need to maintain power and control over their victims,

the need to preserve their own narcissism,

is significant.

And for someone like Anggy,

who very rapidly was putting together

the reality of what was happening,

and that it wasn't going to get better,

that she did need to leave,

that she regretted marrying this person

despite her young age, she was smart.

She was figuring out

that this wasn't gonna get better.

Domestic violence perpetrators don't tolerate rejection.

Psychopaths don't tolerate rejection.

And psychopathic individuals

don't deal well with losing control of a situation.

And that's where we see the powder keg to the amount

of violence that was this crime.