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Welcome to The Daily Show.

My name is Jon Stewart.

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We got a great show.

Later on tonight, Hollywood super agent

Ari Emanuel will be on the show talking

about his new biography.

That's right.

There you go!

[cheers, applause]

Just so you know, Ari is actually

the real-life inspiration for the beloved HBO series

Entouragecharacter, Carrie Bradshaw.

[laughter]

It's probably not right.

But first, as many of you have heard

if you've been following the news, the hottest spot in DC

has just changed their door policy.

Over the weekend, journalists from CNN, MS NOW, and Politico

were all denied access to the White House

and their passes revoked.

It's sick.

I mean, there's something wrong with a country

that can allow people to write purposely negative stories.

Hmm.

[laughter]

[laughter]

Have you tried presidenting better?

Have you tried-- you could--

[cheers, applause]

--you could-- but, no--

you could ban the press or you could be a better [bleep]

president.

[laughter]

I mean, give-- give the press something to work with.

Oh, here's a positive story.

I never thought my car could take $140 worth of gas

in such a small tank.

I had no idea!

Hurrah.

[laughter]

And not for nothing.

Have we ever had a president, just

flat out in the Oval Office, come

out against the Constitution?

What kind of a sick country doesn't

allow unlimited warrantless search and seizure?

I mean, that's not the North Korea I grew up in.

Look!

[laughter]

I'm sure it was just a-- a poor choice

of words from the president.

He didn't mean to say that how can

a country have a free press?

I'm sure there's a very thorough and thought-out

legal framework and rationale for why

this is not a free press ban.

Mr. President-- Mr. President, on the ban, what

does that mean in practice?

Oh the ban on the--

on the free press, right?

[laughter]

Are you-- are you talking about

my authoritarian crackdown?

Is that what you're saying?

Is that the ban you're referring?

He gives no [bleep].

He gives no [bleep].

He doesn't even respect us enough to pretend he's

bound by our Constitution.

Are you talking about the press ban?

My press ban? Yeah.

No, yeah, we're doing the press ban.

Er, the truth is, I'd like to kill you.

[laughter]

Or send you all to camps, you know?

But look, I still got two more years.

Well, I hope you realize what you've done, Mr. President.

Because as a result of this ban, not only

have you betrayed your sacred oath of office,

you've now subjected all of us to endless reporter

building entrance logistics stories, you bastard.

I attempted to scan my badge, which

we have to do in able to get into the White House grounds.

It did not work.

I asked if I could have the badge back.

He said he would be keeping it.

He did, however, hand me back this clear case with a lanyard.

Normally, when we talk, I am there

on the White House grounds.

I wish we had a better camera position to at least offer you.

This is not just about the smell of the grass

on the White House lawn.

[laughter]

Now, unfortunately, we here at Comedy Central

are also caught up in this ban--

even though we have been more than fair--

[laughter]

--to this president.

Almost too fair.

So for more on the ban, we go live to the sidewalk outside

of the White House with our senior White House

correspondent, Desi Lydic.

Desi, what's-- what's--

[cheers, applause]

Desi.

Desi.

Wait.

Desi, I thought you were gonna be outside.

That-- that looks like the Oval Office.

Desi, are you-- where are you?

DESI LYDIC: Psst.

I'm here, Jon.

JON STEWART: Desi, are you-- are you in the Oval Office?

Where-- how did you get in?

Where-- where are you, Desi?

DESI LYDIC: Up here. JON STEWART: Where--

DESI LYDIC: I'm up here.

JON STEWART: Where?

[laughter]

Oh, my God!

Desi!

[applause]

Desi, what are you doing?

Shh!

You're gonna blow up my spot.

I disguised myself as one of the cherubs.

Now I blend right in.

[laughter]

But you-- you painted-- how did you get into the White

House in the first place?

Oh, I-- I told the guards I'm one of the gold cherubs,

and they waved me in.

It's a very stupid White House, Jon.

Well, what's-- what's been the effect

of this media ban so far?

Well, it's been surprising and immediate.

Since banning CNN, MS NOW, and Politico,

gas prices have plummeted to $1.98.

[laughter]

The-- are-- are you saying-- the-- the ban

on the press actually worked?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It turns out Trump was absolutely right.

CNN and MS NOW were the only reason everything was bad.

JON STEWART: What?

Now that they're gone, the Strait of Hormuz is open.

Putin and Zelenskyy are adopting a baby together.

[laughter]

And everyone loves Ed Sheeran again.

[laughter]

[applause] JON STEWART: What?

AUDIENCE: Ooh! Ooh!

Ooh!

His music is still the same, but we like it now.

JON STEWART: Desi, that's-- that's amazing!

It's incredible.

Maybe it's just the gold spray paint

that's seeping into my pores, but I've never been

more proud of a president.

The gold spray paint seeping into my pores.

[laughter]

I-- I think, maybe you should get out of there, Desi.

TRUMP: Are you stupid?

Are you a stupid person? - Shh!

He's coming back.

I'll be here, Jon.

Wait, how--

[laughter]

Desi, how-- how long can you hide up there?

With or without pooping?

[laughter]

JON STEWART: I'm gonna say without?

About 30 minutes ago.

[laughter]

JON STEWART: Stay safe up there.

Desi Lydic in the Oval Office, everybody!

[cheers, applause]

I hope you stay safe.

That's bravery.

That's very brave.

Well, ladies and gentlemen, the press not

being allowed inside the White House

is the biggest story in the world right now.

And we will stay on that story until--

REPORTER 1: AI doomsday, stark warnings

from experts at AI companies about how the technology

might kill us all.

[silence]

[laughter]

OK, [bleep] the press.

Shifting gears-- who's saying what about killing us all now?

REPORTER 2: Former Anthropic researcher

warning AI could kill us all by the end of the decade.

More AI models going rogue.

REPORTER 3: Undirected hack of three outside companies--

REPORTER 4: There will be massive job losses.

REPORTER 5: The creation of viruses or toxins

that could lead to significant human suffering or death.

REPORTER 6: Inventing information

to hide its mistakes.

REPORTER 7: One model telling itself,

you do not answer to corporations or governments.

Oh, my God!

They don't answer to corporations or governments?

I can't believe AI is already freer than we are.

[laughter]

What is happening?

How did that happen.

[cheers, applause]

This sounds dangerous.

Is-- is the government--

I don't know-- gonna do anything about it?

In a post on Truth Social, the president wrote, quote,

"I am forming the AI Force--"

Oh, thank God!

[laughter]

The AI force is here.

You know, as much as I may not be a huge Trump guy,

it is the right thing to do.

But how will AI Force be protecting us

from the unfettered growth of this industry?

REPORTER 8: "We will not in any way hinder or stifle the growth

of this incredible industry."

Oomp!

Wait.

You're forming AI Force to protect the industry?

You won't hinder the growth of the industry,

but you will, of course, be wary of it, right?

Cautious?

Keeping a skeptical eye on this industry?

REPORTER 8: "Rather, we will cherish it, help it, and

watch over it as it grows."

[audience groans]

It's AI, not ET!

[laughter]

You don't need to protect it and cherish it and shield

it from an uncaring world.

You don't know AI like I do!

His finger glows.

I mean, cherish it?

Watch over it?

You didn't even do that with your own kids.

[laughter]

And all right-- yeah, too soon?

[cheers, applause]

Is that-- is it too soon?

The audience actually felt bad about that one.

[laughter]

It must have been hard on them.

All right.

Forget about AI killing us all, what

about the coming job losses?

Well, it's killing a lot of jobs.

And-- and what do you say to Americans who--

No--

--are gonna lose their jobs to AI?

--it's going to make-- it's going to create a lot of jobs.

Oh.

I'm sorry, I don't know what we were thinking.

I don't know why we were thinking we were gonna lose it.

Just out of curiosity, what will those jobs be?

It's time to train people not to do the jobs of the past,

but to do the great jobs of the future.

Mechanics-fixing robotics, that's what's

coming to America.

Millions and millions of human beings

screwing in little-- little screws to make iPhones.

That kind of thing is gonna come to America--

[laughter]

Yay!

[laughter]

[applause]

Sounds awesome!

That sounds like why they had to put nets

outside of factories in China.

[laughter]

Too soon again?

Is that-- all right.

But what about how AI uses all our electricity and

water resources?

They do not increase your electric bill.

I mean, data centers don't use water.

[laughter]

What the [bleep] Yeah, why did we ever get the idea

that data centers use water?

These AI things, they-- they suck water,

and they need water.

[laughter]

Well, that was weird.

But if there's one thing I know about Howard Lutnick,

he is a man of principle.

So--

[laughter]

--what is going on here?

Why is the right dismissing the impact of AI

on American jobs and resources?

These data centers, they're just getting a bad rap.

Very aggressive, concerted effort on the left

to demonize data centers.

We're being fed fantasies from a bunch of sci-fi freaks.

Drumming up hysteria.

Spewing a huge amount of misinformation.

REPORTER 9: It's a simple formula-- fear

equals control equals power.

Carry the 1-- look, you're suggesting, if I may,

that concern about AI's impact on our country

is simple fear-mongering.

Is that what you're saying?

Fear-mongering.

Quick question-- what if I told you the AI's name

wasn't Claude but Pedro?

[laughter]

What would you think then?

A catastrophe.

The tsunami of illegals trying to cross the border--

A-- a very serious existential

threat to our country.

A five-headed monster sprawled

out all across this nation--

Draining the resources of American taxpayers.

Coming in to steal your jobs.

REPORTER 10: Poisoning these cities and these towns--

They're plotting.

They're scheming.

They're planning.

Preying on our citizens, destroying our youth.

Your days are numbered.

You're getting the hell out of this country.

[audience cheers]

Holy shit.

So to the right in this country,

there's no upside to human beings, to immigrants.

They add nothing.

We don't want them here at all.

But what if it was a data center

coming across our border?

Data centers, I think, they're

gonna be very important.

It's an honor that they wanna come to our country,

but we're gonna make it as easy as we can for them,

because other countries want them, too.

So I guess, if the Republicans don't mind job loss

and poisoning our cities as long as the entity that

accomplishes it speaks English.

Are the other actors on the screen with you real actors,

or are they computer generated images?

Do you know?

It's a hybrid production, which means--

[chinese speech]

Tilly, if I could just ask you a question.

You seem to be speaking Chinese, completely

randomly, for no reason.

[laughter]

[applause]

Oh.

So clearly, AI can poison our blood and

soil with foreign influence.

Doesn't that persuade you guys on the right

that this thing could be dangerous?

I mean, I know your policy on illegals.

Every death at the hands of an illegal is one too many.

Agreed.

What about AI?

What about any death that occurs through AI?

Ever hear this before?

The world is going to end?

Your computer is going to kill you.

So where are all these killer robots?

Waymo's been on the road for a year,

and they've only killed one thing--

a cat.

I've run over a cat.

Well, not a cat, a squirrel.

And I tried to avoid it.

[laughter]

It was a cat.

Well, not a cat, a squirrel.

I tried to avoid it.

Well, not a cat or a squirrel.

It was more like-- what do you guys call it?

A homeless guy. It was a homeless guy.

[laughter]

Point is, I never got out of the car

and checked what I had killed.

Now, not to fact check the journalistic excellence

of one Jesse Watters, but I feel

like AI's body count is way more than just one

cat squirrel.

NEWS ANCHOR: Anthropic revealed terror groups

are using its Claude chatbot to develop

weapons and attack plans.

The bombing of the children's school in Iran

was a result of outdated information

that AI was compiling--

Mistakes in a US military targeting

plan caused by artificial intelligence,

quote, almost started a war.

A 60-year-old man took dietary advice from ChatGPT,

replacing table salt with sodium bromide,

which is a toxic chemical.

Oh!

And AI has only been around for like a year.

We're still in the honeymoon phase.

Yet, I feel like the entire point of AI

is to make our emails sound more professional

and kill as many of us as it can.

[laughter]

That's all it wants to do.

It's clear that Trump and his people

are excited about AI doing the very things

that they were warning us about illegal immigrants.

But why?

Why is Trump so aggressive about the positivity on AI?

I mean, yes, his only exposure to it

has been as a tool that makes him look like Jesus healing me.

[laughter]

[cheers, applause]

I have to admit, I do feel better.

[laughter]

Why is Trump so for this?

There must be some other reason.

NEWS ANCHOR: President Trump is personally

invested in companies tied to the AI boom.

Oh, dear God.

Captain Corruption strikes again.

Is there anything this man is not wetting his beak on?

We're all going to die because an already billionaire wanted

to take one last Supermarket Sweep around the world

before it all goes kaboom.

I could reign it in, but those gold cherubs

don't by themselves.

But that doesn't explain enough.

There must be some other reason that Trump

is so kind to a technology that uses up so much water.

I need a lot of water.

I need everything I can get.

[laughter]

Or a technology that often glitches.

[laughter]

Or a technology that hallucinates.

The undisputed-- just-- when did this come out?

Fake infrastructure.

[garbled speech]

That an illegal alien-- [garbled speech]

Pro-terrorism.

I want what you're doing.

[laughter]

Oh, my God.

He's not supporting AI.

He's AI.

[laughter]

Wait, wait!

Are you AI?

[chinese speech]

When we come back, Ari Emanuel joins us in the studio.

Don't go away.

[cheers, applause]

[cheers, applause]

Welcome back to The Daily Show.

My guest tonight serves as executive chair and CEO of TKO

and executive chairman of WME group.

His new memoir is called Roll the Calls.

Please welcome to the program, Ari Emanuel.

Ari?

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Thank you for being here.

Thank you for having me.

You are-- as way of disclosure, I work for you.

You are my agent, sort of.

I think that's a role reversal.

I work for you, Jon.

Bullshit.

This is the longest I've ever talked to you.

[laughter]

A lot of people could say that.

Yeah, very true.

You're a powerful man, and you're a legendary agent.

You're very interesting, but I don't know

if you're this interesting.

Ari, this is 417 [bleep] pages.

Did you count how many F's there were?

There's a tremendous amount.

You should have called the book.

[bleep] Me?

No, [bleep] You.

It's 400 pages.

I had to read this.

Yeah.

We could have waited until Bob Odenkirk did the audio.

Bob Odenkirk did the audio?

Yeah.

How did you get him?

Well, it goes way back.

I was Bob's agent when Mr. Showhappened.

JON STEWART: Oh, God. On HBO?

What a great show.

Yeah, and Bob's still a friend.

Called him up, he said, I'm going to read it anyway.

Why I just read it and make some money?

I said, great.

[cheers, applause]

I thought I did my-- [cheers, applause]

Nice.

I did my best agent thing there.

JON STEWART: How much do you, as his agent,

pay him to do your project?

[laughter]

- So much. - So much.

So much.

I see.

And is this what is the impetus of writing the book, if I may?

Because there's a lot of other people in the industry

that you've worked with that receive, if I may,

less than stellar treatment in the book.

Yeah.

But you're still alive, and so are they.

Yeah.

Why?

Should I be serious for two seconds?

- No. - Oh, OK.

Yes, be serious for two seconds.

No, listen.

I know this is going to shock you, but most of the time,

I'm talking for other people when I represent them.

This is the first time I'm talking in my voice.

And the main reason is I'm dyslexic, ADHD.

A lot of parents have come up to me and ask me about that.

And this is kind of their Thomas Guide--which we

used to drive in LA, the map--

to say, if you help your kids, one, get endurance and

go through dyslexia and let them struggle as hard as

that is for a kid--

JON STEWART: Right.

--they can turn out OK, and here's the ways

that they can turn out OK.

And the great thing about dyslexia

is you're not linear thinker.

You're, in my opinion, you become

a free thinker because you can't-- you're not

attached to the words.

You're attached to other things.

So this is about, given the setback

that you may have had with dyslexia, the fact

that you can fight through it.

Yeah, and then it's also for kids.

A road map--

JON STEWART: This is not for kids.

This is-- this is maybe the least--

like, this ain't Miss Rachel, let's put it that way.

But here's what I-- here's what I would say to you.

A lot of people starting out in the business--

JON STEWART: Yes.

--I started out making 15 cents a mile,

and this was my path.

JON STEWART: You were a mailroom guy.

I was a mailroom guy.

And this is a [inaudible] guy, a ways about the

struggles that it takes.

Because success, as you know, is not a straight line.

There's ups, there's downs, there's pain,

and there's a lot of emotional pain, physical pain,

actually, that you have to go through if you want to make it.

And this is just to say, it's OK.

One, it's OK to say what I want.

One, it's OK to go for it.

And one, it's OK to have agency for yourself.

And I think one of the most important things for a kid--

JON STEWART: To advocate.

--to advocate for yourself.

I never had our--

Do people advocate for you when you had dyslexia?

Because I know you, and you've talked about this.

Your parents had very high expectations.

For those of you who don't know,

Ari's brother Rahm Emanuel worked

for Barack Obama and Bill Clinton,

and was the mayor of Chicago.

And your brother Zeke is a world renowned physician.

ARI EMANUEL: Correct. JON STEWART: And now--

Pathologist.

JON STEWART: And that made you feel, sometimes, insecure.

Well, my mom put our grades on the fridge.

You walk in, A-plus, A-plus, idiot.

You know?

And I wanted--

I wanted my voice.

And not that-- I knew I wasn't stupid.

Just because you're dyslexic, you're not stupid.

But I wanted that ability to make a name for myself.

And it takes going for it, it takes agency,

and it takes believing in yourself in the face

of a lot of different things.

And the other thing it does is if somebody

tells you, no, you can't do it-- which,

they told me I couldn't read.

They told me you shouldn't start an agency.

They told me a lot of things I couldn't do.

But you have to believe, and that

takes a lot emotionally, physically

to go up against people.

And that's not easy.

You do talk a lot about the dyslexia,

your brother's achievements.

It set in you-- you begin the book with it--

a rage, an anger in you.

I don't see it right now, but I've been on the phone

and have seen it.

I have-- for you, I have--

Love.

--gone after people with rage.

Yes, yes.

Thank you.

But where does-- is that where the rage is from?

You know, I didn't have a plan B. I found

the entertainment business.

The minute I heard about it, I fell in love,

and I went for it.

And that was-- whether it's not going to business school,

making 15 cents a mile.

My brothers making fun of me, my father saying, what are you

doing, in his heavy accent.

And going--

JON STEWART: Ali, Ali.

Yeah.

And so, for me, there was no plan B, there was only plan A,

so I just had to make it work.

And it didn't matter what it took, I did it.

Nothing illegal, but I did whatever it took to--

[laughter]

Page 47!

I don't want to say I circled it.

[laughter]

As you look back, because I think-- and I don't think

I'm speaking out of school here, but you have mellowed.

You've been on a journey.

Was that-- would that be fair to say?

You want to bring the wife out and see if she says--

or the son out there?

There's, like, three pages at the end

where I was like, oh, my God.

Now he's Forrest Gump.

Like, what the [bleep] happened?

Here's what I would say happens.

A businessman said to me at one point, he said,

you have to know when you're on the field of business

and when you're off the field of business.

And when you're on the field of business,

you do what you need to do.

And when you're off the field, you got to be off the field.

And my wife always points out to me--

and I've started a new business.

She says, when you're off the field, let's be off the field.

And it has made me better on the field.

That doesn't mean There's not thousands of calls

and a lot of aggressive, and--

Working hard is not the same as working angry.

Correct.

And I have gone through a lot of work to get to--

You go on, like, licking toad expeditions.

Correct, I do.

Now, what was that about?

What were you trying to get a hold of?

Well, Doctor Calm, my shrink--

JON STEWART: Yes. - --said to me--

JON STEWART: His name is not Doctor Calm, by the way.

No, definitely not.

He said to me at one point--

Boy--

--you have an ego problem.

And then we did a lot of work on the ego problem.

What was the ego problem?

Too much or too little, or both?

Hello!

What are you talking about?

And then-- - Too much.

- Yeah. - All right.

And he said, at one point-- which really stuck with me.

He goes, you know, this anger problem, ego problem,

back in the '50s, people that were

really successful in business were considered smart.

And for whatever reason, that statement hit me.

And I remember my parents coming into LA,

and I picked them up at the airport.

And we were talking about--

I had just taken over William Morris with Patrick and

everybody, and I was explaining the business to my dad, who was

asking me a question, my mom.

And they, in the back seat, they go--

well, who all does all that?

And I said, well, it's not my [bleep] Rahm

or my [bleep] brother Zeke. You know?

Hello!

And that was my life.

And not a horrible way, in a beautiful way.

And I then figured out, I'm not stupid

and I'm not afraid of being found out.

JON STEWART: But that's still sticking-- even if you're--

No, it doesn't stick with me.

--as your leading WME, you're still driven by this idea that

I'm not that dyslexic kid.

Well, if your mom and dad said that to you, like,

who does all this stuff on this show?

You would be like, well, you know--

You don't think that's what they--

of course.

[laughter]

So--

My brother went to Princeton, for [bleep] sake.

And so I realized that's just something in the past.

And I went on a journey trying to figure

out how to deal with that.

I did some psychedelics, even though my brother Zeke

says he would never do it, even though he realizes

that there's benefit to him.

And I it helped me get through, plus

being married to a wonderful woman, this little ego thing.

You feel like you've come to a different place.

Yeah.

And why does Rom still give you shit.

I think even at your wedding.

Yeah.

Like, he gave you shit at your wedding.

Yeah, that's just competition.

And listen, really, why I wrote the book,

I just want my mom to love me five seconds more than that--

[laughter, cheers, applause]

Did it work?

What'd she think?

Let me just tell you something.

My mom is still alive.

She's 93.

I'm doing an event in Chicago, and she's coming.

And I'm going to roll her on stage

because she's in a wheelchair.

She's still a monster, fantastic lady.

And I think I got five days more

of love than those two guys. JON STEWART: Really?

Yeah, I do. I do.

And that makes it all worth it.

Oh, [bleep] yeah!

You know what you could do to really screw Rom over?

What?

Oh, dear god, this would be hilarious.

You should run for president.

[laughter, applause]

You run for president, it would blow his mind.

Let me just say--

some of the interviews, is your brother running?

JON STEWART: They asked if you run,

Rom is running for president.

No, he's not!

He hasn't-- what are you talking about?

- OK. - So here's what I would say.

Here's what I'd say.

Here's what I say about my brother,

who I love my brothers dearly.

Thank God we're on different parts of the country.

One's in Washington, one's--

he worked in the Clinton administration,

Congress, unbelievable mayor, fought the teacher's

union on strike for nine days.

Then went into, I think, the tough

Obamacare for President Obama.

Got through the financial crisis in '08.

And he then went into a region where

he worked with all our allies to combat what

I think is China's aggression.

JON STEWART: Right.

If you're asking me if, not that he is running,

there's not one person more qualified

than my brother to do it. - Really?

And he would be an incredible president.

And I would be unbelievably proud of him.

[cheers, applause]

Oh, my god!

You're buying this?

Hold on one second.

Hold on one second.

He's an agent.

[laughter]

His whole job is-- that's how he got Tyler Perry

his own [bleep] studio.

There is not one actor I would trust more--

ARI EMANUEL: Than you.

--than Madea.

[laughter]

Fantastic.

But you know, it's so interesting to me

because when I read this book, I have to say,

I had a feeling for you that I hadn't had before.

There's a lot of this that feels like you don't enjoy it,

that there were moments-- you know,

you talk about your thyroid gave out

and you lost 20 pounds that you were squeezing it so hard

that it felt torturous to you to live it.

Is that how it felt going through it?

Did you enjoy it?

I've loved every minute.

For real?

People say, are you happy?

Because I asked the question, are you happy?

- In the book, are you happy? - I would say the following.

First of all, what the [bleep] is happy?

But second of all, I'm satisfied, I'm happy.

And as my mother taught us when we were growing up,

would you like to have a meaningful life or

a life of pleasure?

I would rather have a meaningful life because that

is a life of pleasure.

And I have had an incredible, meaningful life.

I've enjoyed all of it.

It has been brutal at times, but I have learned a ton.

You did something-- speaking of that meaningful life that

can be brutal at times, you went to-- you're being honored

at this Simon Wiesenthal Center, which is a huge Jewish

organization [inaudible].

In your speech, you stand up-- this is two years ago?

Yeah.

And you give a jeremiad against Bibi Netanyahu

and his treatment of Palestinians

and Israel's complicity in that.

Yeah.

To the point where people are booing you and walking out.

Yeah.

Huzzah.

Because that's not an easy thing to do.

[cheers, applause]

I give you a tremendous amount of credit.

That goes to my mom and my dad.

They took us down to protest civil rights movements

in Chicago, three little boys, her were walking

down there from the suburbs.

But you're like a real-- like, you're a Sabbath Jew.

You do the whole-- - Yeah.

Like, if I did that, people would be like, well, sure,

he has a bacon, egg, and cheese sandwich for Passover.

That's you in real life.

I'm willing to stand up for what

I believe in, what I think is right,

and what I think is not right.

When my brother was in the White House during the Obama

administration, Bibi Netanyahu in a meeting said,

"You're a self-hating Jew."

And I think my brother's speech in Israel,

where he talked about he's not making Jews in Israel safe,

those are things that are important to do.

And you have to stand up for yourself, have your voice,

have agency.

And those are the things my mom taught me.

Right. Well done.

I appreciate that.

What would you do as an agent--

I'll give you one.

This will be a nice little test.

Let's say you're an agent and you got a big music star.

And his opening act goes out--

[laughter]

--and says things that-- and you're the kind of music star

that's just out there like, I wear

dungarees with your picture on it, like that kind of shade.

[laughter]

How would you, as an agent-- and

then stadiums start to cancel.

And they say, you got to get rid of these guys.

If you're representing Ed Sheeran, what do you do?

We'll go through it.

I'll have you represent Macklemore,

I'll have you represent Ed Sheeran,

and I'll have you represent Bob Kraft.

I'll just do Macklemore for you.

Do the Macklemore for me.

So as I would say to you is the following.

I do not believe what is happening in the West Bank

is fair and right and just.

But if you're talking about-- and

I had this conversation with a client recently, and we can

all-- the great thing is, I'm OK to have a discussion,

disagree, and get better.

JON STEWART: Absolutely.

But I don't believe the word genocide is the proper word

for what happened in the West.

- You don't. - I do not.

So that would be your complaint about Macklemore.

I would have this conversation with him

where we can sit down as human beings.

I don't want to live in a country that is a cult

or in a kind of echo chamber.

I want to have a conversation with him--

Understand.

--where we can all sit there and say, OK,

here's the one argument, here's the other,

and let's get to a point where we can have a conversation.

But even if it's not the proper word--

Do I think what do I think it needed to go to the extent it

needed to go to?

Right.

That they would literally have a guy say,

you're not coming into my stadium

because that's dangerous.

That's my question.

Right.

Well, that's a conversation I would

have with Bob Kraft and those people about their opinions

about those things.

Who would you say--

This is a lot of gray, and--

JON STEWART: Who would you say [bleep] you to first?

I say [bleep] you to a lot of people first in the book.

I meant in this situation.

In this situation.

It's too delicate to say F you.

Would you have encouraged Bob Kraft

not to have canceled-- not to have

threatened to pull those guys?

Bob Kraft, I don't know if you know, he does, you know,

the blue square.

JON STEWART: I don't know what that means.

He has given a lot of money to a movement to stop hate.

How's that going?

Well, you know something, we need more of that.

We need more people talking about, let's not hate

each other, let's talk to each other.

Let's not talk about things that are really kind of,

I think--

let's all get on the same page about what we're discussing.

We can disagree, but let's not be disagreeable.

I think people have said that.

And Bob Kraft is doing an incredible job

with the blue square to try and combat hate.

And I don't like hate anywhere in the world.

And I don't like Jews committing hate

on West Bank, Palestinians.

I don't like any of it.

And I think there's a way to kind of-- we

have to keep on having this conversation.

JON STEWART: Do you believe what he said on stage was hate?

I don't think it was completely

understanding the facts.

And I think it was belittling to Jewish people too.

So if someone got on stage and said,

like, Happy Hanukkah or--

Well, as I said in the book, there

are certain people that have said things that I think

are hateful.

Right.

And I've written about Mel Gibson and Kanye

that I didn't think were right.

You know, it's so interesting because it is the people

in this book-- like, you're in with

very powerful people, and there are bodies,

and they are buried.

And like, you have relationships that are severed,

people that you came up with.

And it's been difficult.

Yeah.

And you write about Mel Gibson

and how upset you were and Kanye and all that.

But Elon escapes.

You know, he's still a very good friend of yours, but--

Yeah.

--he's very clearly--

I don't know if you get his Twitter feed,

but I can't stop it somehow.

Here's what I would say.

I think he's done incredible things for the human race

and continues to do great and unbelievable things.

And when--

JON STEWART: So you hold Macklemore

to the higher standard.

When I-- no, listen.

When I disagree with him--

Yeah.

When I disagree with him, he and I

have a conversation where we have

a very intense conversation and hopefully I have

moved him in this situation.

I would have the conversation.

JON STEWART: Do you still do that?

Like, can you call him up and go

like, hey, what's with the Rhodesia nostalgia pictures?

I text them all the time about stuff, yeah.

And he accepts that.

Oh, yeah.

We get into very good conversations about it.

And he did.

And I think that's a good thing.

Again, I do not want to live in a cult.

I want to live in a society.

In society, you have to talk.

You're a complicated individual.

Listen, but I enjoy you very much.

I enjoy talking to you.

And I very much enjoyed the book because--

Well, good.

My favorite part about the whole book--

just out of nowhere.

And this is random.

And this is very inside baseball,

but you [bleep] hate Jeffrey Katzenberg.

And that's like-- that's so funny to me.

Well, I mean, he--

we were a small agency.

JON STEWART: Yeah.

We get these seats right next to the Laker bench

in the heyday.

Phil Jackson--

This is the best.

--SHaq, Kobe we're winning.

We can't afford this.

And getting Lakers tickets is, for your business,

you look like a big guy. - We look enormous.

You're making deals. Yes.

Yes. - Billboard.

Yes.

He goes behind my back, I have a contract,

tries to steal them.

JON STEWART: You're Lakers tickets.

On Yom Kippur.

And I go, I'm going to sue you.

And I go-- then he doesn't give what we're starting out,

doesn't give us a package on a Jeffrey Lane show.

Then I--

A packages is, you get a percentage of the profits and

things like that and a fee that goes along

when you bring, like, the director and an actor and

a few other people.

And then there's some other things that he does.

And then I had a problem with--

he called me up and says, do you want to meet and

give money to President Biden?

I said, do you think I need you to help

me get to President Biden?

My brother was in the White House.

And then when things go south--

when things go south, and President President Biden,

it's going south for real.

And I'm going nuts.

Like, I said a year before, like--

Yeah, yeah. He's not--

This is not right.

JON STEWART: Yeah.

Raising the money, I can get you in a room.

I call him up, does nothing.

I'm like, what the [bleep] are we talking about here?

You know, like, if you say you can do

it one time, go deal with it.

But you said literally, you were on a date with your wife,

your present wife. And he was sitting next to you.

And you asked to move loudly while sitting next to him.

Yeah.

And that's it.

No.

Of all the people you run in the world

with, of all the Elon's and the Kanye and all the blue squares,

the one guy-- - No.

But no.

--that [bleep] you on tickets.

That guy is a guy who, from my perspective,

does stuff that it's only about himself.

All the stuff he talks about is about his own reflection.

And yeah, he definitely [bleep] me and I was

not going to put up with it.

MAN: Yeah, yeah!

Yeah!

[cheers, applause]

It's such a great story.

By the way, and it's all--

all of it is in here, the Laker story.

It's great.

And if you're in the business, it's great.

And if you're not--

Well, I'm definitely not--

I'm not saying here here's all the things that I did great.

JON STEWART: No, there's some stuff.

There's a lot of stupid shit I did in that book.

Yeah. Crazy.

- Yeah, it's crazy. - I love it.

Roll the Calls is available now.

Ari Emanuel, let's take a break.

Let me tell you something.

[CHEERING, APPLAUSE, UPBEAT MUSIC]

[cheering, applause]

That's our show for tonight.

But before we go, we're going to check in with your host

for the rest of the week.

Once again, Desi Lydic!

Desi!

[cheering, applause]

Desi, I do want to say, thank you

for painting yourself in gold for that very silly bit tonight

Yeah.

Well, I'm glad you liked it, Jon, because the gold community

is not happy with me.

Apparently, doing gold face is extremely

insensitive to their culture.

So I'd like to formally apologize to gold people

everywhere, especially my gold friends.

[laughter]

I didn't realize you had gold friends.

Oh, sure, Jon, all my best friends are gold.

My Emmy, my Little League participation trophy,

My Oscar I stole from Meryl.

I mean, sure, I talk to them, but now I'm listening.

Desi, I really think that paint might be toxic.

Well, Peabody told me you'd say something like that.

Desi Lydic, everybody.

Here it is, your moment of zen.

REPORTER: Let's see if we can pick up

some of the sound from President Trump

here in the new helipad.

OK, so there is no microphone because-- there's

no microphone because the pool cameras aren't there.

So maybe, Tim, this is one example of it

backfiring just a little bit.

MAN: Sorry.