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My name is Jared Jacobson,
and my father is Jerry Jerome Jacobson.
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Come here, boys. Come here.
Bailey, come here.
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I grew up in Miami. Once my mom got
divorced from him, he cut all ties.
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I was three years old
when they got divorced.
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So this is a picture of me as a baby
with my dad and my mom's dad.
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My mom called him and requested for
back child support when I was 13,
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and that's when he popped on the radar.
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That's when I really met him
for the first time.
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During the summer, I would go
fly up to Atlanta and spend
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three or four weeks up there with him,
getting to know him a little bit.
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I believe he was living with Alison.
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This is a picture of the wedding party
when my dad and Linda got married.
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That's my mom in the picture
with me and him.
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I think it's one of the only pictures
I had with the three of us together.
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My mom is Carol Cody.
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Do you remember if she was
the first wife? Second wife?
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I was his third marriage.
Really, I was his fourth.
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Out of I think we counted seven.
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Wait a minute. Phyllis, Carol,
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Daryl, me,
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Alison, and Linda.
He's been married six times.
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If he was married with that marriage
license down in Miami, it's seven.
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The first time I got the text about
the possibility of a documentary series
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within two minutes,
I got a phone call saying,
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"Hey, if anybody calls or talks to you
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or wants to talk about this thing,
don't do it."
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I'm not gonna call him and ask
permission to do this with you, guys.
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I think this is my way of...
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Having maybe a little bit of closure.
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This is definitely gonna put the nail
in the coffin for our relationship.
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And you know what?
I'm okay with it.
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MCMILLIONS
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I tried to keep my mouth shut
but it didn't work.
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I knew that I had to do something.
She was gonna run with the money.
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So, the FBI said you threatened
to kill her.
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- Did you talk to your wife about it?
- No. I didn't threaten to kill her.
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I just told my wife,
"We can't do this in the airport."
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I meant we can't confront her
in the airport.
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I didn't mean anything other than
we cannot confront her in the airport.
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Turned out to be a misunderstanding,
but you still have to run it out
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to make sure.
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The long and short of it is
it wasn't a valid threat.
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Right after that, my wife took her
sister to the bank to cash the check
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and was attached at the hips
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with her until she did the right thing
with the money. Yeah.
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So after that airport drama we started
to focus on Dwight even more.
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So were up on these wiretaps.
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And Rick and I hear something's
happening with Uncle Jerry.
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A phone call was intercepted between
Jacobson and Dwight Baker.
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The conversation was that
Jacobson and Dwight
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were going to meet
for the exchange of a winning piece.
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That exchange was going to happen
somewhere in Georgia.
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They say on the phone, "I'll be there
in an hour and fifteen minutes,"
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or something like that.
We had that window.
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They didn't name the place where they
were gonna meet but they gave hints.
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The usual place.
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- You mean along the highway?
- Yeah. Along the highway.
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So we hurried up, we got on the maps,
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and we figured out that it was
somewhere along 85 near Atlanta.
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We had a certain area, but we didn't
know. We thought but we weren't sure.
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So I got on the phone with Atlanta
to tell them,
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"Hey, this is what's coming up."
So they were cued up and ready.
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They mobilized quick.
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They had to get there and get visual.
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Then we had air support, surveillance
group down in their cars.
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We're looking at rest areas, places
on the side of the road, everywhere.
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It was on.
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I remember looking at this golf resort
north of Atlanta.
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It's got to be this place. Seems to be
about halfway. It's got to be.
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Where would you guys meet?
Would you go to his house?
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We met at his house one time,
Chateau Elan,
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a winery between here and there.
It's halfway.
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FBI surveillance
Chateau Elan
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Sometimes we'd eat, or we'd sat in the
car and trade and trade money.
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Yeah.
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We had an FBI pilot up in the air,
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and could see Mr. Jacobson handing
Mr. Baker something in a folder.
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And there it was.
And off they go.
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The video evidence speaks volumes
of the illegal acts they were doing.
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It's pretty short but sweet.
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We got you now.
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It was about the end of the summer,
and the game is ending.
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We weren't gonna have another game.
We already have identified Jerry.
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We had identified Mr. Baker in fair
play. We had identified Mr. Glomb.
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We had identified and videoed
Mr. Hoover.
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And we had several others.
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Devereaux is good. He's laying out
the indictment, the arrest warrants.
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We're gonna take this through
the grand jury, get the true bills
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which is the indictment, and we're
gonna go out and effect these arrests.
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In this case, the charges were
conspiracy and mail fraud.
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If you use the United States mail
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in furtherance of a scheme and artifice
to defraud,
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that's penalized by up to 20 years
in prison.
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The initial stage was the indictment of
the first eight.
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So the first thing that was gonna make
the news, and alert all the winners
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that, "Hey, the gig is over,"
was the end of August, August 21st.
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Everybody was spread
across the country,
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and so we ended up having to request
the assistance of numerous offices
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spread entirely
across the United States.
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You have to provide those agents
enough information to make arrests.
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So in anticipation of the takedown,
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we had prepared a very, very lengthy
communication.
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So it's our whole plan. It's
the background of the investigation.
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This communication was probably
20 or 30 pages long.
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Very, very specific, in-depth.
Puts you right there. Everything.
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We faxed it. And I'm not going to say
who did it. I'll say I didn't, but
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there may have been somebody I know
closely that did it that would deny it.
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Doesn't matter who it was, but...
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On the speed dial,
which I never use speed dial...
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The agents sending that plan thought
the speed dial and faxed Greenville FBI
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when in fact it said
The Greenville News.
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It ended up being probably the worst
person in the world, a news agency.
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This is a big issue now, right?
Like all the stuff's out there.
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Now, you got people that might be
waiting on agents to come arrest them.
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It's bad, bad, bad.
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Rick Dent's big head was sweating bad.
Devereaux was sweating it.
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Chris Graham was losing weight
over that.
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I remember being really, really angry
about it.
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How in the world, you know?
How could this happen?
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Now it's, "How do we fix it? How do we
keep them from going with the story?"
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After all this work,
this could really screw things up.
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My name is John Boyanoski.
In 2001,
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I was a reporter
for The Greenville News.
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I've been there six or seven months.
I was the crime and court's reporter.
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So anything bad happened,
anything that had
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an official-looking document that came
across the fax, would come to my desk.
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I came down Monday morning, and there
was a stapled thing on my chair.
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And I picked it up and I saw FBI on it.
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Three paragraphs in, I'm thinking,
"This doesn't sound right."
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This is an open investigation. You're
talking about surveillance in here.
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I thought, "It's the background, no,
they're..." I started flipping through,
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and it's all surveillance stuff
and background information.
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"I don't think this is supposed to be
going to Boyanoski and The Greenville."
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I remember I turned around my chair
and I got my boss. I'm like, "Dave,
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did you look at this? Where did this
come from?" I looked at him like,
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"Dave, I think we have
an open FBI investigation."
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He's like, "What?" When he start
looking at it, his eyes go like this.
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I'm 24 years old.
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I'm trying to make a name for myself,
and I wanna write a story. I'm like,
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"Yeah," you know? Exclusive.
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McDonald's investigation.
FBI are looking into a big fraud case.
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So Mark Devereaux's first response was
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just jump in the bureau plane
and slide down to South Carolina.
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Each office surveillance squad has
usually a Cessna 160 or something.
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If you're ever in a Volkswagen bug
in the early '70s,
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it's like a lawnmower in the sky.
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I'm looking at that going, "No way in
hell I wanna be a part of that again."
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Devereaux being in that controlled-ass
environment with him and a Tide bottle,
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that's the only way you got to pee,
can you imagine that?
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That's an awful situation to be in.
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Literally, we get in a plane, fly from
Jacksonville to South Carolina
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to do our best to ensure that
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faux pas didn't cause
a significant embarrassment.
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That plane sucked.
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I can tell you, at that point in time,
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that news agency had no requirement
to keep it quiet.
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We did beg, plead asking them
if they would be kind enough
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basically to keep that to themselves.
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There was a little bit of,
"What are we gonna get for it?"
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Can't say we bribed them, but I will
say that we gave them an opportunity
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to be able to take a photograph
possibly
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following the arrest
in connection with the investigation.
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Their thing was, "If you could just
give us the exclusive."
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It was something, at least,
to sweeten the deal
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and thank them for covering up the
mistake that Special Agent Mathews,
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I didn't say that, may have made.
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So I wanna say, now that I'm saying it
and remembering all this,
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it was not me that faxed that freaking
thing over. It was somebody else.
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I can promise you
every time I'd use a fax machine,
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I check it not once, not twice,
but at least three times.
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If anybody ever knew how close this was
just to blowing up,
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I know that those subjects
who may see this, would go,
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"Damn it. How did that not happen?"
Too bad, right? It didn't.
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We were the good guys. It always works
better for the good guys.
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We always find a way. Which is what
I'm saying happened there.
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The night before
Attorney General Ashcroft
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gave us the go-ahead
to take the action.
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Day of the takedown,
it's a very early morning.
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5:00 in the morning, you're getting up
and making sure everybody's ready.
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Regardless of whether you believe
that person is violent or not,
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you still have to be very careful
as to your tactical approach
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anytime that you engage in the arrest
of an individual because
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you're taking away their liberties
and they pretty much know that.
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The arrests were scheduled to
all go down at the same time
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so that there won't be conversation.
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And Jacksonville sent agents
to each location,
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so that somebody that's familiar
with the case will be able to be there
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to help with the arrest.
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My role that day, as the supervisor
on the squad in the command post
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was really kind of coordinating. And if
there was problems out in the field,
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any decision about how to handle it
is gonna come through me.
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I was in charge of the arrest
of Brenda Phenis in Indiana.
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I had to take down Dwight Baker.
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My duty on takedown day
was Gloria Brown here at Jacksonville.
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I sit in the FBI's office, we can hear
them, "We're making the move now."
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It sounded like a mid-90s
Michael Bay kind of thing.
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You're hearing, "Go, go, go."
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So I got Glomb.
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By far the nastier,
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more potential danger
of anybody else.
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And then, you know me, it's always
a contest with no matter what.
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So I'm gonna get my guy
before anybody else.
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My guy, Glomb, was behind a fortress.
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A legitimate, big-time cameras
everywhere, big gates.
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Chances are he won't open the gate.
At the same time, I wanna be first.
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So we had to find a way to get Glomb
to come out.
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The thing we came up with was
he has to come out and get his paper.
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So that gate opens up, who do you think
walks out and gets the paper?
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The wife, right? Not him.
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So I'm going, "Oh, God. I'm gonna ram
this car through the front gate."
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I have got ready, just getting ready
to leave the house, and
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I see somebody walking by the kitchen
window. I look out the door, see FBI.
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They haven't knocked on the door yet.
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So I ran upstairs, tell my wife,
I said, "The FBI is out front."
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So when they knocked on the door,
it was Astralaga.
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We show him the arrest warrant.
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We gained access to the property
and he is taken into custody.
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In the command post, we kept hearing,
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"So and so has been arrested. So and so
confessed. Can't find this person.
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So and so is arrested.
They're denying everything."
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And so Rick Dent went to Atlanta
to get Uncle Jerry.
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Jerry Jacobson.
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The arrest of Jerry was
in early morning in his house.
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Knock, knock, knock.
"The FBI. Open up."
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I remember Jerry initially,
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doing what you would expect a former
police officer to do was clam up.
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You know, he realized
his goose was cooked, so to speak.
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Eventually he received his jewelry,
silver handcuffs.
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At Jerry Jacobson's arrest, he had some
Honda sports car thing
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that he was riding around in
that we seized.
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And just cash in a trash bag, in the
trunk of his car. Who does that shit?
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Who carries that crap around?
Really?
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My first interaction with Jerry
Jacobson was at the federal courthouse
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in Atlanta.
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And I was in Atlanta because Jerry
Jacobson was the head of the snake,
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and I wanted to personally advise him
of the charges against him.
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Sources say that the FBI will announce
that it has made arrests
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in an alleged scheme to defraud
the McDonald's Corporation
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by rigging its recent Monopoly game.
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Now, the FBI would only say that it has
scheduled a news conference
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for 2:15 this afternoon
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but sources tell CNN seven of the eight
people are in custody.
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Sources say the eighth was indicted,
not arrested yet. Still being sought.
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I lay it out, "I'm gonna be the first."
I was the last.
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The last one to get their guy.
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So we needed to draw Glomb out.
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And then I came up with
what I thought was a great idea.
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Broward County Sheriff
comes to the gate and says,
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"Do you guys mind coming down here
and identifying these guys?
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They were robbing a house here,
and I want you to identify them."
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I said, "I don't care."
They had bothered me.
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He said
it'll only take a couple of minutes.
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I say okay. And then I went outside.
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And, of course, they grabbed me
outside, and he says,
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"You're under arrest for mail fraud."
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I said, "Mail fraud? What's that?"
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He says, "On the McDonald's."
I said, "Oh, okay."
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Didn't have a clue that they were on
to this case. Nothing.
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He didn't say nothing else. I say,
"Can I get you a cup of coffee?"
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Mathews was one of the original people
who arrested me.
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Had some snippets of the phone calls
to let him know we had what we had.
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He decided not to cooperate.
One of the very few.
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I remember we were arguing in the car.
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He said, "You think you're some
gangster or something?"
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I said, "Yeah.
And you think you're Don Johnson?"
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You know, from Miami Vice.
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At the end, he was okay. In the front,
he was a little bit of an asshole.
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- You did offer him a cup of coffee.
- I did. I'm that way.
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I'm very friendly.
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It wasn't just the takedown,
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there were a number of people on
the initial indictment that we charged.
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On top of that,
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I needed to have agents going out to
interview all these other winners.
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What we didn't wanna happen
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was somebody who is a "winner"
to be sitting at home
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and see this takedown, and then have
two or three weeks to think about it.
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Think about what they're gonna say.
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Or worse yet, hop on a plane
and move to South America.
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If you played the popular
McDonald's Monopoly game
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and thought you'd never win
the top price, you may have been right.
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In Washington, the Attorney General
and FBI announced eight people
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were arrested for defrauding
McDonald's and its customers.
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My work said to me,
"The FBI's looking for you."
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I'm like, "What?
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Shit. This is the FBI."
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My friends were from Louisiana,
from the swamp, they go,
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"We wanna hide you out in the bayou."
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But then they were like, "You can never
contact anybody anymore."
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Just like in TV script.
You can't talk to anybody.
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"Oh, hell no. I can't do that."
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And, finally, they caught up with me.
They finally found me at home.
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They were very nice to me, they were
just straight to the point,
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and they got what they wanted
to hear from me.
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I decided I was gonna be the one to
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go down the street
and interview Buddy Fisher.
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He was a little surprised,
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but didn't try to tell us anything
other than what really happened.
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Nice guy.
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So through the course of the interview
I had with Dwight Baker,
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he implicated George Chandler,
his foster son in the scheme.
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At that point, we made a determination
to reach out to George Chandler
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and talk to him
about his involvement.
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I was on I-20 and my cell phone rang.
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My secretary came on the phone
and said,
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"George, there's two guys
in the office here
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from the FBI
who would like to speak to you."
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"Put them on the phone."
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Who don't wanna talk to the FBI?
So this guy
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comes on the phone, and his name is
Special Agent Astralaga.
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And he said,
"Mr. Chandler,
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we've arrested this morning
Dwight and Linda Baker
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for their involvement in the McDonald's
Monopoly games scam,
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and we would like to speak to you
about your involvement."
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And the first thing out of my mouth
was,
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"If you've arrested Dwight and Linda
Baker, you've got the wrong people."
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For some reason, I was home that day,
and
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my sister called me.
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I picked up the phone, called her and
said, "Are you watching television?"
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She said no.
And I said, "Well, turn it on."
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William Fisher and Gloria Brown
both live in Jacksonville.
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Prosecutors say the plot was...
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And there was my name on the screen,
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Gloria Brown indicted.
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I just folded up
in the kitchen by myself.
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Again, there I was alone.
I'm like, "Okay."
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Before I can get to even listen to what
was on the television about me,
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my doorbell rang.
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Opened the door,
and there was this detective there.
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I'm like, "Oh, my God."
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She was denying being involved
in anything.
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I sped up to the fact of, "We're not
talking about what you did or not.
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We're just talking about how much time
in prison you're gonna serve.
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You might wanna go ahead
and start cooperating now."
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And I had decided this time the lie's
gonna be over and I just told them.
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There was no need for me
to lie anymore.
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00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,770
She basically told us what we needed to
know, and we already knew again,
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because we knew the scheme, the
recruiting formula, how it happened.
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I saw her shoulders sink a little bit.
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I'm saying to myself,
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"Do I need a lawyer first?"
That's the kind of stuff.
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"Am I doing the right thing?"
I just didn't know what to do.
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I never thought about
what to do once I got caught.
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And I was not sure if they was gonna
take me with them.
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I was waiting on a police car
to pull up out front.
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When they walked to the door
I walked to the door with them.
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When they say that,
"We'll be getting back with you,"
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I was so happy right in that moment.
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I said, "At least that way I get a
chance to make some arrangements."
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The deal was if they didn't cooperate,
we're gonna arrest,
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if they did cooperate, we're gonna take
their statement
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and then go ahead and document it,
and they refer to the case agent
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who would then take it
to the federal prosecutor.
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I was almost done with my prison time
for doing the fraud that I did.
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And I see there's two tall gentlemen
in seats.
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They said, "We're here
for the McDonald's Monopoly,"
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and they had this poster laid out.
And Uncle Jerry was the middle bubble.
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They had all these bubbles all around.
And then they had this-sized bubbles.
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And I was that-sized bubble
connected to him.
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And it was,
"Jerry Colombo, deceased."
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There's my picture,
"Robin Colombo, incarcerated."
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And I'm looking over it and I go,
"Hmm, okay."
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00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,590
I said, "Tell you what, give me your
card and if I can think of anything,
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I will get in touch with you,
how about that?"
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00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,810
And they said, "No, that's not
how that works, Mrs. Colombo."
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00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:47,520
I said, "That's how this is gonna work
right now."
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00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,440
I said, "Let me tell you something,
I have a little boy out there
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00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,570
and a daughter, and you don't know
who you're messing with,
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00:29:56,650 --> 00:30:00,280
and I'm not gonna put their lives
in jeopardy."
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00:30:00,370 --> 00:30:04,160
I got the card. They go to leave.
And I'm going to leave.
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00:30:04,330 --> 00:30:08,210
I'm thinking, "Okay." I'm going back
down to the girl's part, right?
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00:30:08,290 --> 00:30:11,250
Well, here come the officers
from the prison.
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They go, "Colombo, come back up here."
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00:30:14,250 --> 00:30:18,680
They went to shackle me and I'm like,
"Wait, what are you doing?" They said,
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00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,930
"Your custody level has changed now
because you're under investigation."
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00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:28,230
I said, "No, I'm not."
I said, "So, whatever this is all?"
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00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:31,310
They said, "Yeah." I said, "Hold this,"
"No, Mrs. Colombo." I said,
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00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,230
"Leave me alone, I'm calling the Feds."
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00:30:36,650 --> 00:30:42,070
I ran to the double doors
and I kicked the double door open.
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00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,030
I said, "Hey, come here."
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00:30:45,490 --> 00:30:48,000
They said, "Oh, you wanna talk?"
I said, "Yeah." "Come on, come on."
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00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,830
"Hey, Mike, can I have some coffee?
Can we have coffee?
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00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,290
I think they want coffee."
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00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,300
I said, "You really know
more than I do, honestly."
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00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:02,010
And of course, they're like,
"Well, why don't you humor us?"
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00:31:02,090 --> 00:31:05,180
I said, "Well, let's do this,
I need a cigarette,
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00:31:05,260 --> 00:31:08,060
so let's take a cigarette right now,
let's take them out of here.
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00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:12,770
"You really got to smoke that?" "I
really do. You got my nerves racked."
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00:31:12,850 --> 00:31:16,440
As a matter of fact, I need one now,
talking about it.
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00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,110
"You really should quit those things,"
I said, "Yeah, today's not the day."
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00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,820
6:00 came and they took me in
where the TV room was.
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00:31:24,910 --> 00:31:31,790
John Ashcroft came on television
and my knees got weak and whatever.
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00:31:31,870 --> 00:31:36,710
This morning the agents of the Federal
Bureau of Investigation arrested
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00:31:36,790 --> 00:31:39,630
eight individuals in several states
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00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:42,550
for their involvement
in a nationwide scheme
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00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:47,140
to defraud McDonald's Corporation
and its customers,
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00:31:47,220 --> 00:31:52,770
by fraudulently manipulating
McDonald's promotional prize contests.
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00:31:55,230 --> 00:31:58,440
We want those involved in this type
of corruption to know
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00:31:58,610 --> 00:32:03,400
that breaking the law is not a game.
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00:32:03,490 --> 00:32:08,330
That day everything went really,
literally, according to plan.
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00:32:08,490 --> 00:32:14,210
It made for a very fun interesting day
and one I'll never forget.
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00:32:14,290 --> 00:32:17,880
I wanna commend the fine work of the
FBI and the Jacksonville division
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00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,550
of the United States Attorney's Office
for the Middle District of Florida.
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00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:27,930
Everyone involved in this investigation
worked hard to break this conspiracy.
404
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:31,520
How do we miss this? There are seven
winners in the 864 area code
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00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,810
the last four years, how do never put
two and two together ourselves
406
00:32:34,890 --> 00:32:37,650
if they kept coming
from the same darn area?
407
00:32:37,810 --> 00:32:40,320
And we've done stories, big stories
on two or three other winners,
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00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,900
the million-dollar winners, too,
and we had never put it together.
409
00:32:43,070 --> 00:32:45,530
That's one of things where there's
a kick on ourselves and for journalism.
410
00:32:45,610 --> 00:32:49,410
"We never put that one together."
There's a bit of egg on our face.
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00:32:49,580 --> 00:32:52,080
Well, this story is going to make
a lot of people angry.
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00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:54,540
Prosecutors say it appears
McDonald's customers
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00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:57,670
never really had a chance to win
the biggest prizes.
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00:32:57,830 --> 00:33:01,420
Frankly the odds of your winning that
million-dollar jackpot in McDonald's
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00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:02,960
weren't that good to begin with.
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00:33:03,050 --> 00:33:06,090
The FBI said the odds were really about
one in zero.
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00:33:06,260 --> 00:33:08,180
They need to serve time for that,
definitely.
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00:33:08,260 --> 00:33:12,220
Many of the winners were from the same
family or were closely related.
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00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:15,390
At the center of the fraud ring
prosecutors say Jerome Jacobson
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assigned to place the winning
big cash game pieces into circulation.
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00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,440
Instead the FBI says he stole them.
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00:33:21,610 --> 00:33:23,990
Passing winning game pieces
to his friends,
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00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:28,030
who then recruited others to come
forward and claim the big prizes.
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00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,200
Jacobson was given a Go to Jail card
for keeping the winning tickets.
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00:33:32,370 --> 00:33:33,950
And since the FBI today,
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00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,830
they had a confidential informant
who tipped them off at first.
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00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,920
Someone who had knowledge
of the scheme.
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00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,590
McDonald's was devastated
by the news,
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00:33:41,670 --> 00:33:46,340
while a stunned spokesperson for Parker
Brothers had only this reaction.
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00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:55,930
We want you to have the opportunity
to see who Mr. Jacobs is.
431
00:33:56,020 --> 00:33:59,770
He's 58 years old and he's married
and has a family.
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00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,990
He knows the seriousness
of these charges
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00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:09,450
and he also knows that he faces
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00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:16,200
very serious potential punishment in
prison if convicted of these charges.
435
00:34:16,290 --> 00:34:20,580
We know many of you have attempted to
contact him,
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00:34:20,670 --> 00:34:26,300
his wife, and his family,
and have been in his neighborhood.
437
00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:28,550
We are asking you
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00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:34,680
to allow there
to be some privacy for his family
439
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,560
and for his neighbors.
440
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,810
Jerry Jacobson had retained council
fairly quickly,
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00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:45,900
an attorney by the name of Ed Garland.
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00:34:46,070 --> 00:34:51,450
And so my involvement was then
talking to the attorney.
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00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:54,660
Once he has retained council,
I have instructed him
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00:34:54,740 --> 00:34:59,210
that I should analyze the case before
he speaks further with the government.
445
00:34:59,290 --> 00:35:01,420
Are you gonna share your motto?
446
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:06,670
We follow the motto, "A fish wouldn't
get caught if he kept his mouth shut."
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00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:11,760
That's what a defendant needs to know.
Stop the music,
448
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,010
stand behind us, we do the fighting
and the talking for you.
449
00:35:16,180 --> 00:35:19,600
We're saying that you have a rogue
employee that embezzles a piece,
450
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,190
steals it, bottom line.
451
00:35:21,350 --> 00:35:24,940
It was pretty clear that
Mark was coming full force.
452
00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:28,610
The first conversation was
plead straight up to the indictment
453
00:35:28,690 --> 00:35:32,820
and bring every penny you have
and your wife has.
454
00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:36,870
The threats of "I will take everything
down to her engagement ring."
455
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:43,540
Mark is a very effective lawyer,
a very talented lawyer
456
00:35:43,710 --> 00:35:48,710
and uses his power
in a very assertive way
457
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,630
on behalf of his client,
the United States.
458
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:57,640
Ed and I had many cases together
and he's a very experienced attorney.
459
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:03,770
But I've told him that the chances
for Mr. Jacobson to go to trial
460
00:36:03,850 --> 00:36:08,110
and come out without a conviction
was zero.
461
00:36:08,190 --> 00:36:11,650
When you deal with a lawyer like that
you've got let him know
462
00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:16,570
you're unintimidated
and unintimidatable.
463
00:36:16,740 --> 00:36:21,910
So it became tense and confrontational
immediately.
464
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,710
Mr. Jacobs will not be making
any statements about this case
465
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:30,460
until he appears in court.
466
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:35,340
That was a very interesting day.
I turn on CNN headline news,
467
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:37,890
boom, picture of my dad.
468
00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:41,600
And it was like,
"Wow."
469
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,100
In the back of my mind, I was like,
"I knew it.
470
00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:48,810
Mom and I always knew there was
something wrong and here it is.
471
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:52,230
Right here in front of us now,
right here on TV."
472
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,950
It's not a surprise. He was good at
manipulating people, he was good at it.
473
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,330
But that's my dad.
474
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:09,590
I guess I was always questioning
the legitimacy of everything.
475
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:13,130
There was always something new,
it was always trips, and it was always
476
00:37:13,210 --> 00:37:16,430
spending things extravagantly
it seemed like to me.
477
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,010
My mom and I always joked that
478
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:24,230
we always thought there was something
not right about him.
479
00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:32,780
I knew he kept secrets from me. Ask me
no questions, I'll tell you no lies.
480
00:37:32,860 --> 00:37:35,280
And that's how I dealt with him.
481
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,070
If I didn't ask him any questions,
he didn't have to lie to me.
482
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:45,450
For instance,
he said that he had this swampland.
483
00:37:46,330 --> 00:37:49,380
He might go out and buy me something
and I would say, "Jerry,
484
00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:54,710
that's a lot of money." He would go,
"I sold a piece of swampland."
485
00:37:57,010 --> 00:38:03,180
Jerry was always trying to figure the
easy way. How do you get a free lunch?
486
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:08,730
The moral of the story is
there are no free lunches.
487
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,940
But there may be some brownies
hidden somewhere.
488
00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:18,740
Does that make any sense?
489
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:30,620
Mr. Jacobson was not helping us,
and so the question was still ongoing.
490
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:37,130
How did he get the game pieces?
We know he did, but how did he do it?
491
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,430
We didn't know if Dittler Brothers
was involved.
492
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,760
There was no details to anything.
493
00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:49,310
We don't know if it's just Jerry, we
don't know if it's everybody in there.
494
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:56,480
I was furious Jerry did what he did,
he put all of those people at risk.
495
00:38:59,450 --> 00:39:03,370
And we took a trip
and actually went to Dittler Brothers
496
00:39:03,450 --> 00:39:06,160
because there might be
somebody there inside.
497
00:39:06,330 --> 00:39:09,160
When the FBI came in
and shut everything down
498
00:39:09,250 --> 00:39:13,710
and started gathering their evidence...
Somebody came by and said,
499
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:17,460
"The FBI's here. You got to make sure
that you don't go anywhere near there."
500
00:39:21,630 --> 00:39:23,260
Somebody's in trouble.
501
00:39:23,340 --> 00:39:29,560
Somebody's in trouble, but what effect
this is gonna have? Don't know.
502
00:39:32,140 --> 00:39:35,400
Well, Roger, first let me underscore
the fact that Jerome Jacobson
503
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,990
was not a McDonald's employee. He was
in fact an employee of Simon Marketing,
504
00:39:40,070 --> 00:39:43,700
which was the firm that McDonald's
had contracted to administer its games.
505
00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:47,700
McDonald's says tonight it's fired the
Georgia company that ran the contests
506
00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:49,540
and now the FBI is investigating
507
00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:52,660
how many other instant winners
weren't so instant after all.
508
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,630
The deception by Simon Marketing
was unacceptable.
509
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,840
We really trusted them
to run the game for us.
510
00:40:03,010 --> 00:40:08,560
We had to end the relationship to gain
the trust back with our customers.
511
00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:14,730
Pretty much, I had to say McDonald's
was 98% of our business.
512
00:40:21,070 --> 00:40:26,620
The FBI showed up one day
at the front door and shut us down.
513
00:40:29,620 --> 00:40:32,580
When the information came out,
their stock went from
514
00:40:32,660 --> 00:40:36,380
approximately a hundred dollars
to basically fifty cents.
515
00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:39,920
God, these are bad.
516
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,470
It was the largest one day drop
on the American Stock Exchange.
517
00:40:46,930 --> 00:40:51,600
Ensuring that these games are secure,
that is how they make their living.
518
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,270
Two days after McDonald's fired Simon
Marketing from all future promotions,
519
00:40:55,350 --> 00:40:58,190
a second major company
has also pulled the plug.
520
00:40:58,270 --> 00:41:02,320
A couple of days later, Kraft came out
and cancelled their contract.
521
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,490
There's nothing left.
522
00:41:06,610 --> 00:41:10,780
So in effect, the Chicago, LA, Atlanta
offices here in the States,
523
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:15,040
we had an office in London, Paris,
Hong Kong
524
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:20,130
and several manufacturing facilities
in China.
525
00:41:20,290 --> 00:41:23,550
The people at Simon Marketing were
good people, they were professional,
526
00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:27,180
we really loved working with them.
So, it was devastating
527
00:41:27,260 --> 00:41:31,140
when one bad apple
wrecked the lives of so many people.
528
00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:34,020
They're gone, man, they're gone.
529
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,650
We spent one night in jail.
530
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:47,950
For my bail, they asked for
a million dollars. The judge said,
531
00:41:48,110 --> 00:41:52,030
"For this, you want
a million dollars?" He said 200,000.
532
00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:58,290
The Lord blessed me
in the past situation.
533
00:41:58,370 --> 00:42:01,210
I had three lots that
were free and clear.
534
00:42:03,130 --> 00:42:06,260
The tax value was exactly two hundred
thousand of those three lots.
535
00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:09,220
So, that was just a miracle.
536
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:12,890
These three lots here,
the lake is over on this side
537
00:42:12,970 --> 00:42:16,100
but these three lots here are the three
lots that I put up as collateral
538
00:42:16,180 --> 00:42:18,270
for my property bond.
539
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:28,400
I understood at that time something
was amiss with Dwight's story.
540
00:42:28,570 --> 00:42:32,070
And I immediately called Dwight, and
541
00:42:33,580 --> 00:42:38,620
I remember being incredulous with him.
542
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,210
Who was the guy that was going through
the divorce,
543
00:42:43,290 --> 00:42:46,300
where did you get his ticket?
What's going on?
544
00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:49,510
He said, "George,
I can't talk about it right now.
545
00:42:49,590 --> 00:42:51,720
Don't worry, you don't have anything
to worry about.
546
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,350
You didn't do anything wrong.
It was me."
547
00:42:57,810 --> 00:43:01,810
And I wasn't gravely concerned
about it.
548
00:43:03,940 --> 00:43:07,860
The thing that surprised me is
they gave me bond.
549
00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:10,570
They never should have gave me bond.
550
00:43:11,570 --> 00:43:16,990
I'm telling you, I was a fugitive back
in the '80s. So, I was a mistake.
551
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:23,920
I'm home about two days, there's
two guys at the gate with suits on.
552
00:43:25,340 --> 00:43:31,840
I said, "They came back for me.
That's the marshals coming to get me."
553
00:43:36,260 --> 00:43:38,850
Here's Jehovah Witnesses.
554
00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:46,820
I was never so happy to talk to
a Jehovah Witness in my life.
555
00:43:48,570 --> 00:43:53,820
I was in my maternity shop
in Coral Gables. We have a TV there.
556
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:58,790
And they broke in the news that the
McDonald's thing had just been busted.
557
00:43:58,950 --> 00:44:02,500
I was fucking floored, fucking floored.
558
00:44:02,580 --> 00:44:06,290
Two seconds later two FBI agents
walked in my store,
559
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:08,750
Doug Mathews and Rick Dent,
560
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,090
and they said they'd like to talk to me
about the McDonald's case.
561
00:44:12,260 --> 00:44:15,510
I knew I was fucked.
562
00:44:15,590 --> 00:44:17,640
I knew I was fucked.
563
00:44:19,060 --> 00:44:21,890
I'll be honest with you, I don't know
if Jerry turned me in or not.
564
00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:27,230
Right after it happened
I flew to Atlanta, Georgia, I said,
565
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,520
"Jerry,
how the fuck could you do this?"
566
00:44:29,610 --> 00:44:31,990
And he says, "How the fuck,
I thought we were done."
567
00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:37,070
I was really pissed because
I had thought that night we were done.
568
00:44:44,660 --> 00:44:51,300
I had hired a local attorney to go with
me to the meeting with the FBI.
569
00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:57,640
And he called me and said,
"George, you've been indicted."
570
00:45:01,260 --> 00:45:02,930
I was in shock.
571
00:45:06,940 --> 00:45:11,480
You don't know how to react because
you're charged with a federal crime.
572
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:17,780
My name appears
in a text of major newspapers
573
00:45:17,860 --> 00:45:21,660
and on major television stations
all across the nation.
574
00:45:21,740 --> 00:45:25,580
Friends are calling me,
family's calling me,
575
00:45:25,660 --> 00:45:29,580
business acquaintances are calling me,
customers are calling me,
576
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:32,000
employees are calling me.
577
00:45:33,590 --> 00:45:35,130
I didn't know what to tell him.
578
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:44,020
I didn't know what to tell my son
who's eight years old at the time.
579
00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:49,520
Every kid in the school has a question
for our son,
580
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,440
and I don't know how to help him.
581
00:45:53,530 --> 00:45:57,150
It was... devastating.
582
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,410
George was...
583
00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:07,710
very angry, upset, hurt.
584
00:46:08,830 --> 00:46:11,040
But I tried to explain to him
585
00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:17,720
that I did everything in my power
to protect him from this.
586
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,360
At some point in time, though,
and it was in fairly short order
587
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,950
you snap out, I snapped out of it
and I took action.
588
00:46:39,110 --> 00:46:43,450
I went down to Jacksonville
and started making phone calls
589
00:46:43,530 --> 00:46:48,410
looking for what I termed
the best criminal lawyer in town.
590
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,670
I'm Curtis Scott Fallgatter,
I'm an attorney.
591
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,930
I've been an attorney
for about 40 years.
592
00:47:02,010 --> 00:47:05,470
I was a federal prosecutor here in town
for 17 years
593
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,680
and I've been on private practice for
20 years. I was blessed to have been
594
00:47:08,770 --> 00:47:11,600
selected one of the top criminal
defense attorneys in Northeast Florida
595
00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:14,020
or the last couple of decades.
596
00:47:14,190 --> 00:47:18,740
In 2001 I met George Chandler,
he was 29 years old.
597
00:47:18,820 --> 00:47:22,110
Ninth grade education,
but he's a brilliant young man.
598
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,370
I was very impressed with his candor
599
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:28,950
and he explained how he had been
hoodwinked by his foster father,
600
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,960
which of course demonstrates
his innocence.
601
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,170
I thought, "Well, we can probably make
this case go away pretty easily."
602
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:38,130
So I picked up the phone
and called Mr. Devereaux.
603
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,430
Mr. Fallgatter interviewed me
in January of 1989
604
00:47:43,590 --> 00:47:45,680
when I got hired in this office.
605
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,640
He's been to my house many times,
I've been to his house many times.
606
00:47:49,810 --> 00:47:55,230
At one point in time we were
very sociable. Not so much anymore.
607
00:47:56,270 --> 00:47:58,650
I'd explained to him how George
had been hoodwinked,
608
00:47:58,730 --> 00:48:01,570
did not know the tickets
have been stolen or embezzled,
609
00:48:01,650 --> 00:48:03,820
and Mr. Devereaux's response was,
610
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:08,530
"If I had dropped Mr. Chandelier's case
I'd have to drop several others."
611
00:48:17,130 --> 00:48:21,050
I was the first person
to turn themselves in.
612
00:48:21,130 --> 00:48:22,670
I mean, they had me.
613
00:48:23,260 --> 00:48:25,430
I was scared as shit because
614
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:29,720
just the name Mark Devereaux reminded
me of those old southern gentlemen.
615
00:48:32,020 --> 00:48:35,730
I mean, I'll never forget
the first time I met him.
616
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,440
The only thing he said to me,
617
00:48:43,610 --> 00:48:48,490
"Don't ever lie to me."
He said, "Just don't ever lie to me."
618
00:48:48,660 --> 00:48:53,540
I says, "Man, I did whatever I did,
not tell you everything I did.
619
00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:55,290
I ain't gonna lie."
620
00:48:55,370 --> 00:49:00,460
Because I've never believed in lying
anyhow, I wasn't gonna start then.
621
00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:06,760
The plan is to find the path to victory
622
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,970
if it is there, to protect the client,
to help the client.
623
00:49:12,060 --> 00:49:15,810
So if you start out
"I'm just gonna plead guilty,"
624
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:21,230
you never go through the mental
discipline of "Can I find the way?"
625
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,200
We probably started ads, "If you want
him as a witness, give him immunity,"
626
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,360
something like that.
627
00:49:28,450 --> 00:49:31,660
And that would have met head-on
628
00:49:31,740 --> 00:49:36,620
with the 180-degree opposite position.
629
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:39,920
Is a plea a possibility for this case?
630
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,550
A plea is always a possibility.
631
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:48,800
The issue of how he will address
these charges is being evaluated.
632
00:49:52,260 --> 00:49:56,060
When you talk about what Jerry
was facing, it gets complicated.
633
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:59,060
If you start adding up all of the
different counts he was charged with,
634
00:49:59,150 --> 00:50:03,940
he was facing a lot of time.
And I know it was well over 10.
635
00:50:08,910 --> 00:50:12,580
I remember it having a sense of
636
00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:18,210
huge sympathy for the ordeal
it was being imposed on,
637
00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:20,420
and in the way it was being imposed.
638
00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:23,040
Prosecutors say this is the man
who started it all.
639
00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:26,010
Jerome Jacobson faces nine counts
of conspiracy
640
00:50:26,090 --> 00:50:29,050
in a plot they say involved
$20 million dollars' worth of
641
00:50:29,220 --> 00:50:33,300
McDonald's winning game prizes stolen
and then sold to friends and relatives.
642
00:50:33,390 --> 00:50:37,770
If he could cooperate, it would provide
us just so much information
643
00:50:37,930 --> 00:50:42,560
to find all these other winners.
And winners turned into recruiters,
644
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:46,320
and most importantly
to show exactly how he did it.
645
00:50:48,070 --> 00:50:52,110
We could not quite figure it out.
And now we knew he was doing it,
646
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,370
we just didn't know the details
in how he was doing it.
647
00:50:56,450 --> 00:50:58,450
The government always wanted to know
how he did it
648
00:50:58,620 --> 00:51:02,080
and he did not cooperate
from the beginning.
649
00:51:02,170 --> 00:51:05,250
He would have, but for the fact that
his lawyers would not allow him to
650
00:51:05,340 --> 00:51:07,420
until we worked everything out.
651
00:51:07,590 --> 00:51:13,010
It was the talk peace
but prepare for war. And...
652
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:16,970
We were preparing for a war.
653
00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:26,820
I don't think there ever was
an exit strategy to stopping.
654
00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:28,990
He'd been perfecting it for 13 years,
655
00:51:29,070 --> 00:51:33,160
it's just gotten better and probably
easier for him to do.
656
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,280
And the only reason he got caught was
because he pissed somebody off
657
00:51:36,450 --> 00:51:40,080
and somebody went to the FBI and said,
"Hey, guess what's happening."
658
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:49,000
"Informant, key to unlocking scam
behind the golden arches."
659
00:51:49,090 --> 00:51:52,380
Of course they never named
who the informant was,
660
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:54,760
but that's how it all came apart.
661
00:51:58,510 --> 00:52:01,930
Do you have any idea who the informant
might have been?
662
00:52:02,020 --> 00:52:04,400
Nope.
663
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:05,770
I think it's the FBI.
664
00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:09,480
Before this ever went down,
665
00:52:09,570 --> 00:52:14,240
there was a box across the street
from my house on a pole,
666
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,910
placed there by Blue Ridge Electric.
667
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,750
I'd always questioned what it was.
I've developed a lot of property.
668
00:52:22,830 --> 00:52:24,920
I'd never seen that box.
669
00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:31,010
I suspected they were eavesdropping
on to me,
670
00:52:31,090 --> 00:52:33,090
not because of McDonald's
671
00:52:33,170 --> 00:52:38,890
but because of a fellow developer
here on the lakes.
672
00:52:38,970 --> 00:52:41,640
The FBI came in.
673
00:52:41,810 --> 00:52:44,940
the drug enforcement people came in,
everybody came in,
674
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:46,850
tied up all of his shit.
675
00:52:48,940 --> 00:52:54,200
And I was on the peripheral that,
within a week
676
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:59,030
after my arrest
and after this went down,
677
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,200
Blue Ridge Electric trucks came into
the field across my street
678
00:53:02,290 --> 00:53:04,870
and that box is gone.
679
00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:11,420
So that's why I've always felt
their story of how an informant,
680
00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:15,010
or how somebody came forward,
681
00:53:15,090 --> 00:53:18,300
I felt like it was bullshit.
682
00:53:18,970 --> 00:53:23,520
- Do you know who the informant is?
- I do.
683
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:29,770
- Are we...
- Next question.
684
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,110
Without the informant
685
00:53:37,610 --> 00:53:42,080
telling the FBI where to go,
who to look at...
686
00:53:48,580 --> 00:53:52,210
This case would have never
been broken. Never.
687
00:53:54,090 --> 00:53:59,130
I will never tell you who the source
was. You will never get that from me.
688
00:53:59,220 --> 00:54:02,890
If I was a dead body,
you could not get that off my corpse.
689
00:54:02,970 --> 00:54:07,140
That's how much I think about
the Bureau's program.
690
00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:09,400
It has to work like that, right?
691
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,440
If you had to make a guess, who
do you think the informant would be?
692
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,440
I don't think it was anybody in mind.
693
00:54:16,530 --> 00:54:20,160
If it is, I'd be very surprised,
real surprised.
694
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:23,490
If you're gonna surprise me,
go ahead and surprise me.
695
00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:28,830
I know who broke the case,
I had this moment right now...
696
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:33,590
I'm not sure if I feel comfortable
saying who broke the case. I need to
697
00:54:34,170 --> 00:54:37,970
talk to some people and make sure
that I'm not in danger
698
00:54:38,050 --> 00:54:42,260
if I say who broke the case.
Because right now...
699
00:54:48,350 --> 00:54:51,600
I don't know if it's gonna come back
and bite me in the butt.
700
00:54:51,690 --> 00:54:53,770
Who do you think it was?
701
00:54:59,070 --> 00:55:01,360
Frank Colombo.
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