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So, Scream is from
Bailey's Crossroads,
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which is right down the street.
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"Put together with a troubled groove,"
is Trouble Funk.
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This is all about the Revolution Summer
that happened here.
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That's the reference
to the Chocolate City riots,
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which started on 14th and U.
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This is taken from a quote
from the Bad Brains.
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They said their school
they went to was like a prison,
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there were no
fuckin' windows in it.
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It was one door in
and one door out.
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And then "check yourself
and wreck your brains
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like the Bad Brains.
Where's your 'P.M.A.'"?
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- They're great.
- Pat?
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Yeah, really good.
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- Check that out.
- Wow.
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That's a lot of fuckin' words.
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Let's play.
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What the fuck are we doing?
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Everyone's just sitting around,
talking.
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That's some bullshit.
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Sync, corrected by icephoenix
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Hey, how you doin', man?
How you doin'?
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- Oh, yeah?
- Yeah, yeah...
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Oh, really?
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All right, come on in.
Come on in.
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We're one big happy family here.
You guys good?
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- Yeah, yeah.
- All right.
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Where to, sir?
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Club LeBaron.
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Every city has its past.
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Good gracious,
this place bring back memories.
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But you have to know your past
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in order to know your future.
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Direct from our newsroom
in Washington.
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In color,
this is the CBS Evening News
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with Walter Cronkite.
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Good evening.
Dr. Martin Luther King,
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the apostle of nonviolence
in the civil rights movement,
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has been shot to death in Memphis,
Tennessee.
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Martin Luther King,
20 minutes ago, died.
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It was insane.
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I mean, I can remember
hearing about it in school.
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My friends said,
"Oh," you know,
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"there's gonna be a race war,
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and we're gonna
get killed."
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I just remember
everything going crazy.
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Frustration just reached
a boiling point.
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I knew when it happened,
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I said, "Folks gonna
burn this town down."
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How I happened to be
with my dad,
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and we were going down U Street
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and there were
just people fighting
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in the middle of the street,
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you know,
people being pulled from their cars.
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You know, my dad was, "Don't even worry."
But I'm like, "Whoa."
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They shut the whole shit down.
National Guard was in.
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Tanks going up and down
the damn street.
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Boys like that.
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Their M-16s and helmets and shit.
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We couldn't quite understand
why we couldn't go out.
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So I have this memory
of smoldering buildings
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and broken windows smashed out,
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and police and firemen,
and I started to wonder
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if maybe I had...
This was something
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I had created in my mind
to tell a story.
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When you're a kid,
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your environment
is your main influence.
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But you don't know that
until you grow up
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and start finding out
about yourself.
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Whenever I felt lost,
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I would go back to Virginia.
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To my mother's house.
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To the room where I grew up in.
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And it just pulled everything
back into perspective.
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I remember that watch,
it was a Mr. Peanut watch.
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- Oh.
- I liked that watch.
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God, I couldn't just take
a nice picture, you know?
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I always had to be the jackass.
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- Pre-punk.
- And then, I lost all of my...
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I never thought
that I would move away from Virginia.
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I thought I would spend
the rest of my life there.
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Like all of my friends
that I grew up with.
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Charles Dickens, I think,
called Washington, DC
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"the city of magnificent
intentions."
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But the gap between
the dream and the reality
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is excruciatingly wide.
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DC is naturally
a transient town.
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There's not that many people
who were born and raised here.
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Even today, I was like,
"There's people from DC,
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then there's
a 'Washingtonian.'"
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People come and go.
And a lot of the money
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and a lot of the change is from
the people that come and go.
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I think so much of what
happened in DC makes more sense
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when you look at the way
an often ugly reality
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is juxtaposed so close
to this dream.
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Growing up as a white kid
in Washington, DC,
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I felt really marginalized.
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Because...
Can you name a '70s...
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Like, a popular '70s rock band
from Washington, DC?
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Name one.
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You grew up here.
Name one.
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It's, like, very hard...
Like "Average White Band"?
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No, they're not from here.
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What's the one who did
"Afternoon Delight"?
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Starland Vocal Band?
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They're from here.
That's about it, right?
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Gonna drop the bomb
on 'em, baby!
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DC really didn't have a sound
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until the go-go thing
broke out.
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This is go-go,
the sound of Chocolate City.
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If you had
to describe go-go
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for someone that has
never heard it before,
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- how would you describe it?
- Exotic drum patterns.
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Raw and tribal,
that's all I can say,
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just 'cause that's how I felt
when I first heard it.
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It was just like
the rawest thing ever.
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Bap!
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The art form that should have
been popular instead of rap.
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A lot of it is credited to Chuck Brown.
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In the early '70s,
he was playing Top 40s.
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All Top 40 tunes, you know,
you had to sound just like the radio.
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People didn't like bands
doing their own original tunes
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if they hadn't been played
on the radio.
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He would play something by LTD
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or O'Jays,
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and in between those songs,
he wouldn't stop.
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When you stop playing,
you lose the crowd.
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He had a beat
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that he played
in between those Top 40s.
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It's like this.
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That's the bottom...
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of the go-go beat.
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Everything else
is taken from that.
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It's called a pocket beat, right?
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A lot of drummers
still play it.
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But mainly,
like myself and other drummers
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of, I guess, the new era,
we kind of mix it up.
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Instead of playing the basic...
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we'll switch it up.
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One of the things
that people don't understand
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or recognize
about this go-go movement,
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is that before it became a music,
it was just that.
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It was a atmosphere.
You know what I'm sayin'?
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The club was actually
what they called a "go-go."
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I didn't fall in love
with the music
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till I went to a go-go
when I was like 15, 16
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and then like, saw it.
And I'm like,
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"Now, like,
I completely understand everything."
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Chuck Brown and the
Soul Searchers come on,
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all these kids start
comin' from out of nowhere.
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Before they can hit one note,
they goin',
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"Wind me up, Chuck!"
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- Wind me up, Chuck!
- "Wind me up, Chuck!"
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And the drummer just...
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"Mm-pow!"
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Boom!
Right in the pocket!
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Yeah!
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That's what I'm talking about.
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I was like, "Man, you know,
we need to try to open up for Chuck."
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Sounds so good,
you gotta do it again for me now!
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And... we did!
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Come on, now!
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My earliest memories of DC
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and their sound and go-go
was Trouble Funk.
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When a multitude of drums are
played at the same time in unison,
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it becomes... hypnotic.
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Mesmerizing.
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And then you got
the call-and-response thing.
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"Are y'all tired yet?"
They go, "Hell, no!"
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"You tired yet?"
"Hell, no!"
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"Do you want some mo'?"
"Hell, yeah!"
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"You ain't ready to go?"
"Hell, no!"
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It kind of made everybody
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that came to see
a go-go act
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feel like they were a part
of what was goin' on.
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Chuck Brown went
to the owner and said,
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"I don't want them boys
playing with me no mo'.
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They stealin' my music."
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We didn't steal his music.
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We stole the idea.
You know what I'm sayin'?
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It just kind of grew
just from the street.
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You go to see a Chuck show or a Rare
Essence show or one of these shows,
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these kids take their tape decks
in and they tape the show.
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And all over the city,
during the day,
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they're listening
to these local bands.
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You can't stand
there and not pat your foot.
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It had a certain
repetitiveness to it...
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that just got you movin'.
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Even the mayor
of Washington, DC
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had Chuck Brown play
at his inauguration ceremony.
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That says a lot.
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The go-go sound,
which Chuck created
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has helped to define
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what Washington, DC...
What the District of Columbia is today.
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The greatest city in the world!
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Know what I mean?
DC is go-go.
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Go-go is DC.
You know what I'm saying?
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I mean, I would assure you
that even Obama
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probably got a go-go tape
somewhere up in there.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Downtown Washington, DC
was alive with its own music.
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But something else was happening
in the suburbs of Virginia.
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- Should we go through here?
- Yeah!
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One local Virginia studio
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produced the entire soundtrack
of my youth.
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- Was that in your back yard?
- That's the back yard.
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That's Rites of Spring's
sessions.
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Oh, wow!
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There's Ian in dress-ups.
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There's a good picture
of Henry with a dress.
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- Look at that.
- Before tats.
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These are all the heroes of like,
the Washington, DC punk rock scene.
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This is sort of like a Hall of Fame,
this whole thing.
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Inner Ear is the right person
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in the right place
at the right time.
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Don Zientara is that guy.
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Don himself is an artist,
a musician, an activist.
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He was a conscientious objector
during the Vietnam War.
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I was drafted,
went through basic,
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and they had a program
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where you can get an education
through the army,
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so I got an electronics training.
I was always involved in that.
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I had a phonograph
and I had an amplifier,
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and I needed a phono preamp,
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which nobody needs anymore.
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So I told my friend Bob,
and Bob said, "No problem."
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He comes over with a paper bag,
just full of parts.
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He says,
"Here's the drawings, make it."
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And so that's how I learn.
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When you see
Don Zientara's name
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on the back
of every punk rock record
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coming out of Washington, DC,
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you just imagine him to be
this gnarly punk rock guy
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with a mohawk and a leather
jacket and tattoos.
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So when I first met him,
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I was totally surprised
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that he is a 6'6" surfer
with a nerdy voice, like,
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"Hi, how you doing, I'm Don Zientara."
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I took one look at him and thought,
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"Wait, you're the guy
that recorded
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the fuckin' Bad Brains?"
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A lot of bands,
they had their songs and all,
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but they're rocking and rolling,
having a good time.
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To me, it was competitive.
Like, I literally said,
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"If they think they playing fast,
watch this."
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The Bad Brains were really
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one of the first
hardcore punk bands.
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They were the first band
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influenced by punk rock,
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taking it much further
musically.
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Much faster.
Much more aggressive.
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They brought me in a
homemade demo tape on a reel-to-reel
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and they were accomplished musicians,
but they had
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their own idea of what they
wanted their sound to be.
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So did you grow up in the city?
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Yeah, I grew up Southeast
Hartford Street. Projects.
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What was DC like back then?
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Separate.
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DC's a weird town,
like this beltway that's around DC
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is almost like a wall here.
DC is a very segregated city.
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They built the
school that we went to.
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- It was a brand-new school.
- Like a prison.
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Well, that was
our frickin' school.
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With the slotted
windows and stuff?
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It was crazy.
They locked the back door.
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Only way in and out was...
If a fire broke out,
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everybody's dead.
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You know,
we lived in the suburbs.
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So downtown was a place
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where you went on field trips
to the Smithsonian
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and if you went
with your parents,
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you know,
you had the windows rolled up,
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and that was not a place
you got out of the car.
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Only white people we saw
was teachers
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or people who owned stores.
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Here's all the governmental
white buildings,
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and everything was black
all around it.
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And I remember being in Hartford
Street as a kid in the '60s.
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My mom had a Polaroid picture
of a house with a yard.
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I saw this picture,
and I'm like, "Wow.
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That's like The Brady Bunch and shit,"
you know?
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I think sometimes
The Brady Bunch
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had a lot to do with
what I thought of...
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What the world...
You know, how it's supposed to be.
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I mean,
everybody was in bands at the time.
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When people wanted to make
a demo tape,
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they saw,
"Hey, you've got a tape recorder."
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So, I recorded
my friend's band.
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The man who was
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sort of the executive
producer for them,
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he said, "Well, I've...
You know, I've got
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a few other people
bring over."
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I said, "Well,
you know, I'm open."
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You know,
"We'll give it a shot."
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I was impressed enough
with the Bad Brains
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to pay for a recording session
over at Don's studio.
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The night before,
where I'm working at the store by myself,
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H.R. comes in...
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Nobody else from the band...
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and he sits there,
across the counter from me
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with his hands
crossed like this,
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staring at me...
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menacingly.
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And I freaked out.
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I got this session tomorrow
with them.
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I can't do it.
This guy's scaring the hell out of me.
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What were your first
impressions of the Bad Brains?
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I had to become acclimated
to their style of music,
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which is... was quite a...
quite a shock to the system.
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I remember when I was 14 or 15,
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seeing a piece
on the Bad Brains
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on the local, like,
news magazine show.
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And they showed H.R. doing
backflips on the stage.
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And I was like, "Wow.
Who the fuck are these guys?"
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They started
playing in Madam's Organ,
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which was this hippie commune
on 18th Street.
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It was pretty much like
a flophouse, really.
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You walked in,
there was people everywhere.
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There'd be a couple
mattresses there, whatever.
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Always beer, always pot.
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People were throwing up.
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That was sort
of their home base.
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We saw these guys walk in...
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The coolest-looking punk people
we'd ever seen in our lives.
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These guys used to wear
suits all the time in high school.
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00:20:51,785 --> 00:20:53,918
Some "Cooley High"-type shit?
My man took the suit,
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00:20:53,954 --> 00:20:56,421
threw that shit...
Paint on that shit, glue.
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00:20:56,456 --> 00:20:58,039
Put glass...
All kind of shit.
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Tear up everything.
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Now we Bad Brains.
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They'd walk around Georgetown,
to hand out these flyers.
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"Are you ready? We are!
Bad Brains."
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"The punk rock explosion
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with the roughest punk band
in the world.
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Bad Brains."
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I remember the day I saw them.
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I mean, we were all waiting
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for them to start playing,
and then H.R.
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just kind of busted through
the audience from behind us
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and came right up
on that stage.
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And then they just
kind of exploded.
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00:21:33,159 --> 00:21:35,243
So you had H.R. moving like,
you know,
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00:21:35,295 --> 00:21:37,412
Cab Calloway or whatever,
but on steroids.
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H.R., like, you know, one of the
greatest things about watching him
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was when he would
turn around to you guys
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and do his little
conducting thing.
347
00:21:44,838 --> 00:21:47,922
You know,
there was part of me watching that,
348
00:21:47,924 --> 00:21:50,725
thinking like,
"Wow, is he... Like,
349
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,478
is he conducting the band
right now?"
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- Yeah, it was that.
- Backflip.
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00:21:55,098 --> 00:21:56,931
But not even
in a contrived way.
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Frenetic. It was insane.
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00:22:09,946 --> 00:22:11,279
When he start
doing that shit...
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00:22:12,616 --> 00:22:14,449
...then we
really poppin'.
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00:22:26,379 --> 00:22:27,962
It's like a weeknight,
I've snuck out
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00:22:27,964 --> 00:22:29,514
to go see the Bad Brains,
right?
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00:22:30,634 --> 00:22:32,967
We go and we're
probably two of...
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00:22:34,054 --> 00:22:36,304
Let's say, 10 people there.
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00:22:40,777 --> 00:22:43,561
It was the most amazing show
I had ever seen.
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00:22:43,613 --> 00:22:45,980
That was the greatest
band that ever existed
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00:22:46,032 --> 00:22:47,365
as far as I was concerned.
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00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,283
It's just like I realized
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00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:53,488
you know, I'd found my home
with the Bad Brains.
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00:22:53,540 --> 00:22:56,824
There was very little crossover I think,
between communities then.
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00:22:56,826 --> 00:23:00,828
They had no hang-up
about being black.
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00:23:02,966 --> 00:23:04,716
We're not on no black shit.
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00:23:04,751 --> 00:23:06,584
We're not on no "black punk" shit.
We're not no Afro shit,
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00:23:06,636 --> 00:23:08,886
we're just youth.
The shit turned into a youth movement.
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00:23:10,306 --> 00:23:13,841
It's this whole, like,
confusion about being "punk"
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00:23:13,893 --> 00:23:15,309
that they take it
into this "black" shit.
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00:23:15,345 --> 00:23:17,812
When I was a punk,
I was a punk.
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00:23:17,847 --> 00:23:20,148
I think they gave me a set list
of what they wanted to do.
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It was 14 songs or 10 songs...
It was an enormous amount.
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00:23:24,187 --> 00:23:26,020
This is one afternoon.
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00:23:26,022 --> 00:23:29,574
They said, "Well, we'll probably not
get a chance to mix them today."
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00:23:29,609 --> 00:23:32,577
I said,
"Still, come on."
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00:23:32,612 --> 00:23:34,195
We were recording in his house,
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00:23:34,247 --> 00:23:36,164
so that's why you hear
on that recording...
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00:23:36,199 --> 00:23:40,251
I was in the basement
doing my tracks.
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00:23:40,286 --> 00:23:42,503
Original Inner Ear
was on Ivy Street.
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00:23:42,539 --> 00:23:46,374
I don't know what
the address was.
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00:23:46,376 --> 00:23:48,876
Don started his own
studio in his house.
383
00:23:50,180 --> 00:23:52,847
You know,
just a regular suburban house.
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00:23:52,882 --> 00:23:56,100
I had the control room
on the side porch.
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00:23:56,136 --> 00:24:00,688
But then we ran a snake
down to the basement.
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00:24:00,724 --> 00:24:02,223
He was in
the friggin' bathroom.
387
00:24:02,225 --> 00:24:05,727
Earl was in the living room.
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00:24:05,779 --> 00:24:06,728
H was...
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00:24:06,730 --> 00:24:08,446
Outside.
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00:24:08,481 --> 00:24:10,698
They had crickets and shit,
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00:24:10,734 --> 00:24:14,035
kids watchin' and talkin'.
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00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:16,320
He's in the back yard, like...
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00:24:19,242 --> 00:24:20,708
And he's jumping around
and dancing around.
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00:24:20,744 --> 00:24:22,660
I mean, you just have to wonder
395
00:24:22,712 --> 00:24:24,378
what the neighbors
made of this.
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00:24:24,414 --> 00:24:25,747
You can't hear it
on the "Black Dots" record,
397
00:24:25,749 --> 00:24:27,749
but I have this other version
where you can actually
398
00:24:27,801 --> 00:24:29,917
hear the kids going like,
"What's going on here?"
399
00:24:29,969 --> 00:24:31,969
Like,
then they'd cheer and stuff.
400
00:24:33,473 --> 00:24:35,723
That is okay.
401
00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:38,176
This is all happening
over 30 years ago now
402
00:24:38,228 --> 00:24:39,761
that that stuff was recorded.
403
00:24:39,763 --> 00:24:44,482
At that point in time,
people needed something new.
404
00:24:44,517 --> 00:24:46,350
That is as fresh and dynamic
405
00:24:46,402 --> 00:24:48,686
as the day
that they recorded it.
406
00:24:51,775 --> 00:24:53,775
When I was a kid, I thought,
407
00:24:53,777 --> 00:24:55,193
"I'm not gonna be
a musician."
408
00:24:59,783 --> 00:25:01,783
You look at people
like Peter Frampton
409
00:25:01,835 --> 00:25:03,851
or Jimmy Page or Jimi Hendrix,
410
00:25:03,887 --> 00:25:05,787
like, they're just
at a level...
411
00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:07,205
there's just no way.
412
00:25:09,626 --> 00:25:11,292
So I became a skateboarder.
413
00:25:12,128 --> 00:25:13,628
We just started skating.
414
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,298
Me and Rollins and all
of the neighborhood kids,
415
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:18,850
and we listened
to a lot of rock.
416
00:25:20,854 --> 00:25:24,021
I loved rock.
And then Ted Nugent.
417
00:25:35,785 --> 00:25:38,536
Have you ever seen footage
of him in the '70s?
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00:25:39,989 --> 00:25:41,656
He's got a beard and long hair
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00:25:41,708 --> 00:25:43,791
and he's wearing
a loincloth and a tail,
420
00:25:43,827 --> 00:25:45,493
and moccasins.
421
00:25:45,495 --> 00:25:49,163
And he is going crazy!
Screaming.
422
00:25:52,135 --> 00:25:55,336
We would argue and argue like,
whether the Ramones or Ted Nugent...
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00:25:55,338 --> 00:25:57,588
Who was better?
And I said, "Ted Nugent!"
424
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,006
And I'd just argue
and they told me,
425
00:25:59,008 --> 00:26:01,342
"What about The Clash?"
"Fuck The Clash. Ted Nugent."
426
00:26:08,484 --> 00:26:09,934
Punk just seemed
kind of a joke to me.
427
00:26:09,986 --> 00:26:12,103
If punks have a home territory,
428
00:26:12,155 --> 00:26:15,022
it is here on the same street
that launched the miniskirt
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00:26:15,074 --> 00:26:17,859
and the look and mood
of the Swinging '60s.
430
00:26:17,861 --> 00:26:20,611
Because the media
treated it like a joke.
431
00:26:20,663 --> 00:26:22,446
Having seen the Bad Brains,
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00:26:22,498 --> 00:26:24,665
we decided like,
"We're gonna do this.
433
00:26:25,952 --> 00:26:27,869
We're gonna fuckin' be
in a band for real."
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00:26:28,705 --> 00:26:30,288
That's George.
435
00:26:31,257 --> 00:26:32,707
Jeff.
436
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:34,375
Ian.
437
00:26:34,427 --> 00:26:37,128
And Nathan, this guy.
You have to introduce yourself.
438
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:42,049
What was the first
record that you made?
439
00:26:42,051 --> 00:26:45,770
"Teen Idles."
I was in high school.
440
00:26:45,805 --> 00:26:47,955
The reason we recorded
441
00:26:47,991 --> 00:26:50,391
was to make a yearbook.
'Cause we were breaking up.
442
00:26:50,426 --> 00:26:52,393
We knew we were gonna break up.
443
00:26:52,445 --> 00:26:54,395
So we just wanted
to document the stuff
444
00:26:54,447 --> 00:26:56,063
'cause it was important to us.
445
00:26:56,115 --> 00:26:58,316
And the first
recording experience
446
00:26:58,368 --> 00:27:00,534
was pretty terrifying for us.
447
00:27:00,570 --> 00:27:04,155
And we were not good,
I can acknowledge that.
448
00:27:04,207 --> 00:27:06,490
But, fuck, man.
We were trying.
449
00:27:06,542 --> 00:27:08,409
So we were tracking
and another band
450
00:27:08,461 --> 00:27:10,578
had come to see the studio.
451
00:27:10,580 --> 00:27:13,664
And there was a small window
into the control room.
452
00:27:13,716 --> 00:27:16,467
And the other band
would stand there with him
453
00:27:16,502 --> 00:27:18,552
sitting at the control desk.
454
00:27:18,588 --> 00:27:21,923
And we're playing,
and he's pointing
455
00:27:21,975 --> 00:27:24,425
and they're all laughing at us.
456
00:27:24,477 --> 00:27:28,012
And I remember thinkin' like,
"This is fucked up!"
457
00:27:28,064 --> 00:27:31,649
There's so many people saying,
you know,
458
00:27:31,684 --> 00:27:34,936
"Why don't you stop this noise
and play some real music?"
459
00:27:34,988 --> 00:27:38,189
The punk music intensity,
460
00:27:38,241 --> 00:27:39,991
or...
Call it what you want...
461
00:27:40,026 --> 00:27:43,411
You had to break through
so many barriers
462
00:27:43,446 --> 00:27:45,279
to get shows, to play,
463
00:27:45,331 --> 00:27:48,499
to get people to listen
to your music.
464
00:27:48,534 --> 00:27:50,618
So much of my work,
I think, really came
465
00:27:50,670 --> 00:27:52,286
out of feeling
we were being dismissed.
466
00:27:52,338 --> 00:27:54,538
So much of the energy, I think,
I was like, "Okay."
467
00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:56,674
Like, "Fine,
I'm a piece of shit.
468
00:27:56,709 --> 00:27:59,794
Watch what this piece
of shit's gonna do."
469
00:27:59,846 --> 00:28:01,045
I was gonna keep on going.
470
00:28:03,967 --> 00:28:07,351
In '79,
I had started going over
471
00:28:07,387 --> 00:28:09,303
on buying trips to England
472
00:28:09,305 --> 00:28:11,389
because we weren't
getting the fill
473
00:28:11,441 --> 00:28:13,808
from our distributors
of the kind of records
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00:28:13,810 --> 00:28:15,476
that I knew were coming out
in England.
475
00:28:15,528 --> 00:28:17,812
Henry and Ian would always be
among the first
476
00:28:17,864 --> 00:28:20,231
to come out and help me
unpack the bags
477
00:28:20,283 --> 00:28:21,816
so that they could get
the next copy
478
00:28:21,868 --> 00:28:24,118
of the Satan Rats'
"You Make Me Sick" .45.
479
00:28:24,153 --> 00:28:25,736
Or the next UK Subs .45.
480
00:28:30,326 --> 00:28:32,743
I don't think these
punk rock music scenes
481
00:28:32,795 --> 00:28:35,413
began as music scenes.
482
00:28:35,465 --> 00:28:38,632
I think these scenes started
483
00:28:38,668 --> 00:28:41,002
as a group of misfits...
484
00:28:41,004 --> 00:28:45,923
People that didn't feel
accepted in society.
485
00:28:45,975 --> 00:28:47,141
I was told
if I wanted to be a punk,
486
00:28:47,176 --> 00:28:49,343
I should move to New York.
487
00:28:49,395 --> 00:28:52,596
'Cause you can't really
be a punk in Washington.
488
00:28:52,648 --> 00:28:53,931
Which I was like, "Well...
489
00:28:53,983 --> 00:28:56,684
fuck that,
I'm not moving to New York."
490
00:28:56,686 --> 00:28:58,652
Here's Ian.
491
00:28:58,688 --> 00:29:01,238
Hey, Ian.
What's up, buddy?
492
00:29:01,274 --> 00:29:02,823
We got in last night.
493
00:29:02,859 --> 00:29:05,076
We got drums up
and we got sounds
494
00:29:05,111 --> 00:29:07,194
and so we're just gonna
start tracking today.
495
00:29:07,246 --> 00:29:09,864
Come by!
496
00:29:09,866 --> 00:29:11,615
Okay, bye.
497
00:29:35,308 --> 00:29:39,310
It's a challenge
to go into a different studio
498
00:29:39,362 --> 00:29:42,396
every week and bang out a song.
499
00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:44,148
Hey!
500
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,567
Guitars are too fuckin' loud!
501
00:29:46,569 --> 00:29:48,319
Say what, Shifty?
502
00:29:48,371 --> 00:29:50,121
- My guitar keeps getting really loud.
- The guitars are way too loud!
503
00:29:50,156 --> 00:29:53,040
- Dave's guitar?
- Yeah.
504
00:29:53,076 --> 00:29:55,042
Especially when you
haven't been in there before.
505
00:29:56,129 --> 00:29:58,412
Hey, is there any way that, uh,
506
00:29:59,749 --> 00:30:01,465
we could record?
507
00:30:02,752 --> 00:30:04,251
James is gonna check one thing,
508
00:30:04,303 --> 00:30:06,220
and then we're gonna
go again right away.
509
00:30:06,255 --> 00:30:08,589
Everybody kind of has
to rise to the occasion,
510
00:30:08,591 --> 00:30:11,559
adapt to the sound of the room.
511
00:30:14,430 --> 00:30:16,564
What they're hearing
coming back from the speakers.
512
00:30:22,939 --> 00:30:25,523
I've never met Don,
I've never been in to Inner Ear.
513
00:30:25,575 --> 00:30:28,776
But I've been looking
at the name "Inner Ear"
514
00:30:28,778 --> 00:30:33,364
on album sleeves
since probably 1983.
515
00:30:33,416 --> 00:30:35,116
This is the studio
516
00:30:35,118 --> 00:30:38,002
that I was most
looking forward to visiting.
517
00:30:38,037 --> 00:30:41,122
It's like my bedroom
from when I was a teenager.
518
00:30:43,459 --> 00:30:46,427
I knew about this place
519
00:30:46,462 --> 00:30:48,796
and all the bands
that had made records here.
520
00:30:59,142 --> 00:31:02,026
And then just being here today,
and Ian MacKaye comes
521
00:31:02,061 --> 00:31:03,561
and hangs out all day, man.
522
00:31:03,613 --> 00:31:05,279
- All right.
- Excellent, you guys.
523
00:31:05,314 --> 00:31:09,366
God, dude. Queen and Thin Lizzy,
in one fuckin' night, dude?
524
00:31:09,402 --> 00:31:11,819
My sister took me and we went down,
and I was 14 or 15...
525
00:31:11,871 --> 00:31:13,120
My sister took me to
my first Queen concert.
526
00:31:13,156 --> 00:31:14,655
so I sat down,
and then I looked behind me
527
00:31:14,707 --> 00:31:16,323
and there was these kids
from my neighborhood.
528
00:31:16,375 --> 00:31:17,825
Turn around and there's this one girl,
who's a little older than me.
529
00:31:17,827 --> 00:31:20,494
And she said, "Hey!"
And she just has the word "fuck"
530
00:31:20,496 --> 00:31:23,581
written across her forehead in Sharpie.
And I was like...
531
00:31:23,633 --> 00:31:26,750
"Okay."
532
00:31:26,802 --> 00:31:28,002
When that guy's around,
you just want to sit down
533
00:31:28,054 --> 00:31:29,336
and listen to him talk, man.
534
00:31:29,338 --> 00:31:31,388
When I was in 11th grade,
535
00:31:31,424 --> 00:31:33,140
I went to the prom, with a...
A senior invited me to prom.
536
00:31:33,176 --> 00:31:34,642
And the band that played
537
00:31:34,677 --> 00:31:36,177
was a band called
"The Mighty Peacemakers."
538
00:31:37,346 --> 00:31:39,180
And they were
a go-go band.
539
00:31:40,433 --> 00:31:43,017
Then I realized,
"Wow, this is happening here!"
540
00:31:45,021 --> 00:31:47,562
And someone said,
"Yeah, Friday night go-gos."
541
00:31:47,579 --> 00:31:49,413
Every night,
like 4,000 or 5,000 kids
542
00:31:49,415 --> 00:31:50,580
come out
to the go-go there.
543
00:31:50,632 --> 00:31:52,632
Trouble Funk
and other go-go bands...
544
00:31:52,668 --> 00:31:53,750
Experience Unlimited,
Rare Essence,
545
00:31:53,802 --> 00:31:55,051
Chuck Brown
and the Soul Searchers...
546
00:31:55,087 --> 00:31:57,554
They're playing
these giant shows.
547
00:32:01,226 --> 00:32:02,843
The whites don't really know
what's happening, most of them.
548
00:32:02,895 --> 00:32:05,061
But these bands had been doing
this thing for 10, 12 years.
549
00:32:05,097 --> 00:32:06,179
No one even knew
it was happening.
550
00:32:10,686 --> 00:32:14,020
It was really inspiring for us.
551
00:32:14,072 --> 00:32:15,605
We thought, "Fuck, man,
552
00:32:15,607 --> 00:32:18,275
like, nobody knows about it,
and yet they got it going on?
553
00:32:19,495 --> 00:32:21,278
We can get it
going on, too."
554
00:32:35,127 --> 00:32:37,677
No one would put out
Teen Idles.
555
00:32:37,713 --> 00:32:40,380
No one would put out
Bad Brains at the time.
556
00:32:40,432 --> 00:32:45,135
Some groups just were
simply unknown.
557
00:32:45,187 --> 00:32:48,972
And a lot of people
wanted to keep them unknown
558
00:32:49,024 --> 00:32:51,858
or considered
their music not music.
559
00:32:51,894 --> 00:32:53,443
We just thought,
560
00:32:53,479 --> 00:32:56,780
how many labels are lining up
to put out, like,
561
00:32:56,815 --> 00:33:00,283
a pretty okay teenage punk
band from Washington, DC
562
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:03,653
that's already broken up?
And then someone said,
563
00:33:03,655 --> 00:33:06,656
"Fuck it,
let's start our own record label."
564
00:33:06,692 --> 00:33:08,909
I was like, "What?"
565
00:33:08,961 --> 00:33:10,293
Because I didn't know
anything about
566
00:33:10,329 --> 00:33:11,828
a fucking record label,
honestly.
567
00:33:12,915 --> 00:33:14,831
The record business stinks.
568
00:33:14,883 --> 00:33:20,337
But we're like, "Our necessity.
We gotta do this."
569
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:21,805
How many
18-year-olds are like,
570
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,758
"Let's start a fucking label"?
571
00:33:24,810 --> 00:33:26,476
The ones who had no choice.
572
00:33:26,512 --> 00:33:28,178
That's how many
are fucking doing it.
573
00:33:41,289 --> 00:33:43,194
I can't even think
of another community
574
00:33:43,246 --> 00:33:46,748
that preceded us
with that attitude
575
00:33:46,783 --> 00:33:47,866
of, like, "Well,
we can put out our own single.
576
00:33:47,918 --> 00:33:49,334
And we're gonna make
our own covers
577
00:33:49,369 --> 00:33:51,703
and we'll press 100
or whatever."
578
00:33:51,755 --> 00:33:54,289
- We took an English single.
- We pulled it apart.
579
00:33:54,291 --> 00:33:56,841
Unfolded it to see
how the flaps looked.
580
00:33:56,877 --> 00:33:58,593
Took it to a print shop.
581
00:33:58,628 --> 00:34:00,929
And just said, "Can you
print a thousand of these?"
582
00:34:00,964 --> 00:34:04,549
And then, we got them back,
and I'm using scissors and glue.
583
00:34:04,601 --> 00:34:07,101
We fucking
hand-cut and folded
584
00:34:07,137 --> 00:34:10,021
the first like,
10,000 to 12,000 records by hand.
585
00:34:10,056 --> 00:34:11,473
I remember
hanging out at Dischord
586
00:34:11,525 --> 00:34:13,141
and putting together
those Minor Threat records
587
00:34:13,143 --> 00:34:14,943
'cause they'd have
the folding parties.
588
00:34:14,978 --> 00:34:16,561
They were homemade.
I mean, they were like...
589
00:34:16,613 --> 00:34:18,530
Not even totally shaped
like singles
590
00:34:18,565 --> 00:34:22,116
and the guys in the band
would write shit on them.
591
00:34:22,152 --> 00:34:24,369
And you know,
it was just 100% homemade venture.
592
00:34:24,404 --> 00:34:27,238
It's an approach to life.
593
00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:29,407
Do it yourself.
594
00:34:29,459 --> 00:34:31,493
"P.M.A.,"
to quote the Bad Brains.
595
00:34:31,545 --> 00:34:34,329
"Positive mental attitude.
You can do it."
596
00:34:34,381 --> 00:34:36,831
Our first poster said,
"The Bad Brains,
597
00:34:36,883 --> 00:34:38,583
the greatest punk rock band
in the world."
598
00:34:38,635 --> 00:34:41,553
I don't think we ever even had a song.
599
00:34:41,588 --> 00:34:44,923
If you see something you think
needs to be done, go do it.
600
00:34:44,975 --> 00:34:47,141
Don't wait for anybody else.
Do it yourself.
601
00:34:47,177 --> 00:34:49,894
Dischord gave to Washington
602
00:34:49,930 --> 00:34:52,981
what it would not otherwise see
603
00:34:53,016 --> 00:34:57,602
musically
or philosophy-wise.
604
00:34:57,654 --> 00:34:59,904
I didn't have a problem
thinking that
605
00:34:59,940 --> 00:35:01,573
you know,
we could do it in Iron Cross,
606
00:35:01,608 --> 00:35:03,441
because I had just seen
the Teen Idles do it.
607
00:35:03,493 --> 00:35:05,443
I'd just seen
the Bad Brains do it.
608
00:35:05,495 --> 00:35:08,696
And so you get this sort of
snowball of creative energy
609
00:35:08,698 --> 00:35:11,332
'cause people realize,
"He did that? I can do that."
610
00:35:13,169 --> 00:35:15,370
We made records.
That's what we did.
611
00:35:17,374 --> 00:35:18,706
These bands might not be
612
00:35:18,708 --> 00:35:21,926
the most famous bands
in the world,
613
00:35:21,962 --> 00:35:24,045
but these bands influenced
614
00:35:24,047 --> 00:35:26,548
some of the most famous bands
in the world.
615
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:28,633
The Red Hot Chili Peppers,
616
00:35:28,685 --> 00:35:30,435
Beastie Boys,
617
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:33,021
Jane's Addiction, Green Day.
618
00:35:33,056 --> 00:35:35,607
We were all brought up
and influenced
619
00:35:35,642 --> 00:35:38,693
by these bands
from Washington, DC
620
00:35:38,728 --> 00:35:40,812
and Dischord Records.
621
00:35:44,117 --> 00:35:46,117
How many records, in total
622
00:35:46,152 --> 00:35:48,653
do you think
Dischord's has sold?
623
00:35:48,705 --> 00:35:51,573
I dunno.
Four million, maybe?
624
00:35:51,625 --> 00:35:53,324
- Fucking A, man.
- Yeah.
625
00:35:53,376 --> 00:35:54,809
- I had no idea.
- A lot.
626
00:35:56,379 --> 00:35:57,912
I just wanted to document music
that I thought was important.
627
00:35:57,964 --> 00:36:00,715
And then to try to show
some responsibility about it.
628
00:36:00,750 --> 00:36:02,083
I still feel that way.
629
00:36:02,085 --> 00:36:06,004
Hey, Ian, when everything was,
like, you know,
630
00:36:06,056 --> 00:36:08,640
"alternative rock" got
popular and all that stuff,
631
00:36:08,675 --> 00:36:12,927
how many big labels came to you and said,
"Can I buy you?"
632
00:36:12,929 --> 00:36:15,063
I mean, in theory, all of them.
633
00:36:15,098 --> 00:36:17,682
- But we never had lunch with anybody.
- Right, you didn't...
634
00:36:17,734 --> 00:36:19,817
They asked for lunch.
We got a lot of lunch requests.
635
00:36:19,853 --> 00:36:22,153
- Yeah.
- But it just was nothing to talk about.
636
00:36:22,188 --> 00:36:24,606
Right, right.
637
00:36:24,608 --> 00:36:26,991
It's such a different world
than I'm from.
638
00:36:27,027 --> 00:36:29,277
When I was a kid, I didn't know
639
00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:32,113
that you could put a band together,
print your own records, you know,
640
00:36:32,165 --> 00:36:34,782
I didn't really know
that that existed.
641
00:36:34,784 --> 00:36:36,167
The only thing
I thought you could do
642
00:36:36,202 --> 00:36:38,336
was, you know, play,
like, maybe in a wedding band
643
00:36:38,371 --> 00:36:42,206
or go to Hollywood
and get the big record deal.
644
00:36:42,258 --> 00:36:44,792
This is fucking rad.
645
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:48,930
Rad.
646
00:36:53,103 --> 00:36:54,636
So there's a
certain angst I feel
647
00:36:54,638 --> 00:36:57,605
when I'm here in DC.
648
00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:01,309
We lived here for a while
649
00:37:01,361 --> 00:37:03,311
to record
"Nothing Left to Lose"
650
00:37:03,313 --> 00:37:04,896
and "One by One."
651
00:37:06,366 --> 00:37:08,316
I struggled learning
how to record drums
652
00:37:08,318 --> 00:37:10,368
on a record.
653
00:37:10,403 --> 00:37:11,486
Everybody ready?
654
00:37:11,488 --> 00:37:13,321
- Yes.
- Yeah, yeah!
655
00:37:13,323 --> 00:37:15,623
I don't know
if I've learned yet.
656
00:37:15,659 --> 00:37:17,625
Here we go!
657
00:37:28,838 --> 00:37:31,472
Everybody thinks
we're from Seattle.
658
00:37:31,508 --> 00:37:34,759
We're not.
We're from everywhere.
659
00:37:34,811 --> 00:37:40,515
California, and Washington state
and Washington, DC
660
00:37:40,517 --> 00:37:42,400
and Los Angeles.
661
00:37:42,435 --> 00:37:44,569
But if there's anywhere
where you could say we're from,
662
00:37:44,604 --> 00:37:46,654
to a certain degree,
would be here, possibly.
663
00:37:46,690 --> 00:37:50,241
'Cause most of our germs
of our ideas
664
00:37:50,276 --> 00:37:53,578
come from Dave
and he's from here.
665
00:37:57,450 --> 00:37:59,450
I like it, but I can't hear me.
666
00:37:59,502 --> 00:38:02,203
Come on in and listen, y'all.
Come on in.
667
00:38:02,205 --> 00:38:03,871
Butch has a
Southern accent now.
668
00:38:05,759 --> 00:38:08,342
"Come on in and listen, y'all.
669
00:38:08,378 --> 00:38:09,877
We're in Shirlington,
Virginia."
670
00:38:09,929 --> 00:38:11,879
If Dave had grown
up in Los Angeles,
671
00:38:11,931 --> 00:38:14,549
he wouldn't be who he is.
I think in the nature
672
00:38:14,601 --> 00:38:17,635
of him growing up in DC
and in Virginia,
673
00:38:17,687 --> 00:38:20,521
you're sort of forced
to find your own path.
674
00:38:20,557 --> 00:38:22,724
Pretty darn good, Dave Grohl.
675
00:38:22,776 --> 00:38:25,109
I fuckin' hate what I just did.
676
00:38:27,897 --> 00:38:30,231
Oh, God, it's perfect!
677
00:38:33,286 --> 00:38:35,403
Most of the albums
from the Dischord label
678
00:38:35,455 --> 00:38:38,122
were recorded
at Inner Ear Studios.
679
00:38:38,158 --> 00:38:41,325
This studio was so important
to me as a musician.
680
00:38:41,377 --> 00:38:44,545
Not only because it became
the soundtrack of my youth,
681
00:38:44,581 --> 00:38:48,883
but these albums
were my teachers.
682
00:38:48,918 --> 00:38:51,886
Ian MacKaye has been my hero
683
00:38:51,921 --> 00:38:53,471
since the day I met him.
684
00:38:53,506 --> 00:38:55,256
Dave told me
about your interview
685
00:38:55,258 --> 00:38:57,258
was you were
schooled on Ted Nugent
686
00:38:57,310 --> 00:39:01,429
when you started out, man.
That just fucking rules so much.
687
00:39:01,431 --> 00:39:04,482
One of the most
honorable things about him
688
00:39:04,517 --> 00:39:07,268
is his evolution as a musician,
689
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:10,438
from being the bass
player of Teen Idles
690
00:39:10,490 --> 00:39:13,191
to being the singer
of Minor Threat
691
00:39:13,243 --> 00:39:15,827
to being the guitar player
of Fugazi.
692
00:39:15,862 --> 00:39:17,779
In the Teen Idles,
my proficiency...
693
00:39:17,831 --> 00:39:20,331
It wasn't great, you know.
I was learning.
694
00:39:20,366 --> 00:39:22,283
The Bad Brains, I think they really
were the ones who said, like,
695
00:39:22,335 --> 00:39:23,951
"Don't waste time
on the stage."
696
00:39:23,953 --> 00:39:25,753
Like, if you're gonna do it,
do it right.
697
00:39:34,798 --> 00:39:35,963
I love Minor Threat.
698
00:39:36,015 --> 00:39:38,466
I think the reason
they were so good
699
00:39:38,518 --> 00:39:42,687
was most of the other
punk rock bands
700
00:39:42,722 --> 00:39:45,022
were influenced
by English punk rock,
701
00:39:45,058 --> 00:39:48,609
which talked about political
things and class struggle
702
00:39:48,645 --> 00:39:52,563
and things that didn't really
apply to our American life.
703
00:39:52,615 --> 00:39:54,949
And Minor Threat,
I think, was the first band
704
00:39:54,984 --> 00:39:58,486
that talked about, like,
sociological issues
705
00:39:58,538 --> 00:40:01,239
that really did matter to us.
"My friend lied to me."
706
00:40:01,291 --> 00:40:04,542
You know... "You didn't do what
you said you were gonna do."
707
00:40:04,577 --> 00:40:07,161
Much more personal
and relatable
708
00:40:07,213 --> 00:40:10,414
and the stuff you could
really get behind.
709
00:40:10,466 --> 00:40:12,133
Yeah, I remember,
like, Teen Idles
710
00:40:12,168 --> 00:40:16,205
I was writing to 25 kids
in Washington, DC,
711
00:40:16,229 --> 00:40:18,840
never thinking, really,
that it would be a song
712
00:40:18,842 --> 00:40:21,342
that would ever be heard
outside of the city.
713
00:40:21,394 --> 00:40:23,511
Because... let's face...
714
00:40:23,513 --> 00:40:26,314
Who would ever listen to some
punk band from DC?
715
00:40:30,019 --> 00:40:31,769
So this is the example
716
00:40:31,821 --> 00:40:35,189
of the power of the DC
punk scene...
717
00:40:35,961 --> 00:40:38,793
Its reputation reached
even Montana.
718
00:40:38,828 --> 00:40:42,113
By the early '80s,
I knew about Bad Brains,
719
00:40:42,165 --> 00:40:43,614
I knew about Minor Threat.
720
00:40:43,666 --> 00:40:46,834
Henry Rollins, of course,
was in Black Flag at that point.
721
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:49,453
I bought Black Flag
records in Montana.
722
00:40:49,505 --> 00:40:50,872
I actually came to DC
723
00:40:50,874 --> 00:40:53,040
'cause I was going
to graduate school.
724
00:40:53,042 --> 00:40:57,044
Looking back,
it was my effort to grow up.
725
00:40:57,046 --> 00:40:59,380
Found an apartment
near Dupont Circle
726
00:40:59,382 --> 00:41:01,048
September of 1984.
727
00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:03,301
I put my stuff
in the apartment,
728
00:41:03,353 --> 00:41:06,103
walked across the street to
the pay phone to call my mom
729
00:41:06,139 --> 00:41:09,056
to assure her that, yes,
I was in Washington, DC,
730
00:41:09,108 --> 00:41:11,475
but no,
I had not been killed yet.
731
00:41:11,527 --> 00:41:13,895
I had not been robbed.
But what I saw
732
00:41:13,947 --> 00:41:16,781
spray-painted on the wall
next to the pay phone
733
00:41:16,816 --> 00:41:20,568
was "Nazi punks rule.
Oi, oi, oi!"
734
00:41:20,620 --> 00:41:23,404
Honestly, I felt in...
In those moments
735
00:41:23,406 --> 00:41:25,623
like it might have been better
736
00:41:25,658 --> 00:41:28,159
if punk rock had never
been invented.
737
00:41:29,545 --> 00:41:32,463
I went and visited
all those beautiful monuments
738
00:41:32,498 --> 00:41:34,548
to our national idealism.
739
00:41:39,756 --> 00:41:43,140
Everywhere I went...
740
00:41:43,176 --> 00:41:46,761
there were homeless people,
people asking for money.
741
00:41:50,733 --> 00:41:53,567
And I thought, "Wow.
742
00:41:53,603 --> 00:42:00,858
'Government of the people,
by the people, for the people.'"
743
00:42:00,910 --> 00:42:02,777
It's heartbreaking.
744
00:42:02,829 --> 00:42:04,578
I'm not ashamed to say I cried.
745
00:42:09,452 --> 00:42:13,170
Here we are in Washington DC,
probably the single most
746
00:42:13,206 --> 00:42:16,958
affluent metropolitan area
in the entire country.
747
00:42:17,010 --> 00:42:18,843
At the same time,
748
00:42:18,878 --> 00:42:21,629
a community with a gaping
wound at its heart.
749
00:42:28,021 --> 00:42:29,971
Thank you so much.
750
00:42:29,973 --> 00:42:31,222
Good to be here.
751
00:42:31,274 --> 00:42:34,025
I remember the
first time I met him.
752
00:42:34,060 --> 00:42:37,728
Mark was like,
"I'm really disappointed in this scene."
753
00:42:37,780 --> 00:42:39,030
And we're like,
"Who the fuck are you?"
754
00:42:40,366 --> 00:42:43,034
"I'm Mark Andersen.
Punk activist from Montana."
755
00:42:43,069 --> 00:42:47,872
Mark Andersen is really earnest,
756
00:42:47,907 --> 00:42:49,490
and he loves everyone.
757
00:42:49,492 --> 00:42:52,793
And he wants good
for the planet
758
00:42:52,829 --> 00:42:54,328
and will fight for that.
759
00:42:54,330 --> 00:42:57,665
Everything I believed in Montana
about punk rock was a lie.
760
00:42:57,717 --> 00:43:00,668
You want the truth,
you don't want fucking lies.
761
00:43:02,839 --> 00:43:05,506
That's kind of how I felt.
762
00:43:06,809 --> 00:43:09,393
One of the very first signs
that made me feel
763
00:43:09,429 --> 00:43:12,730
like I had some brothers
and sisters in this scene
764
00:43:12,765 --> 00:43:15,149
was a little cassette tape
I picked up
765
00:43:15,184 --> 00:43:18,102
at Smash! Records
in Georgetown.
766
00:43:18,154 --> 00:43:19,570
A band called
Mission Impossible.
767
00:43:25,695 --> 00:43:27,361
I remember Dave being just like
768
00:43:27,363 --> 00:43:28,746
the most insane drummer
I'd ever seen.
769
00:43:31,334 --> 00:43:33,834
When I listened to the tape,
770
00:43:33,870 --> 00:43:35,703
I was like,
"I have to find these guys."
771
00:43:35,705 --> 00:43:39,340
And then he fucking, like,
buys a demo tape of my band
772
00:43:39,375 --> 00:43:41,258
and comes over
to our rehearsal space.
773
00:43:41,294 --> 00:43:43,210
- Really?
- Yes!
774
00:43:43,262 --> 00:43:44,845
I think I was 16.
775
00:43:44,881 --> 00:43:46,097
What I discovered
776
00:43:46,132 --> 00:43:49,934
was a window into a
universe of possibilities.
777
00:43:49,969 --> 00:43:52,219
When Mark Andersen
came to Washington, DC,
778
00:43:52,221 --> 00:43:55,356
all of a sudden we were
going to protests
779
00:43:55,391 --> 00:43:57,058
in front of the
South African embassy.
780
00:43:57,110 --> 00:44:00,945
This whole thing called
"Revolution Summer" was building.
781
00:44:00,980 --> 00:44:02,313
There was definitely
782
00:44:02,365 --> 00:44:04,448
a lot of political awareness
developing
783
00:44:04,484 --> 00:44:06,067
with a lot of the people
in the music scene.
784
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:09,036
Sort of the politics of, "Well,
the world's a little bigger
785
00:44:09,072 --> 00:44:11,038
than just our little subsect
of people
786
00:44:11,074 --> 00:44:13,791
and maybe we should care
about that."
787
00:44:13,826 --> 00:44:16,243
Revolution Summer
all came together
788
00:44:16,245 --> 00:44:18,212
in the mind and the heart
of Amy Pickering
789
00:44:18,247 --> 00:44:20,297
over at National
Planning Council.
790
00:44:20,333 --> 00:44:24,385
The NPC had a summer program
791
00:44:24,420 --> 00:44:27,338
to keep teens engaged
or something.
792
00:44:27,390 --> 00:44:30,257
Somehow I fell into this job.
793
00:44:30,259 --> 00:44:32,426
And I hired all of my friends
794
00:44:32,478 --> 00:44:34,228
to come work there, too.
795
00:44:34,263 --> 00:44:36,397
But I'm not sure
what we did all day.
796
00:44:36,432 --> 00:44:37,681
It was very straightforward.
797
00:44:37,733 --> 00:44:40,067
Mostly what they were doing
was fucking around
798
00:44:40,103 --> 00:44:43,104
and getting paid for it.
799
00:44:43,106 --> 00:44:45,406
We started making ransom notes.
800
00:44:45,441 --> 00:44:48,109
I remember seeing
flyers around Washington, DC
801
00:44:48,161 --> 00:44:50,778
that said
"Revolution Summer."
802
00:44:50,830 --> 00:44:52,746
There were a lot of things
803
00:44:52,782 --> 00:44:55,416
like apartheid
that we thought were wrong
804
00:44:55,451 --> 00:44:57,785
and we should be
actually acting against.
805
00:44:57,837 --> 00:44:59,620
She was watching TV one day,
806
00:44:59,672 --> 00:45:01,372
and she saw pictures
from South Africa
807
00:45:01,424 --> 00:45:04,041
and the incredible courage
808
00:45:04,093 --> 00:45:06,460
of folks rising up
against apartheid.
809
00:45:06,462 --> 00:45:09,547
But apartheid looked like a
system that would never fall.
810
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:13,467
That's how strong the South
African white regime was.
811
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:16,520
But what struck Amy
was the youth
812
00:45:16,556 --> 00:45:20,641
of many of the protesters,
and their courage.
813
00:45:20,693 --> 00:45:24,278
She was watching this and all of a sudden,
she started feeling ashamed.
814
00:45:24,313 --> 00:45:28,282
The idea that we should act
for the greater good
815
00:45:28,317 --> 00:45:31,819
outside of our own issues
in our community
816
00:45:31,871 --> 00:45:35,906
inspired me and a number
of other people to say,
817
00:45:35,958 --> 00:45:40,211
"This is Revolution Summer.
Let's do something about this."
818
00:45:40,246 --> 00:45:42,463
Spring ended today.
819
00:45:42,498 --> 00:45:44,748
And the Revolution Summer
began today.
820
00:45:46,169 --> 00:45:49,503
One of the ways to
draw the community together
821
00:45:49,505 --> 00:45:51,922
was to have shows.
822
00:45:51,974 --> 00:45:53,841
I feel like half or more
of the shows that happened
823
00:45:53,893 --> 00:45:56,560
a few years running there
were all Positive Force shows.
824
00:46:01,934 --> 00:46:04,351
Seeing the gigs
go from 50 people
825
00:46:04,353 --> 00:46:06,520
to 5,000 people
826
00:46:06,522 --> 00:46:09,323
and all of them connected
by this message,
827
00:46:09,358 --> 00:46:11,158
I guarantee you that the people
828
00:46:11,194 --> 00:46:13,360
that were at these shows
were inspired
829
00:46:13,412 --> 00:46:16,197
to go on and do something
with their lives
830
00:46:16,249 --> 00:46:18,332
because of Positive Force.
831
00:46:18,367 --> 00:46:21,869
It was the idealism
of Washington, DC,
832
00:46:21,871 --> 00:46:24,421
it was also
the idealism of punk rock.
833
00:46:24,457 --> 00:46:29,126
And Positive Force, for me,
was a way to live out all of that.
834
00:46:32,765 --> 00:46:34,014
I remember going
835
00:46:34,050 --> 00:46:37,434
to the local
punk rock record store
836
00:46:37,470 --> 00:46:40,054
and finding the Scream album,
837
00:46:40,056 --> 00:46:41,722
"Still Screaming."
838
00:46:41,774 --> 00:46:44,725
There was a PO box address,
839
00:46:44,727 --> 00:46:46,810
and it was
from Falls Church, Virginia,
840
00:46:46,862 --> 00:46:50,948
which was only two miles
from where I lived.
841
00:46:50,983 --> 00:46:55,653
Scream became one of my
favorite bands in the world.
842
00:46:55,705 --> 00:47:00,324
Not just from my neighborhood,
but in the world.
843
00:47:02,245 --> 00:47:05,713
So, when I saw a flyer
in our local music store
844
00:47:05,748 --> 00:47:07,414
that they were
looking for a drummer,
845
00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:11,919
I immediately called
that phone number.
846
00:47:11,921 --> 00:47:14,672
We needed to find a drummer
because our drummer
847
00:47:14,724 --> 00:47:16,390
was getting ready
to have his first kid
848
00:47:16,425 --> 00:47:17,641
and he didn't wanna
go on tour anymore.
849
00:47:17,677 --> 00:47:20,094
I was still in
fucking high school.
850
00:47:20,096 --> 00:47:22,730
I couldn't imagine being
the drummer of Scream.
851
00:47:22,765 --> 00:47:25,516
I was just in that moment,
852
00:47:25,568 --> 00:47:27,935
jamming with my heroes.
853
00:47:35,611 --> 00:47:38,829
When he abruptly left
to join Scream,
854
00:47:38,864 --> 00:47:40,948
I understood why Dave did it.
855
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:42,700
Besides the fact
that they were his heroes,
856
00:47:42,752 --> 00:47:44,785
he just wanted to tour
and go out.
857
00:47:44,787 --> 00:47:47,171
Just be in a band that's
working and on the road.
858
00:47:49,959 --> 00:47:53,177
My first show with Scream
was a Positive Force benefit
859
00:47:53,212 --> 00:47:55,129
for Amnesty International.
860
00:47:55,131 --> 00:47:57,131
And it was triumphant.
861
00:47:57,133 --> 00:47:58,265
Great show.
862
00:47:58,301 --> 00:48:00,134
I remember it.
I remember it well.
863
00:48:04,140 --> 00:48:06,857
I remember the show.
864
00:48:06,892 --> 00:48:10,311
The band and audience
all marched up the street.
865
00:48:10,363 --> 00:48:12,279
Everyone brought a drum
866
00:48:12,315 --> 00:48:14,281
and we stood across the street
867
00:48:14,317 --> 00:48:15,816
from the South African embassy
868
00:48:15,868 --> 00:48:19,236
and played as loud as we could.
869
00:48:19,288 --> 00:48:21,488
We were protesting apartheid,
870
00:48:21,490 --> 00:48:24,541
which made you feel
like a human being,
871
00:48:24,577 --> 00:48:28,379
but you also felt like the
luckiest person in the world
872
00:48:28,414 --> 00:48:32,166
because your hero
from your favorite local band
873
00:48:32,168 --> 00:48:35,502
was standing next to you
with his drum
874
00:48:35,504 --> 00:48:38,806
and we were all
doing it together.
875
00:48:38,841 --> 00:48:40,641
It was about us
876
00:48:40,676 --> 00:48:43,477
as a community taking action.
877
00:48:45,181 --> 00:48:48,515
Mark took the sentiment
of Revolution Summer
878
00:48:48,517 --> 00:48:51,819
and put it into action.
879
00:48:51,854 --> 00:48:53,854
You were challenging
the world and yourself
880
00:48:53,856 --> 00:48:55,739
to do something really hard.
881
00:48:56,942 --> 00:49:00,527
Which is to live out
these glorious dreams.
882
00:49:00,579 --> 00:49:03,330
Dreams that we like
to put on monuments...
883
00:49:03,366 --> 00:49:06,200
and then kind of forget about.
884
00:49:06,252 --> 00:49:09,286
You could never
live them out alone.
885
00:49:09,338 --> 00:49:10,704
And by the time you came along,
886
00:49:10,756 --> 00:49:12,339
there was like, a scene, right?
887
00:49:12,375 --> 00:49:14,208
You could go fucking see
how many bands?
888
00:49:14,260 --> 00:49:16,960
It was just like, a reality.
889
00:49:17,012 --> 00:49:19,797
It didn't exist
five years earlier than that.
890
00:49:19,849 --> 00:49:21,014
When you were young,
891
00:49:21,050 --> 00:49:23,350
did you know much about
the local music scene?
892
00:49:25,221 --> 00:49:26,603
When I was in my first band,
893
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:28,389
I was obsessed with finding out
894
00:49:28,391 --> 00:49:31,058
about everything
from Dischord and DC hardcore
895
00:49:31,060 --> 00:49:33,143
and, like,
we respect it so much.
896
00:49:33,195 --> 00:49:36,397
But I just remember everyone
was following that model
897
00:49:36,449 --> 00:49:38,148
and making their own CDs
and passing 'em around.
898
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,234
We learned from that.
899
00:49:40,236 --> 00:49:42,069
You know,
we started doing that ourselves.
900
00:49:42,071 --> 00:49:44,121
The way that like,
record labels work
901
00:49:44,156 --> 00:49:46,707
like an antiquated process,
902
00:49:46,742 --> 00:49:48,459
it slowed that band up.
903
00:49:48,494 --> 00:49:50,077
I think that they're
on their way,
904
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:51,211
it's just that
905
00:49:51,247 --> 00:49:53,547
they've got to go
touch the people, man.
906
00:49:53,582 --> 00:49:58,385
Figure out who you are and establish
a rapport with your group
907
00:49:59,922 --> 00:50:02,506
of people.
908
00:50:02,558 --> 00:50:07,428
Music, it takes a
certain amount of willpower.
909
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:09,263
Not only us,
any band in this town.
910
00:50:10,933 --> 00:50:12,683
We was, like,
recording this music, man.
911
00:50:12,735 --> 00:50:14,735
We was putting out music
like every other week.
912
00:50:14,770 --> 00:50:17,438
And the music was like,
spreading like a disease.
913
00:50:17,490 --> 00:50:19,189
The DIY thing carries through
914
00:50:19,241 --> 00:50:21,442
a lot of different
music scenes in DC.
915
00:50:21,444 --> 00:50:23,694
I'm sure you've experienced this
where you run into some guy
916
00:50:23,746 --> 00:50:26,830
who's like a jazz guy
or some funk player.
917
00:50:26,866 --> 00:50:29,783
You're from the punk scene
and you guys relate
918
00:50:29,835 --> 00:50:31,168
in a way that's very...
919
00:50:31,203 --> 00:50:33,787
A Washington, DC-like
language.
920
00:50:33,789 --> 00:50:36,290
I saw a real parallel
with the go-go thing,
921
00:50:36,342 --> 00:50:37,708
but never could connect
with them,
922
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,343
'cause they were
a totally different world.
923
00:50:39,378 --> 00:50:42,713
And then we decided, like,
"We should play with Trouble Funk."
924
00:50:42,765 --> 00:50:45,382
They headlined,
we opened for them.
925
00:50:45,434 --> 00:50:48,051
Big Boys, Minor Threat,
Trouble Funk.
926
00:50:48,103 --> 00:50:50,103
Trouble Funk were
interested in it,
927
00:50:50,139 --> 00:50:51,472
'cause they heard
about the punk scene.
928
00:50:51,474 --> 00:50:54,274
We were into it,
'cause we loved the go-go thing.
929
00:50:54,310 --> 00:50:56,643
Then there's
these punk-funk shows.
930
00:50:56,695 --> 00:50:57,945
Yeah.
931
00:50:57,980 --> 00:51:01,532
They both are like,
two underground type of sounds.
932
00:51:03,402 --> 00:51:05,235
And it just goes together.
You know what I'm sayin'?
933
00:51:05,287 --> 00:51:07,738
We got there...
This is real culture clashing.
934
00:51:07,790 --> 00:51:08,906
I remember again,
Minor Threat playing
935
00:51:08,958 --> 00:51:10,290
and just looking out
at the soundboard,
936
00:51:10,326 --> 00:51:11,825
seeing all the
Trouble Funk guys,
937
00:51:11,877 --> 00:51:13,494
just going like...
938
00:51:13,546 --> 00:51:15,662
Look at us like, "What the...?"
Like laughing and pointing.
939
00:51:15,664 --> 00:51:19,132
It was pretty amazing,
I gotta say.
940
00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:41,989
Where the real power is...
941
00:51:42,024 --> 00:51:44,324
The real revolution,
if you will,
942
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,994
is simply getting people
943
00:51:47,029 --> 00:51:51,365
who otherwise might never
encounter each other,
944
00:51:51,367 --> 00:51:54,117
to know each other.
945
00:51:54,169 --> 00:51:55,786
Man, we should get
together and do something
946
00:51:55,838 --> 00:51:58,956
- like a go-go/rock project.
- Tony, I'd love to.
947
00:51:59,008 --> 00:52:00,457
I think it'd be so much fun,
man.
948
00:52:00,509 --> 00:52:04,211
It'd sure be nice to do some
of them big money shows, man,
949
00:52:04,263 --> 00:52:06,680
with the Foo Fighters
and stuff.
950
00:52:08,133 --> 00:52:10,300
Welcome...
951
00:52:10,352 --> 00:52:13,554
to Big Tony's birthday bash!
Everybody ready?
952
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:18,692
One of the best things
about growing up in this area
953
00:52:18,727 --> 00:52:21,895
is the fuckin' music
and you know that's true.
954
00:52:23,521 --> 00:52:26,984
If it weren't for Washington, DC
and the music scene here,
955
00:52:27,036 --> 00:52:29,903
I wouldn't be standing up here
with a mic right now.
956
00:52:33,576 --> 00:52:35,576
What we've done
is we've put together
957
00:52:35,628 --> 00:52:37,661
an evening of entertainment
958
00:52:37,713 --> 00:52:41,048
that celebrates generations
of Washington, DC musicians...
959
00:52:41,083 --> 00:52:44,301
People that have inspired
the next to go on
960
00:52:44,336 --> 00:52:46,837
and do better things
and keep the tradition alive.
961
00:52:46,889 --> 00:52:50,390
And I consider myself
a Washington DC musician.
962
00:52:50,426 --> 00:52:54,595
For life, no matter where I am.
963
00:52:54,597 --> 00:52:57,431
Just so you know,
it's gonna be a long fuckin' night.
964
00:53:05,107 --> 00:53:08,609
The experiences that
I had here in this city
965
00:53:08,611 --> 00:53:12,946
from the age of 14 years old
966
00:53:12,948 --> 00:53:15,616
set this foundation
967
00:53:15,668 --> 00:53:19,252
for the rest of my life
as a musician.
968
00:53:19,288 --> 00:53:21,788
The community,
969
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,374
the support,
970
00:53:24,426 --> 00:53:26,843
the love
971
00:53:26,879 --> 00:53:29,963
that was here
in the DC music scene
972
00:53:32,518 --> 00:53:36,970
has carried over
into what I do now.
973
00:53:48,317 --> 00:53:51,451
The way the Foo Fighters
work as a band,
974
00:53:51,487 --> 00:53:53,654
we're like a family.
975
00:53:56,542 --> 00:54:00,827
And we try to treat
everyone that way.
976
00:54:00,829 --> 00:54:04,998
I honestly feel
like that comes from Ian,
977
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,000
that comes from Dischord
Records,
978
00:54:07,052 --> 00:54:13,507
Don Zientara and all of the
bands I saw when I was young.
979
00:54:15,344 --> 00:54:19,062
The message wasn't
"We were rock stars
980
00:54:19,098 --> 00:54:22,315
and we are better than you,"
981
00:54:22,351 --> 00:54:24,685
the message was that
"We're people
982
00:54:24,687 --> 00:54:27,020
and we're all
in this together."
983
00:54:29,074 --> 00:54:31,274
I got that from Washington, DC.
984
00:54:31,326 --> 00:54:33,443
And it makes its way
into our music.
985
00:54:36,758 --> 00:54:39,341
_
986
00:54:45,707 --> 00:54:47,985
_
987
00:54:48,008 --> 00:54:50,791
_
988
00:54:50,815 --> 00:54:53,597
_
989
00:54:53,615 --> 00:54:56,433
_
990
00:54:56,456 --> 00:55:00,431
_
991
00:55:02,001 --> 00:55:04,734
_
992
00:55:04,758 --> 00:55:07,538
_
993
00:55:07,561 --> 00:55:10,333
_
994
00:55:10,356 --> 00:55:13,151
_
995
00:55:13,162 --> 00:55:15,932
_
996
00:55:15,957 --> 00:55:18,754
_
997
00:55:20,426 --> 00:55:22,915
_
998
00:55:24,089 --> 00:55:28,173
_
999
00:55:28,636 --> 00:55:31,255
_
1000
00:55:31,795 --> 00:55:35,294
_
1001
00:55:35,314 --> 00:55:38,085
_
1002
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:40,833
_
1003
00:55:40,852 --> 00:55:43,610
_
1004
00:55:43,634 --> 00:55:46,633
_
1005
00:55:46,652 --> 00:55:49,093
_
1006
00:55:49,118 --> 00:55:51,841
_
1007
00:55:51,865 --> 00:55:54,588
_
1008
00:55:54,613 --> 00:55:57,351
_
1009
00:55:57,372 --> 00:56:00,099
_
1010
00:56:00,117 --> 00:56:03,210
_
1011
00:56:03,229 --> 00:56:05,812
_
1012
00:56:05,834 --> 00:56:08,417
_
1013
00:56:08,441 --> 00:56:12,609
_
1014
00:56:13,842 --> 00:56:18,175
_
1015
00:56:18,190 --> 00:56:20,908
_
1016
00:56:21,656 --> 00:56:25,259
_
1017
00:56:36,058 --> 00:56:40,182
_
1018
00:56:40,206 --> 00:56:43,120
_
1019
00:56:43,141 --> 00:56:46,447
_
1020
00:56:46,471 --> 00:56:49,198
_
1021
00:56:49,222 --> 00:56:51,793
_
1022
00:56:51,817 --> 00:56:57,109
_
1023
00:56:58,046 --> 00:57:03,224
_
1024
00:57:11,776 --> 00:57:15,979
_
1025
00:57:17,188 --> 00:57:21,018
_
1026
00:57:21,465 --> 00:57:24,870
_
1027
00:57:24,894 --> 00:57:28,059
_
1028
00:57:28,082 --> 00:57:32,313
_
1029
00:57:32,335 --> 00:57:35,414
_
1030
00:57:35,437 --> 00:57:38,680
_
1031
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:41,415
_
1032
00:57:41,432 --> 00:57:44,121
_
1033
00:57:44,144 --> 00:57:48,597
_
1034
00:57:50,315 --> 00:57:54,348
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1035
00:58:19,780 --> 00:58:23,626
Sync, corrected by icephoenix
1036
00:58:27,653 --> 00:58:30,245
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79669
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