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- I need EMS.
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I have a man hanging
from a swing set.
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- If you knew in your heart
and in your mind
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that someone took
your child's life,
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how far would you go
to get to the truth?
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- We sat there with no answers,
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and then they tell my mom
it was suicide.
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- Was there more to the story?
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This doesn't make sense.
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Law enforcement did not do
their job adequately.
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- Honestly, it looked like
it was a display,
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like it was a back-in-the-day
lynching.
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- This community has a right
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to demand more investigation!
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female narrator:
Filmmaker Jacqueline Olive
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explores how the legacy
of racial terrorism
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still haunts us today.
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- If you were black and alive,
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you were always at risk
to be killed.
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- That isn't ancient history.
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A lot of the people
involved in lynchings,
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they're still around today.
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- If together we face
that history,
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it leads to a dialogue;
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it leads to an opening
for reconciliation.
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narrator: "Always in Season,"
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now only on Independent Lens.
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[dramatic music]
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♪
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[insects chirping]
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- Well, Lennon was about
18 months here.
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Almost two.
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This is Lennon,
the oldest.
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Young uncle.
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Think about it as if it was
your son or your daughter.
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If you knew in your heart
and in your mind
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that someone
took your child's life,
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and everything
that you've done
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that's humanly possible,
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they've taken it and
twisted it and turned it.
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How far would you go
to get to the truth?
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How soon would you let it go?
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Neighborhood is supposed to be
a connection
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of your extended family.
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Someone in your family
gets hurt, you hurt.
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And until this wound
is fixed and heals,
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this neighborhood
will always hurt
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and always be a open wound.
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[mournful humming music]
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♪
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[phone dialing, line trilling]
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♪
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[retches] Oh, God.
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[retching]
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[solemn music]
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♪
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- If you read the accounts
of lynching,
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the acts themselves
were so horrifying
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that they became a kind
of internal story
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of so many communities.
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And yet, like children,
we still hope and pray
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that it's far enough
in the past
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that maybe we never
have to talk about it.
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♪
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- This report is published
with the hope
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that its sheer sadism
and abnormal cruelty
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may stir thoughtful
Americans to action.
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If this report does not do so,
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we fear that the situation
is hopeless.
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- We have the Moore's Ford
lynching from 1946,
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and no one has been charged.
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And you mean to tell me,
after all these years,
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no one will speak up?
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That angers me.
Somebody knows something.
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♪
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- I think
that he was murdered.
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I think they hung him up
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to make it look
like a suicide.
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A group of people
in this area,
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some of 'em are all for
a good show of a lynching.
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- It makes you realize that
things like that still happen.
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We might not see them
all the time,
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but they still happen.
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[dog barking and snarling]
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- I grew up here.
This has always been home.
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It has sort of
a Andy Griffith feel.
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A lot of the people
are country folks
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and have a laid-back attitude.
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I've been in many places
around the country
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where there's
big cities and towns,
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and I like
the small-town atmosphere
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simply because
it's a slower pace.
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[nostalgic music]
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♪
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In my growing-up time,
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Cotton mill
was the main employer,
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but were closed down
by the 1980s.
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It was a farming town as well.
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- Who's glad to be part of the
Annual Bladenboro Beast Fest?
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[cheers and applause]
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- I don't know if you've heard
of the "Beast of Bladenboro,"
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but they have a festival
for that.
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It's based on a legend.
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- In 1954,
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some kind of animal
killed a number of pets
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and some livestock
in the area--
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a figure in the dark.
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The artist's conception
is something--
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almost a human-like,
cat-like combination.
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- You notice about
the Beast of Bladenboro,
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you don't ever see
black people in that stuff.
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That's a myth
that was perpetrated
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by our light-skinned brothers
and sisters.
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The Beast has always
been black,
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and black people always had
a problem with that.
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- We went with a black cat
because that's the way
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it had always been portrayed
in the old articles.
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It--you know,
the--the killer cat.
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You know, the black cat.
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It was supposed to be coming
out of the swamp
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up into the edge of town.
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Everybody wanted to be the one
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to get their picture
in the newspapers
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that they captured the Beast.
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- And then, you know,
they call it
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the "Swamp in the Quarters"
down there for a reason.
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That's based upon
that slave term, there,
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from the slave quarters.
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And here in Bladenboro,
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most of the African Americans
live in this particular area.
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- So right here,
there was a cleaners,
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and right here was
a little feed store.
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They done changed it now.
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All these places
that I'm telling you,
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you knew where you could come
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and what time
that your place was.
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You know,
the first part of the morning
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was mostly the business time,
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and the white people
come first,
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and then the black people came.
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- We had it hard coming up.
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We all have our skeletons,
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but honey,
Bladenboro got skeletons
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that, if you open the door,
they will scare you to death.
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Some things that you see,
you keep it to yourself.
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You will live longer.
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- I haven't experienced any,
uh, personal racial division.
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Everybody gets along.
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Of course,
we do have the young man
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that was found hanging here
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in Bladenboro
a couple of years ago.
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Lennon Lacy was found hanging
from a swing near his home,
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I think,
is the way the story went.
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Most people just don't know
what happened there.
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- All right, I'm gonna take you
by the cemetery
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where Lennon's in.
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This here is my grandmother
and my grandfather,
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Ed and Benjamin Lacy.
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And that's my uncle.
He was a brickmason.
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And down here...
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This is Lennon's grave,
right here.
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That's Lennon's grave.
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[sorrowful music]
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♪
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- I'm playing basketball.
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- Is your brother showing you
how to play?
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- No.
I already know how to play.
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Mm-hmm.
- Okay.
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- I'm good at it.
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- Okay.
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♪
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Lennon would've never
wanted me to not know
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what happened to him.
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You know, he would want me
to have some type of closure
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because we were very close.
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Told my son there was nothing
too insignificant
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that you can't tell me.
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I know everything
about your body,
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everything about you.
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all: Give us, Lord,
our daily bread. Amen.
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- For them to say
what they did,
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as far as he had taken his
own life,
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I couldn't see that.
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He had too much to live for.
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Too much.
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And I just want justice
and closure.
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Last time I talked to Lennon
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was the day
that we buried my uncle.
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So we all came back here.
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After the funeral,
Lennon was dressed down.
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He had on
his dark-blue sweatpants,
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a sports jersey with "Bladen"
on the front of it,
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and his tennis shoes stuck out
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because they were
that neon green,
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but that's the color he wanted
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because he had a hat
that it matched, too,
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'cause he bought
the whole outfit.
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The hat, the pants, and the
shirt, and the shoes matched.
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I said, "Well, I'm gonna
go head to bed
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'cause I'm tired and
don't feel too good. So..."
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Lennon was like, "I got to
finish hanging out my things
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for a football game tomorrow."
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So he kissed me
on the forehead.
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I said, "Don't forget to take
that stuff off the line,"
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and I went to bed.
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And that was the last time
I talked to Lennon.
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In the morning, I was talking
to my sister over the phone
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because she was
checking in on me.
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I happened to glance
out the window,
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and I said,
"Lennon's done left his jersey
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and his support socks
on the clothesline."
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She said,
"Well, I'ma let you go."
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She--"'Cause I know you got to
run to the schoolhouse
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and drop off his things."
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And there was a knock
at the door.
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Chief Hunt
is on the other side.
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He let me know
that I needed to go with him.
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I got in my vehicle, and I
followed him over to the park.
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There was a crowd of people
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standing on the side
of the road,
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and I noticed
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that the police was rolling up
crime scene yellow tape
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from around one
of the swing sets.
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The State Bureau
investigator told me
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that I needed to see
if this was my son.
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I go up the three steps,
sit on the back of the EMT.
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I got close--as close
as you could get
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other than laying
on top of his body--
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to look and see and feel
and touch and smell his body.
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And I rubbed his face.
I rubbed his chest...
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and I just looked
at him with amaze
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'cause I was literally...
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disbelief...
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that it--you know,
his lifeless body was there,
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and I just saw him
a couple of hours prior.
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♪
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It was unreal...
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like I was
watching a bad movie
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and it was never gonna end.
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And from that point on,
it became a blur to me.
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and I tried to allow
my family members--
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other family members--
to deal with the police.
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I couldn't deal with any more
than what I was dealing with.
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I just couldn't.
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- At the time, I was working
in Stafford, Virginia.
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And then my supervisor
is like,
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"Hey, you got a phone call."
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And my godbrother was...
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he was telling me,
"They found Lennon."
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I said, "'They?' Who're 'they'?
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And what are you
talking about?"
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He was like,
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"They found him dead.
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They say he hung himself.
He committed suicide."
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He wouldn't do nothing
like that.
257
00:15:00,566 --> 00:15:05,400
I just--you know, I just
saw him a couple weeks ago.
258
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That wasn't on his mind.
259
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I started crying.
260
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I was--I wanted to stop
crying, but I couldn't.
261
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I cried from my job
all the way to my mom's house.
262
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When I walked in the house,
I was just--I saw my mom.
263
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I'm like...
264
00:15:27,566 --> 00:15:30,366
"How?
265
00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,566
How did this happen?" You know?
266
00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:38,233
And she--she couldn't--
she couldn't really--
267
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she couldn't even really look
at me because she was so hurt.
268
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And it hadn't--you know,
I didn't take nothing personal.
269
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It just hurt me to know
that she was that hurt.
270
00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:55,300
And I couldn't imagine what was
going on through her mind
271
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when she had to go out there...
272
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and see him like that.
273
00:16:01,866 --> 00:16:05,366
And then they tell her
274
00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,900
she don't know
what she talkin' about.
275
00:16:07,933 --> 00:16:10,366
"He did this to himself."
276
00:16:12,333 --> 00:16:18,533
And you gonna force-feed a lie
to my whole entire family
277
00:16:18,566 --> 00:16:21,566
and make us think we're crazy?
278
00:16:24,766 --> 00:16:27,100
It looked like...
279
00:16:27,133 --> 00:16:29,600
honestly, it looked
like it was a display,
280
00:16:29,633 --> 00:16:31,966
like it was a message,
281
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,666
like it was a--
a back-in-the-day lynching.
282
00:16:34,700 --> 00:16:38,366
Like, that's what it--
that's how it made me feel.
283
00:16:39,866 --> 00:16:41,600
That's how it made me feel.
284
00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:48,366
[mournful humming music]
285
00:16:51,633 --> 00:16:57,466
♪
286
00:16:57,500 --> 00:17:01,833
- Lynching as a form
of racial terrorism
287
00:17:01,866 --> 00:17:04,533
is a very particular thing.
288
00:17:04,566 --> 00:17:07,266
♪
289
00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:09,866
And that really began
after the Civil War
290
00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:13,033
during
the Reconstruction period
291
00:17:13,066 --> 00:17:16,300
when newly emancipated slaves
were making political gains,
292
00:17:16,333 --> 00:17:19,900
economic gains,
educational gains.
293
00:17:19,933 --> 00:17:22,600
Between the 1890s and 1960,
294
00:17:22,633 --> 00:17:25,766
there were about 5,000
lynchings in the United States,
295
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most of them
of African American men,
296
00:17:27,566 --> 00:17:29,000
although there were
a few dozen cases
297
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of African American women.
298
00:17:32,033 --> 00:17:34,000
Mostly they did happen
in the South,
299
00:17:34,033 --> 00:17:38,233
but they happened all over
throughout the United States.
300
00:17:38,266 --> 00:17:41,266
And lynchings very often
involved hangings,
301
00:17:41,300 --> 00:17:44,200
very often involved shooting,
302
00:17:44,233 --> 00:17:49,100
but also burning, including
burning alive, of victims.
303
00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:53,766
But it really was
the character of the murder
304
00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,333
that made it a lynching.
305
00:17:56,366 --> 00:17:59,366
Those who were involved in the
lynching perceived themselves
306
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,000
as having the right
to do this,
307
00:18:02,033 --> 00:18:04,233
and that's why it's most
often done openly
308
00:18:04,266 --> 00:18:06,100
and notoriously
309
00:18:06,133 --> 00:18:09,300
with the participation
of average people...
310
00:18:10,933 --> 00:18:13,900
Not just to punish
the individual person,
311
00:18:13,933 --> 00:18:17,600
but as a symbol, as a sign
to the larger community--
312
00:18:17,633 --> 00:18:20,633
both the white community
and the black community.
313
00:18:20,666 --> 00:18:23,133
Lynching was a message crime.
314
00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,333
Sometimes they happened
in the woods,
315
00:18:26,366 --> 00:18:27,833
but most often,
316
00:18:27,866 --> 00:18:31,133
they happened in places where
the body would be seen,
317
00:18:31,166 --> 00:18:36,066
sometimes in a crowd of
10 or 15,000 spectators.
318
00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:37,800
And it's the public nature
of lynching
319
00:18:37,833 --> 00:18:41,066
that really condemns
the white community
320
00:18:41,100 --> 00:18:43,833
because the idea that people
didn't know...
321
00:18:43,866 --> 00:18:47,766
They did know.
322
00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:54,833
♪
323
00:19:13,533 --> 00:19:16,700
- "At sundown, the negro
will be taken
324
00:19:16,733 --> 00:19:19,400
"to the farm
two miles from here
325
00:19:19,433 --> 00:19:24,300
"where Miss Lola Cannady,
the murder victim, lived.
326
00:19:24,333 --> 00:19:30,066
"There he will be mutilated
by the girl's father.
327
00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:34,100
"Then he will be brought
to the pigpen and murdered
328
00:19:34,133 --> 00:19:37,800
"where the girl's body
was found.
329
00:19:37,833 --> 00:19:42,100
"Finally his body will be
brought to the county seat
330
00:19:42,133 --> 00:19:43,866
"nine miles from here
331
00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:49,200
"and hung in the courthouse
square for all to see.
332
00:19:49,233 --> 00:19:53,533
All white folks
are invited to the party."
333
00:19:55,833 --> 00:19:59,366
♪
334
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,433
[overlapping chatter]
335
00:20:18,933 --> 00:20:21,266
- We want that nigger, Roger!
336
00:20:21,300 --> 00:20:23,333
Now! Get him out!
337
00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:27,500
- Get out of the car, nigger!
338
00:20:27,533 --> 00:20:28,833
[men shouting]
339
00:20:28,866 --> 00:20:30,600
Who do you think you are?
340
00:20:30,633 --> 00:20:34,366
[overlapping shouting]
341
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,766
- Take him down!
342
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,233
- [wailing] Why are you
doing this to me?
343
00:20:38,266 --> 00:20:39,866
What are you doing?
344
00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:41,800
[shouting continues,
blows land]
345
00:20:41,833 --> 00:20:43,633
- Please! Don't hurt us!
346
00:20:43,666 --> 00:20:46,333
We didn't do nothing!
We didn't do nothing!
347
00:20:47,766 --> 00:20:51,966
We didn't do nothing!
[screaming continues]
348
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,666
- Get the niggers tied up!
349
00:20:53,700 --> 00:20:55,633
- Please don't kill us!
350
00:20:55,666 --> 00:20:57,300
[screaming continues]
351
00:20:57,333 --> 00:20:58,566
All right.
Get your rifle--
352
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,000
get your guns ready.
353
00:21:01,033 --> 00:21:02,766
[shouting continues]
354
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,266
- Please!
- Please don't kill her.
355
00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:07,800
- Please don't kill me.
[crying] Please don't kill me.
356
00:21:07,833 --> 00:21:09,300
No! No!
357
00:21:09,333 --> 00:21:12,366
[gunshots fire]
358
00:21:13,700 --> 00:21:15,466
[wailing]
359
00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:19,133
- Make sure he's dead.
360
00:21:19,166 --> 00:21:20,533
- All right, one more time.
Come on.
361
00:21:20,566 --> 00:21:22,166
Let's make sure
that nigger's dead!
362
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,933
[gunfire continues]
363
00:21:24,966 --> 00:21:27,433
- The baby. Get the baby.
364
00:21:27,466 --> 00:21:30,066
- Cover me,
and we gonna back up.
365
00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:31,733
- And then open up
when she gets the baby.
366
00:21:31,766 --> 00:21:33,800
Open up.
367
00:21:35,433 --> 00:21:37,666
Open up.
- [grunts]
368
00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:39,700
- This good, boss?
- That's real good.
369
00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:41,700
[crowd gasps]
Real good.
370
00:21:44,533 --> 00:21:47,833
Lloyd, do you see anybody
you know here?
371
00:21:47,866 --> 00:21:51,533
I'm asking you.
You see anybody you know here?
372
00:21:51,566 --> 00:21:52,900
- No.
- That's what I thought.
373
00:21:52,933 --> 00:21:55,133
Get him out of here.
Get him the hell out of here.
374
00:22:02,333 --> 00:22:03,966
- [exhales heavily]
375
00:22:11,166 --> 00:22:13,966
Hmm.
376
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,633
I don't think
I've watched it since I did it.
377
00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:22,466
You can feel it out here.
378
00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:25,633
You can feel the spirit
of those that died out here
379
00:22:25,666 --> 00:22:27,666
when we came out and we did--
380
00:22:27,700 --> 00:22:30,600
you know,
did just the rehearsal.
381
00:22:30,633 --> 00:22:32,600
Just since I've been here
in this town,
382
00:22:32,633 --> 00:22:36,133
I see the way
that they look at you
383
00:22:36,166 --> 00:22:39,266
and the--this feeling of
384
00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:41,800
"Nobody should say anything.
We don't want to talk."
385
00:22:41,833 --> 00:22:43,733
You know.
"Let's not talk about this."
386
00:22:43,766 --> 00:22:46,866
- [crying]
387
00:22:57,733 --> 00:23:01,033
- Since 2005,
Civil Rights activists
388
00:23:01,066 --> 00:23:03,500
have returned
to the Moore's Ford Bridge
389
00:23:03,533 --> 00:23:06,400
to re-create the night
two black couples,
390
00:23:06,433 --> 00:23:08,266
Roger and Dorothy Malcom
391
00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:10,500
and George
and Mae Murray Dorsey,
392
00:23:10,533 --> 00:23:14,500
were lynched by
the Ku Klux Klan in 1946.
393
00:23:14,533 --> 00:23:15,766
No one has ever--
394
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,633
- An outraged
President Harry Truman
395
00:23:17,666 --> 00:23:19,266
ordered
a federal investigation
396
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:21,100
and a grand jury was convened,
397
00:23:21,133 --> 00:23:23,766
yet no indictments
were brought for the killings.
398
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,266
The FBI reopened
its case in 2007.
399
00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:28,733
Georgia state
representatives--
400
00:23:28,766 --> 00:23:31,300
- The reenactment serves
as a dramatic call to action
401
00:23:31,333 --> 00:23:34,000
and an annual reminder
to the Monroe community
402
00:23:34,033 --> 00:23:36,866
that an injustice
has never been corrected.
403
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:39,433
Chelsea Bailey, NBC News.
404
00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:45,100
- And this place is an eerie
place, you know?
405
00:23:45,133 --> 00:23:50,666
[chuckles] I didn't remember
until we came here today
406
00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:53,933
that we went up
under this bridge
407
00:23:53,966 --> 00:23:56,133
and there was writings
408
00:23:56,166 --> 00:23:58,766
that the Ku Klux Klanhad put under this--
409
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,700
under this very bridgethat we're standing on.
410
00:24:01,733 --> 00:24:03,300
- Wow.
411
00:24:03,333 --> 00:24:20,300
♪
412
00:24:20,333 --> 00:24:24,000
because I'm helping to,
- It m hopefully,l sad.
413
00:24:24,033 --> 00:24:28,533
bring some closure to what
happened with these families.
414
00:24:31,066 --> 00:24:34,000
It's intense just watching
the reenactment.
415
00:24:34,033 --> 00:24:36,166
It's intense thinking
about the fact
416
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,866
that it's getting ready
to happen again.
417
00:24:48,933 --> 00:24:51,166
- All right, one more time.
Sharice, I need you louder.
418
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,900
Sharice?
Action.
419
00:24:53,933 --> 00:24:55,533
- I don't care. I wanna know.This is my town.
420
00:24:55,566 --> 00:24:57,533
- I need you to stay. Please.
- I wanna know.
421
00:24:57,566 --> 00:24:59,566
- Nigger, what are you
doing on my land?
422
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,400
- You have been with my wife!
- Come on back.
423
00:25:01,433 --> 00:25:03,333
- You're a lying man!
- What is going on?
424
00:25:03,366 --> 00:25:05,033
- Nigger, get off my land.
425
00:25:05,066 --> 00:25:06,433
- I'll get off your land
when you--
426
00:25:06,466 --> 00:25:08,333
- Roger-- [screams]
427
00:25:08,366 --> 00:25:10,333
- Oh, you still hit him upthe back, but that's good.
428
00:25:10,366 --> 00:25:12,233
Okay. Good. Good.
429
00:25:12,266 --> 00:25:13,966
- You killed him.
430
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,400
- That's "Mr. Malcom" to you.
431
00:25:15,433 --> 00:25:17,966
Good. Okay.
You all right, Mr. Barney?
432
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,200
- Oh, yeah.
- [laughs]
433
00:25:19,233 --> 00:25:20,700
That was good. Look.
434
00:25:20,733 --> 00:25:22,833
They keep wanting to stab you
in your back, but it's okay.
435
00:25:22,866 --> 00:25:25,566
We'll get it in the front,
I think.
436
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,966
All right, so that's scene one.
We're going to the next scene.
437
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,600
I will be directing
438
00:25:30,633 --> 00:25:33,200
the Moore's Ford Bridge
lynching reenactment
439
00:25:33,233 --> 00:25:35,666
for my third year this year.
440
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:40,366
I've been doing plays for
about 10 or 11 years now.
441
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,866
It was all because
of social issues that I saw
442
00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:47,266
that needed to be addressed
that no one wanted to address,
443
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:50,566
and those are the issues
that I go for.
444
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,633
- Fire!
- [imitating gunfire]
445
00:25:54,666 --> 00:25:56,600
No more moving.
446
00:25:56,633 --> 00:25:59,333
It wasn't just
killing these people.
447
00:25:59,366 --> 00:26:01,400
It was overkill.
448
00:26:01,433 --> 00:26:03,700
They were shot so many times.
449
00:26:03,733 --> 00:26:06,833
Dorothy being pregnant
didn't matter.
450
00:26:06,866 --> 00:26:08,666
Pulls it up. Yep. "Got it."
451
00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:11,266
"Got it, boss." Down.
452
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:14,466
The baby was taken
out of her body.
453
00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:16,500
A baby.
454
00:26:16,533 --> 00:26:18,133
Out of a woman's body.
455
00:26:18,166 --> 00:26:20,866
Whether black, white...
456
00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:24,133
so we
really push that part
457
00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:28,600
so that they know
that this was some sick stuff.
458
00:26:28,633 --> 00:26:30,733
- Okay.
- All right, actors.
459
00:26:30,766 --> 00:26:33,166
How did y'all--how did y'all--
you all dead folk.
460
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,333
How do y'all feel about--
y'all get up.
461
00:26:40,133 --> 00:26:43,033
This year, we're trying
to bring in more actors
462
00:26:43,066 --> 00:26:44,733
to play Klansmen.
463
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,933
Believe it or not,
it's hard to get whites
464
00:26:49,966 --> 00:26:53,600
that live in the area
to participate
465
00:26:53,633 --> 00:26:56,233
because a lot of people are
actually afraid
466
00:26:56,266 --> 00:27:01,000
of coming out
and facing what happened.
467
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,200
When we go into Monroe,
I mean, you can feel,
468
00:27:10,233 --> 00:27:13,700
like, "What the heck
are you all doing here?"
469
00:27:17,833 --> 00:27:19,000
- Since I've been here,
every year
470
00:27:19,033 --> 00:27:20,433
they have the reenactment,
471
00:27:20,466 --> 00:27:21,766
and in my opinion,
472
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,066
leave the past in the past.
473
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:24,733
Let these people rest.
474
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:29,333
- You know, I directed
the first two reenactments,
475
00:27:29,366 --> 00:27:32,033
and I had a whole crew
of white people
476
00:27:32,066 --> 00:27:33,633
that played the Klan.
477
00:27:33,666 --> 00:27:34,966
And it was just two days
478
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,333
before we were supposed
to have the reenactment,
479
00:27:37,366 --> 00:27:39,300
and all these guys
had backed out
480
00:27:39,333 --> 00:27:41,600
and were saying that
they couldn't do it.
481
00:27:41,633 --> 00:27:44,800
So we used white masks
and things on black people
482
00:27:44,833 --> 00:27:46,533
to play Klan that first year.
483
00:27:48,433 --> 00:27:50,766
- They had swastikas drawn on,
and there were black people
484
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,466
that had colored
their faces in white,
485
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:56,533
and could you imagine us
doing a blackface reenactment?
486
00:27:56,566 --> 00:28:00,800
It would be on every news thing
in the entire world.
487
00:28:00,833 --> 00:28:03,600
When you have a reenactment
of something that horrific
488
00:28:03,633 --> 00:28:05,000
every single year,
489
00:28:05,033 --> 00:28:08,300
what does it
teach young black people?
490
00:28:08,333 --> 00:28:10,700
But I think what we need to do
is say, "That happened,
491
00:28:10,733 --> 00:28:12,600
but look where we are today."
492
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,666
- I think it's one of the most
greatest things
493
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:20,066
that ever happened
in Walton County
494
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:22,133
because we--we want justice.
495
00:28:22,166 --> 00:28:26,400
We need justice, and that
has not happened as of yet.
496
00:28:29,066 --> 00:28:34,633
- Any injustice affects
everybody that's around it.
497
00:28:34,666 --> 00:28:38,333
So why are we so afraid
of the truth coming out?
498
00:28:38,366 --> 00:28:41,266
Why are we so afraid
to talk about it?
499
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:44,566
And that's what
the reenactment does--
500
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,766
Keeps it in the light.
501
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,066
We don't want anything
in the dark.
502
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:49,666
Bring it to the light.
503
00:28:57,233 --> 00:29:00,366
[indistinct conversation]
504
00:29:08,466 --> 00:29:12,900
- They desecrated the grave
five days after he was buried.
505
00:29:12,933 --> 00:29:15,700
They took--took his flowers
off of it
506
00:29:15,733 --> 00:29:17,600
and
threw 'em way back over here,
507
00:29:17,633 --> 00:29:21,700
and the West Bladen
Styrofoam WB,
508
00:29:21,733 --> 00:29:23,166
they took and broke it,
509
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,600
threw it way over
by the street.
510
00:29:25,633 --> 00:29:27,966
You see how the sand is?
511
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,666
They had dug a hole
deep enough where the guy,
512
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:34,233
one of his classmates,
stuck his arm way up here.
513
00:29:34,266 --> 00:29:35,900
He stuck his arm all the way
in the hole
514
00:29:35,933 --> 00:29:38,200
where they had dug the
grave--dug sand out of it
515
00:29:38,233 --> 00:29:41,033
like they were trying
to dig up his grave, yeah.
516
00:29:41,066 --> 00:29:43,300
And they said it was not racial
or a hate crime.
517
00:29:43,333 --> 00:29:46,366
I said, "I don't know
why it wouldn't be."
518
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:56,533
Lennon as an individual,
losing his uncle,
519
00:29:56,566 --> 00:29:59,666
which is more or less
like a grandfather,
520
00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:03,466
and then having his first
major, serious breakup
521
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:06,666
with a female,
522
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:08,800
I guess people would say
that would be a lot
523
00:30:08,833 --> 00:30:11,766
for a teenager to deal with,
524
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,566
but Lennon was not
a typical teenager.
525
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,733
Like--
[train rushes by]
526
00:30:14,766 --> 00:30:16,466
- Sorry, the...
- Oh, yeah. I know it.
527
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:17,800
I know it.
I hate that thing.
528
00:30:17,833 --> 00:30:18,833
- That was real good, though.
You got it.
529
00:30:18,866 --> 00:30:20,766
- I hate that thing.
530
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:21,833
[whistle blaring]
531
00:30:21,866 --> 00:30:23,266
But Lennon,
when he was a child,
532
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:24,833
he could not stand that thing.
533
00:30:24,866 --> 00:30:28,133
He would do this.
Oh, he would scream.
534
00:30:28,166 --> 00:30:32,300
He would cover his ears.
He did not like that train.
535
00:30:32,333 --> 00:30:35,366
[train continues]
536
00:30:42,933 --> 00:30:46,000
[train rushing, bell dinging]
537
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,333
[somber piano music]
538
00:30:56,366 --> 00:31:02,100
♪
539
00:31:02,133 --> 00:31:04,566
He was the biggest kid I had,
540
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,700
and I'm like,
I gained a lot of weight,
541
00:31:06,733 --> 00:31:08,533
but trust me,
running around behind Lennon,
542
00:31:08,566 --> 00:31:12,000
it was easy to get rid of
'cause he kept me running.
543
00:31:12,033 --> 00:31:15,000
- [singing indistinctly]
544
00:31:15,033 --> 00:31:21,833
♪
545
00:31:21,866 --> 00:31:24,433
- I think Lennon was
about four.
546
00:31:24,466 --> 00:31:27,933
Pierre had taught him
his ABCs by rap.
547
00:31:27,966 --> 00:31:32,066
He said, "a-A, a-B,"
and, oh, it was hilarious.
548
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:34,800
And Pierre was like--
549
00:31:34,833 --> 00:31:37,166
he was like his hero.
550
00:31:38,866 --> 00:31:41,766
- Me and Lennon's relationship
was kind of--I don't know.
551
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,733
It was just like
he was my influence
552
00:31:43,766 --> 00:31:46,600
as much as I was
his influence, you know?
553
00:31:46,633 --> 00:31:49,066
I wanted to do better
because he was--
554
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:51,466
I knew he was watching me
and paying attention.
555
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,600
His thing was football,
and he was really good at it.
556
00:31:57,866 --> 00:32:02,933
My mom and Lennon moved
to North Carolina in 2012.
557
00:32:02,966 --> 00:32:04,166
He took it hard because
558
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,633
he really
didn't want to leave.
559
00:32:06,666 --> 00:32:08,833
He was born in Virginia;
he lived in Virginia.
560
00:32:08,866 --> 00:32:11,200
He wanted to go
to college in Virginia.
561
00:32:11,233 --> 00:32:14,766
So I had to... [sighs]
562
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,366
You know, persuade him
that it'll be okay,
563
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,533
that you're gonna
make new friends,
564
00:32:18,566 --> 00:32:21,433
and then he would calm down.
He'd be like, "You're right.
565
00:32:21,466 --> 00:32:22,966
That's why I'm glad
I called you," you know?
566
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,800
We would have those... [laughs]
567
00:32:24,833 --> 00:32:28,100
I would just be like, "Man, you
got a lot of growing up to do,
568
00:32:28,133 --> 00:32:29,966
but you'll be all right.
You know what I'm saying?"
569
00:32:32,666 --> 00:32:35,066
- I was born in Bladen County,
Bladenboro,
570
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:36,600
right here in this same town.
571
00:32:36,633 --> 00:32:39,600
So he made it his home because
he had a lot of family here.
572
00:32:41,866 --> 00:32:43,566
The neighbors here--
573
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,700
there was only him
and Justin Jones
574
00:32:45,733 --> 00:32:48,600
and Trey Hudson.
575
00:32:48,633 --> 00:32:50,366
They were the only
three teenage boys
576
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:51,533
in this neighborhood.
577
00:32:51,566 --> 00:32:52,933
You wouldn't see one
without the other.
578
00:32:52,966 --> 00:32:55,433
You would see Justin
coming down past my house.
579
00:32:55,466 --> 00:32:57,000
He'd get Lennon,
and then they'd go over
580
00:32:57,033 --> 00:32:59,133
to Trey's or vice versa.
581
00:33:00,766 --> 00:33:03,733
- Lennon was funny,
protective,
582
00:33:03,766 --> 00:33:07,066
just an all-around
good friend.
583
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:08,800
You couldn't ask
for a better friend.
584
00:33:08,833 --> 00:33:10,833
♪
585
00:33:10,866 --> 00:33:13,800
We'd hang out
like teenagers do.
586
00:33:13,833 --> 00:33:15,533
Walk to the park at night.
587
00:33:15,566 --> 00:33:17,033
He had asthma,
588
00:33:17,066 --> 00:33:19,366
so he wanted to walk at night,
and I was like, "All right."
589
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,700
He'd come get me
about 1:00 in the morning.
590
00:33:22,733 --> 00:33:26,866
Yeah, Lennon didn't drink,
didn't smoke, didn't do drugs.
591
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:29,500
He'd drink water and Powerade.
592
00:33:29,533 --> 00:33:31,566
- Hey, how you doing?
593
00:33:33,666 --> 00:33:35,866
- We'd talk a lot.
We'd talk about everything.
594
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:37,566
Like brothers. Every day.
595
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,266
I have a tattoo of himon my arm.
596
00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:41,466
Lennon Lacy.
597
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:49,000
- We had so many good times.
Like...
598
00:33:49,033 --> 00:33:50,066
he was funny.
599
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:53,100
He was funny.
600
00:34:01,233 --> 00:34:02,266
[sniffles]
601
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:04,766
But, uh...
602
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,266
yeah, he was--he was
like my brother, though.
603
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,533
- Yeah,
I know it must be difficult.
604
00:34:17,566 --> 00:34:18,766
You must miss him.
605
00:34:23,866 --> 00:34:26,466
- I only knew him
for two years,
606
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:31,166
but them two years,
we were like that.
607
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:34,833
He's still in
all of our minds.
608
00:34:34,866 --> 00:34:37,166
We're not gonna let it go.
609
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,266
We just want to know
what happened,
610
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:44,766
but all of us think
it's not a suicide.
611
00:34:48,933 --> 00:34:53,666
- From day one,
nothing was done right.
612
00:34:53,700 --> 00:34:56,433
They found my brother
on a Friday night.
613
00:34:56,466 --> 00:35:00,166
They put us on hold
because it was--
614
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,200
I think it was like,
Memorial Day, Labor Day,
615
00:35:03,233 --> 00:35:04,566
one of them days.
616
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,566
It didn't make no sense.
The police station was closed.
617
00:35:10,566 --> 00:35:13,833
We sat there with no answers
from Friday night
618
00:35:13,866 --> 00:35:16,000
until Tuesday.
619
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,266
Then they, on Tuesday--
620
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:24,300
they come to the house
and then they tell my mom,
621
00:35:24,333 --> 00:35:27,733
"Sorry for your loss.
It was suicide."
622
00:35:27,766 --> 00:35:30,533
And then they walk
back outside.
623
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:34,066
So I asked them--I'm like,
624
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:35,566
"Well, how did you
get to that point?
625
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,600
What did you rule out?"
626
00:35:37,633 --> 00:35:39,266
One of his response was,
627
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:43,033
"Are you telling me
that I didn't do my job?"
628
00:35:43,066 --> 00:35:44,633
I said,
"Well, I'm not telling you
629
00:35:44,666 --> 00:35:46,166
"that you didn't do your job.
630
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,166
I'm just saying
you could do your job better."
631
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,066
He said,
"Well, if you know anything
632
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:57,633
"or if you have any information
that you come up with,
633
00:35:57,666 --> 00:35:59,733
give me a call
and let me know."
634
00:36:01,966 --> 00:36:03,433
I said, "Okay."
635
00:36:03,466 --> 00:36:05,233
I said,
"If I find out anything,
636
00:36:05,266 --> 00:36:07,600
I'll call you
and let you know."
637
00:36:07,633 --> 00:36:11,866
And I did. I found out
a whole lot of stuff.
638
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:15,733
I found out way more stuff
than he found out.
639
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:25,700
- I've been working on
murder cases
640
00:36:25,733 --> 00:36:27,166
in the state
of North Carolina
641
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,233
for almost 20 years.
642
00:36:31,533 --> 00:36:35,100
Claudia is a remarkably
strong woman
643
00:36:35,133 --> 00:36:38,300
but was so emotionally raw
644
00:36:38,333 --> 00:36:40,766
that Pierre really did step up
645
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,466
and take on a central role
in the investigation.
646
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:48,100
When I started looking at
the steps law enforcement took
647
00:36:48,133 --> 00:36:49,733
and I started
interviewing people
648
00:36:49,766 --> 00:36:51,666
like the
local medical examiner,
649
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:53,733
who told me that he
was trying
650
00:36:53,766 --> 00:36:55,500
to take pictures
of the death scene,
651
00:36:55,533 --> 00:36:59,133
and law enforcement
seized his camera from him--
652
00:36:59,166 --> 00:37:02,933
which, in 16 years of
working on murder cases,
653
00:37:02,966 --> 00:37:06,133
I have never heard that before.
654
00:37:08,633 --> 00:37:10,366
The SBI stands for
655
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,500
the "North Carolina State
Bureau of Investigation."
656
00:37:13,533 --> 00:37:15,166
What concerned me
about this case
657
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,066
was that they brought
in Agent Paul Songalewski,
658
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:20,600
who had never investigated
a homicide.
659
00:37:20,633 --> 00:37:25,200
He's brought in whenever
there's a suspected suicide.
660
00:37:25,233 --> 00:37:26,500
When you're approaching
661
00:37:26,533 --> 00:37:28,866
any sort of death scene
investigation,
662
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:32,700
you want to make sure that
these are seasoned detectives
663
00:37:32,733 --> 00:37:34,100
that know the importance
664
00:37:34,133 --> 00:37:36,266
of preserving
the forensic evidence
665
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:38,933
to ensure
that it's not a homicide
666
00:37:38,966 --> 00:37:41,600
that is staged
to look like a suicide.
667
00:37:43,733 --> 00:37:45,566
Based on my investigation,
668
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,100
I feel strongly that
669
00:37:47,133 --> 00:37:49,400
whoever made
that call to bring him in
670
00:37:49,433 --> 00:37:53,300
wanted this investigation to be
steered a certain direction.
671
00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:59,366
♪
672
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,800
In that part of the state,
particularly
673
00:38:01,833 --> 00:38:05,266
all the way across
along the South Carolina line,
674
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:10,033
it's a belt that is known
for white supremacist history,
675
00:38:10,066 --> 00:38:12,100
particularly during
the Civil Rights movement
676
00:38:12,133 --> 00:38:15,766
because there was still
a very heavy KKK presence
677
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,066
and a lot of intimidation
by people
678
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:21,766
who were in positions
of power at that point.
679
00:38:25,266 --> 00:38:27,300
But that isn't
ancient history,
680
00:38:27,333 --> 00:38:31,033
and a lot of the people
involved in lynchings
681
00:38:31,066 --> 00:38:34,166
and covering up the lynchings,
they're still around today,
682
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,700
some of which are still
in law enforcement
683
00:38:36,733 --> 00:38:38,766
and their children
are in law enforcement.
684
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,800
- White power!
685
00:38:41,833 --> 00:38:44,600
- This black community has felt
686
00:38:44,633 --> 00:38:47,633
that law enforcement had not
been addressing its needs
687
00:38:47,666 --> 00:38:50,166
for a long time in Bladenboro.
688
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,166
They had felt there was
a lot of police misconduct.
689
00:38:54,633 --> 00:38:59,200
Between 2002-2006, there was
a large federal investigation
690
00:38:59,233 --> 00:39:01,333
in Bladen County
and Robeson County
691
00:39:01,366 --> 00:39:03,933
that led to the arrest
of police officers
692
00:39:03,966 --> 00:39:06,333
who were actually
heavily involved
693
00:39:06,366 --> 00:39:09,000
in narcotics trafficking.
694
00:39:09,033 --> 00:39:11,333
They would also
pull over drivers
695
00:39:11,366 --> 00:39:13,233
of African American descent.
696
00:39:13,266 --> 00:39:14,733
They would harass them
for money,
697
00:39:14,766 --> 00:39:16,733
take the money,
and then let them go,
698
00:39:16,766 --> 00:39:19,266
and it would never
be documented.
699
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:20,800
So you had concerns
700
00:39:20,833 --> 00:39:23,400
from the African American
community:
701
00:39:23,433 --> 00:39:26,266
"Was there more to this story?
What happened?
702
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:27,800
This doesn't make sense."
703
00:39:31,433 --> 00:39:34,800
As I started researching
black males
704
00:39:34,833 --> 00:39:36,333
committing suicide in public,
705
00:39:36,366 --> 00:39:38,866
and I realized there had been
almost 20 black males
706
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:43,200
found hanging in public parks
over just the last few years--
707
00:39:43,233 --> 00:39:44,833
and when I realized
708
00:39:44,866 --> 00:39:48,166
how quickly law enforcement
that responded to those scenes
709
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,400
deemed those deaths suicide,
710
00:39:51,433 --> 00:39:54,033
I became quite concerned
that there may be
711
00:39:54,066 --> 00:39:58,133
a bigger surreptitious
movement at play, here.
712
00:39:58,166 --> 00:40:00,900
Evidence in this case
suggests that steps taken
713
00:40:00,933 --> 00:40:04,800
by responding officers
and investigators
714
00:40:04,833 --> 00:40:08,300
failed to meet even the
minimum accepted guidelines
715
00:40:08,333 --> 00:40:11,666
and practices for death
scene investigations.
716
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:13,066
[camera shutters clicking]
717
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:14,866
That is a large part
of the reason
718
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:19,233
we have been compelled to ask
the U.S. Department of Justice
719
00:40:19,266 --> 00:40:21,466
and the FBI to conduct
its own investigation
720
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:22,966
into the death
of Lennon Lacy.
721
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,400
Thank you.
722
00:40:24,433 --> 00:40:26,933
[determined music]
723
00:40:26,966 --> 00:40:29,433
- An autopsy for a Bladen
County teen found dead
724
00:40:29,466 --> 00:40:32,966
in August shows
no indication of foul play.
725
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,100
- The response that occurred
in this case
726
00:40:35,133 --> 00:40:37,200
and the investigation
which has followed
727
00:40:37,233 --> 00:40:39,266
has been nothing
short of professional,
728
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:41,666
and I'm proud to be
a part of this outfit.
729
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:43,366
- The family certainly
don't think so,
730
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,033
and I have to say,
having been down there
731
00:40:45,066 --> 00:40:46,700
and spent quite a bit of time
on this story...
732
00:40:46,733 --> 00:40:47,700
- Yeah.
- It doesn't look
733
00:40:47,733 --> 00:40:48,866
very professional to me.
734
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:51,933
[applause]
735
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,833
- We march today.
Why?
736
00:40:59,866 --> 00:41:05,233
In the quest for one thing:
the truth about Lennon's death.
737
00:41:05,266 --> 00:41:07,033
[crowd murmurs in approval]
738
00:41:07,066 --> 00:41:09,566
- The medical examiner noted
that she was not presented
739
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,566
with any photographs
or dimensions
740
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,466
of that
swing set in question,
741
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:15,433
meaning that it was impossible
for her to know
742
00:41:15,466 --> 00:41:19,466
with absolute certainty that
Lennon Lacy had hung himself.
743
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:22,833
- The last time Claudia Lacy
saw her 17 year-old son,
744
00:41:22,866 --> 00:41:24,300
Lennon Lacy,
745
00:41:24,333 --> 00:41:26,233
was around the time
he snapped this selfie.
746
00:41:26,266 --> 00:41:29,266
The caption: "Last night pic
before the game."
747
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:31,900
- That does not sound like
a person that was planning
748
00:41:31,933 --> 00:41:34,033
on killing himself.
749
00:41:34,066 --> 00:41:36,833
State Bureau of Investigation
and Bladen Police
750
00:41:36,866 --> 00:41:39,500
never searched his room
for a suicide note.
751
00:41:39,533 --> 00:41:41,833
They never asked me
for his cell phone.
752
00:41:41,866 --> 00:41:44,633
- Lacy says she told state
investigators the belts used
753
00:41:44,666 --> 00:41:47,533
to fashion the noose
did not belong to Lennon.
754
00:41:47,566 --> 00:41:50,133
And Lennon's family says
he left home that night
755
00:41:50,166 --> 00:41:52,500
wearing size 12 Air Jordans,
756
00:41:52,533 --> 00:41:54,166
but he was found wearing
757
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,333
these size 10 1/2
Air Force Ones.
758
00:41:56,366 --> 00:41:59,633
- No one knows what happened
that terrible night,
759
00:41:59,666 --> 00:42:02,200
August 28-29,
760
00:42:02,233 --> 00:42:05,933
59 years to the day
after the death of Emmett Till.
761
00:42:05,966 --> 00:42:07,600
[crowd murmurs approvingly]
762
00:42:07,633 --> 00:42:10,333
- Local news covered a Ku Klux
Klan rally in a nearby county
763
00:42:10,366 --> 00:42:13,033
just weeks before
Lennon's body was found.
764
00:42:13,066 --> 00:42:14,333
- Go to work!
765
00:42:14,366 --> 00:42:16,466
[shouts indistinctly]
766
00:42:17,733 --> 00:42:19,200
- When I saw Lennon Lacy,
767
00:42:19,233 --> 00:42:21,866
he looked as
if he'd been in a fight.
768
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:25,233
I've seen guys that I've
dealt with in mortuary science
769
00:42:25,266 --> 00:42:26,933
that had been
in barroom fights,
770
00:42:26,966 --> 00:42:28,033
and that's
what it looked like.
771
00:42:28,066 --> 00:42:29,133
It looked like somebody
772
00:42:29,166 --> 00:42:31,900
that had not survived
a barroom fight.
773
00:42:31,933 --> 00:42:34,566
He had some bruises
along the side of his temple.
774
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,733
I saw lacerations.
775
00:42:36,766 --> 00:42:38,066
He wasn't marked up here;
776
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:40,866
he was marked up on his forearm
on the outside,
777
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:42,966
consistent
with defending yourself.
778
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,300
I know this is a murder.
779
00:42:44,333 --> 00:42:46,566
I believe it and understand it
and see it.
780
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,400
You know, I just thought
I was one of many
781
00:42:48,433 --> 00:42:50,033
who'd come to
the clear understanding
782
00:42:50,066 --> 00:42:52,166
of what had taken place here.
783
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,933
[cheers and applause]
784
00:42:53,966 --> 00:42:59,033
- Claudia Lacy has a right
to refuse to be comforted.
785
00:42:59,066 --> 00:43:01,600
She has a right.
Pierre has a right.
786
00:43:01,633 --> 00:43:03,266
These young babies
have a right.
787
00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:07,166
This community has a right
to demand more investigation
788
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,766
and refuse to be comforted
by easy answers.
789
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,800
This was...
790
00:43:12,833 --> 00:43:15,600
this is her son.
791
00:43:15,633 --> 00:43:16,766
crowd: That's right.
792
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,700
- We want you to hear his name.
793
00:43:19,733 --> 00:43:21,900
Somebody say it. Lennon...
all: Lennon...
794
00:43:21,933 --> 00:43:23,466
- Lacy.
all: Lacy!
795
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:24,833
- Lennon...
all: Lennon.
796
00:43:24,866 --> 00:43:26,066
- Lacy!
all: Lacy!
797
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:27,433
- Lennon!
all: Lennon!
798
00:43:27,466 --> 00:43:28,466
- Lacy!
all: Lacy!
799
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:29,666
- Lennon!
all: Lennon!
800
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:30,800
- Lacy!
all: Lacy!
801
00:43:30,833 --> 00:43:32,033
- Lennon!
all: Lennon!
802
00:43:32,066 --> 00:43:33,300
- Lacy!
all: Lacy!
803
00:43:33,333 --> 00:43:34,833
- Justice!
all: Justice!
804
00:43:34,866 --> 00:43:35,933
- Now!
all: Now!
805
00:43:35,966 --> 00:43:38,700
- Don't be calm.
Be concerned.
806
00:43:38,733 --> 00:43:41,700
A child has died!
807
00:43:41,733 --> 00:43:44,766
[cheers and applause]
808
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,233
- When do you want it?
all: Now!
809
00:43:51,266 --> 00:43:53,266
- What do you want?
all: Justice!
810
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:54,700
- When do you want it?
all: Now!
811
00:43:54,733 --> 00:43:59,866
- What do you want?
all: Justice!
812
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:07,033
- When do you want it?
all: Now!
813
00:44:07,066 --> 00:44:09,266
- The FBI has announced
that it will investigate
814
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:11,000
the case of Lennon Lacy
815
00:44:11,033 --> 00:44:13,100
to determine whether
the 17 year-old's death
816
00:44:13,133 --> 00:44:16,900
was a suicide or actually
the result of a lynching.
817
00:44:16,933 --> 00:44:19,366
Lacy's family and friends
have been pushing
818
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,200
for the federal investigation.
819
00:44:21,233 --> 00:44:23,300
The county coroner also says
he now questions
820
00:44:23,333 --> 00:44:24,633
if it was a suicide.
821
00:44:24,666 --> 00:44:26,100
- Lennon!
all: Lennon!
822
00:44:26,133 --> 00:44:28,100
- Lacy!
all: Lacy!
823
00:44:28,133 --> 00:44:29,566
- Lennon!
all: Lennon!
824
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,933
- Lacy!
all: Lacy!
825
00:44:31,966 --> 00:44:33,533
- Lennon!
all: Lennon!
826
00:44:33,566 --> 00:44:36,466
- Lacy!
all: Lacy!
827
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:39,200
[unsettling music]
828
00:44:39,233 --> 00:44:42,200
[insects chirping]
829
00:44:42,233 --> 00:44:46,000
- "October 26, 1934.
830
00:44:46,033 --> 00:44:47,866
"To the Honorable
David Sholtz,
831
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:51,100
"governor,
Tallahassee, Florida.
832
00:44:51,133 --> 00:44:53,566
"Associated Press
just informed us
833
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,000
"that a mob will take
Claude Neal,
834
00:44:56,033 --> 00:44:58,000
"tie him to a stake,
835
00:44:58,033 --> 00:45:00,200
"and permit the father
of the dead girl
836
00:45:00,233 --> 00:45:03,966
"to light fire
to burn Neal to death.
837
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,600
"Stop.
838
00:45:06,633 --> 00:45:09,500
"We urge upon you
to take immediate steps
839
00:45:09,533 --> 00:45:14,300
"to rescue negro from mob
and place him in safe custody.
840
00:45:14,333 --> 00:45:16,000
"Stop.
841
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,566
"Walter White, secretary,
842
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,033
"National Association
843
00:45:23,066 --> 00:45:25,033
for the Advancement
of Colored People."
844
00:45:27,166 --> 00:45:30,233
[wildlife chirping]
845
00:45:32,866 --> 00:45:38,400
- Oh, well, we moved to Atlanta
before I turned three,
846
00:45:38,433 --> 00:45:41,166
so I spent
my earliest years here.
847
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,733
And my Granddaddy Reeves
was a textile mill worker
848
00:45:44,766 --> 00:45:47,133
in a textile mill
in north Georgia.
849
00:45:47,166 --> 00:45:50,500
He raised five children
through the Great Depression,
850
00:45:50,533 --> 00:45:55,633
and I found out many years
later from my grandmother
851
00:45:55,666 --> 00:45:57,166
something
that I never would've guessed,
852
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,933
and that was that he had been,
at some point,
853
00:46:00,966 --> 00:46:03,100
a member of the Ku Klux Klan.
854
00:46:03,133 --> 00:46:06,500
And consequently I got involved
with a local organization
855
00:46:06,533 --> 00:46:08,433
that monitored hate groups,
856
00:46:08,466 --> 00:46:11,633
and I volunteered to do
infiltration work at rallies
857
00:46:11,666 --> 00:46:12,966
and other gatherings
858
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,433
to see what kind of information
I could gather.
859
00:46:15,466 --> 00:46:17,733
And that's when I realized
860
00:46:17,766 --> 00:46:20,966
that Klan and white
supremacist groups in general
861
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,633
had undergone a metamorphosis.
862
00:46:23,666 --> 00:46:25,000
You had newer groups
863
00:46:25,033 --> 00:46:28,766
that were openly worshipful
of Adolf Hitler
864
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,900
and his whole ideology.
865
00:46:30,933 --> 00:46:35,033
That indicated that we weren't
talking about a moribund group
866
00:46:35,066 --> 00:46:37,533
that was going to fade away.
867
00:46:37,566 --> 00:46:39,233
- While we're waiting
for the guys,
868
00:46:39,266 --> 00:46:41,300
can you go through your speech
for us, please?
869
00:46:41,333 --> 00:46:45,500
- It is posted online if youwant to get an idea of it,
870
00:46:45,533 --> 00:46:48,800
and there's one pointat which one of the people
871
00:46:48,833 --> 00:46:50,466
in the crowd will call out,
872
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:53,066
"What about those lyingAtlanta newspapers here?"
873
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:54,366
- Who's doing that?
874
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,666
We gonna stop right there.
Who's gonna do that?
875
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:57,100
- Well, we're looking forsomebody with a good voice--
876
00:46:57,133 --> 00:46:59,666
The reason
why I felt called upon
877
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:04,233
to do the Governor Talmadge
speech at the reenactment
878
00:47:04,266 --> 00:47:10,400
is that Eugene Talmadge was
essentially the Klan candidate
879
00:47:10,433 --> 00:47:12,133
for governor here in Georgia.
880
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:17,500
When I discovered
that Governor Talmadge
881
00:47:17,533 --> 00:47:20,500
had actually given one of his
race-baiting stump speeches
882
00:47:20,533 --> 00:47:23,266
in Monroe, Georgia,
883
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:26,600
prior to the murders
at the ford,
884
00:47:26,633 --> 00:47:29,233
I felt it was necessary
that we should have
885
00:47:29,266 --> 00:47:32,233
a historically
accurate presentation
886
00:47:32,266 --> 00:47:36,033
of exactly what the folks
in Monroe would've heard.
887
00:47:36,066 --> 00:47:37,666
[crowd clamoring]
888
00:47:51,466 --> 00:47:54,533
[cheers and applause]
889
00:48:03,933 --> 00:48:05,800
[cheers and applause]
'Cause I am dedicated.
890
00:48:09,733 --> 00:48:11,733
- Just want to remind you
891
00:48:11,766 --> 00:48:13,000
that the poor dirt farmer's
892
00:48:13,033 --> 00:48:15,766
got only three friends
on this earth.
893
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:21,133
That's God, Sears Roebuck,
and Eugene Talmadge.
894
00:48:21,166 --> 00:48:23,700
And Eugene Talmadge.
895
00:48:25,166 --> 00:48:28,433
This state was essentially run
896
00:48:28,466 --> 00:48:31,433
on the basis of terrorism.
897
00:48:32,333 --> 00:48:34,133
Until we come to grips
with the fact
898
00:48:34,166 --> 00:48:37,166
that this has happened
repeatedly,
899
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,200
we're always going
to be in danger
900
00:48:39,233 --> 00:48:42,866
of relapsing into
that kind of horror again,
901
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:45,666
and it seems to me,
as a son of the South,
902
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:48,033
that I have a responsibility
to do everything I can
903
00:48:48,066 --> 00:48:50,200
to make sure
that doesn't happen.
904
00:48:53,566 --> 00:48:56,566
[patriotic music playing]
905
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:03,666
♪
906
00:49:28,566 --> 00:49:33,433
♪
907
00:49:33,466 --> 00:49:37,166
- I grew up in Henry County.
Dad was Klan.
908
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,333
We had a big, black
Lincoln Mercury,
909
00:49:40,366 --> 00:49:43,433
and Dad had a tall, red cross
910
00:49:43,466 --> 00:49:45,800
that he mounted
on the hood of the car.
911
00:49:45,833 --> 00:49:49,366
He had an extra battery
under the hood that ran it.
912
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,666
And when it was not in use,
913
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:53,233
it was stored in the closet
in my room.
914
00:49:53,266 --> 00:49:56,000
My room was on the very
back part of the house,
915
00:49:56,033 --> 00:49:57,766
and my closet
was the very smallest,
916
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,366
most personal, quiet place
in the house
917
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,600
that nobody was likely to look.
918
00:50:02,633 --> 00:50:05,333
- ♪ The cross
in the wild... ♪
919
00:50:05,366 --> 00:50:10,200
- My dad was part
of the command of the Klan.
920
00:50:10,233 --> 00:50:13,466
He worked with Dr. Green.
921
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:15,166
We went to a lot of rallies,
922
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,600
a lot of bonfires,
a lot of parades.
923
00:50:18,633 --> 00:50:21,733
A lot of the rallies
were at Stone Mountain.
924
00:50:21,766 --> 00:50:23,366
At time,
it was kind of awesome.
925
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,033
You know, it was, like,
lights and action,
926
00:50:26,066 --> 00:50:29,166
and there were a lot of
other children to play with.
927
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,266
That was fun.
928
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:33,766
But--but then it got
pretty scary too.
929
00:50:39,366 --> 00:50:41,033
This was when they were
getting ready to go away
930
00:50:41,066 --> 00:50:44,200
on their trip
after the wedding.
931
00:50:44,233 --> 00:50:46,466
I knew the Talmadges.
932
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:49,333
My dad and Eugene
were friends,
933
00:50:49,366 --> 00:50:51,700
so being one of the ladies
934
00:50:51,733 --> 00:50:53,733
that supported the Talmadges
was really easy for me.
935
00:50:53,766 --> 00:50:56,500
That wasn't something I had
to figure out how to do.
936
00:50:58,100 --> 00:51:00,733
That's my favorite picture
of my mother.
937
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,866
My mother was kind
and gentle woman.
938
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:07,866
She didn't know how to deal
with my daddy either.
939
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:10,233
There're many times
that she's apologized,
940
00:51:10,266 --> 00:51:12,233
after we got to be adults,
941
00:51:12,266 --> 00:51:16,633
for the things she let us
be subjected to.
942
00:51:16,666 --> 00:51:20,133
I was three years old
when I saw my father
943
00:51:20,166 --> 00:51:22,566
and his friends
hang a black man.
944
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,600
[sinister music]
945
00:51:24,633 --> 00:51:27,066
♪
946
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:29,933
It was late,
947
00:51:29,966 --> 00:51:32,866
and the fire was roaring.
948
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:36,533
And the men were there
in their robes.
949
00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:41,433
Mother and my sister
and I stayed in the car.
950
00:51:41,466 --> 00:51:44,633
[crowd clamors,
fire crackles]
951
00:51:44,666 --> 00:51:49,500
And then some of the men
arrived with the black man.
952
00:51:53,166 --> 00:51:57,500
The Klan had
the man's hands bound.
953
00:51:57,533 --> 00:52:01,533
I could tell there was
something wrong,
954
00:52:01,566 --> 00:52:03,933
but I didn't understand what
955
00:52:03,966 --> 00:52:06,766
until they hung him.
956
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,166
And when I saw it happening,
957
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,700
my mother reached around me
and put her hand over my mouth
958
00:52:12,733 --> 00:52:14,366
and pulled me to her
959
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,566
so that I wouldn't
speak out loud.
960
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,733
It was hard to believe that
that was really my dad
961
00:52:24,766 --> 00:52:26,366
and his friends that I knew
962
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,066
that ate fish
and hushpuppies at the house.
963
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:34,233
But it was.
It was the same people.
964
00:52:34,266 --> 00:52:36,833
I never knew any of the details
except what I witnessed,
965
00:52:36,866 --> 00:52:39,666
and I was too afraid to ask.
966
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:43,166
I never talked about it
until Daddy died.
967
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,700
- It's all drawn from stuff
that Talmadge actually said.
968
00:52:46,733 --> 00:52:49,300
- Some of the people involved
in the reenactment
969
00:52:49,333 --> 00:52:50,733
are involved in it
for the sheer purpose
970
00:52:50,766 --> 00:52:53,233
of finding the guilty parties.
971
00:52:53,266 --> 00:52:55,633
But for me,
972
00:52:55,666 --> 00:52:58,133
something's going
to alter the conversation
973
00:52:58,166 --> 00:53:00,766
we have about race,
974
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,333
and if it's a reenactment,
wonderful.
975
00:53:04,366 --> 00:53:06,700
We all need to keep doing
whatever it is
976
00:53:06,733 --> 00:53:08,633
we think will make
the difference.
977
00:53:08,666 --> 00:53:10,800
- Well, who was--
who said they'd say,
978
00:53:10,833 --> 00:53:12,666
"Four dead niggers
are better than one"?
979
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:14,233
John? No--
- No, that wasn't me.
980
00:53:14,266 --> 00:53:16,233
- Not you.
Who's the one that said it?
981
00:53:16,266 --> 00:53:18,633
Not you.
982
00:53:18,666 --> 00:53:21,500
You need to talk to me.
Do you want to say it?
983
00:53:21,533 --> 00:53:23,900
- Uh-uh.
- Okay. You scared me.
984
00:53:23,933 --> 00:53:27,166
Okay, so I need somebody
that will say,
985
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,466
"Four dead niggers
are better than one."
986
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:33,033
You gonna say that?
Yeah, say that.
987
00:53:33,066 --> 00:53:35,333
I mean, let's--yeah,
that makes it easier.
988
00:53:35,366 --> 00:53:37,233
Okay, Roger?
989
00:53:37,266 --> 00:53:40,233
[upbeat music]
990
00:53:40,266 --> 00:53:47,300
♪
991
00:53:49,566 --> 00:53:52,866
- Move it out.
Thank you.
992
00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:54,666
Thank you for your cooperation.
993
00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:57,600
We have over a hundred cars
in the motorcade.
994
00:54:00,866 --> 00:54:02,700
- I'm Martha Dorsey.
995
00:54:02,733 --> 00:54:06,066
My grandfather and George
were brothers.
996
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:09,900
- I wish I had came before,
but this is my first time.
997
00:54:09,933 --> 00:54:13,566
And I am tremendously
enjoying myself
998
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,033
to learn about my history.
999
00:54:16,066 --> 00:54:19,133
♪
1000
00:54:19,166 --> 00:54:21,000
- I don't know if it's
a good thing or not.
1001
00:54:21,033 --> 00:54:23,100
I appreciate
what they're doing,
1002
00:54:23,133 --> 00:54:24,466
and hopefully,
they'll eventually,
1003
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:28,533
one day bring the remaining
killers to justice.
1004
00:54:28,566 --> 00:54:31,700
- The hurt is still there.
1005
00:54:31,733 --> 00:54:34,900
[overlapping chatter]
1006
00:54:46,133 --> 00:54:49,400
- We want that nigger Roger!
1007
00:54:49,433 --> 00:54:52,233
You is a dead man, boy.
1008
00:54:52,266 --> 00:54:55,166
- No!
- Take him down!
1009
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,166
- Let them go!
1010
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,633
This isn't right!
- [crying]
1011
00:54:58,666 --> 00:55:02,600
- Please give me everything
y'all got.
1012
00:55:02,633 --> 00:55:05,633
Every emotion.
Everything.
1013
00:55:05,666 --> 00:55:07,133
Okay?
- Yes, ma'am.
1014
00:55:07,166 --> 00:55:09,433
- Because these were people's
lives that were lost,
1015
00:55:09,466 --> 00:55:11,500
and I need
everything you all got.
1016
00:55:11,533 --> 00:55:13,000
Okay.
1017
00:55:18,433 --> 00:55:19,666
Action.
1018
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:21,333
- All right, boys,
take 'em down there.
1019
00:55:21,366 --> 00:55:24,333
[women screaming]
1020
00:55:24,366 --> 00:55:27,800
[angry shouting]
1021
00:55:27,833 --> 00:55:30,800
[screaming continues]
1022
00:55:30,833 --> 00:55:33,533
- What are you doing?
[indistinct shouting]
1023
00:55:33,566 --> 00:55:37,266
- We're making an example to
all the niggers in Georgia.
1024
00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:40,166
You don't touch a white man.
1025
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,600
- Leave Roger alone.
- What are you doing?
1026
00:55:42,633 --> 00:55:46,100
[screaming continues]
1027
00:55:46,133 --> 00:55:49,166
[gunfire]
1028
00:55:52,333 --> 00:55:55,000
- Let's go see. Check 'em out.
- Check the other one.
1029
00:55:55,033 --> 00:55:57,533
- Hold on.
All right, now.
1030
00:55:57,566 --> 00:55:58,833
- Roger!
1031
00:55:58,866 --> 00:56:01,200
[women gasping]
1032
00:56:01,233 --> 00:56:03,266
[gunfire continues]
1033
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:04,666
- [screams]
1034
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:06,500
[gunfire and screaming]
1035
00:56:06,533 --> 00:56:08,700
[woman sobbing,
final gunshot]
1036
00:56:08,733 --> 00:56:11,000
- That's victory for white
Christianity.
1037
00:56:11,033 --> 00:56:12,566
Good job.
1038
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,800
- Whoo.
- Good job.
1039
00:56:14,833 --> 00:56:16,066
- Whoo-ee.
- Good job.
1040
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:19,200
- Good work. Good work.
- That'll teach him!
1041
00:56:19,233 --> 00:56:20,466
That'll teach him!
- Where is he?
1042
00:56:20,500 --> 00:56:22,100
- That'll teach him.
- Good job, men.
1043
00:56:22,133 --> 00:56:23,600
[overlapping voices]
1044
00:56:23,633 --> 00:56:24,866
- Is this good, boss?
1045
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:27,633
[crowd gasps]
1046
00:56:27,666 --> 00:56:31,000
- That's real nice, Johnny.
That's real nice.
1047
00:56:31,033 --> 00:56:32,600
- What'd he do?
- Pulled the baby out.
1048
00:56:32,633 --> 00:56:34,933
[actor cackling]
1049
00:56:52,166 --> 00:56:55,533
- That's why.
Because it's history.
1050
00:56:55,566 --> 00:56:58,066
To bring the history to them.
1051
00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:01,133
[mournful humming music]
1052
00:57:01,166 --> 00:57:08,200
♪
1053
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,833
- "First they cut off
his penis,
1054
00:57:30,866 --> 00:57:33,900
and he was made to eat it."
1055
00:57:33,933 --> 00:57:37,466
[pigs squeal]
1056
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:41,800
"Then they sliced his sides
and stomach with knives,
1057
00:57:41,833 --> 00:57:43,166
"and every now and then,
1058
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,233
"somebody would cut
off a finger or a toe.
1059
00:57:49,033 --> 00:57:52,566
"From time to time, a rope
would be tied around his neck,
1060
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,133
"and he was pulled over a limb
1061
00:57:54,166 --> 00:57:57,433
"and held there until
he almost choked to death.
1062
00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:03,866
After several hours, they
decided just to kill him."
1063
00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:07,533
♪
1064
00:58:07,566 --> 00:58:09,466
"Then the crowd came by,
1065
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:13,466
"and some kicked him and some
drove their cars over him.
1066
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:17,966
"After slashing and
shooting him into mincemeat,
1067
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,433
"the mob hanged him on a tree
1068
00:58:20,466 --> 00:58:24,033
"on the east side
of the courthouse lawn.
1069
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:28,833
"Photographers said they would
soon have pictures of the body
1070
00:58:28,866 --> 00:58:31,966
for sale at 50¢ each."
1071
00:58:44,766 --> 00:58:49,000
- I think what most people
have a hard time appreciating
1072
00:58:49,033 --> 00:58:52,400
is if you were black and alive
in many parts of this country
1073
00:58:52,433 --> 00:58:56,833
in the 20th century,
you were always at risk.
1074
00:58:56,866 --> 00:59:00,300
You were always a target.
1075
00:59:00,333 --> 00:59:03,933
You were always an object
to be victimized,
1076
00:59:03,966 --> 00:59:06,300
to be humiliated,
to be taunted,
1077
00:59:06,333 --> 00:59:09,200
to be sexually exploited,
to be killed.
1078
00:59:09,233 --> 00:59:11,166
And there was no respite.
1079
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,533
There was never a moment
when you were allowed
1080
00:59:13,566 --> 00:59:17,100
to feel like you can be safe
for just a little while.
1081
00:59:17,133 --> 00:59:18,633
You were always in season.
1082
00:59:18,666 --> 00:59:25,600
♪
1083
00:59:25,633 --> 00:59:28,266
- Most black men were lynched
because they were accused
1084
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:31,633
of having sexually assaulted
a white woman,
1085
00:59:31,666 --> 00:59:34,366
for murder or some violent act
1086
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,966
committed
usually against a white man.
1087
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:41,733
But sometimes it could just be
having violated the rules of,
1088
00:59:41,766 --> 00:59:43,500
you know,
not having tipped one's hat
1089
00:59:43,533 --> 00:59:45,066
or having left
the side of the street
1090
00:59:45,100 --> 00:59:46,966
when a white person
was walking past.
1091
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,066
It could be being
regarded as uppity.
1092
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,900
And it really involves
a process of dehumanization
1093
00:59:57,933 --> 01:00:01,533
that the black man had to be
physically restrained,
1094
01:00:01,566 --> 01:00:03,566
that he was over-sexualized,
1095
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,966
that he was naturally
and inherently violent
1096
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,233
or something
that's not human.
1097
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,233
And it's this very insidious
process of dehumanization
1098
01:00:16,266 --> 01:00:19,166
that begins always with words
1099
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,800
that allows
average individuals
1100
01:00:21,833 --> 01:00:23,133
to stand and watch
1101
01:00:23,166 --> 01:00:25,533
and to participate
and sometimes cheer
1102
01:00:25,566 --> 01:00:28,466
while another human being
is brutally murdered.
1103
01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:30,633
[applause]
1104
01:00:31,466 --> 01:00:38,533
♪
1105
01:01:41,366 --> 01:01:44,500
- I had taken a job over
at the grocery store
1106
01:01:44,533 --> 01:01:46,566
right here in the neighborhood
at the deli,
1107
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,766
and I was waiting
on a customer,
1108
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,300
and I had turned around
with his order,
1109
01:01:52,333 --> 01:01:53,933
and it dawned on me
1110
01:01:53,966 --> 01:01:56,800
as I looked
to the dining area that--
1111
01:01:56,833 --> 01:01:58,933
that somewhere in this crowd,
there is a murder,
1112
01:01:58,966 --> 01:02:01,466
and he knows what he's done--
1113
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:04,600
or she or they.
1114
01:02:04,633 --> 01:02:08,000
And that day was the day
that I realized
1115
01:02:08,033 --> 01:02:12,566
there is still someone out here
that is responsible.
1116
01:02:20,900 --> 01:02:23,633
- Well, there's a lot of things
we would like to be able to do,
1117
01:02:23,666 --> 01:02:25,800
but with such a small staff,
1118
01:02:25,833 --> 01:02:28,600
there's things that we
just aren't able to do
1119
01:02:28,633 --> 01:02:30,866
because we still have
all the other things
1120
01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:32,000
going on in this county.
1121
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:37,166
I have honestly not heard
anyone talking about the fact
1122
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,833
of whether there's still
a murderer on the loose
1123
01:02:39,866 --> 01:02:42,366
in regards to this.
1124
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,433
Honestly, I think that
the majority of the folks
1125
01:02:44,466 --> 01:02:46,000
have just come to grips
with the fact
1126
01:02:46,033 --> 01:02:48,666
that this is gonna be ruled
a suicide in the end.
1127
01:02:50,433 --> 01:02:52,433
It's been several months
1128
01:02:52,466 --> 01:02:55,300
since the one-year
anniversary of it.
1129
01:02:55,333 --> 01:02:56,500
But it's been quiet,
1130
01:02:56,533 --> 01:02:59,466
and everybody's just
kind of waiting now.
1131
01:02:59,500 --> 01:03:01,300
And I think the sooner,
the better
1132
01:03:01,333 --> 01:03:03,900
to get this behind us.
1133
01:03:07,433 --> 01:03:10,500
I honestly don't believe
that the investigation
1134
01:03:10,533 --> 01:03:13,000
has been lacking
from the very beginning.
1135
01:03:13,033 --> 01:03:14,900
I don't think that there's
been any kind of cover-up
1136
01:03:14,933 --> 01:03:17,600
by the local
law enforcement folks.
1137
01:03:17,633 --> 01:03:19,766
Nobody wants to believe
that their child
1138
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,366
could do such a thing,
1139
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,333
and I would probably want to
go to all ends of the Earth
1140
01:03:24,366 --> 01:03:28,266
to make sure that any and
all possible investigations
1141
01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:30,266
and questions were answered.
1142
01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:32,800
But to that end,
at some point you've got to--
1143
01:03:32,833 --> 01:03:35,200
you've got to realize that
they've done all they can.
1144
01:03:39,700 --> 01:03:42,700
There is another side
to the coin as far as,
1145
01:03:42,733 --> 01:03:45,533
you know, the family unit
and negligence
1146
01:03:45,566 --> 01:03:47,233
and that kind of thing.
1147
01:03:47,266 --> 01:03:49,800
You know, the fact
that this teenage boy at 15,
1148
01:03:49,833 --> 01:03:51,166
16 years old was involved
1149
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,466
with a 30-year-old woman
in the neighborhood,
1150
01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:56,900
that he was regularly out after
midnight on school nights.
1151
01:03:56,933 --> 01:03:59,466
So those are
the kinds of things
1152
01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:02,133
that started to percolate
1153
01:04:02,166 --> 01:04:04,500
as this went on
during that first year.
1154
01:04:12,666 --> 01:04:14,800
- I was 32 when I met Lennon.
1155
01:04:17,300 --> 01:04:21,800
Lennon and I didn't really
look at our age difference.
1156
01:04:24,366 --> 01:04:27,633
From the time I met Lennon,
1157
01:04:27,666 --> 01:04:31,166
it felt like it was
meant to be.
1158
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,466
I mean, you don't choose
who you fall in love with.
1159
01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:44,433
- Mm-hmm.
- Oh.
1160
01:04:44,466 --> 01:04:45,700
- Yeah.
1161
01:04:45,733 --> 01:04:49,300
This is the only thing
of his that I have left.
1162
01:04:49,333 --> 01:04:52,000
They came over and told me they
wanted everything of Lennon's.
1163
01:04:52,033 --> 01:04:54,833
So I hid this.
1164
01:04:54,866 --> 01:04:56,633
- So did you--did they take
everything but that?
1165
01:04:56,666 --> 01:04:58,400
- Yes.
1166
01:04:58,433 --> 01:05:04,500
♪
1167
01:05:04,533 --> 01:05:07,233
- His mother says 17-year-old
Lennon had been dating
1168
01:05:07,266 --> 01:05:09,333
a 32-year-old white woman.
1169
01:05:09,366 --> 01:05:11,700
The age of consent
in North Carolina is 16.
1170
01:05:11,733 --> 01:05:13,300
Still,
1171
01:05:13,333 --> 01:05:16,266
some people in this small
Southern town did not like it.
1172
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:18,933
In the wake of his hanging,
some wondered if he was killed
1173
01:05:18,966 --> 01:05:22,300
because he was in
an interracial relationship.
1174
01:05:24,766 --> 01:05:26,233
- We never talked
about the race thing.
1175
01:05:26,266 --> 01:05:28,266
We talked about
the age thing...
1176
01:05:28,300 --> 01:05:30,200
because of the simple fact
1177
01:05:30,233 --> 01:05:32,900
I knew that she was
a woman of experience.
1178
01:05:32,933 --> 01:05:34,300
She had three kids of her own.
1179
01:05:34,333 --> 01:05:37,866
My son was not
compatible with her.
1180
01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:39,600
I said--
I asked her, as a mother--
1181
01:05:39,633 --> 01:05:42,033
I said,
"So you need to end this.
1182
01:05:42,066 --> 01:05:45,766
Either you end it,
or we will end it."
1183
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,233
She continued to see him
1184
01:05:47,266 --> 01:05:49,933
as if I hadn't even said
anything to her about it.
1185
01:05:52,133 --> 01:05:56,700
- Michelle and Lennon were
involved about seven months,
1186
01:05:56,733 --> 01:06:00,966
but Lennon didn't want
nobody to know for a while
1187
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,133
because that whole--
that whole Michelle situation,
1188
01:06:04,166 --> 01:06:07,333
I--I--I knew it was
too much for him.
1189
01:06:07,366 --> 01:06:08,566
There was still stuff
1190
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,333
that I didn't know
about Michelle myself.
1191
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,833
- I had left my husband.
1192
01:06:15,866 --> 01:06:19,166
My children and I had just
came back from Illinois
1193
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,400
and moved back
to North Carolina.
1194
01:06:21,433 --> 01:06:23,800
I was living with
Trey's mother,
1195
01:06:23,833 --> 01:06:25,833
Carla Hudson and Dewey Sykes.
1196
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,166
There was probably,
I would say,
1197
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:34,300
a hundred feet at the most
from Lennon's back door
1198
01:06:34,333 --> 01:06:38,833
to Dewey Sykes
and Carla Hudson's door.
1199
01:06:40,266 --> 01:06:44,333
Lennon was always at Trey's
house whenever I was there.
1200
01:06:44,366 --> 01:06:47,933
The first time I met Lennon,
1201
01:06:47,966 --> 01:06:50,333
I didn't think
that he was a teenager.
1202
01:06:50,366 --> 01:06:53,033
He looked a lot older
than what--
1203
01:06:53,066 --> 01:06:55,066
what he was.
1204
01:06:55,100 --> 01:06:58,533
He carried himself
like a gentleman.
1205
01:06:58,566 --> 01:07:02,733
He came over with Trey,
and they was hanging out,
1206
01:07:02,766 --> 01:07:05,600
and I was there with Carla,
hanging out.
1207
01:07:05,633 --> 01:07:08,666
I think my kids
had went to bed,
1208
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:10,266
and Trey,
he was probably in the bedroom
1209
01:07:10,300 --> 01:07:11,333
with his girlfriend.
1210
01:07:11,366 --> 01:07:13,000
He was always
in there with her.
1211
01:07:13,033 --> 01:07:15,700
And Lennon was always
out there with us.
1212
01:07:15,733 --> 01:07:18,233
And then he...
1213
01:07:18,266 --> 01:07:21,133
started
kissing me on my neck,
1214
01:07:21,166 --> 01:07:22,566
and that's how it started.
1215
01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:26,866
- Now, this is where
Lennon lived,
1216
01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:28,933
and we'd go to Trey's house
1217
01:07:28,966 --> 01:07:30,600
and play football, basketball,
1218
01:07:30,633 --> 01:07:32,466
anything you want to play.
1219
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:34,833
Walk through this little path
right here.
1220
01:07:34,866 --> 01:07:38,233
This is where Trey
and them lived, right here.
1221
01:07:38,266 --> 01:07:40,266
The house would be right there
in front of them bushes.
1222
01:07:40,300 --> 01:07:44,366
Carla Hudson's and Dewey Sykes
and Trey Hudson's.
1223
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,100
This is the front door.
1224
01:07:47,133 --> 01:07:48,466
I'm walking right here
in the front door.
1225
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:49,533
You know what I'm saying?
1226
01:07:49,566 --> 01:07:51,733
I thought it was real funny.
1227
01:07:51,766 --> 01:07:54,366
After a couple months
after Lennon died,
1228
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,400
they moved everything out
and left the pool.
1229
01:07:57,433 --> 01:07:58,800
Left their dead dog there.
1230
01:07:58,833 --> 01:08:00,600
You know what I'm saying?
I would've dug my dog up.
1231
01:08:00,633 --> 01:08:02,900
You feel me?
I'd at least dug my dog up.
1232
01:08:02,933 --> 01:08:05,866
But no, they moved
everything out. Fast, too.
1233
01:08:05,900 --> 01:08:07,500
Real quick,
1234
01:08:07,533 --> 01:08:08,933
like they were running away
from something.
1235
01:08:08,966 --> 01:08:10,500
You know what I'm saying?
1236
01:08:10,533 --> 01:08:13,433
- Look, look--
no, it's too late. Come on.
1237
01:08:14,566 --> 01:08:17,166
Yeah, man's in court.
[indistinct]
1238
01:08:18,900 --> 01:08:22,400
Probably shake hands
and all of that, man.
1239
01:08:22,433 --> 01:08:27,000
[drum music]
1240
01:08:27,033 --> 01:08:30,000
- Carla and Dewey Sykes
were pill poppers.
1241
01:08:30,033 --> 01:08:31,600
People would come and go,
1242
01:08:31,633 --> 01:08:33,700
buying and selling narcotics,
1243
01:08:33,733 --> 01:08:35,200
and I believe they even
1244
01:08:35,233 --> 01:08:37,533
supplied Michelle
with narcotics at times.
1245
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,433
- There you go, Trey.
1246
01:08:41,466 --> 01:08:43,933
Work him! Work him! Work him!
1247
01:08:43,966 --> 01:08:45,933
- Hell, yeah!
1248
01:08:45,966 --> 01:08:48,433
- Dewey Sykes? Oh, he known
for being racist.
1249
01:08:48,466 --> 01:08:53,366
About 2005, he hung a KKK flag
right there on the fence.
1250
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,833
Hung the flag right there
that said, "Don't tread on me."
1251
01:08:55,866 --> 01:08:59,700
Rebel flag. Stuff like that.
He was known for it.
1252
01:08:59,733 --> 01:09:05,033
- Dewey didn't like the fact
that I was seeing Lennon,
1253
01:09:05,066 --> 01:09:09,133
and he would use the N-word
more than often.
1254
01:09:10,333 --> 01:09:12,933
There was one night,
Lennon got upset,
1255
01:09:12,966 --> 01:09:15,333
and he walked out of
Carla Hudson's house
1256
01:09:15,366 --> 01:09:21,000
and Lennon punched the fence
and he broke the wood.
1257
01:09:21,033 --> 01:09:26,633
And Dewey had threatened
Lennon with a gun.
1258
01:09:26,666 --> 01:09:29,066
- Dewey Sykes had a cousin
1259
01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:31,066
that is on
the Bladenboro police force
1260
01:09:31,100 --> 01:09:34,333
but never seemed
to arrest his relatives
1261
01:09:34,366 --> 01:09:36,033
for the apparent
illegal activity
1262
01:09:36,066 --> 01:09:37,466
going on in their home.
1263
01:09:37,500 --> 01:09:39,000
That was the party spot.
1264
01:09:39,033 --> 01:09:43,133
[all shouting]
1265
01:09:43,166 --> 01:09:44,700
- What happened
at Carla's house
1266
01:09:44,733 --> 01:09:47,000
stayed at Carla's house,
basically.
1267
01:09:47,033 --> 01:09:50,000
It was like Las Vegas.
1268
01:09:50,033 --> 01:09:53,800
Yeah. [laughs] It was.
1269
01:10:00,833 --> 01:10:03,400
- Yeah, we was--Lennon and I
was committed to each other.
1270
01:10:03,433 --> 01:10:05,700
Yes. Yeah.
1271
01:10:05,733 --> 01:10:08,100
- Michelle Brimhall had
a drug problem,
1272
01:10:08,133 --> 01:10:10,600
and to support her drug habit,
1273
01:10:10,633 --> 01:10:13,300
she would have
quite a few companions,
1274
01:10:13,333 --> 01:10:16,200
and Lennon would
get very emotional
1275
01:10:16,233 --> 01:10:17,900
and upset about this.
1276
01:10:17,933 --> 01:10:19,200
They broke up in June.
1277
01:10:19,233 --> 01:10:20,566
He goes to Virginia,
1278
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,900
spends a couple of weeks
with family, has a good time,
1279
01:10:22,933 --> 01:10:25,400
tries to get her
out of his head.
1280
01:10:25,433 --> 01:10:27,733
By the time he comes back,
he realized,
1281
01:10:27,766 --> 01:10:31,233
you know, she was still
seeing other people.
1282
01:10:31,266 --> 01:10:32,666
And even though
they had broken up,
1283
01:10:32,700 --> 01:10:35,133
I think Lennon was in love
with her,
1284
01:10:35,166 --> 01:10:37,100
and I think he felt
like this relationship
1285
01:10:37,133 --> 01:10:39,966
was going to turn
into something bigger.
1286
01:10:41,933 --> 01:10:43,966
But that night,
there was another man
1287
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,066
that arrived at her house,
1288
01:10:46,100 --> 01:10:48,900
and his first name
was Maurice.
1289
01:10:48,933 --> 01:10:52,000
He does have
a criminal history.
1290
01:10:52,033 --> 01:10:55,066
Lennon saw Maurice
go into the house,
1291
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:59,533
and he was quite distraught
about it.
1292
01:11:01,333 --> 01:11:05,533
- He was pacing from his house
and Trey's house.
1293
01:11:05,566 --> 01:11:07,866
Every now and then, he would
come back to the house
1294
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:12,400
with different information
that Carla and Trey
1295
01:11:12,433 --> 01:11:15,333
was feeding him
about Michelle.
1296
01:11:15,366 --> 01:11:19,433
So it was kind of like
they were fueling the anger.
1297
01:11:22,133 --> 01:11:24,933
But in the process
of all of this going on,
1298
01:11:24,966 --> 01:11:29,066
he still was preparing
for the next day.
1299
01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:32,800
The last thing he pretty much
did was pack his bag
1300
01:11:32,833 --> 01:11:35,766
for football practice.
1301
01:11:40,966 --> 01:11:44,266
- I don't know what happened.
1302
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:45,866
I've thought about it
and thought about it
1303
01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:48,233
and thought of
so many different things.
1304
01:11:50,266 --> 01:11:52,366
It doesn't make any sense
1305
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,300
because Lennon has never done
anything to anybody.
1306
01:11:55,333 --> 01:11:58,200
I mean, who would want
to hurt him?
1307
01:12:01,133 --> 01:12:02,433
It's just--I don't know.
1308
01:12:02,466 --> 01:12:05,166
It doesn't make
any sense to me.
1309
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:12,233
♪
1310
01:12:22,066 --> 01:12:24,933
- I don't know
what happened,
1311
01:12:24,966 --> 01:12:28,466
but I wish he came
and knocked on my window
1312
01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:30,966
and asked me to walk
on that night
1313
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,700
instead of walking out alone.
1314
01:12:35,833 --> 01:12:40,800
- We have been very careful
to proceed
1315
01:12:40,833 --> 01:12:43,133
in the search for truth.
1316
01:12:43,166 --> 01:12:46,966
If Lennon was white
1317
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,433
and found hanging
1318
01:12:48,466 --> 01:12:51,500
in a predominantly
black neighborhood,
1319
01:12:51,533 --> 01:12:55,033
would there have been a rush
1320
01:12:55,066 --> 01:12:58,700
to determine that the cause
of death was suicide?
1321
01:13:00,333 --> 01:13:05,200
What happens those first
few hours at a scene of death
1322
01:13:05,233 --> 01:13:07,800
has extraordinary impact
1323
01:13:07,833 --> 01:13:11,500
on how we are able
to ultimately find the truth.
1324
01:13:11,533 --> 01:13:15,833
They ought to be following the
standards of law enforcement
1325
01:13:15,866 --> 01:13:21,366
in every case regardless
of race, creed, class.
1326
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,266
One standard of justice.
1327
01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:28,966
- Lawyers working on behalf of
Lennon's family had information
1328
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,433
which they believed was
critical for our determination
1329
01:13:31,466 --> 01:13:34,300
which they did not want
to give the SBI.
1330
01:13:34,333 --> 01:13:36,133
- It's very disappointing that
1331
01:13:36,166 --> 01:13:41,000
instead of actually conducting
any investigation
1332
01:13:41,033 --> 01:13:44,900
that would've made any sort
of forensic testing fruitful
1333
01:13:44,933 --> 01:13:46,733
and reliable,
1334
01:13:46,766 --> 01:13:50,633
this district attorney allowed
rumors in the community
1335
01:13:50,666 --> 01:13:54,800
to become so rampant instead
of searching for the truth.
1336
01:14:00,266 --> 01:14:03,233
- I should not have had
to wait as long as I have
1337
01:14:03,266 --> 01:14:05,233
to get to the answers
that I wanted.
1338
01:14:07,566 --> 01:14:09,300
To me, that makes me think
there was something
1339
01:14:09,333 --> 01:14:12,600
that had to be fixed up,
doctored up.
1340
01:14:16,333 --> 01:14:18,200
Tell me.
Show it to me.
1341
01:14:18,233 --> 01:14:23,300
Your saying it means nothing
to me if you cannot prove it.
1342
01:14:23,333 --> 01:14:25,133
I want to know,I deserve to know,
1343
01:14:25,166 --> 01:14:27,000
and I have the right to know.
1344
01:14:27,033 --> 01:14:30,033
That's all I've askedfrom day one.
1345
01:14:50,033 --> 01:14:53,100
[thunder rumbling,
rain pattering]
1346
01:15:01,566 --> 01:15:04,633
[livestock chittering]
1347
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,633
- "My mother was traumatized
when her brother,
1348
01:15:15,666 --> 01:15:18,566
"Claude Neal, was lynched.
1349
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,333
"She went through total hell,
1350
01:15:20,366 --> 01:15:23,633
"and she put us
through total hell.
1351
01:15:23,666 --> 01:15:25,000
"She'd start talking about
1352
01:15:25,033 --> 01:15:27,933
"what the men did
to her brother.
1353
01:15:27,966 --> 01:15:31,000
"She smoked Camels
and drank moonshine.
1354
01:15:33,866 --> 01:15:35,666
"She'd kick her daughters
1355
01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:39,133
"and she'd make the kids
read the 23rd psalm out loud
1356
01:15:39,166 --> 01:15:41,966
"while she drank and cried.
1357
01:15:44,833 --> 01:15:47,166
"She just couldn't
take what happened.
1358
01:15:49,533 --> 01:15:52,000
"She would leave her
five children with relatives
1359
01:15:52,033 --> 01:15:55,900
"and disappear for months--
sometimes years.
1360
01:15:55,933 --> 01:15:58,866
"She'd return out of guilt
and whisk us off
1361
01:15:58,900 --> 01:16:02,033
"to some tiny house where
she'd try to make a home.
1362
01:16:04,066 --> 01:16:07,700
"When she was sober,
she was okay,
1363
01:16:07,733 --> 01:16:11,266
but she always slipped back
into dark places."
1364
01:16:16,866 --> 01:16:19,900
- One of the most disturbing
legacies of lynching
1365
01:16:19,933 --> 01:16:22,533
is generational trauma
1366
01:16:22,566 --> 01:16:25,533
within the black
and white communities.
1367
01:16:26,833 --> 01:16:28,533
And yet, very
different reactions
1368
01:16:28,566 --> 01:16:32,333
to the stories in the two
different communities.
1369
01:16:32,366 --> 01:16:35,466
Both communities were covered
in a shroud of silence:
1370
01:16:35,500 --> 01:16:39,166
blacks out of fear,
whites out of shame, I think,
1371
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,900
and fear also.
1372
01:16:40,933 --> 01:16:42,733
And that silence
was never lifted,
1373
01:16:42,766 --> 01:16:45,066
and so people are acting out
1374
01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:49,133
in the context
of that passed-on relationship,
1375
01:16:49,166 --> 01:16:52,500
and they don't know
what's at the heart of it.
1376
01:16:52,533 --> 01:16:54,566
And there are
all these institutions
1377
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,466
that need to come clean
about this history.
1378
01:16:59,566 --> 01:17:01,800
This is true
of the legal community.
1379
01:17:01,833 --> 01:17:06,433
It's true of journalism.
It's true across the board.
1380
01:17:07,366 --> 01:17:09,333
Communities for themselves
have to come together
1381
01:17:09,366 --> 01:17:14,033
and talk about what they think
would repair the harm.
1382
01:17:14,066 --> 01:17:16,600
But if, together,
we face that history,
1383
01:17:16,633 --> 01:17:18,733
it leads to an opening
for dialogue;
1384
01:17:18,766 --> 01:17:20,966
it leads to an opening
for reconciliation.
1385
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,466
- Now, ladies and gentlemen,
that concludes the last scene.
1386
01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:32,100
We will return to
First African Baptist Church
1387
01:17:32,133 --> 01:17:33,600
for food and fellowship.
1388
01:17:33,633 --> 01:17:37,033
We have food waiting on you.
1389
01:17:37,066 --> 01:17:38,200
- The Moore's Ford
Memorial Committee
1390
01:17:38,233 --> 01:17:42,533
was started September of 1997.
1391
01:17:42,566 --> 01:17:46,733
We have a load of people here
for the reenactment,
1392
01:17:46,766 --> 01:17:48,366
but you can go around
and count the ones
1393
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,266
from Walton County
that'd be there.
1394
01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:56,700
So this stigma does still
touch people in a negative way.
1395
01:17:56,733 --> 01:17:59,700
[somber piano music]
1396
01:17:59,733 --> 01:18:06,300
♪
1397
01:18:06,333 --> 01:18:08,500
Certain areas
of Walton County,
1398
01:18:08,533 --> 01:18:11,300
you can go
through these subdivisions,
1399
01:18:11,333 --> 01:18:14,466
and you look at the names
of the streets,
1400
01:18:14,500 --> 01:18:17,033
and it matches the names
1401
01:18:17,066 --> 01:18:19,900
that the FBI report
says are the suspects.
1402
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:23,933
So it would really
be important
1403
01:18:23,966 --> 01:18:27,033
if we could get justice brought
1404
01:18:27,066 --> 01:18:29,266
on this particular case.
1405
01:18:29,300 --> 01:18:36,333
♪
1406
01:18:40,733 --> 01:18:42,766
If we get a break, you know,
I'll make sure
1407
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,700
I've got your phone number
before you leave here,
1408
01:18:44,733 --> 01:18:47,266
and, you know,
I'd be willing to call you
1409
01:18:47,300 --> 01:18:48,900
and let you know
what's happening.
1410
01:18:48,933 --> 01:18:50,566
Hopefully, you know,
we'll have closure
1411
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,333
on this thing pretty soon.
1412
01:18:52,366 --> 01:18:55,400
[cheers and applause]
1413
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,566
- Is Reverend Sammy
still out here?
1414
01:19:03,233 --> 01:19:07,633
Tell him we want him to bring
some words of closure, prayer,
1415
01:19:07,666 --> 01:19:10,100
and a message.
1416
01:19:10,133 --> 01:19:17,166
♪
1417
01:19:29,933 --> 01:19:33,000
[pages flipping slowly]
1418
01:19:35,266 --> 01:19:38,266
[dignified vocalizations]
1419
01:19:38,300 --> 01:19:44,233
♪
1420
01:19:44,266 --> 01:19:49,400
- ♪ Precious
1421
01:19:49,433 --> 01:19:53,833
♪ Memories
- ♪ Precious memories
1422
01:19:53,866 --> 01:19:58,300
- ♪ How
1423
01:19:58,333 --> 01:20:02,133
♪ They linger
1424
01:20:02,166 --> 01:20:06,733
♪ Ah, how
1425
01:20:06,766 --> 01:20:11,433
♪ They ever
- ♪ Burn
1426
01:20:11,466 --> 01:20:18,500
- ♪ Burn my soul
1427
01:20:21,966 --> 01:20:26,200
♪ In
1428
01:20:26,233 --> 01:20:31,233
♪ The stillness
1429
01:20:31,266 --> 01:20:35,733
♪ Of
1430
01:20:35,766 --> 01:20:40,233
♪ The midnight
1431
01:20:40,266 --> 01:20:45,266
♪ Precious
1432
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:48,766
♪ Secret
1433
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:58,966
♪ Scenes unfold
1434
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,233
♪ Ooh
1435
01:21:01,266 --> 01:21:02,866
- "The United States
Attorney's Office
1436
01:21:02,900 --> 01:21:05,133
"announced today that,
following its investigation
1437
01:21:05,166 --> 01:21:07,133
"into the death
of Lennon Lacy,
1438
01:21:07,166 --> 01:21:08,700
"there is no evidence
to pursue
1439
01:21:08,733 --> 01:21:12,133
"federal criminal
civil rights charges.
1440
01:21:13,333 --> 01:21:15,000
"Officials from
the Justice Department's
1441
01:21:15,033 --> 01:21:16,266
"civil rights division,
1442
01:21:16,300 --> 01:21:17,666
"the U.S. Attorney's Office
1443
01:21:17,700 --> 01:21:19,433
"with the Eastern District
of North Carolina,
1444
01:21:19,466 --> 01:21:21,833
"and the Federal Bureau
of Investigation met today
1445
01:21:21,866 --> 01:21:25,466
with Lennon Lacy's family to
inform them of this decision."
1446
01:21:25,500 --> 01:21:28,466
[vocalizations continue]
1447
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:32,333
- ♪ Under
1448
01:21:32,366 --> 01:21:34,833
- "The FBI assessment
has confirmed
1449
01:21:34,866 --> 01:21:36,866
"my initial opinion
1450
01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:38,766
"that the investigation
conducted
1451
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,433
"by the State Bureau
of Investigation
1452
01:21:41,466 --> 01:21:44,300
"and the Bladenboro Police
Department was complete,
1453
01:21:44,333 --> 01:21:47,400
"thorough, and professional.
1454
01:21:47,433 --> 01:21:50,600
"I would like to take
this opportunity to highlight
1455
01:21:50,633 --> 01:21:54,533
"the hard work and dedication
of the SBI special agent
1456
01:21:54,566 --> 01:21:57,533
"who went above
and beyond the call of duty
1457
01:21:57,566 --> 01:22:01,300
to see that justice
was done in this matter."
1458
01:22:01,333 --> 01:22:05,966
- ♪ Precious
1459
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:10,633
♪ Memories
1460
01:22:10,666 --> 01:22:12,300
- [exhales loudly]
1461
01:22:12,333 --> 01:22:15,300
- ♪ How
1462
01:22:15,333 --> 01:22:18,666
♪ They linger
1463
01:22:18,700 --> 01:22:21,566
- "After a careful
and thorough review
1464
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,066
"by a team of experts,
1465
01:22:25,100 --> 01:22:27,700
"the Justice Department
found no evidence to suggest
1466
01:22:27,733 --> 01:22:31,666
"that Lennon's death
was a homicide.
1467
01:22:34,233 --> 01:22:38,266
The investigation into
the incident has been closed."
1468
01:22:46,100 --> 01:22:51,433
One page for 17 years
1469
01:22:51,466 --> 01:22:52,966
of a person's life.
1470
01:23:07,033 --> 01:23:09,466
- Although the federal
authorities found
1471
01:23:09,500 --> 01:23:11,500
there was no evidence
of foul play,
1472
01:23:11,533 --> 01:23:15,533
that's not conclusive
that there was not foul play.
1473
01:23:15,566 --> 01:23:18,166
They're saying there was
no evidence of foul play.
1474
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:21,166
[somber music]
1475
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,233
♪
1476
01:23:23,266 --> 01:23:26,600
The biggest reason
that we're never gonna be able
1477
01:23:26,633 --> 01:23:28,366
to know the truth
1478
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:33,466
is law enforcement just did
not do their job adequately.
1479
01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:35,800
It was a cursory investigation,
1480
01:23:35,833 --> 01:23:39,700
and they jumped
to a conclusion,
1481
01:23:39,733 --> 01:23:41,200
and that was all she wrote.
1482
01:23:41,233 --> 01:23:48,266
♪
1483
01:23:53,133 --> 01:23:55,533
- His friends, his neighbors,
1484
01:23:55,566 --> 01:23:58,066
the kids
that he interacted with
1485
01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:03,300
looked at me with disbelief.
1486
01:24:03,333 --> 01:24:05,033
That's what made me push.
1487
01:24:06,366 --> 01:24:08,300
And I'm gonna continue
until I get the answers
1488
01:24:08,333 --> 01:24:11,166
for them
as well as for myself.
1489
01:24:21,266 --> 01:24:25,000
The more people know about it,
that's my way of grieving.
1490
01:24:26,033 --> 01:24:28,466
The more they understand
and hear his story,
1491
01:24:28,500 --> 01:24:31,866
that's my way of grieving.
1492
01:24:38,133 --> 01:24:45,100
♪♪
1493
01:25:24,466 --> 01:25:31,500
♪♪
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