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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,466 --> 00:00:06,533 - This call is from a federal prison. 2 00:00:06,566 --> 00:00:07,800 - So I'm gonna start from the beginning. 3 00:00:07,833 --> 00:00:09,500 I was born in Minneapolis. 4 00:00:09,533 --> 00:00:11,233 I'm as American as it gets. 5 00:00:11,266 --> 00:00:13,266 It's painful to speak about this. 6 00:00:13,300 --> 00:00:15,666 I regret my actions, 100%, 7 00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:18,566 but the people need to understand my reality... 8 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:19,733 - Right. 9 00:00:19,766 --> 00:00:21,633 - Is not the same as your reality. 10 00:00:21,666 --> 00:00:23,166 - Document 717. 11 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,433 Defendant Abdurahman makes plans to join ISIL. 12 00:00:26,466 --> 00:00:28,400 - Zacharia Abdurahman pled guilty. 13 00:00:28,433 --> 00:00:30,366 The judge gave him a 10-year sentence 14 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,166 and 20 years supervised release. 15 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:33,533 female narrator: A father and son 16 00:00:33,566 --> 00:00:35,366 torn apart by extremism 17 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,733 rebuild their relationship 18 00:00:36,766 --> 00:00:38,466 in this film by Eunice Lau. 19 00:00:38,500 --> 00:00:41,300 - While growing up, Zach used to get bullied 20 00:00:41,333 --> 00:00:44,333 by his friends because of me, 'cause of what I believe. 21 00:00:44,366 --> 00:00:47,733 - When I get out, I want to be a part of raising awareness 22 00:00:47,766 --> 00:00:50,133 in the community, because if there's no dialogue, 23 00:00:50,166 --> 00:00:52,233 there's just gonna be more walls built. 24 00:00:52,266 --> 00:00:55,766 narrator: "Accept the Call," now, only on Independent Lens. 25 00:00:57,633 --> 00:01:01,100 - [singer vocalizing] 26 00:01:01,133 --> 00:01:04,100 [exciting music] 27 00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:13,600 [tape clatters] 28 00:01:13,633 --> 00:01:20,266 - [whistling idly] 29 00:01:35,333 --> 00:01:39,666 - [baby-talking] 30 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:41,033 Watch this. Watch this. 31 00:01:41,066 --> 00:01:44,400 [baby-talking] 32 00:01:44,433 --> 00:01:45,466 - [exhales] 33 00:01:48,933 --> 00:01:52,133 - [speaking on phone] 34 00:02:15,066 --> 00:02:16,533 Uh... 35 00:02:16,566 --> 00:02:18,833 uh, we're gonna ha--you know-- 36 00:02:53,233 --> 00:02:54,733 - Yeah. 37 00:03:22,133 --> 00:03:25,133 [soft music] 38 00:03:52,233 --> 00:03:55,300 - [praying in foreign language] 39 00:03:59,100 --> 00:04:06,233 ♪ 40 00:04:31,833 --> 00:04:34,666 Hello. How are you? You guys, you're playing? 41 00:04:34,700 --> 00:04:36,433 Can I play with you? 42 00:04:36,466 --> 00:04:39,933 No? No? 43 00:04:39,966 --> 00:04:42,000 Fire truck. 44 00:04:51,833 --> 00:04:55,033 [all laughing] 45 00:04:55,066 --> 00:04:57,166 Hey... 46 00:04:58,433 --> 00:05:01,566 [explosives blasting] 47 00:05:32,700 --> 00:05:35,766 [explosions and gunfire continuing in distance] 48 00:05:38,433 --> 00:05:39,966 [static hisses] 49 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,966 [low, dramatic music] 50 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,866 ♪ 51 00:05:56,866 --> 00:06:03,166 ♪ WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 52 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:28,833 all: [singing in Somali] 53 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,833 I got married. 54 00:06:50,466 --> 00:06:52,466 [gentle music] 55 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:54,533 ♪ 56 00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:01,100 - Um... 57 00:07:18,366 --> 00:07:20,333 [children talking indistinctly] 58 00:08:12,733 --> 00:08:14,933 [both speaking Somali] 59 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,000 - [speaking Somali] 60 00:08:42,033 --> 00:08:43,733 - [speaking Somali] 61 00:08:43,766 --> 00:08:46,733 - Oh, yeah? [speaking Somali] 62 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,600 - [speaking Somali] 63 00:08:50,633 --> 00:08:52,833 [speaking English] 64 00:08:57,500 --> 00:09:01,566 [laughing] 65 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,633 [triumphant music] WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 66 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,633 [triumphant music] 67 00:09:04,666 --> 00:09:07,133 ♪ 68 00:09:07,166 --> 00:09:10,666 - Yeah! - That's how pros do it. 69 00:09:10,700 --> 00:09:13,133 Yeah. 70 00:09:13,166 --> 00:09:15,800 - ♪ We all want success, we all want to provide ♪ 71 00:09:15,833 --> 00:09:18,533 ♪ The dream's to make it to the top and never ever slide ♪ 72 00:09:18,566 --> 00:09:20,366 - We just did, like, one random, like, 73 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,733 com--coming, like, coming out of nowhere. [laughs] 74 00:09:23,766 --> 00:09:26,066 I'm the third-eldest in the family 75 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:27,600 of seven siblings. 76 00:09:27,633 --> 00:09:29,300 You look cute, though. 77 00:09:29,333 --> 00:09:31,466 - ♪ Numbers don't lie, 'cept the 2012 apocalypse ♪ 78 00:09:31,500 --> 00:09:33,266 ♪ Let me tell you, I'm on a roll ♪ 79 00:09:33,300 --> 00:09:35,533 ♪ Ain't nothing stopping this, gas so high ♪ 80 00:09:35,566 --> 00:09:36,900 ♪ At, like, four, maybe five bucks ♪ 81 00:09:36,933 --> 00:09:38,433 ♪ Since when was the car payment ♪ 82 00:09:38,466 --> 00:09:39,933 ♪ Equal to the price to fill up ♪ 83 00:09:39,966 --> 00:09:42,666 - My father, we see him often, 84 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:46,166 but not as much, because he doesn't live with us. 85 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,966 [percussive music playing over speakers] 86 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,733 - Everywhere we go, every turn,you're recording. 87 00:09:59,766 --> 00:10:01,433 - [laughs] 88 00:10:01,466 --> 00:10:04,100 Look at that. He's doing it. 89 00:10:04,133 --> 00:10:05,733 Did you see it? - Yeah. 90 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,600 - That was [inaudible]. Zach used to do that too. 91 00:10:09,633 --> 00:10:11,266 - I just getthe feeling of him. 92 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,200 [laughs] - Spirit. 93 00:10:17,033 --> 00:10:18,166 - Oh, he does not. 94 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,366 - Zacharia as a person was... 95 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,400 very kind. 96 00:10:25,433 --> 00:10:27,500 He was very gentle... 97 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,066 Very humble in nature. 98 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:38,566 When my dad kinda left the house, 99 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,966 Zacharia just assumed that role as the father figure. 100 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,466 He's very caring. 101 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:46,066 He would help the kids with their homework. 102 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:49,666 Loose doorknob? He's the one who fixed it. 103 00:10:49,700 --> 00:10:52,933 - You wanna take a picture? - No. 104 00:10:52,966 --> 00:10:54,400 I was just teasing. 105 00:10:54,433 --> 00:10:57,200 [indistinct chatter] 106 00:11:06,033 --> 00:11:08,933 - He liked a lot of the things that we did. 107 00:11:08,966 --> 00:11:11,166 We'd go skating. 108 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,966 We'd go horseback riding. Road trips. 109 00:11:19,033 --> 00:11:21,000 One of the main things that stands out to me 110 00:11:21,033 --> 00:11:23,266 is that, surprisingly, 111 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:26,533 he would remember everything everyone said, 112 00:11:26,566 --> 00:11:28,233 and he would just kind of, you know, ask 113 00:11:28,266 --> 00:11:30,500 about things that you don't even remember you said. 114 00:11:38,866 --> 00:11:42,366 It's--it's... 115 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,233 it's just different with him not there. 116 00:11:44,266 --> 00:11:49,466 Um, he pa--played a really prominent role in our family, 117 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:53,933 and it's just really-- like, you can... 118 00:11:53,966 --> 00:11:56,266 there's obviously not a presence there, 119 00:11:56,300 --> 00:11:57,700 I guess, is what I could say. 120 00:11:57,733 --> 00:12:04,833 ♪ WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 121 00:11:57,733 --> 00:12:04,833 ♪ 122 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,533 This is what I used to tell Zach. 123 00:12:38,333 --> 00:12:40,966 "I came here, but you were born here. 124 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,400 You can become president." 125 00:12:50,466 --> 00:12:53,533 [cell phone rings] 126 00:13:09,033 --> 00:13:11,166 [intense music] 127 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,366 ♪ 128 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:48,966 And... 129 00:14:10,533 --> 00:14:11,833 [horn blares] 130 00:14:29,633 --> 00:14:32,200 - When it all happened, I was at madrasa. 131 00:14:34,233 --> 00:14:37,400 My mom called me, and she said, "Where are you?" 132 00:14:37,433 --> 00:14:39,166 She said, "Zacharia's gone." 133 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:40,400 [wind rushing, police shouting] 134 00:14:40,433 --> 00:14:42,300 - Police department! - Go! Go! Go! 135 00:14:42,333 --> 00:14:44,000 - "The police took him." 136 00:14:44,033 --> 00:14:48,366 They raided the house, 15 or 16 of them. 137 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,500 My mom was taking a walk at this time. 138 00:14:50,533 --> 00:14:52,200 They kind of pinned her to a truck 139 00:14:52,233 --> 00:14:54,266 and told her that she couldn't move. 140 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:56,200 So when they were cuffing Zach, 141 00:14:56,233 --> 00:14:57,566 they cuffed him really hard, 142 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,433 and they told my mom, "Any last words? 143 00:14:59,466 --> 00:15:02,500 'Cause you're not gonna see him for quite some time." 144 00:15:02,533 --> 00:15:05,066 And my mom was crying WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 145 00:15:02,533 --> 00:15:05,066 And my mom was crying 146 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:07,066 and she was really devastated. 147 00:15:11,466 --> 00:15:14,533 [solemn music] 148 00:15:39,566 --> 00:15:41,400 - Six Somali-Americans in Minnesota 149 00:15:41,433 --> 00:15:43,233 were charged with attempting to enlist 150 00:15:43,266 --> 00:15:45,500 with a terrorist group. 151 00:15:45,533 --> 00:15:47,700 In November of 2014, 152 00:15:47,733 --> 00:15:52,166 FBI stopped them from boarding a plane to Turkey. 153 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,633 - The latest damaging recording revealed in court 154 00:15:54,666 --> 00:15:59,633 quoted Zacharia Abdurahman as saying, "ISIS is amazing." 155 00:15:59,666 --> 00:16:01,833 But at least ten by my count 156 00:16:01,866 --> 00:16:03,800 were asked to leave the jury pool basically 157 00:16:03,833 --> 00:16:05,900 because they said their minds were already made up. 158 00:16:05,933 --> 00:16:07,466 They believe these defendants are guilty 159 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:10,833 of these terror charges. 160 00:16:10,866 --> 00:16:12,733 [applause] 161 00:16:12,766 --> 00:16:15,466 - Thank you very much, and God bless America. 162 00:16:17,333 --> 00:16:19,400 And... 163 00:16:56,766 --> 00:16:59,300 - So that's, like, nice. Okay. 164 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:17,400 [sighs] 165 00:17:18,900 --> 00:17:21,900 [somber music] 166 00:18:01,633 --> 00:18:03,000 [coughs] WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 167 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:10,300 - Sentencing continues today for three Minnesota men 168 00:18:10,333 --> 00:18:13,900 who pleaded guilty to terror charges. 169 00:18:13,933 --> 00:18:15,066 - Well, Frank, the importance 170 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:16,833 of those who cooperated was emphasized 171 00:18:16,866 --> 00:18:18,166 by a highly unusual statement 172 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,900 by U.S. attorney Andy Luger 173 00:18:19,933 --> 00:18:22,200 at the start of today's sentencing. 174 00:18:22,233 --> 00:18:24,166 Luger said it was a daunting task 175 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,566 to testify against former friends in this case. 176 00:18:29,533 --> 00:18:31,500 Zacharia Abdurahman pled guilty 177 00:18:31,533 --> 00:18:33,966 but did not testify for the government. 178 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,566 He was facing 15 years in prison, 179 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,566 but the judge gave him a 10-year sentence 180 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,733 and 20 years supervised release. 181 00:18:56,966 --> 00:18:59,700 - Somali youth are under attack. 182 00:18:59,733 --> 00:19:02,500 What do we do? all: Stand up, fight back. 183 00:19:18,333 --> 00:19:22,100 - I go visit my brother twice or three times a week. 184 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,033 I spend a lot of time with him, catch up. 185 00:19:27,066 --> 00:19:29,400 He said that he has a lot of time 186 00:19:29,433 --> 00:19:31,833 to think about many things. 187 00:19:34,900 --> 00:19:38,533 One time he was in solitary confinement 188 00:19:38,566 --> 00:19:41,033 for, like, a week. 189 00:19:41,066 --> 00:19:44,033 Some guy called him "terrorist." 190 00:19:44,066 --> 00:19:46,033 He kinda got pissed off, a bit, 191 00:19:46,066 --> 00:19:48,233 and he tries to, you know, hold that in, 192 00:19:48,266 --> 00:19:50,333 and then this guy keeps making remarks. 193 00:19:50,366 --> 00:19:52,966 And it almost turned into a fistfight. 194 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,000 The guy got a couple days in solitary, 195 00:19:55,033 --> 00:19:56,466 but he got a week. 196 00:19:57,900 --> 00:20:00,466 23 hours locked in a cell. 197 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:02,500 You get an hour to shower, 198 00:20:02,533 --> 00:20:04,500 talk to your family if you want, 199 00:20:04,533 --> 00:20:08,233 and there's really only so much you can do. 200 00:20:08,266 --> 00:20:10,200 Um... 201 00:20:10,233 --> 00:20:14,400 and so then, he said that, at one point, 202 00:20:14,433 --> 00:20:17,333 it felt like he was actually dying. 203 00:20:17,366 --> 00:20:20,800 That--um... 204 00:20:20,833 --> 00:20:22,200 [softly] Sorry. 205 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:40,766 [mumbles to self] 206 00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:44,866 What is this thing right here? 207 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,233 Appeal denied documentations. 208 00:20:52,233 --> 00:20:54,900 - Document 717. 209 00:20:54,933 --> 00:20:57,533 During the summer of 2014, 210 00:20:57,566 --> 00:21:01,766 defendant Abdurahman makes plans with his coconspirators 211 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,433 to travel to Syria to join ISIL. WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 212 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,433 to travel to Syria to join ISIL. 213 00:21:05,466 --> 00:21:08,033 Zacharia Abdurahman: 214 00:21:08,066 --> 00:21:10,633 "It's easy, bro. 215 00:21:10,666 --> 00:21:12,266 "At the end of the day, 216 00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:15,533 "the only thing is that you got to be low-key. 217 00:21:15,566 --> 00:21:19,000 "I told these guys, Somali truck driver. 218 00:21:19,033 --> 00:21:21,600 "Just pay Somali truck driver. 219 00:21:21,633 --> 00:21:24,833 Go in the back. He will be going, bro." 220 00:21:24,866 --> 00:21:27,733 - [reading under breath] 221 00:21:27,766 --> 00:21:30,300 - Later, in a recorded conversation, 222 00:21:30,333 --> 00:21:32,000 defendant Abdurahman watched 223 00:21:32,033 --> 00:21:34,366 and talked about the ISIL propaganda video... 224 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,900 [shouting playing on video] 225 00:21:37,933 --> 00:21:41,166 [man speaking foreign language in video] 226 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,233 [prayer playing in video] 227 00:21:49,066 --> 00:21:52,133 [explosion sounds] 228 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,233 ...in which hundreds of captured military groups 229 00:21:56,266 --> 00:22:00,400 are slaughtered by ISIL executioners... 230 00:22:00,433 --> 00:22:01,833 where they are being shot in the head 231 00:22:01,866 --> 00:22:03,900 as they lie in a ditch 232 00:22:03,933 --> 00:22:08,033 or being shot in the head on the banks of the River Tigris. 233 00:22:08,066 --> 00:22:10,400 An unknown Iraqi Shi'a military recruit 234 00:22:10,433 --> 00:22:11,800 begs for his life 235 00:22:11,833 --> 00:22:14,033 shortly before he's murdered 236 00:22:14,066 --> 00:22:15,533 by ISIL. 237 00:22:16,766 --> 00:22:19,533 Codefendant Mohamed Farah laughs at the killing 238 00:22:19,566 --> 00:22:23,400 and cruelty that is displayed in the video. 239 00:22:23,433 --> 00:22:26,733 Zacharia Abdurahman makes noise of a gun firing. 240 00:22:26,766 --> 00:22:28,133 - [imitates gunfire] [laughter] 241 00:22:30,666 --> 00:22:32,466 - Yeah. 242 00:22:34,033 --> 00:22:36,266 Yeah, this was... 243 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:06,900 [children speaking Somali and laughing] 244 00:23:06,933 --> 00:23:08,800 - Where is Arun? 245 00:23:08,833 --> 00:23:10,600 - Hello. - Hi. 246 00:23:10,633 --> 00:23:13,666 all: Bye! 247 00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:16,800 [laughter and chatter] 248 00:23:16,833 --> 00:23:19,866 [children chattering] 249 00:23:20,833 --> 00:23:24,066 - Bye. children: Bye! 250 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,466 [coughs] WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 251 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,466 [both laughing] 252 00:24:18,033 --> 00:24:23,633 - Welcome to Somali Radio at KFAI Radio in Minneapolis. 253 00:24:23,666 --> 00:24:28,433 My guest today is a very old, old friend of mine, 254 00:24:28,466 --> 00:24:30,033 Yusuf Abdurahman, 255 00:24:30,066 --> 00:24:32,700 and today we are talking about radicalization. 256 00:24:32,733 --> 00:24:36,300 Recently your son was indicted, 257 00:24:36,333 --> 00:24:39,900 and he was sent to prisonfor attempting to go to Syria. 258 00:24:39,933 --> 00:24:41,200 - That's right. - And you are a dad. 259 00:24:41,233 --> 00:24:42,933 - I feel sorry that he's in prison. 260 00:24:42,966 --> 00:24:45,066 - You're very-- - But I'm very happy that-- 261 00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:46,966 - That your son was stopped? - I'm very happy. 262 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,833 Honestly, I'm very happy about it. 263 00:24:48,866 --> 00:24:50,300 - Instead of going over there? - Exactly. 264 00:24:50,333 --> 00:24:51,800 - Why? - He... [stammers] 265 00:24:51,833 --> 00:24:53,466 I would never see him again. 266 00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:55,900 - In order to arrest the MuslimSomali young people, 267 00:24:55,933 --> 00:24:58,933 do you believe there wasa conspiracy of the government 268 00:24:58,966 --> 00:25:00,666 to tryand to get our young people? 269 00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:02,566 - Well, there is-- - Some people said. 270 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,066 - Mm-hmm. 271 00:25:25,266 --> 00:25:26,333 - Yeah. 272 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,366 - Yeah. 273 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,400 - So now you want to explainto our mainstream audience 274 00:25:35,433 --> 00:25:39,633 and other community membershow radicalization takes place? 275 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,533 - Yeah, really. 276 00:25:51,566 --> 00:25:54,133 In Islam there is denominations. 277 00:25:54,166 --> 00:25:55,533 It's called madhab. 278 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,500 - Mm-hmm. 279 00:26:32,166 --> 00:26:33,733 I don't know. 280 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:44,866 [child crying] WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 281 00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:26,000 - [speaking foreign language] 282 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,266 - [speaking foreign language] 283 00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:02,033 [men praying in foreign language] 284 00:28:27,966 --> 00:28:31,333 [men praying in foreign language] 285 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,866 - Daddy! 286 00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:06,833 - [shouting playfully] 287 00:29:06,866 --> 00:29:10,800 - [shouting] 288 00:29:10,833 --> 00:29:15,000 - [screaming] 289 00:29:15,033 --> 00:29:17,666 - Hey! [laughs] - Abo! 290 00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:20,500 [laughter] 291 00:29:20,533 --> 00:29:22,833 I'm good. About to go down. - [laughs] Yeah. 292 00:29:22,866 --> 00:29:25,333 - Gonna die. 293 00:29:25,366 --> 00:29:28,366 [all laughing] 294 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:32,366 - Let go! 295 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,500 - [shrieking] 296 00:29:38,033 --> 00:29:39,833 - [laughing] Oh, my God. 297 00:29:39,866 --> 00:29:44,033 - Oh, no, no! Oh! - Oh! 298 00:29:44,066 --> 00:29:46,000 [cell phone ringing] 299 00:29:56,966 --> 00:29:58,833 - Yay! 300 00:30:02,133 --> 00:30:03,200 [phone beeps] WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 301 00:30:05,333 --> 00:30:06,533 - What's up? 302 00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:11,533 - No, he's coming tomorrow. Is that okay? 303 00:30:13,366 --> 00:30:14,533 - Yeah. 304 00:30:14,566 --> 00:30:16,500 We're all together right now, sledding. 305 00:30:16,533 --> 00:30:18,333 - I want to do it by myself. - I'm too cold! 306 00:30:18,366 --> 00:30:20,100 - Hi, Zacha. 307 00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:23,733 - Oh, hi, Zacharia. 308 00:30:24,966 --> 00:30:26,600 - Um, I'm good. 309 00:30:28,633 --> 00:30:30,833 - We're sledding! - [laughs] 310 00:30:32,066 --> 00:30:33,800 - Yeah. 311 00:30:35,533 --> 00:30:38,066 - Yeah. [sniffs] 312 00:30:40,533 --> 00:30:41,700 - Ah, yeah. 313 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,166 - All right. I'll come to you tomorrow until then. 314 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,266 In the morning. 315 00:30:47,533 --> 00:30:49,566 - I love you too. 316 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,633 - Bye. 317 00:30:50,666 --> 00:30:51,633 - [sighs] 318 00:30:51,666 --> 00:30:53,800 Actually,this is going down. 319 00:30:53,833 --> 00:30:56,800 [somber music] 320 00:31:02,566 --> 00:31:05,500 - [laughs] 321 00:31:36,566 --> 00:31:38,733 He apologized for what he did. 322 00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:41,833 He took responsibility. 323 00:32:11,066 --> 00:32:12,333 [phone beeps] 324 00:32:21,133 --> 00:32:24,200 - [speaking Somali] 325 00:32:37,566 --> 00:32:40,233 - Yeah. It's all right. Family's okay. 326 00:32:40,266 --> 00:32:43,366 It's good, kinda talking, chilling with the kids 327 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,200 and things like that, you know? 328 00:32:45,233 --> 00:32:47,633 It's all right. So what's--what's up? 329 00:32:47,666 --> 00:32:49,333 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 330 00:33:03,466 --> 00:33:04,866 You know? - Uh-huh. WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 331 00:33:03,466 --> 00:33:04,866 You know? - Uh-huh. 332 00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:07,166 [coughs] 333 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,233 [phone beeps] 334 00:33:09,633 --> 00:33:11,366 - Yeah, I'm still here. 335 00:33:24,333 --> 00:33:25,633 ...those, uh... 336 00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:40,300 So I--I--I-- just wanna ask you 337 00:33:40,333 --> 00:33:42,266 what kind of books and stuff and... 338 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:51,900 Um... 339 00:33:58,366 --> 00:34:00,166 - Uh-huh. 340 00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:05,166 - Right. 341 00:34:27,700 --> 00:34:30,000 - Okay. 342 00:34:53,333 --> 00:34:54,333 [phone beeps] 343 00:34:54,366 --> 00:34:55,866 You know? - [laughs] 344 00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:57,833 [both laughing] 345 00:35:02,066 --> 00:35:03,533 - Okay. 346 00:35:06,466 --> 00:35:08,833 - Yeah, but that's--yeah. 347 00:35:22,633 --> 00:35:24,233 [man speaking foreign language in video] 348 00:35:36,266 --> 00:35:37,900 [siren wailing] WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 349 00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:06,466 - This call is from a federal prison. 350 00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:07,533 - Okay. 351 00:36:14,266 --> 00:36:15,633 - Okay. 352 00:36:32,533 --> 00:36:33,733 [phone beeps] 353 00:36:46,966 --> 00:36:48,400 - Okay. 354 00:36:51,366 --> 00:36:52,500 [line beeps] 355 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,333 - Hello? 356 00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:07,633 [inspiring music] 357 00:37:14,466 --> 00:37:16,033 - ♪ I don't 358 00:37:16,066 --> 00:37:17,566 ♪ Stay 359 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,400 ♪ Down 360 00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:28,166 - ♪ Keep on fighting 361 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,166 ♪ Fork in the road, left or right ♪ 362 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,800 ♪ Don't know which way to take ♪ 363 00:37:31,833 --> 00:37:33,266 ♪ Promises are made 364 00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:34,866 ♪ Don't know whether I should keep them ♪ 365 00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:36,333 ♪ Break them, maybe I should just... ♪ 366 00:37:36,366 --> 00:37:38,133 - Ah! 367 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,066 - Ah! 368 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:51,033 ♪ 369 00:38:06,533 --> 00:38:08,500 - ♪ Keep on fighting 370 00:38:08,533 --> 00:38:11,666 ♪ Never surrender, never surrender ♪ 371 00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:13,400 ♪ Even when you're under pressure ♪ 372 00:38:13,433 --> 00:38:15,566 ♪ One thing to always remember ♪ 373 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,666 ♪ Never surrender, never surrender ♪ 374 00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:22,033 ♪ One thing, not a chance 375 00:38:22,066 --> 00:38:23,700 ♪ 376 00:38:23,733 --> 00:38:27,033 - Still cold. Watch out. 377 00:38:27,066 --> 00:38:29,433 Still today we are very close. 378 00:38:31,633 --> 00:38:34,733 [clapping and tapping bottle] 379 00:38:34,766 --> 00:38:36,233 [music playing from phone] 380 00:38:36,266 --> 00:38:37,700 Don't break that. 381 00:38:37,733 --> 00:38:39,300 [music continues playing] 382 00:38:39,333 --> 00:38:41,166 - ♪ I've got my ticket for the long way round ♪ 383 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,133 - Here you go. Use that. - It's gonna break. 384 00:38:43,166 --> 00:38:44,500 Are you serious? [laughs] - Use that. 385 00:38:44,533 --> 00:38:46,733 - The bottom is gonna break. 386 00:38:46,766 --> 00:38:48,666 - Just break it. Use this. 387 00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:50,966 [music continues playing] 388 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,900 - And then... [imitates blast] 389 00:38:52,933 --> 00:38:56,033 I don't know. There is just a lot of shame 390 00:38:56,066 --> 00:38:58,066 'cause it's like there's a personal identity. 391 00:38:58,100 --> 00:38:59,500 There's someone's personal traits 392 00:38:59,533 --> 00:39:01,433 and what they like to do, 393 00:39:01,466 --> 00:39:03,966 and then there's the cultureof your parents 394 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,366 that you also have to adhere toin very many ways WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 395 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,366 that you also have to adhere toin very many ways 396 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,466 and, you know, like, also respect. 397 00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:12,266 Then there's the culture of--of the place where you reside. 398 00:39:16,933 --> 00:39:18,200 - Yeah. 399 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:48,466 - Mmm. 400 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,466 [imitating old woman] 401 00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:56,866 "Okay." [laughs] 402 00:40:10,866 --> 00:40:12,400 - That's interesting. 403 00:40:12,433 --> 00:40:14,266 - Okay. 404 00:40:22,333 --> 00:40:23,700 - [laughs] Oh, my gosh. 405 00:40:23,733 --> 00:40:25,133 - [makes comicalsmooching sound] 406 00:40:25,166 --> 00:40:26,200 [laughs] 407 00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:29,966 All right. 408 00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:36,166 - What do we do? all: Stand up, fight back! 409 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,366 - What do we do? 410 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,666 all: Stand up, fight back. 411 00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:42,866 - I want to thank you all for coming out today. 412 00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:44,166 Just short of two years ago, 413 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,733 the FBI seized Zacharia Abdurahman, 414 00:40:46,766 --> 00:40:48,733 my eldest brother, with a case built 415 00:40:48,766 --> 00:40:51,633 solely upon illegitimate FBI informancy. 416 00:40:51,666 --> 00:40:53,400 Mending broken communities 417 00:40:53,433 --> 00:40:56,133 stigmatized by covert government funding to stop 418 00:40:56,166 --> 00:40:58,266 the so-called radicalization of Somali youth and... 419 00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:10,800 We are refusing to accept that we have problems. 420 00:41:24,166 --> 00:41:28,166 "Release plan for Zacharia Abdurahman." 421 00:41:30,633 --> 00:41:32,600 The Somali Youth of Minnesota, 422 00:41:32,633 --> 00:41:34,266 Somali American Parents Association, 423 00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:36,600 organizations that help us. 424 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,533 Everywhere I dig, I can find some interesting stuff 425 00:41:41,566 --> 00:41:43,900 about Zach and, you know, 426 00:41:43,933 --> 00:41:48,766 his life and the case and court and government stuff. 427 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,300 - So I ask of you, bearers of justice, 428 00:41:51,333 --> 00:41:53,466 repeat and remember their names with me. 429 00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:55,466 Zacharia. all: Zacharia. 430 00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:57,366 - Guled. all: Guled. 431 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,966 - Hanad. all: Hanad. 432 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,933 - Abdurahman. all: Abdurahman. 433 00:42:00,966 --> 00:42:02,200 - We all do. Thank you so much. 434 00:42:02,233 --> 00:42:05,600 [cheers and applause] WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 435 00:42:02,233 --> 00:42:05,600 [cheers and applause] 436 00:42:05,633 --> 00:42:07,200 - Okay, everyone! 437 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,466 - Tony Osman. 438 00:42:19,366 --> 00:42:21,400 - The assignments first started, like, 439 00:42:21,433 --> 00:42:24,366 "Get us this phone number. Get us that phone number. 440 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,500 Go make contact with this person." 441 00:42:26,533 --> 00:42:28,700 - His FBI handlers gave Tony 442 00:42:28,733 --> 00:42:31,333 a wire to record dozens of conversations. 443 00:43:01,433 --> 00:43:03,600 - What's up? - Hello. 444 00:43:08,466 --> 00:43:10,233 - ...if I introduce myself. 445 00:43:10,266 --> 00:43:12,833 So I'm Yusuf. 446 00:43:12,866 --> 00:43:16,666 I'm glad that I came and meet you today. 447 00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:20,566 I want to ask you about my son, Zach. 448 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,966 Have you ever met Zach? 449 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,300 - Yeah. 450 00:43:24,333 --> 00:43:26,633 You know, this is a pictureof your son, Zach. 451 00:43:28,466 --> 00:43:31,333 So since I startedbeing a FBI informant, 452 00:43:31,366 --> 00:43:33,800 which was in June 2014, 453 00:43:33,833 --> 00:43:35,933 I saw him regularlyhanging out, right? 454 00:43:35,966 --> 00:43:38,033 All this group.Well, the FBI was telling me, 455 00:43:38,066 --> 00:43:39,433 "Encourage them,"and they told me, 456 00:43:39,466 --> 00:43:42,400 "You can't sayor do anything to stop that. 457 00:43:42,433 --> 00:43:44,700 "You can only agreeand encourage 458 00:43:44,733 --> 00:43:47,333 and also saythat you want to go too." 459 00:43:47,366 --> 00:43:49,466 - But that is a setup. - Yeah, and it felt like 460 00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:51,233 that could beentrapment, you know? 461 00:43:51,266 --> 00:43:55,033 I mean, straight-up, the FBItold me they want convictions 462 00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:57,166 and they wantterrorism convictions, 463 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,100 and we can easily get them. 464 00:43:59,133 --> 00:44:01,166 That's an exact quotefrom my handlers. 465 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,700 And I even was introducedto him by name, you know? 466 00:44:04,733 --> 00:44:06,800 "Say salaam to the brothers,"you know? 467 00:44:06,833 --> 00:44:08,966 "Assalamu alaikum, brother."[laughs] 468 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,433 And then they,"Oh, come through." 469 00:44:11,466 --> 00:44:14,233 I always observed your sona little bit more chilled back, 470 00:44:14,266 --> 00:44:16,200 just a little bit more calmer. 471 00:44:17,466 --> 00:44:19,966 Even from this picturethat I took, 472 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,866 you can see he's sitting--and his body language. 473 00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:23,233 Look. He's sitting like this. 474 00:44:23,266 --> 00:44:24,800 - Yeah. - Laid back, kinda chill, 475 00:44:24,833 --> 00:44:26,800 just laughing, having a-- trying to have a good time. 476 00:44:28,533 --> 00:44:32,433 But you gotta understand whereyour son is getting the ideas. 477 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,733 Saudi Arabia money camps with--this book is from Saudi Arabia. 478 00:44:38,766 --> 00:44:40,633 - And this is one is among the Somali community. 479 00:44:40,666 --> 00:44:43,133 All the stores everywhere. Kids read this. 480 00:44:43,166 --> 00:44:45,666 - And they're substituting thisfor something that's--you know, 481 00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:47,200 the Koran and other good stuff. 482 00:44:47,233 --> 00:44:48,266 But anyway... 483 00:44:49,866 --> 00:44:51,866 - There's a lot of Muslims here. 484 00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:53,466 Where do you think that we can stop this? 485 00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:54,566 How can we stop this? 486 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,700 It seems that our children are softer. 487 00:44:56,733 --> 00:44:59,200 - Yeah, a naive target is the best target 488 00:44:59,233 --> 00:45:01,200 when you're a terrorist recruiter. 489 00:45:01,233 --> 00:45:03,300 The actual number onebest target 490 00:45:03,333 --> 00:45:05,533 is someone who's recentlybeen traumatized WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 491 00:45:03,333 --> 00:45:05,533 is someone who's recentlybeen traumatized 492 00:45:05,566 --> 00:45:07,600 or feels like some sortof injustice 493 00:45:07,633 --> 00:45:08,800 has been done to them. 494 00:45:10,366 --> 00:45:13,866 And then as a naive kidwho grew up in the U.S. 495 00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:16,566 playing video games,it goes with the fantasy, 496 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,733 and they love listening andwatching more than anything. 497 00:45:19,766 --> 00:45:22,466 And the way the ISIS videos are made, 498 00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:24,266 they're better than any damn Hollywood movie 499 00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:26,733 I've ever seen, so-- - "Let's go practice." 500 00:45:26,766 --> 00:45:27,933 - Exactly. - Somebody's-- 501 00:45:27,966 --> 00:45:28,933 - "Let's go make this a reality," right? 502 00:45:28,966 --> 00:45:30,500 - Yeah. 503 00:45:30,533 --> 00:45:32,966 - I think that, really, there's nothing you could have done 504 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,533 without knowing. 505 00:46:09,866 --> 00:46:11,766 "This is not Zach, you know?" 506 00:46:49,833 --> 00:46:50,900 [phone beeps] 507 00:46:54,866 --> 00:46:56,133 Okay? 508 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,266 - This call is from a federal prison. 509 00:47:32,666 --> 00:47:33,833 - Mm. 510 00:47:37,266 --> 00:47:38,333 - Mm. 511 00:47:44,866 --> 00:47:46,400 - Mm. WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 512 00:48:27,733 --> 00:48:30,133 - But that is--that's-- - Although--although-- 513 00:48:30,166 --> 00:48:31,466 at the time--yeah. 514 00:48:37,333 --> 00:48:39,433 - But the thing is-- 515 00:48:41,066 --> 00:48:42,466 - Okay. 516 00:48:45,266 --> 00:48:47,100 - Right. They do. 517 00:48:47,133 --> 00:48:48,200 - That's... 518 00:48:55,666 --> 00:48:57,600 That's what I'm saying. 519 00:48:57,633 --> 00:48:59,000 Yeah. 520 00:49:02,833 --> 00:49:05,833 [tense music] 521 00:49:05,866 --> 00:49:10,633 ♪ 522 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:18,866 - No. 523 00:49:26,733 --> 00:49:27,966 ...but... 524 00:49:31,166 --> 00:49:32,633 [phone beeps] 525 00:49:32,666 --> 00:49:33,800 ...I--I--I... 526 00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:40,633 So--so no-- 527 00:49:44,433 --> 00:49:45,500 - Yup. 528 00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:49,233 - Uh-huh. 529 00:49:53,733 --> 00:49:56,100 - This call is from a federal prison. 530 00:50:04,366 --> 00:50:09,066 - I want to--I want to--to hear from you, to learn from you. 531 00:50:24,966 --> 00:50:27,300 - I--I agree with you. [phone beeps] 532 00:50:27,333 --> 00:50:28,366 - Yup. 533 00:50:37,533 --> 00:50:38,800 [line beeps] 534 00:50:56,866 --> 00:50:58,800 - [sighs, coughs] 535 00:50:58,833 --> 00:51:01,866 [melancholy music] 536 00:52:20,533 --> 00:52:27,600 ♪ 537 00:52:34,633 --> 00:52:38,200 - ...buy itineraries and go. - When you took that picture, 538 00:52:38,233 --> 00:52:39,266 was way back. 539 00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:41,800 - Uh-huh. - So this is the mosque? 540 00:52:41,833 --> 00:52:43,466 - Yeah, this is Dar Al Farooq, 541 00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:46,033 where yourson's photo was taken. 542 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,133 That mosque, Saudi Arabia had funded it a little bit 543 00:52:51,166 --> 00:52:52,733 and some of the books. 544 00:52:52,766 --> 00:52:55,533 Then a lot of the lessons that were done here 545 00:52:55,566 --> 00:52:57,433 were actually Wahhabi curriculum. 546 00:52:57,466 --> 00:52:59,266 - Wahhabi, Salafi. - Yeah. 547 00:52:59,300 --> 00:53:00,933 And the picture that I took was right there, 548 00:53:00,966 --> 00:53:03,166 Literally under that window, right there. 549 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,533 I'll show you. 550 00:53:05,566 --> 00:53:07,233 Right there. 551 00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:11,266 They were watching a couple of videos, 552 00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:12,700 chat. 553 00:53:12,733 --> 00:53:15,533 I'd sit literally in the opposite corner. 554 00:53:15,566 --> 00:53:18,500 They didn't allow me to see what they were watching, 555 00:53:18,533 --> 00:53:20,266 and then we'd leave, 556 00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:22,033 and we'd go get some foodor something, yeah. 557 00:53:23,766 --> 00:53:25,400 - Yeah. 558 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,133 - If I were you, I would tell the imam and the people. 559 00:53:29,166 --> 00:53:30,233 - Yeah. - Have you ever thought 560 00:53:30,266 --> 00:53:31,500 about it? - Yeah, well, the thing is 561 00:53:31,533 --> 00:53:34,233 with here, becauseit's rotating imams, 562 00:53:34,266 --> 00:53:36,033 there's no central authority. 563 00:53:36,066 --> 00:53:37,766 - Okay. - So this is, like, the perfect 564 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,466 environmentto radicalize someone. 565 00:53:44,733 --> 00:53:45,800 - Huh? 566 00:53:47,666 --> 00:53:49,233 - Oh, okay, that's fine.We'll step over here. 567 00:53:49,266 --> 00:53:50,600 - Over here, we can step over there then? 568 00:53:50,633 --> 00:53:52,733 - Yeah. - Uh, yeah. Yeah. 569 00:53:52,766 --> 00:53:54,200 - Oh, you're talkingabout here? 570 00:53:54,233 --> 00:53:55,266 - Yes. 571 00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:56,866 - Ah, okay. - Yeah, no problem. 572 00:53:56,900 --> 00:53:58,433 So I was telling-- 573 00:53:58,466 --> 00:54:01,766 so later on, as time changed, the lessons 574 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,433 at the mosque changed, like, from some of these-- WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 575 00:54:04,466 --> 00:54:06,166 Shias, they give the lecture, 576 00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,566 and they say that, you know, jihad is this and that, 577 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,266 and you can't do jihad now. 578 00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:11,666 They dismiss that completely 579 00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:14,933 as wrong interpretation and anti-jihad. 580 00:54:14,966 --> 00:54:16,833 But then the kids would be like, 581 00:54:16,866 --> 00:54:19,866 "Well, what about like, all this stuff going on in, 582 00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:22,400 like, Syria, for example?" You know? 583 00:54:22,433 --> 00:54:24,733 "The poor kids being killed?" You know. 584 00:54:24,766 --> 00:54:28,400 And then an active recruiter who is sort of, like, 585 00:54:28,433 --> 00:54:30,500 a accelerator of the radicalization, 586 00:54:30,533 --> 00:54:32,933 and he would be like, "Nope, there is jihad now. 587 00:54:32,966 --> 00:54:35,233 "Any time a Muslim has been killed, 588 00:54:35,266 --> 00:54:38,666 you have to go defend them," and if you can support ISIS 589 00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:41,166 "and--financially or material support, 590 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,100 "do that, or if you can go, do that. 591 00:54:43,133 --> 00:54:45,133 That's, like, all jihad," you know, right? 592 00:54:45,166 --> 00:54:46,866 - Oh. You know, I-- 593 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,033 - No, this isa public sidewalk here. 594 00:54:51,866 --> 00:54:53,066 - Okay. 595 00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:54,566 - But this area is a public easement. 596 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,500 I can callthe police right now, 597 00:54:56,533 --> 00:54:58,700 and they'll come tell you this is a public--hey, 598 00:54:58,733 --> 00:55:00,133 hey, just stand right here. 599 00:55:00,166 --> 00:55:01,600 - Oh, okay. - On the street. 600 00:55:01,633 --> 00:55:02,833 He can't say nothing on the street, man. 601 00:55:02,866 --> 00:55:05,433 Come over here. Is this public too? 602 00:55:08,333 --> 00:55:10,133 - Yeah, that's fine.So okay. 603 00:55:10,166 --> 00:55:13,900 [tense music] 604 00:55:13,933 --> 00:55:15,400 He would say,"You go sit in that corner," 605 00:55:15,433 --> 00:55:17,400 so I have no ideawhat's going on, 606 00:55:17,433 --> 00:55:19,466 and then to me,they seemed like little kids 607 00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:22,266 that were such small friesand small fish that, 608 00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:23,933 in my mind, the FBI hadno interest in them. 609 00:55:23,966 --> 00:55:25,733 - But later--but later on you--later on, 610 00:55:25,766 --> 00:55:27,366 you realized that the FBI-- 611 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,766 - No, I didn't--I didn'tuntil way later. 612 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,366 Like, this is, like, one weekbefore they did the raids. 613 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:34,700 - Yeah. - They told me, 614 00:55:34,733 --> 00:55:36,300 "Yeah, we're interestedin those kids." 615 00:55:36,333 --> 00:55:37,733 - Okay, all right. 616 00:55:43,966 --> 00:55:46,133 And you did nothing. 617 00:55:46,166 --> 00:55:49,666 And you watched my kidrecruited by someone. 618 00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:50,833 By Amir Meshal. - I didn't--well, 619 00:55:50,866 --> 00:55:52,066 hold on a second. - No, no. 620 00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:53,300 - He was already recruited. 621 00:55:53,333 --> 00:55:54,900 I didn't watch anybody get recruited, man. 622 00:55:54,933 --> 00:55:56,100 You're not getting this in your mind right. 623 00:55:56,133 --> 00:55:57,366 - No, no, no,he show--he show-- 624 00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,733 - Look, man, Zach was hanging out 625 00:55:58,766 --> 00:56:00,900 with these recruiters for at least one year 626 00:56:00,933 --> 00:56:04,033 before I started informing, and he already had given him 627 00:56:04,066 --> 00:56:05,833 his philosophy, his radicalization, 628 00:56:05,866 --> 00:56:08,066 and already showed him ISIS videos. 629 00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:10,200 - I got a differentperspective now. 630 00:56:10,233 --> 00:56:13,400 You took the picture while mychild was sitting over there. 631 00:56:13,433 --> 00:56:16,900 I don't know what my childwas listening and watching 632 00:56:16,933 --> 00:56:18,366 through the YouTubeand the stuff like that. 633 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,766 - I didn't either. I assume they were watching-- 634 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,166 - You knew. You knew. - Yeah. 635 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,133 - As a man, I would stand upfor justice for everybody else. 636 00:56:24,166 --> 00:56:25,533 - I believe in justice for all, man. 637 00:56:25,566 --> 00:56:26,900 - You didn't--you didn't do itfor my kid. 638 00:56:26,933 --> 00:56:28,100 - How did I not do that? 639 00:56:28,133 --> 00:56:29,466 Tell me how I could have done it. 640 00:56:30,933 --> 00:56:32,633 - Well... - Well, how? 641 00:56:32,666 --> 00:56:33,866 - How? - What would you have done 642 00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:35,233 if you were me? 643 00:56:35,266 --> 00:56:38,233 [tense music] 644 00:56:38,266 --> 00:56:40,900 - Welcome back, KFAI. 645 00:56:40,933 --> 00:56:43,733 Today my guest, Mr. Yusuf. 646 00:56:43,766 --> 00:56:47,166 You kept saying Wahhabi, Saudi Arabia, interpretation. 647 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,466 - We have to go back to the basics and know 648 00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:54,900 about ideology of Wahhabis, 649 00:56:54,933 --> 00:56:57,000 and these books with this ideology 650 00:56:57,033 --> 00:56:59,300 are there in English now. WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 651 00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:20,366 The problem is they don'thave a community 652 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,533 that knows radicalizationsand that guide them. 653 00:57:24,566 --> 00:57:26,866 They don't have imamsor sheikhs 654 00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:28,400 understand the problem. 655 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,733 [speaking Somali] 656 00:57:34,666 --> 00:57:37,100 Well, I'm going to distribute this flyer, 657 00:57:37,133 --> 00:57:40,966 raise awareness about terrorism and radicalization 658 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,600 and some kids leaving and things like that. 659 00:57:47,866 --> 00:57:48,966 Here you go. 660 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,533 It's written in Somali and English. 661 00:57:50,566 --> 00:57:52,833 - [speaking Somali] 662 00:57:52,866 --> 00:57:54,666 - [speaking Somali] 663 00:57:54,700 --> 00:57:55,666 - [speaking Somali] 664 00:57:55,700 --> 00:57:57,233 - [speaking Somali] 665 00:57:57,266 --> 00:57:58,766 - [speaking Somali] 666 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,400 - A lot of people in our community are still in denial. 667 00:58:04,433 --> 00:58:07,233 We have a problem, and we haveto come out and just say, 668 00:58:07,266 --> 00:58:09,433 "Listen, the mosqueshas to stand up. 669 00:58:09,466 --> 00:58:11,433 The sheikhs and imamshas to stand up." 670 00:58:15,066 --> 00:58:18,533 It's literature. Read that. You read that. 671 00:58:18,566 --> 00:58:19,666 - [speaking Somali urgently] 672 00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:22,266 - Oh, thank you. Thank you. 673 00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:24,033 It's just awareness. 674 00:58:24,066 --> 00:58:26,733 We're just giving awareness tothe kids and to Somali youth. 675 00:58:26,766 --> 00:58:30,400 I said about watch outwhen we teach the kids. 676 00:58:30,433 --> 00:58:33,200 Don't read--don't read misinterpretations, 677 00:58:33,233 --> 00:58:36,866 Saudi misinterpretation books. Salafi, Wahhabi books, 678 00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:38,833 don't read-- don't teach the kids. 679 00:58:38,866 --> 00:58:41,833 I'm--I'm against violence. Look at that. 680 00:58:41,866 --> 00:58:44,200 Look at that. Look at that. Look at this older man. 681 00:58:44,233 --> 00:58:46,066 I'm in a public place, okay? 682 00:58:52,833 --> 00:58:54,066 - Right here? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 683 00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:56,533 - Right here?This is a sidewalk. 684 00:58:56,566 --> 00:58:58,933 - He's come out of a place of concern, 685 00:58:58,966 --> 00:59:00,766 but I think it's difficult for the person 686 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,533 who's receiving it to see that. 687 00:59:05,566 --> 00:59:07,433 - You're gonna call anotherMuslim a traitor 688 00:59:07,466 --> 00:59:08,733 and the whole world a traitor? 689 00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:11,433 - That's what it say. - That's hadith. 690 00:59:12,966 --> 00:59:14,266 - Whoa. Hey. 691 00:59:16,133 --> 00:59:17,400 - This is public space. - Move. 692 00:59:28,633 --> 00:59:29,833 - Hey, listen. 693 00:59:35,733 --> 00:59:38,700 - The former U.S. attorney attempted to initiate a program 694 00:59:38,733 --> 00:59:41,933 titled CVE, Countering Violent Extremism, 695 00:59:41,966 --> 00:59:44,266 a program that only targets Muslim communities 696 00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:46,733 and is both stigmatizing and alienating 697 00:59:46,766 --> 00:59:48,800 because it furthers this false assumption 698 00:59:48,833 --> 00:59:50,866 that American Muslims are not fully invested 699 00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:53,366 in honoring our religious and civic duties. 700 00:59:59,866 --> 01:00:01,466 - Our youth are confused 701 01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:02,766 becauseof what these imams say. 702 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,833 They say today something.Tomorrow they say something WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 703 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,833 They say today something.Tomorrow they say something 704 01:00:04,866 --> 01:00:06,600 completely againstand different. 705 01:00:06,633 --> 01:00:08,966 Oh, you are against me?"Don't send to my kids. 706 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,500 Just go." You go fight. 707 01:00:11,533 --> 01:00:12,800 - We don't, as a society, 708 01:00:12,833 --> 01:00:15,000 look for the goodness of people. 709 01:00:15,033 --> 01:00:18,733 There's always two sides to a story, if not more. 710 01:00:20,633 --> 01:00:22,366 Why don't you call the police? 711 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,466 - Get out of here. 712 01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:24,833 - Why don't you call the police? 713 01:00:24,866 --> 01:00:26,600 I'm here. I'm here. 714 01:00:26,633 --> 01:00:28,366 What's the problem? I don't understand. 715 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:38,466 ♪ 716 01:01:30,166 --> 01:01:33,900 You become very lonely into your own community. 717 01:01:34,833 --> 01:01:37,833 [ominous percussive music] 718 01:01:37,866 --> 01:01:44,900 ♪ 719 01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:58,866 - We're collecting commissary and different kind of donations 720 01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:00,866 to keep this campaign and advocacy alive 721 01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:02,400 and to put, essentially, 722 01:02:02,433 --> 01:02:05,566 money on the books of these young men. 723 01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,766 - Terrorism is not a disease, nor is it a religion. 724 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,233 - Islam becomes the biggest threat to the United States. 725 01:02:11,266 --> 01:02:13,066 - It was like a hit and run, 726 01:02:13,100 --> 01:02:15,166 like you pulled the trigger on your gun. 727 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,066 Do you know how it feels to lose a loved one? 728 01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:19,633 - I have every right to due process. Shut up. 729 01:02:19,666 --> 01:02:23,666 - Black privilege is the hung elephant swinging in the room, 730 01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:26,533 is the memory of a slave ship praying for the Alzheimer's 731 01:02:26,566 --> 01:02:28,200 to kick in. 732 01:02:28,233 --> 01:02:29,933 Black privilege is me having already 733 01:02:29,966 --> 01:02:31,766 memorized my nephew's eulogy, 734 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,766 my brother's eulogy, my father's eulogy, 735 01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,700 my unconceived child's eulogy. 736 01:02:35,733 --> 01:02:37,766 Black privilege is knowing that if I die, 737 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,233 at least Al Sharpton will show up to my funeral. 738 01:02:40,266 --> 01:02:42,933 At least Al Sharpton will Mason jar my mother's tears, 739 01:02:42,966 --> 01:02:44,300 reminding us that the only thing we are worthy of 740 01:02:44,333 --> 01:02:46,066 is our own death. 741 01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:48,233 We are judged by the number of people it takes 742 01:02:48,266 --> 01:02:49,733 to carry our casket. 743 01:02:49,766 --> 01:02:51,800 Black privilege is me thinking that's enough. 744 01:02:51,833 --> 01:02:53,733 It's me thinking this poem is enough. 745 01:02:53,766 --> 01:02:56,166 Black privilege is this-- 746 01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,766 is this breath in my lungs right now, 747 01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,766 is me standing right here 748 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,366 with a crowd full of witnesses to my heartbeat. 749 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,566 Thank you. 750 01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,633 [cheers and applause] WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 751 01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,633 [cheers and applause] 752 01:03:20,433 --> 01:03:23,200 [men praying in foreign language] 753 01:03:30,233 --> 01:03:32,266 - That's an ISIS prayer. 754 01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:35,000 They're specifically talking about mothers. 755 01:03:35,033 --> 01:03:38,100 [prayer continues] 756 01:03:38,133 --> 01:03:40,966 It says that, uh, "Don't be sad, Mom. 757 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,533 "Don't be sad. I'm going for jihad. 758 01:03:44,566 --> 01:03:47,433 "This is a source of glory and pride for you. 759 01:03:47,466 --> 01:03:50,266 "I will be getting the best of awards. 760 01:03:50,300 --> 01:03:54,666 Don't cry, oh, Mom. Don't cry. I'm going for you." 761 01:03:54,700 --> 01:03:56,333 [rapid gunfire] 762 01:03:56,366 --> 01:04:01,400 It's a hypnotic melody. It's a hypnotic cult. 763 01:04:01,433 --> 01:04:02,866 It's so powerful. 764 01:04:02,900 --> 01:04:05,733 It's so potent. It's so glorified. 765 01:04:05,766 --> 01:04:10,166 It puts them at the status of an elite top soldier 766 01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,433 who can only go higher. 767 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,433 - Because my father 768 01:04:19,466 --> 01:04:22,066 was murdered by these people. 769 01:04:23,933 --> 01:04:26,800 [rapid gunfire] 770 01:04:26,833 --> 01:04:31,400 To me, they are con men that want power, 771 01:04:31,433 --> 01:04:35,033 but if you want power and you want money 772 01:04:35,066 --> 01:04:36,833 and somebody promises that to you, 773 01:04:36,866 --> 01:04:40,900 and hey, you can get away with it, that's what this is. 774 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,733 At the end of all this game of all these humans, 775 01:04:46,766 --> 01:04:48,166 it's elitism. 776 01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:49,833 Just like with the Nazis. 777 01:04:49,866 --> 01:04:50,900 Elitism. 778 01:05:05,866 --> 01:05:08,200 - This call is from a federal prison. 779 01:05:13,966 --> 01:05:15,033 - Right. 780 01:05:25,566 --> 01:05:26,633 - Okay. 781 01:05:35,466 --> 01:05:37,800 - Okay. Okay. I'm list--I'm listening. 782 01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,466 - Okay, okay. - I'm gonna listen. 783 01:05:41,966 --> 01:05:43,666 [bell ringing] 784 01:05:55,133 --> 01:05:56,833 It wasn't... WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 785 01:06:31,366 --> 01:06:32,433 - [sniffles] 786 01:06:42,733 --> 01:06:45,333 - This call is from a federal prison. 787 01:07:13,466 --> 01:07:14,533 You know? 788 01:07:21,066 --> 01:07:22,366 - Yeah. 789 01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:23,600 - Yup. 790 01:07:25,333 --> 01:07:26,600 - Yeah. 791 01:07:44,533 --> 01:07:45,566 You know? [line beeps] 792 01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:46,766 - Okay. 793 01:08:01,566 --> 01:08:02,633 You know? 794 01:08:21,266 --> 01:08:23,400 - This call is from a federal prison. 795 01:08:35,666 --> 01:08:37,266 - So obviously, you know-- 796 01:08:47,266 --> 01:08:48,900 - I wasn't-- - 'Cause-- 797 01:08:53,433 --> 01:08:54,500 - Yeah. WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 798 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:33,600 You know? 799 01:09:33,633 --> 01:09:35,833 [sorrowful music] 800 01:09:38,166 --> 01:09:40,400 ♪ 801 01:09:59,266 --> 01:10:00,900 - [clears throat] 802 01:10:29,633 --> 01:10:31,266 And me and my wife and children 803 01:10:31,300 --> 01:10:32,833 used to go to that mosque. 804 01:11:57,333 --> 01:11:59,400 - My wife, she used to say... WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 805 01:12:10,966 --> 01:12:13,666 ♪ 806 01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:34,366 ♪ 807 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,233 And, uh... 808 01:13:02,266 --> 01:13:06,366 ...that I came from some... 809 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,033 another planet, and... 810 01:13:09,066 --> 01:13:12,933 that I had... 811 01:13:12,966 --> 01:13:16,766 some weird, crazy... 812 01:14:04,666 --> 01:14:07,666 [stirring piano music] 813 01:14:07,700 --> 01:14:14,733 ♪ 814 01:14:34,966 --> 01:14:36,633 - [laughs] 815 01:14:42,933 --> 01:14:44,833 Well, you're doing a good job, advocating, 816 01:14:44,866 --> 01:14:47,666 standing up for justice and things like that. 817 01:14:47,700 --> 01:14:49,000 But you know what I afraid? 818 01:14:49,033 --> 01:14:50,066 - Hmm? 819 01:14:52,333 --> 01:14:54,833 And if you don't know what their mission is, 820 01:14:54,866 --> 01:14:56,700 you don't know whose finance it is, 821 01:14:56,733 --> 01:15:02,566 all your energy might go into negative way 822 01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,400 and might come back to you, you know? WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 823 01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,400 and might come back to you, you know? 824 01:15:05,433 --> 01:15:09,633 - Your caution is valid,like, as a parent, 825 01:15:09,666 --> 01:15:12,833 but, like, also peacefullyassembling or voicing 826 01:15:12,866 --> 01:15:16,233 my concern or speaking outis a part of my right. 827 01:15:16,266 --> 01:15:18,466 It's, you know,constitutionally correct for me 828 01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:20,933 to be able to speakwhat I want, right? 829 01:15:20,966 --> 01:15:22,733 Essentially, like, I know,like, there's so many... 830 01:15:26,966 --> 01:15:28,133 - But, like... 831 01:15:50,266 --> 01:15:52,300 - There's so many issues 832 01:15:52,333 --> 01:15:57,600 that I think the childrenof first generation immigrants 833 01:15:57,633 --> 01:16:01,233 bear that no other--no other, 834 01:16:01,266 --> 01:16:03,566 you know--I guess, like,privileged white people 835 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,100 don't have to even--even think about, right? 836 01:16:06,133 --> 01:16:09,166 Like, the ways in which the lawin this country is set up, 837 01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,266 if you're visibly black,in terms of the law, 838 01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:13,666 you deal with a lot more. 839 01:16:13,700 --> 01:16:17,300 These laws are put into placethat, like, stigmatize, 840 01:16:17,333 --> 01:16:19,700 you know,our young men or even, 841 01:16:19,733 --> 01:16:23,400 like, you know,paint with a broad brush 842 01:16:23,433 --> 01:16:25,500 and want to incitethese sort of things, right? 843 01:16:25,533 --> 01:16:29,966 Like, we also have to recognizethe socioeconomic conditions 844 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,966 that m--that makethese things possible. 845 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:35,600 Like, I think right nowin Cedar 846 01:16:35,633 --> 01:16:38,733 they're attempting to builda fence around the entire area 847 01:16:38,766 --> 01:16:40,766 where you're cagingan entire community 848 01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,800 because they're--they're, like,you know-- 849 01:16:44,833 --> 01:16:48,566 they carry disea--you know,in some ways it's kind of like, 850 01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:52,700 "We're gonna confine thesepeople because they're"-- 851 01:16:52,733 --> 01:16:54,733 - They're out of the norm? - They're out of the norm. 852 01:16:54,766 --> 01:16:57,100 They're--they need to besegregated from the rest 853 01:16:57,133 --> 01:16:59,000 of the American community. 854 01:16:59,033 --> 01:17:02,400 - But lately, what Minneapolis did was they put so many 855 01:17:02,433 --> 01:17:05,200 ethnic--different ethnic group polices 856 01:17:05,233 --> 01:17:07,733 into the neighborhoods, you know? 857 01:17:07,766 --> 01:17:09,900 - Right, that doesn't changethe culture, though, 858 01:17:09,933 --> 01:17:11,133 and it doesn't... 859 01:17:19,433 --> 01:17:21,266 You know? - Okay. 860 01:17:27,066 --> 01:17:28,700 - Yeah, man. I'm old man. WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 861 01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:35,033 - Yeah, yup. You said--you said-- 862 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,066 - Yeah. 863 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:39,700 So, uh-- - So... 864 01:18:48,900 --> 01:18:50,766 - This call is from a federal prison. 865 01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:07,733 And... - Okay. 866 01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:23,000 ♪ 867 01:19:23,033 --> 01:19:25,266 - Oh, heard, yeah--yeah. [speaks Somali] 868 01:19:25,300 --> 01:19:27,766 Yup. I hear you real well. 869 01:19:46,100 --> 01:19:47,933 - Get him, get him, get him. 870 01:19:47,966 --> 01:19:50,733 [laughs] 871 01:20:24,033 --> 01:20:26,533 all: 90... 872 01:20:26,566 --> 01:20:28,000 - One, two... 873 01:20:35,266 --> 01:20:37,166 - And she stole my Somali song. 874 01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:39,200 - I didn't steal it. I didn't even know about it. 875 01:20:39,233 --> 01:20:43,766 - Come on. Come on. - [laughs] WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:187507, LOCAL:00:00:00.000 876 01:21:50,533 --> 01:21:54,833 - [inaudible], yeah, bald. 877 01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:58,566 First time bald. 878 01:21:58,600 --> 01:21:59,600 - Yup. 879 01:21:59,633 --> 01:22:00,833 - Here you go. 880 01:22:00,866 --> 01:22:03,533 - [speaking Somali] - Here you go. 881 01:22:03,566 --> 01:22:04,966 Here you go. 882 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:06,400 - Here go! - Here you go. 883 01:22:06,433 --> 01:22:09,600 Say bye. all: Bye! 884 01:22:09,633 --> 01:22:13,500 [all speaking Somali] 885 01:22:14,933 --> 01:22:18,066 narrator: YouTube Impact Lab is a proud presenting partner 886 01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:20,033 of "Accept the Call" on PBS. 60078

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