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-A gentle caretaker of horses
is found dead
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in her dorm room
at a popular racetrack.
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-She was hanging.
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-There was blood everywhere.
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-And her wrists
were also slashed.
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We weren't sure if it was
gonna be a homicide or suicide.
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-That obviously raised
a lot of questions.
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-It makes no sense.
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-Three years later,
hundreds of miles away,
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another horse groom
is found dead.
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-This was a crime scene.
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-She said that
he was gonna get her.
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-Could these two cases
be connected?
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-This guy left a trail
and got away with a lot.
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I don't believe in coincidences.
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-We were both shocked.
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-They're both females,
they're both white,
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and they both work in the track.
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-It's a race against the clock
as detectives hunt for a killer.
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-He liked women
that he could intimidate.
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-I felt as though
I let Pam down.
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-We all made a mistake.
-All hell broke loose.
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This guy, he's a predator.
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You can't let him
be on the street.
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-And there's no doubt
he's going to rape
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or hurt another woman.
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-On a humid summer evening,
a little after midnight...
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...a frantic 911 call sends
firefighters to Vernon Downs,
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a popular racetrack located
in Upstate New York.
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-Vernon Downs is
a harness racing track.
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It has dormitories in the back
where the grooms are housed,
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and the grooms are individuals
who take care of the horses.
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-A fire has broken out
in one of the dormitories.
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Firefighters quickly get
the blaze under control,
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but once the smoke clears, they
make a horrifying discovery.
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-There was a dead female
that was in the dormitories.
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She was hanging.
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There was an extension cord
around her neck.
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-And there was blood on that.
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-Detectives notice
that the extension cord
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is tied to a shelf
above the victim's head,
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and they speculate that this
could be a possible suicide.
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-And there was a vodka bottle
next to her body.
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There was blood on her
everywhere.
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-Her throat was cut.
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There was a electric knife
by her on the floor.
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You could see the blood
from her throat.
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And her wrists
were also slashed.
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-The scene was gruesome.
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-I have never seen
anything like that.
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I don't think any of us
saw anything that violent
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like that before.
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-It looked, to all appearances,
like a self-inflicted death.
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-There are papers
surrounding the victim's feet
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that did not burn,
and investigators are hopeful
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that there might be
a suicide note
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to explain what happened here.
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-But there was no note
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indicating
she had killed herself.
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No suicide note
was found at the scene.
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-Detectives learn that
the victim was a horse groom.
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Grooms work in the stables
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and take care of the horses
at the racetracks.
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Coworkers identify the victim
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as 39-year-old Leslie Dickenson.
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-I knew Leslie Dickenson
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because she worked
at Vernon Downs with me
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as a groom.
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She was very quiet, very petite.
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Loved animals.
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Grooming is very physical.
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You can get very dirty.
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You get wet because
you're bathing horses.
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You got to clean their stalls,
clean their water buckets.
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Leslie was very fragile.
She wasn't very strong.
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So I would help her
with her water buckets.
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Just a very nice lady.
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I was absolutely shocked.
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I've never been
in that situation
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where a groom has died.
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And it was...hard to believe.
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-To those who knew her, Leslie
was kind and compassionate,
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making her violent end
difficult to comprehend.
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As investigators examine the
fire she apparently perished in,
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they find it
only more confusing.
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-How the fire started
looked a little bit suspicious.
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Candles were lit under something
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so that they would burn
and catch fire.
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-It was very difficult
to tell what happened.
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-Was the vodka poured around
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and lit to start
the place on fire?
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-As they take a closer look
at the victim,
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several details stand out
that make investigators wonder
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if their first impression
of suicide may have been wrong.
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-When the body was hanging,
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the pants were unbuttoned
and the zipper was down.
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-That obviously raised
a lot of questions
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in our mind
as to what exactly happened.
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Generally, when you see
women who commit suicide,
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it's usually with pills.
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They don't usually scar
or mark up their body.
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Honestly, I've been to
many, many, many scenes
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where people were dead.
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I've never seen a person
have this many methods
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for killing themself,
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which, in her case,
was slitting the wrist
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and hanging herself up
then burning the room.
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We knew we still had
a lot of investigating to do.
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-As the forensics team
continues to process
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the crime scene for evidence,
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detectives zero in
on the grooms.
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-We interviewed 20 or more
of the grooms.
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Everybody that may
have seen Leslie that day,
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may have been with her.
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Trying to get a timeline.
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-According to the grooms,
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Leslie finished work
around noon,
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and this Friday was payday.
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-The grooms travel
from different track to track,
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but they're a close-knit group.
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They know each other, and they
get along usually very well.
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-They're there 24/7
to take care of the horses.
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And very often, you know,
when they get done working,
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they'll have a drink.
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-Coworkers tell police that
Leslie joined them for drinks
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from 6:00 to 9:00 p.m.
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-Leslie had been sitting
on a picnic table
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outside of her dormitory room.
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They just had a couple drinks.
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That was the last
anybody had seen of her.
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-Around midnight,
smoke fills the dormitory
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where Leslie lives...
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alerting grooms of a fire.
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-There was one witness
who said he smelled smoke
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before anybody else
smelled smoke.
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Another groom went up
to the guard station
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and told the guard
there was a fire.
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-Investigators continue
to press grooms
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for information about Leslie.
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They want to know
if she was having trouble
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with anyone at the track.
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-Anybody we asked said
she's a nice person, you know,
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kept to herself a lot,
but everybody liked her.
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There was absolutely no bad
things at all said about her.
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-She was well liked by other
grooms, never bothered anybody.
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Took care of her horses
and did what she had to do.
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-While Leslie's body
is transported
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to the coroner's office,
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detectives are faced
with the difficult task
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of notifying Leslie's family
of the tragic news.
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-It was pretty shocking to them.
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-She had a very good
relationship with her family.
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She seemed to be very close
with her sister.
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-They said she was
an outgoing person,
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said she loved horses,
loved the job she was at.
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-When digging
into her background,
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detectives uncover a secret
that Leslie Dickenson
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kept from her friends
at the track,
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and this troubling information
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sheds new light
on the investigation.
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-She had a previous
suicide attempt.
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-Leslie's family confides that
she struggled as a teenager,
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even attempting
to take her own life with
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over-the-counter medication
two decades earlier.
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But according to her family,
those dark days were behind her.
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She'd found happiness
and was dating
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a fellow groom from the track.
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Investigators, however, discover
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that the pair
had recently parted ways.
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-People said they didn't get
along, they had argued.
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And then other people
said they were together.
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-Investigators wonder
if the breakup
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may have triggered Leslie's
mental-health issues,
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sending her spiraling
into a depression.
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So they turn their attention
back to the grooms,
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looking for clues
about Leslie's state of mind.
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-The first question
investigators asked --
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"Did you notice
that she was depressed?"
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-She was actually
doing pretty good.
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She had just bought herself
some new clothes.
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She seemed upbeat.
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-And no one seemed
to have any idea
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that she was unhappy with life.
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And everybody said no.
She seemed fine.
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There was nothing
out of the ordinary with her.
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-She was quiet,
but I would have never
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guessed her to commit suicide,
by no means.
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-Looking for answers,
investigators turn
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to Leslie's ex-boyfriend,
but they're surprised to learn
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that he relocated
to another track
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several hundred miles away
just two days before the fire.
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-Boyfriend had shipped out
with his horse
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and the owner
to a different track.
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-Could Leslie's boyfriend have
used his departure as an alibi?
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-We weren't sure
if it was gonna be
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a homicide or suicide,
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but the fact that Leslie's
boyfriend had left town
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is very suspicious,
so we had to track him down.
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-The door was locked
from the inside.
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It was pretty apparent
this was a crime scene.
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-I don't believe
in coincidences.
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And there are similarities
between what happened
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to Leslie and Pamela.
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-After learning
alarming information,
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detectives zero in
on Leslie's ex-boyfriend
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as a possible suspect,
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and they hunt him down
at a racetrack
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several hundred miles away.
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-We did interview him.
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We learned it was a very good
relationship between them,
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and he said they were
getting along fine.
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-Leslie's ex-boyfriend
tells detectives he was working
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on the night Leslie
was killed...
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300 miles away
from Vernon Downs,
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and several eyewitnesses
confirm his story.
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-He wasn't there.
He wasn't a suspect in it.
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-If Leslie's ex-boyfriend
is not their suspect,
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detectives wonder
if it's possible
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that someone on the
horse circuit killed Leslie
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and slipped away before
detectives could find them.
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-The lifestyle of a groom
is very seasonal.
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Constantly moving around.
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But they are kind of
a small community
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because they get to know
each other
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at all of the different tracks.
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And people knew all
the circumstances of this case.
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This was a very big deal.
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But there was no real
prime suspect.
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-At this point,
to try to determine
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if this was a homicide
was difficult to do
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because we didn't really have
anything glaring at us.
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-With no clear leads,
detectives are hopeful
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that the autopsy report
will help them
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figure out what happened to her.
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-The autopsy determined
that this was a suicide.
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They labeled it a suicide.
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-The cause of death
was the strangulation
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as a result of the cord
and the hanging.
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-The autopsy report states
death by asphyxia and hanging.
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This, coupled with Leslie's
history of mental-health issues,
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leads to the coroner's
conclusion
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that Leslie did indeed go to
great lengths to kill herself.
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-They thought
she cut her throat
252
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and wrapped the cord around
and then hung herself
253
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and then cut her wrist
as she was hanging.
254
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-Upon learning
the devastating news,
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Leslie's family
struggles to say goodbye,
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and they lay her to rest
in a baby-blue coffin
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that matches her eyes.
258
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For Detective Lisi
and his team,
259
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the Leslie Dickenson case
is closed.
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Then, three years later,
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1,500 miles
south of Vernon Downs,
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police are dispatched
to the Pompano Beach Racetrack
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in response
to a suspicious 911 call.
264
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-On February 20, 1990,
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the Pompano Beach
Police Department
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received a call for a woman
that was thought to be sick.
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She didn't report to work,
268
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so her employer went to the room
to check on her.
269
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The door was locked
from the inside.
270
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He pushed the door open
a little bit.
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And he could see the victim...
272
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...on the floor in the room.
273
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And she was unresponsive.
274
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-When we arrived,
we discovered
275
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that it was a female victim
276
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who was an employee
at the harness track.
277
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She was a groom.
278
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-Attempts to revive the victim
are unsuccessful,
279
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and she's declared dead
at the scene.
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The victim's boss identifies her
281
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as 32-year-old
Pamela Albertson,
282
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a groom from Blanchester, Ohio.
283
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♪♪
284
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-She's in the room by herself
and a door that's locked.
285
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We looked at her windows,
and it gave enough way
286
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for a person to slide
through the window.
287
00:12:46,683 --> 00:12:48,852
-The room was very sloppy.
288
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Knocked-over soda on the floor.
289
00:12:50,895 --> 00:12:52,689
Things were just thrown about.
290
00:12:52,731 --> 00:12:54,941
Pam was laying
right inside the doorway.
291
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It appears as though
there may have been
some sense of a struggle.
292
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-So we knew then that
somebody had been in there
293
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and locked the door from the
inside and went out the window.
294
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-Her clothes were
somewhat on the floor.
295
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It appeared as though somebody
put her pants back on her.
296
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She had no underpants on.
297
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Her pants were pulled up,
298
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but they weren't secure
in any way, unzipped.
299
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-Pamela's body had bruises
300
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on both sides of her head
and her upper lip.
301
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-We felt pretty confident
302
00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:29,934
there was foul play,
that she was assaulted.
303
00:13:30,018 --> 00:13:32,062
-The crime-scene unit
and the medical examiner
304
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arrive together
and begin to process the scene
305
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for DNA evidence.
306
00:13:36,232 --> 00:13:37,901
-They gathered items
that were on the floor,
307
00:13:37,942 --> 00:13:40,779
one of which was
a tank top, red in color,
308
00:13:40,862 --> 00:13:43,406
and that was sent
to the lab, as well.
309
00:13:43,531 --> 00:13:46,951
We also secured
vaginal swab evidence from Pam.
310
00:13:48,036 --> 00:13:50,747
-CSI techs also discover
a key piece of evidence
311
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that could lead them
to the killer.
312
00:13:53,083 --> 00:13:56,961
-They recovered hairs
from Pamela's hand.
313
00:13:57,087 --> 00:13:58,380
They weren't cut.
314
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They were pulled
from somebody's scalp.
315
00:14:00,423 --> 00:14:04,219
-Our next step was basically
to identify any witnesses.
316
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We started knocking
on doors in the dorm.
317
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The dorm room directly above
Pam Albertson's dorm room,
318
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a woman by the name
of Ann Santoriello lived.
319
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She was a groom.
320
00:14:15,647 --> 00:14:17,607
-When detectives give Ann
the tragic news
321
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about her neighbor, Pamela,
they have no idea
322
00:14:20,151 --> 00:14:22,696
that Ann was at Vernon Downs
three years earlier
323
00:14:22,821 --> 00:14:24,614
when Leslie Dickenson died.
324
00:14:24,698 --> 00:14:27,742
-We spoke with her about Pam.
325
00:14:27,826 --> 00:14:31,579
-I was absolutely shocked.
I really was.
326
00:14:34,082 --> 00:14:36,292
I knew Pam because
we lived in the same dorm.
327
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And we would just talk.
328
00:14:38,962 --> 00:14:40,463
She was very cute.
329
00:14:40,505 --> 00:14:42,674
She was just
a sweet, sweet lady.
330
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Very hardworking.
331
00:14:44,467 --> 00:14:47,929
-Nobody spoke in any bad way
about Pam.
332
00:14:48,013 --> 00:14:50,974
She was perceived as a very
nice person and was friendly,
333
00:14:51,016 --> 00:14:53,309
had a social life
with the other grooms.
334
00:14:53,351 --> 00:14:55,145
-She'd hang out with a few guys,
335
00:14:55,270 --> 00:14:59,315
and she just enjoyed shooting
pool and having a few drinks.
336
00:14:59,399 --> 00:15:03,028
-Detectives wonder who would
want to hurt this gentle groom.
337
00:15:03,111 --> 00:15:04,612
And while talking to Ann,
they learn
338
00:15:04,654 --> 00:15:06,781
some alarming information.
339
00:15:06,823 --> 00:15:09,325
-She explained that Pam
was very much afraid
340
00:15:09,409 --> 00:15:11,911
of someone named Mississippi.
341
00:15:13,621 --> 00:15:15,457
-Pamela was very scared
of him.
342
00:15:15,582 --> 00:15:17,375
It was a groom.
343
00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:21,504
He was called Mississippi
because he's from Mississippi.
344
00:15:21,588 --> 00:15:24,799
-So it was an alias that he
adopted that people knew him by.
345
00:15:26,176 --> 00:15:29,596
-Pamela told me
that he was harassing her.
346
00:15:29,637 --> 00:15:32,557
He said that he had sex
with her.
347
00:15:32,682 --> 00:15:34,184
There was no shot of that,
348
00:15:34,225 --> 00:15:37,103
because she wanted
nothing to do with him.
349
00:15:38,521 --> 00:15:40,857
She told me
she was getting afraid of him.
350
00:15:40,899 --> 00:15:43,443
I asked Pamela,
could she go home?
351
00:15:43,526 --> 00:15:46,571
And she said she would get
a bus ticket to go home.
352
00:15:46,654 --> 00:15:48,114
And she was gonna go home
in two days,
353
00:15:48,239 --> 00:15:50,283
but never made it
because she got killed.
354
00:15:51,326 --> 00:15:53,787
-Ann reveals intriguing
information about Mississippi
355
00:15:53,828 --> 00:15:58,166
to detectives that could provide
a motive for Pamela's murder.
356
00:15:58,249 --> 00:16:02,295
-He got fired about a week
or two prior to Pam's homicide.
357
00:16:03,588 --> 00:16:05,256
And some of the other witnesses
358
00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:07,467
thought he got fired
for harassing Pam.
359
00:16:08,843 --> 00:16:11,012
-Detectives are now on the hunt
for any witnesses
360
00:16:11,137 --> 00:16:13,390
who might have seen Pamela
with Mississippi.
361
00:16:13,473 --> 00:16:14,766
-We identified a woman
362
00:16:14,849 --> 00:16:16,351
that lived in the dorm
right next door,
363
00:16:16,393 --> 00:16:17,894
and she said that evening
364
00:16:18,019 --> 00:16:21,439
she witnessed Pam at her doorway
to her dorm room
365
00:16:21,564 --> 00:16:24,693
with an individual she'd never
seen before, a Black male.
366
00:16:26,277 --> 00:16:29,114
-She said Pam was telling him,
"I'm going to bed.
367
00:16:29,239 --> 00:16:30,532
You can't come in."
368
00:16:32,117 --> 00:16:34,744
-Investigators are stunned
by this eyewitness account.
369
00:16:34,828 --> 00:16:38,748
Could this unidentified man
actually be Mississippi?
370
00:16:38,832 --> 00:16:40,750
-We had a person of interest.
371
00:16:58,059 --> 00:16:59,728
-Police are on the hunt
for a mysterious suspect
372
00:17:00,687 --> 00:17:02,981
in the murder
of Pamela Albertson.
373
00:17:03,064 --> 00:17:05,358
And while interviewing grooms
at a neighboring stable,
374
00:17:05,442 --> 00:17:07,068
they learned
that Mississippi is actually
375
00:17:07,193 --> 00:17:10,071
27-year-old horse groom
Robert Hayes.
376
00:17:10,196 --> 00:17:13,950
-He was working as a groom,
cleaning out one of the stalls
377
00:17:14,034 --> 00:17:16,453
when we encountered him
at Tagariello Stables.
378
00:17:16,578 --> 00:17:19,289
-We said, "Hey,
we're investigating a homicide.
379
00:17:19,330 --> 00:17:21,041
We'd like to talk to you
about it."
380
00:17:21,124 --> 00:17:22,667
[ Suspenseful music plays ]
381
00:17:22,709 --> 00:17:24,127
-He seemed cooperative.
382
00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:27,088
He said he had heard
Pam had been murdered.
383
00:17:27,172 --> 00:17:29,716
-He volunteered to come down
to the police station.
384
00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:32,719
♪♪
385
00:17:32,802 --> 00:17:35,263
Rob had volunteered
to give his fingerprints.
386
00:17:36,431 --> 00:17:42,312
But as we started to investigate
him, more information came in.
387
00:17:43,146 --> 00:17:44,689
-Detectives confirmed
that Robert Hayes
388
00:17:44,731 --> 00:17:47,108
did spend time in jail
for assault.
389
00:17:48,026 --> 00:17:50,987
-He had a fight with a groom
from a neighboring barn,
390
00:17:51,071 --> 00:17:52,655
and it was a very violent fight.
391
00:17:52,739 --> 00:17:54,157
He got the guy on the ground.
392
00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,950
He was putting dirt in his eyes.
393
00:17:55,992 --> 00:17:58,078
He smacked him with his belt
buckle a couple of times.
394
00:17:58,203 --> 00:18:00,288
-People felt he was dangerous.
395
00:18:01,664 --> 00:18:02,957
-A number of witnesses
who were on scene
396
00:18:02,999 --> 00:18:04,542
had mentioned Robert Hayes
397
00:18:04,626 --> 00:18:07,420
and the problems
that Pam was having with Robert
398
00:18:07,545 --> 00:18:09,631
over the weeks and months
before.
399
00:18:09,673 --> 00:18:12,258
-However, no one reported
any of the incidents
400
00:18:12,384 --> 00:18:14,552
they witnessed
between Pamela and Robert.
401
00:18:14,594 --> 00:18:16,304
As detectives dig in,
402
00:18:16,429 --> 00:18:18,723
they learn that most grooms
live under a code of silence,
403
00:18:18,848 --> 00:18:20,392
preferring to handle things
themselves
404
00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:22,102
instead of going
to law enforcement.
405
00:18:22,227 --> 00:18:24,396
But police find
the recent murder
406
00:18:24,521 --> 00:18:26,272
has made the grooms
more forthcoming.
407
00:18:26,314 --> 00:18:29,484
-When we spoke to people
at multiple other racetracks,
408
00:18:29,567 --> 00:18:30,652
we were both shocked.
409
00:18:31,569 --> 00:18:33,822
There were other incidents
at other tracks.
410
00:18:33,947 --> 00:18:35,615
He's been banned
from a couple tracks.
411
00:18:36,324 --> 00:18:38,076
Was a victim in new Jersey
412
00:18:38,159 --> 00:18:40,704
in which Robert Hayes
assaulted her.
413
00:18:40,745 --> 00:18:43,164
She says Hayes came to her room,
asked her for a cigarette,
414
00:18:43,289 --> 00:18:45,375
and he forced his way
in the door
415
00:18:45,458 --> 00:18:47,502
and just started strangling her.
416
00:18:49,004 --> 00:18:51,881
-This guy left a trail
and got away with a lot.
417
00:18:51,965 --> 00:18:54,384
-Another victim tells detectives
418
00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,261
of a horrifying encounter
she had with Hayes
419
00:18:56,302 --> 00:18:58,972
while working at a track
in Delaware.
420
00:18:59,014 --> 00:19:00,724
-He wanted to have sex.
She denied him.
421
00:19:00,807 --> 00:19:02,892
And then he attacked her,
began choking her.
422
00:19:04,144 --> 00:19:07,564
And he threw her off the second-
floor balcony of the dormitory.
423
00:19:07,647 --> 00:19:09,941
-He liked women
he could intimidate,
424
00:19:09,983 --> 00:19:13,611
and they don't come forward
because they're scared to death.
425
00:19:14,738 --> 00:19:16,906
-We really start to focus
426
00:19:16,990 --> 00:19:20,910
on Robert Hayes
as our main suspect.
427
00:19:20,994 --> 00:19:22,287
-I went with Detective Flynn.
428
00:19:22,328 --> 00:19:23,913
He wanted me to pick
a photo lineup
429
00:19:23,997 --> 00:19:26,958
of who I thought
murdered Pamela.
430
00:19:27,083 --> 00:19:30,420
And I picked Robert Hayes
very easily.
431
00:19:30,503 --> 00:19:32,881
There was no doubt in my mind.
432
00:19:32,922 --> 00:19:34,924
-Detectives also bring in
the eyewitness
433
00:19:35,050 --> 00:19:37,385
who saw the suspicious man
outside Pamela's dorm room
434
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:39,763
the night of her murder.
435
00:19:39,888 --> 00:19:42,390
-And she identified Robert Hayes
in that lineup,
436
00:19:42,474 --> 00:19:44,100
indicating
that that was the person
437
00:19:44,184 --> 00:19:46,561
she had seen at Pam's door
the evening prior.
438
00:19:46,686 --> 00:19:50,315
And he denied ever being
with Pam in a room.
439
00:19:50,357 --> 00:19:52,150
He never put himself
at the doorway.
440
00:19:52,233 --> 00:19:54,652
-Investigators go back to Robert
with these accusations,
441
00:19:54,736 --> 00:19:58,490
insisting he knows more
than he lets on.
442
00:19:58,531 --> 00:19:59,991
-He showed no emotion at all.
443
00:20:00,075 --> 00:20:02,827
It didn't faze him
in the least way.
444
00:20:02,869 --> 00:20:05,121
He denied any involvement in it,
445
00:20:05,246 --> 00:20:08,416
and when confronted with
if he's ever had sex with Pam,
446
00:20:08,541 --> 00:20:11,211
he had stated that he had sex
with her about a month ago.
447
00:20:11,336 --> 00:20:13,296
-He said she had a reputation.
448
00:20:13,421 --> 00:20:16,508
-But an eyewitness comes forward
with a damning testimony
449
00:20:16,591 --> 00:20:19,010
that pokes a hole
in Robert's story.
450
00:20:19,094 --> 00:20:21,638
-A gentleman named Clyde Tate
witnessed an incident
451
00:20:21,721 --> 00:20:24,224
that took place
at the stables one evening.
452
00:20:24,349 --> 00:20:26,393
He had heard Pam
yelling for help.
453
00:20:26,476 --> 00:20:29,145
♪♪
454
00:20:29,229 --> 00:20:33,817
He said he found Robert Hayes --
Mississippi -- on top of Pam.
455
00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:36,111
He was in the process
of taking his pants off.
456
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,031
When Clyde approached him,
separated them,
457
00:20:40,073 --> 00:20:41,950
Robert went on his way.
458
00:20:43,451 --> 00:20:45,120
That wasn't reported,
but certainly
459
00:20:45,203 --> 00:20:47,372
that led to the fear
that Pam had.
460
00:20:47,414 --> 00:20:49,332
-Police pressure Robert.
461
00:20:49,416 --> 00:20:52,711
They want to know when was the
last time he saw Pamela alive.
462
00:20:52,794 --> 00:20:56,006
-He said he didn't see Pamela,
but we have witnesses
463
00:20:56,089 --> 00:20:58,466
that put him together
close to the 9:00 p.m.
464
00:20:58,550 --> 00:21:00,301
We knew he was lying.
465
00:21:02,053 --> 00:21:05,390
We knew he had been
in the dorm building with her,
466
00:21:05,432 --> 00:21:07,225
and we knew he was at the door.
467
00:21:07,267 --> 00:21:08,601
-After hours of interrogation,
468
00:21:08,727 --> 00:21:11,354
Robert changes his story
and finally admits
469
00:21:11,479 --> 00:21:14,691
that he was with Pamela
on the night she was murdered.
470
00:21:14,774 --> 00:21:16,901
-Robert finally confessed
that yes, in fact,
471
00:21:16,943 --> 00:21:18,611
he had been with her.
472
00:21:18,737 --> 00:21:20,739
-He was talking to her
outside her dorm,
473
00:21:20,864 --> 00:21:23,283
but he denied the murder.
474
00:21:23,324 --> 00:21:26,369
-The witness statements,
the fact that he lied --
475
00:21:26,411 --> 00:21:29,122
he said he wasn't with her,
then he changed his story --
476
00:21:30,165 --> 00:21:32,584
we felt that we had enough
to charge him with murder.
477
00:21:32,709 --> 00:21:35,920
He had collected evidence
at the room.
478
00:21:37,255 --> 00:21:40,592
He did fingerprinting
off the windows, the doors.
479
00:21:40,675 --> 00:21:43,803
We were hoping that would
reveal some more information
480
00:21:43,845 --> 00:21:46,348
that would connect Hayes
to this crime.
481
00:21:47,390 --> 00:21:49,017
-The items were recovered,
482
00:21:49,059 --> 00:21:51,269
was sent to the crime lab
for further testing
483
00:21:51,353 --> 00:21:53,480
in the search
for the presence of DNA.
484
00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:55,565
-We're talking
about the early 1990s.
485
00:21:55,607 --> 00:21:58,860
DNA testing was not
as sophisticated as it is now.
486
00:22:00,445 --> 00:22:02,906
-I had great concern
about that.
487
00:22:02,989 --> 00:22:05,367
And DNA evidence was brand-new.
488
00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:07,035
This was the first DNA case
489
00:22:07,077 --> 00:22:09,871
that Pompano Beach
had presented to the court.
490
00:22:09,996 --> 00:22:12,082
-While detectives wait
for DNA results,
491
00:22:12,123 --> 00:22:15,210
the medical examiner
releases the autopsy report
492
00:22:15,293 --> 00:22:18,254
confirming Pamela's
cause of death as a homicide.
493
00:22:18,338 --> 00:22:20,715
-The autopsy report came back
494
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,510
and determined
that she had been murdered.
495
00:22:23,677 --> 00:22:26,388
♪♪
496
00:22:26,513 --> 00:22:29,474
She had a broken hyoid bone
in her throat.
497
00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:34,187
-The cause of death
was strangulation.
498
00:22:34,312 --> 00:22:37,232
-I could have done more
to save her life.
499
00:22:37,315 --> 00:22:40,944
And that really,
really bothered me,
500
00:22:41,027 --> 00:22:44,406
because I know
without a doubt in my mind,
501
00:22:44,531 --> 00:22:45,824
he was coming for her.
502
00:22:47,784 --> 00:22:50,453
The woman
didn't get to live her life.
503
00:22:51,496 --> 00:22:54,082
-For Ann, the harrowing
turn of events calls to mind
504
00:22:54,124 --> 00:22:56,960
Leslie's unfortunate death
years prior --
505
00:22:57,043 --> 00:22:59,421
information she takes to police.
506
00:22:59,504 --> 00:23:01,965
-She said
she was at Vernon Downs
507
00:23:02,007 --> 00:23:03,174
three years earlier.
508
00:23:03,216 --> 00:23:05,468
♪♪
509
00:23:05,552 --> 00:23:09,097
-I remember Robert Hayes
worked at Vernon Downs
510
00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:10,306
when I worked there.
511
00:23:11,307 --> 00:23:14,269
I really didn't pay
that much attention to him.
512
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:16,021
-And a young lady
by the name of Leslie
513
00:23:16,062 --> 00:23:18,898
was murdered in Vernon Downs.
514
00:23:18,982 --> 00:23:22,027
And in that case,
she said it was ruled a suicide,
515
00:23:22,110 --> 00:23:23,987
but Robert Hayes
was on the track
516
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:25,780
when that incident took place.
517
00:23:25,822 --> 00:23:28,241
♪♪
518
00:23:28,283 --> 00:23:31,911
Ann Santorelli suspected
it was a murder in Vernon Downs.
519
00:23:32,037 --> 00:23:34,914
-I would have never guessed her
to commit suicide.
520
00:23:34,998 --> 00:23:36,791
It makes no sense.
521
00:23:36,875 --> 00:23:39,377
Who sets themselves on fire
522
00:23:39,419 --> 00:23:41,504
and puts a cord around her neck?
523
00:23:41,588 --> 00:23:43,214
-You know, the grooms all talk.
524
00:23:45,050 --> 00:23:47,510
They were highly suspect,
many of them,
525
00:23:47,635 --> 00:23:50,764
that Leslie Dickenson
was a questionable death
526
00:23:50,889 --> 00:23:52,557
and that
some further investigation
527
00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:53,808
should have taken place.
528
00:23:54,934 --> 00:23:56,978
-I don't believe
in coincidences.
529
00:23:58,188 --> 00:23:59,773
And there are similarities
530
00:24:16,289 --> 00:24:17,957
-Detective Flynn
and his team have just learned
531
00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:21,336
that the prime suspect
in Pamela Albertson's murder
532
00:24:21,419 --> 00:24:24,839
was working at Vernon Downs
when Leslie Dickenson died.
533
00:24:24,881 --> 00:24:28,760
-We realized
that maybe it wasn't a suicide.
534
00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:31,721
Robert may have had
some involvement
535
00:24:31,805 --> 00:24:33,181
in that case, as well.
536
00:24:33,348 --> 00:24:35,225
All of that needed to be
looked at more intently,
537
00:24:35,266 --> 00:24:38,269
because Robert Hayes' case
against Pam Albertson
538
00:24:38,395 --> 00:24:40,313
was a circumstantial case.
539
00:24:40,397 --> 00:24:42,982
-Which means that there's
a strong possibility
540
00:24:43,149 --> 00:24:44,693
there's not enough evidence to
541
00:24:44,818 --> 00:24:46,403
convict Robert
for Pamela's murder
542
00:24:46,486 --> 00:24:48,279
and he could go free.
543
00:24:48,363 --> 00:24:50,073
-That compelled me
as an investigator
544
00:24:50,198 --> 00:24:52,158
to try and look into
Leslie Dickenson's death.
545
00:24:53,576 --> 00:24:55,412
The state of Florida
has a Williams rule --
546
00:24:55,495 --> 00:24:57,205
Williams vs.
the state of Florida.
547
00:24:57,956 --> 00:24:59,749
-Under Florida's Williams rule,
548
00:24:59,791 --> 00:25:02,794
if investigators can uncover
evidence of past crimes
549
00:25:02,836 --> 00:25:04,587
that mirror the current charge,
550
00:25:04,754 --> 00:25:06,881
prosecutors can use it
to strengthen their case.
551
00:25:06,965 --> 00:25:10,260
If Robert Hayes is linked
to Leslie Dickenson's murder,
552
00:25:10,343 --> 00:25:11,886
Detectives believe that evidence
553
00:25:12,012 --> 00:25:14,764
could help secure a conviction
in Pamela's killing.
554
00:25:14,806 --> 00:25:17,559
-So we had to look at
Leslie's case for the similarity
555
00:25:17,684 --> 00:25:19,728
to show
that he has done this before.
556
00:25:19,811 --> 00:25:21,771
-One week later,
557
00:25:21,813 --> 00:25:24,274
Robert Hayes is arrested
for Pamela Albertson's murder.
558
00:25:24,315 --> 00:25:25,900
[ Telephone rings ]
559
00:25:25,984 --> 00:25:27,986
-We reached out to Oneida County
Sheriff's Office.
560
00:25:28,028 --> 00:25:29,988
-Detective Flynn asked me
561
00:25:30,071 --> 00:25:31,531
if I was familiar
with Robert Hayes
562
00:25:31,656 --> 00:25:33,700
from our case -- Leslie's death.
563
00:25:33,783 --> 00:25:35,410
I was not.
564
00:25:35,535 --> 00:25:38,413
So we brought the case
out of the file.
565
00:25:39,581 --> 00:25:42,083
And it turns out
we did interview a groom
566
00:25:42,167 --> 00:25:43,585
named Robert Hayes.
567
00:25:43,668 --> 00:25:45,295
His statement
was that he smelled smoke.
568
00:25:46,254 --> 00:25:48,173
-Even though detectives
interviewed Robert Hayes
569
00:25:48,214 --> 00:25:50,175
at the scene of Leslie's death,
570
00:25:50,216 --> 00:25:51,760
he did not give them
any indication
571
00:25:51,801 --> 00:25:53,970
to suggest
that he could be a suspect.
572
00:25:54,012 --> 00:25:56,431
-We had no evidence
of Robert Hayes being involved.
573
00:25:56,598 --> 00:25:59,267
-As Detective Lisi
and Detective Flynn
574
00:25:59,309 --> 00:26:01,269
compare Pamela's case
to Leslie's case,
575
00:26:01,353 --> 00:26:03,104
they see glaring parallels.
576
00:26:03,229 --> 00:26:05,357
-They're both females.
They're both white.
577
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,776
They both were grooms,
and they both work in the track.
578
00:26:07,859 --> 00:26:09,903
-Not only
are the victims similar,
579
00:26:09,944 --> 00:26:11,821
but the crime scenes are,
as well.
580
00:26:11,863 --> 00:26:15,033
-There were just a lot
of, you know, consistencies
581
00:26:15,075 --> 00:26:16,242
in the manner of death --
582
00:26:17,494 --> 00:26:20,622
enough to strongly merit
reopening the case.
583
00:26:20,663 --> 00:26:22,707
-We realize
that it's a good possibility
584
00:26:22,749 --> 00:26:25,502
that Detective Flynn was right,
that there was a mistake made,
585
00:26:25,585 --> 00:26:28,421
it was not in fact a suicide.
586
00:26:28,505 --> 00:26:30,507
That he's probably right,
this was a homicide.
587
00:26:30,548 --> 00:26:33,051
[ Suspenseful music plays ]
588
00:26:33,134 --> 00:26:34,844
I was sent to Florida
for two weeks
589
00:26:34,886 --> 00:26:37,263
to work with Detective Flynn
590
00:26:37,347 --> 00:26:39,349
and the Pompano Beach
Police Department.
591
00:26:39,391 --> 00:26:41,685
They would take me around
where I could go to the track
592
00:26:41,726 --> 00:26:44,437
and interview same witnesses
that they interviewed
593
00:26:44,562 --> 00:26:46,189
and try to gather
enough evidence
594
00:26:46,272 --> 00:26:47,774
to determine
this was not a suicide.
595
00:26:48,525 --> 00:26:50,110
-While in Florida,
596
00:26:50,193 --> 00:26:51,403
Detective Lisi
works with Detective Flynn
597
00:26:51,444 --> 00:26:53,071
to track down dozens of grooms,
598
00:26:53,113 --> 00:26:54,572
hoping to find witnesses
599
00:26:54,656 --> 00:26:57,075
who may have information
about Leslie's death.
600
00:26:57,158 --> 00:26:59,035
-There was one witness
who said
601
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,080
that Hayes had talked about
going out with Leslie.
602
00:27:02,163 --> 00:27:04,958
This information
was never revealed to us
603
00:27:05,083 --> 00:27:06,334
at the time of Leslie's death.
604
00:27:07,627 --> 00:27:09,170
-The investigator, Lisi,
605
00:27:09,212 --> 00:27:10,588
was getting help
from the people in Florida.
606
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:12,716
The case started to build.
607
00:27:12,757 --> 00:27:15,343
-In order to prove that
Leslie Dickenson was murdered,
608
00:27:15,427 --> 00:27:17,762
the medical examiner
has to change the cause of death
609
00:27:17,887 --> 00:27:19,889
from suicide to homicide.
610
00:27:19,931 --> 00:27:23,518
And the only way to do that
is to exhume the body.
611
00:27:23,643 --> 00:27:26,187
-Exhumation of the body
is always difficult.
612
00:27:26,229 --> 00:27:28,356
We didn't know
if the judge would grant it.
613
00:27:28,523 --> 00:27:31,151
-But the judge
isn't the only hurdle
614
00:27:31,192 --> 00:27:32,694
for Detective Lisi
and his team.
615
00:27:32,777 --> 00:27:34,195
-You have to include
616
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,281
in your motion to the court
for permission
617
00:27:36,406 --> 00:27:38,074
the family of the person.
618
00:27:38,116 --> 00:27:40,535
So that's usually who gives you
the greatest pushback.
619
00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:44,914
-But we had communicated with
the family what we were doing,
620
00:27:44,998 --> 00:27:46,708
why we were doing it.
621
00:27:46,791 --> 00:27:49,419
The family was given
a disservice from the start
622
00:27:49,502 --> 00:27:51,755
because a death case
that should have been a homicide
623
00:27:51,796 --> 00:27:53,214
was ruled a suicide.
624
00:27:53,298 --> 00:27:55,091
-She had a previous suicide,
625
00:27:55,133 --> 00:27:57,427
and they thought that that
was exactly what had happened.
626
00:27:57,510 --> 00:28:00,388
So they were surprised about it,
627
00:28:00,472 --> 00:28:02,640
but they were not opposed to us
reopening the case.
628
00:28:03,850 --> 00:28:05,560
-The good part
was the family said yes.
629
00:28:07,771 --> 00:28:10,940
And the judge --
he granted the exhumation.
630
00:28:11,024 --> 00:28:13,318
[ Dramatic music plays ]
631
00:28:13,485 --> 00:28:15,487
-On November 15, 1990,
632
00:28:15,528 --> 00:28:17,906
Leslie Dickenson's body
is exhumed.
633
00:28:17,989 --> 00:28:20,492
-I have to raise the casket,
634
00:28:20,533 --> 00:28:23,495
and it'd have to be taken to
the medical examiner's office.
635
00:28:23,536 --> 00:28:25,205
-Upon close inspection,
636
00:28:25,288 --> 00:28:27,457
the medical examiner
notices that Leslie
637
00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:30,919
has a broken hyoid bone and
defensive wounds on her hands.
638
00:28:31,086 --> 00:28:34,089
-The hyoid bone
was very, very telling.
639
00:28:35,548 --> 00:28:38,677
Along with the defense wounds
that were on her hands
640
00:28:38,843 --> 00:28:40,261
led everybody to believe
641
00:28:40,345 --> 00:28:42,514
is indicative
of her protecting herself.
642
00:28:44,224 --> 00:28:45,767
Combined with
the blood splatter,
643
00:28:45,892 --> 00:28:48,395
it's not consistent
with her cutting her own wrists.
644
00:28:50,313 --> 00:28:53,066
And this totality
is very suspicious.
645
00:28:53,191 --> 00:28:55,485
-There was a blood splatter
on her back.
646
00:28:55,527 --> 00:28:58,238
That means it fell straight down
from right up above her.
647
00:28:58,321 --> 00:29:01,324
How could a drop of blood
fall directly on her
648
00:29:01,408 --> 00:29:03,952
unless someone was standing over
her with a bloody instrument?
649
00:29:04,035 --> 00:29:06,204
This was not a suicide.
This was a murder.
650
00:29:07,706 --> 00:29:10,041
-In 1987, when Leslie died,
651
00:29:10,125 --> 00:29:12,836
Oneida County was using
the traditional coroners system
652
00:29:12,919 --> 00:29:14,796
that allows
hospital pathologists
653
00:29:14,921 --> 00:29:17,841
to conduct autopsies in lieu of
a medical examiner.
654
00:29:17,882 --> 00:29:20,176
And at that time, many
pathologists were not trained
655
00:29:20,218 --> 00:29:23,847
to identify hyoid bone fractures
or defensive wounds,
656
00:29:24,014 --> 00:29:25,306
which is why
657
00:29:25,473 --> 00:29:26,808
in Leslie Dickenson's
first autopsy,
658
00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:28,810
these crucial details
were overlooked.
659
00:29:30,228 --> 00:29:31,563
-Things like blood splatter,
660
00:29:31,604 --> 00:29:33,106
hyoid bone,
the defense wounds --
661
00:29:33,148 --> 00:29:35,942
that's the stuff
that a pathologist does not see
662
00:29:36,067 --> 00:29:38,319
and a medical examiner does see.
663
00:29:40,447 --> 00:29:41,823
We all made a mistake.
664
00:29:41,948 --> 00:29:43,450
And that's what it was --
a mistake.
665
00:29:44,951 --> 00:29:46,536
-Although the medical examiner
666
00:29:46,703 --> 00:29:48,538
changes the cause of death
for Leslie Dickenson
667
00:29:48,621 --> 00:29:50,874
from suicide to murder,
668
00:29:50,999 --> 00:29:53,710
Detective Lisi
does not have enough evidence
669
00:29:53,793 --> 00:29:56,629
to press charges against Hayes
for Leslie's death.
670
00:29:56,671 --> 00:29:58,298
-When you build
a circumstantial case,
671
00:29:58,465 --> 00:29:59,966
you haven't got a smoking gun.
672
00:30:00,091 --> 00:30:01,760
You haven't got a DNA sample,
673
00:30:01,801 --> 00:30:03,595
You haven't got an admission.
674
00:30:03,678 --> 00:30:05,597
-Once we knew
that it was a murder,
675
00:30:05,638 --> 00:30:09,809
then the whole question was how
or when was Robert Hayes there
676
00:30:09,976 --> 00:30:11,686
and was he responsible for it?
677
00:30:12,771 --> 00:30:14,522
-Robert Hayes was our suspect,
678
00:30:14,564 --> 00:30:16,649
and it was my job
to connect the dots
679
00:30:16,816 --> 00:30:18,068
that this person was involved
680
00:30:33,041 --> 00:30:34,334
-While detectives in New York
681
00:30:35,585 --> 00:30:37,921
continue to investigate
Leslie Dickenson's murder,
682
00:30:37,962 --> 00:30:40,882
hoping to find a smoking gun
to prosecute Hayes,
683
00:30:40,924 --> 00:30:42,384
the DNA results
in Pamela Albertson's case
684
00:30:42,425 --> 00:30:43,718
come back,
685
00:30:43,802 --> 00:30:46,930
and all eyes
turn toward Florida.
686
00:30:47,013 --> 00:30:48,556
-The evidence
that was gathered --
687
00:30:48,682 --> 00:30:50,350
vaginal swabs,
688
00:30:50,475 --> 00:30:52,310
as well as the shirt
that was taken from the room
689
00:30:52,352 --> 00:30:53,603
with the DNA evidence on it --
690
00:30:53,687 --> 00:30:55,397
[ Dramatic music plays ]
691
00:30:55,522 --> 00:30:57,107
the lab called me and told me
692
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:59,859
that the evidence came back
as a match to the sample
693
00:30:59,901 --> 00:31:01,903
that was obtained
from Robert Hayes.
694
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:04,906
So that linked him to
the homicide of Pam Albertson.
695
00:31:06,074 --> 00:31:08,201
-Although DNA evidence
on Pamela's clothing
696
00:31:08,284 --> 00:31:10,954
traces back to Robert Hayes
697
00:31:11,037 --> 00:31:12,372
and they have
multiple witness statements
698
00:31:12,539 --> 00:31:14,874
claiming that Pamela
was afraid of Robert,
699
00:31:14,958 --> 00:31:16,626
there is still no guarantee
700
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:19,087
that Robert will be convicted
for Pamela's murder.
701
00:31:19,129 --> 00:31:22,966
-The fact that his semen
was on the tank top
702
00:31:23,049 --> 00:31:24,926
does not prove he killed her.
703
00:31:25,051 --> 00:31:27,262
Proves he was there
at some point.
704
00:31:27,303 --> 00:31:30,390
But that doesn't make him
the murderer.
705
00:31:30,432 --> 00:31:33,059
-Robert Hayes
maintains his innocence,
706
00:31:33,101 --> 00:31:34,894
claiming that he was not
in Pamela's room
707
00:31:34,978 --> 00:31:36,438
on the night of her murder.
708
00:31:36,563 --> 00:31:38,148
-This was 1990.
709
00:31:38,231 --> 00:31:40,191
There were no security cameras
on properties.
710
00:31:40,275 --> 00:31:43,445
There wasn't any eyewitnesses
to the absolute attack.
711
00:31:44,654 --> 00:31:46,823
There was no fingerprints
that we discovered
712
00:31:46,906 --> 00:31:49,117
that put him inside that room.
713
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,286
-As the prosecutors
approach trial,
714
00:31:51,327 --> 00:31:52,579
they feel confident
they've put together
715
00:31:52,704 --> 00:31:54,581
a strong case against Hayes.
716
00:31:54,622 --> 00:31:57,792
-The trial took place
in October 1991.
717
00:31:57,834 --> 00:32:01,629
At the time,
the death penalty in Florida
718
00:32:01,713 --> 00:32:04,799
required a recommendation
from the jury,
719
00:32:04,883 --> 00:32:07,802
but the jury did
not have to be unanimous.
720
00:32:07,886 --> 00:32:11,097
The final decision
was the judge's to make.
721
00:32:12,557 --> 00:32:13,975
-Trial lasted two weeks,
722
00:32:14,059 --> 00:32:16,061
and ultimately,
he was found guilty
723
00:32:16,102 --> 00:32:17,645
of murder in the first degree.
724
00:32:17,729 --> 00:32:19,522
[ Suspenseful music plays ]
725
00:32:19,689 --> 00:32:21,399
Robert Hayes was convicted
726
00:32:21,483 --> 00:32:23,485
and sentenced to death
in the electric chair.
727
00:32:25,528 --> 00:32:28,948
-On June 5, 1992.
Robert Hayes is found guilty
728
00:32:28,990 --> 00:32:30,992
and sentenced to death row
in Florida
729
00:32:31,076 --> 00:32:33,536
for the murder
of Pamela Albertson.
730
00:32:33,578 --> 00:32:37,248
-I really thought
this guy was a danger to women.
731
00:32:37,374 --> 00:32:39,000
I was happy
that he's off the street,
732
00:32:39,125 --> 00:32:41,503
he's not gonna hurt
anybody else.
733
00:32:42,629 --> 00:32:44,798
-Now that Robert Hayes
is on death row,
734
00:32:44,923 --> 00:32:47,342
the investigation
into Leslie Dickenson's murder
735
00:32:47,425 --> 00:32:49,135
screeches to a halt.
736
00:32:49,219 --> 00:32:51,721
-Our investigation
was at a standstill.
737
00:32:51,805 --> 00:32:53,890
-Simply because of the fact
that the person
738
00:32:53,973 --> 00:32:56,142
who was our prime suspect
was on death row.
739
00:32:56,226 --> 00:32:58,353
-Legally speaking,
740
00:32:58,395 --> 00:33:01,064
there should be only one way
out of death row,
741
00:33:01,147 --> 00:33:02,899
and that's in a casket.
742
00:33:02,982 --> 00:33:05,276
But that's not what happens
in real life.
743
00:33:06,820 --> 00:33:08,697
In real life,
there are appeals --
744
00:33:08,822 --> 00:33:10,699
many appeals.
745
00:33:10,782 --> 00:33:14,369
More people have been taken
off of death row in Florida
746
00:33:14,452 --> 00:33:16,287
than have been executed.
747
00:33:16,371 --> 00:33:20,375
-After Robert Hayes was found
guilty and sentenced to death,
748
00:33:20,458 --> 00:33:22,544
he appealed the conviction.
749
00:33:23,670 --> 00:33:26,297
-The Innocence Project
looks at cases
750
00:33:26,339 --> 00:33:28,591
where DNA evidence is used
751
00:33:28,675 --> 00:33:33,388
and tries to determine whether
they actually have somebody
752
00:33:33,513 --> 00:33:36,683
who is innocent of the crime
with which they were charged.
753
00:33:38,601 --> 00:33:41,271
-In 1995,
the Florida Supreme Court ruled
754
00:33:41,312 --> 00:33:44,399
that the original DNA testing
used on the red T-shirt
755
00:33:44,482 --> 00:33:47,360
in Pamela's case
involved band shifting --
756
00:33:47,444 --> 00:33:50,613
a method they deemed
scientifically unreliable.
757
00:33:50,739 --> 00:33:52,949
-And the t-shirt testing
that was done
758
00:33:53,033 --> 00:33:54,826
was a method
called band shifting,
759
00:33:54,868 --> 00:33:56,911
where in the DNA process,
760
00:33:56,995 --> 00:33:59,914
certain bands matched that
of Robert Hayes.
761
00:33:59,998 --> 00:34:02,000
So it pointed to him
as a suspect,
762
00:34:02,083 --> 00:34:05,420
but it was not pointing to him
with absolute certainty.
763
00:34:05,545 --> 00:34:08,173
-The method
that investigators use
764
00:34:08,256 --> 00:34:11,343
to examine the DNA
that was left on the shirt
765
00:34:11,426 --> 00:34:14,929
was considered no longer
reliable by the Supreme Court.
766
00:34:16,348 --> 00:34:19,059
-The second go around
was a bit of an uphill battle.
767
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,353
We lost a lot of
the DNA evidence
768
00:34:21,394 --> 00:34:23,229
that we had in the first trial.
769
00:34:23,355 --> 00:34:26,149
The appeals court said we
couldn't use that DNA testing,
770
00:34:26,274 --> 00:34:28,693
the red shirt,
as part of our material
771
00:34:28,777 --> 00:34:31,529
going forward in the prosecution
the second time.
772
00:34:31,571 --> 00:34:34,032
So we were going back to trial
773
00:34:34,074 --> 00:34:37,994
with only half the DNA evidence
that we had the first time.
774
00:34:38,078 --> 00:34:42,665
-They were no longer able to
use the testimony of witnesses
775
00:34:42,749 --> 00:34:45,835
who had told them that Albertson
was afraid of Hayes.
776
00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:48,838
-There was another issue
of hearsay and opinion
777
00:34:48,963 --> 00:34:51,007
that it cannot be allowed
in the new trial.
778
00:34:51,132 --> 00:34:54,344
We still had the hairs
on Pam's hands.
779
00:34:54,427 --> 00:34:56,763
Those hairs
were likely associated
780
00:34:56,888 --> 00:34:59,224
with that of the individual
that caused the attack.
781
00:34:59,349 --> 00:35:01,184
-In 1997,
782
00:35:01,267 --> 00:35:04,145
after being incarcerated
on death row for six years,
783
00:35:04,229 --> 00:35:07,023
Robert Hayes goes to trial
a second time
784
00:35:07,107 --> 00:35:08,858
for the murder
of Pamela Albertson
785
00:35:08,942 --> 00:35:11,069
to prove his innocence.
786
00:35:11,111 --> 00:35:14,781
And the defense zeroes in on the
hairs found in Pamela's hands,
787
00:35:14,864 --> 00:35:17,659
arguing that they must have
belonged to the assailant.
788
00:35:17,742 --> 00:35:21,705
-These hairs
belonged to a Caucasian.
789
00:35:21,788 --> 00:35:23,373
Hayes is a Black man.
790
00:35:23,456 --> 00:35:26,042
So we knew right away
something is wrong here.
791
00:35:26,084 --> 00:35:27,585
Whose hair is that?
792
00:35:29,212 --> 00:35:32,215
-The defense argument was.
it was a Caucasian.
793
00:35:32,298 --> 00:35:34,801
Defensive wounds --
she grabbed the suspect's hair.
794
00:35:34,926 --> 00:35:38,847
She had some of his hair,
and it couldn't be Robert Hayes.
795
00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:41,099
-Which led the jury
to come back with a verdict
796
00:35:41,182 --> 00:35:44,811
of not guilty for Robert Hayes
in Pam's death.
797
00:35:44,853 --> 00:35:47,814
-The three hairs
had been examined,
798
00:35:47,856 --> 00:35:49,983
but they had never been tested
for DNA.
799
00:35:50,025 --> 00:35:52,569
-Later on,
it was determined by a lab
800
00:35:52,652 --> 00:35:56,573
that those hairs
were from the victim, Pamela.
801
00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:59,617
-In a mind-blowing twist,
802
00:35:59,701 --> 00:36:02,620
Robert Hayes is released
from Florida's death row
803
00:36:02,704 --> 00:36:05,749
on July 16, 1997.
804
00:36:05,832 --> 00:36:08,209
-And he was free
to go back into the community
805
00:36:08,293 --> 00:36:09,669
wherever he chose to go.
806
00:36:11,338 --> 00:36:14,257
-A person like Robert Hayes
to be released
807
00:36:14,341 --> 00:36:17,135
would be the worst thing
they could possibly do.
808
00:36:19,471 --> 00:36:23,600
-That was a gut punch.
I felt as though I let Pam down.
809
00:36:23,683 --> 00:36:25,518
[ Dramatic music plays ]
810
00:36:25,685 --> 00:36:30,398
♪♪
811
00:36:30,523 --> 00:36:31,900
I still feel like that.
812
00:36:31,983 --> 00:36:34,402
♪♪
813
00:36:34,527 --> 00:36:36,112
-After being exonerated,
814
00:36:36,196 --> 00:36:38,698
Robert Hayes
cannot be tried again.
815
00:36:38,823 --> 00:36:40,408
It's called double jeopardy.
816
00:36:40,492 --> 00:36:43,703
And once you're exonerated
by a jury, that's it.
817
00:36:43,745 --> 00:36:45,747
You can't be tried
for that crime.
818
00:36:45,830 --> 00:36:48,124
♪♪
819
00:36:48,208 --> 00:36:51,252
-Knowing his violent history,
Detective Flynn and his team
820
00:36:51,336 --> 00:36:53,922
are desperate to keep
Robert Hayes behind bars,
821
00:36:54,005 --> 00:36:56,466
and their only hope
is to reach out to New York,
822
00:36:56,549 --> 00:36:58,093
because Hayes
has never been tried
823
00:36:58,218 --> 00:37:00,011
for the murder
of Leslie Dickenson.
824
00:37:00,136 --> 00:37:02,722
-So now they put
the ball back in our court
825
00:37:02,847 --> 00:37:04,974
to really go ahead
and try to find out the truth
826
00:37:05,058 --> 00:37:07,686
and find enough evidence
to indict Robert Hayes,
827
00:37:07,727 --> 00:37:09,938
because we knew he was guilty,
828
00:37:10,063 --> 00:37:11,773
but now he was gonna be free.
829
00:37:11,815 --> 00:37:13,942
-And there's no doubt
he's going to rape
830
00:37:14,025 --> 00:37:15,694
or hurt another woman.
831
00:37:15,777 --> 00:37:20,031
-He was a dangerous individual,
and the only hope I had
832
00:37:20,073 --> 00:37:22,117
was that Oneida County
833
00:37:39,134 --> 00:37:42,929
-On July 16th, 1997,
Robert Hayes is set free.
834
00:37:43,388 --> 00:37:44,931
And once again,
835
00:37:44,973 --> 00:37:47,434
Florida detectives
turn to New York for help.
836
00:37:47,475 --> 00:37:50,061
-When Robert Hayes
was found not guilty
837
00:37:50,145 --> 00:37:52,147
in the second trial
for Pam Albertson,
838
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:55,400
I let Oneida County
Sheriff's Office know that.
839
00:37:56,609 --> 00:37:58,445
-All hell broke loose
with the investigators.
840
00:37:58,570 --> 00:38:00,321
They were in my office
like immediately.
841
00:38:00,447 --> 00:38:01,990
-I felt we should have
to do something,
842
00:38:02,073 --> 00:38:03,450
we have to do something.
843
00:38:03,533 --> 00:38:05,326
I had talked to Mike Arcuri.
844
00:38:05,410 --> 00:38:07,537
I said, "We have to go forward
with this investigation."
845
00:38:07,579 --> 00:38:09,748
-This guy -- he's a predator.
846
00:38:09,789 --> 00:38:12,167
You can't let him be
on the street.
847
00:38:12,292 --> 00:38:14,461
The investigator is in Florida
knew full well
848
00:38:14,586 --> 00:38:16,796
that they had the right guy,
849
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,132
but that the evidence
was tainted somehow.
850
00:38:19,215 --> 00:38:20,925
So now they were pushing us,
851
00:38:21,051 --> 00:38:23,386
"You guys have to get him
for the Leslie Dickenson case."
852
00:38:23,428 --> 00:38:27,182
[ Dramatic music plays ]
853
00:38:27,223 --> 00:38:28,767
-We realized
that putting the case together,
854
00:38:28,892 --> 00:38:30,518
the grooms were key.
855
00:38:31,644 --> 00:38:34,314
They were all over the country.
856
00:38:34,356 --> 00:38:36,149
We went all over
the East Coast --
857
00:38:36,274 --> 00:38:37,859
South Carolina,
North Carolina --
858
00:38:37,984 --> 00:38:40,362
multiple states to try to find
different witnesses.
859
00:38:41,446 --> 00:38:42,781
A lot of them opened up.
860
00:38:42,822 --> 00:38:44,699
A lot of them
were afraid of him.
861
00:38:44,783 --> 00:38:47,369
There were a couple women
that he had actually threatened.
862
00:38:47,452 --> 00:38:49,371
The end of the day,
863
00:38:49,496 --> 00:38:52,582
they did come forward
and give us statements.
864
00:38:52,665 --> 00:38:56,044
-Detective Lisi finally gets
a break when two men,
865
00:38:56,086 --> 00:38:58,963
a groom and a former cellmate
of Robert's,
866
00:38:59,005 --> 00:39:01,966
come forward
with the same statement.
867
00:39:02,050 --> 00:39:03,677
-There was an individual
who said
868
00:39:03,802 --> 00:39:06,930
that he had an admission
from Robert Hayes
869
00:39:07,055 --> 00:39:09,391
that Robert Hayes
had committed this murder...
870
00:39:11,267 --> 00:39:13,478
up at a track in New York.
871
00:39:13,561 --> 00:39:14,979
-There were grooms
872
00:39:15,063 --> 00:39:17,399
and a prisoner
that he was in jail with
873
00:39:17,524 --> 00:39:20,110
where he admitted
that he had killed Leslie.
874
00:39:20,193 --> 00:39:21,820
-The witness statements
875
00:39:21,903 --> 00:39:24,155
and the admission of guilt
from Robert Hayes
876
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,782
is enough evidence
877
00:39:25,865 --> 00:39:27,951
for New York state prosecutors
to arrest him.
878
00:39:29,202 --> 00:39:33,790
-In 2003, Hayes was indicted
for second-degree murder
879
00:39:33,832 --> 00:39:35,959
in the death
of Leslie Dickenson.
880
00:39:36,042 --> 00:39:38,920
-In November 2004,
the trial of Robert Hayes
881
00:39:38,962 --> 00:39:41,715
for the murder
of Leslie Dickenson begins.
882
00:39:41,756 --> 00:39:44,968
-I was there in Oneida County
with Joe Lisi.
883
00:39:45,051 --> 00:39:47,303
-In a heart-stopping
turn of events,
884
00:39:47,429 --> 00:39:51,516
Robert Hayes pleads guilty to
the murder of Leslie Dickenson.
885
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:55,937
-Hayes decided to enter
a guilty plea to manslaughter.
886
00:39:56,021 --> 00:39:58,648
[ Soft music plays ]
887
00:39:58,732 --> 00:40:00,275
-We were both shocked.
888
00:40:01,401 --> 00:40:03,653
-I never expected him
to plead guilty.
889
00:40:03,695 --> 00:40:04,738
It was like a relief.
890
00:40:05,739 --> 00:40:07,365
-The court required him
to allocute --
891
00:40:07,449 --> 00:40:09,200
that is to tell exactly
what happened
892
00:40:09,242 --> 00:40:11,369
on the night
Leslie Dickenson was murdered.
893
00:40:12,537 --> 00:40:14,539
Robert Hayes indicated yes,
894
00:40:14,622 --> 00:40:16,708
he did go down
to her room that night,
895
00:40:16,750 --> 00:40:19,252
that he tried
to take some money from her,
896
00:40:19,336 --> 00:40:20,879
that she slapped his hand,
897
00:40:20,962 --> 00:40:23,298
that he got mad,
they had words.
898
00:40:24,341 --> 00:40:26,009
He punched her in the face
and knocked her out,
899
00:40:26,051 --> 00:40:28,261
at which point he got worried.
900
00:40:28,345 --> 00:40:30,138
He thought that he was going
to get in trouble.
901
00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:34,642
Then he took the electric knife,
cut her wrist, cut her neck...
902
00:40:36,186 --> 00:40:38,188
tied her up with the cord.
903
00:40:38,313 --> 00:40:41,733
He took the vodka,
poured it around, and lit it
904
00:40:41,858 --> 00:40:43,860
to try to hide what he did
905
00:40:43,902 --> 00:40:46,279
and to try to make it look like
a suicide.
906
00:40:46,363 --> 00:40:48,073
-Robert Hayes was sentenced
907
00:40:48,156 --> 00:40:50,784
to between 15
and 45 years in prison.
908
00:40:50,825 --> 00:40:54,704
-But with the possibility
of parole after 25 years.
909
00:40:54,788 --> 00:40:58,291
I had great concerns
whether or not he gets paroled.
910
00:40:58,375 --> 00:41:00,043
-The biggest feeling I had
911
00:41:00,126 --> 00:41:02,170
was the sense of making it whole
for the family.
912
00:41:03,254 --> 00:41:05,465
Because in totality,
we screwed up.
913
00:41:05,507 --> 00:41:06,716
The whole
criminal justice system
914
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:07,926
let that family down.
915
00:41:08,843 --> 00:41:11,304
We missed things
that shouldn't have been missed.
916
00:41:11,388 --> 00:41:13,390
But now we righted a wrong.
917
00:41:13,473 --> 00:41:14,933
[ Down-tempo music plays ]
918
00:41:15,016 --> 00:41:17,394
-When they got him
for Leslie's case,
919
00:41:17,435 --> 00:41:19,979
that made me very happy.
920
00:41:20,146 --> 00:41:22,190
♪♪
921
00:41:22,273 --> 00:41:24,484
-Although Robert Hayes
pled guilty
922
00:41:24,609 --> 00:41:25,694
to Leslie Dickenson's murder,
923
00:41:25,777 --> 00:41:27,654
the story doesn't end there.
924
00:41:27,696 --> 00:41:31,491
Hayes claims he is innocent in
the murder of Pamela Albertson
925
00:41:31,616 --> 00:41:34,369
and wrongfully spent time
on death row.
926
00:41:34,452 --> 00:41:36,413
He reaches out
to the Innocence Project,
927
00:41:36,538 --> 00:41:40,750
demanding that the DNA
in Pamela's case be retested.
928
00:41:40,834 --> 00:41:44,337
-The Innocence Project asked the
Broward State Attorney's Office
929
00:41:44,421 --> 00:41:48,258
to retest the vaginal swabs,
retest the shirt,
930
00:41:48,341 --> 00:41:52,512
and let's show once and for all
that this was not Robert Hayes.
931
00:41:52,554 --> 00:41:55,765
-They retest Pamela's clothing
for DNA samples,
932
00:41:55,849 --> 00:42:00,729
and they discover that
it belonged to Robert Hayes.
933
00:42:00,854 --> 00:42:05,108
-The DNA found on her body
belonged to Hayes.
934
00:42:05,191 --> 00:42:07,110
Instead of clearing his name,
935
00:42:07,235 --> 00:42:13,283
Hayes condemned himself as the
murderer of Pamela Albertson.
936
00:42:13,366 --> 00:42:16,619
-Although Robert Hayes cannot
be retried in Pamela's case,
937
00:42:16,703 --> 00:42:19,998
the DNA evidence can be used
by New York state prosecutors
938
00:42:20,123 --> 00:42:22,959
to keep Hayes behind bars
for Leslie Dickenson's murder
939
00:42:23,001 --> 00:42:25,545
when he's eligible for parole.
940
00:42:25,587 --> 00:42:28,757
-The parole board can consider
the murder of Pamela Albertson
941
00:42:28,882 --> 00:42:31,885
in determining
whether he gets paroled.
942
00:42:32,886 --> 00:42:34,846
-My feeling when that happened
943
00:42:34,929 --> 00:42:38,016
was that justice
is finally being served.
74401
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