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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,011 --> 00:00:07,011 ���룺hardstick У����hardstick ʱ���᣺hardstick 2 00:00:11,211 --> 00:00:13,946 - Source is consciousness -Դͷ����ʶ�� 3 00:00:15,148 --> 00:00:20,352 that has created this whole beautiful existence that we see. ��ʶ�����ˣ����������������������Ĵ��ڡ� 4 00:00:22,823 --> 00:00:29,594 The difference between God and Source,God is a concept that we've learned through society. �ϵۺ�Դͷ�������ϵ������Ǵ������ѧ���ĸ�� 5 00:00:29,597 --> 00:00:36,168 Source is manifesting, is having a personal experience through each of us. Դͷ���Ի��ģ���ͨ������ÿ���˵ġ��������顱�� 6 00:00:38,338 --> 00:00:42,574 People can't find God in religion. �����޷����ڽ��У��ҵ��ϵۡ� 7 00:00:43,977 --> 00:00:47,613 We are what we're looking for already. �����Ѿ��ǣ�����Ҫ�ҵ����ˡ� 8 00:00:51,085 --> 00:00:57,022 It's a futile search to find God outside of yourself. ��������֮��Ѱ���ϵۣ���ͽ�͵ġ� 9 00:01:00,027 --> 00:01:02,061 (inspiring music) [�������ĵ�����] 10 00:01:02,261 --> 00:01:08,261 Ƭ������ϲ����֪ ���룺hardstick У����hardstick ʱ���᣺hardstick 11 00:01:11,906 --> 00:01:14,006 (liturgic music) [���ʽ������] 12 00:01:14,206 --> 00:01:19,206 ����ǡ���ϲ���Ĺ��� 13 00:01:20,806 --> 00:01:25,806 �����������Ϊ�����ϵ�̽�� 14 00:01:28,606 --> 00:01:31,606 ���˶�.��������֪ 15 00:01:31,792 --> 00:01:34,426 I was born and raised in Chicago. ������֥�Ӹ磬�������ɳ��ġ� 16 00:01:34,495 --> 00:01:36,761 My mother was Irish Catholic. ��ĸ���ǰ�����������ͽ�� 17 00:01:36,830 --> 00:01:42,867 Went to Mass every morning,seven days a week.Dragged me with her. ÿ�����죬ÿ�����϶�ȥ����������ʱ����ק���ң�����һ��ȥ�� 18 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:52,878 I started feeling like I wanted to know more about this God that they're talking about. �ҿ�ʼ���ã����������˽⣬������˵���ϵۡ� 19 00:01:53,580 --> 00:01:59,885 And the only way I knew,that was the Irish Catholic way, was you become a priest. ������֪����Ψһ���������ǰ����������̵ķ��������dz�Ϊһ����ʦ�� 20 00:02:00,085 --> 00:02:03,085 ��ʥ���˶����ã�֥�Ӹ磬1954�꣩ 21 00:02:03,090 --> 00:02:04,756 - Corpus Christi. -���˻�����ʥ�塣 22 00:02:05,759 --> 00:02:10,762 - After eighth grade,I went straight into the seminary for the priesthood. -���꼶����ֱ�ӽ�����ѧԺ��������ʦ�� 23 00:02:10,764 --> 00:02:12,330 - Corpus Christi. -�����ʥ��ɡ� 24 00:02:14,868 --> 00:02:16,702 - So in me, -���ԣ��������ģ� 25 00:02:17,737 --> 00:02:23,308 I got implanted from a very early age,a burning desire to know God. �ҴӺ�С��ʱ�򣬾ͱ�������һ��ǿ�ҵĿ�������Ҫ��ʶ�ϵۡ� 26 00:02:24,778 --> 00:02:26,979 (inspiring music) [�������ĵ�����] 27 00:02:36,657 --> 00:02:40,159 One day, I woke up. I was 26 years old. ��һ�죬�������ˡ��ҵ�ʱ��26�ꡣ 28 00:02:40,227 --> 00:02:42,694 And I thought,what am I doing here? ���룬����������ʲô�� 29 00:02:42,762 --> 00:02:44,830 It was like a revelation. �����һ����ʾ�� 30 00:02:58,012 --> 00:02:59,645 I got to go. �ҵ����ˡ� 31 00:03:03,951 --> 00:03:06,818 - We hope you find whatever it is that you're looking for. -����ϣ���������ҵ���ҪѰ���Ŀ�ꡣ 32 00:03:08,021 --> 00:03:11,623 - That was the end of Catholic religion for me. -������˵������������������Ľ����� 33 00:03:11,992 --> 00:03:14,392 And I just felt free, totally free. �Ҹо������ɣ���ȫ�����ɡ� 34 00:03:15,796 --> 00:03:18,197 I had literally nothing. ������ǣ�һ�������ˡ� 35 00:03:19,567 --> 00:03:23,368 But they gave me a few hundred dollars, and I had that Honda motorcycl. �����Ǹ����Ҽ�����Ԫ���Ҿ�������������Ħ�г��� 36 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:27,873 So I just got on it and rode west. ���ǣ��Ҿ���������һ·������ 37 00:03:28,041 --> 00:03:30,275 (rock music) [ҡ������] 38 00:03:42,789 --> 00:03:44,690 So I made it out to California, ���ǣ��������˼��������ǣ� �������룩 39 00:03:45,726 --> 00:03:48,460 stayed at a friend's house,and started my own business. ס��һ�����Ѽң���ʼ���Լ�����ҵ�� 40 00:03:49,329 --> 00:03:54,032 An alarm company, home securit, motion detection. һ�ұ������Ĺ�˾�������ͥ�������˶�Ŀ���⡣ 41 00:03:54,034 --> 00:03:58,870 - Schick Electric bought us out,$3.2 million, yeah. -��ϣ�˵�������˾��320����Ԫ�����������ǵĹɷݡ��ǵġ� 42 00:04:00,007 --> 00:04:03,642 So that was my first big success. ������ҵĵ�һ����ɹ��� 43 00:04:03,912 --> 00:04:06,311 Then I really went crazy. Ȼ������ġ�Ʈ�ˡ������� 44 00:04:07,781 --> 00:04:11,850 Then I bought a resort on Lake LBJ. Ȼ������LBJ������һ���ȼٴ塣 ���¿���˹��һ��ˮ�⣬���ֵ�Լ��ѷ��ͳ������ 45 00:04:12,652 --> 00:04:18,156 And it wasn't until I got in my 30s that I started seeking again. ֱ����30�����ʱ���Ҳ��ٴο�ʼѰ�� 46 00:04:19,994 --> 00:04:23,295 So I attended my first yoga class. ���ԣ��Ҳμ����ҵĵ�һ���٤�Ρ� 47 00:04:23,297 --> 00:04:27,266 And wow, that was like the beginning of the new search. ���Ǿ��ۣ���������µ�̽���Ŀ�ʼ�� 48 00:04:27,334 --> 00:04:28,934 (ethereal music) [���������] 49 00:04:31,505 --> 00:04:36,174 This is when I began teaching Zen tennis. ������ʱ���ҿ�ʼ���ڡ����������ˡ� 50 00:04:36,348 --> 00:04:40,848 ����������һЩ�ˡ�ϲ�������¸��һЩ�ˡ���������¸�� 51 00:04:41,048 --> 00:04:43,515 I was a tennis pro, ������ְҵ�����˶�Ա�� 52 00:04:44,017 --> 00:04:49,788 and I had a club in Dallas,and it had 500 women that belonged to it. ���ڴ���˹�и����ֲ�����500����Ů���롣 53 00:04:49,890 --> 00:04:51,890 It was yoga, meditation,and tennis. ���ǹ��ڣ��٤��ڤ�룬������ġ� 54 00:04:51,892 --> 00:04:54,092 (pop music) [��������] 55 00:04:58,699 --> 00:05:00,966 I was satiated with women. �Һ͸���Ů�ˣ��������ˡ� 56 00:05:01,034 --> 00:05:03,735 I swore I would never even go on another date. �ҷ����ģ���Ҳ����Ů��Լ���ˡ� 57 00:05:07,140 --> 00:05:09,174 She walked in and I went, Oh! ����һ�߽���ʱ���Ҿͣ�Ŷ�� 58 00:05:09,909 --> 00:05:11,043 Wow. �ۡ� 59 00:05:15,648 --> 00:05:17,482 That was the end of my dating. �ҵ�Լ�ᣬ�����������ˡ� 60 00:05:17,851 --> 00:05:23,989 Connecting with Pauline,I mean, I had like a voice from within that, this is it. �Ͳ�����һ������˵����������һ���������������ˡ� 61 00:05:24,057 --> 00:05:25,857 (pop music) [��������] 62 00:05:28,496 --> 00:05:31,930 We got engaged, and then I took her on a scuba diving trip. ���Ƕ����ˣ�Ȼ���Ҵ���ȥDZˮ���Ρ� 63 00:05:32,530 --> 00:05:36,130 (1979�꣬ī���磬ͼ¬ķ���� �����ձȺ��ߵ����Źųǣ� 64 00:05:37,737 --> 00:05:40,772 I had a friend down there,this guy's name was Fred. ���и�������������и��׵¡� 65 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:42,974 Fred became a really good friend of mine. ���׵³����ҵĺ����ѡ� 66 00:05:42,976 --> 00:05:46,010 He kept begging me to try this drug. ��һֱ�����ң��������֡�ҩ��� 67 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:47,646 I'd say, I don't do drugs, I don't do drugs. �һ�˵���Ҳ���ҩ���Ҳ������� 68 00:05:47,714 --> 00:05:49,080 He was saying, OK, ��˵��û�µģ� 69 00:05:49,083 --> 00:05:54,286 as a gift to me,as a gift of trust of friendship, try this. ��Ϊ���ҵ������Ϊ���κ������������������ 70 00:05:56,290 --> 00:05:58,856 Fred had a friend in Boston ���׵��ڲ�ʿ���и����� 71 00:05:59,192 --> 00:06:01,393 that sent him a few of these. ��������һЩ���֡���������� 72 00:06:06,099 --> 00:06:08,233 (soft music) [���������] 73 00:06:22,149 --> 00:06:26,251 I'd never had any kind of experience like that before in my life. ���Ⱳ�ӣ���ǰ��δ�й������ľ����� 74 00:06:37,097 --> 00:06:38,897 I was just laying there in the sand. ��ֻ������ɳ̲�ϡ� 75 00:06:42,036 --> 00:06:44,302 Oh, my God. Ŷ���ҵ��ϵۡ� 76 00:06:45,338 --> 00:06:48,106 Couldn't even describe the experience. �������޷����������־����� 77 00:06:49,576 --> 00:06:55,480 It was extreme happiness and oneness and lightness and no fear. ����һ�ּ��ȵĸ��ܣ��Ҹ�����һ�����ɣ�û�ие��־塣 78 00:06:55,482 --> 00:06:58,517 It was so healing, so wonderful. ������������������� 79 00:06:59,820 --> 00:07:02,888 I felt this oneness, and then everything I knew �Ҹо��������ֺ�һ��Ȼ����֮ǰ��֪���ģ� 80 00:07:03,990 --> 00:07:06,191 about spirituality and Catholicism �������Ժ������̻��һ�У� 81 00:07:06,193 --> 00:07:10,262 and all of that was just a huge cosmic joke. ��ֻ��һ���޴������Ц���� 82 00:07:15,002 --> 00:07:17,936 That night, I got the command from the universe �������ϣ��ҽӵ����������� 83 00:07:18,739 --> 00:07:20,272 to get this out there. Ҫ�Ұ������������� 84 00:07:21,307 --> 00:07:24,776 I already saw it being deliverd around the whole world. ���Ѿ������ˣ��������͵���ȫ���硣 85 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:33,118 (celestial music) [���������] 86 00:07:35,018 --> 00:07:38,018 �����.�಼�֣������ߣ� 87 00:07:38,158 --> 00:07:40,725 - I was born in Chicago shortly after the war. ���ڶ�ս�󲻾ã�������֥�Ӹ硣 88 00:07:40,727 --> 00:07:42,527 My family was well-off, �ҵļ�ͥ�ܸ�ԣ�� 89 00:07:42,595 --> 00:07:47,432 and so I had every possible advantage you could have in terms of privilege, ����������Ȩ���棬ӵ��һ�п��ܵ����ƣ� 90 00:07:47,500 --> 00:07:54,206 and I had extremely progressive parents who were very left-wing and very supportive. ���зdz������ĸ�ĸ�����Ƿdz��������dz�֧���ҡ� 91 00:07:54,708 --> 00:07:59,577 I was raised on stories of the Holocaust,which profoundly disturbed me. �������Ŵ���ɱ�Ĺ��³���ģ���������в����� 92 00:07:59,580 --> 00:08:05,049 All of that led me to realize that the most important concerns were psychological. ������Щ��������ʶ��������Ҫ�������������ϵġ� 93 00:08:05,052 --> 00:08:07,452 We needed emotional and spiritual ������Ҫ��к;����ϵ� 94 00:08:08,555 --> 00:08:10,054 evolution and growth. �����ͳɳ��� 95 00:08:10,057 --> 00:08:12,991 And I felt that this mission that I was given �Ҿ��ã��ұ�����������ʹ���� 96 00:08:13,059 --> 00:08:17,662 was to respond to that kind of murderous nature of the Holocaust. ���ǶԴ���ɱ���ײб��ʣ�������Ӧ�� 97 00:08:19,232 --> 00:08:22,934 I went to this experimental college in Sarasota, Florida ��ȥ�˷�����������������е�һ����ʵ�鼼��ѧԺ����1971�꣩ 98 00:08:23,002 --> 00:08:25,136 called New College, ������ѧԺ�� 99 00:08:25,138 --> 00:08:26,605 and it had no grades. ��û�зּ��ƶȡ� 100 00:08:27,474 --> 00:08:31,576 There was a tradition of psychedelic use at this college. ������ѧ����ʹ���Ի�ҩ�Ĵ�ͳ�� 101 00:08:31,578 --> 00:08:36,281 In particular,all-night dance parties that went till sunrise. �ر���ͨ������ᣬһֱ�������ճ��� 102 00:08:36,283 --> 00:08:38,183 And I was like, wow,this is great. �ҵ�ʱ�룬�ۣ���̫���ˡ� 103 00:08:38,251 --> 00:08:44,122 - Lysergic acid diethylamide. LSD. -�������Ұ����׳ƣ�LSD�� 104 00:08:44,190 --> 00:08:45,690 - When I first started taking LSD, -�Ҹտ�ʼ�����Ի�ҩLSDʱ�� 105 00:08:45,692 --> 00:08:48,693 I thought, this is what my bar mitzvah should have bee. ���룬�ҵij�����Ӧ���������ġ� 106 00:08:49,563 --> 00:08:51,629 It was like a confrontation with who am I, ����һ�ֶԿ����������ʣ�����˭�� 107 00:08:51,698 --> 00:08:53,965 where do I fit in the universe, what are my emotions, ���������е�λ��������ҵ������ʲô�� 108 00:08:53,967 --> 00:08:55,433 where do I come from? ���Ǵ��������ģ� 109 00:08:55,501 --> 00:08:59,671 So I started really getting the sense that the psychedelics were a doorway ���ԣ��ҿ�ʼ������ʶ�����Ի�ҩ��һ���ţ� 110 00:08:59,739 --> 00:09:04,776 to a deeper understanding of myself and of reality and of spirituality. ���Ҹ�������˽��Լ����˽���ʵ�;��� 111 00:09:04,844 --> 00:09:06,978 (psychedelic rock music) [�Ի�ҡ������] 112 00:09:12,552 --> 00:09:15,987 And I felt that this was what I wanted to do with my life. �Ҿ��ã��������һ����Ҫ�������顣 113 00:09:16,056 --> 00:09:20,258 I wanted to bring back psychedelic research,become a psychedelic therapist. ����ָ����Ի�ҩ���о�����Ϊһ���Ի�ҩ����ʦ�� 114 00:09:21,058 --> 00:09:27,058 �����ݣ���ɯ���о����� ��������1962�꣬����Ϊ������DZ���˶����ķ�Դ�ء� �ںϽ��������顢�о������������Ķ��������� 115 00:09:27,534 --> 00:09:30,702 - Esalen, it was the Human Potential Movement. -�ڡ���ɯ�ס�������һ�ֿ�������DZ�ܵ��˶��� 116 00:09:30,770 --> 00:09:34,172 It was Eastern and Western philosophy. ���Ƕ�����ѧ��������ѧ�Ľ�ϡ� �����.���壬����ʦ�� 117 00:09:34,174 --> 00:09:36,541 It was forms of meditation and body work. ����ڤ��������������ʽ�� 118 00:09:36,543 --> 00:09:39,578 We had helped to organize a conference on psychedelics. ���ǰ�����֯��һ���������»ü��Ļ��顣 119 00:09:40,547 --> 00:09:43,681 Most of the drugs that are prescribed for, ���������ҩ� 120 00:09:43,684 --> 00:09:47,752 whether it's depression or anxiety and so on, are drugs that you take every day. ����������֢���ǽ���֢�ȵȣ�������ÿ�춼Ҫ���õ�ҩ� 121 00:09:47,754 --> 00:09:49,887 You can develop a tolerance to them. ��������������ǵ������ԡ� 122 00:09:49,956 --> 00:09:52,057 There are a lot of side effects to them. �����кܶั���á� 123 00:09:52,626 --> 00:09:57,662 I was part of the group that was trying out these different analogues, ���dz�����Щ��ͬ���������С���һԱ�� 124 00:09:57,730 --> 00:10:00,531 but none of them quite hit it the same way, ��û��һ������ͬ���ķ�ʽ������Ҫ���� 125 00:10:00,534 --> 00:10:06,237 with the same heart-opening sense of safety and compassion. ����ͬ����������İ�ȫ�к�ͬ���ġ� 126 00:10:06,239 --> 00:10:11,242 There just wasn't one that quite did what MDMA did. ֻ��û��һ��ҩ��ܴﵽMDMA(ҡͷ��)��Ч���� �� MDMAѧ�������Ǽ׻�˫���������� 127 00:10:17,851 --> 00:10:20,919 I met with Rick Doblin at Esalen. ���ڡ������ס��о�����������ˡ��಼�֡� 128 00:10:20,987 --> 00:10:24,589 That's actually a couple years after I had been working with MDMA. �������ҽӴ�MDMA(ҡͷ��)����֮�� 129 00:10:24,591 --> 00:10:27,759 He was a bright, young, ���Ǹ����������ᣬ 130 00:10:27,827 --> 00:10:30,195 enthusiastic guy, and, you know, ������ˣ����ң���֪���� 131 00:10:30,263 --> 00:10:33,064 a kind of handsome guy,and he had great energy. ��ͦ˧�ģ����Ҿ������档 132 00:10:33,133 --> 00:10:37,369 And I was bringing some MDMA to some other friends that were there. �Ҹ��ڳ����������ѣ�����Щҡͷ�衣 133 00:10:40,774 --> 00:10:47,412 - I saw a group of people in a circle doing MDMA and talking to each other. -�ҿ���һȺ��Χ��һȦ����ʳҡͷ�裬���̸ཻ�� 134 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,148 And I thought, this is trivial. �����룬�����ڡ���÷ֹ�ʡ��� 135 00:10:50,216 --> 00:10:53,251 And my initial impression was,I'm not that interested in it. �������ӡ���ǣ��Ҷ�����̫����Ȥ�� 136 00:10:53,253 --> 00:10:56,821 - Rick's kind of going, oh,well, I already love myself and everybody, -��˺�����˵��Ŷ���ðɣ����Ѿ��������Լ����������ˣ� 137 00:10:56,890 --> 00:10:58,490 and I don't have any problems with communication. ���ң����ڹ�ͨ���棬û���κ����⡣ 138 00:10:58,558 --> 00:11:01,492 So he's kind of like, yeah,kind of dissing it. ���ԣ��������е�����ǵģ��е��������� 139 00:11:01,495 --> 00:11:06,564 And as Rick likes to say,he was smart enough to buy some. ������˳�˵�ģ������Ǻ����ǵ�����һЩ�� 140 00:11:06,566 --> 00:11:11,235 - And so I took some home and did it with my girlfriend and was just shocked. -�����Ҵ���һЩ�ؼң����ҵ�Ů����һ����ã��Һ��𾪡� 141 00:11:11,238 --> 00:11:13,071 (soft music) [���������] 142 00:11:16,843 --> 00:11:18,743 I thought, this drug is amazing. ���룬��ҩ̫�����ˡ� 143 00:11:21,081 --> 00:11:27,152 It was eye-opening and just like, this is a new, better way of processing. �����˴��۽磬��������һ���µģ����õ��ദ��ʽ�� 144 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:35,860 I felt like we could talk at a level of clarity and sensitivity and lack of defensiveness like never before. �Ҿ��ã����ǿ��ԣ���ǰ��δ�еģ����������кͲ����䱸�ķ�ʽ�����жԻ��� 145 00:11:40,433 --> 00:11:44,869 The drug is helping us express how much we love each other, ҩ��������DZ������ǶԱ˴˵İ��� 146 00:11:44,871 --> 00:11:47,505 but the love didn't come from the drug. �����ְ���������ҩ� 147 00:11:48,075 --> 00:11:51,676 This is a tool that can really open up myself, ����һ�����ߣ��������������Լ��� 148 00:11:51,678 --> 00:11:55,313 others, the culture to the value of psychedelics. �򿪱��ˣ����ֳ��Ի�ҩ�Ļ��ļ�ֵ�� 149 00:11:56,883 --> 00:11:58,149 - My phone rings, -�ҵĵ绰���ˣ� 150 00:11:58,151 --> 00:12:01,652 and wow, he's just blasting through the phone. �ۣ������ڵ绰�������� 151 00:12:01,721 --> 00:12:03,354 He's ecstatic. �������˿�ϲ�� 152 00:12:03,422 --> 00:12:05,456 And he starts thanking me. Ȼ������ʼ��л�ҡ� 153 00:12:05,459 --> 00:12:07,959 And so he was just on fire. ���ң��������Ż���һ���� 154 00:12:09,563 --> 00:12:11,062 He just loved it. ������ϲ�������� 155 00:12:11,131 --> 00:12:14,031 And so we became friends,because we both wanted to be therapists, �������dz�Ϊ�����ѣ���Ϊ���Ƕ����Ϊ����ʦ�� 156 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:17,201 and we thought psychedelics could facilitate that,and especially MDMA. ������Ϊ�Ի�ҩ���Դٽ���һ�㣬������ҡͷ�衣 157 00:12:17,204 --> 00:12:19,403 (disco music) [��˹������] 158 00:12:19,472 --> 00:12:24,809 They knew that it wasn't illegal, but they knew that it could easily become illegal. ����֪�����Ⲣ��Υ����������֪����������ף����Υ���� 159 00:12:24,877 --> 00:12:30,114 - So we started Earth Metabolic Design Lab to gather the support of the psychedelic community, -�������ǿ�ʼ�����ˡ������л���ʵ���ҡ������ռ��Ի�������֧�֣� 160 00:12:30,183 --> 00:12:32,083 to have a non-profit context. Ҫ��һ����Ӫ���ı����� 161 00:12:32,152 --> 00:12:34,419 And so we're having these meetings at Esalen ���ԣ��������������о��������������Ļ��飬 162 00:12:34,487 --> 00:12:40,057 of sort of people from the psychedelic 60s and underground psychedelic therapy. ��������60����Ի��Ʒ��͵����Ի��Ʒ����ˡ� 163 00:12:40,060 --> 00:12:44,095 This is where I learned about Sasha Shulgin and the whole psychedelic underground. �Ҿ����������˽⵽��ɳ������𣬺������Իõ�����֯�ġ� 164 00:12:44,598 --> 00:12:48,266 Sasha Shulgin is a brilliant chemist. ��ɳ���������һλ�ܳ��Ļ�ѧ�ҡ� 165 00:12:48,334 --> 00:12:56,574 - Sasha was the one who published on the human studies, and so he's been kind of called the godfather of MDMA. -��ɳ��һλ�����������о�������ˣ����ԣ�������Ϊ��ҡͷ��Ľ̸����� 166 00:12:57,243 --> 00:13:00,845 - Sasha would develop new drugs.He would take it himself first. -��ɳ�Ὺ����ҩ�����������Լ����á� 167 00:13:01,414 --> 00:13:03,047 If he thought it was interesting, ��������ú���Ȥ�� 168 00:13:03,049 --> 00:13:08,753 then it would go to this group of 12 people that would meet periodically to try new drugs. ��ô���ͻύ�����12�˵�С�飬���ǻᶨ�ڻ��棬������ҩ�� 169 00:13:08,755 --> 00:13:14,459 Sasha did say that of all the MDMA-like drugs that he developed,MDMA was the best. ��ɳ˵���������з�����������ҡͷ���ҩ���У�ҡͷ������õġ� 170 00:13:14,527 --> 00:13:20,598 And from the middle 70s to the early 80s, around half a million doses were used. ��70������ڵ�80���������Լ��50���ҩ�ﱻ���á� 171 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,368 Some of it was for couples therapy,you know, personal growth. ��Щ�����ڷ��޼�����ƣ��㶮�ģ�Ϊ�˸��˵ijɳ��� 172 00:13:24,371 --> 00:13:29,106 And out of that is where the word spread. ����ǣ�����ʻ㴫���ĵط��� 173 00:13:29,109 --> 00:13:32,410 And that's where eventually Michael heard about it. ���˶������������˵������¡� 174 00:13:39,119 --> 00:13:41,619 (pop music) [��������] 175 00:13:44,991 --> 00:13:46,324 - It's just like... -�����... 176 00:13:46,392 --> 00:13:49,894 the universe gives you a mission and you just go for it. ���������һ���������ȥ������� 177 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:54,365 In researching it, ���о������У� 178 00:13:54,433 --> 00:14:00,605 I found out that Alexander Shulgin was giving a talk at University of California, Santa Barbara. �ҷ�������ɽ������𣬵�ʱ���ڼ��ݴ�ѧʥ�Ͱ�����У���ݽ��� 179 00:14:00,673 --> 00:14:06,577 I was living in Dallas at the time and I went and I attended it �ҵ�ʱס�ڴ���˹����ȥ�μ��������� 180 00:14:06,580 --> 00:14:10,948 and I intended to ask him about: how do I make this? ������������Ҫ��ô��������������أ� 181 00:14:10,951 --> 00:14:12,650 I mean, this is incredible stuff. �ҵ���˼�ǣ����Dz���˼��Ķ����� 182 00:14:12,652 --> 00:14:14,785 So I went up for the talk. ���ԣ��Ҿ�ȥ���ݽ��ˡ� 183 00:14:14,788 --> 00:14:17,355 - This is a start.Thank you very much. -���Ǹ���ʼ���dz���л���ǡ� 184 00:14:17,423 --> 00:14:19,524 (applause) [����] 185 00:14:21,494 --> 00:14:24,329 - They carried him off the stage on their shoulders. -���ǰ��������˽�̨�� 186 00:14:25,464 --> 00:14:27,198 And I didn't get a chance to talk to him. �Ҷ�û�������˵���� 187 00:14:30,370 --> 00:14:38,342 I was walking down the beach after that and happened to run into him. ����֮�������ź�̲�ߣ��������������� 188 00:14:38,411 --> 00:14:39,710 Mr. Shulgin? ����������� 189 00:14:39,713 --> 00:14:41,612 Hi! �ˣ� 190 00:14:41,615 --> 00:14:43,381 Clegg. I'm Michael Clegg. �ҽп��������˶�.������ 191 00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:47,018 I just happened to recognize hm and said, oh my God, I came hee ��ֻ�������ϳ�������Ȼ��˵��Ŷ�����ģ�������� 192 00:14:47,020 --> 00:14:51,189 because I have this mission to bring this to the world. ����Ϊ�������ʹ����Ҫ������������硣 193 00:14:51,257 --> 00:14:52,990 He was all happy about that. ���Դ˷dz����ˡ� 194 00:14:52,993 --> 00:14:54,926 He loved my project. ��ϲ���ҵ���Ŀ�� 195 00:14:55,996 --> 00:15:00,031 And he said, I've already given the formula in a book. ��˵�����Ѿ������ϣ������˷���ʽ�� 196 00:15:01,767 --> 00:15:03,467 And he gave me the name of it. ���������Ȿ������֡� 197 00:15:03,470 --> 00:15:08,940 The man had made it public information so that it would not get lost. ���˰������������� �����ⶪʧ�� 198 00:15:10,477 --> 00:15:15,146 Even though he didn't really know me, he and I had a perfect fit. ���������������˽��ң��������ҷdz����ϡ� 199 00:15:15,214 --> 00:15:18,750 And from there,it just all flowed perfectly. ����ʱ��һ�ж���˳���� 200 00:15:27,493 --> 00:15:30,494 - Apparently, Michael Clegg went around telling people -����Ȼ�����˶��������񵽴�����˵�� 201 00:15:30,497 --> 00:15:33,564 that Alexander Shulgin gave him the formula ����ɽ�������������䷽�� 202 00:15:33,632 --> 00:15:37,501 and gave him, like, his blessig to go forth and make... ��������ף��������ȥ��... 203 00:15:37,504 --> 00:15:39,437 It was complete nonsense. ����ȫ���޻�̸֮�� 204 00:15:39,505 --> 00:15:43,374 - If that part is true, I do know that Sasha regretted it. -���������ģ���֪������ɳ��ܺ�ڵġ� 205 00:15:43,376 --> 00:15:47,578 - In fact, he was, you know,quite shocked to find out what he was up to. -��ʵ�ϣ���֪�������������Լ�����ʲôʱ�����dz��𾪡� 206 00:15:47,580 --> 00:15:50,181 Sasha didn't want it to become illegal. ��ɳ��ϣ�����ɷǷ���Ϊ�� 207 00:15:54,921 --> 00:15:57,855 - Got the book immediately. -���Ͼ͵õ����Ȿ�顣 208 00:15:57,923 --> 00:16:04,929 Got hold of a chemist in New York City who couldn't quite make it crystallize. ����ϵ��ŦԼ��һ����ѧ�ң���ȴû�취�������ᾧ������ 209 00:16:04,998 --> 00:16:08,132 I was like a heat-seeking rocket on this. �Ҹ����£�����һöѰ���Ե��Ļ����һ���� 210 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:13,671 So I started all over again with a Filipino woman that was a PhD chemist. ��ˣ��Һ�һλ���ɱ�Ů��ѧ��ʿ�����¿�ʼ�� 211 00:16:19,146 --> 00:16:23,581 - In 1979, I moved to Intel, a semiconductor company. -1979�꣬�����۵��뵼�幫˾Ӣ�ض��� 212 00:16:23,583 --> 00:16:29,420 I was employed at the quality control division of the wafer fabrication processes. ���ھ�Բ������̵��������Ʋ��Ź����� ��������.��ά��������ѧ�ң� 213 00:16:29,422 --> 00:16:32,757 Howard Butcher, my boss and mentor, �����¡��������ҵ��ϰ�͵�ʦ�� 214 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:36,594 he took me aside and asked me if I wanted to do some consulting. �����ҽе�һ�ߣ������Ƿ�����һЩ��ѯ������ 215 00:16:38,898 --> 00:16:45,536 I had heard that he was hired to synthesize MDMA at the gram level. ����˵�����˹����ϳɡ��˼�����ҡͷ�衣 216 00:16:45,605 --> 00:16:49,640 The consulting work with Howard Butcher was done after hours. �����¡���������ѯ�����������°����ɵġ� 217 00:16:49,708 --> 00:16:53,644 I put together all the equipmet that I would need, �Ұ�������Ҫ���豸��������һ�� 218 00:16:53,646 --> 00:16:56,947 and I went to the laboratory and executed. Ȼ��ȥʵ���Ҳ���ִ�С� 219 00:16:56,950 --> 00:17:03,254 I was given the Merck patent and it wasn't mentioned there that it was an amphetamine.���������� ���õ���Ĭ�˹�˾��ר����������û���ᵽ������һ�֡������������� 220 00:17:03,256 --> 00:17:07,925 It was 3,4-methylenedioxy isopropylamine. ����3,4-�Ǽ׻�������������� 221 00:17:07,993 --> 00:17:13,464 It was just the molecule,you know, the legality was not a question at that point. ��ֻ�Ƿ��ӣ���֪��������һ���ϣ��Ϸ����Dz�������ġ� 222 00:17:13,466 --> 00:17:14,932 It didn't matter to me. �������˵��������Ҫ�� 223 00:17:14,934 --> 00:17:20,304 It was a molecule that was simply progressing into some kind of commercial state. ����һ�ַ��ӣ�ֻ�ǽ�����ij����ҵ״̬�� 224 00:17:23,008 --> 00:17:28,613 So that was when I had to pretty much create the crystallization process. �������Ҫ��ɡ��ᾧ���̡���ʱ�� 225 00:17:29,482 --> 00:17:32,717 I put the material in a Petri dish, �ҰѲ��Ϸ���������� 226 00:17:32,819 --> 00:17:38,089 inside a desiccator, put a little vacuum, and bubbled in hydrogen chloride gas. ���ڸ������У���һЩ��գ��͹����Ȼ������塣 227 00:17:43,929 --> 00:17:47,965 Slowly but surely, the following morning, lo and behold, �������϶��أ����˵ڶ������ϣ��쿴�ţ� 228 00:17:47,967 --> 00:17:50,200 it was "Eureka!" ��ͽС����│���� �������׵�ϴ��ʱ������������ɣ������ù�ϣ����ߺ������ҵ��ˣ����� 229 00:17:50,636 --> 00:17:52,236 ("I Want to See the Light" by Rational Youth) [���������ֶӵġ����뿴��������] 230 00:17:56,976 --> 00:18:00,178 My first experience was really a moment of creation. �ҵĵ�һ�ξ����������һ�������ʱ�̡� 231 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:06,584 It was like the first substance that I had a really close relationship with. �����ҵ�һ�Σ����ܽӴ����������ʡ� 232 00:18:06,652 --> 00:18:08,953 It was very exciting. ��ʱ�ܼ����� 233 00:18:09,689 --> 00:18:14,425 He told me I needed to yield one gram,and one gram only. �������ң�����Ҫ������һ�ˣ����ң�ֻҪ��������һ�ˡ� 234 00:18:14,494 --> 00:18:21,866 So he took that one gram,and after it tested,then he told Michael Clegg. ����������һ�ˣ��������������������˶��������� 235 00:18:21,868 --> 00:18:25,937 - And she did it, and it was so pure and so beautiful. -�������ˣ���ô���࣬��ô������ 236 00:18:26,806 --> 00:18:29,807 Nothing like the ecstasy that's out there in the streets now. û��ʲô�ܱȵ��ϣ����ڴ���ϵ�ҡͷ���ˡ� 237 00:18:31,810 --> 00:18:37,648 - I had the pleasure of taking a bunch of Michael Clegg's ecstasy. -�Һܸ��˷���һ�����˶����������ҡͷ�衣 238 00:18:38,617 --> 00:18:43,521 And it was just as good as the atom ����ͬ�������ԭ������һ���ã� 239 00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:48,526 that was being made by people at MIT using therapeutic circles. ��������������ʡ�������ˣ�������������Ȧ�� 240 00:18:49,763 --> 00:18:51,429 We met at a conference. ��������һ�λ�������ʶ�ġ� 241 00:18:52,298 --> 00:18:58,702 And we did want to help him do what he was doing in as effective a way as possible. ����ȷʵ����������Ծ�������Ч�ķ�ʽ������������������顣 242 00:18:58,705 --> 00:19:03,707 You know, Sasha had written several-page documents to prepare people for MDMA. ��Ҫ֪������ɳд�˺ü�ҳ�����ģ�������׼����ʳҡͷ�衣 243 00:19:03,710 --> 00:19:09,947 So we tried to sort of share, here's the therapeutic way to get the best benefits out of it. �����������ŷ���������һ�����Ʒ��������Դ��л�����ĺô��� 244 00:19:09,949 --> 00:19:11,749 And we're like,you should hand this out. ����˵����Ӧ�ð��������ȥ�� 245 00:19:11,751 --> 00:19:15,689 There was one way in which Michael Clegg's ecstasy was better, ���˶����������ҡͷ�裬��һ�������ʤһ� 246 00:19:15,789 --> 00:19:19,990 in that it was in tablets rather than powder, �Ǿ�������Ƭ���������Ƿ�ĩ�� 247 00:19:19,993 --> 00:19:23,895 so that it was easier to have it look like a normal thing. �����͸���������������������һ����ͨ�Ķ����� 248 00:19:29,668 --> 00:19:34,705 - Today, we are gonna share something a little bit more exciting. -���죬����Ҫ����һЩ�������˷ܵĶ����� 249 00:19:35,842 --> 00:19:37,308 We're giving it away. ���ǽ�������ͳ�ȥ�� 250 00:19:37,376 --> 00:19:42,813 This is just giving it to friends and acquaintances in Dallas to get started. ��ֻ�ǰ�Ǯ���͸�����˹�����Ѻ����˵Ŀ�ʼ�� 251 00:19:43,517 --> 00:19:45,382 To new experiences. Ϊ���µ����顣 252 00:19:45,551 --> 00:19:51,856 I always had this image that instead of giving the Eucharist to people, I'm giving them ecstasy, ��һֱ�������������Ҳ��Ǹ�����ʥ�ͣ����Ǹ����ǿ�ϲ�� 253 00:19:51,924 --> 00:19:56,494 which is totally closer to God than some piece of bread. ���һƬ��������ӽ��ϵۡ� 254 00:19:58,431 --> 00:20:00,631 ("Talking In Your Sleep"by The Romantics) [�����ֶӵġ���������イ����] 255 00:20:08,308 --> 00:20:11,141 Ecstasy takes away all fear. ��ϲ���������еĿ־塣 256 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:16,547 People that didn't know that they knew how to dance all of a sudden were exploring. ��Щ��֪���Լ���������ˣ���ͻȻ��ʼ̽����Ҫ���ˡ� 257 00:20:33,099 --> 00:20:36,067 It didn't take very long and people were bringing their friends û����ã����Ǿʹ������ǵ��������ˣ� 258 00:20:36,135 --> 00:20:38,035 and their friends were bringing friends, ���ǵ�����Ҳ�����������ˣ� 259 00:20:39,005 --> 00:20:41,205 and pretty soon, I couldn't afford to give it away anymore. �ܿ죬�Ҿ͸������������������ˡ� 260 00:20:41,207 --> 00:20:43,741 I had to start charging for it. �Ҳ��ò���ʼ�շ��ˡ� 261 00:20:43,809 --> 00:20:45,743 (energetic music) [��������������] 262 00:20:49,449 --> 00:20:52,016 - Up in Mendocino, it's a small town. -���Ŷ���ŵ���Ǹ�С�� (�����������������������dz���) 263 00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:57,121 People pretty much knew I had a reputation as a pot smuggler. ��Ҷ�֪�������Ǹ������Ĵ�����˽���� ������.������ף������ߣ� 264 00:20:57,189 --> 00:20:58,756 A good reputation. ���������� 265 00:21:02,661 --> 00:21:06,464 I had plenty of money, I didn't need to work,so I retired. ���кܶ�Ǯ���Ҳ���Ҫ���������ԣ��Ҹɴ�������ˡ� 266 00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:13,203 You know, I basically played music and partied and had a grand time for seven years, ��֪�����һ������������֣��μ��ɶԣ���������ĺ����ӣ� 267 00:21:13,206 --> 00:21:15,506 but cocaine slipped into the picture. ���ɿ���ȴ������ҵ���� 268 00:21:16,309 --> 00:21:17,775 It got a hold of me pretty good. ����������ץס�ˡ� 269 00:21:17,843 --> 00:21:23,247 You know, I had a few times when... I didn't know if I was going to make it, it felt so bad. ��֪�������м���...�Ҳ�֪�����Լ��ܲ��ܳŹ�ȥ���о�̫���ˡ� 270 00:21:24,050 --> 00:21:29,386 So I knew I had a problem,and I tried to stop it a number of times. ���ԣ���֪���������⣬���Թ��ü��Σ�ֹͣ������ 271 00:21:29,389 --> 00:21:32,256 But I always managed to get back into it. ������������Ͷ�����С� 272 00:21:32,258 --> 00:21:34,158 ("Lay It on the Line" by Triumph) [�����ֶӵġ�ֱ���˵���] 273 00:21:42,468 --> 00:21:44,268 (doorbell chiming) [��������] 274 00:21:47,206 --> 00:21:48,873 One day, I get a knock on the door. ��һ�죬�������ҵ��š� 275 00:21:49,875 --> 00:21:56,147 And there's this fellow down there, I thought he was a salesman selling vacuum cleaners or something. �����и��һ����Ϊ���Ǹ�����Ա����������ʲô�ġ� 276 00:21:56,215 --> 00:22:00,251 But he was persistent,so I went down and talked to him. �����ܹ�ִ�������Ҿ�ȥ����̸�ˡ� 277 00:22:01,053 --> 00:22:07,158 I asked him what he wanted, and he said he wanted to introduce me to a new drug. ��������Ҫʲô����˵������ҽ���һ�֡���ҩ���� 278 00:22:07,226 --> 00:22:11,228 It's the last thing I wanted,to get involved in the drug business. ��������������£����붾Ʒ���ס� 279 00:22:11,230 --> 00:22:12,429 I'm not interested, buddy. ��û��Ȥ����ơ� 280 00:22:12,432 --> 00:22:14,365 Michael Clegg was an interesting guy. ���˶����������Ǹ���Ȥ���ˡ� 281 00:22:14,433 --> 00:22:20,404 When I first met him, he really had his heart and soul into the good that it would bring to people. ���ҵ�һ�μ�������ʱ�������ȫ���ĵ�Ͷ�뵽����Ϊ���Ǵ����ô�����ҵ�С� 282 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:22,606 - These things, they... -��Щ����������... 283 00:22:22,776 --> 00:22:24,808 They can change your life, man. ���ǿ��Ըı���������ơ� 284 00:22:24,811 --> 00:22:26,510 Call me. ���Ҵ�绰�� 285 00:22:26,579 --> 00:22:29,680 - He gave me a bunch of literature on MDMA. ��������һ�ѹ���ҡͷ��������ᡣ 286 00:22:29,749 --> 00:22:33,017 And over a period of about a month, I read all of it. �ڴ�Լһ���µ�ʱ����Ҷ��������еIJ��ӡ� 287 00:22:33,085 --> 00:22:36,220 He said, well,can we talk some more? ��˵����������̸̸�� 288 00:22:36,288 --> 00:22:37,955 And I said, sure,come on over to my house. ��˵����Ȼ�����ҼҰɡ� 289 00:22:42,662 --> 00:22:46,564 - Just relax and let the music guide you. -���ɣ�������ָ���㡣 290 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,402 - So that evening, he brought his wife, Paulina, -�����������ϣ������������ӱ����ȴ������� 291 00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:55,639 over, and the two of them sat down and said, ������������˵�� 292 00:22:55,707 --> 00:22:59,209 you know, we'd like to share it with you, ��֪��������������������� 293 00:22:59,212 --> 00:23:03,314 because we think this will probably help you with your cocaine issue. ��Ϊ������Ϊ������ܻ���������ɿ������⡣ 294 00:23:04,016 --> 00:23:06,384 MDMA was legal. ҡͷ������ʱ���ǺϷ��ġ� 295 00:23:06,452 --> 00:23:08,352 It was brand new, really. ����ȫ�µģ���ġ� 296 00:23:08,354 --> 00:23:10,521 There was no laws against it. û�з��ɽ�ֹ�������� 297 00:23:10,589 --> 00:23:13,691 So I said, OK, let me try it. ������˵���ðɣ��������ԡ� 298 00:23:15,628 --> 00:23:21,699 He put on a tape by Deuter called Ecstasy,and it was just unbelievable. ������һ�̣������ݳ��ĽС���ϲ���ĴŴ�����ֱ�������š� 299 00:23:21,767 --> 00:23:25,536 I love all types of music,but this just got me. ��ϲ���������͵����֣������׸�����ҡ� 300 00:23:28,574 --> 00:23:30,741 And all of a sudden,the music came on, ͻȻ�������������ˣ� 301 00:23:31,543 --> 00:23:33,978 and it almost lifted me out of my couch. ���������Ҵ�ɳ���ϣ�̧�������� 302 00:23:34,046 --> 00:23:37,014 I felt like I was levitating.I felt so good. �Ҹо��Լ���Ư�����Ҹо��ü��ˡ� 303 00:23:41,587 --> 00:23:43,721 It was like a heavenly experience. �����һ�����ð�ľ����� 304 00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:45,423 It was just unbelievable. �����������š� 305 00:23:46,158 --> 00:23:52,396 This angst I had in me that I'd carried for seven years ���ֽ��ǣ������������������� 306 00:23:53,065 --> 00:23:56,266 just kind of evaporated. ͻȻ��ʧ�ˡ� 307 00:23:56,269 --> 00:23:57,935 It was amazing. ��̫�����ˡ� 308 00:23:58,003 --> 00:24:04,608 And I thought,wow, why in the world would you ever do coke when you have something like this? �Ҿ��룬�ۣ���Ȼ�������ֶ�������Ϊʲô��Ҫ���ɿ����أ� 309 00:24:05,211 --> 00:24:10,948 It was many, many, many years ago, and I've never touched coke or thought about it. ���Ǻܶࡢ�ܶࡢ�ܶ���ǰ�����ˣ��Ҵ���û�������ɿ���Ҳû��������� 310 00:24:11,517 --> 00:24:13,116 That was it. ���������� 311 00:24:13,185 --> 00:24:14,551 One shot and that was over. һ�λ��ᣬ�ͽ����ˡ� 312 00:24:14,554 --> 00:24:16,921 Just absolutely amazing. ����̫�����ˡ� 313 00:24:18,824 --> 00:24:25,763 I'll be forever grateful that he came to my place and let me have that opportunity. �ҽ���Զ�м��������ҵ�ס����������������ᡣ 314 00:24:29,368 --> 00:24:32,536 I just...I can't. ��ֻ��...�Ҳ��ܡ� 315 00:24:32,604 --> 00:24:34,238 (stammering) [���Ͱ͵�] 316 00:24:34,306 --> 00:24:35,840 - Oh my God, we know. -Ŷ���ҵ��ϵۣ�����֪���ˡ� 317 00:24:35,908 --> 00:24:37,374 - What do you call this stuff? -�ⶫ����ʲô�� 318 00:24:37,442 --> 00:24:38,742 - It's therapy. -�������ơ� 319 00:24:38,744 --> 00:24:42,446 - I told Michael, you know,that album you gave me, -�Ҹ����˶�˵������ҵ�����ר���� 320 00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:47,718 uh, named Ecstasy,that's absolutely the perfect name. ���ֽС�ҡͷ�����������̫�����ˡ� 321 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,253 Ecstasy. ҡͷ�衣 322 00:24:50,323 --> 00:24:52,323 That's what it is. ������ʵ�� 323 00:24:54,326 --> 00:24:57,895 - The experience is pure ecstasy. -�������飬�Ǵ���Ŀ�ϲ�� 324 00:24:57,897 --> 00:24:59,830 So why not call it ecstasy? ��Ϊʲô��������ϲ�أ� 325 00:24:59,899 --> 00:25:02,867 - That's how it went down,and it stuck. -�������������չ�ģ�����һֱ������ȥ�� 326 00:25:06,405 --> 00:25:07,638 - Here comes Howard again. -�����������ˡ� 327 00:25:07,706 --> 00:25:08,906 We're scaling up. �������������ģ�� 328 00:25:08,908 --> 00:25:10,574 Would you like to continue? ��Ҫ������ 329 00:25:10,642 --> 00:25:15,112 I said, well, yes,I just have to be paid more,just a little more. ��˵���ðɣ����ԣ���ֻҪ����һ������꣬�����ˡ� 330 00:25:15,114 --> 00:25:16,413 And I agreed. �������Ҿ�ͬ���ˡ� 331 00:25:16,481 --> 00:25:19,383 And that was the first time I met Michael Clegg. �����ҵ�һ�μ������˶��������� 332 00:25:21,153 --> 00:25:23,687 Michael Clegg was very casual at that time. ���˶���������ʱ�����⡣ 333 00:25:23,756 --> 00:25:26,290 I mean, he was easy to be with. ����˵�����ܺ��ദ�� 334 00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:30,460 I mean, he stated what he needed, and...and then he left. ����˵����˵������Ҫʲô��Ȼ��...Ȼ�������뿪�ˡ� 335 00:25:30,463 --> 00:25:33,297 All right, let's get started,shall we? ���ˣ����ǿ�ʼ�ɣ� 336 00:25:33,299 --> 00:25:40,103 The Drisura boys were seminarians with Michael Clegg, and they all left ���������ҵ��к��Ƕ������˶������������ѧԺѧ�������Ƕ��뿪ѧУ 337 00:25:40,106 --> 00:25:42,639 to pursue civilian life. ȥ׷��ƽ������������ˡ� 338 00:25:42,642 --> 00:25:47,711 But upscaling from one gram to 100,it's much more complex. ����1�����ӵ�100�ˣ��͸��Ӷ��ˡ� 339 00:25:49,581 --> 00:25:51,382 - Yeah, we understand. - We got it, yeah. -�ǵģ��������⡣ -����֪���ˣ��ǵġ� 340 00:25:52,751 --> 00:25:54,218 (pop music) [��������] 341 00:25:56,254 --> 00:25:59,990 - The goal was to get the Drisura boys up and running. -���ǵ�Ŀ�����õ��������ҵ��ֵ��ǣ������������� 342 00:26:00,058 --> 00:26:02,660 They knew nothing about chemistry. ���ǶԻ�ѧһ�ϲ�ͨ�� 343 00:26:02,695 --> 00:26:06,129 How do I teach this layperson how to handle chemicals? ����ν�������У���δ�����ѧƷ�� 344 00:26:06,132 --> 00:26:08,398 It was pretty demanding. ���Ҫ�����൱���̵ġ� 345 00:26:08,401 --> 00:26:13,871 It took us probably two to three weeks to get to the end result. ���Ǵ�Ż����������ܵ�ʱ�䣬�ŵõ����յĽ���� 346 00:26:17,876 --> 00:26:22,012 - My distribution points were basically Dallas and some friends in California. -�ҵ����۵㣬�������Ǵ���˹�ͼ��ݵ�һЩ���ѡ� 347 00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:26,250 And that was it.That was the beginning. ��������������ǿ�ʼ�� 348 00:26:26,318 --> 00:26:27,818 - Ecstasy. -ҡͷ�衣 349 00:26:27,886 --> 00:26:30,187 That's what we're calling it, boys. ���Ǿ�����ô�����ģ������ǡ� 350 00:26:30,255 --> 00:26:32,156 And it's perfectly legal. ������ȫ�Ϸ��ġ� 351 00:26:32,224 --> 00:26:36,560 When I started selling MDMA,I had a purpose in life. ���ҿ�ʼ��ҡͷ��ʱ������������Ŀ�ꡣ 352 00:26:36,562 --> 00:26:41,898 There was millions of people in the US that were strung out on coke. ���������������ˣ���ʳ�ɿ��� 353 00:26:41,967 --> 00:26:47,271 And I thought this would be a wonderful way to get them off of that. ����Ϊ�⽫��һ���ܺõķ�ʽ�����������ǡ� 354 00:26:47,339 --> 00:26:50,907 The next day, everybody was back wanting more. �ڶ��죬ÿ���˶������ˣ���Ҫ���ࡣ 355 00:26:50,910 --> 00:26:54,678 I'm going to need another 5,000 more at least to start. �����ٻ���Ҫ5000��Ԫ�����ܿ�ʼ�� 356 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,714 - Whatever you need, you got it. -��������Ҫʲô���Ҷ����㡣 357 00:26:57,850 --> 00:26:59,349 - So off we went to the races. -���ԣ����ǿ�ʼ�˾����� 358 00:26:59,352 --> 00:27:01,185 (energetic music) [���е�����] 359 00:27:06,125 --> 00:27:12,529 I was driving back and forth and picking up 20,000, 30,000, 50,000. �ҿ��ų������ػأ��ջ��������������� 360 00:27:12,531 --> 00:27:17,234 I went from zero production to 50,000 in a couple months. �ҵIJ����ڼ������ڣ�����������5�� 361 00:27:17,236 --> 00:27:20,270 Sales were going extremely fas. ���۽�չ�÷dz��졣 362 00:27:21,907 --> 00:27:24,641 We were selling a million dollars a month. ����ÿ���£�������100����Ԫ�� 363 00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:28,445 And most of the buyers were bartenders. �������ң����ǵ���ʦ�� 364 00:27:28,447 --> 00:27:30,748 (pop music) [��������] 365 00:27:30,948 --> 00:27:34,748 ��1984�꣬����˹��˹����ҹ�ܻᣩ 366 00:27:42,994 --> 00:27:46,563 - Handling the money was the hardest part of the whole project. -�����ʽ���������Ŀ�У����ѵIJ��֡� 367 00:27:46,565 --> 00:27:48,632 What do you do with all that cash? �����ô������Щ�ֽ� 368 00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:54,838 I had more money than God at that time. ��ʱ�ҵ�Ǯ�����ϵۻ��ࡣ 369 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,174 I could buy anything I want. �ҿ������κΣ�����Ҫ�Ķ����� 370 00:27:57,242 --> 00:27:58,609 Planes, boats, real estate. �ɻ����������ز��� 371 00:27:59,912 --> 00:28:01,745 (pop music) [��������] 372 00:28:04,583 --> 00:28:09,186 Pauline was not only a great wife and companion, but she was a tremendous businesswoman. ���ղ�����һλΰ������ӺͰ��£�����һλ�˲����Ů���ˡ� 373 00:28:09,254 --> 00:28:11,121 Oh, my God. Ŷ���ҵ��ϵۡ� 374 00:28:11,123 --> 00:28:13,524 She handled the money,and I handled the product. ������Ǯ���Ҹ����Ʒ�� 375 00:28:18,664 --> 00:28:23,166 - I handed him a lot of money,and he talked too much about the money. -�Ҹ������ܶ�Ǯ����ȴ�ੲ��ݵ�̸��Ǯ�� 376 00:28:23,169 --> 00:28:24,868 You got to keep your money ��ð����Ǯ 377 00:28:25,571 --> 00:28:27,437 to yourself for a while. �Լ�����������һ��ʱ�䡣 378 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,140 Put it someplace that nobody can find it. ��������û�����ҵ��ĵط��� 379 00:28:30,142 --> 00:28:32,076 - I was converting cash into gold, -�Ұ��ֽ�һ��ɻƽ� 380 00:28:32,812 --> 00:28:34,378 and I had to store the gold somewhere. �ұ���ѻƽ�����ij���ط��� 381 00:28:35,815 --> 00:28:39,249 I buried a lot of gold under the doghouse. ���ڹ������棬���˺ܶ���ӡ� 382 00:28:40,152 --> 00:28:42,953 I bought some property near Vancouver �����¸绪��������Щ�ز��� 383 00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:45,856 and buried a lot of gold up there. ��������˺ܶ���ӡ� 384 00:28:45,858 --> 00:28:48,225 And that gold is still there.I don't know where it's at. ��Щ�ƽ�������Ҳ�֪��������� 385 00:28:49,428 --> 00:28:52,296 There's millions of dollars of gold up in Vancouver somewhere. �¸绪ij�����м�ֵ��������Ԫ�Ļƽ� 386 00:28:57,369 --> 00:29:02,740 - We all know that Edgar Cayce was the most renowned medium and psychic of our time. -���Ƕ�֪�������¼ӡ��������������ʱ������������ý��ͨ���ߡ� 387 00:29:02,808 --> 00:29:05,876 Peter Weber is said to be the next Edgar Cayce. �˵á�Τ����˵����һ�����¼ӡ������� 388 00:29:06,979 --> 00:29:11,381 In his channeling, he is known to call upon an entity named Ross Peterson. ������ͨ���У������ٻ�һ�����С���˹���˵�ɭ���Ķ�������ʵ�塣 389 00:29:11,449 --> 00:29:15,218 Ross Peterson is actually Peter Weber's higher self. ��˹���˵�ɭʵ�����DZ˵á�Τ���ĸ߼������ҡ��� 390 00:29:15,221 --> 00:29:17,954 Tell the audience at home about your spiritual journey. �����ڼ���������Ŀ�����ڣ���ľ���֮�á� 391 00:29:18,023 --> 00:29:19,923 - You know, when Michael got into a haze, -��֪���𣬵����˶��������ʱ�� 392 00:29:19,992 --> 00:29:27,497 we hired these psychics to help him make a decision or help him give sight to what's going on. ���ǹ�����Щ��ý�����������������߰������壬������ʲô�� 393 00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:29,733 - What is it like being a clairvoyant? -����Ԥ֪δ��������ʲô�о��� 394 00:29:29,735 --> 00:29:33,236 - It wasn't by choice.I was born this way. -�ⲻ���ҵ�ѡ������������������ 395 00:29:33,239 --> 00:29:35,072 - Paulina, that's him. That's the guy. -�����ȣ���������������һ 396 00:29:35,140 --> 00:29:37,141 - What guy? - From the book, Peter Weber. -���Ǹ�ʲô�һ -���������е��Ǹ����˵á�Τ���� 397 00:29:37,876 --> 00:29:39,342 - Peter Weber? -�˵�.Τ���� 398 00:29:39,345 --> 00:29:41,178 He's the clairvoyant I was telling you about. �������Ҹ���˵���ģ��Ǹ�����Ԥ֪δ�������ˡ� 399 00:29:44,349 --> 00:29:49,753 Gentlemen of the Texas Group,as we all know, we are on the cusp of an evolution. ���¿���˹���š��������ǣ����Ƕ�֪�������������ڱ��ķ���˼⡣ 400 00:29:50,189 --> 00:29:53,857 Our product is the key to the human soul. ���ǵIJ�Ʒ���ǿ�����������Կ�ס� 401 00:29:53,859 --> 00:29:57,294 But today, I wanted to introduce you to my new... ���ǽ��죬������������ҵ��µġ� 402 00:29:57,362 --> 00:30:00,030 spiritual business advisor, �ڽ�ҵ����ʣ� 403 00:30:00,032 --> 00:30:01,331 Peter Weber. �˵á�Τ���� 404 00:30:01,399 --> 00:30:02,633 Peter! �˵ã� 405 00:30:02,701 --> 00:30:04,935 (upbeat music) [���������] 406 00:30:14,246 --> 00:30:15,912 - Drugs are menacing our society. -��Ʒ��в�����ǵ���ᡣ 407 00:30:15,915 --> 00:30:19,783 They're threatening our values and undercutting our institutions. ����������в���ǵļ�ֵ�ۣ��������ǵ��ƶȡ� 408 00:30:20,452 --> 00:30:24,588 - This was the time of Nancy Reagan and Ronald Reagan and the escalation of the drug war. -������ϣ����������ɵ¡����ִ����ʱ�ڣ�Ҳ�Ƕ�Ʒս��������ʱ�ڡ� 409 00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:28,091 It was clearly doomed.It was going to be criminalized. ����Ȼ��ע��Ҫʧ�ܵġ��⽫����Ϊ���� 410 00:30:28,093 --> 00:30:32,095 - Say no to drugs and say yes to life. -�Զ�Ʒ˵����Ҫ����������˵���ǵġ� 411 00:30:32,097 --> 00:30:37,668 - I knew the DEA would be interested in something earth-shattering as this would be. -��֪�������𣬻���������춯�ص��£�����Ȥ�� 412 00:30:37,736 --> 00:30:42,138 I could see this overtaking marijuana and cocaine overnight, �ҿ���Ԥ����������һҹ֮�䣬��Խ����Ϳɿ��� 413 00:30:42,141 --> 00:30:46,243 because it's so much better,so much, at every level. ��Ϊ���ڸ��������ϣ���Ҫ�õö̫࣬���ˡ� 414 00:30:46,245 --> 00:30:47,811 - But we were concerned -�����ǵ��ĵ��ǣ� 415 00:30:47,813 --> 00:30:57,287 that what was going to happen was the more public use of ecstasy was going to end up criminalizing the therapeutic use. Խ��Խ��Ĺ���ʹ��ҡͷ�裬���ջὫ������ʹ�ã���Ϊ��� 416 00:30:59,026 --> 00:31:04,695 Michael Clegg had an 800 number.You could dial 1-800-ECSTASY ���˶���������ĵ绰������800������Բ���1-800-ҡͷ�� 417 00:31:04,763 --> 00:31:07,898 and buy as much as you wanted on your credit card. ��������ÿ���������پ�����١� 418 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:13,203 Sasha said, you know, please,you know, maybe you and Debby can go up there and talk to this guy, ��ɳ˵����֪���������ˣ�Ҳ�������ȿ���ȥ����������̸̸�� 419 00:31:13,205 --> 00:31:18,275 because he was ramping up his machine, you know, producing more and more and more. ��Ϊ�������������Ļ���������Խ��Խ���ˡ� 420 00:31:18,343 --> 00:31:23,947 This was going to explode because what we were afraid of is that we would be pushed into emergency scheduling. �⽫�ᱬը����Ϊ���Ǻ��µ��ǣ����ǻᱻ�Ƚ��롰�������ơ����� 421 00:31:24,015 --> 00:31:26,850 And if that happened,then we would have no time ��������Ļ������Ǿ������� 422 00:31:26,852 --> 00:31:29,552 to build our case,we would have no time ׼�����ǵ��۾ݣ�Ҳ������ 423 00:31:29,621 --> 00:31:34,124 to produce the research papers and things that could support the case for MDMA. �ó��ܹ�֧��MDMA��ҡͷ�裩�Ϸ������о����ĺ��������ϡ� 424 00:31:34,192 --> 00:31:37,994 So I asked Rick Doblin,would you come with me? And he said yes. ���ԣ�������ˡ��಼�֣���Ը�����һ��ȥ�� ����˵�����ԡ� 425 00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:41,564 - So, the scheduling of drugs is done not by the FDA, -���ԣ����ֶ�ҩ��ġ����ư��š�������������ʳƷҽҩ�������ƶ��ģ� 426 00:31:41,633 --> 00:31:44,200 but by the Drug Enforcement Administration. �����������������ƶ��ġ� 427 00:31:44,203 --> 00:31:50,707 Schedule 1 is for drugs that have a high potential for abuse, no currently accepted medical use. ����һ����ơ��������Щ���п��ܱ����õ�ҩ���Ŀǰû�б����ܵ�ҽ���÷��� 428 00:31:50,775 --> 00:31:53,176 Heroin is in Schedule 1. ���������ڵ�һ����ơ� 429 00:31:55,347 --> 00:31:58,048 - We arrive at this big,beautiful home. -����������������ִ���Ư���ļҡ� 430 00:31:58,116 --> 00:31:59,449 You know, it's just gorgeous. ��֪������̫Ư���ˡ� 431 00:31:59,517 --> 00:32:01,952 Looks like something out of Architectural Digest. ���������ǡ�������ժ�������Ʒ�� 432 00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:04,120 He opens the door. �����˴��š� 433 00:32:04,123 --> 00:32:06,923 He was pleasant looking, kind of a cherubic face, you know. �����ú�����ϲ������һ���������� 434 00:32:06,926 --> 00:32:08,558 - You like the champagne? -����ϲ�������� 435 00:32:09,828 --> 00:32:11,094 - Very good. Thank you. -�ܺá�лл�㣡 436 00:32:11,096 --> 00:32:14,164 What we were saying is,could you keep this a little bit more quiet? ������ʱҪ˵���ǣ����ܲ��ܰѲ�������һЩ�� 437 00:32:14,232 --> 00:32:15,899 And he wasn't willing to do that. ������Ը����ô���� 438 00:32:15,901 --> 00:32:18,235 - MDMA isn't just a drug. -���Ǽ׻�˫����������ҡͷ�裩��ֻ��һ��ҩ� 439 00:32:19,104 --> 00:32:23,106 It's a tool.I'm not just selling a high.I'm elevating consciousness. ����һ�ֹ��ߡ��Ҳ�ֻ���ڳ��ۿ�С�����������ʶ�� 440 00:32:23,675 --> 00:32:30,547 I want everyone to experience it, not just the people who can afford your retreats. ��ϣ��ÿ���˶�����������������������Щ����������ȥ�����Ƕ����޵��ˡ� 441 00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:34,484 - You're putting a target on everyone's back. -�����ڰ�ÿ���ˣ��������ˡ����ӡ��� 442 00:32:34,486 --> 00:32:36,152 - Michael seemed kind of slick. - ���˶��������е㻬ͷ�� 443 00:32:36,155 --> 00:32:40,657 He seemed kind of,you know, interested in making lots of money. ��֪�������ƺ���׬��Ǯ���ܸ���Ȥ�� 444 00:32:40,659 --> 00:32:47,931 He didn't really care that what they were doing was going to criminalize the therapeutic use. �������ں������ǵ��������Ƿ�Ὣ��������ҩ����Ϊ��� 445 00:32:47,933 --> 00:32:53,203 But he also did have this messianic kind of, let's spread MDMA to the world. ����Ҳ��һ�־���������뷨�������ǰ�ҡͷ�裬������ȫ���硣 446 00:32:53,271 --> 00:32:54,805 - It's not illegal! -���ֲ�Υ���� 447 00:32:56,308 --> 00:32:58,842 I've cured people of addictions. ���κ������ǵĶ�񫡣 448 00:32:58,844 --> 00:33:01,444 I've opened hearts.I've opened minds. �ҳ��������顣�Ҵ���˼·�� 449 00:33:01,447 --> 00:33:04,514 What do you think I am,a street pusher? ����Ϊ����ʲô����ͷС���� 450 00:33:05,952 --> 00:33:09,819 I was trying to get it blasted out there, yeah. �ҵ�ʱ�������Щ��룬ͳͳ����ը������û���� 451 00:33:09,888 --> 00:33:11,521 (laughing) [Ц��] 452 00:33:11,589 --> 00:33:14,257 The last thing I was trying to do was hide it. �ҵ�ʱ������ģ�����͵͵�������¡� 453 00:33:14,793 --> 00:33:16,793 - We went back and forth for many, many hours. -���Ƿ�����ȥ�����˺ü���Сʱ�� 454 00:33:16,795 --> 00:33:19,329 He finally just said, frankly, Debby, �����˵����ʵ˵����ȣ� 455 00:33:20,131 --> 00:33:23,533 if it goes illegal,I'll just make more money. ������÷Ƿ����һ���׬�������Ǯ�� 456 00:33:24,102 --> 00:33:26,336 And I went, OK. ��˵���ðɡ� 457 00:33:26,338 --> 00:33:30,373 I mean, I was almost grateful because I felt like, OK, at least he's being honest. ����˵���Ҽ�����ͦ���������ģ���Ϊ�Ҿ��ã������룬���dz�ʵ�ġ� 458 00:33:30,376 --> 00:33:31,975 That's his bottom line. �������ĵ��ߡ� 459 00:33:31,977 --> 00:33:33,877 That's where his value is. ��������ļ�ֵ���ڡ� 460 00:33:34,813 --> 00:33:36,380 - So my approach to Michael was, -���ԣ��ҵ�ʱ�����˶���̬���ǣ� 461 00:33:36,448 --> 00:33:37,748 we would like you ����ϣ���� 462 00:33:37,816 --> 00:33:43,319 to make a donation to us to help fight the criminalization that you are causing. �ܸ����Ǿ��������ǡ��Կ�������ɵķ�� 463 00:33:43,322 --> 00:33:46,856 It will make it so that it will stay legal longer for you. �����������ڸ�����ʱ���ڣ����ֺϷ��� 464 00:33:46,859 --> 00:33:53,129 And it will also enable us to raise resources to go and to fight the DEA. ��Ҳ��ʹ�����ܹ����O��Դȥ�Կ�����������DEA���� 465 00:33:53,198 --> 00:33:54,798 - How would you like 20,000 pills? -����Ҫ2��Ƭ�� 466 00:33:54,866 --> 00:33:57,868 I just remember loving Ric from the first time I met him. ��ֻ�ǵã��ҵ�һ�μ������ʱ����ϲ�������ˡ� 467 00:33:58,937 --> 00:34:01,704 And really understanding his cause. ��������������������ҵ�� 468 00:34:01,707 --> 00:34:08,711 - The optics, I said,it will look like we were just a front for the biggest drug manufacturer in the country. -���ӱ����Ͽ�������˵����������˾��ã�����ֻ�ǹ��������ƶ��ߵ��ڻ����� 469 00:34:08,714 --> 00:34:14,051 This was a major point of difference between Rick and myself. ������˺���֮���һ����Ҫ��ͬ�㡣 470 00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:17,087 - 20,000 and we'll figure out the rest. -����Ƭ��ʣ�µ��������㡣 471 00:34:17,155 --> 00:34:21,391 Didn't even matter,because it was like confetti,you know. ��Щ������Ҫ����Ϊ����������������ֽмһ���� 472 00:34:22,194 --> 00:34:23,894 - Michael, on the one hand, -��һ���潲�����˶��� 473 00:34:25,263 --> 00:34:32,635 was the key person responsible for the criminalization of MDMA ecstasy, �ǽ�ҡͷ��(MDMA)����Ĺؼ���� 474 00:34:32,638 --> 00:34:38,374 but through the donation of a tiny fraction of the amount of MDMA ������ͨ�������͵�һС����ҡͷ�裨MDMA���� 475 00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:44,081 that he was making, enabled us to get the information that we needed, the data that we needed ʹ�����ܹ������������Ҫ����Ϣ��������Ҫ�����ݣ� 476 00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:46,149 to start the whole process of medicalizing MDMA. ������������MDMA������ҽ�ƻ����������̡� 477 00:34:46,218 --> 00:34:48,085 (energetic music) [��������������] 478 00:34:53,791 --> 00:34:58,795 We knew that the DEA was going to come for us because they knew about ecstas. ����֪����������������ǣ���Ϊ����֪������ҡͷ����¶��� 479 00:34:58,864 --> 00:35:03,633 But we also knew that the DEA didn't know about the therapeutic use. ������Ҳ֪��������������֪���ģ���������������;�� 480 00:35:03,635 --> 00:35:05,902 And so that gave us this opportunity ���ԣ����������������� 481 00:35:05,904 --> 00:35:09,272 to share MDMA with a lot of different people ��ܶ಻ͬ���˷���MDMA�� 482 00:35:09,340 --> 00:35:11,608 who would not have done it if it was illegal. ������ǷǷ��ģ����ǾͲ�����ô���ˡ� 483 00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:17,213 We tried to cede it to different people who would speak out in the media to protect MDMA. ������ͼ�������벻ͬ���ˣ����ǻ���ý���ϴ�������������MDMA�� 484 00:35:17,282 --> 00:35:20,650 Rabbi Zalman Schachter,who was kind of a Jewish mystic, ��������ɳ�������ȣ�����һ����̫���������ߣ� 485 00:35:20,652 --> 00:35:26,857 several different leaders of the Zen community around the world and other Catholic mystics, ���������������ļ�λ��ͬ���䣬�Լ��������������������ߣ� 486 00:35:26,925 --> 00:35:32,162 and these various people then took MDMA and then reported back what their experience was. ��Щ��ͬ���˷�����ҡͷ�裬Ȼ�󱨸������ǵľ����� 487 00:35:32,734 --> 00:35:35,234 (�����������ݣ�Ŧ���غ���) 488 00:35:35,334 --> 00:35:42,873 - I managed to make a connectin with a fellow that was one of the biggest coke dealers in the country. -���跨��һ���һィ������ϵ������ȫ�����Ŀɿ�������֮һ�� 489 00:35:42,941 --> 00:35:44,974 His nickname was The Devil. ��ɫ�ºŽС�ħ������ 490 00:35:44,977 --> 00:35:48,845 I thought, now here's a great opportunity. �ҵ�ʱ��Ϊ�����Ǹ��û��ᡣ������.������ף������ߣ� 491 00:35:48,913 --> 00:35:52,148 I wonder if I can turn him on,if I can get him turned on, ����֪�������ܲ��������˷�������������������˷������� 492 00:35:52,217 --> 00:35:57,320 maybe he can switch all these people that are buying his cocaine. Ҳ�������������������ɿ�����ˣ������˷������� 493 00:35:57,322 --> 00:36:01,324 So I flew down to Newport and had a meeting with him. �����ҷɵ�Ŧ���أ����������档 494 00:36:01,393 --> 00:36:06,396 And it was difficult at first,because I told him I had a new drug. һ��ʼ�����ѣ���Ϊ�Ҹ���������һ����ҩ�� 495 00:36:06,398 --> 00:36:09,199 But I finally got him to try some. �������ڣ���������һ�ڡ� 496 00:36:09,201 --> 00:36:11,201 He said, ��˵�� 497 00:36:11,203 --> 00:36:12,669 This has really lit me up. ��������Һ��˷ܡ� 498 00:36:12,671 --> 00:36:14,404 This is the best thing that's ever happened. ���Ƿ������ģ���õ����顣 499 00:36:14,472 --> 00:36:15,805 I just can't believe how wonderful. �Ҽ�ֱ�������ţ�������ô���� 500 00:36:15,807 --> 00:36:18,141 This is going to change the world overnight. �⽫��һҹ֮�䣬�ı����硣 501 00:36:20,345 --> 00:36:22,879 We shake hands,that's the deal. �������֣����״�ɡ� 502 00:36:22,881 --> 00:36:25,014 (laughing) [Ц��] 503 00:36:25,083 --> 00:36:29,886 Initially, Michael was very authentic with his love for the effects. ��������˶��dz���ϵر����ˣ����ԡ���Ч�����Ȱ��� 504 00:36:29,888 --> 00:36:32,021 - Baby! -������ 505 00:36:32,024 --> 00:36:33,890 - But then it turned. -����󣬾�����ת���ˡ� 506 00:36:33,892 --> 00:36:38,061 It turned rather quick when it got into the large production. ����������ģ����ʱ������չ���൱�졣 507 00:36:38,063 --> 00:36:42,899 By this time,I was starting to see this avarice in his eyes, ��ʱ���ҿ�ʼ���������е�̰���� 508 00:36:42,901 --> 00:36:45,268 the way he would take the money and just... ����Ǯ������... 509 00:36:45,671 --> 00:36:48,037 act like it was Play-Doh. ���������ֶ�һ���� ���׶����ֹ����������������� 510 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,541 His eyes would glaze over,and also Paulina, too. �����۾�����ͣ�������Ҳһ���� 511 00:36:54,246 --> 00:36:57,780 Their attitudes showed through, you know. ��֪�������ǵ�̬�ȱ��ֳ����ˡ� 512 00:36:57,849 --> 00:36:59,115 But I said, ����˵�� 513 00:36:59,184 --> 00:37:00,683 now we're talking with the big guys now. ���ڣ�����Ҫ�ʹ����ǶԻ��ˡ� 514 00:37:00,686 --> 00:37:03,720 - Bob, it's no problem, baby. -���������ģ������� 515 00:37:03,722 --> 00:37:05,622 Relax. û�µġ� 516 00:37:07,458 --> 00:37:11,761 - And then The Devil would fly up and bring over the mone, and there was nothing. -Ȼ��ħ�����ͻ������������Ǯ���ˣ���ʲôҲû�С� 517 00:37:11,763 --> 00:37:13,530 Michael didn't show up. ���˶�û��¶�档 518 00:37:25,877 --> 00:37:27,611 So I drove over to his place, ���ԣ��ҿ���ȥ�����ң� 519 00:37:28,947 --> 00:37:32,415 knocked on the door and said,Where are you, you know? ���Ž�ȥ����˵������Ķ��ˣ���֪���� 520 00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:38,421 I got the biggest coke dealer in the country getting ready to switch over to ecstasy. ȫ�����Ŀɿ����ӣ���׼��תͶҡͷ���ˡ� 521 00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:40,757 He loves it. His people love it. ����ϲ������������˺�ϲ������� 522 00:37:40,825 --> 00:37:43,393 And he ordered a million and you said you could do it. ������һ����Ƭ����˵���������� 523 00:37:43,395 --> 00:37:45,328 He's sitting there waiting with the money. ������Ǯ������������š� 524 00:37:45,797 --> 00:37:47,096 Where's the stuff? ���أ� 525 00:37:47,099 --> 00:37:49,466 (energetic music) [��������������] 526 00:37:53,204 --> 00:37:54,504 - That's it. -����Щ�ˡ� 527 00:37:54,572 --> 00:37:56,639 - I said a million.This isn't even half. -��˵����һ����Ƭ���⻹����һ�롣 528 00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:59,342 (beeping) - That's my meditation bell. [������] -�����ҵ�ڤ����ʾ������ 529 00:38:02,447 --> 00:38:04,914 - In the cocaine business, -�ڡ��ɿ��򡱺ڵ��ϣ� 530 00:38:04,916 --> 00:38:09,986 you can't say,I'm gonna do something and then don't do it. �㲻��˵���Ҵ�Ӧ��ij���£�Ȼ������������ 531 00:38:09,988 --> 00:38:13,656 It's a chain reaction of people who get in serious trouble. ������Щ���ϴ��鷳���˵�������Ӧ�� 532 00:38:13,659 --> 00:38:18,495 We're switching businesses from cocaine to MDMA, �������ڰ����⣬�ӿɿ���ת��ҡͷ�裬 533 00:38:18,897 --> 00:38:20,497 which is wonderful, ��Ϊ�����ܺã� 534 00:38:21,132 --> 00:38:26,669 but the business connections that they had were serious people. �������ǽ��������������ˣ���������������ˡ� 535 00:38:26,672 --> 00:38:30,006 It wasn't a loving,hugging group of people. �ǿɲ���һȺ����������ӵ�����ˡ� 536 00:38:30,742 --> 00:38:32,809 The Devil was angry. ��ħ������ʱ�������� 537 00:38:32,877 --> 00:38:35,278 There was a chain reaction of fury. ����Ƿ�ŭ�ġ�������Ӧ���� 538 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,247 And this... ������... 539 00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:39,783 caused me a lot of grief. ���Ҵ����˺ܶ�ʹ�ࡣ 540 00:38:42,654 --> 00:38:47,090 So I realized I couldn't depend on Michael anymore. ���ԣ�����ʶ���ˣ��Ҳ������������˶��ˡ� 541 00:38:55,634 --> 00:39:02,638 I later found out that he had made a connection with the Bhagwan's people up in Oregon, �����ҷ��֣����˶��Ͷ��ո��ݵġ��͹ذ���ˣ� 542 00:39:02,641 --> 00:39:06,709 the Rajneeshees, and had sold the million to them ���С�������ʲ�������ィ������ϵ��������һ����Ƭ���������� 543 00:39:06,712 --> 00:39:09,713 for $15 a pill, instead of $3. ÿƬ15��Ԫ��������3��Ԫ�� 544 00:39:13,651 --> 00:39:20,323 - More than 85,000 people a yer come here to learn about the teachings of one Sri Rajneesh. -ÿ���г���85,000�ˣ�������ѧϰһλ˹��������ϣ�Ľ��塣 545 00:39:20,325 --> 00:39:24,094 - My wife was part of the Osho Ashram group, �������ǰ��޵����ij�Ա�� 546 00:39:24,162 --> 00:39:27,097 so when he opened up the ranch up in Oregon, ���Ե����ڶ��ո��ݿ���������Ӫʱ�� 547 00:39:27,165 --> 00:39:32,202 we were some of the first peope to go up there and be with him. �����ǵ�һ��ȥ���������һ����ˡ� 548 00:39:35,876 --> 00:39:38,476 ��...������һ�����ܻ�ӭ��ҩ��������ҩ������ 549 00:39:38,676 --> 00:39:41,210 - It was all legal,totally legal. -���ǺϷ��ģ���ȫ�Ϸ��� 550 00:39:41,213 --> 00:39:43,212 Just too good to be true. �õ������������š� 551 00:39:43,281 --> 00:39:45,748 It was everywhere.It was in the New York Times. �������ǡ����ǡ�ŦԼʱ�����ϵ�һƪ���¡� 552 00:39:45,751 --> 00:39:48,184 Socialites parties were talking about it, �罻�ɶ��϶���̸������ 553 00:39:48,186 --> 00:39:53,289 and the DEA was making a bunch of claims,and I knew that it was any time. ������Ҳ���˺ܶ���������֪���������������¶��� 554 00:39:53,358 --> 00:40:00,396 - The drug dealers need to know that we want them out of our schools, neighborhoods, and our lives. -������Ҫ֪��������ϣ�������뿪���ǵ�ѧУ����������� 555 00:40:00,399 --> 00:40:05,234 - I said, I'm going to stop before it becomes illegal. -��˵����Ҫ������ɷǷ�֮ǰ������ϴ�֡� 556 00:40:05,237 --> 00:40:07,603 I stepped out of the business. ���˳��������ҵ�� 557 00:40:07,606 --> 00:40:11,307 I ended up getting stung for this pot deal. ����δ��齻�ף����ҳ��˴���� 558 00:40:12,377 --> 00:40:18,114 And because of my association with The Devil, they thought that I was in the cocaine business. ��Ϊ�Һ͡�ħ�����Ĺ�ϵ��������Ϊ�������ɿ�������ġ� 559 00:40:18,116 --> 00:40:21,083 But I never sold a gram of coke in my life. �����Ⱳ�ӣ���û����һ�˿ɿ��� 560 00:40:21,086 --> 00:40:24,421 But anyways, I had to go to prison, four years. �������������ҵý�����������ꡣ 561 00:40:27,258 --> 00:40:28,591 (bell ringing) [��������] 562 00:40:29,995 --> 00:40:32,462 - Please remove all negative influences from this mind, -������ͷ�����Ƴ����и����Ӱ�죬 563 00:40:33,297 --> 00:40:35,765 and please notify us when this has been accomplished. ������ɺ�֪ͨ���ǡ� 564 00:40:36,334 --> 00:40:38,701 - Done. -����ˡ� ���˵�.Τ������˹.�˵�ɭ������"��ͨ��֮�ˣ� 565 00:40:38,737 --> 00:40:41,037 - Peter was there from the very start. -�˵ô�һ��ʼ�����ڳ��� 566 00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:48,144 He was most likely his counselor, go-to person when things got befuddled, �˵úܿ��������˶��Ĺ��ʣ��������û��ҵ�ʱ�� ��������.��ά��������ѧ�ң� 567 00:40:48,846 --> 00:40:54,851 and he gave general direction, you know,for continuing MDMA. �˵û�����˶����µķ�����֪����Ϊ�˼�����չҡͷ�����⡣ 568 00:40:54,853 --> 00:40:56,619 - Talking about our project, -̸�����ǵ���Ŀ�� 569 00:40:56,621 --> 00:40:58,555 there has been a situation come up ��һ����������ˣ� 570 00:40:58,623 --> 00:41:01,190 where you might locate the form of Bob McMillen, ����ܻ��ҵ�������������׵ġ��������� 571 00:41:01,193 --> 00:41:04,794 who is probably in a federal penitentiary somewhere around Denver. �������ڵ��𸽽����������� 572 00:41:05,364 --> 00:41:07,397 Can you locate this form? �����ҵ�������������� 573 00:41:10,301 --> 00:41:13,937 - We can locate the form,although not at this exact location. -���ǿ����ҵ�������������Ȼ�������������λ���� 574 00:41:14,005 --> 00:41:15,071 Yes. �ǵġ� 575 00:41:15,073 --> 00:41:16,472 - Right, uh... -�Ǻã���... 576 00:41:16,541 --> 00:41:19,476 We're not exactly sure if he's still being held there. ���Dz�ȷ�������Ƿ񻹱�������� 577 00:41:19,544 --> 00:41:23,980 - If you're walking at the beach and you reach down and grab that of a clam, -��������ں�̲�ϣ������ּ�һֻ���ۣ� 578 00:41:24,048 --> 00:41:30,987 then ye have that of the symbol that this entity embodies as far as thy fears are concerned. ��ô������������ʵ�������ֵ�������������Ŀ־���ԡ� 579 00:41:30,989 --> 00:41:32,421 See? �������� 580 00:41:32,424 --> 00:41:35,258 - A clam meaning he isn't talking. - һֻ������ζ�ţ�������˵���� 581 00:41:35,994 --> 00:41:38,427 - Absolutely, the entity reveres silence. -���Եģ������ʵ�塱���ؿ���ƿ�� 582 00:41:38,430 --> 00:41:42,065 Therefore,he's divulging nothing. ��ˣ���û��й¶�κ���Ϣ�� 583 00:41:42,133 --> 00:41:44,000 See? �������� 584 00:41:44,068 --> 00:41:45,735 - That makes perfect sense to me. -�������˵�������塣 585 00:41:45,803 --> 00:41:47,470 That's perfectly logical. Thank you. ����ȫ�����߼���лл�㣡 586 00:41:49,975 --> 00:41:55,345 - So we knew that the DEA was going to come after us, but the DEA did not know that we existed. -���ԣ�����֪����������������ǣ������Dz�֪�������ǵĴ��ڡ� 587 00:41:55,413 --> 00:42:01,284 What had started happening was a big struggle inside Earth Metabolic Design Lab. ��ʼ�����ģ��ǡ������л���ʵ���ҡ��ڲ���һ������������ 588 00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:03,219 And it was about what we said in public. ���ǹ��������ڹ���������˵�Ļ��� 589 00:42:03,288 --> 00:42:08,357 They felt publicly we should only say that we're in favor of MDMA being a medicine, ������Ϊ������Ӧ�ù�����˵������֧��MDMA��Ϊһ��ҩ� 590 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:14,630 and that we should concede that it's OK that it's being criminalized for recreational purposes. ����Ӧ�ó��ϣ����䶨Ϊ����Ŀ�ģ��ǿ��Խ��ܵġ� 591 00:42:14,699 --> 00:42:16,165 And I didn't feel that way at all. ������ȫû�����ָо��� 592 00:42:16,167 --> 00:42:21,103 I felt that we have to really argue against the criminalization as a whole. �Ҿ��ã����DZ�����Ϊһ�����壬���Ը������¶�� 593 00:42:21,106 --> 00:42:24,841 - And then this last one didn't take change much. -��������һ����Ҳû�иı���١� 594 00:42:25,610 --> 00:42:27,310 It was all about strategy. ��һ�ж�������йء� 595 00:42:29,548 --> 00:42:32,448 And Rick can be a little pig-headed sometimes about things. ��ʱ����˻��ijЩ���飬��Щ��ִ�� 596 00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:34,150 - Debby, we talked about this. -��ȣ�����̸������ˡ� 597 00:42:34,218 --> 00:42:37,653 - Rick, can you just leave it till later, please? -��ˣ����ܵȻ������˵�� 598 00:42:37,722 --> 00:42:39,722 - You know what? - It's not working. -��֪��ʲô�� -���������á� 599 00:42:39,790 --> 00:42:41,858 - No, you're right. It's not working. -�ǵģ���˵�öԡ��ⲻ���á� 600 00:42:43,060 --> 00:42:44,594 - Rick. -��ˡ� 601 00:42:44,662 --> 00:42:48,596 (upbeat theme music) [�������������] �����ӽ�Ŀ���������㡷1985�꣩ 602 00:42:48,867 --> 00:42:51,534 - Well, guess what? We've got another drug. -�����ô�ţ���������һ��ҩ�� 603 00:42:51,603 --> 00:42:53,202 It is synthetic. ���Ǻϳɵġ� 604 00:42:53,638 --> 00:42:56,472 And it makes you love everybod. �����ܰ����ɣ����˼��˰���֮�ˡ� 605 00:42:58,977 --> 00:43:02,512 It's called ecstasy. Now who doesn't want to take ecstasy? ��С���ϲ����ҡͷ�裩��˭����Ҫ��ϲ�أ� 606 00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:06,248 - The Phil Donahue show is wanting to do a story, -�ƶ��������ݽ�Ŀ����һ�����£� 607 00:43:06,317 --> 00:43:08,918 a show on MDMA,and they contacted me. һ������ҡͷ��Ľ�Ŀ��������ϵ���ҡ� 608 00:43:08,987 --> 00:43:12,688 I realized that for me to be a spokesperson ����ʶ����������˵�� 609 00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:17,193 on the Donahue Show, saying what I believed to be the case, would be a problem. ��Ϊ�ڡ��������㡷�ϵķ����ˣ�˵���������ŵ���������Ǹ��鷳�� 610 00:43:17,195 --> 00:43:20,196 I'm saying, OK, let's get Bob Schuster on the show. ��Ҫ˵���ðɣ��ñ�������˹���Ͻ�Ŀ�ɡ� 611 00:43:20,198 --> 00:43:24,533 Bob Schuster, he was from University of Chicago, ��������˹�أ�������֥�Ӹ��ѧ�� �����˹����˹�ز�ʿ��֥�Ӹ��ѧ��ҩ�������о����ģ� 612 00:43:24,536 --> 00:43:29,372 and he told me that he thought MDMA should be in Schedule 3, �������ң�����Ϊҡͷ��Ӧ�ñ����롰�������ơ��� 613 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,941 which is meaning available as a medicine. Ҳ����˵����������Ϊҽҩʹ�á� 614 00:43:32,010 --> 00:43:35,244 Schuster told the story of what I actually wanted him to say, ��˹��˵���ˣ��������������Ļ��� 615 00:43:35,312 --> 00:43:39,882 it should be in Schedule 3, but he mentioned this issue about neurotoxicity. ��Ӧ�ñ����롰��������ơ��������ᵽ���񾭶��Ե����⡣ 616 00:43:39,884 --> 00:43:43,620 Gene Haislip from the DEA was also on the show. ������ļ�������˹����Ҳ�μ��˽�Ŀ�� 617 00:43:43,688 --> 00:43:46,055 - The drug has been around for several years, -����ҩ���Ѿ����ںü����ˣ� 618 00:43:46,123 --> 00:43:50,393 but what we've seen in the last couple of years is an escalation of the availability. �������ڹ�ȥ�����￴���ģ��ǿɻ���Ե������� ����������˹���գ����������������������� 619 00:43:50,395 --> 00:43:53,896 - The DEA freaked out,and Gene Haislip decided -�������������ˣ���������˹���վ����� 620 00:43:53,964 --> 00:43:56,599 that he could turn this fear of neurotoxicity �����Խ����ֶ��񾭶��Ե��𾪣� 621 00:43:56,668 --> 00:44:00,269 into a justification for emergency scheduling MDMA, ת��Ϊ��ҡͷ�裨MDMA��ִ�С��������ơ������ɣ� 622 00:44:00,337 --> 00:44:02,204 which happened in 1985. ���·�����1985�ꡣ 623 00:44:02,207 --> 00:44:04,407 It was just... ��ֻ��... 624 00:44:04,475 --> 00:44:06,309 the law of unintended consequences. ���벻���ķ��ɺ���� 625 00:44:06,377 --> 00:44:10,279 - I don't know that that was Rick's fault, that's just, it happened,it was unfortunate. -�Ҳ�֪��������˵Ĵ���ֻ��������������������ˣ��ܲ��ҡ� 626 00:44:10,281 --> 00:44:13,449 - Senator Bentsen urged the Drug Enforcement Administration -����Ա����ɭ�شټ����𣬾�����֤�ᣬ 627 00:44:13,517 --> 00:44:17,920 to hold hearings to determine whether MDMA should be declared Schedule I. ��ȷ��ҡͷ��MDMA�Ƿ�Ӧ����������Ϊ����һ��������ư��š��� 628 00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:24,761 - I refused to stop talking about how I think it should not be criminalized at all. -��һֱ��˵������Ϊ������ҩ������Ӧ�ñ��϶�Ϊ�����ﻯ���� 629 00:44:24,829 --> 00:44:27,329 And that created a lot of division. ������˺ܶ���硣 630 00:44:27,398 --> 00:44:34,303 And I realized that I really had to resign from Earth Metabolic Design Lab and start something new. ����ʶ������ı��룬��ȥ�����л���ʵ���ҵĹ�������ʼ�µĹ����� 631 00:44:34,372 --> 00:44:36,639 But it was out of despair, out of desperation. �����dz��ھ��������ڼ��衣 632 00:44:36,708 --> 00:44:38,307 There was no other way forward. û�б��·���ߡ� 633 00:44:38,375 --> 00:44:42,044 And so I thought I would just become a pharmaceutical compan. ���ԣ������һ��ʺ�һ����ҩ��˾�ġ� 634 00:44:44,983 --> 00:44:49,585 - This morning, the Drug Enforcement Administration is announcing its intention �������ϣ����������������� 635 00:44:50,788 --> 00:44:53,422 to place the drug known as MDM, ������Ϊ�����Ǽ׻�˫����������MDMA����ҩ� 636 00:44:53,425 --> 00:44:59,095 or by the street name ecstasy,under emergency controls of Schedule 1. ���ڽ�ͷ������Ϊ��ҡͷ�裬�����һ��������Ƶ������� 637 00:45:01,332 --> 00:45:10,640 This control will impose criminal penalties for both unauthorized manufacture and distribution of up to 15 years. ������ƣ�����δ����Ȩ����ͷ������ˣ����Գ���15������´����� 638 00:45:14,279 --> 00:45:21,684 - What we did was move the operation out of the United States and only sell it in countries where it was legal. -�����������ǽ�ҵ���Ƴ�������ֻ�ںϷ��Ĺ��ҽ������ۡ� 639 00:45:21,753 --> 00:45:23,452 That was the whole goal. ���������Ŀ�ꡣ 640 00:45:23,455 --> 00:45:28,357 I knew the DEA was serious and I didn't want to get involved. ��֪��������������ģ��Ҳ���������� 641 00:45:28,359 --> 00:45:30,526 I didn't want to get arrested. �Ҳ��뱻������ 642 00:45:31,295 --> 00:45:32,962 The momentum was so strong. ��ͷ�����ǿ���� 643 00:45:32,964 --> 00:45:35,064 We didn't want it to stop. ���Dz�����ҵ��ͣ�͡� 644 00:45:39,771 --> 00:45:43,305 - I then met Michael sometime in 1985 in California. -1985���ij��ʱ�����ڼ������������˶��� 645 00:45:43,308 --> 00:45:46,976 And he said, would you meet us at the General Aviation Terminal? ��˵��������ͨ�ú��պ�վ���������Ǽ����� 646 00:45:46,978 --> 00:45:49,712 He came on a Learjet. ���dz���������������ġ� 647 00:45:49,714 --> 00:45:54,316 It was a local airport,small airport in Santa Clara,California. ����һ�����ػ�����λ�ڼ���ʥ��������һ��С������ 648 00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:56,586 And I walked inside, �����˽�ȥ�� 649 00:45:57,188 --> 00:45:58,921 and there they were. ���Ǿ������ 650 00:45:58,990 --> 00:46:00,523 (laughing) [Ц��] 651 00:46:00,591 --> 00:46:02,892 I knew that it was a big momen. ��֪��������һ����Ҫ��ʱ�̡� 652 00:46:04,029 --> 00:46:05,161 - Sit, sit, sit, sit. -���£����£����£������� 653 00:46:05,997 --> 00:46:11,000 - When I first met Michael Clegg, I thought he had the deepest blue eyes, right? -���ҵ�һ�μ������˶�.�������ʱ���Ҿ�������һ˫��������۾����԰ɣ� 654 00:46:11,002 --> 00:46:14,503 He seemed to have some kind of power behind him. ���������ƺ�����ij�������� 655 00:46:14,506 --> 00:46:16,872 He was really dressed to the nine. ���Ĵ��ţ���úܽ����� 656 00:46:16,875 --> 00:46:20,109 Paulina was dressed in white,and he was also dressed in white. �����ȴ��Ű�ɫ���·�����Ҳ���Ű�ɫ���·��� 657 00:46:20,178 --> 00:46:24,447 It seemed to me that he has arrived and something big is coming down. ���ҿ����������ˣ���Ҫ���������ˡ� 658 00:46:24,515 --> 00:46:27,516 And he introduced me to Walter Franz. �����ҽ��ܸ��ֶ��ء����ʴġ� 659 00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,419 - Carina is the mother of our beloved molecule. -�����ȣ��������װ��ġ����ӻ�ѧ��֮ĸ�� 660 00:46:30,955 --> 00:46:33,756 We are all very well acquainted with your work. ���Ƕ��������Ĺ�����������Ϥ�� 661 00:46:34,558 --> 00:46:37,092 - And as beautiful as she is talented. -����Ư�������вŻ��� 662 00:46:37,095 --> 00:46:41,564 - Indeed. Walter Franz here is my CFO with the Texas Group. -��ʵ�ϡ��ֶ��ء����ʴ������ڡ��¿���˹���š�����ϯ����١� 663 00:46:41,566 --> 00:46:47,436 - Walter Franz turned his head and he looked through me. �ֶ��ء�������ת��ͷ�������´������ҡ� 664 00:46:47,438 --> 00:46:49,972 He didn't just look at me.�� ����ֻ�ǿ����ҡ� 665 00:46:50,041 --> 00:46:55,144 And I felt that stare,it just really pierced,you know,through me. �Ҹо��������ӣ���͸���ҵ����塣 666 00:46:55,213 --> 00:46:56,712 - If you accept our offer, -�����������ǵı��ۣ� 667 00:46:56,714 --> 00:47:02,552 Walt here will work with you in the financials to make sure that you, uh,that you want for nothing. ���ػ��ڲ�������������ȷ���㣬����ȷ����Ӧ�о��С� 668 00:47:03,554 --> 00:47:06,889 I want to give you your own facility,anything that you need. ��������Լ�����ʩ������Ҫ���κ������� 669 00:47:06,891 --> 00:47:09,458 - Uh...I'm flattered. -��...���ܳ������ˡ� 670 00:47:09,526 --> 00:47:10,593 Michael and Paulina, ���˶��ͱ����ȣ� 671 00:47:10,595 --> 00:47:12,929 they were playful spirits, ���Ǻ���Ƥ�� 672 00:47:12,997 --> 00:47:15,498 but it just... I just didn't get it, right? ����ֻ��...��ֻ�Dz����ף��԰ɣ� 673 00:47:15,566 --> 00:47:18,033 - What do you say? - What do you say? -��Ҫ��ô˵�أ� -��˵ʲô�أ� 674 00:47:18,903 --> 00:47:20,169 - Um... -��... 675 00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:22,304 OK. �а��� 676 00:47:22,307 --> 00:47:23,973 (laughing) [Ц��] 677 00:47:24,041 --> 00:47:27,810 It was just going to be a major scale-up. �⽫��һ�Σ����ģ�����š� 678 00:47:27,812 --> 00:47:29,679 - Cheers. - Cheers. -�ɱ��� -�ɱ��� 679 00:47:29,747 --> 00:47:32,314 ("Everybody Wants to Rule the World" by Tears for Fears) [�־������ֶӵġ�ÿ���˶���ͳ�����硱] 680 00:47:33,651 --> 00:47:36,819 I then took MDMA at the Sheraton Round Barn. Ȼ�����ڡ�ϲ���ǵ�Բ�ιȲ֡���������ҡͷ�衣 681 00:47:36,888 --> 00:47:38,621 So they told me, ���ԣ����Ǹ����ң� 682 00:47:38,689 --> 00:47:42,791 it is now time for you to know exactly what you have made. ������ʱ������֪�����㵽�׶�����ʲô�� 683 00:47:42,794 --> 00:47:45,261 They're telling me I have done this. ���Ǹ����ң���������������� 684 00:47:45,329 --> 00:47:49,165 Whoa, that was a big, big load to carry at that point. �ۣ���ʱ��������Ǹ����ĸ������� 685 00:47:50,234 --> 00:47:53,169 She told me, this is really big. �������ң��⸺����úܴ� 686 00:47:54,838 --> 00:47:57,940 This is bigger than you and me. �������Ҷ��� 687 00:47:59,477 --> 00:48:02,811 In the peak of the high, my heart just... ���۷�ĸߴ����ҵ���ֻ��... 688 00:48:02,814 --> 00:48:04,180 exploded. ��ը���Ƶá� 689 00:48:06,083 --> 00:48:07,516 And... ����... 690 00:48:07,518 --> 00:48:10,586 I did recognize that it was bigger than me. ��ȷʵ��ʶ��,�����һ��� 691 00:48:12,222 --> 00:48:16,859 And that's why time was always running out,and I was embracing something... �����Ϊʲô��ʱ�����������ţ�������ӵ��һЩ����... 692 00:48:18,095 --> 00:48:19,328 so much bigger. ���֮��Ҫ�� 693 00:48:19,330 --> 00:48:21,230 ("(I Just) Died in Your Arms" by Cutting Crew) [�и�С���ֶӵġ�����ֻ�ǣ�������Ļ��С�] 694 00:48:27,472 --> 00:48:28,905 I took it with Walt. �������ֶ���һ���ҩ�� 695 00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:34,076 And the experience escalated, and that was our beginning. ���־���������������ͳ������ǵĿ�ʼ�� 696 00:48:34,846 --> 00:48:37,013 I think... �Ҿ���... 697 00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:40,249 to realize that from any human standpoint, ���κ�����ĽǶȶ�����ʶ���� 698 00:48:40,318 --> 00:48:44,287 I love you,is really big. �Ұ��㣬��ĺ���Ҫ�� 699 00:48:45,089 --> 00:48:46,255 Don't you think? �㲻������ 700 00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:54,363 (upbeat music) [���ֵ�����] 701 00:48:54,432 --> 00:48:56,298 So there was this window of time ������һ��ʱ�䣬 702 00:48:56,367 --> 00:49:02,037 when the material could move outside of the United States into Mexico where it was legal. ��Щ���Ͽ��Դ�����ת�Ƶ�ī���磬���������ǺϷ��ġ� 703 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,307 And Walt and the executive committee,they orchestrated that. �ֶ��غ�ִ��ίԱ�ᣬ���IJ߻�����һ�С� 704 00:49:05,310 --> 00:49:08,510 - We changed the marketing and the production, -���Ǹı���Ӫ����������ʽ�� 705 00:49:08,513 --> 00:49:12,681 moved it out of the country,and no sales in the country. ����ת�Ƶ����⣬�ڱ���û�����ۡ� 706 00:49:12,684 --> 00:49:16,352 Basically, Europe was our whole marketplace. �����ϣ�ŷ�������ǵ������г��� 707 00:49:16,354 --> 00:49:18,854 ("Heart of Glass" by Blondie) [��Ů���ֶӵġ������ġ�] 708 00:49:27,664 --> 00:49:29,598 - First, we ordered materials. -���ȣ����Ƕ����˲��ϡ� 709 00:49:29,667 --> 00:49:32,234 I outworked the three men. �ұ��������˸�Ŭ���� 710 00:49:32,302 --> 00:49:34,003 I sent them home, �Ұ������ͻ��˼ң� 711 00:49:34,071 --> 00:49:35,805 and I finished the first batch, ������˵�һ������ 712 00:49:35,873 --> 00:49:37,640 single-handedly, right? ����һ�ˣ����� 713 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:48,717 I would take MDMA before I went to the laboratory, �һ���ȥʵ����֮ǰ������ʳ��ҡͷ�衱�� 714 00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:52,755 just so I can get in tune to essentially what's happening over there. �������Ҿ����˽⣬���﷢����ʲô�� 715 00:49:52,757 --> 00:49:56,225 I mean, like fast-track the attunement, ����˵��������ٵ��ͣ� 716 00:49:56,293 --> 00:49:58,927 but it was to essentially ������ʵ���ǣ� 717 00:49:58,930 --> 00:50:06,569 elicit that synergistic effect between the substance that's already in me versus the crystals that are in front of me. Ϊ���������ڵ����ʣ�������ǰ�ľ���֮�䣬����ЭͬЧӦ�� 718 00:50:09,074 --> 00:50:13,676 We were probably the largest producer of MDMA in that time period. ���ǿ������Ǹ�ʱ�ڣ�����ҡͷ�������̡� 719 00:50:13,779 --> 00:50:18,313 - From 1986 to 1992, MAPS - ��1986����1992�꣬�»ü���ѧ���о�Э�� ���������о��Ϳ����Ի�ҩ�������������еĺϷ�ҽ����;�� 720 00:50:18,482 --> 00:50:27,323 submitted five different protocols with various scientists to the FDA for MDMA research. ���λ��ѧ��һ����FDA���ύ����ݲ�ͬ�ģ�����MDMA���о������� 721 00:50:27,391 --> 00:50:31,594 And all of these protocols were rejected by the FDA. ������Щ��������FDA����ˡ� 722 00:50:32,897 --> 00:50:37,333 Science had published a paper that they never should have published, ����ѧ����־������һƪ�����DZ���Ӧ�÷��������ģ� 723 00:50:37,401 --> 00:50:41,470 and it was a paper done by George Ricaurte and Una McCann, funded by NIDA, ����һƪ�����Ρ���غ����ȡ������ɵ����ģ��ɹ���ҩ�������о��������� 724 00:50:41,539 --> 00:50:45,174 that claimed that MDMA could hurt dopamine and could cause Parkinson's. ���ơ�ҡͷ�衱��MDMA�����˺�������ϵͳ�Ķ�Ͱ�����������ɭ֢�� 725 00:50:45,242 --> 00:50:49,511 And they did a study in primates, and they killed a bunch of the primates, �������鳤�ද����������һ���о�������ɱ����һȺ�鳤�ද� 726 00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:51,280 and they reduced their dopamine. ���Ǽ��������ǵĶ�Ͱ��� 727 00:50:51,282 --> 00:50:56,085 And at the end of the year,they came out and said that they had made a terrible,terrible mistake, ������ף����dz���˵�����Ƿ���һ���dz����dz����صĴ��� 728 00:50:56,153 --> 00:51:00,589 that they had mistakenly given methamphetamine instead of MDMA to these animals. ���Ǵ���أ�����Щ����ע���˼׻��������������Ƕ��Ǽ׻�˫����������ҡͷ�裩�� 729 00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:06,862 The criminalization prevented the harm reduction that should have been done. ������ҩ�����¶���谭�ˡ���Ӧ�����˺����Ĺ����� 730 00:51:07,631 --> 00:51:13,168 It's only when the FDA says yes to something being medicine that it can be rescheduled. ֻ�е�ʳƷ��ҩ�������(FDA)ͬ��ij�ֶ���������Ϊҩ��ʱ�����������°��š� 731 00:51:13,171 --> 00:51:17,106 So that was clear for us that we needed to go through the FDA. �������Ǻ������������Ҫͨ��ʳƷ��ҩ������֣�FDA���� 732 00:51:17,174 --> 00:51:20,109 It's just enormously expensive and time-consuming. ���Ƿdz�����ͺ�ʱ�ġ� 733 00:51:20,111 --> 00:51:23,479 But I felt that that was the only way forward. ���Ҿ��ã�����Ψһ�ij�·�� 734 00:51:23,547 --> 00:51:27,182 So I thought, OK, I'll try tha, no matter how hard it is. �������룬�ðɣ��ҵ�Ҫ���ԣ��������ж��ѡ� 735 00:51:27,251 --> 00:51:29,685 (electronic pop music) [���е�������] 736 00:51:29,885 --> 00:51:32,885 ��1986�꣬������������ɯ���� 737 00:51:34,324 --> 00:51:39,161 - The Ibiza supply,they were selling so much ecstasy. -����ɳ���Ĺ�Ӧ�̣��������˺ܶ�ҡͷ�衣 738 00:51:40,063 --> 00:51:47,236 Actually, it turned out that my distributor for all of Europe was one of the sannyasins I met up there at the ranch. ��ʵ�ϣ�������ŷ�޵ľ����̣������ڡ��������пΡ�������һ����ͽ�� 739 00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:51,907 I looked him up and he was great. �Ҳ���������ܰ��� 740 00:51:51,976 --> 00:51:54,977 Island of Ibiza? Should have called it the Island of Ecstas. ����ɳ����Ӧ�ý�����ҡͷ�赺���� 741 00:51:59,250 --> 00:52:01,483 It was just my mission. �������ҵ�ʹ���� 742 00:52:01,486 --> 00:52:03,686 Get this out to the world. �����������ȫ���硣 743 00:52:03,754 --> 00:52:06,121 And I was having fun doing it. �����úܿ��ġ� 744 00:52:06,190 --> 00:52:12,495 In Ibiza, ecstasy replaced cocaine as the drug of choice. ������ɳ����ҡͷ��ȡ���ɿ��򣬳�Ϊ��ѡ��Ʒ�� 745 00:52:15,699 --> 00:52:18,867 - Although the Mexican facility continued to produce, - ��Ȼ��ī���繤������������ 746 00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:23,205 the money from sales was not promptly being delivered. ���������õ�Ǯ����û�м�ʱ������ 747 00:52:24,308 --> 00:52:28,477 In Mexico, I didn't feel that I was supported with Michael. ��ī���磬�Ҿ�����û�еõ����˶���֧�֡� 748 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,914 He was jealous of my relationship with Walt, �������Һ��ֶ��صĹ�ϵ�� 749 00:52:31,982 --> 00:52:33,982 because he made comments that, oh, ��Ϊ�����۵���Ŷ�� 750 00:52:33,985 --> 00:52:35,384 he married the chemist, right? ��Ȣ���Ǹ���ѧ�ң��԰ɣ� 751 00:52:35,386 --> 00:52:38,420 And he saw... success. ����������...�ɹ��� 752 00:52:38,488 --> 00:52:42,791 And with that,he probably equated that with power. ��ˣ������ܽ��䣬��ͬ��Ȩ���� 753 00:52:44,828 --> 00:52:48,764 That may have caused a rift in that relationship. ����ܵ����ˣ����ֹ�ϵ���Ѻۡ� 754 00:52:50,535 --> 00:52:54,269 We had a function,and we had to execute it. ������һ��ְ�����DZ���ִ������ 755 00:52:54,338 --> 00:52:56,238 I mean, with or without him, right? ������û�������԰ɣ� 756 00:52:56,438 --> 00:52:57,638 ��1988�꣬���������ǣ��� 757 00:52:57,675 --> 00:52:59,608 (thunder rumbling) [����¡¡] 758 00:52:59,610 --> 00:53:01,010 - Ah... -��... 759 00:53:02,947 --> 00:53:06,081 I want to create a real experience for people. ����Ϊ���Ǵ�����һ����ʵ�����顣 760 00:53:06,083 --> 00:53:07,416 Retreats, �������лᣬ 761 00:53:07,484 --> 00:53:09,484 a place for seekers, һ��Ϊ׷Ѱ��׼���ĵط��� 762 00:53:09,487 --> 00:53:10,786 a haven for the mind. һ��˼������á� 763 00:53:10,788 --> 00:53:13,288 I feel you'd be the man for it. �Ҿ�����������ʵ���ѡ�� 764 00:53:13,291 --> 00:53:18,661 - Michael reached out to me in March of 1988, and then I met him in April of 1988. -���˶���1988��3����ϵ���ң�Ȼ������1988��4�º��������ˡ� 765 00:53:18,729 --> 00:53:22,464 He wanted to find a new chemist to produce the material for him. ������һ���µĻ�ѧ�ң�Ϊ���������ֲ��ϡ� ������.����ɭ���л���ѧ�ң� 766 00:53:22,466 --> 00:53:25,734 So, of course, I was interested in this because this was my lifelong dream. ��Ȼ���Ҷ�����ܸ���Ȥ����Ϊ������һ�������롣 767 00:53:25,736 --> 00:53:27,703 My real interest started ����������Ȥ��ʼ�� 768 00:53:27,771 --> 00:53:31,640 when I ran across a Playboymagazine article called Future Highs. ��żȻ�������������ӡ���־�ϣ�һƪ��Ϊ��δ���Ŀ�С������¡� 769 00:53:31,642 --> 00:53:36,745 And there was a fascinating quote that I thought was... one of the most profound things I've ever heard, �Ҿ��ã�����һ������˵�����...�����������ģ�����̵Ļ�֮һ�� 770 00:53:36,747 --> 00:53:41,316 "What I look for are the connections between molecular structure and consciousness." ����Ѱ�ҵ��ǣ����ӽṹ����ʶ֮�����ϵ���� 771 00:53:41,319 --> 00:53:43,552 When I read that,it just blew me away, ���Ҷ�����仰ʱ�������ˣ� 772 00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:47,856 and I knew right then I didn't want to be a medical doctor, I wanted to be a chemist. �ҵ�ʱ��֪�����Ҳ����Ϊһ��ҽ���������Ϊһ����ѧ�ҡ� 773 00:53:58,903 --> 00:54:02,905 Let's say you wanted to scale it up further.What would you do? �������룬�����һ�����������ô���� 774 00:54:04,375 --> 00:54:07,376 - I'd rather use larger scale reactors.It'd be more efficient. -����Ըʹ�ã������ģ�ķ�Ӧ�������������Ч�ʡ� 775 00:54:07,444 --> 00:54:09,678 - Hey, whatever you need,you got it. -�٣���������Ҫʲô���Ҷ����㡣 776 00:54:09,747 --> 00:54:12,047 We'll go wherever we need to,wherever best. ����Ҫȥ�����ȥ���ȥ��õĵط��� 777 00:54:12,116 --> 00:54:17,319 Some people think they're owed everything.Nothing's enough. ��Щ����Ϊ�����ǰ�һ�ж���ÿ����ˡ�ɶ�����������ˡ� 778 00:54:18,256 --> 00:54:20,155 - Walter was Michael's accountant. -�ֶ��������˶��Ļ�ơ� 779 00:54:20,157 --> 00:54:26,428 If he controlled Michael's money and she controlled the MDMA, they had control over Michael. ��������������˶���Ǯ�����������ˡ�ҡͷ�衱�����ǾͿ��������˶��� 780 00:54:27,431 --> 00:54:32,934 Then he was really outraged when they said, oh, by the way, we're a married couple now. Ȼ�󣬵�����˵��Ŷ��˳��˵һ�£����������Ѿ�����ˣ����˶���ú������� 781 00:54:33,003 --> 00:54:35,504 That's when Michael lost it. ���˶���������ʱ��ʧȥ���ǵġ� 782 00:54:35,506 --> 00:54:38,874 He had only been paying $2,000 a kilo prior to that, �ڴ�֮ǰ����ֻ����2000��Ԫһ����ļ۸� 783 00:54:38,876 --> 00:54:43,078 and they unilaterally decided they wanted to raise the price to $7,000 a kilo, �����������ӵ����������Ҫ�Ѽ۸���ߵ�7000��Ԫһ��� 784 00:54:43,147 --> 00:54:46,515 which was the reason he decided to find a new chemist, �������������һ���µĻ�ѧ�ҵ�ԭ�� 785 00:54:46,517 --> 00:54:49,384 because he didn't want to work with them and pay those prices, ��Ϊ�������������������һ������֧�������ļ۸� 786 00:54:49,387 --> 00:54:52,420 even though he was still making the lion's share. ���ܣ�����Ȼ��ռ������ֺ�����ݶ 787 00:54:54,124 --> 00:54:58,927 - It was harder and harder to get the funding and support. -����ʽ��֧�֣����Խ��Խ�ѡ� 788 00:54:58,929 --> 00:55:01,396 And we had to pay the people.We had to let go of the people. ���ǻ��ø�Ǯ����Щ�ˡ����DZ����뿪��Щ�ˡ� 789 00:55:01,399 --> 00:55:04,266 We had to use our own money when the money didn't come. û��Ǯ����ʱ������ֻ�ö����Լ���Ǯ�� 790 00:55:04,335 --> 00:55:06,368 - We're making our plans, Walt. -���������ƶ��ƻ����ֶ��ء� 791 00:55:06,436 --> 00:55:08,270 The money's being moved, invested. Ǯ��ת�ơ�Ͷ���ˡ� 792 00:55:08,338 --> 00:55:10,872 You know? We can't really talk about it right now. ��֪�����������ڲ���̸����� 793 00:55:10,875 --> 00:55:12,474 - It's not your money, that's our money. -�ⲻ�����Ǯ�������ǵ�Ǯ�� 794 00:55:12,476 --> 00:55:15,110 - It was pretty dark and intense. -���Ƿdz��ڰ��ͼ��ҵġ� 795 00:55:15,112 --> 00:55:20,615 Things didn't pan out really well, so anxiety levels were at an all-time high. �����չ�ò���˳�������Խ��dz̶ȣ��ﵽ����ʷ���ˮƽ�� 796 00:55:20,618 --> 00:55:22,785 It was very trying, right? �ܷ��ˣ��԰ɣ� 797 00:55:23,521 --> 00:55:27,890 The Mexican facility was shut down before 1988 ī����Ĺ�����1988��֮ǰ�ر��ˣ� 798 00:55:27,958 --> 00:55:33,962 because there was no money coming from the Texas group to support that plant. ��Ϊû�����ԡ��¿���˹���š����ʽ���֧����������� 799 00:55:34,698 --> 00:55:38,033 - He told me, "I'll never have anything to do with Walter and Carina again. -�������ң�������Ҳ������ֶ��غͿ��������κι�ϵ�ˡ� 800 00:55:38,035 --> 00:55:44,273 "She's nice,and she's competent,and I love her, but I can't stand Walter,and he's corrupted her." �����ܺã����ܸɣ��Ұ����������Ҳ��������ֶ��أ��������軵�ˡ��� 801 00:55:47,711 --> 00:55:51,146 Mexico shut down.The operation was going to move. ī����Ĺ����ر��ˡ�ҵ��Ҫ����ˡ� 802 00:55:51,214 --> 00:55:56,318 I said, I would prefer that we did this in a country where MDMA is still completely legal ��˵���Ҹ�ϣ����������һ����ҡͷ�衱��Ȼ��ȫ�Ϸ��Ĺ��ң�������£� 803 00:55:56,386 --> 00:55:58,387 for us to be able to do this work openly. ���������Ǿ��ܹ�����������¡� 804 00:55:58,455 --> 00:56:00,188 So that was the dream.That was the goal. ������ҵ����롣��������ǵ�Ŀ�ꡣ 805 00:56:00,191 --> 00:56:02,358 (Latin music) [��������] 806 00:56:05,262 --> 00:56:08,130 So I finally connect with Michael, and he says, ������������ϵ�������˶�����˵�� 807 00:56:08,198 --> 00:56:11,367 I've got the perfect location for us to set up. ������һ�������ĵص㣬���ǿ��������ィ���� 808 00:56:11,435 --> 00:56:14,469 - All of the corporations I had for business were Panamanian. -�����еĹ�˾���ǰ������ġ� 809 00:56:14,472 --> 00:56:16,605 - He goes, all right, we're going to Panama. -��˵���ðɣ�����ȥ�������� 810 00:56:16,607 --> 00:56:19,508 And I just laughed at him.I said, are you joking? ��ֻ�dz�Ц������˵�����ڿ���Ц�ɣ� 811 00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:22,444 Michael invested millions of dollars. ���˶�Ͷ������������Ԫ�� 812 00:56:22,446 --> 00:56:24,546 I told him he was crazy. �Ҹ���˵�����Ƿ��ˡ� 813 00:56:24,615 --> 00:56:26,848 He said, don't be closed-minded. ��˵����Ҫ��˼�����ˡ� 814 00:56:26,851 --> 00:56:28,717 Keep an open mind until you meet Werner. �ڼ���ά����֮ǰ�����ֿ��ŵ���̬�� 815 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:36,024 Werner was a very impressive,tall,distinguished, stereotypical Swiss businessma. ά������һ������ӡ����̵ġ��ߴ�ġ��ܳ��ġ����ɵ���ʿ���ˡ� 816 00:56:36,026 --> 00:56:37,793 Werner's wife was Simone. ά���ɵ������������ȡ� 817 00:56:37,795 --> 00:56:41,863 She was a cosmetologist in Panama for an upper-class clientele. ���ǰ�������һ������ʦ��Ϊһλ�������Ŀͻ����� 818 00:56:41,866 --> 00:56:47,102 And it just so happened that the dictator, Manuel Noriega, was one of her clients. ����������Ŭ������ŵ�мӣ�ǡ�������Ŀͻ�֮һ�� 819 00:56:47,171 --> 00:56:51,673 Noriega had severe acne scars,and she was treating him for his acne. ŵ�м������ص���̺ۣ������������������ 820 00:56:51,675 --> 00:56:54,243 He was eager to try MDMA. ����������ҡͷ�衣 821 00:56:54,978 --> 00:57:00,215 He and Simone went to one of his remote beach houses and took MDMA together. ����������һ��ȥ��ƫƧ�ĺ�����������ʳҡͷ�衣 822 00:57:01,551 --> 00:57:07,355 He curled up in a fetal positin and put his head in her lap and was crying like a baby. ����̥��һ�����һ�ţ���ͷ�����������ϣ��޵����Ӥ���� 823 00:57:07,358 --> 00:57:08,724 He was reliving... ��������.. 824 00:57:11,429 --> 00:57:14,329 He was reliving his childhood trauma ��������ͯ��Ĵ��ˣ� 825 00:57:14,398 --> 00:57:17,866 and talking about,his nickname growing up was Cara de Pi?a, ��̸�������ɳ������е��dz��ǡ��������¡�Ƥ�ɡ��� 826 00:57:17,868 --> 00:57:20,936 which is pineapple face,because of the acne, and he said Ҳ����һ�š�������������Ϊ�����˷۴̣���˵�� 827 00:57:21,004 --> 00:57:24,005 that no woman would ever love him with that face. û��Ů�ˣ�����Ϊ���������������������� 828 00:57:24,008 --> 00:57:27,509 And he was so impressed by the experience ��ξ���������������̵�ӡ�� 829 00:57:27,577 --> 00:57:31,113 that he offered Simone and Werner ���������Ⱥ�ά�����ṩ�ˣ� 830 00:57:31,181 --> 00:57:35,951 the opportunity to set up a manufacturing facility in Panama under his protection. �����ı����£��ڰ��������������칤���Ļ��ᡣ 831 00:57:36,753 --> 00:57:41,389 And then we turn on the news on December 20th of 1989 Ȼ��������1989��12��20�մ����ţ� 832 00:57:41,392 --> 00:57:45,427 and see helicopters attacking Panama. ����ֱ����Ϯ���������� 833 00:57:47,264 --> 00:57:50,699 All of a sudden, I get a call one day from Werner. ͻȻ��һ�죬�ҽӵ���ά���ɵĵ绰�� 834 00:57:50,701 --> 00:57:53,435 He says, Michael's withdrawn all of his support for Panama ��˵�����˶������˶԰���������������֧�֣� 835 00:57:54,137 --> 00:57:56,238 and wants to go to Brazil instead. ת����ȥ�����ˡ� 836 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,440 (lively music) [���������] 837 00:58:02,812 --> 00:58:05,247 - Ecstasy was legal in Brazil. -��ҡͷ�衱�ڰ������ǺϷ��ġ� 838 00:58:05,249 --> 00:58:06,281 They didn't even know what it was. ����������֪��������ʲô�� 839 00:58:06,349 --> 00:58:07,582 They'd never even heard of it. ����������û��˵���� 840 00:58:07,585 --> 00:58:12,788 We bought a pharmaceutical company that was legally making pharmaceutical products �����չ���һ�ҺϷ�����ҩƷ����ҩ��˾�� 841 00:58:13,524 --> 00:58:16,258 and started making ecstasy there. ��ʼ������������ҡͷ�衱�� 842 00:58:16,260 --> 00:58:18,126 And we needed the whole facility. ������Ҫ������ʩ�� 843 00:58:18,128 --> 00:58:21,563 - So we found the old facility. It was completely broken down. -���ԣ������ҵ��˾���ʩ������ȫ���ˡ� 844 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:24,933 Bom dia. ���Ϻ� 845 00:58:25,002 --> 00:58:32,841 You would have had an easier time trying to buy weapons-grade plutonium at the time than to buy any large quantities of methylamine. �ڵ�ʱ����ȥ�����������У��ȹ�������ļװ���Ҫ���׵öࡣ 846 00:58:33,477 --> 00:58:38,146 I found a Brazilian chemical directory and found a company in Sao Paulo. ���ҵ���һ��������ѧƷĿ¼����ʥ�����ҵ���һ�ҹ�˾�� 847 00:58:38,148 --> 00:58:42,617 I said, I'd like to get 20,000 kilos of the material. ��˵������Ҫ20000�������ֲ��ϡ� 848 00:58:42,686 --> 00:58:45,354 And it was enough to make 10 million doses of MDMA. �����㹻����һǧ�����ҡͷ�衱�� 849 00:58:46,222 --> 00:58:47,823 Michael thought that that was great, ���˶�������ܺã� 850 00:58:47,891 --> 00:58:49,157 that we were gonna take it up a notch, ����Ҫ����һ��̨�ף� 851 00:58:49,225 --> 00:58:54,963 because he was still envisioning from 100 kilos to metric ton quantities of MDMA every month. ��Ϊ�����������룬ÿ�´�100���ﵽһ�ֵġ�ҡͷ�衱������ 852 00:58:58,668 --> 00:59:01,370 - It was like this beast that had to be fed. -������һͷ����Ҫιʳ��Ұ�ޡ� 853 00:59:02,773 --> 00:59:05,841 Whatever you come up with,the mind can find a better way to do it. �������뵽ʲô�����Զ����ҵ����õķ���ȥ���� 854 00:59:06,876 --> 00:59:13,048 And urges you,like you need more,like you need more love, you need more money,you need more health. ���ڴߴ����㣬�����˸��࣬����и���İ��������Ǯ������Ľ����� 855 00:59:14,651 --> 00:59:16,852 That's a low level of consciousness. ����һ�ֵ�ˮƽ����ʶ�� 856 00:59:16,954 --> 00:59:19,388 ("Smalltown Boy" by Bronski Beat) [����˹�������ֶӵġ�С���к���] 857 00:59:19,488 --> 00:59:21,688 ����³˹,��ά��������������̽Ա�� 858 00:59:21,758 --> 00:59:25,360 - The 1990s was a very exciting time to be a DEA agent. ��20����90�������һ���dz������˷ܵ�ʱ�ڡ� 859 00:59:25,362 --> 00:59:28,697 I was looking forward to Mondays and it was a lot of fun. ���ڴ���ÿ����һ�ĵ��������кܶ����Ȥ�� 860 00:59:31,135 --> 00:59:33,201 It was just a normal day at the office, ��ֻ�ǰ칫����ƽ����һ�죬 861 00:59:33,203 --> 00:59:35,404 and we were working with a cooperating source, ���Ǻ�һ������������һ������ 862 00:59:35,472 --> 00:59:39,207 and this cooperating source was hoping for a reduction in his sentence. �������������ϣ�������ܻ�ü��̡� 863 00:59:39,209 --> 00:59:43,345 And the source asked if we'd ever heard of ecstasy. ���Ǹ����������ǣ��Ƿ���˵����ҡͷ�衱�� 864 00:59:43,413 --> 00:59:45,013 I didn't know what it was. �ҵ�ʱ��֪��������ʲô�� 865 00:59:45,015 --> 00:59:48,917 We provided an undercover address to send a sample of MDMA. �����ṩ��һ�����ܵ�ַ�����ż���һ��ҡͷ�������� 866 00:59:48,986 --> 00:59:53,622 Two or three days later,I checked,and inside the envelope was an ink pen. �������Ժ��Ҽ����һ�£��ŷ��ֻ��һ֧�ֱʡ� 867 01:00:07,838 --> 01:00:10,806 It was MDMA of very good quality. ���������dz��õġ�ҡͷ�衱�� 868 01:00:12,942 --> 01:00:17,579 Also during that phone call,this cooperating source indicated ���Ǵ�ͨ���У���λ���������˱�ʾ�� 869 01:00:17,581 --> 01:00:22,384 that there was an older gentleman he knew that was sitting on a kilogram of MDMA. ����ʶ��һλ�곤����ʿ��������һ����ҡͷ���ϡ� 870 01:00:22,386 --> 01:00:25,454 He was later identified as Peter Weber. ��������ȷ��Ϊ�˵á�Τ���� 871 01:00:29,959 --> 01:00:34,062 Peter Weber flew to Jacksonville, Florida,met with us, �˵á�Τ���ɵ���������ݵĽܿ�ѷά�������ǻ��棬 872 01:00:34,131 --> 01:00:37,466 and we subsequently arrested Weber. ��������������Τ���� 873 01:00:37,534 --> 01:00:42,571 we get a telephone call from his attorney saying that Mr. Weber would like to fully cooperate with us. ���ǽӵ�����ʦ�ĵ绰��˵Τ������Ը��ȫ��������ǡ� 874 01:00:44,274 --> 01:00:48,043 Apparently, Weber was a clairvoyant. ��Ȼ��Τ���Ǹ�ǧ���ۡ� 875 01:00:48,845 --> 01:00:50,345 So if you're so clairvoyant, �������ô�ж������� 876 01:00:51,348 --> 01:00:53,548 how come you didn't see us busting you in Jacksonville? ��ôû�����������ڽܿ�ѷά��ץ�㣿 877 01:00:53,617 --> 01:00:56,051 And Weber said he had the flu. Τ��˵���������С� 878 01:00:56,053 --> 01:00:59,154 - Sinuses interfere with the signals. -���������źš� 879 01:00:59,222 --> 01:01:01,223 (chuckling) - It's fact. [Ц��] -������ʵ�� 880 01:01:08,064 --> 01:01:11,533 Weber told us that Clegg was a former priest, Τ���������ǣ���������ǰ�Ǹ���ʦ�� 881 01:01:11,703 --> 01:01:14,369 and that he was the CEO,if you will. �����Ը����ô�ƺ����Ļ���������ϯִ�й١� 882 01:01:14,437 --> 01:01:16,971 He was the big guy of this MDMA organization. ���������ҡͷ�衱MDMA��֯�Ĵ���� 883 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,474 And he also identified several other players. ����ָ�����������������ߡ� 884 01:01:21,511 --> 01:01:25,580 He talked about a couple of chemists that worked for the organization. ��̸���˼���Ϊ����֯�����Ļ�ѧ�ҡ� 885 01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:28,883 At some point, Weber's information helped us ��ij�̶ֳ��ϣ�Τ������Ϣ�������� 886 01:01:28,952 --> 01:01:33,488 to identify the aircraft and also conduct an electronic surveillance of that aircraft. ʶ�����Ǽܷɻ��������Ǽܷɻ��������˵��Ӽ��ӡ� 887 01:01:33,490 --> 01:01:35,657 (electronic music) [��������] 888 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,700 (beeping) [������] 889 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:56,611 Weber told me that he had a SkyTel pager,a US-wide pager. Τ�������ң�����һ��SkyTel�Ƶ�Ѱ������һ��ȫ����Χ��Ѱ������ 890 01:01:56,613 --> 01:01:58,780 And we thought, hey,that's pretty super cool. �����룬�٣���̫���ˡ� 891 01:01:59,650 --> 01:02:03,318 We'd go meet Weber,take him to a pay phone, ����ȥ��Τ��������ȥ���õ绰�� 892 01:02:03,386 --> 01:02:07,956 and we would record calls to Clegg and other individuals. Ȼ��¼���˿�����������˵�ͨ���� 893 01:02:07,958 --> 01:02:12,394 Weber's phone calls led to undercover meetings in person, Τ���ĵ绰�ٳ������˵����ܻ��棬 894 01:02:12,462 --> 01:02:16,465 in which Clegg would totally incriminate himself and others. �������ڻ����У�����Լ��������˶������˷�ͥ�� 895 01:02:17,767 --> 01:02:20,902 - I need to know if there's anything I need to be worried about. -����Ҫ֪�����Ƿ���ʲô������Ҫ���ĵġ� 896 01:02:21,671 --> 01:02:23,204 - Here? - Yes! -����� -�ǵģ� 897 01:02:23,273 --> 01:02:24,873 I need Ross Peterson. ����Ҫ��˹���˵�ɭ�� 898 01:02:24,941 --> 01:02:26,374 - Ross Peterson? -��˹���˵�ɭ�� 899 01:02:28,879 --> 01:02:30,779 - Mmm... -��... 900 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,688 - Clegg talked about the organization. -������̸������֯�� 901 01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:43,658 They were all incriminated, and Clegg buried himself. ���Ƕ���ָ������������������Լ��� 902 01:02:43,660 --> 01:02:45,527 It was an illegal drug. ����һ�ַǷ�ҩ� 903 01:02:45,529 --> 01:02:49,331 They were breaking the law,and they had to be taken down. ���Ǵ����˷��ɣ�������������¡� 904 01:02:52,869 --> 01:02:58,406 (electronic dance music) [��������] ��λ�ڰ�����³÷觵�ʵ���ң� 905 01:02:58,474 --> 01:03:00,142 - Whoa. Slow down. -�ۡ�˵��һЩ���� 906 01:03:04,380 --> 01:03:05,547 What? ʲô�� 907 01:03:05,615 --> 01:03:11,286 Michael told all of us that, definitively, MDMA was still legal in Brazil. ���˶��������ǣ�ҡͷ��(MDMA)�ڰ��������ǺϷ��ġ� 908 01:03:11,288 --> 01:03:13,488 Trouble is, this was before the internet. �����ǣ������ڻ���������֮ǰ�� 909 01:03:14,691 --> 01:03:19,127 Werner has gotten some feedback from attorneys about the status of MDMA in Brazil. ά���ɴ���ʦ����õ���һЩ���ڣ�ҡͷ���ڰ�����״���ķ����� ��ά����.����¶��� 910 01:03:20,163 --> 01:03:22,230 In May of 1990, ��1990�����£� 911 01:03:22,299 --> 01:03:25,867 he came back and said,"I have bad news. ������˵�������и�����Ϣ�� 912 01:03:26,103 --> 01:03:30,138 This drug is not legal in Brazil." ������ҩ���ڰ������ǷǷ����ˡ��� ������.����ɭ���л���ѧ�ң� 913 01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:35,476 So I said,"I'm not willing to take a risk of doing anything illegal, are you?" And he said, no, no way. ������˵�����Ҳ�Ը��ð����Υ�����£����أ��� ��˵�������������ܡ��� 914 01:03:35,479 --> 01:03:38,646 -I'm not going firm until we know the status. -������֪�����֮ǰ�����Dz���ȷ���ġ� 915 01:03:38,649 --> 01:03:41,050 We can ship it to somewhere where it's still legal and finish it there, OK? ���ǿ��԰����˵��Ϸ��ĵط�Ȼ����������ɣ����� 916 01:03:41,150 --> 01:03:44,452 - Hey, we're working on that.We're moving the operation to Africa. -�٣�����������취������Ҫ�ѻ���ת�Ƶ����ޡ� 917 01:03:44,454 --> 01:03:45,486 - Africa? -���ޣ� 918 01:03:45,555 --> 01:03:47,121 James is one of the smugglers, ղķ˹����˽��֮һ�� 919 01:03:47,124 --> 01:03:48,823 so he goes to West Africa, ������ȥ�����ǣ� 920 01:03:48,826 --> 01:03:51,125 is introduced to the prime minister, �����ܸ������� ������.����˹��������ͳ�� 921 01:03:51,128 --> 01:03:54,229 turns the prime minister and his wife on to MDMA, ���������������ӽӴ�ҡͷ�裬 922 01:03:54,231 --> 01:03:55,997 and just like Noriega, ����ŵ�м������� 923 01:03:56,066 --> 01:03:59,000 they're excited about the idea of psychedelic tourism ���Ƕ��Ի����ε��뷨�е��˷ܣ� 924 01:03:59,068 --> 01:04:04,439 and invite to manufacture MDMA in Ghana under their protection. ���������������ǵı����£��ڼ�������ҡͷ�衣 925 01:04:04,441 --> 01:04:06,140 And now Paulina's pissed ���ڣ������Ⱥ������� 926 01:04:06,209 --> 01:04:09,344 that they haven't got anything to show for all the money that they put in so far, ��Ϊ����Ͷ������ô��Ǯ����ĿǰΪֹ��û���κγɹ��� 927 01:04:09,346 --> 01:04:12,581 so they begged and pleaded with me to make some MDMA for them. ���ԣ����ǿ����Ҹ����ǣ���һЩҡͷ�衣 928 01:04:14,584 --> 01:04:17,518 So I wrestled with that for quite a while. ���ԣ��Ҿ����˺ܳ�ʱ�䡣 929 01:04:17,521 --> 01:04:19,754 I decided to go ahead and make some MDMA, �Ҿ�����������һЩҡͷ�裬 930 01:04:19,822 --> 01:04:26,828 which was supposed to help fund the project legally in Western Africa at that point. �Ȿ����Ϊ�ˣ������ǺϷ��أ�Ϊ�����Ŀ�ṩ�ʽ� 931 01:04:26,830 --> 01:04:29,831 It worked better on a lab scale than it did on scale-up. ����ʵ���ҹ�ģ�ϣ����ڹ�ģ��Ч�����á� 932 01:04:29,899 --> 01:04:31,066 There were some problems. ��һЩ���⡣ 933 01:04:31,702 --> 01:04:38,673 April of '91, I hear that Paulina was disturbed that things weren't happening faster in Brazil. 91��4�£�����˵�������ȶ԰����������չ�������е������� 934 01:04:38,675 --> 01:04:42,878 So she needed Michael to go back in to try to make amends with Carina. ���ԣ�����Ҫ���˶���ȥ���������������Ǹ�� 935 01:04:42,978 --> 01:04:44,578 1991�ꡣ������ 936 01:04:44,648 --> 01:04:47,883 - Michael Clegg came to visit s in Lake Tahoe. -���˶������������������ιۡ� 937 01:04:48,852 --> 01:04:55,523 We opened our home,and I was actually mad and furious at Walt for having done that.��������.��ά��������ѧ�ң� ���Ǵ��˼��ţ��Ҷ��ֶ�����ô������������ 938 01:04:55,525 --> 01:04:59,894 Michael Clegg was still in the sales operation of MDMA, ���˶����������ڴ���ҡͷ������۹����� 939 01:04:59,897 --> 01:05:02,931 and we had to kind of protect ourselves. �����DZ��뱣���Լ��� 940 01:05:03,633 --> 01:05:08,002 Walt and I had this line that there would be no nexus to the United States. ���غ���˵��������������������κ���ϵ�ˡ� 941 01:05:08,005 --> 01:05:10,571 Well, I'm sorry you made this trip for nothing. �ܱ�Ǹ�����������һ�ˡ� 942 01:05:10,574 --> 01:05:11,773 - Carina. -�����ȡ� 943 01:05:12,575 --> 01:05:16,745 - Good. Listen,the past is in the past. -�ܺá����ţ���ȥ�ģ���������ȥ�ɡ� 944 01:05:16,813 --> 01:05:19,180 I'm ready to move on if you are. �������Ը�⣬��Ҳ׼������ǰ���ˡ� 945 01:05:19,182 --> 01:05:25,220 If you agree,then you come on board,you do your work, you get paid, you leave. �����ͬ�⣬��ô��ͼ��룬������Ĺ�������õ����꣬����뿪�� 946 01:05:27,424 --> 01:05:28,490 - OK. -�ðɡ� 947 01:05:29,693 --> 01:05:33,061 - There's no one who does exactly like what you do. -û���˺������ģ���ȫһ���� 948 01:05:34,097 --> 01:05:35,630 - There's a chemist down there. -�DZ��и���ѧ�ҡ� 949 01:05:35,699 --> 01:05:39,767 He's had three years down the line and there's no product. ���Ѿ����������ˣ���û�в�Ʒ�� 950 01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:41,770 - Michael told her all these... -���˶�����������Щ... 951 01:05:42,638 --> 01:05:46,040 stories that I couldn't get the product to crystallize, ˵��û���ò�Ʒ�ᾧ�� 952 01:05:46,109 --> 01:05:48,376 that I was a burnt-out hippie from the 60s, ˵����60�������Ƥʿ�� 953 01:05:48,445 --> 01:05:49,711 all this kind of stuff. �������ġ� 954 01:05:49,713 --> 01:05:51,579 (sighing) - So... [̾Ϣ] -��ô... 955 01:05:51,648 --> 01:05:52,914 what'll it take? Ҫ��ô���� 956 01:05:59,555 --> 01:06:01,723 - Michael made the statement, -���˶�������˵�ģ� 957 01:06:01,725 --> 01:06:03,958 if it's $3 million that you want, �������Ҫ300����Ԫ�� 958 01:06:04,027 --> 01:06:05,327 then so be it. �Ǿ͸���ɡ� 959 01:06:05,963 --> 01:06:08,697 That's what I'm gonna offer you to go to Brazil. �������Ҫ�����Ǯ������ȥ������ 960 01:06:10,468 --> 01:06:12,700 - I can do three. -�ҿ��԰������˸�Ǯ�� 961 01:06:12,803 --> 01:06:15,570 - I wasn't sure if I was already pregnant at this time, I said, -�Ҳ�ȷ���ҵ�ʱ�Ƿ��Ѿ������ˣ���˵�� 962 01:06:15,572 --> 01:06:17,072 I have to make a decision. �ұ������������� 963 01:06:17,140 --> 01:06:18,806 So I decided to go. ���ǣ��Ҿ���ȥ�� 964 01:06:19,710 --> 01:06:21,075 It's in Brazil. �����ڰ����� 965 01:06:21,244 --> 01:06:24,279 It's my faint hope that maybe it's legal there. ��ϣ����Ҳ����������ǺϷ��ġ� 966 01:06:25,582 --> 01:06:27,449 (lively music) [���������] 967 01:06:41,765 --> 01:06:44,799 I had, like, a guardian when I went to Brazil. ����ȥ������ʱ������һ���໤�ˡ� 968 01:06:44,801 --> 01:06:46,834 And Michael said,You're going to go with someone. ���˶�˵����Ҫ�ͱ���һ��ȥ�� 969 01:06:46,837 --> 01:06:49,604 He would not let Walt travel with me. �������ֶ��غ���һ�����С� 970 01:06:49,606 --> 01:06:54,275 You have to expand the surface area at a higher ratio when crystallizing. �������ᾧ����ʱ��������Ը��ߵı��������������� 971 01:06:54,277 --> 01:06:58,846 And I looked at it, and it was almost like in polymer form, you know, like taffy form. �ҿ��������������Ǿۺ������ʽ��������̫���ǵ������� 972 01:06:58,849 --> 01:07:03,117 It wasn't a liquid,and it wasn't a crystal. ������Һ�壬Ҳ���Ǿ��塣 973 01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,186 It was somewhere in between. ��������֮�䡣 974 01:07:05,254 --> 01:07:07,321 - She was very hostile. -�����е��⡣ 975 01:07:07,324 --> 01:07:11,826 She was putting pressure on me to get all the lab notebooks and production records. ������ʩ��ѹ����Ҫ���õ����е�ʵ��ʼǺ�������¼�� 976 01:07:11,828 --> 01:07:15,630 And I couldn't understand why she was so insistent at the time, �Ҳ����ף�����ʱΪʲô��ô��֣� 977 01:07:15,632 --> 01:07:18,233 and I knew that what they wanted to do was push me aside. ��֪�������������ľ��ǣ������Ƶ�һ�ߡ� 978 01:07:18,869 --> 01:07:22,470 Making MDMA isn't the issue. ����ҡͷ�裬�������⡣ 979 01:07:24,808 --> 01:07:29,243 After the first night of hostility, I asked her if she wanted to take MDMA. �ڵ�һ���������������֮���������Ƿ���Ҫ����ҡͷ�衣 980 01:07:29,312 --> 01:07:33,047 And immediately, as soon as she started feeling the effects, ��һ��ʼ�о���ҩЧ�� 981 01:07:33,116 --> 01:07:34,582 she let her guard down, �����̷����˾��裬 982 01:07:34,651 --> 01:07:37,885 and she wasn't acting like Michael's henchman anymore. �����������˶����ĸ��ˡ� 983 01:07:37,888 --> 01:07:40,255 I was drawing her in to be more on my side. ��������£��������վ������ߡ� 984 01:07:40,323 --> 01:07:43,024 Still wasn't ready to share all my secrets with her, though. ���һ�û׼���ã����������ҵ����ܡ� 985 01:07:43,026 --> 01:07:47,829 - I said, how do you crystallize? And he was doing a wet crystallization process. -��˵��������ô�ᾧ�ģ�����ȴ������ʪ���ᾧ�IJ��衣 986 01:07:47,897 --> 01:07:50,732 I said, let's do gas. ��˵�����������������塣 987 01:07:52,001 --> 01:07:57,338 So we succeeded, and I did see that the crystals were generated. ���ǣ����dzɹ��ˣ���ȷʵ�������������ˡ� 988 01:07:58,508 --> 01:08:05,313 The Brazilian operation yielded 150 kilograms of MDMA for Michael Clegg. �������ж���Ϊ���˶����������ջ��ˣ�150���ҡͷ�衱�� 989 01:08:05,381 --> 01:08:08,883 On the streets, that value is $50 million. �ڽ����ϣ������ֵ��5000����Ԫ�� 990 01:08:09,652 --> 01:08:13,921 And illegality is,you know, right here. ���ҷǷ��ԣ���֪����������� 991 01:08:13,924 --> 01:08:16,424 So it's facing all of us, right? ���ԣ������������������˵ģ��԰ɣ� 992 01:08:16,426 --> 01:08:19,360 - Everything that was made in Brazil ended up in Europe. -�����ڰ�������Ķ��������ն�����ŷ�ޡ� 993 01:08:19,362 --> 01:08:21,462 It had its own momentum from that point on. ����ʱ�����������Լ��Ķ����� 994 01:08:21,531 --> 01:08:23,865 I really wasn't doing that much marketing. �����û������̫����г�Ӫ���� 995 01:08:23,867 --> 01:08:26,868 We shipped it over there. We shipped it legally. ���ǰ����˵���������ǵ������ǺϷ��ġ� 996 01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:29,437 You know, we declared it.No problem. ��֪���������Ѿ��걨�ˡ�û�����⡣ 997 01:08:32,341 --> 01:08:34,909 I went to a different disco every night. ��ÿ�����ϣ���ȥ��ͬ�ĵ�˹�������� 998 01:08:35,845 --> 01:08:39,147 We would bring it in and give it away free. ���ǻ������������������ˡ� 999 01:08:39,215 --> 01:08:40,915 Everybody get high. ��Ҷ��������ˡ� 1000 01:08:41,684 --> 01:08:45,253 And then the next day,everybody was saying,where can I get this? Ȼ��ڶ��죬ÿ���˶����ʣ��Ҵ������ܵõ������ 1001 01:08:45,321 --> 01:08:49,157 That was great.Basically, I traveled around Europe. ������ĺܴ󡣻����ϣ��һ�����ŷ�ޡ� 1002 01:08:49,225 --> 01:08:53,828 It was the celebrity of the century. �����˱����͵ġ����ˡ��� 1003 01:08:53,896 --> 01:08:56,498 And everywhere you went, �����㵽��� 1004 01:08:57,333 --> 01:09:00,401 you were more welcome than God himself. �㶼�ᶼ���ϵۣ����ܻ�ӭ�� 1005 01:09:01,638 --> 01:09:05,907 - But we need to be vigilant with our supply at least until Brazil is in full operation. -�������ڰ���ȫ��ʵʩ֮ǰ��������Ҫ�����ǵĹ�Ӧ���־��衣 1006 01:09:07,377 --> 01:09:09,477 - Millions of dollars flown through it. -��������Ԫͨ���������˳�ȥ�� 1007 01:09:10,246 --> 01:09:14,149 A playboy's hands is not a good...thing for marriage. һ���������ӵ��֣��Ի�����˵...����һ������ 1008 01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:18,853 I was not a good husband. �Ҳ��Ǹ����ɷ� 1009 01:09:18,922 --> 01:09:22,089 I was too busy promoting ecstasy. ��æ������ҡͷ�衣 1010 01:09:22,092 --> 01:09:24,825 It was fun for a while, but again, like everything in life, ��һ��ʱ�䣬����Ȥ�����ǣ����������е���������һ���� 1011 01:09:24,894 --> 01:09:26,527 it wears off, you know, it... ��������ʧ����֪������... 1012 01:09:26,530 --> 01:09:28,830 It's not so much fun later on. ֮�󣬾�û��ô��Ȥ�ˡ� 1013 01:09:35,805 --> 01:09:40,474 - Paulina told me she wanted a divorce because Michael would go through these episodes, -�����ȸ�����������飬��Ϊ���˶��ᾭ����Щʱ�ڣ� 1014 01:09:40,477 --> 01:09:43,177 from mania to severe depression, �ӿ��굽���������� 1015 01:09:43,180 --> 01:09:44,979 where he would drink himself into oblivion. ������Լ��ȵ����������� 1016 01:09:44,981 --> 01:09:46,681 He was definitely falling apart. ���϶�Ҫ�����ˡ� 1017 01:09:46,749 --> 01:09:51,619 And I'd never seen anybody drink so much, even when he was taking MDMA. �Ҵ���û�������˺���ô�࣬��ʹ���ڷ���ҡͷ���ʱ�� 1018 01:09:52,222 --> 01:09:57,559 - When I had the most money and the most toys, I was the most unhappy in my whole life. -����ӵ������Ǯ���������ʱ������һ��������ֵ�ʱ�� 1019 01:09:57,627 --> 01:09:59,760 I wished it would all stop, ��ϣ����һ�ж���ֹͣ�� 1020 01:09:59,829 --> 01:10:03,297 you know, and just let us...keep what we got and settle down. ������...��ס���ǵIJƲ������������� 1021 01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:05,433 I wanted to get off the merry-go-round. �������תľ���������� 1022 01:10:05,435 --> 01:10:07,168 I just couldn't. It was too big. �Ҿ�������������̫���ˡ� 1023 01:10:09,138 --> 01:10:11,973 Please allow this body to relax completely, ���������������ȫ���ɣ� 1024 01:10:12,041 --> 01:10:15,043 and please advise us when this has been accomplished. ���뽨�����ǣ���ʱ��ɡ� 1025 01:10:15,712 --> 01:10:17,545 - It is. -�������ġ� 1026 01:10:18,582 --> 01:10:22,483 - And he thought that they could tap into the spirit world to find out -����Ϊ���ǿ��Խ���������磬���ҳ� 1027 01:10:22,485 --> 01:10:25,253 why nothing was working right in the operation. Ϊʲô�����ж�����˳���� 1028 01:10:26,723 --> 01:10:33,761 - Peter Weber was being paid by the DEA $2,700 a month to point out where everyone is. -�˵á�Τ��ÿ�´Ӽ�������2700��Ԫ����ָ��ÿ���˵�λ�á� 1029 01:10:35,331 --> 01:10:38,733 - I found a microcassette tape. -���ҵ���һ����΢�ͺ�ʽ�Ŵ�¼������ 1030 01:10:38,735 --> 01:10:45,840 I could hear an individual who I knew to be Peter Weber in some type of trance. ��������һ���˵���������֪�����DZ˵á�Τ���������е��㱡� 1031 01:10:45,842 --> 01:10:49,910 And he's very asthmatic,so Weber was very easy to identify. �����������ص�����������Τ�������ױ��ϳ����� (��³˹.��ά��������������̽) 1032 01:10:49,913 --> 01:10:54,449 And people were asking him questions, specifically Michael Clegg. ���Ƕ����������⣬���������˶��������� 1033 01:10:54,517 --> 01:10:56,951 - Give us the name once more, please. -���ٸ�������һ�飬�Ǹ����֡� 1034 01:10:57,020 --> 01:10:58,653 - Robert McMillen. -�޲��ء�������� 1035 01:10:58,721 --> 01:11:01,922 - Specifically, they talked about an individual named Bob McMillen, -������˵������̸����һ�����б�����������׵��ˣ� 1036 01:11:01,925 --> 01:11:06,261 who was the number one buyer for Clegg's MDMA in the United States. ���ǿ������ҡͷ�裬��������ͷ����ҡ� 1037 01:11:07,163 --> 01:11:13,134 And McMillen had apparently got arrested by DEA somewhere out west and was serving time in prison. ���������Ȼ��������ij���ط����������ִ��������ڼ������̡� 1038 01:11:13,202 --> 01:11:18,306 It was obvious that Clegg wanted to know if McMillen was cooperating with authorities. He was worried. �����ԣ���������֪������������Ƿ��뵱�ֺ��������ܵ��ġ� 1039 01:11:19,075 --> 01:11:22,977 It was just crazy stuff,but it was totally incriminating. ��Щ�䶼��Щ�����¶�������ȫ����֤�� 1040 01:11:23,013 --> 01:11:24,113 ����ʵ¼���� 1041 01:11:24,213 --> 01:11:29,617 - Would he also be a danger to us in our financial dealings in Europe? -��Ҳ���������ŷ�޵Ľ��ڽ��ף�������в�� 1042 01:11:29,685 --> 01:11:33,488 - Understand you this,in any relationship that is established, -��Ҫ���ף����κ��Ѿ������Ĺ����У� 1043 01:11:34,490 --> 01:11:37,458 it is always a relationship that is deserved. ���ֹ���������ֵ�õġ� 1044 01:11:37,658 --> 01:11:40,158 ��1992�꣬ʥ���������� 1045 01:11:44,668 --> 01:11:47,402 - I stopped in California. -���ڼ���ͣ��һ�¡� 1046 01:11:48,170 --> 01:11:50,271 I was staying out of the State. ����ʱһֱס������ݡ� 1047 01:11:50,340 --> 01:11:51,605 I wasn't having anything to do. ����ʱû�б���¿����� 1048 01:11:51,608 --> 01:11:53,107 I just had to refuel. ��ֻ��Ҫ�Ӹ��͡� 1049 01:11:54,877 --> 01:11:56,610 I flew in. Actually, �ҷɻ����˽�ȥ����ʵ�� 1050 01:11:56,679 --> 01:11:58,379 I had my little Jack Russell Terrier with me. �Ҵ����ҵģ���С�ܿ����ع���Ȯ�� 1051 01:11:58,447 --> 01:12:00,014 (police sirens) [���Ѻ�Х] 1052 01:12:00,083 --> 01:12:02,283 (dramatic music) [Ϸ���Ե�����] 1053 01:12:05,955 --> 01:12:07,522 - DEA! Hands up! -�����𣡾��������� 1054 01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:09,791 You're under arrest, Clegg. �㱻���ˣ������� 1055 01:12:11,027 --> 01:12:14,595 We decided to go ahead and effect arrest of Clegg. ���Ǿ�����ȡ�ж������������� 1056 01:12:15,599 --> 01:12:18,132 - They had the whole police force out there. -����ȥ�Ƕ������������о����� 1057 01:12:18,134 --> 01:12:19,800 It was quite a shock. �����Һ��𾪡� 1058 01:12:19,803 --> 01:12:21,502 They were doing a victory danc. ���ǵ������� 1059 01:12:21,504 --> 01:12:25,373 You know, I'm on the ground with my hands handcuffed behind my back. ��֪���������ڵ��ϣ�˫�ֱ����ڱ��� 1060 01:12:26,976 --> 01:12:31,310 It's like they got Al Capone or something. ��������ץ�˰���������ʲô�ġ� ��1920-30������������������ĺڰ�ͷĿ������˽���P�������У� 1061 01:12:31,514 --> 01:12:35,416 That's why it was such an... incredible fall �����Ϊʲô��������˵�...����˼��� 1062 01:12:36,185 --> 01:12:37,485 into nothingness. �������ޡ� 1063 01:12:39,789 --> 01:12:41,723 - Around the time -��Լ���Ǹ�ʱ�� 1064 01:12:41,791 --> 01:12:46,861 that he's getting busted is around the time where the FDA opens the door to psychedelic research. ����ץ��ʱ�䣬�����Ǽ�������Ի�ҩ�о����������ŵ�ʱ�� 1065 01:12:46,863 --> 01:12:50,797 (pop music) [��������] (���ݴ�ѧ��ɼ����У�������о���������ѧ���ڣ����˹.���޲�) 1066 01:12:50,801 --> 01:12:52,900 - I get a call -�ҽӵ�һ���绰�� 1067 01:12:52,969 --> 01:12:59,974 from someone who says, Well,you probably don't know me or don't know who I am,but my name is Rick Doblin. �绰��ͷ˵������ܲ���ʶ�ң����߲�֪������˭���ҽ���ˡ��಼�֡� 1068 01:12:59,976 --> 01:13:07,148 He asked if I had any interest in conducting research, clinical research with MDMA. �������Ƿ�����Ȥ�����о�����ҡͷ������ٴ��о��� 1069 01:13:07,150 --> 01:13:08,883 And I said, absolutely. ��˵����Ȼ���ԡ� 1070 01:13:08,885 --> 01:13:11,753 This looks like a fascinating compound. �⿴��������һ�����˵Ļ���� 1071 01:13:11,821 --> 01:13:14,355 I wrote up the protocol. ��д����Э�顣 1072 01:13:14,357 --> 01:13:18,760 This was essentially a phase one study ��������Ǵ���һ������һ�׶ε��о��� 1073 01:13:18,828 --> 01:13:27,201 designed to explore safety and physiological and psychological effects in normal volunteers. ּ��̽������������־Ը�ߵģ���ȫ�Ժ������������ϵ�Ӱ�졣 1074 01:13:27,203 --> 01:13:32,239 The FDA convened in mid-July 1992. ����������FDA��1992��7����Ѯ���ٿ����顣 1075 01:13:32,242 --> 01:13:37,879 They debated my protocol and we were formally approved. �����������ҵķ�����������ʽͨ���ˡ� 1076 01:13:38,647 --> 01:13:40,381 - What the hell just happened? -�ղŷ���ʲô���ˣ� 1077 01:13:41,517 --> 01:13:43,417 It just felt like... ��ֻ�Ǿ���... 1078 01:13:43,420 --> 01:13:47,021 multiple decades of suppression of research had ended. ��ʮ�������о���ѹ�ƣ������ˡ� 1079 01:13:47,023 --> 01:13:49,123 When I look back right now, -�������ڻ��������� 1080 01:13:49,191 --> 01:13:55,797 that was the critical moment in the entire history over the last 50 years of psychedelics. ���ǹ�ȥ50���Ի�ҩ��ʷ�ϵģ��ؼ�ʱ�̡� 1081 01:13:57,734 --> 01:14:00,868 - We walked to the remote part of the parking lot. -�����ߵ�ͣ������ƫƧ���� 1082 01:14:00,937 --> 01:14:02,403 No one could see us there. ���Ƕ�û���ܿ������ǡ� 1083 01:14:02,405 --> 01:14:05,973 And Rick took out a joint,and we had a celebratory smoke. ����ó��˴����̣����dz���һ֧����ʾ��ף�� 1084 01:14:06,042 --> 01:14:07,809 (upbeat music) [���ֵ�����] 1085 01:14:08,744 --> 01:14:10,144 - Good work, Doc. -�ɵ�Ư������ʿ�� 1086 01:14:10,146 --> 01:14:11,779 - Great work, Dob. -�����ģ������� 1087 01:14:16,619 --> 01:14:18,653 - They wanted a life sentence -����������һ����������� 1088 01:14:19,555 --> 01:14:21,656 for that, life without parole. Ϊ�ˣ������ü��͡� 1089 01:14:22,759 --> 01:14:26,427 - And I told them, I said, well,I won't fight this in court. -�Ҹ������ǣ���˵���ðɣ��Ҳ����ڷ�ͥ�Ͽ���ġ� 1090 01:14:26,496 --> 01:14:30,097 I'll cooperate with you if you give her a pass. ������ǷŹ������Ҿ͸����Ǻ����� 1091 01:14:30,166 --> 01:14:35,002 They went after her in a big way. They called her the Queen Bee. ���Ƕ�����׷���ᡣ���dz���Ϊ���������� 1092 01:14:36,872 --> 01:14:39,841 - It's their opportunityto tell us everything. -������̹��һ�У������ǵĻ��ᡣ 1093 01:14:41,277 --> 01:14:45,112 It'll probably take you a while, so get started on your list of associates. �����Ҫ����ʱ�䣬���ԣ���ʼ�г�������������ɡ� 1094 01:14:45,114 --> 01:14:51,585 - I gave away all the assets, too,and got my wife free,free and clear. -��Ҳ���������еIJƲ������ҵ����������ˣ����ɶ���ס� 1095 01:14:51,588 --> 01:14:54,054 When they found out the whole story, ������֪���������ȫ�������� 1096 01:14:54,523 --> 01:14:56,590 they couldn't touch her. ���ǾͲ��������ˡ� 1097 01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:05,699 (sorrowful music) [���˵�����] 1098 01:15:05,768 --> 01:15:07,735 (police sirens) [���Ѻ�Х] 1099 01:15:10,673 --> 01:15:12,373 (sobbing) [����] 1100 01:15:13,676 --> 01:15:18,279 - I was appalled that he didn't spare me, -�Һ��𾪣���û�зŹ��ң� 1101 01:15:18,281 --> 01:15:23,150 and that I was the one that kind of gave him success. �����ң����������ˡ����֡��ɹ��� 1102 01:15:23,152 --> 01:15:26,220 I was really disappointed in that. ����ĶԴˣ���ʧ���� 1103 01:15:27,857 --> 01:15:31,859 Michael Clegg gave me up to spare Paulina. ���˶���������Ϊ�˱����ȣ��������ҡ� 1104 01:15:32,495 --> 01:15:36,163 When I got arrested,Pauline went to Rick for help. �ұ����󣬱���ȥ����˰�æ�� 1105 01:15:37,500 --> 01:15:41,802 And they put up an incredible legal defense. ��������ˣ������������ŵģ����ɱ绤�� 1106 01:15:41,804 --> 01:15:45,573 I didn't have that much to do with his defense. �Ҹ����ı绤��û����ϵ�� 1107 01:15:45,575 --> 01:15:51,646 But by this point in time,we were trying to make everything that we did research public. �������ʱ��������ͼ�����������������о������������ڡ� 1108 01:15:52,281 --> 01:15:56,350 I thought it just was another tragedy, in a way, ��ij�̶ֳ��ϣ�����Ϊ��ֻ����һ�����磬 1109 01:15:56,418 --> 01:16:01,289 because the way I viewed it is,a lot of people are benefiting ��Ϊ���ҿ����������˴��������ˣ� 1110 01:16:02,424 --> 01:16:05,826 from having access to ecstasy. �������֡���ϲ���л����ˡ� 1111 01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:12,199 There is irony that Michael's donation of the MDMA created the resources ���з�����ζ���ǣ������Ǵ����˶�����84�����츽����ҡͷ�裬 1112 01:16:12,201 --> 01:16:17,605 to do an initial safety study in the summer of '84. Ϊ������еİ�ȫ���о����ṩ����Դ�� 1113 01:16:17,673 --> 01:16:24,345 Then, starting in '92,we were able to do this dose response safety study. Ȼ�󣬴�1992�꿪ʼ�������ܹ�����������ġ���Ӧ��ȫ�ԡ��о��� 1114 01:16:24,347 --> 01:16:27,214 - Dr. Grob, we have an issue. -���޲���ʿ�����dz���״���ˡ� 1115 01:16:27,216 --> 01:16:29,350 - She said, Dr. Grob, I have a problem. -��˵�����޲�ҽ�������и����⡣ 1116 01:16:29,352 --> 01:16:33,887 I said, well, what's that? She says, my nurses are spending too much time with your subjects. ��˵������ʲô����˵���ҵĻ�ʿ��������о��������ϣ�����̫��ʱ�䡣 1117 01:16:33,890 --> 01:16:40,194 So evidently, my subjects were keenly interested in the life histories of their nurses. ��Ȼ���ҵ��о������ǶԸ�����ʿ������ʷ�����dz�����Ȥ�� 1118 01:16:40,196 --> 01:16:43,164 So these subjects were, you know, ���ԣ���Щ�о�������֪���� 1119 01:16:43,799 --> 01:16:45,933 were very empathic, ���ֳ��dz��ġ�ͬ���ķ�Ӧ���� 1120 01:16:46,035 --> 01:16:49,003 which is one of the salient features of MDMA. ����MDMA����������֮һ�� 1121 01:16:49,071 --> 01:16:51,305 - What was helpful to Michael -�����˶��������ǣ� 1122 01:16:51,374 --> 01:16:58,145 was the early study that we did and also the way in which we had started challenging the neurotoxicity ���������������о����Լ����ǿ�ʼ��ս�񾭶��Եķ�ʽ�� 1123 01:16:59,181 --> 01:17:06,320 and also all these stories of people that had incredible therapeutic benefits. �Լ�������Щ�о�����İ��������������������ŵ�����Ч���� 1124 01:17:06,389 --> 01:17:12,359 When we think of the number of veterans that have committed suicide, the number of people that have committed suicide from PTSD, �������뵽��ɱ������������������˺�Ӧ���ϰ�����ɱ�������� 1125 01:17:12,428 --> 01:17:14,428 the number of people suffering, ��Щ����ʹ��������� 1126 01:17:14,496 --> 01:17:18,532 there's just an enormous amount of suffering that could have been avoided ����ô����ʹ����ˣ����DZ����Եõ����⣬ 1127 01:17:19,835 --> 01:17:24,304 if the DEA had never criminalized MDMA. �����������û�н����Ǽ׻�˫����������MDMA����Ϊ����ҩ� 1128 01:17:26,204 --> 01:17:30,004 ���ն˵�������ͽ�������� 1129 01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,547 (unsettling music) [���˲���������] 1130 01:17:33,616 --> 01:17:39,953 - They picked the worst, most violent prison in the whole system, which was Terminal Island in Long Beach. -����ѡ��������˾��ϵͳ�У�����⣬����ļ�����λ�ڳ�̲���ն˵��� 1131 01:17:39,956 --> 01:17:42,156 That's where they sentenced me to do my five years. �Ҿ�������������������ġ� 1132 01:17:42,925 --> 01:17:47,895 I was fearing for my life every minute I was in there. I mean, it was violent. ���������ÿһ���ӣ����ڵ����ҵ�������ȫ������˵������ܱ����� 1133 01:17:48,564 --> 01:17:52,233 Stepping over bodies occasionally, you know. ż����Ҫ���ʬ�壬����õ��� 1134 01:17:55,638 --> 01:18:00,307 - Incarceration was one of the toughest things I've ever faced in my entire life. -��μ��������һ���������ٵģ�����ѵ�����֮һ�� 1135 01:18:01,644 --> 01:18:06,747 So I essentially raised my spirituality to survive. ���ԣ��һ�����������ҵľ������ԣ��ŵ������������� ��������ͷ�����Ʒ������6������ 1136 01:18:06,947 --> 01:18:08,947 ������2�꣩ 1137 01:18:09,447 --> 01:18:11,947 �������������ݣ��¶�Ϫ���������� 1138 01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:16,790 - I do my time in the state prison in Mule Creek. -����λ���¶�Ϫ�������������̡� 1139 01:18:16,859 --> 01:18:18,759 So I thought I was free. ���ԣ��һ���Ϊ���������ˡ� 1140 01:18:18,761 --> 01:18:21,362 They sent me to Jacksonville. �����ְ����͵��˽ܿ�ѷά���� 1141 01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:24,865 And lo and behold, there was Michael. �ӳ��˼���ڣ�����Ϊ���˶��� 1142 01:18:24,934 --> 01:18:29,136 I got a call from the prosecutr in Jacksonville, and he said, �ܿ�ѷά�����ٴ������ң���˵�� 1143 01:18:29,138 --> 01:18:31,505 Here's what Michael said. ������һ�ݣ����˶��Ĺ��ʡ� 1144 01:18:31,941 --> 01:18:33,474 And I couldn't believe it. �Ҽ�ֱ�������š� 1145 01:18:33,542 --> 01:18:36,844 I was just stunned, you know? I was stunned. �Ҽ�ֱ�����ˣ���֪�����Ҿ����ˡ� 1146 01:18:36,846 --> 01:18:40,014 Michael,we haven't worked together for years. ���˶������Ǻü���û�����ˡ� 1147 01:18:40,082 --> 01:18:43,684 Don't be sorry.You tell them we don't work together anymore. �����ҵ�Ǹ����ȥ�������ǣ����Dz��ٺ����ˡ� 1148 01:18:43,753 --> 01:18:45,586 He just bowed his head. ��ֻ�ǵ�����ͷ�� 1149 01:18:45,654 --> 01:18:46,987 - I'm sorry, Bob. -�Һܱ�Ǹ�������� 1150 01:18:47,055 --> 01:18:50,624 - And I realized he was trying to set me up. -����ʶ��������Ҫ�ݺ��ҡ� 1151 01:18:50,626 --> 01:18:53,994 He was trying to get his get out of jail card. �������õ������ij���֤���� 1152 01:18:53,996 --> 01:18:57,364 Before I left,I had a day with him. �����뿪֮ǰ���Һ�������һ�졣 1153 01:18:57,366 --> 01:18:58,566 And... ����... 1154 01:19:00,269 --> 01:19:03,170 you know, I had lots of feelings going on. ��֪�������кܶ���顣 1155 01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,306 I feel sorry for you. ��Ϊ��е��ѹ��� ��������������ҡͷ�裬�����4�꣩ 1156 01:19:07,643 --> 01:19:13,714 You know, it's a shame that...that he's putting all these good people away. �㿴������ô�޳�...������Щ���ˣ����ͽ��˼����� 1157 01:19:20,556 --> 01:19:24,124 But you don't know who I'm talking to and what they've told us. ���㲻֪�������ڸ�˭˵����Ҳ��֪�������Ǹ���������ʲô�� 1158 01:19:24,127 --> 01:19:27,762 And we're gonna find out if you're lying. It's gonna come out,and it's gonna hurt you. ���ǻ���������Dz��������ѡ�����ˮ��ʯ���ģ������˺�����ġ� 1159 01:19:29,631 --> 01:19:33,767 Clegg did what he was supposed to do.That is, fully cooperate. �����������������ġ�Ҳ����˵��ȫ������� 1160 01:19:33,836 --> 01:19:38,271 And there is no in-between cooperation. You either do it or you don't. û�С���̤��ֻ�����ĺ�����Ҫô����Ҫô������ 1161 01:19:41,077 --> 01:19:47,614 - It got so bad that I was trying to get the orderlies to bring me the cord, -�����ã��Ƶ�����ͼ�ÿ��أ���������һ�����ߣ� 1162 01:19:47,617 --> 01:19:51,418 the extension cord for the vacuum cleaner, because I was going to hang myself. ������������ӳ��ߣ���Ϊ��Ҫ�ϵ���ɱ�ˡ� 1163 01:19:51,487 --> 01:19:52,720 That's how bad it was. ���������ô�㡣 1164 01:19:53,163 --> 01:19:57,663 (����������۶�Ʒ������5����) 1165 01:20:01,363 --> 01:20:07,168 Bright light in that whole prison was a Muslim curator there on the chapel. ���������ġ�һ˿����������һ����˹�ֹ���Ա�ڽ���� 1166 01:20:09,739 --> 01:20:14,641 He gave me permission to go in there anytime I wante, �������ң���ʱȥ������С�ڤ�롱�� 1167 01:20:14,644 --> 01:20:17,812 which is strictly against the rules, and meditate. �����ϸ�Υ���涨�ġ� 1168 01:20:22,017 --> 01:20:24,351 There is no awakening without crisis. û��Σ������û�о��ѡ� 1169 01:20:25,153 --> 01:20:32,092 There just isn't,because you have to get shocked into a space where you know nothing, �����еģ���Ϊ����뱻�𾪵�һ������ʲô����֪���Ŀռ䣬 1170 01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:37,631 where you know that everything you've ever been taught or learned is not true. �������֪�������������̵���ѧ����һ�У���������ʵ�ġ� 1171 01:20:38,801 --> 01:20:41,468 And then you start over. Ȼ��������¿�ʼ�� 1172 01:20:53,749 --> 01:20:55,883 (inspiring music) [����������] 1173 01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,153 It just broke through. ��ͻȻ�����ˡ� 1174 01:20:59,922 --> 01:21:01,856 It was like a light shone on me. ����һ���⣬���������ϡ� 1175 01:21:10,099 --> 01:21:13,100 It's like taking ecstasy times a thousand. �о��������һǧ�ε�ҡͷ�衣 1176 01:21:15,237 --> 01:21:19,173 I was so ecstatic,I was non-functional,definitely non-functional. ��̫�˷��ˣ��ҵ�ʱĪ�����������Ī����� 1177 01:21:20,609 --> 01:21:23,944 It was ironic that I found what I was looking for ���з�����ζ���ǣ�����һ������������� 1178 01:21:24,012 --> 01:21:26,547 in the depths of a violent prison. �ҵ��ˣ���һֱ��Ѱ�ҵĶ����� 1179 01:21:27,083 --> 01:21:33,320 And I had been searching for so long for that reality that when it came,I recognized it. ��һֱ��Ѱ�������ʵ����������ʱ�����ϳ������� 1180 01:21:34,624 --> 01:21:40,227 You can't get that idea, that knowingness, through study or books. ���޷�ͨ��ѧϰ���鱾����������뷨��������֪�� 1181 01:21:40,296 --> 01:21:44,698 It has to be an experience of the source. �������Ƕԡ�Դͷ�������顣 1182 01:21:44,766 --> 01:21:54,041 This pure, infinite energy that has created this whole, beautiful existence that we see. ���ִ���ģ����޵����������ˣ�������������������壬�����Ĵ��ڡ� 1183 01:21:55,010 --> 01:22:00,180 Ecstasy brought me to a point of despair at the lowest levels. ��ҡͷ�衱���Ҵ����˾�������ײ㡣 1184 01:22:00,983 --> 01:22:05,920 And then from there,it was an ecstasy that took me the rest of the way. �����Ժ��Ҿͱ�һ�֡���ϲ�����ţ�����ʣ�µ�·�� 1185 01:22:21,803 --> 01:22:28,442 I wrote the first book in prison, From Onions to Pearls, and I wrote it in five days. ���ڼ�����д�˵�һ���飬������е����顷����ֻ���������д���ˡ� 1186 01:22:30,246 --> 01:22:32,947 You don't need a guru to teach you. �㲻��Ҫ��ʦ�����㡣 1187 01:22:33,782 --> 01:22:35,849 Enlightenment comes from within. �������������ĵġ� 1188 01:22:40,689 --> 01:22:47,594 When I wrote the first book, I used my spiritual name because Michael was gone. ����д��һ�����ʱ���������ҵġ�����������Ϊ�����˶����Ѿ������ˡ� 1189 01:22:47,662 --> 01:22:51,298 There's no more Michael. Can't even relate to Michael. ��Ҳû�С����˶����ˡ����������ܺ͡����˶������������� 1190 01:22:52,068 --> 01:22:55,402 But I could relate to Satyam Nadeen. ���������뵽�ˣ�������ɶ��� 1191 01:22:55,404 --> 01:23:00,741 Osho picked out the name,and it means "river of truth" in Sanskrit. ����ѡ��������֣����������е���˼�ǡ�����֮�ӡ��� 1192 01:23:00,743 --> 01:23:04,712 - Join me in welcoming Satyam Nadeen. -����һ��ӭ��������ɶ��� 1193 01:23:05,548 --> 01:23:07,014 (laughing) [Ц��] 1194 01:23:07,082 --> 01:23:08,382 Is this namaste? ���ǡ���ʮ���� 1195 01:23:08,384 --> 01:23:10,117 - That's what it is. -���������� 1196 01:23:10,685 --> 01:23:12,285 - Better tell our viewers what that means. -��ø������ǵĹ��ڣ�����ʲô��˼�� 1197 01:23:12,354 --> 01:23:15,322 - That means the divine in me -����ζ�ţ������ڵ����ԣ� 1198 01:23:16,058 --> 01:23:18,092 recognizes the divine in you, ��ʶ���ˣ�������ԣ� 1199 01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:19,659 meaning we're both from the same energy. Ҳ����˵����������ͬһ������ 1200 01:23:19,728 --> 01:23:20,728 - Yes. -�ǵġ� 1201 01:23:21,329 --> 01:23:23,297 ("Spirit in the Sky" by Norman Greenbaum) [ŵ�������ֱ�ķ�ġ����֮�顷] 1202 01:23:23,497 --> 01:23:26,497 ��������ɶ�������������쵼�٤���ޣ� 1203 01:23:27,302 --> 01:23:30,904 - The renaissance of people coming to Satsang all over the world... -���˵ĸ��ˡ��������������չ�˲���... 1204 01:23:30,906 --> 01:23:32,773 Europe is insane. ŷ�޶�����ˡ� 1205 01:23:32,775 --> 01:23:37,677 They're just so hungry for consciousness,it's unbelievable. ����̫������ʶ�ˣ���̫����˼���ˡ� 1206 01:23:37,746 --> 01:23:43,050 I would give talks here at the Rainbow Spirit Festival, there'd be like 3,000,4,000 people coming. �һ��ڲʺ羫����Ϸ����ݽ�����Ż���3000��4000������ 1207 01:23:43,118 --> 01:23:45,686 Just couldn't get enough of it. ֻ���µ�ʱ���˲�ֹ��Щ�� 1208 01:23:45,754 --> 01:23:47,588 (crowd cheering) [��Ⱥ�Ļ���] 1209 01:23:47,656 --> 01:23:49,723 - At the end of 2021, -��2021��ף� 1210 01:23:49,792 --> 01:23:56,296 the journal Science said our paper in nature medicine was one of the top 10 scientific breakthroughs of the whole world. ����ѧ����־˵�������ڡ���Ȼҽѧ���Ϸ��������ģ���ȫ����ʮ���ѧͻ��֮һ�� 1211 01:23:58,467 --> 01:24:03,970 In 2023, in September, is when we published the resuls of the second phase 3 study. 2023��9�£����ǹ����ˣ��ڶ��׶ε������о��Ľ���� 1212 01:24:03,973 --> 01:24:06,040 Both of these tremendously successful. ���߶��dz��ɹ��� 1213 01:24:06,140 --> 01:24:07,340 (ֻ��ʧ����������ʹ���߶���) 1214 01:24:07,375 --> 01:24:13,080 So I think in the end, we will have spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 million. ��������Ϊ���������ǽ����Ѵ�Լ3����Ԫ�� 1215 01:24:13,283 --> 01:24:15,549 Not just to get the drug approved, ����Ҫ������ҩ������׼�� 1216 01:24:15,551 --> 01:24:18,118 but to build this commercialization company, ��Ҫ���������ҵ���Ĺ�˾�� 1217 01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,520 which will be working with thousands of therapists. ��������ǧ������ʦ������ 1218 01:24:20,523 --> 01:24:25,726 What's going on here is a complete innovation of combining psychotherapy with pharmacotherapy. ����һ�������������ҩ���������ϵĴ��¡� 1219 01:24:31,533 --> 01:24:36,036 I've consistently been wrong on how much it costs and how long it will take. ��һֱ����ع��������ijɱ�������Ҫ�೤ʱ�䡣 1220 01:24:36,105 --> 01:24:39,539 So, you know, I had a 5-year plan for 15 years. ���ԣ���֪����������һ��15�������ƻ��� 1221 01:24:39,608 --> 01:24:42,042 I've got a 10-year plan for 20 years. ���Ѿ�����һ��20���10��ƻ��� 1222 01:24:42,044 --> 01:24:46,847 But I did feel over time that there was ����ȷʵ�о���������ʱ������ƣ� 1223 01:24:46,915 --> 01:24:52,018 little bits of progress here and there that were enough to sustain me. ����������һ������������֧���ҡ� 1224 01:24:52,021 --> 01:24:56,323 - I think nothing comes close to the potential that psychedelics carry. -����Ϊ��û��ʲô�ܽӽ��Ի�ҩ��DZ���� 1225 01:24:56,391 --> 01:24:58,391 I think they're remarkable medicines, ����Ϊ�����ǷǷ���ҩ� 1226 01:24:58,394 --> 01:25:03,396 and I think it allows psychiatry to reclaim its old identity, ����Ϊ���þ���ѧ�����һ�����ԭ�������ݣ� 1227 01:25:03,465 --> 01:25:06,366 which was to be healers of the soul. �Ǿ������������ߡ� 1228 01:25:06,368 --> 01:25:13,073 - What I hope for in the future is a spiritualized humanity and mass mental health. -��ϣ������δ����һ�����񻯵����࣬�ʹ��ڵ����������� 1229 01:25:13,075 --> 01:25:15,042 Those are our two end goals. �������ǵ���������Ŀ�ꡣ 1230 01:25:15,945 --> 01:25:22,215 - It's about time that MDMA became legal for medical uses. -���Ǽ׻�˫��������(MDMA)��ʱ�򣬺Ϸ�����ҽ����;�ˡ� 1231 01:25:22,218 --> 01:25:27,454 It allows you to look at the problems that you had and deal with it. ���������㿴���������������⣬��������� 1232 01:25:28,157 --> 01:25:31,859 I handled my prison experience �Ҹ��õأ��������ҵķ������£� 1233 01:25:33,628 --> 01:25:37,731 much better because I had a good headspace about it. ��Ϊ���Ҷ�����һ�����õ�ͷ�Կռ䡣 1234 01:25:37,733 --> 01:25:41,301 I have no hard feelings for anybody. �Ҷ��κ��ˣ���û�ж�С� 1235 01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:49,876 - MDMA is taking its second turn and humanity's consciousness is being raised. - MDMA���ڽ��еڶ���ת���������ʶ������ߡ� 1236 01:25:49,879 --> 01:25:55,816 We have the opportunity to save and move millions of lives. �����л������Ⱥ�ת���������˵������� 1237 01:25:55,884 --> 01:25:58,385 I am grateful to be part of that... �Һܸм��ܳ�Ϊ�����е�һ���֣�����... 1238 01:26:00,055 --> 01:26:01,087 uplift. ��ܡ� 1239 01:26:01,090 --> 01:26:02,923 The therapists never gave up. ����ʦ��δ������ 1240 01:26:02,991 --> 01:26:10,297 And MDMA's legality or approach to legality right now is somewhat exonerating, ����MDMA�ĺϷ��Ի�ӽ��Ϸ��Եķ�ʽ����ij�̶ֳ��ϣ�������ģ� 1241 01:26:10,365 --> 01:26:14,401 that everything I did was worthwhile. ��������һ�У�����ֵ�õġ� 1242 01:26:14,403 --> 01:26:19,806 And I just want them to remember that first time ��ֻ�������Ǽ�ס�Ǹ�����һ�Ρ��� 1243 01:26:19,808 --> 01:26:21,575 and... ����... 1244 01:26:22,611 --> 01:26:26,146 whose hands brought it to them. ��˭���ִ������ǵġ� 1245 01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:32,819 - When you're totally enlightened, -������ȫ����ʱ�� 1246 01:26:32,887 --> 01:26:39,593 the only difference in your life is that you say yes to every moment that's happening. ��������Ψһ�IJ�ͬ��������Է�����ÿһ�̣���˵���ǡ��� 1247 01:26:41,897 --> 01:26:45,031 Not, how can I change this? How can I make it better? ���ǣ�������ô�ܸı���һ�У�����������������ø��ã��� 1248 01:26:45,034 --> 01:26:49,269 How can I have more spirituality or anything. ������ô���и�������ԣ�����ʲô�ġ� 1249 01:26:49,938 --> 01:26:52,138 You're perfect just the way you are. �㱾�����������ġ� 1250 01:26:52,608 --> 01:26:57,043 You don't realize how much fear you have about everything. ����ʶ���������ÿ���£��ж�η�塣 1251 01:26:57,046 --> 01:27:01,081 And when your heart just opens,all you feel is who you are. ������ij���ʱ���������ܵ��ľ������Լ��� 1252 01:27:01,149 --> 01:27:04,151 Who are you? You're pure love.That's your essence. ����˭������Ǵ���İ����������ı��ʡ� 1253 01:27:04,789 --> 01:27:11,690 ����ˡ��಼�ּ���ս����2024�꣬FDA�����ͨMDMA���еĸ����Ʒ��� ����һ�β����о�����������������Ԫ������ʱ�䡣�� 1254 01:27:11,890 --> 01:27:18,890 ��ȡ�����������һ������������ʦ�ͽ����� �������Ŀγ��ǣ����Ի�ҩ��Ĺ�ȥ��δ���� 1255 01:27:19,090 --> 01:27:26,090 �����������������һλ���������ߡ� ������ɫ��ƽ��֯�ĺ����ٳ���һ����ʷ�Ե���ҵ��������� 1256 01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:33,790 ���˵á�Τ��/��˹���˵�ɭ��ͨ���뼩���ִ��Э������������� 1999�꣬����Խ������������ߵĴ����������� 1257 01:27:34,090 --> 01:27:40,090 ������������ɭû����ϼ����ֽ��е��顣 ���ڼ��������5�ꡣ �����ڴ��¿�˥���о����� 1258 01:27:40,290 --> 01:27:51,090 �ֶ����ڼ�����ȹ���8��ʱ�⡣ �����Ⱥ��ֶ���һֱ��ŶԷ���ֱ������2014��ȥ���� ����������������ɣ���ݵ�һ��ͽ�����Ρ�����ͽ������ʱ���о����ֶ��صĴ��ڡ� 1259 01:27:51,290 --> 01:27:59,090 ���˶����������Ӳ��գ�������������ؾ�Ӫ�Ķ���٤�ȼٴ壬�����ˡ� ����2018��ȥ��������ʱ�䶼�����ˣ�����˹̩�ӱߣ���Դͷ���н����ϡ� ���Ա�������������Ҳû���ù���ҡͷ�衱�ˡ� 1260 01:28:00,090 --> 01:28:28,290 ���룺hardstick У����hardstick ʱ���᣺hardstick 206360

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