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- Source is consciousness
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that has created this whole beautiful existence that we see.
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The difference between God and Source,God is a concept
that we've learned through society.
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Source is manifesting,
is having a personal experience through each of us.
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People can't find God in religion.
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We are what we're looking for already.
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It's a futile search to find God outside of yourself.
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(inspiring music)
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I was born and raised in Chicago.
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My mother was Irish Catholic.
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Went to Mass every morning,seven days a week.Dragged me with her.
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I started feeling like I wanted to know more
about this God that they're talking about.
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And the only way I knew,that was the Irish Catholic way,
was you become a priest.
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- Corpus Christi.
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- After eighth grade,I went straight into the seminary for the priesthood.
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- Corpus Christi.
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- So in me,
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I got implanted from a very early age,a burning desire to know God.
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One day, I woke up. I was 26 years old.
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And I thought,what am I doing here?
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It was like a revelation.
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I got to go.
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- We hope you find whatever it is that you're looking for.
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- That was the end of Catholic religion for me.
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And I just felt free, totally free.
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I had literally nothing.
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But they gave me a few hundred dollars, and I had that Honda motorcycl.
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So I just got on it and rode west.
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So I made it out to California,
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stayed at a friend's house,and started my own business.
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An alarm company, home securit, motion detection.
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- Schick Electric bought us out,$3.2 million, yeah.
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So that was my first big success.
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Then I really went crazy.
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Then I bought a resort on Lake LBJ.
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And it wasn't until I got in my 30s that I started seeking again.
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So I attended my first yoga class.
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And wow, that was like the beginning of the new search.
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This is when I began teaching Zen tennis.
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I was a tennis pro,
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and I had a club in Dallas,and it had 500 women that belonged to it.
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It was yoga, meditation,and tennis.
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I was satiated with women.
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I swore I would never even go on another date.
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She walked in and I went, Oh!
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That was the end of my dating.
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Connecting with Pauline,I mean,
I had like a voice from within that, this is it.
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We got engaged, and then I took her on a scuba diving trip.
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I had a friend down there,this guy's name was Fred.
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Fred became a really good friend of mine.
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He kept begging me to try this drug.
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I'd say, I don't do drugs, I don't do drugs.
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He was saying, OK,
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as a gift to me,as a gift of trust of friendship, try this.
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Fred had a friend in Boston
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that sent him a few of these.
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I'd never had any kind of experience like that before in my life.
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I was just laying there in the sand.
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Oh, my God.
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Couldn't even describe the experience.
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It was extreme happiness and oneness and lightness and no fear.
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It was so healing, so wonderful.
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I felt this oneness, and then everything I knew
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about spirituality and Catholicism
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and all of that was just a huge cosmic joke.
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That night, I got the command from the universe
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to get this out there.
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I already saw it being deliverd around the whole world.
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- I was born in Chicago shortly after the war.
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and so I had every possible advantage you could have in terms of privilege,
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and I had extremely progressive parents
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I was raised on stories of the Holocaust,which profoundly disturbed me.
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All of that led me to realize that
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evolution and growth.
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And I felt that this mission that I was given
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was to respond to that kind of murderous nature of the Holocaust.
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I went to this experimental college in Sarasota, Florida
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called New College,
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and it had no grades.
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There was a tradition of psychedelic use at this college.
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In particular,all-night dance parties that went till sunrise.
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And I was like, wow,this is great.
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I thought, this is what my bar mitzvah should have bee.
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It was like a confrontation with who am I,
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where do I fit in the universe, what are my emotions,
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where do I come from?
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to a deeper understanding of myself and of reality and of spirituality.
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And I felt that this was what I wanted to do with my life.
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I wanted to bring back psychedelic research,become a psychedelic therapist.
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- Esalen, it was the Human Potential Movement.
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It was Eastern and Western philosophy.
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It was forms of meditation and body work.
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We had helped to organize a conference on psychedelics.
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whether it's depression or anxiety and so on,
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You can develop a tolerance to them.
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There are a lot of side effects to them.
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I was part of the group
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but none of them quite hit it the same way,
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with the same heart-opening sense of safety and compassion.
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There just wasn't one that quite did what MDMA did.
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I met with Rick Doblin at Esalen.
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He was a bright, young,
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enthusiastic guy, and, you know,
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a kind of handsome guy,and he had great energy.
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And I was bringing some MDMA to some other friends that were there.
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of sort of people from the psychedelic 60s
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I found out that Alexander Shulgin was giving a talk
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that was being made by people at MIT using therapeutic circles.
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So we tried to sort of share,
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which is totally closer to God than some piece of bread.
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It got a hold of me pretty good.
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You know, I had a few times when...
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So I knew I had a problem,and I tried to stop it a number of times.
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But I always managed to get back into it.
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("Lay It on the Line" by Triumph)
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(doorbell chiming)
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One day, I get a knock on the door.
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And there's this fellow down there,
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But he was persistent,so I went down and talked to him.
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I asked him what he wanted,
and he said he wanted to introduce me to a new drug.
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It's the last thing I wanted,to get involved in the drug business.
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I'm not interested, buddy.
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Michael Clegg was an interesting guy.
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When I first met him, he really had his heart and soul into
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- These things, they...
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They can change your life, man.
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Call me.
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- He gave me a bunch of literature on MDMA.
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And over a period of about a month, I read all of it.
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He said, well,can we talk some more?
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And I said, sure,come on over to my house.
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- So that evening, he brought his wife, Paulina,
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over, and the two of them sat down and said,
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you know, we'd like to share it with you,
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because we think this will probably help you with your cocaine issue.
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MDMA was legal.
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It was brand new, really.
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There was no laws against it.
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So I said, OK, let me try it.
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He put on a tape by Deuter called Ecstasy,and it was just unbelievable.
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and it almost lifted me out of my couch.
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I felt like I was levitating.I felt so good.
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It was like a heavenly experience.
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It was just unbelievable.
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This angst I had in me that I'd carried for seven years
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just kind of evaporated.
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It was amazing.
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And I thought,wow, why in the world would you ever do coke
when you have something like this?
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It was many, many, many years ago,
and I've never touched coke or thought about it.
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That was it.
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One shot and that was over.
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Just absolutely amazing.
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I'll be forever grateful that he came to my place
and let me have that opportunity.
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I just...I can't.
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- Oh my God, we know.
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- What do you call this stuff?
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- It's therapy.
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- I told Michael, you know,that album you gave me,
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uh, named Ecstasy,that's absolutely the perfect name.
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Ecstasy.
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That's what it is.
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- The experience is pure ecstasy.
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So why not call it ecstasy?
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- That's how it went down,and it stuck.
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- Here comes Howard again.
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We're scaling up.
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Would you like to continue?
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I said, well, yes,I just have to be paid more,just a little more.
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And I agreed.
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And that was the first time I met Michael Clegg.
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Michael Clegg was very casual at that time.
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I mean, he was easy to be with.
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I mean, he stated what he needed, and...and then he left.
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All right, let's get started,shall we?
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The Drisura boys were seminarians with Michael Clegg, and they all left
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to pursue civilian life.
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But upscaling from one gram to 100,it's much more complex.
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- Yeah, we understand. - We got it, yeah.
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They knew nothing about chemistry.
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How do I teach this layperson how to handle chemicals?
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It was pretty demanding.
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It took us probably two to three weeks to get to the end result.
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- My distribution points were basically Dallas
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And that was it.That was the beginning.
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- Ecstasy.
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That's what we're calling it, boys.
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And it's perfectly legal.
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When I started selling MDMA,I had a purpose in life.
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There was millions of people in the US that were strung out on coke.
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And I thought this would be a wonderful way to get them off of that.
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The next day, everybody was back wanting more.
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I'm going to need another 5,000 more at least to start.
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- Whatever you need, you got it.
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- So off we went to the races.
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I was driving back and forth and picking up
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I went from zero production to 50,000 in a couple months.
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Sales were going extremely fas.
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We were selling a million dollars a month.
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- Handling the money was the hardest part of the whole project.
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What do you do with all that cash?
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I had more money than God at that time.
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I could buy anything I want.
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Planes, boats, real estate.
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Pauline was not only a great wife and companion,
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Oh, my God.
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She handled the money,and I handled the product.
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- I handed him a lot of money,and he talked too much about the money.
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You got to keep your money
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to yourself for a while.
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Put it someplace that nobody can find it.
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- I was converting cash into gold,
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and I had to store the gold somewhere.
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I buried a lot of gold under the doghouse.
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I bought some property near Vancouver
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and buried a lot of gold up there.
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And that gold is still there.I don't know where it's at.
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There's millions of dollars of gold up in Vancouver somewhere.
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- We all know that Edgar Cayce was
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Peter Weber is said to be the next Edgar Cayce.
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In his channeling, he is known to call upon an entity named Ross Peterson.
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Ross Peterson is actually Peter Weber's higher self.
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Tell the audience at home about your spiritual journey.
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- You know, when Michael got into a haze,
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we hired these psychics to help him make a decision
or help him give sight to what's going on.
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- What is it like being a clairvoyant?
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- It wasn't by choice.I was born this way.
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- Paulina, that's him. That's the guy.
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- What guy? - From the book, Peter Weber.
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- Peter Weber?
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He's the clairvoyant I was telling you about.
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Gentlemen of the Texas Group,as we all know,
we are on the cusp of an evolution.
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Our product is the key to the human soul.
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But today, I wanted to introduce you to my new...
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spiritual business advisor,
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Peter Weber.
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Peter!
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- Drugs are menacing our society.
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They're threatening our values and undercutting our institutions.
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- This was the time of Nancy Reagan and Ronald Reagan
and the escalation of the drug war.
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It was clearly doomed.It was going to be criminalized.
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- Say no to drugs and say yes to life.
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- I knew the DEA would be interested in something
earth-shattering as this would be.
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I could see this overtaking marijuana and cocaine overnight,
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because it's so much better,so much, at every level.
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- But we were concerned
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that what was going to happen was the more public use of ecstasy
was going to end up criminalizing the therapeutic use.
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416
00:30:59,026 --> 00:31:04,695
Michael Clegg had an 800 number.You could dial 1-800-ECSTASY
���˶���������ĵ绰������800������Բ���1-800-ҡͷ��
417
00:31:04,763 --> 00:31:07,898
and buy as much as you wanted on your credit card.
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418
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:13,203
Sasha said, you know, please,you know, maybe you and Debby
can go up there and talk to this guy,
��ɳ˵����֪���������ˣ�Ҳ�������ȿ���ȥ����������̸̸��
419
00:31:13,205 --> 00:31:18,275
because he was ramping up his machine,
you know, producing more and more and more.
��Ϊ�������������Ļ���������Խ��Խ���ˡ�
420
00:31:18,343 --> 00:31:23,947
This was going to explode because what we were afraid of
is that we would be pushed into emergency scheduling.
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421
00:31:24,015 --> 00:31:26,850
And if that happened,then we would have no time
��������Ļ������Ǿ�������
422
00:31:26,852 --> 00:31:29,552
to build our case,we would have no time
�����ǵ��۾ݣ�Ҳ������
423
00:31:29,621 --> 00:31:34,124
to produce the research papers
and things that could support the case for MDMA.
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424
00:31:34,192 --> 00:31:37,994
So I asked Rick Doblin,would you come with me? And he said yes.
���ԣ�������ˡ��಼�֣���Ը�����һ��ȥ�� ����˵�����ԡ�
425
00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:41,564
- So, the scheduling of drugs is done not by the FDA,
-���ԣ����ֶ�ҩ��ġ����ư��š�������������ʳƷҽҩ�������ƶ��ģ�
426
00:31:41,633 --> 00:31:44,200
but by the Drug Enforcement Administration.
�����������������ƶ��ġ�
427
00:31:44,203 --> 00:31:50,707
Schedule 1 is for drugs that have a high potential for abuse,
no currently accepted medical use.
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428
00:31:50,775 --> 00:31:53,176
Heroin is in Schedule 1.
���������ڵ�һ����ơ�
429
00:31:55,347 --> 00:31:58,048
- We arrive at this big,beautiful home.
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430
00:31:58,116 --> 00:31:59,449
You know, it's just gorgeous.
��֪������̫Ư���ˡ�
431
00:31:59,517 --> 00:32:01,952
Looks like something out of Architectural Digest.
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432
00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:04,120
He opens the door.
�����˴��š�
433
00:32:04,123 --> 00:32:06,923
He was pleasant looking, kind of a cherubic face, you know.
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434
00:32:06,926 --> 00:32:08,558
- You like the champagne?
-����ϲ��������
435
00:32:09,828 --> 00:32:11,094
- Very good. Thank you.
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436
00:32:11,096 --> 00:32:14,164
What we were saying is,could you keep this a little bit more quiet?
������ʱҪ˵���ǣ����ܲ��ܰѲ�������һЩ��
437
00:32:14,232 --> 00:32:15,899
And he wasn't willing to do that.
������Ը����ô����
438
00:32:15,901 --> 00:32:18,235
- MDMA isn't just a drug.
-���Ǽ�˫����������ҡͷ�裩��ֻ��һ��ҩ�
439
00:32:19,104 --> 00:32:23,106
It's a tool.I'm not just selling a high.I'm elevating consciousness.
����һ�ֹ��ߡ��Ҳ�ֻ���ڳ��ۿ�С�����������ʶ��
440
00:32:23,675 --> 00:32:30,547
I want everyone to experience it,
not just the people who can afford your retreats.
��ϣ��ÿ���˶�����������������������Щ����������ȥ�����Ƕ������ˡ�
441
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:34,484
- You're putting a target on everyone's back.
-�����ڰ�ÿ���ˣ��������ˡ����ӡ���
442
00:32:34,486 --> 00:32:36,152
- Michael seemed kind of slick.
- ���˶��������е㻬ͷ��
443
00:32:36,155 --> 00:32:40,657
He seemed kind of,you know, interested in making lots of money.
��֪�������ƺ�����Ǯ���ܸ���Ȥ��
444
00:32:40,659 --> 00:32:47,931
He didn't really care that what they were doing
was going to criminalize the therapeutic use.
�������ں������ǵ��������Ƿ�Ὣ��������ҩ����Ϊ���
445
00:32:47,933 --> 00:32:53,203
But he also did have this messianic kind of,
let's spread MDMA to the world.
����Ҳ��һ�־���������뷨�������ǰ�ҡͷ�裬������ȫ���硣
446
00:32:53,271 --> 00:32:54,805
- It's not illegal!
-���ֲ�Υ����
447
00:32:56,308 --> 00:32:58,842
I've cured people of addictions.
���κ������ǵĶ�
448
00:32:58,844 --> 00:33:01,444
I've opened hearts.I've opened minds.
�ҳ��������顣�Ҵ���˼·��
449
00:33:01,447 --> 00:33:04,514
What do you think I am,a street pusher?
����Ϊ����ʲô����ͷС����
450
00:33:05,952 --> 00:33:09,819
I was trying to get it blasted out there, yeah.
�ҵ�ʱ�������Щ��룬ͳͳ����ը������û����
451
00:33:09,888 --> 00:33:11,521
(laughing)
[��]
452
00:33:11,589 --> 00:33:14,257
The last thing I was trying to do was hide it.
�ҵ�ʱ������ģ�����͵͵�������¡�
453
00:33:14,793 --> 00:33:16,793
- We went back and forth for many, many hours.
-���Ƿ�����ȥ�����˺ü���Сʱ��
454
00:33:16,795 --> 00:33:19,329
He finally just said, frankly, Debby,
�����˵����ʵ˵����ȣ�
455
00:33:20,131 --> 00:33:23,533
if it goes illegal,I'll just make more money.
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456
00:33:24,102 --> 00:33:26,336
And I went, OK.
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457
00:33:26,338 --> 00:33:30,373
I mean, I was almost grateful because I felt like, OK,
at least he's being honest.
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458
00:33:30,376 --> 00:33:31,975
That's his bottom line.
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459
00:33:31,977 --> 00:33:33,877
That's where his value is.
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460
00:33:34,813 --> 00:33:36,380
- So my approach to Michael was,
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461
00:33:36,448 --> 00:33:37,748
we would like you
����ϣ����
462
00:33:37,816 --> 00:33:43,319
to make a donation to us to help fight
the criminalization that you are causing.
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463
00:33:43,322 --> 00:33:46,856
It will make it so that it will stay legal longer for you.
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464
00:33:46,859 --> 00:33:53,129
And it will also enable us to raise resources to go and to fight the DEA.
��Ҳ��ʹ�����ܹ����O��Դȥ�Կ�����������DEA����
465
00:33:53,198 --> 00:33:54,798
- How would you like 20,000 pills?
-����Ҫ2��Ƭ��
466
00:33:54,866 --> 00:33:57,868
I just remember loving Ric from the first time I met him.
��ֻ�ǵã��ҵ�һ�μ������ʱ����ϲ�������ˡ�
467
00:33:58,937 --> 00:34:01,704
And really understanding his cause.
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468
00:34:01,707 --> 00:34:08,711
- The optics, I said,it will look like we were just a front
for the biggest drug manufacturer in the country.
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469
00:34:08,714 --> 00:34:14,051
This was a major point of difference between Rick and myself.
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470
00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:17,087
- 20,000 and we'll figure out the rest.
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471
00:34:17,155 --> 00:34:21,391
Didn't even matter,because it was like confetti,you know.
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472
00:34:22,194 --> 00:34:23,894
- Michael, on the one hand,
-��һ���潲�����˶���
473
00:34:25,263 --> 00:34:32,635
was the key person responsible for the criminalization of MDMA ecstasy,
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474
00:34:32,638 --> 00:34:38,374
but through the donation of a tiny fraction of the amount of MDMA
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475
00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:44,081
that he was making, enabled us to get the information that we needed,
the data that we needed
ʹ�����ܹ������������Ҫ����Ϣ��������Ҫ�����ݣ�
476
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:46,149
to start the whole process of medicalizing MDMA.
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477
00:34:46,218 --> 00:34:48,085
(energetic music)
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478
00:34:53,791 --> 00:34:58,795
We knew that the DEA was going to come for us
because they knew about ecstas.
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479
00:34:58,864 --> 00:35:03,633
But we also knew that the DEA didn't know about the therapeutic use.
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480
00:35:03,635 --> 00:35:05,902
And so that gave us this opportunity
���ԣ�����������������
481
00:35:05,904 --> 00:35:09,272
to share MDMA with a lot of different people
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482
00:35:09,340 --> 00:35:11,608
who would not have done it if it was illegal.
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483
00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:17,213
We tried to cede it to different people
who would speak out in the media to protect MDMA.
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484
00:35:17,282 --> 00:35:20,650
Rabbi Zalman Schachter,who was kind of a Jewish mystic,
��������ɳ�������ȣ�����һ����̫���������ߣ�
485
00:35:20,652 --> 00:35:26,857
several different leaders of the Zen community around the world
and other Catholic mystics,
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486
00:35:26,925 --> 00:35:32,162
and these various people then took MDMA and then
reported back what their experience was.
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487
00:35:32,734 --> 00:35:35,234
(�����������ݣ�Ŧ���غ���)
488
00:35:35,334 --> 00:35:42,873
- I managed to make a connectin with a fellow
that was one of the biggest coke dealers in the country.
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489
00:35:42,941 --> 00:35:44,974
His nickname was The Devil.
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490
00:35:44,977 --> 00:35:48,845
I thought, now here's a great opportunity.
�ҵ�ʱ��Ϊ�����Ǹ��û��ᡣ������.������ף������ߣ�
491
00:35:48,913 --> 00:35:52,148
I wonder if I can turn him on,if I can get him turned on,
����֪�������ܲ��������˷�������������������˷�������
492
00:35:52,217 --> 00:35:57,320
maybe he can switch all these people that are buying his cocaine.
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493
00:35:57,322 --> 00:36:01,324
So I flew down to Newport and had a meeting with him.
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494
00:36:01,393 --> 00:36:06,396
And it was difficult at first,because I told him I had a new drug.
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495
00:36:06,398 --> 00:36:09,199
But I finally got him to try some.
�������ڣ���������һ�ڡ�
496
00:36:09,201 --> 00:36:11,201
He said,
��˵��
497
00:36:11,203 --> 00:36:12,669
This has really lit me up.
��������Һ��˷ܡ�
498
00:36:12,671 --> 00:36:14,404
This is the best thing that's ever happened.
���Ƿ������ģ���õ����顣
499
00:36:14,472 --> 00:36:15,805
I just can't believe how wonderful.
�Ҽ�ֱ�������ţ�������ô����
500
00:36:15,807 --> 00:36:18,141
This is going to change the world overnight.
�⽫��һҹ֮�䣬�ı����硣
501
00:36:20,345 --> 00:36:22,879
We shake hands,that's the deal.
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502
00:36:22,881 --> 00:36:25,014
(laughing)
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503
00:36:25,083 --> 00:36:29,886
Initially, Michael was very authentic with his love for the effects.
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504
00:36:29,888 --> 00:36:32,021
- Baby!
-������
505
00:36:32,024 --> 00:36:33,890
- But then it turned.
-���������ת���ˡ�
506
00:36:33,892 --> 00:36:38,061
It turned rather quick when it got into the large production.
����������ģ����ʱ������չ���൱�졣
507
00:36:38,063 --> 00:36:42,899
By this time,I was starting to see this avarice in his eyes,
��ʱ���ҿ�ʼ���������е�̰����
508
00:36:42,901 --> 00:36:45,268
the way he would take the money and just...
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509
00:36:45,671 --> 00:36:48,037
act like it was Play-Doh.
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510
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,541
His eyes would glaze over,and also Paulina, too.
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511
00:36:54,246 --> 00:36:57,780
Their attitudes showed through, you know.
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512
00:36:57,849 --> 00:36:59,115
But I said,
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513
00:36:59,184 --> 00:37:00,683
now we're talking with the big guys now.
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514
00:37:00,686 --> 00:37:03,720
- Bob, it's no problem, baby.
-���������������
515
00:37:03,722 --> 00:37:05,622
Relax.
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516
00:37:07,458 --> 00:37:11,761
- And then The Devil would fly up and bring over the mone,
and there was nothing.
-Ȼ��ħ�����ͻ������������Ǯ���ˣ���ʲôҲû�С�
517
00:37:11,763 --> 00:37:13,530
Michael didn't show up.
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518
00:37:25,877 --> 00:37:27,611
So I drove over to his place,
���ԣ��ҿ���ȥ�����ң�
519
00:37:28,947 --> 00:37:32,415
knocked on the door and said,Where are you, you know?
���Ž�ȥ����˵������Ķ��ˣ���֪����
520
00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:38,421
I got the biggest coke dealer in the country
getting ready to switch over to ecstasy.
ȫ�����Ŀɿ����ӣ�����תͶҡͷ���ˡ�
521
00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:40,757
He loves it. His people love it.
����ϲ������������˺�ϲ�������
522
00:37:40,825 --> 00:37:43,393
And he ordered a million and you said you could do it.
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523
00:37:43,395 --> 00:37:45,328
He's sitting there waiting with the money.
������Ǯ������������š�
524
00:37:45,797 --> 00:37:47,096
Where's the stuff?
���أ�
525
00:37:47,099 --> 00:37:49,466
(energetic music)
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526
00:37:53,204 --> 00:37:54,504
- That's it.
-����Щ�ˡ�
527
00:37:54,572 --> 00:37:56,639
- I said a million.This isn't even half.
-��˵����һ����Ƭ�������һ�롣
528
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:59,342
(beeping) - That's my meditation bell.
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529
00:38:02,447 --> 00:38:04,914
- In the cocaine business,
-�ڡ��ɿ��ڵ��ϣ�
530
00:38:04,916 --> 00:38:09,986
you can't say,I'm gonna do something and then don't do it.
�㲻��˵���Ҵ�Ӧ��ij���£�Ȼ������������
531
00:38:09,988 --> 00:38:13,656
It's a chain reaction of people who get in serious trouble.
������Щ���ϴ��鷳���˵�������Ӧ��
532
00:38:13,659 --> 00:38:18,495
We're switching businesses from cocaine to MDMA,
�������ڰ����⣬�ӿɿ���ת��ҡͷ�裬
533
00:38:18,897 --> 00:38:20,497
which is wonderful,
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534
00:38:21,132 --> 00:38:26,669
but the business connections that they had were serious people.
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535
00:38:26,672 --> 00:38:30,006
It wasn't a loving,hugging group of people.
�ǿɲ���һȺ����������ӵ�����ˡ�
536
00:38:30,742 --> 00:38:32,809
The Devil was angry.
��ħ������ʱ��������
537
00:38:32,877 --> 00:38:35,278
There was a chain reaction of fury.
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538
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,247
And this...
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539
00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:39,783
caused me a lot of grief.
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540
00:38:42,654 --> 00:38:47,090
So I realized I couldn't depend on Michael anymore.
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541
00:38:55,634 --> 00:39:02,638
I later found out that he had made a connection with the Bhagwan's people up in Oregon,
�����ҷ��֣����˶��Ͷ��ո��ݵġ��ذ���ˣ�
542
00:39:02,641 --> 00:39:06,709
the Rajneeshees, and had sold the million to them
���С�������ʲ�������ィ������ϵ��������һ����Ƭ����������
543
00:39:06,712 --> 00:39:09,713
for $15 a pill, instead of $3.
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544
00:39:13,651 --> 00:39:20,323
- More than 85,000 people a yer come here to learn
about the teachings of one Sri Rajneesh.
-ÿ���г���85,000�ˣ�������ѧϰһλ˹��������ϣ�Ľ��塣
545
00:39:20,325 --> 00:39:24,094
- My wife was part of the Osho Ashram group,
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546
00:39:24,162 --> 00:39:27,097
so when he opened up the ranch up in Oregon,
���Ե����ڶ��ո��ݿ���������Ӫʱ��
547
00:39:27,165 --> 00:39:32,202
we were some of the first peope to go up there and be with him.
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548
00:39:35,876 --> 00:39:38,476
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549
00:39:38,676 --> 00:39:41,210
- It was all legal,totally legal.
-���ǺϷ��ģ���ȫ�Ϸ���
550
00:39:41,213 --> 00:39:43,212
Just too good to be true.
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551
00:39:43,281 --> 00:39:45,748
It was everywhere.It was in the New York Times.
�������ǡ����ǡ�ŦԼʱ�����ϵ�һƪ���¡�
552
00:39:45,751 --> 00:39:48,184
Socialites parties were talking about it,
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553
00:39:48,186 --> 00:39:53,289
and the DEA was making a bunch of claims,and I knew that it was any time.
������Ҳ���˺ܶ���������֪���������������¶���
554
00:39:53,358 --> 00:40:00,396
- The drug dealers need to know that we want them out of our schools,
neighborhoods, and our lives.
-������Ҫ֪��������ϣ�������뿪���ǵ�ѧУ�����������
555
00:40:00,399 --> 00:40:05,234
- I said, I'm going to stop before it becomes illegal.
-��˵����Ҫ������ɷǷ�֮ǰ������ϴ�֡�
556
00:40:05,237 --> 00:40:07,603
I stepped out of the business.
���˳��������ҵ��
557
00:40:07,606 --> 00:40:11,307
I ended up getting stung for this pot deal.
����δ��齻�ף����ҳ��˴����
558
00:40:12,377 --> 00:40:18,114
And because of my association with The Devil,
they thought that I was in the cocaine business.
��Ϊ�Һ͡�ħ�����Ĺ�ϵ��������Ϊ�������ɿ�������ġ�
559
00:40:18,116 --> 00:40:21,083
But I never sold a gram of coke in my life.
�����Ⱳ�ӣ���û����һ�˿ɿ���
560
00:40:21,086 --> 00:40:24,421
But anyways, I had to go to prison, four years.
�������������ҵý�����������ꡣ
561
00:40:27,258 --> 00:40:28,591
(bell ringing)
[��������]
562
00:40:29,995 --> 00:40:32,462
- Please remove all negative influences from this mind,
-������ͷ�����Ƴ����и����Ӱ�죬
563
00:40:33,297 --> 00:40:35,765
and please notify us when this has been accomplished.
������ɺ�֪ͨ���ǡ�
564
00:40:36,334 --> 00:40:38,701
- Done.
-����ˡ�
���˵�.Τ������˹.�˵�ɭ������"��ͨ��֮�ˣ�
565
00:40:38,737 --> 00:40:41,037
- Peter was there from the very start.
-�˵ô�һ��ʼ�����ڳ���
566
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:48,144
He was most likely his counselor, go-to person when things got befuddled,
�˵úܿ��������˶��Ĺ��ʣ��������û��ҵ�ʱ��
��������.��ά��������ѧ�ң�
567
00:40:48,846 --> 00:40:54,851
and he gave general direction, you know,for continuing MDMA.
�˵û�����˶����µķ�����֪����Ϊ�˼�����չҡͷ�����⡣
568
00:40:54,853 --> 00:40:56,619
- Talking about our project,
-̸�����ǵ���Ŀ��
569
00:40:56,621 --> 00:40:58,555
there has been a situation come up
��һ����������ˣ�
570
00:40:58,623 --> 00:41:01,190
where you might locate the form of Bob McMillen,
����ܻ��ҵ�������������ġ���������
571
00:41:01,193 --> 00:41:04,794
who is probably in a federal penitentiary somewhere around Denver.
�������ڵ�������������
572
00:41:05,364 --> 00:41:07,397
Can you locate this form?
�����ҵ��������������
573
00:41:10,301 --> 00:41:13,937
- We can locate the form,although not at this exact location.
-���ǿ����ҵ�������������Ȼ�������������λ����
574
00:41:14,005 --> 00:41:15,071
Yes.
�ǵġ�
575
00:41:15,073 --> 00:41:16,472
- Right, uh...
-�Ǻã���...
576
00:41:16,541 --> 00:41:19,476
We're not exactly sure if he's still being held there.
���Dz�ȷ�������Ƿ��������
577
00:41:19,544 --> 00:41:23,980
- If you're walking at the beach
and you reach down and grab that of a clam,
-��������ں�̲�ϣ������ּ�һֻ���ۣ�
578
00:41:24,048 --> 00:41:30,987
then ye have that of the symbol that
this entity embodies as far as thy fears are concerned.
��ô������������ʵ�������ֵ�������������Ŀ־���ԡ�
579
00:41:30,989 --> 00:41:32,421
See?
��������
580
00:41:32,424 --> 00:41:35,258
- A clam meaning he isn't talking.
- һֻ������ζ�ţ�������˵����
581
00:41:35,994 --> 00:41:38,427
- Absolutely, the entity reveres silence.
-���Եģ������ʵ�塱���ؿ���ƿ��
582
00:41:38,430 --> 00:41:42,065
Therefore,he's divulging nothing.
��ˣ���û��й¶�κ���Ϣ��
583
00:41:42,133 --> 00:41:44,000
See?
��������
584
00:41:44,068 --> 00:41:45,735
- That makes perfect sense to me.
-�������˵�������塣
585
00:41:45,803 --> 00:41:47,470
That's perfectly logical. Thank you.
����ȫ��������лл�㣡
586
00:41:49,975 --> 00:41:55,345
- So we knew that the DEA was going to come after us,
but the DEA did not know that we existed.
-���ԣ�����֪����������������ǣ������Dz�֪�������ǵĴ��ڡ�
587
00:41:55,413 --> 00:42:01,284
What had started happening was a big struggle inside Earth Metabolic Design Lab.
��ʼ�����ģ��ǡ������л���ʵ���ҡ��ڲ���һ������������
588
00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:03,219
And it was about what we said in public.
���ǹ��������ڹ���������˵�Ļ���
589
00:42:03,288 --> 00:42:08,357
They felt publicly we should only say
that we're in favor of MDMA being a medicine,
������Ϊ������Ӧ�ù�����˵������֧��MDMA��Ϊһ��ҩ�
590
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:14,630
and that we should concede that it's OK
that it's being criminalized for recreational purposes.
����Ӧ�ó��ϣ����䶨Ϊ����Ŀ�ģ��ǿ��Խ��ܵġ�
591
00:42:14,699 --> 00:42:16,165
And I didn't feel that way at all.
������ȫû�����ָо���
592
00:42:16,167 --> 00:42:21,103
I felt that we have to really argue against the criminalization as a whole.
�Ҿ��ã����DZ�����Ϊһ�����壬���Ը������¶��
593
00:42:21,106 --> 00:42:24,841
- And then this last one didn't take change much.
-��������һ����Ҳû�иı���١�
594
00:42:25,610 --> 00:42:27,310
It was all about strategy.
��һ�ж�������йء�
595
00:42:29,548 --> 00:42:32,448
And Rick can be a little pig-headed sometimes about things.
��ʱ����˻��ijЩ���飬��Щ��ִ��
596
00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:34,150
- Debby, we talked about this.
-��ȣ�����̸������ˡ�
597
00:42:34,218 --> 00:42:37,653
- Rick, can you just leave it till later, please?
-��ˣ����ܵȻ������˵��
598
00:42:37,722 --> 00:42:39,722
- You know what? - It's not working.
-��֪��ʲô�� -���������á�
599
00:42:39,790 --> 00:42:41,858
- No, you're right. It's not working.
-�ǵģ���˵�öԡ��ⲻ���á�
600
00:42:43,060 --> 00:42:44,594
- Rick.
-��ˡ�
601
00:42:44,662 --> 00:42:48,596
(upbeat theme music)
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602
00:42:48,867 --> 00:42:51,534
- Well, guess what? We've got another drug.
-�����ô�ţ���������һ��ҩ��
603
00:42:51,603 --> 00:42:53,202
It is synthetic.
���Ǻϳɵġ�
604
00:42:53,638 --> 00:42:56,472
And it makes you love everybod.
�����ܰ����ɣ����˼��˰���֮�ˡ�
605
00:42:58,977 --> 00:43:02,512
It's called ecstasy. Now who doesn't want to take ecstasy?
��С���ϲ����ҡͷ�裩��˭����Ҫ��ϲ�أ�
606
00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:06,248
- The Phil Donahue show is wanting to do a story,
-�ƶ��������ݽ�Ŀ����һ�����£�
607
00:43:06,317 --> 00:43:08,918
a show on MDMA,and they contacted me.
һ������ҡͷ��Ľ�Ŀ��������ϵ���ҡ�
608
00:43:08,987 --> 00:43:12,688
I realized that for me to be a spokesperson
����ʶ����������˵��
609
00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:17,193
on the Donahue Show,
saying what I believed to be the case, would be a problem.
��Ϊ�ڡ��������㡷�ϵķ����ˣ�˵���������ŵ���������Ǹ��鷳��
610
00:43:17,195 --> 00:43:20,196
I'm saying, OK, let's get Bob Schuster on the show.
��Ҫ˵���ðɣ��ñ�������˹���Ͻ�Ŀ�ɡ�
611
00:43:20,198 --> 00:43:24,533
Bob Schuster, he was from University of Chicago,
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�����˹����˹�ز�ʿ��֥�Ӹ��ѧ��ҩ�������о����ģ�
612
00:43:24,536 --> 00:43:29,372
and he told me that he thought MDMA should be in Schedule 3,
�������ң�����Ϊҡͷ��Ӧ�ñ����롰�������ơ���
613
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,941
which is meaning available as a medicine.
Ҳ����˵����������Ϊҽҩʹ�á�
614
00:43:32,010 --> 00:43:35,244
Schuster told the story of what I actually wanted him to say,
��˹��˵���ˣ��������������Ļ���
615
00:43:35,312 --> 00:43:39,882
it should be in Schedule 3,
but he mentioned this issue about neurotoxicity.
��Ӧ�ñ����롰��������ơ��������ᵽ�����Ե����⡣
616
00:43:39,884 --> 00:43:43,620
Gene Haislip from the DEA was also on the show.
������ļ�������˹����Ҳ�μ��˽�Ŀ��
617
00:43:43,688 --> 00:43:46,055
- The drug has been around for several years,
-����ҩ���Ѿ����ںü����ˣ�
618
00:43:46,123 --> 00:43:50,393
but what we've seen in the last couple of years is an escalation of the availability.
�������ڹ�ȥ��������ģ��ǿɻ���Ե�������
����������˹���գ�����������������������
619
00:43:50,395 --> 00:43:53,896
- The DEA freaked out,and Gene Haislip decided
-�������������ˣ���������˹���վ�����
620
00:43:53,964 --> 00:43:56,599
that he could turn this fear of neurotoxicity
�����Խ����ֶ����Ե���
621
00:43:56,668 --> 00:44:00,269
into a justification for emergency scheduling MDMA,
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622
00:44:00,337 --> 00:44:02,204
which happened in 1985.
���·�����1985�ꡣ
623
00:44:02,207 --> 00:44:04,407
It was just...
��ֻ��...
624
00:44:04,475 --> 00:44:06,309
the law of unintended consequences.
���벻���ķ��ɺ����
625
00:44:06,377 --> 00:44:10,279
- I don't know that that was Rick's fault,
that's just, it happened,it was unfortunate.
-�Ҳ�֪��������˵Ĵ���ֻ��������������������ˣ��ܲ��ҡ�
626
00:44:10,281 --> 00:44:13,449
- Senator Bentsen urged the Drug Enforcement Administration
-����Ա����ɭ�شټ����𣬾�����֤�ᣬ
627
00:44:13,517 --> 00:44:17,920
to hold hearings to determine whether MDMA should be declared Schedule I.
��ȷ��ҡͷ��MDMA�Ƿ�Ӧ����������Ϊ����һ��������ư��š���
628
00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:24,761
- I refused to stop talking about how I think
it should not be criminalized at all.
-��һֱ��˵������Ϊ������ҩ������Ӧ�ñ��϶�Ϊ�����ﻯ����
629
00:44:24,829 --> 00:44:27,329
And that created a lot of division.
������˺ܶ���硣
630
00:44:27,398 --> 00:44:34,303
And I realized that I really had to resign
from Earth Metabolic Design Lab and start something new.
����ʶ������ı��룬��ȥ�����л���ʵ���ҵĹ�������ʼ�µĹ�����
631
00:44:34,372 --> 00:44:36,639
But it was out of despair, out of desperation.
�����dz��ھ��������ڼ��衣
632
00:44:36,708 --> 00:44:38,307
There was no other way forward.
û�б��·���ߡ�
633
00:44:38,375 --> 00:44:42,044
And so I thought I would just become a pharmaceutical compan.
���ԣ������һ��ʺ�һ����ҩ��˾�ġ�
634
00:44:44,983 --> 00:44:49,585
- This morning, the Drug Enforcement Administration is announcing its intention
�������ϣ�����������������
635
00:44:50,788 --> 00:44:53,422
to place the drug known as MDM,
������Ϊ�����Ǽ�˫����������MDMA����ҩ�
636
00:44:53,425 --> 00:44:59,095
or by the street name ecstasy,under emergency controls of Schedule 1.
���ڽ�ͷ������Ϊ��ҡͷ�裬�����һ��������Ƶ�������
637
00:45:01,332 --> 00:45:10,640
This control will impose criminal penalties for both
unauthorized manufacture and distribution of up to 15 years.
������ƣ�����δ����Ȩ����ͷ������ˣ����Գ���15������´�����
638
00:45:14,279 --> 00:45:21,684
- What we did was move the operation out of the United States
and only sell it in countries where it was legal.
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639
00:45:21,753 --> 00:45:23,452
That was the whole goal.
���������Ŀ�ꡣ
640
00:45:23,455 --> 00:45:28,357
I knew the DEA was serious and I didn't want to get involved.
��֪��������������ģ��Ҳ����������
641
00:45:28,359 --> 00:45:30,526
I didn't want to get arrested.
�Ҳ��뱻������
642
00:45:31,295 --> 00:45:32,962
The momentum was so strong.
��ͷ�����ǿ����
643
00:45:32,964 --> 00:45:35,064
We didn't want it to stop.
���Dz�����ҵ��ͣ�͡�
644
00:45:39,771 --> 00:45:43,305
- I then met Michael sometime in 1985 in California.
-1985���ij��ʱ�����ڼ������������˶���
645
00:45:43,308 --> 00:45:46,976
And he said, would you meet us at the General Aviation Terminal?
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646
00:45:46,978 --> 00:45:49,712
He came on a Learjet.
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647
00:45:49,714 --> 00:45:54,316
It was a local airport,small airport in Santa Clara,California.
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648
00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:56,586
And I walked inside,
�����˽�ȥ��
649
00:45:57,188 --> 00:45:58,921
and there they were.
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650
00:45:58,990 --> 00:46:00,523
(laughing)
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651
00:46:00,591 --> 00:46:02,892
I knew that it was a big momen.
��֪��������һ����Ҫ��ʱ�̡�
652
00:46:04,029 --> 00:46:05,161
- Sit, sit, sit, sit.
-���£����£����£�������
653
00:46:05,997 --> 00:46:11,000
- When I first met Michael Clegg,
I thought he had the deepest blue eyes, right?
-���ҵ�һ�μ������˶�.�������ʱ���Ҿ�������һ˫��������۾����ɣ�
654
00:46:11,002 --> 00:46:14,503
He seemed to have some kind of power behind him.
���������ƺ�����ij��������
655
00:46:14,506 --> 00:46:16,872
He was really dressed to the nine.
���Ĵ��ţ���úܽ�����
656
00:46:16,875 --> 00:46:20,109
Paulina was dressed in white,and he was also dressed in white.
�����ȴ��Ű�ɫ���·�����Ҳ���Ű�ɫ���·���
657
00:46:20,178 --> 00:46:24,447
It seemed to me that he has arrived and something big is coming down.
���ҿ����������ˣ���Ҫ���������ˡ�
658
00:46:24,515 --> 00:46:27,516
And he introduced me to Walter Franz.
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659
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,419
- Carina is the mother of our beloved molecule.
-�����ȣ��������װ��ġ����ӻ�ѧ��֮ĸ��
660
00:46:30,955 --> 00:46:33,756
We are all very well acquainted with your work.
���Ƕ��������Ĺ�����������Ϥ��
661
00:46:34,558 --> 00:46:37,092
- And as beautiful as she is talented.
-����Ư�������вŻ���
662
00:46:37,095 --> 00:46:41,564
- Indeed. Walter Franz here is my CFO with the Texas Group.
-��ʵ�ϡ��ֶ��ء����ʴ������ڡ��¿���˹���š�����ϯ����١�
663
00:46:41,566 --> 00:46:47,436
- Walter Franz turned his head and he looked through me.
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664
00:46:47,438 --> 00:46:49,972
He didn't just look at me.��
����ֻ�ǿ����ҡ�
665
00:46:50,041 --> 00:46:55,144
And I felt that stare,it just really pierced,you know,through me.
�Ҹо��������ӣ������ҵ����塣
666
00:46:55,213 --> 00:46:56,712
- If you accept our offer,
-�����������ǵı��ۣ�
667
00:46:56,714 --> 00:47:02,552
Walt here will work with you in the financials to make sure that you,
uh,that you want for nothing.
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668
00:47:03,554 --> 00:47:06,889
I want to give you your own facility,anything that you need.
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669
00:47:06,891 --> 00:47:09,458
- Uh...I'm flattered.
-��...���ܳ������ˡ�
670
00:47:09,526 --> 00:47:10,593
Michael and Paulina,
���˶��ͱ����ȣ�
671
00:47:10,595 --> 00:47:12,929
they were playful spirits,
���Ǻ���Ƥ��
672
00:47:12,997 --> 00:47:15,498
but it just... I just didn't get it, right?
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673
00:47:15,566 --> 00:47:18,033
- What do you say? - What do you say?
-��Ҫ��ô˵�أ� -��˵ʲô�أ�
674
00:47:18,903 --> 00:47:20,169
- Um...
-��...
675
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:22,304
OK.
���
676
00:47:22,307 --> 00:47:23,973
(laughing)
[��]
677
00:47:24,041 --> 00:47:27,810
It was just going to be a major scale-up.
�⽫��һ�Σ����ģ�����š�
678
00:47:27,812 --> 00:47:29,679
- Cheers. - Cheers.
-�ɱ��� -�ɱ���
679
00:47:29,747 --> 00:47:32,314
("Everybody Wants to Rule the World" by Tears for Fears)
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680
00:47:33,651 --> 00:47:36,819
I then took MDMA at the Sheraton Round Barn.
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681
00:47:36,888 --> 00:47:38,621
So they told me,
���ԣ����Ǹ����ң�
682
00:47:38,689 --> 00:47:42,791
it is now time for you to know exactly what you have made.
������ʱ������֪�����㵽������ʲô��
683
00:47:42,794 --> 00:47:45,261
They're telling me I have done this.
���Ǹ����ң����������������
684
00:47:45,329 --> 00:47:49,165
Whoa, that was a big, big load to carry at that point.
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685
00:47:50,234 --> 00:47:53,169
She told me, this is really big.
�������ң��⸺����úܴ�
686
00:47:54,838 --> 00:47:57,940
This is bigger than you and me.
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687
00:47:59,477 --> 00:48:02,811
In the peak of the high, my heart just...
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688
00:48:02,814 --> 00:48:04,180
exploded.
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689
00:48:06,083 --> 00:48:07,516
And...
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690
00:48:07,518 --> 00:48:10,586
I did recognize that it was bigger than me.
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691
00:48:12,222 --> 00:48:16,859
And that's why time was always running out,and I was embracing something...
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692
00:48:18,095 --> 00:48:19,328
so much bigger.
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693
00:48:19,330 --> 00:48:21,230
("(I Just) Died in Your Arms" by Cutting Crew)
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694
00:48:27,472 --> 00:48:28,905
I took it with Walt.
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695
00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:34,076
And the experience escalated, and that was our beginning.
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696
00:48:34,846 --> 00:48:37,013
I think...
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697
00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:40,249
to realize that from any human standpoint,
���κ�����ĽǶȶ�����ʶ����
698
00:48:40,318 --> 00:48:44,287
I love you,is really big.
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699
00:48:45,089 --> 00:48:46,255
Don't you think?
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700
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:54,363
(upbeat music)
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701
00:48:54,432 --> 00:48:56,298
So there was this window of time
������һ��ʱ�䣬
702
00:48:56,367 --> 00:49:02,037
when the material could move outside of the United States
into Mexico where it was legal.
��Щ���Ͽ��Դ�����ת�Ƶ�ī���磬���������ǺϷ��ġ�
703
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,307
And Walt and the executive committee,they orchestrated that.
�ֶ��غ�ִ��ίԱ�ᣬ���IJ�����һ�С�
704
00:49:05,310 --> 00:49:08,510
- We changed the marketing and the production,
-���Ǹı���Ӫ����������ʽ��
705
00:49:08,513 --> 00:49:12,681
moved it out of the country,and no sales in the country.
����ת�Ƶ����⣬�ڱ���û�����ۡ�
706
00:49:12,684 --> 00:49:16,352
Basically, Europe was our whole marketplace.
�����ϣ�ŷ�������ǵ������г���
707
00:49:16,354 --> 00:49:18,854
("Heart of Glass" by Blondie)
[��Ů���ֶӵġ������ġ�]
708
00:49:27,664 --> 00:49:29,598
- First, we ordered materials.
-���ȣ����Ƕ����˲��ϡ�
709
00:49:29,667 --> 00:49:32,234
I outworked the three men.
�ұ��������˸�Ŭ����
710
00:49:32,302 --> 00:49:34,003
I sent them home,
�Ұ������ͻ��˼ң�
711
00:49:34,071 --> 00:49:35,805
and I finished the first batch,
������˵�һ������
712
00:49:35,873 --> 00:49:37,640
single-handedly, right?
����һ�ˣ�����
713
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:48,717
I would take MDMA before I went to the laboratory,
�һ���ȥʵ����֮ǰ������ʳ��ҡͷ�衱��
714
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:52,755
just so I can get in tune to essentially what's happening over there.
�������Ҿ����˽⣬�������ʲô��
715
00:49:52,757 --> 00:49:56,225
I mean, like fast-track the attunement,
����˵��������ٵ��ͣ�
716
00:49:56,293 --> 00:49:58,927
but it was to essentially
������ʵ���ǣ�
717
00:49:58,930 --> 00:50:06,569
elicit that synergistic effect between the substance
that's already in me versus the crystals that are in front of me.
Ϊ���������ڵ����ʣ�������ǰ�ľ���֮�䣬����ЭͬЧӦ��
718
00:50:09,074 --> 00:50:13,676
We were probably the largest producer of MDMA in that time period.
���ǿ������Ǹ�ʱ�ڣ�����ҡͷ�������̡�
719
00:50:13,779 --> 00:50:18,313
- From 1986 to 1992, MAPS
- ��1986����1992�꣬�»ü���ѧ���о�Э��
���������о��Ϳ����Ի�ҩ�������������еĺϷ�ҽ����;��
720
00:50:18,482 --> 00:50:27,323
submitted five different protocols with various scientists
to the FDA for MDMA research.
���λ��ѧ��һ����FDA���ύ����ݲ�ͬ�ģ�����MDMA���о�������
721
00:50:27,391 --> 00:50:31,594
And all of these protocols were rejected by the FDA.
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722
00:50:32,897 --> 00:50:37,333
Science had published a paper that they never should have published,
����ѧ����־������һƪ�����DZ���Ӧ�÷��������ģ�
723
00:50:37,401 --> 00:50:41,470
and it was a paper done by George Ricaurte and Una McCann, funded by NIDA,
����һƪ�����Ρ���غ����ȡ������ɵ����ģ��ɹ���ҩ�������о���������
724
00:50:41,539 --> 00:50:45,174
that claimed that MDMA could hurt dopamine and could cause Parkinson's.
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725
00:50:45,242 --> 00:50:49,511
And they did a study in primates,
and they killed a bunch of the primates,
�������鳤�ද����������һ���о�������ɱ����һȺ�鳤�ද�
726
00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:51,280
and they reduced their dopamine.
���Ǽ��������ǵĶ�Ͱ���
727
00:50:51,282 --> 00:50:56,085
And at the end of the year,they came out and said
that they had made a terrible,terrible mistake,
������ף����dz���˵�����Ƿ���һ���dz����dz����صĴ���
728
00:50:56,153 --> 00:51:00,589
that they had mistakenly given methamphetamine
instead of MDMA to these animals.
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729
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:06,862
The criminalization prevented the harm reduction
that should have been done.
������ҩ�����¶���谭�ˡ���Ӧ�����˺����Ĺ�����
730
00:51:07,631 --> 00:51:13,168
It's only when the FDA says yes to something
being medicine that it can be rescheduled.
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731
00:51:13,171 --> 00:51:17,106
So that was clear for us that we needed to go through the FDA.
�������Ǻ������������Ҫͨ��ʳƷ��ҩ������֣�FDA����
732
00:51:17,174 --> 00:51:20,109
It's just enormously expensive and time-consuming.
���Ƿdz�����ͺ�ʱ�ġ�
733
00:51:20,111 --> 00:51:23,479
But I felt that that was the only way forward.
���Ҿ��ã�����Ψһ�ij�·��
734
00:51:23,547 --> 00:51:27,182
So I thought, OK, I'll try tha, no matter how hard it is.
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735
00:51:27,251 --> 00:51:29,685
(electronic pop music)
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736
00:51:29,885 --> 00:51:32,885
��1986�꣬������������ɯ����
737
00:51:34,324 --> 00:51:39,161
- The Ibiza supply,they were selling so much ecstasy.
-����ɳ���Ĺ�Ӧ�̣��������˺ܶ�ҡͷ�衣
738
00:51:40,063 --> 00:51:47,236
Actually, it turned out that my distributor
for all of Europe was one of the sannyasins I met up there at the ranch.
��ʵ�ϣ�������ŷ�ľ����̣������ڡ��������пΡ�������һ����ͽ��
739
00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:51,907
I looked him up and he was great.
�Ҳ���������ܰ���
740
00:51:51,976 --> 00:51:54,977
Island of Ibiza? Should have called it the Island of Ecstas.
����ɳ����Ӧ�ý�����ҡͷ�赺����
741
00:51:59,250 --> 00:52:01,483
It was just my mission.
�������ҵ�ʹ����
742
00:52:01,486 --> 00:52:03,686
Get this out to the world.
�����������ȫ���硣
743
00:52:03,754 --> 00:52:06,121
And I was having fun doing it.
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744
00:52:06,190 --> 00:52:12,495
In Ibiza, ecstasy replaced cocaine as the drug of choice.
������ɳ����ҡͷ��ȡ���ɿ���Ϊ��ѡ��Ʒ��
745
00:52:15,699 --> 00:52:18,867
- Although the Mexican facility continued to produce,
- ��Ȼ��ī���繤������������
746
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:23,205
the money from sales was not promptly being delivered.
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747
00:52:24,308 --> 00:52:28,477
In Mexico, I didn't feel that I was supported with Michael.
��ī���磬�Ҿ�����û�еõ����˶���֧�֡�
748
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,914
He was jealous of my relationship with Walt,
�������Һ��ֶ��صĹ�ϵ��
749
00:52:31,982 --> 00:52:33,982
because he made comments that, oh,
��Ϊ�����۵���Ŷ��
750
00:52:33,985 --> 00:52:35,384
he married the chemist, right?
��Ȣ���Ǹ���ѧ�ң��ɣ�
751
00:52:35,386 --> 00:52:38,420
And he saw... success.
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752
00:52:38,488 --> 00:52:42,791
And with that,he probably equated that with power.
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753
00:52:44,828 --> 00:52:48,764
That may have caused a rift in that relationship.
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754
00:52:50,535 --> 00:52:54,269
We had a function,and we had to execute it.
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755
00:52:54,338 --> 00:52:56,238
I mean, with or without him, right?
������û�������ɣ�
756
00:52:56,438 --> 00:52:57,638
��1988�꣬���������ǣ���
757
00:52:57,675 --> 00:52:59,608
(thunder rumbling)
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758
00:52:59,610 --> 00:53:01,010
- Ah...
-��...
759
00:53:02,947 --> 00:53:06,081
I want to create a real experience for people.
����Ϊ���Ǵ�����һ����ʵ�����顣
760
00:53:06,083 --> 00:53:07,416
Retreats,
�������лᣬ
761
00:53:07,484 --> 00:53:09,484
a place for seekers,
һ��ΪѰ�����ĵط���
762
00:53:09,487 --> 00:53:10,786
a haven for the mind.
һ��˼������á�
763
00:53:10,788 --> 00:53:13,288
I feel you'd be the man for it.
�Ҿ�����������ʵ���ѡ��
764
00:53:13,291 --> 00:53:18,661
- Michael reached out to me in March of 1988,
and then I met him in April of 1988.
-���˶���1988��3����ϵ���ң�Ȼ������1988��4�º��������ˡ�
765
00:53:18,729 --> 00:53:22,464
He wanted to find a new chemist to produce the material for him.
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������.����ɭ���л���ѧ�ң�
766
00:53:22,466 --> 00:53:25,734
So, of course, I was interested in this
because this was my lifelong dream.
��Ȼ���Ҷ�����ܸ���Ȥ����Ϊ������һ�������롣
767
00:53:25,736 --> 00:53:27,703
My real interest started
����������Ȥ��ʼ��
768
00:53:27,771 --> 00:53:31,640
when I ran across a Playboymagazine article called Future Highs.
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769
00:53:31,642 --> 00:53:36,745
And there was a fascinating quote that I thought was...
one of the most profound things I've ever heard,
�Ҿ��ã�����һ������˵�����...�����������ģ�����̵Ļ�֮һ��
770
00:53:36,747 --> 00:53:41,316
"What I look for are the connections
between molecular structure and consciousness."
����Ѱ�ҵ��ǣ����ӽṹ����ʶ֮�����ϵ����
771
00:53:41,319 --> 00:53:43,552
When I read that,it just blew me away,
���Ҷ�����仰ʱ�������ˣ�
772
00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:47,856
and I knew right then I didn't want to be a medical doctor,
I wanted to be a chemist.
�ҵ�ʱ��֪�����Ҳ����Ϊһ��ҽ���������Ϊһ����ѧ�ҡ�
773
00:53:58,903 --> 00:54:02,905
Let's say you wanted to scale it up further.What would you do?
�������룬�����һ�����������ô����
774
00:54:04,375 --> 00:54:07,376
- I'd rather use larger scale reactors.It'd be more efficient.
-����Ըʹ�ã������ģ�ķ�Ӧ�������������Ч�ʡ�
775
00:54:07,444 --> 00:54:09,678
- Hey, whatever you need,you got it.
-�٣���������Ҫʲô���Ҷ����㡣
776
00:54:09,747 --> 00:54:12,047
We'll go wherever we need to,wherever best.
����Ҫȥ�����ȥ���ȥ��õĵط���
777
00:54:12,116 --> 00:54:17,319
Some people think they're owed everything.Nothing's enough.
��Щ����Ϊ�����ǰ�һ�ж���ÿ����ˡ�ɶ�����������ˡ�
778
00:54:18,256 --> 00:54:20,155
- Walter was Michael's accountant.
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779
00:54:20,157 --> 00:54:26,428
If he controlled Michael's money and she controlled the MDMA,
they had control over Michael.
��������������˶���Ǯ�����������ˡ�ҡͷ�衱�����ǾͿ��������˶���
780
00:54:27,431 --> 00:54:32,934
Then he was really outraged when they said, oh, by the way,
we're a married couple now.
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781
00:54:33,003 --> 00:54:35,504
That's when Michael lost it.
���˶���������ʱ��ʧȥ���ǵġ�
782
00:54:35,506 --> 00:54:38,874
He had only been paying $2,000 a kilo prior to that,
�ڴ�֮ǰ����ֻ����2000��Ԫһ����ļ۸�
783
00:54:38,876 --> 00:54:43,078
and they unilaterally decided they wanted to raise the price
to $7,000 a kilo,
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784
00:54:43,147 --> 00:54:46,515
which was the reason he decided to find a new chemist,
�������������һ���µĻ�ѧ�ҵ�ԭ��
785
00:54:46,517 --> 00:54:49,384
because he didn't want to work with them and pay those prices,
��Ϊ�������������������һ������֧�������ļ۸�
786
00:54:49,387 --> 00:54:52,420
even though he was still making the lion's share.
���ܣ�����Ȼ��ռ������ֺ�����ݶ
787
00:54:54,124 --> 00:54:58,927
- It was harder and harder to get the funding and support.
-����ʽ��֧�֣����Խ��Խ�ѡ�
788
00:54:58,929 --> 00:55:01,396
And we had to pay the people.We had to let go of the people.
���ǻ��ø�Ǯ����Щ�ˡ����DZ����뿪��Щ�ˡ�
789
00:55:01,399 --> 00:55:04,266
We had to use our own money when the money didn't come.
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790
00:55:04,335 --> 00:55:06,368
- We're making our plans, Walt.
-���������ƶ��ƻ����ֶ��ء�
791
00:55:06,436 --> 00:55:08,270
The money's being moved, invested.
Ǯ��ת�ơ�Ͷ���ˡ�
792
00:55:08,338 --> 00:55:10,872
You know? We can't really talk about it right now.
��֪�����������ڲ���̸�����
793
00:55:10,875 --> 00:55:12,474
- It's not your money, that's our money.
-�ⲻ�����Ǯ�������ǵ�Ǯ��
794
00:55:12,476 --> 00:55:15,110
- It was pretty dark and intense.
-���Ƿdz��ڰ��ͼ��ҵġ�
795
00:55:15,112 --> 00:55:20,615
Things didn't pan out really well,
so anxiety levels were at an all-time high.
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796
00:55:20,618 --> 00:55:22,785
It was very trying, right?
�ܷ��ˣ��ɣ�
797
00:55:23,521 --> 00:55:27,890
The Mexican facility was shut down before 1988
ī����Ĺ�����1988��֮ǰ�ر��ˣ�
798
00:55:27,958 --> 00:55:33,962
because there was no money coming from the Texas group
to support that plant.
��Ϊû�����ԡ��¿���˹���š����ʽ���֧�����������
799
00:55:34,698 --> 00:55:38,033
- He told me, "I'll never have anything to do with
Walter and Carina again.
-�������ң�������Ҳ������ֶ��غͿ��������κι�ϵ�ˡ�
800
00:55:38,035 --> 00:55:44,273
"She's nice,and she's competent,and I love her,
but I can't stand Walter,and he's corrupted her."
�����ܺã����ܸɣ��Ұ����������Ҳ��������ֶ��أ��������軵�ˡ���
801
00:55:47,711 --> 00:55:51,146
Mexico shut down.The operation was going to move.
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802
00:55:51,214 --> 00:55:56,318
I said, I would prefer that we did this in a country
where MDMA is still completely legal
��˵���Ҹ�ϣ����������һ����ҡͷ�衱��Ȼ��ȫ�Ϸ��Ĺ��ң�������£�
803
00:55:56,386 --> 00:55:58,387
for us to be able to do this work openly.
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804
00:55:58,455 --> 00:56:00,188
So that was the dream.That was the goal.
������ҵ����롣��������ǵ�Ŀ�ꡣ
805
00:56:00,191 --> 00:56:02,358
(Latin music)
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806
00:56:05,262 --> 00:56:08,130
So I finally connect with Michael, and he says,
������������ϵ�������˶�����˵��
807
00:56:08,198 --> 00:56:11,367
I've got the perfect location for us to set up.
������һ�������ĵص㣬���ǿ��������ィ����
808
00:56:11,435 --> 00:56:14,469
- All of the corporations I had for business were Panamanian.
-�����еĹ�˾���ǰ������ġ�
809
00:56:14,472 --> 00:56:16,605
- He goes, all right, we're going to Panama.
-��˵���ðɣ�����ȥ��������
810
00:56:16,607 --> 00:56:19,508
And I just laughed at him.I said, are you joking?
��ֻ�dz�Ц������˵�����ڿ���Ц�ɣ�
811
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:22,444
Michael invested millions of dollars.
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812
00:56:22,446 --> 00:56:24,546
I told him he was crazy.
�Ҹ���˵�����Ƿ��ˡ�
813
00:56:24,615 --> 00:56:26,848
He said, don't be closed-minded.
��˵����Ҫ��˼�����ˡ�
814
00:56:26,851 --> 00:56:28,717
Keep an open mind until you meet Werner.
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815
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:36,024
Werner was a very impressive,tall,distinguished,
stereotypical Swiss businessma.
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816
00:56:36,026 --> 00:56:37,793
Werner's wife was Simone.
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817
00:56:37,795 --> 00:56:41,863
She was a cosmetologist in Panama for an upper-class clientele.
���ǰ�������һ������ʦ��Ϊһλ�������Ŀͻ�����
818
00:56:41,866 --> 00:56:47,102
And it just so happened that the dictator, Manuel Noriega,
was one of her clients.
����������Ŭ������ŵ�мӣ�ǡ�������Ŀͻ�֮һ��
819
00:56:47,171 --> 00:56:51,673
Noriega had severe acne scars,and she was treating him for his acne.
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820
00:56:51,675 --> 00:56:54,243
He was eager to try MDMA.
����������ҡͷ�衣
821
00:56:54,978 --> 00:57:00,215
He and Simone went to one of his remote beach houses
and took MDMA together.
����������һ��ȥ��ƫƧ�ĺ�����������ʳҡͷ�衣
822
00:57:01,551 --> 00:57:07,355
He curled up in a fetal positin and put his head in her lap
and was crying like a baby.
����̥��һ�����һ�ţ���ͷ�����������ϣ������Ӥ����
823
00:57:07,358 --> 00:57:08,724
He was reliving...
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824
00:57:11,429 --> 00:57:14,329
He was reliving his childhood trauma
��������ͯ��Ĵ��ˣ�
825
00:57:14,398 --> 00:57:17,866
and talking about,his nickname growing up was Cara de Pi?a,
��̸�������ɳ������е��dz��ǡ��������¡�Ƥ�ɡ���
826
00:57:17,868 --> 00:57:20,936
which is pineapple face,because of the acne, and he said
Ҳ����һ�š�������������Ϊ�����˷۴̣���˵��
827
00:57:21,004 --> 00:57:24,005
that no woman would ever love him with that face.
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828
00:57:24,008 --> 00:57:27,509
And he was so impressed by the experience
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829
00:57:27,577 --> 00:57:31,113
that he offered Simone and Werner
���������Ⱥ�ά�����ṩ�ˣ�
830
00:57:31,181 --> 00:57:35,951
the opportunity to set up a manufacturing facility in Panama
under his protection.
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831
00:57:36,753 --> 00:57:41,389
And then we turn on the news on December 20th of 1989
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832
00:57:41,392 --> 00:57:45,427
and see helicopters attacking Panama.
����ֱ����Ϯ����������
833
00:57:47,264 --> 00:57:50,699
All of a sudden, I get a call one day from Werner.
ͻȻ��һ�죬�ҽӵ���ά���ɵĵ绰��
834
00:57:50,701 --> 00:57:53,435
He says, Michael's withdrawn all of his support for Panama
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835
00:57:54,137 --> 00:57:56,238
and wants to go to Brazil instead.
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836
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,440
(lively music)
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837
00:58:02,812 --> 00:58:05,247
- Ecstasy was legal in Brazil.
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838
00:58:05,249 --> 00:58:06,281
They didn't even know what it was.
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839
00:58:06,349 --> 00:58:07,582
They'd never even heard of it.
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840
00:58:07,585 --> 00:58:12,788
We bought a pharmaceutical company
that was legally making pharmaceutical products
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841
00:58:13,524 --> 00:58:16,258
and started making ecstasy there.
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842
00:58:16,260 --> 00:58:18,126
And we needed the whole facility.
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843
00:58:18,128 --> 00:58:21,563
- So we found the old facility. It was completely broken down.
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844
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:24,933
Bom dia.
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845
00:58:25,002 --> 00:58:32,841
You would have had an easier time trying to buy weapons-grade
plutonium at the time than to buy any large quantities of methylamine.
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846
00:58:33,477 --> 00:58:38,146
I found a Brazilian chemical directory and found a company in Sao Paulo.
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847
00:58:38,148 --> 00:58:42,617
I said, I'd like to get 20,000 kilos of the material.
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848
00:58:42,686 --> 00:58:45,354
And it was enough to make 10 million doses of MDMA.
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849
00:58:46,222 --> 00:58:47,823
Michael thought that that was great,
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850
00:58:47,891 --> 00:58:49,157
that we were gonna take it up a notch,
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851
00:58:49,225 --> 00:58:54,963
because he was still envisioning from 100 kilos to metric ton
quantities of MDMA every month.
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852
00:58:58,668 --> 00:59:01,370
- It was like this beast that had to be fed.
-������һͷ����Ҫιʳ��Ұ�ޡ�
853
00:59:02,773 --> 00:59:05,841
Whatever you come up with,the mind can find a better way to do it.
�������뵽ʲô�����Զ����ҵ����õķ���ȥ����
854
00:59:06,876 --> 00:59:13,048
And urges you,like you need more,like you need more love,
you need more money,you need more health.
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855
00:59:14,651 --> 00:59:16,852
That's a low level of consciousness.
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856
00:59:16,954 --> 00:59:19,388
("Smalltown Boy" by Bronski Beat)
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857
00:59:19,488 --> 00:59:21,688
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858
00:59:21,758 --> 00:59:25,360
- The 1990s was a very exciting time to be a DEA agent.
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859
00:59:25,362 --> 00:59:28,697
I was looking forward to Mondays and it was a lot of fun.
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860
00:59:31,135 --> 00:59:33,201
It was just a normal day at the office,
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861
00:59:33,203 --> 00:59:35,404
and we were working with a cooperating source,
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862
00:59:35,472 --> 00:59:39,207
and this cooperating source was hoping for a reduction in his sentence.
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863
00:59:39,209 --> 00:59:43,345
And the source asked if we'd ever heard of ecstasy.
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864
00:59:43,413 --> 00:59:45,013
I didn't know what it was.
�ҵ�ʱ��֪��������ʲô��
865
00:59:45,015 --> 00:59:48,917
We provided an undercover address to send a sample of MDMA.
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866
00:59:48,986 --> 00:59:53,622
Two or three days later,I checked,and inside the envelope was an ink pen.
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867
01:00:07,838 --> 01:00:10,806
It was MDMA of very good quality.
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868
01:00:12,942 --> 01:00:17,579
Also during that phone call,this cooperating source indicated
���Ǵ�ͨ���У���λ���������˱�ʾ��
869
01:00:17,581 --> 01:00:22,384
that there was an older gentleman he knew
that was sitting on a kilogram of MDMA.
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870
01:00:22,386 --> 01:00:25,454
He was later identified as Peter Weber.
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871
01:00:29,959 --> 01:00:34,062
Peter Weber flew to Jacksonville, Florida,met with us,
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872
01:00:34,131 --> 01:00:37,466
and we subsequently arrested Weber.
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873
01:00:37,534 --> 01:00:42,571
we get a telephone call from his attorney
saying that Mr. Weber would like to fully cooperate with us.
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874
01:00:44,274 --> 01:00:48,043
Apparently, Weber was a clairvoyant.
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875
01:00:48,845 --> 01:00:50,345
So if you're so clairvoyant,
�������ô�ж�������
876
01:00:51,348 --> 01:00:53,548
how come you didn't see us busting you in Jacksonville?
��ôû�����������ڽܿ�ѷά��ץ�㣿
877
01:00:53,617 --> 01:00:56,051
And Weber said he had the flu.
Τ��˵���������С�
878
01:00:56,053 --> 01:00:59,154
- Sinuses interfere with the signals.
-���������źš�
879
01:00:59,222 --> 01:01:01,223
(chuckling) - It's fact.
[Ц��] -������ʵ��
880
01:01:08,064 --> 01:01:11,533
Weber told us that Clegg was a former priest,
Τ���������ǣ���������ǰ�Ǹ���ʦ��
881
01:01:11,703 --> 01:01:14,369
and that he was the CEO,if you will.
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882
01:01:14,437 --> 01:01:16,971
He was the big guy of this MDMA organization.
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883
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,474
And he also identified several other players.
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884
01:01:21,511 --> 01:01:25,580
He talked about a couple of chemists that worked for the organization.
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885
01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:28,883
At some point, Weber's information helped us
��ij�̶ֳ��ϣ�Τ������Ϣ��������
886
01:01:28,952 --> 01:01:33,488
to identify the aircraft and also conduct
an electronic surveillance of that aircraft.
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887
01:01:33,490 --> 01:01:35,657
(electronic music)
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888
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,700
(beeping)
[������]
889
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:56,611
Weber told me that he had a SkyTel pager,a US-wide pager.
Τ�������ң�����һ��SkyTel�Ƶ�Ѱ������һ��ȫ����Χ��Ѱ������
890
01:01:56,613 --> 01:01:58,780
And we thought, hey,that's pretty super cool.
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891
01:01:59,650 --> 01:02:03,318
We'd go meet Weber,take him to a pay phone,
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892
01:02:03,386 --> 01:02:07,956
and we would record calls to Clegg and other individuals.
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893
01:02:07,958 --> 01:02:12,394
Weber's phone calls led to undercover meetings in person,
Τ���ĵ绰�ٳ������˵����ܻ��棬
894
01:02:12,462 --> 01:02:16,465
in which Clegg would totally incriminate himself and others.
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895
01:02:17,767 --> 01:02:20,902
- I need to know if there's anything I need to be worried about.
-����Ҫ֪�����Ƿ���ʲô������Ҫ���ĵġ�
896
01:02:21,671 --> 01:02:23,204
- Here? - Yes!
-����� -�ǵģ�
897
01:02:23,273 --> 01:02:24,873
I need Ross Peterson.
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898
01:02:24,941 --> 01:02:26,374
- Ross Peterson?
-��˹���˵�ɭ��
899
01:02:28,879 --> 01:02:30,779
- Mmm...
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900
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,688
- Clegg talked about the organization.
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901
01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:43,658
They were all incriminated, and Clegg buried himself.
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902
01:02:43,660 --> 01:02:45,527
It was an illegal drug.
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903
01:02:45,529 --> 01:02:49,331
They were breaking the law,and they had to be taken down.
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904
01:02:52,869 --> 01:02:58,406
(electronic dance music)
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905
01:02:58,474 --> 01:03:00,142
- Whoa. Slow down.
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906
01:03:04,380 --> 01:03:05,547
What?
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907
01:03:05,615 --> 01:03:11,286
Michael told all of us that, definitively, MDMA was still legal in Brazil.
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908
01:03:11,288 --> 01:03:13,488
Trouble is, this was before the internet.
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909
01:03:14,691 --> 01:03:19,127
Werner has gotten some feedback from attorneys
about the status of MDMA in Brazil.
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910
01:03:20,163 --> 01:03:22,230
In May of 1990,
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911
01:03:22,299 --> 01:03:25,867
he came back and said,"I have bad news.
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912
01:03:26,103 --> 01:03:30,138
This drug is not legal in Brazil."
������ҩ���ڰ������ǷǷ����ˡ���
������.����ɭ���л���ѧ�ң�
913
01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:35,476
So I said,"I'm not willing to take a risk of doing anything illegal,
are you?" And he said, no, no way.
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914
01:03:35,479 --> 01:03:38,646
-I'm not going firm until we know the status.
-������֪�����֮ǰ�����Dz���ȷ���ġ�
915
01:03:38,649 --> 01:03:41,050
We can ship it to somewhere where it's still legal
and finish it there, OK?
���ǿ������˵��Ϸ��ĵط�Ȼ����������ɣ�����
916
01:03:41,150 --> 01:03:44,452
- Hey, we're working on that.We're moving the operation to Africa.
-�٣�����������취������Ҫ�ѻ���ת�Ƶ����ޡ�
917
01:03:44,454 --> 01:03:45,486
- Africa?
-���ޣ�
918
01:03:45,555 --> 01:03:47,121
James is one of the smugglers,
ղķ˹����˽��֮һ��
919
01:03:47,124 --> 01:03:48,823
so he goes to West Africa,
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920
01:03:48,826 --> 01:03:51,125
is introduced to the prime minister,
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921
01:03:51,128 --> 01:03:54,229
turns the prime minister and his wife on to MDMA,
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922
01:03:54,231 --> 01:03:55,997
and just like Noriega,
����ŵ�м�������
923
01:03:56,066 --> 01:03:59,000
they're excited about the idea of psychedelic tourism
���Ƕ��Ի����ε��뷨�е��˷ܣ�
924
01:03:59,068 --> 01:04:04,439
and invite to manufacture MDMA in Ghana under their protection.
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925
01:04:04,441 --> 01:04:06,140
And now Paulina's pissed
���ڣ������Ⱥ�������
926
01:04:06,209 --> 01:04:09,344
that they haven't got anything to show for all the money that they put in so far,
��Ϊ����Ͷ������ô��Ǯ����ĿǰΪֹ��û���κγɹ���
927
01:04:09,346 --> 01:04:12,581
so they begged and pleaded with me to make some MDMA for them.
���ԣ����ǿ����Ҹ����ǣ���һЩҡͷ�衣
928
01:04:14,584 --> 01:04:17,518
So I wrestled with that for quite a while.
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929
01:04:17,521 --> 01:04:19,754
I decided to go ahead and make some MDMA,
�Ҿ�����������һЩҡͷ�裬
930
01:04:19,822 --> 01:04:26,828
which was supposed to help fund the project legally
in Western Africa at that point.
�Ȿ����Ϊ�ˣ������ǺϷ��أ�Ϊ�����Ŀ�ṩ�ʽ�
931
01:04:26,830 --> 01:04:29,831
It worked better on a lab scale than it did on scale-up.
����ʵ���ҹ�ģ�ϣ����ڹ�ģ��Ч�����á�
932
01:04:29,899 --> 01:04:31,066
There were some problems.
��һЩ���⡣
933
01:04:31,702 --> 01:04:38,673
April of '91, I hear that Paulina was disturbed
that things weren't happening faster in Brazil.
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934
01:04:38,675 --> 01:04:42,878
So she needed Michael to go back in to try to make amends with Carina.
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935
01:04:42,978 --> 01:04:44,578
1991�ꡣ������
936
01:04:44,648 --> 01:04:47,883
- Michael Clegg came to visit s in Lake Tahoe.
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937
01:04:48,852 --> 01:04:55,523
We opened our home,and I was actually mad and furious at Walt
for having done that.��������.��ά��������ѧ�ң�
���Ǵ��˼��ţ��Ҷ��ֶ�����ô������������
938
01:04:55,525 --> 01:04:59,894
Michael Clegg was still in the sales operation of MDMA,
���˶����������ڴ���ҡͷ������۹�����
939
01:04:59,897 --> 01:05:02,931
and we had to kind of protect ourselves.
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940
01:05:03,633 --> 01:05:08,002
Walt and I had this line that
there would be no nexus to the United States.
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941
01:05:08,005 --> 01:05:10,571
Well, I'm sorry you made this trip for nothing.
�ܱ�Ǹ�����������һ�ˡ�
942
01:05:10,574 --> 01:05:11,773
- Carina.
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943
01:05:12,575 --> 01:05:16,745
- Good. Listen,the past is in the past.
-�ܺá����ţ���ȥ�ģ���������ȥ�ɡ�
944
01:05:16,813 --> 01:05:19,180
I'm ready to move on if you are.
�������Ը�⣬��Ҳ������ǰ���ˡ�
945
01:05:19,182 --> 01:05:25,220
If you agree,then you come on board,you do your work,
you get paid, you leave.
�����ͬ�⣬��ô��ͼ��룬������Ĺ�������õ����꣬����뿪��
946
01:05:27,424 --> 01:05:28,490
- OK.
-�ðɡ�
947
01:05:29,693 --> 01:05:33,061
- There's no one who does exactly like what you do.
-û���˺������ģ���ȫһ����
948
01:05:34,097 --> 01:05:35,630
- There's a chemist down there.
-�DZ��и���ѧ�ҡ�
949
01:05:35,699 --> 01:05:39,767
He's had three years down the line and there's no product.
���Ѿ����������ˣ���û�в�Ʒ��
950
01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:41,770
- Michael told her all these...
-���˶�����������Щ...
951
01:05:42,638 --> 01:05:46,040
stories that I couldn't get the product to crystallize,
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952
01:05:46,109 --> 01:05:48,376
that I was a burnt-out hippie from the 60s,
˵����60�������Ƥʿ��
953
01:05:48,445 --> 01:05:49,711
all this kind of stuff.
�������ġ�
954
01:05:49,713 --> 01:05:51,579
(sighing) - So...
[̾Ϣ] -��ô...
955
01:05:51,648 --> 01:05:52,914
what'll it take?
Ҫ��ô����
956
01:05:59,555 --> 01:06:01,723
- Michael made the statement,
-���˶�������˵�ģ�
957
01:06:01,725 --> 01:06:03,958
if it's $3 million that you want,
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958
01:06:04,027 --> 01:06:05,327
then so be it.
�Ǿ���ɡ�
959
01:06:05,963 --> 01:06:08,697
That's what I'm gonna offer you to go to Brazil.
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960
01:06:10,468 --> 01:06:12,700
- I can do three.
-�ҿ��������˸�Ǯ��
961
01:06:12,803 --> 01:06:15,570
- I wasn't sure if I was already pregnant at this time, I said,
-�Ҳ�ȷ���ҵ�ʱ�Ƿ��Ѿ������ˣ���˵��
962
01:06:15,572 --> 01:06:17,072
I have to make a decision.
�ұ�������������
963
01:06:17,140 --> 01:06:18,806
So I decided to go.
���ǣ��Ҿ���ȥ��
964
01:06:19,710 --> 01:06:21,075
It's in Brazil.
�����ڰ�����
965
01:06:21,244 --> 01:06:24,279
It's my faint hope that maybe it's legal there.
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966
01:06:25,582 --> 01:06:27,449
(lively music)
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967
01:06:41,765 --> 01:06:44,799
I had, like, a guardian when I went to Brazil.
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968
01:06:44,801 --> 01:06:46,834
And Michael said,You're going to go with someone.
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969
01:06:46,837 --> 01:06:49,604
He would not let Walt travel with me.
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970
01:06:49,606 --> 01:06:54,275
You have to expand the surface area at a higher ratio when crystallizing.
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971
01:06:54,277 --> 01:06:58,846
And I looked at it, and it was almost like in polymer form,
you know, like taffy form.
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972
01:06:58,849 --> 01:07:03,117
It wasn't a liquid,and it wasn't a crystal.
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973
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,186
It was somewhere in between.
��������֮�䡣
974
01:07:05,254 --> 01:07:07,321
- She was very hostile.
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975
01:07:07,324 --> 01:07:11,826
She was putting pressure on me
to get all the lab notebooks and production records.
������ʩ��ѹ����Ҫ���õ����е�ʵ��ʼǺ�������¼��
976
01:07:11,828 --> 01:07:15,630
And I couldn't understand why she was so insistent at the time,
�Ҳ����ף�����ʱΪʲô��ô��֣�
977
01:07:15,632 --> 01:07:18,233
and I knew that what they wanted to do was push me aside.
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978
01:07:18,869 --> 01:07:22,470
Making MDMA isn't the issue.
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979
01:07:24,808 --> 01:07:29,243
After the first night of hostility,
I asked her if she wanted to take MDMA.
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980
01:07:29,312 --> 01:07:33,047
And immediately, as soon as she started feeling the effects,
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981
01:07:33,116 --> 01:07:34,582
she let her guard down,
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982
01:07:34,651 --> 01:07:37,885
and she wasn't acting like Michael's henchman anymore.
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983
01:07:37,888 --> 01:07:40,255
I was drawing her in to be more on my side.
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984
01:07:40,323 --> 01:07:43,024
Still wasn't ready to share all my secrets with her, though.
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985
01:07:43,026 --> 01:07:47,829
- I said, how do you crystallize?
And he was doing a wet crystallization process.
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986
01:07:47,897 --> 01:07:50,732
I said, let's do gas.
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987
01:07:52,001 --> 01:07:57,338
So we succeeded, and I did see that the crystals were generated.
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988
01:07:58,508 --> 01:08:05,313
The Brazilian operation yielded 150 kilograms of MDMA for Michael Clegg.
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989
01:08:05,381 --> 01:08:08,883
On the streets, that value is $50 million.
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990
01:08:09,652 --> 01:08:13,921
And illegality is,you know, right here.
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991
01:08:13,924 --> 01:08:16,424
So it's facing all of us, right?
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992
01:08:16,426 --> 01:08:19,360
- Everything that was made in Brazil ended up in Europe.
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993
01:08:19,362 --> 01:08:21,462
It had its own momentum from that point on.
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994
01:08:21,531 --> 01:08:23,865
I really wasn't doing that much marketing.
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995
01:08:23,867 --> 01:08:26,868
We shipped it over there. We shipped it legally.
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996
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:29,437
You know, we declared it.No problem.
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997
01:08:32,341 --> 01:08:34,909
I went to a different disco every night.
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998
01:08:35,845 --> 01:08:39,147
We would bring it in and give it away free.
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999
01:08:39,215 --> 01:08:40,915
Everybody get high.
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1000
01:08:41,684 --> 01:08:45,253
And then the next day,everybody was saying,where can I get this?
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1001
01:08:45,321 --> 01:08:49,157
That was great.Basically, I traveled around Europe.
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1002
01:08:49,225 --> 01:08:53,828
It was the celebrity of the century.
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1003
01:08:53,896 --> 01:08:56,498
And everywhere you went,
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1004
01:08:57,333 --> 01:09:00,401
you were more welcome than God himself.
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1005
01:09:01,638 --> 01:09:05,907
- But we need to be vigilant with our supply
at least until Brazil is in full operation.
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1006
01:09:07,377 --> 01:09:09,477
- Millions of dollars flown through it.
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1007
01:09:10,246 --> 01:09:14,149
A playboy's hands is not a good...thing for marriage.
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1008
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:18,853
I was not a good husband.
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1009
01:09:18,922 --> 01:09:22,089
I was too busy promoting ecstasy.
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1010
01:09:22,092 --> 01:09:24,825
It was fun for a while, but again, like everything in life,
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1011
01:09:24,894 --> 01:09:26,527
it wears off, you know, it...
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1012
01:09:26,530 --> 01:09:28,830
It's not so much fun later on.
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1013
01:09:35,805 --> 01:09:40,474
- Paulina told me she wanted a divorce
because Michael would go through these episodes,
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1014
01:09:40,477 --> 01:09:43,177
from mania to severe depression,
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1015
01:09:43,180 --> 01:09:44,979
where he would drink himself into oblivion.
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1016
01:09:44,981 --> 01:09:46,681
He was definitely falling apart.
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1017
01:09:46,749 --> 01:09:51,619
And I'd never seen anybody drink so much,
even when he was taking MDMA.
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1018
01:09:52,222 --> 01:09:57,559
- When I had the most money and the most toys,
I was the most unhappy in my whole life.
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1019
01:09:57,627 --> 01:09:59,760
I wished it would all stop,
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1020
01:09:59,829 --> 01:10:03,297
you know, and just let us...keep what we got and settle down.
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1021
01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:05,433
I wanted to get off the merry-go-round.
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1022
01:10:05,435 --> 01:10:07,168
I just couldn't. It was too big.
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1023
01:10:09,138 --> 01:10:11,973
Please allow this body to relax completely,
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1024
01:10:12,041 --> 01:10:15,043
and please advise us when this has been accomplished.
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1025
01:10:15,712 --> 01:10:17,545
- It is.
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1026
01:10:18,582 --> 01:10:22,483
- And he thought that they could tap into the spirit world to find out
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1027
01:10:22,485 --> 01:10:25,253
why nothing was working right in the operation.
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1028
01:10:26,723 --> 01:10:33,761
- Peter Weber was being paid by the DEA $2,700 a month
to point out where everyone is.
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1029
01:10:35,331 --> 01:10:38,733
- I found a microcassette tape.
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1030
01:10:38,735 --> 01:10:45,840
I could hear an individual who I knew to be Peter Weber
in some type of trance.
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1031
01:10:45,842 --> 01:10:49,910
And he's very asthmatic,so Weber was very easy to identify.
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1032
01:10:49,913 --> 01:10:54,449
And people were asking him questions,
specifically Michael Clegg.
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1033
01:10:54,517 --> 01:10:56,951
- Give us the name once more, please.
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1034
01:10:57,020 --> 01:10:58,653
- Robert McMillen.
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1035
01:10:58,721 --> 01:11:01,922
- Specifically, they talked about an individual named Bob McMillen,
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1036
01:11:01,925 --> 01:11:06,261
who was the number one buyer
for Clegg's MDMA in the United States.
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1037
01:11:07,163 --> 01:11:13,134
And McMillen had apparently got arrested by DEA
somewhere out west and was serving time in prison.
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1038
01:11:13,202 --> 01:11:18,306
It was obvious that Clegg wanted to know if McMillen was cooperating
with authorities. He was worried.
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1039
01:11:19,075 --> 01:11:22,977
It was just crazy stuff,but it was totally incriminating.
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1040
01:11:23,013 --> 01:11:24,113
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1041
01:11:24,213 --> 01:11:29,617
- Would he also be a danger to us in our financial dealings in Europe?
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1042
01:11:29,685 --> 01:11:33,488
- Understand you this,in any relationship that is established,
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1043
01:11:34,490 --> 01:11:37,458
it is always a relationship that is deserved.
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1044
01:11:37,658 --> 01:11:40,158
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1045
01:11:44,668 --> 01:11:47,402
- I stopped in California.
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1046
01:11:48,170 --> 01:11:50,271
I was staying out of the State.
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1047
01:11:50,340 --> 01:11:51,605
I wasn't having anything to do.
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1048
01:11:51,608 --> 01:11:53,107
I just had to refuel.
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1049
01:11:54,877 --> 01:11:56,610
I flew in. Actually,
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1050
01:11:56,679 --> 01:11:58,379
I had my little Jack Russell Terrier with me.
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1051
01:11:58,447 --> 01:12:00,014
(police sirens)
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1052
01:12:00,083 --> 01:12:02,283
(dramatic music)
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1053
01:12:05,955 --> 01:12:07,522
- DEA! Hands up!
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1054
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:09,791
You're under arrest, Clegg.
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1055
01:12:11,027 --> 01:12:14,595
We decided to go ahead and effect arrest of Clegg.
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1056
01:12:15,599 --> 01:12:18,132
- They had the whole police force out there.
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1057
01:12:18,134 --> 01:12:19,800
It was quite a shock.
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1058
01:12:19,803 --> 01:12:21,502
They were doing a victory danc.
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1059
01:12:21,504 --> 01:12:25,373
You know, I'm on the ground with my hands handcuffed behind my back.
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1060
01:12:26,976 --> 01:12:31,310
It's like they got Al Capone or something.
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1061
01:12:31,514 --> 01:12:35,416
That's why it was such an... incredible fall
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1062
01:12:36,185 --> 01:12:37,485
into nothingness.
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1063
01:12:39,789 --> 01:12:41,723
- Around the time
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1064
01:12:41,791 --> 01:12:46,861
that he's getting busted is around the time
where the FDA opens the door to psychedelic research.
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1065
01:12:46,863 --> 01:12:50,797
(pop music)
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1066
01:12:50,801 --> 01:12:52,900
- I get a call
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1067
01:12:52,969 --> 01:12:59,974
from someone who says, Well,you probably don't know me
or don't know who I am,but my name is Rick Doblin.
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1068
01:12:59,976 --> 01:13:07,148
He asked if I had any interest in conducting research,
clinical research with MDMA.
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1069
01:13:07,150 --> 01:13:08,883
And I said, absolutely.
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1070
01:13:08,885 --> 01:13:11,753
This looks like a fascinating compound.
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1071
01:13:11,821 --> 01:13:14,355
I wrote up the protocol.
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1072
01:13:14,357 --> 01:13:18,760
This was essentially a phase one study
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1073
01:13:18,828 --> 01:13:27,201
designed to explore safety and physiological
and psychological effects in normal volunteers.
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1074
01:13:27,203 --> 01:13:32,239
The FDA convened in mid-July 1992.
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1075
01:13:32,242 --> 01:13:37,879
They debated my protocol and we were formally approved.
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1076
01:13:38,647 --> 01:13:40,381
- What the hell just happened?
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1077
01:13:41,517 --> 01:13:43,417
It just felt like...
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1078
01:13:43,420 --> 01:13:47,021
multiple decades of suppression of research had ended.
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1079
01:13:47,023 --> 01:13:49,123
When I look back right now,
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1080
01:13:49,191 --> 01:13:55,797
that was the critical moment in the entire history over the last 50 years of psychedelics.
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1081
01:13:57,734 --> 01:14:00,868
- We walked to the remote part of the parking lot.
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1082
01:14:00,937 --> 01:14:02,403
No one could see us there.
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1083
01:14:02,405 --> 01:14:05,973
And Rick took out a joint,and we had a celebratory smoke.
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1084
01:14:06,042 --> 01:14:07,809
(upbeat music)
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1085
01:14:08,744 --> 01:14:10,144
- Good work, Doc.
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1086
01:14:10,146 --> 01:14:11,779
- Great work, Dob.
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1087
01:14:16,619 --> 01:14:18,653
- They wanted a life sentence
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1088
01:14:19,555 --> 01:14:21,656
for that, life without parole.
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1089
01:14:22,759 --> 01:14:26,427
- And I told them, I said, well,I won't fight this in court.
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1090
01:14:26,496 --> 01:14:30,097
I'll cooperate with you if you give her a pass.
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1091
01:14:30,166 --> 01:14:35,002
They went after her in a big way. They called her the Queen Bee.
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1092
01:14:36,872 --> 01:14:39,841
- It's their opportunityto tell us everything.
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1093
01:14:41,277 --> 01:14:45,112
It'll probably take you a while,
so get started on your list of associates.
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1094
01:14:45,114 --> 01:14:51,585
- I gave away all the assets, too,and got my wife free,free and clear.
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1095
01:14:51,588 --> 01:14:54,054
When they found out the whole story,
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1096
01:14:54,523 --> 01:14:56,590
they couldn't touch her.
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1097
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:05,699
(sorrowful music)
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1098
01:15:05,768 --> 01:15:07,735
(police sirens)
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1099
01:15:10,673 --> 01:15:12,373
(sobbing)
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1100
01:15:13,676 --> 01:15:18,279
- I was appalled that he didn't spare me,
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1101
01:15:18,281 --> 01:15:23,150
and that I was the one that kind of gave him success.
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1102
01:15:23,152 --> 01:15:26,220
I was really disappointed in that.
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1103
01:15:27,857 --> 01:15:31,859
Michael Clegg gave me up to spare Paulina.
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1104
01:15:32,495 --> 01:15:36,163
When I got arrested,Pauline went to Rick for help.
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1105
01:15:37,500 --> 01:15:41,802
And they put up an incredible legal defense.
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1106
01:15:41,804 --> 01:15:45,573
I didn't have that much to do with his defense.
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1107
01:15:45,575 --> 01:15:51,646
But by this point in time,we were trying
to make everything that we did research public.
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1108
01:15:52,281 --> 01:15:56,350
I thought it just was another tragedy, in a way,
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1109
01:15:56,418 --> 01:16:01,289
because the way I viewed it is,a lot of people are benefiting
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1110
01:16:02,424 --> 01:16:05,826
from having access to ecstasy.
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1111
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:12,199
There is irony that Michael's donation of the MDMA created the resources
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1112
01:16:12,201 --> 01:16:17,605
to do an initial safety study in the summer of '84.
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1113
01:16:17,673 --> 01:16:24,345
Then, starting in '92,we were able to do this dose response safety study.
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1114
01:16:24,347 --> 01:16:27,214
- Dr. Grob, we have an issue.
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1115
01:16:27,216 --> 01:16:29,350
- She said, Dr. Grob, I have a problem.
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1116
01:16:29,352 --> 01:16:33,887
I said, well, what's that? She says, my nurses
are spending too much time with your subjects.
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1117
01:16:33,890 --> 01:16:40,194
So evidently, my subjects were keenly interested
in the life histories of their nurses.
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1118
01:16:40,196 --> 01:16:43,164
So these subjects were, you know,
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1119
01:16:43,799 --> 01:16:45,933
were very empathic,
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1120
01:16:46,035 --> 01:16:49,003
which is one of the salient features of MDMA.
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1121
01:16:49,071 --> 01:16:51,305
- What was helpful to Michael
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1122
01:16:51,374 --> 01:16:58,145
was the early study that we did and also the way in which
we had started challenging the neurotoxicity
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1123
01:16:59,181 --> 01:17:06,320
and also all these stories of people that had
incredible therapeutic benefits.
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1124
01:17:06,389 --> 01:17:12,359
When we think of the number of veterans that have committed suicide,
the number of people that have committed suicide from PTSD,
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1125
01:17:12,428 --> 01:17:14,428
the number of people suffering,
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1126
01:17:14,496 --> 01:17:18,532
there's just an enormous amount of suffering
that could have been avoided
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1127
01:17:19,835 --> 01:17:24,304
if the DEA had never criminalized MDMA.
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1128
01:17:26,204 --> 01:17:30,004
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1129
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,547
(unsettling music)
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1130
01:17:33,616 --> 01:17:39,953
- They picked the worst, most violent prison in the whole system,
which was Terminal Island in Long Beach.
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1131
01:17:39,956 --> 01:17:42,156
That's where they sentenced me to do my five years.
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1132
01:17:42,925 --> 01:17:47,895
I was fearing for my life every minute I was in there.
I mean, it was violent.
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1133
01:17:48,564 --> 01:17:52,233
Stepping over bodies occasionally, you know.
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1134
01:17:55,638 --> 01:18:00,307
- Incarceration was one of the toughest things
I've ever faced in my entire life.
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1135
01:18:01,644 --> 01:18:06,747
So I essentially raised my spirituality to survive.
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1136
01:18:06,947 --> 01:18:08,947
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1137
01:18:09,447 --> 01:18:11,947
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1138
01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:16,790
- I do my time in the state prison in Mule Creek.
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1139
01:18:16,859 --> 01:18:18,759
So I thought I was free.
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1140
01:18:18,761 --> 01:18:21,362
They sent me to Jacksonville.
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1141
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:24,865
And lo and behold, there was Michael.
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1142
01:18:24,934 --> 01:18:29,136
I got a call from the prosecutr in Jacksonville, and he said,
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1143
01:18:29,138 --> 01:18:31,505
Here's what Michael said.
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1144
01:18:31,941 --> 01:18:33,474
And I couldn't believe it.
�Ҽ�ֱ�������š�
1145
01:18:33,542 --> 01:18:36,844
I was just stunned, you know? I was stunned.
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1146
01:18:36,846 --> 01:18:40,014
Michael,we haven't worked together for years.
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1147
01:18:40,082 --> 01:18:43,684
Don't be sorry.You tell them we don't work together anymore.
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1148
01:18:43,753 --> 01:18:45,586
He just bowed his head.
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1149
01:18:45,654 --> 01:18:46,987
- I'm sorry, Bob.
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1150
01:18:47,055 --> 01:18:50,624
- And I realized he was trying to set me up.
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1151
01:18:50,626 --> 01:18:53,994
He was trying to get his get out of jail card.
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1152
01:18:53,996 --> 01:18:57,364
Before I left,I had a day with him.
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1153
01:18:57,366 --> 01:18:58,566
And...
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1154
01:19:00,269 --> 01:19:03,170
you know, I had lots of feelings going on.
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1155
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,306
I feel sorry for you.
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1156
01:19:07,643 --> 01:19:13,714
You know, it's a shame that...that he's putting all these good people away.
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1157
01:19:20,556 --> 01:19:24,124
But you don't know who I'm talking to and what they've told us.
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1158
01:19:24,127 --> 01:19:27,762
And we're gonna find out if you're lying.
It's gonna come out,and it's gonna hurt you.
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1159
01:19:29,631 --> 01:19:33,767
Clegg did what he was supposed to do.That is, fully cooperate.
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1160
01:19:33,836 --> 01:19:38,271
And there is no in-between cooperation.
You either do it or you don't.
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1161
01:19:41,077 --> 01:19:47,614
- It got so bad that I was trying to get the orderlies
to bring me the cord,
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1162
01:19:47,617 --> 01:19:51,418
the extension cord for the vacuum cleaner,
because I was going to hang myself.
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1163
01:19:51,487 --> 01:19:52,720
That's how bad it was.
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1164
01:19:53,163 --> 01:19:57,663
(����������۶�Ʒ������5����)
1165
01:20:01,363 --> 01:20:07,168
Bright light in that whole prison
was a Muslim curator there on the chapel.
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1166
01:20:09,739 --> 01:20:14,641
He gave me permission to go in there anytime I wante,
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1167
01:20:14,644 --> 01:20:17,812
which is strictly against the rules, and meditate.
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1168
01:20:22,017 --> 01:20:24,351
There is no awakening without crisis.
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1169
01:20:25,153 --> 01:20:32,092
There just isn't,because you have to get shocked into a space
where you know nothing,
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1170
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:37,631
where you know that everything you've ever been taught
or learned is not true.
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1171
01:20:38,801 --> 01:20:41,468
And then you start over.
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1172
01:20:53,749 --> 01:20:55,883
(inspiring music)
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1173
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,153
It just broke through.
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1174
01:20:59,922 --> 01:21:01,856
It was like a light shone on me.
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1175
01:21:10,099 --> 01:21:13,100
It's like taking ecstasy times a thousand.
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1176
01:21:15,237 --> 01:21:19,173
I was so ecstatic,I was non-functional,definitely non-functional.
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1177
01:21:20,609 --> 01:21:23,944
It was ironic that I found what I was looking for
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1178
01:21:24,012 --> 01:21:26,547
in the depths of a violent prison.
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1179
01:21:27,083 --> 01:21:33,320
And I had been searching for so long for that reality
that when it came,I recognized it.
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1180
01:21:34,624 --> 01:21:40,227
You can't get that idea, that knowingness,
through study or books.
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1181
01:21:40,296 --> 01:21:44,698
It has to be an experience of the source.
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1182
01:21:44,766 --> 01:21:54,041
This pure, infinite energy that has created this whole,
beautiful existence that we see.
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1183
01:21:55,010 --> 01:22:00,180
Ecstasy brought me to a point of despair at the lowest levels.
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1184
01:22:00,983 --> 01:22:05,920
And then from there,it was an ecstasy that took me the rest of the way.
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1185
01:22:21,803 --> 01:22:28,442
I wrote the first book in prison, From Onions to Pearls,
and I wrote it in five days.
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1186
01:22:30,246 --> 01:22:32,947
You don't need a guru to teach you.
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1187
01:22:33,782 --> 01:22:35,849
Enlightenment comes from within.
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1188
01:22:40,689 --> 01:22:47,594
When I wrote the first book,
I used my spiritual name because Michael was gone.
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1189
01:22:47,662 --> 01:22:51,298
There's no more Michael. Can't even relate to Michael.
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1190
01:22:52,068 --> 01:22:55,402
But I could relate to Satyam Nadeen.
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1191
01:22:55,404 --> 01:23:00,741
Osho picked out the name,and it means "river of truth" in Sanskrit.
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1192
01:23:00,743 --> 01:23:04,712
- Join me in welcoming Satyam Nadeen.
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1193
01:23:05,548 --> 01:23:07,014
(laughing)
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1194
01:23:07,082 --> 01:23:08,382
Is this namaste?
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1195
01:23:08,384 --> 01:23:10,117
- That's what it is.
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1196
01:23:10,685 --> 01:23:12,285
- Better tell our viewers what that means.
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1197
01:23:12,354 --> 01:23:15,322
- That means the divine in me
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1198
01:23:16,058 --> 01:23:18,092
recognizes the divine in you,
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1199
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:19,659
meaning we're both from the same energy.
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1200
01:23:19,728 --> 01:23:20,728
- Yes.
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1201
01:23:21,329 --> 01:23:23,297
("Spirit in the Sky" by Norman Greenbaum)
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1202
01:23:23,497 --> 01:23:26,497
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1203
01:23:27,302 --> 01:23:30,904
- The renaissance of people coming to Satsang all over the world...
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1204
01:23:30,906 --> 01:23:32,773
Europe is insane.
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1205
01:23:32,775 --> 01:23:37,677
They're just so hungry for consciousness,it's unbelievable.
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1206
01:23:37,746 --> 01:23:43,050
I would give talks here at the Rainbow Spirit Festival,
there'd be like 3,000,4,000 people coming.
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1207
01:23:43,118 --> 01:23:45,686
Just couldn't get enough of it.
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1208
01:23:45,754 --> 01:23:47,588
(crowd cheering)
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1209
01:23:47,656 --> 01:23:49,723
- At the end of 2021,
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1210
01:23:49,792 --> 01:23:56,296
the journal Science said our paper in nature medicine
was one of the top 10 scientific breakthroughs of the whole world.
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1211
01:23:58,467 --> 01:24:03,970
In 2023, in September, is when we published the resuls of
the second phase 3 study.
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1212
01:24:03,973 --> 01:24:06,040
Both of these tremendously successful.
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1213
01:24:06,140 --> 01:24:07,340
(ֻ��ʧ����������ʹ���߶���)
1214
01:24:07,375 --> 01:24:13,080
So I think in the end,
we will have spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 million.
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1215
01:24:13,283 --> 01:24:15,549
Not just to get the drug approved,
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1216
01:24:15,551 --> 01:24:18,118
but to build this commercialization company,
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1217
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,520
which will be working with thousands of therapists.
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1218
01:24:20,523 --> 01:24:25,726
What's going on here is a complete innovation
of combining psychotherapy with pharmacotherapy.
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1219
01:24:31,533 --> 01:24:36,036
I've consistently been wrong on how much it costs
and how long it will take.
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1220
01:24:36,105 --> 01:24:39,539
So, you know, I had a 5-year plan for 15 years.
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1221
01:24:39,608 --> 01:24:42,042
I've got a 10-year plan for 20 years.
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1222
01:24:42,044 --> 01:24:46,847
But I did feel over time that there was
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1223
01:24:46,915 --> 01:24:52,018
little bits of progress here and there that were enough to sustain me.
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1224
01:24:52,021 --> 01:24:56,323
- I think nothing comes close to the potential that psychedelics carry.
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1225
01:24:56,391 --> 01:24:58,391
I think they're remarkable medicines,
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1226
01:24:58,394 --> 01:25:03,396
and I think it allows psychiatry to reclaim its old identity,
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1227
01:25:03,465 --> 01:25:06,366
which was to be healers of the soul.
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1228
01:25:06,368 --> 01:25:13,073
- What I hope for in the future is a spiritualized humanity
and mass mental health.
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1229
01:25:13,075 --> 01:25:15,042
Those are our two end goals.
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1230
01:25:15,945 --> 01:25:22,215
- It's about time that MDMA became legal for medical uses.
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1231
01:25:22,218 --> 01:25:27,454
It allows you to look at the problems that you had and deal with it.
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1232
01:25:28,157 --> 01:25:31,859
I handled my prison experience
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1233
01:25:33,628 --> 01:25:37,731
much better because I had a good headspace about it.
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1234
01:25:37,733 --> 01:25:41,301
I have no hard feelings for anybody.
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1235
01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:49,876
- MDMA is taking its second turn
and humanity's consciousness is being raised.
- MDMA���ڽ��еڶ���ת���������ʶ������ߡ�
1236
01:25:49,879 --> 01:25:55,816
We have the opportunity to save and move millions of lives.
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1237
01:25:55,884 --> 01:25:58,385
I am grateful to be part of that...
�Һܸм��ܳ�Ϊ�����е�һ���֣�����...
1238
01:26:00,055 --> 01:26:01,087
uplift.
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1239
01:26:01,090 --> 01:26:02,923
The therapists never gave up.
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1240
01:26:02,991 --> 01:26:10,297
And MDMA's legality or approach to legality right now
is somewhat exonerating,
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1241
01:26:10,365 --> 01:26:14,401
that everything I did was worthwhile.
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1242
01:26:14,403 --> 01:26:19,806
And I just want them to remember that first time
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1243
01:26:19,808 --> 01:26:21,575
and...
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1244
01:26:22,611 --> 01:26:26,146
whose hands brought it to them.
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1245
01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:32,819
- When you're totally enlightened,
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1246
01:26:32,887 --> 01:26:39,593
the only difference in your life is that
you say yes to every moment that's happening.
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1247
01:26:41,897 --> 01:26:45,031
Not, how can I change this? How can I make it better?
���ǣ�������ô�ܸı���һ�У�����������������ø��ã���
1248
01:26:45,034 --> 01:26:49,269
How can I have more spirituality or anything.
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1249
01:26:49,938 --> 01:26:52,138
You're perfect just the way you are.
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1250
01:26:52,608 --> 01:26:57,043
You don't realize how much fear you have about everything.
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1251
01:26:57,046 --> 01:27:01,081
And when your heart just opens,all you feel is who you are.
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1252
01:27:01,149 --> 01:27:04,151
Who are you? You're pure love.That's your essence.
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1253
01:27:04,789 --> 01:27:11,690
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1254
01:27:11,890 --> 01:27:18,890
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1255
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