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Trusted journalists at
Comedy central...
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It's america's only source for
News.
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This is "the daily show" with
Your host, jon stewart!
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[cheers and applause]
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>> jon: boom!
Hello!
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[cheers and applause]
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Hi, everybody!
Welcome!
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Welcome to "the daily show!"
My name is jon stewart.
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Got a great show for you
Tonight.
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Later on, we'll be joined by
Governor spencer cox of utah,
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He's got a new book out on how
We can as a nation disagree more
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Agreeably -- and i will be the
First to tell him to go [bleep]
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Himself.
That can't be what's written.
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Hold on.
Folks, i am re-energized.
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We've been gone for the month.
For the entire month of august.
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I assume the same for
Yourselves.
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Now that we are all synced up on
The french calendar.
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Cause i think we've all learned
From experience, august is a
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Dead zone.
People are on vacation,
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The news ticker slows to a
Crawl, it's just a series of
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"black bear in swimming pool"
Videos.
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So i checked out.
Rejuvenated.
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Just out of a kind of morbid
Curiosity, did i miss anything
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At all?
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>> president trump rolling back
Decades of childhood vaccine
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Guidance.
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>> threatening to demolish
The kennedy center.
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>> trump's attack on mail in
Voting.
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>> suggesting that he'll take
Over the midterm elections
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>> president trump siding with
North korea.
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>> crisis at sea aboard
The u.s.s. Lincoln.
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>> conditions so bad, there are
Reports of sailors attempting to
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Jump overboard.
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>> trump threatening to wipe out
Iran.
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>> threatened to bomb oman, a
U.s. Ally.
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>> saying he was going to use
The u.s. Military against the
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Bond market.
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>> jon: no!
Oh, no!
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I'm old again!
I'm old again!
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[applause and laughter]
I love that they thought i
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Needed a beard to look old
Again.
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Oh, no!
It never ends with this dude,
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Trump.
I've never seen one person work
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So much and fix so little.
It's exhausting in a way that's
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Difficult to articulate.
Which is why one of the stories
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From this past august did
Resonate with me so much more
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Deeply:
That's the plight of
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The u.s.s. Lincoln.
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>> 5,000 u.s. Sailors and
Marines serving on the
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U.s.s. Lincoln stepping on
Dry land for the first time in
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More than nine months.
The once-gleaming aircraft
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Carrier docking in thailand
After 286 days at sea, covered
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In rust after a record-setting
Deployment.
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>> jon: do you see it?
Look.
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Look.
Look carefully.
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Do you see?
Let's do the the before,
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Let's do the after!
Do you see the metaphor?
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This ship, a symbol of
American might, ingenuity,
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Technical know-how and
Patriotic determination laid low
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By prolonged exposure to
Relentless corrosive elements.
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Reckless mismanagement.
This ship...
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Do you see?
It's not the u.s.s. Lincoln,
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It's not.
It's just u.s.
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It's just --
It's us.
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We're the ship.
This is what we look like as
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Americans inside after 18 months
Of this presidency.
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By the way, we don't get
The one-week thai sex trip to
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Try and paper it all over.
We just have to suck it up.
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I want you to look at the
Picture of the rusted ship --
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Look at it!
Don't look away!
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I want you to think about the
Visible, tangible, actual
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Indisputable, factual signs of
Corrosion on this ship.
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This is the president discussing
It.
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>> people on the lincoln, they
Say it's beautifully maintained
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And beautifully taken care of.
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>> jon: it's not!
It is obviously not!
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Look at it!
Look at my precious!
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The actual abraham lincoln is in
Better shape than this ship.
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[applause]
A beautifully maintained,
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Beautifully taken care of ship
Doesn't look like the abandoned
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Bridge near my high school we
Where we used to smoke weed.
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And it's this:
The relentless denial of reality
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That is just one of the elements
Eating away at the foundational
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Load-bearing structures that
Hold this country together.
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Us.
And the other corrosive element
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- - the memes, make it stop!
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>> overnight, the trade war with
Canada continuing to escalate.
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>> president trump posting a
Hockey cartoon mocking canadian
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Prime minister mark carney as
Governor.
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>> jon: what the [bleep]?
First of all, i can't believe
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That ai has gotten so advanced,
It can fit trump's ankles into
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Ice skates.
That's not real.
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[applause]
That can't be right beard they
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Are computer
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Generated.
Yeah, we're in a full blown
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Trade war with canada.
Real consequences.
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Here's what they're hearing from
Their leader.
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>> in the face of unjustified,
Unprovoked tariffs from the
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United states, we're stepping
Up.
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When we're united, there is
Nothing the canadian workers
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Can't do.
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>> jon: here's what we're
Getting.
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>> so lake ontario,
That's gone.
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Lake america.
Thank you very much, everybody.
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Enjoy lake america.
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- >> jon: you can't just [bleep]
- - that's not how things work.
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You don't settle complicated
International agreements by
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Writing just a new name on the
Map and expecting everyone to
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Just follow along.
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>> google maps is complying with
President trump's
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Executive order, renaming
Lake ontario to lake america.
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>> jon: i feel the rust
Eating me --
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Canada is our second largest
Trading partner!
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60% of our oil imports come from
Canada.
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Half of our timber.
We get parts for cars and
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Planes, not to mention 100% of
Our carly raes jepsen.
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Why are we trolling them?
Is that the plan?
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To troll them into submission?
Treasury secretary
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Scott bessent, surely you have a
More substantive understanding
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Of the canada-united states
Dynamic.
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>> how do you see all of this
Playing out?
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>> well, you know, lara, the --
I had a german shepherd and
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There was a dachshund that used
To antagonize her at the
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Playground.
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>> jon: ah, yes, the
"playground," as dog people
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Famously refer to the place they
Take their dogs to play.
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"yes, my shepherd friend and i
Were enjoying a sphere-retrieval
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Session at the playground.
You know, dog truly are one of
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Man's closest associates."
But carry on with your
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Trenchant, completely real story
Analogy.
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>> and this little yippy dog
Used to just, like, bark away
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And, you know, for a long time.
110-pound german shepherd was
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Ignoring the dachshund.
And then one day she'd had
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Enough.
And unfortunately,
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Prime minister carney did
Walk away.
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>> jon: is it weird that the
Treasury secretary is at some
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Sort of german-only dog
Playground?
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"the schnauzer and the
Weimaraner can enter.
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But this doodle is a mutt!
It's a mongrel!
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A mixed breed!
Doodle unclean!"
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Sorry, germany, you brought
These jokes back yourself.
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But seriously, who is
The united states anyway in this
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Analogy?
Are we the dachshund?
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Are we the shepherd?
Did canada walk away from the
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Deal, or were we the ones who
Blew up the deal with last
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Minute stuff?
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>> i spoke to president trump
Over the weekend after the
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Breakdown in negotiations with
Canada.
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He did not dispute that the u.s.
Added conditions late in the
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Talks.
He said, quote, "that sounds
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Like me," end quote.
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>> jon: "that sounds like me"?
"that sounds like me"?
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"that sounds like me."
It just happened!
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This isn't a story from the
Frat days where you're like,
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"i woke up in a pool of my own
Vomit in a trade war with
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Canada?
Yeah, i guess that sounds like
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Me.
But i'm married now, settled
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Down, but in those days, me and
The boys sure could derail a
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Negotiation."
God, you can feel the metal
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Buckling on our starboard side.
But with the trade war now here,
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The news media has been quick to
Jump in and explain what's at
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Stake.
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>> americans are now facing
Higher prices.
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Some examples: milk, honey,
Smartphones, liquor, and even
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Wigs and fake beards.
[laughter and applause]
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>> jon: oh, beardy!
I'll never let them take you.
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But hey, man, canada, about time
You learned a lesson.
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That's right.
Don't [bleep] around and yet
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Still have to find out.
But if you think canada got
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Raked over the coals,
Steve witkoff and jared kushner
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Headed to russia to let
Vladmir putin know what we
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Thought of their war of
Aggression in ukraine.
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Yeah!
Who's the dachshund in that
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Room?
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>> so first of all of all,
President putin, thank you,
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Thank you so much for having us.
We were sitting outside just
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Now, me, jared and carol, and
Then yuri joined us and we were
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All talking about when we
Retire, we'll have all these
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Incredible stories and
Incredible memories, and yours
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Will be right at the top of it
All.
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>> jon: "jared and i just want
To thank you.
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This has been the best semester
Abroad.
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I said i wasn't going to do
This --
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This has been the best semester
That me and jared could have
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Ever asked for."
By the way, what's going on with
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Jared?
He looks like he pre-poisoned
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Himself.
You can tell he lives in miami
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Full time now.
By the way, why are we even over
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There negotiating with them?
Why can't trump just get out the
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Old one-two and
Here is what we will do.
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Here is what we will do.
And we will call it...
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Love-istan?
And it is all fixed!
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You seeing this shit, google?
[cheers and applause]
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And i know the naysayers out
There are going to go,
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"but that's not real, jon."
But isn't that the trick?
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Isn't that the whole game that's
Keeping this incompetent
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Ship of fools of an
Administration afloat?
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You've been filling up your tank
These past six months, probably
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Feeling like gas prices are
High.
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Well, joke's on you!
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>> how much longer will
Americans continue to see these
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High gas prices?
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>> well, they're not very high.
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>> jon: oh!
You think they are high they are
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Not high!
They're actually gas-gaslighting
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Us.
And you may say, "oh, but you
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Know what?
Even trump can only stave off
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Reality for so long.
That the cumulative effects of
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High prices and punitive and
Chaotic tariffs and reckless
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Wars and narcissistic
Self-aggrandizement will take an
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Inevitable toll that cannot be
Denied.
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And yet!
And yet!
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[vocalizing]
That is well maintained!
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>> every presidency in a second
Term, his poll numbers usually
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Start to decline and he starts
To weaken, and that's happening
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To you.
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>> no, it's not.
Fake polls.
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I have great poll numbers.
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>> jon: you have great poll
Numbers.
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Sure.
Presidential polls are scored on
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A scale of one to 30.
At 32, you're killing it!
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And by the way,
Where does trump get the idea
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That his policies are having a
Positive impact?
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>> i have people coming up to me
That have 401ks.
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They said, you know, i was a
Disaster.
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My family wouldn't talk to me.
They thought i was a total
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Loser.
And now i'm like the one guy
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Said, i feel like
Warren buffett.
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>> jon: oh, i see.
Trump gets it from fictional
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Interactions from "people" whose
Families had "cut them off"
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Because of "portfolio
Performance issues."
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"i went no contact with my
Parents because of their
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Underperforming index funds."
And you may say that you don't
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Know that these interactions
Didn't happen!
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Oh, but we do, friends.
We do.
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We know by the way trump
Describes the interactions.
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>> every day i come to
The white house, people are
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Thanking me.
Thank you, sir.
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Thank you, thank you, sir.
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>> jon: bullshit.
First of all, you don't come to
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The white house?
You live there!
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Your commute is stairs!
Anybody you run into works
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There.
But i'll let you continue
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Describing the regular folks you
Run into on your way to work.
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>> no, these young,
Beautiful girls -- these young,
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Beautiful girls -- these young,
Beautiful girls in
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The white house.
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>> jon: what's with the
Three times?
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You trying to beetlejuice this
Shit?
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Tell us again.
[cheers and applause]
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No, i mean it.
Tell us again.
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What do all these young
Beautiful girls that you run
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Into on your commute to
The white house from
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The white house tell you?
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>> these gorgeous, beautiful
Girls.
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They want to be safe, and they
Come -- mr. President, may i
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Speak to?
Yes.
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Thank you, sir, thank you.
I said, why are you thanking me
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Because a year and a half ago, i
Was afraid to leave -- i was
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Afraid to open the door of my
Apartment.
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And now i walk to
The white house every morning
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And i have absolutely no fear.
Thank you, sir.
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>> jon: that is true, it was
Pretty chaotic around
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The white house a while back,
I do remember that.
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But trump cleaned all that up.
But i have to say, there is a
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Part of me that thinks fighting
His reality distortion field is
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Slowly killing us all.
Is rusting us out from the
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Inside like that poor
Battleship.
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Is living in it better?
Maybe it's just better to be
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The guy in "the matrix" going,
"oh, this blue pill's not so
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Bad!
That reality has steak!"
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But i know too much.
How do i get there?
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Who would give me the blue pill
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>> she's one of
President trump's closest aides
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Natalie harp.
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>> harp's nickname is the human
Printer because she follows the
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President everywhere with a
Laptop and printer, feeding him
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A steady stream of positive news
Stories.
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>> jon: yes,
Donald trump has an individual
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Whose whole job is to reinforce
His warped reality.
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And if you were thinking of
Going into that field, and were
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Wondering what kind of
Qualifications you would need,
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Buckle up.
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>> an aide so devoted that she
Sprints alongside his golf cart
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When he's out on the links.
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>> she once jumped in the trunk
Of an suv to ensure she would be
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Able to be with the president
For a court appearance when
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There weren't enough seats in
The motorcade.
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>> reportedly slept in the
Bedminster women's locker room
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To be closer to trump.
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>> wrote him letters that can
Only be described as
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Love letters.
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>> quote, "i never want to bring
You anything but joy."
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>> jon: for the sake of my own
Sanity, i'm going to pretend
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She's referring to the
Dishwashing liquid.
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This is unbelievable.
The outside world is fed into
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This woman, a single conduit,
And from there, she is the
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Filter to all of the information
Directly fed into donald trump's
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Psyche.
And by the way, natalie harp had
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Repeatedly declined to get
Security clearances.
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Can we even trust her?
Well, decide for yourselves.
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Because tonight, here on
"the daily show," we are
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Premiering exclusive footage.
We lived with natalie harp and
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The president for a month to
Determine what their
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Relationship was really like.
Let's take a quick preview.
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>> why would i deceive you?
There's no -- there's no
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Reason for me to do that.
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[laughter and applause]
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>> jon: i mean, i guess i want
That.
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Who is going to do that for me?
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>> i'll do it.
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>> jon: what?
Ronny chieng?
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[cheers and applause]
This is unbelievable.
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Ronny chieng.
[cheers and applause]
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Ronny, you'll be my natalie?
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>> yeah, yeah, sure.
I want to bring you joy.
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You're my everything or
Whatever.
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>> jon: and you were just
Standing back there with a
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Printer?
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>> what, you think i was
Stealing a printer to make
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Fliers for a show i'm doing?
That's racist!
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>> jon: how is that racist?
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>> oh, wait, good news coming
In!
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Beep, boop, boop.
Here ya go.
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>> jon: honestly, i think that
Was more of a modem voice.
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Oh, my god.
"late night television has never
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Been more fiscally robust and
Governmentally appreciated?"
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Wow!
Thanks, ronny!
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[cheers and applause]
Is that true?
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>> of course.
Could i have printed something
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That isn't true?
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>> jon: ronny chieng!
I feel better already.
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When we come back,
Governor spencer cox will be
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Joining us, so don't go away.
Thank you!
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>> jon: welcome back to
"the daily show."
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My guest tonight, he is utah's
18th governor and author of
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"off ramp: how to be a
Peacemaker in an age of
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Contempt."
Please welcome to the program
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Republican governor spencer cox
Sir!
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[cheers and applause]
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Nice to see you.
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>> governor cox: it's good to
Be here.
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Thanks for having me.
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>> jon: "off ramp: how to be a
Peacemaker in an age of
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Contempt."
Talk about, what is the purpose?
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I will use a trick from your
Book at the very start.
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You seem very passionate about
This.
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Can you tell me why you feel
That?
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>> governor cox: it is in
There.
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>> jon: a strategy.
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>> governor cox: it is a
Strategy.
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A year ago, something terrible
Happened in my state.
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I've been writing about
Contempt, studying about
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Contempt.
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>> jon: i have been practicing
At.
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>> governor cox: you are very
Good at it.
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>> jon: thank you.
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>> governor cox: polarization
In our country and inability to
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Accomplish anything.
When charlie kirk was
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Assassinated in utah, i felt
Compelled to finish the work and
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To write this book.
I care deeply about our nation.
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I think we can solve problems
Without shooting each other.
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>> jon: yes.
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>> governor cox: i would
Prefer that.
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So that is why.
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>> jon: we have a pretty good
History in our country of
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Shooting each other.
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>> governor cox: fair.
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>> jon: in pre-social media.
We used to shoot people quite
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Frequently.
What is different about this
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Time in your mind that makes the
Rhetoric -- it reminds me that
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Sticks and stones will break my
Bones but names, that is the
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Real issue.
What do you mean?
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>> governor cox: i don't know
That this is a new problem.
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And we do have this recency bias
Where we think everything is the
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Best or the worst.
Clearly, 600,000 americans
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Killed each other in the
1860s.
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>> jon: don't tell me how it
Ends.
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>> governor cox: you will get
There.
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The 1960s, the 1970s,
Political assassinations were
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Fairly common.
I am not here to tell people
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That it is worse than then but i
Am here to tell people that we
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Are headed in that direction.
Again.
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I don't think that is good for
Us or our country.
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The tools are different.
The divisive tools are
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Different.
Social media, the algorithms.
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Our ability to surround
Ourselves with only people that
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Are just like us, only hear what
We want to hear, that
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Confirmation bias.
That is fairly new.
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The atomization of facts.
You know, we used to have three
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Stations where you could kind of
Hear what was happening in the
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Country.
So all of that is very
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Different.
We are lonelier than we have
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Ever been as a country.
I think that is very dangerous.
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I think young men especially,
The gamification of society.
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The lack of real contact is bad
For them and the results we are
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Starting to see come a not
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Great.
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>> jon: the idea is by using
Different tools to disagree, we
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Can begin to solve those
Problems?
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Or are those problems the result
Of those things?
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In other words, would you like
To see that done to alleviate
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The loneliness or are there
Measures that need to be taken
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That we are not taking?
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>> governor cox: so what we
Are seeing in this country right
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Now is this toxic divisiveness.
And what we are seeing at the
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National level and that is what
I know you want to talk about.
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It is what you just talked about
For sure.
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What i am even more concerned
About is what is happening at
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The individual level.
So four times as many people
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Have lost a friend or a family
Member to politics.
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We have replaced healthy tribes
In our country, volunteer
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Organizations, faith-based
Organizations, with politics.
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Politics has become a religion
For a lot of people.
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Those are very unhealthy tribes.
And so my concern with that is
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As we continue to lose that, as
You drive to taco bell and don't
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Talk to a real person now, you
Are talking to artificial
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Intelligence, that is going to
Continue to lead us to this very
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Dark place.
And we can't solve any of our
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Greatest problems if we can't
Have a debate, if we can't talk
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To each other, if you are
Beneath me and i am not willing
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To engage with you, then we
Can't solve that.
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So my point is that i don't
Pretend like i am going to solve
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All of the nation's problems,
But if i can get you to talk to
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A cousin or a friend that you
Don't talk to any more, that is
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Eventually how we heal our
Nation.
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[applause]
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>> jon: the crowd feels that
Very strongly.
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Let me make an argument for
Contempt.
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The reverse.
I have found in my experience
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That you have to be able to
Discern things that are
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Contemptible.
There are things that are
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Contemptible.
How do you reckon that we
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Address that?
Is the idea that we just
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Acquiesce to the contemptible?
I will make it specific.
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>> governor cox: tell me more
About why you feel this way.
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>> jon: senator mike lee.
He is a utah guy.
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I dealt with him trying to get
The 9/11 bill passed which was
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Funding for first responders and
Survivors of 9/11 who went down
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To ground zero who were getting
Sick.
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>> governor cox: i am very
Familiar.
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>> jon: we had a meeting with
Him, with firefighters, police
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Officers, and all that.
He was -- i'm going to go with
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Not good.
And then was one of only two
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Senators to vote that down and
Then when the tragedy happened
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In minnesota and those people
Were killed and he tweeted out,
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"nightmare on walz street."
How do i first of all, when i
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Spoke to congress, i treated
Them with disdain because that
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Is what they have earned and
That disdain helped the power
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Disparity between them.
Isn't that a tool sometimes for
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The weak?
If you can't call something
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Contemptible and truly treat it
As that and have society agree
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To that, why would we have to
Acquiesce to that?
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I'm curious, truly.
And i mean that.
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This i think is a good
Conversation to have about it.
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>> governor cox: it is an
Important conversation to have.
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I am not telling you that you
Should not find things
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Contemptible.
I find lots of things
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Contemptible and you have given
Some examples of that.
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That tweet was contemptible.
We should all stand up and say
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That is not okay.
We don't support that.
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And yet you met with him even
Though you knew he wasn't
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Supportive --
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>> jon: i didn't know at the
Time.
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I knew he wasn't supportive but
I didn't know he was that.
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>> governor cox: which is
Fair.
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But you had the meeting.
That is the point i am trying to
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Make.
There is nothing -- no argument
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I am making here that we should
Compromise on our principles,
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That we have to give up on the
Things our core beliefs.
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I am not talking about just
Being nice to each other.
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That is not what this is about.
This is about sitting here and
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Having this debate face-to-face.
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>> you telling me how you feel
Come i will tell you how i
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Feel and at the end of the day
Come we might find some areas
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Where we agree and we might not
And you might think i am a
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Terrible human being and i might
Leave here thinking that that
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Was a waste of time.
My mom was right.
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I shouldn't have come on the
Show.
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>> jon: did your mom say that?
[applause]
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Can i tell you something?
My mom says i should not be on
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The show.
She doesn't like me.
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>> governor cox: for the
Record, my mom likes you.
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It was not that.
But that is not what this is
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About.
It turns out that the people who
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Learned how to debate in
High school and college are less
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Polarized than the rest of the
Country.
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Having actual debate is
Something we don't do any more.
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I think we actually need more
Disagreement.
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I think we need more of this
Instead of the "i'm not going to
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Engage with you because you are
Beneath me.
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I think you are evil."
I think there is nothing more
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Un-american than hating our
Fellow americans.
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>> jon: i just think that that
Is in some ways a caricature of
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How americans relate to each
Other.
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One that is displayed on -- i
Find it more in statehouses than
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I do in actual houses.
I find that before we can all
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Learn to be peacemakers with
Each other, the system is not
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Incentivized for that.
Like --
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>> governor cox: on that we
Agree.
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>> jon: aren't we placing the
Onus of this on individuals when
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In some respects, this is a
Natural product of the incentive
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System that is in place in our
Government and in our ecosystem?
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>> governor cox: absolutely.
So the hardest part about doing
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This is that the incentives are
Completely misaligned.
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As a politician, the algorithms
Reward me saying outlandish
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Things, tearing down my
Opponents.
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Much more likely to get elected
At least historically over the
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Past 20 years, that has
Certainly been the case.
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We had stanford study this.
There depolarization lab.
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>> jon: elitist communists.
[laughter]
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>> governor cox: sometimes.
We actually put a republican and
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Democratic governor together,
They filmed ads together.
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We got 24 of them to do it where
They said we disagree on a lot
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Of things but we can disagree
Without hating each other.
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We both care about our country
And want to work together on
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Some things.
They studied this in their lab.
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00:32:23,482 --> 00:32:26,068
They did an experiment.
Thousands of people watched the
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Videos.
We looked at their responses.
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It turns out that there is
Another way to get elected in
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This country.
70% of americans hate how
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Divided we are right now.
They are desperate for something
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Else.
There is a market failure.
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The incentives are misaligned.
Neither party is responding to
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The market failure right now.
I am convinced that the first
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Party who does is going to do
Very, very well.
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I hope it is my party but that
Remains to be seen.
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>> jon: yeah, i don't think
That is --
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>> governor cox: fair.
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>> jon: that doesn't seem to
Be the lesson you are learning
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From the last ten years.
What has worked?
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Tell me where this has been
Successful and where you have
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Found its limitations?
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>> governor cox: so it is
Successful when you can try to
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Take what appears to be a zero
Sum game and turn it into a
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Win-win situation which happens
On occasion in politics.
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>> jon: talk to me.
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>> governor cox: real examples
Of this happening in the state
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Of utah.
We are working on the great salt
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Lake right now.
Environmental disaster.
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The great salt lake is drying
Up.
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No country on earth has been
Able to preserve a great saline
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Lake once they enter terminal
Decline.
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The environmental left of course
Was all over this.
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We got to save the lake.
No surprise there.
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How do conservatives come along
And work on this in a state
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Where we have a supermajority of
Republicans in the state house?
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So this is an area --
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>> jon: is that reflective of
Your population as well?
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>> governor cox: yes.
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>> jon: in a lot of states,
Like massachusetts, a lot of
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States have supermajorities that
Are not necessarily reflective
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Because of gerrymandering.
Talking about the incentive
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Structure.
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>> governor cox: correct.
That is one of the incentive
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Structures i agree is a problem
In our country.
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So how do we figure out how to
Work on this and we need help
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Nationally.
I got to figure out how to work
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With joe biden on this problem
And then i have to figure out --
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>> jon: was he anti saving the
Lake?
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>> governor cox: so this will
Challenge your a little bit.
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So i am in the beast with
President biden --
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>> jon: his car.
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>> governor cox: the
Limousine.
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The presidential limousine.
We are having a wonderful
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Conversation with him.
I bring up the lake.
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He says, sure, we would love to
Help.
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Nothing really happened after
That.
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He wasn't opposed to it.
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>> jon: what?
From the government?
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Wait, what?
You said they would do something
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And nothing happened?
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>> governor cox: shocking, i
Know.
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>> jon: sir, at long last.
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>> governor cox: a year and a
Half later, i am in the
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Oval office talking to
President trump and i bring up
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The great salt lake.
We have a conversation about it.
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He says, what do you need?
I said a billion dollars and he
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Said, great vehicle let's work
On getting you a billion dollars
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The next day i get a call --
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>> jon: and what are you going
To have to name the lake?
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What do you believe will be --
[cheers and applause]
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So the republican governor of
Utah was able through this
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Peacemaking to get the
Republican president to get him
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Water?
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>> governor cox: i --
Again, it is really, really
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Important for our state.
This is a big deal.
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>> jon: completely understand
That.
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A billion dollars is not a
Terrible price to pay to
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Preserve that.
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>> governor cox: i will say
One of the most stringent
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Environmentalists, anti trump
People i know who is working on
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This project had a red hat made
That said "make the great salt
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Lake great again," tweeted out
How thankful he was for the
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President's help on that issue.
I told the president we would
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Name it whatever he wants if he
Helps us.
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>> jon: in your mind, you were
Able to -- what was it about --
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What did you change to make that
Happen other than in the course
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Of convincing the president why
This was a good idea or not?
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Did you feel that was a cultural
Hot button somehow?
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>> governor cox: sure.
I was very worried that
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Republicans would just see this
As kind of a climate change,
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Leftist idea.
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>> jon: oh.
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>> governor cox: that is where
If the environmental community
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Supports it and we are opposed
To it.
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This was us trying to bring
Those two together to work on
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This issue.
Not just there but in the state
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House as well where we have
Bipartisan support.
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>> jon: give me more
Hot-button issue.
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Give me another utah.
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>> governor cox: several years
Ago.
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Lgbtq protection and rights.
No red states had taken this on.
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This was -- think 2014, 2015.
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>> jon: you were only one of
The red state governors in a
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Pride month?
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>> governor cox: i was
Lieutenant governor at this
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Time.
Indiana is blowing up over this
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00:37:17,137 --> 00:37:20,620
Issue.
Religious freedom laws, the same
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Thing in arkansas.
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>> jon: people say income i
Don't want to bake a cake for
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A gay wedding.
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>> you have to bake a cake
Regardless of your religious
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Beliefs.
We brought in the lgbtq
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Leadership in the state.
We brought in the religious
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Leadership in the state.
The predominant church, and
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Others, the catholic church, the
Jewish faith, the muslims come
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All around the
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Table.
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>> jon: muslims?
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>> governor cox: yes.
Yes.
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They are there.
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>> jon: okay.
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>> governor cox: [laughs]
I can tell it has been a while
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Since you have been to utah.
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>> jon: i haven't been there
In a while.
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Can i get a cup of coffee in
This town?
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Then i was done.
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>> governor cox: there is a
Starbucks there now.
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>> jon: i am an old man.
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>> governor cox: i saw the
Beard.
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[laughter]
I might need a hit from that
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Marker.
[laughter]
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So we brought them all together.
It was rough.
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There were times where people
Walked out of the room.
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They felt contempt for each
Other at times and yet --
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>> jon: what were you
Attempting to do?
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Were you attempting a
Legislative solution?
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>> governor cox: yes.
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>> jon: what is it that you
Were looking to craft?
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>> governor cox: we did craft
It and this is what came out.
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Two things that were really
Important.
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One was protection for lgbtq
People in our state, citizens in
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Our state in employment and
Housing.
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You don't get kicked out of your
Apartment because you are a gay.
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657
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These did not exist in our
State.
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658
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That was not a protected class
At our time.
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659
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We were the first state in the
Nation to do that.
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660
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And we added protections for
People of faith.
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So you don't have to bake the
Cake if you don't want to.
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662
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,103
But you also don't get to fire
People from their jobs or kick
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People out of their apartments.
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>> jon: but you can
Understand --
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>> governor cox: we are
Sitting there, on the night this
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Is signed.
Maybe now it doesn't resonate
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Because it was several years ago
But this was groundbreaking.
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I mean, at the time -- and i
Have religious leaders and the
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Lgbtq community hugging and
Tears in the rotunda of the
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Capitol.
It is a great example of
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Bringing people together.
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>> jon: i think that is
Certainly an admirable effort.
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673
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It is hard for me not to look at
It as there is a vulnerable --
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There is a power disparity in
That equation and that the gay
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Community in utah is not
Equivalent to the christian
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Community in utah.
[applause]
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So the difficulty i have, just
Being honest, is that you are
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Asking a community of people
Whose humanity has not been
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Recognized as total to accept
That they will be --
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680
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We can't fire you but we will
Still view you as aberrant and
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681
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We will enshrine that in the law
Because it does -- if you flip
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682
00:40:37,965 --> 00:40:42,517
That and you say to somebody
Come i will not bake a cake
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683
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Because you believe in for your
Wedding, i think you can see
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684
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That that is a contemptuous
Position.
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685
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So asking a group that is
Traditionally less righted to
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Accept a bargain for their
Humanity still strikes me
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687
00:41:05,448 --> 00:41:08,655
Fundamentally as -- i don't want
To say contemptible but boy,
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688
00:41:08,758 --> 00:41:14,413
There is some synonyms that are
Hard for me -- it is a hard one
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689
00:41:14,517 --> 00:41:17,965
To swallow as a victory.
Does that resonate in any way?
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690
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>> governor cox: i mean, it
Resonates but i don't think that
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That was how it was viewed.
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>> jon: right.
Fair enough.
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>> governor cox: you can talk
To them.
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I will let them have that
Conversation.
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>> jon: i'm not going to --
[laughter]
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I do one show a week, man!
I spent my whole august reading
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697
00:41:42,206 --> 00:41:47,103
This thing.
[laughter]
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698
00:41:47,206 --> 00:41:50,551
>> governor cox: what i will
Say is those protections went
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699
00:41:50,655 --> 00:41:52,448
Both ways and it is not about
Contempt.
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00:41:52,551 --> 00:41:56,724
It is about religious freedom
Which is really important to
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00:41:56,827 --> 00:41:58,758
People.
You wouldn't have to bake a cake
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702
00:41:58,862 --> 00:42:01,068
For christians if you didn't
Want to.
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703
00:42:01,172 --> 00:42:02,758
That is also included in the
Law.
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704
00:42:02,862 --> 00:42:06,862
We are not going to force you to
Do that piece.
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705
00:42:06,965 --> 00:42:10,931
And yet at the time -- again,
This was incredibly rare.
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706
00:42:11,034 --> 00:42:13,482
It had never happened.
Those types of protections in a
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707
00:42:13,586 --> 00:42:15,310
Red state and it didn't have to
Happen.
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708
00:42:15,413 --> 00:42:16,827
That is the point.
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709
00:42:16,931 --> 00:42:20,689
>> jon: even now, though --
And i so appreciate the effort.
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710
00:42:20,793 --> 00:42:22,724
You no longer have pride month
In utah.
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711
00:42:22,827 --> 00:42:25,965
You have changed it to fidelity
Month.
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712
00:42:26,068 --> 00:42:27,103
Why?
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713
00:42:27,206 --> 00:42:29,620
>> governor cox: [laughs]
Do you want to know the real
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714
00:42:29,724 --> 00:42:32,068
Story?
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715
00:42:32,172 --> 00:42:34,862
>> jon: no.
Lie to me!
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716
00:42:34,965 --> 00:42:36,241
Yeah, i really do.
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717
00:42:36,344 --> 00:42:40,379
>> governor cox: okay, so the
Pride month thing again got very
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718
00:42:40,482 --> 00:42:44,310
Contentious and the decision was
Made a couple of years ago --
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719
00:42:44,413 --> 00:42:47,586
Celebrate pride month.
That is great.
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720
00:42:47,689 --> 00:42:49,379
The government, we stay out of
It.
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721
00:42:49,482 --> 00:42:50,896
You celebrate whatever month you
Want.
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722
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,103
>> jon: do you not acknowledge
Any months there any more?
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723
00:42:54,206 --> 00:42:56,206
>> governor cox: there are
Some months --
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724
00:42:56,310 --> 00:42:59,379
>> jon: again understanding
The question of the power
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725
00:42:59,482 --> 00:43:03,551
Disparity.
It is a, man, people got upset.
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726
00:43:03,655 --> 00:43:07,000
Was it mandatory?
Did everyone in utah have to
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727
00:43:07,103 --> 00:43:08,034
Wear a unitard?
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728
00:43:08,137 --> 00:43:09,517
>> governor cox: they did not.
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729
00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:10,965
>> jon: and dance?
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730
00:43:11,068 --> 00:43:14,379
>> governor cox: they did not.
What i will say is the fidelity
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731
00:43:14,482 --> 00:43:16,758
Month piece of that, that was
Not intentional.
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732
00:43:16,862 --> 00:43:18,793
That was something that came out
In april.
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733
00:43:18,896 --> 00:43:21,689
We said that is great and we
Didn't know what was coming out
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734
00:43:21,793 --> 00:43:22,965
In june.
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735
00:43:23,068 --> 00:43:26,241
>> jon: so fidelity month is
Not replacing --
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736
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>> governor cox: we did not
Switch pride month for fidelity
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737
00:43:28,793 --> 00:43:31,344
Month although that is how it
Looked and i understand why it
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738
00:43:31,448 --> 00:43:32,517
Looked bad.
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739
00:43:32,620 --> 00:43:35,068
>> jon: does utah have a
Fidelity issue that they would
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740
00:43:35,172 --> 00:43:38,068
Have to -- seems like every
Month is fidelity month.
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741
00:43:38,172 --> 00:43:39,827
>> governor cox: you would
Hope so.
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742
00:43:39,931 --> 00:43:43,413
>> jon: i would think.
Certainly more than jersey and
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743
00:43:43,517 --> 00:43:44,137
New york.
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744
00:43:44,724 --> 00:43:46,137
>> governor cox: i have been
Here for a couple of days.
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745
00:43:46,241 --> 00:43:47,551
It is something.
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746
00:43:47,655 --> 00:43:49,034
>> jon: yeah, man.
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747
00:43:49,137 --> 00:43:51,068
>> governor cox: it is
Different than utah.
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748
00:43:51,172 --> 00:43:55,620
>> jon: we are going to change
That to our new tourist slogan.
749
749
00:43:55,724 --> 00:44:00,689
"new york: it is something."
[laughter]
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750
00:44:00,793 --> 00:44:02,896
[applause]
My man.
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751
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,103
I appreciate you.
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752
00:44:04,206 --> 00:44:05,413
>> governor cox: thank you.
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753
00:44:05,517 --> 00:44:08,103
>> jon: i appreciate you
Having these conversations in
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754
00:44:08,206 --> 00:44:10,379
Good faith and good spirit.
I will say this.
755
755
00:44:10,482 --> 00:44:14,344
We need more good faith
Argumentation and that includes
756
756
00:44:14,448 --> 00:44:18,103
Being able to discern the
Contemptible and to discern when
757
757
00:44:18,206 --> 00:44:21,241
Things are being weaponized in
The opposite direction and i do
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758
00:44:21,344 --> 00:44:23,793
Appreciate it and i urge people
To read it because it is an
759
759
00:44:23,896 --> 00:44:28,034
Interesting read and it is a
Fascinating book and i really do
760
760
00:44:28,137 --> 00:44:30,275
Appreciate you.
"off ramp" is available now.
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761
00:44:30,379 --> 00:44:38,724
Governor spencer cox.
We're going to take a quick
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762
00:44:38,827 --> 00:44:40,620
>> jon: that's our show for
Tonight!
763
763
00:44:40,724 --> 00:44:42,241
Before we go, let's check in
With your host for the rest of
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764
00:44:42,344 --> 00:44:47,586
The week, mr. Michael kosta!
Michael!
765
765
00:44:47,689 --> 00:44:50,965
[cheers and applause]
So good to see you, my friend.
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766
00:44:51,068 --> 00:44:54,689
What are we looking at this
Week?
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767
00:44:54,793 --> 00:44:56,482
>> jon, big news,
The republican party is holding
768
768
00:44:56,586 --> 00:45:00,517
Its first-ever midterm
Convention this week!
769
769
00:45:00,620 --> 00:45:03,103
It's got all the excitement of
Watching politicians talk
770
770
00:45:03,206 --> 00:45:05,172
Combined with an election half
The country doesn't know about.
771
771
00:45:05,275 --> 00:45:09,241
Whoo!
772
772
00:45:09,344 --> 00:45:10,448
>> jon: i feel your energy.
It sounds great.
773
773
00:45:10,551 --> 00:45:11,793
>> i'm glad you said that,
Because guess what, bitch, i got
774
774
00:45:11,896 --> 00:45:17,068
Us tickets!
You and me, front row, watching
775
775
00:45:17,172 --> 00:45:19,068
Superstars like
Senator john barrasso,
776
776
00:45:19,172 --> 00:45:25,793
Senator tim scott,
And holy shit, is that u.s.
777
777
00:45:25,896 --> 00:45:27,103
House candidate laurie buckhout?
You better [bleep] believe it
778
778
00:45:27,206 --> 00:45:31,206
Is!
779
779
00:45:31,310 --> 00:45:34,413
>> jon: i am very busy this
Week.
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780
00:45:34,517 --> 00:45:35,827
>> i didn't even tell you the
Best part: it's happening in
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781
00:45:35,931 --> 00:45:36,931
Dallas!
95 degrees!
782
782
00:45:37,034 --> 00:45:37,827
>> jon: yeah, i don't think...
783
783
00:45:37,931 --> 00:45:39,068
>> i didn't even tell you the
Best part:
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784
00:45:39,172 --> 00:45:43,482
We're going to miss the nfl
Kickoff for it!
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785
00:45:43,586 --> 00:45:49,862
>> jon: i am not going!
Michael kosta, everyone.
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786
00:45:49,965 --> 00:45:55,586
And by the way, before we go, a
Quick little thing come a good
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787
00:45:55,689 --> 00:45:59,241
Friend of mine by the name of
John feal has written a book.
788
788
00:45:59,344 --> 00:46:01,310
It is called
"i will follow you anywhere."
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789
00:46:01,413 --> 00:46:05,413
He is a 9/11 responder at,
Activist.
790
790
00:46:05,517 --> 00:46:11,310
It is the incredible story about
He and a ragtag band of veterans
791
791
00:46:11,413 --> 00:46:16,551
And responders and responders to
Nine 9/11 got together and
792
792
00:46:16,655 --> 00:46:20,103
Changed policy in washington.
It is an incredible book,
793
793
00:46:20,206 --> 00:46:23,724
Incredible read.
I wrote the foreword.
794
794
00:46:23,827 --> 00:46:26,517
Chatgpt wrote the foreword.
[laughter]
795
795
00:46:26,620 --> 00:46:30,620
And i signed it.
No.
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796
00:46:30,724 --> 00:46:34,448
His story is truly incredible
And he really shines a light on
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797
00:46:34,551 --> 00:46:38,551
All of the amazing people who
Got that done for the people who
798
798
00:46:38,655 --> 00:46:41,482
Deserved it so much down at
Ground zero.
799
799
00:46:41,586 --> 00:46:43,931
This is available at the link
Below.
800
800
00:46:44,034 --> 00:46:47,896
Please get it.
Here it is, your
801
801
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,137
"moment of zen."
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802
00:46:49,241 --> 00:46:51,137
>> you are learning the latest
Escalation between canada and
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803
00:46:51,241 --> 00:46:53,689
The u.s. Over those tariffs.
Could end up costing you every
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804
00:46:53,793 --> 00:46:56,517
Time you need to use the
Restroom.
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805
00:46:56,620 --> 00:46:58,896
>> reporter kevin landers
Explains how our country's
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