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Finally, the police
get their person.
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{\an8}Winter Swan-Miller
has been arrested
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{\an8}on suspicion of
Stuart Crocker's murder.
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{\an8}She's taken into custody,
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and she's then transferred down
to Hampshire.
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{\an8}After her fleeing to
Birmingham,
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she could have been hidden
for some time.
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I didn't think
it would take long, really,
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for her to be arrested.
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Just because
of the craving attention.
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You know,
her being a naughty girl,
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and all the things that she
portrayed on her TikTok videos.
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I'm going to be taking a break
from TikTok for a bit,
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I think, because
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I've been a bad girl.
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We're into new depths
of something here.
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My poor mate is dead.
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There is always two sides
to every story.
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They took Swan-Miller
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to Basingstoke
Investigation Centre.
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{\an8}On her record,
they will have flagged
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{\an8}the fact that she's a drug user.
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It took a long time
to interview her
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because she was high
when she was admitted.
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During Swan-Miller's
interviews,
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Most of the time
she answered no comment.
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{\an8}But on one occasion, she said
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{\an8}that there was a dispute
over the dog.
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She believed that Oblivion
had been stolen or let out,
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and she was blaming Stuart
for that.
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The police can hold
an individual for 24 hours
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without charging them.
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If police run out of time,
they have the ability to go to
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either a judge or a magistrate
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to ask to extend the time
for questioning.
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And that's what happened
in this case.
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So there's a huge amount
of work that now goes on.
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You know,
you're under the microscope
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and there are time limits
that you need to follow.
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So when she was
arrested,
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she had some jewellery,
a ring, a watch, bracelet.
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They were tested.
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They were looked at as part of
the whole forensic examination.
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And there were traces
of Stuart's blood on it.
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So within the crime
scene,
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there were notes
around the body.
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The notes read things like,
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"seriously up
and killed someone.
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I can't believe I stabbed him
to death in the throat.
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The back on the neck,
all the body.
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Then I choked him
with my LV bag.
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Haha! Oblivion was rolling
in his blood."
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The attack shows a real
hatred towards the victim.
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You know, there's something
that sparked
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this kind
of violent attack on him.
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The handwritten
notes were processed.
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And it was proved
to be Swan-Miller's handwriting
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by a graphologist.
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I am one of the reporters
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on all the crime stories
for Andover Advertiser.
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{\an8}There aren't many murders
in Andover.
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{\an8}So, when this case came up,
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we knew that this was a big
talking point in Andover.
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When Winter Swan-Miller
was arrested from the Midlands,
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she was with another man.
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He was also arrested,
as police believed
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he knew about the murder,
and he was helping her.
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The police questioned
this gentleman
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about how he knew Swan-Miller
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and what the nature
of their relationship was,
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and he started talking about
this woman who had turned up,
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referred by a friend of his,
who needed somewhere to stay.
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{\an8}This man is facing serious
charges now
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{\an8}of basically
assisting an offender
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{\an8}and the fraud and the use
of Stuart Crocker's card
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at cashpoints.
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This man was then charged
by police.
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Swan-Miller was
eventually charged
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with the murder
of Stuart Crocker,
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which is the most serious
offence
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that someone
can be charged with.
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I think people
were quite relieved.
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I think there was
almost a sense of
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at least we found her,
and is off the streets,
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and we're thinking,
this is going to be a big case,
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{\an8}people are interested,
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{\an8}and they're coming to us for
the information at this point,
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{\an8}because it hasn't been picked
up nationally that much.
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We had
a family liaison officer,
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{\an8}and she rang us to say
that she had been charged.
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It was hard.
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For all this to happen
was a shock
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how she had attacked
our lives, basically,
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and changed the path of it.
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I was happy
when I had heard
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that she had been caught
and charged.
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{\an8}I think it was such an ordeal
for me, mentally,
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to lose the one best
friend I've had.
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I was also angry
because I had also hoped that
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they would find her in a ditch.
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Swan-Miller's case was that
she admitted killing Stuart,
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but that she didn't intend
to kill him,
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or that she had a momentary loss
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as a result of some kind
of breakdown.
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In effect, it meant
there had to be a trial,
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and a trial required
the prosecution to prove,
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beyond reasonable doubt,
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i.e., so the jury can be sure
that she did commit it.
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The police's work
has barely started.
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They've got a suspect,
they've charged a suspect.
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But there's still an awful lot
to do.
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The police need to ensure
that all the evidence stacks up
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and shows
that she is responsible
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for the murder of Stuart.
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They will be pulling together
all the witness statements.
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They'll be looking at the CCTV
imagery that they have.
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They'll be looking
at her social media accounts
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and the footage
that they've taken from that.
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They'll be examining the notes
that she's written.
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The defence will be speaking
to psychologists, psychiatrists.
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They will be looking
at any background behaviours.
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They'll also be trying
to discredit Stuart,
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who, sadly, is not there
to defend himself.
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And that's why it's
really important
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we get the family there
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that can speak
on behalf of the victim,
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but also the police
investigation itself.
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I was aware that, you know,
obviously,
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that the police have now
got a suspect, shall we say,
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at this point.
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{\an8}Those that knew Swan-Miller, um,
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{\an8}I think were just hoping that
this would be the end of it,
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and that she wouldn't be
returning out.
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Then I thought, well,
who's fighting for Stuart?
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The man's gone, you know,
he'll be forgotten.
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And as a consequence,
I found myself delving.
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So with Swan-Miller
on the front page,
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this is the first time
that we've got her custody shot.
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So we have a picture of her now,
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which looks vastly different to
the pictures of her on TikTok.
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There's been several posts
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been put out
on social media by police.
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And there's a lot
of posts going around.
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There's a lot of speculation
on social media
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across the whole country.
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And then people from
Winter Swan-Miller's past life
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start commenting
on different posts.
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And as my phone pinged,
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it started ringing
straight away.
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So I've answered the phone,
and my mum's like,
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"I knew there was something
wrong about that Swan-Miller"
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She said, "look
at what I've just sent you."
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And there she was,
Swan-Miller's face,
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stabbed some poor man to death.
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My daughter Kelly, she
got in touch with me to tell me
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that Swan-Miller
had killed somebody.
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Murdered someone.
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Stuart Crocker.
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She stabbed him many times.
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Swan-Miller,
I just did not like the woman.
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She destroyed my daughter,
Natalie's life.
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She were evil.
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Naturally, as journalists,
we're monitoring the comments,
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and sometimes they will lead to
connections or better stories.
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So we're shocked to find out
that Winter Swan-Miller,
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she's been married, she's,
she'd been married to a woman.
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Natalie.
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We're starting
to see this picture
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of Winter Swan-Miller's life
before Andover,
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before Stuart.
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I got a message
from Kelly Pashley.
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Kelly Pashley was
Natalie Pashley's sister.
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So this reads, I quote, "I hope
you investigate Swan-Miller
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because we came to the police
in Derbyshire after my sister
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suddenly died
of a brain haemorrhage
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caused by blunt force trauma.
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Nothing was done,
but she moved away,
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changed her name, and now
a man has lost his life."
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This was referring to Stuart.
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This is what really
prompted my interest,
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something that I felt
I could investigate.
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It was suggested to me
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that the death
of Natalie was not an accident.
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Natalie has been laid
to rest.
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But I'm ashamed because
she hasn't got a headstone.
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I've got end of life diagnosis.
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{\an8}But I want to see
that she's got this stone on,
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you know, before I actually go.
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When Natalie was born,
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as soon as we had her,
that was it,
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we fell in love
with her straight away.
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And she got a bit older,
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she were more of a tomboy
than a girl.
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She'd get up to playing football
and all sorts of stuff,
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and she were rough and ready,
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which I loved about her,
because she were funny.
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She weren't a girly-girl.
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Natalie came home one night,
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and she'd got this girl
with her, called Swan-Miller.
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And things progressed.
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Natalie began to like her a lot.
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{\an8}When I first met Swan-Miller
with my Auntie Nat,
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{\an8}she took us all out shopping.
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Wouldn't think anything of it.
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She was a happy person.
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{\an8}When I was younger,
I used to follow Swan-Miller
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{\an8}on Instagram,
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and pictures with my Auntie Nat
and whatnot.
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She's always seemed to have been
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very social media
influenced, like.
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The relationship
looks like a happy,
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normal, healthy relationship.
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There's lots
of posts about love.
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It looks all bright and rosy.
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Natalie moved in with Miller
and her mum, Blair.
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{\an8}Right, we're going up to start
doing the challenge.
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My Auntie Nat
and Swan-Miller they,
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they both seem genuinely happy,
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and I was happy to see
that my auntie was happy.
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The next time we see her,
she's married.
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No one knew about the wedding.
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No one was invited,
it just happened.
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My daughter Natalie,
she had her name changed to,
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Harper Swan-Miller.
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It were a farce, basically.
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It were just, oh, come on,
let's get married type of thing,
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and that was that.
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My daughter can't even remember
getting married to Swan-Miller.
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She says it were like a dream,
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like it, it weren't real.
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I noticed things changing
with my daughter.
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She came a bit withdrawn,
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not her usual self.
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After a period of time
in the relationship,
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we were not seeing that at all.
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None of us were, she was
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cut off from the whole family.
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There was constant arguments
between
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Swan-Miller and my Nana Lynn.
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I suspected that
Swan-Miller was taking drugs
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and I think she was giving
them Natalie as well.
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Natalie came to my home
with Swan-Miller,
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and they were stood
in my kitchen,
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and I said, "would any of
you like anything to eat?"
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No, we're fine.
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And then a bit after it,
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it was like about 5
or 10 minutes later,
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Natalie's eyes started rolling.
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Natalie, she couldn't
even respond to me.
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She couldn't even talk to me.
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And I went mad,
and I said to her,
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"what on earth has she had?"
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Miller's laughing her head off.
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I said, "don't laugh,
that's my daughter."
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I says,
"I want to know what she's had."
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She says, "oh,
I gave her such and such."
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I said, "you gave her what?"
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she says, "It was only a
paracetamol and something else."
259
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So my mum were constantly
arguing with Swan-Miller.
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Tell her what she's
doing is not right.
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And then our auntie Nat
would stick with Swan-Miller
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and say everything's fine,
everything's fine.
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Things weren't fine.
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All the neighbours had been on
about them.
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She'd been hitting
on Natalie with a golf club.
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It seems that their dynamic in
the household was very abusive.
267
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We've all seen burn marks
on my auntie Nat's hands.
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So the images of the burn
marks were sent from Nat
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to my mother,
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and I believe that was because
my Auntie Nat was concerned,
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but didn't quite know how
to explain
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that she was scared about what
was going on in the house, like.
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Because she was
getting abused.
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So if you think about
coercive behaviour,
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{\an8}psychological abuse is often
about isolating the victim
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{\an8}from their friends, their family
and their social network,
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but also breaking down
their sense of self-esteem,
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their confidence, then really
activating their insecurities.
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Because what that does
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is create dependency
on that person.
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Then, if we bring in
physical abuse,
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that's about reinforcing
the fact that
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there's consequences
if this individual resists.
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[sinister music
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Natalie's sister, Kelly,
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{\an8}is quite rightly concerned
about what's happening,
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{\an8}and she's still terrified,
288
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{\an8}frightened about what
the future might hold
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if her sister continues
in this abusive relationship.
290
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So she's starting to document
incidents that are happening
291
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between Natalie
and Winter Storm Miller.
292
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She's starting
to keep text messages
293
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and pictures
and screenshots.
294
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Russell was in touch with us.
295
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He's tracking things,
296
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and he's been speaking
to Natalie's family,
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and they have shown
WhatsApp messages
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and shared photographs
that they have
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of Natalie
in a really distressing state.
300
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My Auntie Nat was usually
a chubby-ish girl.
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She sent pictures to my mum
of her in the bath
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scrawny as anything,
not looking like herself at all.
303
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{\an8}Here we can see
personal text messages
304
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{\an8}that have been sent.
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{\an8}Harper, which we now know as
Natalie, is texting her sister.
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Oh my God. WTF?
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Right, this is Kelly going,
308
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What on earth has gone on?
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Kelly is in disbelief
at how her sister now looks.
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She's emaciated.
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Oh, she looked filthy.
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Really dirty.
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She was thin, her bones
were showing and everything,
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and she looked scared.
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She was sleeping
in the shed outside.
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The whole control went on
for quite a while,
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about 2 or 3 years.
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It was really upsetting for me,
you know,
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because last time I ever spoke
to Natalie,
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Natalie was telling me
they'd moved to Rotherham.
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Swan-Miller
and my daughter Natalie,
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and her mother, Blair.
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We've got an house there.
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I said to her, I said, "well,
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when are you going
to give me your phone number?"
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She says, "oh well,
I'll give it you."
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She says, "I've got a new one."
328
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She says, "and I'll let
you know what it is."
329
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So I waited...
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Nothing.
331
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No phone call, no social media.
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It were like,
my daughter didn't exist,
333
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you know, she vanished
off the face of blooming earth.
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It was the 11th of August
335
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2019,
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I got up on the Sunday morning
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to a phone call.
338
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It was Blair Miller,
Swan-Miller's mum,
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to tell me that my daughter
had passed away.
340
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I thought it was some sick joke.
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Natalie had been on a
life support machine.
342
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Five days she was left there,
343
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and of course, the next of kin
was the very only Swan-Miller.
344
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I found out
that my daughter
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had been dumped by Swan-Miller
346
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in the hallway of the hospital,
and just left.
347
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Just to die, really.
348
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,719
The people in the hospital
had actually said
349
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that they'd found this girl
on a trolley in the hallway
350
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where she'd been seen
whoever had rushed off
351
00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:14,480
and just left her there
352
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,639
And then about
five days into
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my auntie being on
an intensive care ward,
354
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,239
Swan-Miller tells them
to turn the machine off.
355
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I felt guilty
that I couldn't be with her.
356
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The people that were looking
for my daughter
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didn't know her proper name.
358
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They didn't know
she'd got a family.
359
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:44,560
They knew nothing.
360
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,879
The family say the next
thing they're facing
361
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is the fact
that they can't retrieve
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00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,600
Natalie's body
from the hospital.
363
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,479
Winter Swan-Miller
is the next of kin,
364
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she's the wife,
365
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and she hasn't collected
the body
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or followed any of
the processes.
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So now the family
are not only grieving,
368
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,959
they're also having to deal
with a situation
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where they're facing unnecessary
red tape and barriers.
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And it come to the point
where my mum and me
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and Auntie Natalie’s father
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had to agree to pay
for the whole funeral costs
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for them to release
the body to us,
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and it was a period
of about three weeks
375
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before we could even
get her in the chapel of rest.
376
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So we had the funeral,
377
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,599
we tried to invite Swan-Miller.
378
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,199
She didn't want nothing
to do with the funeral at all
379
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for some reason.
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She was avoiding all
conversations, all phone calls.
381
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,999
Didn't want to give us any of
Nat's belongings at all.
382
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,399
Nothing.
383
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,359
There was definitely two
different versions of events
384
00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:02,399
that Swan-Miller had told us
regarding my auntie's passing.
385
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,799
One of them was that she was in
the garden cutting the grass,
386
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,799
and she fell over
and banged her head,
387
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,199
and that's when she
took her to hospital.
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00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,559
And the other one was
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that she'd gone
to sleep with a headache
390
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and just simply not woke up.
391
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,359
There were some
irregularities,
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00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,439
shall we say, in the story,
393
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,079
as to how Winter Miller's
wife had been deceased.
394
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,279
I'm collecting these notes,
and I'm thinking,
395
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,360
well, that's strange.
396
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,479
With that insight,
397
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,160
the mother and the sister
challenged the coroner's report.
398
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,039
The coroner,
399
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,680
he says it was a rare bleed
to the brain.
400
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,880
I said, "well,
how would that have happened?"
401
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,679
He says, "well,
we're not quite sure."
402
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,439
I says, "I am."
403
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,239
I says, "I think it's an hit
to head, she's had.
404
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,919
I want an inquest."
405
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,400
"No, no, no, no, I'm not willing
to perform one."
406
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,480
He says, "at the end of the day,
407
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,439
I've done my job, he says, and
I've come to that conclusion,
408
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,079
what happened and all the events
that went surrounding it,"
409
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,560
he says, "And I'm happy
that Natalie died that way."
410
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,599
I understand the Pashley
family are not happy
411
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,519
with the coroner's report
regarding Natalie's death.
412
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,199
{\an8}But it's not just a question
of being unhappy
413
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,999
{\an8}because you think
something's happened.
414
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,960
{\an8}You need some solid evidence
to change the coroner's view.
415
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,239
When Natalie Pashley's family
found out about, you know,
416
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,279
the events that had
unfolded with Stuart,
417
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,840
this dossier, it was provided
to Hampshire police.
418
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,359
They were outlining abuse.
419
00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:02,399
They were outlining events
that had happened.
420
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,039
And they weren't just
describing,
421
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,279
there were visual photos.
422
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,199
And I was told
unofficially that, um,
423
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,479
don't worry,
this isn't the end of it, okay?
424
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,800
There will be, you know,
she's going to get re-arrested.
425
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,359
Natalie's family
was hoping that
426
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:22,119
Natalie's story will be told
as part of
427
00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,959
Winter Swan-Miller's trial,
428
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,680
because they wanted
Natalie's voice to be heard.
429
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,959
The Hampshire police were
calling my mum,
430
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,639
asking her to be a witness
in court.
431
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,119
It was crazy. It was like,
after all these years
432
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,279
of putting something to bed,
433
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,919
and having to accept that
434
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,479
there was nothing
that was going to happen,
435
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,239
and my auntie had gone
and that was it.
436
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,199
And then all of a sudden,
437
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,359
Swan-Miller was right
in the forefront
438
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:51,520
of all of our minds again.
439
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:22,760
It was held
at Winchester Crown Court.
440
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,559
In the public gallery, there
were many friends and family
441
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,999
from Stuart Crocker,
442
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,679
with Winter Swan-Miller
in the dock
443
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,960
for the murder
of Stuart Crocker.
444
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,959
{\an8}I wanted to see who
Swan-Miller was in the flesh,
445
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,519
because I wanted her to see
446
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,999
from people
that meant something to Stuart
447
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,040
what she had done,
especially to Joseph.
448
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,400
I was incredibly anxious.
449
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:05,880
{\an8}I wanted to hear what
had happened in its entirety,
450
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,399
and I wanted to take
that burden on
451
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,720
as perhaps some sort
of punishment
452
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:16,240
for not being there as much as
I could have been for my dad.
453
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,279
Given the evidence
around the TikTok
454
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,759
and forensic evidence,
455
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,519
she had pleaded not guilty.
456
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,519
{\an8}I was sitting inside
the courtroom with a laptop.
457
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,359
{\an8}I was reporting it live
from the room there,
458
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:34,239
{\an8}and it goes straight to
the Andover Advertiser website,
459
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,479
where people
outside can just read
460
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,360
what's happening
inside the courtroom.
461
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,959
The first stage of a trial
462
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,240
is for the prosecution to
present the case to the jurors.
463
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,279
And the prosecution's case
was that Winter Swan-Miller
464
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,799
committed this murder
465
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,399
in like with an intent
to kill him,
466
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,599
it was just plain murder.
467
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,679
There were a number of witnesses
were called to the courtroom.
468
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,440
The main investigation officer,
469
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,479
her examination
and cross-examination
470
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,679
went on for several days.
471
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:19,519
What was shown in court
was the TikTok video,
472
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,719
which we now know to have
been filmed at Stuarts flat,
473
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,960
not long after she killed him.
474
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,560
Well, hi guys.
475
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,399
I'm going to be taking a break
from TikTok for a bit,
476
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,760
I think because
477
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,959
I've been a bad girl.
478
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:41,999
Hmm.
479
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,320
I can only explain
480
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,320
when the time comes.
481
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,720
I had to do what I did because
482
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:57,960
of my
483
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,560
situation.
484
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,200
The video showed her
confessing to what she'd done.
485
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,639
She was sat on the sofa
486
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,959
{\an8}and her legs were actually
over Stuart's body beneath her.
487
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,239
Pretty horrific scene,
by all accounts, inside.
488
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,840
I'll give you my name.
I'll give you my location.
489
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,799
The prosecution say this
was a calculated act
490
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,119
that she undertook,
491
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,560
and she was seeking
that notoriety.
492
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,799
I've never seen this type
of admission before
493
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,319
where somebody has committed
a brutal act like she has,
494
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,679
and then gone straight online
to tell her followers
495
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,039
about what's happened.
496
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,079
It's certainly unusual.
497
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,079
She doesn't look distressed
when she's making this post.
498
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,399
In fact, she looks quite pleased
with herself,
499
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,840
which is particularly worrying,
500
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,760
but it is really unusual to see.
501
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,799
The prosecution
also showed in court
502
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,519
a series of films of Swan-Miller
talking into her telephone,
503
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,119
which weren't posted anywhere.
504
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,280
They weren't posted online
505
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,280
saying things like,
I killed the
506
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,519
Swan-Miller can be
heard saying,
507
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,199
"these are the dogs
they steal from me
508
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,280
or tried to steal from me.
509
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,280
I killed the .
510
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,759
And there's another one
that says,
511
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,320
"I'm sitting in the same room
as the old man that I stabbed."
512
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,959
Powerful words.
513
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,880
She was telling people
that she had killed someone.
514
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,079
So this is the other side of
the social media persona
515
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,600
of Winter Swan-Miller.
516
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,320
Truly disturbing.
517
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,759
In the court,
prosecution also said that,
518
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,799
on the day of the murder,
519
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,199
there were videos
of Winter Swan-Miller
520
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,919
going to cashpoints
to take money
521
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,440
out of Mr. Crocker's bank card.
522
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,600
We saw CCTV footages
of her going to the Tesco.
523
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,199
As she was leaving Andover,
she had her luggage with her.
524
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,880
She also had a dog.
525
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,160
Oblivion.
526
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,799
Forensics are called to court,
and they give evidence
527
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,679
that says Stuart's
blood has been found
528
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,479
on things owned
by Winter Swan-Miller,
529
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,199
such as her watch
and her jewellery.
530
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,399
The jurors were also told
about a Louis Vuitton bag
531
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,720
that Winter Swan-Miller had.
532
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,959
There was DNA evidence
on the strap,
533
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,840
showing that
she used to strangle him.
534
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,200
That's pretty damning.
535
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,519
So, the next thing
presented to the court
536
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,719
is that Swan-Miller's DNA
537
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,879
has been found
under Stuart's fingernails
538
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,599
and in his underwear.
539
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,119
There was also DNA
of a sexual nature,
540
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,959
which proved that they were
engaged in a sexual act
541
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,519
just before the incident.
542
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,719
After the prosecution
completed their case,
543
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,159
it was the turn
of the defence counsel
544
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,799
to present
Winter Swan-Miller's case,
545
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,479
explaining
this was not a murder,
546
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,639
this was a manslaughter.
547
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,719
When I sit as a
magistrate
548
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,799
where you sit
as a judge and jury,
549
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,679
you would listen
to the prosecution case.
550
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,520
That's what was always
presented first.
551
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:10,679
And you'd be,
552
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,519
"oh, for God's sake,
what are we doing here?
553
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,199
They're so obviously guilty.
554
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,440
What a waste of time."
555
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,079
Then the defence would stand up.
556
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,479
So it's definitely a game
of two halves.
557
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,959
So the defence said
558
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,999
that Winter Swan-Miller
had acted in self-defence,
559
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,480
that Stuart had raped her.
560
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,320
She had grabbed a knife
and stabbed him in fear.
561
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,919
Her argument was that she was
the vulnerable victim
562
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,720
and Stuart Crocker was
the abuser and the manipulator.
563
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,479
And this last moment was,
she'd had enough,
564
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:57,600
so she killed him.
565
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,399
They said that
from the evidence,
566
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,559
the forensic could
not prove that
567
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,199
the sexual act was consensual
568
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,880
or was it a sexual assault?
569
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,479
The defence also said
the number of stab wounds
570
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,559
show that it was
an act in panic,
571
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,880
rather than a premeditated
murder attempt.
572
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,279
We followed the trial
on social media,
573
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,959
Swan-Miller was saying,
574
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,319
Stuart Crocker raped her.
575
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,480
All sorts of stuff,
she'd come up with.
576
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,120
It felt like the jury
were believing her.
577
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,079
I thought, oh, please, no.
578
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,519
Just don't let her get away
with this.
579
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,319
After the accusations,
580
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,559
Swan-Miller was fighting
for her life.
581
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:50,479
{\an8}I was worried
582
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,719
{\an8}that people might
fall for the victim statements
583
00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:56,720
she was giving out.
584
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,439
She was intimating that
585
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,559
something bad had happened
to her.
586
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,319
Imagine Stuart's family,
his son.
587
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,120
His ex-wife.
588
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,200
What if this goes the wrong way?
589
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,919
So that was a concern to me,
the family,
590
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,879
and probably to the police
as well.
591
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,119
We learned
during the trial
592
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,119
all these rapes and things that
she kept saying would happened.
593
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,039
None of them
were ever confirmed.
594
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,440
None of it was ever reported
to the police.
595
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,360
Knowing my relationship
with Stuart,
596
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,440
I can say hand on heart,
no way would Stuart rape anyone.
597
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,399
It's a really tricky
position to be in
598
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,079
as a prosecution team,
599
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,799
{\an8}to try and disprove
that that had happened,
600
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,959
{\an8}particularly when it's one
person's word against another
601
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,440
and the other person
is no longer with us.
602
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,759
... Second
defence strategy
603
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,240
was loss of control.
604
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:04,239
Her argument was a fear
for the fate of her dog
605
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,239
as the trigger
for loss of control.
606
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:09,879
And if the jury accept that,
607
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,119
it wouldn't have
been an acquittal,
608
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,519
but it would have been
a downgrade from murder
609
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,039
to voluntary manslaughter
as the charge.
610
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,840
So Swan-Miller's claims about
the dog having been kidnapped
611
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,160
on first sight looks sort
of mad.
612
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:31,119
Um, but you've got
to remember that
613
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,479
in the state and in the place
614
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,999
that drugs can put
an individual,
615
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,039
people can become very paranoid.
616
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,759
It turns out that Oblivion
had escaped from the flat
617
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,439
and was returned by a neighbour,
618
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,399
but in her mind,
this was the trigger
619
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,040
for her attacking
and murdering Stuart.
620
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:54,719
The third defence strategy
was diminished responsibility.
621
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,719
Now this is, um, due to insanity
622
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,799
or intoxication
or all of the above.
623
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,919
The jurors heard
that she had a,
624
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,839
like a difficult childhood.
625
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:14,119
It was only seven months
since the death of her mother,
626
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,439
Blair Swan-Miller.
627
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,879
She died due to overuse
of prescribed drugs,
628
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,799
which led
to respiratory depression.
629
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,399
So there was a lot of,
um, mental health issues
630
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,839
was going through, uh,
her life during this time.
631
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,159
So considering these factors,
632
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,039
defence, uh,
try to make it a point
633
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,040
that she had a diminished
responsibility in this incident.
634
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,439
It was like a tennis game.
635
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,879
The prosecution
would present an evidence
636
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,319
and then the defence would try
to strike that down.
637
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,119
I think the biggest thing for
me that I found out
638
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,279
when I went to court
639
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,399
was the finer details of Winter
640
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,479
and my dad's
encounters together.
641
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,960
Hearing about how she had
control of his bank accounts,
642
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,879
she would decide
who he could call or text,
643
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,839
how she would make him pay
for alcohol and drugs,
644
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,279
and the exploits
she had with other men
645
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,759
behind my dad's back.
646
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,240
Hearing her defence
was disgusting.
647
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:40,559
After 12 weeks,
we hear closing arguments,
648
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,719
and we hear from her defence
649
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,439
that she's not a monster,
650
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,520
but she is a tragic figure.
651
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,999
If I was the SIO,
I'd be quite nervous,
652
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,040
I think, in that trial.
653
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,679
I normally go to trials
very confident, thinking,
654
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,279
we've got our person.
655
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,119
The jury are going
to see through all this.
656
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,599
But for me, it just yeah,
it was one of those ones
657
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,000
that it could have gone
either way.
658
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,839
The jury has sent out.
659
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,199
this starts three days
of deliberation,
660
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,279
ten hours of discussion
661
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,000
until they finally come back
with their verdict.
662
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:27,120
Then the court's back
in session.
663
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:33,239
I sat down,
664
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,280
mum was holding my hand tightly.
665
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,760
There was loads of
people there that day.
666
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,679
And the jury are asked if
they have come to their verdict.
667
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,240
They've made their decision.
668
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,879
It's guilty and unanimous.
669
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,359
And as soon as the guilty
verdict came up,
670
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,640
I air punched and went, "Yes!"
671
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,719
The judge issued the
sentence,
672
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:12,599
which was 23 years for the
murder of Mr. Stuart Crocker.
673
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,320
We were all ecstatic
upon hearing it and
674
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,199
seeing her shake her head
675
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,240
at the fact that she's
getting her sentence.
676
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:31,880
I think Swan-Miller thought
it was all going to go her way.
677
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,079
Just relief that she
didn't get away with it
678
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,440
on some sort of made up,
you know, stories.
679
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,599
Thank God, 23 years, yes.
680
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,639
Should have been 123 years.
681
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:45,679
That's what it should have been.
682
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,199
My mum, she was meant
to be a witness for court,
683
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,559
for Swan-Miller's trial,
684
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,880
but they never called her up
in the end for some reason.
685
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,119
And so she was very disappointed
by the end of it,
686
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,639
when they hadn't
got hold of her,
687
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,799
and didn't invite her down
to court.
688
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,919
Natalie's family were probably
hoping that
689
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,799
it would come up
as a potential, you know,
690
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,719
is there anything suspicious
here that happened here?
691
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,799
Maybe they could, could get
that looked at
692
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,319
and investigated again.
693
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,799
However, the murder trial
was solely on Stuart Crocker
694
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,479
and what's happened to him.
695
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,639
It's difficult to really
understand why
696
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,639
Swan-Miller did what she did to
Stuart on that particular day,
697
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,239
but what I can take from
that crime scene
698
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,959
is this was a particularly
personal attack
699
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,680
and particularly vicious.
700
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,279
She used him for money.
701
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,879
She used him for shelter,
702
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,119
and may have used him
for sex as well,
703
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,319
and for some reason
or another, something happened
704
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,159
where she decided
she no longer needed him,
705
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,080
and she carried out
this vicious attack on him.
706
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,119
Winter Swan-Miller,
she'll be out in 2047.
707
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,319
She'll be out when she's 59.
708
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,279
Why did Winter Swan-Miller
kill Stuart Crocker?
709
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,199
Was her brain addled
by all the class A drugs?
710
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,999
Was it the fact
that he had let her dog out,
711
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,039
or was she doing it for fame
for the influencer?
712
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,639
I guess we'll never know, really.
713
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,919
My main concern
when I look back on this
714
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,000
is that there were so many
warning markers missed,
715
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,359
I felt helplessness
that Stuart had died.
716
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,120
I feel it could have
been prevented.
717
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,039
This is a fallen comrade.
718
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,200
This is a friend.
719
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,039
Um, this is someone that
720
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,520
nobody really was wanting
to stand up for.
721
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,520
Uh, you know,
he'd lost his way a little bit.
722
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,799
I would like Stuart to
be remembered as a kind person.
723
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,480
He was a good soldier,
and he served his country well.
724
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,119
I love
the memories of me
725
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,520
being able to cook him dinner.
726
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,359
I love the memories
of him pestering me on the phone
727
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,240
for hours on end, even when
I didn't want to be bothered.
728
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:49,040
I love the memories we did have.
729
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:51,240
The good memories.
730
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,439
So this is my dad, Stuart.
731
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,720
Uh, we plan to take him
towards Scotland,
732
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,359
where we're hoping
to spread his ashes over a loch
733
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,560
to honour his wishes.
734
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,880
I'm not sure how I feel.
735
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,519
It feels weird to hold your dad
736
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,199
in two hands like
this, I suppose,
737
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,760
but I can take
some joy in the fact that
738
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,600
I've still got him close to me.
57697
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