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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,279 Me and my partner decided to take a little break 2 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:35,920 and have a couple of days away. 3 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:43,440 {\an8}On going downstairs, there was a horrible smell in the lobby. 4 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,399 {\an8}I said to my partner, 5 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,199 {\an8}"oh, it smells like somebody's died here." 6 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,719 {\an8}So I backtracked out the door 7 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,560 and I looked through the window. 8 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,959 I've noticed what looked like a pair of shoes 9 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,079 which was down by the sofa. 10 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,039 Then it registered to me that they were actually 11 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,520 on somebody's feet. 12 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:14,999 Emergency, which service? 13 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,079 Hi, um, I'm just phoning cos 14 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,720 I think there's somebody on the floor in his flat. 15 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:21,959 I don't know whether he's breathing or not, 16 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:23,399 and I'm not sure whether anything 17 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:24,919 untoward's has happened to him. 18 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,959 Andover's a small town. 19 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:31,639 It's not usual for serious crime 20 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,600 to be taking place. 21 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,360 And it's certainly not usual for a murder to happen here. 22 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:43,280 Are other people now in danger? 23 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,440 There was this young blonde lady staying with him. 24 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:50,760 Seemed to fall in love with her. 25 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,879 {\an8}She was trying to be like a model. 26 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,360 {\an8}She's big into TikTok. 27 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,320 To me, there was something different about her. 28 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:00,639 They are concerned for her safety. 29 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,039 There is no trace of her at this stage. 30 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,439 She may have been the last person to see him alive. 31 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,639 She may have been an important witness. 32 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,560 Where is she? 33 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,039 Andover is very close to the South Downs National Park. 34 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,439 And then we're very lucky to have really historic little 35 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,880 villages and towns that are peppered across Hampshire. 36 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:38,959 Andover is largely a military town. 37 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,720 It's the home of the British Army. 38 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,879 Sadly, a lot of veterans do have a lot of issues, 39 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,320 especially when they come out, and they're on civvy street. 40 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,799 The rates of people with mental health issues 41 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,599 or with drug or alcohol dependencies is higher 42 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,079 for these people who've had these bad experiences 43 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,080 within the military. 44 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,759 I'm just gonna keep that underneath. 45 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,439 It's the story of what happened. 46 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,920 All right. Just prompt me. 47 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:10,879 Kim investigates. 48 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,480 Take one. 49 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,839 I'm the regional editor for a group of regional newspapers, 50 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,399 {\an8}one of which is the Andover Advertiser. 51 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,039 The Andover Advertiser is a local newspaper 52 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,879 reporting on all manner of issues in the community. 53 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,159 Charity sales, school fundraisers, 54 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,879 stories of human interest. 55 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,880 We cover a vast spectrum. 56 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,199 Andover is a small town. 57 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,999 It's not usual for serious crime to be taking place. 58 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,279 It happens maybe once a year if you're unlucky. 59 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,479 Round about midday, 60 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,119 {\an8}the ambulance service received a 999 call 61 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,919 {\an8}from a resident of a block of flats 62 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,799 on the outskirts of Andover. 63 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,759 The ambulance service notified the police and so the police, 64 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,239 with the assistance of the fire service, 65 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,640 broke into that ground floor flat. 66 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,479 They found the body of a white male 67 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,879 {\an8}covered in a sheet or a blanket, 68 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,240 {\an8}with a pillowcase over his head. 69 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:28,799 It was a very messy scene. 70 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,239 There was a lot of blood. 71 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,359 He'd been stabbed. 72 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:36,879 Slightly strange, 73 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,159 there was a fan in the corner which was on, 74 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,560 and playing sort of, across the body. 75 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,079 There was a theory that the fan had been put on 76 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,359 to keep the body cool, 77 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,559 or reduce the length of time it was going to take to decompose. 78 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,279 But there were also some scrunched up handwritten notes 79 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:55,599 scattered around the flat. 80 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,520 And are clearly left there for somebody to find and to read. 81 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,399 And they would have been seized because they would yield 82 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,999 fingerprint evidence, potentially some DNA evidence. 83 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,959 And also down the line, maybe some handwriting evidence 84 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,160 that may be essential. 85 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,199 Other police officers will be drafted in 86 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,119 to make sure that it's, it's guarded 87 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,680 while it continues to be a scene of ongoing investigation. 88 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:30,759 The crime scene investigators will start looking for evidence 89 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,639 that's actually clues. 90 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,439 Are there any mobile phones that are hidden in the drawers? 91 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,399 Or are there any computers in there? 92 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,200 Any electrical devices that might assist the investigation? 93 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,959 Forensic examiners are in there spending hours 94 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,959 looking for any evidence 95 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,359 that will yield any forensic potential, 96 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,760 whether that's fingerprints, hair, DNA, blood samples. 97 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,559 and then photographers, they'll be photographing things in situ 98 00:05:58,560 --> 00:05:59,519 of the scene. 99 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,879 Wednesday's for us as a weekly newspaper are really busy. 100 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,079 Most of our titles print on a Thursday, 101 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,399 so we're really up against a lot of deadlines. 102 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,079 And we had a few calls come in to the Andover news desk 103 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,839 saying that they'd been past this block of flats, 104 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:26,359 and there seemed to be a lot of activity there. 105 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:27,479 What's going on? 106 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,199 So after that phone call, 107 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,479 I immediately messaged Jemma, 108 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,319 who, at that point, was our senior journalist. 109 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,679 {\an8}So when I arrive, immediately 110 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,319 {\an8}there's a load of police in the car park. 111 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,959 There's 4 or 5 vehicles. 112 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,399 Forensics were going in and out, 113 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,359 so immediately we know something's happened, 114 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,519 it's probably likely going to be quite a big story 115 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,079 that we're going to want to follow. 116 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,199 She sent the photographs back. 117 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,759 You can see all the police cars parked in the car park there 118 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,079 and there's a tent, and that's a sure fire sign 119 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,559 that something really serious has happened here. 120 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,239 So blood was clearly surrounding the deceased 121 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,879 on the floor at the apartment. 122 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,399 And it was decided that a blood spatter analysis scientist 123 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:20,760 would be called to the scene. 124 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,880 And they're used to show where the attack took place. 125 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,480 Did it happen whilst the person was lying down on the floor, 126 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,839 or was this some kind of fight within the living room itself 127 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,399 with their movement around? 128 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,839 Are there any handprints or fingerprints in blood as well 129 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,359 that might assist to show kind of what happened 130 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:43,320 on that particular day? 131 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,279 The body is then removed to the mortuary, 132 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:56,799 and on this occasion it would have been taken 133 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,559 to Winchester County Hospital, 134 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,279 where a forensic mortuary is, 135 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,520 and so a post-mortem would be conducted. 136 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,359 The victim was identified as Stuart Crocker, 137 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:11,959 a 62-year-old male 138 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,439 who was an Army veteran 139 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,799 and had lived in Andover most of his life 140 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,119 since leaving the Army. 141 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,039 We'd heard that a man called Stuart had been murdered. 142 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,280 Then the police confirm his details. 143 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,399 He was actually grandfather, 144 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:35,640 a father. 145 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,880 What could possibly have led to this incident? 146 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,999 We'd all gone out for dinner in St Marybourne. 147 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,799 Had Alicia with me as well. 148 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,760 Alicia is my daughter 149 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,719 {\an8}got back to the house and there is these two WPCs sat there, 150 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,119 and I've looked at her, and I've said, "it's Stuart," 151 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,879 and she's looked at me and she said, 152 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,440 "shall we just go inside and talk?" 153 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:13,000 They told us that Stuart had been found under circumstances, 154 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,040 where they said it could be murder. 155 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,880 And I just came out of the house 156 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,760 straight into the car and went over to see Joseph. 157 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,519 There's a knock at the door 158 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,359 and I opened the door, 159 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,119 and there's my mum and Alicia, 160 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,359 {\an8}and they sit me down, and they tell me that 161 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,680 {\an8}a policeman had just been around to their house. 162 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,639 And told me that my dad was found dead. 163 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:49,960 Uh, um. 164 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,520 The look on that boy's face that day will never leave me. 165 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,120 Will never leave me. 166 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,400 My mind raced a thousand paces, 167 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,040 trying to cope with what they were telling me, 168 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:13,200 and my lungs felt like they were on fire. 169 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,359 And I was trying so hard to breathe at the time. 170 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:20,360 But... 171 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,200 air just wasn't filling my lungs. 172 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:25,920 And, 173 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,320 I just went to bed. 174 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,320 I just laid there for hours. 175 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,559 Still, to this day, 176 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:41,080 it's a struggle to believe what had happened. 177 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,960 And I think I just cried myself to sleep. 178 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:12,719 As soon as we published the article, 179 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,359 That then provokes a lot of response from the community. 180 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,719 So we're getting comments on Facebook. 181 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,199 Some people are sending us in pictures, 182 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,079 and that's when we start trying to be able 183 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,720 to piece together what's actually happened. 184 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,719 Having established who the victim is, 185 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,639 Stuart, on this particular occasion, 186 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,159 the important thing is to try and find out 187 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,559 who's killed him and why would they want him dead? 188 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,919 An incident room would be stood up 189 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,240 and then start allocating roles out to individuals. 190 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,159 There'll be teams to do CCTV, 191 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:50,999 there'll be teams to do interviews 192 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,280 of any suspects that are identified. 193 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,440 Have you got a suspect in mind? 194 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,719 There's a number of what we call hypotheses 195 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,199 that we're thinking about. 196 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,040 Was this a burglary that's gone wrong? 197 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,880 Was this a domestic incident involving a partner? 198 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,999 Was it drug related harm? 199 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,679 Was it a pub fight that Stuart's gone back, 200 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:15,759 and it's escalated into some sort of violent struggle? 201 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,719 And on this particular occasion, 202 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,679 we know that the scene wasn't broken into. 203 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:22,759 The police had to actually force entry themselves. 204 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,080 So that can dismiss the burglary theory. 205 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,039 Family liaison officers are really important because 206 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,799 they'll be fed into the family of the deceased 207 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,319 to provide information for them 208 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,639 and update them as to the way the investigation is going, 209 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,759 but also establish as much information as you can 210 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:41,760 about your victim. 211 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,680 I met Stuart at the start of 1996. 212 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,799 I was going out one day with a very dear friend of mine, 213 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,479 and on my way to hers I had to pass the shops 214 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:00,919 and I saw this bloke, 215 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,519 and I was like, oh, he's nice. 216 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,000 And I just popped into my head, I'm gonna marry that man. 217 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,159 So I've gone into the shop, got what I've needed to, 218 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,719 gone down to my friends, 219 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,920 in walks this man, and I'm thinking, oh my God. 220 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:15,639 So I looked at my friend and I said, 221 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:16,639 "how do you know him?" 222 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,359 She said, "he's my brother-in-law." 223 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,239 So yes, that's how I met him. 224 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,599 Um, saw him a few times that week. 225 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,079 The following week he came back to mine for a drink 226 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:26,960 and he never left. 227 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,759 It was just chemistry. 228 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,199 There was just something there, 229 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,000 but I couldn't tell you what it was. 230 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:42,440 Stuart and I married at Andover Registry Office in July of 97. 231 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:44,839 Stuart's mum was there. 232 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,719 His father was there. 233 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,560 It was a lovely day, Stuart and I thoroughly enjoyed it. 234 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,800 When Joseph was born, that was when my life changed. 235 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,639 Stuart walked into the room 236 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,720 and there was the nurses with this little boy. 237 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,599 He was so proud, he was a very proud, dad. 238 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,160 Very proud, he'd got his boy. 239 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,800 He wanted to show him off to everyone. 240 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,919 He really did. 241 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,359 I was a very naughty child, 242 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,680 and I was always bouncing off the walls with energy. 243 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,560 It was very hard to look after at times. 244 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,319 I was always happy when dad was around. 245 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,599 A lot of my time spent with him 246 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,759 was watching Star Trek on the TV 247 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,760 while I just cuddled with him, really. 248 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,599 Joseph was about six and a half years old 249 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,799 when Stuart and I separated. 250 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:48,959 There had been a lot of things. 251 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,159 Stuart had lost his job 252 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,479 and life just wasn't very happy that time. 253 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,520 And we were really struggling money wise. 254 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:01,919 As time's gone on and Stuart's drinking's got more and more, 255 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,999 I just thought, I can't cope with this anymore. 256 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,279 So I asked Stuart to leave. 257 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:07,639 We were still friends. 258 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,519 He was still coming over to see Joseph, 259 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,199 and that's how it stayed. 260 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,799 And then a few years ago, 261 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,199 he'd asked me if I would stay as his next of kin, 262 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,479 and everything. 263 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:18,720 We was close. 264 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,559 The pathology report established 265 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,639 that Stuart died as a result of multiple stab wound injuries. 266 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,839 In fact, he had 26 in total. 267 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,679 The fatal injury was subjected by a seven-inch knife 268 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,120 to the summit of the jugular. 269 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,840 Which, for me, indicates this was a frenzied attack. 270 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,599 And it was estimated that Stuart's life ended 271 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,400 in the early hours of the 23rd of June, 272 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,799 five days before his body was discovered. 273 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,879 To find out he'd been stabbed so many times, 274 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,119 and it'd be so brutal, was very shocking. 275 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,759 What happens in that situation 276 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,119 is that the community will very often end up panicked 277 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,239 about whether or not there's a madman on the loose. 278 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,279 It's a small town, quite rightly. 279 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,000 The public start to get worried. 280 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,280 Are they in danger? 281 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:34,599 What's really important, though, 282 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,039 is there are potentially witnesses 283 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,400 and potentially a perpetrator living within that block. 284 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,319 And so the police would carefully be going door-to-door 285 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,799 to see if they've seen or heard anything unusual or suspicious. 286 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,559 I met Stuart Crocker 287 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,480 when he moved in next door to me. 288 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,240 {\an8}I've maybe known him about 8 or 9 months, maybe a year. 289 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,839 He just seemed like a bit of a vulnerable bloke. 290 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,319 He was really kind, really nice. 291 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,000 We used to stand and have a cigarette together. 292 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,719 My first interaction with Stuart 293 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,279 was when he was moving in. 294 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,319 Stuart was similar to me really in a way. 295 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,319 {\an8}Lived on his own, didn't bother anybody. 296 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,799 {\an8}He was quite friendly, open, 297 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,519 and just seemed like a little gem, really, 298 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,359 a genuine guy. 299 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:27,239 So it must have been a couple of months before Stuart died, 300 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,879 and he mentioned to me that he had a new girlfriend 301 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,399 and that there was this kind of 302 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,360 young blonde lady staying with him. 303 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,720 We were introduced to Winter Swan-Miller. 304 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,919 I think it was outside of Stuart's flat. 305 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,359 She seemed friendly. 306 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:48,199 She was quite happy to chat to me. 307 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,639 Told us that she'd moved in 308 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,519 and that she was staying with Stuart. 309 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,319 Introduced us to the dog, 310 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,959 scrappy little Pomeranian thing. 311 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,079 Stuart seemed to fall in love with her, 312 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,000 which seemed to change Stuart somewhat. 313 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,479 I mean, they used to sit in the communal garden together 314 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,919 and sunbathe and have a bit of music going 315 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,000 and sort of have a drink and a bit of a social time, really. 316 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,600 I did find that Stuart had an issue with drink in the past, 317 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,279 which seemed to be coming back and haunting him somewhat. 318 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:24,919 {\an8}At one point, I think Winter 319 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,679 {\an8}was trying to be like a model. 320 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,840 I know she had an OnlyFans at one point. 321 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,560 {\an8}She's a big into TikTok, wants to be a content creator, 322 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,159 and it was quite interesting seeing 323 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,679 because quite a few of the videos on her channel 324 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,240 were filmed in Stuart's. 325 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,559 {\an8}She was obviously very good at projecting this appearance of 326 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,200 I am this person, I am that person. 327 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:51,479 I think she thought she was going to be this big 328 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,040 kind of social media sensation. 329 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,159 The police needed to talk to her 330 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,199 because, you know, she might have been at risk. 331 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,359 She could be a victim. 332 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:01,799 But equally, 333 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,399 she may have been the last person to see Stuart alive. 334 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,799 She may have been an important witness. 335 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,279 {\an8}Detectives will be looking for CCTV 336 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,959 that covered the entrance to the flat, 337 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,719 and on both sides of the road, 338 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,479 to see if they can find any evidence 339 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,039 that Swan-Miller has been taken against her will. 340 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,559 They are concerned for her safety. 341 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,560 There is no trace of her at this stage. 342 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,999 Swan-Miller's phone was located at the address, 343 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,039 which in itself could be problematic 344 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,679 because that shows that the phone is no longer with her. 345 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,719 Ordinarily, the police would be using that phone 346 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,159 to try and track where she would be. 347 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,040 So on this occasion, it didn't yield that potential. 348 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,680 Yep, sit down, I'm going to sit, yeah. 349 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,119 My name is Russell Dadds. 350 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:52,279 I'm 58 years of age. 351 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:53,720 I'm a friend of Stuart Crocker. 352 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:03,439 I joined the Army at 16, um, Junior Service. 353 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:08,199 {\an8}I was posted to Berlin in 1984, 354 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,439 where I joined Stuart Crocker in the Royal Hampshire Regiment, 355 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,960 serving under the, obviously, the British Armed Forces. 356 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,160 And that's where we first met. 357 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,719 Obviously, Berlin was right on the threshold 358 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,799 of the, uh, the Eastern Bloc. 359 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,839 There were still bullet holes in walls. 360 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,319 There were still ruins. 361 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,199 There were people queuing for food. 362 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,520 So it was very different times. 363 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,919 {\an8}Working with Stuart was, um, 364 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,799 {\an8}I would say always fun 365 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,719 {\an8}and interesting, shall we say? 366 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,919 Uh, Stuart did like to have a drink, 367 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,959 and I suppose in them days in the Army, um, 368 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,919 drinking was very acceptable. 369 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,119 Um, it's what everybody did, 370 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:56,279 um, especially with the cheap prices that you encountered 371 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,480 when you were serving abroad. 372 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:03,239 I found Stuart to be sometimes mischievous, 373 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,800 always with an opinion. 374 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,839 And I think he was quite a strong character, 375 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,720 I think would be the way to describe him. 376 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,279 The Royal Hampshire Regiment, 377 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,719 they were then sent on a tour 378 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,319 in Northern Ireland in south Armagh. 379 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,879 This was known as um Bandit Country 380 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,280 and the IRA were very prominent. 381 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,920 It was during this time that, um, 382 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,959 one of, one of Stuart's closest friends, 383 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,039 um, was unexpectedly and suddenly 384 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,319 killed by a bomb. 385 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,240 Stuart was in the vicinity 386 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,120 when his best friend was killed. 387 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,320 He was funeral bearer, 388 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,039 and I know that Stuart was gravely affected by this, 389 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,279 and it left him with some, some troubles. 390 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,999 That has to have some long-lasting effects 391 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,639 with regards to Stuart, his drinking, 392 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,480 and it's, just his general outlook on life. 393 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:14,479 In the early days in the Army, 394 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,680 you didn't talk about things like PTSD. 395 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,680 But again, that's another very sad story. 396 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,519 I left the Royal Hampshires in July 1988 397 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,400 and Stuart left several years after me. 398 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,639 Stuart's army friends, unfortunately, through himself, 399 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,120 he lost touch with them. 400 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,640 Probably fast-forward another 20 years, almost. 401 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,959 I did bump into Stuart again, 402 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,639 typically outside of a pub as it was with Stuart, 403 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,800 and I'd got him round my home a couple of times. 404 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,559 I'd got him happy and talking about, 405 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,039 and talking to Army friends. 406 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,519 I see his face light up. 407 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,920 I had hope for him. 408 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,120 We promised to stay in touch. 409 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,599 About 2023, 410 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,039 I had heard from people that he was being bullied. 411 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,840 This was all going on with what we call Cuckooing. 412 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,159 Cuckooing is when drug dealers 413 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,559 effectively use and abuse a vulnerable person's property 414 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,439 as their hub for distribution. 415 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,159 They will very often give free samples, as it were, 416 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,999 to the householder, 417 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,119 as a way of ensnaring them in the whole system. 418 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:41,600 People who have been cuckooed tend to get very badly used. 419 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,959 That was the case with Stuart. 420 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,480 Sadly, nothing more was done. 421 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,040 I went round to see him. 422 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,599 I see an unkempt man. 423 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,159 He's now overweight. 424 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,239 He's now got the telltale signs of alcohol, overindulgence, 425 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,560 and he was in a bad way. 426 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,719 He wasn't always like that. 427 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,679 He would go through times when he got himself together, 428 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,999 but as soon as the people realised that he was lonely 429 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,319 and needed friendship, 430 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,120 that's when he was targeted. 431 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,799 I did have words with people. 432 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,560 I did tell people to leave him alone. 433 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,359 Sadly, Stuart's personality had changed so much, 434 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:24,720 he would probably do anything to try and please anyone. 435 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,359 He was allowing people 436 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,040 that were dealers to come into his house. 437 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,599 He would pass over his bank card. 438 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,839 They would go and take his money out, 439 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,199 and they'd spend his money. 440 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,639 They had introduced him to drugs, 441 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,080 and then he got, surprisingly, he liked it. 442 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,079 I did throw them out of his house once, 443 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,680 and I did talk to the police. 444 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,759 So he was moved to another flat. 445 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,960 But these people knew where he'd moved to. 446 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,559 And so it was just a case of, 447 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,559 well, he's in a different address, 448 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,000 but we can still do the same stuff. 449 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,279 They'd cuckooed him again, 450 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,199 and that's how he was introduced to Swan-Miller, 451 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,359 and his alcohol dependency had got so great 452 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:12,560 she was withholding 453 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:14,920 the alcohol. 454 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,239 She had his bank cards, everything. 455 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,799 And what do you do if you don't get your fix? 456 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,080 You'll find an alternative. 457 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,920 And that's how Stuart got on the drugs. 458 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:31,720 Going forward to June, 2023, 459 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,879 I hadn't seen Stuart for a few weeks, 460 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,759 and I had heard through Joseph 461 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,399 that he'd lost a lot of weight and everything else. 462 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,319 Then I saw Stuart with Swan-Miller, 463 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,440 a blonde peroxide bimbo 464 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,040 with a lot of makeup on. 465 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,800 I just looked at him and was like, 466 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,039 I'm not saying anything. 467 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,640 A day that I remember well, 468 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,880 Joseph got this call. 469 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,519 Stuart had rung up and asked for £50, 470 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,280 something to do with her dog and drugs. 471 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,839 He had told me that he needed this money 472 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,840 for some drug dealers that were 473 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,919 from London. 474 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,360 They were threatening to come down and beat him up. 475 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,200 I didn't have any money to give them. 476 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,920 If I had, then I would have. 477 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:37,840 He sounded saddened 478 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,680 and he said, I understand. 479 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,240 She came on the phone, Swan-Miller. 480 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,759 please, please, please, my dog's going to be killed, 481 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,120 or we're going to be killed. 482 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,519 [gentle music[ 483 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,120 And that was the last I ever heard from him. 484 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,999 I feel regret for it being the last time 485 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,320 we ever had a conversation and how that conversation ended. 486 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,440 I wish it could have ended in better circumstances. 487 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,959 {\an8}Apart from what we might call traditional forensics, 488 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,639 {\an8}DNA, etc. 489 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,320 There is also digital forensics. 490 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,959 So what we would tend to do 491 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,599 is we would have some keyword searching on social media, 492 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,759 so it would pick up anything at all 493 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,520 that may yield some intelligence. 494 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,360 And that immediately 495 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,799 got them thinking. 496 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,279 Could they trace Swan-Miller 497 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,559 through her social media platforms? 498 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,880 Could they find out where she was posting? 499 00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,559 We know Swan-Miller was using TikTok. 500 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,319 If she's logging into her social media accounts, 501 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,640 then potentially we could get some alerts in relation to that. 502 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,919 What surface very publicly on her TikTok profile 503 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,359 was a recently made video 504 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:14,800 that really stood out and immediately got our attention. 505 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,319 {\an8}I'm going to be taking a break from TikTok for a bit, 506 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,440 {\an8}I think because 507 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,519 {\an8}I've been a bad girl. 508 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,520 {\an8}I 509 00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,800 {\an8}had to do what I did because, 510 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,120 {\an8}Of my 511 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,799 {\an8}situation. 512 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,199 {\an8}We were all quite shocked at that point 513 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,079 {\an8}that it appeared that she had given some sort of confession 514 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,999 to her link to Perhaps what had happened to Mr. Crocker. 515 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,000 She was boasting that she had been a naughty girl, 516 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,640 and that she didn't believe she had done any wrong. 517 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,840 {\an8}I can only explain 518 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,800 {\an8}when the time comes. 519 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:14,600 {\an8}But 520 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,280 {\an8}I 521 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,480 {\an8}had to do what I did because, 522 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,720 {\an8}of my 523 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,160 situation. 524 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,799 Absolutely everybody had a copy of it on their phone. 525 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,320 Everybody was showing me. 526 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,079 There was a police officer out the front of Stuart's flat, 527 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,079 so I've shown them and told them, you know, 528 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,240 are you aware of this? 529 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,799 {\an8}You probably won't want to speak to me 530 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,279 {\an8}when you find out anyway, 531 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,279 {\an8}but there's more to the story than just one side. 532 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,879 It was just quite disturbing. 533 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,840 She seemed so... 534 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,799 almost proud of what she'd done. 535 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,159 {\an8}Almost kind of like this was a Big Brother interview 536 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,279 {\an8}or some other reality TV show. 537 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,800 Not that she'd done what she'd done and... 538 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,119 was, she just seemed proud of herself, 539 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,239 which makes you feel a bit sick, to be honest. 540 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,559 And I basically decided 541 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,439 I was not going to be downloading TikTok 542 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,599 because I just didn't want to see it repeatedly. 543 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,879 It didn't seem like it was a sane person 544 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,199 that would, that would do that. 545 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,039 We want to get hold of her as quickly as possible, 546 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,159 not only to make sure that she's in custody, 547 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,519 but also to capture any forensic evidence 548 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,519 that may be on her, that may link her to, 549 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,560 to the murder of Stuart. 550 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,600 Does she own a vehicle? 551 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,199 If there is, we may put what's called a flag on ANPR, 552 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,959 the automated number plate recognition system, 553 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,760 which are cameras strategically placed on road networks. 554 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,880 Do we know where she banks? 555 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,239 Are there particular shops that she goes to on a regular basis 556 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,760 to get cigarettes, alcohol, foodstuff? 557 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,599 All this information can be really, really useful 558 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,640 when you're trying to plan an arrest of a suspect. 559 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,080 There is a misconception when it comes to CCTV. 560 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,879 {\an8}There is no central database. 561 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,239 {\an8}There is no easy way of just plugging in 562 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,319 and downloading CCTV from around the city. 563 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,400 It is time-consuming and can be very frustrating. 564 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,879 Where has she gone? 565 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,440 Is there any record of her moving around Andover? 566 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,640 Has she left Andover? 567 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,680 What CCTV can we find? 568 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,480 Where is Swan-Miller? 569 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,359 We were wanting to find out as much as we could 570 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,040 about Winter Swan-Miller and Mr. Crocker. 571 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,120 We know this is going to be a significant thing going forward. 572 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,199 We were looking for any other signs 573 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,799 that could build a picture for us 574 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,199 about who they were, 575 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,319 and perhaps what their relationship would have been. 576 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,119 Stuart and Swan-Miller's relationship. 577 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:22,960 {\an8}Tempestuous, 578 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,640 {\an8}sometimes very volatile. 579 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,959 One day, her dog disappeared. 580 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,120 She blamed Stuart for that. 581 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,999 All hell broke loose. 582 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,799 She was out effing and blinding and shouting in the street 583 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,200 and got my dog and all this lot. 584 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,159 But she was just one crazy, crazy lady. 585 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,279 {\an8}We know that alcohol and drug use were present 586 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,599 {\an8}in the relationship between Stuart Crocker and Swan-Miller. 587 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,439 This is quite important to note 588 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,559 because the presence of mind-altering substances 589 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,159 can really shape how a relationship develops 590 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,719 because what it can do 591 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,279 is intensify the emotional bonds that people are experiencing, 592 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,839 but also it can create a breeding ground for conflict 593 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,959 because when people are under the influence of substances, 594 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,719 their inhibitions reduce, 595 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,639 their ability to make decisions becomes impaired, 596 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,439 but also their impulse control reduces. 597 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,679 I have heard an argument 598 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,920 approximately five days prior to 599 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,079 Stuart dying, 600 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,320 but from then onwards, complete silence, really. 601 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,239 The police had a breakthrough 602 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,799 when they noticed an image 603 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,079 that appeared to be Winter Swan-Miller 604 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,319 walking towards Andover railway station 605 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,919 in company with her dog, 606 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,840 but she also had some luggage with her, 607 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,600 indicating she was leaving the area. 608 00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,039 Whilst the CCTV at the railway station was a breakthrough, 609 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,519 it just opened up even greater avenues of investigation. 610 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,719 She's kind of disappeared in a puff of smoke 611 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:12,079 from Andover Station. 612 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,279 So at this point we knew that Winter Swan-Miller 613 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,719 was on the run. 614 00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:17,319 You know, police couldn't find her. 615 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,999 Swan-Miller was known to the local police. 616 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,799 They were documented incidents of violence on her part. 617 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,079 Additionally, even though she was never charged, 618 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,879 previously, police had recovered knives 619 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,000 and a sword from one of her prior addresses. 620 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,519 Had she gone north, up to London, 621 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,079 then she would have arrived at Waterloo 622 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:42,519 and disappeared into the myriad of platforms on the underground. 623 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,600 Did she go out, get a taxi? 624 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,519 Who knows? 625 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,319 We suspect that she's murdered one person already 626 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,119 in a very vicious attack. 627 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,880 Could she do that again to somebody else? 628 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,599 With any cases of serious crime 629 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,999 that's happened in our community, 630 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,160 as a journalist, what drives us is to get to the truth. 631 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,999 However, with this case, 632 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,960 there was a lot of unanswered questions. 633 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,599 So we start watching these videos 634 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,199 {\an8}on Winter Swan-Millers TikTok account. 635 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,479 {\an8}Well, I'm sweating. 636 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,279 {\an8}I am doing the housework. 637 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,279 {\an8}I'm winning. 638 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,919 {\an8}Yes! Get in. 639 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:27,999 {\an8}She's miming. 640 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,279 {\an8}She's singing along. 641 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,479 And then the next moment, you've got videos of her 642 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,679 posting about this fluffy white dog 643 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,639 {\an8}who's called Oblivion. 644 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,359 Libby, say hello. 645 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,479 {\an8}Whoo! 646 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,039 She absolutely dotes on this dog. 647 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,240 She loves this dog. 648 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,879 {\an8}You can see how people start following her. 649 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,159 {\an8}You might click on her, see what she's doing now, 650 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,679 {\an8}see what crazy stuff she's up to today. 651 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,239 {\an8}Well, I've just been banned again, 652 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,079 {\an8}apparently for nudity. 653 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,159 {\an8}When I was just wearing this outfit, 654 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,799 {\an8}there was no nudity. 655 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,560 {\an8}It's a jar. 656 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,079 She's probably been doing lives on there, 657 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,679 which can attract a bit of money. 658 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,119 But then, is she going on to other platforms? 659 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,880 Is there an OnlyFans account? 660 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,159 {\an8}There's a lot more explicit sites, 661 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,679 {\an8}shall we say? 662 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,319 {\an8}Okay, where people then can manage their, their viewings, 663 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,519 their accounts, they can gain media traction, 664 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,119 {\an8}they can earn money from this. 665 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,919 {\an8}They can have people that will want private viewings 666 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,759 {\an8}of what they're showing. 667 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,959 We know that she kind of existed in two worlds. 668 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,640 She had the offline world and the online world. 669 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,559 Her offline world was characterised by instability, 670 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,559 not only in terms of emotions and mental health, 671 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,719 but also living situations, 672 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:45,920 relationship dynamics, and breakdowns. 673 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,759 {\an8}For people who have relationship difficulties in real life, 674 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,679 {\an8}the online world can give them a sense of escape 675 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,399 {\an8}because they have much more control 676 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,879 {\an8}around the relationships. 677 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,519 {\an8}While they may not be as deep and meaningful, 678 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,999 {\an8}they're still rewarding 679 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,199 because the social media world is fuelled 680 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,639 by likes, comments and engagements, 681 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,239 which kind of activates our dopamine system, 682 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:09,559 our reward system, 683 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,279 and can be incredibly addictive. 684 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,760 I had a look at the TikToks. 685 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,440 All of them. 686 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,919 She is very provocative in some of them. 687 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,799 Well, she's provocative in most of them, 688 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,320 doing all these little dances in just her underwear. 689 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,160 Always with makeup, always with makeup on. 690 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,799 The last time I was to see Stuart, 691 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,640 it was a Saturday. 692 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,479 I was in the town centre. 693 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:50,559 He looked happy. 694 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,119 He was so pleased to see me. 695 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,599 We sat and talked for a bit 696 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,159 and I said, "oh, I must get your number." 697 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,760 He said, "oh, she's got my phone." 698 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,919 And I said, "who? Who's she?" 699 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,319 "My girlfriend." 700 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,320 And I said, "well, where is she?" 701 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,719 So I looked over, and she was in the charity shop in Andover. 702 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,519 I said, "I'll go and get the number 703 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,960 so we can stay in touch now." 704 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:13,959 And he said, "yeah, yeah." 705 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:19,319 I went into the charity shop, and I saw Swan-Miller. 706 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,359 She was, um, 707 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,319 half dressed, if you like, 708 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,879 Is the best way to put it. 709 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,639 She was trying to hide a pair of shoes that she was stealing 710 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:28,959 out the charity shop, 711 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,680 and I thought, God, you know, that's pretty low. 712 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,559 She came and said, "oh, we've got to go." 713 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:35,799 She sort of grabbed his arm, 714 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,840 and she was trying to guide him away from me. 715 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,639 I just thought to myself, 716 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,720 why would this 30 something year woman 717 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,519 wants to be Stuart's girlfriend? 718 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,799 No disrespect to Stuart, 719 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,719 but he wasn't in the best of health, 720 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,119 both mentally and physically. 721 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,799 But I was told subsequently, there have been a few occasions 722 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,479 when Stuart realised that certain points in his clarity 723 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,840 that he was being used. 724 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,119 I know that he had asked Winter Miller to leave 725 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,999 on a few occasions. 726 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,519 I know that Stuart was getting tired from all accounts 727 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,919 of her behaviour, of her outbursts. 728 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,200 That's what I believe was the final straw. 729 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,999 Two weeks later, Stuart would be dead. 730 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,680 Following the search of the scene of the crime, 731 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,079 {\an8}it was noted that Stuart's bank cards were missing. 732 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,319 If a card is used, 733 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,959 the bank very quickly can pass that information 734 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,759 to the single point of contact, 735 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,240 who would feed it back into the detectives. 736 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,359 The bank informed the detectives 737 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,239 that Stuart's card had been used in Walsall, 738 00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:00,680 in the West Midlands. 739 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:05,239 The bank were able to provide a photograph from the ATM 740 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:07,239 of the person who had used the card. 741 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,199 The image from the ATM showed a white Caucasian, 742 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,039 middle-aged man, thinning on top. 743 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,200 Certainly, not Swan-Miller. 744 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,600 It was a bit of a curveball. 745 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,599 Who was this person? 746 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,639 Could they identify him? 747 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,440 And if they could, would that lead them to Swan-Miller? 748 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,880 Focus was now on Walsall. 749 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,199 What we need to do now is try and establish any CCTV 750 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,159 around that ATM that might help identify who is using that card 751 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,240 at that particular time. 752 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,919 Using a protocol, 753 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,759 they asked West Midlands Police 754 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,200 to issue that photograph at daily briefings. 755 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,039 The morning briefings are for patrolling officers 756 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,519 for safer neighbourhood teams, 757 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,479 people who are on the ground 758 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,680 and who might be able to identify this mystery person. 759 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,759 The investigating detectives had identified 760 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,519 that there was a drug link. 761 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,639 Was this man known as a drug user, 762 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,919 and was Swan-Miller with him? 763 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,839 {\an8}The bank reported a second usage of Stuart's card 764 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,720 in the Aldridge area in Walsall. 765 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,199 {\an8}A second usage of the card in the same area 766 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,359 {\an8}indicated to the police 767 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,800 {\an8}that whoever was using it lived locally. 768 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,919 {\an8}They were not on the run. 769 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,000 {\an8}They were not travelling all over the country. 770 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,279 The investigation team needs to move fast. 771 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,879 So, having identified this pattern of usage, 772 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,560 Hampshire officers were deployed. 773 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,239 They started staking out the two garages 774 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,880 where money had been withdrawn from the cash machine. 775 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,280 They have an observation post. 776 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,519 They are sat in vehicles, watching and waiting, 777 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,039 and as soon as that card is used, 778 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,559 they would then pounce on the individual 779 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,720 in possession of that card. 780 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,119 At the same time, 781 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,719 detectives will have been trying to triangulate Swan-Miller. 782 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,760 They would have been looking at her social media platforms. 783 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,919 Was she logging in from IP addresses 784 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,279 that resolved to an address, 785 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,760 or different addresses in that area? 786 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,279 The SIO has this dilemma. 787 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,319 Do they use the opportunity 788 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,359 to seize the card at the next transaction 789 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,199 so that they can then identify who that individual is? 790 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,599 Or do they let it run a little bit longer? 791 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,039 And the advantage of letting it run a little bit longer 792 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,559 is that it helps you build up a bit more of a picture 793 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,919 as to where that card is being used, 794 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,879 so that ultimately you can identify where 795 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,080 Winter Swan-Miller is. 796 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,720 However, the police decide to take action 797 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,000 and pounce on the next withdrawal. 798 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,279 {\an8}I think what they were 799 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,799 {\an8}probably expecting was to find the male that they've seen 800 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,359 on the ATM before. 801 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,599 But to their surprise, they actually saw both individuals 802 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,160 turning up with the card. 803 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,239 And they immediately jumped on them and arrested them 804 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:41,680 on suspicion of Stuart's murder. 805 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,439 So now that these two are in custody, 806 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,040 a search was conducted at the male's home address. 807 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,879 And what the police found in that address 808 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,639 were belongings of Winter Swan-Miller. 809 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,279 Those belongings included clothing, 810 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,040 They included notes, but also her dog, Oblivion. 811 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,799 There was a phone belonging to the male himself, 812 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,079 which had been used by Winter Swan-Miller 813 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,119 to upload some of her videos 814 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,160 and some of her social media posts. 815 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,239 Finally, the police get their person. 816 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:25,919 Winter Swan-Miller has been arrested, 817 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,999 having been on the run for a few days, 818 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,359 and hopefully the risk of harming anyone else 819 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,479 has subsided. 820 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,560 But the law has to take its course, 821 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,759 and to get justice for Stuart, 822 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,920 police must unravel what's happened. 823 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,560 Who was this man Swan-Miller had been with? 824 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,280 Did he have anything to do with Stuart's death? 825 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,919 Was Swan-Miller the killer? 826 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,519 So far, Swan-Miller has only been caught 827 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,159 with a stolen cash card 828 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,959 and made some suggestive comments on TikTok. 829 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,439 You could argue that she was stoned out of her head 830 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,239 when she made those social media. 831 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:13,240 So, that's not evidence in itself. 832 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,439 She may have a very strong defence. 833 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,759 She could plead insanity or even get acquitted. 834 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,240 {\an8}I just hope that it all goes well, really. 65220

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