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Me and my partner
decided to take a little break
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and have a couple of days away.
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{\an8}On going downstairs, there was
a horrible smell in the lobby.
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{\an8}I said to my partner,
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{\an8}"oh, it smells like
somebody's died here."
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{\an8}So I backtracked out the door
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and I looked through
the window.
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I've noticed what looked
like a pair of shoes
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which was down by the sofa.
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Then it registered to me
that they were actually
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on somebody's feet.
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Emergency,
which service?
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Hi, um,
I'm just phoning cos
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I think there's somebody
on the floor in his flat.
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I don't know whether
he's breathing or not,
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and I'm not sure
whether anything
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untoward's has happened to him.
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Andover's
a small town.
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It's not usual
for serious crime
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to be taking place.
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And it's certainly not usual
for a murder to happen here.
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Are other people now in danger?
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There was this young
blonde lady staying with him.
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Seemed to fall
in love with her.
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{\an8}She was trying to be
like a model.
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{\an8}She's big into TikTok.
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To me, there was
something different about her.
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They are concerned
for her safety.
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There is no trace
of her at this stage.
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She may have been the
last person to see him alive.
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She may have been an important
witness.
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Where is she?
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Andover is very close to
the South Downs National Park.
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And then we're very lucky
to have really historic little
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villages and towns that are
peppered across Hampshire.
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Andover is largely
a military town.
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It's the home
of the British Army.
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Sadly, a lot of veterans
do have a lot of issues,
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especially when they come out,
and they're on civvy street.
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The rates of people
with mental health issues
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or with drug or alcohol
dependencies is higher
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for these people who've
had these bad experiences
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within the military.
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I'm just gonna keep
that underneath.
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It's the story
of what happened.
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All right.
Just prompt me.
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Kim investigates.
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Take one.
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I'm the regional editor for
a group of regional newspapers,
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{\an8}one of which is the
Andover Advertiser.
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The Andover Advertiser
is a local newspaper
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reporting on all manner
of issues in the community.
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Charity sales,
school fundraisers,
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stories of human interest.
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We cover a vast spectrum.
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Andover is a small town.
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It's not usual for serious crime
to be taking place.
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It happens maybe once a year
if you're unlucky.
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Round about midday,
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{\an8}the ambulance service
received a 999 call
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{\an8}from a resident
of a block of flats
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on the outskirts of Andover.
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The ambulance service notified
the police and so the police,
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with the assistance
of the fire service,
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broke into
that ground floor flat.
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They found the body
of a white male
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{\an8}covered in a sheet or a blanket,
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{\an8}with a pillowcase over his head.
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It was a very messy scene.
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There was a lot of blood.
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He'd been stabbed.
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Slightly strange,
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there was a fan in the corner
which was on,
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and playing sort of,
across the body.
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There was a theory
that the fan had been put on
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to keep the body cool,
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or reduce the length of time it
was going to take to decompose.
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But there were also some
scrunched up handwritten notes
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scattered around the flat.
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And are clearly left there for
somebody to find and to read.
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And they would have been seized
because they would yield
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fingerprint evidence,
potentially some DNA evidence.
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And also down the line,
maybe some handwriting evidence
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that may be essential.
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Other police officers
will be drafted in
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to make sure that it's,
it's guarded
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while it continues to be a scene
of ongoing investigation.
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The crime scene investigators
will start looking for evidence
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that's actually clues.
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Are there any mobile phones
that are hidden in the drawers?
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Or are there any computers
in there?
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Any electrical devices that
might assist the investigation?
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Forensic examiners are in
there spending hours
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looking for any evidence
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that will yield
any forensic potential,
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whether that's fingerprints,
hair, DNA, blood samples.
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and then photographers, they'll
be photographing things in situ
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of the scene.
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Wednesday's for us as a weekly
newspaper are really busy.
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Most of our titles print
on a Thursday,
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so we're really up
against a lot of deadlines.
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And we had a few calls come
in to the Andover news desk
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saying that they'd been past
this block of flats,
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and there seemed to be a lot
of activity there.
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What's going on?
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So after that phone call,
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I immediately messaged Jemma,
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who, at that point,
was our senior journalist.
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{\an8}So when I arrive, immediately
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{\an8}there's a load of police
in the car park.
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There's 4 or 5 vehicles.
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Forensics were going in and out,
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so immediately we know
something's happened,
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it's probably likely going
to be quite a big story
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that we're going
to want to follow.
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She sent the photographs back.
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You can see all the police cars
parked in the car park there
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and there's a tent,
and that's a sure fire sign
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that something really
serious has happened here.
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So blood was clearly
surrounding the deceased
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on the floor at the apartment.
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And it was decided that a blood
spatter analysis scientist
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would be called to the scene.
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And they're used to show
where the attack took place.
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Did it happen whilst the person
was lying down on the floor,
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or was this some kind of fight
within the living room itself
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with their movement around?
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Are there any handprints
or fingerprints in blood as well
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that might assist
to show kind of what happened
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on that particular day?
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The body is then removed
to the mortuary,
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and on this occasion
it would have been taken
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to Winchester County Hospital,
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where a forensic mortuary is,
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and so a post-mortem
would be conducted.
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The victim was identified
as Stuart Crocker,
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a 62-year-old male
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who was an Army veteran
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and had lived
in Andover most of his life
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since leaving the Army.
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We'd heard that a man called
Stuart had been murdered.
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Then the police
confirm his details.
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He was actually grandfather,
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a father.
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What could possibly have led
to this incident?
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We'd all gone out
for dinner in St Marybourne.
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Had Alicia with me as well.
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Alicia is my daughter
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{\an8}got back to the house and there
is these two WPCs sat there,
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and I've looked at her,
and I've said, "it's Stuart,"
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and she's looked at me
and she said,
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"shall we just go inside
and talk?"
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They told us that Stuart had
been found under circumstances,
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where they said
it could be murder.
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And I just came out of the house
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straight into the car
and went over to see Joseph.
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There's a
knock at the door
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and I opened the door,
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and there's my mum and Alicia,
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{\an8}and they sit me down,
and they tell me that
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{\an8}a policeman had just been around
to their house.
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And told me
that my dad was found dead.
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Uh, um.
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The look on that boy's face
that day will never leave me.
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Will never leave me.
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My mind raced
a thousand paces,
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trying to cope
with what they were telling me,
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and my lungs felt like
they were on fire.
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And I was trying
so hard to breathe at the time.
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But...
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air just wasn't filling
my lungs.
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And,
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I just went to bed.
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I just laid there for hours.
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Still, to this day,
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it's a struggle to believe
what had happened.
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And I think I just cried myself
to sleep.
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As soon as we published
the article,
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That then provokes a lot
of response from the community.
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So we're getting comments
on Facebook.
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Some people are sending us
in pictures,
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and that's when we start
trying to be able
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to piece together what's
actually happened.
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Having established who
the victim is,
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Stuart,
on this particular occasion,
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the important thing is to try
and find out
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who's killed him and why
would they want him dead?
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An incident room
would be stood up
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and then start allocating
roles out to individuals.
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There'll be teams to do CCTV,
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there'll be teams
to do interviews
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of any suspects
that are identified.
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Have you got a suspect in mind?
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There's a number
of what we call hypotheses
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that we're thinking about.
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Was this a burglary
that's gone wrong?
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Was this a domestic incident
involving a partner?
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Was it drug related harm?
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Was it a pub fight
that Stuart's gone back,
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and it's escalated into
some sort of violent struggle?
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And on this particular occasion,
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we know that the scene
wasn't broken into.
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The police had to actually
force entry themselves.
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So that can dismiss
the burglary theory.
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Family liaison officers
are really important because
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they'll be fed into the family
of the deceased
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to provide information for them
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and update them as to the way
the investigation is going,
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but also establish
as much information as you can
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about your victim.
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I met Stuart
at the start of 1996.
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I was going out one day
with a very dear friend of mine,
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and on my way to hers
I had to pass the shops
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and I saw this bloke,
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and I was like, oh, he's nice.
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And I just popped into my head,
I'm gonna marry that man.
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So I've gone into the shop,
got what I've needed to,
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gone down to my friends,
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in walks this man,
and I'm thinking, oh my God.
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So I looked at my friend
and I said,
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"how do you know him?"
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She said,
"he's my brother-in-law."
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So yes, that's how I met him.
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Um, saw him a few times
that week.
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The following week he came back
to mine for a drink
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and he never left.
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It was just chemistry.
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There was just something there,
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but I couldn't tell
you what it was.
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Stuart and I married at Andover
Registry Office in July of 97.
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Stuart's mum was there.
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His father was there.
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It was a lovely day, Stuart
and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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When Joseph was born,
that was when my life changed.
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Stuart walked into the room
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and there was the nurses
with this little boy.
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He was so proud,
he was a very proud, dad.
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Very proud,
he'd got his boy.
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He wanted to show him
off to everyone.
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He really did.
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I was a very naughty child,
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and I was always bouncing
off the walls with energy.
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It was very hard
to look after at times.
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I was always happy
when dad was around.
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A lot of my time spent with him
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was watching Star Trek on the TV
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while I just cuddled with him, really.
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Joseph was about six
and a half years old
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when Stuart and I separated.
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There had been a lot of things.
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Stuart had lost his job
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and life just wasn't very happy
that time.
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And we were really
struggling money wise.
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As time's gone on and Stuart's
drinking's got more and more,
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I just thought,
I can't cope with this anymore.
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So I asked Stuart to leave.
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We were still friends.
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He was still coming
over to see Joseph,
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and that's how it stayed.
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And then a few years ago,
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he'd asked me if I would stay
as his next of kin,
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and everything.
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We was close.
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The pathology
report established
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that Stuart died as a result
of multiple stab wound injuries.
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In fact, he had 26 in total.
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The fatal injury was subjected
by a seven-inch knife
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to the summit of the jugular.
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Which, for me, indicates this
was a frenzied attack.
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And it was estimated
that Stuart's life ended
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in the early hours
of the 23rd of June,
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five days before his body
was discovered.
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To find out he'd been
stabbed so many times,
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and it'd be so brutal,
was very shocking.
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What happens in that
situation
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is that the community
will very often end up panicked
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about whether or not there's
a madman on the loose.
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It's a small town,
quite rightly.
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The public start to get worried.
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Are they in danger?
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What's really important,
though,
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is there are potentially
witnesses
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and potentially a perpetrator
living within that block.
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And so the police would
carefully be going door-to-door
285
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to see if they've seen or heard
anything unusual or suspicious.
286
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I met Stuart Crocker
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when he moved
in next door to me.
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{\an8}I've maybe known him about 8
or 9 months, maybe a year.
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He just seemed like a bit
of a vulnerable bloke.
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He was really kind, really nice.
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We used to stand
and have a cigarette together.
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My first
interaction with Stuart
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was when he was moving in.
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Stuart was similar
to me really in a way.
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{\an8}Lived on his own,
didn't bother anybody.
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{\an8}He was quite friendly, open,
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and just seemed like
a little gem, really,
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a genuine guy.
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So it must have been a couple
of months before Stuart died,
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and he mentioned to me
that he had a new girlfriend
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and that there was this kind of
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young blonde lady staying
with him.
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We were introduced
to Winter Swan-Miller.
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I think it was outside
of Stuart's flat.
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She seemed friendly.
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She was quite happy
to chat to me.
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Told us that she'd moved in
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and that she was staying
with Stuart.
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Introduced us to the dog,
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scrappy little Pomeranian thing.
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Stuart seemed to fall in love
with her,
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which seemed
to change Stuart somewhat.
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I mean, they used to sit
in the communal garden together
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and sunbathe
and have a bit of music going
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and sort of have a drink and
a bit of a social time, really.
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I did find that Stuart had
an issue with drink in the past,
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which seemed to be coming back
and haunting him somewhat.
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{\an8}At one point,
I think Winter
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{\an8}was trying to be like a model.
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I know she had an OnlyFans
at one point.
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00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,560
{\an8}She's a big into TikTok,
wants to be a content creator,
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00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,159
and it was quite
interesting seeing
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00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,679
because quite a few of
the videos on her channel
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were filmed in Stuart's.
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{\an8}She was obviously very good at
projecting this appearance of
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I am this person,
I am that person.
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00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:51,479
I think she thought
she was going to be this big
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kind of social media sensation.
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00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,159
The police needed
to talk to her
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because, you know,
she might have been at risk.
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She could be a victim.
332
00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:01,799
But equally,
333
00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,399
she may have been the last
person to see Stuart alive.
334
00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,799
She may have been
an important witness.
335
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,279
{\an8}Detectives will be looking
for CCTV
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00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,959
that covered the entrance
to the flat,
337
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,719
and on both sides of the road,
338
00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,479
to see if they can find
any evidence
339
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,039
that Swan-Miller has been taken
against her will.
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00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,559
They are concerned
for her safety.
341
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,560
There is no trace
of her at this stage.
342
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,999
Swan-Miller's phone was
located at the address,
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00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,039
which in itself
could be problematic
344
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,679
because that shows that the
phone is no longer with her.
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00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,719
Ordinarily, the police
would be using that phone
346
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,159
to try and track
where she would be.
347
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,040
So on this occasion,
it didn't yield that potential.
348
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,680
Yep, sit down,
I'm going to sit, yeah.
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My name is Russell Dadds.
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00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:52,279
I'm 58 years of age.
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00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:53,720
I'm a friend of Stuart Crocker.
352
00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:03,439
I joined the Army at 16,
um, Junior Service.
353
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:08,199
{\an8}I was posted to Berlin in 1984,
354
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,439
where I joined Stuart Crocker
in the Royal Hampshire Regiment,
355
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,960
serving under the, obviously,
the British Armed Forces.
356
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,160
And that's where we first met.
357
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,719
Obviously, Berlin was right
on the threshold
358
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,799
of the, uh, the Eastern Bloc.
359
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,839
There were still bullet holes
in walls.
360
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,319
There were still ruins.
361
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,199
There were people queuing
for food.
362
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,520
So it was very different times.
363
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,919
{\an8}Working with Stuart was, um,
364
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,799
{\an8}I would say always fun
365
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,719
{\an8}and interesting, shall we say?
366
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,919
Uh, Stuart did like
to have a drink,
367
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,959
and I suppose in them days
in the Army, um,
368
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,919
drinking was very acceptable.
369
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,119
Um, it's what everybody did,
370
00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:56,279
um, especially with the cheap
prices that you encountered
371
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,480
when you were serving abroad.
372
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:03,239
I found Stuart to be
sometimes mischievous,
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00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,800
always with an opinion.
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00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,839
And I think he was quite
a strong character,
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00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,720
I think would be the way
to describe him.
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00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,279
The Royal Hampshire Regiment,
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00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,719
they were then sent on a tour
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00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,319
in Northern Ireland
in south Armagh.
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00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,879
This was known
as um Bandit Country
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00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,280
and the IRA were very prominent.
381
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,920
It was during
this time that, um,
382
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,959
one of, one of Stuart's
closest friends,
383
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,039
um, was unexpectedly
and suddenly
384
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,319
killed by a bomb.
385
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,240
Stuart was in the vicinity
386
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,120
when his best friend was killed.
387
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,320
He was funeral bearer,
388
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,039
and I know that Stuart
was gravely affected by this,
389
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,279
and it left him
with some, some troubles.
390
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,999
That has to have
some long-lasting effects
391
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,639
with regards to Stuart,
his drinking,
392
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,480
and it's, just his general
outlook on life.
393
00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:14,479
In the early days in the Army,
394
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,680
you didn't talk
about things like PTSD.
395
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,680
But again,
that's another very sad story.
396
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,519
I left the Royal Hampshires
in July 1988
397
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,400
and Stuart left several years
after me.
398
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,639
Stuart's army friends,
unfortunately, through himself,
399
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,120
he lost touch with them.
400
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,640
Probably fast-forward
another 20 years, almost.
401
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,959
I did bump into Stuart again,
402
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,639
typically outside of a pub
as it was with Stuart,
403
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,800
and I'd got him round
my home a couple of times.
404
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,559
I'd got him happy
and talking about,
405
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,039
and talking to Army friends.
406
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,519
I see his face light up.
407
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,920
I had hope for him.
408
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,120
We promised to stay in touch.
409
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,599
About 2023,
410
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,039
I had heard from people
that he was being bullied.
411
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,840
This was all going on
with what we call Cuckooing.
412
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,159
Cuckooing
is when drug dealers
413
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,559
effectively use and abuse
a vulnerable person's property
414
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,439
as their hub for distribution.
415
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,159
They will very often give
free samples, as it were,
416
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,999
to the householder,
417
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,119
as a way of ensnaring them
in the whole system.
418
00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:41,600
People who have been cuckooed
tend to get very badly used.
419
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,959
That was the case
with Stuart.
420
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,480
Sadly, nothing more was done.
421
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,040
I went round to see him.
422
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,599
I see an unkempt man.
423
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,159
He's now overweight.
424
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,239
He's now got the telltale signs
of alcohol, overindulgence,
425
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,560
and he was in a bad way.
426
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,719
He wasn't always like that.
427
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,679
He would go through times
when he got himself together,
428
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,999
but as soon as the people
realised that he was lonely
429
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,319
and needed friendship,
430
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,120
that's when he was targeted.
431
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,799
I did have words with people.
432
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,560
I did tell people
to leave him alone.
433
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,359
Sadly, Stuart's personality
had changed so much,
434
00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:24,720
he would probably do anything
to try and please anyone.
435
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,359
He was allowing people
436
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,040
that were dealers
to come into his house.
437
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,599
He would pass
over his bank card.
438
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,839
They would go
and take his money out,
439
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,199
and they'd spend his money.
440
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,639
They had introduced him
to drugs,
441
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,080
and then he got,
surprisingly, he liked it.
442
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,079
I did throw them out
of his house once,
443
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,680
and I did talk to the police.
444
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,759
So he was moved to another flat.
445
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,960
But these people
knew where he'd moved to.
446
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,559
And so it was just a case of,
447
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,559
well, he's in
a different address,
448
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,000
but we can still
do the same stuff.
449
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,279
They'd cuckooed him again,
450
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,199
and that's how he was introduced
to Swan-Miller,
451
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,359
and his alcohol dependency
had got so great
452
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:12,560
she was withholding
453
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:14,920
the alcohol.
454
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,239
She had his bank cards, everything.
455
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,799
And what do you do if
you don't get your fix?
456
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,080
You'll find an alternative.
457
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,920
And that's how Stuart got
on the drugs.
458
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:31,720
Going forward to June, 2023,
459
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,879
I hadn't seen Stuart
for a few weeks,
460
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,759
and I had heard through Joseph
461
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,399
that he'd lost a lot of weight
and everything else.
462
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,319
Then I saw Stuart
with Swan-Miller,
463
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,440
a blonde peroxide bimbo
464
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,040
with a lot of makeup on.
465
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,800
I just looked at him
and was like,
466
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,039
I'm not saying anything.
467
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,640
A day that I remember well,
468
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,880
Joseph got this call.
469
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,519
Stuart had rung up
and asked for £50,
470
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,280
something to do with her dog
and drugs.
471
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,839
He had told me
that he needed this money
472
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,840
for some drug dealers that were
473
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,919
from London.
474
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,360
They were threatening
to come down and beat him up.
475
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,200
I didn't have any money
to give them.
476
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,920
If I had, then I would have.
477
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:37,840
He sounded saddened
478
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,680
and he said, I understand.
479
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,240
She came on the phone,
Swan-Miller.
480
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,759
please, please, please,
my dog's going to be killed,
481
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,120
or we're going to be killed.
482
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,519
[gentle music[
483
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,120
And that was the last
I ever heard from him.
484
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,999
I feel regret
for it being the last time
485
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,320
we ever had a conversation
and how that conversation ended.
486
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,440
I wish it could have ended
in better circumstances.
487
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,959
{\an8}Apart from what we might call
traditional forensics,
488
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,639
{\an8}DNA, etc.
489
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,320
There is also digital forensics.
490
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,959
So what we
would tend to do
491
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,599
is we would have some keyword
searching on social media,
492
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,759
so it would pick up
anything at all
493
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,520
that may yield
some intelligence.
494
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,360
And that immediately
495
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,799
got them thinking.
496
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,279
Could they trace Swan-Miller
497
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,559
through her social
media platforms?
498
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,880
Could they find out
where she was posting?
499
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,559
We know Swan-Miller
was using TikTok.
500
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,319
If she's logging
into her social media accounts,
501
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,640
then potentially we could get
some alerts in relation to that.
502
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,919
What surface very publicly
on her TikTok profile
503
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,359
was a recently made video
504
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:14,800
that really stood out and
immediately got our attention.
505
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,319
{\an8}I'm going to be taking a break
from TikTok for a bit,
506
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,440
{\an8}I think because
507
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,519
{\an8}I've been a bad girl.
508
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,520
{\an8}I
509
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,800
{\an8}had to do what I did because,
510
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,120
{\an8}Of my
511
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,799
{\an8}situation.
512
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,199
{\an8}We were all quite
shocked at that point
513
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,079
{\an8}that it appeared that she had
given some sort of confession
514
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,999
to her link to Perhaps what
had happened to Mr. Crocker.
515
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,000
She was boasting that she
had been a naughty girl,
516
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,640
and that she didn't believe
she had done any wrong.
517
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,840
{\an8}I can only explain
518
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,800
{\an8}when the time comes.
519
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:14,600
{\an8}But
520
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,280
{\an8}I
521
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,480
{\an8}had to do what I did because,
522
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,720
{\an8}of my
523
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,160
situation.
524
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,799
Absolutely everybody had a
copy of it on their phone.
525
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,320
Everybody was showing me.
526
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,079
There was a police officer out
the front of Stuart's flat,
527
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,079
so I've shown them
and told them, you know,
528
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,240
are you aware of this?
529
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,799
{\an8}You probably won't want to
speak to me
530
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,279
{\an8}when you find out anyway,
531
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,279
{\an8}but there's more to the story
than just one side.
532
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,879
It was just quite disturbing.
533
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,840
She seemed so...
534
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,799
almost proud of what she'd done.
535
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,159
{\an8}Almost kind of like
this was a Big Brother interview
536
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,279
{\an8}or some other reality TV show.
537
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,800
Not that she'd done
what she'd done and...
538
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,119
was, she just seemed proud
of herself,
539
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,239
which makes you feel a bit sick,
to be honest.
540
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,559
And I basically decided
541
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,439
I was not going
to be downloading TikTok
542
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,599
because I just didn't want
to see it repeatedly.
543
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,879
It didn't seem like
it was a sane person
544
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,199
that would, that would do that.
545
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,039
We want to get hold of
her as quickly as possible,
546
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,159
not only to make sure
that she's in custody,
547
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,519
but also to capture
any forensic evidence
548
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,519
that may be on her,
that may link her to,
549
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,560
to the murder of Stuart.
550
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,600
Does she own a vehicle?
551
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,199
If there is, we may put
what's called a flag on ANPR,
552
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,959
the automated number
plate recognition system,
553
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,760
which are cameras strategically
placed on road networks.
554
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,880
Do we know where she banks?
555
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,239
Are there particular shops that
she goes to on a regular basis
556
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,760
to get cigarettes,
alcohol, foodstuff?
557
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,599
All this information
can be really, really useful
558
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,640
when you're trying
to plan an arrest of a suspect.
559
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,080
There is a misconception
when it comes to CCTV.
560
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,879
{\an8}There is no central database.
561
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,239
{\an8}There is no easy way
of just plugging in
562
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,319
and downloading CCTV
from around the city.
563
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,400
It is time-consuming
and can be very frustrating.
564
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,879
Where has she gone?
565
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Is there any record of her
moving around Andover?
566
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,640
Has she left Andover?
567
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,680
What CCTV can we find?
568
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,480
Where is Swan-Miller?
569
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,359
We were wanting to find
out as much as we could
570
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,040
about Winter Swan-Miller
and Mr. Crocker.
571
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,120
We know this is going to be a
significant thing going forward.
572
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,199
We were looking
for any other signs
573
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,799
that could build a picture
for us
574
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,199
about who they were,
575
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,319
and perhaps what their
relationship would have been.
576
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,119
Stuart and
Swan-Miller's relationship.
577
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:22,960
{\an8}Tempestuous,
578
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,640
{\an8}sometimes very volatile.
579
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,959
One day, her dog disappeared.
580
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,120
She blamed Stuart for that.
581
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,999
All hell broke loose.
582
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,799
She was out effing and blinding
and shouting in the street
583
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,200
and got my dog and all this lot.
584
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,159
But she was just one crazy,
crazy lady.
585
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,279
{\an8}We know that alcohol
and drug use were present
586
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,599
{\an8}in the relationship between
Stuart Crocker and Swan-Miller.
587
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,439
This is quite important to note
588
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,559
because the presence
of mind-altering substances
589
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,159
can really shape how
a relationship develops
590
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,719
because what it can do
591
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,279
is intensify the emotional bonds
that people are experiencing,
592
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,839
but also it can create
a breeding ground for conflict
593
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,959
because when people are under
the influence of substances,
594
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,719
their inhibitions reduce,
595
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,639
their ability to make
decisions becomes impaired,
596
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,439
but also their impulse
control reduces.
597
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,679
I have heard an
argument
598
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,920
approximately five days prior to
599
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,079
Stuart dying,
600
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,320
but from then onwards,
complete silence, really.
601
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,239
The police had
a breakthrough
602
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,799
when they noticed an image
603
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,079
that appeared
to be Winter Swan-Miller
604
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,319
walking towards
Andover railway station
605
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,919
in company with her dog,
606
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,840
but she also had some luggage
with her,
607
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,600
indicating
she was leaving the area.
608
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,039
Whilst the CCTV at the railway
station was a breakthrough,
609
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,519
it just opened up even greater
avenues of investigation.
610
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,719
She's kind of disappeared
in a puff of smoke
611
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:12,079
from Andover Station.
612
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,279
So at this point we knew that
Winter Swan-Miller
613
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,719
was on the run.
614
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:17,319
You know,
police couldn't find her.
615
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,999
Swan-Miller was known
to the local police.
616
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,799
They were documented incidents
of violence on her part.
617
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,079
Additionally, even though
she was never charged,
618
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,879
previously,
police had recovered knives
619
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,000
and a sword from one
of her prior addresses.
620
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,519
Had she gone north,
up to London,
621
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,079
then she would have arrived
at Waterloo
622
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:42,519
and disappeared into the myriad
of platforms on the underground.
623
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,600
Did she go out, get a taxi?
624
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,519
Who knows?
625
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,319
We suspect that she's murdered
one person already
626
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,119
in a very vicious attack.
627
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,880
Could she do that again
to somebody else?
628
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,599
With any cases
of serious crime
629
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,999
that's happened
in our community,
630
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,160
as a journalist, what drives
us is to get to the truth.
631
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,999
However, with this case,
632
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,960
there was a lot
of unanswered questions.
633
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,599
So we start watching
these videos
634
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,199
{\an8}on Winter Swan-Millers
TikTok account.
635
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,479
{\an8}Well, I'm sweating.
636
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,279
{\an8}I am doing the housework.
637
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,279
{\an8}I'm winning.
638
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,919
{\an8}Yes! Get in.
639
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:27,999
{\an8}She's miming.
640
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,279
{\an8}She's singing along.
641
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,479
And then the next moment,
you've got videos of her
642
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,679
posting about this
fluffy white dog
643
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,639
{\an8}who's called Oblivion.
644
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,359
Libby, say hello.
645
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,479
{\an8}Whoo!
646
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,039
She absolutely dotes
on this dog.
647
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,240
She loves this dog.
648
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,879
{\an8}You can see how people
start following her.
649
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,159
{\an8}You might click on her,
see what she's doing now,
650
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,679
{\an8}see what crazy stuff she's up
to today.
651
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,239
{\an8}Well, I've just
been banned again,
652
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,079
{\an8}apparently for nudity.
653
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,159
{\an8}When I was just
wearing this outfit,
654
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,799
{\an8}there was no nudity.
655
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,560
{\an8}It's a jar.
656
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,079
She's probably been doing
lives on there,
657
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,679
which can attract a bit
of money.
658
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,119
But then, is she going
on to other platforms?
659
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,880
Is there an OnlyFans account?
660
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,159
{\an8}There's a lot more
explicit sites,
661
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,679
{\an8}shall we say?
662
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,319
{\an8}Okay, where people then can
manage their, their viewings,
663
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,519
their accounts,
they can gain media traction,
664
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,119
{\an8}they can earn money from this.
665
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,919
{\an8}They can have people
that will want private viewings
666
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,759
{\an8}of what they're showing.
667
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,959
We know that she kind
of existed in two worlds.
668
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,640
She had the offline world
and the online world.
669
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,559
Her offline world was
characterised by instability,
670
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,559
not only in terms of emotions
and mental health,
671
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,719
but also living situations,
672
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:45,920
relationship dynamics,
and breakdowns.
673
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,759
{\an8}For people who have relationship
difficulties in real life,
674
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,679
{\an8}the online world can give
them a sense of escape
675
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,399
{\an8}because they have
much more control
676
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,879
{\an8}around the relationships.
677
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,519
{\an8}While they may not be as deep
and meaningful,
678
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,999
{\an8}they're still rewarding
679
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,199
because the social
media world is fuelled
680
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,639
by likes,
comments and engagements,
681
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,239
which kind of activates
our dopamine system,
682
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:09,559
our reward system,
683
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,279
and can be incredibly addictive.
684
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,760
I had a look
at the TikToks.
685
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,440
All of them.
686
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,919
She is very provocative
in some of them.
687
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,799
Well, she's provocative
in most of them,
688
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,320
doing all these little dances
in just her underwear.
689
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,160
Always with makeup,
always with makeup on.
690
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,799
The last time
I was to see Stuart,
691
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,640
it was a Saturday.
692
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,479
I was in the town centre.
693
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:50,559
He looked happy.
694
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,119
He was so pleased to see me.
695
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,599
We sat and talked for a bit
696
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,159
and I said, "oh,
I must get your number."
697
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,760
He said, "oh,
she's got my phone."
698
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,919
And I said, "who? Who's she?"
699
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,319
"My girlfriend."
700
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,320
And I said, "well,
where is she?"
701
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,719
So I looked over, and she was in
the charity shop in Andover.
702
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,519
I said,
"I'll go and get the number
703
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,960
so we can stay in touch now."
704
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:13,959
And he said, "yeah, yeah."
705
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:19,319
I went into the charity shop,
and I saw Swan-Miller.
706
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,359
She was, um,
707
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,319
half dressed, if you like,
708
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,879
Is the best way to put it.
709
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,639
She was trying to hide a pair
of shoes that she was stealing
710
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:28,959
out the charity shop,
711
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,680
and I thought, God,
you know, that's pretty low.
712
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,559
She came and said,
"oh, we've got to go."
713
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:35,799
She sort of grabbed his arm,
714
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,840
and she was trying
to guide him away from me.
715
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,639
I just thought to myself,
716
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,720
why would this 30
something year woman
717
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,519
wants to be Stuart's girlfriend?
718
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,799
No disrespect to Stuart,
719
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,719
but he wasn't in the best
of health,
720
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,119
both mentally and physically.
721
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,799
But I was told subsequently,
there have been a few occasions
722
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,479
when Stuart realised that
certain points in his clarity
723
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,840
that he was being used.
724
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,119
I know that he had asked
Winter Miller to leave
725
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,999
on a few occasions.
726
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,519
I know that Stuart was getting
tired from all accounts
727
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,919
of her behaviour,
of her outbursts.
728
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,200
That's what I believe
was the final straw.
729
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,999
Two weeks later,
Stuart would be dead.
730
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,680
Following the search of
the scene of the crime,
731
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,079
{\an8}it was noted that Stuart's
bank cards were missing.
732
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,319
If a card is used,
733
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,959
the bank very quickly can pass
that information
734
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,759
to the single point of contact,
735
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,240
who would feed it back
into the detectives.
736
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,359
The bank informed the detectives
737
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,239
that Stuart's card
had been used in Walsall,
738
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:00,680
in the West Midlands.
739
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:05,239
The bank were able to provide
a photograph from the ATM
740
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:07,239
of the person
who had used the card.
741
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,199
The image from the ATM
showed a white Caucasian,
742
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,039
middle-aged man,
thinning on top.
743
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,200
Certainly, not Swan-Miller.
744
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,600
It was a bit of a curveball.
745
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,599
Who was this person?
746
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,639
Could they identify him?
747
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,440
And if they could, would
that lead them to Swan-Miller?
748
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,880
Focus was now on Walsall.
749
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,199
What we need to do now is try
and establish any CCTV
750
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,159
around that ATM that might help
identify who is using that card
751
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,240
at that particular time.
752
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,919
Using a protocol,
753
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,759
they asked West Midlands Police
754
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,200
to issue that photograph
at daily briefings.
755
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,039
The morning briefings are
for patrolling officers
756
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,519
for safer neighbourhood teams,
757
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,479
people who are on the ground
758
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,680
and who might be able
to identify this mystery person.
759
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,759
The investigating
detectives had identified
760
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,519
that there was a drug link.
761
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,639
Was this man known
as a drug user,
762
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,919
and was Swan-Miller with him?
763
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,839
{\an8}The bank reported a second usage
of Stuart's card
764
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,720
in the Aldridge area in Walsall.
765
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,199
{\an8}A second usage of the card
in the same area
766
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,359
{\an8}indicated to the police
767
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,800
{\an8}that whoever was using it
lived locally.
768
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,919
{\an8}They were not on the run.
769
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,000
{\an8}They were not travelling
all over the country.
770
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,279
The investigation team needs
to move fast.
771
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,879
So, having identified
this pattern of usage,
772
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,560
Hampshire officers
were deployed.
773
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,239
They started staking out the
two garages
774
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,880
where money had been withdrawn
from the cash machine.
775
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,280
They have
an observation post.
776
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,519
They are sat in vehicles,
watching and waiting,
777
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,039
and as soon as
that card is used,
778
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,559
they would then pounce
on the individual
779
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,720
in possession of that card.
780
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,119
At the same time,
781
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,719
detectives will have been trying
to triangulate Swan-Miller.
782
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,760
They would have been looking
at her social media platforms.
783
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,919
Was she logging in
from IP addresses
784
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,279
that resolved to an address,
785
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,760
or different addresses
in that area?
786
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,279
The SIO has this dilemma.
787
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,319
Do they use the opportunity
788
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,359
to seize the card
at the next transaction
789
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,199
so that they can then identify
who that individual is?
790
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,599
Or do they let it run
a little bit longer?
791
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,039
And the advantage of letting
it run a little bit longer
792
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,559
is that it helps you build
up a bit more of a picture
793
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,919
as to where
that card is being used,
794
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,879
so that ultimately
you can identify where
795
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,080
Winter Swan-Miller is.
796
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,720
However, the police decide
to take action
797
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,000
and pounce
on the next withdrawal.
798
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,279
{\an8}I think what they were
799
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,799
{\an8}probably expecting was to find
the male that they've seen
800
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,359
on the ATM before.
801
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,599
But to their surprise, they
actually saw both individuals
802
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,160
turning up with the card.
803
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,239
And they immediately jumped
on them and arrested them
804
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:41,680
on suspicion of Stuart's murder.
805
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,439
So now that these two
are in custody,
806
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,040
a search was conducted
at the male's home address.
807
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,879
And what the police found in
that address
808
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,639
were belongings
of Winter Swan-Miller.
809
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,279
Those belongings
included clothing,
810
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,040
They included notes,
but also her dog, Oblivion.
811
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,799
There was a phone belonging
to the male himself,
812
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,079
which had been used
by Winter Swan-Miller
813
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,119
to upload some of her videos
814
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,160
and some of her social
media posts.
815
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,239
Finally,
the police get their person.
816
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:25,919
Winter Swan-Miller
has been arrested,
817
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,999
having been on the run
for a few days,
818
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,359
and hopefully the risk
of harming anyone else
819
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,479
has subsided.
820
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,560
But the law
has to take its course,
821
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,759
and to get justice for Stuart,
822
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,920
police must unravel
what's happened.
823
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,560
Who was this man
Swan-Miller had been with?
824
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,280
Did he have anything
to do with Stuart's death?
825
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,919
Was Swan-Miller the killer?
826
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,519
So far, Swan-Miller
has only been caught
827
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,159
with a stolen cash card
828
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,959
and made some suggestive
comments on TikTok.
829
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,439
You could argue that she
was stoned out of her head
830
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,239
when she made
those social media.
831
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:13,240
So, that's not evidence
in itself.
832
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,439
She may have a very
strong defence.
833
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,759
She could plead insanity
or even get acquitted.
834
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,240
{\an8}I just hope that it all goes
well, really.
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