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Thank you. 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,838 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 10 00:00:35,838 --> 00:00:37,973 DAVID SUSSKIND: Uh, Mary Tyler Moore, 11 00:00:37,973 --> 00:00:39,641 the world should know that your name is really 12 00:00:39,641 --> 00:00:42,177 - Mary Tyler Moore Tinker. - Yes, isn't that darling? 13 00:00:42,177 --> 00:00:43,879 SUSSKIND: It should be "Mary Tyler Tinker Moore." 14 00:00:43,879 --> 00:00:44,980 MARY TYLER MOORE: Yes. (CHUCKLES) 15 00:00:44,980 --> 00:00:46,181 SUSSKIND: Was the wife you played there 16 00:00:46,181 --> 00:00:48,584 {\an8}kind of an idealization of the American wife? 17 00:00:48,584 --> 00:00:49,617 {\an8}There is no such woman. 18 00:00:49,617 --> 00:00:51,453 {\an8}- Most of them are wretched nags. - I don't think so. 19 00:00:51,453 --> 00:00:53,488 Yes. I think we all have our moments. 20 00:00:53,488 --> 00:00:57,059 Some of us have the nagging personality 21 00:00:57,059 --> 00:00:59,194 come to the fore more often than others. 22 00:00:59,194 --> 00:01:01,362 But Laura Petrie broke down and cried, 23 00:01:01,362 --> 00:01:03,431 and she used ploys to get her way, 24 00:01:03,431 --> 00:01:05,667 and she was nasty and short-tempered. 25 00:01:05,667 --> 00:01:08,670 And she was also sweet and soft. And she was many things. 26 00:01:08,670 --> 00:01:13,074 Oh, no, I think she was sort of a strained idealization 27 00:01:13,074 --> 00:01:15,544 of the American woman as she thinks she is. 28 00:01:15,544 --> 00:01:18,914 But they had no connection with reality. 29 00:01:18,914 --> 00:01:20,349 - I mean... - Well-- 30 00:01:20,349 --> 00:01:21,783 ...the woman that's talking all the time in a restaurant. 31 00:01:21,783 --> 00:01:24,252 I claim that you can walk into an average restaurant 32 00:01:24,252 --> 00:01:26,487 and if you have observed life enough, 33 00:01:26,487 --> 00:01:28,990 American female-male relationships, 34 00:01:28,990 --> 00:01:30,092 you can look in the restaurant 35 00:01:30,092 --> 00:01:32,055 and tell who's married and who's single. 36 00:01:32,055 --> 00:01:33,896 - Yeah. Sometimes you can. - Where the woman is just 37 00:01:33,896 --> 00:01:35,263 yakking like crazy. 38 00:01:35,263 --> 00:01:36,564 - MARY: Mm-hmm. - SUSSKIND: And the man has a hurt, 39 00:01:36,564 --> 00:01:38,033 - bored expression. - MARY: Yes. (CHUCKLES) 40 00:01:38,033 --> 00:01:39,268 They're real married at that point. 41 00:01:39,268 --> 00:01:40,568 I know, I know. I-- 42 00:01:40,568 --> 00:01:42,270 SUSSKIND: And where she's listening 43 00:01:42,270 --> 00:01:44,639 and he's just elocutioning, 44 00:01:44,639 --> 00:01:48,743 and she's just wide-eyed and attentive. They're engaged. 45 00:01:48,743 --> 00:01:51,279 MARY: Oh, gosh! I'll probably get in trouble saying this 46 00:01:51,279 --> 00:01:53,849 but I really do think more wives should investigate 47 00:01:53,849 --> 00:01:55,350 the possibilities of working 48 00:01:55,350 --> 00:01:57,953 because I agree with Betty Friedan 49 00:01:57,953 --> 00:01:59,221 and her point of view in her book, 50 00:01:59,221 --> 00:02:01,090 The Feminine Mystique, that women are, 51 00:02:01,090 --> 00:02:03,258 or should be, human beings first, 52 00:02:03,258 --> 00:02:06,094 women second, wives and mothers third. 53 00:02:06,094 --> 00:02:07,662 It should fall in that order 54 00:02:07,662 --> 00:02:10,265 and that if there's enough thought and effort 55 00:02:10,265 --> 00:02:12,902 put into this attempt 56 00:02:12,902 --> 00:02:14,665 that it will not hurt the family, 57 00:02:14,665 --> 00:02:15,703 it will not hurt the work, 58 00:02:15,703 --> 00:02:18,173 that they can function very nicely together. 59 00:02:18,173 --> 00:02:19,808 I'm proving it. 60 00:02:19,808 --> 00:02:24,316 ♪ (EERIE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 61 00:02:26,383 --> 00:02:27,983 {\an8}GLORIA STEINEM: Just consider what visitors 62 00:02:27,983 --> 00:02:30,518 {\an8}from outer space might think 63 00:02:30,518 --> 00:02:33,621 {\an8}if they were confronted with the last 20 years 64 00:02:33,621 --> 00:02:37,059 {\an8}of television and films as the only evidence 65 00:02:37,059 --> 00:02:39,962 of what American women were like. 66 00:02:39,962 --> 00:02:41,463 It would be quite clear 67 00:02:41,463 --> 00:02:43,231 that we slept in false eyelashes 68 00:02:43,231 --> 00:02:45,134 and full makeup, 69 00:02:45,134 --> 00:02:47,368 and indeed spend all of our lives 70 00:02:47,368 --> 00:02:50,037 with such ornamentation on us. 71 00:02:50,037 --> 00:02:54,243 Some of us would be taken to be a servant class of some sort. 72 00:02:54,243 --> 00:02:57,212 Some of us would be taken to be sex-crazed, 73 00:02:57,212 --> 00:02:59,481 others, totally puritanical. 74 00:02:59,481 --> 00:03:02,918 Most of us would be man junkies, very strange creatures 75 00:03:02,918 --> 00:03:07,455 who were thought to need men for our identities. 76 00:03:07,455 --> 00:03:10,793 If we lived alone, we would almost have to be widows, 77 00:03:10,793 --> 00:03:12,794 at least until recently on television. 78 00:03:12,794 --> 00:03:16,698 - That's begun to change. - ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 79 00:03:16,698 --> 00:03:19,000 And I could discover the secret of immortality 80 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,703 and people would still say, "Look at that single girl." 81 00:03:22,703 --> 00:03:24,806 MARY: It stems from a love of what you're doing. 82 00:03:24,806 --> 00:03:27,109 {\an8}It would be unnatural not to have ambition, 83 00:03:27,109 --> 00:03:28,347 {\an8}I would think. 84 00:03:29,780 --> 00:03:31,412 JAMES LIPTON: Her seven Emmy Awards, 85 00:03:31,412 --> 00:03:33,047 {\an8}her three Golden Globe Awards, 86 00:03:33,047 --> 00:03:35,217 {\an8}- and her Academy Award nomination... - (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 87 00:03:35,217 --> 00:03:38,554 ...are only the beginning of the story. 88 00:03:38,554 --> 00:03:39,688 MARY: While I would never 89 00:03:39,688 --> 00:03:41,857 consciously choose pain for myself, 90 00:03:41,857 --> 00:03:43,826 sometimes you have to have a little pain, 91 00:03:43,826 --> 00:03:44,997 a little disappointment. 92 00:03:47,264 --> 00:03:52,167 Oh, Rob! Are you saying it's my fault? 93 00:03:52,167 --> 00:03:53,802 DINAH SHORE: Every woman in America 94 00:03:53,802 --> 00:03:56,933 must have dreamed about being just like her. 95 00:03:56,933 --> 00:03:58,574 Please welcome, Mary Tyler Moore. 96 00:03:58,574 --> 00:03:59,808 (AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 97 00:03:59,808 --> 00:04:00,975 Believe me, Millie. It-- 98 00:04:00,975 --> 00:04:02,477 - It wasn't quite like this. - JERRY PARIS: Oh. (CHUCKLES) 99 00:04:02,477 --> 00:04:04,146 Well, I believe you but how you gonna convince 100 00:04:04,146 --> 00:04:05,614 forty million other people? 101 00:04:05,614 --> 00:04:07,582 What should we know about you? 102 00:04:07,582 --> 00:04:10,351 Uh, well, most of the things that you should know about me, 103 00:04:10,351 --> 00:04:12,087 I'm not gonna tell. (CHUCKLES) 104 00:04:12,087 --> 00:04:14,123 I don't take huge risks, though. 105 00:04:14,123 --> 00:04:16,158 I'm not a foolish person. 106 00:04:16,158 --> 00:04:18,060 You know what's got me really upset? 107 00:04:18,060 --> 00:04:20,662 - I have no idea. - I just sounded nuts. 108 00:04:20,662 --> 00:04:22,331 - REPORTER 1: Mary! - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 109 00:04:22,331 --> 00:04:23,532 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) 110 00:04:23,532 --> 00:04:25,133 REPORTER 2: It's your first nomination. 111 00:04:25,133 --> 00:04:27,802 - How do you feel tonight? - Wonderful! 112 00:04:27,802 --> 00:04:29,904 MARY: What she really needed to do, and ultimately 113 00:04:29,904 --> 00:04:33,578 gets the last chance to do, is have a life of her own. 114 00:04:38,517 --> 00:04:40,519 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 115 00:04:45,589 --> 00:04:47,288 {\an8}RONA BARRETT: I don't think anyone 116 00:04:47,288 --> 00:04:49,757 {\an8}in the entertainment business... 117 00:04:49,757 --> 00:04:52,898 has gone through more changes than you have... 118 00:04:53,931 --> 00:04:54,663 - in this-- - Wait a minute, 119 00:04:54,663 --> 00:04:56,365 that can't be true. (CHUCKLES) 120 00:04:56,365 --> 00:04:57,765 RONA: In this past year, 121 00:04:57,765 --> 00:05:00,736 I guess one would call it a midlife crisis. 122 00:05:00,736 --> 00:05:02,704 I hate that term "crisis" though. 123 00:05:02,704 --> 00:05:05,777 - A midlife change. - RONA: A midlife change. Okay. 124 00:05:07,106 --> 00:05:09,144 And the courage to follow through 125 00:05:09,144 --> 00:05:10,782 with what you perceive as... 126 00:05:11,348 --> 00:05:12,681 a necessary change. 127 00:05:12,681 --> 00:05:15,284 It may be difficult for people to understand, 128 00:05:15,284 --> 00:05:16,786 because they see somebody like me 129 00:05:16,786 --> 00:05:19,254 who has been working for a long time 130 00:05:19,254 --> 00:05:20,622 and has been relatively successful 131 00:05:20,622 --> 00:05:22,658 and they think, "Oh, that's independence." 132 00:05:22,658 --> 00:05:24,527 It is not necessarily true. 133 00:05:24,527 --> 00:05:26,962 ♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 134 00:05:26,962 --> 00:05:30,265 (ENGINE RUMBLING) 135 00:05:30,265 --> 00:05:34,102 MARY: I was born December 29th, 1936 136 00:05:34,102 --> 00:05:36,504 in Brooklyn, New York. 137 00:05:36,504 --> 00:05:41,746 As my father reminds me though, of impoverished nobility. 138 00:05:43,314 --> 00:05:45,580 I was a feisty kid. I was always in fights 139 00:05:45,580 --> 00:05:47,648 - with the neighborhood kids. - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 140 00:05:47,648 --> 00:05:53,021 Possibly because it was an ethnically charged situation. 141 00:05:53,021 --> 00:05:58,093 By that time, it had become an Orthodox Jewish community. 142 00:05:58,093 --> 00:06:01,934 And here I was, this English-Irish Catholic kid. 143 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,101 I knew at a very early age what I wanted to do. 144 00:06:06,101 --> 00:06:10,038 Some people refer to it as indulging in my instincts 145 00:06:10,038 --> 00:06:11,740 and my artistic bent. 146 00:06:11,740 --> 00:06:13,441 I call it just showing off... 147 00:06:13,441 --> 00:06:15,105 (CHUCKLES) ...which was what I did 148 00:06:15,105 --> 00:06:18,213 from about three years of age on. 149 00:06:18,213 --> 00:06:20,582 And my grandfather once said of me, 150 00:06:20,582 --> 00:06:24,019 "This child will either end up on stage or in jail." 151 00:06:24,019 --> 00:06:26,354 RONA: What part did your father play in your life? 152 00:06:26,354 --> 00:06:27,689 MARY: A very important part. 153 00:06:27,689 --> 00:06:29,758 He was a rather intimidating force. 154 00:06:29,758 --> 00:06:31,326 - ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ - MARY: I always 155 00:06:31,326 --> 00:06:32,693 wanted his respect. 156 00:06:32,693 --> 00:06:35,800 I knew I could never reach him on the intellectual level. 157 00:06:36,500 --> 00:06:37,767 So, in order to win him over, 158 00:06:37,767 --> 00:06:40,568 I had to do it on some other plane. 159 00:06:40,568 --> 00:06:43,806 And for me then it was performing, 160 00:06:43,806 --> 00:06:46,675 which my father was never very good at. 161 00:06:46,675 --> 00:06:48,543 My mother was an alcoholic. 162 00:06:48,543 --> 00:06:52,313 She was most at ease at a party or having a party. 163 00:06:52,313 --> 00:06:55,383 Everybody's good-time best gal, 164 00:06:55,383 --> 00:06:58,454 not the most attuned to parenting 165 00:06:58,454 --> 00:06:59,992 that I would have liked. 166 00:07:01,059 --> 00:07:03,091 She would start drinking in the day 167 00:07:03,091 --> 00:07:04,192 and she would not stop 168 00:07:04,192 --> 00:07:07,728 until somebody found the bottle and took it away. 169 00:07:07,728 --> 00:07:10,999 I didn't know anything about alcoholism at the time 170 00:07:10,999 --> 00:07:14,573 and I thought that she was getting drunk at me. 171 00:07:15,806 --> 00:07:19,678 That if she really, really loved me, she could stop. 172 00:07:21,178 --> 00:07:23,911 My aunt and grandmother who lived together 173 00:07:23,911 --> 00:07:27,014 had taken me for weekends from the time I was an infant, 174 00:07:27,014 --> 00:07:29,780 making it easier for my mother and father to have a good time 175 00:07:29,780 --> 00:07:31,486 on their own. 176 00:07:31,486 --> 00:07:33,855 I thought the best way to get my parents' attention 177 00:07:33,855 --> 00:07:37,126 and approval, is by succeeding as a dancer. 178 00:07:37,126 --> 00:07:39,294 I started studying when I was eight years old 179 00:07:39,294 --> 00:07:42,130 - when we moved to California. - ♪ (CHEERFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 180 00:07:42,130 --> 00:07:44,933 - (SEAGULLS SQUAWKING) - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 181 00:07:44,933 --> 00:07:47,335 MARY: That was just after World War Two. 182 00:07:47,335 --> 00:07:49,772 And I had a very successful uncle 183 00:07:49,772 --> 00:07:53,475 named Harold Hackett, who was with MCA. 184 00:07:53,475 --> 00:07:55,977 He had been luring the family to come 185 00:07:55,977 --> 00:08:00,649 to this land of sunshine and promise for all 186 00:08:00,649 --> 00:08:02,083 called "Hollywood." 187 00:08:02,083 --> 00:08:05,448 {\an8}And since my father was working for ConEd 188 00:08:05,448 --> 00:08:07,890 and didn't really have what you'd call a career, 189 00:08:07,890 --> 00:08:12,160 and my Aunt Birdie who was working for radio, 190 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,630 she decided that she could take care of herself out there. 191 00:08:14,630 --> 00:08:16,098 And so the whole family moved. 192 00:08:16,098 --> 00:08:18,261 And at that point, the whole family included 193 00:08:18,261 --> 00:08:21,773 my seven-year younger brother, John. 194 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,807 I started taking dance classes right away 195 00:08:25,807 --> 00:08:28,676 that my Aunt Birdie paid for and drove me to. 196 00:08:28,676 --> 00:08:31,313 And for which my grandmother made the costumes 197 00:08:31,313 --> 00:08:32,614 for the recitals. 198 00:08:32,614 --> 00:08:35,684 It was pretty locked into my mind and heart and soul 199 00:08:35,684 --> 00:08:37,517 that that's what I was gonna do. 200 00:08:41,092 --> 00:08:42,857 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 201 00:08:42,857 --> 00:08:45,426 RONA: When you went out for your very first job... 202 00:08:45,426 --> 00:08:46,932 - Mm-hmm. - ...did you get it? 203 00:08:47,298 --> 00:08:49,431 Yes. Yes. 204 00:08:49,431 --> 00:08:50,933 ♪ (WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 205 00:08:50,933 --> 00:08:53,536 VOICE OVER: ♪ Every day's a holiday ♪ 206 00:08:53,536 --> 00:08:55,807 ♪ With Hotpoint ♪ 207 00:08:56,841 --> 00:08:58,808 MARY: The very first job was the day 208 00:08:58,808 --> 00:09:01,577 after the high school graduation prom. 209 00:09:01,577 --> 00:09:02,777 RONA: And what was the job? 210 00:09:02,777 --> 00:09:04,513 MARY: And that was the series of commercials 211 00:09:04,513 --> 00:09:07,077 on the Ozzie and Harriet television show, 212 00:09:07,077 --> 00:09:08,483 in which I played a pixie 213 00:09:08,483 --> 00:09:10,318 representing the Hotpoint appliances. 214 00:09:10,318 --> 00:09:12,254 I was Happy Hotpoint. 215 00:09:12,254 --> 00:09:14,859 - (SIGHS, LAUGHS) - (RONA CHUCKLES) 216 00:09:15,393 --> 00:09:16,591 Happy Hotpoint 217 00:09:16,591 --> 00:09:18,393 - at your service. - ♪ (AD JINGLE PLAYS, FADES) ♪ 218 00:09:18,393 --> 00:09:21,028 MARY: I really liked doing that. 219 00:09:21,028 --> 00:09:23,599 {\an8}- ♪ (MELLOW MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ - MARY: But I had also married 220 00:09:23,599 --> 00:09:24,933 {\an8}very soon after 221 00:09:24,933 --> 00:09:27,235 {\an8}that first commercial was filmed. 222 00:09:27,235 --> 00:09:28,770 And despite my best intentions, 223 00:09:28,770 --> 00:09:32,307 I found myself pregnant two months later. 224 00:09:32,307 --> 00:09:35,310 And that was a difficult moment to live through 225 00:09:35,310 --> 00:09:36,777 for the Hotpoint people too 226 00:09:36,777 --> 00:09:40,249 because there I was with these emerging breasts 227 00:09:40,249 --> 00:09:42,017 in my little gray leotard, 228 00:09:42,017 --> 00:09:43,985 not looking very much like the logo 229 00:09:43,985 --> 00:09:46,754 they had in mind. (CHUCKLES) So, that had to be truncated. 230 00:09:46,754 --> 00:09:50,362 {\an8}Then I went on to become Richard's mother. 231 00:09:52,163 --> 00:09:57,199 {\an8}I think there's a terrible contempt for women 232 00:09:57,199 --> 00:09:59,467 {\an8}still in our society, 233 00:09:59,467 --> 00:10:02,605 {\an8}implicit in this glorified image of women 234 00:10:02,605 --> 00:10:04,539 only as a sex object. 235 00:10:04,539 --> 00:10:07,709 Implicit in this glorified insistence 236 00:10:07,709 --> 00:10:09,412 that woman's fulfillment is motherhood 237 00:10:09,412 --> 00:10:10,813 and only motherhood. 238 00:10:10,813 --> 00:10:12,815 Cows can have babies 239 00:10:12,815 --> 00:10:15,818 but women have minds as well as breasts, 240 00:10:15,818 --> 00:10:17,786 as well as sexual organs. 241 00:10:17,786 --> 00:10:20,556 And women are made to feel guilty 242 00:10:20,556 --> 00:10:22,825 if they really use their minds. 243 00:10:22,825 --> 00:10:25,193 We don't know. We don't know, you know. 244 00:10:25,193 --> 00:10:27,397 We really don't know what women can do, 245 00:10:27,397 --> 00:10:28,800 what women can be. 246 00:10:29,934 --> 00:10:33,001 MARY: My mother became pregnant at age 40. 247 00:10:33,001 --> 00:10:36,004 So, my mother's child, my sister, Elizabeth, 248 00:10:36,004 --> 00:10:39,775 was three months older than her nephew, Richard. 249 00:10:39,775 --> 00:10:42,610 And they grew up in the same playpen 250 00:10:42,610 --> 00:10:45,046 because as I began to work more often, 251 00:10:45,046 --> 00:10:47,649 my mother, who was now a sober person 252 00:10:47,649 --> 00:10:50,155 that I could count on, watched those two. 253 00:10:50,721 --> 00:10:51,853 I married very early. 254 00:10:51,853 --> 00:10:53,755 I married right after high school. 255 00:10:53,755 --> 00:10:59,762 And... I think that choice had to do with the pressure 256 00:10:59,762 --> 00:11:03,165 that was put on young women during the '50s, 257 00:11:03,165 --> 00:11:05,801 which said that the ultimate goal in life 258 00:11:05,801 --> 00:11:07,468 is marriage, children, 259 00:11:07,468 --> 00:11:10,172 and career if you can work it in. 260 00:11:10,172 --> 00:11:15,010 - (TELEPHONE RINGING) - ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 261 00:11:15,010 --> 00:11:17,412 - Hello. - MARY: Who's this? 262 00:11:17,412 --> 00:11:21,050 {\an8}This is Richard Diamond of the disintegrating Diamonds. 263 00:11:21,050 --> 00:11:22,885 {\an8}MARY: Well, at least you're awake. 264 00:11:22,885 --> 00:11:25,020 Don't take any money on it, Samuel. (EXHALES) 265 00:11:25,020 --> 00:11:27,022 MARY: You wanted me to make sure you were up. 266 00:11:27,022 --> 00:11:29,652 She's due at your home in about five minutes. 267 00:11:29,652 --> 00:11:32,261 - DAVID JANSSEN: Who's due? - MARY: Dorian Crane. 268 00:11:32,261 --> 00:11:36,164 She lives on the right side of the tracks in Beverly Hills. 269 00:11:36,164 --> 00:11:38,000 - Which side is that? - ♪ (SENTIMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 270 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,535 'Cause I did a really strange part. 271 00:11:39,535 --> 00:11:40,703 - DINAH: Did you? - Yeah. 272 00:11:40,703 --> 00:11:41,971 {\an8}- Because my-- - DINAH: Not in a porno! 273 00:11:41,971 --> 00:11:43,371 {\an8}- No, no. (CHUCKLES) No. - (DINAH CHUCKLES) 274 00:11:43,371 --> 00:11:45,207 {\an8}On a series called The Richard Diamond Show. 275 00:11:45,207 --> 00:11:46,775 {\an8}- Which starred David Janssen. - DINAH: Yeah. 276 00:11:46,775 --> 00:11:49,110 {\an8}MARY: I played his telephone operator. 277 00:11:49,110 --> 00:11:50,479 - DINAH: Oh! - MARY: But you never saw 278 00:11:50,479 --> 00:11:52,314 - my face. - DINAH: Never? 279 00:11:52,314 --> 00:11:54,116 MARY: Never. You just heard my voice. 280 00:11:54,116 --> 00:11:55,951 (IN A DEEP VOICE) Which was quite a few octaves lower 281 00:11:55,951 --> 00:11:57,347 than the voice you're used to hearing. 282 00:11:57,347 --> 00:11:59,354 - DINAH: Really? - Yes. Sexy Sam. 283 00:11:59,354 --> 00:12:01,689 DINAH: That's funny. They never saw your face? 284 00:12:01,689 --> 00:12:03,024 MARY: (IN NORMAL VOICE) Never saw my face. 285 00:12:03,024 --> 00:12:04,292 The most frustrating thing... 286 00:12:04,292 --> 00:12:05,828 - DINAH: That's not fair! - ...that I ever experienced. 287 00:12:05,828 --> 00:12:06,962 - DINAH: Well, are you-- - Yes, it was 288 00:12:06,962 --> 00:12:08,931 because this would've been such a letdown. 289 00:12:08,931 --> 00:12:10,131 - You-- - That's not a sexy face. 290 00:12:10,131 --> 00:12:11,700 - Yes. Oh, tell them. - Is this it? 291 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:15,040 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 292 00:12:19,110 --> 00:12:21,976 MARY: She became every male viewer's fantasy. 293 00:12:21,976 --> 00:12:26,014 And there was big hype about her because the producers decided 294 00:12:26,014 --> 00:12:30,986 to create some interest by not revealing who she was. 295 00:12:30,986 --> 00:12:35,558 Now I was making, for each episode, 85 dollars, 296 00:12:35,558 --> 00:12:36,991 and I decided that 297 00:12:36,991 --> 00:12:39,261 {\an8}because of all the attention that the character was getting, 298 00:12:39,261 --> 00:12:40,795 {\an8}that I should go in and ask for more. 299 00:12:40,795 --> 00:12:42,464 {\an8}And I did. I went into the producer's office 300 00:12:42,464 --> 00:12:45,034 {\an8}and I said, "I really, really think that I should get 301 00:12:45,034 --> 00:12:47,302 a little more money for this role that I'm playing." 302 00:12:47,302 --> 00:12:50,305 And without letting me finish the sentence, he said, 303 00:12:50,305 --> 00:12:53,708 "Do you know, my dear, anybody with a good pair of legs 304 00:12:53,708 --> 00:12:55,711 and a sultry voice can play this part 305 00:12:55,711 --> 00:12:57,679 so goodbye and good luck to you." 306 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:58,914 ♪ (ROMANTIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 307 00:12:58,914 --> 00:13:05,154 ♪ Ten cents a dance That's what they pay me ♪ 308 00:13:05,154 --> 00:13:11,459 ♪ Gosh, how they weigh me down ♪ 309 00:13:11,459 --> 00:13:18,528 ♪ Ten cents a dance Softies and rough guys ♪ 310 00:13:18,703 --> 00:13:24,205 ♪ Tough guys who tear my gown ♪ 311 00:13:24,205 --> 00:13:26,208 DINAH: Did you ever start out like everybody else, 312 00:13:26,208 --> 00:13:29,712 having frustrations and periods when you couldn't get... 313 00:13:29,712 --> 00:13:30,979 - Oh. - ...couldn't get arrested? 314 00:13:30,979 --> 00:13:32,381 - Many, many. - DINAH: Really? 315 00:13:32,381 --> 00:13:34,383 And when I could get arrested, it was on a television show 316 00:13:34,383 --> 00:13:37,686 that was probably really very badly done. 317 00:13:37,686 --> 00:13:40,656 {\an8}Carrying microfilm of government property 318 00:13:40,656 --> 00:13:42,685 {\an8}- is illegal. - (GASPS) 319 00:13:42,685 --> 00:13:46,093 You're under arrest, suspicion of espionage. 320 00:13:46,093 --> 00:13:48,691 - Vern, you can take her in now. - ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 321 00:13:48,691 --> 00:13:50,232 {\an8}MARY: I did a lot of those boring shows. 322 00:13:50,232 --> 00:13:51,933 {\an8}- ♪ (WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ - DINAH: I never heard of any job 323 00:13:51,933 --> 00:13:53,102 you didn't get. 324 00:13:53,102 --> 00:13:54,770 Well, there was one part I didn't get 325 00:13:54,770 --> 00:13:56,071 and I'm really very glad I didn't. 326 00:13:56,071 --> 00:13:58,339 It was to play the part of Danny Thomas's daughter. 327 00:13:58,339 --> 00:14:00,509 {\an8}- (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) - Now, ladies and gentlemen, 328 00:14:00,509 --> 00:14:01,777 a formal introduction please, 329 00:14:01,777 --> 00:14:04,046 {\an8}for our guest star, Mary Tyler Moore. 330 00:14:04,046 --> 00:14:09,250 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 331 00:14:09,250 --> 00:14:11,987 A few years ago, we auditioned a lot of young girls 332 00:14:11,987 --> 00:14:14,690 to play the part of my older daughter, Terry, 333 00:14:14,690 --> 00:14:15,724 in the family series. 334 00:14:15,724 --> 00:14:18,360 And Mary was one of the two finalists. 335 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,929 But it was left to me to have to tell her 336 00:14:20,929 --> 00:14:22,798 that she wasn't right for the part. 337 00:14:22,798 --> 00:14:25,801 - (SIGHS) - And I'd like you to see 338 00:14:25,801 --> 00:14:27,903 why she wasn't right for the part. 339 00:14:27,903 --> 00:14:30,172 - Come here. - (CLEARS THROAT) 340 00:14:30,172 --> 00:14:34,877 - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) - Now, tell the truth. 341 00:14:34,877 --> 00:14:36,979 Would anybody believe that that nose 342 00:14:36,979 --> 00:14:38,581 could be the father of that nose? 343 00:14:38,581 --> 00:14:40,515 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 344 00:14:40,515 --> 00:14:42,751 The day that I read for the part of Laura Petrie 345 00:14:42,751 --> 00:14:44,853 - on The Dick Van Dyke Show... - ♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) 346 00:14:44,853 --> 00:14:48,223 ...had followed a week of rejections, 347 00:14:48,223 --> 00:14:50,726 and I was having coffee with a friend, 348 00:14:50,726 --> 00:14:52,360 and my agent tracked me down and said, 349 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,163 "You've gotta get over and see Carl Reiner. 350 00:14:54,163 --> 00:14:55,797 He wants to read with you 351 00:14:55,797 --> 00:14:57,065 for the part of Dick Van Dyke's wife." 352 00:14:57,065 --> 00:14:58,667 And I said, "No, I'm not going. I'm sorry. 353 00:14:58,667 --> 00:15:00,201 I can't take any more rejections. 354 00:15:00,201 --> 00:15:02,503 You know I'm not gonna get that part." (CHUCKLES) 355 00:15:02,503 --> 00:15:06,376 I was terrified because it was my hero, 356 00:15:06,376 --> 00:15:07,342 Carl Reiner, 357 00:15:07,342 --> 00:15:10,746 who was the writer-producer of this show. 358 00:15:10,746 --> 00:15:12,213 {\an8}ROB REINER: The Dick Van Dyke Show 359 00:15:12,213 --> 00:15:15,183 {\an8}was originally a show for my father to star in. 360 00:15:15,183 --> 00:15:17,152 {\an8}- (LAUGHTER) - ROB: My father had been on television 361 00:15:17,152 --> 00:15:19,988 {\an8}for many years with Sid Caesar in the Show of Shows 362 00:15:19,988 --> 00:15:22,224 {\an8}- and Caesar's Hour, and then... - (VOCALIZES) 363 00:15:22,224 --> 00:15:23,491 ...when the show was over, 364 00:15:23,491 --> 00:15:26,795 he started writing a series for himself. 365 00:15:26,795 --> 00:15:28,030 {\an8}And he played the character 366 00:15:28,030 --> 00:15:30,232 {\an8}that Dick Van Dyke plays ultimately. 367 00:15:30,232 --> 00:15:32,067 It was called Head of the Family. 368 00:15:32,067 --> 00:15:35,470 They'd made the pilot and it didn't sell. 369 00:15:35,470 --> 00:15:37,973 And he had a meeting with Sheldon Leonard, 370 00:15:37,973 --> 00:15:39,440 with Danny Thomas and they said, 371 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,978 "The show is great but we gotta find a new you." 372 00:15:42,978 --> 00:15:45,247 So, they recommended Dick Van Dyke. 373 00:15:45,247 --> 00:15:47,482 And I'm glad Dick wound up doing it 374 00:15:47,482 --> 00:15:52,253 because it's what we say, "We take the comedy of the Jew 375 00:15:52,253 --> 00:15:55,194 and we push it through the goy." 376 00:15:56,260 --> 00:15:59,228 I never knew that there had been a prior pilot. 377 00:15:59,228 --> 00:16:01,863 So I went over there and thank God I did. 378 00:16:01,863 --> 00:16:03,532 {\an8}Do you remember me grabbing your head? 379 00:16:03,532 --> 00:16:04,699 {\an8}I think you got scared. 380 00:16:04,699 --> 00:16:06,935 {\an8}You thought I was gonna-- Because producers in those days, 381 00:16:06,935 --> 00:16:08,637 and maybe still, have a reputation 382 00:16:08,637 --> 00:16:09,971 of wanting something more than-- 383 00:16:09,971 --> 00:16:12,240 - GUEST 1: Bodies. Mm-hmm. - Yeah, something more than the talent. 384 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,843 And I heard her, there was a ping in her voice. 385 00:16:14,843 --> 00:16:16,745 You only read-- I read about 60 girls 386 00:16:16,745 --> 00:16:17,880 and I read the full script with 'em 387 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,181 - hoping to find something. - GUEST 2: Yeah. 388 00:16:19,181 --> 00:16:20,716 She read three lines. 389 00:16:20,716 --> 00:16:22,151 I don't like you. 390 00:16:22,151 --> 00:16:25,221 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 391 00:16:25,221 --> 00:16:27,055 At all! 392 00:16:27,055 --> 00:16:28,556 Three simple lines. There was such a ping 393 00:16:28,556 --> 00:16:30,562 - and an excitement and a reality to her. - GUEST 1: Really? 394 00:16:32,262 --> 00:16:34,758 RONA: What attracted you to Laura Petrie? 395 00:16:34,758 --> 00:16:36,532 The chance to work with Dick Van Dyke 396 00:16:36,532 --> 00:16:37,532 and Carl Reiner. 397 00:16:37,532 --> 00:16:40,770 I mean... (CHUCKLES) ...what more do you need? 398 00:16:40,770 --> 00:16:43,371 Carl, it was such a platonic love. 399 00:16:43,371 --> 00:16:46,174 - He was my father, my brother. - ♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 400 00:16:46,174 --> 00:16:50,412 MARY: He was my teacher, my member of the audience 401 00:16:50,412 --> 00:16:54,049 for whom I wanted to do the scene well. 402 00:16:54,049 --> 00:16:56,718 When I heard him laugh, that's all I needed. 403 00:16:56,718 --> 00:17:00,155 How often does my boss ask us over to his house? 404 00:17:00,155 --> 00:17:04,063 {\an8}How often is one called upon to be a responsible parent? 405 00:17:06,363 --> 00:17:08,496 {\an8}ROB: They just immediately gelled. 406 00:17:08,496 --> 00:17:10,465 - ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ - (PAN SIZZLING) 407 00:17:10,465 --> 00:17:12,835 The president of the network will be there. 408 00:17:12,835 --> 00:17:14,870 ROB: It was seamless. 409 00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:17,309 Well, then I think you should go. 410 00:17:17,875 --> 00:17:18,874 Oh, I mean it, honey. 411 00:17:18,874 --> 00:17:21,276 There's no sense both us staying home. 412 00:17:21,276 --> 00:17:23,112 After all, you have a responsibility 413 00:17:23,112 --> 00:17:25,114 to your work and I fully understand that. 414 00:17:25,114 --> 00:17:27,650 We just liked each other, right from the beginning. 415 00:17:27,650 --> 00:17:29,621 - You do? - Sure I do. 416 00:17:30,854 --> 00:17:33,688 - You don't mind if I go alone? - Not at all, darling. 417 00:17:33,688 --> 00:17:36,959 There was right away, a sense of being very comfortable 418 00:17:36,959 --> 00:17:38,860 in the humor that we shared. 419 00:17:38,860 --> 00:17:40,132 Well... 420 00:17:41,332 --> 00:17:43,064 It's just that I couldn't go to a party 421 00:17:43,064 --> 00:17:45,704 knowing my son was on the verge of being sick. 422 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:51,039 I couldn't enjoy myself. 423 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:53,174 Such chemistry. Such charisma. 424 00:17:53,174 --> 00:17:55,143 I watch the reruns of The Dick Van Dyke Show 425 00:17:55,143 --> 00:17:56,611 - and I remember every one of-- - (MARY CHUCKLES) 426 00:17:56,611 --> 00:17:58,147 - And I break up, you know? - MARY: I do too. 427 00:17:58,147 --> 00:17:59,347 I watch them every once in a while 428 00:17:59,347 --> 00:18:00,582 just before we do our show. 429 00:18:00,582 --> 00:18:02,117 I have a little television set in the trailer... 430 00:18:02,117 --> 00:18:03,251 - DINAH: Really? - ...and I catch it. 431 00:18:03,251 --> 00:18:04,353 But it's a little like 432 00:18:04,353 --> 00:18:06,321 the portrait of Dorian Gray in reverse. 433 00:18:06,321 --> 00:18:08,290 - DINAH: Oh, no. Oh, no. - I hate it. (LAUGHS) 434 00:18:08,290 --> 00:18:10,291 - I was such a baby then. - No, we're getting-- 435 00:18:10,291 --> 00:18:12,227 - Oh, we're getting better! - That's true. Yes! 436 00:18:12,227 --> 00:18:13,428 We look much better, don't you think? 437 00:18:13,428 --> 00:18:14,896 We're not getting older. We're getting better. 438 00:18:14,896 --> 00:18:17,099 - Right! Better and prettier! - (AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 439 00:18:17,099 --> 00:18:19,534 So, eat your hearts out, you 22-year-olds! 440 00:18:19,534 --> 00:18:21,469 - DINAH: Yes! Let's not forget... - (CHUCKLES) 441 00:18:21,469 --> 00:18:23,538 - ♪ (WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ - MARY: Going in, I knew I was in 442 00:18:23,538 --> 00:18:26,141 with a bunch of black belts in comedy 443 00:18:26,141 --> 00:18:29,110 and I had no real experience at it. 444 00:18:29,110 --> 00:18:31,413 I didn't know what I was doing. 445 00:18:31,413 --> 00:18:33,749 DICK VAN DYKE: There was no hint at all 446 00:18:33,749 --> 00:18:35,150 {\an8}that Mary could do comedy. 447 00:18:35,150 --> 00:18:37,119 {\an8}I said she may be the next Katharine Hepburn 448 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,320 {\an8}but I don't know... (CHUCKLES) ...about comedy. 449 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,154 {\an8}MARY: Early on, Carl saw some spark of humor in me. 450 00:18:44,154 --> 00:18:47,963 He wrote a script called My Blonde-Haired Brunette. 451 00:18:47,963 --> 00:18:50,398 That was my initiation. 452 00:18:50,398 --> 00:18:54,269 {\an8}- Oh, Millie, I'm getting old. - Oh, come on, Laura. 453 00:18:54,269 --> 00:18:56,371 {\an8}One gray hair isn't gonna make you old. 454 00:18:56,371 --> 00:18:59,041 {\an8}Yeah, well, it's not just a gray hair, 455 00:18:59,041 --> 00:19:01,243 it's Rob's whole attitude toward me. 456 00:19:01,243 --> 00:19:02,410 We each know exactly 457 00:19:02,410 --> 00:19:04,413 what the other is gonna think and do. 458 00:19:04,413 --> 00:19:07,015 There just aren't any more surprises left. 459 00:19:07,015 --> 00:19:10,953 - Well, you have to make them. - Well, how do you do that? 460 00:19:10,953 --> 00:19:13,255 Well, whenever Jerry starts taking me 461 00:19:13,255 --> 00:19:15,424 for granted, I have a simple remedy. 462 00:19:15,424 --> 00:19:17,927 - What? - I just bleach my hair. 463 00:19:17,927 --> 00:19:19,227 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 464 00:19:19,227 --> 00:19:22,467 Millie, do you think that if I bleach my hair that-- 465 00:19:22,900 --> 00:19:23,903 No I couldn't. 466 00:19:25,003 --> 00:19:26,035 Why not? 467 00:19:26,035 --> 00:19:28,938 Well, I don't think Rob would approve of me as a blonde. 468 00:19:28,938 --> 00:19:30,640 How does he feel about Marilyn Monroe 469 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:31,840 and Brigitte Bardot? 470 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,110 - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) - ♪ (SOFT PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 471 00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:36,681 Millie, I'll do it. 472 00:19:38,182 --> 00:19:43,588 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 473 00:19:45,824 --> 00:19:47,957 Why? Why would... 474 00:19:47,957 --> 00:19:51,359 {\an8}MARY: I had always been a big fan of Nanette Fabray, 475 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:52,995 {\an8}who worked with Carl Reiner 476 00:19:52,995 --> 00:19:55,230 {\an8}and Sid Caesar on the Show of Shows. 477 00:19:55,230 --> 00:19:58,033 {\an8}Twelve long glorious years of marriage, 478 00:19:58,033 --> 00:20:00,770 {\an8}twelve years out the window. 479 00:20:00,770 --> 00:20:01,969 (GLASS SHATTERS) 480 00:20:01,969 --> 00:20:04,973 MARY: And I loved her humor. I loved the way she cried. 481 00:20:04,973 --> 00:20:06,541 Who do you think you are anyway? 482 00:20:06,541 --> 00:20:10,006 - (SOBS HEAVILY) - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 483 00:20:10,006 --> 00:20:11,546 MARY: And so, when I was called upon 484 00:20:11,546 --> 00:20:14,083 to bring forth the tears in my scene, 485 00:20:14,083 --> 00:20:15,383 I'm not sure how much of it 486 00:20:15,383 --> 00:20:18,587 was out and out stolen from Miss Fabray. 487 00:20:18,587 --> 00:20:19,620 ...self? 488 00:20:19,620 --> 00:20:23,225 We are dyeing it back to its natural color. 489 00:20:23,225 --> 00:20:25,794 Laura's been a blonde all afternoon. 490 00:20:25,794 --> 00:20:29,164 MARY: And he wants to know why, what happened? 491 00:20:29,164 --> 00:20:31,733 - And then I try to tell him. - Honey, why? 492 00:20:31,733 --> 00:20:33,001 (WHIMPERS) "Why?" 493 00:20:33,001 --> 00:20:35,303 (GASPS) Well, yesterday morning, 494 00:20:35,303 --> 00:20:39,474 when I kissed you and you said, "Don't do that." 495 00:20:39,474 --> 00:20:44,479 And you came down to breakfast in your yucky shirt 496 00:20:44,479 --> 00:20:46,949 and all you do is... (MUMBLES INDISTINCTLY) 497 00:20:46,949 --> 00:20:49,918 And that proved that I could handle comedy. 498 00:20:49,918 --> 00:20:51,686 And the gray hair! 499 00:20:51,686 --> 00:20:54,990 {\an8}DICK: It was just fascinating to watch Mary Tyler Moore 500 00:20:54,990 --> 00:20:56,959 {\an8}just grasp it so quickly. 501 00:20:56,959 --> 00:20:58,527 ...yucky! (SOBS) 502 00:20:58,527 --> 00:20:59,661 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING, APPLAUDING) 503 00:20:59,661 --> 00:21:02,164 MARY: A housewife on a situation comedy 504 00:21:02,164 --> 00:21:04,534 had never been given the opportunity 505 00:21:04,534 --> 00:21:06,436 to do this kind of stuff. 506 00:21:06,436 --> 00:21:07,803 And it was at that point 507 00:21:07,803 --> 00:21:10,471 that Carl started writing show after show 508 00:21:10,471 --> 00:21:12,811 and scene after scene for me to be funny. 509 00:21:14,944 --> 00:21:18,413 {\an8}ROB: Mary and her being beautiful and being funny, 510 00:21:18,413 --> 00:21:21,517 {\an8}that combination was looked at as being unfeminine. 511 00:21:21,517 --> 00:21:24,620 {\an8}I mean, Lucy was a rarity 512 00:21:24,620 --> 00:21:27,289 {\an8}but even Lucy had to resort 513 00:21:27,289 --> 00:21:29,757 {\an8}to much more physical kind of stuff. 514 00:21:29,757 --> 00:21:33,698 {\an8}It wasn't thought of as a feminine thing to do. 515 00:21:34,664 --> 00:21:36,831 MARY: I was the voice of the audience. 516 00:21:36,831 --> 00:21:41,773 I was the single voice of sanity in amongst all these lunatics. 517 00:21:44,508 --> 00:21:46,174 YOUNG LARRY MATHEWS: Ellen's got a disease. 518 00:21:46,174 --> 00:21:48,911 Well, Ellen's got a temperature. I wouldn't call it a disease. 519 00:21:48,911 --> 00:21:51,513 Well, whatever she got, I hope I get it too. 520 00:21:51,513 --> 00:21:53,649 {\an8}LARRY MATHEWS: Mary was a combination to me 521 00:21:53,649 --> 00:21:55,684 {\an8}of a mother figure and a sister. 522 00:21:55,684 --> 00:21:58,553 {\an8}She would always take time if she saw me struggling. 523 00:21:58,553 --> 00:22:01,223 {\an8}It was important to Mary to have that connection, 524 00:22:01,223 --> 00:22:04,526 since I was playing her son, to me to be that child of hers. 525 00:22:04,526 --> 00:22:06,628 And I think it did help her through things. 526 00:22:06,628 --> 00:22:08,563 {\an8}BEVERLY SANDERS: She had Richie, her son, 527 00:22:08,563 --> 00:22:13,001 {\an8}but she and her husband had separated, 528 00:22:13,001 --> 00:22:14,569 {\an8}so she had to make a living 529 00:22:14,569 --> 00:22:16,132 - and she did. - ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 530 00:22:16,132 --> 00:22:17,639 - Sally, you know the bit. - I'll do it. 531 00:22:17,639 --> 00:22:19,542 - I need the chair and the hat. - TV ACTOR: I got it right here. 532 00:22:19,542 --> 00:22:21,777 (INDISTINCT CLAMORING) 533 00:22:21,777 --> 00:22:24,813 (CHUCKLES) Oh, your husband's awfully cute. 534 00:22:24,813 --> 00:22:27,550 He must be a lot of fun to live with. 535 00:22:27,550 --> 00:22:29,718 I laugh all day long. 536 00:22:29,718 --> 00:22:32,387 MARY: Laura actually had opinions of her own, 537 00:22:32,387 --> 00:22:35,118 and while she was asserting herself, 538 00:22:35,118 --> 00:22:37,192 she also didn't make Dick Van Dyke 539 00:22:37,192 --> 00:22:38,859 - look like a dummy. - ♪ (CHEERFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 540 00:22:38,859 --> 00:22:41,863 MARY: Society's expectations at that point still said, 541 00:22:41,863 --> 00:22:44,599 "Hey, wait a minute, lady, you'll only go so far here." 542 00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:47,769 I think we broke new ground and that was helped 543 00:22:47,769 --> 00:22:50,873 by my insistence on wearing pants. 544 00:22:50,873 --> 00:22:52,875 I said, "I've seen all the other actresses 545 00:22:52,875 --> 00:22:54,676 and they're always running the vacuum 546 00:22:54,676 --> 00:22:58,280 in these little flowered frocks with high heels on, 547 00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,547 and I don't do that, 548 00:22:59,547 --> 00:23:01,582 and I don't know any of my friends who do that. 549 00:23:01,582 --> 00:23:03,788 So, why don't we try to make this real?" 550 00:23:04,988 --> 00:23:09,024 {\an8}BEVERLY: She brought her own style into sitcoms. 551 00:23:09,024 --> 00:23:11,827 {\an8}She wore pants, which was the first time 552 00:23:11,827 --> 00:23:14,462 on television a woman wore pants. 553 00:23:14,462 --> 00:23:17,398 She brought that into the world. 554 00:23:17,398 --> 00:23:19,468 {\an8}BILL PERSKY: The network was horrified, 555 00:23:19,468 --> 00:23:22,970 {\an8}but Carl said, "No, this is what sells." 556 00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:27,475 MARY: The network asked that, when she does wear these pants, 557 00:23:27,475 --> 00:23:30,646 make sure they don't "cup under," 558 00:23:30,646 --> 00:23:33,614 so that you didn't see ass. 559 00:23:33,614 --> 00:23:37,252 {\an8}BILL: She wasn't someone at home waiting for him 560 00:23:37,252 --> 00:23:38,854 {\an8}to solve all the problems, 561 00:23:38,854 --> 00:23:40,923 - making dinner in high heels. - (WHISTLES) 562 00:23:40,923 --> 00:23:43,828 BILL: She was a contemporary woman. 563 00:23:45,329 --> 00:23:47,629 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 564 00:23:47,629 --> 00:23:50,798 {\an8}ROB: Mary was very private and very guarded. 565 00:23:50,798 --> 00:23:54,130 {\an8}But she gave something out, and whether it was not 566 00:23:54,130 --> 00:23:55,331 {\an8}- how she felt inside... - (YELPS) 567 00:23:55,331 --> 00:23:58,441 {\an8}...but the way she projected herself on screen, 568 00:23:58,441 --> 00:24:00,545 you just fell in love. 569 00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:04,245 (SCREAMS) 570 00:24:04,245 --> 00:24:05,513 Women liked me. 571 00:24:05,513 --> 00:24:07,582 They were not envious of the fact 572 00:24:07,582 --> 00:24:10,619 that their husbands had a crush on me. 573 00:24:10,619 --> 00:24:11,854 It was okay with them. 574 00:24:11,854 --> 00:24:13,288 When I would meet people, they'd say, 575 00:24:13,288 --> 00:24:16,559 "My husband loves you so much, and he thinks you're so sexy." 576 00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:17,959 And this was an odd thing 577 00:24:17,959 --> 00:24:21,664 because they were also able to identify with me as a friend. 578 00:24:21,664 --> 00:24:24,099 There was no resentment, no fear. 579 00:24:24,099 --> 00:24:26,705 ♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 580 00:24:31,308 --> 00:24:35,144 {\an8}♪ Mary, Mary Tyler Moore ♪ 581 00:24:35,144 --> 00:24:38,779 {\an8}♪ I would run a mile or more ♪ 582 00:24:38,779 --> 00:24:43,956 ♪ Just to get a smile Or more from you ♪ 583 00:24:45,823 --> 00:24:49,191 ♪ Mary, Mary Tyler Moore ♪ 584 00:24:49,191 --> 00:24:53,062 ♪ You're the image Of the lady next door ♪ 585 00:24:53,062 --> 00:24:56,764 ♪ Polishing the furniture Fussing in the cupboard ♪ 586 00:24:56,764 --> 00:25:00,101 ♪ Looking so adorable And you're Mother Hubbard ♪ 587 00:25:00,101 --> 00:25:02,337 - (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) - DANNY KAYE: ♪ Cookies in the oven ♪ 588 00:25:02,337 --> 00:25:04,073 ♪ Chicken in the pot ♪ 589 00:25:04,073 --> 00:25:06,475 - Mr. Kaye? - Yes, ma'am. 590 00:25:06,475 --> 00:25:08,310 - Thanks a lot. - ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 591 00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:09,477 {\an8}The winner in Hollywood 592 00:25:09,477 --> 00:25:11,246 {\an8}is Mary Tyler Moore for The Dick Van Dyke... 593 00:25:11,246 --> 00:25:16,021 - (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING, CHEERING) - ♪ (JOYOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 594 00:25:23,194 --> 00:25:25,593 - Oh! (CHUCKLES) - ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 595 00:25:25,593 --> 00:25:28,296 Oh, thank you so very, very much. 596 00:25:28,296 --> 00:25:30,298 I can't tell you how happy I am. 597 00:25:30,298 --> 00:25:32,535 And I wanna thank Dick and Rosie 598 00:25:32,535 --> 00:25:34,536 and Maury and Larry... 599 00:25:34,536 --> 00:25:37,005 (EXHALES) ...and Jerry, and Carl and Sheldon 600 00:25:37,005 --> 00:25:39,307 for making me look good. Thank you. 601 00:25:39,307 --> 00:25:44,183 - (AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) - ♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 602 00:25:47,652 --> 00:25:48,951 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 603 00:25:48,951 --> 00:25:52,187 {\an8}Was that you sort of up there, the sweet, giving, 604 00:25:52,187 --> 00:25:54,022 {\an8}kindly dispositioned woman? Or are you really 605 00:25:54,022 --> 00:25:55,657 - a wild mad swinger? - (CHUCKLES) 606 00:25:55,657 --> 00:25:57,426 I think I fall somewhere in between. 607 00:25:57,426 --> 00:25:58,960 I'm not sure just where. 608 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,530 But the disposition was a result of the writing of Carl Reiner, 609 00:26:02,530 --> 00:26:04,900 and the attitude was very often my own. 610 00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:06,968 I always tried to make the character as close 611 00:26:06,968 --> 00:26:09,571 to me and my own reactions as possible. 612 00:26:09,571 --> 00:26:11,839 Simply because it's easier to sustain a character 613 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:14,246 week after week after week if you do it that way. 614 00:26:15,313 --> 00:26:19,514 {\an8}♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 615 00:26:19,514 --> 00:26:22,385 MARY: Lucille Ball was our land lady. 616 00:26:22,385 --> 00:26:23,819 She owned Desilu. 617 00:26:23,819 --> 00:26:26,655 And we'd be rehearsing on the set 618 00:26:26,655 --> 00:26:28,991 and then we'd hear a laugh that wasn't coming 619 00:26:28,991 --> 00:26:31,060 - from the floor. - (LUCILLE BALL LAUGHING) 620 00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:33,495 MARY: We looked up and there she was 621 00:26:33,495 --> 00:26:34,796 on the catwalk. 622 00:26:34,796 --> 00:26:38,500 And she'd be up there watching us, just observing us. 623 00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:41,203 And I will never forget, one day, 624 00:26:41,203 --> 00:26:44,772 she came up to me and she said, "You're very good." 625 00:26:44,772 --> 00:26:47,279 That was the greatest gift I ever received. 626 00:26:48,613 --> 00:26:49,945 LUCILLE: Hi, this is Lucy. 627 00:26:49,945 --> 00:26:52,613 {\an8}For my money, one of the brightest young talents 628 00:26:52,613 --> 00:26:54,716 {\an8}to have appeared on the television horizons 629 00:26:54,716 --> 00:26:57,586 {\an8}in the last few years is a vivacious, 630 00:26:57,586 --> 00:26:59,154 {\an8}Emmy award-winning brunette 631 00:26:59,154 --> 00:27:03,458 {\an8}from The Dick Van Dyke Show, Mary Tyler Moore. 632 00:27:03,458 --> 00:27:05,093 - Hi, Mary. - MARY: How are you, Lucy? 633 00:27:05,093 --> 00:27:07,496 LUCILLE: I am very, very happy to see you today 634 00:27:07,496 --> 00:27:09,398 and I mean sincerely what I said 635 00:27:09,398 --> 00:27:11,599 about your being one of the brightest young talents 636 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:13,435 I have ever seen in the industry. 637 00:27:13,435 --> 00:27:16,337 I guess you're kind of aware of my admiration for you 638 00:27:16,337 --> 00:27:19,341 because through the years, I've sort of sent wavelengths 639 00:27:19,341 --> 00:27:21,043 - your way. (CHUCKLES) - MARY: You are awfully kind. 640 00:27:21,043 --> 00:27:24,179 I have been made aware of it and I'm thrilled. 641 00:27:24,179 --> 00:27:25,680 Believe me, I am. 642 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,115 LUCILLE: Now then, about your husband. 643 00:27:27,115 --> 00:27:29,418 You have a very handsome husband, Mary. 644 00:27:29,418 --> 00:27:31,119 - MARY: Oh, thank you. - LUCILLE: He is as handsome 645 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,822 as you are beautiful. And you are beautiful, 646 00:27:33,822 --> 00:27:35,524 - inside and out. - MARY: Thank you. 647 00:27:35,524 --> 00:27:36,859 LUCILLE: How long have you been married? 648 00:27:36,859 --> 00:27:38,259 MARY: Two years. A little over two years. 649 00:27:38,259 --> 00:27:40,328 - LUCILLE: Mm-hmm. - MARY: He's a wonderful person. 650 00:27:40,328 --> 00:27:42,397 - ♪ (SENTIMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ - MARY: I had just separated 651 00:27:42,397 --> 00:27:45,634 and was about to be divorced from my first husband. 652 00:27:45,634 --> 00:27:47,837 Grant was with the advertising agency 653 00:27:47,837 --> 00:27:49,737 that then handled Procter & Gamble. 654 00:27:49,737 --> 00:27:52,841 So, he was a sometime visitor to the set, 655 00:27:52,841 --> 00:27:54,504 although his office was really in New York 656 00:27:54,504 --> 00:27:56,378 and we were working in Los Angeles. 657 00:27:56,378 --> 00:27:59,449 {\an8}GRANT TINKER: I came out here to see them shoot the pilot 658 00:27:59,449 --> 00:28:02,384 {\an8}and met Mary on the set. 659 00:28:02,384 --> 00:28:04,714 She was dynamite, and what was great about her 660 00:28:04,714 --> 00:28:08,890 was that she wasn't actressy, she was a real person. 661 00:28:08,890 --> 00:28:10,859 And I just fell in love with her. 662 00:28:10,859 --> 00:28:13,094 MARY: There was definitely an attraction. 663 00:28:13,094 --> 00:28:17,032 He asked me to have dinner. It was in fact the same day 664 00:28:17,032 --> 00:28:18,694 that it was announced in the trade papers 665 00:28:18,694 --> 00:28:21,069 that I had separated from my husband and I said, 666 00:28:21,069 --> 00:28:22,504 "Well, I don't think I should. 667 00:28:22,504 --> 00:28:26,875 I think some time should elapse before I begin to see people." 668 00:28:26,875 --> 00:28:28,409 About a month later, I was told 669 00:28:28,409 --> 00:28:31,814 that I was expected to go to New York on a publicity tour, 670 00:28:31,814 --> 00:28:34,682 and I found out that it was maneuvered 671 00:28:34,682 --> 00:28:37,085 by Grant Tinker. He is the one who said, 672 00:28:37,085 --> 00:28:38,781 "She needs to come to New York to do... 673 00:28:38,781 --> 00:28:41,089 (CHUCKLES) ...some publicity," which is where he was, 674 00:28:41,089 --> 00:28:44,025 and it was love at first meeting. 675 00:28:44,025 --> 00:28:48,130 GRANT: And out of that meeting, came a relationship that grew 676 00:28:48,130 --> 00:28:53,168 {\an8}and by this time I was divorced, and ultimately we were married. 677 00:28:53,168 --> 00:28:56,004 {\an8}MARY: It felt very, very special. 678 00:28:56,004 --> 00:28:58,474 {\an8}Not only were we alike in many ways 679 00:28:58,474 --> 00:29:00,941 and attracted to each other, 680 00:29:00,941 --> 00:29:06,448 but there was this recognition of drive that each had. 681 00:29:06,448 --> 00:29:08,183 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 682 00:29:08,183 --> 00:29:11,219 {\an8}How can a woman be wed to two forces in life? 683 00:29:11,219 --> 00:29:13,956 {\an8}In other words, you're only half married 684 00:29:13,956 --> 00:29:15,825 if you're in show business 685 00:29:15,825 --> 00:29:17,926 because that demands so much of your ego, 686 00:29:17,926 --> 00:29:19,695 so much investment of your energy. 687 00:29:19,695 --> 00:29:20,862 I don't think so. 688 00:29:20,862 --> 00:29:23,198 I think I could waste an awful lot more energy 689 00:29:23,198 --> 00:29:26,101 sitting at home, having nothing to do, 690 00:29:26,101 --> 00:29:28,170 other than just talk with the girls 691 00:29:28,170 --> 00:29:32,942 about what gossip they've heard or just chase after the kids 692 00:29:32,942 --> 00:29:35,010 instead of spending time with my son 693 00:29:35,010 --> 00:29:37,012 because I know we don't have as much time 694 00:29:37,012 --> 00:29:39,079 as most parents and children have. 695 00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:41,050 - I make good use of that time. - ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 696 00:29:41,050 --> 00:29:42,852 - MARY: I don't waste it. - SUSSKIND: Don't you think 697 00:29:42,852 --> 00:29:44,452 working mothers, whatever their jobs, 698 00:29:44,452 --> 00:29:47,483 sort of shortchange their children emotionally, 699 00:29:47,483 --> 00:29:48,523 - or even just physically? - Hmm. 700 00:29:48,523 --> 00:29:50,725 SUSSKIND: They're not there enough of the time. 701 00:29:50,725 --> 00:29:52,327 - They're not together. - I guess, sometimes-- 702 00:29:52,327 --> 00:29:53,195 They're not relating. 703 00:29:53,195 --> 00:29:54,562 - They're not-- - Sometimes it happens 704 00:29:54,562 --> 00:29:56,031 but I don't let it happen that way. 705 00:29:56,031 --> 00:29:58,099 I refuse to travel without-- 706 00:29:58,099 --> 00:30:00,368 I refuse to be separated from my husband. 707 00:30:00,368 --> 00:30:02,571 And I'm very blessed. I'm very lucky in that 708 00:30:02,571 --> 00:30:04,873 I have been able to work out a career 709 00:30:04,873 --> 00:30:07,208 and still hold to this. 710 00:30:07,208 --> 00:30:09,878 {\an8}JOHN TINKER: I knew that my stepmother was famous. 711 00:30:09,878 --> 00:30:11,312 {\an8}I had little interest in that 712 00:30:11,312 --> 00:30:13,081 {\an8}but I really wanted to get to know Mary 713 00:30:13,081 --> 00:30:16,719 and thought that she was a very natural parent 714 00:30:16,719 --> 00:30:18,286 with me and my siblings 715 00:30:18,286 --> 00:30:20,392 and a little less so with Richie. 716 00:30:21,693 --> 00:30:23,292 Is this too much? 717 00:30:23,292 --> 00:30:25,126 JOHN: I think there may have been some tension 718 00:30:25,126 --> 00:30:27,129 and some guilt on Mary's part. 719 00:30:27,129 --> 00:30:30,199 She tried but the vicissitudes of that business 720 00:30:30,199 --> 00:30:33,468 just require long hours and long absences. 721 00:30:33,468 --> 00:30:36,238 Rich had so little interest about the business 722 00:30:36,238 --> 00:30:38,473 and watching his mom practice her craft 723 00:30:38,473 --> 00:30:42,677 that there was a lot less time spent together. 724 00:30:42,677 --> 00:30:46,882 {\an8}I know he liked spending a lot of time with his dad. 725 00:30:46,882 --> 00:30:48,784 {\an8}And they went fishing and hunting, 726 00:30:48,784 --> 00:30:50,720 {\an8}and that was far more Richie's speed 727 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,415 {\an8}than being in a studio. 728 00:30:52,415 --> 00:30:54,089 {\an8}LARRY: When he came on set, 729 00:30:54,089 --> 00:30:56,992 {\an8}I think he was so excited to be around Mom. 730 00:30:56,992 --> 00:30:58,393 {\an8}I always loved when Richie was there. 731 00:30:58,393 --> 00:31:00,562 {\an8}Richie was able to bring out the bad boy in me, 732 00:31:00,562 --> 00:31:03,065 running around the rafters, running behind the scenes, 733 00:31:03,065 --> 00:31:04,434 sneaking a cigarette. 734 00:31:04,434 --> 00:31:06,001 So, we were pretty devious 735 00:31:06,001 --> 00:31:09,208 about what we were doing at the time, just being kids. 736 00:31:14,612 --> 00:31:15,978 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 737 00:31:15,978 --> 00:31:17,680 ♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 738 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,950 ♪ I'm deep just like a chasm ♪ 739 00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:26,221 ♪ I've no enthusiasm ♪ 740 00:31:26,221 --> 00:31:30,195 ♪ I'm bored when I'm adored ♪ 741 00:31:30,728 --> 00:31:35,030 ♪ I'm blasé! ♪ 742 00:31:35,030 --> 00:31:38,400 MARY: That era was an unenlightened time in which 743 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,436 most women felt that the only thing they could do 744 00:31:41,436 --> 00:31:43,606 with their lives was to serve their husbands 745 00:31:43,606 --> 00:31:45,207 and children. 746 00:31:45,207 --> 00:31:47,738 I still believe in marriage and children, 747 00:31:47,738 --> 00:31:49,806 but also looking at yourself and saying, 748 00:31:49,806 --> 00:31:52,014 "Hey, if I have something else to contribute, 749 00:31:52,014 --> 00:31:54,283 I can figure out a way to do that, 750 00:31:54,283 --> 00:31:56,218 and I can figure out a way to get my husband 751 00:31:56,218 --> 00:31:59,921 to help me do it and my children to help me do it too." 752 00:31:59,921 --> 00:32:03,292 Laura Petrie led a very dull life, didn't she? 753 00:32:03,292 --> 00:32:06,094 - RONA: Yeah. It-- - I think looking back. 754 00:32:06,094 --> 00:32:07,632 - RONA: You think so? - Yeah. 755 00:32:08,432 --> 00:32:09,764 I mean, she didn't really light up 756 00:32:09,764 --> 00:32:12,768 until Rob walked in the door and tripped over the ottoman. 757 00:32:12,768 --> 00:32:14,837 - (LAUGHS) - (RONA LAUGHS) 758 00:32:14,837 --> 00:32:17,138 - So, she depended upon a man? - Right. 759 00:32:17,138 --> 00:32:20,404 RONA: And in parallel situation in your life, 760 00:32:20,404 --> 00:32:21,476 you depended upon a man. 761 00:32:21,476 --> 00:32:24,746 Yeah, except that I always had the work too. 762 00:32:24,746 --> 00:32:27,349 - ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ - DICK: We're now off the air. 763 00:32:27,349 --> 00:32:31,219 {\an8}To all intents and purposes, we stopped shooting our show. 764 00:32:31,219 --> 00:32:33,722 That little group of people down there at our table 765 00:32:33,722 --> 00:32:36,324 know how gratified I am to them. 766 00:32:36,324 --> 00:32:38,894 {\an8}You know, the first day, Carl said, "Five years is it. 767 00:32:38,894 --> 00:32:40,891 {\an8}If we go five years, that's all, 768 00:32:40,891 --> 00:32:43,065 {\an8}because you get repetitive. You get stale." 769 00:32:43,065 --> 00:32:44,733 {\an8}None of us really wanted to quit. 770 00:32:44,733 --> 00:32:47,302 I've often been blamed for taking the show off the air. 771 00:32:47,302 --> 00:32:49,370 (CHUCKLES) I had nothing to do with it. 772 00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:51,907 {\an8}In Hollywood, the winner is Mary Tyler Moore. 773 00:32:51,907 --> 00:32:55,380 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING, CHEERING) 774 00:33:01,051 --> 00:33:02,217 Oh, gosh! 775 00:33:02,217 --> 00:33:04,786 Of course I wanna thank the Academy 776 00:33:04,786 --> 00:33:06,521 for giving me this great honor. 777 00:33:06,521 --> 00:33:09,824 But I wanna also wanna take this opportunity publicly 778 00:33:09,824 --> 00:33:13,095 to thank everybody connected with The Dick Van Dyke Show 779 00:33:13,095 --> 00:33:16,397 for five of the happiest years of my life. 780 00:33:16,397 --> 00:33:19,735 There's never gonna be another occasion like that again. 781 00:33:19,735 --> 00:33:21,136 And this is gonna serve always 782 00:33:21,136 --> 00:33:22,804 to be the most wonderful reminder 783 00:33:22,804 --> 00:33:24,906 of that experience. Thank you. 784 00:33:24,906 --> 00:33:28,676 (AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 785 00:33:28,676 --> 00:33:31,480 {\an8}BILL: They turned down incredible offers 786 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,016 {\an8}from the network to continue the show. 787 00:33:34,016 --> 00:33:36,184 MARY: Dick had done Mary Poppins 788 00:33:36,184 --> 00:33:40,288 and was anxious to go on and try other movies. 789 00:33:40,288 --> 00:33:42,958 Carl was writing a Broadway play. 790 00:33:42,958 --> 00:33:44,559 It was devastating to me 791 00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:47,562 because it was the end of a family. 792 00:33:47,562 --> 00:33:49,731 - ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ - BEVERLY: Van Dyke 793 00:33:49,731 --> 00:33:51,099 {\an8}went off the air 794 00:33:51,099 --> 00:33:53,501 {\an8}and she, of course, thought her life was over 795 00:33:53,501 --> 00:33:56,138 because, you know, what was she gonna do? 796 00:33:56,138 --> 00:33:58,006 SUSSKIND: You said that you would have no regrets 797 00:33:58,006 --> 00:33:59,507 in leaving The Dick Van Dyke Show 798 00:33:59,507 --> 00:34:02,611 {\an8}because you were sort of tired of playing Miss Goodie-Goodie. 799 00:34:02,611 --> 00:34:05,513 - That you were always ordering milkshakes in public. - Oh. No. (CHUCKLES) 800 00:34:05,513 --> 00:34:07,648 And now, you could have straight scotch. 801 00:34:07,648 --> 00:34:10,819 Oh, goodness! Now, you see-- Now, it probably took me 802 00:34:10,819 --> 00:34:12,354 two and a half hours to say that, 803 00:34:12,354 --> 00:34:14,089 and they capsulized it down to a point 804 00:34:14,089 --> 00:34:16,025 where I sounded really terribly shocking 805 00:34:16,025 --> 00:34:18,593 and dismal and kind of bitter about life. 806 00:34:18,593 --> 00:34:20,329 I assure you I'm not. And I assure you 807 00:34:20,329 --> 00:34:21,563 that I miss every one of the people 808 00:34:21,563 --> 00:34:23,165 on The Van Dyke Show desperately. 809 00:34:23,165 --> 00:34:25,668 They became my good friends. My only friends. 810 00:34:25,668 --> 00:34:27,269 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 811 00:34:27,269 --> 00:34:30,639 ♪ (MELLOW MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 812 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:32,273 {\an8}BILL: When she left The Van Dyke Show, 813 00:34:32,273 --> 00:34:35,610 {\an8}Universal Pictures gave her a five-picture deal, 814 00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:40,515 {\an8}and the unprecedented condition that she had the right to refuse 815 00:34:40,515 --> 00:34:43,118 what pictures she didn't wanna do. 816 00:34:43,118 --> 00:34:46,088 So, that was a very powerful position 817 00:34:46,088 --> 00:34:48,356 that she could never be in anything 818 00:34:48,356 --> 00:34:50,392 she didn't feel was right for her. 819 00:34:50,392 --> 00:34:53,128 Her first picture was Thoroughly Modern Millie, 820 00:34:53,128 --> 00:34:56,431 where she played a co-star with Julie Andrews. 821 00:34:56,431 --> 00:34:59,268 {\an8}So, that was her entry into movies. 822 00:34:59,268 --> 00:35:02,307 {\an8}She wasn't a star but she had a great part. 823 00:35:03,773 --> 00:35:06,475 Well, I'm looking for life, raw and real. 824 00:35:06,475 --> 00:35:08,978 I'm going to be an actress on the stage. 825 00:35:08,978 --> 00:35:11,146 An actress? How exciting. 826 00:35:11,146 --> 00:35:14,249 Yes, but I've got to live a lot first. 827 00:35:14,249 --> 00:35:16,085 You should do very well on the stage. 828 00:35:16,085 --> 00:35:18,323 Pictures too. You're very pretty. 829 00:35:18,757 --> 00:35:20,155 (SIGHS) 830 00:35:20,155 --> 00:35:24,125 {\an8}- (INDISTINCT CHATTER) - BILL: After that film, 831 00:35:24,125 --> 00:35:27,462 {\an8}she got an offer to play Holly Golightly 832 00:35:27,462 --> 00:35:31,199 in a musical version of Breakfast at Tiffany's. 833 00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:35,403 And it was everything she ever dreamed of. 834 00:35:35,403 --> 00:35:38,273 - ♪ (SENTIMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ - BILL: Mary always wanted 835 00:35:38,273 --> 00:35:39,707 to be on Broadway, 836 00:35:39,707 --> 00:35:43,511 but Universal would not let her out of her contract to do it. 837 00:35:43,511 --> 00:35:46,514 And she said, "What if I give up the right 838 00:35:46,514 --> 00:35:51,119 to approve of the pictures I do, and you can put me in anything." 839 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,221 And that was very attractive to them. 840 00:35:53,221 --> 00:35:55,390 So, they let her do the show. 841 00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:58,793 - ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ - (FILM PROJECTOR RUNNING) 842 00:35:58,793 --> 00:36:03,994 - ♪ (MELLOW MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ - (RAIN PATTERING) 843 00:36:03,994 --> 00:36:06,068 {\an8}JIM BURROWS: I was the playwright's son. 844 00:36:06,068 --> 00:36:07,803 {\an8}I said, "Can I work on the show?" 845 00:36:07,803 --> 00:36:08,969 {\an8}And he said, "Sure." 846 00:36:08,969 --> 00:36:12,040 {\an8}So, I became the assistant to the assistant stage manager. 847 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,642 It was not my dad's best work 848 00:36:14,642 --> 00:36:18,247 but he had Mary Tyler Moore, Richard Chamberlain, 849 00:36:18,247 --> 00:36:19,915 two of the biggest stars in television, 850 00:36:19,915 --> 00:36:21,451 who would sell tickets. 851 00:36:21,451 --> 00:36:23,218 We opened in Philadelphia. 852 00:36:23,218 --> 00:36:25,086 MARY: (OVER MIC) Infinitely sweeter! 853 00:36:25,086 --> 00:36:27,226 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 854 00:36:28,721 --> 00:36:29,691 {\an8}(MARY CLEARS THROAT) 855 00:36:29,691 --> 00:36:34,295 {\an8}♪ A girl should hide in this world of men ♪ 856 00:36:34,295 --> 00:36:36,732 ♪ A breakfast at Tiffany's ♪ 857 00:36:36,732 --> 00:36:41,403 ♪ Now and then To make them feel ♪ 858 00:36:41,403 --> 00:36:43,839 ♪ There are solid things... ♪ 859 00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:45,006 JIM: She was wonderful. 860 00:36:45,006 --> 00:36:48,509 She had been a dancer before, so she had stage presence. 861 00:36:48,509 --> 00:36:50,879 And then the producer, David Merrick, decided 862 00:36:50,879 --> 00:36:53,148 that he was gonna fire my father 863 00:36:53,148 --> 00:36:56,118 and replace him with Edward Albee. 864 00:36:56,118 --> 00:36:57,352 And I said to my dad, 865 00:36:57,352 --> 00:36:59,783 "Can I book passage on the Titanic?" 866 00:36:59,783 --> 00:37:00,722 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 867 00:37:00,722 --> 00:37:03,091 JIM: We opened for previews on Broadway 868 00:37:03,091 --> 00:37:05,593 and it was an utter disaster. 869 00:37:05,593 --> 00:37:07,062 In the audience, you heard somebody say, 870 00:37:07,062 --> 00:37:08,663 "Why don't you write a better show?" 871 00:37:08,663 --> 00:37:11,133 So, Mary would come off in the wings 872 00:37:11,133 --> 00:37:12,467 and she was weeping. 873 00:37:12,467 --> 00:37:15,574 She was sad for a long time. It was a bad experience. 874 00:37:17,141 --> 00:37:18,306 {\an8}MARY: It was a disaster. 875 00:37:18,306 --> 00:37:20,879 {\an8}Just awful. Everything fell apart. 876 00:37:22,179 --> 00:37:24,213 INTERVIEWER: Mr. Merrick, what went wrong? 877 00:37:24,213 --> 00:37:25,480 DAVID MERRICK: Just not a very good show. 878 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,682 That sometimes happens on Broadway. 879 00:37:27,682 --> 00:37:30,119 {\an8}INTERVIEWER: Truman Capote, who wrote the original book 880 00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:32,554 {\an8}from which the musical was adapted, 881 00:37:32,554 --> 00:37:34,356 said he didn't like the score 882 00:37:34,356 --> 00:37:36,424 and he didn't like the leading lady. 883 00:37:36,424 --> 00:37:37,760 Well, I disagree with him on that. 884 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,028 I think the score was good and I'm-- 885 00:37:40,028 --> 00:37:41,463 I like the leading lady very much 886 00:37:41,463 --> 00:37:42,830 and I'm going with Mary Tyler Moore 887 00:37:42,830 --> 00:37:45,334 and I'm going to try to find another play for her. 888 00:37:45,334 --> 00:37:46,735 {\an8}♪ (MELANCHOLIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 889 00:37:46,735 --> 00:37:51,573 {\an8}BILL: Mary was the reason that all of the New York press, 890 00:37:51,573 --> 00:37:54,944 {\an8}"Well, it shows you can't take a television star..." 891 00:37:54,944 --> 00:37:57,445 {\an8}And she was brutalized. 892 00:37:57,445 --> 00:37:58,883 MARY: That was a very difficult... 893 00:37:59,449 --> 00:38:00,915 part of my life then. 894 00:38:00,915 --> 00:38:03,952 {\an8}BILL: And on top of it, Universal could put her 895 00:38:03,952 --> 00:38:06,354 {\an8}in whatever pictures they wanted her to be in. 896 00:38:06,354 --> 00:38:09,491 {\an8}So, she played a couple of meaningless roles. 897 00:38:09,491 --> 00:38:11,459 {\an8}ANNOUNCER: It stars Mary Tyler Moore. 898 00:38:11,459 --> 00:38:12,828 {\an8}MARY: Well, don't just stand there. 899 00:38:12,828 --> 00:38:15,197 Zip me up while I put on my stockings. 900 00:38:15,197 --> 00:38:18,403 {\an8}That's the way you kiss your sister? 901 00:38:19,303 --> 00:38:20,601 {\an8}You gotta be kidding. 902 00:38:20,601 --> 00:38:24,376 {\an8}I'm a member of the Order of the Little Sisters of Mary. 903 00:38:26,778 --> 00:38:28,443 {\an8}BILL: She had gone from being 904 00:38:28,443 --> 00:38:31,879 {\an8}the most popular woman in America 905 00:38:31,879 --> 00:38:36,251 {\an8}to being a has-been in three and a half, four years. 906 00:38:36,251 --> 00:38:38,387 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 907 00:38:38,387 --> 00:38:41,156 ♪ (SOFT PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 908 00:38:41,156 --> 00:38:43,591 MARY: We came back to Los Angeles 909 00:38:43,591 --> 00:38:47,423 with three tails between our legs. (CHUCKLES) 910 00:38:47,423 --> 00:38:51,700 But it was about at that time that I had a miscarriage. 911 00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:53,602 And when I was in the hospital 912 00:38:53,602 --> 00:38:56,366 for the routine procedures that follow, 913 00:38:56,366 --> 00:39:00,370 they discovered that while normal blood sugar levels 914 00:39:00,370 --> 00:39:05,514 are to be somewhere between 70 and 110, mine was 750. 915 00:39:05,514 --> 00:39:08,216 And they were amazed that I was still walking around. 916 00:39:08,216 --> 00:39:09,684 And to this day, they don't know 917 00:39:09,684 --> 00:39:12,958 which came first, the miscarriage or the diabetes. 918 00:39:15,025 --> 00:39:17,226 I don't know how I got through that year. 919 00:39:17,226 --> 00:39:19,064 It shook me to my core. 920 00:39:22,033 --> 00:39:22,864 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 921 00:39:22,864 --> 00:39:25,367 - (FILM PROJECTOR RUNNING) - (DRUM ROLL) 922 00:39:25,367 --> 00:39:26,935 ANNOUNCER: Tonight, "Dick Van Dyke 923 00:39:26,935 --> 00:39:29,939 and the Other Woman," Mary Tyler Moore. 924 00:39:29,939 --> 00:39:31,641 - (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) - ♪ (MELLOW MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 925 00:39:31,641 --> 00:39:33,008 {\an8}BILL: We were doing these specials 926 00:39:33,008 --> 00:39:35,744 {\an8}for Dick Van Dyke, one a year, and I said to Dick, 927 00:39:35,744 --> 00:39:39,547 {\an8}"It's now four years since you and Mary have been together. 928 00:39:39,547 --> 00:39:42,417 I think it would be a great idea to have a reunion show. 929 00:39:42,417 --> 00:39:45,020 And also, I think Mary could use it." 930 00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:48,689 So, we did a show and in it, we really featured Mary. 931 00:39:48,689 --> 00:39:51,526 And normally that phrase, "the other woman," 932 00:39:51,526 --> 00:39:53,229 implies a relationship between two people 933 00:39:53,229 --> 00:39:54,396 which might be 934 00:39:54,396 --> 00:39:57,865 - considered unsavory. - Yeah. 935 00:39:57,865 --> 00:40:00,769 But of course, the relationship between Mary and myself is... 936 00:40:00,769 --> 00:40:03,204 is, of course, completely savory. 937 00:40:03,204 --> 00:40:04,807 - Completely. - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 938 00:40:04,807 --> 00:40:06,541 Actually, when we were doing the series, 939 00:40:06,541 --> 00:40:08,477 people thought we were married. (CHUCKLES) 940 00:40:08,477 --> 00:40:10,946 Oh, boy! So much so that, I often had trouble 941 00:40:10,946 --> 00:40:13,648 checking into a hotel with my real wife, Margie. 942 00:40:13,648 --> 00:40:15,183 And I had trouble checking into a hotel 943 00:40:15,183 --> 00:40:17,553 - with my real husband, Grant. - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 944 00:40:17,553 --> 00:40:18,686 And Margie and Grant 945 00:40:18,686 --> 00:40:20,188 had trouble checking in anywhere. (CHUCKLES) 946 00:40:20,188 --> 00:40:22,224 - ♪ (FUNKY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ - ♪ If they could see me now ♪ 947 00:40:22,224 --> 00:40:23,926 ♪ Those noble suffragettes... ♪ 948 00:40:23,926 --> 00:40:25,761 They gave me a wonderful opportunity 949 00:40:25,761 --> 00:40:27,829 to sing and dance and clown. 950 00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:31,866 ♪ We got the situation Firmly in hand ♪ 951 00:40:31,866 --> 00:40:35,705 ♪ The weaker sex controls The wealth of the land ♪ 952 00:40:35,705 --> 00:40:37,172 ♪ (SOFT PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 953 00:40:37,172 --> 00:40:40,610 BILL: The show went on the air, got huge ratings, great reviews, 954 00:40:40,610 --> 00:40:42,744 very happy that we did it. 955 00:40:42,744 --> 00:40:45,947 They suddenly rediscovered Mary Tyler Moore. 956 00:40:45,947 --> 00:40:49,817 MARY: CBS noted how successful it was 957 00:40:49,817 --> 00:40:52,388 and they asked me if I wanted to do my own show. 958 00:40:52,388 --> 00:40:53,854 To which I said yes. 959 00:40:53,854 --> 00:40:56,825 - (TELEPHONE RINGING) - ♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 960 00:40:56,825 --> 00:40:58,561 {\an8}BEVERLY: She called me and she was screaming 961 00:40:58,561 --> 00:41:00,061 {\an8}into the phone and I said, 962 00:41:00,061 --> 00:41:03,433 {\an8}"Stop screaming. What?" And of course she got her break. 963 00:41:03,433 --> 00:41:05,666 It's like God took over. 964 00:41:05,666 --> 00:41:09,471 For Mary to step off of that show and into 965 00:41:09,471 --> 00:41:12,941 The Mary Tyler Moore Show was really something. 966 00:41:12,941 --> 00:41:13,942 She was scared. 967 00:41:13,942 --> 00:41:17,480 But to be on a series of her own, 968 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,148 there wasn't any discussion. 969 00:41:19,148 --> 00:41:21,449 - She was just perfect for it. - ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 970 00:41:21,449 --> 00:41:24,854 {\an8}- ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ - (MEOWS) 971 00:41:24,854 --> 00:41:27,489 MARY: My husband thought that it would be wise 972 00:41:27,489 --> 00:41:29,924 to form a company that he could manage 973 00:41:29,924 --> 00:41:34,429 and that I could use as the foundation for a commitment. 974 00:41:34,429 --> 00:41:36,431 - It was 22 episodes. - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 975 00:41:36,431 --> 00:41:38,434 - (INDISTINCT CHATTER OVER SPEAKERS) - ANNOUNCER: It was Grant Tinker 976 00:41:38,434 --> 00:41:39,867 who hired Jim Brooks 977 00:41:39,867 --> 00:41:43,672 along with Alan Burns to produce The Mary Tyler Moore Show. 978 00:41:43,672 --> 00:41:45,273 {\an8}JAMES L. BROOKS: Every male comedy writer 979 00:41:45,273 --> 00:41:49,244 {\an8}of that time had had a crush on Mary Tyler Moore. 980 00:41:49,244 --> 00:41:50,980 {\an8}She was our dream girl. 981 00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:52,147 (INAUDIBLE CHATTER) 982 00:41:52,147 --> 00:41:54,583 {\an8}ALLAN BURNS: She represented everything you wanted. 983 00:41:54,583 --> 00:41:57,552 {\an8}Her intelligence, she gets it so quickly. 984 00:41:57,552 --> 00:42:01,023 Hardly anybody knows comedy like she does. 985 00:42:01,023 --> 00:42:02,157 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 986 00:42:02,157 --> 00:42:04,226 MARY: They and I had a meeting and, you know, I said, 987 00:42:04,226 --> 00:42:07,362 "I think from my experience on The Dick Van Dyke Show 988 00:42:07,362 --> 00:42:09,597 that it's smart for me to play 989 00:42:09,597 --> 00:42:12,935 somebody who's close to my own persona." 990 00:42:12,935 --> 00:42:15,131 And they agreed with that and they said, 991 00:42:15,131 --> 00:42:16,538 "Well, we're thinking maybe, uh, 992 00:42:16,538 --> 00:42:18,874 she works in a small television station 993 00:42:18,874 --> 00:42:21,043 and that she's looking to be married 994 00:42:21,043 --> 00:42:22,945 but she's not desperate about it." 995 00:42:22,945 --> 00:42:24,612 And I said, "That sounds good too. 996 00:42:24,612 --> 00:42:27,719 I like that 'cause that's kind of progressive." 997 00:42:28,953 --> 00:42:30,619 BROOKS: We were two guys at an office 998 00:42:30,619 --> 00:42:32,615 for a company that hadn't happened yet, 999 00:42:32,615 --> 00:42:34,723 kicking around ideas that-- I don't think there'd been 1000 00:42:34,723 --> 00:42:36,725 a divorced woman yet on television. 1001 00:42:36,725 --> 00:42:39,527 We went to CBS to pitch with Grant, 1002 00:42:39,527 --> 00:42:42,764 maybe 20 executives, the big boss there. 1003 00:42:42,764 --> 00:42:45,100 And we told him this idea and they were polite 1004 00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:46,902 and they asked us to step out of the room. 1005 00:42:46,902 --> 00:42:49,465 We found out later, they told Grant to fire us. 1006 00:42:49,465 --> 00:42:51,101 They had three rules that couldn't happen 1007 00:42:51,101 --> 00:42:52,707 on a CBS show at the time, 1008 00:42:52,707 --> 00:42:56,472 "Jews, somebody with a mustache, or a divorced woman." 1009 00:42:56,472 --> 00:42:59,047 MARY: They had to come head-to-head with CBS 1010 00:42:59,047 --> 00:43:02,550 over the premise that you will be divorced, 1011 00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:04,486 and that you would be moving to Minneapolis 1012 00:43:04,486 --> 00:43:06,654 for the first time to start life afresh. 1013 00:43:06,654 --> 00:43:08,691 It was real but it was not funny. 1014 00:43:08,691 --> 00:43:10,491 You couldn't make fun of divorce. 1015 00:43:10,491 --> 00:43:12,026 And not only that, they said, 1016 00:43:12,026 --> 00:43:13,929 - they'd think you were divorced from Dick Van Dyke! - (SNEEZES) 1017 00:43:13,929 --> 00:43:16,765 BROOKS: Just a career woman was unusual then. 1018 00:43:16,765 --> 00:43:18,566 She was America's sweetheart, 1019 00:43:18,566 --> 00:43:20,130 so I think what we ended up doing, 1020 00:43:20,130 --> 00:43:22,071 is the show allowed her 1021 00:43:22,071 --> 00:43:24,506 basically to be a contemporary woman, 1022 00:43:24,506 --> 00:43:26,074 at a time when contemporary women 1023 00:43:26,074 --> 00:43:28,944 were speaking out, being noticed as they never were before. 1024 00:43:28,944 --> 00:43:32,714 This inhuman system of exploitation will change, 1025 00:43:32,714 --> 00:43:35,250 but only if we force it to change. 1026 00:43:35,250 --> 00:43:37,252 - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) - (TELEPHONE RINGING) 1027 00:43:37,252 --> 00:43:39,515 {\an8}TREVA SILVERMAN: So, the phone rings and it's Jim, 1028 00:43:39,515 --> 00:43:41,991 {\an8}and he said, "What are you doing right now?" 1029 00:43:41,991 --> 00:43:44,993 I said, "I'm just about to wash my hair." 1030 00:43:44,993 --> 00:43:47,596 And he said, "No, no, no, I mean in your life." 1031 00:43:47,596 --> 00:43:49,565 He said, "Because Mary Tyler Moore's show 1032 00:43:49,565 --> 00:43:51,033 got picked up. 1033 00:43:51,033 --> 00:43:54,597 And you're the first writer that I'm calling. 1034 00:43:54,597 --> 00:43:57,639 We would like you to write as many as you want." 1035 00:43:57,639 --> 00:43:59,641 At that point, I was the only woman 1036 00:43:59,641 --> 00:44:02,511 writing alone in comedy writing. 1037 00:44:02,511 --> 00:44:04,512 We were writing what we believed in. 1038 00:44:04,512 --> 00:44:06,481 Jim and Allen believed in it enough 1039 00:44:06,481 --> 00:44:08,183 that they pushed things through. 1040 00:44:08,183 --> 00:44:09,317 ♪ (MUSIC INTENSIFIES) ♪ 1041 00:44:09,317 --> 00:44:12,053 {\an8}BROOKS: This is somebody who immediately was a soldier. 1042 00:44:12,053 --> 00:44:15,190 {\an8}She was a star of her show. It was her company, 1043 00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:17,725 {\an8}and yet she was in the trenches with you. 1044 00:44:17,725 --> 00:44:20,128 MARY: So, here I am in Minneapolis, new life, 1045 00:44:20,128 --> 00:44:22,898 {\an8}new job. Well, not a new job yet. 1046 00:44:22,898 --> 00:44:24,433 {\an8}First I had to go on an interview 1047 00:44:24,433 --> 00:44:26,435 {\an8}at a local TV station. 1048 00:44:26,435 --> 00:44:27,936 {\an8}BILL: I went to the first taping. 1049 00:44:27,936 --> 00:44:30,105 {\an8}I thought it was very smart. 1050 00:44:30,105 --> 00:44:32,173 {\an8}As they would say, "It had legs." 1051 00:44:32,173 --> 00:44:33,542 {\an8}MARY: The head of the news department 1052 00:44:33,542 --> 00:44:35,238 {\an8}seemed interested in my experience. 1053 00:44:35,238 --> 00:44:37,647 {\an8}- How old are you? - Thirty. 1054 00:44:37,647 --> 00:44:40,115 No hedging? No, "How old do I look?" 1055 00:44:40,115 --> 00:44:43,119 Why hedge? (CHUCKLES) How old do I look? 1056 00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:44,686 Thirty. 1057 00:44:44,686 --> 00:44:47,723 {\an8}When we did the first attempted show, 1058 00:44:47,723 --> 00:44:50,225 {\an8}we made it under awful conditions. 1059 00:44:50,225 --> 00:44:54,095 {\an8}An awful studio. Not too many audience laughs. 1060 00:44:54,095 --> 00:44:56,131 Look, miss, just so you're not the first person 1061 00:44:56,131 --> 00:44:57,600 I get overtime on a job interview... 1062 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:58,934 {\an8}BILL: The testing was not good. 1063 00:44:58,934 --> 00:45:01,836 {\an8}The network hated it but they had committed 1064 00:45:01,836 --> 00:45:04,306 {\an8}to a season of shows. They would've had to pay them. 1065 00:45:04,306 --> 00:45:06,041 ...personal questions that don't have a thing to do 1066 00:45:06,041 --> 00:45:07,877 with my qualifications for this job. 1067 00:45:07,877 --> 00:45:09,744 ED ASNER: And Mary was in tears. 1068 00:45:09,744 --> 00:45:13,748 Grant's statement to the guys was, "Fix it." 1069 00:45:13,748 --> 00:45:15,417 And the guys looked at each other and said, 1070 00:45:15,417 --> 00:45:16,617 "What's wrong with it?" 1071 00:45:16,617 --> 00:45:19,020 BROOKS: I'm in a fog, I'm destroyed. 1072 00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:24,820 I'm sitting at a desk just numb. They trusted us and we bombed. 1073 00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:27,463 And then, Marge Mullen, who was our script supervisor, 1074 00:45:27,463 --> 00:45:28,558 saved us. 1075 00:45:28,558 --> 00:45:30,099 Marge said, "What if the kid, Beth, 1076 00:45:30,099 --> 00:45:32,802 who was in the pilot, said how much she liked Rhoda?" 1077 00:45:32,802 --> 00:45:34,103 ♪ (INSPIRING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1078 00:45:34,103 --> 00:45:36,404 BROOKS: That and cutting the script 1079 00:45:36,404 --> 00:45:39,440 turned the bomb into the pilot that people talk about. 1080 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,349 ♪ ("MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW" THEME SONG PLAYING) ♪ 1081 00:45:47,952 --> 00:45:53,292 ♪ How will you make it On your own ♪ 1082 00:45:55,092 --> 00:45:58,226 ♪ This world is awfully big ♪ 1083 00:45:58,226 --> 00:46:01,624 ♪ Girl, this time You're all alone ♪ 1084 00:46:01,624 --> 00:46:05,500 ♪ But it's time You started living ♪ 1085 00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:09,238 ♪ It's time you let someone else Do some giving ♪ 1086 00:46:09,238 --> 00:46:13,008 ♪ Love is all around No need to waste it ♪ 1087 00:46:13,008 --> 00:46:17,079 ♪ You can have the town Why don't you take it? ♪ 1088 00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:23,288 ♪ You might just make it After all ♪ 1089 00:46:24,354 --> 00:46:31,354 ♪ You might just make it After all ♪ 1090 00:46:31,595 --> 00:46:34,957 - ♪ (THEME MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ - ♪ (JOLLY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1091 00:46:34,957 --> 00:46:37,232 {\an8}ROSIE O'DONNELL: I was eight when the first episode came on 1092 00:46:37,232 --> 00:46:39,934 {\an8}and I hadn't seen one where a woman, 1093 00:46:39,934 --> 00:46:43,171 especially a single woman without a man to depend on, 1094 00:46:43,171 --> 00:46:47,810 was making her own way in life. It seared into my brain. 1095 00:46:47,810 --> 00:46:49,572 Look, miss, would you try 1096 00:46:49,572 --> 00:46:51,450 answering the questions as I ask 'em? 1097 00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:53,716 Yes, Mr. Grant, I will. 1098 00:46:53,716 --> 00:46:55,150 But it does seem that you've been asking 1099 00:46:55,150 --> 00:46:57,720 a lot of very personal questions that don't have a thing to do 1100 00:46:57,720 --> 00:47:00,155 with my qualifications for this job. 1101 00:47:00,155 --> 00:47:01,757 JULIA LOUIS-DREYFUS: There was no other show 1102 00:47:01,757 --> 00:47:03,224 {\an8}like The Mary Tyler Moore Show. 1103 00:47:03,224 --> 00:47:07,990 {\an8}Her morphing from Laura Petrie into Mary Richards 1104 00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:14,435 {\an8}was such a feminist statement and one that got into my bones. 1105 00:47:14,435 --> 00:47:17,105 {\an8}KATIE COURIC: Watching this incredible woman 1106 00:47:17,105 --> 00:47:20,475 {\an8}who was strong and funny, and independent, 1107 00:47:20,475 --> 00:47:24,046 then gets her own apartment with the wooden "M" on the wall. 1108 00:47:24,046 --> 00:47:26,716 - So you're, uh, Rhoda? - Morgenstern. 1109 00:47:26,716 --> 00:47:28,283 Ah! And I'm Mary Richards. 1110 00:47:28,283 --> 00:47:31,223 Oh, hello. (CHUCKLES) Get outta my apartment! 1111 00:47:32,523 --> 00:47:36,759 KATIE: She had funny neighbors like Rhoda and Phyllis. 1112 00:47:36,759 --> 00:47:39,689 But Mary, it's your duty as a woman 1113 00:47:39,689 --> 00:47:41,597 to take whatever you could get... (SNIFFS) 1114 00:47:41,597 --> 00:47:42,998 ...whether you want it or not. 1115 00:47:42,998 --> 00:47:46,134 KATIE: And a great crew of people with whom she worked. 1116 00:47:46,134 --> 00:47:48,170 I'd tell you to stop reading over my shoulder 1117 00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:50,409 but you need all the practice you can get. 1118 00:47:52,076 --> 00:47:53,809 - Hi. - You're late, Mar. 1119 00:47:53,809 --> 00:47:55,004 I know. 1120 00:47:55,004 --> 00:47:57,179 KATIE: It opened my eyes to, "Wow, I wanna do that too." 1121 00:47:57,179 --> 00:48:00,449 A beautiful romance just blew up in her face. 1122 00:48:00,449 --> 00:48:03,385 It did not blow up. I made the decision. 1123 00:48:03,385 --> 00:48:04,787 ♪ (SOLEMN PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1124 00:48:04,787 --> 00:48:06,388 {\an8}JULIA: It wasn't just Mary Richards 1125 00:48:06,388 --> 00:48:12,628 {\an8}who was this extraordinarily single ambitious career woman. 1126 00:48:12,628 --> 00:48:13,723 {\an8}She was surrounded 1127 00:48:13,723 --> 00:48:17,132 {\an8}by very strong comedic female characters. 1128 00:48:17,132 --> 00:48:18,467 - Yeah, I-- - You're talking 1129 00:48:18,467 --> 00:48:21,536 about Midwestern love, I'm talking about Bronx love. 1130 00:48:21,536 --> 00:48:25,340 There's a certain amount of guilt that goes with that. 1131 00:48:25,340 --> 00:48:28,076 MARY: Part of being a successful artist 1132 00:48:28,076 --> 00:48:31,146 is being open to new ideas and input. 1133 00:48:31,146 --> 00:48:33,114 {\an8}TREVA: She was a big, big supporter 1134 00:48:33,114 --> 00:48:35,450 {\an8}of what the pilot said about her. 1135 00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:39,921 {\an8}She was on the side of risk-taking. 1136 00:48:39,921 --> 00:48:41,490 {\an8}- Divorced? - MARY: No. 1137 00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:42,825 {\an8}- Never married. - No. 1138 00:48:42,825 --> 00:48:44,427 {\an8}- ED: Why? - Why? 1139 00:48:44,427 --> 00:48:46,161 Hmm. Your type? 1140 00:48:46,161 --> 00:48:49,498 Mr. Grant, there's no simple answer to that question. 1141 00:48:49,498 --> 00:48:52,367 {\an8}MARY: There had been some shows about single women before 1142 00:48:52,367 --> 00:48:55,303 but as in the case of The Marlo Thomas Show, 1143 00:48:55,303 --> 00:48:57,405 boy, it was about getting married, 1144 00:48:57,405 --> 00:48:59,474 and Jim and Allen didn't wanna do that. 1145 00:48:59,474 --> 00:49:02,878 They wanted to show a woman enjoying her life and her career 1146 00:49:02,878 --> 00:49:04,349 and meeting these challenges. 1147 00:49:05,515 --> 00:49:07,415 BROOKS: They each had a great backbone. 1148 00:49:07,415 --> 00:49:09,151 {\an8}- (DOORBELL BUZZES) - BROOKS: The character and Mary 1149 00:49:09,151 --> 00:49:11,452 {\an8}had a great backbone that was real. 1150 00:49:11,452 --> 00:49:13,188 {\an8}You know, that kind of substance, 1151 00:49:13,188 --> 00:49:14,923 intrinsic dignity of being 1152 00:49:14,923 --> 00:49:17,026 and of other people's dignity of being. 1153 00:49:17,026 --> 00:49:19,561 So, in a way, you're describing class. 1154 00:49:19,561 --> 00:49:23,468 Uh. Mary, Uh, uh. Did-- Did you just say goodbye? 1155 00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:26,568 Uh-huh. 1156 00:49:26,568 --> 00:49:29,008 (CHUCKLES) That's what I thought you said. 1157 00:49:30,775 --> 00:49:32,641 Take... take care of yourself. 1158 00:49:32,641 --> 00:49:35,210 - ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ - I think I just did. 1159 00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:36,445 ♪ (QUIRKY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1160 00:49:36,445 --> 00:49:37,846 RONA: You were kind of locked up. 1161 00:49:37,846 --> 00:49:43,084 I mean, I say locked up in that that the image on the screen 1162 00:49:43,084 --> 00:49:46,922 in the series, certainly never matched the real Mary. 1163 00:49:46,922 --> 00:49:50,595 That's right. Right. I was never single. 1164 00:49:51,563 --> 00:49:54,129 Mary Richards. Hmm. 1165 00:49:54,129 --> 00:49:56,732 It is still Richards, isn't it? 1166 00:49:56,732 --> 00:50:00,305 Uh. Yes. It's, uh, still Mary too. 1167 00:50:01,867 --> 00:50:04,173 So, you've never been married, Mary? 1168 00:50:04,173 --> 00:50:06,074 - No, Estelle, I haven't. - Hmm. 1169 00:50:06,074 --> 00:50:07,409 I've been married twice. 1170 00:50:07,409 --> 00:50:09,714 She liked it so much the first time. 1171 00:50:12,049 --> 00:50:13,482 I think you can look at a show like ours 1172 00:50:13,482 --> 00:50:15,918 and look at some of the relationships 1173 00:50:15,918 --> 00:50:19,458 and say to yourself after you've laughed... 1174 00:50:20,691 --> 00:50:23,726 "Son of a gun. That happened to me once." 1175 00:50:23,726 --> 00:50:24,960 ♪ (LIGHTHEARTED MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1176 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,696 {\an8}BROOKS: There's no way we can deal 1177 00:50:26,696 --> 00:50:29,097 {\an8}with how humbling luck is. 1178 00:50:29,097 --> 00:50:30,633 {\an8}- They programmed us... - (MARY YELPS) 1179 00:50:30,633 --> 00:50:31,833 {\an8}...in a death time slot 1180 00:50:31,833 --> 00:50:35,637 because whoever was in charge of CBS then, didn't like us. 1181 00:50:35,637 --> 00:50:38,006 Where we were in mourning when we learned about it, 1182 00:50:38,006 --> 00:50:39,508 it meant they were eating us up. 1183 00:50:39,508 --> 00:50:41,476 They were just throwing away the shows. 1184 00:50:41,476 --> 00:50:43,912 {\an8}The president of the company, the businessman, 1185 00:50:43,912 --> 00:50:45,815 {\an8}he was promoted from head of sales 1186 00:50:45,815 --> 00:50:47,750 to head of the network. 1187 00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:48,884 First thing he did 1188 00:50:48,884 --> 00:50:51,020 was all those situation comedy shows 1189 00:50:51,020 --> 00:50:53,055 that had ruled the airways, canceled, 1190 00:50:53,055 --> 00:50:55,323 lots of top ten shows. 1191 00:50:55,323 --> 00:50:57,826 And then he put All in the Family on the air 1192 00:50:57,826 --> 00:51:01,329 and gave us the best time period he had and saved us. 1193 00:51:01,329 --> 00:51:02,630 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 1194 00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:05,033 Hi, I'm Mary Tyler Moore and I just want you to know 1195 00:51:05,033 --> 00:51:06,101 that starting this fall, 1196 00:51:06,101 --> 00:51:07,936 Bob Newhart and I will be back-to-back 1197 00:51:07,936 --> 00:51:09,471 every Saturday night on CBS. 1198 00:51:09,471 --> 00:51:11,807 Why do you fight it? The world's changing. 1199 00:51:11,807 --> 00:51:13,074 {\an8}ROB: They were on the same night 1200 00:51:13,074 --> 00:51:14,309 {\an8}we were on for All in the Family. 1201 00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:16,711 It was M*A*S*H. And then Bob Newhart 1202 00:51:16,711 --> 00:51:18,647 and Mary Tyler Moore, and then Carol Barnett, 1203 00:51:18,647 --> 00:51:19,943 we had a great lineup. 1204 00:51:19,943 --> 00:51:22,017 {\an8}ROSIE: You had to wait until it was on. 1205 00:51:22,017 --> 00:51:23,051 {\an8}(CHUCKLES) Y'know? 1206 00:51:23,051 --> 00:51:25,287 {\an8}And if you missed it, you missed it. 1207 00:51:25,287 --> 00:51:27,589 {\an8}- It was appointment TV for me. - ♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1208 00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:31,160 {\an8}RONDA RICH TINKER: I would lie on the floor, on my stomach 1209 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,660 {\an8}right in front of the TV. 1210 00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:34,930 {\an8}DEBRA MARTIN CHASE: My mother and I would watch 1211 00:51:34,930 --> 00:51:36,164 {\an8}Mary Tyler Moore together. 1212 00:51:36,164 --> 00:51:37,832 {\an8}DEBRA: Mary spoke to all of us. 1213 00:51:37,832 --> 00:51:42,570 Women could be independent, could have careers, 1214 00:51:42,570 --> 00:51:44,540 could stand on their own two feet 1215 00:51:44,540 --> 00:51:45,741 without a man. 1216 00:51:45,741 --> 00:51:47,442 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1217 00:51:47,442 --> 00:51:51,647 {\an8}KATIE: I just remember it being part of my routine 1218 00:51:51,647 --> 00:51:53,481 {\an8}on the weekends. 1219 00:51:53,481 --> 00:51:57,285 BROOKS: We had an audience right away and we kept it. 1220 00:51:57,285 --> 00:52:01,056 {\an8}And that was when everybody stayed home and watched. 1221 00:52:01,056 --> 00:52:02,457 {\an8}Grant Tinker used to say, 1222 00:52:02,457 --> 00:52:04,159 {\an8}"You could fly across the United States, 1223 00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:06,094 jump out of a plane and very likely land 1224 00:52:06,094 --> 00:52:08,730 on somebody watching your show." 1225 00:52:08,730 --> 00:52:13,435 {\an8}JOEL GREY: If you transcend all of the expectations, 1226 00:52:13,435 --> 00:52:14,902 {\an8}- changes everything. - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1227 00:52:14,902 --> 00:52:21,209 JOEL: I'm sure her expectations of her life changed after that, 1228 00:52:21,209 --> 00:52:25,480 as did everyone else's expectations of her. 1229 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:26,714 - I need to get ready. - Yeah, I hope. 1230 00:52:26,714 --> 00:52:29,151 - Boy, I hate those meetings. - You never used to. 1231 00:52:29,151 --> 00:52:31,586 Yeah, well, it used to be I felt I could be myself. 1232 00:52:31,586 --> 00:52:35,556 Now, I feel I represent women everywhere. 1233 00:52:35,556 --> 00:52:39,427 {\an8}JOHN: Mary was so stellar at being that center 1234 00:52:39,427 --> 00:52:41,096 {\an8}that held everything together. 1235 00:52:41,096 --> 00:52:43,699 {\an8}And she always wanted her folks to be proud. 1236 00:52:43,699 --> 00:52:44,967 {\an8}They weren't effusive. 1237 00:52:44,967 --> 00:52:46,601 {\an8}I've often wondered how much time 1238 00:52:46,601 --> 00:52:50,005 {\an8}was spent with Mary in her mind, with her folks. 1239 00:52:50,005 --> 00:52:52,640 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 1240 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,777 MARY: (OVER MIC) Would you all like to meet the producers 1241 00:52:54,777 --> 00:52:55,939 of Mary Tyler Moore? 1242 00:52:55,939 --> 00:52:59,280 - My mom and dad. - (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1243 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,044 MARY: (OVER MIC) And February 14th, 1244 00:53:01,044 --> 00:53:03,351 they're celebrating their 50th anniversary. 1245 00:53:03,351 --> 00:53:06,291 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING, CHEERING) 1246 00:53:08,892 --> 00:53:12,192 So, what's the secret of 50 years, Mom and Dad? 1247 00:53:13,297 --> 00:53:15,763 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING, APPLAUDING) 1248 00:53:15,763 --> 00:53:18,233 - Lots of love and respect. - MARY: (OVER MIC) That's right. 1249 00:53:18,233 --> 00:53:19,534 I go along with that. 1250 00:53:19,534 --> 00:53:21,603 MARY: (OVER MIC) Okay, why not? That's a smart way. 1251 00:53:21,603 --> 00:53:22,737 BETTY WHITE: You probably remember 1252 00:53:22,737 --> 00:53:25,273 seeing this great cover on TV Guide. 1253 00:53:25,273 --> 00:53:27,943 {\an8}Well, right now, right here, on The Pet Set, 1254 00:53:27,943 --> 00:53:31,579 {\an8}we have this very star as our very special guest. 1255 00:53:31,579 --> 00:53:33,982 {\an8}I'd like you to meet Dis William. (CHUCKLES) 1256 00:53:33,982 --> 00:53:36,417 Oh, and he brought a girl with him, Mary Tyler Moore. 1257 00:53:36,417 --> 00:53:37,814 - (LAUGHS) - Hello there. (CHUCKLES) 1258 00:53:37,814 --> 00:53:40,255 - Hi. - (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1259 00:53:40,255 --> 00:53:42,591 I noticed on the set of, of course, 1260 00:53:42,591 --> 00:53:45,093 The Mary Tyler Moore Show, very prominently displayed 1261 00:53:45,093 --> 00:53:46,762 on the set is a picture of these two. 1262 00:53:46,762 --> 00:53:48,396 - Is that for luck? - Yeah, it's for luck. 1263 00:53:48,396 --> 00:53:49,698 And also because the prop man said, 1264 00:53:49,698 --> 00:53:52,067 "Do you have any pictures of anybody in your family 1265 00:53:52,067 --> 00:53:53,234 you'd like to have on the show? 1266 00:53:53,234 --> 00:53:54,802 The set needs a little warming up." (CHUCKLES) 1267 00:53:54,802 --> 00:53:56,838 - (BETTY CHUCKLES) - And I don't know why I brought in pictures 1268 00:53:56,838 --> 00:53:59,409 of the poodles instead of my mother or father. 1269 00:53:59,409 --> 00:54:00,575 Ow. (CLICKS TONGUE) 1270 00:54:00,575 --> 00:54:03,745 {\an8}- What happened? - Nothing, I just cut myself. 1271 00:54:03,745 --> 00:54:05,546 {\an8}It's okay. It's just a... it's just a tiny one. 1272 00:54:05,546 --> 00:54:07,082 - Come on, let me look at it. - No. 1273 00:54:07,082 --> 00:54:09,584 - ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ - When you were a little girl, 1274 00:54:09,584 --> 00:54:11,420 you wouldn't let me look when you cut yourself. 1275 00:54:11,420 --> 00:54:13,288 I was always afraid you'd stitch it up. 1276 00:54:13,288 --> 00:54:16,458 {\an8}JOHN: There was a scene where her father 1277 00:54:16,458 --> 00:54:18,593 {\an8}tells her how much he cares for her. 1278 00:54:18,593 --> 00:54:20,728 Mary just wanted to get it right. 1279 00:54:20,728 --> 00:54:24,561 You don't cry when you... cut your finger anymore? 1280 00:54:24,561 --> 00:54:25,737 No. (SCOFFS) 1281 00:54:27,404 --> 00:54:28,840 What does make you cry? 1282 00:54:30,274 --> 00:54:33,374 Oh, mostly dumb things. (CHUCKLES) 1283 00:54:33,374 --> 00:54:34,943 JOHN: And I remember being there 1284 00:54:34,943 --> 00:54:37,513 and I don't know that that was very easy for her. 1285 00:54:37,513 --> 00:54:39,181 I keep a few in here. 1286 00:54:39,181 --> 00:54:41,150 JOHN: That scene even then moved me 1287 00:54:41,150 --> 00:54:42,717 because when her folks would come over 1288 00:54:42,717 --> 00:54:46,654 on the rare occasion for dinner, it was always a little, 1289 00:54:46,654 --> 00:54:48,791 you're just waiting for something to happen. 1290 00:54:48,791 --> 00:54:51,291 Something that would light the fuse. 1291 00:54:52,231 --> 00:54:53,465 Mary... 1292 00:54:55,266 --> 00:54:56,535 are you ever lonely? 1293 00:54:58,502 --> 00:55:00,439 No. Not too often, Daddy. 1294 00:55:01,539 --> 00:55:02,874 I have a good life. 1295 00:55:03,408 --> 00:55:04,576 I'm glad... 1296 00:55:06,177 --> 00:55:08,480 because... (SIGHS) 1297 00:55:09,513 --> 00:55:11,650 ...I'm sorry about your graduation, 1298 00:55:12,517 --> 00:55:14,353 anything else I missed. 1299 00:55:16,287 --> 00:55:17,556 I love you, baby. 1300 00:55:20,690 --> 00:55:25,530 (SNIFFS) Well, it isn't always dumb things that make me cry. 1301 00:55:27,932 --> 00:55:29,425 (SIGHS) There. That... 1302 00:55:29,425 --> 00:55:33,201 That should be all right. Careful how you handle knives. 1303 00:55:33,201 --> 00:55:34,537 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 1304 00:55:34,537 --> 00:55:36,933 - Hey, Daddy? (SNIFFLES) - Mm-hmm? 1305 00:55:36,933 --> 00:55:38,907 You bandaged the wrong finger. 1306 00:55:38,907 --> 00:55:41,676 - (CHUCKLES) - ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1307 00:55:41,676 --> 00:55:43,378 INTERVIEWER: Why do you think it's such a winner, 1308 00:55:43,378 --> 00:55:45,746 The Mary Tyler Moore Show? 1309 00:55:45,746 --> 00:55:49,417 I think because of the casting, primarily me. 1310 00:55:49,417 --> 00:55:50,886 - No. (CHUCKLES) - (INTERVIEWER LAUGHS) 1311 00:55:50,886 --> 00:55:54,256 No, but it really is an extraordinary cast. 1312 00:55:54,256 --> 00:55:56,028 And I think because of the writing. 1313 00:55:58,262 --> 00:55:59,494 {\an8}SUSAN SILVER: The Mary Tyler Moore Show 1314 00:55:59,494 --> 00:56:01,496 {\an8}hired the most women of any show. 1315 00:56:01,496 --> 00:56:05,733 {\an8}And it changed the language of television. 1316 00:56:05,733 --> 00:56:08,504 {\an8}TREVA: It was wonderful of Jim and Allen. 1317 00:56:08,504 --> 00:56:09,737 {\an8}They really wanted to... 1318 00:56:09,737 --> 00:56:11,974 {\an8}(CHUCKLES) ...get it from the horse's mouth. 1319 00:56:11,974 --> 00:56:13,575 BROOKS: It didn't seem like we were having 1320 00:56:13,575 --> 00:56:15,405 {\an8}a eureka moment when we said, 1321 00:56:15,405 --> 00:56:18,146 {\an8}(CHUCKLES) "Women would be good to write on this show 1322 00:56:18,146 --> 00:56:19,581 about these women." 1323 00:56:19,581 --> 00:56:22,952 Totally logical thought pattern. It was the right thing to do. 1324 00:56:22,952 --> 00:56:23,919 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1325 00:56:23,919 --> 00:56:25,988 MARY: Jim said, "I can write a lot of stuff. 1326 00:56:25,988 --> 00:56:27,622 I'm very seldom stumped 1327 00:56:27,622 --> 00:56:30,425 but you've got stuff in your purse 1328 00:56:30,425 --> 00:56:32,594 that I don't know anything about 1329 00:56:32,594 --> 00:56:35,296 and that's what I want you to empty out for me. 1330 00:56:35,296 --> 00:56:37,599 I wanna know what women know." 1331 00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:39,334 {\an8}SUSAN: And I said, I was the last person 1332 00:56:39,334 --> 00:56:40,503 {\an8}to get a bra. I love it. 1333 00:56:40,503 --> 00:56:41,803 {\an8}I'm not burning it 1334 00:56:41,803 --> 00:56:43,972 {\an8}but I will make a contribution to feminism 1335 00:56:43,972 --> 00:56:46,341 {\an8}by having my own career and being a feminist, 1336 00:56:46,341 --> 00:56:48,710 but not by marching. 1337 00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:51,479 Women speak differently, and we have different ideas 1338 00:56:51,479 --> 00:56:52,881 and we have different stories. 1339 00:56:52,881 --> 00:56:56,318 I'm sure a man has never had to wear a bad bridesmaid dress. 1340 00:56:56,318 --> 00:56:59,058 - Mary. - MARY: Yeah? 1341 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,624 Oh, it's bad, huh? 1342 00:57:02,624 --> 00:57:05,730 Well, come on out, kid. How bad could it be? 1343 00:57:13,505 --> 00:57:14,839 That bad, huh? 1344 00:57:16,374 --> 00:57:19,475 I'd say, uh, about the only thing worse 1345 00:57:19,475 --> 00:57:21,076 than this dress... 1346 00:57:21,076 --> 00:57:24,746 - would be this dress in purple. - In purple. 1347 00:57:24,746 --> 00:57:26,447 {\an8}SUSAN: Mary Tyler Moore was real. 1348 00:57:26,447 --> 00:57:27,682 {\an8}And it was the way real women 1349 00:57:27,682 --> 00:57:29,551 {\an8}talked to their parents and their dates, 1350 00:57:29,551 --> 00:57:32,754 {\an8}and their girlfriends, and Mary was the example. 1351 00:57:32,754 --> 00:57:35,190 A Chicago guy had written an article saying, 1352 00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:37,793 "Mary doesn't have enough sex." So I went in, and I said, 1353 00:57:37,793 --> 00:57:40,128 "I have a show where she can have sex." 1354 00:57:40,128 --> 00:57:41,862 - MARY: Rhoda? - What? 1355 00:57:41,862 --> 00:57:45,067 - Do you think I'm under-sexed? - (SIGHS) I hope so. 1356 00:57:45,067 --> 00:57:46,501 Really. I'd like to think 1357 00:57:46,501 --> 00:57:48,540 there's one thing I'm better at than you are. 1358 00:57:49,606 --> 00:57:51,073 SUSAN: All those things we were learning 1359 00:57:51,073 --> 00:57:52,741 were okay to talk about 1360 00:57:52,741 --> 00:57:54,775 and to do at the same time that the show did them. 1361 00:57:54,775 --> 00:57:57,579 But it changed the way women saw themselves. 1362 00:57:57,579 --> 00:58:00,148 - Have a nice time, you two. - You too, Mom. 1363 00:58:00,148 --> 00:58:01,517 Don't forget to take your pill. 1364 00:58:01,517 --> 00:58:02,821 - I won't. - I won't. 1365 00:58:06,891 --> 00:58:08,256 {\an8}BROOKS: It was a throwaway joke 1366 00:58:08,256 --> 00:58:12,060 {\an8}and... (CHUCKLES) ...it was racy at the time and it was huge. 1367 00:58:12,060 --> 00:58:13,662 {\an8}I call it creeping smut. 1368 00:58:13,662 --> 00:58:16,364 {\an8}I see it everywhere, in bookstores, in movies, 1369 00:58:16,364 --> 00:58:17,966 {\an8}in libraries, and now in television. 1370 00:58:17,966 --> 00:58:18,834 Look what happened 1371 00:58:18,834 --> 00:58:20,169 on The Mary Tyler Moore Show recently. 1372 00:58:20,169 --> 00:58:23,405 She went out on a date and she stayed out all night. 1373 00:58:23,405 --> 00:58:26,576 BEA ARTHUR: All night? Our little Mary? 1374 00:58:26,576 --> 00:58:28,610 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1375 00:58:28,610 --> 00:58:30,145 You can sneer if you want, Maude. 1376 00:58:30,145 --> 00:58:31,080 But let me tell you this, 1377 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,818 as Mary Tyler Moore goes, so goes America. 1378 00:58:34,718 --> 00:58:36,956 Look, I'm not sure if this fits right. 1379 00:58:38,956 --> 00:58:40,823 {\an8}NORMAN LEAR: Mary Tyler Moore for television 1380 00:58:40,823 --> 00:58:43,891 {\an8}represented America at that moment 1381 00:58:43,891 --> 00:58:48,596 {\an8}in that fresh release from the ancient womanhood. 1382 00:58:48,596 --> 00:58:51,299 In a landmark ruling, the Supreme Court today, 1383 00:58:51,299 --> 00:58:53,569 - legalized abortions. - ♪ (UPLIFTING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1384 00:58:53,569 --> 00:58:55,870 - Murray, your marriage? - Mary, 1385 00:58:55,870 --> 00:59:00,042 you know I love Marie. Marie is not Gloria Steinem. 1386 00:59:00,042 --> 00:59:03,212 Well, what's this "Gloria Steinem" thing you have? 1387 00:59:03,212 --> 00:59:05,880 I mean, you take away Gloria Steinem's super intellect 1388 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,154 and what do you got? (CHUCKLES) Never mind, bad example. 1389 00:59:10,354 --> 00:59:12,320 (HELICOPTER BLADES WHIRRING) 1390 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,656 {\an8}BROOKS: I was asked to speak 1391 00:59:13,656 --> 00:59:15,590 {\an8}to Lady Bird Johnson's 1392 00:59:15,590 --> 00:59:17,725 {\an8}- conference of women... - (BIRDS CHIRPING) 1393 00:59:17,725 --> 00:59:21,563 ...and it was a theater holding 1200 people, all women. 1394 00:59:21,563 --> 00:59:24,900 And Gloria Steinem spoke just before me, 1395 00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:26,901 and derided The Mary Tyler Moore Show 1396 00:59:26,901 --> 00:59:28,937 - and that we're anti-feminist. - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1397 00:59:28,937 --> 00:59:30,739 {\an8}GLORIA: The question is, "Why does Mary Tyler Moore 1398 00:59:30,739 --> 00:59:32,941 {\an8}still call Mr. Grant, 'Mr. Grant?'" 1399 00:59:32,941 --> 00:59:35,277 BROOKS: This comes up every once in a while... 1400 00:59:35,277 --> 00:59:36,578 GLORIA: (LAUGHS) Oh, yeah? 1401 00:59:36,578 --> 00:59:38,446 ...and it just... it just seems right. 1402 00:59:38,446 --> 00:59:40,448 We talk about doing a show-- 1403 00:59:40,448 --> 00:59:41,950 - (CROWD BOOING) - BROOKS: No, no. 1404 00:59:41,950 --> 00:59:43,618 And they booed me. (CHUCKLES) 1405 00:59:43,618 --> 00:59:47,156 (GLORIA LAUGHS, SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) 1406 00:59:47,156 --> 00:59:49,390 BROOKS: Just based on what seems right to us 1407 00:59:49,390 --> 00:59:50,893 about the character's behavior. 1408 00:59:50,893 --> 00:59:52,727 - Mr. Grant, you should-- - Now, it won't work 1409 00:59:52,727 --> 00:59:55,667 if you're calling me "Mr. Grant." Call me "Lou." 1410 00:59:56,933 --> 01:00:00,063 Well, wait, uh, would that be for, uh... just for the purpose 1411 01:00:00,063 --> 01:00:01,937 of this conversation? 1412 01:00:01,937 --> 01:00:03,875 We, uh... for, you know, all time? 1413 01:00:05,544 --> 01:00:06,711 I'll decide later. 1414 01:00:08,446 --> 01:00:14,015 - You think you can, Mary? - Call you not Mr. Grant? Sure. 1415 01:00:14,015 --> 01:00:18,690 - Well, I'm glad it's okay. - Oh, yes, it's okay to say it. 1416 01:00:20,992 --> 01:00:25,364 - Really, Mary? - Really, Lou. 1417 01:00:27,431 --> 01:00:29,364 ♪ (MELODIOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1418 01:00:29,364 --> 01:00:33,034 - Call me Mr. Grant. - Thank you. 1419 01:00:33,034 --> 01:00:35,604 {\an8}Was there some talk one time about the Mary Tyler Moore Show 1420 01:00:35,604 --> 01:00:37,906 {\an8}being anti-women's lib or... 1421 01:00:37,906 --> 01:00:39,741 - or too pro-women's lib... - Oh, well, it depends... 1422 01:00:39,741 --> 01:00:41,404 - ...or something. - ...on where you're sitting. 1423 01:00:41,404 --> 01:00:42,844 {\an8}I... I don't think it's anti at all. 1424 01:00:42,844 --> 01:00:45,881 {\an8}I think there are two ladies, living by themselves, working. 1425 01:00:45,881 --> 01:00:48,378 {\an8}Very-- As realistically as you can get 1426 01:00:48,378 --> 01:00:49,612 on a television series at the time. 1427 01:00:49,612 --> 01:00:51,086 But the viewers see it in those terms sometimes. 1428 01:00:51,086 --> 01:00:54,556 Sh-- Oh, yeah, you see what you feel, you know? 1429 01:00:54,556 --> 01:00:55,657 But do you ever find yourself 1430 01:00:55,657 --> 01:00:57,726 pandering to the people who are your fans 1431 01:00:57,726 --> 01:00:59,255 so that you can keep them your fans? 1432 01:00:59,255 --> 01:01:00,595 - No. - INTERVIEWER: Anyway... 1433 01:01:00,595 --> 01:01:02,664 - No, not at all. - ...in any way? Get around? 1434 01:01:02,664 --> 01:01:05,167 See, there is a perfectly logical explanation 1435 01:01:05,167 --> 01:01:06,001 for what you heard. 1436 01:01:06,001 --> 01:01:08,007 Oh, really, Mary? And what is it? 1437 01:01:09,740 --> 01:01:11,272 We were having an orgy. 1438 01:01:11,272 --> 01:01:13,536 {\an8}JIM: If you wanna do a show on network television, 1439 01:01:13,536 --> 01:01:16,178 {\an8}you have to appeal to the whole country. 1440 01:01:16,178 --> 01:01:19,747 {\an8}You had to appease 40 million people. 1441 01:01:19,747 --> 01:01:23,984 - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) - (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING) 1442 01:01:23,984 --> 01:01:28,156 {\an8}RONDA: Mary was what I like to call a feminine feminist. 1443 01:01:28,156 --> 01:01:32,927 {\an8}I know she didn't like to call herself a feminist. 1444 01:01:32,927 --> 01:01:36,264 {\an8}BEVERLY: She didn't think feminism was so hotsy-totsy. 1445 01:01:36,264 --> 01:01:39,201 {\an8}There were women that just didn't like it. 1446 01:01:39,201 --> 01:01:42,204 She identified with it up to a point. 1447 01:01:42,204 --> 01:01:46,308 RONDA: She loved the spoils of femininity. 1448 01:01:46,308 --> 01:01:50,911 She loved the clothes, the hair and the makeup, 1449 01:01:50,911 --> 01:01:55,551 and she loved to take that and dress up how tough she was. 1450 01:01:55,551 --> 01:01:57,252 It was a good costume for her. 1451 01:01:57,252 --> 01:01:59,955 {\an8}BEVERLY: One day I said, "You are a woman's libber. 1452 01:01:59,955 --> 01:02:01,824 {\an8}You have your own show. 1453 01:02:01,824 --> 01:02:05,227 {\an8}You have a child and you were divorced. 1454 01:02:05,227 --> 01:02:08,464 You have set the standard for a woman 1455 01:02:08,464 --> 01:02:10,966 to be on her own." 1456 01:02:10,966 --> 01:02:13,502 {\an8}JIM: She was aloof. She was reserved. 1457 01:02:13,502 --> 01:02:14,970 {\an8}She had an incredible veneer. 1458 01:02:14,970 --> 01:02:18,777 {\an8}I only saw power from her. I didn't see underneath. 1459 01:02:19,643 --> 01:02:22,310 {\an8}JOHN: Mary was either fully engaged 1460 01:02:22,310 --> 01:02:26,782 {\an8}in the activity around her and giving you her attention 1461 01:02:26,782 --> 01:02:29,852 or she was completely disengaged, 1462 01:02:29,852 --> 01:02:33,255 virtually in thought all the time. 1463 01:02:33,255 --> 01:02:35,623 BEVERLY: She always wanted to be better. 1464 01:02:35,623 --> 01:02:38,727 {\an8}She always wanted to be different. 1465 01:02:38,727 --> 01:02:40,328 {\an8}I just thought she was marvelous 1466 01:02:40,328 --> 01:02:42,297 and every time she would be insecure and say, 1467 01:02:42,297 --> 01:02:45,901 "I'm so worried. I mean, I have to be really good." 1468 01:02:45,901 --> 01:02:48,504 The Sunday show, Mary Richards, producer. 1469 01:02:48,504 --> 01:02:50,071 {\an8}(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS, CHEERS) 1470 01:02:50,071 --> 01:02:52,975 {\an8}BEVERLY: Who was Mary really in real life? 1471 01:02:52,975 --> 01:02:56,348 She was insecure about buying lipstick. 1472 01:02:57,749 --> 01:02:59,181 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1473 01:02:59,181 --> 01:03:02,618 I usually look so much better than this. 1474 01:03:02,618 --> 01:03:04,123 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1475 01:03:06,323 --> 01:03:09,090 {\an8}JOHN: I have this image of Mary walking. 1476 01:03:09,090 --> 01:03:11,559 {\an8}It's evident in the main title of her show. 1477 01:03:11,559 --> 01:03:15,364 {\an8}She looks proud and almost regal and she wasn't that way at all. 1478 01:03:15,364 --> 01:03:17,999 {\an8}It just was how she carried herself. 1479 01:03:17,999 --> 01:03:20,535 {\an8}ED: There's the actress Mary 1480 01:03:20,535 --> 01:03:24,773 {\an8}who was the best civilian in charge I've ever seen. 1481 01:03:24,773 --> 01:03:26,607 {\an8}She was cold-blooded in her way. 1482 01:03:26,607 --> 01:03:30,582 And there's the character Mary who was an adorable doll. 1483 01:03:32,550 --> 01:03:35,084 There's not a great deal of control in acting. 1484 01:03:35,084 --> 01:03:36,686 RONA: Did you have a lot of control over 1485 01:03:36,686 --> 01:03:37,953 MTM Enterprises? 1486 01:03:37,953 --> 01:03:39,855 No, I was never involved in that. 1487 01:03:39,855 --> 01:03:41,424 - Nor am I. - RONA: It just bore your name? 1488 01:03:41,424 --> 01:03:42,557 Yes. 1489 01:03:42,557 --> 01:03:45,928 {\an8}JIM: MTM is Mary's company. People don't realize that. 1490 01:03:45,928 --> 01:03:48,330 {\an8}(SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) That's all, folks. 1491 01:03:48,330 --> 01:03:50,732 {\an8}JOHN: The portrait that hangs in Mary's house, 1492 01:03:50,732 --> 01:03:52,835 {\an8}that was in my father's office. 1493 01:03:52,835 --> 01:03:55,003 {\an8}It was always clear who the boss was. 1494 01:03:55,003 --> 01:03:57,438 She was of course the figurehead. 1495 01:03:57,438 --> 01:04:00,308 But running the day-to-day, my father was always 1496 01:04:00,308 --> 01:04:02,877 at his post, as he would call it. 1497 01:04:02,877 --> 01:04:05,975 At that desk was the happiest I'd ever seen him. 1498 01:04:05,975 --> 01:04:09,685 That was his business to run. And she was fine with that. 1499 01:04:09,685 --> 01:04:11,286 If Grant had come to me and asked 1500 01:04:11,286 --> 01:04:14,523 my feelings about something opinion of, people or script, 1501 01:04:14,523 --> 01:04:15,724 I would certainly give them. 1502 01:04:15,724 --> 01:04:18,754 JOHN: While they may have talked about it, I don't know 1503 01:04:18,754 --> 01:04:21,329 how much he would've solicited her advice. 1504 01:04:21,329 --> 01:04:24,066 I think they had lanes in which they both stayed, 1505 01:04:24,066 --> 01:04:25,337 {\an8}and it worked out well. 1506 01:04:27,204 --> 01:04:31,106 {\an8}The lead actress of the year in a series is... 1507 01:04:31,106 --> 01:04:34,413 - Mary Tyler Moore. - (AUDIENCE CHEERS, APPLAUDS) 1508 01:04:35,113 --> 01:04:36,311 JOAN: I never saw Mary 1509 01:04:36,311 --> 01:04:39,014 {\an8}actively involved in the business side of MTM, 1510 01:04:39,014 --> 01:04:41,784 {\an8}but there was no question the company reflected 1511 01:04:41,784 --> 01:04:43,852 {\an8}her sensibilities. 1512 01:04:43,852 --> 01:04:45,921 Mary was very instrumental, 1513 01:04:45,921 --> 01:04:48,651 certainly in setting the tone on set. 1514 01:04:48,651 --> 01:04:50,159 RONA: Looking back, do you regret 1515 01:04:50,159 --> 01:04:53,562 that you didn't put your own imprimatur on things? 1516 01:04:53,562 --> 01:04:56,564 MARY: No. You know, one can be guilty about the things 1517 01:04:56,564 --> 01:05:00,302 one has never done in life. I try not to do that. 1518 01:05:00,302 --> 01:05:02,570 Sure. that would be nice were I an entrepreneur 1519 01:05:02,570 --> 01:05:05,541 and I had been involved in that aspect of our business 1520 01:05:05,541 --> 01:05:07,242 but it has never interested me. 1521 01:05:07,242 --> 01:05:10,112 And nor has directing or producing. 1522 01:05:10,112 --> 01:05:14,586 And I really love acting and that's all I want to do. 1523 01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:17,719 JAMES: MTM became a large company 1524 01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:19,387 with a lot of shows on the air 1525 01:05:19,387 --> 01:05:21,456 and a lot of different people coming in. 1526 01:05:21,456 --> 01:05:23,792 JIM: That was the west wing of writing back then. 1527 01:05:23,792 --> 01:05:26,428 {\an8}- They had six sitcoms running. - (AUDIENCE CHEERS, APPLAUDS) 1528 01:05:26,428 --> 01:05:28,730 JIM: The network would have a lot of notes 1529 01:05:28,730 --> 01:05:31,333 and then Grant wouldn't give them to the writers. 1530 01:05:31,333 --> 01:05:33,134 {\an8}JAMES: And the one thing we all had in common 1531 01:05:33,134 --> 01:05:35,203 {\an8}was loving the ass off Grant Tinker. 1532 01:05:35,203 --> 01:05:37,272 We're grateful to our cast, you know that. 1533 01:05:37,272 --> 01:05:39,474 We're grateful to Grant Tinker for helping us 1534 01:05:39,474 --> 01:05:41,544 {\an8}to always preserve our creative freedom. 1535 01:05:41,544 --> 01:05:42,677 {\an8}(AUDIENCE CHEERS, APPLAUDS) 1536 01:05:42,677 --> 01:05:46,585 The winners are... Ted Knight and Valerie Harper. 1537 01:05:47,918 --> 01:05:50,919 VALERIE: I do all my scenes with Mary and she's the best. 1538 01:05:50,919 --> 01:05:54,089 She's a winner and she lets us all win Emmys. 1539 01:05:54,089 --> 01:05:55,594 I mean, it's incredible. Truly. 1540 01:05:56,894 --> 01:05:58,889 JAMES: Her modesty, her humility, 1541 01:05:58,889 --> 01:06:01,362 her need to have people happy around her, 1542 01:06:01,362 --> 01:06:04,033 created the tent that went over all of us. 1543 01:06:04,033 --> 01:06:05,333 Then don't make a mistake. 1544 01:06:05,333 --> 01:06:08,373 {\an8}No goody two shoes, Mary wasn't goody two shoes. 1545 01:06:09,473 --> 01:06:11,343 {\an8}Nothing got in the way of the work. 1546 01:06:13,644 --> 01:06:14,977 Thank you so very much. 1547 01:06:14,977 --> 01:06:17,913 ED: I'd like to thank our two producers, 1548 01:06:17,913 --> 01:06:19,843 Alan Burns and Jim Brooks, 1549 01:06:19,843 --> 01:06:22,483 for choosing me to be a member of the best 1550 01:06:22,483 --> 01:06:25,988 damn ensemble company I've ever worked with. 1551 01:06:25,988 --> 01:06:28,885 I really am so proud to be in that company 1552 01:06:28,885 --> 01:06:32,594 - and I am so grateful. - Thank you very much. 1553 01:06:32,594 --> 01:06:35,763 {\an8}ED: Grant Tinker, our godfather Jay Sandrich. 1554 01:06:35,763 --> 01:06:39,034 {\an8}- Most of all, we have Mary. - ED: Treva Silverman. 1555 01:06:39,034 --> 01:06:41,036 TREVA: I was first woman writing alone 1556 01:06:41,036 --> 01:06:42,437 to win an Emmy. 1557 01:06:42,437 --> 01:06:44,573 {\an8}I didn't know what it would look like from here. (CHUCKLES) 1558 01:06:44,573 --> 01:06:46,108 {\an8}It looks terrific. 1559 01:06:46,108 --> 01:06:49,973 Marty Cohen, Susan Silver wrote those words, 1560 01:06:49,973 --> 01:06:53,215 and without them, I'd just be another pretty face. 1561 01:06:53,215 --> 01:06:55,316 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1562 01:06:55,316 --> 01:06:57,218 JIM: To be around that energy 1563 01:06:57,218 --> 01:06:59,520 on the Radford lot in Studio City, 1564 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,122 I'd like to say it was the best of times. 1565 01:07:01,122 --> 01:07:03,325 It was the best of times. It was Camelot. 1566 01:07:03,325 --> 01:07:06,094 ED: Well, I would like to say to actors everywhere, 1567 01:07:06,094 --> 01:07:09,664 may you have the pleasure and joy... 1568 01:07:09,664 --> 01:07:14,469 of being with and working with Mary Tyler Moore. 1569 01:07:14,469 --> 01:07:17,973 - Thank you. Thank you all. - (AUDIENCE CHEERS, APPLAUDS) 1570 01:07:17,973 --> 01:07:22,177 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 1571 01:07:22,177 --> 01:07:24,149 ♪ (WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1572 01:07:28,485 --> 01:07:30,385 {\an8}JOAN: Mary, with all of the accolades 1573 01:07:30,385 --> 01:07:33,288 {\an8}she's gotten, I think she's a much better comedian 1574 01:07:33,288 --> 01:07:36,157 {\an8}than anybody ever gave her credit for. 1575 01:07:36,157 --> 01:07:38,193 {\an8}ALLAN: "Chuckles the Clown" was named by TV Guide 1576 01:07:38,193 --> 01:07:40,528 {\an8}as the funniest single episode in the history 1577 01:07:40,528 --> 01:07:43,098 {\an8}of television comedy, when it's about death. 1578 01:07:43,098 --> 01:07:45,633 Chuckles the Clown was just killed. 1579 01:07:45,633 --> 01:07:48,665 He was dressed as a peanut and an elephant crushed him. 1580 01:07:48,665 --> 01:07:50,606 Stop trying to cheer me up, Lou. 1581 01:07:50,606 --> 01:07:51,806 ALLAN: And it was about 1582 01:07:51,806 --> 01:07:53,242 how different people react differently to death, 1583 01:07:53,242 --> 01:07:55,043 and some people have to laugh it off, 1584 01:07:55,043 --> 01:07:57,445 and Mary didn't think it was proper. 1585 01:07:57,445 --> 01:08:00,252 Why is everyone being so callous about this? 1586 01:08:00,885 --> 01:08:01,853 "Callous"? 1587 01:08:02,553 --> 01:08:04,019 Well, I'll have you know, dear, 1588 01:08:04,019 --> 01:08:06,454 that Chuckles and I were very close. 1589 01:08:06,454 --> 01:08:09,124 I baked the first custard pie he ever sat in. 1590 01:08:09,124 --> 01:08:10,926 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1591 01:08:10,926 --> 01:08:12,595 Life's a lot like that. 1592 01:08:12,595 --> 01:08:14,462 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1593 01:08:14,462 --> 01:08:16,932 From time to time, we all fall down 1594 01:08:16,932 --> 01:08:18,333 - and hurt our foo-foos. - (CHUCKLES) 1595 01:08:18,333 --> 01:08:19,969 {\an8}JOAN: She was just masterful, 1596 01:08:19,969 --> 01:08:21,836 {\an8}but she was also incredibly inventive. 1597 01:08:21,836 --> 01:08:25,074 REV. BURNS: If only we could deal with it as simply... 1598 01:08:25,074 --> 01:08:26,341 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1599 01:08:26,341 --> 01:08:30,449 ...and bravely and honestly as Mr. Fee-Fi-Fo. 1600 01:08:32,216 --> 01:08:35,751 And what did Chuckles ask in return? Not much. 1601 01:08:35,751 --> 01:08:38,988 (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) 1602 01:08:38,988 --> 01:08:40,525 BURNS: In his own words... 1603 01:08:41,821 --> 01:08:44,525 "A little song, a little dance, 1604 01:08:44,525 --> 01:08:46,362 a little seltzer down your pants." 1605 01:08:46,362 --> 01:08:49,197 (LAUGHS HYSTERICALLY) 1606 01:08:49,197 --> 01:08:50,865 JOAN: There's a moment in "Chuckles" 1607 01:08:50,865 --> 01:08:53,936 where she's laughing and then the minister talks to her. 1608 01:08:53,936 --> 01:08:57,372 - Excuse me, young lady. - And he says, "You, young lady." 1609 01:08:57,372 --> 01:08:59,974 And she goes, "Huh?" And she looks around 1610 01:08:59,974 --> 01:09:02,044 hoping there's somebody behind her that he's talking to. 1611 01:09:02,044 --> 01:09:03,979 Yes, you. 1612 01:09:03,979 --> 01:09:06,514 Uh. Would you stand up, please? 1613 01:09:06,514 --> 01:09:09,719 - (WHIMPERS) - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1614 01:09:09,719 --> 01:09:11,290 Please. Please. Won't you? 1615 01:09:13,024 --> 01:09:14,193 (CLEARS THROAT) 1616 01:09:14,993 --> 01:09:16,792 You feel like laughing, don't you? 1617 01:09:16,792 --> 01:09:18,793 (LAUGHS) 1618 01:09:18,793 --> 01:09:22,331 JOAN: That kind of invention only comes from someone who has 1619 01:09:22,331 --> 01:09:25,796 such a deeply rooted sense of human behavior. 1620 01:09:25,796 --> 01:09:27,670 BURNS: Go ahead, laugh out loud. 1621 01:09:27,670 --> 01:09:29,304 Don't you see? Nothing would've made 1622 01:09:29,304 --> 01:09:33,036 Chuckles happier. He lived to make people laugh. 1623 01:09:33,036 --> 01:09:36,548 So, go ahead, my dear. Laugh for Chuckles. 1624 01:09:38,617 --> 01:09:39,648 (SOBS) 1625 01:09:39,648 --> 01:09:42,150 JOAN: Mary Richards was Mary Tyler Moore inside out. 1626 01:09:42,150 --> 01:09:43,718 Everything that was inside Mary 1627 01:09:43,718 --> 01:09:45,653 was right there in front of the camera 1628 01:09:45,653 --> 01:09:48,961 for people to enjoy, and admire, and root for. 1629 01:09:50,194 --> 01:09:51,659 {\an8}We have our very last show... 1630 01:09:51,659 --> 01:09:53,128 {\an8}- Oh, yeah. - ...coming up on the filming 1631 01:09:53,128 --> 01:09:54,496 {\an8}- schedule in three weeks. - GUEST: No! 1632 01:09:54,496 --> 01:09:56,768 - Yes! - Yes. And this one's gonna be a guest on it. 1633 01:09:58,069 --> 01:09:59,267 {\an8}JAMES: It was on our fifth year. 1634 01:09:59,267 --> 01:10:00,502 {\an8}And they say, "Let's go out on top. 1635 01:10:00,502 --> 01:10:02,170 {\an8}Let's go out on our sixth season." 1636 01:10:02,170 --> 01:10:04,676 {\an8}And I said, "Seven." And they said, "Okay." 1637 01:10:05,977 --> 01:10:08,810 Ted, you're staying. 1638 01:10:08,810 --> 01:10:11,981 {\an8}And the rest of you guys, I'm gonna have to let go. 1639 01:10:11,981 --> 01:10:15,383 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1640 01:10:15,383 --> 01:10:18,420 - You're letting us go? - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1641 01:10:18,420 --> 01:10:20,121 JAMES: "The Last Show" was murder 1642 01:10:20,121 --> 01:10:21,690 because of all the attention we had. 1643 01:10:21,690 --> 01:10:23,758 People writing about nothing else. 1644 01:10:23,758 --> 01:10:26,698 The world stopped. She wanted to go out on top. 1645 01:10:28,833 --> 01:10:31,336 Thank you for being my family. 1646 01:10:31,770 --> 01:10:33,705 (SOBS) 1647 01:10:36,908 --> 01:10:38,340 TREVA: Each year, we all would give 1648 01:10:38,340 --> 01:10:39,908 Christmas presents to each other. 1649 01:10:39,908 --> 01:10:42,444 {\an8}You would think a lot about what to get somebody. 1650 01:10:42,444 --> 01:10:45,881 {\an8}And a lot of my friends were reading a book called, 1651 01:10:45,881 --> 01:10:47,515 How to Be Your Own Best Friend. 1652 01:10:47,515 --> 01:10:50,919 I thought of Mary as been a little way isolated 1653 01:10:50,919 --> 01:10:52,387 and so I bought that for her. 1654 01:10:52,387 --> 01:10:54,890 This was the beginning of my getting to know 1655 01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:56,291 the fragility. 1656 01:10:56,291 --> 01:11:00,495 And she said, "Oh, you lovely lady. 1657 01:11:00,495 --> 01:11:03,799 Somebody understands that I'm not Mary Richards, 1658 01:11:03,799 --> 01:11:07,001 that I'm not happy all the damn time." 1659 01:11:07,001 --> 01:11:12,072 - ♪ Its a long way to Tipperary ♪ - ♪ Long way to Tipperary ♪ 1660 01:11:12,072 --> 01:11:16,078 - ♪ To the sweetest girl I know ♪ - ♪ To the sweetest girl I know ♪ 1661 01:11:16,078 --> 01:11:17,279 (SMOOCHES) 1662 01:11:17,279 --> 01:11:19,448 MARY: It had been a whole week 1663 01:11:19,448 --> 01:11:23,284 of intermittent bursting into sobs for everybody. 1664 01:11:23,284 --> 01:11:25,521 - ♪ Farewell Leicester Square ♪ - ♪ Farewell Leicester Square ♪ 1665 01:11:25,521 --> 01:11:27,392 ♪ It's a long, long... ♪ 1666 01:11:30,361 --> 01:11:32,860 MARY: That moment of going back, opening the door 1667 01:11:32,860 --> 01:11:36,731 and looking around at the seven years that faced me 1668 01:11:36,731 --> 01:11:41,073 and that was about to go off, was sublimely tough. 1669 01:11:51,081 --> 01:11:54,182 {\an8}ANNOUNCER: Ladies and gentlemen, for the last time, 1670 01:11:54,182 --> 01:11:55,887 {\an8}Mary Tyler Moore. 1671 01:11:57,722 --> 01:11:58,690 MARY: Thank you. 1672 01:11:59,523 --> 01:12:02,525 The best cast ever. Ed Asner. 1673 01:12:02,525 --> 01:12:06,094 {\an8}(CROWD APPLAUDING, CHEERING) 1674 01:12:06,094 --> 01:12:08,067 {\an8}- SPECTATOR: Yeah! - Ted Knight. 1675 01:12:10,129 --> 01:12:12,837 {\an8}- SPECTATOR: Yeah! - Gavin MacLeod. 1676 01:12:14,605 --> 01:12:16,772 {\an8}SPECTATOR: Yeah, yeah, yeah! 1677 01:12:16,772 --> 01:12:17,809 {\an8}Betty White. 1678 01:12:20,773 --> 01:12:21,981 {\an8}Georgia Engel. 1679 01:12:25,249 --> 01:12:26,651 {\an8}Valerie Harper. 1680 01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:30,489 {\an8}And Cloris Leachman. 1681 01:12:34,825 --> 01:12:35,827 {\an8}Thank you. 1682 01:12:39,531 --> 01:12:41,630 {\an8}♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 1683 01:12:41,630 --> 01:12:44,103 ♪ (SOFT INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1684 01:12:46,570 --> 01:12:48,503 {\an8}RONA: You're not a perfect person. 1685 01:12:48,503 --> 01:12:49,705 {\an8}- I'm not a perf-- - Yes, I am. 1686 01:12:49,705 --> 01:12:51,306 {\an8}- RONA: Come now, Mary. - (CHUCKLES) 1687 01:12:51,306 --> 01:12:52,841 RONA: We know, I'm not perfect. 1688 01:12:52,841 --> 01:12:54,542 - You are not perfect. - Exactly. 1689 01:12:54,542 --> 01:12:56,178 - RONA: You know, there's this... - Yeah. 1690 01:12:56,178 --> 01:12:58,814 ...other side and you've coped a lot, 1691 01:12:58,814 --> 01:13:01,650 and I'd like to know how you get through it. 1692 01:13:01,650 --> 01:13:04,286 What do you use in order to get 1693 01:13:04,286 --> 01:13:06,558 through those very, very rough times? 1694 01:13:07,225 --> 01:13:08,727 You lost a sister. 1695 01:13:10,595 --> 01:13:12,222 {\an8}MARY: She was 21. 1696 01:13:12,222 --> 01:13:15,030 {\an8}She had been living with a young man 1697 01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:16,298 {\an8}whom she loved, 1698 01:13:16,298 --> 01:13:20,802 and he broke it off with her and she couldn't handle that. 1699 01:13:20,802 --> 01:13:25,341 And so she drank and she took barbiturates, 1700 01:13:25,341 --> 01:13:27,009 and nobody is sure 1701 01:13:27,009 --> 01:13:30,445 whether or not that was a purposeful act 1702 01:13:30,445 --> 01:13:35,316 but she died that night of an overdose. 1703 01:13:35,316 --> 01:13:37,585 RONA: What do you call upon 1704 01:13:37,585 --> 01:13:40,856 to get you through those kind of times? 1705 01:13:40,856 --> 01:13:43,595 I don't know how to describe it, except-- 1706 01:13:44,628 --> 01:13:48,430 You know, to use the word, survivor. 1707 01:13:48,430 --> 01:13:53,002 One who survives. I believe in tomorrow. 1708 01:13:53,002 --> 01:13:56,438 I believe that things that are painful... 1709 01:13:56,438 --> 01:14:01,080 uh, will not be as painful in some time. 1710 01:14:06,684 --> 01:14:09,250 ANNOUNCER: From television city in Hollywood. 1711 01:14:09,250 --> 01:14:14,023 ♪ I want to be happy ♪ 1712 01:14:14,023 --> 01:14:16,291 {\an8}ANNOUNCER: How to Be Your Own Best Friend. 1713 01:14:16,291 --> 01:14:19,394 {\an8}♪ I want to be happy ♪ 1714 01:14:19,394 --> 01:14:20,763 {\an8}ANNOUNCER: How to Survive the 70s 1715 01:14:20,763 --> 01:14:22,597 {\an8}and Maybe Even Bump Into Happiness. 1716 01:14:22,597 --> 01:14:26,101 Ladies and gentlemen, Mary Tyler Moore. 1717 01:14:26,101 --> 01:14:31,774 ♪ I want to be happy But I won't be happy ♪ 1718 01:14:31,774 --> 01:14:36,048 ♪ Till I make you happy too ♪ 1719 01:14:37,616 --> 01:14:39,147 RONA: What does friendship mean? 1720 01:14:39,147 --> 01:14:40,615 - Trust. - RONA: You're kind? 1721 01:14:40,615 --> 01:14:46,421 And respect for intelligence. Um, a compatibility. 1722 01:14:46,421 --> 01:14:48,994 It's almost like a marriage without sex. 1723 01:14:49,661 --> 01:14:51,426 Um, isn't it? 1724 01:14:51,426 --> 01:14:53,565 - Really. Yeah. - RONA: Of sorts? 1725 01:14:54,532 --> 01:14:55,964 Enjoying the same things, 1726 01:14:55,964 --> 01:14:58,600 being able to fight and fight fairly. 1727 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,969 RONA: Do you think that's what ruins marriage? 1728 01:15:00,969 --> 01:15:03,608 - Sex? (LAUGHS) - RONA: Is that the sex-- Yeah. 1729 01:15:04,842 --> 01:15:06,075 REPORTER: Actress Mary Tyler Moore 1730 01:15:06,075 --> 01:15:09,344 has filed for divorce from her husband, Grant Tinker. 1731 01:15:09,344 --> 01:15:10,745 The two were married for 18 years 1732 01:15:10,745 --> 01:15:14,082 and together they created and ran MTM Enterprises, 1733 01:15:14,082 --> 01:15:14,984 the television company 1734 01:15:14,984 --> 01:15:17,518 that gave us The Mary Tyler Moore Show. 1735 01:15:17,518 --> 01:15:20,488 RONA: What really started the process 1736 01:15:20,488 --> 01:15:24,092 of Mary Tyler Moore saying to herself, 1737 01:15:24,092 --> 01:15:28,597 "The time has come for me to become an independent person, 1738 01:15:28,597 --> 01:15:31,801 no longer attached to a husband." 1739 01:15:31,801 --> 01:15:33,468 You moved back to New York City. 1740 01:15:33,468 --> 01:15:34,703 - MARY: Yes. - RONA: And you said to me, 1741 01:15:34,703 --> 01:15:36,338 New York City was gonna provide me 1742 01:15:36,338 --> 01:15:37,705 with a new kind of life. 1743 01:15:37,705 --> 01:15:41,409 You divorced after some 17, 18 years of marriage. 1744 01:15:41,409 --> 01:15:42,978 Is it difficult to be on your own? 1745 01:15:42,978 --> 01:15:44,846 MARY: Oh, yeah. It's very difficult. 1746 01:15:44,846 --> 01:15:47,049 Marriage relationships or lover relationships 1747 01:15:47,049 --> 01:15:49,217 are destined to last a certain amount of time. 1748 01:15:49,217 --> 01:15:51,853 Never think of that as a failed marriage. 1749 01:15:51,853 --> 01:15:54,923 And it has nothing to do with why a marriage ends. 1750 01:15:54,923 --> 01:15:56,858 Who wants it to end, who doesn't. 1751 01:15:56,858 --> 01:15:59,228 It's just completely alien to you 1752 01:15:59,228 --> 01:16:01,196 after that amount of time. 1753 01:16:01,196 --> 01:16:02,664 It's a big transition to make. 1754 01:16:02,664 --> 01:16:06,902 In my case, it coincided with a change in career 1755 01:16:06,902 --> 01:16:09,438 and it may have looked as though I calculated, 1756 01:16:09,438 --> 01:16:11,173 "Oh, now, I'm going to end my marriage. 1757 01:16:11,173 --> 01:16:13,575 I'm going to do drama. I'm going to move to New York." 1758 01:16:13,575 --> 01:16:15,981 And it truly didn't happen that way. 1759 01:16:17,949 --> 01:16:19,375 TREVA: I knew she was in New York 1760 01:16:19,375 --> 01:16:21,416 because she was starring in a play 1761 01:16:21,416 --> 01:16:22,950 {\an8}called Whose Life Is Anyway? 1762 01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:26,389 {\an8}which was diametrically different from Mary Richards. 1763 01:16:26,389 --> 01:16:27,522 It was a drama 1764 01:16:27,522 --> 01:16:30,992 with a lot of sarcastic, sardonic humor 1765 01:16:30,992 --> 01:16:33,861 of a woman fighting for the right to die. 1766 01:16:33,861 --> 01:16:37,098 {\an8}MANNY: The phone rang and it was Mary Tyler Moore 1767 01:16:37,098 --> 01:16:39,301 {\an8}who said, "I want to do that play." 1768 01:16:39,301 --> 01:16:41,269 The extraordinary part was, 1769 01:16:41,269 --> 01:16:46,274 Mary Tyler Moore was a major, major star in this country 1770 01:16:46,274 --> 01:16:49,111 and she decided to walk away from that. 1771 01:16:49,111 --> 01:16:51,513 And she came to the first rehearsal 1772 01:16:51,513 --> 01:16:53,018 fully memorized. 1773 01:16:55,819 --> 01:16:57,752 MARY: Well, I didn't really leave television. 1774 01:16:57,752 --> 01:17:00,890 What happened then was that I was offered the play, 1775 01:17:00,890 --> 01:17:02,091 Whose Life is it Anyway? 1776 01:17:02,091 --> 01:17:05,226 And it was so beautifully written and... 1777 01:17:05,226 --> 01:17:08,397 had already been a success with Tom Conti starring in it 1778 01:17:08,397 --> 01:17:10,065 that I wanted to try that. 1779 01:17:10,065 --> 01:17:13,335 MANNY: Mary Tyler Moore replaced Tom Conti 1780 01:17:13,335 --> 01:17:14,769 who had won the Tony. 1781 01:17:14,769 --> 01:17:17,172 And it's a rare item that somebody goes in 1782 01:17:17,172 --> 01:17:20,109 after a star and replicates the role. 1783 01:17:20,109 --> 01:17:21,343 I'm not quite sure 1784 01:17:21,343 --> 01:17:25,547 what the impetus for her doing that play was. 1785 01:17:25,547 --> 01:17:29,551 Everyone will take credit for it because it was a unique moment 1786 01:17:29,551 --> 01:17:31,447 that hadn't been done before. 1787 01:17:31,447 --> 01:17:34,522 I suspect it was always her idea. 1788 01:17:34,522 --> 01:17:36,119 The truth is, I didn't think of it, 1789 01:17:36,119 --> 01:17:37,392 nor did the director. 1790 01:17:37,392 --> 01:17:39,427 {\an8}MICHAEL LINDSAY-HOGG: We talked about it and she said, 1791 01:17:39,427 --> 01:17:42,064 {\an8}did I think it would work with a woman playing the part? 1792 01:17:42,064 --> 01:17:43,931 {\an8}And I thought, "Why wouldn't it?" 1793 01:17:43,931 --> 01:17:48,136 {\an8}And so, Mary came to New York and we started rehearsing. 1794 01:17:48,136 --> 01:17:49,938 MANNY: She was ahead of the game. 1795 01:17:49,938 --> 01:17:53,874 Not only did she replace the man who won the Tony, 1796 01:17:53,874 --> 01:17:57,045 but this was one of the most glamorous women in America. 1797 01:17:57,045 --> 01:18:00,949 And she decided to play a woman that was paralyzed 1798 01:18:00,949 --> 01:18:02,784 and had a sheet covering her 1799 01:18:02,784 --> 01:18:05,190 in a hospital bed for the entire evening. 1800 01:18:06,723 --> 01:18:08,523 You were so successful for so many years, 1801 01:18:08,523 --> 01:18:10,091 {\an8}it's just like people are waiting 1802 01:18:10,091 --> 01:18:13,329 {\an8}for someone as successful as you are to have a failure. 1803 01:18:13,329 --> 01:18:14,629 {\an8}And they were-- 1804 01:18:14,629 --> 01:18:16,526 It seems true that they were hoping 1805 01:18:16,526 --> 01:18:17,999 maybe you'd just retire from show business 1806 01:18:17,999 --> 01:18:19,869 but you didn't. You went to the Broadway play, 1807 01:18:19,869 --> 01:18:21,504 which was not an easy thing to do. 1808 01:18:21,504 --> 01:18:22,570 Oh, I... I don't have 1809 01:18:22,570 --> 01:18:24,205 such a jaded view of people. (CHUCKLES) 1810 01:18:24,205 --> 01:18:26,875 It's that, I think there are maybe about 17 people 1811 01:18:26,875 --> 01:18:28,110 who hope you fall on your face... 1812 01:18:28,110 --> 01:18:29,778 - LETTERMAN: Yeah. - ...but we tend to magnify that. 1813 01:18:29,778 --> 01:18:30,980 I don't think it's true. 1814 01:18:30,980 --> 01:18:33,185 I'm awfully glad I did that play. 1815 01:18:34,985 --> 01:18:39,020 {\an8}TREVA: She was extraordinary. She got incredible reviews. 1816 01:18:39,020 --> 01:18:40,989 MARY: It was a terrific achievement for me. 1817 01:18:40,989 --> 01:18:44,460 It exonerated me from Breakfast at Tiffany's, 1818 01:18:44,460 --> 01:18:45,693 and again it showed 1819 01:18:45,693 --> 01:18:48,229 a rather skeptical New York contingent 1820 01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:51,833 that there might be something to television after all. 1821 01:18:51,833 --> 01:18:55,203 TREVA: I went backstage to see her and I told her 1822 01:18:55,203 --> 01:18:59,641 there was not one gesture, not one single thing 1823 01:18:59,641 --> 01:19:02,344 that was a Mary Richards kind of thing. 1824 01:19:02,344 --> 01:19:04,112 And she said... (GASPING) "...I'm so glad 1825 01:19:04,112 --> 01:19:07,282 because you're the first person from the show who's been here." 1826 01:19:07,282 --> 01:19:10,051 And she said, "I was very, very intent 1827 01:19:10,051 --> 01:19:13,158 on not doing any Mary Richards." 1828 01:19:14,258 --> 01:19:16,426 Funnily enough, The Mary Tyler Moore Show 1829 01:19:16,426 --> 01:19:18,660 now mirrors my life. 1830 01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:20,763 Uh, when I was filming that show, 1831 01:19:20,763 --> 01:19:22,330 I was married, I was born married. 1832 01:19:22,330 --> 01:19:24,900 I'd never had the single experience, you know? 1833 01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:28,170 And for the last three years, I've been on my own, 1834 01:19:28,170 --> 01:19:30,873 and now living almost every one of the episodes 1835 01:19:30,873 --> 01:19:32,074 that we filmed. (LAUGHING) 1836 01:19:32,074 --> 01:19:33,908 All those situations, I can now say, 1837 01:19:33,908 --> 01:19:38,413 "Oh, now, I really understand what was happening." 1838 01:19:38,413 --> 01:19:40,282 I decided to stay in New York 1839 01:19:40,282 --> 01:19:44,853 and try to capture my life for myself. 1840 01:19:44,853 --> 01:19:47,389 {\an8}TREVA: Here she was, 40, seeing what life 1841 01:19:47,389 --> 01:19:51,326 {\an8}for an adorable single person was like. 1842 01:19:51,326 --> 01:19:54,529 And she loved what it was like. (CHUCKLING) 1843 01:19:54,529 --> 01:19:58,634 The only way I could say it is that she was more like Rhoda. 1844 01:19:58,634 --> 01:20:00,472 It was wonderful. 1845 01:20:01,506 --> 01:20:02,370 Adolescence. 1846 01:20:02,370 --> 01:20:04,206 I think that's what I'm going through now. 1847 01:20:04,206 --> 01:20:05,907 And I think that's a positive term 1848 01:20:05,907 --> 01:20:07,809 as opposed to a negative one. 1849 01:20:07,809 --> 01:20:11,080 And I think it will make me a better actress. 1850 01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:14,983 MARY: I dated, I made friends. I had a little apartment. 1851 01:20:14,983 --> 01:20:16,886 I did my own shopping. 1852 01:20:16,886 --> 01:20:20,225 I sort of played house, but in real life. 1853 01:20:22,293 --> 01:20:24,125 New Yorkers are really very friendly. 1854 01:20:24,125 --> 01:20:25,493 I get truck drivers and cabbies, 1855 01:20:25,493 --> 01:20:29,564 "Hey, Mar, it's good to see you. Love the show." (CHUCKLES) 1856 01:20:29,564 --> 01:20:34,670 MARY: You're in it, in humanity and all kinds of people, 1857 01:20:34,670 --> 01:20:37,339 not just one class of people. 1858 01:20:37,339 --> 01:20:39,609 Because Grant was so much a part of my life, 1859 01:20:39,609 --> 01:20:41,043 I felt no need for friends 1860 01:20:41,043 --> 01:20:42,878 except those people with whom I was working. 1861 01:20:42,878 --> 01:20:45,080 But now, I have many friends. 1862 01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:48,417 {\an8}TREVA: Her humor didn't come out so much in L.A. 1863 01:20:48,417 --> 01:20:52,315 {\an8}But in New York, she was loose, and free and funny, 1864 01:20:52,315 --> 01:20:54,990 which was adorable. 1865 01:20:54,990 --> 01:20:58,463 {\an8}BILL: Everybody wanted to take out Mary Tyler Moore. 1866 01:20:59,731 --> 01:21:00,829 {\an8}RONA: Are you dating? 1867 01:21:00,829 --> 01:21:03,498 {\an8}MARY: Oh, I hate that word. (CHUCKLING) 1868 01:21:03,498 --> 01:21:07,002 I see people. I go out to dinner with people. 1869 01:21:07,002 --> 01:21:10,738 I travel with people and I consider them my friends. 1870 01:21:10,738 --> 01:21:14,577 {\an8}MICHAEL: We had a relationship while the show was going on. 1871 01:21:14,577 --> 01:21:16,078 {\an8}We were helping each other. 1872 01:21:16,078 --> 01:21:19,114 {\an8}I was trying to make her really good in the play. 1873 01:21:19,114 --> 01:21:22,884 There was a part of Mary which was absolutely delightful 1874 01:21:22,884 --> 01:21:24,219 and very funny. 1875 01:21:24,219 --> 01:21:26,849 But then, there was another part of her, 1876 01:21:26,849 --> 01:21:30,859 which was nervous as a person who is wondering 1877 01:21:30,859 --> 01:21:32,664 if they've made the right choice. 1878 01:21:38,102 --> 01:21:39,368 PRESENTER: A good evening and welcome 1879 01:21:39,368 --> 01:21:43,138 {\an8}to the 34th annual presentation of the Tony Awards. 1880 01:21:43,138 --> 01:21:44,974 The ultimate test for a performer 1881 01:21:44,974 --> 01:21:46,408 is the naked stage. 1882 01:21:46,408 --> 01:21:49,377 It takes courage for someone who's made a successful career 1883 01:21:49,377 --> 01:21:51,613 in another medium to chance this. 1884 01:21:51,613 --> 01:21:55,517 So, when someone does take a chance and brings it off, 1885 01:21:55,517 --> 01:22:00,092 she, in this case, she wins our respect. 1886 01:22:01,092 --> 01:22:03,124 The people who administer the Tony Awards 1887 01:22:03,124 --> 01:22:05,360 have this year in their wisdom 1888 01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:10,031 decided to give a special award to Mary Tyler Moore. 1889 01:22:10,031 --> 01:22:13,072 (AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 1890 01:22:25,016 --> 01:22:28,083 This, um, will symbolize for me 1891 01:22:28,083 --> 01:22:31,186 forever the absolute joy in creative risk-taking. 1892 01:22:31,186 --> 01:22:33,088 It's the essence of live theater 1893 01:22:33,088 --> 01:22:36,925 and I am so very proud to be now a part of that community. 1894 01:22:36,925 --> 01:22:39,394 My deepest thanks to Manny Azenberg 1895 01:22:39,394 --> 01:22:41,462 for inviting me and to all of you 1896 01:22:41,462 --> 01:22:45,734 for this very warm welcome. I love the neighborhood. 1897 01:22:45,734 --> 01:22:47,139 Thank you. 1898 01:22:55,279 --> 01:22:56,912 {\an8}MICHAEL: At one point, Mary wanted 1899 01:22:56,912 --> 01:22:58,679 {\an8}an exclusive relationship 1900 01:22:58,679 --> 01:23:00,715 {\an8}but then she said, "But I don't know what I mean." 1901 01:23:00,715 --> 01:23:03,085 {\an8}It wasn't like she wanted to get married again. 1902 01:23:03,085 --> 01:23:04,819 There was the issue, 1903 01:23:04,819 --> 01:23:09,224 which was an occasional issue then of Mary's drinking. 1904 01:23:09,224 --> 01:23:12,360 One vodka on the rocks at dinner, she'd be great. 1905 01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:14,796 Two vodkas on the rocks, same. 1906 01:23:14,796 --> 01:23:18,266 {\an8}But usually if she had a third cocktail and some wine, 1907 01:23:18,266 --> 01:23:21,603 she got slightly belligerent. She'd lose concentration. 1908 01:23:21,603 --> 01:23:25,675 And so whatever conversation you were having 1909 01:23:25,675 --> 01:23:27,376 might take a wrong turn. 1910 01:23:27,376 --> 01:23:30,412 MARY: I found myself not going out after five o'clock 1911 01:23:30,412 --> 01:23:34,182 {\an8}and making sure that everything was set up for me near the phone 1912 01:23:34,182 --> 01:23:35,450 {\an8}that was near the television. 1913 01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:38,153 And that I had my blender full of drinks 1914 01:23:38,153 --> 01:23:39,554 that I was concocting 1915 01:23:39,554 --> 01:23:43,024 in an attempt to do something worthwhile in the kitchen. 1916 01:23:43,024 --> 01:23:44,960 (CHUCKLING) It was a pretty sad lady 1917 01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,494 that was emerging. 1918 01:23:46,494 --> 01:23:48,396 LETTERMAN: I saw this movie, Ordinary People. 1919 01:23:48,396 --> 01:23:50,833 What a-- It's a killer. It's just terrific. 1920 01:23:50,833 --> 01:23:52,233 - Thank you very much. - And... 1921 01:23:52,233 --> 01:23:54,369 (AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 1922 01:23:54,369 --> 01:23:55,971 Did you have to wait in line for a long time? 1923 01:23:55,971 --> 01:23:57,776 I waited in line for about an hour. 1924 01:23:58,877 --> 01:24:00,810 {\an8}- (GASPS) - Oh, I'm sorry. 1925 01:24:00,810 --> 01:24:02,244 {\an8}Don't do that. 1926 01:24:02,244 --> 01:24:04,714 Who had the foresight to say, "She'd be great"? 1927 01:24:04,714 --> 01:24:06,114 Well... Bob Redford, um... 1928 01:24:06,114 --> 01:24:07,816 told me that when he had first read the book 1929 01:24:07,816 --> 01:24:09,218 in galley form, four years before 1930 01:24:09,218 --> 01:24:11,152 he had envisioned me as... as the mother 1931 01:24:11,152 --> 01:24:12,521 before he knew he was going to... 1932 01:24:12,521 --> 01:24:15,123 buy the... the property and make a movie. 1933 01:24:15,123 --> 01:24:17,592 And he said also that he had always been fascinated 1934 01:24:17,592 --> 01:24:20,824 by what might be the dark side of Mary Tyler Moore. 1935 01:24:20,824 --> 01:24:22,364 because in most everything I've done, 1936 01:24:22,364 --> 01:24:24,299 it's been sunny, and open, and optimistic. 1937 01:24:24,299 --> 01:24:27,068 And he knew, that little devil, that there... (CHUCKLES) 1938 01:24:27,068 --> 01:24:29,671 ...there was a lot of other stuff happening. 1939 01:24:29,671 --> 01:24:31,306 {\an8}ROBERT REDFORD: I had a place in Malibu. 1940 01:24:31,306 --> 01:24:33,175 {\an8}I was sitting there just looking out the ocean 1941 01:24:33,175 --> 01:24:34,542 {\an8}and suddenly this woman walks by. 1942 01:24:34,542 --> 01:24:37,079 {\an8}What it looked like to me was that she was sad. 1943 01:24:37,079 --> 01:24:39,614 I said, "Oh, that's Mary Tyler Moore." 1944 01:24:39,614 --> 01:24:41,682 And we had always seen Mary Tyler Moore as this 1945 01:24:41,682 --> 01:24:45,020 happy-go-lucky, upbeat, wonderful, wonderful character 1946 01:24:45,020 --> 01:24:47,222 who was full of joy and innocence. 1947 01:24:47,222 --> 01:24:52,394 {\an8}In the film, Beth's... barrenness of emotion 1948 01:24:52,394 --> 01:24:54,866 {\an8}derives from the fact that she lost her son Buck 1949 01:24:55,299 --> 01:24:57,060 in an accident 1950 01:24:57,060 --> 01:25:00,335 and that she can't deal with the surviving son 1951 01:25:00,335 --> 01:25:02,805 because of what this has done to her. 1952 01:25:02,805 --> 01:25:04,206 - CALVIN: That is great. - Do it. 1953 01:25:04,206 --> 01:25:06,408 - Calvin. - Just a second. Smile. 1954 01:25:06,408 --> 01:25:08,476 - Calvin. Give me the camera. - No, I didn't get it yet, Beth. 1955 01:25:08,476 --> 01:25:10,478 - Come on, give me the camera. - Dad, give her the camera. 1956 01:25:10,478 --> 01:25:12,447 MARY: That was such a change of pace 1957 01:25:12,447 --> 01:25:15,417 that a woman could be so brittle inside 1958 01:25:15,417 --> 01:25:19,120 that she could alienate her son. I saw her as a victim. 1959 01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:20,559 All right. What do you think? 1960 01:25:22,727 --> 01:25:23,691 Very nice. 1961 01:25:23,691 --> 01:25:26,728 I saw her as very reminiscent of my own life. 1962 01:25:26,728 --> 01:25:29,331 If it's starting all over again, the lying, the covering up, 1963 01:25:29,331 --> 01:25:30,432 the disappearing for hours, 1964 01:25:30,432 --> 01:25:31,766 I will not stand for it. I can't stand it. 1965 01:25:31,766 --> 01:25:34,502 - I really can't. - Well, don't then, go to Europe. 1966 01:25:34,502 --> 01:25:36,538 {\an8}ROB: When I saw her in Ordinary People, 1967 01:25:36,538 --> 01:25:39,374 {\an8}I thought that's more like who she is. 1968 01:25:39,374 --> 01:25:41,877 She didn't want to talk about things 1969 01:25:41,877 --> 01:25:43,645 that were uncomfortable. 1970 01:25:43,645 --> 01:25:46,248 {\an8}JOHN: I'd seen some of that in Mary 1971 01:25:46,248 --> 01:25:49,118 {\an8}in her more serious moments with my father. 1972 01:25:49,118 --> 01:25:52,424 I'd seen that pensiveness, the hand wringing. 1973 01:25:53,624 --> 01:25:56,291 You drink too much at parties, Calvin. 1974 01:25:56,291 --> 01:25:59,662 JOHN: I'd seen anger, hurt, confusion, 1975 01:25:59,662 --> 01:26:02,932 the inability to connect with Rich. 1976 01:26:02,932 --> 01:26:04,536 I'd seen flashes of that. 1977 01:26:10,207 --> 01:26:13,074 You were, uh, loved and adored as Mary Richards, 1978 01:26:13,074 --> 01:26:15,544 who was anything but what Beth is. 1979 01:26:15,544 --> 01:26:17,712 And now you're loved and adored 1980 01:26:17,712 --> 01:26:20,415 because you're just kind of a... a nas-- 1981 01:26:20,415 --> 01:26:22,017 - Not a nasty person, but-- - MARY: I don't know 1982 01:26:22,017 --> 01:26:23,518 if I'm loved and adored. 1983 01:26:23,518 --> 01:26:25,286 In times past, people would come up to me 1984 01:26:25,286 --> 01:26:27,156 in the street and say, "Hey Mar, how are you?" 1985 01:26:27,156 --> 01:26:29,358 Now, they're going, "Ah, hi." 1986 01:26:29,358 --> 01:26:31,626 (CHUCKLES) But that's terrific, I mean... 1987 01:26:31,626 --> 01:26:34,129 JAMES: In 1980, in a grim instance 1988 01:26:34,129 --> 01:26:36,235 of life mirroring art... 1989 01:26:37,767 --> 01:26:40,639 {\an8}you faced a new torment, did you not? That echoed... 1990 01:26:41,940 --> 01:26:44,409 {\an8}the death of that son in Ordinary People. 1991 01:26:45,309 --> 01:26:46,842 REPORTER 1: The son of television star 1992 01:26:46,842 --> 01:26:49,011 Mary Tyler Moore is dead. 1993 01:26:49,011 --> 01:26:51,179 REPORTER 2: But the coroner is still doing tests 1994 01:26:51,179 --> 01:26:53,382 to determine if 24-year-old Richard Meeker 1995 01:26:53,382 --> 01:26:55,420 deliberately shot himself. 1996 01:26:56,955 --> 01:27:01,426 MARY: He died in an accident with a gun. 1997 01:27:06,830 --> 01:27:08,863 {\an8}JOHN: The reports that it had been a suicide 1998 01:27:08,863 --> 01:27:12,700 {\an8}would further cause anguish and it just was so unfair. 1999 01:27:12,700 --> 01:27:16,439 There was no doubt in my mind from the very beginning 2000 01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:18,506 that that was an accident. 2001 01:27:18,506 --> 01:27:22,381 I knew Rich, I knew he could be... careless. 2002 01:27:23,548 --> 01:27:25,246 He loved life too much. 2003 01:27:25,246 --> 01:27:28,817 He was a really lovable goof. 2004 01:27:28,817 --> 01:27:33,784 He explored. He loved people. He had a huge heart. 2005 01:27:33,784 --> 01:27:35,524 Yet he had a side of him 2006 01:27:35,524 --> 01:27:37,759 that was just a little accident prone. 2007 01:27:37,759 --> 01:27:40,462 MARY: He had a gun collection. He was lying on his bed 2008 01:27:40,462 --> 01:27:42,534 and he was fooling with one of them. 2009 01:27:43,701 --> 01:27:45,433 {\an8}RONDA: When I viewed that movie, 2010 01:27:45,433 --> 01:27:47,870 {\an8}I thought Richie had already died 2011 01:27:47,870 --> 01:27:50,072 {\an8}when she played that role. 2012 01:27:50,072 --> 01:27:55,480 {\an8}And then it turned out that life imitated art, sadly. 2013 01:28:04,488 --> 01:28:05,753 {\an8}TREVA: Richie died three weeks 2014 01:28:05,753 --> 01:28:08,323 {\an8}after the premier of Ordinary People. 2015 01:28:08,323 --> 01:28:10,526 {\an8}So, the Oscar nomination for best actress 2016 01:28:10,526 --> 01:28:12,697 {\an8}that followed was bittersweet. 2017 01:28:17,667 --> 01:28:20,335 {\an8}DUSTIN: For her role as a mother unable and unwilling 2018 01:28:20,335 --> 01:28:23,238 {\an8}to bend her own self-imposed restrictions 2019 01:28:23,238 --> 01:28:25,174 {\an8}on the meaning of love and life, 2020 01:28:25,174 --> 01:28:28,477 Ms. Mary Tyler Moore in Ordinary People. 2021 01:28:28,477 --> 01:28:31,747 {\an8}(AUDIENCE CHEERS, APPLAUDS) 2022 01:28:31,747 --> 01:28:35,183 {\an8}Ladies and gentlemen of the Academy, 2023 01:28:35,183 --> 01:28:38,318 {\an8}your choice is Miss Sissy Spacek. 2024 01:28:41,024 --> 01:28:44,292 {\an8}BILL: When Richie died, that really changed her. 2025 01:28:44,292 --> 01:28:46,796 {\an8}She was, like, really searching herself. 2026 01:28:46,796 --> 01:28:49,797 That had an effect on her that lasted. 2027 01:28:49,797 --> 01:28:52,568 RONA: There are people who have the same experience 2028 01:28:52,568 --> 01:28:54,569 and then they stop living. 2029 01:28:54,569 --> 01:28:57,472 They don't know how to go on. They don't know how to cope, 2030 01:28:57,472 --> 01:29:00,209 and they don't know how to make the next step. 2031 01:29:00,209 --> 01:29:01,914 Yeah, well, he would've hated that. 2032 01:29:02,780 --> 01:29:05,484 He would not have wanted that to happen. 2033 01:29:09,854 --> 01:29:11,056 I'm still angry. 2034 01:29:12,691 --> 01:29:14,859 I haven't quite reconciled it. 2035 01:29:15,655 --> 01:29:17,225 Um... 2036 01:29:17,225 --> 01:29:20,532 I don't have a religious belief that... 2037 01:29:22,094 --> 01:29:24,469 I can rely on that says, "Well... 2038 01:29:26,370 --> 01:29:28,303 we are here on earth to put-- 2039 01:29:28,303 --> 01:29:30,109 To prove ourselves worthy of heaven." 2040 01:29:31,370 --> 01:29:34,646 So, I have anger and I'm working through that. 2041 01:29:49,726 --> 01:29:51,997 ♪ (SOFT INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2042 01:30:07,144 --> 01:30:09,077 {\an8}DR. ROBERT LEVINE: In her high school yearbook, 2043 01:30:09,077 --> 01:30:11,279 {\an8}Mary wrote, "The world is ready 2044 01:30:11,279 --> 01:30:14,444 {\an8}to welcome talent with open arms." 2045 01:30:14,444 --> 01:30:19,721 It was through talent that she could gain acceptance. 2046 01:30:19,721 --> 01:30:22,924 She understood that talent was the thing 2047 01:30:22,924 --> 01:30:26,128 that was going to be her life, was going to save her life. 2048 01:30:26,128 --> 01:30:28,934 And was going to gain the attention that she craved. 2049 01:30:30,234 --> 01:30:33,802 I wouldn't call her reserved. She was determined. 2050 01:30:33,802 --> 01:30:36,004 Just because you have a smile on your face 2051 01:30:36,004 --> 01:30:38,740 doesn't mean you're not ready to go to battle. 2052 01:30:38,740 --> 01:30:41,643 The full story of Mary was both, 2053 01:30:41,643 --> 01:30:45,017 the fighter and the person so willing to offer a smile. 2054 01:30:49,019 --> 01:30:53,592 {\an8}TREVA: How she and Robert met was out of a fairytale. 2055 01:30:55,859 --> 01:31:01,429 {\an8}BEVERLY: Her mom and her dad and Mary had gone to Rome. 2056 01:31:01,429 --> 01:31:04,103 She got an audience with the Pope. 2057 01:31:05,869 --> 01:31:08,003 MARY: My mom and dad and I were coming back from Europe 2058 01:31:08,003 --> 01:31:10,138 and the plane landed in New York. 2059 01:31:10,138 --> 01:31:12,841 My mother was very ill with a bronchial infection, 2060 01:31:12,841 --> 01:31:16,445 so I called my doctor and it was Rosh Hashanah 2061 01:31:16,445 --> 01:31:18,748 He was at temple. But there was a Dr. Levine, 2062 01:31:18,748 --> 01:31:21,183 who for whatever his own personal reasons, 2063 01:31:21,183 --> 01:31:22,483 {\an8}was not at temple. 2064 01:31:22,483 --> 01:31:24,687 {\an8}ROBERT: I was the only Jewish doctor working. 2065 01:31:24,687 --> 01:31:27,957 {\an8}I really didn't know who Mary was. 2066 01:31:27,957 --> 01:31:30,625 MARY: So, we took her over to Mount Sinai Hospital 2067 01:31:30,625 --> 01:31:32,322 and while he gave her the once over, 2068 01:31:32,322 --> 01:31:34,864 {\an8}- I did the same to him. (LAUGHS) - (LAUGHS) 2069 01:31:34,864 --> 01:31:36,498 {\an8}- MARY: And... and thought... - Mary! 2070 01:31:36,498 --> 01:31:39,268 {\an8}Well, now, exactly my very words, Sarah, 2071 01:31:39,268 --> 01:31:40,769 - "Mary!" - Okay. 2072 01:31:40,769 --> 01:31:42,838 Because I was a few years older than he 2073 01:31:42,838 --> 01:31:45,040 and, well, probably still am. 2074 01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,842 ROBERT: I went to her apartment a couple days later 2075 01:31:47,842 --> 01:31:50,645 just to examine her mom. Her mom was doing well. 2076 01:31:50,645 --> 01:31:53,343 So, I said, "You're clear to go back to Los Angeles." 2077 01:31:53,343 --> 01:31:55,050 Mary then said, "You know, Dr. Levine, 2078 01:31:55,050 --> 01:31:58,219 I haven't been feeling that well either. 2079 01:31:58,219 --> 01:31:59,925 Could you listen to my chest?" 2080 01:32:01,525 --> 01:32:03,791 As I was leaving, I said to Mary, 2081 01:32:03,791 --> 01:32:06,526 "If anything comes up, just give me a call." 2082 01:32:07,198 --> 01:32:08,230 So, Mary said, 2083 01:32:08,230 --> 01:32:12,234 "Is acute loneliness a good enough reason to call?" 2084 01:32:12,234 --> 01:32:14,269 And I said, "I can't think of a better reason 2085 01:32:14,269 --> 01:32:15,838 to be awakened at 3:00 a.m." 2086 01:32:15,838 --> 01:32:16,705 (RINGING) 2087 01:32:16,705 --> 01:32:18,040 {\an8}BEVERLY: She called me on the phone 2088 01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:20,741 {\an8}at 2:00 in the morning and she said, 2089 01:32:20,741 --> 01:32:22,543 {\an8}"I have just met the most wonderful man." 2090 01:32:22,543 --> 01:32:24,579 I said, "It's two o'clock in the morning." 2091 01:32:24,579 --> 01:32:27,750 She said, "He's just wonderful. He's young." 2092 01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:30,051 And I said, "So?" 2093 01:32:30,051 --> 01:32:32,721 ROBERT: So, a few days later, 3:00 a.m., she did call me, 2094 01:32:32,721 --> 01:32:35,723 and she said to me, "Do you cook?" 2095 01:32:35,723 --> 01:32:37,993 And I lied and said, "No." And so she said, 2096 01:32:37,993 --> 01:32:40,095 "Well, I guess we'll have to go out to dinner." 2097 01:32:40,095 --> 01:32:42,164 BEVERLY: The minute he came into Mary's life, 2098 01:32:42,164 --> 01:32:45,137 she fell in love for the first time in her life. 2099 01:32:48,305 --> 01:32:50,205 I wasn't well equipped 2100 01:32:50,205 --> 01:32:53,108 to have a first date with someone like Mary 2101 01:32:53,108 --> 01:32:55,910 because I wasn't a person who dated at all. 2102 01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:59,214 I didn't have any moves, if you will. I had no game. 2103 01:32:59,214 --> 01:33:01,720 I think that was what Mary may have liked about me. 2104 01:33:04,722 --> 01:33:07,255 Welcome to Malibu East... 2105 01:33:07,255 --> 01:33:10,795 - (CROWD CHUCKLE) - (CHUCKLES) ...here in Quehog. 2106 01:33:11,761 --> 01:33:14,330 - That's my mom. - Beautiful downtown Quehog. 2107 01:33:14,330 --> 01:33:15,597 Are you good, Pam? 2108 01:33:15,597 --> 01:33:16,932 PAM: Yeah. Now, I'm taking pictures. 2109 01:33:16,932 --> 01:33:18,634 - MARY: Dad, take a picture of-- - No, keep it, Pam. 2110 01:33:18,634 --> 01:33:21,106 - MARY: This is Robert. - Hello. 2111 01:33:22,206 --> 01:33:24,539 ROBERT: So, Mary was 18 years older than me. 2112 01:33:24,539 --> 01:33:27,676 I was an old man by the time I met her. 2113 01:33:27,676 --> 01:33:30,012 And she was still a young woman. 2114 01:33:30,012 --> 01:33:31,781 MARY: So, Robert is a very old soul. 2115 01:33:31,781 --> 01:33:33,148 And I'm probably the baby. 2116 01:33:33,148 --> 01:33:35,117 I'm the brat of the relationship. (CHUCKLING) 2117 01:33:35,117 --> 01:33:38,020 But that's really not true. Um, that's a joke. 2118 01:33:38,020 --> 01:33:41,484 Well, the truth is that I have always depended 2119 01:33:41,484 --> 01:33:44,392 on an older, stronger influence in my life, 2120 01:33:44,392 --> 01:33:46,028 whether it was husband or father. 2121 01:33:46,028 --> 01:33:48,063 And there came a time in my life, 2122 01:33:48,063 --> 01:33:50,232 coincidentally just when I met Robert 2123 01:33:50,232 --> 01:33:51,233 and the magic was there 2124 01:33:51,233 --> 01:33:54,736 that I was ready to be my own person. 2125 01:33:54,736 --> 01:33:57,372 So, with Robert, it was an opportunity to say, 2126 01:33:57,372 --> 01:34:01,537 "Okay, now this is truly equal. You got nothing to fear here 2127 01:34:01,537 --> 01:34:03,945 'cause, look, how much younger he is than you. 2128 01:34:03,945 --> 01:34:07,082 You have the experience now." It always appears that I've been 2129 01:34:07,082 --> 01:34:09,284 vitally independent but not truly 2130 01:34:09,284 --> 01:34:12,054 in my private life, I was very much a person 2131 01:34:12,054 --> 01:34:14,389 who liked being directed and led. 2132 01:34:14,389 --> 01:34:16,825 RONA: Does Mary Tyler Moore wanna get married again? 2133 01:34:16,825 --> 01:34:20,399 I don't think so. No. I don't see any need for that. 2134 01:34:22,599 --> 01:34:25,700 {\an8}We're doing this roast for Mary Tyler Moore 2135 01:34:25,700 --> 01:34:29,538 {\an8}because soon she'll be Mary Tyler Levine. 2136 01:34:29,538 --> 01:34:31,540 {\an8}(BOTH LAUGH) 2137 01:34:31,540 --> 01:34:33,408 {\an8}- You're sure? - Yes, I am. 2138 01:34:33,408 --> 01:34:37,012 Okay. So, who will start? Betty. 2139 01:34:37,012 --> 01:34:40,783 Betty White will now start with the roast potatoes. 2140 01:34:40,783 --> 01:34:42,484 BETTY: It's not a roast, it isn't. 2141 01:34:42,484 --> 01:34:43,819 - It's a paean. - BEVERLY: It's ham! 2142 01:34:43,819 --> 01:34:46,254 {\an8}BETTY: It's a paean of... of gratitude. 2143 01:34:46,254 --> 01:34:49,689 {\an8}It's a... It's a thing that we should all... 2144 01:34:50,495 --> 01:34:51,587 We all wanna do... 2145 01:34:51,587 --> 01:34:53,060 - Pretend to do. - ...but we just don't know how. 2146 01:34:53,060 --> 01:34:55,964 No, we don't have to pretend, darling. We love you very much. 2147 01:34:55,964 --> 01:34:58,667 And as far as I'm concerned, 2148 01:34:58,667 --> 01:35:01,464 I have answered so many questions 2149 01:35:01,464 --> 01:35:04,706 about my career, about how do I realize 2150 01:35:04,706 --> 01:35:07,042 how much Mary did for my career? 2151 01:35:07,042 --> 01:35:07,976 Oh, Christ. 2152 01:35:07,976 --> 01:35:10,378 - And I say, yes, I do! - Forgive me, Robert. 2153 01:35:10,378 --> 01:35:11,480 I didn't mean that. (CHUCKLES) 2154 01:35:11,480 --> 01:35:13,883 BETTY: But what? No, no. 2155 01:35:13,883 --> 01:35:15,150 I'm so glad we have holes in this. 2156 01:35:15,150 --> 01:35:16,552 I wouldn't know where to put my arms. 2157 01:35:16,552 --> 01:35:18,223 (CROWD LAUGHING) 2158 01:35:19,156 --> 01:35:24,193 - Or my boobs. I can... - (CROWD LAUGHING) 2159 01:35:24,193 --> 01:35:27,462 If there is any way I could possibly help you 2160 01:35:27,462 --> 01:35:30,833 and any kind of advice you'd like or any kind of poem. 2161 01:35:30,833 --> 01:35:32,934 (CROWD LAUGHING) 2162 01:35:32,934 --> 01:35:35,604 You just... call on your Bets. 2163 01:35:35,604 --> 01:35:39,778 (CROWD CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 2164 01:35:41,813 --> 01:35:43,779 (MARY SCREAMS) 2165 01:35:43,779 --> 01:35:45,681 - Are you all right? - I'm okay. 2166 01:35:45,681 --> 01:35:47,850 - I certainly... - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 2167 01:35:47,850 --> 01:35:51,023 - That was so perfect. - She never drinks. 2168 01:35:53,791 --> 01:35:57,026 - (CHUCKLES) - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 2169 01:35:57,026 --> 01:36:00,629 BEVERLY: Marge. Marge, don't you have something to say? 2170 01:36:00,629 --> 01:36:02,197 Just a little something to your daughter. 2171 01:36:02,197 --> 01:36:04,099 - Come on, Mom. - BEVERLY: Come on, Mom. 2172 01:36:04,099 --> 01:36:06,935 Stand up here and say something and be really good. 2173 01:36:06,935 --> 01:36:10,005 - (CROWD LAUGHING) - Be the best you've ever been. 2174 01:36:10,005 --> 01:36:13,545 {\an8}Roses are red, violets are bluish. 2175 01:36:15,012 --> 01:36:18,781 {\an8}You once were a Mick and now you're Jewish. 2176 01:36:18,781 --> 01:36:23,388 (ALL CHEER, APPLAUD) 2177 01:36:23,888 --> 01:36:26,888 Cut. Stop. 2178 01:36:26,888 --> 01:36:29,028 He is one of those rare doctors... 2179 01:36:30,094 --> 01:36:32,431 who truly cares about patients. 2180 01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:40,770 He sometimes can't go to sleep without them... but not often. 2181 01:36:40,770 --> 01:36:42,107 And that's to his... 2182 01:36:44,474 --> 01:36:48,413 benefit too that he's not a crazy person. 2183 01:36:49,079 --> 01:36:50,415 He can go to sleep... 2184 01:36:51,483 --> 01:36:52,451 and... 2185 01:36:53,551 --> 01:36:54,886 wake up in the morning. 2186 01:36:56,921 --> 01:36:58,148 Oh, shit! 2187 01:36:58,148 --> 01:37:00,890 (ALL CHUCKLE) 2188 01:37:00,890 --> 01:37:04,063 Anyway, I think you'd all like him. 2189 01:37:05,697 --> 01:37:06,932 Now, go away. 2190 01:37:09,232 --> 01:37:12,100 REPORTER: And one of America's favorites had a wedding last night. 2191 01:37:12,100 --> 01:37:14,237 Mary Tyler Moore married Robert Levine. 2192 01:37:14,237 --> 01:37:15,170 He's a doctor. 2193 01:37:15,170 --> 01:37:17,006 The wedding was at a Fifth Avenue Hotel 2194 01:37:17,006 --> 01:37:19,078 with 250 of their friends. 2195 01:37:20,044 --> 01:37:22,543 {\an8}MANNY: Was it unlikely? Probably. 2196 01:37:22,543 --> 01:37:27,315 {\an8}Was it unexpected? Absolutely. But I went to the wedding. 2197 01:37:27,315 --> 01:37:30,880 {\an8}I remember saying to her, "Well, you finally achieved 2198 01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:34,056 what every New York Jew or Catholic mother wanted. 2199 01:37:34,056 --> 01:37:36,625 You married a doctor." 2200 01:37:36,625 --> 01:37:38,293 {\an8}BEVERLY: Their wedding was wonderful. 2201 01:37:38,293 --> 01:37:41,997 {\an8}I was her matron of honor. It was great. 2202 01:37:41,997 --> 01:37:47,602 {\an8}So, she had a priest and he had a Rabbi. (CHUCKLING) 2203 01:37:47,602 --> 01:37:52,573 {\an8}BILL: Mary's father was the most gentile person. 2204 01:37:52,573 --> 01:37:56,245 {\an8}He could walk past the synagogue and neutralize it. 2205 01:37:56,245 --> 01:37:58,647 It would become a Unitarian church. 2206 01:37:58,647 --> 01:38:03,952 He was standing half under the chuppah and half out. 2207 01:38:03,952 --> 01:38:06,922 He was afraid that if he got under that thing, 2208 01:38:06,922 --> 01:38:08,724 something was gonna happen to him. 2209 01:38:08,724 --> 01:38:10,195 (GLASS SHATTERING) 2210 01:38:23,874 --> 01:38:25,473 {\an8}ROBERT: We rehearsed how we would address 2211 01:38:25,473 --> 01:38:29,278 {\an8}the first dance together and she didn't want to lead, 2212 01:38:29,278 --> 01:38:32,147 but she knew that if I didn't step up, 2213 01:38:32,147 --> 01:38:33,648 that's what was gonna happen. 2214 01:38:33,648 --> 01:38:37,385 So, I had to figure out how to take control. 2215 01:38:37,385 --> 01:38:41,593 But after that it all devolved into a very special party. 2216 01:38:49,399 --> 01:38:52,034 {\an8}MANNY: I made the blessing all for the bread 2217 01:38:52,034 --> 01:38:53,372 {\an8}with a full heart. 2218 01:38:55,039 --> 01:38:56,805 They were an odd couple. 2219 01:38:56,805 --> 01:38:58,507 She married a regular person, 2220 01:38:58,507 --> 01:39:01,309 but she was devoted to him and he was devoted to her. 2221 01:39:01,309 --> 01:39:03,048 You can't ask for anything else. 2222 01:39:06,350 --> 01:39:08,516 He got up at 12 or one in the morning 2223 01:39:08,516 --> 01:39:13,058 and made a tuna fish sandwich. Not for him and me but for me. 2224 01:39:14,626 --> 01:39:16,491 And it was the most loving thing 2225 01:39:16,491 --> 01:39:19,598 that anybody had ever done for me before in my life. 2226 01:39:20,865 --> 01:39:21,963 I've been given jewels, 2227 01:39:21,963 --> 01:39:26,435 I've been given a lot of... things that don't... 2228 01:39:26,435 --> 01:39:30,438 we all think are obviously of value. 2229 01:39:30,438 --> 01:39:33,075 But for me, the most thing that was of value was 2230 01:39:33,075 --> 01:39:34,713 that tuna fish sandwich... 2231 01:39:35,647 --> 01:39:37,279 that was for nothing 2232 01:39:37,279 --> 01:39:40,052 from someone, who gave it only to me. 2233 01:39:41,851 --> 01:39:45,487 ROBERT: Loving Mary was easy. She opened the door 2234 01:39:45,487 --> 01:39:49,394 to something about me that I thought was shut forever. 2235 01:39:53,331 --> 01:39:55,164 {\an8}RONA: Today, I have this feeling 2236 01:39:55,164 --> 01:39:57,099 {\an8}that I could put my arms around you 2237 01:39:57,099 --> 01:39:58,570 and I could touch you... 2238 01:39:59,770 --> 01:40:01,937 and that you would respond. 2239 01:40:01,937 --> 01:40:04,609 But many years ago, when we first met... 2240 01:40:05,509 --> 01:40:07,709 I think I would be scared to death 2241 01:40:07,709 --> 01:40:10,746 - to touch Mary Tyler Moore. - Of me? (CHUCKLES) 2242 01:40:10,746 --> 01:40:11,842 RONA: For total fear 2243 01:40:11,842 --> 01:40:14,149 that I would really be rebuffed by you. 2244 01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:15,420 There was such... 2245 01:40:17,055 --> 01:40:18,988 - a coolness... - I know. 2246 01:40:18,988 --> 01:40:21,051 - ...such an aloofness, Mary. - Yeah. 2247 01:40:21,051 --> 01:40:25,294 And I see, I don't see that Mary now. What happened? 2248 01:40:25,294 --> 01:40:27,362 I don't know. I can't explain it. 2249 01:40:27,362 --> 01:40:30,165 I-- Maybe it's just growth, maybe it's analysis, 2250 01:40:30,165 --> 01:40:32,167 maybe it's finally saying, 2251 01:40:32,167 --> 01:40:37,605 "All right, I'll let myself show with all my flaws. 2252 01:40:37,605 --> 01:40:40,108 It's not the end of the world if I'm not perfect." 2253 01:40:40,108 --> 01:40:43,678 And, uh, you know, it was that misguided thinking. 2254 01:40:43,678 --> 01:40:47,049 I'm sure that kept the shield around me that called-- 2255 01:40:47,049 --> 01:40:49,885 That caused people to call me the "Ice Princess." 2256 01:40:49,885 --> 01:40:51,286 I mean, I was never cold to people 2257 01:40:51,286 --> 01:40:53,984 but I never really confided in people 2258 01:40:53,984 --> 01:40:58,193 and I never shared any of the... the ugly sides 2259 01:40:58,193 --> 01:41:00,563 or those things that I thought were ugly. 2260 01:41:00,563 --> 01:41:01,963 And now I will do that. 2261 01:41:01,963 --> 01:41:04,103 - (TELEPHONE RINGING) - Boy. 2262 01:41:06,065 --> 01:41:10,275 Hello? It's Mrs. Ford, the president's wife. 2263 01:41:11,408 --> 01:41:13,141 MARY: The big turning point of my life happened 2264 01:41:13,141 --> 01:41:15,376 after spending a year with my husband, Robert, 2265 01:41:15,376 --> 01:41:20,182 who is a very tender, dear, and very wise person. 2266 01:41:20,182 --> 01:41:22,885 I was able to see myself and what I was doing 2267 01:41:22,885 --> 01:41:24,419 without realizing it, 2268 01:41:24,419 --> 01:41:26,488 how I was living in the fast lane, 2269 01:41:26,488 --> 01:41:30,692 and how it just seemed to me I had to live in the fast lane. 2270 01:41:30,692 --> 01:41:34,362 And so came that time when I began to look at myself 2271 01:41:34,362 --> 01:41:37,336 and what I was doing and I changed. 2272 01:41:40,805 --> 01:41:42,670 - Hello? - Hello, Mary. 2273 01:41:42,670 --> 01:41:44,806 - This is Betty Ford. - (AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 2274 01:41:44,806 --> 01:41:47,376 {\an8}ROBERT: She had had Betty Ford on her show. 2275 01:41:47,376 --> 01:41:49,344 {\an8}And she knew of Mrs. Ford's treatment 2276 01:41:49,344 --> 01:41:51,146 {\an8}of people with her difficulty with alcohol 2277 01:41:51,146 --> 01:41:54,182 {\an8}and the Betty Ford Center in California. 2278 01:41:54,182 --> 01:41:57,786 - Hi, Betty. - (AUDIENCE CHEERING, LAUGHING) 2279 01:41:57,786 --> 01:42:00,492 This is Mary, Queen of Scots. 2280 01:42:03,161 --> 01:42:04,759 MARY: Liza Minnelli had just been there 2281 01:42:04,759 --> 01:42:07,429 and Elizabeth Taylor had just been there. (CHUCKLING) 2282 01:42:07,429 --> 01:42:09,832 And I called the Betty Ford Center 2283 01:42:09,832 --> 01:42:11,967 and I made my appointment 2284 01:42:11,967 --> 01:42:14,173 and they took me the very next day. 2285 01:42:15,572 --> 01:42:19,478 And Robert, he said goodbye to me at the jetway. 2286 01:42:20,744 --> 01:42:23,912 But the confidence of having just been hugged 2287 01:42:23,912 --> 01:42:25,613 and kissed by him, 2288 01:42:25,613 --> 01:42:29,151 and the two bloody Marys that I had on the plane, 2289 01:42:29,151 --> 01:42:32,453 got me there and began the grand process 2290 01:42:32,453 --> 01:42:36,191 of chipping away and chiseling down 2291 01:42:36,191 --> 01:42:40,261 to the real me or the blob that was me. 2292 01:42:40,261 --> 01:42:44,369 That was going to become... a person. 2293 01:42:46,004 --> 01:42:47,468 With the help of some counselors 2294 01:42:47,468 --> 01:42:49,038 {\an8}and a lot of group therapy sessions, 2295 01:42:49,038 --> 01:42:53,041 {\an8}I was able to examine myself and the way I handled my life 2296 01:42:53,041 --> 01:42:54,543 {\an8}and the way I handled problems, 2297 01:42:54,543 --> 01:42:58,380 {\an8}and I allowed myself to be imperfect. 2298 01:42:58,380 --> 01:43:00,182 It was at that point that we started looking 2299 01:43:00,182 --> 01:43:02,584 at the country house, and looking at gardening, 2300 01:43:02,584 --> 01:43:05,790 and horses, and... and stuff like that. 2301 01:43:07,058 --> 01:43:08,090 (BRAYS) 2302 01:43:08,090 --> 01:43:09,891 MARY: It's nice, isn't it, Linus? 2303 01:43:09,891 --> 01:43:12,862 LINUS: Yes. Winny and Sundance. 2304 01:43:12,862 --> 01:43:14,233 MARY: Shut up, Dash. 2305 01:43:15,499 --> 01:43:19,868 {\an8}You better get used to it, Dash, they're part of the family now. 2306 01:43:19,868 --> 01:43:23,806 {\an8}All right, so here we are coming out of the barn 2307 01:43:23,806 --> 01:43:26,141 {\an8}and this is the new arena 2308 01:43:26,141 --> 01:43:29,078 {\an8}that eventually will have, um, a ring in it. 2309 01:43:29,078 --> 01:43:30,145 {\an8}ROBERT: A ring? 2310 01:43:30,145 --> 01:43:31,981 {\an8}MARY: You know, for the horses to ride. 2311 01:43:31,981 --> 01:43:34,449 {\an8}- ROBERT: It has a ring in it. - MARY: Around the edge. 2312 01:43:34,449 --> 01:43:36,585 {\an8}- ROBERT: Look through the visor. - MARY: Well, I can't really look 2313 01:43:36,585 --> 01:43:38,320 {\an8}through the visor because then it makes it 2314 01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:41,089 {\an8}too bumpy. Shut up, Robert! 2315 01:43:41,089 --> 01:43:44,660 {\an8}- (BLOWS RASPBERRY) - MARY: And just to-- (CHUCKLES) John. 2316 01:43:44,660 --> 01:43:46,022 (BRAYS) 2317 01:43:46,022 --> 01:43:47,662 {\an8}JIM: I went to see her in Millbrook. 2318 01:43:47,662 --> 01:43:51,933 {\an8}It was nice to see her in a bucolic setting. 2319 01:43:51,933 --> 01:43:54,606 Nothing to do, but beautiful. It was very sweet. 2320 01:43:56,406 --> 01:43:57,439 REPORTER: Mary Tyler Moore 2321 01:43:57,439 --> 01:43:58,773 is the woman we're talking about today. 2322 01:43:58,773 --> 01:44:00,843 She occupies her own very unique place in the hearts 2323 01:44:00,843 --> 01:44:02,511 of television viewers coast to coast. 2324 01:44:02,511 --> 01:44:04,545 But at home, her five horses 2325 01:44:04,545 --> 01:44:06,415 and her two dogs don't seem to know 2326 01:44:06,415 --> 01:44:07,649 that she's one of the great comediennes 2327 01:44:07,649 --> 01:44:10,452 of American television. They do know, however, 2328 01:44:10,452 --> 01:44:13,788 they occupy a special place in her heart. 2329 01:44:13,788 --> 01:44:16,124 When she needs to take a break from whatever she's doing, 2330 01:44:16,124 --> 01:44:19,723 be it a play, movie, TV show, or charitable endeavor. 2331 01:44:19,723 --> 01:44:20,762 Self-styled workhorse, 2332 01:44:20,762 --> 01:44:23,298 Mary Tyler Moore works with horses. 2333 01:44:23,298 --> 01:44:25,433 Her Palomino pal is named John 2334 01:44:25,433 --> 01:44:26,869 and the Philly who's feeling her oats 2335 01:44:26,869 --> 01:44:28,503 is Laughing Lucy. 2336 01:44:28,503 --> 01:44:31,606 This handsome albino is Mary's pride and joy in part 2337 01:44:31,606 --> 01:44:33,542 because she's known him since the beginning. 2338 01:44:33,542 --> 01:44:36,715 John was born in Mary's stable just about a year ago. 2339 01:44:38,949 --> 01:44:44,719 JAMES: Your book ends so beautifully with a metaphor 2340 01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:48,727 inspired by a blue-eyed albino foal. 2341 01:44:49,961 --> 01:44:54,129 - What is the foal's name? - MARY: John. 2342 01:44:54,129 --> 01:44:55,297 JAMES: What was your brother's name? 2343 01:44:55,297 --> 01:44:56,564 MARY: John. 2344 01:44:56,564 --> 01:44:59,667 {\an8}ROBERT: Mary was largely alienated from her brother 2345 01:44:59,667 --> 01:45:04,372 {\an8}until a number of years after we had met and married. 2346 01:45:04,372 --> 01:45:07,910 I think she was sorry that she missed the years 2347 01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:11,080 that she missed of having a family. 2348 01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:14,987 MARY: My brother John, he developed kidney cancer. 2349 01:45:16,954 --> 01:45:19,688 And he died holding my hand. 2350 01:45:19,688 --> 01:45:21,890 - MARJORIE: Okay, one last photo. - MARY: Which one? In the middle one. 2351 01:45:21,890 --> 01:45:23,391 MARJORIE: So you've got it? Last picture. 2352 01:45:23,391 --> 01:45:26,065 He saw pictures of Mary taken by the Chuppah. 2353 01:45:27,198 --> 01:45:28,763 - JOHN: To Mary. - MARJORIE: Yeah. 2354 01:45:28,763 --> 01:45:31,536 - JOHN: I love you. - MARJORIE: Ah, that's good. 2355 01:45:32,469 --> 01:45:35,771 {\an8}MARY: John is almost five months old now 2356 01:45:35,771 --> 01:45:38,106 {\an8}and looking very much like a camel. 2357 01:45:38,106 --> 01:45:39,908 {\an8}Very much like a camel. 2358 01:45:39,908 --> 01:45:42,678 {\an8}Here you go, baby. Look how tall he is. 2359 01:45:42,678 --> 01:45:45,180 {\an8}See, he's right up to my face, 2360 01:45:45,180 --> 01:45:46,815 {\an8}which is not looking terribly great 2361 01:45:46,815 --> 01:45:48,750 {\an8}'cause I don't have any makeup on, all right? 2362 01:45:48,750 --> 01:45:50,956 {\an8}Normally, I'm so much cuter than this. 2363 01:45:51,590 --> 01:45:53,455 {\an8}But anyway, John. 2364 01:45:53,455 --> 01:45:56,325 {\an8}Hi. Don't I look so much cuter today? 2365 01:45:56,325 --> 01:45:58,460 {\an8}No, really? Seriously. Look at my face. 2366 01:45:58,460 --> 01:46:03,766 {\an8}See, I have eye makeup on. My hair, properly dressed. 2367 01:46:03,766 --> 01:46:06,838 {\an8}Let us proceed-- No, Dash is getting busy. 2368 01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:10,572 {\an8}So, Dash, you wanna get this ball? 2369 01:46:10,572 --> 01:46:13,842 {\an8}Okay, watch it now. Track it, good dog. 2370 01:46:13,842 --> 01:46:17,649 {\an8}Again, again. Wow! An almost mid-air catch! 2371 01:46:20,251 --> 01:46:21,717 RONA: The public, did they expect 2372 01:46:21,717 --> 01:46:24,219 too much of you, Mary Tyler Moore? 2373 01:46:24,219 --> 01:46:28,623 I've never felt that I was restricted. 2374 01:46:28,623 --> 01:46:31,759 And I, as you know, I've made a lot of changes. 2375 01:46:31,759 --> 01:46:35,964 {\an8}TERRY SIMS: She wanted to leave Mary Richards forever behind. 2376 01:46:35,964 --> 01:46:41,103 {\an8}And so, it was challenging sometimes to find new roles. 2377 01:46:41,103 --> 01:46:42,365 {\an8}I want you to see something. 2378 01:46:42,365 --> 01:46:44,105 {\an8}- NANCY: Very nice, Pearl. - MEL: For God's sake. 2379 01:46:44,105 --> 01:46:45,675 {\an8}I want you to consider my age 2380 01:46:45,675 --> 01:46:47,308 {\an8}and ask yourself how I maintain this? 2381 01:46:47,308 --> 01:46:48,576 {\an8}MEL: Mom, why are you doing this? 2382 01:46:48,576 --> 01:46:50,245 - How? I don't know. How? - (MEL SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 2383 01:46:50,245 --> 01:46:51,579 I couldn't have a baby. 2384 01:46:51,579 --> 01:46:53,882 But I had to fight the laws of gravity just the same 2385 01:46:53,882 --> 01:46:56,517 and you need the help of a good bra. 2386 01:46:56,517 --> 01:46:57,852 And believe you me, if you wanna keep 2387 01:46:57,852 --> 01:47:00,250 your husband's attention, you'll get one pronto. 2388 01:47:00,250 --> 01:47:02,390 - (CROWD CHEERING) - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 2389 01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:04,193 I know that you've been very active in the fight 2390 01:47:04,193 --> 01:47:08,763 - against juvenile diabetes. - Right. Looking for the cure. 2391 01:47:08,763 --> 01:47:10,598 JAMES: You're the international chairman, are you not? 2392 01:47:10,598 --> 01:47:12,400 Yes, of the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation. 2393 01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:13,635 JAMES: And I believe that your husband, 2394 01:47:13,635 --> 01:47:15,570 Dr. Robert Levine is active too, is he not? 2395 01:47:15,570 --> 01:47:17,540 - Yes, he is indeed. Say, hello. - JAMES: Please stand up. 2396 01:47:17,540 --> 01:47:19,912 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 2397 01:47:27,918 --> 01:47:30,285 ROBERT: With the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation, 2398 01:47:30,285 --> 01:47:34,389 it really was a chance for her to be back in the ensemble, 2399 01:47:34,389 --> 01:47:36,925 to be part of a movement 2400 01:47:36,925 --> 01:47:39,895 because the status quo was not acceptable. 2401 01:47:39,895 --> 01:47:43,231 You know, the lives that children were living 2402 01:47:43,231 --> 01:47:45,434 in those days were shortened. 2403 01:47:45,434 --> 01:47:47,235 {\an8}BERNADETTE PETERS: She went to Washington 2404 01:47:47,235 --> 01:47:49,204 {\an8}to talk about juvenile diabetes. 2405 01:47:49,204 --> 01:47:52,341 {\an8}She raised a lot of money. She moved progress forward. 2406 01:47:52,341 --> 01:47:58,146 {\an8}But we cannot lose momentum. Not now, that we are so close. 2407 01:47:58,146 --> 01:48:02,117 So, I ask you, Mr. Chairman, members of the committee, 2408 01:48:02,117 --> 01:48:04,286 look around once more. 2409 01:48:04,286 --> 01:48:06,282 Listen to the voices of the children 2410 01:48:06,282 --> 01:48:09,024 who will tell you their stories today. 2411 01:48:09,024 --> 01:48:12,194 And when you retire to your deliberations, 2412 01:48:12,194 --> 01:48:13,999 promise to remember them. 2413 01:48:16,033 --> 01:48:19,629 ROBERT: Mary helped them raise close to two billion dollars. 2414 01:48:19,629 --> 01:48:24,840 Hope, that very much depends on actions, you, your colleagues 2415 01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:27,279 and the administration choose to take. 2416 01:48:28,112 --> 01:48:31,283 (CROWD APPLAUDS) 2417 01:48:41,559 --> 01:48:42,991 RONA: From the moment you decided 2418 01:48:42,991 --> 01:48:44,626 that this is what I wanted to be. 2419 01:48:44,626 --> 01:48:46,661 I wanna be a dancer. I wanna be an actress. 2420 01:48:46,661 --> 01:48:48,430 Were you ever rebuffed, were you ever turned down... 2421 01:48:48,430 --> 01:48:50,465 - Well, now, I'll tell you this. - ...I mean-- 2422 01:48:50,465 --> 01:48:52,462 I will go to my grave thinking of myself 2423 01:48:52,462 --> 01:48:55,740 as a failed dancer, not a successful actress. 2424 01:49:05,650 --> 01:49:08,954 ♪ (WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2425 01:49:17,261 --> 01:49:19,899 It's all a fake and someday they'll see it. 2426 01:49:21,232 --> 01:49:22,701 It'll all go away. 2427 01:49:24,202 --> 01:49:26,038 Now, this fake... 2428 01:49:27,605 --> 01:49:30,305 was in a show that won numerous Emmy awards. 2429 01:49:30,305 --> 01:49:34,209 This fake and Dick Van Dyke won best acting awards 2430 01:49:34,209 --> 01:49:36,879 in 1964, 1965. 2431 01:49:36,879 --> 01:49:40,816 And this fake won the 1965 Golden Globe Award 2432 01:49:40,816 --> 01:49:43,355 as female TV personality of the year. 2433 01:49:44,988 --> 01:49:47,359 ♪ ("NUTCRACKER SUITE" BY DAVID HAMILTON PLAYING) ♪ 2434 01:49:58,336 --> 01:50:00,105 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 2435 01:50:00,971 --> 01:50:03,242 - (CHEERS) - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2436 01:50:04,842 --> 01:50:09,411 - (SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 2437 01:50:09,411 --> 01:50:12,447 There's your mama. Here's your mama. 2438 01:50:12,447 --> 01:50:13,548 ♪ (MELANCHOLIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2439 01:50:13,548 --> 01:50:15,483 {\an8}RONDA: Mar was always strong-willed. 2440 01:50:15,483 --> 01:50:17,685 {\an8}She never gave that strong will up. 2441 01:50:17,685 --> 01:50:20,790 {\an8}She was very secure in those last years 2442 01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:22,958 {\an8}when Robert was around. 2443 01:50:22,958 --> 01:50:25,827 As for what the diabetes caused her, 2444 01:50:25,827 --> 01:50:27,963 I firmly believe without question, 2445 01:50:27,963 --> 01:50:30,865 Mary Tyler Moore lived ten years longer 2446 01:50:30,865 --> 01:50:33,868 than she would've lived without the care of Robert. 2447 01:50:33,868 --> 01:50:36,939 {\an8}ROBERT: Being that person for Mary, that loving protector 2448 01:50:36,939 --> 01:50:39,642 {\an8}included making tuna fish sandwiches for her 2449 01:50:39,642 --> 01:50:41,009 {\an8}in the middle of the night 2450 01:50:41,009 --> 01:50:43,045 {\an8}or getting up and getting her a glass of orange juice 2451 01:50:43,045 --> 01:50:44,680 {\an8}when her blood sugar dropped too low, 2452 01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:46,248 {\an8}whatever it took. 2453 01:50:46,248 --> 01:50:50,853 RONDA: We saw Mary Tyler Moore fight her way back 2454 01:50:50,853 --> 01:50:54,022 from the edge of death so many times 2455 01:50:54,022 --> 01:50:55,991 that she should have been gone. 2456 01:50:55,991 --> 01:50:58,754 She had been in the hospital three weeks. 2457 01:50:58,754 --> 01:51:02,898 Robert was always there but the man would get exhausted. 2458 01:51:02,898 --> 01:51:04,900 So, he would go home at night 2459 01:51:04,900 --> 01:51:07,470 and I'd sit in the hospital room with Mary. 2460 01:51:07,470 --> 01:51:09,038 I'd read the Bible to her. 2461 01:51:09,038 --> 01:51:11,667 I'd talk about The Mary Tyler Moore Show, 2462 01:51:11,667 --> 01:51:14,643 and I do remember that she leaned back and said, 2463 01:51:14,643 --> 01:51:17,749 "It feels great to remember." 2464 01:51:19,916 --> 01:51:21,917 {\an8}BEVERLY: When she was dying in the hospital... 2465 01:51:21,917 --> 01:51:24,352 {\an8}(SNIFFLING) ...I'd crawl into bed with her 2466 01:51:24,352 --> 01:51:25,753 {\an8}and just held hands. 2467 01:51:25,753 --> 01:51:28,558 {\an8}I couldn't stand that she was gonna die. 2468 01:51:28,558 --> 01:51:30,395 {\an8}It's a horrible disease. 2469 01:51:31,895 --> 01:51:35,230 MARY: Hi, sweetie. Um, I just had a low blood sugar 2470 01:51:35,230 --> 01:51:36,631 and I think we've... 2471 01:51:36,631 --> 01:51:38,461 we're on the way to correcting it anyway 2472 01:51:38,461 --> 01:51:39,969 with some orange juice and cookies. 2473 01:51:39,969 --> 01:51:42,274 So, gimme a call when you can. Bye-bye. 2474 01:51:46,844 --> 01:51:48,510 REPORTER 1: We begin with breaking news. 2475 01:51:48,510 --> 01:51:50,946 Actress Mary Tyler Moore has passed away. 2476 01:51:50,946 --> 01:51:52,380 It is the loss of a true legend in Hollywood. 2477 01:51:52,380 --> 01:51:56,317 She was a television icon for a generation. 2478 01:51:56,317 --> 01:51:58,720 REPORTER 2: Mary Tyler Moore could turn the world on 2479 01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:00,088 with her smile. 2480 01:52:00,088 --> 01:52:02,324 REPORTER 3: Her series, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, 2481 01:52:02,324 --> 01:52:05,430 helped usher in a new era for women on television. 2482 01:52:06,396 --> 01:52:07,895 REPORTER 4: The actress died Wednesday 2483 01:52:07,895 --> 01:52:11,136 with her husband and friends at her side. She was 80. 2484 01:52:18,008 --> 01:52:20,042 BEVERLY: She was something special. 2485 01:52:20,042 --> 01:52:21,909 {\an8}There was no one like Mary. 2486 01:52:21,909 --> 01:52:26,148 {\an8}She was steel. And I miss her. I will always miss her. 2487 01:52:26,148 --> 01:52:28,748 She was just my best friend ever. 2488 01:52:31,322 --> 01:52:35,257 {\an8}BERNADETTE: Her work as a comedian was unparalleled. 2489 01:52:35,257 --> 01:52:36,224 {\an8}It's like a warrior, 2490 01:52:36,224 --> 01:52:38,497 someone that gets through it all. 2491 01:52:40,298 --> 01:52:45,870 {\an8}KATIE: Mary tapped into something that is universal. 2492 01:52:48,973 --> 01:52:53,576 {\an8}ROBERT: Mary's was a life that need not end 2493 01:52:53,576 --> 01:52:54,947 {\an8}with her passing. 2494 01:52:55,580 --> 01:52:57,512 It's how we hold on to her 2495 01:52:57,512 --> 01:53:03,819 and what she did, and why, and how we carry it forward... 2496 01:53:03,819 --> 01:53:06,325 that gives her life even greater meaning. 2497 01:53:07,358 --> 01:53:10,291 {\an8}BEVERLY: She was a wonderful symbol to womanhood 2498 01:53:10,291 --> 01:53:12,494 {\an8}to the movement as everybody said. 2499 01:53:12,494 --> 01:53:14,329 {\an8}"But she doesn't do anything for the movement." 2500 01:53:14,329 --> 01:53:17,232 {\an8}She did everything for the movement. 2501 01:53:17,232 --> 01:53:20,339 - (AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) - ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2502 01:53:21,472 --> 01:53:22,908 {\an8}(SCREAMS) 2503 01:53:25,075 --> 01:53:27,843 You have no idea what you've meant to me. 2504 01:53:27,843 --> 01:53:29,177 OPRAH WINFREY: There are those of us 2505 01:53:29,177 --> 01:53:30,980 who we only had the television... 2506 01:53:30,980 --> 01:53:32,213 - MARY: Yes. - ...for inspiration. 2507 01:53:32,213 --> 01:53:34,816 And you were one of those women... 2508 01:53:34,816 --> 01:53:36,117 - Yeah. - ...who was a light. 2509 01:53:36,117 --> 01:53:37,853 {\an8}JULIA: I think Mary's legacy is that 2510 01:53:37,853 --> 01:53:41,189 {\an8}she's fundamentally shifted, in our culture, 2511 01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:44,026 {\an8}how we perceive women in entertainment. 2512 01:53:44,026 --> 01:53:46,929 Period. End of story. 2513 01:53:46,929 --> 01:53:48,463 {\an8}REESE WITHERSPOON: Her ideas weren't just siloed 2514 01:53:48,463 --> 01:53:51,200 {\an8}to a character she'd played on a television show. 2515 01:53:51,200 --> 01:53:53,168 {\an8}Women like Mary Tyler Moore cut a path 2516 01:53:53,168 --> 01:53:55,237 that I'm standing in right now. 2517 01:53:55,237 --> 01:53:57,440 {\an8}PHYLICIA RASHAD: For all of her positive 2518 01:53:57,440 --> 01:53:58,506 {\an8}and radiant energy, 2519 01:53:58,506 --> 01:54:02,477 she was no stranger to adversity and challenge. 2520 01:54:02,477 --> 01:54:05,380 She surmounted those things. She continued. 2521 01:54:05,380 --> 01:54:08,484 {\an8}LENA WAITHE: I think she was meant to spark fire 2522 01:54:08,484 --> 01:54:10,019 {\an8}with a very delicate match. 2523 01:54:10,019 --> 01:54:11,887 {\an8}It impacted many people that followed. 2524 01:54:11,887 --> 01:54:13,422 {\an8}Those women weren't just White 2525 01:54:13,422 --> 01:54:15,456 and they may not just have been women. 2526 01:54:15,456 --> 01:54:17,326 ISAAC MIZRAHI: Why did I like Mary Tyler Moore? 2527 01:54:17,326 --> 01:54:19,360 {\an8}'Cause I'm American and I'm not a stone. 2528 01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:21,196 Because between her and Jackie Kennedy, 2529 01:54:21,196 --> 01:54:23,999 they shaped this country, between all of her portrayals, 2530 01:54:23,999 --> 01:54:26,001 between Laura Petrie and Mary Richards, 2531 01:54:26,001 --> 01:54:29,404 it's what shaped Americans' whole taste level. 2532 01:54:29,404 --> 01:54:33,275 {\an8}JAMES: I think the real answer to who Mary has inspired 2533 01:54:33,275 --> 01:54:36,645 {\an8}is as many women as Eleanor Roosevelt. 2534 01:54:36,645 --> 01:54:38,951 Knowing her, she deserves it. 2535 01:54:41,085 --> 01:54:46,225 - You know what? You got spunk. - (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2536 01:54:46,925 --> 01:54:49,858 - Well, yes. - I hate spunk. 2537 01:54:49,858 --> 01:54:52,260 {\an8}ED: I loved her. And she knew it. 2538 01:54:52,260 --> 01:54:55,330 How much Mary Tyler Moore exists in Mary Richards? 2539 01:54:55,330 --> 01:54:57,500 - Oh, a lot. Oh, a lot. - JAMES: A lot? 2540 01:54:57,500 --> 01:54:59,034 What of you is in her? 2541 01:54:59,034 --> 01:55:02,137 MARY: My good nature, my earnestness 2542 01:55:02,137 --> 01:55:05,044 and my belief in a happy ending. 2543 01:55:11,181 --> 01:55:13,218 I treasure you people. 2544 01:55:14,885 --> 01:55:17,056 (SOBBING) 2545 01:55:19,223 --> 01:55:21,423 {\an8}JAMES: I think my favorite memory of her 2546 01:55:21,423 --> 01:55:24,626 {\an8}is how dear she was when we wrote "The Last Show." 2547 01:55:24,626 --> 01:55:28,498 {\an8}We had everybody saying their farewells on the show. 2548 01:55:28,498 --> 01:55:29,899 (SOBS, SNIFFLES) 2549 01:55:29,899 --> 01:55:31,601 I think we all need some Kleenex. 2550 01:55:31,601 --> 01:55:32,534 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2551 01:55:32,534 --> 01:55:34,606 GEORGIA ENGEL: There's some on Mary's desk. 2552 01:55:37,842 --> 01:55:39,040 JAMES: We'd forgotten her. 2553 01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:41,043 She was the only one we didn't give a goodbye to. 2554 01:55:41,043 --> 01:55:43,378 And her coming to the office for the first time 2555 01:55:43,378 --> 01:55:46,882 to ask for something in the script after seven years. 2556 01:55:46,882 --> 01:55:48,150 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2557 01:55:48,150 --> 01:55:50,781 - Mr. Grant... - (EXHALES, SNIFFLES) 2558 01:55:50,781 --> 01:55:52,955 ...could I say what I wanted to say now? 2559 01:55:52,955 --> 01:55:55,190 - Mm-hmm. - Please? 2560 01:55:55,190 --> 01:55:57,092 (SNIFFLES) Okay, Mary. 2561 01:55:57,092 --> 01:56:00,162 JAMES: And that she was shy and uncertain about it. 2562 01:56:00,162 --> 01:56:04,336 It just killed her. And she had built the studio. 2563 01:56:05,336 --> 01:56:07,272 Well, I just wanted you to know... 2564 01:56:08,773 --> 01:56:10,439 that sometimes I get concerned 2565 01:56:10,439 --> 01:56:12,377 - about being a career woman. - (GRANT SNIFFLING) 2566 01:56:14,078 --> 01:56:16,748 I get to thinking my job is too important to me. 2567 01:56:18,783 --> 01:56:20,452 And I tell myself... 2568 01:56:22,987 --> 01:56:24,353 that the people I work with 2569 01:56:24,353 --> 01:56:26,258 are just the people I work with... 2570 01:56:27,258 --> 01:56:29,858 - and not my family. - (SNIFFLES) 2571 01:56:29,858 --> 01:56:32,731 (SNIFFLES) And last night I thought... 2572 01:56:34,165 --> 01:56:36,068 "What is a family anyway?" 2573 01:56:37,301 --> 01:56:39,338 They're just people who make you feel... 2574 01:56:40,605 --> 01:56:41,773 less alone... 2575 01:56:43,575 --> 01:56:44,709 and really loved. 2576 01:56:46,806 --> 01:56:48,613 And that's what you've done for me. 2577 01:56:55,219 --> 01:56:57,052 {\an8}ROBERT: It's hard to look at 2578 01:56:57,052 --> 01:56:59,121 {\an8}what others might call our love story 2579 01:56:59,121 --> 01:57:01,189 {\an8}from an arm's length. 2580 01:57:01,189 --> 01:57:03,628 {\an8}All I know is I carry her always. 2581 01:57:05,563 --> 01:57:07,332 {\an8}(WIND BLOWING) 2582 01:57:18,742 --> 01:57:21,813 {\an8}I'm walking literally in wall-to-wall shit. 2583 01:57:25,382 --> 01:57:27,015 {\an8}ROBERT: Okay, we're gonna stop now, honey. 2584 01:57:27,015 --> 01:57:28,683 {\an8}Okay. 2585 01:57:28,683 --> 01:57:32,052 {\an8}- ROBERT: Say goodbye. - Goodbye. Bye for now. 2586 01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:43,602 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 2587 01:57:46,370 --> 01:57:48,673 ♪ ("DISCO LOVIN" BY THE MELLOPHONICS PLAYING) ♪ 2588 01:59:56,300 --> 01:59:58,770 ♪ ("DISCO LOVIN" BY THE MELLOPHONICS CONCLUDES) ♪ 207706

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