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In his cop car while on duty. 17 00:01:21,039 --> 00:01:24,543 - Can't believe how good he was at keeping these secrets, 18 00:01:24,543 --> 00:01:27,170 having the two faces of Joel Kern. 19 00:01:27,170 --> 00:01:30,674 - He had no problem manipulating family, 20 00:01:30,674 --> 00:01:32,926 friends, colleagues. 21 00:01:42,436 --> 00:01:44,104 Never, did I ever think my husband would ever 22 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:46,106 want any harm on me, ever. 23 00:01:46,106 --> 00:01:49,359 ♪ ♪ 24 00:01:53,488 --> 00:02:00,495 ♪ ♪ 25 00:02:08,003 --> 00:02:10,005 ♪ ♪ 26 00:02:10,005 --> 00:02:12,632 - Can you tell me a little bit about 27 00:02:12,632 --> 00:02:14,634 how you found the podcast? 28 00:02:14,634 --> 00:02:18,388 - My daughter, Nicole, was scheduled for orientation 29 00:02:18,388 --> 00:02:20,724 her freshman year of college 30 00:02:20,724 --> 00:02:23,435 and we're driving and doing the road trip thing. 31 00:02:23,435 --> 00:02:26,855 And she put on "Betrayal" season one. 32 00:02:26,855 --> 00:02:29,608 The podcast had really struck a chord with me. 33 00:02:29,608 --> 00:02:30,859 I went through this 34 00:02:30,859 --> 00:02:32,402 and I've never been able to talk about it. 35 00:02:32,402 --> 00:02:34,988 To think that every one of these women 36 00:02:34,988 --> 00:02:37,616 were living in such isolation 37 00:02:37,616 --> 00:02:42,037 and shame and fear as a result of someone else's actions. 38 00:02:42,037 --> 00:02:43,413 ♪ ♪ 39 00:02:43,413 --> 00:02:48,085 To find the power from that pain, it was so inspiring. 40 00:02:48,085 --> 00:02:49,920 ♪ ♪ 41 00:02:52,923 --> 00:02:59,930 ♪ ♪ 42 00:03:04,351 --> 00:03:06,103 My name is Karoline Borega. 43 00:03:09,314 --> 00:03:12,067 I grew up in Colorado Springs. 44 00:03:12,067 --> 00:03:14,653 It's beautiful, it's gorgeous, 45 00:03:14,653 --> 00:03:18,198 and everybody is super gracious and super kind. 46 00:03:18,198 --> 00:03:19,991 I've always been this, like, 47 00:03:19,991 --> 00:03:22,285 eclectic kind of hippie kid. 48 00:03:22,285 --> 00:03:24,162 I enjoyed being outside with friends 49 00:03:24,162 --> 00:03:25,956 and doing Colorado kid stuff. 50 00:03:25,956 --> 00:03:28,208 ♪ ♪ 51 00:03:28,208 --> 00:03:30,085 - When she started college, she knew exactly 52 00:03:30,085 --> 00:03:33,880 what she was going to do and she went after it. 53 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,674 - I really knew I wanted to do something 54 00:03:35,674 --> 00:03:36,967 in a social work-type field. 55 00:03:36,967 --> 00:03:39,136 I knew I wanted to help people. 56 00:03:39,136 --> 00:03:42,013 And so I went to school just about two hours away from home 57 00:03:42,013 --> 00:03:44,850 at University of Northern Colorado. 58 00:03:44,850 --> 00:03:46,810 She was very driven and focused, 59 00:03:46,810 --> 00:03:49,604 but also, she was a lot of fun to be around. 60 00:03:49,604 --> 00:03:53,400 She is one of those people that is just fiercely loyal 61 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,986 and loves hard. 62 00:03:55,986 --> 00:03:57,404 ♪ ♪ 63 00:03:57,404 --> 00:03:58,530 - When I was coming toward the end 64 00:03:58,530 --> 00:04:00,824 of my undergraduate studies, 65 00:04:00,824 --> 00:04:03,869 I was offered a job for a victim advocate position 66 00:04:03,869 --> 00:04:05,370 for the police department. 67 00:04:05,370 --> 00:04:09,499 ♪ ♪ 68 00:04:09,499 --> 00:04:11,376 One of the things on the training sheet 69 00:04:11,376 --> 00:04:13,545 was to complete a ride-along 70 00:04:13,545 --> 00:04:17,090 with the Colorado Springs Police Department. 71 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:19,050 I show up at the police department 72 00:04:19,050 --> 00:04:22,095 and this cop comes out to see me. 73 00:04:22,095 --> 00:04:23,472 And he says that the first thing 74 00:04:23,472 --> 00:04:25,682 we're going to do tonight is sit through a lineup, 75 00:04:25,682 --> 00:04:28,268 just a briefing that happens before every shift. 76 00:04:31,813 --> 00:04:35,942 - It's really cold and sterile and no one's saying hi to her. 77 00:04:35,942 --> 00:04:37,235 And she was really nervous. 78 00:04:37,235 --> 00:04:39,112 ♪ ♪ 79 00:04:39,112 --> 00:04:41,531 - Next thing you know, there's this disruption. 80 00:04:44,993 --> 00:04:47,037 ♪ ♪ 81 00:04:47,037 --> 00:04:51,750 This incredibly tall, very young, very handsome, 82 00:04:51,750 --> 00:04:56,671 with this sandy blonde hair, hot mess express. 83 00:04:56,671 --> 00:04:59,966 He's holding a clipboard in his left hand 84 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:02,761 and paperwork is spilling out over it. 85 00:05:02,761 --> 00:05:04,638 It's instant comic relief. 86 00:05:04,638 --> 00:05:07,933 Like, that weight and sterile feeling in the room 87 00:05:07,933 --> 00:05:09,976 just completely lifted. 88 00:05:09,976 --> 00:05:11,853 ♪ ♪ 89 00:05:11,853 --> 00:05:13,939 Even the sergeant's like, OK, 90 00:05:13,939 --> 00:05:17,400 I guess we can get started once Joel finds his seat. 91 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,655 And so he sits down. 92 00:05:21,655 --> 00:05:27,202 And we locked eyes with each other and it was magnetic. 93 00:05:27,202 --> 00:05:34,125 ♪ ♪ 94 00:05:34,125 --> 00:05:37,170 We finish up lineup and as we're walking over to the exit, 95 00:05:37,170 --> 00:05:41,258 Joel comes, like, running over. 96 00:05:41,258 --> 00:05:43,093 He said, so don't forget, 97 00:05:43,093 --> 00:05:45,554 I'm your sector partner tonight. 98 00:05:45,554 --> 00:05:47,597 - The cop that Karoline was doing the ride-along with 99 00:05:47,597 --> 00:05:49,015 was like, this is Joel Kern. 100 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:51,852 He's clearly trying to get close to you. 101 00:05:51,852 --> 00:05:54,813 ♪ ♪ 102 00:05:54,813 --> 00:05:58,942 Just shaking his hand-- 103 00:05:58,942 --> 00:06:03,113 it was like lightning went through me. 104 00:06:03,113 --> 00:06:06,908 I had never felt like that in my life. 105 00:06:06,908 --> 00:06:09,160 - Throughout the whole shift, 106 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,123 Joel was just trying to impress Karoline. 107 00:06:13,123 --> 00:06:16,126 Until the end of the shift. 108 00:06:16,126 --> 00:06:17,627 As I'm walking to my car... 109 00:06:19,588 --> 00:06:20,880 I hear these footsteps 110 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,215 kind of running after me, and it's Joel. 111 00:06:22,215 --> 00:06:26,553 And he's got a little bit of an audience behind him. 112 00:06:26,553 --> 00:06:29,014 He's like, hey, I really enjoyed meeting you tonight. 113 00:06:29,014 --> 00:06:32,058 I know that you're new in town and I'd love to show you 114 00:06:32,058 --> 00:06:34,519 like, some of my favorite spots around town. 115 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:36,271 And I see the audience behind him. 116 00:06:36,271 --> 00:06:39,608 I'm like, I don't need to be shown around this town. 117 00:06:39,608 --> 00:06:41,276 I grew up here. 118 00:06:41,276 --> 00:06:44,779 And you hear them laughing in the background. 119 00:06:44,779 --> 00:06:47,616 ♪ ♪ 120 00:06:47,616 --> 00:06:48,950 And he said, well, 121 00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:50,160 I'll just leave you with my business card 122 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,163 and I guess the ball's in your court. 123 00:06:53,163 --> 00:06:56,291 ♪ ♪ 124 00:06:56,291 --> 00:07:00,003 I drive home and my mom was waiting up for me. 125 00:07:00,003 --> 00:07:02,714 And she's like, OK, tell me about the night. 126 00:07:02,714 --> 00:07:06,593 And I said, well, I met the man I'm going to marry. 127 00:07:06,593 --> 00:07:09,220 And she said, Jesus Christ, Karoline. 128 00:07:09,220 --> 00:07:11,097 It better not be a cop. 129 00:07:11,097 --> 00:07:12,974 And I started laughing. 130 00:07:12,974 --> 00:07:16,895 ♪ ♪ 131 00:07:16,895 --> 00:07:21,107 And when I wake up, I pick up the business card 132 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:25,403 and I call him and I leave a message on his voicemail. 133 00:07:25,403 --> 00:07:28,239 I really did grow up here, but I would still love to see 134 00:07:28,239 --> 00:07:31,576 all of your favorite spots in town. 135 00:07:31,576 --> 00:07:34,746 20, 30 minutes at the most went by. 136 00:07:34,746 --> 00:07:36,289 And the house line rang. 137 00:07:38,458 --> 00:07:40,585 And Joel said, what took you so long to call me? 138 00:07:40,585 --> 00:07:42,253 ♪ ♪ 139 00:07:42,253 --> 00:07:45,173 So we start talking and he was like, 140 00:07:45,173 --> 00:07:47,050 so what are we doing tonight? 141 00:07:47,050 --> 00:07:49,427 And I said, well, we aren't doing anything 142 00:07:49,427 --> 00:07:51,471 because we're having family dinner. 143 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:55,016 And so he's like, well, I like Sunday family dinners. 144 00:07:56,851 --> 00:08:01,564 So Joel comes over. 145 00:08:01,564 --> 00:08:04,275 My parents were so cold to him 146 00:08:04,275 --> 00:08:08,405 and he handled it with charm and grace and like a champion. 147 00:08:08,405 --> 00:08:11,866 And we finish up dinner and he's like, did I earn it? 148 00:08:11,866 --> 00:08:13,993 Can I take you on a real date now? 149 00:08:13,993 --> 00:08:16,830 And so Joel and I left. 150 00:08:16,830 --> 00:08:21,710 ♪ ♪ 151 00:08:21,710 --> 00:08:27,132 We had this great night and then we had our first kiss. 152 00:08:30,135 --> 00:08:31,803 ♪ ♪ 153 00:08:31,803 --> 00:08:35,056 After that first night, we became inseparable. 154 00:08:35,056 --> 00:08:37,767 I was only 22. He was only 24. 155 00:08:37,767 --> 00:08:39,769 It was a very special time in life. 156 00:08:39,769 --> 00:08:42,814 ♪ ♪ 157 00:08:42,814 --> 00:08:45,024 - When I first met him, he was just friendly 158 00:08:45,024 --> 00:08:48,236 and outgoing and welcoming. 159 00:08:48,236 --> 00:08:53,825 - He was jovial, funny, a really easy person to talk to. 160 00:08:53,825 --> 00:08:57,662 You felt the love that Joel had for Karoline. 161 00:08:57,662 --> 00:08:59,289 He adored her. 162 00:08:59,289 --> 00:09:02,751 ♪ ♪ 163 00:09:02,751 --> 00:09:04,711 We had been dating for about three years 164 00:09:04,711 --> 00:09:07,797 and one night, we were getting ready to go somewhere. 165 00:09:07,797 --> 00:09:12,886 And I turned around and Joel had a ring. 166 00:09:12,886 --> 00:09:15,346 ♪ ♪ 167 00:09:15,346 --> 00:09:17,640 When you get married in the Catholic Church, 168 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,934 you have to go through what's called Pre-Cana, 169 00:09:19,934 --> 00:09:22,645 which is essentially premarital counseling. 170 00:09:22,645 --> 00:09:28,610 ♪ ♪ 171 00:09:28,610 --> 00:09:30,987 One of the conversations that we had 172 00:09:30,987 --> 00:09:34,699 was deal-breakers in a marriage. 173 00:09:34,699 --> 00:09:38,953 And I said to him, I have two rules. 174 00:09:38,953 --> 00:09:44,542 Don't ever lay a hand on me. Don't ever cheat on me. 175 00:09:44,542 --> 00:09:47,045 And he told me that's more than fair. 176 00:09:47,045 --> 00:09:48,254 I agree with you. 177 00:09:48,254 --> 00:09:52,467 ♪ ♪ 178 00:09:52,467 --> 00:09:54,427 We got married in a beautiful Catholic Church 179 00:09:54,427 --> 00:09:58,515 and we had a wedding of about 150 people. 180 00:09:58,515 --> 00:10:01,851 And it was by candlelight and it was stunning. 181 00:10:01,851 --> 00:10:06,356 ♪ ♪ 182 00:10:06,356 --> 00:10:08,733 And then a huge reception afterwards 183 00:10:08,733 --> 00:10:10,568 and our wedding song was 184 00:10:10,568 --> 00:10:12,320 Eric Clapton's "Wonderful Tonight." 185 00:10:13,947 --> 00:10:15,740 - ♪ And I say yes ♪ 186 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:20,495 ♪ You look wonderful tonight ♪ 187 00:10:20,495 --> 00:10:22,831 - We had a fantastic night of just dancing 188 00:10:22,831 --> 00:10:24,332 and having a great time. 189 00:10:27,335 --> 00:10:34,342 ♪ ♪ 190 00:10:34,342 --> 00:10:35,760 After we got married, 191 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,514 I needed to send a thank you note to my aunt. 192 00:10:39,514 --> 00:10:41,391 ♪ ♪ 193 00:10:41,391 --> 00:10:43,268 We got married in 2001 194 00:10:43,268 --> 00:10:45,562 and my aunt had just gotten an email account. 195 00:10:45,562 --> 00:10:49,023 And I'm trying to log on to my email account 196 00:10:49,023 --> 00:10:50,608 and it's not connecting. 197 00:10:50,608 --> 00:10:54,237 And I see that his email account is minimized, 198 00:10:54,237 --> 00:10:55,613 so I bring it up. 199 00:10:55,613 --> 00:10:57,657 And I thought, oh, this will work out perfect. 200 00:10:57,657 --> 00:10:59,284 So I fire off the thank you note. 201 00:10:59,284 --> 00:11:03,246 And as I'm sitting there, I see Joel's email account. 202 00:11:03,246 --> 00:11:05,832 ♪ ♪ 203 00:11:05,832 --> 00:11:10,461 And I'm looking at some of the preview lines. 204 00:11:10,461 --> 00:11:11,671 And I can see that 205 00:11:11,671 --> 00:11:16,759 he has been corresponding with a childhood friend. 206 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:21,389 And some of the preview lines are so inappropriate. 207 00:11:21,389 --> 00:11:22,807 ♪ ♪ 208 00:11:22,807 --> 00:11:26,477 Enough to make me double click and open them up. 209 00:11:26,477 --> 00:11:28,521 ♪ ♪ 210 00:11:28,521 --> 00:11:30,857 And the two of them are talking about 211 00:11:30,857 --> 00:11:35,153 what it would have been like if they had ever gotten together. 212 00:11:35,153 --> 00:11:37,280 And then it progresses to say 213 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,324 what it would have been like to have been able 214 00:11:39,324 --> 00:11:42,785 to connect before he and I got married when she was in town. 215 00:11:42,785 --> 00:11:44,996 ♪ ♪ 216 00:11:44,996 --> 00:11:47,665 - Has he violated one of the two things 217 00:11:47,665 --> 00:11:49,834 that she asked him never to do? 218 00:11:49,834 --> 00:11:55,673 Has Joel already betrayed her? 219 00:12:02,430 --> 00:12:04,057 Karoline is devastated. 220 00:12:04,057 --> 00:12:07,018 She is seeing these inappropriate email exchanges 221 00:12:07,018 --> 00:12:10,647 between Joel and his friend. 222 00:12:10,647 --> 00:12:12,232 - And I grabbed a pen 223 00:12:12,232 --> 00:12:14,359 and I wrote on this cocktail napkin, 224 00:12:14,359 --> 00:12:15,568 saw this on your email. 225 00:12:15,568 --> 00:12:17,195 Very angry. 226 00:12:17,195 --> 00:12:20,198 ♪ ♪ 227 00:12:20,198 --> 00:12:23,785 And I taped the cocktail napkin to the computer screen. 228 00:12:23,785 --> 00:12:26,371 ♪ ♪ 229 00:12:26,371 --> 00:12:29,415 And I left. 230 00:12:29,415 --> 00:12:33,378 And I drove over to my parents' house. 231 00:12:33,378 --> 00:12:36,339 And after some de-escalation, my mom said, 232 00:12:36,339 --> 00:12:40,260 you're married now and you need to go handle this. 233 00:12:40,260 --> 00:12:43,554 ♪ ♪ 234 00:12:43,554 --> 00:12:47,517 And I drove home and he was on his knees and crying. 235 00:12:47,517 --> 00:12:49,769 And I said, how could you do this to me? 236 00:12:49,769 --> 00:12:52,272 And he starts saying how it was just for attention. 237 00:12:52,272 --> 00:12:53,690 He would never follow through with it. 238 00:12:53,690 --> 00:12:55,441 I will do anything to show you that 239 00:12:55,441 --> 00:12:57,986 this was the dumbest thing I could have done. 240 00:12:57,986 --> 00:13:02,490 ♪ ♪ 241 00:13:02,490 --> 00:13:03,741 - The next morning, 242 00:13:03,741 --> 00:13:05,660 Joel suggests that they go to couples counseling. 243 00:13:05,660 --> 00:13:08,746 And in fact, he's already made an appointment, 244 00:13:08,746 --> 00:13:11,332 and Karoline is encouraged by this. 245 00:13:11,332 --> 00:13:15,086 ♪ ♪ 246 00:13:15,086 --> 00:13:16,504 One of the things that was brought up 247 00:13:16,504 --> 00:13:19,298 was some pretty significant childhood trauma. 248 00:13:19,298 --> 00:13:22,051 ♪ ♪ 249 00:13:22,051 --> 00:13:24,429 And he had admitted that the trauma 250 00:13:24,429 --> 00:13:25,888 was never really addressed. 251 00:13:25,888 --> 00:13:28,391 ♪ ♪ 252 00:13:28,391 --> 00:13:32,520 And we talked about stressful things that he had seen 253 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,689 as a result of being a police officer, 254 00:13:34,689 --> 00:13:37,942 and that him sending an email like this 255 00:13:37,942 --> 00:13:42,864 could have been just a deflection or a way to cope. 256 00:13:42,864 --> 00:13:47,326 At least this didn't go anywhere besides an email. 257 00:13:47,326 --> 00:13:49,704 And fast forward after that moment, 258 00:13:49,704 --> 00:13:51,456 we hadn't even been married a year 259 00:13:51,456 --> 00:13:56,127 and I found out I was pregnant. 260 00:13:56,127 --> 00:13:59,088 And I showed him the pregnancy test. 261 00:13:59,088 --> 00:14:00,840 He said, I've been waiting for this. 262 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,342 I've always wanted to be a dad. 263 00:14:03,342 --> 00:14:05,053 And we were so happy. 264 00:14:05,053 --> 00:14:07,513 So you can see the baby's coming along. 265 00:14:07,513 --> 00:14:12,393 And then we have a little crib deal set up for the baby. 266 00:14:12,393 --> 00:14:15,146 - It felt like this was just something 267 00:14:15,146 --> 00:14:17,857 that was going to bring us together again. 268 00:14:17,857 --> 00:14:20,902 And it did. It absolutely did. 269 00:14:23,738 --> 00:14:26,074 - During the pregnancy, Karoline and Joel decide 270 00:14:26,074 --> 00:14:29,952 that Joel's career is going to be the priority 271 00:14:29,952 --> 00:14:31,996 so that he can advance and provide for the family. 272 00:14:31,996 --> 00:14:33,331 ♪ ♪ 273 00:14:33,331 --> 00:14:36,167 - He's going to be a good big brother. 274 00:14:36,167 --> 00:14:38,961 Our son was born in 2003. 275 00:14:41,255 --> 00:14:45,301 He was just perfect. Just perfect. 276 00:14:45,301 --> 00:14:48,304 And just a little over a year and a half later, 277 00:14:48,304 --> 00:14:52,600 I knew that I was pregnant again. 278 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,811 Nicole was born in 2005. 279 00:14:54,811 --> 00:14:57,939 Perfect, gorgeous, beautiful baby girl. 280 00:14:57,939 --> 00:15:00,817 - You look just like your big brother, buddy. 281 00:15:02,235 --> 00:15:05,530 Yes. 282 00:15:05,530 --> 00:15:09,784 And I knew that she completed us. 283 00:15:09,784 --> 00:15:12,328 Just five days after Nicole's birth, 284 00:15:12,328 --> 00:15:16,374 Joel learned that he was going to be promoted to sergeant. 285 00:15:16,374 --> 00:15:19,252 He was at the time the youngest sergeant. 286 00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:22,547 Walk to Mama. 287 00:15:22,547 --> 00:15:23,756 Ooh. 288 00:15:23,756 --> 00:15:25,466 From a family standpoint, 289 00:15:25,466 --> 00:15:28,386 the promotion was difficult in the sense that 290 00:15:28,386 --> 00:15:30,138 he went onto a midnight shift. 291 00:15:30,138 --> 00:15:32,140 But the pride that I felt for him 292 00:15:32,140 --> 00:15:33,891 and all what he had accomplished 293 00:15:33,891 --> 00:15:36,352 at such a young age, I mean, it was incredible. 294 00:15:39,730 --> 00:15:43,818 - The schedule was based off of him and his work schedule. 295 00:15:43,818 --> 00:15:45,570 We celebrated all the holidays, 296 00:15:45,570 --> 00:15:47,113 birthdays at the station too. 297 00:15:47,113 --> 00:15:49,115 But I had a nice childhood, I would say. 298 00:15:49,115 --> 00:15:53,035 ♪ ♪ 299 00:15:53,035 --> 00:15:55,997 It's like a pure middle-class 300 00:15:55,997 --> 00:15:59,000 suburban upbringing. 301 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,335 - Karoline's son wants to prioritize his privacy, 302 00:16:01,335 --> 00:16:03,796 but he has a lot to share and a lot to say. 303 00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:07,049 And I spoke to him for hours for the podcast. 304 00:16:07,049 --> 00:16:08,759 And so while you won't see him, 305 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:10,511 you're going to hear pieces of that conversation. 306 00:16:10,511 --> 00:16:13,222 ♪ ♪ 307 00:16:13,222 --> 00:16:14,682 My sister and I, 308 00:16:14,682 --> 00:16:17,685 we were high achievers in school. 309 00:16:17,685 --> 00:16:21,898 - We were super competitive with academics and sports. 310 00:16:21,898 --> 00:16:24,650 And I think my mom really, like, 311 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:26,485 ingrained excellence in us. 312 00:16:26,485 --> 00:16:27,904 ♪ ♪ 313 00:16:27,904 --> 00:16:31,073 And even though Joel is working odd hours, 314 00:16:31,073 --> 00:16:33,910 he's still making time to be there for his kids 315 00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:36,954 and to foster that sense of excellence. 316 00:16:36,954 --> 00:16:38,497 Joel signed up to be a leader 317 00:16:38,497 --> 00:16:40,249 for our son's Cub Scouts. 318 00:16:40,249 --> 00:16:42,293 And after our son announced 319 00:16:42,293 --> 00:16:46,339 that he wanted to try his hand at lacrosse, 320 00:16:46,339 --> 00:16:49,050 Joel volunteered himself to be one of the coaches. 321 00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:51,260 Go, go, go, go! 322 00:16:51,260 --> 00:16:52,261 Yes! 323 00:16:52,261 --> 00:16:53,846 And then our daughter, 324 00:16:53,846 --> 00:16:56,724 she played for a national team and would travel. 325 00:16:56,724 --> 00:16:58,059 And we agreed that 326 00:16:58,059 --> 00:17:00,811 we'll turn these events into family vacations. 327 00:17:03,814 --> 00:17:06,400 To watch him embrace fatherhood, 328 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,444 I mean, it was fantastic. 329 00:17:08,444 --> 00:17:09,695 - What do I do? 330 00:17:09,695 --> 00:17:11,530 Just pull it up. Don't reel it that tight. 331 00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:12,907 OK, I'll help you. 332 00:17:12,907 --> 00:17:14,533 - Ugh! It's so gross. 333 00:17:14,533 --> 00:17:16,369 Oh, my gosh, it's so gross. 334 00:17:16,369 --> 00:17:19,121 Camping trips and being able to mountain bike, 335 00:17:19,121 --> 00:17:21,749 he loved every second of it. 336 00:17:21,749 --> 00:17:23,417 We would always talk about getting an RV, 337 00:17:23,417 --> 00:17:25,670 and then finally, we did. 338 00:17:25,670 --> 00:17:27,838 ♪ ♪ 339 00:17:27,838 --> 00:17:32,593 - Our lives have changed so much, but... 340 00:17:32,593 --> 00:17:36,264 we still have those memories, you know? 341 00:17:39,684 --> 00:17:45,064 ♪ ♪ 342 00:17:45,064 --> 00:17:47,817 - Hey. - Hello. 343 00:17:47,817 --> 00:17:49,819 You ready to do this? - Yeah. 344 00:17:49,819 --> 00:17:50,861 - OK. 345 00:17:50,861 --> 00:17:52,071 - I'm excited, but a little nervous 346 00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:53,197 'cause I don't think I've really seen 347 00:17:53,197 --> 00:17:54,699 a lot of photos of your family. 348 00:17:54,699 --> 00:17:58,828 ♪ ♪ 349 00:17:58,828 --> 00:18:00,121 Oh, my gosh. 350 00:18:00,121 --> 00:18:01,539 What's this story? 351 00:18:01,539 --> 00:18:02,790 Looks like a mug shot. 352 00:18:02,790 --> 00:18:04,625 That's the Joel Kern I met. 353 00:18:04,625 --> 00:18:07,295 - I look at that and I see-- I see your son. 354 00:18:07,295 --> 00:18:08,546 - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. 355 00:18:08,546 --> 00:18:09,964 - And there are moments where I see you, too. 356 00:18:09,964 --> 00:18:12,383 - Mm-hmm. - Is that hard? 357 00:18:12,383 --> 00:18:13,884 - It is kind of weird to think, like, 358 00:18:13,884 --> 00:18:17,096 I have my dad's hair color and I have his eyebrows 359 00:18:17,096 --> 00:18:19,181 and I have his eye color. 360 00:18:19,181 --> 00:18:21,517 - Like, I see myself in my dad. - Yeah. 361 00:18:21,517 --> 00:18:25,021 ♪ ♪ 362 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,692 Almost every night, we would FaceTime to say good night. 363 00:18:29,692 --> 00:18:32,236 Me, you know, at home in bed, 364 00:18:32,236 --> 00:18:37,033 having no idea all what he was doing while I was at home. 365 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:41,037 ♪ ♪ 366 00:18:41,037 --> 00:18:43,372 That's when I had to get hospitalized. 367 00:18:43,372 --> 00:18:45,541 I can remember how terrified I was that week. 368 00:18:45,541 --> 00:18:46,876 She had sepsis, and so 369 00:18:46,876 --> 00:18:49,045 she was in Children's Hospital for about a week. 370 00:18:49,045 --> 00:18:52,632 He had said, it's just a really bad time. 371 00:18:52,632 --> 00:18:55,301 I'll come by when I can. 372 00:18:55,301 --> 00:18:57,511 ♪ ♪ 373 00:18:57,511 --> 00:18:58,638 I remember this day. 374 00:18:58,638 --> 00:19:00,514 I'd been with Nicole for a couple days. 375 00:19:00,514 --> 00:19:03,476 He was working some really crazy hours. 376 00:19:03,476 --> 00:19:04,769 And I asked him, I said, 377 00:19:04,769 --> 00:19:07,313 could you just come by so I could just grab a shower, 378 00:19:07,313 --> 00:19:08,689 get a change of clothes? 379 00:19:08,689 --> 00:19:11,025 And, you know, he's like, OK, I'll figure it out. 380 00:19:11,025 --> 00:19:13,527 At the time I thought, oh, thank goodness he's come by 381 00:19:13,527 --> 00:19:15,654 and he's able to see her and-- 382 00:19:15,654 --> 00:19:17,615 but this picture's time-stamped 383 00:19:17,615 --> 00:19:21,285 and that same day I have time stamps of him 384 00:19:21,285 --> 00:19:24,413 exchanging messages with someone. 385 00:19:24,413 --> 00:19:26,832 Where he made arrangements to meet them. 386 00:19:26,832 --> 00:19:28,793 He was doing things that were dishonest 387 00:19:28,793 --> 00:19:30,252 and deceitful to our family 388 00:19:30,252 --> 00:19:32,380 and to our marriage while we were there. 389 00:19:32,380 --> 00:19:35,466 This picture infuriates me now. 390 00:19:37,885 --> 00:19:39,804 ♪ ♪ 391 00:19:39,804 --> 00:19:43,933 Prom dress shopping. 392 00:19:43,933 --> 00:19:46,894 This is a man who's smiling with his daughter 393 00:19:46,894 --> 00:19:48,270 in this stunning dress. 394 00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:49,980 ♪ ♪ 395 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:54,110 Would you guess that he is the same person 396 00:19:54,110 --> 00:19:56,987 that knows he's under investigation, 397 00:19:56,987 --> 00:19:59,156 has been for over two months? 398 00:19:59,156 --> 00:20:03,327 And I didn't know. 399 00:20:03,327 --> 00:20:05,704 Does that look and smile depict, 400 00:20:05,704 --> 00:20:10,209 I'm going to change this little girl's life forever? 401 00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:13,087 ♪ ♪ 402 00:20:13,087 --> 00:20:17,842 - All pictures of my dad, whenever I see my dad, 403 00:20:17,842 --> 00:20:21,345 it's just-- it's tainted now. 404 00:20:21,345 --> 00:20:27,685 ♪ ♪ 405 00:20:32,606 --> 00:20:35,901 - My dad was such a figure in our community. 406 00:20:35,901 --> 00:20:38,028 This is horrible. 407 00:20:38,028 --> 00:20:40,448 I admired the sacrifices made 408 00:20:40,448 --> 00:20:44,660 and the nobility of the profession. 409 00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:48,372 - We had articles and plaques 410 00:20:48,372 --> 00:20:52,835 and awards hanging up in our house dedicated toward him. 411 00:20:52,835 --> 00:20:56,046 My office that Karoline decorated. 412 00:20:56,046 --> 00:20:57,923 And then there's the computer. 413 00:20:57,923 --> 00:20:59,842 There's Karoline. 414 00:20:59,842 --> 00:21:03,804 And then she put my awards in the room like that. 415 00:21:03,804 --> 00:21:08,559 - He even started jokingly calling it the love me room. 416 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:11,687 - Even during times of tension and scrutiny 417 00:21:11,687 --> 00:21:13,272 surrounding the police, 418 00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:15,149 Joel stood out as one of the good ones. 419 00:21:17,943 --> 00:21:21,447 - Black man being detained by a white police officer 420 00:21:21,447 --> 00:21:24,074 died following that violent arrest. 421 00:21:24,074 --> 00:21:25,743 After George Floyd's death, 422 00:21:25,743 --> 00:21:30,039 there were protests everywhere, including Colorado Springs. 423 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:33,000 And they got pretty intense. 424 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,503 Joel was in charge of overseeing 425 00:21:35,503 --> 00:21:39,757 all the protest response for CSPD. 426 00:21:39,757 --> 00:21:41,717 ♪ ♪ 427 00:21:41,717 --> 00:21:43,177 - There were times where he was working 428 00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:46,430 16, 17, 18 hours, and he was gone. 429 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:51,310 When he would come home, he would start to say, 430 00:21:51,310 --> 00:21:53,103 you know, look, like, this is where people were 431 00:21:53,103 --> 00:21:55,189 throwing frozen water bottles last night. 432 00:21:55,189 --> 00:21:57,900 This is where I got hit. Look at this bruise. 433 00:21:57,900 --> 00:21:59,151 Look at this. 434 00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:00,528 Someone was throwing rocks last night. 435 00:22:00,528 --> 00:22:03,906 Little did I know all what he was doing on that shift. 436 00:22:03,906 --> 00:22:07,535 ♪ ♪ 437 00:22:07,535 --> 00:22:09,912 - The admiration wasn't just at home. 438 00:22:09,912 --> 00:22:12,122 Joel was well-respected by his colleagues. 439 00:22:12,122 --> 00:22:15,793 ♪ ♪ 440 00:22:15,793 --> 00:22:19,713 - Joel came across as very easygoing, 441 00:22:19,713 --> 00:22:22,508 well-spoken, well-dressed. 442 00:22:22,508 --> 00:22:26,262 He definitely looked like he had his shit together. 443 00:22:26,262 --> 00:22:27,930 He had a reputation 444 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:30,641 of really being an excellent police officer 445 00:22:30,641 --> 00:22:35,604 that took his responsibilities seriously. 446 00:22:35,604 --> 00:22:39,275 He was Super Cop. I respected him immediately. 447 00:22:39,275 --> 00:22:41,235 He was clean-cut, he was professional. 448 00:22:41,235 --> 00:22:44,446 I never heard anything negative about Joel Kern. 449 00:22:44,446 --> 00:22:45,906 I looked to him as a mentor. 450 00:22:45,906 --> 00:22:49,493 ♪ ♪ 451 00:22:49,493 --> 00:22:51,912 - Around 2011, 2012, 452 00:22:51,912 --> 00:22:55,749 he had an opportunity to be an internal affairs sergeant. 453 00:22:55,749 --> 00:22:58,669 - I kind of look at it now like I'm the palace guard, 454 00:22:58,669 --> 00:23:02,506 if that makes sense, to help keep the department right. 455 00:23:02,506 --> 00:23:05,509 - His superiors really did think highly of him 456 00:23:05,509 --> 00:23:07,261 and felt that he was capable 457 00:23:07,261 --> 00:23:10,222 of taking on those leadership roles in the department. 458 00:23:10,222 --> 00:23:12,391 - I spent nine years on midnights 459 00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:15,519 and I had two young kids. 460 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:17,271 So I finally had to make a decision. 461 00:23:17,271 --> 00:23:19,773 You know what? I want to be home at night. 462 00:23:19,773 --> 00:23:21,734 I want to be home on the weekends. 463 00:23:21,734 --> 00:23:24,486 An IE opening popped up and I went there 464 00:23:24,486 --> 00:23:26,113 'cause I'm home at night and I'm home on the weekends. 465 00:23:29,116 --> 00:23:32,328 ♪ ♪ 466 00:23:32,328 --> 00:23:37,374 - There are very few events and times that Joel took off work. 467 00:23:37,374 --> 00:23:42,504 But he took off when my dad was sick. 468 00:23:42,504 --> 00:23:45,299 ♪ ♪ 469 00:23:45,299 --> 00:23:50,179 And he spent the weeks 470 00:23:50,179 --> 00:23:51,847 of the end of my dad's life with him. 471 00:23:51,847 --> 00:23:54,350 ♪ ♪ 472 00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:58,062 He was there for my mom, too. 473 00:23:58,062 --> 00:24:00,481 Five years after my dad passed away, 474 00:24:00,481 --> 00:24:03,525 my mom was diagnosed with lung cancer. 475 00:24:03,525 --> 00:24:08,197 And Joel volunteered to take her to chemo. 476 00:24:08,197 --> 00:24:12,952 And in middle of December of 2016, 477 00:24:12,952 --> 00:24:16,413 I was at work and my cell phone rang. 478 00:24:16,413 --> 00:24:18,540 ♪ ♪ 479 00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:23,712 And he said, there's just nothing they can do for her. 480 00:24:23,712 --> 00:24:28,008 And I drove to my mom's house. She was laying in her bed. 481 00:24:28,008 --> 00:24:31,011 ♪ ♪ 482 00:24:31,011 --> 00:24:32,388 And Joel was holding her hand 483 00:24:32,388 --> 00:24:35,307 and was, like, stroking her hair. 484 00:24:37,935 --> 00:24:41,522 And he was there the day she died. 485 00:24:44,525 --> 00:24:47,027 ♪ ♪ 486 00:24:47,027 --> 00:24:50,572 And my mom loved and trusted him so much 487 00:24:50,572 --> 00:24:54,284 that she left him as the executor of her will. 488 00:24:54,284 --> 00:24:56,954 ♪ ♪ 489 00:24:56,954 --> 00:24:58,747 And one of the things that was passed to me 490 00:24:58,747 --> 00:25:02,084 was this rental property, and I wanted to sell it. 491 00:25:02,084 --> 00:25:05,295 And he told me, this is passive income. 492 00:25:05,295 --> 00:25:07,172 You don't have to do anything with this house. 493 00:25:07,172 --> 00:25:09,216 I will handle everything with it. 494 00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:16,223 ♪ ♪ 495 00:25:17,433 --> 00:25:18,934 It's the blue one right here. 496 00:25:18,934 --> 00:25:21,478 Oh, wow. 497 00:25:21,478 --> 00:25:23,147 I did not want this house. 498 00:25:25,315 --> 00:25:26,692 We had this discussion of, 499 00:25:26,692 --> 00:25:28,402 it's been in your family for this amount of time. 500 00:25:28,402 --> 00:25:29,737 Let's just keep it. 501 00:25:29,737 --> 00:25:30,988 You don't even have to step foot in there 502 00:25:30,988 --> 00:25:31,989 if you don't want to. 503 00:25:31,989 --> 00:25:35,284 ♪ ♪ 504 00:25:35,284 --> 00:25:36,952 - He did hold up his end of the bargain. 505 00:25:36,952 --> 00:25:38,245 - He did. - He did. 506 00:25:38,245 --> 00:25:39,455 He made sure to take care of the house, 507 00:25:39,455 --> 00:25:41,248 deal with the tenants. 508 00:25:41,248 --> 00:25:46,795 But instead of doing exactly what was asked 509 00:25:46,795 --> 00:25:49,715 of him by my mom, my dying mom, 510 00:25:49,715 --> 00:25:55,095 he used this as another platform for his deviance. 511 00:25:55,095 --> 00:25:58,015 ♪ ♪ 512 00:26:03,937 --> 00:26:06,315 ♪ ♪ 513 00:26:06,315 --> 00:26:08,192 Around 2016, Joel came home 514 00:26:08,192 --> 00:26:10,402 and he was like, I've been offered to step in 515 00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:12,488 as the interim public information officer 516 00:26:12,488 --> 00:26:14,364 with the Colorado Springs Police Department. 517 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:19,703 - The public information officer, or the PIO, 518 00:26:19,703 --> 00:26:21,789 is the spokesperson for the police department. 519 00:26:21,789 --> 00:26:26,126 And they have a close working relationship with the media. 520 00:26:26,126 --> 00:26:29,671 I mean, what a great professional accolade. 521 00:26:29,671 --> 00:26:33,467 And he assumed the role. 522 00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:34,843 Normally in these types of crimes, 523 00:26:34,843 --> 00:26:39,223 it is very complicated, very intensive investigations. 524 00:26:39,223 --> 00:26:40,933 - He did fantastic with it 525 00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:44,853 and you could tell Joel loved the role. 526 00:26:44,853 --> 00:26:46,939 When you say a million dollars' worth of jewelry, 527 00:26:46,939 --> 00:26:49,566 some people might think that that suitcase is full. 528 00:26:49,566 --> 00:26:52,778 However, it could be valuable jewelry that's small. 529 00:26:52,778 --> 00:26:54,071 - I thought it was really cool 530 00:26:54,071 --> 00:26:56,907 that I was able to see my dad on the news. 531 00:26:56,907 --> 00:26:59,827 - The sales of spice have dropped off dramatically. 532 00:26:59,827 --> 00:27:02,162 - We would be walking through the grocery store 533 00:27:02,162 --> 00:27:03,705 and someone would stop and recognize him. 534 00:27:03,705 --> 00:27:05,791 And you could see him beam. 535 00:27:05,791 --> 00:27:09,503 He loved the recognition for it. 536 00:27:09,503 --> 00:27:14,508 ♪ ♪ 537 00:27:14,508 --> 00:27:18,512 Joel had been the interim PIO for maybe half a year, 538 00:27:18,512 --> 00:27:20,722 but it's meant for a lieutenant. 539 00:27:20,722 --> 00:27:24,351 ♪ ♪ 540 00:27:24,351 --> 00:27:29,648 Mid-2018, he was selected for the position of lieutenant. 541 00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:33,193 The person who was the PIO was going to retire. 542 00:27:33,193 --> 00:27:39,241 ♪ ♪ 543 00:27:39,241 --> 00:27:41,076 He interviewed and came home and said, 544 00:27:41,076 --> 00:27:42,870 I feel fantastic about it. 545 00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:44,997 And we were all just waiting on pins and needles. 546 00:27:44,997 --> 00:27:46,707 and I remember when he got the call. 547 00:27:46,707 --> 00:27:51,628 ♪ ♪ 548 00:27:51,628 --> 00:27:55,465 I knew how excited he was, and we were excited as a family 549 00:27:55,465 --> 00:27:59,469 because we knew he loved that role. 550 00:27:59,469 --> 00:28:02,389 It was really, really an exciting time. 551 00:28:05,392 --> 00:28:06,852 ♪ ♪ 552 00:28:06,852 --> 00:28:10,856 - Just weeks before Joel starts his permanent PIO job, 553 00:28:10,856 --> 00:28:13,775 he comes home and he's acting strangely. 554 00:28:13,775 --> 00:28:16,862 ♪ ♪ 555 00:28:16,862 --> 00:28:21,158 And I can feel the tension from him. 556 00:28:21,158 --> 00:28:23,035 I said, are you OK? 557 00:28:23,035 --> 00:28:27,497 And he said no. I'm not going to get PIO. 558 00:28:27,497 --> 00:28:29,791 The chief came into our shift last night 559 00:28:29,791 --> 00:28:33,003 and I had a blow-up with him and then the chief decided 560 00:28:33,003 --> 00:28:35,505 that he was taking away PIO from him. 561 00:28:35,505 --> 00:28:38,133 ♪ ♪ 562 00:28:38,133 --> 00:28:42,721 I said, you and the chief of police got into it? 563 00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:46,058 ♪ ♪ 564 00:28:46,058 --> 00:28:48,226 I could not wrap my head around it. 565 00:28:48,226 --> 00:28:51,396 I'm like, who are you? 566 00:28:51,396 --> 00:28:53,440 - Joel would never do this. 567 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,733 She knew something wasn't right. 568 00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:57,027 ♪ ♪ 569 00:28:57,027 --> 00:29:01,949 But little did she know Joel was under investigation. 570 00:29:01,949 --> 00:29:03,325 ♪ ♪ 571 00:29:03,325 --> 00:29:05,661 Joel had worked closely with a reporter 572 00:29:05,661 --> 00:29:08,413 when he was temporary PIO, 573 00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:10,832 and she filed a complaint for sexual harassment. 574 00:29:15,837 --> 00:29:19,424 Had he crossed a line he couldn't come back from? 575 00:29:19,424 --> 00:29:22,386 But Joel didn't tell Karoline about any of this. 576 00:29:22,386 --> 00:29:24,388 Instead, he had an excuse. 577 00:29:24,388 --> 00:29:26,723 ♪ ♪ 578 00:29:26,723 --> 00:29:29,977 - He said, I've had so much tension built up in me 579 00:29:29,977 --> 00:29:33,605 because I have severe PTSD from work. 580 00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:37,609 ♪ ♪ 581 00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:41,905 - 70% of cops have PTSD, most of which is undiagnosed. 582 00:29:41,905 --> 00:29:43,532 ♪ ♪ 583 00:29:43,532 --> 00:29:45,993 You know what you call the other 30%? 584 00:29:45,993 --> 00:29:47,661 Rookies. 585 00:29:47,661 --> 00:29:49,788 In other words, it's going to happen. 586 00:29:49,788 --> 00:29:51,748 Every cop gets PTSD. 587 00:29:51,748 --> 00:29:53,709 The job is not driving around 588 00:29:53,709 --> 00:29:55,460 giving speeding tickets to soccer moms. 589 00:29:59,006 --> 00:30:00,924 It's tragedy every day. 590 00:30:03,927 --> 00:30:05,846 ♪ ♪ 591 00:30:05,846 --> 00:30:08,682 And so I did find a therapist who specialized 592 00:30:08,682 --> 00:30:11,601 in PTSD for first responders. 593 00:30:11,601 --> 00:30:14,479 And Joel did engage in therapy. 594 00:30:14,479 --> 00:30:16,440 And Joel went right back 595 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,943 to continuing as a midnight lieutenant. 596 00:30:19,943 --> 00:30:22,487 No harm, no foul. 597 00:30:22,487 --> 00:30:25,490 But Karoline was really worried about him mentally. 598 00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:28,577 It was a really tough time. 599 00:30:34,624 --> 00:30:38,336 - Joel told Karoline that he lost his job as PIO 600 00:30:38,336 --> 00:30:40,589 because of a fight with the police chief, 601 00:30:40,589 --> 00:30:42,466 so he starts seeing a therapist 602 00:30:42,466 --> 00:30:44,301 and saw no other consequences at work. 603 00:30:44,301 --> 00:30:47,721 But he's really in a bad place mentally. 604 00:30:47,721 --> 00:30:51,600 Around spring of 2019, 605 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,853 we were sitting at our son's lacrosse game 606 00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:58,065 and he was particularly disengaged. 607 00:30:58,065 --> 00:31:02,194 And so after the game, I said to him, what is going on? 608 00:31:02,194 --> 00:31:06,782 And he said, I'm having issues with our son driving. 609 00:31:06,782 --> 00:31:08,241 ♪ ♪ 610 00:31:08,241 --> 00:31:11,244 Now that he's 16, I find myself 611 00:31:11,244 --> 00:31:14,039 replaying all the different fatal accidents 612 00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:18,460 that I've been to where there's been a kid involved. 613 00:31:18,460 --> 00:31:21,546 ♪ ♪ 614 00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:23,465 And that hit me. 615 00:31:23,465 --> 00:31:26,259 ♪ ♪ 616 00:31:26,259 --> 00:31:28,970 How can I make sure that you feel safe with him driving? 617 00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:32,140 ♪ ♪ 618 00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:34,017 Trying to take every measure possible 619 00:31:34,017 --> 00:31:35,310 just to put him at ease. 620 00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:37,646 ♪ ♪ 621 00:31:37,646 --> 00:31:40,190 - While Joel's focusing on his mental health, 622 00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:44,027 there was still a lot to celebrate within the family. 623 00:31:44,027 --> 00:31:46,571 - Our daughter was getting ready to have her sweet 16, 624 00:31:46,571 --> 00:31:49,407 our son was graduating from high school, 625 00:31:49,407 --> 00:31:50,700 and Joel and I were 626 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:53,161 approaching our 20th anniversary. 627 00:31:53,161 --> 00:31:56,331 And he said, let's go big. 628 00:31:56,331 --> 00:31:58,333 And then we invited friends to join us 629 00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:02,212 on what they thought was just a vacation in Mexico. 630 00:32:02,212 --> 00:32:06,049 - We spent some really fun days together. 631 00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:09,678 And then it was sprung upon us that it wasn't just a trip, 632 00:32:09,678 --> 00:32:12,430 but it was a vow renewal for Joel and Karoline 633 00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:14,432 and that we were all here for that purpose. 634 00:32:17,435 --> 00:32:18,812 ♪ ♪ 635 00:32:18,812 --> 00:32:22,232 When it was time for his vows to me, 636 00:32:22,232 --> 00:32:25,110 he said, the first time I did this, 637 00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:27,237 we were just getting started out 638 00:32:27,237 --> 00:32:29,364 and I just did this impulsively. 639 00:32:29,364 --> 00:32:33,743 This time around, I put some thought to it. 640 00:32:33,743 --> 00:32:36,997 - Joel was crying when he was saying his vows. 641 00:32:36,997 --> 00:32:40,417 That just sticks with me sometimes. 642 00:32:40,417 --> 00:32:42,836 And he got down on one knee 643 00:32:42,836 --> 00:32:45,589 and he had this huge, beautiful new ring for me. 644 00:32:45,589 --> 00:32:48,258 And there wasn't a dry eye on that beach. 645 00:32:48,258 --> 00:32:51,052 ♪ ♪ 646 00:32:51,052 --> 00:32:52,554 - There was so much that was 647 00:32:52,554 --> 00:32:54,514 going on in their lives at that point. 648 00:32:54,514 --> 00:32:56,141 You know, Karoline was so afraid 649 00:32:56,141 --> 00:32:57,893 and the kids were worried about their dad, 650 00:32:57,893 --> 00:33:01,897 that to go there and to watch them, it was just inspiring. 651 00:33:01,897 --> 00:33:04,774 That's the kind of love that people aspire for. 652 00:33:04,774 --> 00:33:07,986 ♪ ♪ 653 00:33:10,071 --> 00:33:13,283 Our son at our reception, 654 00:33:13,283 --> 00:33:18,038 he grabs a glass of champagne for a toast. 655 00:33:18,038 --> 00:33:19,748 I was proud to have parents 656 00:33:19,748 --> 00:33:25,629 that were still together, having a 20-plus year marriage 657 00:33:25,629 --> 00:33:28,924 with the renewal of vows. 658 00:33:28,924 --> 00:33:31,509 And he said, out of all my friends, 659 00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:33,553 my parents are the anomaly. 660 00:33:33,553 --> 00:33:38,308 Cheers to my mom and dad for showing us what love is. 661 00:33:38,308 --> 00:33:43,104 ♪ ♪ 662 00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:44,731 - When they got back from Mexico, 663 00:33:44,731 --> 00:33:46,233 things were OK for a while. 664 00:33:46,233 --> 00:33:48,985 But then Karoline says, Joel's mental health 665 00:33:48,985 --> 00:33:53,782 started to decline and things got really bad. 666 00:33:53,782 --> 00:33:55,700 And he says, Karoline, 667 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:59,412 I think I'm having a nervous breakdown. 668 00:33:59,412 --> 00:34:01,706 I just said, quit. 669 00:34:01,706 --> 00:34:03,792 You know, you've done this for over 25 years. 670 00:34:03,792 --> 00:34:04,960 Just quit. 671 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,795 We'll figure it out. 672 00:34:06,795 --> 00:34:10,757 I can't stand seeing you like this. 673 00:34:10,757 --> 00:34:12,592 - They are working as a team 674 00:34:12,592 --> 00:34:15,929 to figure out how to get Joel better. 675 00:34:18,265 --> 00:34:19,975 But a month later, 676 00:34:19,975 --> 00:34:24,229 Joel's actions would destroy their family. 677 00:34:24,229 --> 00:34:29,901 I wanted to talk a little bit about April 11th, 2022. 678 00:34:29,901 --> 00:34:30,986 You know, I can't do that 679 00:34:30,986 --> 00:34:32,946 without talking about April 10th. 680 00:34:32,946 --> 00:34:35,407 April 10th, it was a Sunday. 681 00:34:35,407 --> 00:34:37,033 And Nicole and I had gotten up 682 00:34:37,033 --> 00:34:39,077 and we were getting ready for church. 683 00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:40,870 And Joel emerged and came into the bathroom 684 00:34:40,870 --> 00:34:44,708 and said, hey, I'm going to go with you guys. 685 00:34:44,708 --> 00:34:47,127 Nicole's face was just like, oh my gosh, Daddy. 686 00:34:47,127 --> 00:34:48,670 Like, really, you're going to come with us? 687 00:34:48,670 --> 00:34:51,506 Because he had never participated 688 00:34:51,506 --> 00:34:53,216 in that part of our lives. 689 00:34:53,216 --> 00:34:55,218 And he went to Mass with us. 690 00:34:55,218 --> 00:34:57,137 It was what we thought was 691 00:34:57,137 --> 00:34:59,431 kind of this enlightening moment for him, 692 00:34:59,431 --> 00:35:02,142 that he was finding his faith 693 00:35:02,142 --> 00:35:05,103 and finding just mental health stability. 694 00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:10,066 It was just such a good day and it was a good night, too. 695 00:35:12,819 --> 00:35:15,155 I've never told you this. 696 00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:21,202 It was the last time we were intimate. 697 00:35:21,202 --> 00:35:23,580 It was just a good day. 698 00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:25,248 And I said to him, 699 00:35:25,248 --> 00:35:27,751 I'm so proud of you for putting yourself first 700 00:35:27,751 --> 00:35:29,669 and your mental health first. 701 00:35:32,672 --> 00:35:37,469 ♪ ♪ 702 00:35:37,469 --> 00:35:39,387 That next day, I was at work. 703 00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:42,557 It was around 1:30 in the afternoon. 704 00:35:42,557 --> 00:35:46,728 ♪ ♪ 705 00:35:46,728 --> 00:35:48,438 I was in an online meeting 706 00:35:48,438 --> 00:35:52,359 and I see this notification come through on my phone. 707 00:35:52,359 --> 00:35:54,903 And we had outside cameras around our home 708 00:35:54,903 --> 00:35:57,447 and I see that there's movement on the cameras. 709 00:35:57,447 --> 00:36:01,660 And I see that it's Joel. 710 00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:07,415 I watch him drag up the trash can. 711 00:36:07,415 --> 00:36:09,167 And I send him a quick text and I just said, 712 00:36:09,167 --> 00:36:11,920 hey, what brought you home so early? 713 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,338 And he didn't respond. 714 00:36:13,338 --> 00:36:15,924 ♪ ♪ 715 00:36:15,924 --> 00:36:18,385 And as I'm watching, I thought to myself, 716 00:36:18,385 --> 00:36:20,678 where is his cop car? 717 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,726 So I texted him again. 718 00:36:26,726 --> 00:36:28,395 Hey, why are you home so early? 719 00:36:28,395 --> 00:36:30,438 I noticed that your cop car isn't in the driveway. 720 00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:34,025 Is everything OK? He didn't respond. 721 00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:35,276 ♪ ♪ 722 00:36:35,276 --> 00:36:37,153 So I texted him again and I said, 723 00:36:37,153 --> 00:36:39,197 I'm a little scared, 'cause you're not responding. 724 00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:40,990 Is everything OK? 725 00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:43,493 ♪ ♪ 726 00:36:43,493 --> 00:36:45,662 And then at this point, 727 00:36:45,662 --> 00:36:51,042 I see the dots on the iPhone just bouncing. 728 00:36:51,042 --> 00:36:53,294 And then I got a text 729 00:36:53,294 --> 00:36:56,673 that completely changed my life. 730 00:37:02,095 --> 00:37:05,223 I texted Joel, "Everything OK?" 731 00:37:07,892 --> 00:37:13,231 His response was, no, everything's not OK. 732 00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:16,734 I fucked up the worst I've ever fucked up in my life. 733 00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:21,030 You're going to want to divorce me. 734 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:25,618 And I had this panic and fear come over me. 735 00:37:25,618 --> 00:37:27,412 And I wrote back, what are you talking about? 736 00:37:27,412 --> 00:37:31,332 What is going on? 737 00:37:31,332 --> 00:37:33,168 And he wrote back, 738 00:37:33,168 --> 00:37:37,255 I was caught receiving oral sex in my cop car. 739 00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:41,551 I lied about it during an internal affairs investigation. 740 00:37:41,551 --> 00:37:46,598 I'm pending termination. I have ruined our lives. 741 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:52,854 And I sat there staring at that. 742 00:37:52,854 --> 00:37:55,899 I just closed my laptop. 743 00:37:55,899 --> 00:37:57,525 I didn't excuse myself 744 00:37:57,525 --> 00:37:59,569 from this very professional meeting. 745 00:37:59,569 --> 00:38:01,780 I didn't tell anyone what I was doing. 746 00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:06,743 I just got my stuff and I walked out of my work. 747 00:38:06,743 --> 00:38:10,872 I made it to a street corner before I lost it. 748 00:38:10,872 --> 00:38:15,460 ♪ ♪ 749 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:18,421 And I was crying and I called him. 750 00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:23,176 And I just kept repeating over and over and over again, 751 00:38:23,176 --> 00:38:25,220 what did you do? 752 00:38:25,220 --> 00:38:27,096 What did you do? 753 00:38:27,096 --> 00:38:29,682 ♪ ♪ 754 00:38:29,682 --> 00:38:33,478 And he said, I'm sorry, Karoline, I'm just so sorry. 755 00:38:33,478 --> 00:38:39,609 ♪ ♪ 756 00:38:39,609 --> 00:38:41,653 I got home. 757 00:38:43,988 --> 00:38:46,991 And he wasn't there. 758 00:38:46,991 --> 00:38:50,203 And I heard Nicole come home. 759 00:38:50,203 --> 00:38:55,375 And she was just so unsuspecting. 760 00:38:55,375 --> 00:38:56,793 It was like 761 00:38:56,793 --> 00:39:01,840 her last moments of an innocent voice. 762 00:39:04,634 --> 00:39:07,887 ♪ ♪ 763 00:39:07,887 --> 00:39:09,013 I thought it was weird 764 00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:13,059 that my mom was home from work already. 765 00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:17,355 And she said, like, come talk to me. 766 00:39:17,355 --> 00:39:20,608 Something happened. 767 00:39:20,608 --> 00:39:22,360 She started choking up 768 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,196 and couldn't really express the words. 769 00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:26,906 And so I said, like, what's happening? 770 00:39:26,906 --> 00:39:30,493 What's wrong? Is Daddy OK? 771 00:39:30,493 --> 00:39:33,496 And she started crying. 772 00:39:33,496 --> 00:39:37,500 And so she said, call your brother on the phone. 773 00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:39,752 I get a call from my sister. 774 00:39:39,752 --> 00:39:42,297 It's an emergency. 775 00:39:42,297 --> 00:39:47,719 I remember my mom and my sister shaken up. 776 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,346 ♪ ♪ 777 00:39:50,346 --> 00:39:54,183 Nicole had her brother on speakerphone. 778 00:39:54,183 --> 00:39:57,604 I could hear Joel come home. 779 00:39:57,604 --> 00:40:00,023 And I said, you need to tell them. 780 00:40:00,023 --> 00:40:02,066 He told both of the kids, 781 00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:05,403 I got caught receiving oral sex in my cop car. 782 00:40:05,403 --> 00:40:08,448 ♪ ♪ 783 00:40:08,448 --> 00:40:13,328 I'm pending termination. So emotionless. 784 00:40:13,328 --> 00:40:14,871 It was, like, rehearsed. 785 00:40:14,871 --> 00:40:17,624 ♪ ♪ 786 00:40:17,624 --> 00:40:21,377 And both kids just started crying. 787 00:40:21,377 --> 00:40:26,924 And our son, he kept saying, why? 788 00:40:26,924 --> 00:40:31,971 Why would you do this to our family? 789 00:40:31,971 --> 00:40:36,976 My initial reaction was anger 790 00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:42,273 and such a profound feeling of betrayal. 791 00:40:42,273 --> 00:40:45,193 Our son hangs up in a rage. 792 00:40:45,193 --> 00:40:48,821 Our daughter has buried her head into me and crying. 793 00:40:48,821 --> 00:40:52,659 And in the moment of seeing all of that emotion, 794 00:40:52,659 --> 00:40:55,578 he takes off his wedding ring. 795 00:40:55,578 --> 00:40:57,455 He just walked out the door. 796 00:40:57,455 --> 00:40:59,332 That was it. That's how he left us. 797 00:41:02,377 --> 00:41:07,131 This isn't a simple affair story. 798 00:41:07,131 --> 00:41:11,594 My mom and sister were both so overcome with grief 799 00:41:11,594 --> 00:41:14,931 and it would only get worse. 800 00:41:14,931 --> 00:41:19,102 - We had just been pawns in his game and story. 801 00:41:19,102 --> 00:41:21,479 ♪ ♪ 58545

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