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This programme contains
some strong language.
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What happened to me you couldn't
plan in a million years, really.
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I was as surprised, or probably more
surprised that it happened to me,
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because it certainly wasn't
a grand ambition.
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Oh, that's gorgeous.
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It always makes me laugh
when you hear journalists say
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to actors or people
in showbusiness, you know,
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how did you plan your career?
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I don't think that's a possibility.
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They all ask, how did it all begin?
How did you get your name?
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Where did you meet Justin?
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I don't know.
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What's that? Bird.
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Mayfair 0667 was
the number of Lucie Clayton.
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Training for the day when heads
will turn to look at them
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at an academy in London are some of
Britain's models of the future,
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for this is one of the country's
most up-to-date training schools
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for models and mannequins.
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Models at the time were, you know,
upper-class girls
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who'd all gone to finishing school,
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and it was a very rarefied world
that was very aspirational.
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The proper court curtsy
that may well be needed
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one day on presentation at court,
or at some royal occasion.
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A lot of us looked very much
like each other,
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and I think that was one of
the great bonuses.
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You could... anybody would look like
anybody else.
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A pointed lesson - how to pivot
round an umbrella and how to carry
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it with not a trace of awkwardness.
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23Girls from my sort of background
didn't become models.
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Lesley!
All right.
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Breakfast is ready.
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I was born in Neasden in 1949,
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and I was the third
of three girls to Nell and Norman.
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That's my mum and dad.
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We were working class, definitely,
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but I never, ever felt that I didn't
have what I wanted.
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A happy home, actually.
I had a lovely childhood.
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My mum had issues
with her mental health,
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which I think today she'd be
diagnosed as bipolar probably,
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because for months and months
and months she'd be absolutely fine,
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and then she'd get very low
and very depressed
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and she'd have to go away
for a couple of weeks.
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My dad was amazing through
that time, really,
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because, you know,
he was mum and dad to me.
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I wasn't really aware
until I was much older that,
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you know, she had this condition
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and she had it all her life.
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Got lots of pictures of her
when she's small, you know.
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It is nice.
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We get them out and have a laugh
over some, some of them, you know.
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Oh, this one was when she was
at school.
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She's about, um, about six,
I suppose, there.
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By the time I was 13 and a half,
14, I'd become a mod.
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I was allowed out one night a week
and we went to a mod club in Harrow.
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And if you were a mod,
the fashion was very specific.
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It was almost like a uniform
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because, I mean, I wore that
and my friends wore that.
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But it was quite an amazing club.
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We saw people like the Yardbirds,
Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck,
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Georgie Fame,
Eric Burdon and the Animals.
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I mean, this is all pre them
becoming major bands and rock stars.
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I did get asked out by one boy,
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and then he rang me and said,
"I'm so sorry,
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"but I can't afford a girlfriend
and a new scooter,
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"so I'm going for the scooter."
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I got dumped for a scooter.
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And then, we had the amazing
Barbara Hulanicki gave us Biba.
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And that was like
a revelation to me.
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And suddenly there was this new
youthful idea for clothes,
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catering and designing clothes
for young people, for us.
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You'd go into this store
and there was amazing music playing,
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and there were beautiful
period lampshades,
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feather boas everywhere and palm
trees, as well as clothes.
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She used to come in on Saturdays,
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see this incredible girl who
had this face like a Greta Garbo.
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I mean, she was really beautiful.
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And she would just stand there
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and watch everything
that was going on.
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She was like a ghost.
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Because her eyes were really low
down in the face and huge.
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The eye make-up and everything
was obviously her own idea.
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I had a rag doll in my bedroom,
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and she had these spiky eyelashes
underneath her eyes
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and the long ones on the top.
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So I kind of copied that.
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Draw all the ones underneath.
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I used to put three pairs
of eyelashes on the top.
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I didn't wear foundation or powder
or anything.
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It was all about the eyes.
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I used to have a Saturday job
at a hairdressers
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where my sister worked,
and Justin's brother worked.
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And one day he came over
to see my sister over here,
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and Justin gave him a lift
and I met Justin.
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I was probably about 15 by then.
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And he was in his...
he was about 25.
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It wasn't very politically
correct now, thinking back,
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but then I suppose it was
a different time.
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And I have to say, you know,
whatever I think now...
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..as a mature woman,
he was very respectful.
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I mean, he was just friendly
at first.
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And then over a period of months
he said, you know,
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"Can I come and take you out?"
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And we didn't really get into
a proper relationship until,
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you know, after I was 16.
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You know, my mum and dad
weren't too happy about it,
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although he got my mum on his side
because he was quite sweet with her.
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And, you know, there was
a kindness to him.
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I met Justin about two years ago now
and I started going out with him.
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You know, he knew I wanted
to be a model,
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and he used to try
and take me to friends
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who took photographs,
but they weren't very good.
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A friend of Justin's worked on
a woman's magazine.
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One of the editors there
met me and said,
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"You'll never make a model.
You're too small and too slim."
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She was too short. She was too thin.
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She didn't have a bust.
She wasn't curvaceous.
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She just wasn't what people
were looking for.
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I remember going home
on the bus crying.
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But she did say, "You've got a very
interesting pretty little face.
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"Let's do some test shots."
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And she said,
"But your hair's a mess."
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So they sent me to Leonard's.
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Too many teenagers nowadays
are inclined
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to back-comb their hair
and make it look like beehives.
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And they forgot actually,
what it is.
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It's actually hair that should be
looked after well
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and treated properly.
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I presumed it would be a trim.
Oh, boy!
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It was more than a trim.
I was in there for seven hours.
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He sent me upstairs
to Daniel Galvin,
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who's the brilliant colourist.
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Did you see Barbara Streisand
on Saturday?
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Yeah, I did.
She's fantastic.
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She really is terrific.
Oh! She's gorgeous.
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When he turned me round
to the mirror, it was amazing.
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It was like, oh, my God!
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And he sent me to this lovely
photographer called Barry Lategan,
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who was a new young photographer,
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to have my photograph taken
of his haircut.
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I was totally overwhelmed
and intimidated.
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I'd never been in a studio.
I'd never sat in front of a camera.
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And he just sat me in a chair
and he had all his lights.
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And then he went behind the camera.
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I was nervous, but he was such
a sweet man, and he was so kind.
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And he just said, "Just look at me
and, you know, look at the lens."
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And ironically, that one photograph
is probably one of the most
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well-known photographs of me.
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And it was the first photograph
that was taken.
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Is the shirt all right, chaps?
Yeah.
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You ready?
Yeah.
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Leonard hung a print of the haircut
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in the lobby of the salon,
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and one of his clients was
a lady called Deirdre McSharry,
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who was the fashion editor
on the Daily Express.
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I was working with
a rather famous model
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in a studio quite late
the night before,
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and she was very bad-tempered
and depressing.
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And I was suddenly looking
at the photograph
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of somebody infinitely different.
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Very young, very sweet, very lovely,
and I thought, this is what we need.
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So I met Deirdre a week later.
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They took some more photographs
of me
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and she said, "This is going to go
in the newspaper."
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And it was really exciting
because that,
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you know, that didn't happen
to people like us.
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My dear dad, bless him,
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he used to go down to
the corner shop every morning
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to get the Daily Express to see
if there was anything in it,
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and nothing came out,
and nothing came out.
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And then suddenly,
about three weeks later,
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he came rushing into my bedroom.
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I was still in bed and he said,
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"Oh, Les, Les, look.
It's a whole page."
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From these great ravishing,
long-limbed beauties
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came this child, this waif.
She looked about 12.
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And the headline was Twiggy,
The Face of '66.
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And she had this cute little haircut
that Leonard had done.
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He also did my hair,
but not like that.
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She had freckles.
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She had huge, arresting eyes,
a genderfluid, little elfin face.
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A friend used to tease me
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about my skinny legs,
and he used to call me Sticks.
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And then one day,
Sticks turned into Twiggy.
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If that article had been
Lesley Hornby,
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it wouldn't have had the impact.
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Her name came like a lightning bolt.
Twiggy.
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Twiggy. Twiggy. Twiggy.
Twiggy. Twiggy. Twiggy...
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The second she arrived,
she blew the world apart.
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It was just what the fashion
world was waiting for, actually.
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Magazines were booking her
without having even seen her.
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? And my heart is yours... ?
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And by lunchtime,
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I think every other newspaper
in Fleet Street had rung,
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saying how do we get
in touch with this charmer?
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My first professional paid job
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was with Peggy Moffitt,
because it was with Barry Lategan,
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because he thought she would
look after me
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and she could teach me
a bit about moving.
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You know, I'd never done this...
by jumping into the fire.
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I mean, it was mad, really.
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? That's in my soul
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? Started something
that I can't control
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? That's what happens
when I get... ?
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We got deluged with offers
for modelling.
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And we couldn't cope with it
at first.
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You know, I never anticipated it.
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And within about three weeks,
she was the top model.
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There's no doubt about it.
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? My heart was yearning
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? Couldn't fight it if I tried
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? There's a part of... ?
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Those original pictures that were
created by Barry Lategan,
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Helmut Newton.
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That incredible image of her
on the bicycle by Ron Traeger.
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If you look at that photograph
of Twiggy on the bike,
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it's such a fantastic picture
because it kind of embodies
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everything that was about freedom
and sexual liberation.
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Twiggy changed the face of fashion
by one simple thing -
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she smiled. She smiled a lot.
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In fact, I can barely think of her
when she wasn't smiling.
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That she was transcending herself
and all of us,
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whether we knew it or not,
into this other world.
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I love the idea that
the talent was spotted
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by Deirdre McSharry on the Express
and Vogue followed suit.
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It makes me laugh.
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? Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, yeah. ?
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It was 1966, and I was as green
as the grass in your garden.
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Is that 10.00 in the morning?
Yeah.
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But I'll be working all night.
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It was very apparent
I had to leave school.
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And I can remember my dad
kind of saying,
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if I don't give you permission
to leave
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and you don't try
and follow this dream,
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you might never forgive me,
which I would have done
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because I loved him,
but quite wise of him, really.
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But he said,
"If you're going to do it,
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"Justin has got to go to
all the photoshoots with you."
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Because, as my dad said, "I know
what these photographers are like."
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Stay, baby. Stay, stay.
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Being a photographer,
and I think I've said it before,
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it's rather like working
in a sweet shop,
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that you just try not to mess around
with the liquorice allsorts.
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Undo the jacket.
Come on now, come on, work.
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Come on. Straighten your hair up.
Go into profile. That way.
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Yeah, it's not as easy
as you think it is,
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and it's not as glamorous.
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If you go out on location
in the winter,
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little summer dresses -
it's blooming freezing.
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I mean, it's very hard work.
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Round to me, darling.
A bit more... perfect. Perfect.
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In those days, there were no such
things as stylists.
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There might have been at Vogue at
the very top level, but not for us.
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ALARM CLOCK
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I have to be up, in here,
made up by 9.15 in the morning
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until it could be any time at night.
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We were expected, obviously,
to do all our own make-up,
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but also to change our hair.
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But you had to bring wigs and
hairpieces and be able to do them.
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We had false fingernails
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and you'd got to be able to change
the colour of that.
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So you're carrying your nail varnish
about with you.
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You had to have black tights,
clear tights.
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You had to have polo necks
in black, beige and in white,
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in case you were doing coats.
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You had to bring your own gloves,
your earrings and bracelets
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and things like this.
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You couldn't afford a car,
so you went everywhere by tube.
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And you'd put your hair in huge
rollers and tie a scarf over the top
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and people go, "She's a model."
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You felt very good about that.
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You weren't paid until six months
after the job.
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You were always anxious
because if you were one minute late,
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they'd take half an hour
off your hourly pay.
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And the photographers
were pretty horrid to us
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because that was their job
to be horrid to us.
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"You look like a pig.
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"Go home until you get
nicer looking."
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It was OK.
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She certainly, I don't think,
did all the stuff that we did.
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In just one year, Twiggy has moved
from the grammar school classroom
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to scale fashion's dizziest heights.
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And then when Twiggy emerged,
I met her and I thought,
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"Oh, my God, she's got this fabulous
Cockney accent."
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Twiggy, want some tea?
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Oh, I'd love you forever
if you made me a cup of tea.
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Which was very unusual
in those days.
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"My dear girl..."
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I don't know if you heard her laugh,
but she has a laugh
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that is like a truck driver's laugh.
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Ha-ha-ha! That's her laugh.
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Aha ha-ha! And it's coming
out of this beautiful girl.
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Oh!
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Oh! It's coming out of me nose.
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Do you feel out of place
because you started
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from ordinary
working-class beginnings?
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No. No. Why should I?
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Being a working-class girl
and me being a working-class guy,
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we had a kind of pretty
straightforward attitude to life.
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And she handled fame, I think,
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in the way that most working-class
people would,
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which was like,
what you saw was what you got.
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I don't think it really matters
what class your family come from.
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If you're good enough in your job,
you know, you make it anyway.
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It was very fashionable suddenly
to be working class.
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I think we can say Twiggy is sort
of a mini queen
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of the new social aristocracy.
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And it's...
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You can't really talk about Twiggy
without putting her
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into the context of the times.
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Running around the streets of
London, Carnaby Street.
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And she really reflected her time.
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She was youthquake personified.
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The swinging youth who have given
staid and sober old London
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its recent swinging metaphor.
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Younger people from a working-class
background
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were getting the opportunities
that they'd never had before
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to become photographers,
directors, writers.
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Fashion, music, art, film
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had a new sort of working-class
voice, really.
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There was a level of rebellion,
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a level of taking ownership
into your own hands
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as to what you want to listen to,
who you want to be,
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how you want to say
who you are through what you wear.
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People were probably feeling
more included for the first time.
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And I think Twiggy
had a huge part to play in that.
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You know, when Twiggy burst onto
the scene,
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models did not look like her.
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She was gamine, she was boyish.
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She was sort of iron-board flat,
as they say.
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Blurring the lines
between male and female.
331
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Having a really generous
understanding of it being OK
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to wear each other's clothes.
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But she brought in this sort of
inner sensuality,
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and she used her body
in really beautiful ways
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that I think spoke instantly
to women,
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as opposed to just
for the pleasure of men.
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I was getting bookings to go
to Paris for the Paris collections.
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Sex, feminin. 41 kilo.
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Twiggy, en francais, Brandy...
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SPEAKS FRENCH
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Yes. Again. A little more of
a smile. Very natural.
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That's it. Twiggy, remember,
you're making your own look.
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That's it. There. Fine.
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She's a very strong example of
the current teenage trend.
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She believes in the clothes
she wears.
346
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She likes the music that is the
fashion at the moment.
347
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And these combined make her
the successful face.
348
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Also, she... she doesn't try
and resemble someone else,
349
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which is the mistake
a lot of current models make
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in trying to look like
Jean Shrimpton.
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The models that really stand out are
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the ones that retain
their personality.
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And they're inherently the ones that
become the most successful -
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because there's an element
of the person
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that you're photographing
in every picture.
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Having watched careers skyrocket,
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they skyrocket because you're
the right person
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at the right moment.
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You know, in the right time
with the kind of right
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either face or attitude,
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or combination of the two.
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After about the first four
or five months,
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when I'd hit the headlines
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and I was in lots of magazines -
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and, you know, the new face,
blah, blah, blah, blah -
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there was this big article in one
of the daily newspapers
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saying that these big four
photographers
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who discovered all the models
were banning me.
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LAUGHTER
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I was banned.
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That they... Because they didn't
discover me.
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Their decision, says David Bailey,
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Britain's highest paid photographer,
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is because she is too amateur
in her approach.
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Declared Bailey: "She's also grossly
unprofessional.
376
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"I had her booked for an evening
recently,
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"and her manager appeared
and said that they
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"were going out to dinner instead."
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00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,576
Montgomery's agent, David Puttnam,
said:
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"The trouble is that
Justin de Villeneuve
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"insists on being in the studio.
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"Models will start bringing
mothers next."
383
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It was also the case that
the photographers
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didn't really like the idea that
this manager figure was there.
385
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They were used to dealing
with agents.
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I remember being on set,
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and we were about to be
photographed,
388
00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:15,416
and there coming through the door
was Twiggy and Justin.
389
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Justin was saying that he insisted
on seeing the photographer,
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to show Twiggy.
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And he said that he
was her manager.
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And I thought, "Ooh, this is smart.
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"This is the way to do it -
have a manager.
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"Oh, how clever of her."
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Prior to Twiggy, no model had
had a manager.
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That was completely unique.
397
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,616
Justin was seen as a
Svengali figure,
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but I actually think in hindsight
really wasn't.
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What he was was a smart opportunist
who saw something special.
400
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,656
Justin, although his name's
Justin de Villeneuve,
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was actually Nigel
something or other.
402
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He created his persona.
403
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,976
Justin de Villeneuve...
De Villeneuve.
404
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,816
..is a very aristocratic name.
405
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,616
It's hardly a working-class name.
406
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,816
We'd come back from
a big job abroad,
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and I would go to Biba and buy
a few dresses
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and he'd go to Savile Row
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00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,576
and order ten Savile Row suits.
LAUGHTER
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I haven't got such a large wardrobe.
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About 30 suits.
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00:23:12,181 --> 00:23:13,776
LAUGHTER
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100 shirts.
Everything OK?
414
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,456
Yeah.
You look very nice.
415
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,976
Do you like the material?
Oh, it's...
416
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,816
What is it?
Er, Worsted.
417
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,976
Have it like that with the stitches,
start a new fashion.
418
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,296
The cars we went through -
419
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E-Type Jags, Lamborghinis,
Rolls-Royces.
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00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,976
You know, I feel that, really,
we're putting on
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a little bit of a show for them.
422
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,136
But you didn't... Don't upstage me.
Don't upstage me.
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00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,637
And, er...
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LAUGHTER
425
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,736
And my dad used to get
really worried.
426
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,800
Understand... I thought he was
overreacting, but he wasn't.
427
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,976
It's taken Twiggy and Justin
a mere month
428
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,536
to translate an idea
429
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,536
into the reality of Twiggy Models.
430
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,416
Now they're producing 15,000 dresses
and suits every week.
431
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,616
They were teenage clothes -
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00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,416
obviously, I was a teenager -
433
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,696
and they were very much designed
around me.
434
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,336
But I had a great input
in the design.
435
00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:12,977
- I like this one.
- LAUGHTER
436
00:24:13,003 --> 00:24:15,496
I like this one. Playsuit and
shorts.
437
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,736
You know, there's... I like
them all, obviously.
438
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,576
You know, they don't go out
if I don't like them.
439
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,976
It was a great joy to me
to go in and spend
440
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,976
the whole day with Paul and Pam,
the designers.
441
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,216
And we'd sit and draw and pick out
fabrics and buttons and...
442
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,776
And I love that creative process.
443
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,336
It's fabulous.
444
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:38,376
But Twiggy is confident of winning
orders worth a million dollars
445
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,400
if she makes her trip to America.
446
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,800
It's all very well to have all that
happen in England.
447
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,760
But most people want to try
and conquer America.
448
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,976
The lady who was the editor
of American Vogue then
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00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,896
was an amazing woman called
Diana Vreeland.
450
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,456
When you were touched by
Diana Vreeland,
451
00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,656
you were anointed.
452
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:00,976
When you were touched by her,
453
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,576
you were touched by the hand of God.
454
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,376
Then, in '67, she brought me over
to America, to New York.
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She put me with these amazing
photographers
456
00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:11,976
who took incredible photographs.
457
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,576
And I was on the cover, and inside
for pages and pages.
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EXCITED CHATTER
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I didn't expect, you know,
when I got to the airport,
460
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,216
there'd be teenage fans
screaming my name,
461
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,416
and going into a press conference
with the American press.
462
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,736
Twiggy! Over here! Twiggy!
463
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,376
"What do you think of New York,
Twiggy?"
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00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,936
"I've just arrived!"
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LAUGHTER
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00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,616
"All I've seen is the runway!"
467
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,656
What do you think of this reception
you're getting here today?
468
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,536
Fantastic. I can't believe it.
469
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LAUGHTER
470
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What do you think about all the
things that have happened to you?
471
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:48,536
You're only 17 years old.
472
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,656
You're making more money
than the Prime Minister.
473
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,336
Am I?
You are.
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LAUGHTER
475
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,736
Oh, you know, it's just...
476
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,176
You know, I like it, obviously.
477
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,256
But, you know, I don't know
why it's happened.
478
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,040
I'm looking forward to going
into the helicopter.
479
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,560
I want to see the Empire State
Building and go to the top.
480
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,296
So I went in to do a modelling job
for American Vogue.
481
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,416
It was going to be a fashion shoot
around New York,
482
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,160
with me at the zoo,
up the Empire State.
483
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,416
What do I think of her?
484
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:25,977
- It'll last...
- INDISTINCT
485
00:26:26,003 --> 00:26:27,816
I don't know, it'll last
a couple of weeks -
486
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,456
like everything else.
487
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,656
And again, another incredible
photographer
488
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,976
called Melvin Sokolsky.
489
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,576
The first day of the shoot
with Melvin,
490
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,696
I was upstairs in this
big department store.
491
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,976
He wanted me coming out in the dress
492
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,096
that we were plugging,
with bags -
493
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:45,576
like I'd been shopping.
494
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,976
And he said, "When you come out
of the front door
495
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,256
"of the department store,
the limo is at the kerb.
496
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,856
"I want you to walk
from the front door
497
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,800
"to the limo," because he said
there's a crowd gathering.
498
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,376
He was trying to disperse them
499
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,496
because he didn't want them
in the shop -
500
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,536
and they wouldn't go.
501
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,040
So he or one of his people
came up with this idea.
502
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,696
He said, "Come back to the studio.
503
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,296
"I'm going to take a load of
headshots of you,
504
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,976
"and we're going to make them
into masks.
505
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,440
"And if people get in the picture,
they're going to wear your face."
506
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,040
It was quite overwhelming.
507
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,336
OK. Don't worry, Twiggy, you won't
go out
508
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:28,576
if it's going to be dangerous.
509
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,456
You've got two elevators.
They've got to go first.
510
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,336
You've got to get in the elevator
first.
511
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:33,976
Can we just film? Don't let them
out yet.
512
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,976
Let the photographer know
that they are coming
513
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,976
before we let them walk out of here.
514
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,456
Like all crowds, you know,
they get very excited.
515
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,656
"Oh, Twiggy! Oh, my God!"
516
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,200
Then they want to touch you.
517
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,696
And as I go through,
518
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,976
I hear one policeman say
to the other,
519
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,176
"We're never going to hold
them back, Joe!"
520
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,376
And I went...
521
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,040
I was so frightened.
522
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,416
The bodyguard they'd hired
to look after me
523
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,136
just picked me up under his arm,
524
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,576
and he ran me through.
525
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,976
And he put me through the window
of the limo.
526
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,416
And I remember laying on
the limo floor, sobbing.
527
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,960
And all my eyelashes had come off
and, yeah, it was scary.
528
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,136
And in the end, the pictures
with the people
529
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,720
with the masks ended up winning them
lots of prizes.
530
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,976
I became, like, celebrity status.
531
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,416
I was on the Johnny Carson Show,
532
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,416
which was the biggest chat show
in America.
533
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,720
And then I was invited to go to LA.
534
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,760
Sonny and Cher threw a party
for me on their lawn.
535
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,856
And they were two of the biggest
stars in America.
536
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,496
And meeting people like
Clint Eastwood
537
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,576
and Steve McQueen and...
538
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,920
I mean, again, it was
quite surreal, really.
539
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,896
And what was extraordinary - you
know, there was me, you know, I was
540
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,416
17 and a half or whatever,
mixing in the world of adult...
541
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:19,136
I mean, anyone over 21
seemed quite old.
542
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,856
Is this Beverly Hills we're at now?
543
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,416
No, Encino.
544
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,256
Where's Beverly Hills?
545
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,136
The other side of that hill.
546
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,696
I was thrown into a world that I
knew nothing about, you know?
547
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,776
Hey, did you see...?
548
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,656
Yeah, I loved that...
549
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,536
OVERLAPPING VOICES
550
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,136
Isn't it amazing, when you think
about it, in this day and age?
551
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,336
And I did feel a little
out of my depth.
552
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,976
But on the other hand, you know,
I was being so looked after.
553
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,416
Says they're number two.
554
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,976
We can't argue with that.
555
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,976
I think he protected her.
556
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,976
At that very vulnerable age,
557
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,456
a teenage girl,
558
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,696
to then be on television
every minute -
559
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,976
and in the newspapers
and in magazines.
560
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,576
Walk down the street and everybody
knows who you are.
561
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,040
And in those days, nobody asked
how you felt.
562
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,296
I was offered by a big company
in Japan
563
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,840
to go over there and do some
modelling.
564
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,496
Got off the plane.
565
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,976
It seemed like hundreds -
it probably wasn't -
566
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,736
and they all came rushing at me,
567
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,456
shouting at me in Japanese,
568
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,216
and I just burst into tears.
569
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,536
So all the front of the papers
the papers the next day
570
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,040
was me crying.
571
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,416
The actuality of being famous
is odd and strange,
572
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,536
and for that to be thrust
into your life
573
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,256
when you're still figuring out
who you are,
574
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,976
I don't think you can really
ever prepare
575
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,336
for something so ridiculous.
576
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,576
Hello!
577
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,936
Because I went literally overnight
578
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,536
from being kind of quite a shy,
579
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,936
introspective schoolgirl...
580
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,976
You'd like to speak to Twiggy?
581
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,696
Well, she's feeding the ducks
at the moment, love.
582
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,616
..to being known virtually
all around the world.
583
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,976
LAUGHTER
584
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,800
So it was a bit peculiar.
585
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,496
He'll be all right, Twig.
586
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,976
We'll put it... We'll put it in a
box and we'll take it with us.
587
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,136
Put it in the box.
I haven't got a box.
588
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,296
And they'll look after it.
589
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,216
We'll pay the man to look
after it...
590
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:34,336
I've never been a very, you know,
big extrovert.
591
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,336
The thought of entering a big room
with loads of people
592
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,800
makes my stomach turn over
to this day.
593
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,656
The loss of being able to have
594
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,096
any type of anonymity
can be a real shock.
595
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,736
A lot of the publicity
seems to suggest
596
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,616
you're rather sort of a sexless
sort of girl.
597
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,376
Looks - is it a boy, is it a girl?
598
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,817
- No, it's Twiggy.
- LAUGHTER
599
00:31:53,841 --> 00:31:56,176
How do you feel about that? Do you
mind about that? I don't mind, no.
600
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,136
It's a tough industry to be in
at such a young age.
601
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,336
What are your statistics now?
602
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,976
31, 23, 32.
603
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,256
Constantly being picked apart
and being judged on how you look.
604
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,976
What's your weight?
605
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,976
She would do TV chat shows,
606
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,976
and I always thought it was so rude
607
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,176
that the interviewer would comment
on her weight.
608
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,616
What do you both think that Twiggy
would be doing now
609
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,976
if she, let's say, gained 25lbs?
610
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,817
- Call her Trunky.
- LAUGHTER
611
00:32:24,843 --> 00:32:26,176
What?
Trunky.
612
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,136
But the fashion writers tell us
that the bosom is back.
613
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,976
Do you feel perhaps you
can't compete?
614
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,576
But the bosom's never been out,
really.
615
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,376
I got knocked down for being
too thin
616
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,976
and flat-chested and...
617
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,656
But, you know, that's what
I look like.
618
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,216
Do you control your diet
in order to stay thin?
619
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,976
No, I...
You eat anything you want?
620
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,696
And then I got the whole thing
about being blamed
621
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,376
for being too thin
622
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,296
and encouraging girls not to eat.
623
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,856
But they report that many
German schoolgirls
624
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,576
gave up eating breakfast and lunch
625
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,576
in the hopes of thinning down
to Twiggy dimensions.
626
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,456
So I used to always come out
and say,
627
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,016
"Look, you know, I don't diet.
628
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,896
"I'd love to put on a little bit
of weight."
629
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,296
You know, I was just young.
I was young and, you know, skinny.
630
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,736
I'll just bring you a cup of tea.
Any sauce?
631
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,496
What do you want, ordinary or...?
Hot sauce.
632
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,976
Everybody all of a sudden
has an idea
633
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,736
that they know you physically better
than you do.
634
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,216
Got any pictures on the beach? No.
In the bikini?
635
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,976
I'd like to see that.
636
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,616
Oh, it just makes me so mad.
637
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,976
It just makes me so mad.
638
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,296
Have you discovered what men think
of this? The men you know?
639
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,576
They hate it.
Oh, have we ever!
640
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:34,976
What do they say?
641
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,736
"That is THE most obnoxious haircut
I have ever seen in my whole life."
642
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,976
In other words, you dress
for each other
643
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,320
rather than for men?
Yeah.
644
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,256
Bert Stern was doing
this documentary on me,
645
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,976
and he said,
"I've got this mate.
646
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,976
"He's a young and
upcoming comedian."
647
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,976
I mean, he wasn't the famous
Woody Allen that he became.
648
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,536
He said, "I want to put you
in a studio
649
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,376
"and he'll interview you."
650
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,816
Take three. Slate.
651
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,256
He's great, huh?
652
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,296
He's better than an actual slate.
653
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,096
LAUGHTER
654
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,320
What are your views
on serious matters?
655
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,760
Like what? I don't know, who's your
favourite philosopher?
656
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,576
I haven't got one. I don't know any.
657
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,655
Every time I think about it,
I can remember the feeling
658
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,856
and my knees going weak,
and my tummy going over.
659
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,336
Do you get a chance...? I bet you
get a chance to read much,
660
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,256
being a model.
661
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,456
Read what, books?
662
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,976
Oh, you know, the great literature.
663
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,576
It's just so - I have to curse -
664
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:41,976
fucking typical!
665
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,215
I'm sorry. It is so patronising.
666
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,856
This need to make inferior.
667
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,376
I remember, because I'm sitting
on my hands.
668
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,376
And I remember clenching
my thighs together
669
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,416
and thinking, "Don't cry."
670
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,576
I felt really embarrassed.
671
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,616
To try to catch her out.
672
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,976
What 15-year-old can tell you who
their favourite philosopher is?
673
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,696
Then, in my panic,
674
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:09,880
my inner panic, I said to him...
675
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,376
..who's yours?
676
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,976
Oh, I... You know, I like...
677
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,256
I like them all.
Who?
678
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,856
All your basic philosophers.
Who?
679
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,056
Just all of them.
680
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,976
I don't know their names, though.
What are their names?
681
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,296
Oh, there's a host of them.
682
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,976
LAUGHTER
683
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,976
I like your Greeks, your Germans,
your...
684
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,576
Your enlightened philosophers,
your eclectics.
685
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,536
And he went, "Oh, your Greeks
and your Romans."
686
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,456
And I said, "Yeah, but what
are their names?"
687
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,976
I don't know their names, though.
What are their names?
688
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,600
Oh...
689
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,656
I got a call to say that
Vogue wanted to do
690
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,296
a photograph of myself
and David Bowie,
691
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,576
which I was thrilled about.
692
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,976
I mean, you've got to remember,
at that period he was huge.
693
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,616
Your name is a lyric
in one of the songs.
694
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,720
Yeah.
695
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,600
It was a song called
Drive-In Saturday.
696
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,920
? Let me put my arms
around your head
697
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,480
? Gee, it's hot,
let's go to bed... ?
698
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,256
And I was at home and it
came on the radio.
699
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,776
? His name was always Buddy
700
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,976
? And he'd shrug and ask to stay
701
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,416
? She'd sigh like Twig
the Wonder Kid... ?
702
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,577
- NEEDLE SCRATCH
- Oh, my God!
703
00:36:27,603 --> 00:36:30,616
David Bowie just sang my name
in a song!
704
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,376
And I can remember running
to the record shop,
705
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,816
and I didn't know the name
of the song.
706
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,656
I think I kind of sang
a bit of the chorus,
707
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,520
and he said, "Oh, that's
Drive-In Saturday."
708
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,376
And we flew to Paris to do
the photograph,
709
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,736
because Bowie was recording there.
710
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,976
He was such a lovely guy.
711
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,640
So open, so friendly, so bright.
712
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,976
I think the photograph is
713
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,816
a marvellous photograph, actually.
714
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,976
And I love the make-up we had on.
715
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,256
And that was done because I had
a suntan at the time
716
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,000
and he was very, very pale.
717
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,336
? And she'd sigh like
Twig the Wonder Kid
718
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,440
? And turn her face away
719
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,016
? She's uncertain if she likes him
720
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,040
? But she knows she really
loves him... ?
721
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,160
Completely inspirational.
722
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,040
Wow, I remember when Ken Russell
first showed me these films.
723
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,376
And I just fell instantly in love
724
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,976
with Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers.
725
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,040
And, you know, nobody
danced quite like them.
726
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,640
I'd never even thought of acting
or doing anything like that.
727
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:07,560
But then I met Ken Russell.
728
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,656
And he asked to see me
about this project
729
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,296
that actually never happened.
730
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,576
But I became good friends
with him and his wife,
731
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,696
Shirley, who did all the designing
of the clothes for all his films.
732
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:23,456
And you've got to remember,
in that period,
733
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,976
Ken Russell was the biggest director
in England.
734
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,040
He became my mentor, really.
735
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,776
In 1968, there was a new production
of the stage play,
736
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,536
the musical The Boy Friend,
and I'd gone to see it.
737
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,616
The next night, I was having dinner
with Ken and Shirley,
738
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,296
and I was just going on and on.
I loved it. It was brilliant.
739
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,376
And at the end of the evening,
740
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,176
after quite a few glasses
of champagne, he suddenly said,
741
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,976
"Yeah, I've always wanted
to do a musical.
742
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,656
"Let's do a musical
of The Boy Friend.
743
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,616
"And you can play Polly Browne,"
which is the lead girl.
744
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,136
"And it'd be so much fun!
What do you think?"
745
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,576
And I thought, "Oh, he's just had
a lot of champagne.
746
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,736
"He'll forget about this
in the morning."
747
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,976
And he rang me the next day, sober,
and said, "What do you think?"
748
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,216
And I said, "Oh, my goodness.
I don't know."
749
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,976
You know, I'd never acted before.
750
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,696
Ken loved the idea, and Justin
wanted me to do it and I wanted
751
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,736
to do it. But when he went to the
film company who owned it, you know,
752
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,256
they said, "Oh, great," you know?
753
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,496
"Ken Russell, smashing.
But we don't want her."
754
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,536
It was like that. Because I don't
blame him. I mean, I was a model.
755
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,416
They didn't know if I
could do it or not.
756
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,176
And Ken really fought for me
for, you know, a few months.
757
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,416
And he really... He could've gone
with somebody else.
758
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,376
But he didn't, he fought
and got me.
759
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,976
Which was funny, because when
we got the deal,
760
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,336
we had dinner, celebrating,
and he said,
761
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,976
"Can you sing and dance?"
I said, "No."
762
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,136
He said, "Well, you'd better go
and learn."
763
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,536
Very few performers I can think of,
or actors,
764
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,256
go into their first film
as the lead.
765
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,976
Julie Andrews in Mary Poppins,
766
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,656
Barbra Streisand in Funny Girl,
767
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,256
and there's Twiggy
in The Boy Friend.
768
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,520
So she's in excellent company
in that respect.
769
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,776
Come along, folks, what's happening?
770
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,976
Action!
771
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,056
? To have
We plot to have... ?
772
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,976
Ken was the most
perfectionist director
773
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,296
I've ever worked with.
774
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,536
And if you didn't give 101%
775
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,296
all the time,
776
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,976
Ken would really lose his rag.
777
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,696
? We scheme about, and dream about
778
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:29,296
? And we've been known... ?
No, more this way, Twiggy!
779
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,096
? We sigh for him
And cry for him
780
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,416
? And we would gladly die for him
781
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,536
? That certain thing called
the boyfriend. ?
782
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,976
I find her a very unique person.
783
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,256
Take one.
784
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,736
Thank you.
785
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,176
Of all the people I've worked with,
786
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,616
she comes nearer than anything
to perfection
787
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,176
in someone I've ever met.
788
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,216
This is a simple, honest truth.
789
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:56,576
She seems totally truthful.
790
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,416
She can't do a false thing
against anyone.
791
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,256
That doesn't mean to say she's
insipid and terrible.
792
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,176
She's got a mind of her own,
very good imagination,
793
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,040
and she is like
a rejuvenating force.
794
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,336
Very nervous when we
started filming,
795
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,496
but all the cast
were wonderful to me
796
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,296
and kind of took me
under their wing.
797
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,976
And I made some really good friends
from that film.
798
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,320
And Ken was amazing.
799
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,976
They'd been rehearsing a while,
800
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,976
and I was the last one to be cast.
801
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,976
And I walked in and Twiggy
was in the arms
802
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,656
of Christopher Gable, dancing.
803
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,080
I was struck dumb.
804
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,256
I was amazed that she was doing it,
805
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,976
because I'd been studying dancing
since I was five years old.
806
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,976
And so, you know, I was doing
what comes naturally.
807
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,576
And Christopher Gable
was a ballet star,
808
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,296
and the rest of the cast
were dancers,
809
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,320
and Twiggy was the newcomer.
810
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,856
We struck up a great relationship,
811
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,800
and she made me laugh a lot.
812
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,976
And I think that Twigs will have
learnt a huge amount
813
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,656
by working with Ken Russell.
814
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,040
Massive amount.
815
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,040
What an education!
816
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,616
Ken took the risk
817
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,136
to have this raw material,
if you like,
818
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,976
that he'd acquired - Twiggy -
819
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,640
and turn it into
something breathtaking.
820
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,720
I think that this is a girl who...
821
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,856
Maybe it's her background,
I don't know, but she was open.
822
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,136
Just open to anything that came.
823
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,680
And she made the most of it.
824
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,576
I always say to people, it was like
finding the Secret Garden.
825
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,976
It was like, "Oh, my God,
this is amazing!"
826
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,176
It was a wonderful,
wonderful experience.
827
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,736
Very amazing learning experience.
828
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,576
And from that day on, when I was in
the middle of filming, I thought,
829
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,200
"This is what I want to do."
830
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,736
Ken's vision of effectively
framing it -
831
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,976
a play within a play, a show within
a show -
832
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,816
was brilliant because it showcased
those great numbers
833
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,656
in the score, as these grandiose,
you know, flamboyant
834
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:34,976
and overly produced...
835
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,736
All the traits that you would
somewhat expect in an iconic film.
836
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,336
To see her be able to be
multi-dimensional
837
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,816
and still have the acting
come through...
838
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,736
Do you know what I mean? To be
quirky and funny and vulnerable
839
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,840
and all of that, and still do that
in an environment of musicality?
840
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,096
She's such a spirit,
841
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,296
and so unbelievably talented
as an actor.
842
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,656
I thought Twigs in The Boy Friend
was enchanting.
843
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,496
There was something so open
about her.
844
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,456
She doesn't have artifice.
845
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,976
She doesn't play games.
846
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,336
She works hard and tries her hardest
and does it and gives it to you.
847
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:12,536
She's a great...
848
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,520
She's a generous soul and she's
a generous performer.
849
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,976
When the film came out,
850
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,696
I got nominated for two
Golden Globe Awards,
851
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:28,336
which was very nice.
852
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,456
And then, lo and behold,
I won them.
853
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,296
I won one for
Most Promising Newcomer
854
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,720
and one for Best Actress
in a Musical/Comedy.
855
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,456
I'm very proud of them
856
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,400
and, er, they sit on my mantelpiece.
LAUGHTER
857
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,096
She was just THE leading model
three years ago,
858
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,216
and now she's come zooming back
to glory again
859
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:56,456
in the movie The Boy Friend.
860
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,976
And the reviews are just fantastic
of her performance in that.
861
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,416
Will you welcome Twiggy and Justin?
862
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,896
I was on a roll.
I was loving my life.
863
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,536
I was travelling and
meeting amazing people.
864
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,416
"Twiggy is sublime," says one.
865
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,096
"Lovely, endearing, exquisite."
866
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,816
That's delicious, isn't it?
I can't believe it.
867
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,216
Justin or "Joostin", do you like?
868
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,056
"Justan" de Villeneuve.
Justan?
869
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,976
Yeah, Justin. No, Justin.
Justin.
870
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,776
Just in time. You heard...
871
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,096
It was all falling apart then,
872
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,176
because he...
873
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:33,800
I think he was probably feeling that
I was separating myself from him.
874
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,536
We were around at the time that she
was offered the job with Ken Russell
875
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,776
to do The Boy Friend,
and I remember...
876
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,816
I remember Justin, I think he was
very, very nervous of her going into
877
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,656
the movie, because he was suddenly
dealing with people who were
878
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,600
a different
professional level from him.
879
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,856
And also, he was...
880
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,976
I don't know what went on, but he
was being too pushy with Ken
881
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,976
and Ken banned him from the set,
882
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,280
which was actually kind of
a relief for me.
883
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,096
Justin had his ideas
about the movie,
884
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,976
what the movie should be,
and there was no place for that.
885
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,176
Ken Russell was... You know,
he was the director.
886
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,976
Justin, I would say, was maybe -
I hope I'm not being mean -
887
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,656
was in way out of his depth.
888
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,256
Twiggy became a little bit phoney
889
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,536
because she was bored with fashion.
890
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,496
Being a model wasn't sufficient.
891
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,456
So, when she stopped,
it wasn't to do a film,
892
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,976
it was just to stop doing that.
893
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,336
Because we felt that everyone
would be bored with her.
894
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,896
And we knew that in the last
sort of three years -
895
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,976
the last year, obviously,
we've been doing the film -
896
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,976
the last three years that people
would say, "Oh, Twiggy's finished."
897
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,376
We were aware that would happen.
898
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,720
"She's a has-been." Which we,
you know, can take that.
899
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,096
I think quite early on,
900
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,376
Justin panicked at the
loss of control,
901
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,560
because he saw the loss of control
as inevitable.
902
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,376
And trying to work out
how this could last,
903
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,976
I think he thought it
was a phenomenon.
904
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,976
Whereas actually, when you
think about it,
905
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,296
Twiggy wasn't a phenomenon.
906
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,616
She was something that was very
grounded, very real.
907
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,976
The balance wasn't even.
908
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,576
Twiggy was the star.
909
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,656
They had, you know, this amazing
relationship going.
910
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,976
But I wouldn't call
that a partnership.
911
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,336
I think a partnership has to come
with both feeling
912
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,240
who they are within the team.
913
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,216
You... Er, you two are engaged now?
914
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:32,256
"Officially," it says.
Is that true?
915
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,536
Yes, sort of.
Sort of.
916
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,217
- Sort of officially?
- LAUGHTER
917
00:47:35,243 --> 00:47:37,416
He was, you know, often asking
to get married.
918
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,816
But I thought I was too young,
which I was. I was a teenager.
919
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,976
I don't really want to get
married young, that's all.
920
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,336
I'd get married. It's Twiggy that
doesn't want to get married.
921
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,976
I'll get married one day.
Sorry to do that.
922
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,337
- LAUGHTER
- Really?
923
00:47:48,361 --> 00:47:50,016
Oh, I'd get married.
You'd get married now?
924
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,776
Yeah.
But Twiggy wants to wait?
925
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:57,256
And I think, like most
teenage relationships,
926
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,976
you kind of grow out of each other.
927
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,896
And I think that's kind of
what happened.
928
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,456
Do you ever have rows?
Oh, yeah.
929
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,256
Good rows? I mean, good, healthy
rows or quick rows?
930
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,816
Quick ones.
Well, I usually end up crying.
931
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,976
And that signifies the end of
the row, does it?
932
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,496
Cos I'd been so protected,
933
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,976
you know, from the ages of 15 to 20,
934
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,160
you know, I'd lived in almost,
like, a bird cage.
935
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,056
You know, I didn't go out,
936
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,976
I didn't hang out with my friends,
937
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,416
I didn't...
938
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,280
Because what happened to me
happened, I worked.
939
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,616
And I was either, you know, at home
with Mum and Dad and my sisters,
940
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,816
or travelling with Justin.
941
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,536
You know, I don't think I was...
942
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,376
I wasn't really in love.
943
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,456
I was too young, I think.
944
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,496
It was probably infatuation
in the beginning.
945
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,736
And then, you know,
many years later, one finds out.
946
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:56,976
I didn't know at the time,
947
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,040
but I think he was philandering
a little bit and...
948
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,480
Anyway, very complicated.
949
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,776
You know, without going into detail,
it wasn't a happy time.
950
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,536
And in the end, you know,
I broke it off
951
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:14,800
one way or the other.
952
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:23,696
Twiggy rose effortlessly to fame
in the trendy '60s,
953
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:27,456
and within a year she was the most
sought after model in the world.
954
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,656
But at the peak of her brief
modelling career,
955
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:30,976
Twiggy retired.
Hello, it's me.
956
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,976
Now, at 22, comes a carefully
planned breakthrough into films.
957
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,040
I was then offered a movie called W.
958
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,896
Directed by a lovely American
director called Richard Quine.
959
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,776
Has he told you who your
leading man is yet?
960
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,376
No, I want to know.
Tell her, man.
961
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,816
I want to know.
Michael Witney.
962
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,976
W-I-T-N-E-Y.
963
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,656
Michael Witney. And he's done
seven pilots, Merv,
964
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,976
and not one of them has sold.
Mm. Oh.
965
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,776
And he's the leading man
on every one of them.
966
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,696
And we looked at him and said,
"It's impossible.
967
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,416
"This man has just got to make it."
968
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,096
Hello, my wife on line two.
How are you?
969
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,496
I think it took about three months
to shoot in LA,
970
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:12,976
so that was nice.
971
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,976
And that's when I kind of realised
972
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,136
that there were other people
in the world,
973
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,360
and I kind of got a big crush
on Michael.
974
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,456
My mum always says it was
love at first sight,
975
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,576
which is so cute to hear about,
you know,
976
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,136
how your mum and dad met.
977
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,400
It's nice to...
978
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,976
..have it on film when they,
you know, first fell in love.
979
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,616
It's quite cute.
980
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,336
Another extraordinary thing, too,
about you,
981
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,656
I mean, you had no formal training
as an actress... No.
982
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,976
..did you, at all?
983
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,336
But, I mean, the film I did last,
which was, you know,
984
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,976
a total failure, W, was just
not a very good film.
985
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,176
But I loved doing it
and I learned a lot.
986
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,776
I don't think she takes herself
too seriously.
987
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,336
You know what I mean?
988
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,976
But do you want to be a star?
A movie star?
989
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,416
Er, I love doing films.
Yeah, I love it. Yeah.
990
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,176
I don't know about being a star,
though.
991
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,856
It's just good fun, making a film.
992
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,296
She lives to be alive
and not to be successful.
993
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,776
And to be... And to connect.
994
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,240
She's rare.
995
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,616
Moving to LA kind of gave me a bit
of a break and some freedom.
996
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,800
It was very different
than living in the UK.
997
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,240
This was a new chapter for me.
998
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:33,976
What's interesting about
girls growing up
999
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,136
is that sometimes they do reflect
the man that they're with.
1000
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,216
And when Twiggy and Justin
were together,
1001
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:43,280
she was his little girl, you know?
1002
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,256
And then, when she met Michael,
1003
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:51,400
she seemed to blossom and grow
and become more of a woman.
1004
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,256
I think, when I met Michael,
it was actually the first
1005
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,440
I fell head over heels
in love with somebody.
1006
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,376
And the first few years together
in California were amazing,
1007
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,480
and we had a great life.
1008
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,520
And a new career opened up
by being in Los Angeles.
1009
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,136
? Never had a bad dream, baby
1010
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,656
? I didn't share with you
1011
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,096
? Seems like a good time dream
1012
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,496
? All a-comin' true
1013
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,856
? All a-comin' true, sweet babe
1014
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,856
? Keep a-comin' true
1015
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,536
? In spite of anything I say
1016
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,336
? No matter what I do... ?
1017
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,976
Cos of my doing The Boy Friend,
it opened up more doors.
1018
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,176
And because it was a musical,
1019
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,216
I got offered a recording deal -
1020
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:43,880
which led to me doing my first
proper album.
1021
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,536
? Here I go again
1022
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,496
? Off down the road again
1023
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,416
? Thinking thoughts
1024
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,136
? Days gone by
1025
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,416
? Here I am again
1026
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,896
? Singing my songs again... ?
1027
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,856
You know, I think it's important
to remember that
1028
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,016
at that period of time,
1029
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,416
that period of music making
and record making,
1030
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,976
there was no autotune,
no fixing things.
1031
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,896
You know, you had to be able
to do it. And she can do it.
1032
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:16,456
? Swirls of giant colours swam
madly through my head
1033
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,976
? I looked around to find you... ?
1034
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,056
I did a big concert tour in England
1035
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,416
and ended up at the Albert Hall,
which is pretty scary.
1036
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,256
And I filled it as well,
but it was scary.
1037
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,696
? If morning's echoes
says we've sinned
1038
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:36,040
? Well, it was what I wanted now
1039
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:43,680
? And if we're victims of the night
1040
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,280
? I won't be blinded by the light
1041
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,976
? Just call me angel of the morning
1042
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,976
? Angel
1043
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,576
? Just touch my cheek
before you leave me
1044
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,416
? Baby
1045
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,256
? Just call me angel of the morning
1046
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,040
? Angel... ?
1047
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,576
I got offered a TV series -
a variety series.
1048
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,616
We filmed one every week,
so you'd rehearse,
1049
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,216
you know, on the Monday,
Tuesday, Wednesday,
1050
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:20,976
and then you'd go into the studio
and record.
1051
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,176
? When will the day be?
1052
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,576
? The big day may be tonight. ?
1053
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,056
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
1054
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,656
Ginger La Rue!
1055
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,576
And because of my knowledge
1056
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,536
that I'd soaked up from Ken,
1057
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,976
and he'd introduced me to all
these amazing singers
1058
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,696
from the '20s and '30s,
1059
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:42,656
we did lots of those songs
on my show and I loved it.
1060
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,416
? We were kids from a small street
1061
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,536
? We did very well on Wall Street
1062
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:53,256
? Though I never owned
a share of stock... ?
1063
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,976
Every week, I'd have
on a special guest.
1064
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,136
Hi, chicks.
David Essex.
1065
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,776
Well, well. Look what's
just dropped out
1066
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,496
of a cornflake package.
Can I join you?
1067
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,336
I really wanted to have
Bryan Ferry on
1068
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,536
because I was a huge
fan of Roxy Music,
1069
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,696
and the director, for some reason,
decided it'd be fun to do it,
1070
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:13,136
we were like school kids.
1071
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,160
? Don't know much about
science books
1072
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:20,200
? Don't know much about
the French I took
1073
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,080
? But I do know that I love you
1074
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,096
? And I know that if
you love me, too
1075
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,536
? What a wonderful world
this would be... ?
1076
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,496
Somebody showed it to me about a
year ago, and it's very sweet.
1077
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,696
What's frightening -
we both look so young!
1078
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:40,680
But then we were, I suppose!
1079
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:43,976
That's me and Bing Crosby.
Aw!
1080
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,496
And I got to sing with him!
Amazing.
1081
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,536
Have Yourself A Merry Little
Christmas. I was very nervous.
1082
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,960
? Have yourself
a merry little Christmas
1083
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,336
? Let your heart be light... ?
1084
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,976
Usually for TV - well, often -
1085
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,056
they record it and you lip-sync.
1086
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,536
But Bing refused to lip-sync.
1087
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:05,976
He liked singing live.
1088
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,040
So we had to sing it live.
1089
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,976
? Have yourself a
merry little Christmas
1090
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,256
? Make the Yuletide gay... ?
1091
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:19,976
We shot it in the September.
1092
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,656
Then he went off to play golf
in Spain,
1093
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,736
and that's when he had his
massive heart attack and died.
1094
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,336
? Here we are, as in olden days
1095
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,880
? Happy golden days of yore
1096
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,616
? Faithful friends... ?
1097
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,776
So when that Christmas show
went out, he wasn't around.
1098
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,976
? So have yourself
1099
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:47,336
? A merry little Christmas
1100
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,976
? Now. ?
1101
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,240
I'm very proud of that.
1102
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,856
A producer friend of mine
introduced me to Spector,
1103
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,976
one of the biggest record producers
of that period.
1104
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,176
He invited me to go up to his house
in the Hollywood Hills.
1105
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,976
Well, it was more than a house,
it was a huge Spanish mansion.
1106
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,776
Luckily, Michael was with me.
1107
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,736
I rang the doorbell.
I was a bit nervous.
1108
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,416
And the door opened
1109
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,976
and this kind of big bruiser guy
with, you know,
1110
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,656
a broken nose and everything went,
1111
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,976
"Oh, hello, Twigs. How are you?"
And he was from London.
1112
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,496
And he took us through.
1113
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:30,736
And it was all very dark,
1114
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,520
all the windows were covered
with curtains.
1115
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,656
He showed us into this
amazing drawing room.
1116
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,376
And we waited and we waited
and we waited.
1117
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,976
And we were there for
probably over an hour -
1118
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,376
until, you know, Michael said,
"I don't think he's coming.
1119
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,616
"I think we should go."
1120
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,456
And then, over the loudspeaker
system...
1121
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,536
LAUGHTER
1122
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,736
..came this kind of
maniacal voice, saying,
1123
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,976
"Ah-ha-ha! I'm not going
to call you Twiggy.
1124
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,376
"Ah-ha-ha!
1125
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,976
"I'm not going to call you Twiggy."
1126
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,656
And the door in the far corner
of the room opened
1127
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,040
and Phil Spector appeared.
1128
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,536
He came over, and I said,
1129
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,496
"Hello, it's lovely to meet you."
1130
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,616
He kept saying, "I'm not
going to call you Twiggy."
1131
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,336
And I said, "Well, that's fine,
that's..."
1132
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,136
And then he got out
a pack of cigarettes,
1133
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,976
and he took two out
1134
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,296
and put them both in his mouth
and lit...
1135
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,176
I mean, it was really peculiar.
1136
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,040
So he had these two cigarettes
sticking out of his mouth.
1137
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,536
I tried to keep the conversation
going as normally as possible,
1138
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,296
and then he kind of
walked across the room.
1139
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,856
And as he turned,
1140
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,536
he went into his jacket
and he pulled out a handgun.
1141
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,976
I was like, "Oh, my God!"
1142
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,856
And Michael just grabbed me,
1143
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,976
and we managed to run out
1144
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,976
and we heard one gunshot go off.
1145
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,976
And I was absolutely hysterical.
1146
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,936
We got out of the house
and in the car,
1147
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,560
and I cried all the way home.
1148
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,776
Knowing what happened later,
1149
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,040
I feel very lucky that we got out.
1150
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,976
My career was still blossoming.
1151
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,216
I was working in LA and in London.
1152
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,976
Michael was struggling a bit,
1153
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,416
but he landed a big beer commercial
playing a cowboy,
1154
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,040
and it was shot in the desert
in Nevada.
1155
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,296
Michael went out with the boys
on the commercial
1156
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,656
and got very drunk one night,
1157
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,656
and that's the first time I'd
kind of seen that other side.
1158
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,416
Er...
1159
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,496
It was... I didn't really
worry about it
1160
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,616
because I just thought
it was a one-off.
1161
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,976
But I think it was probably
a warning sign
1162
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,776
that I didn't kind of pick up on.
1163
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:00,096
Because when you're in love
with somebody, you kind of think,
1164
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,200
"Oh, well, it won't happen again."
1165
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,416
Do you foresee the day when
you're going to get married?
1166
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,256
I mean, do you want to get married?
Oh, yeah. Mm. Very much.
1167
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,416
I'd like to have children.
You would? Mm.
1168
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,896
Not outside of a married
relationship? Not really.
1169
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,816
I mean, I'm not... I'm not all for,
"Oh, you must get married."
1170
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,336
I think it's up to people.
For me, I'd like to be married
1171
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,920
when I have children,
but that's just my personal view.
1172
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,896
I was 28 when we got married,
1173
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,496
which, actually, in those days
was quite late to get married.
1174
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,016
I wanted to get married. I thought
it would be a nice thing to do.
1175
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,016
I knew Mum and Dad would like it,
although I think Dad, certainly,
1176
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,456
was slightly worried
about Michael's problem.
1177
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,496
But he would promise me
that it wouldn't happen again.
1178
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,336
And it didn't, often,
for months and months and months.
1179
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,496
So, rightly or wrongly, we went...
1180
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,256
But I'm... You know, I'm glad we
did, because then I got pregnant
1181
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,760
with my gorgeous Carly.
1182
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,256
And then your life
changes completely
1183
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,016
because, suddenly, you give birth
to a little creature
1184
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,040
who you love more than anything
you can imagine you can love.
1185
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:14,736
You are their protector
and their everything,
1186
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,016
and my bond with my daughter is...
1187
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,656
..amazing.
1188
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,520
And, you know...
1189
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,360
..I just thank...
thank everybody that I had her.
1190
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,416
Motherhood's suiting you.
Oh, thank you.
1191
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,016
Are you enjoying it?
Yeah. It's hard work.
1192
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,656
I think all mothers are amazing,
I really do.
1193
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,016
I can see why there's
a Mother's Day now.
1194
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,496
LAUGHTER
1195
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,016
Motherhood is a huge adjustment,
1196
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:53,440
and to be working and have a child
is just complicated.
1197
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,656
She's very contemporary because
it mustn't have been easy then.
1198
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,016
It's not even easy now.
1199
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,496
A fashion legend before she was 20,
she has since appeared in films
1200
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,096
and sung and danced her way
through her own TV series,
1201
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,096
and now, just into her third decade,
she's about to try her hand
1202
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,416
at yet another career -
that of a serious actress.
1203
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,376
My guest is Twiggy!
1204
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,080
APPLAUSE
1205
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,736
Every actor or actress
has got a favourite thing
1206
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,176
that they've done
or that they're proud of,
1207
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:35,016
and one of mine, certainly, is
the television version of Pygmalion.
1208
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,496
It was a lot of work, but it was...
1209
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,856
Hard work never hurt anyone,
my mum always said.
1210
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,816
She's no use. I've got all the
records I want
1211
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,976
of the Lisson Grove lingo.
I'm not going to waste
1212
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,496
another cylinder on it.
Be off with you. I don't want you.
1213
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,016
At the beginning of the play,
it explains that she comes
1214
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,256
from Lisson Grove,
which is in north-west London.
1215
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,656
And I'm from north-west London,
so I thought,
1216
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,656
I've got that accent down.
That's just me.
1217
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,136
A bit rougher.
1218
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,416
Well, if my money's not good enough,
I can go elsewhere.
1219
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,296
You were doing it totally in reverse
from the normal actress.
1220
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,656
That's the way Eliza was written,
actually. Yeah.
1221
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,016
But you have to learn how to unpick
the accent, don't you? Oh, yes. Yes.
1222
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,016
Never mind going, "Yes, yes."
What did you do? Did you...
1223
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,496
LAUGHTER
1224
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,496
How did you learn how to talk posh?
It's hard. I'll bet. It's hard.
1225
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,096
Is it? It nearly killed me.
1226
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,760
Miss Doolittle? Here she is, Mother.
1227
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:30,256
The whole show was predicated on
the fact of waiting for that moment.
1228
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,016
Can she do it?
Can she speak with a posh accent?
1229
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,656
POSH ACCENT: How do
you do, Mrs Higgins?
1230
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,816
Mr Higgins told me I might come.
1231
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,976
And, gloriously,
of course she could.
1232
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,016
My aunt died of influenza,
so they said,
1233
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,976
but it's my belief
they done the old woman in.
1234
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,736
Done her in?
1235
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,936
I mean, we had some great times
teaching her.
1236
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,896
I was thrilled to be offered it
because, you know,
1237
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,016
it's one of the great acting roles
for a woman, really - a young woman.
1238
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,736
And the winner is... Tommy Tune.
CHEERING
1239
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,656
Tommy became probably
one of the most successful
1240
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,520
musical theatre directors
on Broadway.
1241
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,736
In the back of my mind,
I always had this show
1242
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,736
that I wanted to do with Twiggy,
and so I called her and I said,
1243
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:23,016
"Could I talk you into coming to
New York and being in a musical?"
1244
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,496
I said,
"Oh, when do we start filming?
1245
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,496
And he said, "No, no, no, no, no.
It's going to be on Broadway."
1246
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,736
And I said, "Oh, my God, I can't do
that!" And he said, "There's no such
1247
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,320
"word as can't. Pack your bag
and get out to New York."
1248
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,720
They just uprooted their life and
came to Broadway to make this show.
1249
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:46,256
We were kind of like the same body.
She was a twig and I was a stick.
1250
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:50,040
We were just bones on elastic.
1251
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,656
It was how they were so opposite
and really interacted together
1252
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,680
that fused their partnership.
1253
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,656
We did a couple of numbers
that lasted ten minutes,
1254
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,296
and that's a lot of dancing,
and she did it.
1255
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:07,920
She learned it.
1256
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,496
There is nothing like
going out on the stage
1257
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:23,576
in front of a live audience,
singing Gershwin songs and dancing,
1258
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,016
and you can feel their energy
coming back to you.
1259
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,256
Obviously, there are...
You get amazing nights
1260
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,736
where you feel
you're almost flying.
1261
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,696
It's an extraordinary sensation.
1262
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:39,256
As scared as I was about doing it,
once I'd got out there,
1263
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,040
I mean, it becomes very addictive.
1264
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,416
But I do remember the standing
ovation and the cheers
1265
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,760
and I thought,
"I think we've done it."
1266
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,336
While we were in the middle
of the run of My One And Only,
1267
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:02,216
we had the exciting call
that they wanted Tommy and I
1268
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,456
to perform at the Royal Variety
Performance that year.
1269
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,760
It was so exciting,
and we did the water dance.
1270
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,040
APPLAUSE
1271
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,936
I think it was a little bit
like being...
1272
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,040
..a bird let out of a cage,
because...
1273
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,256
..I suddenly realised how wonderful
the experience was
1274
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,496
and I forever, you know,
will thank Tommy Tune
1275
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,040
for giving me that chance to do it.
1276
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,040
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
1277
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,336
I got nominated for a Tony Award,
1278
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,336
which is the biggest award
you can get on Broadway,
1279
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,520
so that's a big high.
1280
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,096
What about your little girl? Is she
thrilled with what you're doing?
1281
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,496
I think she thinks
all mums and dads do that.
1282
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,976
You know, everyone sings and dances
and gets up on a stage and...
1283
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,496
Cos, you know, she doesn't know
who I am or what I am
1284
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,896
except, you know, I do what I do.
1285
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,496
The days that I didn't have nursery,
I'd go in with her and I'd spend...
1286
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,736
I used to spend lots of time
backstage and I was...
1287
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,256
You know, all the dancers
were lovely.
1288
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,816
And I used to collect all
the sequins on the floor
1289
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,656
that fell off their costumes.
1290
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,016
And I used to watch Mum
and Tommy rehearse,
1291
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:25,096
and Tommy was so lovely
and was such a...
1292
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,016
You know, he's been such
an important man in my life,
1293
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,080
and I remember that time
very affectionately.
1294
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,496
They had made this beautiful
little child,
1295
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,336
and we all loved her.
1296
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:41,496
Carly was just divine
and crazy as a loon.
1297
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,736
She was so eccentric.
1298
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,096
Do you remember you were obsessed
with Popeye?
1299
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,256
I was. He was my first love.
1300
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,016
And you used to ask me
for spinach every day.
1301
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,856
You ate spinach. I used to walk
around with one eye closed,
1302
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:54,877
and this is not...
1303
01:07:54,901 --> 01:07:55,896
TWIGGY LAUGHS
1304
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:57,696
I'm not making this up.
1305
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,496
You would only wear sailor suits.
And I wanted a pipe.
1306
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:04,016
Obviously, a two-year-old can't...
A three-year-old can't have a pipe.
1307
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,016
No. And so you used to wrap...
1308
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:10,576
I used to get a plastic straw...
Yeah. ..and tie knots in one end
1309
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,736
so it was like a bobble at the end,
1310
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,640
and you used to walk around
with that in your mouth. Yeah.
1311
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,096
There were months and months
and months where he didn't drink
1312
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,496
and he was lovely
and everything was fine,
1313
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,040
and then something would happen,
so he'd drown his sorrows.
1314
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,760
As time went on...
1315
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,016
..those times of drinking,
you know, got closer together.
1316
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,760
It's a terrible, terrible illness.
1317
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,096
You try everything to try
and help them to get help,
1318
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,520
you know, but it's very,
very, very complicated.
1319
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,415
I couldn't cope with...
1320
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:57,736
..trying to do this massive show
on Broadway and rehearsals...
1321
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,016
I mean, often we'd rehearse
till midnight at night,
1322
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,736
like you do.
1323
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,016
To come home and then have
to deal with that problem,
1324
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,496
I couldn't cope with it, and, erm...
1325
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,279
So it kind of ended
that relationship, really.
1326
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:18,040
And I don't doubt that he loved me
and I know he adored Carly.
1327
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:20,880
The drink...
1328
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,096
..made him throw all that away.
1329
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,359
And it's really sad, really.
1330
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,040
AMBULANCE SIREN
1331
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,736
He died...
1332
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,216
..the day before my fifth birthday.
1333
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,279
He had a massive heart attack and I
was alone with him in a restaurant.
1334
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:56,496
It was quite a kind of, you know,
violent way to lose him.
1335
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:01,016
I think it... You know,
it's had an effect on me.
1336
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,496
But the way my mum, you know,
protected me from...
1337
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,496
You know, there were photographers
trying to take photos of me
1338
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,656
and asking me how I felt
about my father dying
1339
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,736
when I was five years old,
and I think, you know,
1340
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,656
she kept me away from all of that.
1341
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,816
You know, obviously, losing your dad
was very traumatic,
1342
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,656
but mainly because of you.
1343
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,256
And mainly cos I was with him
when it happened. Yeah.
1344
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:29,496
And I was so concerned that
you had to experience that
1345
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,800
that I probably became
overprotective. I don't know.
1346
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:39,256
He did go to AA and stop
drinking, he did stop,
1347
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,920
but I'm afraid the damage
was done and...
1348
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,496
And he was only 52.
It was terrible.
1349
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,336
And although we were living apart,
you know, obviously,
1350
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,896
when you've loved somebody,
1351
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:52,120
you don't...
1352
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,280
That doesn't really stop.
1353
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:04,016
You know, the greatest thing
that he gave me was Carly,
1354
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:08,520
and, you know, I'll always
hold that close to my heart.
1355
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,896
And of course your life appeared to
be going along on a very even train
1356
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,296
and then you had
a personal tragedy... Yeah.
1357
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,496
If I may ask how you managed
to bounce back from that?
1358
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,416
I think you do. You have to.
1359
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:31,016
I was, erm... I had to for Carly.
1360
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,576
I've got a little girl
who's six-and-a-half.
1361
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,816
She's with us this evening, but not
in the audience, isn't that right?
1362
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,920
And... So I had to for her.
I couldn't collapse as well.
1363
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,496
So, suddenly, when you've got a
child and you're the breadwinner,
1364
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,536
you kick into another gear, I think.
1365
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:48,896
APPLAUSE
1366
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,416
It's a whole new you.
1367
01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:53,216
Just everything going
and the hips moving.
1368
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,496
Look at you - a real trampette.
It's wonderful.
1369
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,056
LAUGHTER
1370
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,176
Even the chastity belt is back.
That's not the Twiggy I knew.
1371
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,736
The first time I met you,
it was like little Twiggy.
1372
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,160
But I am very grown up now.
I'm 36 years old.
1373
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,016
I got cast in a film
called Club Paradise.
1374
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:17,256
I was very excited because the star
of this new film was Robin Williams,
1375
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,616
who was a major,
major Hollywood star.
1376
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,336
We had three months in Jamaica
doing this film.
1377
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,016
Carly came out.
1378
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,040
And Robin, we laughed a lot.
1379
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,256
I can remember saying to him, "I'm
not going to look at you today,"
1380
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,096
because once you get the giggles,
it's awful, isn't it?
1381
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:36,920
TWIGGY LAUGHS
1382
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,496
And I came back here
after the filming
1383
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,896
and it was the summer.
1384
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,280
I had been asked out on dates.
1385
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,256
I was very, very, very cautious.
1386
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,376
And mainly because of Carly.
1387
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,736
Because I didn't...
You know, I wanted...
1388
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,736
If I met somebody, and I wanted
to meet somebody, but I wanted...
1389
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,656
It needed to be right for her
as well as for me.
1390
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,016
So we invited Twiggs to dinner.
1391
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:12,416
Robert Powell ringing up
my friend Mike King
1392
01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:16,336
and saying, "Richard Johnson and
his wife have just had a huge row
1393
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,736
"and so they can't join us for
dinner at La Famiglia restaurant
1394
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,016
"in World's End in London.
1395
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,416
"Would you come to dinner?"
1396
01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:27,896
So I turn up at La Famiglia
1397
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,160
and there's this gorgeous creature
sitting there at the table.
1398
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:35,896
And me, Babs and Mike...
1399
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,440
..spent the evening as gooseberries.
1400
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,280
It was extraordinary.
1401
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:46,736
I fell madly in love, obviously,
like you do in a new relationship,
1402
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,736
and he... I mean, he was gorgeous.
1403
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:54,016
Physically gorgeous, but he was
also a really sweet, lovely man.
1404
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,160
Very kind of old-fashioned
in lots of ways.
1405
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:04,736
When you've been through
a broken relationship or marriage,
1406
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:09,096
you're very, very tentative
about entering into another one.
1407
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,496
Am I going down the same road?
1408
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,656
And, how could that love have died?
1409
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,016
And ours didn't.
1410
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:22,016
It lasted for 38 years,
up to this present moment. Yes.
1411
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,656
So unless things go awful tonight...
TWIGGY LAUGHS
1412
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,616
..we're locked in for another 38.
1413
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,416
When Leigh and I did get together
and get married,
1414
01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:33,296
you know, I've got my daughter
and he's got a son,
1415
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:37,656
so we became a new family,
so it's making all that work.
1416
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,256
It's always very complicated and
people do it in very different ways,
1417
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:42,896
but that worked for us.
1418
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:47,736
I felt incredibly fortunate to
be able to call Carly my sister
1419
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,320
and, Twiggy, as loving as I could
have wished for in a step-mum.
1420
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,696
Here is the queen.
Come into our humble abode.
1421
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,656
We were all met with garlands.
1422
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,576
They put garlands around our necks
when we arrived.
1423
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,256
How's the water? Warm?
1424
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,256
Well, they probably have it heated.
1425
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,896
Leigh was a very successful
stage and screen actor
1426
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,736
when I first met him,
and he has done brilliant things
1427
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,736
in his acting and, later on,
directing career.
1428
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:16,736
But we made a pact that if we
were going to be together,
1429
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,016
if one of us got a really good gig,
1430
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:21,896
the other one would come.
1431
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,496
Like, if I got it, he'd come
with me, and vice-versa.
1432
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:26,976
Happy birthday!
1433
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,736
So we weren't separated,
let's put it that way,
1434
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,736
because I think separation
in our business
1435
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,336
is very, very difficult,
1436
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,376
and has proved to be
for many, many couples.
1437
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,736
Excuse me, are you recording?
Yes. You know...
1438
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,336
Say, "Turn over, action."
Turn over, action!
1439
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:47,016
Oh, darling, we have smoked salmon.
What shall we put it on?
1440
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:51,400
Soulmates, I think, is a very
good description for these two.
1441
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,440
They do not like to be apart.
1442
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:59,296
I've always said this -
my family life has always taken
1443
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,496
precedence over work,
1444
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,760
be it rightly or wrongly.
1445
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,696
I think the thing
that first jumps out
1446
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,256
is the love that they have
for each other.
1447
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,736
And, coming from a broken home
1448
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,896
and being around that kind
of unconditional love,
1449
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,560
was just hypnotic and magical.
1450
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:24,496
He's also a brilliant writer
and I love his wonderful poetry,
1451
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,040
but, really, I just love him.
1452
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,416
Finding each other in the world
of entertainment when you have
1453
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:34,256
a level of fame is probably not
the easiest thing in the world,
1454
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,256
so I think there was
a real normality
1455
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,496
that my parents had
with her and Leigh.
1456
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,016
Shortly after I met Leigh,
1457
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:45,016
we were going down to visit
Paul and Linda McCartney
1458
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,616
and the kids in their place
in the country,
1459
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,736
and had a lovely evening.
1460
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:54,016
And then, in the morning, we got
up and we came down for breakfast
1461
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:59,256
and Paul was cooking us a very
delicious vegetarian breakfast,
1462
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,816
and then he sat down
and he picked up a guitar.
1463
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,016
Of course, he has a guitar
in every room.
1464
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,256
And he said,
"Remember this one, Leigh?"
1465
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,280
MUSIC: Blackbird
by The Beatles
1466
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,520
? Blackbird singing
in the dead of night
1467
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,760
? Take these broken wings
and learn to fly
1468
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,520
? All your life
1469
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:31,376
? You were only waiting for this
moment to be free
1470
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:37,376
? You were only
waiting for this moment to be free
1471
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:42,520
? You were only waiting
for this moment to be free. ?
1472
01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:48,040
Leigh said he'll never forget it.
It was quite wonderful.
1473
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,896
I think that the thing
about Twiggy's humour,
1474
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,256
which is actually
a little similar to my own,
1475
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,376
is that she's self-deprecating.
1476
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,336
..about this whole event.
You love the Duke, right?
1477
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:04,896
Who wouldn't?
1478
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,256
He's solid and dependable.
1479
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,056
And, best of all, his mother's dead.
1480
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,016
LAUGHTER
1481
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:13,520
Enough said.
1482
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:19,936
And she just has a kind of energy
that lends itself to comedy.
1483
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:23,016
You know, cos there's this thing
that models are thick and stupid
1484
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,736
and all they can do is, you know...
Which isn't... There may be some.
1485
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:27,837
Yeah.
1486
01:18:27,861 --> 01:18:28,960
LAUGHTER
1487
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,336
But I know thick
and stupid people... No!
1488
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,656
..in other walks of life.
That's true.
1489
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:35,697
LAUGHTER
1490
01:18:35,721 --> 01:18:36,736
Right?
1491
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:37,757
It's true.
1492
01:18:37,781 --> 01:18:38,776
APPLAUSE
1493
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,016
It's hard going into a show
which is already established.
1494
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,656
And you're coming in
probably as yourself.
1495
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,496
Usually a slightly heightened
version of yourself.
1496
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:48,936
Botox? No, Parralox.
1497
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:52,216
Well, it does exactly
what it says on the tin.
1498
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,096
But it was divine having Twiggs on.
1499
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,576
A change of tack here, a change of
image. You know, radical gay pride.
1500
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,296
Fists across America, darling.
Because you are a gay icon.
1501
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:01,816
Oh, am I?
1502
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,440
Damon! Damon! Coming! Twiggy.
1503
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,256
I got a call from Italian Vogue
1504
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:17,336
and Steven Meisel, who is, I think,
one of the great photographers,
1505
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,096
wanted to do a ten-page spread
for Italian Vogue,
1506
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,176
a modelling spread,
which was, you know,
1507
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,496
almost too much to turn down.
1508
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,040
MUSIC: Connection
by Elastica
1509
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,656
But I think it's a bit like
riding a bike, quite honestly.
1510
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,040
I just fell into the old habits,
I suppose.
1511
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,576
My first impressions of Kate
before I met her
1512
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,416
was how gorgeous she was,
1513
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:47,016
and she kind of reminded me of me
when I was very young.
1514
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:51,736
And we're kind of, for models,
we're very similar body shape.
1515
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,736
And, actually, when I was a judge
on America's Next Top Model,
1516
01:19:55,760 --> 01:20:00,056
sometimes girls would come on
and if they happened to be small,
1517
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,496
you know, one of the judges
would say,
1518
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,736
"Probably won't work
because you're too small."
1519
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,816
So I'd kind of put up my hand
and say,
1520
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,736
"Excuse me, I didn't do too badly
and Kate Moss didn't do too badly."
1521
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,600
? Connection is made... ?
1522
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,656
I did the range for M&S for
a few years, which I loved doing.
1523
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:23,696
When I joined Marks & Spencer,
it was in a pretty shabby state.
1524
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,840
Customers had pretty much fallen
out of love with the fashion.
1525
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:31,456
Twiggy was recognised by
the more mature audience.
1526
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:33,896
She reminded the customers
of their youth -
1527
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,496
of a time when anything
seemed possible.
1528
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,256
And every time I wore something
in the commercials,
1529
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,336
they would tell me that
it would sell very well,
1530
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:46,496
so I said, "Well, let me do
a range," and I loved that.
1531
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,736
I think we did some
really nice clothes.
1532
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,736
I remember Stuart Rose and I driving
back from a city presentation,
1533
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,256
there was an Evening Standard
news vendor,
1534
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,816
and the headline just said simply,
"Twiggy saves M&S".
1535
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:00,976
And that just says it all.
1536
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,016
What comes next, Twiggy?
1537
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,416
Through lovely Barbara Hulanicki,
1538
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:08,656
she mentioned me to her friend
Mindy Grossman,
1539
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:14,016
who was running HSN, which is
a huge shopping channel in America.
1540
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,576
I had lunch with Twiggy
and her husband Leigh
1541
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,736
and, by the end of lunch,
I literally looked at her
1542
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:25,600
and I said, "OK, we need
to launch Twiggy London."
1543
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:32,936
Her ability to connect with women -
all women - was so powerful.
1544
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,816
The irony for me is that Twiggy
represented youth
1545
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,600
and now she represents
another stage in her life.
1546
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:46,256
The designing part of my career
has been very important to me,
1547
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:48,736
and I've done many collections
over the years
1548
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,976
and will continue to do so.
1549
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,336
Super relaxed. Just a demo. OK.
1550
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,376
It's going to be... Relax, relax!
1551
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,256
Before The Rain.
Right, here we go, let's go for it.
1552
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,256
She loves to work.
She loves to be in the studio
1553
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,416
recording an album and singing.
Wakes up happy.
1554
01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:08,920
? I remember sunshine in your eyes
1555
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,496
? But now I just see something
1556
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,760
? That I don't recognise
1557
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,736
? There's no running from... ?
1558
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,256
I think the fact that Twiggy
is still,
1559
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,496
after so many decades
of doing photography
1560
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,496
and acting and now music,
1561
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:33,736
the fact that she's still working
away at being in that world
1562
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,336
is a real credit to her
because it takes a lot
1563
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,736
to want to be in that world
for such a long time.
1564
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:45,040
? Do you remember who we were
before the rain? ?
1565
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,336
I'm still very fortunate
that I, you know,
1566
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,216
I get to do things which I love.
1567
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,656
I wouldn't like to be
sitting at home retired.
1568
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,816
That wouldn't suit me at all.
1569
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,016
? We both know that it's more
1570
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:01,496
? Than just the weather
that's to blame
1571
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,016
? What a shame... ?
1572
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,656
Gorgeous.
1573
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,936
I think Twiggy's career
has evolved as she has.
1574
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:09,976
Charlotte, darling.
1575
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,776
Twiggy here.
1576
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:16,256
She brings a different notion
of what beauty can mean,
1577
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:17,877
and it doesn't stop at 21.
1578
01:23:17,901 --> 01:23:19,496
SHE CHUCKLES
1579
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,056
It keeps on going.
1580
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:25,016
I was so flattered when
the lovely Charlotte Tilbury
1581
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,656
asked me to be in... Well, I've
done two campaigns for her now,
1582
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,696
along with some other gorgeous,
lovely girlies.
1583
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,496
When Twiggy, at her age,
1584
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:38,176
gets such an incredible
ambassadorship,
1585
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,016
that changes the game.
1586
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,736
I always say if you can see it,
you can be it.
1587
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,416
They say that you stay the age
that you became successful.
1588
01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:47,896
She hasn't.
1589
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,496
She's grown old beautifully
and she's done so many other things.
1590
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:55,016
But I'm always going to
remember that image -
1591
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:59,240
the first real supermodel
that you could relate to.
1592
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,576
I think that people like Twiggy
remind women
1593
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,096
that they can be themselves
and be beautiful,
1594
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:13,280
and how complex
and different beauty can be.
1595
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,576
For each person on this planet
to look different
1596
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,456
is a beautiful and wondrous thing,
1597
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:21,256
whether that be about the way
you look, the way you dress.
1598
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,320
Your power is your individuality.
1599
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:30,256
She embraces every sort of era
of her life,
1600
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,336
and I've learned that from her.
1601
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,816
She still has the energy
and curiosity
1602
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,136
and ability to throw herself into
so many different things at once.
1603
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,840
But I think that's part of
the reason for her longevity.
1604
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:47,656
You can't really go too far or
in too many different directions
1605
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:49,856
without seeing her image.
1606
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,736
When you see postcards,
Audrey Hepburn,
1607
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,416
Marilyn Monroe is always there.
1608
01:24:55,440 --> 01:24:59,016
Some people explode
out of their time.
1609
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,856
How do we ever know
what that magic is?
1610
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:03,736
She had it.
1611
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,256
She epitomises an era
that will never go away.
1612
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,656
It will be treasured by us.
1613
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:11,816
And I think she is a treasure.
1614
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,096
She is someone that I think
that people will always think of
1615
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,136
as an icon - a true British icon.
1616
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,016
She's a Dame. And now I'm a Dame.
1617
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,736
I remember the day that I opened
the letter...
1618
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:25,936
Oh, I've dropped it.
I've dropped my star.
1619
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,536
..because I had absolutely
no warning.
1620
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:32,096
I remember sitting down and I kept
saying, "Oh, my God! Oh, my God!"
1621
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,016
And Leigh kept saying, "What's
the matter? What's the matter?"
1622
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,176
I said, "No, no, no.
It's good, it's good."
1623
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,656
He said, "Congratulations.
About time you got this.
1624
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,256
"We're all thrilled for you."
So that was nice.
1625
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,816
She's just... She's who she is.
1626
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:48,016
The success never altered her
in any way.
1627
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,256
I do believe she could wake up
tomorrow and that would be it,
1628
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,736
she'd say, "All right." You know?
She'd just get back to living.
1629
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,496
She's exceptional in that way,
I think.
1630
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,336
Being married to the lady
that I'm married to
1631
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,776
has enriched my life enormously.
1632
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,760
THEY LAUGH
1633
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,616
Right, so, into the camera...
1634
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,736
..erm, what do you think
your legacy will be?
1635
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,256
TWIGGY CHUCKLES
1636
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,040
Erm, I think her legacy is...
1637
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,376
..you know, women are awesome
cos they are.
1638
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:22,840
Oh, God.
1639
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,016
I just... Without... I don't want
it to sound, like, sappy,
1640
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,720
but I do love you, Mum,
with all my heart.
1641
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,440
MUSIC: Be My Baby
by The Ronettes
1642
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,096
People say Twiggy looks like a boy.
1643
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,416
She doesn't. She's just adorable.
1644
01:26:57,440 --> 01:26:59,016
Twig. Yeah?
1645
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:00,520
We've seen...
1646
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,816
Really, we've seen lots and lots
of very good photographs of you.
1647
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,560
We've never seen you move.
Would you dance for us? All right.
1648
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,256
? So won't you say you love me?
1649
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:17,256
? I'll make you so proud of me
1650
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,736
? We'll make them turn their heads
1651
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,016
? Every place we go
1652
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:27,736
? So won't you please
Be my, be my baby
1653
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:31,496
? Be my little baby
My one and only baby
1654
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:35,496
? Say you'll be my darling
Be my, be my baby
1655
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:40,040
? Be my baby now
My one and only baby
1656
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,896
? I'll make you happy, baby
1657
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,520
? Just wait and see
1658
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,496
? For every kiss you give me
1659
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,520
? I'll give you three
1660
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,496
? Oh, since the day I saw you
1661
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,016
? I have been waiting for you
1662
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:07,416
? You know I will adore you
1663
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:10,016
? Till eternity
1664
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,760
? So won't you please... ?
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