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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,080 THIS SERIES CONTAINS DESCRIPTIONS OF VIOLENCE THAT MAY UPSET VIEWERS. 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,000 IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW IS A VICTIM, 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,680 FIND RESOURCES AND INFO AT WWW.WANNATALKABOUTIT.COM 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,640 This is a damning report for Cantat. 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,680 The final conclusions from Marie Trintignant's autopsy 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,280 speak of multiple blows to the face and a fractured nose. 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,840 The theory that a slap caused a fatal fall has crumbled. 8 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,160 Bertrand Cantat seems to have been lying. 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,240 This is what we are now led to believe 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,520 based on the autopsy of Marie Trintignant. 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,760 The singer's account that she fell onto a radiator 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,640 has been disproven by the results. 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,760 The actress appears to have been the victim of a fatal beating. 14 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,800 MARIE TRINTIGNANT'S EX-PARTNER 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,880 You know, when they tell you that… 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,400 that she was beaten to death, 17 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,640 well, you start to imagine it. 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,440 And plus, he's this guy who has these enormous hands, 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,640 like paddles, with huge rings. 20 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,320 And that's when I went… 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,840 I don't wanna think about that. 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:17,800 But I'll tell you, 23 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,240 I could've killed him. 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:22,800 I can't get over it. 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,240 You know, this is the kind of thing that you never get over. 26 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:28,560 It all repeats in your mind. 27 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,000 I mean, really it's been terrible. 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,880 ACTRESS AND MARIE TRINTIGNANT'S FRIEND 29 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:35,240 AUTOPSY POINTS TO BERTRAND CANTAT 30 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:38,200 The autopsy was released by the press in mid-August. 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,800 And for the first time, Bertrand Cantat's image actually suffered. 32 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,040 JOURNALIST LE POINT MAGAZINE 33 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:43,760 CONDEMNS 34 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,200 Marie Trintignant's nose was crushed. 35 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,080 It was literally shattered. 36 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,760 She had lesions on her brain and lesions on both optic nerves. 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:54,680 JOURNALIST 38 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,640 According to medical examiners, she had shaken baby syndrome. 39 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,640 And it was just Cantat's bare hands that did this to her. 40 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,080 He butchered her. 41 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,080 This girl was slaughtered. 42 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,720 Horrifying. 43 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,640 Lithuania is already requesting the autopsy of Marie Trintignant 44 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,080 for investigative purposes. 45 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,680 A French investigation was also requested by the Trintignant family. 46 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,400 The investigation has been given to examining magistrate 47 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,000 Nathalie Turquey and Police Commissioner Jérôme Bonet. 48 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,240 FORMER HEAD OF THE CRIME SQUAD 49 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,200 Thanks to the autopsy, we were able to rule out the theory of, 50 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,280 "I hit her and then she had a bad fall," 51 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,560 but we didn't have the crime scene, which would've been key for us. 52 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:37,520 What could've happened? What triggered the beating? 53 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,560 We got authorization to go to Vilnius to interrogate him. 54 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,840 Bertrand Cantat… he must give us some answers. 55 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,400 FROM ROCK STAR TO KILLER 56 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,000 EPISODE 2 A DEADLY PASSION? 57 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:05,560 The examining magistrate of this case 58 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:07,360 arrived this evening in Vilnius. 59 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,120 She arrived in Vilnius with two officers from the crime squad, 60 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,400 and in her luggage, she has the autopsy report of Marie Trintignant. 61 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,800 The magistrate has already asked to meet with Bertrand Cantat 62 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,080 and interrogate him about the course of events. 63 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,320 When we arrived in Vilnius, 64 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,080 we got our luggage and received a warning, "You'll see. It's crazy." 65 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,200 And sure enough, we were harassed. 66 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,600 We were caught in an overwhelming swarm of cameras, 67 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,240 and they followed us all the way to the ambassador's car. 68 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,880 We all jumped into the car, 69 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,120 and got out of there as quickly as we could. 70 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,080 The stakes of this new hearing were incredibly high. 71 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,440 Because during the first hearing, Bertrand had lied. 72 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,760 It was so much more serious than we could've ever imagined. 73 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,040 And since Marie Trintignant's death, 74 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,360 he'd been prosecuted for first-degree murder, 75 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,680 risking up to 15 years in prison. 76 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,520 So, I wondered what he was going to say to get out of it. 77 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,040 AUGUST 21, 2003 SECOND HEARING 78 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,360 Now that you are here in the presence of these representatives 79 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,440 of the French justice system, 80 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,560 are you ready to make your official statement? 81 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,360 Yes, of course. I'm ready. Sure. 82 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,880 The second hearing had very high stakes for us. 83 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,200 We asked new questions, 84 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:38,320 and we really tried to encourage him to tell us the truth. 85 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,360 FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE CRIME SQUAD 86 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,160 Since I was the head of the Crime Squad at the time, I was in Paris, 87 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,520 but it was Commissioner Bonet who kept me informed about the hearing, 88 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,160 which he followed closely. 89 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,680 We interviewed Bertrand Cantat on August 21st, in 2003… 90 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,600 and we knew that, at this second hearing, 91 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,440 we absolutely had to present him with the autopsy results. 92 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,960 Then his version of events changed. 93 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,800 Mm-hm. 94 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,360 He would like to know if you could please show us exactly how you hit her. 95 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,200 Well… 96 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:31,480 I did very, very, very large big slaps back and forth like this. 97 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,360 Four or five or six of them. 98 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,040 Like this and that, and this and that, you know? 99 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,680 -Mm-hm. -And then, then maybe even more, 100 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,240 because, like I was saying, at the time, you know, I… I won't try it on you. 101 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:44,600 No. 102 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:45,600 No, don't. 103 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,760 But it's true that they weren't gentle. 104 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:54,320 They were big slaps, and I was beside myself. 105 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,560 Totally out of control. 106 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,400 I wasn't myself in that moment. It was like an out-of-body experience. 107 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,640 And so, I… I slapped her really hard. 108 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,440 They were like big slaps like this with my rings on, 109 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,440 so, the fact of the matter is 110 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,280 the whole thing was really… It was quite violent. 111 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,760 Did you do it like this or more like that? 112 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:15,800 -I don't really know. -Uh-huh. 113 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,560 Because the slaps just sort of came out of me in that moment. 114 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,520 Like that, without any sort of planning. 115 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,200 I didn't think about how hard it would be, but I know that it wasn't… 116 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:27,440 They weren't like this. 117 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,280 I know that the hits definitely weren't as hard as that. 118 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,920 Thanks to the autopsy, we got a bit of a confession. 119 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,080 It wasn't enough, it was incomplete, but it was a confession. 120 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,800 I… I can't. 121 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,560 I… I just think… 122 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,800 I still think that it was my fault. 123 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,880 Sure, you can say that we were both fighting, 124 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,680 but still, I hit her. 125 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,520 So, I take responsibility for the fact that… that she died because of me. 126 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,080 -What have I done? It was because of me! -Bertrand Cantat 127 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,280 admitted that it was his fault. 128 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:07,960 And more than anything, he cried a lot. 129 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,720 It's… It's absolutely awful. Terrible. 130 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,880 And in fact, at that point in time, 131 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,960 the headlines said, "Bertrand Cantat's poignant confession." 132 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,680 The first words of the article talked about Bertrand Cantat's tears. 133 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,000 He was described as emaciated. This is a man who killed a woman, 134 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,880 but the tone of the article is empathetic towards him. 135 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,920 And that's exactly when he started to turn the situation around. 136 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,400 At a certain point, it was just a matter of the fact that I was stronger. 137 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,400 It was a problem that… It completely overwhelmed me. 138 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,040 It did. It completely took me over. Yeah, it took over. 139 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,120 During this second hearing, he was 140 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,040 already on his way to prison, if I dare say. 141 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,520 And at that point, Bertrand Cantat realizes, 142 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,800 "I might go to trial and get convicted," so he starts to worry, 143 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,560 and he tries to get out of it by using several defense tactics. 144 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,040 Narcissistic abusers are dangerously clever. 145 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:13,360 He will do whatever it takes to make all suspicion fall elsewhere. 146 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,360 Let's just say things on her end escalated quickly, 147 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,360 and I didn't recognize her. 148 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,400 And so, already it was… 149 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,120 Well, I couldn't recognize Marie. She became someone else. 150 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,760 There was something else wrong before it escalated. 151 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,040 At first, Bertrand Cantat's defense 152 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,720 played on the fact that Marie's behavior could perhaps have been, 153 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,360 I won't go so far as to say "provocative," 154 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,040 but he was making people question if her behavior could have provoked anger. 155 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,640 Of course, she was screaming too, and then, she… 156 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,120 she punched me right in the face. She hit me. 157 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,320 Mm-hm. 158 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,120 Until then, I controlled myself, but then I lost it. 159 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,440 -Mm-hm. -I had a split lip on top and other marks, 160 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,200 but no one seemed to care. 161 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:03,160 And I remember that the French lawyer Bertrand Cantat had, Olivier Metzner, 162 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,240 he came outside… 163 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,720 …and he spoke to the press. 164 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,200 Marie had never acted like that. 165 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,560 It was foreign to him. 166 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,200 And his strategy would change everything. 167 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,320 Unfortunately… 168 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,680 she hit him first. 169 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,080 She punched me before I hit back. She grabbed me. 170 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,400 She grabbed him, and he fell. 171 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,680 By that point, she had completely lost it. 172 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,840 She lost control, and then he lost it too. 173 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,680 The press started to speak about that a lot. 174 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,120 According to the lawyer of Bertrand Cantat, 175 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,640 Marie Trintignant provoked the singer by taking a swing at him first. 176 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,360 MARIE ALLEGEDLY HIT HIM 177 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,000 And of course, this made an impact on French citizens. 178 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,360 IT'S NOT THE "EVIL MAN" AGAINST THE "NICE WOMAN" 179 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,440 TRINTINGNANT ASSAULTED CANTAT FIRST! 180 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,920 The autopsy report was basically forgotten 181 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:00,240 because the media just kept on repeating the arguments made by Cantat's defense, 182 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,600 which turned the 20 or so hits that were received into self-defense. 183 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,160 He said, "I jostled her slightly…" 184 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,440 After the grief, comes anger and outrage. 185 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,640 The media became a battlefield between two prominent lawyers. 186 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,680 The one who defended the Trintignants was Georges Kiejman. 187 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,040 TRINTIGNANT FAMILY'S LAWYER 188 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,560 He's a beast in the media. 189 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,200 He's worked on the most high-profile cases in France. 190 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,600 The Trintignant family, speaking through their lawyer Mr. Kiejman, 191 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:30,040 gave their version of events today. 192 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,840 "No, she was not the one to hit him first." 193 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,120 It is unbelievably unlikely 194 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,200 to think that this small, young woman, 195 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,640 1.65 meters tall, weighing less than 60 kilos, 196 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,280 could have pushed and knocked him to the ground, 197 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:45,960 this big guy, who's a real athlete. 198 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,800 About 1.9 meters tall and weighing 85 kilos, 199 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,880 not to mention that he's trained in several different sports. 200 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,120 Marie was a tiny little thing. 201 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,280 It's impossible that she could have physically taken on Cantat 202 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,320 in any sort of significant way. 203 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:04,000 And yet, his intention was to use the argument of self-defense, 204 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,240 in which he was practically the victim. 205 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,320 Poor Bertrand Cantat, 206 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,440 who was pushed to the brink to kill Marie without wanting to. 207 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,120 And then, Bertrand Cantat found a new way to defend himself. 208 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,360 And of course, it's not the most elegant way, to say the least, 209 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:29,640 it's to smear the victim. 210 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,360 So I just couldn't-- Well, I kept on trying to reason with her 211 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,120 through counter-arguments, by saying, 212 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,960 "Wait, you can't tell me that there isn't some sort of an imbalance here, 213 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,120 that there isn't a problem." 214 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,800 And she kept saying, "Go see your wife, go see your wife," 215 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,840 until she was completely, well, hysterical. 216 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,080 She was enraged, hysterical. 217 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,240 He didn't think she could be like that. 218 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,880 And she kept on being so hysterical, 219 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,720 She kept fixating on, "Go see that amazing woman. Go see her." 220 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,440 This idea that Marie Trintignant drove Bertrand Cantat crazy 221 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,360 because she was hysterical and pushed him to the edge, 222 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,480 this story persisted and was reported by the press. 223 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:12,720 HYSTERICAL HYSTERIA 224 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,600 In an editorial, we saw them write, "Words kill." 225 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:16,520 WORDS THAT KILL 226 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,280 "Words do more harm than hitting." Or, "words that emasculate." 227 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:21,360 EMASCULATE 228 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,800 So Marie Trintignant's words hurt more than the beating by Bertrand Cantat. 229 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:26,960 SILENCE WORDS THAT KILL 230 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,600 Frankly, it's shameful. 231 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,560 Cantat had several more lines of defense after that. 232 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,720 Obviously, he was trying to discredit the victim. 233 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,000 I am not going to give any more attention to Marie's alleged hysteria. 234 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,320 It's the classic excuse from abusive men. 235 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,440 Marie Trintignant's loved ones were mourning at that time. 236 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,160 They didn't want to speak publicly. 237 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,440 So now, Georges Kiejman was on his own, 238 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,640 which left more space for people close to Bertrand Cantat. 239 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,360 There is a spotlight on this case because of their personalities… 240 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,360 WRITER 241 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,200 …and the dynamic between the two of them. 242 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,400 I mean, we have to be careful not to judge too quickly. 243 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,800 Investigate conclusions, and psychological profiles must be made. 244 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,760 AN ALCOHOLIC WITH A HYSTERICAL WOMAN IT HAD TO END BADLY 245 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,800 SHE WAS A HYSTERICAL, ALCOHOLIC DRUG-USER 246 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,440 IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY ANYTHING, BUT IT PUTS IT INTO CONTEXT. 247 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,120 MARIE HAD FOUR CHILDREN FROM THREE DIFFERENT FATHERS? 248 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,080 I'm not saying that I know her. I don't know Marie Trintignant. 249 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,400 JOURNALIST AND WRITER 250 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,360 I can't say what she was like, but what's key for Cantat is loyalty. 251 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,000 He hasn't been married three times. 252 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,840 -Wow. Come on, listen! -I'm just saying… 253 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,600 -You have to say these things. -Ridiculous! 254 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:34,720 -Why not? They're the facts! -Listen! 255 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,640 Personally, if I had to plead in favor of Bertrand Cantat in Vilnius, 256 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,920 I'd say it's more a tragedy than a crime. 257 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,920 -Xavier Cantat, welcome. -Good evening. 258 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,960 You are the older brother of Bertrand Cantat. 259 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,840 You say that Marie's personality is being rewritten, 260 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,320 but she was capable of being excessive, everyone knows that. 261 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,040 Marie had many different lovers, 262 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,320 and she had four children with four fathers, not just three. 263 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:58,960 So it doesn't do her image justice 264 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,600 to portray her as some sort of perfect little girl, which she never was. 265 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:05,160 They're trying to make us believe 266 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,080 that nobody ever saw her get angry with anyone before. 267 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,480 But I don't know. They never met her then. 268 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:12,480 Thank you. 269 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,920 Here's an example of complacency from Thierry Ardisson. 270 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,640 He hosts one of the most-watched shows in France, 271 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,760 and he decides to let on the brother of Bertrand Cantat 272 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,680 to destroy Marie Trintignant's image 273 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,560 when she was just killed by Bertrand's bare hands. 274 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,240 Uh… so I knew that… 275 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,560 NOIR DÉSIR'S FORMER TOUR MANAGER 276 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,840 …that Marie Trintignant was a person who was quite complex. 277 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,560 I mean, after all, she was an actress, 278 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:44,120 so she was very highly strung, and she was a bit… not quite hysterical, 279 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,080 but she had a temper. 280 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,040 That's all. 281 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:51,880 Defenders of Bertrand Cantat 282 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,440 would have done anything to minimize his responsibility. 283 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,800 And this was even more evident during Bertrand Cantat's last line of defense 284 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:03,160 to connect his crime to his undying love. 285 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,040 I loved her so much, and she loved me so much. 286 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,520 She attacked me too. 287 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,840 Why did something like this have to happen? 288 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,400 It's something I can't wrap my head around. 289 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,720 I completely lost control, and she lost control too. 290 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,840 Both of us did in that moment. 291 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,960 It's just such an insane turn of events. 292 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,280 Everyone, if you speak to them, if you ask anybody, 293 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,320 everybody knows how much we loved each other. 294 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,240 Everybody knows how strong it was. 295 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,720 I hope that when he is finally tried, 296 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,720 it will be for something that is closer to the truth, 297 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,120 which is a crime of passion. 298 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,280 Cantat's lawyers tried to justify the incident 299 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,720 by calling it a crime of passion. 300 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,160 Without this excessive love, this tragedy wouldn't have happened. 301 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,160 Because under Lithuanian law, 302 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,560 if the events were categorized in that way, 303 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,320 Bertrand Cantat's sentence could be cut in half. 304 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:55,560 LOVE - COUPLE - PASSION 305 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,800 From there, the French headlines, 306 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,280 they suddenly discussed it as a crime of passion. 307 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,920 A story of a love that went wrong. 308 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,240 LOVE 309 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,120 MARIE TRINTIGNANT VICTIM OF PASSION 310 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,160 PASSION 311 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,240 TRINTIGNANT A DEVASTATING LOVE 312 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,000 PASSION A TRAGIC COUPLE 313 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,800 Everyone is calling it an exceptional love story 314 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,000 that became excessive. 315 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,800 It's a beautiful love story that took a bad turn. 316 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,760 The crime itself seems passionate. 317 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,000 This tragic act occurred in the middle of a passionate, heated argument. 318 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,080 BERTRAND WAS A VICTIM OF HIS PASSION. 319 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,120 IT'S AWFUL FOR HIM TOO! 320 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,000 What was the cause that pushed both of them there? 321 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,480 What was it that exacerbated their passion? 322 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,960 No. That doesn't exist. 323 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,040 You don't kill out of love. That's totally made up. 324 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,080 People need to get that out of their heads. 325 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:48,560 You kill out of hatred. 326 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,520 The only story that was being told by the media 327 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,640 was that it was a crime of passion, and that she deserved it. Boom. 328 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,360 Back in 2003, 329 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,200 well, the newspaper headlines called it a "crime of passion," 330 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,920 so I thought it was a crime of passion. 331 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,040 I didn't understand at the time. 332 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:10,520 Crime and passion. 333 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,360 Those are two words that just shouldn't go together. Period. 334 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,680 The notion of a crime of passion reflects a worldview, at that time, 335 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,240 which is that a great love must always end tragically. 336 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,840 You get the impression that the perpetrator 337 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,040 is also a victim of his own passion. 338 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,040 At the time, I was so outraged by this type of treatment. 339 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:36,200 And so, I spoke out in Marie's defense. 340 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,400 Welcome to Tout le monde en parle. 341 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,920 -Introducing Muriel Cerf. -Hello, Thierry. 342 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,920 -Do you know everyone? -No, I don't. 343 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,080 -All right. -Hello. 344 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,440 I don't know anyone here. 345 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,280 -You must've heard of Lio. -I've heard of Lio. 346 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:50,960 You've published a book with Écriture called, 347 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,640 Bertrand Cantat or The Song of the Automatons. 348 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,800 So, in your opinion, 349 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,200 the explanation that you give for the crime of Bertrand Cantat 350 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,880 is that the nature of passion is violent, at its core. 351 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:02,800 Exactly. 352 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,000 The nature of passion depends on what type of passion and how we perceive it. 353 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,520 His love wasn't stolen from him. He killed her. 354 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,440 -Of course he killed her. -Carry on because I'm interested. 355 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:12,400 Look, we agree. 356 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,920 -Really, I'm very, very interested. -Cantat, he was madly in love with Marie. 357 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,040 So my book is about passionate love and what we do with it. 358 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,040 I could only handle that conversation by trusting what came out of my mouth. 359 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:26,000 All I know is that to say 360 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,680 that Marie was also somehow responsible for her own death, 361 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,840 -that passion and love killed her-- -What? 362 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,040 No. Love does not kill people. 363 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:37,560 I know that when Marie died, the condition of her face was similar 364 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,160 to a victim of a motorcycle accident going 120 kilometers per hour. 365 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,320 And those are the words of the doctors. 366 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,040 -As long as women… -But that's not it. 367 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:47,280 …accept their fate as victims in the name of love, 368 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:48,400 we're fucked. 369 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,320 Oh, you've been robbed of your love? 370 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,680 But who's the one who stole his fucking love? 371 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,520 Marie died because he hit her. 372 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,120 -Okay. -Fine, you wanted to go there, but… 373 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:04,680 During that show, 374 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,800 the only discussion was about the crime of passion. 375 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,360 For me, that was the catalyst. 376 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,080 I had to speak. 377 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,040 It was insanely unjust. 378 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,240 And after that, they humiliated me. 379 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,920 I got dragged through the mud. 380 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,720 At the time, Lio was all the more courageous, 381 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,320 'cause she did it alone. 382 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:35,840 So, she ran the risk of them saying that she was also hysterical. 383 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:40,240 I didn't get what was at stake, but no one understood at the time. 384 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,080 I thought it was the right thing to do. To defend Marie. 385 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,800 During the second hearing, 386 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,680 another accusation was made against Bertrand Cantat. 387 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,280 Something that really shocked me. 388 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,480 After he completely butchered her by beating her senseless, 389 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,120 he then put Marie Trintignant to bed and did nothing. 390 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,720 The beating he gave her and the fact that she was unconscious 391 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,480 meant he should have called for help right away. 392 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,680 But that's not what happened. 393 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,960 When I put her to bed… 394 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,640 I wiped up her blood and she… 395 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,280 She was asleep. I patted her face, like this. 396 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:56,120 But it's important to tell you that she was a very deep sleeper. 397 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,000 Especially when she first went to sleep. 398 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,280 You could never wake her up when she first went to sleep. 399 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:04,080 I wasn't surprised I couldn't wake her up, as you can imagine. 400 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,840 She was sleeping deeply. 401 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,560 What time was it? 402 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,600 I can't tell you exactly, but maybe 1:00 a.m.? 403 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,240 It's absolutely impossible for someone to go to sleep… 404 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:22,600 MEDICAL EXAMINER 405 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,720 …after being the victim of such an act of violence, 406 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,120 and then, somehow, find a way to sleep peacefully. 407 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,120 Think about a boxing match. 408 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,640 Think about how the boxer falls down in the ring after being hit. 409 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,440 He's not lying there getting a nice and restful sleep. 410 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,440 He's knocked out. 411 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,240 I saw all of her blood there and everything, 412 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,040 so I decided to clean it up. I did. I cleaned all of it up. 413 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,040 What a strange reaction. 414 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,040 I can't say that I've really seen this any other time in my career. 415 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,080 I was distraught. I paced around in circles. 416 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,320 I didn't know what to do. 417 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,440 Either you flee, or you call for help. 418 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,800 But just staying put and not doing anything? 419 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,360 That's a bit strange. 420 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,400 I was distraught, and I thought to myself, "Okay, I'll call Samuel." 421 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,560 I mean, Benchetrit, her ex-husband. 422 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,280 "I'll call Samuel." I'm not sure where that came from. 423 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:21,080 There was some part of me that I can't even fully explain. 424 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,920 I don't know why I called Samuel, but, well… 425 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,160 So what did we talk about? 426 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,040 We talked about the children and other things. 427 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:31,360 He said, "Don't worry, Marie loves you." 428 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,800 When you're with someone who doesn't wake up or is unresponsive, 429 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,000 someone who's bleeding from their face, 430 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,880 it should be obvious that you have to do something. 431 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,320 After the call, I went back into the bedroom. 432 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,920 I thought, "Fuck, she has marks on her face and everything. Holy shit." 433 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,120 It was… I thought to myself, "She can't shoot like this." 434 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,440 You know, if there's a problem with her face. 435 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,680 And I had this instinct to make a call to Vincent Trintignant, 436 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,440 because he was the first AD on the film, but most importantly, her brother. 437 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,760 So, I called Vincent. 438 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,640 But the person who picked up was his Lithuanian girlfriend, 439 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:10,760 who speaks French. 440 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,760 VINCENT'S EX-PARTNER 441 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,240 It's 4:00 a.m. Vincent's phone rings. 442 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,840 I pick up the phone, ask, "What's going on?" 443 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,520 And then Bertrand says to me, "Pass the phone to Vincent." 444 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,240 He told me that, "Something's happened, and it's awful." 445 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,400 That's the word he used. I remember it clearly. 446 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,960 So, I woke up Vincent, and then he left. 447 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:36,360 He left. 448 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,280 Then Vincent arrived, and he came up to the apartment. 449 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,400 He immediately said to me, 450 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,960 "Ah, but what… What the hell did you both do?" 451 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,440 "What the…?" He insulted me, etcetera. It was normal. 452 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,040 And how long did that go on for? 453 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:03,080 I can't tell you that either, but it lasted a while. 454 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,720 It went on for a while. 455 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,080 It might have been about an hour and a half 456 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,320 Maybe two hours. 457 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,400 And I went back to see Marie from time to time. 458 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,440 At that point, Vincent was convinced that, well, that she was just sleeping. 459 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:27,480 What time was it when Vincent Trintignant made a call to a doctor? 460 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,320 There was a point a little later on, 461 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,360 where at first we thought she had a small cut on her mouth, 462 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,440 but it just kept bleeding, and finally, we looked at each other 463 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,080 and knew we had to call a doctor to see what was wrong. 464 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,360 -What time was this roughly? -It must've been… 465 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,520 -What time do you think? -It was sunrise, I think. 466 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,560 Bertrand Cantat? He knows how hard he hit Marie. 467 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,760 He knows he hurt her because she became unconscious. 468 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,120 But he didn't call for help. 469 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,160 Staying with the woman that you're supposed to love 470 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,240 for seven hours after putting her to bed, and doing nothing to help her, 471 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,280 any way you look at it, 472 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,200 this constitutes a failure to help a person at risk. 473 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,200 No, I didn't intentionally withhold help from her. 474 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,400 If I realized she needed it, I would've gotten her help immediately. 475 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,280 In France, he probably would have received a heavier sentence. 476 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:33,320 But in Lithuania, no one charged him for that. 477 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,880 It's true that he was delayed 478 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,960 in calling emergency services to get help for her. 479 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:42,960 PROSECUTOR 480 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,240 Perhaps, in that moment, he wasn't able to fully grasp the danger. 481 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,640 So, we didn't charge Cantat with that. 482 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,640 But judging by the autopsy, 483 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,680 this act had to be classified as murder. 484 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,960 The prosecutor determined that Bertrand Cantat committed murder. 485 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,040 From that point on, 486 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:09,560 it was decided that he'd be prosecuted for first-degree murder. 487 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,400 The consequences for that are immense. 488 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,800 Bertrand Cantat, still imprisoned in Vilnius, 489 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,560 will soon learn the extent of the charges against him 490 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,080 and the date of his trial. 491 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,120 We learned this morning that the trial of Bertrand Cantat 492 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,640 should start at the end of March in Lithuania. 493 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,720 According to his lawyer, 494 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,280 the Noir Désir singer will be tried for first-degree murder. 495 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,720 The indictment states that Marie Trintignant 496 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,960 was physically struck 19 times. 497 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,440 At this stage now, for committing homicide, 498 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,320 in Lithuania, Bertrand Cantat could get up to 15 years in prison. 499 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,240 So, it's a lot. 500 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,240 The stakes are enormous. 501 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,880 MARCH 2004 502 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,280 8 MONTHS AFTER MARIE TRINTIGNANT'S DEATH, THE TRIAL BEGINS IN VILNIUS. 503 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,440 After eight months, 504 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,440 Nadine Trintignant has returned to see Bertrand Cantat face the judge. 505 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,400 Nadine Trintignant and her son Vincent are here 506 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,160 to see Bertrand Cantat receive a harsh sentence. 507 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,920 For them, there should be no extenuating circumstances. 508 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,720 The trial will receive a lot of media attention. 509 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,320 It doesn't start for two days, 510 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,080 but according to the crowd at the airport, the battle is already underway. 511 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,000 It's obvious that Bertrand Cantat 512 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,320 never wanted or hoped for Marie Trintignant to die. 513 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,040 He still mourns her to this day, 514 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,600 and he will provide an explanation this week. 515 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,440 Bertrand Cantat's lawyer will focus on the passion that united the couple. 516 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,160 The main goal of this trial, above all, 517 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,160 was to get more information on the case file about Cantat. 518 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,680 Who was he really? 519 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,760 What I wanted to know was if Cantat was a violent man or not. 520 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,440 With his former partners, had he shown signs of violence? 521 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,480 Was Marie Trintignant's murder a moment of madness, 522 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,720 or could it have been the result of many violent episodes? 523 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,680 And once again, the French media were back on the case. 524 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,400 All the media, all the TV stations. 525 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,240 One hundred and fifty journalists, who were all drooling like this, 526 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,400 "Aah! We're gonna sell papers. We're gonna sell papers." 527 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,520 It was horrible. Horrible. 528 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,160 I could see two groups forming. 529 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,400 On one side of the room, we had the Trintignant group 530 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,600 with Nadine Trintignant behind her dark glasses, 531 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,800 Vincent, the brother, 532 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,280 Roman, the son, her father, 533 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,360 Richard Kolinka, and Samuel Benchetrit. 534 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,920 I just came here to say, no, my son's mother was not hysterical. 535 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,200 It's not true because I lived with this woman. She wasn't like that. 536 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,960 This was murder. It was murder, not a crime of passion. 537 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,680 You'd never do this to someone you love. 538 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,360 On the other side was the Cantat group. 539 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,120 With Cantat's parents. 540 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,120 I don't feel very well, no. 541 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,360 But I'm holding on for my son. 542 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,920 Kristina Rady, Cantat's ex-wife, 543 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,280 and the band Noir Désir. 544 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,360 The atmosphere was extremely tense. 545 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,520 With good reason because Bertrand Cantat was facing 15 years in prison. 546 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,160 Bertrand Cantat was given a chance to speak at length today, 547 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,040 and he expressed his regrets. 548 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,280 He spoke again about his relationship with Marie Trintignant, 549 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,520 and about their love, which he described as all-consuming. 550 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,240 He also revisited the events of that sad evening on July 26th, 551 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,760 a tragic night that ended with him beating Marie Trintignant. 552 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,360 And then, he tried to explain at the trial, 553 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,280 how, for six long hours, he did not call for help for Marie Trintignant. 554 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,560 At the end of his hearing, 555 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,160 he turned to the family of Marie Trintignant. 556 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,480 He spoke directly to them while crying, and he said, 557 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,400 "I know they won't listen to me, 558 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,480 but I'd like to share my despair with them over this situation." 559 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,720 "It's unbearable for me to know how much they're suffering." 560 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,200 Some people won't admit the truth. 561 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,280 With no basis, they would like to think 562 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,760 that Bertrand Cantat wanted Marie Trintignant to die. 563 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,320 And I believe that this morning, the statements made at this hearing 564 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,800 have demonstrated that he never wanted this death. 565 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,320 In fact, quite the contrary. 566 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,080 It's easy to ask for forgiveness. 567 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,160 That's the least he could do. 568 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,520 I don't care about him being forgiven. Seriously, I don't give a damn. 569 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,360 All I saw was a coward. 570 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,800 He killed my mother. There are no excuses. 571 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,040 The least you can do is apologize to a child 572 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,080 when you kill their mother. That's what I think. 573 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,680 In the Cantat group, there was one highly anticipated testimony 574 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,240 that would be a deciding factor in the trial. 575 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,920 It was Kristina Rady, Cantat's Hungarian ex-wife. 576 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,400 She was there from the moment that he was arrested. 577 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,920 Tell us how you're feeling today. 578 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,200 I'm unhappy. 579 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,480 And Mr. Kiejman, who was the lawyer for the Trintignant family, 580 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,760 knew that she'd be very important. 581 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,360 Kristina Rady is somebody who really stands out. 582 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,000 She's a beautiful woman, 583 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,480 who is very sure of herself, 584 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,120 and although she's not originally from France, 585 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,800 she expresses herself in French with a lot of authority. 586 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,880 I don't want to talk right now. You must be able to understand that. 587 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,240 She was with Bertrand Cantat for almost ten years, more or less. 588 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,920 She's the mother of his two children. 589 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,800 She's the woman that he left for Marie. 590 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,160 She's the woman who was rejected, betrayed. 591 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,280 The separation from him that time in my life, 592 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,000 was, from my perspective, it was excruciatingly painful. 593 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,360 We have no idea what Kristina Rady will say. 594 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,680 And above all, everyone wants to know 595 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,520 whether Bertrand Cantat was violent towards her as well. 596 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,520 If he hit her. 597 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,600 What she said was going to be absolutely crucial to the verdict, 598 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,080 because we would know if Bertrand Cantat was or wasn't someone 599 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,800 who was inherently violent towards women in the past, 600 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,800 or if this was the first time. 601 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,320 When she reached the witness stand, she stood up… 602 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,720 and she said, straight from the witness stand… 603 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,360 "Bertrand Cantat never hit me." 604 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,080 Kristina was Cantat's wife and the mother of his children. 605 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,560 She said, "He never raised a hand towards me." 606 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,640 Mr. Kiejman, the lawyer for Marie Trintignant's family, insisted, 607 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,280 but Kristina was adamant, 608 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,920 "I could never have lived with an abuser." 609 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,160 Kristina Rady claimed that Cantat was not a violent man at all. 610 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,640 She came out in full support, defending Cantat, 611 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:25,480 claiming he was a man who was level-headed 612 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,000 and incapable of any acts of violence. 613 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,320 I am very supportive of women's rights, 614 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,760 so I could never have lived with a person who beat his wife, 615 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,280 or even somebody who didn't fully live up to the beliefs that he portrayed 616 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,480 to the general public. 617 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,080 For me, when I heard Kristina Rady, in that moment, 618 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,520 I thought to myself, "The debate's over. The case is closed." 619 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,720 MARCH 29, 2004 DAY OF THE VERDICT 620 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,120 This morning, the verdict from the Vilnius court 621 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,000 is in for Bertrand Cantat for the murder of Marie Trintignant. 622 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,800 We see anxiety in their eyes. 623 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,480 They've been waiting for this moment for eight months. 624 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,160 And the verdict is in. 625 00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:16,040 Bertrand Cantat has been sentenced to eight years in prison. 626 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,120 Eight years in prison. 627 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,840 To eight years for causing the death of his partner Marie Trintignant. 628 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,080 It's eight years in prison for Bertrand Cantat. 629 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,840 The singer is showing no reaction. He begged for forgiveness. 630 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,880 But these three judges decided that his guilt was indisputable. 631 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,280 Kristina Rady played a very significant role 632 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,920 when it came to reducing Cantat's sentence. 633 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,560 She played a huge role. 634 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,760 She fought, and she helped him. She did everything. Yeah. 635 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,720 But Kristina called me, by the way, for that very reason, 636 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:59,680 to, well, basically to ask for my help, 637 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,960 because she had helped him. 638 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,120 So then, that's what we did. We helped get him out. 639 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,360 We helped make sure that he spent as little time in prison as possible. 640 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,680 Kristina Rady, without her testimony, 641 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,000 the sentence for Cantat would have been much harsher. 642 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,680 When she described him as a man incapable of violence, 643 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,080 she reinforced the idea that the tragedy was accidental. 644 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,360 He was convicted of manslaughter, 645 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,400 but he could have gotten 15 years. He only got eight. 646 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,240 Eight years for the death of a woman is not enough at all. 647 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,560 It's a sentence that could be considered moderate, 648 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,080 but in Paris, the sentence would have been about the same. 649 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:49,320 And so that's why I ended up advising that Nadine not appeal the sentence. 650 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,000 I'm just so… devastated. 651 00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,160 Devastated. 652 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,440 Devastated. 653 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,560 If he spent 20 years in prison, what difference would it make? 654 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,720 That still wouldn't bring anyone back. 655 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,000 Her family and all her friends, what do we do? 656 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,320 How do we cope with it? 657 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,640 He took someone's life. 658 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:26,200 At the same time, he also destroyed lives. 659 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,560 How do we manage all of that? 660 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,080 Another horrible thing is that when she spoke out defending Cantat, 661 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,560 Kristina Rady put herself in grave danger. 662 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,000 2009 5 YEARS AFTER THE TRIAL 663 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,240 BUDAPEST HUNGARY 664 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,520 Please leave a message after the tone. 665 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,480 Hi, Mom, hi, Dad. It's Kristina. 666 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,080 I know that we haven't talked for a very long time. 667 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,560 Terrible things have happened since we last spoke. 668 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,040 Um… Bertrand's crazy. 669 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,360 If those horrible events back in 2003 didn't happen to me at that point in time, 670 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,960 well, it seems like they're happening to me now. 671 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:37,000 Yeah. 672 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,360 Kristina Rady left a message that was a cry for help. 673 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,640 This message was a cry for help. 674 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:47,080 Yeah, it's impossible for me to get out of this safely. 675 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,480 That's a message from a woman who's being terrorized, 676 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,760 who's afraid of dying.57031

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