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THIS SERIES CONTAINS DESCRIPTIONS
OF VIOLENCE THAT MAY UPSET VIEWERS.
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IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW IS A VICTIM,
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FIND RESOURCES AND INFO AT
WWW.WANNATALKABOUTIT.COM
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This is a damning report
for Cantat.
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The final conclusions
from Marie Trintignant's autopsy
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speak of multiple blows to the face
and a fractured nose.
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The theory that a slap
caused a fatal fall has crumbled.
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Bertrand Cantat
seems to have been lying.
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This is what we are now led to believe
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based on the autopsy of Marie Trintignant.
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The singer's account
that she fell onto a radiator
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has been disproven by the results.
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The actress appears to have been
the victim of a fatal beating.
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MARIE TRINTIGNANT'S EX-PARTNER
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You know, when they tell you that…
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that she was beaten to death,
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well, you start to imagine it.
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And plus, he's this guy
who has these enormous hands,
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like paddles, with huge rings.
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And that's when I went…
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I don't wanna think about that.
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But I'll tell you,
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I could've killed him.
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I can't get over it.
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You know, this is the kind of thing
that you never get over.
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It all repeats in your mind.
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I mean, really it's been terrible.
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ACTRESS AND MARIE TRINTIGNANT'S FRIEND
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AUTOPSY POINTS TO BERTRAND CANTAT
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The autopsy was released
by the press in mid-August.
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And for the first time,
Bertrand Cantat's image actually suffered.
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JOURNALIST LE POINT MAGAZINE
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CONDEMNS
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Marie Trintignant's nose
was crushed.
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It was literally shattered.
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She had lesions on her brain
and lesions on both optic nerves.
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JOURNALIST
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According to medical examiners,
she had shaken baby syndrome.
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And it was just
Cantat's bare hands that did this to her.
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He butchered her.
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This girl was slaughtered.
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Horrifying.
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Lithuania is already requesting
the autopsy of Marie Trintignant
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for investigative purposes.
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A French investigation was
also requested by the Trintignant family.
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The investigation
has been given to examining magistrate
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Nathalie Turquey
and Police Commissioner Jérôme Bonet.
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FORMER HEAD OF THE CRIME SQUAD
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Thanks to the autopsy,
we were able to rule out the theory of,
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"I hit her and then she had a bad fall,"
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but we didn't have the crime scene,
which would've been key for us.
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What could've happened?
What triggered the beating?
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We got authorization to go to Vilnius
to interrogate him.
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Bertrand Cantat…
he must give us some answers.
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FROM ROCK STAR TO KILLER
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EPISODE 2
A DEADLY PASSION?
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The examining
magistrate of this case
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arrived this evening in Vilnius.
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She arrived in Vilnius
with two officers from the crime squad,
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and in her luggage, she has
the autopsy report of Marie Trintignant.
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The magistrate has already asked
to meet with Bertrand Cantat
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and interrogate him
about the course of events.
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When we arrived in Vilnius,
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we got our luggage and received a warning,
"You'll see. It's crazy."
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And sure enough, we were harassed.
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We were caught
in an overwhelming swarm of cameras,
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and they followed us
all the way to the ambassador's car.
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We all jumped into the car,
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and got out of there
as quickly as we could.
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The stakes of this new hearing
were incredibly high.
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Because during the first hearing,
Bertrand had lied.
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It was so much more serious
than we could've ever imagined.
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And since Marie Trintignant's death,
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he'd been prosecuted
for first-degree murder,
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risking up to 15 years in prison.
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So, I wondered what he was going to say
to get out of it.
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AUGUST 21, 2003
SECOND HEARING
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Now that you are here
in the presence of these representatives
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of the French justice system,
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are you ready to make
your official statement?
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Yes, of course. I'm ready. Sure.
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The second hearing
had very high stakes for us.
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We asked new questions,
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and we really tried to encourage him
to tell us the truth.
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FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE CRIME SQUAD
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Since I was the head of the Crime Squad
at the time, I was in Paris,
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but it was Commissioner Bonet
who kept me informed about the hearing,
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which he followed closely.
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We interviewed Bertrand Cantat
on August 21st, in 2003…
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and we knew that, at this second hearing,
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we absolutely had to present him
with the autopsy results.
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Then his version of events changed.
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Mm-hm.
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He would like to know if you could
please show us exactly how you hit her.
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Well…
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I did very, very, very large big slaps
back and forth like this.
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Four or five or six of them.
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Like this and that,
and this and that, you know?
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-Mm-hm.
-And then, then maybe even more,
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because, like I was saying, at the time,
you know, I… I won't try it on you.
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No.
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No, don't.
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But it's true that they weren't gentle.
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They were big slaps,
and I was beside myself.
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Totally out of control.
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I wasn't myself in that moment.
It was like an out-of-body experience.
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And so, I… I slapped her really hard.
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They were like big slaps like this
with my rings on,
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so, the fact of the matter is
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the whole thing was really…
It was quite violent.
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Did you do it like this or more like that?
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-I don't really know.
-Uh-huh.
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Because the slaps just
sort of came out of me in that moment.
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Like that, without any sort of planning.
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I didn't think about how hard it would be,
but I know that it wasn't…
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They weren't like this.
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I know that the hits
definitely weren't as hard as that.
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Thanks to the autopsy,
we got a bit of a confession.
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It wasn't enough, it was incomplete,
but it was a confession.
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I… I can't.
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I… I just think…
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I still think that it was my fault.
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Sure, you can say
that we were both fighting,
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but still, I hit her.
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So, I take responsibility for the fact
that… that she died because of me.
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-What have I done? It was because of me!
-Bertrand Cantat
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admitted that it was his fault.
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And more than anything, he cried a lot.
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It's… It's absolutely awful. Terrible.
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And in fact,
at that point in time,
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the headlines said,
"Bertrand Cantat's poignant confession."
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The first words of the article
talked about Bertrand Cantat's tears.
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He was described as emaciated.
This is a man who killed a woman,
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but the tone of the article
is empathetic towards him.
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And that's exactly when he started
to turn the situation around.
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At a certain point, it was just a matter
of the fact that I was stronger.
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It was a problem that…
It completely overwhelmed me.
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It did. It completely took me over.
Yeah, it took over.
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During this second hearing, he was
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already on his way to prison,
if I dare say.
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And at that point,
Bertrand Cantat realizes,
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"I might go to trial and get convicted,"
so he starts to worry,
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and he tries to get out of it
by using several defense tactics.
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Narcissistic abusers
are dangerously clever.
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He will do whatever it takes
to make all suspicion fall elsewhere.
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Let's just say
things on her end escalated quickly,
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and I didn't recognize her.
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And so, already it was…
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Well, I couldn't recognize Marie.
She became someone else.
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There was something else wrong
before it escalated.
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At first,
Bertrand Cantat's defense
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played on the fact that Marie's behavior
could perhaps have been,
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I won't go so far as to say "provocative,"
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but he was making people question
if her behavior could have provoked anger.
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Of course, she was screaming too,
and then, she…
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she punched me right in the face.
She hit me.
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Mm-hm.
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Until then, I controlled myself,
but then I lost it.
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-Mm-hm.
-I had a split lip on top and other marks,
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but no one seemed to care.
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And I remember that the French lawyer
Bertrand Cantat had, Olivier Metzner,
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he came outside…
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…and he spoke to the press.
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Marie had never acted like that.
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It was foreign to him.
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And his strategy would change everything.
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Unfortunately…
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she hit him first.
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She punched me
before I hit back. She grabbed me.
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She grabbed him, and he fell.
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By that point, she had completely lost it.
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She lost control, and then he lost it too.
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The press started to speak
about that a lot.
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According to the lawyer
of Bertrand Cantat,
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Marie Trintignant provoked the singer
by taking a swing at him first.
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MARIE ALLEGEDLY HIT HIM
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And of course,
this made an impact on French citizens.
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IT'S NOT THE "EVIL MAN"
AGAINST THE "NICE WOMAN"
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TRINTINGNANT ASSAULTED CANTAT FIRST!
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The autopsy report was basically forgotten
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because the media just kept on repeating
the arguments made by Cantat's defense,
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which turned the 20 or so hits
that were received into self-defense.
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He said, "I jostled her slightly…"
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After the grief,
comes anger and outrage.
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The media became a battlefield
between two prominent lawyers.
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The one who defended the Trintignants
was Georges Kiejman.
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TRINTIGNANT FAMILY'S LAWYER
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He's a beast in the media.
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He's worked on the most
high-profile cases in France.
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The Trintignant family,
speaking through their lawyer Mr. Kiejman,
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gave their version of events today.
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"No, she was not
the one to hit him first."
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It is unbelievably unlikely
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to think that this small, young woman,
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1.65 meters tall,
weighing less than 60 kilos,
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could have pushed
and knocked him to the ground,
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this big guy, who's a real athlete.
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About 1.9 meters tall
and weighing 85 kilos,
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not to mention that he's trained
in several different sports.
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Marie was a tiny little thing.
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It's impossible that she could have
physically taken on Cantat
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in any sort of significant way.
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And yet, his intention was to use
the argument of self-defense,
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in which he was practically the victim.
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Poor Bertrand Cantat,
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who was pushed to the brink
to kill Marie without wanting to.
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And then, Bertrand Cantat
found a new way to defend himself.
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And of course, it's not
the most elegant way, to say the least,
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it's to smear the victim.
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So I just couldn't--
Well, I kept on trying to reason with her
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through counter-arguments, by saying,
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"Wait, you can't tell me that there isn't
some sort of an imbalance here,
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that there isn't a problem."
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And she kept saying,
"Go see your wife, go see your wife,"
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until she was completely,
well, hysterical.
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She was enraged, hysterical.
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He didn't think she could be like that.
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And she kept on being so hysterical,
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She kept fixating on,
"Go see that amazing woman. Go see her."
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This idea that Marie Trintignant
drove Bertrand Cantat crazy
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because she was hysterical
and pushed him to the edge,
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this story persisted
and was reported by the press.
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HYSTERICAL
HYSTERIA
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In an editorial,
we saw them write, "Words kill."
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WORDS THAT KILL
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"Words do more harm than hitting."
Or, "words that emasculate."
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EMASCULATE
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So Marie Trintignant's words hurt more
than the beating by Bertrand Cantat.
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SILENCE WORDS THAT KILL
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Frankly, it's shameful.
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Cantat had several more lines
of defense after that.
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Obviously,
he was trying to discredit the victim.
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I am not going to give any more attention
to Marie's alleged hysteria.
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It's the classic excuse from abusive men.
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Marie Trintignant's loved ones
were mourning at that time.
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They didn't want to speak publicly.
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So now, Georges Kiejman was on his own,
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which left more space
for people close to Bertrand Cantat.
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There is a spotlight on this case
because of their personalities…
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WRITER
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…and the dynamic between the two of them.
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I mean, we have to be careful
not to judge too quickly.
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Investigate conclusions,
and psychological profiles must be made.
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AN ALCOHOLIC WITH A HYSTERICAL WOMAN
IT HAD TO END BADLY
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SHE WAS A HYSTERICAL, ALCOHOLIC DRUG-USER
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IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY ANYTHING,
BUT IT PUTS IT INTO CONTEXT.
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MARIE HAD FOUR CHILDREN
FROM THREE DIFFERENT FATHERS?
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I'm not saying that I know her.
I don't know Marie Trintignant.
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JOURNALIST AND WRITER
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I can't say what she was like,
but what's key for Cantat is loyalty.
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He hasn't been married three times.
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-Wow. Come on, listen!
-I'm just saying…
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-You have to say these things.
-Ridiculous!
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-Why not? They're the facts!
-Listen!
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Personally, if I had to plead
in favor of Bertrand Cantat in Vilnius,
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I'd say it's more a tragedy than a crime.
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-Xavier Cantat, welcome.
-Good evening.
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You are the older brother
of Bertrand Cantat.
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You say that Marie's personality
is being rewritten,
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but she was capable of being excessive,
everyone knows that.
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Marie had many different lovers,
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and she had four children
with four fathers, not just three.
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So it doesn't do her image justice
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to portray her as some sort of
perfect little girl, which she never was.
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They're trying to make us believe
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that nobody ever saw her
get angry with anyone before.
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But I don't know. They never met her then.
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Thank you.
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Here's an example
of complacency from Thierry Ardisson.
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He hosts one of the most-watched shows
in France,
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and he decides to let on
the brother of Bertrand Cantat
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to destroy Marie Trintignant's image
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when she was just killed
by Bertrand's bare hands.
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Uh… so I knew that…
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NOIR DÉSIR'S FORMER TOUR MANAGER
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…that Marie Trintignant
was a person who was quite complex.
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I mean, after all, she was an actress,
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so she was very highly strung,
and she was a bit… not quite hysterical,
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but she had a temper.
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That's all.
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Defenders of Bertrand Cantat
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would have done anything
to minimize his responsibility.
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And this was even more evident during
Bertrand Cantat's last line of defense
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to connect his crime to his undying love.
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I loved her so much,
and she loved me so much.
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She attacked me too.
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Why did something like this
have to happen?
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It's something
I can't wrap my head around.
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I completely lost control,
and she lost control too.
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Both of us did in that moment.
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It's just such an insane turn of events.
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Everyone, if you speak to them,
if you ask anybody,
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everybody knows
how much we loved each other.
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Everybody knows how strong it was.
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I hope that when he is finally tried,
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it will be for something
that is closer to the truth,
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which is a crime of passion.
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Cantat's lawyers
tried to justify the incident
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by calling it a crime of passion.
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Without this excessive love,
this tragedy wouldn't have happened.
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Because under Lithuanian law,
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if the events
were categorized in that way,
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Bertrand Cantat's sentence
could be cut in half.
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LOVE - COUPLE - PASSION
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From there, the French headlines,
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they suddenly discussed it
as a crime of passion.
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A story of a love that went wrong.
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LOVE
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MARIE TRINTIGNANT
VICTIM OF PASSION
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PASSION
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TRINTIGNANT
A DEVASTATING LOVE
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PASSION
A TRAGIC COUPLE
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Everyone is calling it
an exceptional love story
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that became excessive.
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It's a beautiful love story
that took a bad turn.
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The crime itself seems passionate.
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This tragic act occurred in the middle
of a passionate, heated argument.
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BERTRAND WAS A VICTIM OF HIS PASSION.
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IT'S AWFUL FOR HIM TOO!
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What was the cause
that pushed both of them there?
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What was it that
exacerbated their passion?
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No. That doesn't exist.
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You don't kill out of love.
That's totally made up.
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People need to get that
out of their heads.
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You kill out of hatred.
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The only story
that was being told by the media
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was that it was a crime of passion,
and that she deserved it. Boom.
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Back in 2003,
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well, the newspaper headlines
called it a "crime of passion,"
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so I thought it was a crime of passion.
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I didn't understand at the time.
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Crime and passion.
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Those are two words that
just shouldn't go together. Period.
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The notion of a crime of passion
reflects a worldview, at that time,
335
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which is that a great love
must always end tragically.
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You get the impression
that the perpetrator
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is also a victim of his own passion.
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At the time, I was so outraged
by this type of treatment.
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And so, I spoke out in Marie's defense.
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Welcome to Tout le monde en parle.
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-Introducing Muriel Cerf.
-Hello, Thierry.
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-Do you know everyone?
-No, I don't.
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-All right.
-Hello.
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I don't know anyone here.
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-You must've heard of Lio.
-I've heard of Lio.
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You've published a book
with Écriture called,
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Bertrand Cantat
or The Song of the Automatons.
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So, in your opinion,
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the explanation that you give
for the crime of Bertrand Cantat
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is that the nature of passion
is violent, at its core.
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Exactly.
352
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The nature of passion depends on what
type of passion and how we perceive it.
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His love wasn't stolen from him.
He killed her.
354
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-Of course he killed her.
-Carry on because I'm interested.
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Look, we agree.
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-Really, I'm very, very interested.
-Cantat, he was madly in love with Marie.
357
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So my book is about passionate love
and what we do with it.
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I could only handle that conversation
by trusting what came out of my mouth.
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All I know is that to say
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that Marie was also somehow
responsible for her own death,
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-that passion and love killed her--
-What?
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No. Love does not kill people.
363
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I know that when Marie died,
the condition of her face was similar
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to a victim of a motorcycle accident
going 120 kilometers per hour.
365
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And those are the words of the doctors.
366
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-As long as women…
-But that's not it.
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…accept their fate as victims
in the name of love,
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we're fucked.
369
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Oh, you've been robbed of your love?
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But who's the one
who stole his fucking love?
371
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Marie died because he hit her.
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-Okay.
-Fine, you wanted to go there, but…
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During that show,
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the only discussion
was about the crime of passion.
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For me, that was the catalyst.
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I had to speak.
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It was insanely unjust.
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And after that, they humiliated me.
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I got dragged through the mud.
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At the time,
Lio was all the more courageous,
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'cause she did it alone.
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So, she ran the risk of them saying
that she was also hysterical.
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I didn't get what was at stake,
but no one understood at the time.
384
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I thought it was the right thing to do.
To defend Marie.
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During the second hearing,
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another accusation was made
against Bertrand Cantat.
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Something that really shocked me.
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After he completely butchered her
by beating her senseless,
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he then put Marie Trintignant to bed
and did nothing.
390
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The beating he gave her
and the fact that she was unconscious
391
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meant he should have called
for help right away.
392
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But that's not what happened.
393
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When I put her to bed…
394
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I wiped up her blood and she…
395
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She was asleep.
I patted her face, like this.
396
00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:56,120
But it's important to tell you
that she was a very deep sleeper.
397
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Especially when she first went to sleep.
398
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You could never wake her up
when she first went to sleep.
399
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I wasn't surprised I couldn't wake her up,
as you can imagine.
400
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She was sleeping deeply.
401
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What time was it?
402
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I can't tell you exactly,
but maybe 1:00 a.m.?
403
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,240
It's absolutely impossible
for someone to go to sleep…
404
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MEDICAL EXAMINER
405
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…after being the victim
of such an act of violence,
406
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and then, somehow,
find a way to sleep peacefully.
407
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,120
Think about a boxing match.
408
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,640
Think about how the boxer
falls down in the ring after being hit.
409
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He's not lying there
getting a nice and restful sleep.
410
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He's knocked out.
411
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,240
I saw all of her blood there
and everything,
412
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so I decided to clean it up.
I did. I cleaned all of it up.
413
00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,040
What a strange reaction.
414
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,040
I can't say that I've really seen this
any other time in my career.
415
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I was distraught.
I paced around in circles.
416
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,320
I didn't know what to do.
417
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,440
Either you flee, or you call for help.
418
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,800
But just staying put
and not doing anything?
419
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That's a bit strange.
420
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,400
I was distraught, and I thought to myself,
"Okay, I'll call Samuel."
421
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I mean, Benchetrit, her ex-husband.
422
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"I'll call Samuel."
I'm not sure where that came from.
423
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There was some part of me
that I can't even fully explain.
424
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,920
I don't know why I called Samuel,
but, well…
425
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,160
So what did we talk about?
426
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,040
We talked about
the children and other things.
427
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:31,360
He said, "Don't worry, Marie loves you."
428
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,800
When you're with someone
who doesn't wake up or is unresponsive,
429
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someone who's bleeding from their face,
430
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,880
it should be obvious
that you have to do something.
431
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After the call,
I went back into the bedroom.
432
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I thought, "Fuck, she has marks
on her face and everything. Holy shit."
433
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,120
It was… I thought to myself,
"She can't shoot like this."
434
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,440
You know,
if there's a problem with her face.
435
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,680
And I had this instinct to make a call
to Vincent Trintignant,
436
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,440
because he was the first AD on the film,
but most importantly, her brother.
437
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,760
So, I called Vincent.
438
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,640
But the person who picked up
was his Lithuanian girlfriend,
439
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who speaks French.
440
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,760
VINCENT'S EX-PARTNER
441
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It's 4:00 a.m.
Vincent's phone rings.
442
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I pick up the phone,
ask, "What's going on?"
443
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,520
And then Bertrand says to me,
"Pass the phone to Vincent."
444
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,240
He told me that,
"Something's happened, and it's awful."
445
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,400
That's the word he used.
I remember it clearly.
446
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,960
So, I woke up Vincent, and then he left.
447
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:36,360
He left.
448
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,280
Then Vincent arrived,
and he came up to the apartment.
449
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,400
He immediately said to me,
450
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,960
"Ah, but what…
What the hell did you both do?"
451
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,440
"What the…?"
He insulted me, etcetera. It was normal.
452
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,040
And how long did that go on for?
453
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:03,080
I can't tell you that either,
but it lasted a while.
454
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It went on for a while.
455
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,080
It might have been about
an hour and a half
456
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,320
Maybe two hours.
457
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,400
And I went back to see Marie
from time to time.
458
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,440
At that point, Vincent was convinced
that, well, that she was just sleeping.
459
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:27,480
What time was it when Vincent Trintignant
made a call to a doctor?
460
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,320
There was a point a little later on,
461
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,360
where at first we thought
she had a small cut on her mouth,
462
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,440
but it just kept bleeding,
and finally, we looked at each other
463
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,080
and knew we had to call a doctor
to see what was wrong.
464
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,360
-What time was this roughly?
-It must've been…
465
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,520
-What time do you think?
-It was sunrise, I think.
466
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,560
Bertrand Cantat?
He knows how hard he hit Marie.
467
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,760
He knows he hurt her
because she became unconscious.
468
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,120
But he didn't call for help.
469
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,160
Staying with the woman
that you're supposed to love
470
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,240
for seven hours after putting her to bed,
and doing nothing to help her,
471
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,280
any way you look at it,
472
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,200
this constitutes a failure
to help a person at risk.
473
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,200
No, I didn't intentionally
withhold help from her.
474
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,400
If I realized she needed it,
I would've gotten her help immediately.
475
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,280
In France, he probably would have received
a heavier sentence.
476
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:33,320
But in Lithuania,
no one charged him for that.
477
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,880
It's true that he was delayed
478
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,960
in calling emergency services
to get help for her.
479
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:42,960
PROSECUTOR
480
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,240
Perhaps, in that moment,
he wasn't able to fully grasp the danger.
481
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,640
So, we didn't charge Cantat with that.
482
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,640
But judging by the autopsy,
483
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,680
this act had to be classified as murder.
484
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,960
The prosecutor determined
that Bertrand Cantat committed murder.
485
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,040
From that point on,
486
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:09,560
it was decided that he'd be prosecuted
for first-degree murder.
487
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,400
The consequences for that are immense.
488
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,800
Bertrand Cantat,
still imprisoned in Vilnius,
489
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,560
will soon learn the extent
of the charges against him
490
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,080
and the date of his trial.
491
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,120
We learned this morning
that the trial of Bertrand Cantat
492
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,640
should start at the end of March
in Lithuania.
493
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,720
According to his lawyer,
494
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,280
the Noir Désir singer
will be tried for first-degree murder.
495
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,720
The indictment states
that Marie Trintignant
496
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,960
was physically struck 19 times.
497
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,440
At this stage now,
for committing homicide,
498
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,320
in Lithuania, Bertrand Cantat
could get up to 15 years in prison.
499
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,240
So, it's a lot.
500
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,240
The stakes are enormous.
501
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,880
MARCH
2004
502
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,280
8 MONTHS AFTER MARIE TRINTIGNANT'S DEATH,
THE TRIAL BEGINS IN VILNIUS.
503
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,440
After eight months,
504
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,440
Nadine Trintignant has returned
to see Bertrand Cantat face the judge.
505
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,400
Nadine Trintignant
and her son Vincent are here
506
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,160
to see Bertrand Cantat
receive a harsh sentence.
507
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,920
For them, there should be
no extenuating circumstances.
508
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,720
The trial will receive
a lot of media attention.
509
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,320
It doesn't start for two days,
510
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,080
but according to the crowd at the airport,
the battle is already underway.
511
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,000
It's obvious that Bertrand Cantat
512
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,320
never wanted or hoped
for Marie Trintignant to die.
513
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,040
He still mourns her to this day,
514
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,600
and he will provide
an explanation this week.
515
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,440
Bertrand Cantat's lawyer will focus
on the passion that united the couple.
516
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,160
The main goal of this trial, above all,
517
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,160
was to get more information
on the case file about Cantat.
518
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,680
Who was he really?
519
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,760
What I wanted to know
was if Cantat was a violent man or not.
520
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,440
With his former partners,
had he shown signs of violence?
521
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,480
Was Marie Trintignant's murder
a moment of madness,
522
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,720
or could it have been
the result of many violent episodes?
523
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,680
And once again,
the French media were back on the case.
524
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,400
All the media, all the TV stations.
525
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,240
One hundred and fifty journalists,
who were all drooling like this,
526
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,400
"Aah! We're gonna sell papers.
We're gonna sell papers."
527
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,520
It was horrible. Horrible.
528
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,160
I could see two groups forming.
529
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,400
On one side of the room,
we had the Trintignant group
530
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,600
with Nadine Trintignant
behind her dark glasses,
531
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,800
Vincent, the brother,
532
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,280
Roman, the son, her father,
533
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,360
Richard Kolinka, and Samuel Benchetrit.
534
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,920
I just came here to say,
no, my son's mother was not hysterical.
535
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,200
It's not true because I lived
with this woman. She wasn't like that.
536
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,960
This was murder.
It was murder, not a crime of passion.
537
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,680
You'd never do this to someone you love.
538
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,360
On the other side was the Cantat group.
539
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,120
With Cantat's parents.
540
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,120
I don't feel very well, no.
541
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,360
But I'm holding on for my son.
542
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,920
Kristina Rady, Cantat's ex-wife,
543
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,280
and the band Noir Désir.
544
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,360
The atmosphere
was extremely tense.
545
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,520
With good reason because Bertrand Cantat
was facing 15 years in prison.
546
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,160
Bertrand Cantat was given
a chance to speak at length today,
547
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,040
and he expressed his regrets.
548
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,280
He spoke again about his relationship
with Marie Trintignant,
549
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,520
and about their love,
which he described as all-consuming.
550
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,240
He also revisited the events
of that sad evening on July 26th,
551
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,760
a tragic night that ended with him
beating Marie Trintignant.
552
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,360
And then,
he tried to explain at the trial,
553
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,280
how, for six long hours, he did not
call for help for Marie Trintignant.
554
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,560
At the end of his hearing,
555
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,160
he turned to the family
of Marie Trintignant.
556
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,480
He spoke directly to them while crying,
and he said,
557
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,400
"I know they won't listen to me,
558
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,480
but I'd like to share my despair
with them over this situation."
559
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,720
"It's unbearable for me to know
how much they're suffering."
560
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,200
Some people won't admit the truth.
561
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,280
With no basis, they would like to think
562
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,760
that Bertrand Cantat
wanted Marie Trintignant to die.
563
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,320
And I believe that this morning,
the statements made at this hearing
564
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,800
have demonstrated that
he never wanted this death.
565
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,320
In fact, quite the contrary.
566
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,080
It's easy
to ask for forgiveness.
567
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,160
That's the least he could do.
568
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,520
I don't care about him being forgiven.
Seriously, I don't give a damn.
569
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,360
All I saw was a coward.
570
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,800
He killed my mother. There are no excuses.
571
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,040
The least you can do
is apologize to a child
572
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,080
when you kill their mother.
That's what I think.
573
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,680
In the Cantat group,
there was one highly anticipated testimony
574
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,240
that would be
a deciding factor in the trial.
575
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,920
It was Kristina Rady,
Cantat's Hungarian ex-wife.
576
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,400
She was there
from the moment that he was arrested.
577
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,920
Tell us
how you're feeling today.
578
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,200
I'm unhappy.
579
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,480
And Mr. Kiejman, who was the lawyer
for the Trintignant family,
580
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,760
knew that she'd be very important.
581
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,360
Kristina Rady
is somebody who really stands out.
582
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,000
She's a beautiful woman,
583
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,480
who is very sure of herself,
584
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,120
and although
she's not originally from France,
585
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,800
she expresses herself in French
with a lot of authority.
586
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,880
I don't want to talk right now.
You must be able to understand that.
587
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,240
She was with Bertrand Cantat
for almost ten years, more or less.
588
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,920
She's the mother of his two children.
589
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,800
She's the woman that he left for Marie.
590
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,160
She's the woman
who was rejected, betrayed.
591
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,280
The separation from him
that time in my life,
592
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,000
was, from my perspective,
it was excruciatingly painful.
593
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,360
We have no idea
what Kristina Rady will say.
594
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,680
And above all,
everyone wants to know
595
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,520
whether Bertrand Cantat
was violent towards her as well.
596
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,520
If he hit her.
597
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,600
What she said was going to be
absolutely crucial to the verdict,
598
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,080
because we would know
if Bertrand Cantat was or wasn't someone
599
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,800
who was inherently violent
towards women in the past,
600
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,800
or if this was the first time.
601
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,320
When she reached the witness stand,
she stood up…
602
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,720
and she said,
straight from the witness stand…
603
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,360
"Bertrand Cantat never hit me."
604
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,080
Kristina was Cantat's wife
and the mother of his children.
605
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,560
She said,
"He never raised a hand towards me."
606
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,640
Mr. Kiejman, the lawyer
for Marie Trintignant's family, insisted,
607
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,280
but Kristina was adamant,
608
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,920
"I could never have lived with an abuser."
609
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,160
Kristina Rady claimed that Cantat
was not a violent man at all.
610
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,640
She came out in full support,
defending Cantat,
611
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:25,480
claiming he was a man who was level-headed
612
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,000
and incapable of any acts of violence.
613
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,320
I am very supportive of women's rights,
614
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,760
so I could never have lived
with a person who beat his wife,
615
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,280
or even somebody who didn't fully live up
to the beliefs that he portrayed
616
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,480
to the general public.
617
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,080
For me, when I heard Kristina Rady,
in that moment,
618
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,520
I thought to myself,
"The debate's over. The case is closed."
619
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,720
MARCH 29, 2004
DAY OF THE VERDICT
620
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,120
This morning,
the verdict from the Vilnius court
621
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,000
is in for Bertrand Cantat
for the murder of Marie Trintignant.
622
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,800
We see anxiety in their eyes.
623
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,480
They've been waiting
for this moment for eight months.
624
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,160
And the verdict is in.
625
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:16,040
Bertrand Cantat has been sentenced
to eight years in prison.
626
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,120
Eight years in prison.
627
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,840
To eight years for causing the death
of his partner Marie Trintignant.
628
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,080
It's eight years in prison
for Bertrand Cantat.
629
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,840
The singer is showing
no reaction. He begged for forgiveness.
630
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,880
But these three judges
decided that his guilt was indisputable.
631
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,280
Kristina Rady
played a very significant role
632
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,920
when it came to reducing
Cantat's sentence.
633
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,560
She played a huge role.
634
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,760
She fought, and she helped him.
She did everything. Yeah.
635
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,720
But Kristina called me,
by the way, for that very reason,
636
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:59,680
to, well, basically to ask for my help,
637
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,960
because she had helped him.
638
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,120
So then, that's what we did.
We helped get him out.
639
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,360
We helped make sure that he spent
as little time in prison as possible.
640
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,680
Kristina Rady,
without her testimony,
641
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,000
the sentence for Cantat
would have been much harsher.
642
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,680
When she described him
as a man incapable of violence,
643
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,080
she reinforced the idea
that the tragedy was accidental.
644
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,360
He was convicted of manslaughter,
645
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,400
but he could have gotten 15 years.
He only got eight.
646
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,240
Eight years for the death of a woman
is not enough at all.
647
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,560
It's a sentence
that could be considered moderate,
648
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,080
but in Paris, the sentence
would have been about the same.
649
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:49,320
And so that's why I ended up advising
that Nadine not appeal the sentence.
650
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,000
I'm just so… devastated.
651
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,160
Devastated.
652
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,440
Devastated.
653
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,560
If he spent 20 years in prison,
what difference would it make?
654
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,720
That still wouldn't bring anyone back.
655
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,000
Her family and all her friends,
what do we do?
656
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,320
How do we cope with it?
657
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,640
He took someone's life.
658
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:26,200
At the same time, he also destroyed lives.
659
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,560
How do we manage all of that?
660
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,080
Another horrible thing is that
when she spoke out defending Cantat,
661
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,560
Kristina Rady put herself in grave danger.
662
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,000
2009
5 YEARS AFTER THE TRIAL
663
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,240
BUDAPEST
HUNGARY
664
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,520
Please leave a message
after the tone.
665
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,480
Hi, Mom, hi, Dad.
It's Kristina.
666
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,080
I know that we haven't talked
for a very long time.
667
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,560
Terrible things have happened
since we last spoke.
668
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,040
Um… Bertrand's crazy.
669
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,360
If those horrible events back in 2003
didn't happen to me at that point in time,
670
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,960
well, it seems like
they're happening to me now.
671
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:37,000
Yeah.
672
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,360
Kristina Rady left a message
that was a cry for help.
673
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,640
This message was a cry for help.
674
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:47,080
Yeah, it's impossible for me
to get out of this safely.
675
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,480
That's a message from a woman
who's being terrorized,
676
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,760
who's afraid of dying.57031