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[tense music playing]
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[Rowe] Brandvlei Maximum Security Prison
{\an8}in South Africa.
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Home to some of the country's
most violent gangsters.
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Murder, money laundering, kidnapping...
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But they aren't just any gangsters.
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Most of the men here
belong to the notorious Number Gangs.
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It's a hard place to love, man.
Not your mother's house, this one.
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They live by a violent code...
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My number requires
one of the wardens to also die.
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...which puts the guards here in danger...
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I was stabbed.
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...and threatens outsiders like me.
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We keep people murdering.
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My name is Raphael Rowe,
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and I'm spending a week
locked in this South African prison
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controlled by the Number Gangs.
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But it's not my first time behind bars.
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I was convicted in the UK
of a murder I did not commit
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and sentenced to life with no parole.
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It took me 12 long years to clear my name.
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Now I'm traveling the world
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to discover what life is really like
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inside some
of the world's toughest prisons.
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Cape Town, South Africa,
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a thriving coastal city.
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But on its outskirts are the Cape Flats,
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a relic of the apartheid era.
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People who were classed as colored
were forced to live here in poverty.
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And many still do now.
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It's become blighted by gang violence,
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with an average
of eight murders every day.
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[gunshots]
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It got so dangerous, the army was sent in
to try and restore order.
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Attention!
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Cape Town has one
of the highest murder rates in the world,
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and tonight I'm going
with their Anti-Gangs Unit.
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I'm joining the AGU,
who are raiding an armed drug gang.
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[shotgun clicking]
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[siren wailing]
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Captain Althea Jefra is leading the raid
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into one of the Flat's
most notorious neighborhoods.
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[Rowe] Do you often
come up against gangsters
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who themselves carry weapons
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and threaten your officers
with those weapons?
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[Jefra] Yes.
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A week and a half ago,
the area that we're going to now,
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a police officer was shot on duty
by gangsters.
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So it is a real threat.
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Game face.
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Into the place and close the door.
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They're telling people to get inside.
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There's over a hundred thousand
gang members in the Flat,
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fighting for control
over these neighborhoods.
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So what is that MG 13? Mongrel?
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-[man] Mongrel.
-Yeah.
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[Rowe] What are they doing
with these guys?
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Certain gangs have certain markings,
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certain abbreviations on their bodies.
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-You can see they're Mongrel gang.
-He has an MG tattoo.
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-That's Mongrel Gang.
-Correct.
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In this specific block of flats,
this is one gang.
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[dog barking in distance]
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That is a different gang.
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-This is his domain. He cannot move.
-Right.
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We head into one of the blocks of flats
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where they've received intelligence
that the residents are drug dealers.
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I'm Captain Jefra of the Anti-Gang Unit.
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I believe you have
a large amount of money here.
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How much money is in there again?
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[man] Wash powder money.
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-[Jefra] Wash powder money?
-Yeah.
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-[Jefra] I wanna buy washing powder.
-Sir, what are you out on parole for?
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[man] Murder.
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[Jefra] Can we go in?
I need you to remove your shirt.
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We need to see what gang markings
you have, sir.
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The man has numerous tattoos.
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Some from his street gang,
but one with a solitary number.
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-[man] 26.
-[officer] 26, yeah.
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The man that lives in the premises
is on parole for murder,
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and he has the number 26
marked on his body,
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which I assume means he is part
of the prison's Number Gangs.
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These men's lives are totally controlled
by the gangs they belong to.
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[man speaks Afrikaans]
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And if they end up in prison,
they simply swap their allegiance
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from their street gang to the prison gang
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they're affiliated with.
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The infamous Number Gangs.
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[door clangs]
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{\an8}Many of the men arrested
in last night's raid
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will eventually find themselves here,
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Brandvlei Maximum Security Prison.
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I'm sweating in the back of this truck,
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about to spend a week here
to find out what it's like
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being an inmate in a prison
dominated by the Number Gangs.
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As a foreigner, as a new prisoner
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who doesn't have any affiliations
to any of the gangs
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that run these prisons...
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I don't know
how they're gonna take to me.
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I want to find out
how this prison can operate
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when the gangs hold so much power.
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How do they maintain control of prisoners
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that have their own system,
their own hierarchy,
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their own rules,
their own way of doing things?
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How do the guards keep themselves safe
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and new prisoners like me?
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-[guard] Sir.
-Yeah?
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Men here are transferred from prisons
all over the Western Cape
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to serve out their very long sentences
for the most serious crimes.
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The simple fact that they need to not
only handcuff you, but ankle chain you,
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suggests that they're dealing
with hardened criminals
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who they take maximum measure to secure.
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Just follow our orders. Once I release
your hand, put it on your right knee.
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What is gonna take place now is,
we're gonna do a strip search.
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So you will need to remove
all your clothing.
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Just keep on your underwear.
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[Rowe sighs softly]
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What we're doing
while you are undressing,
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we are checking your body for tattoos.
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Turn around for me.
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Lift up your arms.
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The Number Gang,
as we have in South Africa,
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normally put gang tattoos on them.
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It is to identify who they are.
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-[Rowe] You can see I don't have tattoos.
-Yes, sir.
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So, there is no sign
that I am a member of a Number Gang?
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Yes. They call it in Afrikaans a frans.
So, it's non-gang member.
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So, my advice to you is,
don't go in there looking afraid,
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and follow the instructions.
Do what they say.
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Because as a non-gang member,
you are not allowed to do anything
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without them telling you what to do.
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It is the way they work.
They have a code of conduct.
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Code of conduct
that you have no control over?
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That we have no control over.
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Okay.
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I'm processed through the system
and allocated a unit.
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You've been identified to go to the unit
we call K-3.
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[Rowe] What can I expect in K-3?
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[Gerber] It's the unit
with the most active gang members.
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So, all of our offenders
that is related to the prison gang,
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they are all housed in that unit.
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I'm starting to feel increasingly nervous
about the reception I'm going to get.
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[Rowe] Who are
these Number Gang members?
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What will they expect of me?
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[Gerber]
This is the unit where you will stay.
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Before I'm assigned a cell,
I'm told to report to Mr. Hendry,
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the head of K-3 for orientation.
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Raphael Rowe.
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Tell me, do you belong to any gangs?
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[Rowe] No.
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-Not a gang member of any kind.
-[Rowe] Not at all.
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[Hendry] There are three main gangs here.
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The 26s, the 27s, and the 28s.
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There are certain...
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[sighs] ...rituals...
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that do take place
in South African prisons.
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You don't go into the room and just jump
on any bed you see there...
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take the bed for yourself.
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I can give you a bed
and say, "Listen, Raphael, sleep here."
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When I turn my back and lock,
they're gonna remove you from that bed.
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-Mm-hmm.
-They're gonna place you
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where they want you to sleep.
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You have no control
over their way of operating?
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We're trying our best to stop it, but...
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it's no use.
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Mr. Buetzengarke,
you can take him to room ten.
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I'm told every inmate in K-3
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belongs to one of the three factions
of the prison gang.
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The Number,
the 26s, the 27s , and the 28s.
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Stay away from prison.
This is a hard place to love, man.
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It's not your mother's house, this one.
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-[man laughs]
-[speaks Afrikaans]
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The guys are locked behind
these caged doors, these iron bars. Um...
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And I'm about to go into my cell
and meet my cellmates for the first time.
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I'll be sharing a cramped cell
with eight gangsters from the Cape Flats,
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all members of the Number.
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-[indistinct chatter]
-[prisoner yelling]
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[Rowe] Here?
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How you doing? I'm Raphael.
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I try to introduce myself
to my cellmates,
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but they totally blank me.
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I've never had a reception
like this before.
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Instead, my cellmates salute each other
with hand signals
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and hold a meeting in a strange language.
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[sighs] I have no idea what they're doing.
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I'm locked in the cell, and now these
guys are in complete control.
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-You speak English?
-Yes.
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Why you in prison?
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My name's Raphael.
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Raphael. Why you in prison?
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-I'm nobody.
-Nobody?
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What do you have?
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Money?
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Anything? Coat? Anything?
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-I don't have anything.
-You don't...
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-They took everything from me.
-They took everything?
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If we gonna search,
we gonna get anything,
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it's gonna be your own fault, captain.
[speaks Sabela]
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Pants. Now gonna talk to you.
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What I've told them seems to be reported
back to two of my cellmates,
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Lee and Curtis,
who now want to talk to me.
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You sit here. You don't talk much.
When I speak, you just answer.
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-Okay.
-[speaks indistinctly]
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-So, your name is Raphael?
-Raphael.
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From where are you outside?
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-I'm from England.
-From England?
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-From London.
-From London.
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I see you got a nice pair of Takkies on.
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Because I see you didn't bring
with nothing, man.
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They took all my belongings.
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All your belongings?
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I don't have property,
only a pair of tracks they bought.
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Yeah, but you are so stupid.
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Think about the people
who are gonna come get them.
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-I didn't have a chance.
-It's not chance.
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We'll talk later, me and you.
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Way I see, you got nice Takkies,
everything is nice.
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[Curtis]
What size Takkies do you wear?
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-8.
-It look like your size.
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-It's my size.
-Let me see these.
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These Takkies look very nice, yeah.
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-They're a new Takkie.
-This Takkie look nice.
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This feels like it's more
than just robbing my trainers.
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They want to humiliate me.
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[Lee]
Does look like your size.
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-Would you mind if I take these Takkies?
-Put this on.
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-I would mind.
-[Curtis] Would you mind?
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-[Lee] Put this one on.
-You would mind?
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[Lee] This is not a thing of asking.
We are taking those Takkie.
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Because you know why?
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You are a white guy,
and you got lot of money.
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You can start on that Takkie.
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You don't have any say here.
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You understand?
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I do understand.
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We will take your life,
even if it's for a pair of Takkies.
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-[Rowe] I understand.
-Yeah.
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So everything is all right now?
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I'm not happy, but I understand.
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You have to.
We don't care about your feelings.
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We two, we are the 8s.
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-We are the head of the 8s.
-Okay.
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If you don't make problems,
I won't make problems.
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-I don't make problem.
-Then it's fine.
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00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,640
[Lee] You must make your own bed.
245
00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,920
I'll help you
to show you what is going on.
246
00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,600
Lee and Curtis are the 28s
running the cell,
247
00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:32,200
and it doesn't look like they're going
to give me an easy time.
248
00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,120
The only thing you're gonna survive
is with money.
249
00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,000
I know white people. They got money.
250
00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,880
-[Rowe] I'm not white.
-It's easy.
251
00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,640
-[Curtis] You're not white?
-[Rowe] I'm not.
252
00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,320
My father is Black. My mama is white.
253
00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,440
So, you only look white, but you...
Inside, you Black.
254
00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,760
-True.
-Oh, okay.
255
00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:49,680
[Lee] Come.
256
00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,240
This... look, is your bed.
257
00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,080
You will sleep here.
258
00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,240
Once Lee has assigned me a bed,
259
00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,000
I'm introduced to the other Numbers
in the cell.
260
00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,400
-This is Troubles.
-[Rowe] Mm-hmm.
261
00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,080
This is a 26.
262
00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,560
He's here for seven lifes.
263
00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,000
He's also here for murder.
He's from Wasbank.
264
00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,240
-You see him?
-Mm-hmm.
265
00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,920
The guys are obviously trying to bully me,
266
00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,600
and I'd be lying
if I said I wasn't intimidated.
267
00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:16,880
[Lee] This guy...
268
00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:18,880
this is Klope.
269
00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,400
-[Rowe] Mm-hmm.
-[Lee] He's 27s.
270
00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,000
[Rowe] Mm-hmm.
271
00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,480
He's notorious guy.
A hitman from Manenberg.
272
00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:27,280
-Mm-hmm.
-[Lee] You see?
273
00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,480
You see how this guy,
this guy think maybe we look like him.
274
00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,320
He's a white guy, yeah, my bro.
275
00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,240
They're making it pretty clear
that I'm not one of them.
276
00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,520
-You hear what this guy say?
-[Rowe] Mm-hmm.
277
00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,320
You say, "Mm-hmm."
278
00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:43,680
Look how you look now.
279
00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,080
Are you gonna tell the wardens
we took your Takkies?
280
00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,000
-[Rowe] Of course not.
-Are you sure?
281
00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,800
I'm not gonna tell anybody anything.
282
00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:57,240
My cellmates, who have numerous
murder convictions between them,
283
00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,040
have got a task for me.
284
00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,880
You're gonna...
You see, today is your first day.
285
00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,640
You're gonna wash up
few of clothes here of ours, man.
286
00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,680
-[Rowe] You want me to wash this?
-[Lee] Wash everything on you.
287
00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,600
Everything you're gonna wash today.
288
00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:12,880
Teach you how to wash clothes
with your hands.
289
00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,040
[indistinct chatter]
290
00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,440
I'm put in my place as the washing boy.
291
00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,720
So, I'm being intimidated.
292
00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,600
I'm being asked to do things.
293
00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,680
I'm kind of complying with what the guys
are asking me to do for now.
294
00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,800
[Curtis] Dry off them
when you finish them.
295
00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,400
If you are frans, then you do that for us.
296
00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,760
[Rowe] If I'm the what?
297
00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,000
[Troubles] If you are frans.
298
00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:47,560
Listen what I'm saying. If you don't have
a stamp on you like 26, 27, 28...
299
00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,120
-[Rowe] Okay.
-You see?
300
00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,760
If you don't have a stamp,
then you do that for us.
301
00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,280
But if you do have a stamp,
then we don't do that with you.
302
00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,960
Then you are one of us. You see?
303
00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,720
That's how it work in prison.
304
00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,480
As a non-gang member, or a frans,
305
00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,360
it looks like
I'm at the bottom of the pile.
306
00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,360
[Lee] You're gonna make a phone call.
307
00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,160
Give you the account number
your people must send money
308
00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,040
into my people's account outside.
309
00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:15,440
We gonna survive, so...
310
00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,400
And if I don't?
311
00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,240
There's not a thing of don't.
312
00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,920
-You know what I mean?
-I do, yes.
313
00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,960
Clearly, I've got three options.
314
00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,880
Pay for protection,
become a member of a gang,
315
00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,040
or get pushed around like a servant.
316
00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,000
[Rowe] Prisons I was in
in England...
317
00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,800
[Lee] This is not England.
This is South Africa.
318
00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,440
Everyone in this room, we just...
319
00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,520
We just keep people murdering.
I don't have time with this.
320
00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,400
Can I finish with this stuff, yeah?
Because I see you talk a lot, man.
321
00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,440
[urine flowing,
toilet flushes]
322
00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,200
[Rowe]
I think they're testing me.
323
00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,040
And I'm not gonna say no
to their challenges
324
00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,840
because it would just provoke them
into disliking me,
325
00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,640
I don't need them disliking me
on the very first minute
326
00:15:58,720 --> 00:15:59,960
I walked in the door.
327
00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,760
It's only the end of my first day,
and if this is the life of a frans,
328
00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,240
I can see why so many
join the Number Gangs.
329
00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,080
{\an8}The next morning, I'm relieved
the guys are paying me less attention
330
00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,200
as they get ready for breakfast.
331
00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,640
[Rowe]
Everybody's taking their turn.
332
00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,680
They'll file out, get some breakfast.
333
00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:28,920
And that's how the day starts.
334
00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,640
I'm looking forward to getting out
of this cramped cell
335
00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,400
and getting some fresh air.
336
00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,120
[indistinct chattering]
337
00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,200
You get your breakfast and eat there,
or you got to eat here?
338
00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,160
[prisoner] No, you eat in here.
339
00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,000
[Rowe] You've never been able
to eat outside?
340
00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,400
[prisoner] We are the maximum security
341
00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,360
'cause we a lot of killers in.
342
00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,080
They see us like dangerous people.
343
00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,800
-[Rowe] But are you?
-Are we dangerous people?
344
00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,320
Okay. I'm talking about myself.
I am a dangerous person.
345
00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,160
I don't like to be friends with them
because they are not my friends.
346
00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,080
According to my number.
347
00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,640
We're searched for weapons
just to go out and get breakfast.
348
00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,840
And within moments,
we're locked up in the cell again.
349
00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,960
[electronic music plays]
350
00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,360
[Rowe] Why's your tray bigger?
351
00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,160
That means you get more than me.
352
00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,480
Because I ask the guy.
353
00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,920
Because I ask the guy for more.
I don't like eating small, man.
354
00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,480
Sitting down for breakfast
with my cellmates,
355
00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,000
I want to learn more
about the weird initiation
356
00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,200
they put me through yesterday.
357
00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,880
May I ask you a question?
When I first came in here yesterday,
358
00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:44,680
you were talking
359
00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:47,360
in a language I've never heard before.
360
00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,800
It wasn't Afrikaans. It wasn't English.
What was the language?
361
00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,960
When you were having a conference,
362
00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,480
-what was that language?
-It's called... Sabela.
363
00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:56,960
[Rowe] What is Sabela?
364
00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,600
Is it a special language?
365
00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,000
It's the language that you learn
in the Number.
366
00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,160
-[Rowe] It's a Number Gang...
-Number Gang.
367
00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,200
[Rowe] Oh, really.
368
00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,080
So, if I'm not a Number,
you can't speak that.
369
00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,680
You don't learn that... that language.
370
00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,640
So, when my man was coming to me
371
00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,320
and asking me questions, and he was
coming back and reporting to you...
372
00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,680
-He was like asking you who are you?
-Yeah.
373
00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,240
-We wanna know who are you inside prison.
-Okay.
374
00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,680
-And why is that important?
-It's the way you'll earn your respect.
375
00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,760
If me and Troubles is having a fight,
376
00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,040
Curtis must...
He must have the ability to stop us.
377
00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,800
And when he speak,
immediately, we have to listen to him.
378
00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,760
He's the highest rank,
and we're under him.
379
00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,040
You're the highest ranked here?
380
00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:44,000
True.
381
00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,120
-[Lee speaks Sabela]
-In the 28s.
382
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,600
You have ranks in Numbers?
383
00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,640
Yeah, ranks in Numbers
from soldier to up.
384
00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,520
I can see my cellmates
have various tattoos
385
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:59,200
with stars or lapels
that look like military insignia.
386
00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,320
How do you rise through the ranks?
387
00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,480
Is it what you... Is it your diplomacy?
Is it because you're good at negotiating?
388
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,240
[prisoner] Just a moment.
389
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,640
Raphael, when you talk about the Number,
390
00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:13,080
you must be very careful
391
00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,560
-what you say about the Number.
-[Rowe] Mm-hmm.
392
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,560
[prisoner] The things you are asking...
393
00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,320
-[Rowe] Mm-hmm.
-...that's confidential things, okay?
394
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,280
You mean questions about...
395
00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:25,080
-The Number.
-[Rowe] Mm.
396
00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,040
If it weren't for the Number...
397
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,560
even the wardens would not have
the control they have over the prison.
398
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,000
[Lee speaks Sabela]
399
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,760
Because of the Number,
400
00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:38,560
you see the discipline you see.
401
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,120
You see the order you see.
402
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,520
Like the laws they have in their books,
we have laws also.
403
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,760
Each and every one of us,
404
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,440
we grew up in this thing.
405
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,000
We are not going to let go that easily
406
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,200
of what we know or what we have.
407
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,000
You don't want people
to understand those things...
408
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,880
No, it's not a matter
of I don't want them to understand.
409
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,320
It's for his own safety.
People get killed for those things.
410
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:08,880
Challenge or the disrespect.
411
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,840
My cellmates,
like all the men in this unit,
412
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,040
are extremely dangerous.
413
00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:19,400
But if they all belong to the same gangs,
414
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,600
why can't we go outside
to associate and eat?
415
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,800
When you want the guard to come over,
you call him chief.
416
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,280
Chief! You mind? Chief?
417
00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:31,840
Can I speak to you a minute?
418
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,000
[prisoner chuckles]
419
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,640
-Good day.
-Good day. Uh...
420
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,840
They're never able to go out there and sit
at those tables and eat their food.
421
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:42,760
Why is that?
422
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,560
It is better for us to handle ten inmates...
423
00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,280
than to handle all 60 of them.
424
00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:51,280
[Rowe] Okay.
425
00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:54,240
Maybe some of them have a problem
with a guy that side.
426
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,040
But you didn't know.
427
00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:59,200
-Go stab him or whatever he was doing.
-Mm.
428
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,760
[guard] And know what will be
the outcome of that?
429
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,160
They will come back on us.
430
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,400
On the staff?
431
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,040
They will come back on us.
432
00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:10,160
Prisoner's not gonna just walk out
of a cell and stab a guard for no reason.
433
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,640
In 1995, they stabbed me without a reason.
434
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,840
-You were stabbed?
-No other... I was stabbed.
435
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,240
I was passing the grill.
He stabbed me through it.
436
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,560
I ask him, "Why do you stab me?"
He said, "You are the closest."
437
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,680
We did say, "Wrong place, wrong time."
438
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,080
Yes.
439
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,240
But they all know,
if you join the Number...
440
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,760
sometimes your one year
can become 20 years.
441
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,240
So, that is the decision
that they all make for themselves.
442
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,280
The only time the dangerous prisoners
here get outside
443
00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:49,360
is when they get short exercise sessions.
444
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,560
Breakfast over, and I'm being taken out
445
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,400
with another cell for a game of cricket.
446
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,840
[inmates chattering,
yelling indistinctly]
447
00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:04,600
[Rowe] One guy there, he's, um...
He's got tattoos all over his face and...
448
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,360
Oh, he's coming over to me.
449
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,840
Hi. How're you doing? You all right?
450
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,360
Fine. How are you doing?
451
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,320
-I'm Raphael.
-Okay, I'm Masalino.
452
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,120
Masalino? Okay.
453
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,040
[Masalino] In prison,
they call me Graveyard.
454
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:17,760
-Graveyard?
-[Masalino] Ah.
455
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,560
-Graveyard?
-Graveyard, yeah.
456
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:21,840
[man exclaims]
457
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,080
-You play cricket?
-I...
458
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,880
-Yeah, I can play cricket.
-Okay.
459
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,000
I'm not saying I'm good but I can play.
460
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,000
-Okay.
-Yeah?
461
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,960
-[Masalino] Come.
-[Rowe] Okay.
462
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,080
Guy's name is Raphael, oh, ne?
He also want to play cricket, man.
463
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,520
[upbeat music plays]
464
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,400
[man yells]
465
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,320
His nickname, tattoo face,
is "The Graveyard."
466
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,640
It's not that hard to work out
that Masalino's part of the prison gang.
467
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,480
He's got the number 28
tattooed on his forehead.
468
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,880
I want to show him how. Raphael?
469
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,600
Just let me show you.
470
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:55,600
First...
471
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,600
I don't have power
in the shoulders anymore.
472
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,120
-No. How come?
-No.
473
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,080
-I'm old.
-[laughing] You're old!
474
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,920
I'm getting old. It's hard work.
475
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,120
Oh, that's fast.
476
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:11,960
[all cheering]
477
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,920
[Masalino] Raphael!
478
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,320
[Masalino chuckling]
479
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,280
How long is your sentence now?
480
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:23,280
Life.
481
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:24,400
You're doing life?
482
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,720
-What did you do?
-Many crimes.
483
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,880
Murder, money laundering,
kidnapping, attempted murder.
484
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,720
-[whistle blows]
-All that stuff.
485
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,920
And what was your previous sentence?
486
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,280
I was here for 12 years.
487
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,080
-What was that for?
-Murder.
488
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,240
Who did you kill?
489
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,280
My uncle.
490
00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,120
-You killed your uncle?
-Mm.
491
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,960
And who did you kill this time?
492
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,480
Oh, other gang member.
493
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,440
So, you've committed two murders? Or more?
494
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,360
More. More, more.
495
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,760
My cases, what they got is 24 cases.
496
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,480
-Twenty-four murder cases?
-Mm-hmm.
497
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,840
-How did you kill people?
-With guns.
498
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,400
-You shoot people?
-Shoot people.
499
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,400
So, in prison, you're a 28?
500
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,480
I'm a 28, yeah.
501
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,600
What rank are you?
502
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,800
I am a colonel-general.
503
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,920
I have many stars.
504
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,240
Got six-six.
505
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,440
-You have the same on the other side?
-Yeah.
506
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,640
And what does that mean? That's your rank
as general? Colonel-general?
507
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,880
[Masalino] Yeah.
508
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,840
How do you get to the rank of colonel?
509
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,480
Obviously, you must take blood.
510
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,080
-In prison?
-Yeah.
511
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,200
The blood of who?
512
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,400
The warders.
513
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,520
And maybe other brother of mine,
514
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,840
he hit the 26 or 27.
515
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,760
-They have a fight.
-Now they fight, and there is blood.
516
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:43,800
[Rowe] Okay.
517
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,440
Now, ne, since there's blood,
that blood must be refill.
518
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:49,360
[Rowe] Okay.
519
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,920
I have to take a knife or something
520
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,320
and stab a warder.
521
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,720
That's the only thing
that's gonna make things right.
522
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,920
It seems bizarre. Why the wardens,
who are not involved in the Numbers?
523
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,080
Why do they become the target of blood?
524
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,320
That is the way it is.
525
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,480
That's the way it is.
526
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,960
Masalino's the first person
to speak to me
527
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,600
about why the men in the gangs
stab random guards.
528
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,440
I'm guessing he can do that
because he's managed
529
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,160
to get to the rank
of colonel-general in the Number.
530
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,960
[Rowe] And what he's had to do
to get to where he is today
531
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,200
is shocking, really.
532
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:27,840
In order to...
533
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:34,440
move up the ranks, or in order to revenge
the blood spilling of one of their own,
534
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,400
in order to keep the peace,
they have to draw the blood of a warden.
535
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,120
It makes me wonder
how the wardens here feel,
536
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,160
working alongside prisoners
537
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,040
who might stab them
at any moment for no real reason.
538
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,480
[evocative music plays]
539
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,360
After just half an hour outside,
540
00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,000
I'm back in the cell where we'll spend
the next 23 and a half hours
541
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,440
of the day.
542
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,280
The claustrophobia is unbearable.
543
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:08,040
All we've got is a crackly TV
that we can't control
544
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:11,680
and a game called Stokes
drawn on a bed sheet.
545
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,960
[indistinct chatter]
546
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,080
[prisoners chattering]
547
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,640
-[Lee] Take him.
-[Rowe] Both?
548
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,800
-[prisoner 1] Both.
-[Lee] You take him. Both.
549
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:23,840
[prisoner 2] Killed him.
550
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,040
-[prisoner 3] Now kill.
-Who did I kill?
551
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:28,200
-You killed me.
-You are wanted by him.
552
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,720
-[Lee] You are wanted.
-I'm going to get you.
553
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,760
-[Lee] You are wanted.
-[Troubles speaks Sabela]
554
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,120
-[Curtis] First time in prison?
-[Rowe] I was in prison
555
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,800
in England, murder and robbery.
556
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,040
And this robbery, did you use a gun?
557
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,160
Can I explain this once?
558
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,200
Whether you believe me or not
is entirely up to you.
559
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,400
-Okay.
-[Curtis] We can hear if you lie.
560
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,920
[Rowe] You can hear if I'm lying.
561
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,800
Fine. That's fine.
You can judge me how you want.
562
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,440
-But I was accused...
-Ah.
563
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,760
-...of being part of a gang.
-[Lee] Ah.
564
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,680
-Not here in South Africa, but in England...
-[Lee] Okay.
565
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,880
-...that was involved in robberies...
-[Lee] Ah.
566
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,160
...of very rich people.
567
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,200
And we ended up getting taken to court...
568
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,480
convicted, and sentenced to prison...
569
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,200
for life.
570
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,800
For the murder and robberies.
571
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,440
And then after 12 years...
572
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,280
they found evidence
that proved I didn't do it.
573
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,080
-[Lee] Mm.
-[Curtis] But what about all your pain
574
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,320
that you went through?
575
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,040
12 years, he's missed 12 years.
576
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,800
It's not 12 days or 12 hours.
577
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,760
Does anybody care about your pain in here?
578
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,240
Now the men know my history
as an ex-prisoner,
579
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,600
they're finally beginning to accept me.
580
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,160
All of us here is Numbers.
581
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,640
This whole room, you the only frans here.
582
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,960
So, we have to decide now
what position you can be put in.
583
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,360
But does it have to be like that?
Is it the only way?
584
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,840
Sooner or later,
you have to make a decision.
585
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,600
To yourself. To... To survive.
586
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,840
Most of us come in here,
we don't go out again.
587
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,320
These guys seem happy enough
in a cell together.
588
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,440
So, why can't they just get along
without being in a prison gang?
589
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,440
We also have gangs...
590
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,000
outside that we belong to.
591
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,560
Like me, I'm American outside.
592
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,840
-[Rowe] Is that another gang?
-Yes, many gangs outside.
593
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:33,520
We fight outside.
594
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,480
You see, over turf, smuggling...
595
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,520
You see, in prison, we are brothers.
596
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,600
[Curtis] Outside, this is
a whole different story.
597
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,160
Even after you've lived
the same experience in prison?
598
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,040
Even after 20 years
we were together here,
599
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,320
if I catch him outside,
I will kill him.
600
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:01,520
It seems like the Number binds these men
together against the authorities.
601
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,680
No matter how much
they hate each other on the outside,
602
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,560
they leave their grudge
at the prison gates.
603
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,040
It's my third day here,
604
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,440
and I'm being sent to work
in Brandvlei's medium security unit,
605
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,360
where my cellmates could be transferred
606
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,160
if they don't get involved in the gang
violence organized by the Number.
607
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,800
[indistinct chatter]
608
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,280
This is feeling very different
from the maximum security side.
609
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:33,800
[yelling]
610
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,080
Unlike the brand-new maximum facility
I've just come from,
611
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,320
the medium looks like
it hasn't been updated for decades.
612
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,080
[indistinct chatter]
613
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,240
In the maximum, is well-maintained.
614
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,640
-[men yelling indistinctly]
-This is worn.
615
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,040
You know, and they kind of make do
with what they have.
616
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,200
Um, but it has a different atmosphere.
617
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,520
In comparison to being locked up
618
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,120
for 23 and a half hours a day in K-3,
619
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,040
here, inmates are given free run
of the prison grounds for most of the day.
620
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,760
It's like a makeshift cinema.
621
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,720
While I'm waiting for my work duty,
I get confronted by an inmate.
622
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,000
I'm gonna ask, who are you?
What are you doing here? Here, like here.
623
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,320
[Rowe] Why do you ask that?
624
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,160
-This is my work to find out who are you.
-[Rowe] Okay.
625
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,600
So that I can go tell the others
who are you.
626
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,960
-[Rowe] Okay.
-Understand?
627
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,920
I'm the 27, and this is my 28.
He's my friend.
628
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,000
Okay.
629
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,840
We are gonna leave you for today.
Is all right? We will come again.
630
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,400
-Ne? Yeah.
-Okay.
631
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,960
What I've noticed here, even in medium,
632
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,360
is the moment I stand anywhere
633
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,080
and just relax, I get approached,
634
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,360
and on occasions, I felt uncomfortable
635
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,440
because I look into the face of a guy,
and he looks at me,
636
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,720
and his first question is, "Where are
you from? What are you doing here?"
637
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,640
So, even though this place is different,
it has a less tense atmosphere,
638
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,440
it's not free of the Number
ideology, culture, and behavior.
639
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,560
Men here are transferred
from the maximum unit
640
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,840
only once they have shown
they are willing to abide by the regime.
641
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,960
Eight-five percent of them go to work,
642
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,520
and the medium feeds the whole
of the prison complex
643
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,000
from its 6,000 hectares of farm land,
where I'll be working today.
644
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,920
-[prisoner] That is the maximum prison.
-[Rowe] I've been there.
645
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,760
Driving past the maximum
on their way to work
646
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,800
is a daily reminder of what
they've earned from their good behavior.
647
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,320
I was there three years, six months.
648
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,600
-[Rowe] Three years, six months?
-From my 14 years here.
649
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,200
-But it's tough.
-It's tough there, yeah, inside.
650
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,640
[Rowe] Beautiful scenery.
651
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,560
I mean, if you've been in prison
for a number of years,
652
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,320
and then you earn the right
to go into the medium center...
653
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,760
[truck rattling]
654
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,480
...as noisy and as bumpy as it is,
655
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,560
it's a privilege.
656
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,960
[upbeat music playing]
657
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,160
This is what they're producing.
658
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,440
Loads and loads of carrots.
659
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:23,920
-[prisoner] Sir?
-[Rowe] Yes?
660
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,320
[prisoner] Break the carrots.
661
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,960
-[Rowe] Break the carrot?
-Yes.
662
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,360
[Rowe] You harvest, they break?
663
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,680
Which is the easiest job then?
664
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,480
The easiest... There's no easy jobs.
665
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,920
[Rowe] Good answer.
666
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,760
-No easy job.
-[Rowe] Good answer.
667
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,480
-[prisoner] Yeah.
-[Rowe] I'm with you.
668
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,320
Convicted robber,
Senador, has been allowed
669
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,560
to work on the carrot fields
for seven months now.
670
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,520
What am I doing here then?
You just...
671
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,680
-You just break that.
-Just like this?
672
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,120
How many of these crates
have we gotta fill up?
673
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,080
I think they said today's a hundred.
674
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,960
[Rowe] A hundred of these crates?
675
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,280
What are...? What is your prison
sentence at the moment?
676
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,760
And what time are you doing now?
677
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,240
I'm doing five, five years for robbery.
678
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,160
-[Rowe] 5 years for robbery.
-At any time, I'll be out of prison.
679
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,520
You're almost coming
to the end of your sentence.
680
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,240
Actually, I've had enough of this life
now, you understand?
681
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,840
'Cause I've been in and out,
682
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,640
and I have tried before also
to change, but...
683
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,160
it was too hard for me,
but this time I'll really make a change.
684
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,800
Why do you really believe
that you've changed this time
685
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,560
and not just saying that?
686
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,040
By accepting my Lord Jesus Christ
as my Savior.
687
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,480
I'm gonna make an honest living outside.
688
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,440
Will people employ people
like you outside?
689
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,480
Well, in most of the times,
it's very hard for people to accept one,
690
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,360
especially when you have these marks
on you and these tattoos, but...
691
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,600
[Rowe] Which mark?
692
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,680
Oh, right.
So you've got "Son Op Salute Twenty-six."
693
00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:59,880
-[Senador] Yeah.
-[Rowe] Okay.
694
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,320
"They hate me for my pride,"
and all this stuff.
695
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,760
They say, by the hospital,
they can remove it again, make it clear.
696
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,600
Yeah. Would you do that?
697
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,640
I would. I will apply to do it, yeah.
698
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:13,600
[Rowe] You'd like to do it,
but you don't know if you can...
699
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,440
I'm not sure if I can do it,
but I'm gonna check.
700
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,360
I'm no longer a slave. I'm a child of God.
701
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,040
In the prison gang, they remember me
702
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,360
as one of their brothers, but I say
to them I am no longer one of them.
703
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,320
Senador is the first person I've met
who wants to leave the gang.
704
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,040
Can you leave?
705
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,320
Can you just stop being one
if you want to just stop being one?
706
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,760
I'm not willing to talk
about this stuff right now.
707
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,280
-Understand?
-[Rowe] Okay.
708
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,200
[Senador] Is a waste of my life.
709
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,800
I want something good
for my life on one day.
710
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,840
[Rowe] And only you can do that.
No one can do it for you.
711
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,360
I wonder if the Number Gang
will ever allow Senador to leave,
712
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,240
and what life has in store for him
when he gets back to the Cape Flats.
713
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,120
[calm music playing]
714
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,840
The next morning in medium,
715
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,560
and I'm told to assist a fellow inmate
on his daily duties.
716
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,440
[guard] Bradley!
717
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,240
Where's Bradley?
718
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,640
-[guard] Good day, ne?
-What is it?
719
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,480
-How are you?
-Pleased to meet you.
720
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,520
[guard] He's going to assist you
with your daily duties.
721
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,320
Okay. This is the way
we put on the uniform.
722
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,920
-You got it correct.
-Have I?
723
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,920
You look like a new one, a newbie
that just arrived.
724
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,400
Everybody does this to me. This must be...
725
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,560
[Rowe] So, do you have a single room,
or are you sharing?
726
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,160
[Bradley] We're in a big room.
727
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:52,920
Bradley's been in medium for seven months
728
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,000
and is a frans,
or a non-gang member, just like me.
729
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,720
[Bradley] Forty-eight in total.
730
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,280
-[Rowe] 48?
-Yeah, 48.
731
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,160
-[Rowe] Okay.
-This is my bed.
732
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:05,000
-[Rowe] Wow, 48 in each cell.
-[Bradley] Yeah.
733
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,840
And I thought my cell in maximum
was cramped.
734
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,200
At least most of Bradley's day
is spent outside,
735
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,160
calling inmates for meetings
with officials and councilors.
736
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,680
[Bradley] These are the lists I get daily.
737
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,520
Uh, for psychology,
social worker, parole board.
738
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,760
Do you wanna...
Can you pronounce that name?
739
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,360
[Rowe] What's that name there?
740
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,080
[Bradley] Ampendulo Yakelo?
741
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,280
Ampulo Yakelo!
742
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,960
Ampendulo Yakelo?
743
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,600
-Becoming South African, you've got that...
-[Rowe] He's coming.
744
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,880
[Bradley] Uh, Ampendulo Yakelo?
Is he here?
745
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,560
Ampendulo Yakelo!
746
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,640
[man speaking indistinctly]
747
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,720
[speaking foreign language]
748
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,480
-[Bradley] He's outside.
-Ah.
749
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,560
I normally just shout like a mad thing.
750
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,200
Ampendulo Yakelo!
751
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,160
-Yes?
-You're on the list for a social worker
752
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:54,640
for tomorrow, Mr. Moore say.
753
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,840
Don't forget your appointment
tomorrow morning.
754
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,600
-Okay.
-Thank you, Mr. Yakelo.
755
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,320
Bradley sticks out like a sore thumb.
756
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,800
But it looks like he's been able
to find a way to do his job
757
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,240
without hassle from the gangs.
758
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,120
[Bradley] Me coming from a different life,
middle to upper class life...
759
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,720
-[Rowe] Okay.
-...not, um...
760
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,960
Not a Number.
761
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,440
Um, me also being a bit light in color,
et cetera,
762
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,440
was extremely difficult.
763
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,680
At the end of the day,
it took, um, a lot of...
764
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,560
[sighs] ...money, definitely money.
765
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,640
-Really? You had to buy...
-Yeah, definitely.
766
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,720
I had to pay for protection,
If you wanna put it in simple words.
767
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,480
Yeah, but how did you navigate
the challenge of more than one person
768
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,760
wanting what you could provide?
769
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,200
There's a simple routine.
770
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,240
If you go to the shop once a month,
and I'll just buy, um,
771
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,200
tobacco, tobacco, coffee, coffee,
sugar, sugar, creamer, creamer.
772
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,400
-That's it.
-Oh, okay.
773
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,720
-So you bought two of everything.
-Correct.
774
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,320
-And did it work?
-Yes.
775
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,680
I'm alive, yes.
776
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,520
And I wasn't forcefully... whatever,
molested, et cetera, whatever.
777
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,320
You were never physically beaten.
You were able to buy your way out.
778
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:05,760
[Bradley] Buy my way out.
779
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,840
To survive as a frans
in these prisons and avoid violence,
780
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,840
inmates like Bradley choose
to strike a deal.
781
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,680
He's been able to navigate around
becoming a Number
782
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,800
because he's been able to buy himself
out of being beaten
783
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,000
or bullied
or having his belongings taken away.
784
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:41,560
Today, I'm back in maximum.
785
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,160
I want to talk to Curtis,
786
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:47,760
who's shown a tough exterior
while I've been living with him.
787
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,600
But something about the way
he carries himself
788
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,240
makes me think his rank in the Number
789
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,680
is weighing heavily on his shoulders.
790
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,760
Are you from the Cape Flats?
791
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,360
I did grow up in the Cape Flats.
792
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,160
You are serving a very long sentence.
793
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:03,440
Twenty-five years.
794
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,880
What did you do to get 25 years?
795
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,920
My case is murder
796
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,240
and robbery
with aggravating circumstances.
797
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,920
There's one thing I notice,
if you don't mind me saying.
798
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,960
I sense something
in your facial expression
799
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,720
that... that is almost worry...
800
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,960
because of your rank in the Number.
801
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,640
Because of the responsibility
that rests on your shoulders.
802
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:33,080
For example, two guys,
two Number guys, get into a fracas.
803
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,080
One punches the other one.
His nose bleeds.
804
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,480
You have to make a decision.
805
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,720
You're part of that decision processing.
806
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,760
-Mm.
-[Rowe] Because of your rank.
807
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,280
And the decision has to be,
blood has to be taken from the guard.
808
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:48,200
[Curtis] True.
809
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,840
To be honest with you,
there is already a situation.
810
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,360
Five years back when I came here,
811
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,800
an inmate took a padlock,
and he beat this warden.
812
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,040
It was on the unit were I was sleeping.
813
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,760
[inmates chattering, laughing]
814
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,680
The 28 gang member that
launched this vicious attack
815
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,720
later died from injuries he sustained
during the incident.
816
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,000
As of yet, there's been no retaliation
817
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,720
-from the 28s in this prison.
-[barking]
818
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,000
A 28 was beaten to death.
819
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,560
Unfortunately, my Number requires
820
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,680
one of the wardens to also die.
821
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,360
Who is going to do that?
822
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,880
That is something
that is now upon my responsibility
823
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,320
because I was present.
824
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,000
It is still hanging like a cloud
825
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,040
over the 28s here by this prison.
826
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,880
It seems mad.
827
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,040
If Curtis gets involved
in this revenge killing,
828
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,200
he'll likely spend the rest
of his life in prison.
829
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,120
And if you don't do something, then...
830
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,920
Seeing that I did nothing...
831
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,720
I will be brought to book.
832
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,200
-[Rowe] By your Number?
-By my Number.
833
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,120
They have to take my blood.
834
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,800
If it comes to that point,
I will have to make that decision.
835
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,120
-Okay.
-And that is like a split-second decision.
836
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,000
-Okay.
-I go with it, or I don't.
837
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,080
I'm worried for Curtis.
838
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,760
He seems trapped by his duty
as a ranking 28.
839
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,480
[Rowe] He's reached
where he's wanted to reach.
840
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,760
But that comes at a price.
841
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:28,000
And right now, for him,
that price is the blood of a warden.
842
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,640
[crickets chirping]
843
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,280
Today, I want to understand
what it's like for the guards
844
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,520
who are under constant threat
from gang violence.
845
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,920
So, how long have you been working
in this establishment?
846
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,160
I've been at maximum for four years.
847
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:53,760
[Rowe] And what do you do?
What is your role?
848
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,440
[Gerber] I am a EST member,
849
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,160
so Emergency Support Team.
850
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:01,440
We are the specialized guys that come in
for specialized search operations,
851
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,800
um, riot control, cell extractions,
852
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,040
and stuff like that.
853
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:10,320
Gerber has to manage the gangs
on a daily basis.
854
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,560
[inmate yelling]
855
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,520
What do you see
as the biggest challenge in this prison?
856
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,320
The biggest challenge that we are facing
857
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,840
is working with the offenders that we have
that is involved in the Number Gang.
858
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,640
We are facing violence every day
at any moment.
859
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:28,440
We never know when it will happen.
860
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,440
One of the threats here is that,
I think 5 or 6 years ago,
861
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,240
there was quite a dramatic incident
862
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,520
where a prisoner lost his life. There was
a conflict between prisoners and guards.
863
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,320
What's your knowledge of that?
864
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,880
That some of them gang members that was
involved that day is still in our center.
865
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,800
So, the way that they see to fix it,
866
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,200
is to draw the blood
of one of our officers.
867
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,240
And we look out for it every day.
868
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,000
Because you never know
when something can take place.
869
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,520
What does it feel like
to be under that threat?
870
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,200
You just try to go by it day by day,
871
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,880
not thinking about it too much
because if you do,
872
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,760
it's gonna eat you up from inside.
873
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,280
And you're gonna have a mental breakdown
874
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,840
somewhere along the line.
875
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:17,600
What can be done
to break up this hierarchy
876
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,120
and everything
the Number Gangs represent?
877
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,160
Well, to be honest with you...
[chuckles]
878
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:25,920
...I don't think we will ever succeed
in breaking it up.
879
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,920
But what we can do and what we're doing
at the moment as well
880
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,520
is implementing gang management,
881
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,160
splitting up members
that need to make the decision.
882
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,480
If, let's say,
the decision is to draw blood
883
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,440
of a correction officer,
884
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,080
they can make that decision
885
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,720
and make it happen
before we have the information.
886
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,320
For the moment, at least,
887
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,320
it looks like the regime is dealing
with active members of the Number
888
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,200
by isolating them in small groups
889
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,360
so they can't conspire as easily.
890
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,880
But there are some members of the gang
who are so dangerous,
891
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,800
even this tightly run prison
can't hold them.
892
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:10,480
These men are held in isolation here,
893
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,680
Ebongweni Super Max,
894
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,720
the most secure prison in South Africa.
895
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,480
I'm here to meet George Thomas.
896
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,160
As a reported leader of the 28s,
897
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,880
he was found guilty
of numerous gang-related crimes
898
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,080
and seven murders.
899
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,080
Some of those he killed
were due to testify against him.
900
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,640
And he was found guilty
of organizing their assassinations
901
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:39,440
through his gang connections
from inside his prison cell.
902
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,320
Now he's serving multiple life sentences
in this concrete room,
903
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,200
designed to throttle his influence
over the Number Gang.
904
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,280
[ominous music playing]
905
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,800
Come sit next to me.
-[Rowe] Okay.
906
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,400
I've read lots of things,
907
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,840
been told lots of things
about George Thomas.
908
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,560
I was not an angel.
909
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:08,880
[Rowe] No.
910
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,160
When did you first start
to get involved in crime?
911
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,880
I was just an ordinary kid.
912
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,240
And then I became involved
with the gangs.
913
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,440
There was other gangs there.
914
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,440
They got...
915
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,600
two houses where they smuggle.
916
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,360
We went to that house one night.
917
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,960
I think we were carrying
an R4 rifle assault gun,
918
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,800
three nine-millimeter Z-88s
919
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,200
and a hand grenade, and we attacked them.
920
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:42,080
And then we shot some of them.
921
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:43,880
[Rowe] Shot them dead?
922
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,080
We shot nine.
923
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,040
-[Rowe] Dead.
-We shot 9.
924
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,320
I'm not sure how many died there,
but we shot nine.
925
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,080
George has been in and out of prison
all his life.
926
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,480
Tell me about your tattoos, why you had,
you know, your face tattooed,
927
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,600
and your neck and your body.
928
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,320
When I came to prison
in the apartheid years, ne,
929
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,200
we have a lot of time on our hands.
930
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,920
That is how we start to tattoo each other.
931
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,680
George's tattoos tell the dark story
of his climb
932
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,680
up the ranks of the Number.
933
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,680
[Rowe] So, you took the Number rank
very seriously.
934
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,960
[George] I was inspector that time.
There's no higher rank.
935
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,840
I think in 1994, 1995,
936
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,400
we stabbed 27 warders.
937
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:34,440
27 warders?
938
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,080
Twenty-seven warders.
939
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,680
-On Brandvlei at that time.
-Why?
940
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,520
Because of the circumstances
that time inside prison.
941
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,120
They didn't listen to our complaints.
942
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,360
And besides, the 28 Gang,
943
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,840
it was just an organization
944
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,600
that stems out of the system
of the apartheid years.
945
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,720
But now, the majority of the wardens
are just like you.
946
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,640
They suffered
in the same way as you.
947
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:05,160
-They went through apartheid.
-I agree. That's why I'm saying.
948
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:08,960
I don't agree with what is happening now.
949
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,320
Because after democracy, we can talk.
950
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,000
You know, you are in this concrete tomb.
951
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,440
As a 28 general...
952
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,320
what influence do you still have
from this...
953
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:26,160
tomb?
954
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,880
-[George] Inside or outside?
-Both.
955
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,400
I am still in contact
with a lot of my friends.
956
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,400
But mostly now,
I'm trying to encourage them
957
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,880
to move away from the old ways.
958
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,240
Even George Thomas,
959
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,840
the highest ranking gang member I've met,
960
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,880
seems to be turning his back
on the Number's violent code.
961
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,840
He admitted that he...
962
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,840
was able to influence
and can still, if he wanted to,
963
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,440
influence people outside.
964
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:06,680
Only now, he said the message he's sending
out from inside is a positive one.
965
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,400
I suppose the big question is,
has he changed?
966
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:11,800
Or is he still...
967
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,040
a very influential and dangerous man?
968
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,640
{\an8}I want to ask the governor if the prison
can ever make a positive difference
969
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:26,160
to the men's lives
970
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:30,440
when so many of them
are still controlled by the Number Gang.
971
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,160
The Numbers have their own structure
of how they go about doing their things
972
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:40,160
that is different from the regime
that you are trying to run here.
973
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:43,360
Does that make
rehabilitating prisoners harder?
974
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,440
Yes. But currently in South Africa,
975
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:51,120
the social economic systems,
poverty is the problem.
976
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,800
-There's no work outside.
-[Rowe] Mm.
977
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,080
Just for one example,
so now they will go to the gangsters
978
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,920
because somehow
he needs some food on the table.
979
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,760
And some of the offenders,
especially with gangsters,
980
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,320
it's mostly the offenders, uh,
who got nothing...
981
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,200
in life.
982
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,600
This maximum unit is a new facility,
983
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,320
and so, what's different now
to what went before?
984
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,320
There was no rehabilitation
at all in the past.
985
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,160
-Okay.
-Years back...
986
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,000
it was unlock and lock up.
987
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:27,160
Our system now, we have a lot of changes
in correctional services.
988
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:32,080
We move from more punitive
to a rehabilitative side.
989
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,920
Some of them will come and change.
They are not interested in gangster-ism.
990
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,600
-Then we take them out.
-[Rowe] Mm.
991
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,560
We actually take their hands
and try to rehabilitate them,
992
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,840
try to support them, to go out,
be law-abiding citizens again.
993
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,080
I've come to the end of my time
at Brandvlei prison.
994
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:54,120
[sighs]
995
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,680
Gang culture is an inescapable part
of prison life here in South Africa.
996
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,120
The Number may keep the peace
between rival street gangs inside,
997
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,240
but it makes it harder for the regime
to rehabilitate its inmates.
998
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,360
Eradicating it is an impossible task.
999
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,480
Once branded a 26, a 27, or a 28,
1000
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,680
that stigma will live with these men
for the rest of their lives.
1001
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,760
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