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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,414 --> 00:00:22,414 Provided by explosiveskull https://twitter.com/kaboomskull M_I_SForEver 2 00:01:52,992 --> 00:01:54,908 The grace and peace of God our Father, 3 00:01:54,992 --> 00:01:57,325 the Lord Jesus Christ, be with you all. 4 00:01:57,408 --> 00:02:00,867 We remember the birth of Robert Francis Kennedy 5 00:02:00,950 --> 00:02:03,450 and his rebirth into the new life 6 00:02:03,533 --> 00:02:05,450 of the kingdom. 7 00:02:05,533 --> 00:02:07,867 I was reading the beautiful statement 8 00:02:07,950 --> 00:02:09,658 on the monument here. 9 00:02:09,742 --> 00:02:12,033 "What we need in the United States 10 00:02:12,117 --> 00:02:13,992 is not division... 11 00:02:14,075 --> 00:02:15,325 What we need in the United States 12 00:02:15,408 --> 00:02:16,575 is not hatred..." 13 00:02:16,658 --> 00:02:18,242 What we need in the United States 14 00:02:18,325 --> 00:02:20,825 is not violence and lawlessness, 15 00:02:21,825 --> 00:02:24,408 but is love and wisdom 16 00:02:24,492 --> 00:02:26,492 and compassion toward one another. 17 00:02:33,992 --> 00:02:36,367 My father, Robert F. Kennedy, 18 00:02:36,450 --> 00:02:39,117 died on June 6, 1968, 19 00:02:39,825 --> 00:02:41,575 more than 40 years ago. 20 00:02:42,867 --> 00:02:45,825 I'm Rory, his last and 11th child. 21 00:02:48,533 --> 00:02:51,700 Because I was born six months after my father's death, 22 00:02:51,783 --> 00:02:54,533 I never had a chance to know him. 23 00:02:54,617 --> 00:02:57,408 I was raised by my mother, Ethel Kennedy. 24 00:03:07,450 --> 00:03:09,533 Forty years is a lot of time. 25 00:03:09,617 --> 00:03:12,367 Memories fade, and people grow older. 26 00:03:13,867 --> 00:03:17,408 I found myself wanting to tell my mother's story... 27 00:03:17,492 --> 00:03:19,575 about the life she shared with Daddy 28 00:03:19,658 --> 00:03:22,492 and the life she shared with us, her children. 29 00:03:22,575 --> 00:03:23,700 Here we go. 30 00:03:23,783 --> 00:03:25,367 A personal story, 31 00:03:25,450 --> 00:03:28,408 but because her life was intertwined with history, 32 00:03:28,492 --> 00:03:29,658 more than that. 33 00:03:31,242 --> 00:03:32,908 There was just one problem... 34 00:03:32,992 --> 00:03:36,658 Why should I have to answer all these questions? 35 00:03:36,742 --> 00:03:39,617 Uh, well, we're making a documentary about you. 36 00:03:44,575 --> 00:03:46,325 Such a bad idea. 37 00:03:46,408 --> 00:03:49,658 Luckily, I had my brothers and sisters to talk to, 38 00:03:49,742 --> 00:03:51,325 and there are a lot of them. 39 00:03:52,783 --> 00:03:55,700 My name is Kathleen Hartington Kennedy Townsend. 40 00:03:55,783 --> 00:03:57,533 Okay, are you comfortable in that chair? 41 00:03:57,617 --> 00:04:00,658 No. My ass is asleep, and my back hurts. 42 00:04:00,742 --> 00:04:02,117 If you can look at me 43 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:03,617 - when we're talking. - Oh, my God. 44 00:04:03,700 --> 00:04:05,450 - I know. I'm so sorry. - No, no, no. 45 00:04:05,533 --> 00:04:07,658 - No. Say it ain't so. - Don't. 46 00:04:07,742 --> 00:04:09,742 - You're doing so great. - Thank you. 47 00:04:09,825 --> 00:04:11,992 - I need a lot of encouragement. - Yeah, you're beautiful. 48 00:04:12,075 --> 00:04:13,950 If you could just give me a standing ovation 49 00:04:14,033 --> 00:04:15,575 every once in a while... 50 00:04:15,658 --> 00:04:17,867 You know, Mommy has said that she, of course, 51 00:04:17,950 --> 00:04:20,283 that she considered being a nun. 52 00:04:20,367 --> 00:04:22,950 But before she married Daddy, she... 53 00:04:23,033 --> 00:04:25,158 Of course, before she married Daddy. 54 00:04:26,617 --> 00:04:30,325 - Mommy had 11 children... - Wh... She only had ten children. 55 00:04:30,408 --> 00:04:31,950 No, she had 11 children. 56 00:04:32,033 --> 00:04:33,742 Kathleen, Joe, Bobby, David, Courtney, Michael, 57 00:04:33,825 --> 00:04:35,658 Kerry, Chris, Max, Douglas. 58 00:04:35,992 --> 00:04:37,075 Rory. 59 00:04:37,158 --> 00:04:39,908 Oh. Sorry, I always... I just always forget. 60 00:04:39,992 --> 00:04:42,783 This is what it's like to be the 11th. 61 00:04:42,867 --> 00:04:44,825 There are so many times in my life where people 62 00:04:44,908 --> 00:04:47,533 have said, "I want to introduce Robert Kennedy's daughter." 63 00:04:47,617 --> 00:04:49,700 Oh, makes me so mad. 64 00:04:49,783 --> 00:04:52,325 What about the one who delivered us 65 00:04:52,408 --> 00:04:53,742 and carried us for nine months, 66 00:04:53,825 --> 00:04:56,658 and that has been with us the last 40 years? 67 00:05:01,242 --> 00:05:05,325 Mommy and Daddy met in the winter of 1945. 68 00:05:06,783 --> 00:05:09,533 Daddy's sister, Jean Kennedy, and I 69 00:05:09,617 --> 00:05:12,200 were in college together. 70 00:05:12,283 --> 00:05:17,075 Jean and I plotted that we would bring our families together 71 00:05:17,158 --> 00:05:19,450 on... on a skiing vacation, 72 00:05:19,533 --> 00:05:23,408 and went up to Mont-Tremblant in Canada. 73 00:05:25,950 --> 00:05:29,117 Grandma Kennedy came, as did my parents. 74 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,992 We skied in groups. 75 00:05:32,075 --> 00:05:34,200 I mean, there were always about, I don't know, 76 00:05:34,283 --> 00:05:37,783 at least ten or more of us skiing together. 77 00:05:39,158 --> 00:05:41,783 And did the Skakels and the Kennedys get along well? 78 00:05:41,867 --> 00:05:44,242 They did. And eventually... 79 00:05:44,325 --> 00:05:48,992 each of the Skakel boys took out each of the Kennedy sisters. 80 00:05:52,908 --> 00:05:55,783 Growing up, my mother and father had childhoods 81 00:05:55,867 --> 00:05:58,533 that were in some ways remarkably similar, 82 00:05:58,617 --> 00:06:01,075 and in other ways very different. 83 00:06:01,158 --> 00:06:02,617 Daddy was a Kennedy 84 00:06:02,700 --> 00:06:06,075 and grew up in a wealthy, large Irish Catholic family. 85 00:06:06,158 --> 00:06:08,825 The Kennedys were shaped by their culture, 86 00:06:08,908 --> 00:06:10,658 the Kennedys were shaped by their religion, 87 00:06:10,742 --> 00:06:14,367 and for them, that meant embracing the crowd. 88 00:06:14,450 --> 00:06:17,492 They were part of the fabric of the city. 89 00:06:18,992 --> 00:06:20,242 Mommy was a Skakel 90 00:06:20,325 --> 00:06:24,742 and also grew up in a wealthy, large Irish Catholic family. 91 00:06:24,825 --> 00:06:27,325 The Skakels were outdoors people, 92 00:06:27,408 --> 00:06:29,658 and that love of nature, 93 00:06:29,742 --> 00:06:32,408 that comfort with mountains and streams 94 00:06:32,492 --> 00:06:35,200 and rivers, the forest, outdoor adventure. 95 00:06:37,325 --> 00:06:38,867 They were the great individualists. 96 00:06:38,950 --> 00:06:40,825 They were not conformists. They didn't want to be part 97 00:06:40,908 --> 00:06:42,992 of something bigger than themselves. 98 00:06:44,742 --> 00:06:46,617 But whereas Daddy's father, 99 00:06:46,700 --> 00:06:48,950 Joseph Kennedy, went to Harvard 100 00:06:49,033 --> 00:06:50,408 and Daddy's mother, Rose, 101 00:06:50,492 --> 00:06:53,117 was the daughter of the mayor of Boston, 102 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,742 Mommy's father, George Skakel, was a self-made man 103 00:06:56,825 --> 00:07:00,117 who started off working for only eight dollars a week. 104 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,200 He worked for the railroad. 105 00:07:02,283 --> 00:07:04,867 And I don't know how he saved the money, 106 00:07:04,950 --> 00:07:07,200 but he started a coal company. 107 00:07:07,742 --> 00:07:08,867 It was amazing, 108 00:07:08,950 --> 00:07:11,867 because he hadn't been to college. 109 00:07:11,950 --> 00:07:14,200 Grandpa ultimately grew Great Lakes Carbon 110 00:07:14,283 --> 00:07:18,408 into one of the largest private family businesses 111 00:07:18,492 --> 00:07:19,867 in the United States. 112 00:07:24,033 --> 00:07:25,367 The Kennedy household, 113 00:07:25,450 --> 00:07:27,867 whether in Brookline or Palm Beach, 114 00:07:27,950 --> 00:07:29,617 was very disciplined. 115 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:34,658 Dinner was at 7:15, and it did not mean 7:16. 116 00:07:36,075 --> 00:07:39,200 The Skakel home in Greenwich was more chaotic. 117 00:07:41,867 --> 00:07:43,867 In our house, you didn't know 118 00:07:43,950 --> 00:07:45,325 whether you were going to have supper 119 00:07:45,408 --> 00:07:46,783 at 5:00 or at 10:00. 120 00:07:51,825 --> 00:07:54,450 My brothers were real rascals. 121 00:07:54,533 --> 00:07:57,825 For instance, they would take the train to New York, 122 00:07:57,908 --> 00:08:00,908 but they never rode on the inside of the train. 123 00:08:00,992 --> 00:08:03,575 They always rode on the top of the train. I mean... 124 00:08:04,325 --> 00:08:06,867 They made life really fun, 125 00:08:06,950 --> 00:08:09,575 and interesting, and a challenge. 126 00:08:09,658 --> 00:08:11,950 And they were plenty scary, too. 127 00:08:14,283 --> 00:08:17,367 Both families were very religious. 128 00:08:17,450 --> 00:08:19,742 Both families said evening prayer. 129 00:08:19,825 --> 00:08:23,408 All of our grandparents went to daily mass. 130 00:08:23,492 --> 00:08:25,533 The people of America are dedicated 131 00:08:25,617 --> 00:08:26,867 to the cause of peace. 132 00:08:26,950 --> 00:08:29,117 The Kennedys were staunch Democrats 133 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,367 and politically very active. 134 00:08:31,450 --> 00:08:33,908 The Skakels, on the other hand... 135 00:08:33,992 --> 00:08:36,950 My parents weren't bedrock Democrats. 136 00:08:40,408 --> 00:08:41,742 They were Republicans? 137 00:08:41,825 --> 00:08:44,533 Conservative Republicans. 138 00:08:44,617 --> 00:08:47,533 Did you have any consciousness of politics 139 00:08:47,617 --> 00:08:50,492 - when you were growing up? - No. None whatsoever. 140 00:08:53,325 --> 00:08:55,367 Both families were athletic. 141 00:08:55,950 --> 00:08:58,242 Mommy was a natural. 142 00:08:58,325 --> 00:09:01,075 Mommy is the most fiercely competitive person 143 00:09:01,158 --> 00:09:02,950 I have ever met in my entire life. 144 00:09:03,033 --> 00:09:05,242 Mommy competed in riding, 145 00:09:05,325 --> 00:09:08,742 competed in sailing, was really a champion. 146 00:09:08,825 --> 00:09:10,325 Daddy, on the other hand, 147 00:09:10,408 --> 00:09:12,783 was physically the smallest of his brothers 148 00:09:12,867 --> 00:09:14,742 and had to try a little harder. 149 00:09:14,825 --> 00:09:16,367 Daddy was regarded 150 00:09:16,450 --> 00:09:17,742 as the runt of the litter, 151 00:09:17,825 --> 00:09:18,950 but he was very tough. 152 00:09:19,033 --> 00:09:22,325 And when he went to Harvard, he worked his way up 153 00:09:22,408 --> 00:09:25,033 to first string on the football team. 154 00:09:25,117 --> 00:09:28,325 And he made it by showing up an hour early to practice 155 00:09:28,408 --> 00:09:29,783 and staying an hour late. 156 00:09:31,492 --> 00:09:33,325 Didn't he play the Harvard-Yale game 157 00:09:33,408 --> 00:09:34,742 to get his letter? 158 00:09:34,825 --> 00:09:37,867 Yes, and he had a broken leg. He had a cast on his leg. 159 00:09:37,950 --> 00:09:41,117 So, what does that say to you about Daddy's character, 160 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,408 that he was playing this game when he had a broken leg? 161 00:09:44,492 --> 00:09:48,117 He really wanted to get his letter. 162 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,117 Whereas Daddy liked to stick to the rules... 163 00:09:51,867 --> 00:09:53,450 Mommy liked to bend them. 164 00:09:53,533 --> 00:09:54,867 Mommy's a Skakel. 165 00:09:54,950 --> 00:09:57,033 And as a Skakel, she inherited 166 00:09:57,117 --> 00:10:01,367 a healthy disregard for authority in all its forms. 167 00:10:01,450 --> 00:10:05,367 As your mother, I probably shouldn't, uh, tell you this. 168 00:10:05,450 --> 00:10:09,450 But every morning at college, even at college, imagine that, 169 00:10:09,533 --> 00:10:13,533 from 8:30 to 9:00, I read the odds... 170 00:10:15,158 --> 00:10:17,408 ...about the racetrack. 171 00:10:17,492 --> 00:10:20,158 If only my tests had been on the racehorses 172 00:10:20,242 --> 00:10:21,867 instead of history. 173 00:10:21,950 --> 00:10:24,700 I would have really gotten an A-plus. 174 00:10:24,783 --> 00:10:26,992 Now you read the New York Times every day. 175 00:10:27,075 --> 00:10:30,700 Yes. I wasn't a very deep thinker. 176 00:10:30,783 --> 00:10:33,742 Like I am now. 177 00:10:33,825 --> 00:10:36,908 You and Aunt Jean got into a little bit of trouble. 178 00:10:36,992 --> 00:10:39,242 Uh... No, they never caught us. 179 00:10:39,325 --> 00:10:41,158 Okay, well, I have proof. 180 00:10:41,242 --> 00:10:43,075 You do not. 181 00:10:43,158 --> 00:10:45,783 - You do not. - I have the demerit book. 182 00:10:45,867 --> 00:10:48,117 Do you remember this demerit book? 183 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,658 I can remember a demerit book. 184 00:10:52,950 --> 00:10:55,908 I got censured for talking in assembly 185 00:10:55,992 --> 00:10:57,200 and chewing gum... 186 00:10:57,283 --> 00:10:59,408 ...and disorder in the tea room. 187 00:10:59,492 --> 00:11:01,492 This is ridiculous. 188 00:11:01,575 --> 00:11:04,575 We wanted to go to the Harvard-Yale game, 189 00:11:04,658 --> 00:11:08,242 but if you had racked up a certain amount of demerits, 190 00:11:08,325 --> 00:11:10,283 you... you were campused. 191 00:11:10,992 --> 00:11:12,283 So we took the demerit book 192 00:11:12,367 --> 00:11:14,408 and threw it down the incinerator... 193 00:11:16,325 --> 00:11:18,075 and went to the Harvard-Yale game. 194 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,158 So what happened on that skiing trip 195 00:11:24,242 --> 00:11:25,492 to Mont-Tremblant, 196 00:11:25,575 --> 00:11:28,492 when my mother and father met for the very first time? 197 00:11:28,575 --> 00:11:32,283 He was standing in front of a roaring fireplace 198 00:11:32,367 --> 00:11:33,867 in the living room. 199 00:11:33,950 --> 00:11:36,117 And what'd you think when you saw him? 200 00:11:36,533 --> 00:11:37,658 "Wow! 201 00:11:39,367 --> 00:11:40,242 Pretty great." 202 00:11:40,325 --> 00:11:41,325 - Really? - Yeah. 203 00:11:41,408 --> 00:11:43,492 - So, was it love at first sight? - It was. 204 00:11:43,575 --> 00:11:45,325 - Really? - It was. 205 00:11:46,867 --> 00:11:49,117 We made a bet right away 206 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,950 about who could get down the mountain faster. 207 00:11:52,033 --> 00:11:53,492 And who won? 208 00:11:53,575 --> 00:11:55,742 I'm not gonna tell you. 209 00:11:59,992 --> 00:12:02,075 And then, Daddy took a... 210 00:12:03,283 --> 00:12:04,367 left turn... 211 00:12:05,408 --> 00:12:08,658 and he started dating my sister, Pat! 212 00:12:10,908 --> 00:12:14,367 Oh, that was a black period. 213 00:12:14,450 --> 00:12:18,117 But at the time, I thought, "Well, no contest. 214 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:23,117 She's so pretty and so smart and so wonderful." 215 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,200 And so they went out for two years. 216 00:12:25,283 --> 00:12:27,158 - Ooh! Ouch. - Ooh! Ouch. 217 00:12:30,492 --> 00:12:32,700 Luckily, the Boston Post 218 00:12:32,783 --> 00:12:36,908 asked Daddy to cover the war of independence in Israel. 219 00:12:36,992 --> 00:12:40,783 And so, when he went off to what was then called Palestine, 220 00:12:40,867 --> 00:12:44,658 Pat found Luan Cuffe and fell in love with him. 221 00:12:44,742 --> 00:12:47,700 So that when he returned, Mommy could get him. 222 00:12:54,283 --> 00:12:56,783 ? Who can fight And fight till he wins? ? 223 00:12:56,867 --> 00:13:01,283 ? Kennedy can Kennedy can... ? 224 00:13:01,367 --> 00:13:05,117 Mommy's first exposure to politics came in 1946, 225 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,158 while she was still at Manhattanville College. 226 00:13:08,242 --> 00:13:10,992 Her roommate, Jean Kennedy, took her to Boston to help 227 00:13:11,075 --> 00:13:14,367 with my uncle Jack's very first campaign for Congress. 228 00:13:15,450 --> 00:13:17,533 That was really fun. 229 00:13:17,617 --> 00:13:19,450 We'd drive up to Boston... 230 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,200 and then lick stamps, 231 00:13:22,283 --> 00:13:25,242 and I thought, "This is so exciting!" 232 00:13:26,908 --> 00:13:30,867 We went house to house and talked to people. 233 00:13:30,950 --> 00:13:34,033 And why they would listen to a 17-year-old 234 00:13:34,117 --> 00:13:35,908 who knew nothing, I have no idea. 235 00:13:37,325 --> 00:13:38,908 But it was great experience. 236 00:13:38,992 --> 00:13:41,200 It was a room full of people 237 00:13:41,283 --> 00:13:45,575 who I had not exactly rubbed elbows with before. 238 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,033 A lot of minorities 239 00:13:49,117 --> 00:13:52,158 and financially challenged people. 240 00:13:52,242 --> 00:13:55,033 So, did you start thinking during this campaign of... 241 00:13:55,117 --> 00:13:58,658 They are faced with a lot of hardship and struggle, and... 242 00:13:58,742 --> 00:14:00,658 - Yes. - ...if government can help them, 243 00:14:00,742 --> 00:14:02,033 - that's a good thing? - Yeah. 244 00:14:02,117 --> 00:14:03,700 - Can you talk about that? - No. 245 00:14:03,783 --> 00:14:07,117 Oh! 246 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,992 All this introspection, I hate it. 247 00:14:11,867 --> 00:14:15,283 Her first love and her great love was Daddy. 248 00:14:15,367 --> 00:14:18,700 So whatever Daddy was, she was gonna like. 249 00:14:18,783 --> 00:14:22,950 She was not, uh, James Carville and Mary Matalin. 250 00:14:23,033 --> 00:14:26,283 She was... she believed that the woman stayed with the guy. 251 00:14:26,367 --> 00:14:28,575 And I think that being with Daddy 252 00:14:28,658 --> 00:14:32,200 certainly opened her up to other experiences, 253 00:14:32,283 --> 00:14:36,617 and she saw what a difference she could make. 254 00:14:49,742 --> 00:14:51,575 We got married in Greenwich, 255 00:14:51,658 --> 00:14:54,700 and it was a beautiful wedding. 256 00:14:56,533 --> 00:14:57,908 It was wonderful. 257 00:14:59,242 --> 00:15:01,867 And there were about 600 guests. 258 00:15:03,408 --> 00:15:06,200 And there were fountains of champagne. 259 00:15:08,658 --> 00:15:10,908 Lots of dancing, and lots of dogs... 260 00:15:10,992 --> 00:15:13,658 ...all over everything. 261 00:15:15,533 --> 00:15:18,617 And I think Daddy had 21 ushers. 262 00:15:20,117 --> 00:15:22,575 - He had a lot of friends. - Yeah. 263 00:15:32,450 --> 00:15:35,283 We went on our honeymoon in Hawaii, 264 00:15:35,367 --> 00:15:40,742 and then we went back to L.A. and bought our convertible 265 00:15:40,825 --> 00:15:42,742 and drove across the country. 266 00:15:42,825 --> 00:15:44,617 Just will-o'-the-wisp. 267 00:15:45,325 --> 00:15:46,575 We'd go to Montana, 268 00:15:46,658 --> 00:15:49,075 and then we'd go down to a southern state. 269 00:15:49,158 --> 00:15:51,783 We went wherever we had friends. 270 00:15:51,867 --> 00:15:53,992 It was a very happy time. 271 00:15:56,242 --> 00:15:58,742 In the book Robert Kennedy and His Times, 272 00:15:58,825 --> 00:16:01,408 the historian Arthur Schlesinger wrote this 273 00:16:01,492 --> 00:16:03,867 about Daddy's relationship with Mommy. 274 00:16:05,492 --> 00:16:06,658 "For Robert Kennedy, 275 00:16:06,742 --> 00:16:09,033 it was the best thing that could have happened. 276 00:16:09,117 --> 00:16:12,283 She awakened his sympathy and his humor, 277 00:16:12,367 --> 00:16:14,908 and brought him out emotionally. 278 00:16:14,992 --> 00:16:17,242 He never had to prove himself to her. 279 00:16:17,325 --> 00:16:20,242 Ethel gave him unquestioning confidence, 280 00:16:20,325 --> 00:16:23,867 unwavering direction, and unstinted love." 281 00:16:26,950 --> 00:16:28,825 They made their way back to Virginia, 282 00:16:28,908 --> 00:16:30,908 where Daddy was finishing his final year 283 00:16:30,992 --> 00:16:32,742 at the University of Virginia Law School. 284 00:16:33,950 --> 00:16:36,158 Mommy tried her hand at homemaking. 285 00:16:36,242 --> 00:16:38,242 I was really bad at it. 286 00:16:38,325 --> 00:16:40,992 Can you describe Mommy as a homemaker? 287 00:16:44,283 --> 00:16:45,825 No. 288 00:16:45,908 --> 00:16:48,867 She... she was a horrible cook. I remember one night, 289 00:16:48,950 --> 00:16:53,450 she put some Vaseline, like petroleum jelly, 290 00:16:53,533 --> 00:16:56,742 in a frying pan, and cooked bananas. 291 00:16:56,825 --> 00:16:59,408 That was not why he fell in love with her, 292 00:16:59,492 --> 00:17:00,658 her cooking. 293 00:17:01,450 --> 00:17:03,200 While at UVA Law School, 294 00:17:03,283 --> 00:17:05,367 Daddy headed the Student Legal Forum, 295 00:17:05,450 --> 00:17:09,492 an organization that brought important speakers to campus. 296 00:17:09,575 --> 00:17:12,908 One of the speakers he invited was Dr. Ralph Bunche, 297 00:17:12,992 --> 00:17:14,575 who was the first person of color 298 00:17:14,658 --> 00:17:16,533 to win the Nobel Peace Prize. 299 00:17:18,825 --> 00:17:22,408 At the time, UVA was still segregated, 300 00:17:22,492 --> 00:17:26,575 and much of the local community and student body were angered 301 00:17:26,658 --> 00:17:29,117 by Dr. Bunche's impending visit. 302 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,742 Everyone agreed that the... safest... 303 00:17:32,825 --> 00:17:35,408 Imagine having to use the word "safe." 304 00:17:35,492 --> 00:17:37,742 It was so appalling. 305 00:17:38,367 --> 00:17:39,533 Uh... 306 00:17:39,617 --> 00:17:43,492 The safest place for him to stay was at our house. 307 00:17:43,575 --> 00:17:45,825 And he was so charming and... 308 00:17:46,575 --> 00:17:47,867 non-complaining. 309 00:17:47,950 --> 00:17:51,117 But they did throw things at our house all night long. 310 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,533 It was so unthinkable and outrageous, 311 00:17:57,867 --> 00:18:00,700 but you got a little taste of what Black people 312 00:18:00,783 --> 00:18:03,825 in our country had to go through at that time. 313 00:18:03,908 --> 00:18:06,908 And I was glad I was married to Daddy, who had the courage 314 00:18:06,992 --> 00:18:10,075 and the forethought to have someone... 315 00:18:10,158 --> 00:18:13,158 of color speak at Charlottesville. 316 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:16,742 After graduating from law school, 317 00:18:16,825 --> 00:18:19,992 Daddy got a job at the Department of Justice. 318 00:18:20,075 --> 00:18:22,200 But he was there only briefly. 319 00:18:22,283 --> 00:18:24,908 Uncle Jack had decided to run for the Senate, 320 00:18:24,992 --> 00:18:27,408 and asked Daddy to manage his campaign. 321 00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:31,492 It was a major decision. 322 00:18:31,575 --> 00:18:34,367 He had felt he was just starting his own career 323 00:18:34,450 --> 00:18:38,033 and that he had to put it on the back burner. 324 00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:39,825 It was a big sacrifice. 325 00:18:40,783 --> 00:18:42,408 It was wonderful that he did it. 326 00:18:43,408 --> 00:18:46,658 And why did he make that choice? 327 00:18:46,742 --> 00:18:48,617 Oh, 'cause he loved his brother. 328 00:18:50,325 --> 00:18:53,575 Everybody in our family banded together to help, 329 00:18:53,658 --> 00:18:55,825 and Mommy did her part too. 330 00:18:55,908 --> 00:18:58,408 She and Aunt Pat and Aunt Eunice 331 00:18:58,492 --> 00:19:00,575 and Aunt Jean and my grandmother 332 00:19:00,658 --> 00:19:03,367 had famous tea parties across the state, 333 00:19:03,450 --> 00:19:05,158 and they would invite hundreds of women 334 00:19:05,242 --> 00:19:07,908 from the neighborhood, and people would come 335 00:19:07,992 --> 00:19:09,575 to meet the Kennedy girls. 336 00:19:11,117 --> 00:19:12,325 The tea parties were fun 337 00:19:12,408 --> 00:19:15,117 because Pat and Jean and Eunice were there. 338 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,950 You'd just meet hundreds of people 339 00:19:17,033 --> 00:19:18,700 and shake hundreds of hands. 340 00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:21,950 By the end of the campaign, 341 00:19:22,033 --> 00:19:24,367 she had probably met every voter 342 00:19:24,450 --> 00:19:26,575 in the entire congressional district. 343 00:19:26,658 --> 00:19:28,992 My brother Bobby, who managed the campaign, 344 00:19:29,075 --> 00:19:31,783 perhaps he could give us some idea, more up to date, 345 00:19:31,867 --> 00:19:33,408 of what the final figures were. 346 00:19:33,492 --> 00:19:37,283 I think that from what we got up to about 20 minutes ago, 347 00:19:37,367 --> 00:19:39,992 that you were winning by about 70,000. 348 00:19:40,075 --> 00:19:42,492 About 100,000 more votes will come in, 349 00:19:42,575 --> 00:19:44,992 and I think that that plurality will remain. 350 00:19:45,075 --> 00:19:46,242 Very fine. 351 00:19:46,325 --> 00:19:47,867 Well, I guess you're glad it's over, aren't you, Bobby? 352 00:19:47,950 --> 00:19:49,158 - I am, Jack. - Okay. 353 00:19:50,533 --> 00:19:52,658 Uncle Jack won his seat in the Senate. 354 00:19:54,367 --> 00:19:55,533 After the race, 355 00:19:55,617 --> 00:19:58,450 the Republican candidate, Henry Cabot Lodge, 356 00:19:58,533 --> 00:20:01,783 blamed his loss on "those damn tea parties." 357 00:20:04,408 --> 00:20:06,908 In 1953, Daddy went to work 358 00:20:06,992 --> 00:20:09,575 for the Senate Subcommittee on Investigations, 359 00:20:09,658 --> 00:20:11,783 chaired by Joseph McCarthy. 360 00:20:11,867 --> 00:20:16,325 The raw, unpleasant fact is that Communism is an issue. 361 00:20:16,408 --> 00:20:18,700 You know, it's hard now, looking back, 362 00:20:18,783 --> 00:20:20,283 to understand the sense 363 00:20:20,367 --> 00:20:22,658 of what the Communist threat was in this country. 364 00:20:22,742 --> 00:20:27,033 - But did you feel like there was a real threat at the time? - Right. Yes, I did. 365 00:20:27,117 --> 00:20:31,117 Especially growing up in a Republican atmosphere, 366 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,492 they were always talking about the communists. 367 00:20:34,575 --> 00:20:37,200 My grandfather had been friends with McCarthy 368 00:20:37,283 --> 00:20:39,658 by virtue that they were both Irish Catholics. 369 00:20:39,742 --> 00:20:46,075 And McCarthy had actually dated two of my aunts, Pat and Eunice. 370 00:20:46,158 --> 00:20:48,617 He could be so affectionate 371 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:51,158 and warm, and then... 372 00:20:52,117 --> 00:20:54,700 get in that hearing room and, um... 373 00:20:56,742 --> 00:21:00,242 it was very unpleasant how he treated people. 374 00:21:00,908 --> 00:21:04,033 He started drinking, and... 375 00:21:04,117 --> 00:21:06,533 the whole thing was just falling apart. 376 00:21:06,617 --> 00:21:09,825 And Daddy realized he didn't wanna be a part of it. 377 00:21:09,908 --> 00:21:11,158 He stayed on the committee 378 00:21:11,242 --> 00:21:14,742 for a couple of months, and he quickly... 379 00:21:14,825 --> 00:21:16,200 broke with McCarthy 380 00:21:16,283 --> 00:21:18,533 and helped author the report 381 00:21:18,617 --> 00:21:20,908 that was used in the end to censure McCarthy. 382 00:21:20,992 --> 00:21:24,575 Have you no sense of decency, sir? 383 00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:30,492 At long last, have you left no sense of decency? 384 00:21:30,575 --> 00:21:33,950 Daddy was quoted as saying, "At the time, 385 00:21:34,033 --> 00:21:36,492 I thought there was a serious internal security threat 386 00:21:36,575 --> 00:21:39,075 to the United States. McCarthy seemed to be 387 00:21:39,158 --> 00:21:42,492 the only one who was doing anything about it. I was wrong." 388 00:21:42,575 --> 00:21:44,825 He often changed his mind. 389 00:21:44,908 --> 00:21:50,158 Daddy had an open mind. He judged things continuously. 390 00:21:54,575 --> 00:21:58,408 On the fourth of July in 1951, Mommy gave birth 391 00:21:58,492 --> 00:22:01,033 to the very first of the Kennedy grandchildren, 392 00:22:01,117 --> 00:22:03,117 my sister, Kathleen. 393 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,825 Daddy was the seventh of the nine children, 394 00:22:06,908 --> 00:22:09,867 and yet he has the first grandchild. 395 00:22:09,950 --> 00:22:11,867 Our family grew very quickly. 396 00:22:12,658 --> 00:22:14,783 My brother Joe was born next. 397 00:22:14,867 --> 00:22:16,908 Then Bobby in 1954. 398 00:22:17,367 --> 00:22:19,533 David in 1955. 399 00:22:19,617 --> 00:22:21,950 And Courtney in 1956. 400 00:22:23,783 --> 00:22:26,658 You were pregnant for 99 months... 401 00:22:26,742 --> 00:22:27,992 out of your life. 402 00:22:28,075 --> 00:22:30,450 Well, that is a statistic that... 403 00:22:32,117 --> 00:22:33,075 I never... 404 00:22:33,158 --> 00:22:35,075 This is the first time I've heard it. 405 00:22:35,158 --> 00:22:37,117 Obviously, you went on to have 11 children. 406 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,992 So did you have any sense that you wanted 407 00:22:39,075 --> 00:22:40,575 - a big family, or... - Yes. 408 00:22:40,658 --> 00:22:43,075 Did you guys talk about how many kids you would have? 409 00:22:43,158 --> 00:22:46,117 - Did you have any... - No. Never. 410 00:22:52,783 --> 00:22:54,575 When I first went to Hickory Hill, 411 00:22:54,658 --> 00:22:56,617 it was owned by Jack and Jackie. 412 00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:59,575 And when I was about five or six years old, 413 00:22:59,658 --> 00:23:02,242 Daddy and Mommy actually bought Hickory Hill, 414 00:23:02,325 --> 00:23:03,700 and we moved there. 415 00:23:03,783 --> 00:23:05,992 And it was really in the country. 416 00:23:06,075 --> 00:23:08,658 Georgetown was kind of confining 417 00:23:08,742 --> 00:23:11,325 - with all the children. - Right. 418 00:23:11,408 --> 00:23:13,700 And there they had the lawn. 419 00:23:13,783 --> 00:23:16,783 They could run. Run, run, run, run, run. 420 00:23:18,867 --> 00:23:21,325 We had a pony and a cart, 421 00:23:21,408 --> 00:23:24,158 and I'd take the children out for a ride every day. 422 00:23:24,242 --> 00:23:26,450 They'd go out in the snow and... 423 00:23:26,533 --> 00:23:31,492 behind them on a... We had a sled that they could ride in. 424 00:23:31,575 --> 00:23:34,617 The word that comes first, of course, is "magical," 425 00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:39,283 because our mother has an amazing imagination. 426 00:23:39,367 --> 00:23:43,200 So there was always something going on to interest us, 427 00:23:43,283 --> 00:23:45,867 all these children. 428 00:23:45,950 --> 00:23:48,575 Mommy and Daddy brought in a lot of horses. 429 00:23:48,658 --> 00:23:51,033 We would get up early in the morning and ride over 430 00:23:51,117 --> 00:23:53,450 to the CIA, which was nice. 431 00:23:53,533 --> 00:23:55,867 She thought we should know about farm animals 432 00:23:55,950 --> 00:23:57,075 and how they lived. 433 00:23:57,158 --> 00:24:01,700 And so we had goats and pigs and cows and chickens. 434 00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:05,783 And they never were penned very well. 435 00:24:05,867 --> 00:24:09,200 So they'd spend a lot of time up in the, uh, living room, 436 00:24:09,283 --> 00:24:12,283 particularly the goats, who liked the flowers. 437 00:24:12,367 --> 00:24:16,617 So it was fun 'cause you'd be walking up to the front door, 438 00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:20,825 and a herd of horses would come galloping by. 439 00:24:20,908 --> 00:24:24,033 So it was... It was kind of unusual. 440 00:24:25,575 --> 00:24:28,658 I remember having, like, 15 dogs when we were growing up. 441 00:24:28,742 --> 00:24:31,200 At one point, I think you guys had 19 dogs. 442 00:24:31,283 --> 00:24:34,617 But that was my own life growing up. 443 00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:38,450 We always had at least 16 dogs. 444 00:24:38,533 --> 00:24:41,533 My mother, who really never skipped a carpool, 445 00:24:41,617 --> 00:24:46,117 one day appeared to pick us up with a seal in the back seat. 446 00:24:48,825 --> 00:24:51,908 He had to be fed fish every day, 447 00:24:51,992 --> 00:24:53,283 but he didn't like the eyes. 448 00:24:53,367 --> 00:24:56,742 So there were always hundreds of eyes around. 449 00:24:58,075 --> 00:25:00,117 That we could have done without, but... 450 00:25:00,575 --> 00:25:01,867 he was fun, 451 00:25:01,950 --> 00:25:03,700 and he'd make all sorts of noise, 452 00:25:03,783 --> 00:25:06,325 like... 453 00:25:06,408 --> 00:25:07,492 He was a great seal, 454 00:25:07,575 --> 00:25:10,408 but when he pushed my sister Kathleen in the pool 455 00:25:10,492 --> 00:25:12,575 through a hula hoop on Christmas Day, 456 00:25:12,658 --> 00:25:16,908 that was when he was sent off to the Washington Zoo. 457 00:25:32,450 --> 00:25:37,200 In the fall of 1955, Mommy received terrible news. 458 00:25:37,283 --> 00:25:39,408 Her parents were on their way to California 459 00:25:39,492 --> 00:25:41,242 when their plane crashed. 460 00:25:41,325 --> 00:25:42,950 Both of them were killed. 461 00:25:47,117 --> 00:25:48,867 It was hard on everybody. 462 00:25:50,033 --> 00:25:51,117 It was. 463 00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:55,033 She was incredibly devoted to her parents, 464 00:25:55,117 --> 00:25:58,033 and she was 27 or so years old, 465 00:25:58,117 --> 00:26:01,825 and, you know, that was a tragic loss for her. 466 00:26:01,908 --> 00:26:05,158 - Was Daddy supportive of you? - Very. 467 00:26:05,242 --> 00:26:08,283 Very. I remember he was campaigning, 468 00:26:08,825 --> 00:26:11,325 and, uh, I really... 469 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,950 felt it would be good to be with him. 470 00:26:15,033 --> 00:26:17,867 And, God love him, he got off the train and... 471 00:26:18,742 --> 00:26:19,992 drove home. 472 00:26:20,075 --> 00:26:21,950 He had to drive all the way through the night, 473 00:26:22,033 --> 00:26:23,242 and he did it. 474 00:26:25,033 --> 00:26:28,367 In certain circles, people deal with death all the time, 475 00:26:28,450 --> 00:26:30,408 and they deal with it in different ways. 476 00:26:30,492 --> 00:26:31,950 I think what Mommy... 477 00:26:32,033 --> 00:26:33,908 how Mommy has dealt with death, she's... 478 00:26:33,992 --> 00:26:36,575 You know, she does go to mass every day. 479 00:26:36,658 --> 00:26:39,200 You will always see her holding the rosary. 480 00:26:39,283 --> 00:26:42,283 But she certainly doesn't talk about it. 481 00:26:42,367 --> 00:26:47,867 And she doesn't discuss it, and she doesn't reflect on it. 482 00:26:47,950 --> 00:26:50,492 She... she wanted a lot of people around, 483 00:26:50,575 --> 00:26:53,783 and I would say, not solitude. 484 00:26:53,867 --> 00:26:57,033 And I think that's how she got through 485 00:26:57,117 --> 00:26:59,533 a lot of the really, really tough things. 486 00:27:03,908 --> 00:27:05,075 If I may, sir. 487 00:27:05,158 --> 00:27:08,700 In 1957, my father became chief counsel 488 00:27:08,783 --> 00:27:11,242 of the Senate's Labor Rackets Committee. 489 00:27:12,575 --> 00:27:14,867 The committee investigated criminal activities 490 00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:17,617 surrounding labor-management relations. 491 00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:21,367 Did you say, "That S.O.B., I'll break his back?" 492 00:27:21,450 --> 00:27:23,075 - Who? - You. 493 00:27:23,158 --> 00:27:24,325 I did it to who? 494 00:27:24,408 --> 00:27:25,700 To anyone. 495 00:27:25,783 --> 00:27:28,742 Probably the most famous case was Jimmy Hoffa, 496 00:27:28,825 --> 00:27:31,450 the labor organizer accused of hijacking 497 00:27:31,533 --> 00:27:33,325 the Teamsters Union. 498 00:27:33,408 --> 00:27:35,242 Well, whose back were you gonna break, Mr. Hoffa? 499 00:27:35,325 --> 00:27:37,575 Figure of speech, I don't even know who I was talking about, 500 00:27:37,658 --> 00:27:39,117 I don't know what you're talking about. 501 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,867 He thought the working man was getting a raw deal 502 00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:47,033 and that the Teamsters Union was corrupt... 503 00:27:47,117 --> 00:27:52,533 and it was wrecking the lives of so many people. 504 00:27:52,617 --> 00:27:54,950 Mommy was there almost every day, 505 00:27:55,033 --> 00:27:56,825 supporting Daddy. 506 00:27:56,908 --> 00:27:58,783 Mommy thought it was really important 507 00:27:58,867 --> 00:28:01,367 that we understood what Daddy was up to. 508 00:28:01,450 --> 00:28:03,283 So, for instance, um... 509 00:28:03,367 --> 00:28:06,033 oftentimes, rather than take me to the... 510 00:28:06,117 --> 00:28:09,117 uh, playground where we could go on the seesaw, 511 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,825 she took me to the Senate Racket Committee hearings. 512 00:28:11,908 --> 00:28:13,783 And so some of my first words were, 513 00:28:13,867 --> 00:28:15,450 "I refuse to answer that question 514 00:28:15,533 --> 00:28:17,825 on the grounds that it may tend to incriminate me." 515 00:28:17,908 --> 00:28:19,658 Well, I think it might have been a little 516 00:28:19,742 --> 00:28:21,450 over their heads but, uh... 517 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,700 it gave them a taste, I think, of what their daddy did. 518 00:28:26,783 --> 00:28:28,033 Uh, Mrs. Kennedy, 519 00:28:28,117 --> 00:28:30,325 do you attend many of Bob's committee hearings? 520 00:28:30,408 --> 00:28:33,533 Oh, Mr. Murrow, I do, yes, most all of them. 521 00:28:33,617 --> 00:28:37,367 Does Bob ever strike you as a seemingly mild-mannered man 522 00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:39,742 for a rackets investigator? 523 00:28:39,825 --> 00:28:42,283 Well, I'm awfully surprised most of the time 524 00:28:42,367 --> 00:28:44,075 when he really keeps his temper. 525 00:28:44,158 --> 00:28:46,950 You know, when witnesses aren't telling the truth 526 00:28:47,033 --> 00:28:48,117 and being quite frank, 527 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,867 or when they take the Fifth Amendment so often. 528 00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:53,825 I think it's really amazing that he does so well. 529 00:28:53,908 --> 00:28:56,325 I thought it was a courageous thing to do 530 00:28:56,408 --> 00:28:58,492 to go after racketeers... 531 00:28:59,325 --> 00:29:01,825 and particularly Hoffa. 532 00:29:01,908 --> 00:29:05,408 It had its consequences on the family. 533 00:29:05,492 --> 00:29:09,742 They had thrown acid into the eyes of a journalist 534 00:29:09,825 --> 00:29:12,242 from the New York Post. 535 00:29:12,325 --> 00:29:15,492 And they said, "We're gonna do the same to your children." 536 00:29:17,533 --> 00:29:20,117 They were trying to intimidate Daddy. 537 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,575 And so there was a period of time 538 00:29:21,658 --> 00:29:24,200 when we were going to Our Lady of Victory School, 539 00:29:24,283 --> 00:29:26,492 we couldn't leave with all the other kids. 540 00:29:26,575 --> 00:29:29,242 We had to go up into the principal's office 541 00:29:29,325 --> 00:29:30,950 and wait for Mommy to pick us up, 542 00:29:31,033 --> 00:29:33,617 because it was supposed to be too dangerous for us to... 543 00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:35,867 just to walk out of school. 544 00:29:35,950 --> 00:29:37,450 She was not afraid of that. 545 00:29:37,533 --> 00:29:39,533 She was not gonna be turned around. 546 00:29:39,617 --> 00:29:41,700 She was not gonna be made to hide. 547 00:29:41,783 --> 00:29:43,742 I think her inner Skakel came out. 548 00:29:43,825 --> 00:29:45,533 And she was emboldened. 549 00:29:45,617 --> 00:29:47,867 And I think that helped my father 550 00:29:47,950 --> 00:29:49,492 through that difficult time. 551 00:29:54,575 --> 00:29:56,658 ? Kennedy, Kennedy Kennedy, Kennedy ? 552 00:29:56,742 --> 00:29:59,283 ? Kennedy, Kennedy Kennedy for me ? 553 00:29:59,367 --> 00:30:02,492 ? Kennedy! Kennedy! Kennedy! Kennedy! ? 554 00:30:02,575 --> 00:30:04,700 ? Do you want a man For president ? 555 00:30:04,783 --> 00:30:06,908 ? Who's seasoned Through and through ? 556 00:30:06,992 --> 00:30:08,575 ? But not So doggone seasoned... ? 557 00:30:08,658 --> 00:30:12,283 In 1959, Daddy resigned from the Labor Rackets Committee 558 00:30:12,367 --> 00:30:14,908 to run Uncle Jack's campaign for president. 559 00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:19,950 Was it clear that Jack was gonna run for president? 560 00:30:20,033 --> 00:30:23,658 Well, it was certainly clear to the family. 561 00:30:23,742 --> 00:30:27,825 You know, we'd talk about it over the dinner table. 562 00:30:27,908 --> 00:30:29,242 At what point exactly 563 00:30:29,325 --> 00:30:30,700 did you learn he was gonna run? 564 00:30:30,783 --> 00:30:33,200 Oh, for God's sakes, it was 50 years ago, 565 00:30:33,283 --> 00:30:35,408 60 years ago, I have no idea. 566 00:30:35,492 --> 00:30:37,450 ? Kennedy, Kennedy Kennedy, Kennedy ? 567 00:30:37,533 --> 00:30:38,450 ? Kennedy, Kennedy... ? 568 00:30:38,533 --> 00:30:40,200 Once again, the family rallied, 569 00:30:40,283 --> 00:30:42,450 and everyone hit the campaign trail. 570 00:30:42,533 --> 00:30:44,908 My mother played a very active role. 571 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,033 This lovely little girl here, 572 00:30:48,117 --> 00:30:49,783 a mother of seven children, 573 00:30:49,867 --> 00:30:52,450 who has given birth to her own precinct. 574 00:30:54,492 --> 00:30:56,117 Hey, you have any news for us? 575 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,242 No, I don't. 576 00:30:59,325 --> 00:31:01,242 Listen, you've been out campaigning 577 00:31:01,325 --> 00:31:02,742 for your brother-in-law. 578 00:31:02,825 --> 00:31:04,533 - Do you enjoy it at all? - Oh, yes. 579 00:31:04,617 --> 00:31:06,783 How do the kids take it? Now, you have seven children. 580 00:31:06,867 --> 00:31:08,200 What do they think of all this? 581 00:31:08,283 --> 00:31:10,575 Oh, mostly they think it's taking an awful long time 582 00:31:10,658 --> 00:31:13,408 for Uncle Jack to be president. 583 00:31:14,367 --> 00:31:15,908 We were part of that campaign, 584 00:31:15,992 --> 00:31:17,908 and we were involved in every aspect. 585 00:31:17,992 --> 00:31:20,575 We climbed the stop signs and, you know, 586 00:31:20,658 --> 00:31:23,367 put "Nixon" stickers under the stop sign 587 00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:24,908 so it said, "Stop Nixon." 588 00:31:24,992 --> 00:31:28,825 We passed out buttons, we traveled across the country, 589 00:31:28,908 --> 00:31:31,992 and that was such a thrill for us. 590 00:31:32,075 --> 00:31:35,200 Daddy really wanted the children with him. 591 00:31:35,283 --> 00:31:39,617 So whenever we could, the children campaigned too. 592 00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:42,075 And I think the children really loved it. 593 00:31:42,158 --> 00:31:43,742 I remember campaigning 594 00:31:43,825 --> 00:31:46,658 and there were special dresses we all wore. 595 00:31:46,742 --> 00:31:49,867 The Kennedy girl dresses. And we all put them on. 596 00:31:49,950 --> 00:31:51,950 I was a little kid but, you know... 597 00:31:52,033 --> 00:31:55,117 we wore them, very exciting to go campaigning. 598 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,908 Coffee with the Kennedys. 599 00:31:56,992 --> 00:32:00,200 First, I'd like to thank my wife, uh, Jackie, 600 00:32:00,283 --> 00:32:02,533 for presenting this program, 601 00:32:02,617 --> 00:32:06,033 and also my sister Eunice and my brother's wife, Ethel, 602 00:32:06,117 --> 00:32:08,700 who are helping to answer the telephones this morning. 603 00:32:08,783 --> 00:32:10,367 I mean, it's interesting. 604 00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:12,533 You grew up in a Republican household, 605 00:32:12,617 --> 00:32:15,867 and now you're in this Democratic campaign 606 00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:17,867 - for president. - But I just... 607 00:32:18,908 --> 00:32:22,700 totally put the Republican part behind me. 608 00:32:22,783 --> 00:32:25,700 And your family didn't care, the Skakels? 609 00:32:25,783 --> 00:32:28,117 I think they thought I was a little communist. 610 00:32:29,783 --> 00:32:31,658 I think that we have a great deal of work. 611 00:32:31,742 --> 00:32:33,158 I think that the work on registration... 612 00:32:33,242 --> 00:32:36,908 The 1960 election would be one of the closest in history. 613 00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:40,158 It was a grueling year for Daddy, 614 00:32:40,242 --> 00:32:43,658 who crisscrossed the country, campaigning nonstop. 615 00:32:43,742 --> 00:32:47,742 I really remember 1960 largely for Daddy's absence, 616 00:32:47,825 --> 00:32:50,075 particularly during the West Virginia primary. 617 00:32:50,158 --> 00:32:52,033 I mean, he just disappeared 618 00:32:52,117 --> 00:32:55,158 for, like, three months and we just never saw him. 619 00:32:56,158 --> 00:32:58,575 Where were you on election night? 620 00:32:58,658 --> 00:33:00,408 I was here at the Cape. 621 00:33:00,492 --> 00:33:04,492 And we waited and waited and watched right in there. 622 00:33:05,825 --> 00:33:07,742 I don't think they knew about Jack 623 00:33:07,825 --> 00:33:11,742 till the early morning. But we had gone to bed. 624 00:33:11,825 --> 00:33:13,992 Oh, Daddy stayed up for a long time. 625 00:33:16,325 --> 00:33:18,325 And so then you woke up? 626 00:33:18,408 --> 00:33:22,700 Just elated, happy. Hallelujah. I mean, bravo. 627 00:33:25,158 --> 00:33:27,450 Then we all went over to the big house 628 00:33:27,533 --> 00:33:29,617 and had a photograph taken. 629 00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:31,908 Everyone was genuinely happy. 630 00:33:33,033 --> 00:33:34,992 Everybody had worked so hard. 631 00:33:35,075 --> 00:33:37,117 But it's funny, nobody looked tired 632 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,617 in the photograph, everybody just looks happy. 633 00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:43,783 It was so full of joy knowing... 634 00:33:43,867 --> 00:33:46,367 that the rest of the world would now know 635 00:33:46,450 --> 00:33:48,033 how great Jack was. 636 00:33:48,117 --> 00:33:50,450 And so, my fellow Americans... 637 00:33:51,242 --> 00:33:53,200 ask not... 638 00:33:53,283 --> 00:33:55,908 what your country can do for you, 639 00:33:55,992 --> 00:33:58,575 ask what you can do for your country. 640 00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:04,117 We went to his swearing-in, 641 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,617 and that was our first visit to the White House. 642 00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:08,742 And we went upstairs with Daddy and Mommy. 643 00:34:08,825 --> 00:34:11,742 We toured through the upper floors of the White House. 644 00:34:11,825 --> 00:34:14,617 Mommy took us up and showed us where John, 645 00:34:14,700 --> 00:34:16,908 who had just been born, and Caroline 646 00:34:16,992 --> 00:34:19,325 were gonna live in the private quarters. 647 00:34:19,408 --> 00:34:21,492 And then we came back down, 648 00:34:21,575 --> 00:34:24,200 and Daddy slid down the banister. 649 00:34:27,075 --> 00:34:29,283 He had us all slide down the banisters, 650 00:34:29,367 --> 00:34:31,325 and then we went and saw the bowling alley, 651 00:34:31,408 --> 00:34:34,658 and we went and jumped in the swimming pool. 652 00:34:34,742 --> 00:34:37,117 And then we toured through the corridors 653 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,992 and the secret tunnels underneath the White House. 654 00:34:40,992 --> 00:34:42,742 Just... It was a moment in history. 655 00:34:42,825 --> 00:34:45,700 - Yeah. - That was, you know, you were... 656 00:34:45,783 --> 00:34:48,200 kind of unaware of it at the time. 657 00:34:49,325 --> 00:34:51,825 But what fun, 50 years later. 658 00:34:54,075 --> 00:34:56,325 After Uncle Jack became president, 659 00:34:56,408 --> 00:34:59,700 he asked Daddy to serve as his attorney general. 660 00:34:59,783 --> 00:35:02,033 Daddy was reluctant. 661 00:35:02,117 --> 00:35:05,158 And I think people were questioning 662 00:35:05,242 --> 00:35:07,283 whether that was the best choice, 663 00:35:07,367 --> 00:35:09,325 whether he was the best choice. 664 00:35:14,617 --> 00:35:16,908 He has proven his ability... 665 00:35:16,992 --> 00:35:19,825 in almost ten years of public service 666 00:35:19,908 --> 00:35:22,408 as an attorney for the Justice Department 667 00:35:22,492 --> 00:35:23,992 and, more recently, 668 00:35:24,075 --> 00:35:27,742 as chief counsel of the Senate Labor Rackets Committee. 669 00:35:27,825 --> 00:35:31,908 Daddy felt so sheepish and so shy. 670 00:35:31,992 --> 00:35:33,492 The president had to say to him, 671 00:35:33,575 --> 00:35:35,992 "Don't you think you should comb your hair... 672 00:35:36,075 --> 00:35:38,075 ...before we go out?" 673 00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:43,700 How does being a brother of a president 674 00:35:43,783 --> 00:35:46,075 affect your role as a member of the cabinet? 675 00:35:46,158 --> 00:35:48,700 Oh, I think it probably, uh, makes it easier. 676 00:35:48,783 --> 00:35:51,158 I think having the same last name as the president 677 00:35:51,242 --> 00:35:53,408 of the United States helps, probably. 678 00:35:53,492 --> 00:35:54,950 Some of my earliest memories 679 00:35:55,033 --> 00:35:57,533 are of when Daddy was attorney general 680 00:35:57,617 --> 00:36:00,867 and Mommy would pile six or seven of us 681 00:36:00,950 --> 00:36:04,200 into the back of a convertible 682 00:36:04,283 --> 00:36:06,367 with two or three dogs and a football, 683 00:36:06,450 --> 00:36:08,992 and bring us down to the Justice Department. 684 00:36:12,158 --> 00:36:14,658 In his Justice Department office, 685 00:36:14,742 --> 00:36:16,908 there were drawings by all of us 686 00:36:16,992 --> 00:36:20,783 taped up onto the walls, and so it made us 687 00:36:20,867 --> 00:36:23,242 feel like we were important in his life, 688 00:36:23,325 --> 00:36:25,450 just as important as his work. 689 00:36:25,533 --> 00:36:29,033 The children were always included in everything we did. 690 00:36:29,117 --> 00:36:32,617 I think it probably made them more interesting. 691 00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:35,700 There was just not much of a separation 692 00:36:35,783 --> 00:36:37,575 between grown-ups and children. 693 00:36:39,158 --> 00:36:41,742 Mommy believed very much that we should, you know, 694 00:36:41,825 --> 00:36:44,617 know what was going on. So every night at dinner, 695 00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:47,158 there would always be quizzes at our dinner table 696 00:36:47,242 --> 00:36:49,200 about current events or history. 697 00:36:49,283 --> 00:36:51,408 And so it was very important where you sat, 698 00:36:51,492 --> 00:36:53,242 um, at the dinner table, 'cause if you sat 699 00:36:53,325 --> 00:36:54,950 at Mommy's right, you only had to read 700 00:36:55,033 --> 00:36:56,825 the front page. But as you went around 701 00:36:56,908 --> 00:36:58,242 the dinner table, as you can imagine, 702 00:36:58,325 --> 00:37:01,075 you really had to know what was going on. 703 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,742 What we loved to do 704 00:37:02,825 --> 00:37:04,742 was go down to the FBI building 705 00:37:04,825 --> 00:37:06,950 and watch the sharpshooters at practice. 706 00:37:07,033 --> 00:37:10,492 At the time, the director of the FBI was J. Edgar Hoover, 707 00:37:10,575 --> 00:37:13,450 who was a man not known for his sense of humor 708 00:37:13,533 --> 00:37:14,992 or his love of children, 709 00:37:15,075 --> 00:37:18,825 and he, um, particularly had this intense, 710 00:37:18,908 --> 00:37:20,950 uh, clash with my father. 711 00:37:22,867 --> 00:37:26,700 One day, we were all over there watching the sharpshooters, 712 00:37:26,783 --> 00:37:28,950 and in the bottom of the FBI building, 713 00:37:29,033 --> 00:37:31,283 which is a little weird, they had a suggestion box. 714 00:37:31,367 --> 00:37:32,492 I don't know why, 715 00:37:32,575 --> 00:37:35,867 But anyway, so Mommy took out her telltale red pen, 716 00:37:35,950 --> 00:37:38,242 and she always only used a red pen, 717 00:37:38,325 --> 00:37:40,867 and, um, wrote on a little card, 718 00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:42,283 "Get a new director." 719 00:37:44,617 --> 00:37:48,075 Which was, you know, if you have any idea 720 00:37:48,158 --> 00:37:50,742 who J. Edgar Hoover was at that time, I mean, 721 00:37:50,825 --> 00:37:53,075 he was an awful, horrible man. 722 00:37:53,158 --> 00:37:55,950 And just to be able to stand up to him there 723 00:37:56,033 --> 00:37:59,908 was an important lesson to me at a very, very young age. 724 00:38:02,992 --> 00:38:06,325 When we came home from school every day, 725 00:38:06,408 --> 00:38:08,700 we played a football game. 726 00:38:13,408 --> 00:38:14,992 Mommy loved to play football, 727 00:38:15,075 --> 00:38:17,117 but only if she was on the winning side. 728 00:38:18,367 --> 00:38:20,575 You know, a lot of parents will let their kids, 729 00:38:20,658 --> 00:38:23,533 like, beat them at a sport, you know, to encourage them. 730 00:38:23,617 --> 00:38:26,117 And... But she wouldn't do that. 731 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,783 That wasn't part of her parenting philosophy. 732 00:38:29,950 --> 00:38:31,450 Every time we did anything, 733 00:38:31,533 --> 00:38:33,492 it was about competition. 734 00:38:33,575 --> 00:38:35,742 And was coming in second okay? 735 00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:38,158 Only if you were the Shrivers. 736 00:38:44,283 --> 00:38:45,700 Trying hard didn't cut it. 737 00:38:45,783 --> 00:38:49,158 You know, people now say, "Oh, just try hard." No. 738 00:38:49,242 --> 00:38:51,117 Win. That was important. 739 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,658 Trying hard, not part of the... not part of the culture. 740 00:38:54,742 --> 00:38:57,325 As well as the idea that Kennedys don't cry. 741 00:38:57,408 --> 00:38:59,117 I mean, you cannot show weakness. 742 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,367 You always had to be tough. 743 00:39:01,450 --> 00:39:03,450 I also remember falling off my horse 744 00:39:03,533 --> 00:39:04,867 and hurting my leg. 745 00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:06,283 And it took them about four days 746 00:39:06,367 --> 00:39:07,742 to realize that it might be broken 747 00:39:07,825 --> 00:39:08,950 and I should go to the hospital. 748 00:39:09,033 --> 00:39:10,617 Had you in fact broken your leg? 749 00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:12,450 Yes. 750 00:39:12,533 --> 00:39:14,158 But I'm glad we're laughing. 751 00:39:33,908 --> 00:39:36,242 The 1960s were just a completely, 752 00:39:36,325 --> 00:39:38,575 really unique period in American history. 753 00:39:38,658 --> 00:39:41,658 There's sort of, every 30 or 50 years, 754 00:39:41,742 --> 00:39:44,992 there's periods where... where... where there's enormous change 755 00:39:45,075 --> 00:39:46,408 or enormous growth, 756 00:39:46,492 --> 00:39:50,533 and Daddy was in the middle of all of that. 757 00:39:55,408 --> 00:39:58,408 During the Cuban Missile Crisis, Daddy spent... 758 00:39:58,492 --> 00:40:00,825 virtually the entire time at the White House, 759 00:40:00,908 --> 00:40:04,742 and for the first couple days, nobody knew what was going on, 760 00:40:04,825 --> 00:40:06,742 but then, they announced it on TV, 761 00:40:06,825 --> 00:40:08,450 and everybody realized 762 00:40:08,533 --> 00:40:11,992 that, you know, the next day, we could all be dead. 763 00:40:12,075 --> 00:40:15,617 Within the past week, unmistakable evidence 764 00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:17,408 has established the fact 765 00:40:17,492 --> 00:40:20,992 that a series of offensive missile sites 766 00:40:21,075 --> 00:40:22,617 is now in preparation... 767 00:40:23,367 --> 00:40:24,533 on the island of Cuba. 768 00:40:24,617 --> 00:40:27,075 The Cubans, along with their allies, the Russians, 769 00:40:27,158 --> 00:40:29,283 were installing nuclear missiles 770 00:40:29,367 --> 00:40:32,450 capable of first strike attacks on the United States. 771 00:40:35,825 --> 00:40:38,658 I can't imagine anything worse. 772 00:40:38,742 --> 00:40:40,700 It was on your mind all the time. 773 00:40:40,783 --> 00:40:42,742 "Oh, where are the children? 774 00:40:42,825 --> 00:40:44,700 Should we come? Should we go?" 775 00:40:46,450 --> 00:40:48,867 Daddy, who played an important role 776 00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:50,617 in the handling of the crisis, 777 00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:54,325 had to stay in Washington by President Kennedy's side. 778 00:40:55,283 --> 00:40:59,575 I just remember Mom and Dad got us together 779 00:40:59,658 --> 00:41:02,533 as a family, and, uh... 780 00:41:02,617 --> 00:41:04,783 they said that there was a provision 781 00:41:04,867 --> 00:41:08,825 that allowed some officials' families 782 00:41:08,908 --> 00:41:11,575 and their children to maybe be... 783 00:41:11,658 --> 00:41:15,867 taken outside of the city to a place of safety. 784 00:41:17,158 --> 00:41:20,075 Daddy was gonna have to stay in Washington, 785 00:41:20,158 --> 00:41:24,283 and, of course, Mom would never have left him. 786 00:41:24,367 --> 00:41:28,617 What they wanted to know was how we all felt 787 00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:33,533 about leaving or staying together as a family. 788 00:41:33,617 --> 00:41:36,033 We all had to say what we wanted to do. 789 00:41:36,117 --> 00:41:39,325 And we all said that we wanted to stay. 790 00:41:40,658 --> 00:41:42,200 I think Bobby and I had... 791 00:41:42,283 --> 00:41:44,533 ...maybe some second thoughts about it 792 00:41:44,617 --> 00:41:48,367 between ourselves afterwards. 793 00:41:49,950 --> 00:41:52,867 I think if she had said, "Hey, I'm getting the hell outta here, 794 00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:56,533 I'm not gonna stick around Washington," 795 00:41:56,617 --> 00:41:59,408 it would have had a completely different effect 796 00:41:59,492 --> 00:42:00,658 on all of us. 797 00:42:00,742 --> 00:42:05,658 But when you see that kind of loyalty, you just suck it up. 798 00:42:15,492 --> 00:42:17,408 In his job as attorney general, 799 00:42:17,492 --> 00:42:19,867 Daddy found himself at the forefront 800 00:42:19,950 --> 00:42:21,617 of the civil rights movement. 801 00:42:24,075 --> 00:42:26,825 Citizens are being denied the right to register 802 00:42:26,908 --> 00:42:29,450 and the right to vote because of their color. 803 00:42:29,533 --> 00:42:31,867 Mommy would make sure 804 00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:34,658 we understood the importance of those battles, 805 00:42:34,742 --> 00:42:38,033 the historical significance of those battles, 806 00:42:38,117 --> 00:42:40,825 and that we talked about them. 807 00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:55,658 In 1962, the racial integration 808 00:42:55,742 --> 00:42:59,450 of the University of Mississippi had been violent. 809 00:42:59,533 --> 00:43:02,617 A year later, the University of Alabama 810 00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:04,450 was headed in the same direction. 811 00:43:04,533 --> 00:43:07,325 Today, the majority of the white population of Tuscaloosa 812 00:43:07,408 --> 00:43:10,075 still does not favor integration of the university. 813 00:43:10,158 --> 00:43:12,617 The state's governor, George Wallace, 814 00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:15,617 stood in the schoolhouse door in an effort to stop 815 00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:18,950 African American students from entering. 816 00:43:19,033 --> 00:43:22,783 In the face of this, Daddy sent his deputy attorney general, 817 00:43:22,867 --> 00:43:24,992 Nick Katzenbach, down to Alabama 818 00:43:25,075 --> 00:43:28,158 to persuade the governor to let the students in. 819 00:43:28,242 --> 00:43:31,200 I'm asking from you an unequivocal assurance 820 00:43:31,283 --> 00:43:34,200 that you will not bar entry to these students 821 00:43:34,283 --> 00:43:36,492 and that you will step aside peacefully. 822 00:43:36,575 --> 00:43:38,742 I was maybe three or four years old, 823 00:43:38,825 --> 00:43:42,200 and I was in Daddy's office, and the phone rang, 824 00:43:42,283 --> 00:43:44,367 and Nick Katzenbach was calling. 825 00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:45,783 He won't step aside. 826 00:43:45,867 --> 00:43:48,367 He'll be carried off by soldiers. 827 00:43:48,450 --> 00:43:50,325 Want to say hello to Kerry? 828 00:43:51,450 --> 00:43:53,325 Yeah! 829 00:43:53,408 --> 00:43:56,450 - Hi, Nick. - Hi, Kerry. How are you, dear? 830 00:43:56,533 --> 00:43:58,283 What are you doing? 831 00:43:59,617 --> 00:44:01,533 Are you at our house? 832 00:44:01,617 --> 00:44:05,492 No, I'm not out at your house. I'm way down in the Southland. 833 00:44:05,575 --> 00:44:08,242 And you know what the temperature is down here? 834 00:44:08,325 --> 00:44:11,575 The temperature down here is 98 degrees. 835 00:44:11,658 --> 00:44:13,325 You tell your father that. 836 00:44:13,408 --> 00:44:15,700 Tell him we're all gonna get hardship pay. 837 00:44:17,117 --> 00:44:19,450 - We got Kerry on here. - Kerry? 838 00:44:19,533 --> 00:44:22,492 We're all gonna get hardship today. 839 00:44:22,575 --> 00:44:24,658 - We're gonna all get what? - Hard... 840 00:44:26,117 --> 00:44:27,575 After several days, 841 00:44:27,658 --> 00:44:30,200 Governor Wallace was forced to step aside, 842 00:44:30,283 --> 00:44:32,242 and Vivian Malone and James Hood 843 00:44:32,325 --> 00:44:35,825 were peacefully admitted to the University of Alabama. 844 00:44:35,908 --> 00:44:40,200 To this day, I have a letter that was written to me by Daddy 845 00:44:40,283 --> 00:44:43,283 on that visit, and it says, "Dear Kerry, 846 00:44:43,367 --> 00:44:47,617 today, over the objection of the governor of Alabama, 847 00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:50,700 two Negroes were allowed into the university, 848 00:44:50,783 --> 00:44:53,658 and I hope these events are long past 849 00:44:53,742 --> 00:44:56,825 by the time you get your pretty little head to college." 850 00:44:59,242 --> 00:45:03,200 And here's Daddy making sure that we were engaged 851 00:45:03,283 --> 00:45:05,575 and knowledgeable about what he was doing. 852 00:45:05,658 --> 00:45:08,242 Felt a connection and felt, I think, you know, 853 00:45:08,325 --> 00:45:10,908 a responsibility to make sure that when we were in college, 854 00:45:10,992 --> 00:45:13,450 we were still knowing what was going on in the world, 855 00:45:13,533 --> 00:45:16,283 and if there was discrimination, um, fighting it. 856 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,742 At the Justice Department, 857 00:45:18,825 --> 00:45:20,825 Daddy was at the center of the storm. 858 00:45:22,242 --> 00:45:26,325 But at Hickory Hill, Mommy was her own force of nature. 859 00:45:30,158 --> 00:45:32,658 'Course, I remember as a kid, people who worked 860 00:45:32,742 --> 00:45:34,658 at the government were always at our house, 861 00:45:34,742 --> 00:45:36,742 and they all had these special plates, you know, 862 00:45:36,825 --> 00:45:38,950 which would mean basically that the cops 863 00:45:39,033 --> 00:45:42,575 wouldn't give you a ticket, and we didn't have those plates. 864 00:45:42,658 --> 00:45:44,492 And I remember saying to Daddy, 865 00:45:44,575 --> 00:45:46,408 "Well, why don't we have those plates?" 866 00:45:46,492 --> 00:45:48,242 And him saying, "Are you kidding? 867 00:45:48,325 --> 00:45:50,450 The last thing I want people to know 868 00:45:50,533 --> 00:45:53,408 is who's driving that car." 869 00:45:53,492 --> 00:45:57,450 So Mommy has a long history of... of dealings with cops. 870 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,533 But in fairness to her, when she stole those horses, 871 00:46:01,617 --> 00:46:03,200 she wasn't really... 872 00:46:03,283 --> 00:46:04,992 She was trying to save their lives. 873 00:46:07,283 --> 00:46:13,367 We were on a ride one day, and we heard these... 874 00:46:13,450 --> 00:46:18,033 forlorn moans coming out of this barn. 875 00:46:18,117 --> 00:46:20,783 So we got off our horses and went into the shed. 876 00:46:20,867 --> 00:46:26,617 And in this shed were these three starving horses. 877 00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:29,658 And she thought, "This is outrageous." 878 00:46:29,742 --> 00:46:32,033 And so she immediately got the groom 879 00:46:32,117 --> 00:46:33,783 to come and take these starving horses 880 00:46:33,867 --> 00:46:35,867 and bring them over to our house. 881 00:46:35,950 --> 00:46:37,992 Well, some people think that's stealing. 882 00:46:39,783 --> 00:46:40,992 A few days later, 883 00:46:41,075 --> 00:46:43,492 the man who had been starving the horses 884 00:46:43,575 --> 00:46:46,367 sued my mother for horse thievery, 885 00:46:46,450 --> 00:46:49,158 which at that time was a hanging offense in Virginia. 886 00:46:49,242 --> 00:46:52,075 So the wife of the attorney general 887 00:46:52,158 --> 00:46:54,783 had to go to court and defend herself 888 00:46:54,867 --> 00:46:56,408 against a hanging offense. 889 00:46:56,492 --> 00:47:00,575 - And how did she do? - And she won. Thank goodness. 890 00:47:00,658 --> 00:47:01,783 What did your husband say? 891 00:47:01,867 --> 00:47:04,033 You just had a chance to talk to him. 892 00:47:04,117 --> 00:47:05,617 What does he think about all this, 893 00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:07,408 his wife, a courtroom star? 894 00:47:07,492 --> 00:47:09,992 I'm not sure that's the way he looks at it. 895 00:47:10,075 --> 00:47:12,200 I don't think he's gonna let me off the property again... 896 00:47:12,283 --> 00:47:14,825 ...without my keeper. 897 00:47:21,242 --> 00:47:23,408 As the head of the Justice Department 898 00:47:23,492 --> 00:47:24,783 and the president's brother, 899 00:47:24,867 --> 00:47:27,825 Daddy became his ambassador to the rest of the world. 900 00:47:32,242 --> 00:47:34,325 Um... 901 00:47:39,783 --> 00:47:42,200 Is that right? "I thank you"? 902 00:47:44,992 --> 00:47:47,825 Oh, no. 903 00:47:49,992 --> 00:47:51,742 There was a cute shot of you 904 00:47:51,825 --> 00:47:53,408 trying to speak Japanese? 905 00:47:53,492 --> 00:47:56,533 That wasn't so cute. That was ego-destroying. 906 00:47:56,617 --> 00:47:57,617 I was horrible. 907 00:47:57,700 --> 00:47:59,992 Oh, dear. 908 00:48:00,075 --> 00:48:01,117 It was so bad. 909 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,533 You had clearly tried so hard. 910 00:48:03,617 --> 00:48:07,908 You have no idea. All the way over on the plane, rehearsing. 911 00:48:09,575 --> 00:48:14,117 Japan, Indonesia, Korea, Germany, Poland, Chile, Peru, 912 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,367 South Africa, Kenya, the Philippines, Brazil, 913 00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:19,658 Italy, Ivory Coast, and Hong Kong. 914 00:48:19,742 --> 00:48:21,700 Every minute was filled. 915 00:48:21,783 --> 00:48:25,200 But whoever was in power in those countries 916 00:48:25,283 --> 00:48:27,658 felt they had the ear of the president. 917 00:48:27,742 --> 00:48:30,283 They knew they were talking to someone 918 00:48:30,367 --> 00:48:32,367 who could change policy. 919 00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:33,950 I appreciate your frankness. 920 00:48:34,033 --> 00:48:35,908 And I think you would expect the same from me. 921 00:48:38,992 --> 00:48:40,117 And you're gonna get it. 922 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,533 Daddy would speak his mind, 923 00:48:43,617 --> 00:48:46,742 and, you know, it was really, uh, refreshing. 924 00:48:46,825 --> 00:48:48,492 He didn't fool around. 925 00:48:48,575 --> 00:48:51,158 - I just wanna talk... - You're talking about the United States 100 years ago. 926 00:48:52,742 --> 00:48:54,825 What, do you think we stood still? 927 00:49:01,533 --> 00:49:03,075 Whew! 928 00:49:03,158 --> 00:49:05,033 I asked my wife as I was coming down 929 00:49:05,117 --> 00:49:07,533 whether she could think of a joke. 930 00:49:07,617 --> 00:49:09,575 She said, "If they look at the top of your hair, 931 00:49:09,658 --> 00:49:11,992 they'll laugh." 932 00:49:16,117 --> 00:49:18,658 There is great footage of you in Poland, 933 00:49:18,742 --> 00:49:21,658 where Daddy's signing all these signatures 934 00:49:21,742 --> 00:49:23,325 and then he gets a cramp, 935 00:49:23,408 --> 00:49:24,908 and then you start signing the signatures. 936 00:49:24,992 --> 00:49:26,200 You know, 937 00:49:26,283 --> 00:49:29,325 I remember that trip to Poland so well, 'cause, uh... 938 00:49:29,408 --> 00:49:32,325 instantaneously, they would show up, 939 00:49:32,408 --> 00:49:36,367 you know, hundreds of thousands of people to see Daddy. 940 00:49:36,450 --> 00:49:39,450 That was a big deal because Daddy was, first of all, 941 00:49:39,533 --> 00:49:42,908 not given, um, the visa ticket to Poland for a while, 942 00:49:42,992 --> 00:49:46,242 and they didn't wanna have any publicity for his trip there, 943 00:49:46,325 --> 00:49:49,700 and yet through the underground, people found out about it, 944 00:49:49,783 --> 00:49:53,242 and thousands and thousands of people came. 945 00:49:53,325 --> 00:49:56,992 It was so wonderful to see the United States 946 00:49:57,075 --> 00:49:58,742 held in such high honor. 947 00:50:00,783 --> 00:50:02,575 When Mommy and Daddy went to Rome, 948 00:50:02,658 --> 00:50:05,075 the members of the press corps traveling with them 949 00:50:05,158 --> 00:50:06,658 gave Mommy a scooter. 950 00:50:08,283 --> 00:50:11,533 They presented it one day at a restaurant. 951 00:50:11,617 --> 00:50:15,283 It was such a cute little red scooter. 952 00:50:15,367 --> 00:50:17,950 So I got on it and went flying out the door... 953 00:50:19,783 --> 00:50:22,367 ...and into the traffic, where I hit a truck. 954 00:50:25,283 --> 00:50:27,658 It was really unpleasant. 955 00:50:27,742 --> 00:50:29,908 But I didn't know how to stop it. 956 00:50:31,283 --> 00:50:32,658 So what did Daddy do 957 00:50:32,742 --> 00:50:34,783 while you were riding the scooter? 958 00:50:34,867 --> 00:50:37,325 He was finishing his pasta. 959 00:50:39,825 --> 00:50:42,033 He got such joy 960 00:50:42,117 --> 00:50:45,450 out of Mommy and some of her antics 961 00:50:45,533 --> 00:50:49,408 or little naughty things that she might get up to. 962 00:50:50,408 --> 00:50:52,283 He would just throw his head back 963 00:50:52,367 --> 00:50:54,075 and laugh and say, "Oh, Ethel," 964 00:50:54,158 --> 00:50:58,242 and put his hands over his eyes, and his eyes to God. 965 00:50:59,492 --> 00:51:03,283 My father really had the weight of the world on him. 966 00:51:03,367 --> 00:51:06,742 And Mommy was funny, and fun, 967 00:51:06,825 --> 00:51:08,992 and full of laughter, and full of life. 968 00:51:09,075 --> 00:51:11,825 And she was at ease throwing parties 969 00:51:11,908 --> 00:51:14,408 and making him enjoy life. 970 00:51:16,617 --> 00:51:19,950 Any occasion that there was to have a party, 971 00:51:20,033 --> 00:51:21,408 there'd be a party. 972 00:51:25,283 --> 00:51:30,450 She had every single member of President Kennedy's cabinet 973 00:51:30,533 --> 00:51:32,492 knocked into the swimming pool. 974 00:51:33,783 --> 00:51:36,700 It was in the papers, and, uh, Jack, 975 00:51:36,783 --> 00:51:38,658 actually, who adored my mother 976 00:51:38,742 --> 00:51:41,367 and loved her sense of mischief and her sense of humor, 977 00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:43,033 but he called her up and he said, 978 00:51:43,117 --> 00:51:44,700 "We can't have any more of that." 979 00:51:44,783 --> 00:51:46,700 And that was the end of pushing people in the pool... 980 00:51:46,783 --> 00:51:48,783 ...at Hickory Hill. 981 00:51:48,867 --> 00:51:51,450 I remember, Daddy had promised... 982 00:51:51,533 --> 00:51:55,367 uh, Mom this, like, really terrific birthday party 983 00:51:55,450 --> 00:51:57,575 and terrific present. 984 00:51:57,658 --> 00:52:01,867 And I saw Daddy and Uncle Steve go out the front door, 985 00:52:01,950 --> 00:52:05,200 and they rustled around in the car for a while, and they... 986 00:52:05,825 --> 00:52:07,283 pulled out a guy. 987 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,325 And the guy was dressed in black tie, 988 00:52:11,408 --> 00:52:15,700 and they had wrapped him up in... 989 00:52:15,783 --> 00:52:20,158 ribbons with this gigantic pink bow. 990 00:52:20,242 --> 00:52:23,783 They carried him in and laid him at... 991 00:52:24,617 --> 00:52:25,950 Mom's feet, 992 00:52:26,033 --> 00:52:27,950 and it was Gene Kelly. 993 00:52:28,033 --> 00:52:31,450 ? I'm singin' in the rain ? 994 00:52:31,533 --> 00:52:33,700 ? Just singin' in the rain... ? 995 00:52:33,783 --> 00:52:37,367 And she... she rips the bow off of him, 996 00:52:37,450 --> 00:52:39,867 and he jumped up, and he grabbed her 997 00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:41,533 and danced her around the dance floor. 998 00:52:41,617 --> 00:52:46,867 And that was Daddy's gift to Mom that she would never forget. 999 00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:48,450 Aw. 1000 00:52:59,450 --> 00:53:01,950 I'd say in the history of the country, 1001 00:53:02,033 --> 00:53:05,325 there's probably never been as unique a relationship 1002 00:53:05,408 --> 00:53:09,283 between two brothers as the one between Daddy and Jack. 1003 00:53:09,367 --> 00:53:13,242 It would be rare to be able to identify a team of brothers 1004 00:53:13,325 --> 00:53:14,658 who were as close as they were 1005 00:53:14,742 --> 00:53:18,117 and achieved as much success as they did. 1006 00:53:18,825 --> 00:53:21,033 They had a great relationship. 1007 00:53:22,325 --> 00:53:25,867 I think there was enormous affection between them 1008 00:53:25,950 --> 00:53:29,450 and admiration on each of their parts. 1009 00:53:29,533 --> 00:53:33,158 It was very funny. So often, people said 1010 00:53:33,242 --> 00:53:35,533 they couldn't understand their dialogue, 1011 00:53:35,617 --> 00:53:38,200 and it was because one of them would start a sentence 1012 00:53:38,283 --> 00:53:39,492 and the other would finish it. 1013 00:53:39,575 --> 00:53:42,117 He knew exactly where the other one was going. 1014 00:54:03,242 --> 00:54:07,200 From Dallas, Texas, the flash apparently official. 1015 00:54:07,283 --> 00:54:09,283 President Kennedy died 1016 00:54:09,367 --> 00:54:12,742 at 1:00 p.m. central standard time, 1017 00:54:12,825 --> 00:54:14,867 some 38 minutes ago. 1018 00:54:18,533 --> 00:54:21,283 It was like a tidal wave of grief... 1019 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,867 to see this vibrant man 1020 00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:30,992 with all his character and sense of fun and... 1021 00:54:31,742 --> 00:54:32,742 um... 1022 00:54:33,867 --> 00:54:35,325 wonderful judgment... 1023 00:54:36,367 --> 00:54:37,492 was lost. 1024 00:54:38,242 --> 00:54:40,158 Everyone was devastated. 1025 00:54:46,825 --> 00:54:49,158 It was, uh... 1026 00:54:49,242 --> 00:54:52,075 it was like Daddy had lost both arms. 1027 00:54:54,742 --> 00:54:56,742 And how did you talk to him? 1028 00:54:56,825 --> 00:54:58,658 Or did you feel like you could reach out to him? 1029 00:54:58,742 --> 00:55:00,242 No, I didn't, no. 1030 00:55:03,158 --> 00:55:04,575 Was it months? 1031 00:55:04,658 --> 00:55:07,117 It was six months of just... 1032 00:55:08,158 --> 00:55:09,283 blackness. 1033 00:55:11,325 --> 00:55:14,242 Well, Daddy became much more withdrawn 1034 00:55:14,325 --> 00:55:17,658 after Jack died. And he would go to his room after dinner, 1035 00:55:17,742 --> 00:55:20,242 and he read a lot of poets. He read... 1036 00:55:20,325 --> 00:55:24,408 um, Aeschylus, Edith Hamilton on the Greeks. 1037 00:55:24,492 --> 00:55:28,867 And he read the Bible, obviously, the Old Testament. 1038 00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:32,742 And really the notion of how do you face tragedy, 1039 00:55:32,825 --> 00:55:34,325 how do you go forward? 1040 00:55:34,408 --> 00:55:37,575 And how do you make sense of your life? 1041 00:55:37,658 --> 00:55:41,075 And I think that he tried to really... 1042 00:55:42,283 --> 00:55:44,408 feel the pain. 1043 00:55:44,492 --> 00:55:49,908 He said, "I'm gonna dwell in the pain, and I'm going to... 1044 00:55:49,992 --> 00:55:52,783 understand that something terrible 1045 00:55:52,867 --> 00:55:54,075 has happened." 1046 00:55:54,158 --> 00:55:58,075 And I think that helped make him a really... 1047 00:55:58,158 --> 00:56:00,617 a stunning, extraordinary leader, 1048 00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:03,408 because, um, oftentimes, 1049 00:56:03,492 --> 00:56:05,367 people who are in the public life 1050 00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:07,533 don't go deep into pain, 1051 00:56:07,617 --> 00:56:09,283 and he was willing to do that. 1052 00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:14,242 This is a letter he wrote two days after... 1053 00:56:14,325 --> 00:56:17,742 uh, our Uncle Jack died. 1054 00:56:17,825 --> 00:56:19,992 "Dear Kathleen, you seem to understand 1055 00:56:20,075 --> 00:56:23,033 that Jack died and was buried today. 1056 00:56:23,117 --> 00:56:25,492 As the oldest of the Kennedy grandchildren, 1057 00:56:25,575 --> 00:56:28,367 you have a particular responsibility now. 1058 00:56:28,450 --> 00:56:32,283 A special responsibility to John and Joe. 1059 00:56:32,367 --> 00:56:34,242 Be kind to others... 1060 00:56:34,325 --> 00:56:37,575 and work for your country. Love, Daddy." 1061 00:56:37,658 --> 00:56:39,658 And you have to think about this. 1062 00:56:39,742 --> 00:56:41,908 He had just had the most terrible tragedy, 1063 00:56:41,992 --> 00:56:43,867 he had just lost his brother, 1064 00:56:43,950 --> 00:56:45,492 he had lost his power, 1065 00:56:45,575 --> 00:56:47,742 which was as the attorney general. 1066 00:56:47,825 --> 00:56:50,242 He didn't know what was gonna happen to Jackie, 1067 00:56:50,325 --> 00:56:52,700 and he didn't know where to go. 1068 00:56:52,783 --> 00:56:56,950 And you can imagine that others in that situation 1069 00:56:57,033 --> 00:57:00,283 might be filled with a spirit of revenge, 1070 00:57:00,367 --> 00:57:03,033 or anger, or... 1071 00:57:03,117 --> 00:57:07,325 being, you know, kicking out, or just so mad. 1072 00:57:07,408 --> 00:57:10,867 And his words are just amazing to me. 1073 00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:14,783 They are about responsibility, kindness, 1074 00:57:14,867 --> 00:57:16,575 working for our country, 1075 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,575 and love. 1076 00:57:21,283 --> 00:57:25,367 And now, it is my privilege and honor... 1077 00:57:25,450 --> 00:57:28,075 to introduce Robert Kennedy. 1078 00:57:45,658 --> 00:57:46,992 Mr. Chairman... 1079 00:57:51,533 --> 00:57:53,533 I was sitting in the living room, 1080 00:57:53,617 --> 00:57:55,575 just watching him give the speech, 1081 00:57:55,658 --> 00:57:58,825 and the clapping continued for 17 minutes. 1082 00:57:58,908 --> 00:58:01,242 And it was just so breathtaking. 1083 00:58:01,325 --> 00:58:04,033 And it was sort of like tears coming down his eyes. 1084 00:58:09,742 --> 00:58:10,908 Mr. Chairman... 1085 00:58:32,283 --> 00:58:35,283 I realize that, as an individual, 1086 00:58:35,367 --> 00:58:37,617 that we can't just look back, 1087 00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:40,117 that we must look forward. When I think of... 1088 00:58:41,492 --> 00:58:43,242 President Kennedy, I think of... 1089 00:58:45,117 --> 00:58:48,992 of what Shakespeare said in Romeo and Juliet. 1090 00:58:49,075 --> 00:58:51,033 "When he shall die... 1091 00:58:51,117 --> 00:58:53,742 take him and cut him out in little stars, 1092 00:58:53,825 --> 00:58:56,950 and he shall make the face of heaven so fine 1093 00:58:57,033 --> 00:58:59,950 that all the world will be in love with night... 1094 00:59:00,033 --> 00:59:02,867 and pay no worship to the garish sun." 1095 00:59:07,492 --> 00:59:12,908 It was such an outpouring of emotion and love for Jack... 1096 00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,033 and it washed over Daddy. 1097 00:59:23,242 --> 00:59:25,867 I think after the Canadians named Mount Kennedy, 1098 00:59:25,950 --> 00:59:28,283 the highest unclimbed peak in Canada, 1099 00:59:28,367 --> 00:59:29,617 after his brother, 1100 00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:32,950 I think he knew that he needed to be the first to climb it. 1101 00:59:33,033 --> 00:59:34,783 When did the idea first come to you 1102 00:59:34,867 --> 00:59:37,033 to climb the mountain? 1103 00:59:37,117 --> 00:59:40,200 I think my younger brother suggested that we both do it. 1104 00:59:40,283 --> 00:59:41,783 Why isn't Teddy coming out? 1105 00:59:41,867 --> 00:59:44,992 Well, that's what I'm gonna f... try to find out. 1106 00:59:45,075 --> 00:59:48,950 Here was Daddy, who arrived in a business suit, 1107 00:59:49,033 --> 00:59:51,783 changed into his mountain climbing gear, 1108 00:59:51,867 --> 00:59:54,325 and just wanted to get right up there. 1109 00:59:56,575 --> 01:00:01,408 It was three days of climbing up and back again. 1110 01:00:05,492 --> 01:00:07,325 Daddy brought up a flag 1111 01:00:07,408 --> 01:00:10,992 with the Kennedy family coat of arms, 1112 01:00:11,075 --> 01:00:15,242 and then coins with Jack's face on them. 1113 01:00:16,492 --> 01:00:17,867 Did he like climbing? 1114 01:00:17,950 --> 01:00:20,075 No, he hated every moment of it. 1115 01:00:20,742 --> 01:00:22,825 But he did it to honor Jack. 1116 01:00:29,867 --> 01:00:31,742 It was cleansing, or... 1117 01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:36,450 gave him the impetus to... 1118 01:00:37,450 --> 01:00:39,408 go on, and, uh... 1119 01:00:41,908 --> 01:00:42,950 start again. 1120 01:00:44,617 --> 01:00:45,825 He started... 1121 01:00:46,908 --> 01:00:50,242 little baby steps to come out of it... 1122 01:00:50,325 --> 01:00:54,408 but I think it was really you children who did it. 1123 01:00:54,492 --> 01:00:57,033 And you can see it in the photographs of the time, 1124 01:00:57,117 --> 01:00:59,658 when he was playing touch football with you. 1125 01:01:02,867 --> 01:01:04,950 Oh, Kathleen! 1126 01:01:14,117 --> 01:01:15,658 In 1964, 1127 01:01:15,742 --> 01:01:19,075 my father decided to run for the United States Senate. 1128 01:01:19,783 --> 01:01:22,158 Over the past few weeks... 1129 01:01:22,242 --> 01:01:23,950 many leading members of the Democratic 1130 01:01:24,033 --> 01:01:27,450 and the Liberal parties here in the state of New York 1131 01:01:27,533 --> 01:01:29,783 have talked to me about being a candidate 1132 01:01:29,867 --> 01:01:31,325 for the United States Senate. 1133 01:01:31,408 --> 01:01:32,783 Mrs. Kennedy, how do you feel 1134 01:01:32,867 --> 01:01:35,867 about transferring your family to the state of New York? 1135 01:01:35,950 --> 01:01:37,908 I'm looking forward to it. 1136 01:01:37,992 --> 01:01:40,242 This was the first time he was running... 1137 01:01:40,325 --> 01:01:41,617 - On his own. - Yeah. 1138 01:01:41,700 --> 01:01:44,783 Yeah, and it was totally different, and he was... 1139 01:01:47,992 --> 01:01:49,617 not as comfortable. 1140 01:01:49,700 --> 01:01:52,367 I think that the election is of great importance, 1141 01:01:52,450 --> 01:01:55,158 and I think Queens is a pivitable... piv... 1142 01:01:55,242 --> 01:01:58,867 It's been a long day. 1143 01:01:58,950 --> 01:02:01,450 It's been a long campaign. 1144 01:02:01,533 --> 01:02:04,908 Whereas Jack was a born orator, 1145 01:02:04,992 --> 01:02:07,533 nothing came naturally to Daddy. 1146 01:02:08,658 --> 01:02:11,283 He really had to, um... 1147 01:02:12,575 --> 01:02:15,033 struggle for everything. 1148 01:02:15,117 --> 01:02:17,867 In 1963, the people in the Plattsburgh area 1149 01:02:17,950 --> 01:02:22,158 paid 12 million dollars... taxes... schools... 1150 01:02:22,242 --> 01:02:26,492 If my opponent had his way, your a... area would have lost. 1151 01:02:26,575 --> 01:02:28,117 I stumbled on that. 1152 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,575 Campaigning was totally against his nature. 1153 01:02:32,283 --> 01:02:33,492 And how did you like it? 1154 01:02:33,575 --> 01:02:35,200 I loved it. 1155 01:02:37,450 --> 01:02:39,283 What can I tell you? 1156 01:02:39,367 --> 01:02:40,992 Well, I just think when people think 1157 01:02:41,075 --> 01:02:43,450 of Bob Kennedy, they think of courage, 1158 01:02:43,533 --> 01:02:45,700 and I can't think of anyone 1159 01:02:45,783 --> 01:02:48,242 who would better represent you 1160 01:02:48,325 --> 01:02:50,992 in the Senate of the United States. 1161 01:02:51,075 --> 01:02:53,950 Daddy moved from behind the scenes to, 1162 01:02:54,033 --> 01:02:56,200 you know, a very public figure in those years, 1163 01:02:56,283 --> 01:02:59,158 and those were not easy transitions for him. 1164 01:03:00,158 --> 01:03:02,742 Mommy lifted Daddy up. 1165 01:03:02,825 --> 01:03:06,283 He had a lot in him, but it's hard to get that out, 1166 01:03:06,367 --> 01:03:09,700 and you had to have that faith that she had in him. 1167 01:03:09,783 --> 01:03:11,242 I always have felt that, 1168 01:03:11,325 --> 01:03:13,992 having been a campaign manager before, that... 1169 01:03:14,075 --> 01:03:16,200 90 percent of the talk was done by men, 1170 01:03:16,283 --> 01:03:18,492 and 90 percent of the work was done by women. 1171 01:03:23,075 --> 01:03:25,325 - Hello. - Nice to see you. 1172 01:03:25,408 --> 01:03:27,242 - Hello. - Nice to be here. 1173 01:03:27,325 --> 01:03:29,783 Thank you for wearing his button. 1174 01:03:29,867 --> 01:03:32,200 We had a house in New York. 1175 01:03:32,283 --> 01:03:34,908 It was in Glen Cove, Long Island. 1176 01:03:34,992 --> 01:03:39,325 So there were a lot of gatherings there. 1177 01:03:39,408 --> 01:03:42,742 Hundreds of women. But I was pregnant. 1178 01:03:44,617 --> 01:03:46,450 - You were always pregnant. - I know. 1179 01:03:47,783 --> 01:03:49,200 I was just getting bigger 1180 01:03:49,283 --> 01:03:51,950 and bigger and bigger. I mean... 1181 01:03:52,033 --> 01:03:55,742 For the last 14 years, Bobby' been down serving 1182 01:03:55,825 --> 01:03:57,658 the federal government in Washington. 1183 01:03:57,742 --> 01:04:00,450 And now he'll care for you. But the only thing is 1184 01:04:00,533 --> 01:04:02,242 he needs you to care for him first, 1185 01:04:02,325 --> 01:04:04,908 and for you to support him. 1186 01:04:04,992 --> 01:04:06,658 We were part of that campaign, 1187 01:04:06,742 --> 01:04:08,408 and we went everywhere with him. 1188 01:04:08,492 --> 01:04:10,700 We went to the Finger Lakes, we went to Syracuse, 1189 01:04:10,783 --> 01:04:13,617 and Rochester, and Rye, and Schenectady... 1190 01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:16,367 We just could not wait to go campaigning, 1191 01:04:16,450 --> 01:04:19,283 which, if you talk to children of politicians, 1192 01:04:19,367 --> 01:04:21,742 this is not a common theme whatsoever. 1193 01:04:21,825 --> 01:04:23,700 But they always made it an adventure. 1194 01:04:23,783 --> 01:04:28,283 So it just felt so holistic, 1195 01:04:28,367 --> 01:04:31,408 like this was part of our life. 1196 01:04:31,492 --> 01:04:33,450 Daddy was attacked for his decision 1197 01:04:33,533 --> 01:04:36,283 to run for the Senate in New York. 1198 01:04:36,367 --> 01:04:38,325 He was called a carpetbagger. 1199 01:04:38,408 --> 01:04:40,617 Aren't you really using New York State 1200 01:04:40,700 --> 01:04:42,575 as a kind of jumping-off place 1201 01:04:42,658 --> 01:04:45,408 for your own presidential ambitions? 1202 01:04:51,242 --> 01:04:55,533 Well, first let me say I would... I have really two choices 1203 01:04:55,617 --> 01:04:58,908 uh, over the period of the last ten months. 1204 01:04:58,992 --> 01:05:00,325 I could've retired, 1205 01:05:00,408 --> 01:05:02,200 and, uh... 1206 01:05:02,283 --> 01:05:05,742 And I... my, uh... father has done very well, 1207 01:05:05,825 --> 01:05:07,200 and I could've lived off him. 1208 01:05:10,533 --> 01:05:12,450 Frankly, I don't need the title. 1209 01:05:12,533 --> 01:05:14,450 'Cause I could be called General, I understand, 1210 01:05:14,533 --> 01:05:16,242 for the rest of my life. I've been... 1211 01:05:21,575 --> 01:05:23,075 And I don't need the money, 1212 01:05:23,158 --> 01:05:24,617 and I don't need the office space. 1213 01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:27,825 So I would just... I mean... 1214 01:05:28,492 --> 01:05:30,450 Frank as it is, and maybe 1215 01:05:30,533 --> 01:05:33,033 it's difficult to understand in the state of New York, 1216 01:05:33,117 --> 01:05:35,200 I'd like to just be a good United States senator. 1217 01:05:35,283 --> 01:05:37,575 I'd like to serve. 1218 01:05:41,783 --> 01:05:43,992 He's the United States senator from New York, 1219 01:05:44,075 --> 01:05:48,033 so said the people of this state by a half a million votes. 1220 01:05:48,117 --> 01:05:50,200 Daddy won his seat in the Senate, 1221 01:05:50,283 --> 01:05:53,367 beating Kenneth Keating with 55 percent of the vote. 1222 01:05:53,450 --> 01:05:56,658 Senator, in assessing the results of the campaign, 1223 01:05:56,742 --> 01:05:58,658 what do you attribute your success to? 1224 01:05:58,742 --> 01:06:02,242 I think just the effort that we made in the campaign. 1225 01:06:02,325 --> 01:06:04,658 And Ethel. 1226 01:06:04,742 --> 01:06:07,367 Here's a senator from Massachusetts. 1227 01:06:07,450 --> 01:06:09,992 He joined his younger brother, Teddy, 1228 01:06:10,075 --> 01:06:11,158 in the Senate. 1229 01:06:13,658 --> 01:06:17,075 It was a magical time, because Daddy 1230 01:06:17,158 --> 01:06:20,408 was very interested in ideas. 1231 01:06:20,492 --> 01:06:22,283 He was reading the Greeks. 1232 01:06:22,367 --> 01:06:25,492 Mommy and Daddy would take us to the theater. 1233 01:06:25,575 --> 01:06:29,242 You know, Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton were friends. 1234 01:06:29,325 --> 01:06:32,283 They would recite the Crispian Day Speech together. 1235 01:06:32,367 --> 01:06:33,533 I mean, there was just... 1236 01:06:33,617 --> 01:06:35,950 there was really a sense of excitement. 1237 01:06:37,283 --> 01:06:39,992 Mommy and Daddy also wanted us to see, 1238 01:06:40,075 --> 01:06:41,867 you know, how other people lived. 1239 01:06:41,950 --> 01:06:45,492 And so we'd often drive through Harlem 1240 01:06:45,575 --> 01:06:48,742 and the Bronx and Bedford-Stuyvesant. 1241 01:06:48,825 --> 01:06:52,367 They wanted to make sure that we didn't just think we... 1242 01:06:52,450 --> 01:06:54,700 the world was how we saw it. 1243 01:06:56,867 --> 01:06:59,867 We were appalled by the poverty 1244 01:06:59,950 --> 01:07:02,700 and that nobody was paying attention... 1245 01:07:02,783 --> 01:07:04,908 to the people on the lowest rungs 1246 01:07:04,992 --> 01:07:06,075 of the ladder. 1247 01:07:06,158 --> 01:07:07,700 I don't think that it's acceptable, 1248 01:07:07,783 --> 01:07:08,950 as I said before, 1249 01:07:09,033 --> 01:07:11,158 with the gross national product that this country has, 1250 01:07:11,242 --> 01:07:13,450 with the great amount of wealth that this country has, 1251 01:07:13,533 --> 01:07:15,367 that we still have people who can't find jobs, 1252 01:07:15,450 --> 01:07:18,075 we still have children who don't have enough to eat 1253 01:07:18,158 --> 01:07:19,950 and don't have clothes to wear. 1254 01:07:20,033 --> 01:07:23,033 Daddy was very focused on trying to do something. 1255 01:07:23,117 --> 01:07:24,742 You know, when I was very young, 1256 01:07:24,825 --> 01:07:28,408 he was interested in sort of justice, as in making sure 1257 01:07:28,492 --> 01:07:31,825 that people who had ripped off their fellow workers 1258 01:07:31,908 --> 01:07:34,617 or their employees should be brought to justice. 1259 01:07:34,700 --> 01:07:36,867 And now he was interested in justice 1260 01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:38,117 for the whole country. 1261 01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,783 When Daddy went down to the Delta, 1262 01:07:49,867 --> 01:07:54,867 he was just so riveted by the experience. 1263 01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:56,825 What did you have for lunch? 1264 01:07:56,908 --> 01:07:58,033 I haven't eaten. 1265 01:07:58,117 --> 01:07:59,950 - You haven't had lunch yet? - No. 1266 01:08:00,033 --> 01:08:02,617 He described how the children 1267 01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:04,200 had distended stomachs 1268 01:08:04,283 --> 01:08:06,033 and had sores all over their tummy 1269 01:08:06,117 --> 01:08:08,492 because they didn't have enough to eat. 1270 01:08:10,033 --> 01:08:13,408 He arrived home just as we were having dinner, 1271 01:08:13,492 --> 01:08:17,575 clearly moved and emotionally exhausted, I'd say... 1272 01:08:18,533 --> 01:08:22,075 from seeing such dire poverty. 1273 01:08:22,158 --> 01:08:24,617 I remember it was a lovely... a lovely evening, 1274 01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:28,075 and the... the table in our dining room was set. 1275 01:08:28,158 --> 01:08:31,450 And as you know, we had a really nice dining room, 1276 01:08:31,533 --> 01:08:34,825 with chandeliers and the crystal on the glasses, 1277 01:08:34,908 --> 01:08:38,200 and a cook to cook dinner, and somebody to serve it. 1278 01:08:38,283 --> 01:08:40,658 And Daddy walked in. I was... I was just there, 1279 01:08:40,742 --> 01:08:44,075 and he said, "I've just been, um... 1280 01:08:44,158 --> 01:08:46,742 to Mississippi, and I've seen a family 1281 01:08:46,825 --> 01:08:52,992 who live in a room the size of this dining room. 1282 01:08:53,075 --> 01:08:55,033 Do you know how lucky you are?" 1283 01:08:55,117 --> 01:08:58,242 And he was shaking. "Do you know how lucky you are? 1284 01:08:58,325 --> 01:09:00,700 You have to do something for our country. 1285 01:09:00,783 --> 01:09:02,200 You have to give back." 1286 01:09:02,283 --> 01:09:05,450 Huelga! Huelga! Huelga! 1287 01:09:05,533 --> 01:09:09,242 Huelga! Huelga! Huelga! Huelga! 1288 01:09:09,325 --> 01:09:12,158 At that time, Cesar Chavez was organizing 1289 01:09:12,242 --> 01:09:16,117 with the grape pickers, and he was on strike, 1290 01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,325 and he asked Daddy to come and see him. 1291 01:09:19,408 --> 01:09:21,367 Senator, are you a supporter of Mr. Chavez? 1292 01:09:21,450 --> 01:09:22,783 Is that why you're going up there? 1293 01:09:22,867 --> 01:09:24,617 Uh, he's been on a hunger strike 1294 01:09:24,700 --> 01:09:26,867 and has, uh, committed to non-violence, 1295 01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:29,700 and I think that's terribly important. 1296 01:09:29,783 --> 01:09:32,783 Cesar had been on a very long fast, 1297 01:09:32,867 --> 01:09:36,325 and Daddy wanted to be there at his side 1298 01:09:36,408 --> 01:09:40,825 after Cesar had made such a personal sacrifice. 1299 01:09:44,908 --> 01:09:48,742 Look at what friendship they had developed. 1300 01:09:49,408 --> 01:09:50,575 Yeah. 1301 01:09:52,783 --> 01:09:54,950 I think they would have been friends 1302 01:09:55,033 --> 01:09:58,700 under any circumstances, just because... 1303 01:09:58,783 --> 01:10:02,242 they cared so much about the same kind of people. 1304 01:10:05,658 --> 01:10:07,367 Somebody wrote on the, uh... 1305 01:10:08,575 --> 01:10:10,325 on the pyramids, the... 1306 01:10:11,825 --> 01:10:13,575 time they were being constructed, the words, 1307 01:10:13,658 --> 01:10:16,408 "And no one was angry enough to speak out." 1308 01:10:16,492 --> 01:10:19,033 I think people should be angry enough to speak out. 1309 01:10:19,117 --> 01:10:20,408 I think there are injustices. 1310 01:10:20,492 --> 01:10:22,242 I think there are unfairnesses in my own country 1311 01:10:22,325 --> 01:10:24,492 and around the world, and I think... 1312 01:10:24,575 --> 01:10:28,075 that, uh, if one feels involved in it, 1313 01:10:28,158 --> 01:10:30,158 that, uh, one should try to do something about it. 1314 01:10:33,117 --> 01:10:38,033 ? Come gather 'round, people Wherever you roam ? 1315 01:10:38,117 --> 01:10:42,658 ? And admit that the waters Around you have grown ? 1316 01:10:42,742 --> 01:10:47,200 ? And accept it that soon You'll be drenched to the bone ? 1317 01:10:49,033 --> 01:10:52,283 ? If your time to you Is worth savin' ? 1318 01:10:52,367 --> 01:10:54,242 We'll get to the promised land! 1319 01:10:54,325 --> 01:10:57,658 ? And you better start swimmin' Or you'll sink like a stone ? 1320 01:10:57,742 --> 01:11:01,825 ? For the times They are a-changin'... ? 1321 01:11:01,908 --> 01:11:04,533 By the mid-1960s, race relations 1322 01:11:04,617 --> 01:11:07,075 in the United States were badly strained. 1323 01:11:07,158 --> 01:11:10,075 Violence had broken out in cities across America. 1324 01:11:10,158 --> 01:11:13,158 Los Angeles, Newark, Detroit. 1325 01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:16,033 Added to this was Vietnam 1326 01:11:16,117 --> 01:11:18,367 and the growing anti-war movement. 1327 01:11:18,450 --> 01:11:21,367 Get out of Vietnam! Get out! Get out! 1328 01:11:21,450 --> 01:11:23,533 Get out of Vietnam! Get out! 1329 01:11:23,617 --> 01:11:25,450 Do you remember when Daddy decided 1330 01:11:25,533 --> 01:11:26,867 to run for president? 1331 01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:30,367 Yeah, I mean, I remember we had this conversation 1332 01:11:30,450 --> 01:11:34,325 around the dinner table, and he asked all of us, um... 1333 01:11:34,408 --> 01:11:37,658 all the kids, what do you think about him running? 1334 01:11:37,742 --> 01:11:40,242 And there was some discussion about Vietnam, 1335 01:11:40,325 --> 01:11:43,992 and there was some discussion about the civil rights movement. 1336 01:11:45,242 --> 01:11:48,367 Vietnam informed Daddy's decision 1337 01:11:48,450 --> 01:11:49,867 to run for president. 1338 01:11:49,950 --> 01:11:51,033 - Is that right? - Yes. 1339 01:11:51,117 --> 01:11:53,242 I would say 90 percent, probably. 1340 01:11:54,575 --> 01:11:55,867 Was the feeling that Johnson 1341 01:11:55,950 --> 01:11:57,867 - wasn't gonna get out? - Yes. 1342 01:11:57,950 --> 01:12:00,408 And was he interacting with Johnson 1343 01:12:00,492 --> 01:12:02,200 - at that point? - No. 1344 01:12:02,283 --> 01:12:04,242 - They didn't... - No, he was clearly 1345 01:12:04,325 --> 01:12:05,658 persona non grata. 1346 01:12:05,742 --> 01:12:09,200 For 20 years, first the French and then the United States 1347 01:12:09,283 --> 01:12:12,700 have been predicting victory in Vietnam. 1348 01:12:12,783 --> 01:12:18,742 Once, in 1962, I participated in such a prediction myself... 1349 01:12:18,825 --> 01:12:21,658 but for 20 years, we have been wrong. 1350 01:12:23,825 --> 01:12:28,033 The country was in such a state of miasma, 1351 01:12:28,117 --> 01:12:30,742 and it needed his spirit. 1352 01:12:31,742 --> 01:12:34,033 I am announcing today my candidacy... 1353 01:12:35,117 --> 01:12:37,992 for the presidency of the United States. 1354 01:12:38,075 --> 01:12:39,783 Do you remember when he announced 1355 01:12:39,867 --> 01:12:41,242 - his run for president? - Yes. 1356 01:12:41,325 --> 01:12:43,867 - Where was it? - In the Senate Caucus Room, 1357 01:12:43,950 --> 01:12:46,492 where, before him, Jack had. 1358 01:12:48,242 --> 01:12:49,450 So it was... 1359 01:12:50,158 --> 01:12:50,992 it was great. 1360 01:12:51,075 --> 01:12:52,908 I run for the presidency 1361 01:12:52,992 --> 01:12:55,908 because I want the United States of America 1362 01:12:55,992 --> 01:12:57,450 to stand for hope... 1363 01:12:58,075 --> 01:12:59,367 instead of despair. 1364 01:13:00,242 --> 01:13:02,450 For reconciliation of men... 1365 01:13:02,533 --> 01:13:06,283 instead of the growing risk of world war. 1366 01:13:06,367 --> 01:13:09,867 Most of Daddy's aides did not want Daddy to run. 1367 01:13:09,950 --> 01:13:11,825 Mommy, more than anybody, 1368 01:13:11,908 --> 01:13:14,658 knew that Daddy would be miserable 1369 01:13:14,742 --> 01:13:17,575 if he didn't join that campaign. 1370 01:13:18,492 --> 01:13:20,450 Daddy had entered the race late, 1371 01:13:20,533 --> 01:13:23,742 but he started campaigning vigorously. 1372 01:13:23,825 --> 01:13:26,742 And Mommy, who was pregnant with me at the time, 1373 01:13:26,825 --> 01:13:29,075 joined him as often as she could. 1374 01:13:29,158 --> 01:13:31,992 I don't think it's tolerable that young men and young women 1375 01:13:32,075 --> 01:13:35,408 growing up in our great cities are not able to find jobs. 1376 01:13:35,492 --> 01:13:39,533 And I think whites and blacks, poor and rich together, 1377 01:13:39,617 --> 01:13:42,408 that we can work together. 1378 01:13:42,492 --> 01:13:44,033 This first week has taken him 1379 01:13:44,117 --> 01:13:45,992 all across the country to the South 1380 01:13:46,075 --> 01:13:47,450 and to the Far West. 1381 01:13:47,533 --> 01:13:49,492 I would like to have the politics of reality 1382 01:13:49,575 --> 01:13:50,950 and the politics of hope. 1383 01:13:51,033 --> 01:13:52,742 Do you think it's going well, in general? 1384 01:13:52,825 --> 01:13:54,950 Well, I think winning in three primaries, 1385 01:13:55,033 --> 01:13:56,867 three for three, isn't bad. 1386 01:13:57,867 --> 01:13:59,575 I hate to burden you with questions now, 1387 01:13:59,658 --> 01:14:01,367 - but I'm just wondering. - That's okay. 1388 01:14:01,450 --> 01:14:03,867 Is this laryngitis a result of the campaign 1389 01:14:03,950 --> 01:14:05,533 - and the talking a lot? - Yes, yes, yes. 1390 01:14:05,617 --> 01:14:07,908 Is it 'cause you've been making so many speeches? 1391 01:14:07,992 --> 01:14:10,450 No, I think it's just the strenuous pace 1392 01:14:10,533 --> 01:14:11,825 of the campaign. 1393 01:14:17,533 --> 01:14:20,992 Dr. Martin Luther King, the apostle of non-violence 1394 01:14:21,075 --> 01:14:22,492 in the civil rights movement, 1395 01:14:22,575 --> 01:14:25,117 has been shot to death in Memphis, Tennessee. 1396 01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,325 The nation has not known such shock, 1397 01:14:27,408 --> 01:14:28,992 nor has it been so stunned, 1398 01:14:29,075 --> 01:14:31,533 since the assassination of President Kennedy. 1399 01:14:31,617 --> 01:14:34,658 Mommy and Daddy's campaign plane had just landed 1400 01:14:34,742 --> 01:14:35,908 in Indianapolis, 1401 01:14:35,992 --> 01:14:39,242 when they learned of Martin Luther King Jr.'s death. 1402 01:14:39,325 --> 01:14:42,408 Riots were breaking out in cities across the nation, 1403 01:14:42,492 --> 01:14:46,200 and the police told them to stay in their hotel. 1404 01:14:46,283 --> 01:14:48,242 The police did not want Daddy 1405 01:14:48,325 --> 01:14:50,575 to go into the inner city that night, 1406 01:14:50,658 --> 01:14:53,283 and I believe they said they wouldn't protect him, 1407 01:14:53,367 --> 01:14:57,242 but absolutely nothing was going to stop him. 1408 01:14:57,325 --> 01:15:01,033 'Cause I think he thought that maybe, just maybe, 1409 01:15:01,117 --> 01:15:04,825 he could present it in such a way... 1410 01:15:06,617 --> 01:15:08,950 that people would not riot. 1411 01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:23,075 Ladies and gentlemen... 1412 01:15:23,158 --> 01:15:26,492 I have some very sad news for all of you, 1413 01:15:26,575 --> 01:15:31,325 and I think, uh, sad news for all of our fellow citizens, 1414 01:15:31,408 --> 01:15:34,117 and that is that Martin Luther King 1415 01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,783 was shot and was killed tonight in Memphis, Tennessee. 1416 01:15:39,533 --> 01:15:41,408 For those of you who are... 1417 01:15:42,158 --> 01:15:43,658 Black... 1418 01:15:43,742 --> 01:15:45,492 and are tempted to fill with... 1419 01:15:45,575 --> 01:15:48,533 be filled with hatred and mistrust 1420 01:15:48,617 --> 01:15:50,242 against all white people, 1421 01:15:50,325 --> 01:15:54,742 I would also say that I can also feel in my own heart... 1422 01:15:54,825 --> 01:15:56,408 the same kind of feeling. 1423 01:15:57,408 --> 01:15:59,825 I had a member of my family killed... 1424 01:16:00,867 --> 01:16:02,950 but he was killed by a white man. 1425 01:16:04,325 --> 01:16:06,700 But we have to make an effort in the United States 1426 01:16:06,783 --> 01:16:10,492 to get beyond, or go beyond, these rather difficult times. 1427 01:16:10,575 --> 01:16:13,992 My favorite poet was Aeschylus. 1428 01:16:14,075 --> 01:16:15,575 And he once wrote, 1429 01:16:15,658 --> 01:16:17,367 "Even in our sleep, 1430 01:16:17,450 --> 01:16:20,117 pain which cannot forget... 1431 01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,075 falls drop by drop upon the heart... 1432 01:16:23,783 --> 01:16:26,158 until in our own despair... 1433 01:16:26,825 --> 01:16:28,617 against our will... 1434 01:16:28,700 --> 01:16:32,825 comes wisdom through the awful grace of God." 1435 01:16:32,908 --> 01:16:34,242 What we need in the United States... 1436 01:16:34,325 --> 01:16:36,617 In the wake of King's assassination, 1437 01:16:36,700 --> 01:16:39,908 riots broke out in more than 100 cities. 1438 01:16:39,992 --> 01:16:43,700 But in Indianapolis, there was no such violence. 1439 01:16:47,700 --> 01:16:51,242 I think there was a loss of hope at that time. 1440 01:16:51,325 --> 01:16:54,825 After Jack died, and then Martin Luther King was killed, 1441 01:16:54,908 --> 01:16:57,617 many people put their final hopes in Daddy. 1442 01:16:59,617 --> 01:17:01,617 Robert Kennedy is the only man 1443 01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:04,033 on the current political structure 1444 01:17:04,117 --> 01:17:06,992 that can do the job that we need done. 1445 01:17:07,075 --> 01:17:08,867 Is there a second choice? 1446 01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:11,283 There is no second choice as far as we're concerned. 1447 01:17:19,242 --> 01:17:22,200 I want to first thank my wife, Ethel, 1448 01:17:22,283 --> 01:17:24,742 who, as all of you know, has made such a major difference 1449 01:17:24,825 --> 01:17:27,117 in this campaign and a major difference for me. 1450 01:17:30,325 --> 01:17:32,950 I don't think anybody could have 1451 01:17:33,033 --> 01:17:35,575 campaigned more vigorously or thoughtfully, 1452 01:17:35,658 --> 01:17:39,242 or gone to more cities or towns or villages. 1453 01:17:39,325 --> 01:17:43,492 And he had tremendous energy, and he really... 1454 01:17:43,575 --> 01:17:46,408 felt the need to talk to different people 1455 01:17:46,492 --> 01:17:49,117 and to get his views across. 1456 01:17:50,492 --> 01:17:53,117 Did you feel like Daddy was going to win? 1457 01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,075 He had lost in Oregon, right? 1458 01:17:55,158 --> 01:17:57,408 He lost in Oregon, and it was the first time 1459 01:17:57,492 --> 01:17:59,783 any Kennedy had lost, and it was... 1460 01:18:01,367 --> 01:18:04,033 not fun. Losing isn't any fun. 1461 01:18:04,117 --> 01:18:05,283 No kidding. 1462 01:18:05,367 --> 01:18:07,033 Why did I lose? 1463 01:18:07,117 --> 01:18:08,533 Just because I didn't do well enough. 1464 01:18:08,617 --> 01:18:10,450 I mean, I can't... There wasn't any, uh... 1465 01:18:10,533 --> 01:18:13,950 I can just... The only fault or blame is me. 1466 01:18:14,033 --> 01:18:16,783 I can't... But I can't... That's me. 1467 01:18:16,867 --> 01:18:19,450 Everybody agreed that Daddy's loss in Oregon 1468 01:18:19,533 --> 01:18:21,533 did not bode well for the campaign, 1469 01:18:22,283 --> 01:18:23,783 but he went on to California, 1470 01:18:23,867 --> 01:18:26,450 and there the campaign picked up steam. 1471 01:18:26,533 --> 01:18:29,908 Decency is at the heart of the matter, 1472 01:18:29,992 --> 01:18:31,867 for poverty is indecent. 1473 01:18:31,950 --> 01:18:33,908 Illiteracy is indecent. 1474 01:18:33,992 --> 01:18:37,617 The death or maiming of a brave young man 1475 01:18:37,700 --> 01:18:40,617 in the swamps of Asia or South Vietnam, 1476 01:18:40,700 --> 01:18:41,992 that is indecent. 1477 01:18:46,533 --> 01:18:49,367 We went to, uh, California 1478 01:18:49,450 --> 01:18:52,742 in June, and we campaigned in Watts, 1479 01:18:52,825 --> 01:18:56,992 and we had Rafer Johnson and Rosey Grier, uh... 1480 01:18:57,075 --> 01:19:00,117 holding Daddy on the top of a convertible, 1481 01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,325 and we were all holding on for dear life, 1482 01:19:02,408 --> 01:19:04,450 and everybody was just reaching up 1483 01:19:04,533 --> 01:19:06,992 to see him and to touch him and to... 1484 01:19:07,075 --> 01:19:09,783 to even, like, to rip... rip his shirt off. 1485 01:19:09,867 --> 01:19:11,283 It was like he was a Beatle. 1486 01:19:11,367 --> 01:19:13,450 He was... he was just... 1487 01:19:13,533 --> 01:19:14,700 He touched people, 1488 01:19:14,783 --> 01:19:17,617 and they, in return, wanted to physically touch him. 1489 01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:19,408 - Mr. Kennedy! - Mr. Kennedy! 1490 01:19:19,492 --> 01:19:21,325 California loves you! 1491 01:19:21,408 --> 01:19:24,033 There was a lot hinging on California. 1492 01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:27,492 - I think the works. - Right. 1493 01:19:27,575 --> 01:19:29,075 Daddy went on to win 1494 01:19:29,158 --> 01:19:30,533 - the primary... - Right. 1495 01:19:30,617 --> 01:19:31,950 - ...in California. - Yeah. 1496 01:19:32,033 --> 01:19:33,867 Which is such a thrilling moment, 1497 01:19:33,950 --> 01:19:35,742 'cause it really seemed... 1498 01:19:35,825 --> 01:19:37,950 - like he might win. - Yeah. 1499 01:19:38,033 --> 01:19:42,367 Yeah, then there was a very optimistic feeling. 1500 01:19:42,450 --> 01:19:48,742 RFK! RFK! RFK! 1501 01:19:56,325 --> 01:19:58,867 A few minutes after he made his victory speech 1502 01:19:58,950 --> 01:20:00,992 in the ballroom of the Ambassador Hotel 1503 01:20:01,075 --> 01:20:02,492 in Los Angeles, 1504 01:20:02,575 --> 01:20:03,908 my father was shot. 1505 01:20:07,575 --> 01:20:08,992 Then we lost Daddy. 1506 01:20:15,658 --> 01:20:17,325 Talk about something else. 1507 01:20:19,950 --> 01:20:23,075 What happened was I was in California 1508 01:20:23,158 --> 01:20:26,033 with Courtney and David and Michael, 1509 01:20:26,117 --> 01:20:28,533 campaigning, and, um... 1510 01:20:29,158 --> 01:20:31,533 uh... 1511 01:20:32,783 --> 01:20:33,867 Um... 1512 01:20:35,908 --> 01:20:38,242 David stayed with Daddy and Mommy 1513 01:20:38,325 --> 01:20:42,575 to, um, watch the returns, um... 1514 01:20:43,992 --> 01:20:49,242 and Michael and Courtney and I went back to the hotel 1515 01:20:49,325 --> 01:20:51,617 and, um, and went to sleep. 1516 01:20:51,700 --> 01:20:53,533 And the next morning, I probably woke up 1517 01:20:53,617 --> 01:20:55,533 at 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning, 1518 01:20:55,617 --> 01:20:58,283 and I turned on the television to watch cartoons, 1519 01:20:58,367 --> 01:21:01,867 and, uh, the news, you know, just kept coming across, 1520 01:21:01,950 --> 01:21:03,783 um, about Daddy. 1521 01:21:03,867 --> 01:21:05,950 Senator Robert Francis Kennedy... 1522 01:21:07,367 --> 01:21:09,950 died at 1:44... 1523 01:21:10,867 --> 01:21:12,450 a.m. today... 1524 01:21:13,992 --> 01:21:18,075 June 6, 1968. 1525 01:21:18,158 --> 01:21:21,367 He was, uh, 42 years old. 1526 01:21:23,033 --> 01:21:24,075 Thank you. 1527 01:21:37,075 --> 01:21:39,492 We flew back and waked him 1528 01:21:39,575 --> 01:21:42,950 at St. Patrick's Cathedral, and in front of St. Patrick's, 1529 01:21:43,033 --> 01:21:46,575 there was, um, hundreds of thousands of people. 1530 01:21:46,658 --> 01:21:48,742 The crowds were eight feet thick. 1531 01:21:49,533 --> 01:21:51,325 It was such an outpouring. 1532 01:21:51,408 --> 01:21:55,867 It was amazing. You know, around the block... 1533 01:21:56,533 --> 01:21:57,700 five deep... 1534 01:21:59,033 --> 01:22:00,492 at St. Patrick's. 1535 01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,325 My brother need not be idealized 1536 01:22:12,408 --> 01:22:16,575 or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life. 1537 01:22:16,658 --> 01:22:20,325 To be remembered simply as a good and decent man 1538 01:22:20,408 --> 01:22:22,700 who saw wrong and tried to right it, 1539 01:22:23,908 --> 01:22:26,283 saw suffering and tried to heal it, 1540 01:22:27,075 --> 01:22:29,825 saw war and tried to stop it. 1541 01:22:37,408 --> 01:22:39,117 The next day, we took him down 1542 01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,200 to Washington, DC, on the train. 1543 01:22:42,283 --> 01:22:44,242 The train ride took us seven hours 1544 01:22:44,325 --> 01:22:46,867 because there were so many people on the tracks. 1545 01:22:49,492 --> 01:22:51,533 It was long... 1546 01:22:51,617 --> 01:22:54,533 and hot and very sad, 1547 01:22:54,617 --> 01:22:59,575 and just people... all along... 1548 01:22:59,658 --> 01:23:03,658 with the signs that they had up, and... 1549 01:23:03,742 --> 01:23:05,867 and the tears in their eyes, and... 1550 01:23:05,950 --> 01:23:07,283 They just seemed like... 1551 01:23:07,825 --> 01:23:09,367 broken. 1552 01:23:12,325 --> 01:23:14,617 I have just such a strong memory 1553 01:23:14,700 --> 01:23:16,950 of all those crowds of people. 1554 01:23:17,033 --> 01:23:20,700 And I kind of loved going through that train and seeing 1555 01:23:20,783 --> 01:23:23,367 all those friends of our families 1556 01:23:23,450 --> 01:23:26,325 and just feeling like we're all here together, 1557 01:23:26,408 --> 01:23:28,867 and everybody loves each other, and... 1558 01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:31,325 And looking out the windows of that train 1559 01:23:31,408 --> 01:23:33,742 and seeing so many different people 1560 01:23:33,825 --> 01:23:36,450 and it just seemed like every color of the rainbow, 1561 01:23:36,533 --> 01:23:38,242 and these kind of groups of white people 1562 01:23:38,325 --> 01:23:41,950 and these groups of Black people all along the tracks. 1563 01:23:42,033 --> 01:23:43,992 I don't know, it was a very positive, 1564 01:23:44,075 --> 01:23:45,992 very, very, positive sense, 1565 01:23:46,075 --> 01:23:50,325 in the midst of all that horror, this kind of... 1566 01:23:51,867 --> 01:23:54,783 sense of unity and of love. 1567 01:23:57,700 --> 01:23:59,783 Everybody commented at the time 1568 01:23:59,867 --> 01:24:03,367 how extraordinary you were, and strong and... 1569 01:24:03,950 --> 01:24:04,992 Well... 1570 01:24:06,117 --> 01:24:07,367 I don't know. 1571 01:24:08,658 --> 01:24:11,242 A lot of wonderful children to be with. 1572 01:24:11,325 --> 01:24:13,700 Do you think that faith helped you at that point, 1573 01:24:13,783 --> 01:24:16,783 - or is it just keep going? - Yes, I just wake up 1574 01:24:16,867 --> 01:24:19,575 every morning and think of Daddy... 1575 01:24:20,575 --> 01:24:22,617 uh, up there with Jack... 1576 01:24:24,242 --> 01:24:26,158 and Joe and... 1577 01:24:27,325 --> 01:24:30,283 my parents and a lot of my brothers and sisters. 1578 01:24:30,367 --> 01:24:31,408 Yeah. 1579 01:24:32,367 --> 01:24:34,658 Probably arguing with them, but... 1580 01:24:34,742 --> 01:24:36,283 Trying to convince them 1581 01:24:36,367 --> 01:24:38,533 to become Democrats? 1582 01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:46,367 When we lost Daddy, I was 11. I didn't understand it. 1583 01:24:46,450 --> 01:24:48,950 And, uh... 1584 01:24:49,033 --> 01:24:53,200 she said to me, "Daddy is so happy, 1585 01:24:53,283 --> 01:24:54,992 nothing can take that away from him, 1586 01:24:55,075 --> 01:24:58,367 and he's in the most joyous, abundant place." 1587 01:24:58,950 --> 01:25:00,700 And she's joyous. 1588 01:25:00,783 --> 01:25:02,950 While the rest of the world was grieving 1589 01:25:03,033 --> 01:25:04,492 and the family was grieving, 1590 01:25:04,575 --> 01:25:06,617 she saw the best in it. 1591 01:25:06,700 --> 01:25:09,867 And she saw the best in it because her faith is so strong. 1592 01:25:09,950 --> 01:25:12,408 And that's carried her, I believe, through everything, 1593 01:25:12,492 --> 01:25:16,367 through, uh, losing David and then Michael. 1594 01:25:16,450 --> 01:25:22,492 And she so strongly believes that they're happy and free. 1595 01:25:24,783 --> 01:25:26,075 In 1984, 1596 01:25:26,158 --> 01:25:29,033 my brother David died from a drug overdose. 1597 01:25:29,117 --> 01:25:30,825 He was 28 years old. 1598 01:25:34,075 --> 01:25:37,783 And then, in 1997, my brother Michael died 1599 01:25:37,867 --> 01:25:39,492 in a skiing accident. 1600 01:25:39,575 --> 01:25:40,783 He was 39. 1601 01:25:53,283 --> 01:25:54,450 I remember 1602 01:25:54,533 --> 01:25:56,533 sort of towards the end of June of that year, 1603 01:25:56,617 --> 01:25:58,992 we went with my uncle Teddy on a sailboat, 1604 01:25:59,075 --> 01:26:01,075 and we went around Martha's Vineyard 1605 01:26:01,158 --> 01:26:03,533 and Nantucket Sound for a few days, 1606 01:26:03,617 --> 01:26:05,158 just to get away from everything 1607 01:26:05,242 --> 01:26:07,283 and to be with the family, and... 1608 01:26:07,367 --> 01:26:11,200 I remember dragging behind the boat with my mother 1609 01:26:11,283 --> 01:26:14,450 and thinking she looked very pregnant. 1610 01:26:14,908 --> 01:26:16,367 And... 1611 01:26:16,450 --> 01:26:19,658 Teddy said something, and she started laughing 1612 01:26:19,742 --> 01:26:23,492 and laughing and laughing, you know, almost uncontrollably. 1613 01:26:23,575 --> 01:26:26,992 And I thought... and then I thought, "Well... 1614 01:26:27,075 --> 01:26:28,950 there is going to be laughter again. 1615 01:26:29,033 --> 01:26:31,908 There is laughter, and this doesn't all have to be 1616 01:26:31,992 --> 01:26:34,325 so dark and horrible." 1617 01:26:34,408 --> 01:26:39,367 Although she'd lost Daddy, she... she did have 11 children. 1618 01:26:39,450 --> 01:26:41,533 And she had you to fight for 1619 01:26:41,617 --> 01:26:44,617 and live for in the first six months. 1620 01:26:50,325 --> 01:26:51,867 I was born. 1621 01:26:51,950 --> 01:26:53,825 Yes. 1622 01:26:53,908 --> 01:26:56,825 That was the joy of my life. 1623 01:26:56,908 --> 01:26:58,158 Thank you. 1624 01:26:58,242 --> 01:27:00,575 - So that was a few months... - That was wonderful. 1625 01:27:00,658 --> 01:27:02,325 A few months later. 1626 01:27:02,408 --> 01:27:07,658 We want to say how happy we are today, and, uh... 1627 01:27:07,742 --> 01:27:12,242 uh, and I told Ethel that I think Joan and I are gonna 1628 01:27:12,325 --> 01:27:13,617 take this baby home. 1629 01:27:13,700 --> 01:27:16,492 We think Ethel has enough of them at home, anyway. 1630 01:27:16,575 --> 01:27:19,283 And then you guys went to Arlington with me? 1631 01:27:19,367 --> 01:27:20,408 Yeah. 1632 01:27:20,492 --> 01:27:22,492 And how was that? 1633 01:27:22,575 --> 01:27:24,825 Well, bittersweet, you know. 1634 01:27:25,658 --> 01:27:26,742 Yeah. 1635 01:27:30,867 --> 01:27:33,908 - Dougie, see your little sister? - Look how big she is! 1636 01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:36,908 It's Rory. 1637 01:27:37,533 --> 01:27:39,783 Can you say her name? 1638 01:27:39,867 --> 01:27:43,408 Teddy had asked what your name would be... 1639 01:27:43,492 --> 01:27:48,158 and I said, "Rory, the last of the Irish kings." 1640 01:27:48,908 --> 01:27:50,617 And he said, "Oh! 1641 01:27:52,158 --> 01:27:54,283 Well, you need to teach her 1642 01:27:54,367 --> 01:27:57,742 'Rory, Rory, grab the dory, there's a herring in the bay.'" 1643 01:27:59,283 --> 01:28:01,200 "Forget the dory, Rory." 1644 01:28:01,283 --> 01:28:03,950 - Oh, yeah, forget the... - "The herring got away." 1645 01:28:04,033 --> 01:28:07,242 You remember it more than I did. 1646 01:28:08,325 --> 01:28:09,992 By the time I was born, 1647 01:28:10,075 --> 01:28:12,492 part of the story was already over... 1648 01:28:12,575 --> 01:28:15,658 and another, different story was just beginning. 1649 01:28:20,575 --> 01:28:23,033 Good afternoon. My name is Christopher. 1650 01:28:23,117 --> 01:28:25,325 Coming about... Right now we're coming about. 1651 01:28:25,408 --> 01:28:29,742 The sheets are rattling. Mommy's turning that wheel. 1652 01:28:29,825 --> 01:28:32,533 We're gonna have Douglas Kennedy speak on the recorder, 1653 01:28:32,617 --> 01:28:34,908 and he is a great guy. 1654 01:28:34,992 --> 01:28:38,408 This is Douglas speaking. Uh, I'm four and a half. 1655 01:28:38,492 --> 01:28:42,033 And I love Mommy. 1656 01:28:43,158 --> 01:28:45,367 At home, how much did things change 1657 01:28:45,450 --> 01:28:47,033 after Daddy died? 1658 01:28:47,117 --> 01:28:50,533 I think the only way to deal with 11 children, 1659 01:28:50,617 --> 01:28:54,825 with their friends, with 30 or 40 first cousins, 1660 01:28:54,908 --> 01:28:59,200 is with structure and discipline and routine and organization. 1661 01:28:59,283 --> 01:29:02,033 And Mommy brought structure and discipline and routine 1662 01:29:02,117 --> 01:29:05,867 and organization to every aspect of our lives. 1663 01:29:05,950 --> 01:29:09,700 It's interesting because, especially after Daddy died, 1664 01:29:09,783 --> 01:29:12,075 we learned sports from Mommy. 1665 01:29:12,158 --> 01:29:14,450 And she taught us to ski, 1666 01:29:14,533 --> 01:29:18,533 she taught us to play football, she made sure 1667 01:29:18,617 --> 01:29:20,867 that we weren't going to sit around 1668 01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:23,450 and feel sorry for ourselves. 1669 01:29:23,533 --> 01:29:25,117 Bless us, oh, Lord, in these, thy gifts 1670 01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:26,325 which we are about to receive 1671 01:29:26,408 --> 01:29:28,700 from thy bounty through Christ, our Lord, Amen. 1672 01:29:28,783 --> 01:29:30,867 David called in today. 1673 01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:32,158 He did? 1674 01:29:32,242 --> 01:29:34,325 And do you know what the temperature is 1675 01:29:34,408 --> 01:29:35,742 where he's working? 1676 01:29:35,825 --> 01:29:39,867 A hundred and seventeen, in La Paz, California. 1677 01:29:39,950 --> 01:29:44,533 She sent the older kids to places in our country 1678 01:29:44,617 --> 01:29:47,325 and around the world so that we could understand 1679 01:29:47,408 --> 01:29:50,617 and live with different cultures. 1680 01:29:50,700 --> 01:29:54,658 So Kathleen went and lived on an Indian reservation, 1681 01:29:54,742 --> 01:29:57,783 and Joe lived with a family in Spain, 1682 01:29:57,867 --> 01:30:01,408 and Bobby lived with a group of people in Africa. 1683 01:30:01,492 --> 01:30:06,117 Uh, Courtney and I went and worked on a farm in Utah. 1684 01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,700 David worked with Cesar Chavez. 1685 01:30:09,783 --> 01:30:12,783 Do you know that he works ten hours a day, 1686 01:30:12,867 --> 01:30:13,950 for eight cents an hour? 1687 01:30:14,033 --> 01:30:16,950 Are you looking forward to doing something like that? 1688 01:30:17,033 --> 01:30:19,367 Wouldn't you like to work for Cesar Chavez? 1689 01:30:19,450 --> 01:30:20,283 Sure. 1690 01:30:20,367 --> 01:30:21,742 Not for eight cents an hour. 1691 01:30:21,825 --> 01:30:23,533 Not for eight cents an hour. 1692 01:30:23,617 --> 01:30:26,283 Imagine trying to raise your family on that. 1693 01:30:26,367 --> 01:30:28,783 Although I think they were equal partners, 1694 01:30:28,867 --> 01:30:33,492 my mother took a step behind, and she was supporting Daddy. 1695 01:30:33,575 --> 01:30:37,742 And after we lost him, I think she felt the need 1696 01:30:37,825 --> 01:30:40,033 to become more of a leader. 1697 01:30:45,617 --> 01:30:48,075 She continues, in a wonderful way, 1698 01:30:48,158 --> 01:30:50,783 to help carry on a lot of Daddy's causes. 1699 01:30:50,867 --> 01:30:54,033 You know, she'll go walk with Cesar Chavez. 1700 01:30:55,908 --> 01:30:58,325 Cesar has broken his fast 1701 01:30:58,408 --> 01:31:00,492 from the hand of Ethel Kennedy. 1702 01:31:02,700 --> 01:31:07,533 She became a force of nature in her own right 1703 01:31:07,617 --> 01:31:10,367 and was questioning authority, 1704 01:31:10,450 --> 01:31:14,700 and calling congressmen and governors and senators 1705 01:31:14,783 --> 01:31:18,742 to say, "Why aren't things being made better?" 1706 01:31:20,533 --> 01:31:22,492 She put so much energy 1707 01:31:22,575 --> 01:31:26,533 into the Bedford-Stuyvesant restoration program. 1708 01:31:27,617 --> 01:31:30,158 She started the Robert F. Kennedy Center 1709 01:31:30,242 --> 01:31:31,742 for Justice and Human Rights 1710 01:31:31,825 --> 01:31:34,033 to carry forward his unfinished work. 1711 01:31:35,242 --> 01:31:36,867 The Robert F. Kennedy Center, 1712 01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:39,908 which my mother founded in 1968, 1713 01:31:39,992 --> 01:31:42,408 helps support journalists, writers, 1714 01:31:42,492 --> 01:31:46,533 and human rights activists who carry on my father's work. 1715 01:31:46,617 --> 01:31:48,033 Over the last 20 years, 1716 01:31:48,117 --> 01:31:50,533 she's gone on human rights delegations 1717 01:31:50,617 --> 01:31:53,408 to Namibia, Albania, Czechoslovakia, 1718 01:31:53,492 --> 01:31:55,783 Haiti, Hungary, Kenya, Mexico, 1719 01:31:55,867 --> 01:31:58,367 Northern Ireland, Poland, South Africa... 1720 01:31:58,450 --> 01:32:01,408 Seeing our mother walk in his absence, 1721 01:32:01,492 --> 01:32:05,783 along that same path, really impacted all of us. 1722 01:32:05,867 --> 01:32:10,242 That gave us not the obligation, but the gift 1723 01:32:10,325 --> 01:32:13,033 of a contributory life. 1724 01:32:13,117 --> 01:32:16,367 So many kids in our family, so many people in our family, 1725 01:32:16,450 --> 01:32:19,075 are involved in social justice work, 1726 01:32:19,158 --> 01:32:22,908 and it's always attributed to my father, and... which... 1727 01:32:22,992 --> 01:32:24,200 He deserves that. 1728 01:32:24,283 --> 01:32:28,200 But the truth is, he died when we were very, very young, 1729 01:32:28,283 --> 01:32:30,783 so that really comes from my mother. 1730 01:32:30,867 --> 01:32:32,992 And those are her values, 1731 01:32:33,075 --> 01:32:37,658 and those are the aspects of Daddy that she chose 1732 01:32:37,742 --> 01:32:41,158 to have us remember and think about. 1733 01:32:44,742 --> 01:32:46,492 Everybody's done very well 1734 01:32:46,575 --> 01:32:48,867 in their chosen fields. 1735 01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:52,492 Uh, I mean, it really is a great tribute to Daddy 1736 01:32:52,575 --> 01:32:55,533 that you've all done so many wonderful things. 1737 01:32:55,617 --> 01:32:57,158 Well, how about to you? 1738 01:33:00,700 --> 01:33:02,617 No, I think it was the other gene. 1739 01:33:02,700 --> 01:33:04,450 You raised us, Mommy. 1740 01:33:09,283 --> 01:33:11,617 I just don't feel I can take the credit. 1741 01:33:11,700 --> 01:33:13,867 I just don't feel it. 1742 01:33:17,992 --> 01:33:19,908 When my father was alive, 1743 01:33:19,992 --> 01:33:22,367 my mother was always there for him. 1744 01:33:22,450 --> 01:33:24,200 Her love lifted him up. 1745 01:33:25,325 --> 01:33:28,658 And after, when my mother was left to raise us 1746 01:33:28,742 --> 01:33:30,867 and to carry on his fight, 1747 01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:32,783 he was there for her too, 1748 01:33:32,867 --> 01:33:35,075 his love still lifting her up. 1749 01:33:48,658 --> 01:33:51,367 I remember at a very young age, 1750 01:33:51,450 --> 01:33:53,533 we would pray together every night, 1751 01:33:53,617 --> 01:33:56,158 and we would have about 25 people 1752 01:33:56,242 --> 01:33:59,200 who had all died, who we would pray for. 1753 01:34:00,075 --> 01:34:01,700 You've had a lot of loss. 1754 01:34:02,825 --> 01:34:04,242 I have, but, uh... 1755 01:34:05,325 --> 01:34:09,367 as I've often said, nobody gets a free ride. 1756 01:34:11,075 --> 01:34:14,117 Everybody faces... 1757 01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,867 friends who have died or family who have died or... 1758 01:34:17,950 --> 01:34:19,825 who are really sick. 1759 01:34:21,075 --> 01:34:24,658 So, you know, have your wits about you, and... 1760 01:34:25,575 --> 01:34:27,658 dig in and do what you can... 1761 01:34:28,533 --> 01:34:31,117 because it... it might not last. 1762 01:36:05,408 --> 01:36:07,992 Let's take one big picture together. 1763 01:36:09,575 --> 01:36:11,283 I think one of Mommy's great legacies 1764 01:36:11,367 --> 01:36:12,658 is her children. 1765 01:36:12,742 --> 01:36:15,408 And there's another generation coming up behind them. 1766 01:36:15,492 --> 01:36:17,867 How many grandchildren does Mommy have? 1767 01:36:17,950 --> 01:36:20,117 Mommy has 33 grandchildren. 1768 01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:21,825 She wants more. 1769 01:36:21,908 --> 01:36:24,783 Never enough, as far as she's concerned. 1770 01:36:34,908 --> 01:36:36,867 Okay. 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