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M_I_SForEver
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The grace and peace
of God our Father,
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the Lord Jesus Christ,
be with you all.
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We remember the birth
of Robert Francis Kennedy
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and his rebirth
into the new life
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of the kingdom.
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I was reading
the beautiful statement
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on the monument here.
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"What we need
in the United States
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is not division...
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What we need
in the United States
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is not hatred..."
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What we need
in the United States
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is not violence and lawlessness,
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but is love and wisdom
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and compassion
toward one another.
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My father, Robert F. Kennedy,
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died on June 6, 1968,
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more than 40 years ago.
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I'm Rory,
his last and 11th child.
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Because I was born six months
after my father's death,
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I never had a chance
to know him.
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I was raised by my mother,
Ethel Kennedy.
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Forty years is a lot of time.
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Memories fade,
and people grow older.
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I found myself wanting
to tell my mother's story...
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about the life she shared
with Daddy
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and the life she shared with us,
her children.
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Here we go.
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A personal story,
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but because her life
was intertwined with history,
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more than that.
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There was just one problem...
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Why should I have to answer
all these questions?
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Uh, well, we're making
a documentary about you.
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Such a bad idea.
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Luckily, I had my brothers
and sisters to talk to,
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and there are a lot of them.
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My name is Kathleen Hartington
Kennedy Townsend.
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Okay, are you
comfortable in that chair?
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No. My ass is asleep,
and my back hurts.
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If you can look at me
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- when we're talking.
- Oh, my God.
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- I know. I'm so sorry.
- No, no, no.
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- No. Say it ain't so.
- Don't.
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- You're doing so great.
- Thank you.
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- I need a lot of encouragement.
- Yeah, you're beautiful.
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If you could just give me
a standing ovation
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every once in a while...
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You know, Mommy has said
that she, of course,
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that she considered being a nun.
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But before
she married Daddy, she...
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Of course,
before she married Daddy.
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- Mommy had 11 children...
- Wh... She only had ten children.
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No, she had 11 children.
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Kathleen, Joe, Bobby,
David, Courtney, Michael,
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Kerry, Chris, Max, Douglas.
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Rory.
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Oh. Sorry, I always...
I just always forget.
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This is what it's like
to be the 11th.
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There are so many times
in my life where people
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have said, "I want to introduce
Robert Kennedy's daughter."
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Oh, makes me so mad.
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What about the one
who delivered us
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and carried us for nine months,
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and that has been with us
the last 40 years?
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Mommy and Daddy met
in the winter of 1945.
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Daddy's sister,
Jean Kennedy, and I
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were in college together.
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Jean and I plotted that we would
bring our families together
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on... on a skiing vacation,
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and went up to Mont-Tremblant
in Canada.
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Grandma Kennedy came,
as did my parents.
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We skied in groups.
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I mean, there were
always about, I don't know,
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at least ten or more of us
skiing together.
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And did the Skakels
and the Kennedys get along well?
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They did. And eventually...
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each of the Skakel boys took out
each of the Kennedy sisters.
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Growing up, my mother
and father had childhoods
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that were in some ways
remarkably similar,
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and in other ways
very different.
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Daddy was a Kennedy
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and grew up in a wealthy, large
Irish Catholic family.
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The Kennedys
were shaped by their culture,
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the Kennedys were shaped
by their religion,
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and for them,
that meant embracing the crowd.
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They were part
of the fabric of the city.
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Mommy was a Skakel
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and also grew up in a wealthy,
large Irish Catholic family.
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The Skakels
were outdoors people,
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and that love of nature,
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that comfort with mountains
and streams
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and rivers, the forest,
outdoor adventure.
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They were
the great individualists.
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They were not conformists.
They didn't want to be part
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of something bigger
than themselves.
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But whereas Daddy's father,
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Joseph Kennedy, went to Harvard
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and Daddy's mother, Rose,
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was the daughter of the mayor
of Boston,
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Mommy's father, George Skakel,
was a self-made man
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who started off working
for only eight dollars a week.
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He worked for the railroad.
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And I don't know
how he saved the money,
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but he started a coal company.
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It was amazing,
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because he hadn't been
to college.
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Grandpa ultimately grew
Great Lakes Carbon
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into one of the largest
private family businesses
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in the United States.
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The Kennedy household,
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whether in Brookline
or Palm Beach,
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was very disciplined.
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Dinner was at 7:15,
and it did not mean 7:16.
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The Skakel home
in Greenwich was more chaotic.
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In our house, you didn't know
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whether you were going
to have supper
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at 5:00 or at 10:00.
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My brothers were real rascals.
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For instance, they would take
the train to New York,
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but they never rode
on the inside of the train.
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They always rode on the top
of the train. I mean...
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They made life really fun,
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and interesting,
and a challenge.
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And they were plenty scary, too.
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Both families
were very religious.
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Both families
said evening prayer.
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All of our grandparents
went to daily mass.
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The people of America
are dedicated
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to the cause of peace.
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The Kennedys
were staunch Democrats
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and politically very active.
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The Skakels,
on the other hand...
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My parents
weren't bedrock Democrats.
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They were Republicans?
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Conservative Republicans.
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Did you have any
consciousness of politics
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- when you were growing up?
- No. None whatsoever.
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Both families were athletic.
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Mommy was a natural.
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Mommy is the most
fiercely competitive person
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I have ever met
in my entire life.
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Mommy competed in riding,
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competed in sailing,
was really a champion.
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Daddy, on the other hand,
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was physically the smallest
of his brothers
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and had to try a little harder.
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Daddy was regarded
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as the runt of the litter,
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but he was very tough.
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And when he went to Harvard,
he worked his way up
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to first string
on the football team.
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And he made it by showing up
an hour early to practice
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and staying an hour late.
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Didn't he play
the Harvard-Yale game
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to get his letter?
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Yes, and he had a broken leg.
He had a cast on his leg.
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So, what does that say
to you about Daddy's character,
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that he was playing this game
when he had a broken leg?
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He really wanted
to get his letter.
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Whereas Daddy liked
to stick to the rules...
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Mommy liked to bend them.
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Mommy's a Skakel.
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And as a Skakel, she inherited
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a healthy disregard
for authority in all its forms.
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As your mother, I probably
shouldn't, uh, tell you this.
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But every morning at college,
even at college, imagine that,
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from 8:30 to 9:00,
I read the odds...
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...about the racetrack.
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If only my tests had been
on the racehorses
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instead of history.
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I would have
really gotten an A-plus.
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Now you readthe New York Times every day.
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Yes.
I wasn't a very deep thinker.
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Like I am now.
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You and Aunt Jean got
into a little bit of trouble.
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Uh... No, they never caught us.
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Okay, well, I have proof.
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You do not.
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- You do not.
- I have the demerit book.
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Do you remember
this demerit book?
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I can remember a demerit book.
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I got censured
for talking in assembly
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and chewing gum...
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...and disorder in the tea room.
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This is ridiculous.
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We wanted to go
to the Harvard-Yale game,
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but if you had racked up
a certain amount of demerits,
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you... you were campused.
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So we took the demerit book
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and threw it down
the incinerator...
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and went
to the Harvard-Yale game.
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So what happened
on that skiing trip
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to Mont-Tremblant,
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when my mother and father met
for the very first time?
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He was standing in front
of a roaring fireplace
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in the living room.
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And what'd you think
when you saw him?
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"Wow!
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Pretty great."
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- Really?
- Yeah.
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- So, was it love at first sight?
- It was.
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- Really?
- It was.
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We made a bet right away
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about who could get down
the mountain faster.
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And who won?
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I'm not gonna tell you.
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And then, Daddy took a...
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left turn...
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and he started dating
my sister, Pat!
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Oh, that was a black period.
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But at the time, I thought,
"Well, no contest.
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She's so pretty and so smart
and so wonderful."
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And so they went out
for two years.
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- Ooh! Ouch.
- Ooh! Ouch.
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Luckily, the Boston Post
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asked Daddy to cover the war
of independence in Israel.
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And so, when he went off to
what was then called Palestine,
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Pat found Luan Cuffe
and fell in love with him.
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So that when he returned,
Mommy could get him.
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? Who can fight
And fight till he wins? ?
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? Kennedy can
Kennedy can... ?
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Mommy's first exposure
to politics came in 1946,
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while she was still
at Manhattanville College.
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Her roommate, Jean Kennedy,
took her to Boston to help
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with my uncle Jack's very first
campaign for Congress.
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That was really fun.
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We'd drive up to Boston...
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and then lick stamps,
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and I thought,
"This is so exciting!"
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We went house to house
and talked to people.
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And why they would listen
to a 17-year-old
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who knew nothing,
I have no idea.
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But it was great experience.
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It was a room full of people
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who I had not exactly
rubbed elbows with before.
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A lot of minorities
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and financially challenged
people.
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So, did you start thinking
during this campaign of...
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They are faced with a lot of
hardship and struggle, and...
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- Yes.
- ...if government can help them,
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- that's a good thing?
- Yeah.
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- Can you talk about that?
- No.
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Oh!
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All this introspection,
I hate it.
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Her first love
and her great love was Daddy.
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So whatever Daddy was,
she was gonna like.
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She was not, uh, James Carville
and Mary Matalin.
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She was... she believed that
the woman stayed with the guy.
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And I think
that being with Daddy
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certainly opened her up
to other experiences,
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and she saw what a difference
she could make.
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We got married in Greenwich,
255
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and it was a beautiful wedding.
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It was wonderful.
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And there were about 600 guests.
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And there were fountains
of champagne.
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Lots of dancing,
and lots of dogs...
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...all over everything.
261
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And I think Daddy had 21 ushers.
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- He had a lot of friends.
- Yeah.
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We went
on our honeymoon in Hawaii,
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and then we went back to L.A.
and bought our convertible
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and drove across the country.
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Just will-o'-the-wisp.
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We'd go to Montana,
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and then we'd go down
to a southern state.
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We went wherever we had friends.
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It was a very happy time.
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In the book
Robert Kennedy and His Times,
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the historian Arthur Schlesinger
wrote this
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about Daddy's relationship
with Mommy.
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"For Robert Kennedy,
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it was the best thing
that could have happened.
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She awakened his sympathy
and his humor,
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and brought him out emotionally.
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He never had to prove himself
to her.
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Ethel gave him
unquestioning confidence,
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unwavering direction,
and unstinted love."
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They made their way back
to Virginia,
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where Daddy was finishing
his final year
283
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at the University of Virginia
Law School.
284
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Mommy tried her hand
at homemaking.
285
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I was really bad at it.
286
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Can you describe Mommy
as a homemaker?
287
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No.
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She... she was a horrible cook.
I remember one night,
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she put some Vaseline,
like petroleum jelly,
290
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in a frying pan,
and cooked bananas.
291
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That was not
why he fell in love with her,
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her cooking.
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While at UVA Law School,
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Daddy headed
the Student Legal Forum,
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an organization that brought
important speakers to campus.
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One of the speakers he invited
was Dr. Ralph Bunche,
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who was the first person
of color
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to win the Nobel Peace Prize.
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At the time,
UVA was still segregated,
300
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and much of the local community
and student body were angered
301
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by Dr. Bunche's impending visit.
302
00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,742
Everyone agreed
that the... safest...
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Imagine having to use
the word "safe."
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It was so appalling.
305
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Uh...
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The safest place for him
to stay was at our house.
307
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And he was so charming and...
308
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non-complaining.
309
00:17:47,950 --> 00:17:51,117
But they did throw things
at our house all night long.
310
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It was so unthinkable
and outrageous,
311
00:17:57,867 --> 00:18:00,700
but you got a little taste
of what Black people
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in our country
had to go through at that time.
313
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And I was glad I was married
to Daddy, who had the courage
314
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and the forethought
to have someone...
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of color
speak at Charlottesville.
316
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After graduating
from law school,
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Daddy got a job
at the Department of Justice.
318
00:18:20,075 --> 00:18:22,200
But he was there only briefly.
319
00:18:22,283 --> 00:18:24,908
Uncle Jack had decided to run
for the Senate,
320
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and asked Daddy
to manage his campaign.
321
00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:31,492
It was a major decision.
322
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He had felt he was just starting
his own career
323
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and that he had
to put it on the back burner.
324
00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:39,825
It was a big sacrifice.
325
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It was wonderful that he did it.
326
00:18:43,408 --> 00:18:46,658
And why
did he make that choice?
327
00:18:46,742 --> 00:18:48,617
Oh, 'cause he loved his brother.
328
00:18:50,325 --> 00:18:53,575
Everybody in our family
banded together to help,
329
00:18:53,658 --> 00:18:55,825
and Mommy did her part too.
330
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She and Aunt Pat
and Aunt Eunice
331
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and Aunt Jean
and my grandmother
332
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had famous tea parties
across the state,
333
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and they would invite
hundreds of women
334
00:19:05,242 --> 00:19:07,908
from the neighborhood,
and people would come
335
00:19:07,992 --> 00:19:09,575
to meet the Kennedy girls.
336
00:19:11,117 --> 00:19:12,325
The tea parties were fun
337
00:19:12,408 --> 00:19:15,117
because Pat and Jean
and Eunice were there.
338
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You'd just meet
hundreds of people
339
00:19:17,033 --> 00:19:18,700
and shake hundreds of hands.
340
00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:21,950
By the end of the campaign,
341
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she had probably met
every voter
342
00:19:24,450 --> 00:19:26,575
in the entire
congressional district.
343
00:19:26,658 --> 00:19:28,992
My brother Bobby,
who managed the campaign,
344
00:19:29,075 --> 00:19:31,783
perhaps he could give us
some idea, more up to date,
345
00:19:31,867 --> 00:19:33,408
of what the final figures were.
346
00:19:33,492 --> 00:19:37,283
I think that from what we got
up to about 20 minutes ago,
347
00:19:37,367 --> 00:19:39,992
that you were winning
by about 70,000.
348
00:19:40,075 --> 00:19:42,492
About 100,000 more votes
will come in,
349
00:19:42,575 --> 00:19:44,992
and I think that
that plurality will remain.
350
00:19:45,075 --> 00:19:46,242
Very fine.
351
00:19:46,325 --> 00:19:47,867
Well, I guess you're glad
it's over, aren't you, Bobby?
352
00:19:47,950 --> 00:19:49,158
- I am, Jack.
- Okay.
353
00:19:50,533 --> 00:19:52,658
Uncle Jack won his seat
in the Senate.
354
00:19:54,367 --> 00:19:55,533
After the race,
355
00:19:55,617 --> 00:19:58,450
the Republican candidate,
Henry Cabot Lodge,
356
00:19:58,533 --> 00:20:01,783
blamed his loss on
"those damn tea parties."
357
00:20:04,408 --> 00:20:06,908
In 1953, Daddy went to work
358
00:20:06,992 --> 00:20:09,575
for the Senate Subcommittee
on Investigations,
359
00:20:09,658 --> 00:20:11,783
chaired by Joseph McCarthy.
360
00:20:11,867 --> 00:20:16,325
The raw, unpleasant fact
is that Communism is an issue.
361
00:20:16,408 --> 00:20:18,700
You know, it's hard now,
looking back,
362
00:20:18,783 --> 00:20:20,283
to understand the sense
363
00:20:20,367 --> 00:20:22,658
of what the Communist threat was
in this country.
364
00:20:22,742 --> 00:20:27,033
- But did you feel like there was a real threat at the time?
- Right. Yes, I did.
365
00:20:27,117 --> 00:20:31,117
Especially growing up
in a Republican atmosphere,
366
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,492
they were always talking
about the communists.
367
00:20:34,575 --> 00:20:37,200
My grandfather had been friends
with McCarthy
368
00:20:37,283 --> 00:20:39,658
by virtue that they were both
Irish Catholics.
369
00:20:39,742 --> 00:20:46,075
And McCarthy had actually dated
two of my aunts, Pat and Eunice.
370
00:20:46,158 --> 00:20:48,617
He could be so affectionate
371
00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:51,158
and warm, and then...
372
00:20:52,117 --> 00:20:54,700
get in that hearing room
and, um...
373
00:20:56,742 --> 00:21:00,242
it was very unpleasant
how he treated people.
374
00:21:00,908 --> 00:21:04,033
He started drinking, and...
375
00:21:04,117 --> 00:21:06,533
the whole thing
was just falling apart.
376
00:21:06,617 --> 00:21:09,825
And Daddy realized
he didn't wanna be a part of it.
377
00:21:09,908 --> 00:21:11,158
He stayed on the committee
378
00:21:11,242 --> 00:21:14,742
for a couple of months,
and he quickly...
379
00:21:14,825 --> 00:21:16,200
broke with McCarthy
380
00:21:16,283 --> 00:21:18,533
and helped author the report
381
00:21:18,617 --> 00:21:20,908
that was used in the end
to censure McCarthy.
382
00:21:20,992 --> 00:21:24,575
Have you no sense
of decency, sir?
383
00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:30,492
At long last, have you
left no sense of decency?
384
00:21:30,575 --> 00:21:33,950
Daddy was quoted as
saying, "At the time,
385
00:21:34,033 --> 00:21:36,492
I thought there was a serious
internal security threat
386
00:21:36,575 --> 00:21:39,075
to the United States.
McCarthy seemed to be
387
00:21:39,158 --> 00:21:42,492
the only one who was doing
anything about it. I was wrong."
388
00:21:42,575 --> 00:21:44,825
He often changed his mind.
389
00:21:44,908 --> 00:21:50,158
Daddy had an open mind.
He judged things continuously.
390
00:21:54,575 --> 00:21:58,408
On the fourth of July
in 1951, Mommy gave birth
391
00:21:58,492 --> 00:22:01,033
to the very first
of the Kennedy grandchildren,
392
00:22:01,117 --> 00:22:03,117
my sister, Kathleen.
393
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,825
Daddy was the seventh
of the nine children,
394
00:22:06,908 --> 00:22:09,867
and yet he has
the first grandchild.
395
00:22:09,950 --> 00:22:11,867
Our family grew very quickly.
396
00:22:12,658 --> 00:22:14,783
My brother Joe was born next.
397
00:22:14,867 --> 00:22:16,908
Then Bobby in 1954.
398
00:22:17,367 --> 00:22:19,533
David in 1955.
399
00:22:19,617 --> 00:22:21,950
And Courtney in 1956.
400
00:22:23,783 --> 00:22:26,658
You were pregnant
for 99 months...
401
00:22:26,742 --> 00:22:27,992
out of your life.
402
00:22:28,075 --> 00:22:30,450
Well,
that is a statistic that...
403
00:22:32,117 --> 00:22:33,075
I never...
404
00:22:33,158 --> 00:22:35,075
This is the first time
I've heard it.
405
00:22:35,158 --> 00:22:37,117
Obviously, you went on
to have 11 children.
406
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,992
So did you have any sense
that you wanted
407
00:22:39,075 --> 00:22:40,575
- a big family, or...
- Yes.
408
00:22:40,658 --> 00:22:43,075
Did you guys talk about
how many kids you would have?
409
00:22:43,158 --> 00:22:46,117
- Did you have any...
- No. Never.
410
00:22:52,783 --> 00:22:54,575
When I first went
to Hickory Hill,
411
00:22:54,658 --> 00:22:56,617
it was owned by Jack and Jackie.
412
00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:59,575
And when I was about five
or six years old,
413
00:22:59,658 --> 00:23:02,242
Daddy and Mommy
actually bought Hickory Hill,
414
00:23:02,325 --> 00:23:03,700
and we moved there.
415
00:23:03,783 --> 00:23:05,992
And it was really
in the country.
416
00:23:06,075 --> 00:23:08,658
Georgetown was kind of confining
417
00:23:08,742 --> 00:23:11,325
- with all the children.
- Right.
418
00:23:11,408 --> 00:23:13,700
And there they had the lawn.
419
00:23:13,783 --> 00:23:16,783
They could run.
Run, run, run, run, run.
420
00:23:18,867 --> 00:23:21,325
We had a pony and a cart,
421
00:23:21,408 --> 00:23:24,158
and I'd take the children
out for a ride every day.
422
00:23:24,242 --> 00:23:26,450
They'd go out in the snow and...
423
00:23:26,533 --> 00:23:31,492
behind them on a... We had a sled
that they could ride in.
424
00:23:31,575 --> 00:23:34,617
The word that
comes first, of course, is "magical,"
425
00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:39,283
because our mother
has an amazing imagination.
426
00:23:39,367 --> 00:23:43,200
So there was always something
going on to interest us,
427
00:23:43,283 --> 00:23:45,867
all these children.
428
00:23:45,950 --> 00:23:48,575
Mommy and Daddy
brought in a lot of horses.
429
00:23:48,658 --> 00:23:51,033
We would get up early
in the morning and ride over
430
00:23:51,117 --> 00:23:53,450
to the CIA, which was nice.
431
00:23:53,533 --> 00:23:55,867
She thought we should know
about farm animals
432
00:23:55,950 --> 00:23:57,075
and how they lived.
433
00:23:57,158 --> 00:24:01,700
And so we had goats and pigs
and cows and chickens.
434
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:05,783
And they never were
penned very well.
435
00:24:05,867 --> 00:24:09,200
So they'd spend a lot of time
up in the, uh, living room,
436
00:24:09,283 --> 00:24:12,283
particularly the goats,
who liked the flowers.
437
00:24:12,367 --> 00:24:16,617
So it was fun 'cause you'd be
walking up to the front door,
438
00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:20,825
and a herd of horses
would come galloping by.
439
00:24:20,908 --> 00:24:24,033
So it was...
It was kind of unusual.
440
00:24:25,575 --> 00:24:28,658
I remember having, like,
15 dogs when we were growing up.
441
00:24:28,742 --> 00:24:31,200
At one point, I think
you guys had 19 dogs.
442
00:24:31,283 --> 00:24:34,617
But that was
my own life growing up.
443
00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:38,450
We always had at least 16 dogs.
444
00:24:38,533 --> 00:24:41,533
My mother, who really
never skipped a carpool,
445
00:24:41,617 --> 00:24:46,117
one day appeared to pick us up
with a seal in the back seat.
446
00:24:48,825 --> 00:24:51,908
He had to be fed
fish every day,
447
00:24:51,992 --> 00:24:53,283
but he didn't like the eyes.
448
00:24:53,367 --> 00:24:56,742
So there were always hundreds
of eyes around.
449
00:24:58,075 --> 00:25:00,117
That we could have
done without, but...
450
00:25:00,575 --> 00:25:01,867
he was fun,
451
00:25:01,950 --> 00:25:03,700
and he'd make
all sorts of noise,
452
00:25:03,783 --> 00:25:06,325
like...
453
00:25:06,408 --> 00:25:07,492
He was a great seal,
454
00:25:07,575 --> 00:25:10,408
but when he pushed
my sister Kathleen in the pool
455
00:25:10,492 --> 00:25:12,575
through a hula hoop
on Christmas Day,
456
00:25:12,658 --> 00:25:16,908
that was when he was sent off
to the Washington Zoo.
457
00:25:32,450 --> 00:25:37,200
In the fall of 1955,
Mommy received terrible news.
458
00:25:37,283 --> 00:25:39,408
Her parents
were on their way to California
459
00:25:39,492 --> 00:25:41,242
when their plane crashed.
460
00:25:41,325 --> 00:25:42,950
Both of them were killed.
461
00:25:47,117 --> 00:25:48,867
It was hard on everybody.
462
00:25:50,033 --> 00:25:51,117
It was.
463
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:55,033
She was incredibly
devoted to her parents,
464
00:25:55,117 --> 00:25:58,033
and she was 27 or so years old,
465
00:25:58,117 --> 00:26:01,825
and, you know,
that was a tragic loss for her.
466
00:26:01,908 --> 00:26:05,158
- Was Daddy supportive of you?
- Very.
467
00:26:05,242 --> 00:26:08,283
Very.
I remember he was campaigning,
468
00:26:08,825 --> 00:26:11,325
and, uh, I really...
469
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,950
felt it would be good
to be with him.
470
00:26:15,033 --> 00:26:17,867
And, God love him,
he got off the train and...
471
00:26:18,742 --> 00:26:19,992
drove home.
472
00:26:20,075 --> 00:26:21,950
He had to drive
all the way through the night,
473
00:26:22,033 --> 00:26:23,242
and he did it.
474
00:26:25,033 --> 00:26:28,367
In certain circles, people deal
with death all the time,
475
00:26:28,450 --> 00:26:30,408
and they deal with it
in different ways.
476
00:26:30,492 --> 00:26:31,950
I think what Mommy...
477
00:26:32,033 --> 00:26:33,908
how Mommy has dealt
with death, she's...
478
00:26:33,992 --> 00:26:36,575
You know, she does go
to mass every day.
479
00:26:36,658 --> 00:26:39,200
You will always see her holding
the rosary.
480
00:26:39,283 --> 00:26:42,283
But she certainly
doesn't talk about it.
481
00:26:42,367 --> 00:26:47,867
And she doesn't discuss it,
and she doesn't reflect on it.
482
00:26:47,950 --> 00:26:50,492
She... she wanted
a lot of people around,
483
00:26:50,575 --> 00:26:53,783
and I would say, not solitude.
484
00:26:53,867 --> 00:26:57,033
And I think
that's how she got through
485
00:26:57,117 --> 00:26:59,533
a lot of the really,
really tough things.
486
00:27:03,908 --> 00:27:05,075
If I may, sir.
487
00:27:05,158 --> 00:27:08,700
In 1957,
my father became chief counsel
488
00:27:08,783 --> 00:27:11,242
of the Senate's
Labor Rackets Committee.
489
00:27:12,575 --> 00:27:14,867
The committee investigated
criminal activities
490
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:17,617
surrounding
labor-management relations.
491
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:21,367
Did you say, "That S.O.B.,
I'll break his back?"
492
00:27:21,450 --> 00:27:23,075
- Who?
- You.
493
00:27:23,158 --> 00:27:24,325
I did it to who?
494
00:27:24,408 --> 00:27:25,700
To anyone.
495
00:27:25,783 --> 00:27:28,742
Probably the most
famous case was Jimmy Hoffa,
496
00:27:28,825 --> 00:27:31,450
the labor organizer
accused of hijacking
497
00:27:31,533 --> 00:27:33,325
the Teamsters Union.
498
00:27:33,408 --> 00:27:35,242
Well, whose back
were you gonna break, Mr. Hoffa?
499
00:27:35,325 --> 00:27:37,575
Figure of speech, I don't even
know who I was talking about,
500
00:27:37,658 --> 00:27:39,117
I don't know
what you're talking about.
501
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,867
He thought the working man
was getting a raw deal
502
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:47,033
and that the Teamsters Union
was corrupt...
503
00:27:47,117 --> 00:27:52,533
and it was wrecking
the lives of so many people.
504
00:27:52,617 --> 00:27:54,950
Mommy was there
almost every day,
505
00:27:55,033 --> 00:27:56,825
supporting Daddy.
506
00:27:56,908 --> 00:27:58,783
Mommy thought
it was really important
507
00:27:58,867 --> 00:28:01,367
that we understood
what Daddy was up to.
508
00:28:01,450 --> 00:28:03,283
So, for instance, um...
509
00:28:03,367 --> 00:28:06,033
oftentimes,
rather than take me to the...
510
00:28:06,117 --> 00:28:09,117
uh, playground where we could go
on the seesaw,
511
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,825
she took me to the Senate
Racket Committee hearings.
512
00:28:11,908 --> 00:28:13,783
And so some of
my first words were,
513
00:28:13,867 --> 00:28:15,450
"I refuse
to answer that question
514
00:28:15,533 --> 00:28:17,825
on the grounds that it may tend
to incriminate me."
515
00:28:17,908 --> 00:28:19,658
Well, I think it might have been
a little
516
00:28:19,742 --> 00:28:21,450
over their heads but, uh...
517
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,700
it gave them a taste, I think,
of what their daddy did.
518
00:28:26,783 --> 00:28:28,033
Uh, Mrs. Kennedy,
519
00:28:28,117 --> 00:28:30,325
do you attend many
of Bob's committee hearings?
520
00:28:30,408 --> 00:28:33,533
Oh, Mr. Murrow, I do,
yes, most all of them.
521
00:28:33,617 --> 00:28:37,367
Does Bob ever strike you
as a seemingly mild-mannered man
522
00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:39,742
for a rackets investigator?
523
00:28:39,825 --> 00:28:42,283
Well, I'm awfully surprised
most of the time
524
00:28:42,367 --> 00:28:44,075
when he really keeps his temper.
525
00:28:44,158 --> 00:28:46,950
You know, when witnesses
aren't telling the truth
526
00:28:47,033 --> 00:28:48,117
and being quite frank,
527
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,867
or when they take
the Fifth Amendment so often.
528
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:53,825
I think it's really amazing
that he does so well.
529
00:28:53,908 --> 00:28:56,325
I thought it was a courageous
thing to do
530
00:28:56,408 --> 00:28:58,492
to go after racketeers...
531
00:28:59,325 --> 00:29:01,825
and particularly Hoffa.
532
00:29:01,908 --> 00:29:05,408
It had its consequences
on the family.
533
00:29:05,492 --> 00:29:09,742
They had thrown acid
into the eyes of a journalist
534
00:29:09,825 --> 00:29:12,242
from the New York Post.
535
00:29:12,325 --> 00:29:15,492
And they said, "We're gonna do
the same to your children."
536
00:29:17,533 --> 00:29:20,117
They were trying
to intimidate Daddy.
537
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,575
And so there was a period
of time
538
00:29:21,658 --> 00:29:24,200
when we were going
to Our Lady of Victory School,
539
00:29:24,283 --> 00:29:26,492
we couldn't leave
with all the other kids.
540
00:29:26,575 --> 00:29:29,242
We had to go up
into the principal's office
541
00:29:29,325 --> 00:29:30,950
and wait for Mommy
to pick us up,
542
00:29:31,033 --> 00:29:33,617
because it was supposed to be
too dangerous for us to...
543
00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:35,867
just to walk out of school.
544
00:29:35,950 --> 00:29:37,450
She was not afraid of that.
545
00:29:37,533 --> 00:29:39,533
She was not gonna be
turned around.
546
00:29:39,617 --> 00:29:41,700
She was not gonna be
made to hide.
547
00:29:41,783 --> 00:29:43,742
I think her inner Skakel
came out.
548
00:29:43,825 --> 00:29:45,533
And she was emboldened.
549
00:29:45,617 --> 00:29:47,867
And I think
that helped my father
550
00:29:47,950 --> 00:29:49,492
through that difficult time.
551
00:29:54,575 --> 00:29:56,658
? Kennedy, Kennedy
Kennedy, Kennedy ?
552
00:29:56,742 --> 00:29:59,283
? Kennedy, Kennedy
Kennedy for me ?
553
00:29:59,367 --> 00:30:02,492
? Kennedy! Kennedy!
Kennedy! Kennedy! ?
554
00:30:02,575 --> 00:30:04,700
? Do you want a man
For president ?
555
00:30:04,783 --> 00:30:06,908
? Who's seasoned
Through and through ?
556
00:30:06,992 --> 00:30:08,575
? But not
So doggone seasoned... ?
557
00:30:08,658 --> 00:30:12,283
In 1959, Daddy resigned
from the Labor Rackets Committee
558
00:30:12,367 --> 00:30:14,908
to run Uncle Jack's campaign
for president.
559
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:19,950
Was it clear that Jack
was gonna run for president?
560
00:30:20,033 --> 00:30:23,658
Well, it was certainly clear
to the family.
561
00:30:23,742 --> 00:30:27,825
You know, we'd talk about it
over the dinner table.
562
00:30:27,908 --> 00:30:29,242
At what point exactly
563
00:30:29,325 --> 00:30:30,700
did you learn
he was gonna run?
564
00:30:30,783 --> 00:30:33,200
Oh, for God's sakes,
it was 50 years ago,
565
00:30:33,283 --> 00:30:35,408
60 years ago, I have no idea.
566
00:30:35,492 --> 00:30:37,450
? Kennedy, Kennedy
Kennedy, Kennedy ?
567
00:30:37,533 --> 00:30:38,450
? Kennedy, Kennedy... ?
568
00:30:38,533 --> 00:30:40,200
Once again, the family rallied,
569
00:30:40,283 --> 00:30:42,450
and everyone hit
the campaign trail.
570
00:30:42,533 --> 00:30:44,908
My mother
played a very active role.
571
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,033
This lovely little girl here,
572
00:30:48,117 --> 00:30:49,783
a mother of seven children,
573
00:30:49,867 --> 00:30:52,450
who has given birth
to her own precinct.
574
00:30:54,492 --> 00:30:56,117
Hey, you have any news for us?
575
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,242
No, I don't.
576
00:30:59,325 --> 00:31:01,242
Listen,
you've been out campaigning
577
00:31:01,325 --> 00:31:02,742
for your brother-in-law.
578
00:31:02,825 --> 00:31:04,533
- Do you enjoy it at all?
- Oh, yes.
579
00:31:04,617 --> 00:31:06,783
How do the kids take it?
Now, you have seven children.
580
00:31:06,867 --> 00:31:08,200
What do they think of all this?
581
00:31:08,283 --> 00:31:10,575
Oh, mostly they think
it's taking an awful long time
582
00:31:10,658 --> 00:31:13,408
for Uncle Jack to be president.
583
00:31:14,367 --> 00:31:15,908
We were part of that campaign,
584
00:31:15,992 --> 00:31:17,908
and we were involved
in every aspect.
585
00:31:17,992 --> 00:31:20,575
We climbed the stop signs
and, you know,
586
00:31:20,658 --> 00:31:23,367
put "Nixon" stickers
under the stop sign
587
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:24,908
so it said, "Stop Nixon."
588
00:31:24,992 --> 00:31:28,825
We passed out buttons,
we traveled across the country,
589
00:31:28,908 --> 00:31:31,992
and that was such a thrill
for us.
590
00:31:32,075 --> 00:31:35,200
Daddy really wanted
the children with him.
591
00:31:35,283 --> 00:31:39,617
So whenever we could,
the children campaigned too.
592
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:42,075
And I think the children
really loved it.
593
00:31:42,158 --> 00:31:43,742
I remember campaigning
594
00:31:43,825 --> 00:31:46,658
and there were special dresses
we all wore.
595
00:31:46,742 --> 00:31:49,867
The Kennedy girl dresses.
And we all put them on.
596
00:31:49,950 --> 00:31:51,950
I was a little kid but,
you know...
597
00:31:52,033 --> 00:31:55,117
we wore them,
very exciting to go campaigning.
598
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,908
Coffee with the Kennedys.
599
00:31:56,992 --> 00:32:00,200
First, I'd like
to thank my wife, uh, Jackie,
600
00:32:00,283 --> 00:32:02,533
for presenting this program,
601
00:32:02,617 --> 00:32:06,033
and also my sister Eunice
and my brother's wife, Ethel,
602
00:32:06,117 --> 00:32:08,700
who are helping to answer
the telephones this morning.
603
00:32:08,783 --> 00:32:10,367
I mean, it's interesting.
604
00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:12,533
You grew up
in a Republican household,
605
00:32:12,617 --> 00:32:15,867
and now you're in this
Democratic campaign
606
00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:17,867
- for president.
- But I just...
607
00:32:18,908 --> 00:32:22,700
totally put the Republican part
behind me.
608
00:32:22,783 --> 00:32:25,700
And your family
didn't care, the Skakels?
609
00:32:25,783 --> 00:32:28,117
I think they thought
I was a little communist.
610
00:32:29,783 --> 00:32:31,658
I think that we have
a great deal of work.
611
00:32:31,742 --> 00:32:33,158
I think that the work
on registration...
612
00:32:33,242 --> 00:32:36,908
The 1960 election would be
one of the closest in history.
613
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:40,158
It was a grueling year
for Daddy,
614
00:32:40,242 --> 00:32:43,658
who crisscrossed the country,
campaigning nonstop.
615
00:32:43,742 --> 00:32:47,742
I really remember 1960
largely for Daddy's absence,
616
00:32:47,825 --> 00:32:50,075
particularly during
the West Virginia primary.
617
00:32:50,158 --> 00:32:52,033
I mean, he just disappeared
618
00:32:52,117 --> 00:32:55,158
for, like, three months
and we just never saw him.
619
00:32:56,158 --> 00:32:58,575
Where were you
on election night?
620
00:32:58,658 --> 00:33:00,408
I was here at the Cape.
621
00:33:00,492 --> 00:33:04,492
And we waited and waited
and watched right in there.
622
00:33:05,825 --> 00:33:07,742
I don't think they knew
about Jack
623
00:33:07,825 --> 00:33:11,742
till the early morning.
But we had gone to bed.
624
00:33:11,825 --> 00:33:13,992
Oh, Daddy stayed up
for a long time.
625
00:33:16,325 --> 00:33:18,325
And so then you woke up?
626
00:33:18,408 --> 00:33:22,700
Just elated, happy.
Hallelujah. I mean, bravo.
627
00:33:25,158 --> 00:33:27,450
Then we all went
over to the big house
628
00:33:27,533 --> 00:33:29,617
and had a photograph taken.
629
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:31,908
Everyone was genuinely happy.
630
00:33:33,033 --> 00:33:34,992
Everybody had worked so hard.
631
00:33:35,075 --> 00:33:37,117
But it's funny,
nobody looked tired
632
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,617
in the photograph,
everybody just looks happy.
633
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:43,783
It was so full of joy
knowing...
634
00:33:43,867 --> 00:33:46,367
that the rest of the world
would now know
635
00:33:46,450 --> 00:33:48,033
how great Jack was.
636
00:33:48,117 --> 00:33:50,450
And so, my fellow Americans...
637
00:33:51,242 --> 00:33:53,200
ask not...
638
00:33:53,283 --> 00:33:55,908
what your country can do
for you,
639
00:33:55,992 --> 00:33:58,575
ask what you can do
for your country.
640
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:04,117
We went to his swearing-in,
641
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,617
and that was our first
visit to the White House.
642
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:08,742
And we went upstairs
with Daddy and Mommy.
643
00:34:08,825 --> 00:34:11,742
We toured through the upper
floors of the White House.
644
00:34:11,825 --> 00:34:14,617
Mommy took us up
and showed us where John,
645
00:34:14,700 --> 00:34:16,908
who had just been born,
and Caroline
646
00:34:16,992 --> 00:34:19,325
were gonna live
in the private quarters.
647
00:34:19,408 --> 00:34:21,492
And then we came back down,
648
00:34:21,575 --> 00:34:24,200
and Daddy slid down
the banister.
649
00:34:27,075 --> 00:34:29,283
He had us all
slide down the banisters,
650
00:34:29,367 --> 00:34:31,325
and then we went
and saw the bowling alley,
651
00:34:31,408 --> 00:34:34,658
and we went and jumped
in the swimming pool.
652
00:34:34,742 --> 00:34:37,117
And then we toured
through the corridors
653
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,992
and the secret tunnels
underneath the White House.
654
00:34:40,992 --> 00:34:42,742
Just...
It was a moment in history.
655
00:34:42,825 --> 00:34:45,700
- Yeah.
- That was, you know, you were...
656
00:34:45,783 --> 00:34:48,200
kind of unaware of it
at the time.
657
00:34:49,325 --> 00:34:51,825
But what fun, 50 years later.
658
00:34:54,075 --> 00:34:56,325
After Uncle Jack
became president,
659
00:34:56,408 --> 00:34:59,700
he asked Daddy to serve
as his attorney general.
660
00:34:59,783 --> 00:35:02,033
Daddy was reluctant.
661
00:35:02,117 --> 00:35:05,158
And I think
people were questioning
662
00:35:05,242 --> 00:35:07,283
whether that was
the best choice,
663
00:35:07,367 --> 00:35:09,325
whether he was the best choice.
664
00:35:14,617 --> 00:35:16,908
He has proven his ability...
665
00:35:16,992 --> 00:35:19,825
in almost ten years
of public service
666
00:35:19,908 --> 00:35:22,408
as an attorney
for the Justice Department
667
00:35:22,492 --> 00:35:23,992
and, more recently,
668
00:35:24,075 --> 00:35:27,742
as chief counsel of the Senate
Labor Rackets Committee.
669
00:35:27,825 --> 00:35:31,908
Daddy felt so sheepish
and so shy.
670
00:35:31,992 --> 00:35:33,492
The president had to say to him,
671
00:35:33,575 --> 00:35:35,992
"Don't you think
you should comb your hair...
672
00:35:36,075 --> 00:35:38,075
...before we go out?"
673
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:43,700
How does being
a brother of a president
674
00:35:43,783 --> 00:35:46,075
affect your role
as a member of the cabinet?
675
00:35:46,158 --> 00:35:48,700
Oh, I think it probably, uh,
makes it easier.
676
00:35:48,783 --> 00:35:51,158
I think having the same
last name as the president
677
00:35:51,242 --> 00:35:53,408
of the United States
helps, probably.
678
00:35:53,492 --> 00:35:54,950
Some of my earliest memories
679
00:35:55,033 --> 00:35:57,533
are of when Daddy
was attorney general
680
00:35:57,617 --> 00:36:00,867
and Mommy would pile
six or seven of us
681
00:36:00,950 --> 00:36:04,200
into the back of a convertible
682
00:36:04,283 --> 00:36:06,367
with two or three dogs
and a football,
683
00:36:06,450 --> 00:36:08,992
and bring us down
to the Justice Department.
684
00:36:12,158 --> 00:36:14,658
In his
Justice Department office,
685
00:36:14,742 --> 00:36:16,908
there were drawings by all of us
686
00:36:16,992 --> 00:36:20,783
taped up onto the walls,
and so it made us
687
00:36:20,867 --> 00:36:23,242
feel like we were important
in his life,
688
00:36:23,325 --> 00:36:25,450
just as important as his work.
689
00:36:25,533 --> 00:36:29,033
The children were always
included in everything we did.
690
00:36:29,117 --> 00:36:32,617
I think it probably made them
more interesting.
691
00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:35,700
There was just not much
of a separation
692
00:36:35,783 --> 00:36:37,575
between grown-ups and children.
693
00:36:39,158 --> 00:36:41,742
Mommy believed very much
that we should, you know,
694
00:36:41,825 --> 00:36:44,617
know what was going on.
So every night at dinner,
695
00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:47,158
there would always be quizzes
at our dinner table
696
00:36:47,242 --> 00:36:49,200
about current events or history.
697
00:36:49,283 --> 00:36:51,408
And so it was very important
where you sat,
698
00:36:51,492 --> 00:36:53,242
um, at the dinner table,
'cause if you sat
699
00:36:53,325 --> 00:36:54,950
at Mommy's right,
you only had to read
700
00:36:55,033 --> 00:36:56,825
the front page.
But as you went around
701
00:36:56,908 --> 00:36:58,242
the dinner table,
as you can imagine,
702
00:36:58,325 --> 00:37:01,075
you really had to know
what was going on.
703
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,742
What we loved to do
704
00:37:02,825 --> 00:37:04,742
was go down to the FBI building
705
00:37:04,825 --> 00:37:06,950
and watch the sharpshooters
at practice.
706
00:37:07,033 --> 00:37:10,492
At the time, the director
of the FBI was J. Edgar Hoover,
707
00:37:10,575 --> 00:37:13,450
who was a man not known
for his sense of humor
708
00:37:13,533 --> 00:37:14,992
or his love of children,
709
00:37:15,075 --> 00:37:18,825
and he, um,
particularly had this intense,
710
00:37:18,908 --> 00:37:20,950
uh, clash with my father.
711
00:37:22,867 --> 00:37:26,700
One day, we were all over there
watching the sharpshooters,
712
00:37:26,783 --> 00:37:28,950
and in the bottom
of the FBI building,
713
00:37:29,033 --> 00:37:31,283
which is a little weird,
they had a suggestion box.
714
00:37:31,367 --> 00:37:32,492
I don't know why,
715
00:37:32,575 --> 00:37:35,867
But anyway, so Mommy took out
her telltale red pen,
716
00:37:35,950 --> 00:37:38,242
and she always
only used a red pen,
717
00:37:38,325 --> 00:37:40,867
and, um, wrote on a little card,
718
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:42,283
"Get a new director."
719
00:37:44,617 --> 00:37:48,075
Which was, you know,
if you have any idea
720
00:37:48,158 --> 00:37:50,742
who J. Edgar Hoover was
at that time, I mean,
721
00:37:50,825 --> 00:37:53,075
he was an awful, horrible man.
722
00:37:53,158 --> 00:37:55,950
And just to be able
to stand up to him there
723
00:37:56,033 --> 00:37:59,908
was an important lesson
to me at a very, very young age.
724
00:38:02,992 --> 00:38:06,325
When we came home
from school every day,
725
00:38:06,408 --> 00:38:08,700
we played a football game.
726
00:38:13,408 --> 00:38:14,992
Mommy loved to play football,
727
00:38:15,075 --> 00:38:17,117
but only if she was
on the winning side.
728
00:38:18,367 --> 00:38:20,575
You know, a lot
of parents will let their kids,
729
00:38:20,658 --> 00:38:23,533
like, beat them at a sport,
you know, to encourage them.
730
00:38:23,617 --> 00:38:26,117
And... But she wouldn't do that.
731
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,783
That wasn't part
of her parenting philosophy.
732
00:38:29,950 --> 00:38:31,450
Every time we did anything,
733
00:38:31,533 --> 00:38:33,492
it was about competition.
734
00:38:33,575 --> 00:38:35,742
And was coming in second okay?
735
00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:38,158
Only if you were the Shrivers.
736
00:38:44,283 --> 00:38:45,700
Trying hard didn't cut it.
737
00:38:45,783 --> 00:38:49,158
You know, people now say,
"Oh, just try hard." No.
738
00:38:49,242 --> 00:38:51,117
Win. That was important.
739
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,658
Trying hard, not part of the...
not part of the culture.
740
00:38:54,742 --> 00:38:57,325
As well as the idea
that Kennedys don't cry.
741
00:38:57,408 --> 00:38:59,117
I mean,
you cannot show weakness.
742
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,367
You always had to be tough.
743
00:39:01,450 --> 00:39:03,450
I also remember
falling off my horse
744
00:39:03,533 --> 00:39:04,867
and hurting my leg.
745
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:06,283
And it took them about four days
746
00:39:06,367 --> 00:39:07,742
to realize that it might
be broken
747
00:39:07,825 --> 00:39:08,950
and I should go to the hospital.
748
00:39:09,033 --> 00:39:10,617
Had you in fact
broken your leg?
749
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:12,450
Yes.
750
00:39:12,533 --> 00:39:14,158
But I'm glad we're laughing.
751
00:39:33,908 --> 00:39:36,242
The 1960s were just
a completely,
752
00:39:36,325 --> 00:39:38,575
really unique period
in American history.
753
00:39:38,658 --> 00:39:41,658
There's sort of,
every 30 or 50 years,
754
00:39:41,742 --> 00:39:44,992
there's periods where... where...
where there's enormous change
755
00:39:45,075 --> 00:39:46,408
or enormous growth,
756
00:39:46,492 --> 00:39:50,533
and Daddy was in the middle
of all of that.
757
00:39:55,408 --> 00:39:58,408
During the Cuban Missile Crisis,
Daddy spent...
758
00:39:58,492 --> 00:40:00,825
virtually the entire time
at the White House,
759
00:40:00,908 --> 00:40:04,742
and for the first couple days,
nobody knew what was going on,
760
00:40:04,825 --> 00:40:06,742
but then,
they announced it on TV,
761
00:40:06,825 --> 00:40:08,450
and everybody realized
762
00:40:08,533 --> 00:40:11,992
that, you know, the next day,
we could all be dead.
763
00:40:12,075 --> 00:40:15,617
Within the past week,
unmistakable evidence
764
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:17,408
has established the fact
765
00:40:17,492 --> 00:40:20,992
that a series
of offensive missile sites
766
00:40:21,075 --> 00:40:22,617
is now in preparation...
767
00:40:23,367 --> 00:40:24,533
on the island of Cuba.
768
00:40:24,617 --> 00:40:27,075
The Cubans, along with
their allies, the Russians,
769
00:40:27,158 --> 00:40:29,283
were installing nuclear missiles
770
00:40:29,367 --> 00:40:32,450
capable of first strike attacks
on the United States.
771
00:40:35,825 --> 00:40:38,658
I can't imagine anything worse.
772
00:40:38,742 --> 00:40:40,700
It was on your mind
all the time.
773
00:40:40,783 --> 00:40:42,742
"Oh, where are the children?
774
00:40:42,825 --> 00:40:44,700
Should we come? Should we go?"
775
00:40:46,450 --> 00:40:48,867
Daddy,
who played an important role
776
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:50,617
in the handling of the crisis,
777
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:54,325
had to stay in Washington
by President Kennedy's side.
778
00:40:55,283 --> 00:40:59,575
I just remember Mom and Dad
got us together
779
00:40:59,658 --> 00:41:02,533
as a family, and, uh...
780
00:41:02,617 --> 00:41:04,783
they said
that there was a provision
781
00:41:04,867 --> 00:41:08,825
that allowed
some officials' families
782
00:41:08,908 --> 00:41:11,575
and their children
to maybe be...
783
00:41:11,658 --> 00:41:15,867
taken outside of the city
to a place of safety.
784
00:41:17,158 --> 00:41:20,075
Daddy was gonna have to stay
in Washington,
785
00:41:20,158 --> 00:41:24,283
and, of course,
Mom would never have left him.
786
00:41:24,367 --> 00:41:28,617
What they wanted to know was
how we all felt
787
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:33,533
about leaving
or staying together as a family.
788
00:41:33,617 --> 00:41:36,033
We all had to say
what we wanted to do.
789
00:41:36,117 --> 00:41:39,325
And we all said
that we wanted to stay.
790
00:41:40,658 --> 00:41:42,200
I think Bobby and I had...
791
00:41:42,283 --> 00:41:44,533
...maybe some
second thoughts about it
792
00:41:44,617 --> 00:41:48,367
between ourselves afterwards.
793
00:41:49,950 --> 00:41:52,867
I think if she had said, "Hey,
I'm getting the hell outta here,
794
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:56,533
I'm not gonna
stick around Washington,"
795
00:41:56,617 --> 00:41:59,408
it would have had
a completely different effect
796
00:41:59,492 --> 00:42:00,658
on all of us.
797
00:42:00,742 --> 00:42:05,658
But when you see that kind
of loyalty, you just suck it up.
798
00:42:15,492 --> 00:42:17,408
In his job as attorney general,
799
00:42:17,492 --> 00:42:19,867
Daddy found himself
at the forefront
800
00:42:19,950 --> 00:42:21,617
of the civil rights movement.
801
00:42:24,075 --> 00:42:26,825
Citizens are being denied
the right to register
802
00:42:26,908 --> 00:42:29,450
and the right to vote
because of their color.
803
00:42:29,533 --> 00:42:31,867
Mommy would make sure
804
00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:34,658
we understood the importance
of those battles,
805
00:42:34,742 --> 00:42:38,033
the historical significance
of those battles,
806
00:42:38,117 --> 00:42:40,825
and that we talked about them.
807
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:55,658
In 1962, the racial integration
808
00:42:55,742 --> 00:42:59,450
of the University of Mississippi
had been violent.
809
00:42:59,533 --> 00:43:02,617
A year later,
the University of Alabama
810
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:04,450
was headed
in the same direction.
811
00:43:04,533 --> 00:43:07,325
Today, the majority of
the white population of Tuscaloosa
812
00:43:07,408 --> 00:43:10,075
still does not favor
integration of the university.
813
00:43:10,158 --> 00:43:12,617
The state's governor,
George Wallace,
814
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:15,617
stood in the schoolhouse door
in an effort to stop
815
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:18,950
African American students
from entering.
816
00:43:19,033 --> 00:43:22,783
In the face of this, Daddy sent
his deputy attorney general,
817
00:43:22,867 --> 00:43:24,992
Nick Katzenbach,
down to Alabama
818
00:43:25,075 --> 00:43:28,158
to persuade the governor
to let the students in.
819
00:43:28,242 --> 00:43:31,200
I'm asking
from you an unequivocal assurance
820
00:43:31,283 --> 00:43:34,200
that you will not bar entry
to these students
821
00:43:34,283 --> 00:43:36,492
and that you will step aside
peacefully.
822
00:43:36,575 --> 00:43:38,742
I was maybe three
or four years old,
823
00:43:38,825 --> 00:43:42,200
and I was in Daddy's office,
and the phone rang,
824
00:43:42,283 --> 00:43:44,367
and Nick Katzenbach was calling.
825
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:45,783
He won't step aside.
826
00:43:45,867 --> 00:43:48,367
He'll be carried off
by soldiers.
827
00:43:48,450 --> 00:43:50,325
Want to say hello to Kerry?
828
00:43:51,450 --> 00:43:53,325
Yeah!
829
00:43:53,408 --> 00:43:56,450
- Hi, Nick.
- Hi, Kerry. How are you, dear?
830
00:43:56,533 --> 00:43:58,283
What are you doing?
831
00:43:59,617 --> 00:44:01,533
Are you at our house?
832
00:44:01,617 --> 00:44:05,492
No, I'm not out at your house.
I'm way down in the Southland.
833
00:44:05,575 --> 00:44:08,242
And you know what
the temperature is down here?
834
00:44:08,325 --> 00:44:11,575
The temperature down here
is 98 degrees.
835
00:44:11,658 --> 00:44:13,325
You tell your father that.
836
00:44:13,408 --> 00:44:15,700
Tell him we're all gonna
get hardship pay.
837
00:44:17,117 --> 00:44:19,450
- We got Kerry on here.
- Kerry?
838
00:44:19,533 --> 00:44:22,492
We're all gonna get
hardship today.
839
00:44:22,575 --> 00:44:24,658
- We're gonna all get what?
- Hard...
840
00:44:26,117 --> 00:44:27,575
After several days,
841
00:44:27,658 --> 00:44:30,200
Governor Wallace was forced
to step aside,
842
00:44:30,283 --> 00:44:32,242
and Vivian Malone and James Hood
843
00:44:32,325 --> 00:44:35,825
were peacefully admitted
to the University of Alabama.
844
00:44:35,908 --> 00:44:40,200
To this day, I have a letter
that was written to me by Daddy
845
00:44:40,283 --> 00:44:43,283
on that visit, and it says,
"Dear Kerry,
846
00:44:43,367 --> 00:44:47,617
today, over the objection
of the governor of Alabama,
847
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:50,700
two Negroes were allowed
into the university,
848
00:44:50,783 --> 00:44:53,658
and I hope these events
are long past
849
00:44:53,742 --> 00:44:56,825
by the time you get your
pretty little head to college."
850
00:44:59,242 --> 00:45:03,200
And here's Daddy making sure
that we were engaged
851
00:45:03,283 --> 00:45:05,575
and knowledgeable
about what he was doing.
852
00:45:05,658 --> 00:45:08,242
Felt a connection
and felt, I think, you know,
853
00:45:08,325 --> 00:45:10,908
a responsibility to make sure
that when we were in college,
854
00:45:10,992 --> 00:45:13,450
we were still knowing
what was going on in the world,
855
00:45:13,533 --> 00:45:16,283
and if there was discrimination,
um, fighting it.
856
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,742
At the Justice Department,
857
00:45:18,825 --> 00:45:20,825
Daddy was at the center
of the storm.
858
00:45:22,242 --> 00:45:26,325
But at Hickory Hill, Mommy was
her own force of nature.
859
00:45:30,158 --> 00:45:32,658
'Course, I remember
as a kid, people who worked
860
00:45:32,742 --> 00:45:34,658
at the government
were always at our house,
861
00:45:34,742 --> 00:45:36,742
and they all had
these special plates, you know,
862
00:45:36,825 --> 00:45:38,950
which would mean
basically that the cops
863
00:45:39,033 --> 00:45:42,575
wouldn't give you a ticket,
and we didn't have those plates.
864
00:45:42,658 --> 00:45:44,492
And I remember saying to Daddy,
865
00:45:44,575 --> 00:45:46,408
"Well,
why don't we have those plates?"
866
00:45:46,492 --> 00:45:48,242
And him saying,
"Are you kidding?
867
00:45:48,325 --> 00:45:50,450
The last thing
I want people to know
868
00:45:50,533 --> 00:45:53,408
is who's driving that car."
869
00:45:53,492 --> 00:45:57,450
So Mommy has a long history
of... of dealings with cops.
870
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,533
But in fairness to her,
when she stole those horses,
871
00:46:01,617 --> 00:46:03,200
she wasn't really...
872
00:46:03,283 --> 00:46:04,992
She was trying
to save their lives.
873
00:46:07,283 --> 00:46:13,367
We were on a ride one day,
and we heard these...
874
00:46:13,450 --> 00:46:18,033
forlorn moans coming
out of this barn.
875
00:46:18,117 --> 00:46:20,783
So we got off our horses
and went into the shed.
876
00:46:20,867 --> 00:46:26,617
And in this shed were
these three starving horses.
877
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:29,658
And she thought,
"This is outrageous."
878
00:46:29,742 --> 00:46:32,033
And so she immediately got
the groom
879
00:46:32,117 --> 00:46:33,783
to come and take
these starving horses
880
00:46:33,867 --> 00:46:35,867
and bring them
over to our house.
881
00:46:35,950 --> 00:46:37,992
Well, some people think
that's stealing.
882
00:46:39,783 --> 00:46:40,992
A few days later,
883
00:46:41,075 --> 00:46:43,492
the man who had been
starving the horses
884
00:46:43,575 --> 00:46:46,367
sued my mother
for horse thievery,
885
00:46:46,450 --> 00:46:49,158
which at that time was
a hanging offense in Virginia.
886
00:46:49,242 --> 00:46:52,075
So the wife
of the attorney general
887
00:46:52,158 --> 00:46:54,783
had to go to court
and defend herself
888
00:46:54,867 --> 00:46:56,408
against a hanging offense.
889
00:46:56,492 --> 00:47:00,575
- And how did she do?
- And she won. Thank goodness.
890
00:47:00,658 --> 00:47:01,783
What did your husband say?
891
00:47:01,867 --> 00:47:04,033
You just had a chance
to talk to him.
892
00:47:04,117 --> 00:47:05,617
What does he think
about all this,
893
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:07,408
his wife, a courtroom star?
894
00:47:07,492 --> 00:47:09,992
I'm not sure
that's the way he looks at it.
895
00:47:10,075 --> 00:47:12,200
I don't think he's gonna let me
off the property again...
896
00:47:12,283 --> 00:47:14,825
...without my keeper.
897
00:47:21,242 --> 00:47:23,408
As the head
of the Justice Department
898
00:47:23,492 --> 00:47:24,783
and the president's brother,
899
00:47:24,867 --> 00:47:27,825
Daddy became his ambassador
to the rest of the world.
900
00:47:32,242 --> 00:47:34,325
Um...
901
00:47:39,783 --> 00:47:42,200
Is that right? "I thank you"?
902
00:47:44,992 --> 00:47:47,825
Oh, no.
903
00:47:49,992 --> 00:47:51,742
There was a cute shot of you
904
00:47:51,825 --> 00:47:53,408
trying to speak Japanese?
905
00:47:53,492 --> 00:47:56,533
That wasn't so cute.
That was ego-destroying.
906
00:47:56,617 --> 00:47:57,617
I was horrible.
907
00:47:57,700 --> 00:47:59,992
Oh, dear.
908
00:48:00,075 --> 00:48:01,117
It was so bad.
909
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,533
You had clearly tried so hard.
910
00:48:03,617 --> 00:48:07,908
You have no idea. All the way
over on the plane, rehearsing.
911
00:48:09,575 --> 00:48:14,117
Japan, Indonesia, Korea,
Germany, Poland, Chile, Peru,
912
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,367
South Africa, Kenya,
the Philippines, Brazil,
913
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:19,658
Italy, Ivory Coast,
and Hong Kong.
914
00:48:19,742 --> 00:48:21,700
Every minute was filled.
915
00:48:21,783 --> 00:48:25,200
But whoever was in power
in those countries
916
00:48:25,283 --> 00:48:27,658
felt they had the ear
of the president.
917
00:48:27,742 --> 00:48:30,283
They knew they were talking
to someone
918
00:48:30,367 --> 00:48:32,367
who could change policy.
919
00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:33,950
I appreciate your frankness.
920
00:48:34,033 --> 00:48:35,908
And I think you would expect
the same from me.
921
00:48:38,992 --> 00:48:40,117
And you're gonna get it.
922
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,533
Daddy would speak his mind,
923
00:48:43,617 --> 00:48:46,742
and, you know,
it was really, uh, refreshing.
924
00:48:46,825 --> 00:48:48,492
He didn't fool around.
925
00:48:48,575 --> 00:48:51,158
- I just wanna talk...
- You're talking about the United States 100 years ago.
926
00:48:52,742 --> 00:48:54,825
What,
do you think we stood still?
927
00:49:01,533 --> 00:49:03,075
Whew!
928
00:49:03,158 --> 00:49:05,033
I asked my wife
as I was coming down
929
00:49:05,117 --> 00:49:07,533
whether she could think
of a joke.
930
00:49:07,617 --> 00:49:09,575
She said, "If they look
at the top of your hair,
931
00:49:09,658 --> 00:49:11,992
they'll laugh."
932
00:49:16,117 --> 00:49:18,658
There is great footage
of you in Poland,
933
00:49:18,742 --> 00:49:21,658
where Daddy's signing
all these signatures
934
00:49:21,742 --> 00:49:23,325
and then he gets a cramp,
935
00:49:23,408 --> 00:49:24,908
and then you start signing
the signatures.
936
00:49:24,992 --> 00:49:26,200
You know,
937
00:49:26,283 --> 00:49:29,325
I remember that trip to Poland
so well, 'cause, uh...
938
00:49:29,408 --> 00:49:32,325
instantaneously,
they would show up,
939
00:49:32,408 --> 00:49:36,367
you know, hundreds of thousands
of people to see Daddy.
940
00:49:36,450 --> 00:49:39,450
That was a big deal
because Daddy was, first of all,
941
00:49:39,533 --> 00:49:42,908
not given, um, the visa ticket
to Poland for a while,
942
00:49:42,992 --> 00:49:46,242
and they didn't wanna have any
publicity for his trip there,
943
00:49:46,325 --> 00:49:49,700
and yet through the underground,
people found out about it,
944
00:49:49,783 --> 00:49:53,242
and thousands and thousands
of people came.
945
00:49:53,325 --> 00:49:56,992
It was so wonderful
to see the United States
946
00:49:57,075 --> 00:49:58,742
held in such high honor.
947
00:50:00,783 --> 00:50:02,575
When Mommy and Daddy
went to Rome,
948
00:50:02,658 --> 00:50:05,075
the members of the press corps
traveling with them
949
00:50:05,158 --> 00:50:06,658
gave Mommy a scooter.
950
00:50:08,283 --> 00:50:11,533
They presented it one day
at a restaurant.
951
00:50:11,617 --> 00:50:15,283
It was such a cute
little red scooter.
952
00:50:15,367 --> 00:50:17,950
So I got on it and went
flying out the door...
953
00:50:19,783 --> 00:50:22,367
...and into the traffic,
where I hit a truck.
954
00:50:25,283 --> 00:50:27,658
It was really unpleasant.
955
00:50:27,742 --> 00:50:29,908
But I didn't know
how to stop it.
956
00:50:31,283 --> 00:50:32,658
So what did Daddy do
957
00:50:32,742 --> 00:50:34,783
while you were riding
the scooter?
958
00:50:34,867 --> 00:50:37,325
He was finishing his pasta.
959
00:50:39,825 --> 00:50:42,033
He got such joy
960
00:50:42,117 --> 00:50:45,450
out of Mommy
and some of her antics
961
00:50:45,533 --> 00:50:49,408
or little naughty things
that she might get up to.
962
00:50:50,408 --> 00:50:52,283
He would just throw
his head back
963
00:50:52,367 --> 00:50:54,075
and laugh and say, "Oh, Ethel,"
964
00:50:54,158 --> 00:50:58,242
and put his hands over his eyes,
and his eyes to God.
965
00:50:59,492 --> 00:51:03,283
My father really had
the weight of the world on him.
966
00:51:03,367 --> 00:51:06,742
And Mommy was funny, and fun,
967
00:51:06,825 --> 00:51:08,992
and full of laughter,
and full of life.
968
00:51:09,075 --> 00:51:11,825
And she was at ease
throwing parties
969
00:51:11,908 --> 00:51:14,408
and making him enjoy life.
970
00:51:16,617 --> 00:51:19,950
Any occasion
that there was to have a party,
971
00:51:20,033 --> 00:51:21,408
there'd be a party.
972
00:51:25,283 --> 00:51:30,450
She had every single member
of President Kennedy's cabinet
973
00:51:30,533 --> 00:51:32,492
knocked into the swimming pool.
974
00:51:33,783 --> 00:51:36,700
It was in the papers,
and, uh, Jack,
975
00:51:36,783 --> 00:51:38,658
actually, who adored my mother
976
00:51:38,742 --> 00:51:41,367
and loved her sense of mischief
and her sense of humor,
977
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:43,033
but he called her up
and he said,
978
00:51:43,117 --> 00:51:44,700
"We can't have
any more of that."
979
00:51:44,783 --> 00:51:46,700
And that was the end
of pushing people in the pool...
980
00:51:46,783 --> 00:51:48,783
...at Hickory Hill.
981
00:51:48,867 --> 00:51:51,450
I remember,
Daddy had promised...
982
00:51:51,533 --> 00:51:55,367
uh, Mom this, like,
really terrific birthday party
983
00:51:55,450 --> 00:51:57,575
and terrific present.
984
00:51:57,658 --> 00:52:01,867
And I saw Daddy and Uncle Steve
go out the front door,
985
00:52:01,950 --> 00:52:05,200
and they rustled around in
the car for a while, and they...
986
00:52:05,825 --> 00:52:07,283
pulled out a guy.
987
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,325
And the guy was dressed
in black tie,
988
00:52:11,408 --> 00:52:15,700
and they had wrapped him up
in...
989
00:52:15,783 --> 00:52:20,158
ribbons
with this gigantic pink bow.
990
00:52:20,242 --> 00:52:23,783
They carried him in
and laid him at...
991
00:52:24,617 --> 00:52:25,950
Mom's feet,
992
00:52:26,033 --> 00:52:27,950
and it was Gene Kelly.
993
00:52:28,033 --> 00:52:31,450
? I'm singin' in the rain ?
994
00:52:31,533 --> 00:52:33,700
? Just singin' in the rain... ?
995
00:52:33,783 --> 00:52:37,367
And she...
she rips the bow off of him,
996
00:52:37,450 --> 00:52:39,867
and he jumped up,
and he grabbed her
997
00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:41,533
and danced her
around the dance floor.
998
00:52:41,617 --> 00:52:46,867
And that was Daddy's gift to Mom
that she would never forget.
999
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:48,450
Aw.
1000
00:52:59,450 --> 00:53:01,950
I'd say in the history
of the country,
1001
00:53:02,033 --> 00:53:05,325
there's probably never been
as unique a relationship
1002
00:53:05,408 --> 00:53:09,283
between two brothers as the one
between Daddy and Jack.
1003
00:53:09,367 --> 00:53:13,242
It would be rare to be able
to identify a team of brothers
1004
00:53:13,325 --> 00:53:14,658
who were as close as they were
1005
00:53:14,742 --> 00:53:18,117
and achieved as much success
as they did.
1006
00:53:18,825 --> 00:53:21,033
They had a great relationship.
1007
00:53:22,325 --> 00:53:25,867
I think there was
enormous affection between them
1008
00:53:25,950 --> 00:53:29,450
and admiration
on each of their parts.
1009
00:53:29,533 --> 00:53:33,158
It was very funny.
So often, people said
1010
00:53:33,242 --> 00:53:35,533
they couldn't understand
their dialogue,
1011
00:53:35,617 --> 00:53:38,200
and it was because one of them
would start a sentence
1012
00:53:38,283 --> 00:53:39,492
and the other would finish it.
1013
00:53:39,575 --> 00:53:42,117
He knew exactly
where the other one was going.
1014
00:54:03,242 --> 00:54:07,200
From Dallas, Texas,
the flash apparently official.
1015
00:54:07,283 --> 00:54:09,283
President Kennedy died
1016
00:54:09,367 --> 00:54:12,742
at 1:00 p.m.
central standard time,
1017
00:54:12,825 --> 00:54:14,867
some 38 minutes ago.
1018
00:54:18,533 --> 00:54:21,283
It was like a tidal wave
of grief...
1019
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,867
to see this vibrant man
1020
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:30,992
with all his character
and sense of fun and...
1021
00:54:31,742 --> 00:54:32,742
um...
1022
00:54:33,867 --> 00:54:35,325
wonderful judgment...
1023
00:54:36,367 --> 00:54:37,492
was lost.
1024
00:54:38,242 --> 00:54:40,158
Everyone was devastated.
1025
00:54:46,825 --> 00:54:49,158
It was, uh...
1026
00:54:49,242 --> 00:54:52,075
it was like Daddy
had lost both arms.
1027
00:54:54,742 --> 00:54:56,742
And how did you talk to him?
1028
00:54:56,825 --> 00:54:58,658
Or did you feel like
you could reach out to him?
1029
00:54:58,742 --> 00:55:00,242
No, I didn't, no.
1030
00:55:03,158 --> 00:55:04,575
Was it months?
1031
00:55:04,658 --> 00:55:07,117
It was six months of just...
1032
00:55:08,158 --> 00:55:09,283
blackness.
1033
00:55:11,325 --> 00:55:14,242
Well, Daddy became
much more withdrawn
1034
00:55:14,325 --> 00:55:17,658
after Jack died. And he would go
to his room after dinner,
1035
00:55:17,742 --> 00:55:20,242
and he read a lot of poets.
He read...
1036
00:55:20,325 --> 00:55:24,408
um, Aeschylus,
Edith Hamilton on the Greeks.
1037
00:55:24,492 --> 00:55:28,867
And he read the Bible,
obviously, the Old Testament.
1038
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:32,742
And really the notion
of how do you face tragedy,
1039
00:55:32,825 --> 00:55:34,325
how do you go forward?
1040
00:55:34,408 --> 00:55:37,575
And how do you make sense
of your life?
1041
00:55:37,658 --> 00:55:41,075
And I think
that he tried to really...
1042
00:55:42,283 --> 00:55:44,408
feel the pain.
1043
00:55:44,492 --> 00:55:49,908
He said, "I'm gonna dwell
in the pain, and I'm going to...
1044
00:55:49,992 --> 00:55:52,783
understand
that something terrible
1045
00:55:52,867 --> 00:55:54,075
has happened."
1046
00:55:54,158 --> 00:55:58,075
And I think that helped
make him a really...
1047
00:55:58,158 --> 00:56:00,617
a stunning,
extraordinary leader,
1048
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:03,408
because, um, oftentimes,
1049
00:56:03,492 --> 00:56:05,367
people
who are in the public life
1050
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:07,533
don't go deep into pain,
1051
00:56:07,617 --> 00:56:09,283
and he was willing to do that.
1052
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:14,242
This is a letter he wrote
two days after...
1053
00:56:14,325 --> 00:56:17,742
uh, our Uncle Jack died.
1054
00:56:17,825 --> 00:56:19,992
"Dear Kathleen,
you seem to understand
1055
00:56:20,075 --> 00:56:23,033
that Jack died
and was buried today.
1056
00:56:23,117 --> 00:56:25,492
As the oldest
of the Kennedy grandchildren,
1057
00:56:25,575 --> 00:56:28,367
you have
a particular responsibility now.
1058
00:56:28,450 --> 00:56:32,283
A special responsibility
to John and Joe.
1059
00:56:32,367 --> 00:56:34,242
Be kind to others...
1060
00:56:34,325 --> 00:56:37,575
and work for your country.
Love, Daddy."
1061
00:56:37,658 --> 00:56:39,658
And you have to think
about this.
1062
00:56:39,742 --> 00:56:41,908
He had just had
the most terrible tragedy,
1063
00:56:41,992 --> 00:56:43,867
he had just lost his brother,
1064
00:56:43,950 --> 00:56:45,492
he had lost his power,
1065
00:56:45,575 --> 00:56:47,742
which was
as the attorney general.
1066
00:56:47,825 --> 00:56:50,242
He didn't know
what was gonna happen to Jackie,
1067
00:56:50,325 --> 00:56:52,700
and he didn't know where to go.
1068
00:56:52,783 --> 00:56:56,950
And you can imagine
that others in that situation
1069
00:56:57,033 --> 00:57:00,283
might be filled
with a spirit of revenge,
1070
00:57:00,367 --> 00:57:03,033
or anger, or...
1071
00:57:03,117 --> 00:57:07,325
being, you know, kicking out,
or just so mad.
1072
00:57:07,408 --> 00:57:10,867
And his words
are just amazing to me.
1073
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:14,783
They are about responsibility,
kindness,
1074
00:57:14,867 --> 00:57:16,575
working for our country,
1075
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,575
and love.
1076
00:57:21,283 --> 00:57:25,367
And now,
it is my privilege and honor...
1077
00:57:25,450 --> 00:57:28,075
to introduce Robert Kennedy.
1078
00:57:45,658 --> 00:57:46,992
Mr. Chairman...
1079
00:57:51,533 --> 00:57:53,533
I was sitting
in the living room,
1080
00:57:53,617 --> 00:57:55,575
just watching him
give the speech,
1081
00:57:55,658 --> 00:57:58,825
and the clapping
continued for 17 minutes.
1082
00:57:58,908 --> 00:58:01,242
And it was just so breathtaking.
1083
00:58:01,325 --> 00:58:04,033
And it was sort of like tears
coming down his eyes.
1084
00:58:09,742 --> 00:58:10,908
Mr. Chairman...
1085
00:58:32,283 --> 00:58:35,283
I realize that,
as an individual,
1086
00:58:35,367 --> 00:58:37,617
that we can't just look back,
1087
00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:40,117
that we must look forward.
When I think of...
1088
00:58:41,492 --> 00:58:43,242
President Kennedy, I think of...
1089
00:58:45,117 --> 00:58:48,992
of what Shakespeare said
in Romeo and Juliet.
1090
00:58:49,075 --> 00:58:51,033
"When he shall die...
1091
00:58:51,117 --> 00:58:53,742
take him and cut him out
in little stars,
1092
00:58:53,825 --> 00:58:56,950
and he shall make the face
of heaven so fine
1093
00:58:57,033 --> 00:58:59,950
that all the world
will be in love with night...
1094
00:59:00,033 --> 00:59:02,867
and pay no worship
to the garish sun."
1095
00:59:07,492 --> 00:59:12,908
It was such an outpouring
of emotion and love for Jack...
1096
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,033
and it washed over Daddy.
1097
00:59:23,242 --> 00:59:25,867
I think after the
Canadians named Mount Kennedy,
1098
00:59:25,950 --> 00:59:28,283
the highest unclimbed peak
in Canada,
1099
00:59:28,367 --> 00:59:29,617
after his brother,
1100
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:32,950
I think he knew that he needed
to be the first to climb it.
1101
00:59:33,033 --> 00:59:34,783
When did the idea
first come to you
1102
00:59:34,867 --> 00:59:37,033
to climb the mountain?
1103
00:59:37,117 --> 00:59:40,200
I think my younger brother
suggested that we both do it.
1104
00:59:40,283 --> 00:59:41,783
Why isn't Teddy coming out?
1105
00:59:41,867 --> 00:59:44,992
Well, that's what I'm gonna f...
try to find out.
1106
00:59:45,075 --> 00:59:48,950
Here was Daddy,
who arrived in a business suit,
1107
00:59:49,033 --> 00:59:51,783
changed into
his mountain climbing gear,
1108
00:59:51,867 --> 00:59:54,325
and just wanted
to get right up there.
1109
00:59:56,575 --> 01:00:01,408
It was three days of climbing up
and back again.
1110
01:00:05,492 --> 01:00:07,325
Daddy brought up a flag
1111
01:00:07,408 --> 01:00:10,992
with the Kennedy family
coat of arms,
1112
01:00:11,075 --> 01:00:15,242
and then coins
with Jack's face on them.
1113
01:00:16,492 --> 01:00:17,867
Did he like climbing?
1114
01:00:17,950 --> 01:00:20,075
No, he hated
every moment of it.
1115
01:00:20,742 --> 01:00:22,825
But he did it to honor Jack.
1116
01:00:29,867 --> 01:00:31,742
It was cleansing, or...
1117
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:36,450
gave him the impetus to...
1118
01:00:37,450 --> 01:00:39,408
go on, and, uh...
1119
01:00:41,908 --> 01:00:42,950
start again.
1120
01:00:44,617 --> 01:00:45,825
He started...
1121
01:00:46,908 --> 01:00:50,242
little baby steps
to come out of it...
1122
01:00:50,325 --> 01:00:54,408
but I think it was really
you children who did it.
1123
01:00:54,492 --> 01:00:57,033
And you can see it
in the photographs of the time,
1124
01:00:57,117 --> 01:00:59,658
when he was playing
touch football with you.
1125
01:01:02,867 --> 01:01:04,950
Oh, Kathleen!
1126
01:01:14,117 --> 01:01:15,658
In 1964,
1127
01:01:15,742 --> 01:01:19,075
my father decided to run
for the United States Senate.
1128
01:01:19,783 --> 01:01:22,158
Over the past few weeks...
1129
01:01:22,242 --> 01:01:23,950
many leading members
of the Democratic
1130
01:01:24,033 --> 01:01:27,450
and the Liberal parties
here in the state of New York
1131
01:01:27,533 --> 01:01:29,783
have talked to me
about being a candidate
1132
01:01:29,867 --> 01:01:31,325
for the United States Senate.
1133
01:01:31,408 --> 01:01:32,783
Mrs. Kennedy, how do you feel
1134
01:01:32,867 --> 01:01:35,867
about transferring your family
to the state of New York?
1135
01:01:35,950 --> 01:01:37,908
I'm looking forward to it.
1136
01:01:37,992 --> 01:01:40,242
This was the first
time he was running...
1137
01:01:40,325 --> 01:01:41,617
- On his own.
- Yeah.
1138
01:01:41,700 --> 01:01:44,783
Yeah, and it was
totally different, and he was...
1139
01:01:47,992 --> 01:01:49,617
not as comfortable.
1140
01:01:49,700 --> 01:01:52,367
I think that the election
is of great importance,
1141
01:01:52,450 --> 01:01:55,158
and I think Queens
is a pivitable... piv...
1142
01:01:55,242 --> 01:01:58,867
It's been a long day.
1143
01:01:58,950 --> 01:02:01,450
It's been a long campaign.
1144
01:02:01,533 --> 01:02:04,908
Whereas Jack was a born orator,
1145
01:02:04,992 --> 01:02:07,533
nothing came naturally to Daddy.
1146
01:02:08,658 --> 01:02:11,283
He really had to, um...
1147
01:02:12,575 --> 01:02:15,033
struggle for everything.
1148
01:02:15,117 --> 01:02:17,867
In 1963, the people
in the Plattsburgh area
1149
01:02:17,950 --> 01:02:22,158
paid 12 million dollars...
taxes... schools...
1150
01:02:22,242 --> 01:02:26,492
If my opponent had his way,
your a... area would have lost.
1151
01:02:26,575 --> 01:02:28,117
I stumbled on that.
1152
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,575
Campaigning was totally
against his nature.
1153
01:02:32,283 --> 01:02:33,492
And how did you like it?
1154
01:02:33,575 --> 01:02:35,200
I loved it.
1155
01:02:37,450 --> 01:02:39,283
What can I tell you?
1156
01:02:39,367 --> 01:02:40,992
Well, I just think
when people think
1157
01:02:41,075 --> 01:02:43,450
of Bob Kennedy,
they think of courage,
1158
01:02:43,533 --> 01:02:45,700
and I can't think of anyone
1159
01:02:45,783 --> 01:02:48,242
who would better represent you
1160
01:02:48,325 --> 01:02:50,992
in the Senate
of the United States.
1161
01:02:51,075 --> 01:02:53,950
Daddy moved from
behind the scenes to,
1162
01:02:54,033 --> 01:02:56,200
you know, a very
public figure in those years,
1163
01:02:56,283 --> 01:02:59,158
and those were not
easy transitions for him.
1164
01:03:00,158 --> 01:03:02,742
Mommy lifted Daddy up.
1165
01:03:02,825 --> 01:03:06,283
He had a lot in him,
but it's hard to get that out,
1166
01:03:06,367 --> 01:03:09,700
and you had to have that faith
that she had in him.
1167
01:03:09,783 --> 01:03:11,242
I always have felt that,
1168
01:03:11,325 --> 01:03:13,992
having been a campaign manager
before, that...
1169
01:03:14,075 --> 01:03:16,200
90 percent of the talk
was done by men,
1170
01:03:16,283 --> 01:03:18,492
and 90 percent of the work
was done by women.
1171
01:03:23,075 --> 01:03:25,325
- Hello.
- Nice to see you.
1172
01:03:25,408 --> 01:03:27,242
- Hello.
- Nice to be here.
1173
01:03:27,325 --> 01:03:29,783
Thank you for wearing his button.
1174
01:03:29,867 --> 01:03:32,200
We had a house in New York.
1175
01:03:32,283 --> 01:03:34,908
It was in Glen Cove,
Long Island.
1176
01:03:34,992 --> 01:03:39,325
So there were a lot of
gatherings there.
1177
01:03:39,408 --> 01:03:42,742
Hundreds of women.
But I was pregnant.
1178
01:03:44,617 --> 01:03:46,450
- You were always pregnant.
- I know.
1179
01:03:47,783 --> 01:03:49,200
I was just getting bigger
1180
01:03:49,283 --> 01:03:51,950
and bigger and bigger.
I mean...
1181
01:03:52,033 --> 01:03:55,742
For the last 14 years,
Bobby' been down serving
1182
01:03:55,825 --> 01:03:57,658
the federal government
in Washington.
1183
01:03:57,742 --> 01:04:00,450
And now he'll care for you.
But the only thing is
1184
01:04:00,533 --> 01:04:02,242
he needs you
to care for him first,
1185
01:04:02,325 --> 01:04:04,908
and for you to support him.
1186
01:04:04,992 --> 01:04:06,658
We were part of that campaign,
1187
01:04:06,742 --> 01:04:08,408
and we went everywhere with him.
1188
01:04:08,492 --> 01:04:10,700
We went to the Finger Lakes,
we went to Syracuse,
1189
01:04:10,783 --> 01:04:13,617
and Rochester, and Rye,
and Schenectady...
1190
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:16,367
We just could not wait
to go campaigning,
1191
01:04:16,450 --> 01:04:19,283
which, if you talk to children
of politicians,
1192
01:04:19,367 --> 01:04:21,742
this is not a common theme
whatsoever.
1193
01:04:21,825 --> 01:04:23,700
But they always made it
an adventure.
1194
01:04:23,783 --> 01:04:28,283
So it just felt so holistic,
1195
01:04:28,367 --> 01:04:31,408
like this was part of our life.
1196
01:04:31,492 --> 01:04:33,450
Daddy was attacked
for his decision
1197
01:04:33,533 --> 01:04:36,283
to run for the Senate
in New York.
1198
01:04:36,367 --> 01:04:38,325
He was called a carpetbagger.
1199
01:04:38,408 --> 01:04:40,617
Aren't you really
using New York State
1200
01:04:40,700 --> 01:04:42,575
as a kind of jumping-off place
1201
01:04:42,658 --> 01:04:45,408
for your own
presidential ambitions?
1202
01:04:51,242 --> 01:04:55,533
Well, first let me say I would...
I have really two choices
1203
01:04:55,617 --> 01:04:58,908
uh, over the period
of the last ten months.
1204
01:04:58,992 --> 01:05:00,325
I could've retired,
1205
01:05:00,408 --> 01:05:02,200
and, uh...
1206
01:05:02,283 --> 01:05:05,742
And I... my, uh...
father has done very well,
1207
01:05:05,825 --> 01:05:07,200
and I could've lived off him.
1208
01:05:10,533 --> 01:05:12,450
Frankly, I don't need the title.
1209
01:05:12,533 --> 01:05:14,450
'Cause I could be
called General, I understand,
1210
01:05:14,533 --> 01:05:16,242
for the rest of my life.
I've been...
1211
01:05:21,575 --> 01:05:23,075
And I don't need the money,
1212
01:05:23,158 --> 01:05:24,617
and I don't need
the office space.
1213
01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:27,825
So I would just... I mean...
1214
01:05:28,492 --> 01:05:30,450
Frank as it is, and maybe
1215
01:05:30,533 --> 01:05:33,033
it's difficult to understand
in the state of New York,
1216
01:05:33,117 --> 01:05:35,200
I'd like to just be
a good United States senator.
1217
01:05:35,283 --> 01:05:37,575
I'd like to serve.
1218
01:05:41,783 --> 01:05:43,992
He's the United
States senator from New York,
1219
01:05:44,075 --> 01:05:48,033
so said the people of this state
by a half a million votes.
1220
01:05:48,117 --> 01:05:50,200
Daddy won his seat
in the Senate,
1221
01:05:50,283 --> 01:05:53,367
beating Kenneth Keating
with 55 percent of the vote.
1222
01:05:53,450 --> 01:05:56,658
Senator, in assessing
the results of the campaign,
1223
01:05:56,742 --> 01:05:58,658
what do you attribute
your success to?
1224
01:05:58,742 --> 01:06:02,242
I think just the effort
that we made in the campaign.
1225
01:06:02,325 --> 01:06:04,658
And Ethel.
1226
01:06:04,742 --> 01:06:07,367
Here's a senator
from Massachusetts.
1227
01:06:07,450 --> 01:06:09,992
He joined
his younger brother, Teddy,
1228
01:06:10,075 --> 01:06:11,158
in the Senate.
1229
01:06:13,658 --> 01:06:17,075
It was a magical time,
because Daddy
1230
01:06:17,158 --> 01:06:20,408
was very interested in ideas.
1231
01:06:20,492 --> 01:06:22,283
He was reading the Greeks.
1232
01:06:22,367 --> 01:06:25,492
Mommy and Daddy
would take us to the theater.
1233
01:06:25,575 --> 01:06:29,242
You know, Elizabeth Taylor
and Richard Burton were friends.
1234
01:06:29,325 --> 01:06:32,283
They would recite the Crispian
Day Speech together.
1235
01:06:32,367 --> 01:06:33,533
I mean, there was just...
1236
01:06:33,617 --> 01:06:35,950
there was really a sense
of excitement.
1237
01:06:37,283 --> 01:06:39,992
Mommy and Daddy also wanted us
to see,
1238
01:06:40,075 --> 01:06:41,867
you know,
how other people lived.
1239
01:06:41,950 --> 01:06:45,492
And so we'd often drive
through Harlem
1240
01:06:45,575 --> 01:06:48,742
and the Bronx
and Bedford-Stuyvesant.
1241
01:06:48,825 --> 01:06:52,367
They wanted to make sure
that we didn't just think we...
1242
01:06:52,450 --> 01:06:54,700
the world was how we saw it.
1243
01:06:56,867 --> 01:06:59,867
We were appalled
by the poverty
1244
01:06:59,950 --> 01:07:02,700
and that nobody
was paying attention...
1245
01:07:02,783 --> 01:07:04,908
to the people
on the lowest rungs
1246
01:07:04,992 --> 01:07:06,075
of the ladder.
1247
01:07:06,158 --> 01:07:07,700
I don't think
that it's acceptable,
1248
01:07:07,783 --> 01:07:08,950
as I said before,
1249
01:07:09,033 --> 01:07:11,158
with the gross national product
that this country has,
1250
01:07:11,242 --> 01:07:13,450
with the great amount
of wealth that this country has,
1251
01:07:13,533 --> 01:07:15,367
that we still have people
who can't find jobs,
1252
01:07:15,450 --> 01:07:18,075
we still have children
who don't have enough to eat
1253
01:07:18,158 --> 01:07:19,950
and don't have clothes to wear.
1254
01:07:20,033 --> 01:07:23,033
Daddy was very focused
on trying to do something.
1255
01:07:23,117 --> 01:07:24,742
You know, when I was very young,
1256
01:07:24,825 --> 01:07:28,408
he was interested in sort of
justice, as in making sure
1257
01:07:28,492 --> 01:07:31,825
that people who had ripped off
their fellow workers
1258
01:07:31,908 --> 01:07:34,617
or their employees
should be brought to justice.
1259
01:07:34,700 --> 01:07:36,867
And now he was interested
in justice
1260
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:38,117
for the whole country.
1261
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,783
When Daddy went down
to the Delta,
1262
01:07:49,867 --> 01:07:54,867
he was just so riveted
by the experience.
1263
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:56,825
What did you
have for lunch?
1264
01:07:56,908 --> 01:07:58,033
I haven't eaten.
1265
01:07:58,117 --> 01:07:59,950
- You haven't had lunch yet?
- No.
1266
01:08:00,033 --> 01:08:02,617
He described how the children
1267
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:04,200
had distended stomachs
1268
01:08:04,283 --> 01:08:06,033
and had sores all over
their tummy
1269
01:08:06,117 --> 01:08:08,492
because they didn't have
enough to eat.
1270
01:08:10,033 --> 01:08:13,408
He arrived home
just as we were having dinner,
1271
01:08:13,492 --> 01:08:17,575
clearly moved and emotionally
exhausted, I'd say...
1272
01:08:18,533 --> 01:08:22,075
from seeing such dire poverty.
1273
01:08:22,158 --> 01:08:24,617
I remember it was a lovely...
a lovely evening,
1274
01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:28,075
and the... the table
in our dining room was set.
1275
01:08:28,158 --> 01:08:31,450
And as you know, we had
a really nice dining room,
1276
01:08:31,533 --> 01:08:34,825
with chandeliers
and the crystal on the glasses,
1277
01:08:34,908 --> 01:08:38,200
and a cook to cook dinner,
and somebody to serve it.
1278
01:08:38,283 --> 01:08:40,658
And Daddy walked in.
I was... I was just there,
1279
01:08:40,742 --> 01:08:44,075
and he said,
"I've just been, um...
1280
01:08:44,158 --> 01:08:46,742
to Mississippi,
and I've seen a family
1281
01:08:46,825 --> 01:08:52,992
who live in a room
the size of this dining room.
1282
01:08:53,075 --> 01:08:55,033
Do you know
how lucky you are?"
1283
01:08:55,117 --> 01:08:58,242
And he was shaking. "Do you know
how lucky you are?
1284
01:08:58,325 --> 01:09:00,700
You have to do something
for our country.
1285
01:09:00,783 --> 01:09:02,200
You have to give back."
1286
01:09:02,283 --> 01:09:05,450
Huelga! Huelga! Huelga!
1287
01:09:05,533 --> 01:09:09,242
Huelga! Huelga! Huelga! Huelga!
1288
01:09:09,325 --> 01:09:12,158
At that time,
Cesar Chavez was organizing
1289
01:09:12,242 --> 01:09:16,117
with the grape pickers,
and he was on strike,
1290
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,325
and he asked Daddy
to come and see him.
1291
01:09:19,408 --> 01:09:21,367
Senator, are you
a supporter of Mr. Chavez?
1292
01:09:21,450 --> 01:09:22,783
Is that why you're going
up there?
1293
01:09:22,867 --> 01:09:24,617
Uh, he's been on a hunger strike
1294
01:09:24,700 --> 01:09:26,867
and has, uh,
committed to non-violence,
1295
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:29,700
and I think
that's terribly important.
1296
01:09:29,783 --> 01:09:32,783
Cesar had been
on a very long fast,
1297
01:09:32,867 --> 01:09:36,325
and Daddy wanted to be there
at his side
1298
01:09:36,408 --> 01:09:40,825
after Cesar had made
such a personal sacrifice.
1299
01:09:44,908 --> 01:09:48,742
Look at what friendship
they had developed.
1300
01:09:49,408 --> 01:09:50,575
Yeah.
1301
01:09:52,783 --> 01:09:54,950
I think
they would have been friends
1302
01:09:55,033 --> 01:09:58,700
under any circumstances,
just because...
1303
01:09:58,783 --> 01:10:02,242
they cared so much
about the same kind of people.
1304
01:10:05,658 --> 01:10:07,367
Somebody wrote on the, uh...
1305
01:10:08,575 --> 01:10:10,325
on the pyramids, the...
1306
01:10:11,825 --> 01:10:13,575
time they were being
constructed, the words,
1307
01:10:13,658 --> 01:10:16,408
"And no one was angry enough
to speak out."
1308
01:10:16,492 --> 01:10:19,033
I think people should be
angry enough to speak out.
1309
01:10:19,117 --> 01:10:20,408
I think there are injustices.
1310
01:10:20,492 --> 01:10:22,242
I think there are unfairnesses
in my own country
1311
01:10:22,325 --> 01:10:24,492
and around the world,
and I think...
1312
01:10:24,575 --> 01:10:28,075
that, uh,
if one feels involved in it,
1313
01:10:28,158 --> 01:10:30,158
that, uh, one should
try to do something about it.
1314
01:10:33,117 --> 01:10:38,033
? Come gather 'round, people
Wherever you roam ?
1315
01:10:38,117 --> 01:10:42,658
? And admit that the waters
Around you have grown ?
1316
01:10:42,742 --> 01:10:47,200
? And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone ?
1317
01:10:49,033 --> 01:10:52,283
? If your time to you
Is worth savin' ?
1318
01:10:52,367 --> 01:10:54,242
We'll get to the promised land!
1319
01:10:54,325 --> 01:10:57,658
? And you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone ?
1320
01:10:57,742 --> 01:11:01,825
? For the times
They are a-changin'... ?
1321
01:11:01,908 --> 01:11:04,533
By the mid-1960s,
race relations
1322
01:11:04,617 --> 01:11:07,075
in the United States
were badly strained.
1323
01:11:07,158 --> 01:11:10,075
Violence had broken out
in cities across America.
1324
01:11:10,158 --> 01:11:13,158
Los Angeles, Newark, Detroit.
1325
01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:16,033
Added to this was Vietnam
1326
01:11:16,117 --> 01:11:18,367
and the growing
anti-war movement.
1327
01:11:18,450 --> 01:11:21,367
Get out of Vietnam!
Get out! Get out!
1328
01:11:21,450 --> 01:11:23,533
Get out of Vietnam! Get out!
1329
01:11:23,617 --> 01:11:25,450
Do you remember
when Daddy decided
1330
01:11:25,533 --> 01:11:26,867
to run for president?
1331
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:30,367
Yeah, I mean, I remember
we had this conversation
1332
01:11:30,450 --> 01:11:34,325
around the dinner table,
and he asked all of us, um...
1333
01:11:34,408 --> 01:11:37,658
all the kids, what do you think
about him running?
1334
01:11:37,742 --> 01:11:40,242
And there was some discussion
about Vietnam,
1335
01:11:40,325 --> 01:11:43,992
and there was some discussion
about the civil rights movement.
1336
01:11:45,242 --> 01:11:48,367
Vietnam informed
Daddy's decision
1337
01:11:48,450 --> 01:11:49,867
to run for president.
1338
01:11:49,950 --> 01:11:51,033
- Is that right?
- Yes.
1339
01:11:51,117 --> 01:11:53,242
I would say 90 percent,
probably.
1340
01:11:54,575 --> 01:11:55,867
Was the feeling that Johnson
1341
01:11:55,950 --> 01:11:57,867
- wasn't gonna get out?
- Yes.
1342
01:11:57,950 --> 01:12:00,408
And was he interacting
with Johnson
1343
01:12:00,492 --> 01:12:02,200
- at that point?
- No.
1344
01:12:02,283 --> 01:12:04,242
- They didn't...
- No, he was clearly
1345
01:12:04,325 --> 01:12:05,658
persona non grata.
1346
01:12:05,742 --> 01:12:09,200
For 20 years, first the French
and then the United States
1347
01:12:09,283 --> 01:12:12,700
have been predicting victory
in Vietnam.
1348
01:12:12,783 --> 01:12:18,742
Once, in 1962, I participated
in such a prediction myself...
1349
01:12:18,825 --> 01:12:21,658
but for 20 years,
we have been wrong.
1350
01:12:23,825 --> 01:12:28,033
The country was in such
a state of miasma,
1351
01:12:28,117 --> 01:12:30,742
and it needed his spirit.
1352
01:12:31,742 --> 01:12:34,033
I am announcing today
my candidacy...
1353
01:12:35,117 --> 01:12:37,992
for the presidency
of the United States.
1354
01:12:38,075 --> 01:12:39,783
Do you remember
when he announced
1355
01:12:39,867 --> 01:12:41,242
- his run for president?
- Yes.
1356
01:12:41,325 --> 01:12:43,867
- Where was it?
- In the Senate Caucus Room,
1357
01:12:43,950 --> 01:12:46,492
where, before him, Jack had.
1358
01:12:48,242 --> 01:12:49,450
So it was...
1359
01:12:50,158 --> 01:12:50,992
it was great.
1360
01:12:51,075 --> 01:12:52,908
I run for the presidency
1361
01:12:52,992 --> 01:12:55,908
because I want
the United States of America
1362
01:12:55,992 --> 01:12:57,450
to stand for hope...
1363
01:12:58,075 --> 01:12:59,367
instead of despair.
1364
01:13:00,242 --> 01:13:02,450
For reconciliation of men...
1365
01:13:02,533 --> 01:13:06,283
instead of the growing risk
of world war.
1366
01:13:06,367 --> 01:13:09,867
Most of Daddy's aides
did not want Daddy to run.
1367
01:13:09,950 --> 01:13:11,825
Mommy, more than anybody,
1368
01:13:11,908 --> 01:13:14,658
knew that Daddy
would be miserable
1369
01:13:14,742 --> 01:13:17,575
if he didn't join that campaign.
1370
01:13:18,492 --> 01:13:20,450
Daddy had entered the race late,
1371
01:13:20,533 --> 01:13:23,742
but he started
campaigning vigorously.
1372
01:13:23,825 --> 01:13:26,742
And Mommy, who was pregnant
with me at the time,
1373
01:13:26,825 --> 01:13:29,075
joined him as often
as she could.
1374
01:13:29,158 --> 01:13:31,992
I don't think it's tolerable
that young men and young women
1375
01:13:32,075 --> 01:13:35,408
growing up in our great cities
are not able to find jobs.
1376
01:13:35,492 --> 01:13:39,533
And I think whites and blacks,
poor and rich together,
1377
01:13:39,617 --> 01:13:42,408
that we can work together.
1378
01:13:42,492 --> 01:13:44,033
This first week has taken him
1379
01:13:44,117 --> 01:13:45,992
all across the country
to the South
1380
01:13:46,075 --> 01:13:47,450
and to the Far West.
1381
01:13:47,533 --> 01:13:49,492
I would like to have
the politics of reality
1382
01:13:49,575 --> 01:13:50,950
and the politics of hope.
1383
01:13:51,033 --> 01:13:52,742
Do you think
it's going well, in general?
1384
01:13:52,825 --> 01:13:54,950
Well, I think
winning in three primaries,
1385
01:13:55,033 --> 01:13:56,867
three for three, isn't bad.
1386
01:13:57,867 --> 01:13:59,575
I hate to burden you
with questions now,
1387
01:13:59,658 --> 01:14:01,367
- but I'm just wondering.
- That's okay.
1388
01:14:01,450 --> 01:14:03,867
Is this laryngitis
a result of the campaign
1389
01:14:03,950 --> 01:14:05,533
- and the talking a lot?
- Yes, yes, yes.
1390
01:14:05,617 --> 01:14:07,908
Is it 'cause you've
been making so many speeches?
1391
01:14:07,992 --> 01:14:10,450
No, I think
it's just the strenuous pace
1392
01:14:10,533 --> 01:14:11,825
of the campaign.
1393
01:14:17,533 --> 01:14:20,992
Dr. Martin Luther King,
the apostle of non-violence
1394
01:14:21,075 --> 01:14:22,492
in the civil rights movement,
1395
01:14:22,575 --> 01:14:25,117
has been shot to death
in Memphis, Tennessee.
1396
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,325
The nation
has not known such shock,
1397
01:14:27,408 --> 01:14:28,992
nor has it been so stunned,
1398
01:14:29,075 --> 01:14:31,533
since the assassination
of President Kennedy.
1399
01:14:31,617 --> 01:14:34,658
Mommy and Daddy's
campaign plane had just landed
1400
01:14:34,742 --> 01:14:35,908
in Indianapolis,
1401
01:14:35,992 --> 01:14:39,242
when they learned of
Martin Luther King Jr.'s death.
1402
01:14:39,325 --> 01:14:42,408
Riots were breaking out in
cities across the nation,
1403
01:14:42,492 --> 01:14:46,200
and the police told them
to stay in their hotel.
1404
01:14:46,283 --> 01:14:48,242
The police did not want Daddy
1405
01:14:48,325 --> 01:14:50,575
to go into the inner city
that night,
1406
01:14:50,658 --> 01:14:53,283
and I believe they said
they wouldn't protect him,
1407
01:14:53,367 --> 01:14:57,242
but absolutely nothing
was going to stop him.
1408
01:14:57,325 --> 01:15:01,033
'Cause I think he thought
that maybe, just maybe,
1409
01:15:01,117 --> 01:15:04,825
he could present it
in such a way...
1410
01:15:06,617 --> 01:15:08,950
that people would not riot.
1411
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:23,075
Ladies and gentlemen...
1412
01:15:23,158 --> 01:15:26,492
I have some very sad news
for all of you,
1413
01:15:26,575 --> 01:15:31,325
and I think, uh, sad news
for all of our fellow citizens,
1414
01:15:31,408 --> 01:15:34,117
and that is
that Martin Luther King
1415
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,783
was shot and was killed
tonight in Memphis, Tennessee.
1416
01:15:39,533 --> 01:15:41,408
For those of you who are...
1417
01:15:42,158 --> 01:15:43,658
Black...
1418
01:15:43,742 --> 01:15:45,492
and are tempted to fill with...
1419
01:15:45,575 --> 01:15:48,533
be filled with
hatred and mistrust
1420
01:15:48,617 --> 01:15:50,242
against all white people,
1421
01:15:50,325 --> 01:15:54,742
I would also say that I can also
feel in my own heart...
1422
01:15:54,825 --> 01:15:56,408
the same kind of feeling.
1423
01:15:57,408 --> 01:15:59,825
I had a member
of my family killed...
1424
01:16:00,867 --> 01:16:02,950
but he was killed
by a white man.
1425
01:16:04,325 --> 01:16:06,700
But we have to make
an effort in the United States
1426
01:16:06,783 --> 01:16:10,492
to get beyond, or go beyond,
these rather difficult times.
1427
01:16:10,575 --> 01:16:13,992
My favorite poet was Aeschylus.
1428
01:16:14,075 --> 01:16:15,575
And he once wrote,
1429
01:16:15,658 --> 01:16:17,367
"Even in our sleep,
1430
01:16:17,450 --> 01:16:20,117
pain which cannot forget...
1431
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,075
falls drop by drop
upon the heart...
1432
01:16:23,783 --> 01:16:26,158
until in our own despair...
1433
01:16:26,825 --> 01:16:28,617
against our will...
1434
01:16:28,700 --> 01:16:32,825
comes wisdom
through the awful grace of God."
1435
01:16:32,908 --> 01:16:34,242
What we need
in the United States...
1436
01:16:34,325 --> 01:16:36,617
In the wake
of King's assassination,
1437
01:16:36,700 --> 01:16:39,908
riots broke out
in more than 100 cities.
1438
01:16:39,992 --> 01:16:43,700
But in Indianapolis,
there was no such violence.
1439
01:16:47,700 --> 01:16:51,242
I think there was a loss
of hope at that time.
1440
01:16:51,325 --> 01:16:54,825
After Jack died, and then
Martin Luther King was killed,
1441
01:16:54,908 --> 01:16:57,617
many people
put their final hopes in Daddy.
1442
01:16:59,617 --> 01:17:01,617
Robert Kennedy is the only man
1443
01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:04,033
on the current
political structure
1444
01:17:04,117 --> 01:17:06,992
that can do the job
that we need done.
1445
01:17:07,075 --> 01:17:08,867
Is there a second choice?
1446
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:11,283
There is no second choice
as far as we're concerned.
1447
01:17:19,242 --> 01:17:22,200
I want to first thank my wife,
Ethel,
1448
01:17:22,283 --> 01:17:24,742
who, as all of you know,
has made such a major difference
1449
01:17:24,825 --> 01:17:27,117
in this campaign
and a major difference for me.
1450
01:17:30,325 --> 01:17:32,950
I don't think anybody could have
1451
01:17:33,033 --> 01:17:35,575
campaigned more vigorously
or thoughtfully,
1452
01:17:35,658 --> 01:17:39,242
or gone to more cities
or towns or villages.
1453
01:17:39,325 --> 01:17:43,492
And he had tremendous energy,
and he really...
1454
01:17:43,575 --> 01:17:46,408
felt the need to talk
to different people
1455
01:17:46,492 --> 01:17:49,117
and to get his views across.
1456
01:17:50,492 --> 01:17:53,117
Did you feel like Daddy
was going to win?
1457
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,075
He had lost in Oregon, right?
1458
01:17:55,158 --> 01:17:57,408
He lost in Oregon,
and it was the first time
1459
01:17:57,492 --> 01:17:59,783
any Kennedy had lost,
and it was...
1460
01:18:01,367 --> 01:18:04,033
not fun. Losing isn't any fun.
1461
01:18:04,117 --> 01:18:05,283
No kidding.
1462
01:18:05,367 --> 01:18:07,033
Why did I lose?
1463
01:18:07,117 --> 01:18:08,533
Just because I didn't do
well enough.
1464
01:18:08,617 --> 01:18:10,450
I mean, I can't...
There wasn't any, uh...
1465
01:18:10,533 --> 01:18:13,950
I can just...
The only fault or blame is me.
1466
01:18:14,033 --> 01:18:16,783
I can't... But I can't...
That's me.
1467
01:18:16,867 --> 01:18:19,450
Everybody agreed
that Daddy's loss in Oregon
1468
01:18:19,533 --> 01:18:21,533
did not bode well
for the campaign,
1469
01:18:22,283 --> 01:18:23,783
but he went on to California,
1470
01:18:23,867 --> 01:18:26,450
and there the campaign
picked up steam.
1471
01:18:26,533 --> 01:18:29,908
Decency is at the heart
of the matter,
1472
01:18:29,992 --> 01:18:31,867
for poverty is indecent.
1473
01:18:31,950 --> 01:18:33,908
Illiteracy is indecent.
1474
01:18:33,992 --> 01:18:37,617
The death or maiming
of a brave young man
1475
01:18:37,700 --> 01:18:40,617
in the swamps of Asia
or South Vietnam,
1476
01:18:40,700 --> 01:18:41,992
that is indecent.
1477
01:18:46,533 --> 01:18:49,367
We went to,
uh, California
1478
01:18:49,450 --> 01:18:52,742
in June,
and we campaigned in Watts,
1479
01:18:52,825 --> 01:18:56,992
and we had Rafer Johnson
and Rosey Grier, uh...
1480
01:18:57,075 --> 01:19:00,117
holding Daddy
on the top of a convertible,
1481
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,325
and we were all holding on
for dear life,
1482
01:19:02,408 --> 01:19:04,450
and everybody
was just reaching up
1483
01:19:04,533 --> 01:19:06,992
to see him
and to touch him and to...
1484
01:19:07,075 --> 01:19:09,783
to even, like, to rip...
rip his shirt off.
1485
01:19:09,867 --> 01:19:11,283
It was like he was a Beatle.
1486
01:19:11,367 --> 01:19:13,450
He was... he was just...
1487
01:19:13,533 --> 01:19:14,700
He touched people,
1488
01:19:14,783 --> 01:19:17,617
and they, in return,
wanted to physically touch him.
1489
01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:19,408
- Mr. Kennedy!
- Mr. Kennedy!
1490
01:19:19,492 --> 01:19:21,325
California loves you!
1491
01:19:21,408 --> 01:19:24,033
There was a lot
hinging on California.
1492
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:27,492
- I think the works.
- Right.
1493
01:19:27,575 --> 01:19:29,075
Daddy went on to win
1494
01:19:29,158 --> 01:19:30,533
- the primary...
- Right.
1495
01:19:30,617 --> 01:19:31,950
- ...in California.
- Yeah.
1496
01:19:32,033 --> 01:19:33,867
Which is such
a thrilling moment,
1497
01:19:33,950 --> 01:19:35,742
'cause it really seemed...
1498
01:19:35,825 --> 01:19:37,950
- like he might win.
- Yeah.
1499
01:19:38,033 --> 01:19:42,367
Yeah, then there was
a very optimistic feeling.
1500
01:19:42,450 --> 01:19:48,742
RFK! RFK! RFK!
1501
01:19:56,325 --> 01:19:58,867
A few minutes
after he made his victory speech
1502
01:19:58,950 --> 01:20:00,992
in the ballroom
of the Ambassador Hotel
1503
01:20:01,075 --> 01:20:02,492
in Los Angeles,
1504
01:20:02,575 --> 01:20:03,908
my father was shot.
1505
01:20:07,575 --> 01:20:08,992
Then we lost Daddy.
1506
01:20:15,658 --> 01:20:17,325
Talk about something else.
1507
01:20:19,950 --> 01:20:23,075
What happened was
I was in California
1508
01:20:23,158 --> 01:20:26,033
with Courtney
and David and Michael,
1509
01:20:26,117 --> 01:20:28,533
campaigning, and, um...
1510
01:20:29,158 --> 01:20:31,533
uh...
1511
01:20:32,783 --> 01:20:33,867
Um...
1512
01:20:35,908 --> 01:20:38,242
David stayed with Daddy
and Mommy
1513
01:20:38,325 --> 01:20:42,575
to, um, watch the returns,
um...
1514
01:20:43,992 --> 01:20:49,242
and Michael and Courtney and I
went back to the hotel
1515
01:20:49,325 --> 01:20:51,617
and, um, and went to sleep.
1516
01:20:51,700 --> 01:20:53,533
And the next morning,
I probably woke up
1517
01:20:53,617 --> 01:20:55,533
at 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning,
1518
01:20:55,617 --> 01:20:58,283
and I turned on the television
to watch cartoons,
1519
01:20:58,367 --> 01:21:01,867
and, uh, the news, you know,
just kept coming across,
1520
01:21:01,950 --> 01:21:03,783
um, about Daddy.
1521
01:21:03,867 --> 01:21:05,950
Senator Robert
Francis Kennedy...
1522
01:21:07,367 --> 01:21:09,950
died at 1:44...
1523
01:21:10,867 --> 01:21:12,450
a.m. today...
1524
01:21:13,992 --> 01:21:18,075
June 6, 1968.
1525
01:21:18,158 --> 01:21:21,367
He was, uh, 42 years old.
1526
01:21:23,033 --> 01:21:24,075
Thank you.
1527
01:21:37,075 --> 01:21:39,492
We flew back and waked him
1528
01:21:39,575 --> 01:21:42,950
at St. Patrick's Cathedral,
and in front of St. Patrick's,
1529
01:21:43,033 --> 01:21:46,575
there was, um, hundreds
of thousands of people.
1530
01:21:46,658 --> 01:21:48,742
The crowds were
eight feet thick.
1531
01:21:49,533 --> 01:21:51,325
It was such an outpouring.
1532
01:21:51,408 --> 01:21:55,867
It was amazing.
You know, around the block...
1533
01:21:56,533 --> 01:21:57,700
five deep...
1534
01:21:59,033 --> 01:22:00,492
at St. Patrick's.
1535
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,325
My brother need not be idealized
1536
01:22:12,408 --> 01:22:16,575
or enlarged in death
beyond what he was in life.
1537
01:22:16,658 --> 01:22:20,325
To be remembered simply
as a good and decent man
1538
01:22:20,408 --> 01:22:22,700
who saw wrong
and tried to right it,
1539
01:22:23,908 --> 01:22:26,283
saw suffering
and tried to heal it,
1540
01:22:27,075 --> 01:22:29,825
saw war and tried to stop it.
1541
01:22:37,408 --> 01:22:39,117
The next day,
we took him down
1542
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,200
to Washington, DC, on the train.
1543
01:22:42,283 --> 01:22:44,242
The train ride
took us seven hours
1544
01:22:44,325 --> 01:22:46,867
because there were so many
people on the tracks.
1545
01:22:49,492 --> 01:22:51,533
It was long...
1546
01:22:51,617 --> 01:22:54,533
and hot and very sad,
1547
01:22:54,617 --> 01:22:59,575
and just people... all along...
1548
01:22:59,658 --> 01:23:03,658
with the signs
that they had up, and...
1549
01:23:03,742 --> 01:23:05,867
and the tears in their eyes,
and...
1550
01:23:05,950 --> 01:23:07,283
They just seemed like...
1551
01:23:07,825 --> 01:23:09,367
broken.
1552
01:23:12,325 --> 01:23:14,617
I have
just such a strong memory
1553
01:23:14,700 --> 01:23:16,950
of all those crowds of people.
1554
01:23:17,033 --> 01:23:20,700
And I kind of loved going
through that train and seeing
1555
01:23:20,783 --> 01:23:23,367
all those friends
of our families
1556
01:23:23,450 --> 01:23:26,325
and just feeling like
we're all here together,
1557
01:23:26,408 --> 01:23:28,867
and everybody loves
each other, and...
1558
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:31,325
And looking out the windows
of that train
1559
01:23:31,408 --> 01:23:33,742
and seeing
so many different people
1560
01:23:33,825 --> 01:23:36,450
and it just seemed like
every color of the rainbow,
1561
01:23:36,533 --> 01:23:38,242
and these kind of groups
of white people
1562
01:23:38,325 --> 01:23:41,950
and these groups of Black people
all along the tracks.
1563
01:23:42,033 --> 01:23:43,992
I don't know,
it was a very positive,
1564
01:23:44,075 --> 01:23:45,992
very, very, positive sense,
1565
01:23:46,075 --> 01:23:50,325
in the midst of all that horror,
this kind of...
1566
01:23:51,867 --> 01:23:54,783
sense of unity and of love.
1567
01:23:57,700 --> 01:23:59,783
Everybody commented at the time
1568
01:23:59,867 --> 01:24:03,367
how extraordinary you were,
and strong and...
1569
01:24:03,950 --> 01:24:04,992
Well...
1570
01:24:06,117 --> 01:24:07,367
I don't know.
1571
01:24:08,658 --> 01:24:11,242
A lot of wonderful children
to be with.
1572
01:24:11,325 --> 01:24:13,700
Do you think that faith
helped you at that point,
1573
01:24:13,783 --> 01:24:16,783
- or is it just keep going?
- Yes, I just wake up
1574
01:24:16,867 --> 01:24:19,575
every morning
and think of Daddy...
1575
01:24:20,575 --> 01:24:22,617
uh, up there with Jack...
1576
01:24:24,242 --> 01:24:26,158
and Joe and...
1577
01:24:27,325 --> 01:24:30,283
my parents and a lot
of my brothers and sisters.
1578
01:24:30,367 --> 01:24:31,408
Yeah.
1579
01:24:32,367 --> 01:24:34,658
Probably arguing
with them, but...
1580
01:24:34,742 --> 01:24:36,283
Trying to convince them
1581
01:24:36,367 --> 01:24:38,533
to become Democrats?
1582
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:46,367
When we lost Daddy, I was 11.
I didn't understand it.
1583
01:24:46,450 --> 01:24:48,950
And, uh...
1584
01:24:49,033 --> 01:24:53,200
she said to me,
"Daddy is so happy,
1585
01:24:53,283 --> 01:24:54,992
nothing can take that
away from him,
1586
01:24:55,075 --> 01:24:58,367
and he's in the most joyous,
abundant place."
1587
01:24:58,950 --> 01:25:00,700
And she's joyous.
1588
01:25:00,783 --> 01:25:02,950
While the rest of the world
was grieving
1589
01:25:03,033 --> 01:25:04,492
and the family was grieving,
1590
01:25:04,575 --> 01:25:06,617
she saw the best in it.
1591
01:25:06,700 --> 01:25:09,867
And she saw the best in it
because her faith is so strong.
1592
01:25:09,950 --> 01:25:12,408
And that's carried her,
I believe, through everything,
1593
01:25:12,492 --> 01:25:16,367
through, uh, losing David
and then Michael.
1594
01:25:16,450 --> 01:25:22,492
And she so strongly believes
that they're happy and free.
1595
01:25:24,783 --> 01:25:26,075
In 1984,
1596
01:25:26,158 --> 01:25:29,033
my brother David died
from a drug overdose.
1597
01:25:29,117 --> 01:25:30,825
He was 28 years old.
1598
01:25:34,075 --> 01:25:37,783
And then, in 1997,
my brother Michael died
1599
01:25:37,867 --> 01:25:39,492
in a skiing accident.
1600
01:25:39,575 --> 01:25:40,783
He was 39.
1601
01:25:53,283 --> 01:25:54,450
I remember
1602
01:25:54,533 --> 01:25:56,533
sort of towards the end
of June of that year,
1603
01:25:56,617 --> 01:25:58,992
we went with my uncle Teddy
on a sailboat,
1604
01:25:59,075 --> 01:26:01,075
and we went around
Martha's Vineyard
1605
01:26:01,158 --> 01:26:03,533
and Nantucket Sound
for a few days,
1606
01:26:03,617 --> 01:26:05,158
just to get away from everything
1607
01:26:05,242 --> 01:26:07,283
and to be
with the family, and...
1608
01:26:07,367 --> 01:26:11,200
I remember dragging behind
the boat with my mother
1609
01:26:11,283 --> 01:26:14,450
and thinking she looked
very pregnant.
1610
01:26:14,908 --> 01:26:16,367
And...
1611
01:26:16,450 --> 01:26:19,658
Teddy said something,
and she started laughing
1612
01:26:19,742 --> 01:26:23,492
and laughing and laughing,
you know, almost uncontrollably.
1613
01:26:23,575 --> 01:26:26,992
And I thought...
and then I thought, "Well...
1614
01:26:27,075 --> 01:26:28,950
there is going
to be laughter again.
1615
01:26:29,033 --> 01:26:31,908
There is laughter,
and this doesn't all have to be
1616
01:26:31,992 --> 01:26:34,325
so dark and horrible."
1617
01:26:34,408 --> 01:26:39,367
Although she'd lost Daddy,
she... she did have 11 children.
1618
01:26:39,450 --> 01:26:41,533
And she had you to fight for
1619
01:26:41,617 --> 01:26:44,617
and live for
in the first six months.
1620
01:26:50,325 --> 01:26:51,867
I was born.
1621
01:26:51,950 --> 01:26:53,825
Yes.
1622
01:26:53,908 --> 01:26:56,825
That was the joy of my life.
1623
01:26:56,908 --> 01:26:58,158
Thank you.
1624
01:26:58,242 --> 01:27:00,575
- So that was a few months...
- That was wonderful.
1625
01:27:00,658 --> 01:27:02,325
A few months later.
1626
01:27:02,408 --> 01:27:07,658
We want to say how happy
we are today, and, uh...
1627
01:27:07,742 --> 01:27:12,242
uh, and I told Ethel that
I think Joan and I are gonna
1628
01:27:12,325 --> 01:27:13,617
take this baby home.
1629
01:27:13,700 --> 01:27:16,492
We think Ethel has enough
of them at home, anyway.
1630
01:27:16,575 --> 01:27:19,283
And then you guys went
to Arlington with me?
1631
01:27:19,367 --> 01:27:20,408
Yeah.
1632
01:27:20,492 --> 01:27:22,492
And how was that?
1633
01:27:22,575 --> 01:27:24,825
Well, bittersweet, you know.
1634
01:27:25,658 --> 01:27:26,742
Yeah.
1635
01:27:30,867 --> 01:27:33,908
- Dougie, see your little sister?
- Look how big she is!
1636
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:36,908
It's Rory.
1637
01:27:37,533 --> 01:27:39,783
Can you say her name?
1638
01:27:39,867 --> 01:27:43,408
Teddy had asked what your name
would be...
1639
01:27:43,492 --> 01:27:48,158
and I said, "Rory,
the last of the Irish kings."
1640
01:27:48,908 --> 01:27:50,617
And he said, "Oh!
1641
01:27:52,158 --> 01:27:54,283
Well, you need to teach her
1642
01:27:54,367 --> 01:27:57,742
'Rory, Rory, grab the dory,
there's a herring in the bay.'"
1643
01:27:59,283 --> 01:28:01,200
"Forget the dory, Rory."
1644
01:28:01,283 --> 01:28:03,950
- Oh, yeah, forget the...
- "The herring got away."
1645
01:28:04,033 --> 01:28:07,242
You remember it
more than I did.
1646
01:28:08,325 --> 01:28:09,992
By the time I was born,
1647
01:28:10,075 --> 01:28:12,492
part of the story
was already over...
1648
01:28:12,575 --> 01:28:15,658
and another, different story
was just beginning.
1649
01:28:20,575 --> 01:28:23,033
Good afternoon.
My name is Christopher.
1650
01:28:23,117 --> 01:28:25,325
Coming about...
Right now we're coming about.
1651
01:28:25,408 --> 01:28:29,742
The sheets are rattling.
Mommy's turning that wheel.
1652
01:28:29,825 --> 01:28:32,533
We're gonna have Douglas Kennedy
speak on the recorder,
1653
01:28:32,617 --> 01:28:34,908
and he is a great guy.
1654
01:28:34,992 --> 01:28:38,408
This is Douglas speaking.
Uh, I'm four and a half.
1655
01:28:38,492 --> 01:28:42,033
And I love Mommy.
1656
01:28:43,158 --> 01:28:45,367
At home,
how much did things change
1657
01:28:45,450 --> 01:28:47,033
after Daddy died?
1658
01:28:47,117 --> 01:28:50,533
I think the only way to deal
with 11 children,
1659
01:28:50,617 --> 01:28:54,825
with their friends,
with 30 or 40 first cousins,
1660
01:28:54,908 --> 01:28:59,200
is with structure and discipline
and routine and organization.
1661
01:28:59,283 --> 01:29:02,033
And Mommy brought structure
and discipline and routine
1662
01:29:02,117 --> 01:29:05,867
and organization
to every aspect of our lives.
1663
01:29:05,950 --> 01:29:09,700
It's interesting because,
especially after Daddy died,
1664
01:29:09,783 --> 01:29:12,075
we learned sports from Mommy.
1665
01:29:12,158 --> 01:29:14,450
And she taught us to ski,
1666
01:29:14,533 --> 01:29:18,533
she taught us to play football,
she made sure
1667
01:29:18,617 --> 01:29:20,867
that we weren't going
to sit around
1668
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:23,450
and feel sorry for ourselves.
1669
01:29:23,533 --> 01:29:25,117
Bless us, oh, Lord,
in these, thy gifts
1670
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:26,325
which we are about to receive
1671
01:29:26,408 --> 01:29:28,700
from thy bounty
through Christ, our Lord, Amen.
1672
01:29:28,783 --> 01:29:30,867
David called in today.
1673
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:32,158
He did?
1674
01:29:32,242 --> 01:29:34,325
And do you know
what the temperature is
1675
01:29:34,408 --> 01:29:35,742
where he's working?
1676
01:29:35,825 --> 01:29:39,867
A hundred and seventeen,
in La Paz, California.
1677
01:29:39,950 --> 01:29:44,533
She sent the older kids
to places in our country
1678
01:29:44,617 --> 01:29:47,325
and around the world
so that we could understand
1679
01:29:47,408 --> 01:29:50,617
and live
with different cultures.
1680
01:29:50,700 --> 01:29:54,658
So Kathleen went and lived
on an Indian reservation,
1681
01:29:54,742 --> 01:29:57,783
and Joe lived with a family
in Spain,
1682
01:29:57,867 --> 01:30:01,408
and Bobby lived with
a group of people in Africa.
1683
01:30:01,492 --> 01:30:06,117
Uh, Courtney and I went
and worked on a farm in Utah.
1684
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,700
David worked with Cesar Chavez.
1685
01:30:09,783 --> 01:30:12,783
Do you know that he works
ten hours a day,
1686
01:30:12,867 --> 01:30:13,950
for eight cents an hour?
1687
01:30:14,033 --> 01:30:16,950
Are you looking forward
to doing something like that?
1688
01:30:17,033 --> 01:30:19,367
Wouldn't you like to work
for Cesar Chavez?
1689
01:30:19,450 --> 01:30:20,283
Sure.
1690
01:30:20,367 --> 01:30:21,742
Not for eight cents an hour.
1691
01:30:21,825 --> 01:30:23,533
Not for eight cents an hour.
1692
01:30:23,617 --> 01:30:26,283
Imagine trying to raise
your family on that.
1693
01:30:26,367 --> 01:30:28,783
Although I think
they were equal partners,
1694
01:30:28,867 --> 01:30:33,492
my mother took a step behind,
and she was supporting Daddy.
1695
01:30:33,575 --> 01:30:37,742
And after we lost him,
I think she felt the need
1696
01:30:37,825 --> 01:30:40,033
to become more of a leader.
1697
01:30:45,617 --> 01:30:48,075
She continues,
in a wonderful way,
1698
01:30:48,158 --> 01:30:50,783
to help carry on
a lot of Daddy's causes.
1699
01:30:50,867 --> 01:30:54,033
You know, she'll go walk
with Cesar Chavez.
1700
01:30:55,908 --> 01:30:58,325
Cesar has broken his fast
1701
01:30:58,408 --> 01:31:00,492
from the hand of Ethel Kennedy.
1702
01:31:02,700 --> 01:31:07,533
She became a force of nature
in her own right
1703
01:31:07,617 --> 01:31:10,367
and was questioning authority,
1704
01:31:10,450 --> 01:31:14,700
and calling congressmen
and governors and senators
1705
01:31:14,783 --> 01:31:18,742
to say, "Why aren't things being
made better?"
1706
01:31:20,533 --> 01:31:22,492
She put so much energy
1707
01:31:22,575 --> 01:31:26,533
into the Bedford-Stuyvesant
restoration program.
1708
01:31:27,617 --> 01:31:30,158
She started
the Robert F. Kennedy Center
1709
01:31:30,242 --> 01:31:31,742
for Justice and Human Rights
1710
01:31:31,825 --> 01:31:34,033
to carry forward
his unfinished work.
1711
01:31:35,242 --> 01:31:36,867
The Robert F. Kennedy Center,
1712
01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:39,908
which my mother founded
in 1968,
1713
01:31:39,992 --> 01:31:42,408
helps support journalists,
writers,
1714
01:31:42,492 --> 01:31:46,533
and human rights activists
who carry on my father's work.
1715
01:31:46,617 --> 01:31:48,033
Over the last 20 years,
1716
01:31:48,117 --> 01:31:50,533
she's gone
on human rights delegations
1717
01:31:50,617 --> 01:31:53,408
to Namibia, Albania,
Czechoslovakia,
1718
01:31:53,492 --> 01:31:55,783
Haiti, Hungary, Kenya, Mexico,
1719
01:31:55,867 --> 01:31:58,367
Northern Ireland, Poland,
South Africa...
1720
01:31:58,450 --> 01:32:01,408
Seeing our mother walk
in his absence,
1721
01:32:01,492 --> 01:32:05,783
along that same path,
really impacted all of us.
1722
01:32:05,867 --> 01:32:10,242
That gave us not the obligation,
but the gift
1723
01:32:10,325 --> 01:32:13,033
of a contributory life.
1724
01:32:13,117 --> 01:32:16,367
So many kids in our family,
so many people in our family,
1725
01:32:16,450 --> 01:32:19,075
are involved
in social justice work,
1726
01:32:19,158 --> 01:32:22,908
and it's always attributed
to my father, and... which...
1727
01:32:22,992 --> 01:32:24,200
He deserves that.
1728
01:32:24,283 --> 01:32:28,200
But the truth is, he died
when we were very, very young,
1729
01:32:28,283 --> 01:32:30,783
so that really comes
from my mother.
1730
01:32:30,867 --> 01:32:32,992
And those are her values,
1731
01:32:33,075 --> 01:32:37,658
and those are the aspects
of Daddy that she chose
1732
01:32:37,742 --> 01:32:41,158
to have us remember
and think about.
1733
01:32:44,742 --> 01:32:46,492
Everybody's done very well
1734
01:32:46,575 --> 01:32:48,867
in their chosen fields.
1735
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:52,492
Uh, I mean, it really is
a great tribute to Daddy
1736
01:32:52,575 --> 01:32:55,533
that you've all done
so many wonderful things.
1737
01:32:55,617 --> 01:32:57,158
Well, how about to you?
1738
01:33:00,700 --> 01:33:02,617
No,
I think it was the other gene.
1739
01:33:02,700 --> 01:33:04,450
You raised us, Mommy.
1740
01:33:09,283 --> 01:33:11,617
I just don't feel
I can take the credit.
1741
01:33:11,700 --> 01:33:13,867
I just don't feel it.
1742
01:33:17,992 --> 01:33:19,908
When my father was alive,
1743
01:33:19,992 --> 01:33:22,367
my mother was always there
for him.
1744
01:33:22,450 --> 01:33:24,200
Her love lifted him up.
1745
01:33:25,325 --> 01:33:28,658
And after, when my mother
was left to raise us
1746
01:33:28,742 --> 01:33:30,867
and to carry on his fight,
1747
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:32,783
he was there for her too,
1748
01:33:32,867 --> 01:33:35,075
his love still lifting her up.
1749
01:33:48,658 --> 01:33:51,367
I remember
at a very young age,
1750
01:33:51,450 --> 01:33:53,533
we would pray together
every night,
1751
01:33:53,617 --> 01:33:56,158
and we would have
about 25 people
1752
01:33:56,242 --> 01:33:59,200
who had all died,
who we would pray for.
1753
01:34:00,075 --> 01:34:01,700
You've had a lot of loss.
1754
01:34:02,825 --> 01:34:04,242
I have, but, uh...
1755
01:34:05,325 --> 01:34:09,367
as I've often said,
nobody gets a free ride.
1756
01:34:11,075 --> 01:34:14,117
Everybody faces...
1757
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,867
friends who have died
or family who have died or...
1758
01:34:17,950 --> 01:34:19,825
who are really sick.
1759
01:34:21,075 --> 01:34:24,658
So, you know, have your wits
about you, and...
1760
01:34:25,575 --> 01:34:27,658
dig in and do what you can...
1761
01:34:28,533 --> 01:34:31,117
because it... it might not last.
1762
01:36:05,408 --> 01:36:07,992
Let's take one
big picture together.
1763
01:36:09,575 --> 01:36:11,283
I think one
of Mommy's great legacies
1764
01:36:11,367 --> 01:36:12,658
is her children.
1765
01:36:12,742 --> 01:36:15,408
And there's another generation
coming up behind them.
1766
01:36:15,492 --> 01:36:17,867
How many grandchildren
does Mommy have?
1767
01:36:17,950 --> 01:36:20,117
Mommy has 33 grandchildren.
1768
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:21,825
She wants more.
1769
01:36:21,908 --> 01:36:24,783
Never enough,
as far as she's concerned.
1770
01:36:34,908 --> 01:36:36,867
Okay. We're coming about.
1771
01:37:20,837 --> 01:37:25,837
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