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Good evening, everybody.
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I'm Regina Roy.
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I'm the Les Bartos Chief Curator of Film
here at MoMA.
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It's such a great pleasure to welcome
you here tonight for this incredible
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anniversary, the 20th anniversary of
Requiem for a Dream.
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If you haven't had a chance to watch the
film recently, or just before tonight's
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conversation, Requiem for a Dream
Director's Cut 4K will be available
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October 13th on 4K Ultra HD and digital.
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and it is streaming now.
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Before we get started, I'd like to
recognize the donors who make film at
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MoMA possible, especially Deborah and
Leon Black for their exceptional
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commitment in creating the Black Family
Film Center here at MoMA.
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As well as our annual film fund donors,
many of whom I hope are watching
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tonight. Also, as always, a big thanks
to Chanel, our lead sponsor of film here
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at MoMA.
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They've been so generous and adventurous
in following us from our work on 53rd
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Street now into the virtual realm.
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Thank you to everybody at Chanel.
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Of course, a warm welcome to all of our
MoMA members tuning in. If you're not
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already a member, consider becoming one
at MoMA.org slash join for special
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events like this one.
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and priority access to MoMA all year
round, which you can have access to the
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actual museum now, as Darren can attest,
and we'll talk about that in a little
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bit.
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All of you watching can use the Q&A
function at the bottom of your screen to
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submit questions, which our producers
will get to me and we'll bring them to
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the group for discussion later on.
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But now, I'd especially like to thank
this incredible panel of creatives who
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have joined us tonight.
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Please welcome director Darren
Aronofsky, actors Ellen Burstyn,
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Jared Leto, Jennifer Connelly, and
Marlon Wayans. Thank you all for being
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here tonight.
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How you doing?
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Hanging in there, you know. Hanging in
there.
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Darren, I need to see the bottom half of
your face. I saw the top half at MoMA
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last week, was it, when you came to the
galleries?
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Yeah, yeah.
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It was amazing to be back at MoMA. And I
kind of like what you guys are doing
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with the, I mean, it's amazing because
your general experience at the MoMA is
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often very crowded.
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And to have that much space to see the
art was a real gift.
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So it's great for anyone who hasn't gone
back. It's great to go back to the
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museums.
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Well, thank you for coming. Thank you
for being masked when you were here. It
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is a special time to be at the museum,
especially after we were closed so long.
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But unfortunately, we can't show movies
at MoMA yet.
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Theaters are still closed. So I wish we
could all be on stage together here. But
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it is a thrill to have you in this space
talking about your incredible
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accomplishment.
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I mean, for me, going back, you know,
unlike some folks who, you know, there's
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one gentleman who wrote in that Requiem
for a Dream is their favorite movie they
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can't ever watch again.
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That's not the case for me. It's more
that, you know, when I watched it again
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recently, you know, when I first
thought, I felt like I was so grown up
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when I thought, right? It was the year
2000.
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You know, I was 28 years old.
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And, you know, a lot of us, not all of
us, but we're also in that kind of still
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not quite a full grown up, but not a kid
anymore zone.
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Obviously, Ms. Burton, you were more of
an adult. You've always been probably
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more an adult than most of us.
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But it was an inflection point, I think,
for a lot of us.
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And, you know, this film really changed
the course for all of you in a way, the
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way I kind of like went back and looked
at the history.
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But one thing I'd kind of like to start
with is that this film, in a way, feels
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like an unbettered culmination of...
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what happens when you have, you know, an
opioid addiction epidemic, when you
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have mass media mania, when you have,
you know, a racist incarceration
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system, all of the things that we are
living right now.
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And I'm wondering if each of you could
just speak a little bit to the frame of
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mind you had, if you can remember, 20
years ago, addressing this story that
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Darren and Hugh Selby wrote together.
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or the screenplay and and your thoughts
now uh about living in the society we do
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that unfortunately is probably less
hopeful than maybe we thought it might
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be 20 years ago but darren i'll let you
lead off on that wow it's a big one um
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and definitely a really interesting
question i did i did have
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a thought i was thinking about the scene
with jared and marlon um in the jail
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And, you know, the N word is muttered
and there's a racial
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intensity throughout those, those scenes
that, you know, were
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hardcore when I read them in the novel.
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And then they were super hard doing on
set. And then, and then just thinking
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about them now, they're just incredibly
hurtful and painful.
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I just, I think,
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what cubby always did with his writing
cubby is nicknamed for hubert sub jr um
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that i was lucky enough to be able to
call him um but um the
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the kind of honesty and and open wound
pain that
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he writes with was always what kind of
um inspired me
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um just finding the incredible poetry in
his words describing
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people being the worst versions of
themselves and how
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good people can slide into that reality.
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It just always moved me.
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And so, I don't know, I think it's
shocking at times, but
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the humanity...
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of the film is from cubby's original
kind of inspiration i think everything
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he ever put into the world was all about
about that um and uh unfortunately it's
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it's sad that um the world hasn't
changed that much i guess i mean it's
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changed in many many ways but in other
ways it stayed exactly the same um
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miss burston maybe i'll i'll direct this
to you as well and i'm just wondering if
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you recall having a, you know, obviously
there's so much heartbreak in the film,
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but there's also the potential, I think,
for optimism.
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Do you remember any, you know, kind of
whether you had optimism about anything
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related to these characters or the
trajectory that we might take based on
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their experiences afterwards?
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You know, it seemed to me that Sarah was
driven
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To be her best self.
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And she had a huge idea of what that
might be.
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That she was very ambitious and very
dedicated to
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recapturing something that she felt got
away.
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Yeah. And if only she could be thin
enough to fit in that red
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dress.
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she could get it back and be on
television.
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What that represented to her and what it
represents to so many people
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of being famous or being seen, really,
just being seen.
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And so it seems to me there's a yearning
in people to...
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to unflower, the word that's coming to
mind, that they feel something in
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themselves that could have been and wish
it were, and maybe it still can
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be, and they don't have a real clear
idea of just what that is. And so they
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reach for something that they think will
be satisfying or enlightening
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or something.
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But it's a false image.
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And there's the tragedy that they don't
ever actually connect with their deepest
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self.
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Yeah, I love that, you know, just
thematically. Everybody in the film, we
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all had, every character had something
they was dreaming for, something that
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they were reaching for, their own way
out. And it's funny how the things of
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your past, it's the reasons why people
do drugs.
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that hold you back and what i love about
recrim as much as it was about like um
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you know the greatest psa for don't do
drugs ever oh my god everybody i
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know that every coffee shop i go into
man i quit crack when i got it when i
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seen it's because everybody
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had something they was dreaming for, but
everybody had something that was, you
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know, this pain, this deep-seated pain
in their life that led them to the drug
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that led them to the demise.
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And I just thought it was a beautiful
roller coaster to basically,
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like, hell. And it was the greatest
ride, the greatest high, and then it
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just, like, crashed.
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And the audience, I think, is blessed
with the...
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left over with the thing of, you know,
with the real gift.
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Sorry, my dad called me.
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No, I mean, look, I mean, in all
seriousness, you know, movies do save
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lives. I mean, let's, you know, art does
save lives in some cases. And so I
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actually believe that some people may
have come out of this, you know,
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chastened about, you know, endeavoring
to try any of this.
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Jared and Jennifer, I was wondering, you
know, in this vein, you know, I imagine
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finding that trust between each other as
actors would have been so critical.
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Obviously, you had to trust in your
director.
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But I'm wondering if you could just riff
with each other a little bit, if you
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remember, about setting up that
relationship and setting up the
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boundaries of trust that must have been
intense.
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What would you say, Jennifer? Do you
want to riff a little bit?
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I just got to say like seeing
everybody's face, it's very emotional
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for me. I feel like I feel so lucky to
have had
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this opportunity.
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I remember begging Darren for the job.
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I remember being just floored that I got
to work with Ellen.
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Jennifer and Marlon. I just feel so
connected to you guys, even though we're
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not, you know, texting every day.
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And I haven't seen so many of you in so
long, but I just feel this like really
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deep personal satisfaction and pride and
gratitude that I,
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I mean, God, I remember this movie so
clearly. I think every single day, I
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remember walking the streets with Marlon
at night.
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I remember all the research and.
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The rehearsals that we all did in that
little room with Taryn and all the crazy
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stuff that we talked about and the time
that I spent with Jennifer, it was just
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so sacred. All of it to me was just so
sacred and so beautiful.
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I could talk about it for a very long
time, but just have an enormous sense of
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gratitude to see your faces and to have
been a part of this film.
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And I just want to thank you guys for
that.
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I had a similar experience to Jared.
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I really fought to get that part.
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I don't know. Darren, how many times did
I audition? I auditioned a bunch of
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times. It was a few times.
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My memory of it, and Jared, you were
there. Maybe you auditioned once for me
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alone, but what I remember is being
like, oh, Jennifer, yeah, I like her
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work. I haven't seen her. I got it, you
know, and she came in, and Jared was
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there, and you came in, and you
destroyed the room.
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You threw a chair over.
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Yeah, she, like, kicked the chair across
the room. She kicked the chair, right?
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And she walked out, and me and Jared
looked at each other, and it was like
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done. Done. We saw each other. We were
like, all right, she got the part.
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So I don't remember torturing you at
all, but please. Jennifer, don't feel
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bad. I auditioned six times. That's
true. I didn't believe in you, Marlon.
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Bro, you didn't believe at all.
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I was like, wow, really, Derek?
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Six times.
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I had my own hit TV show on the air. I
was like six times.
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I remember I slept the night before in
my heroin clothes.
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I was talking like this dude all week. I
went and auditioned one time. He was
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like, ah, it's good.
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I auditioned six times. Six times. I
damn near paid him to do the movie.
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I think the last day I bought everybody
lobster. I think that was everything I
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made on the movie. I donated it back as
a wrap gift to the cast.
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I mean, to the whole crew. I bought
lobster.
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Sorry, I interrupted you, Jennifer.
Please.
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Point being that to be there. I mean, I
think that all of us felt that
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way. I was so felt.
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It felt really important to me to be
there. I wanted it so badly. I
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wanted to be part of that story so
badly.
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And so I was kind of...
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All in, I think I threw all of myself at
it. So in terms of connecting with
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everyone, any opportunity that we had, I
was so grateful to be there in every
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moment and to completely surrender to
the experience and be as
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available as possible as I could be to
everyone in all moments because it just
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felt like something special was going to
happen.
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So, obviously,
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the film has been lauded all across the
boards. I mean, Ms. Person, we'll get
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into that. It would probably be easier
to name the awards you were not
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nominated for in relation to this film
because you were very justly rewarded
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for your work there. But one thing that
does jump out at most people is the
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incredible work that you all did with
Matty Levitique, the cinematographer.
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And it felt...
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You know, as a viewer, it feels very
participatory. Like, I mean, at certain
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points, I think even you all were
probably strapped on head cameras. I
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mean, I want to know how that all went
down. And, you know, in watching the
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kitchen table scene, I'm not sure how
it's actually described in the script,
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but that intense close-up that you have.
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um jared is your is your scene partner
but um really that intense partner you
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know uh close-up uh monologue almost
that you have i'm wondering if each of
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you could just give a a set experience
of working with maddie or working with
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specifically with the camera work uh to
talk to us how that was for you because
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i can imagine it was in some ways very
new well of course the the camera was
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strapped on me one time for where I was
walking and I was the
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dolly carrying the camera. That's the
only time in my 60-some
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-odd-year career that I've ever been the
dolly.
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Low-budget film.
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And then there was that, what do you
call it, Darren, the fast shot?
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The time lapse, the time lapse shot of
you cleaning the apartment.
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Yeah.
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And I really did clean the apartment.
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I really did all of that.
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And it moved, the camera moved fast with
special settings. So
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it's a remarkable piece of filmdom. And
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experienced anything like it before or
after because I moved as fast as I
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could, which was pretty fast.
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then the camera made it seem even more
so.
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So it was, we were very aware of our
interplay with Maddie
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and how much the actors and the camera
and the special
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effects and the lighting and it was all
part of it. You know, the
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refrigerator moving and the...
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you know, when the world fell apart, it
was terrifying somehow.
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It was very real on the set.
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And it felt like teamwork.
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All the various departments were
involved and engaged and
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giving their all.
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And it had a high intensity degree of
creativity at its most
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fertile and vital and tough.
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and hard and exciting and terrifying.
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It was quite an experience.
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It sounds like it. Darren, can you just
talk to us a little bit about how you
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and Maddie would choreograph this, talk
to the actors, talk to the crew about
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how this was all going to go down?
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Well, there was, it's just a lot of
conversations.
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It starts with just talking about the
project in front of you and talking
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about the themes that make up the story.
And then moment by moment, recognizing
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where the camera is supposed to be. But
there was a general approach of starting
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off wider and brighter and sunnier and
warmer and moving through the seasons of
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how the book was structured to a much
darker, colder, muted, tighter.
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At one point, I wanted to do the whole
third act, Winter, in just extreme close
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-ups. But Maddie was smart in saying
maybe that's a little too much. Get a
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little more coverage, which was very
wise advice.
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But, you know, filmmaking is like how
Ellen explains.
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That's what I'm always trying to do is
create a set where everyone is
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contributing their specialty, their
artistry.
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uh to uh one type of you know score or
movement together
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uh and when you have everyone fighting
to be the top of their game or or
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give something from the top of the game
it's just it's a it's a great place to
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be inspiring and i feel sitting here in
my basement i feel very very jealous
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of the of that moment right now yeah um
Jennifer, I'll send it
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to you, but obviously anyone can answer.
I mean, this was shot in an era before,
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you know, onset intimacy awareness was,
you know, top of mind in the way that it
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is now. And I'm just wondering if you
can recall how, you know, that safety
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was constructed for you in particular.
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Yeah, there have been pretty intense.
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scenes one in particular um yeah I
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don't know I think I was in a bit of a
um it was different it was
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different than for sure um I was so
focused on what she was going through
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honestly I felt like I was kind of just
in my own world and I think that
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the um
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The people around her, it was all kind
of a blur at that time, you know, in
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that scene.
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And I think I honestly was, it was a bit
like that for me too,
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to be frank. I mean, it was definitely
intense, but
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I felt like it was really important for
the film and appropriate for the film.
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And, you know, I really trusted.
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Darren and do trust Darren and had so
much respect for him and what he was
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doing. So I kind of just did my thing
and trusted Darren to do his.
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Isn't the point that safety wasn't an
issue?
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I mean, that's not what you were
thinking of at the time. You were
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throwing yourself into a role fully and
in every way.
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This film had a level of abandonment and
commitment that
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it just wasn't... I mean, you think of
safety, you don't want to
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be hurt.
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But it doesn't seem to me that you could
do what you did, Jennifer, if that was
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what you were concerned with. Am I
wrong?
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It wasn't what I was thinking about, for
sure. I mean, I was just thinking about,
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you know, who she was and where she was
and completely surrendering myself to
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that experience and that scene and kind
of, like I said,
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trusting Maddie and trusting Darren and
how everything would come together
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because I kind of just, once we decided,
talked about what it was going to be and
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everything was agreed on, I just kind
of,
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Yeah, I just gave my all to it, you
know.
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So following on that, maybe to Jared
first and then to Marlon as well. I'm
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wondering if there were some on set
experiences that you have kind of
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embraced or absorbed and taken and then
used later on in the subsequent 20 years
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since this film has been made. Any
practical, anything practical that you
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gained from this experience?
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I mean, I guess the cliche that hard
work pays off.
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This movie was all about commitment. And
it started with Darren.
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And like I think all of us have
mentioned so far, you just felt like
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there was an opportunity here that
something special might be happening.
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And I, like everyone else, was so
excited to be a part of this group, to
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be a part of the...
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you know, the source material, Cubby,
Darren, Darren's previous work spoke so
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loudly and was so groundbreaking, Pi,
that I think everyone thought, okay,
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this is a really rare chance to see what
you're made of, to go to a place you
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hadn't gone to before, to learn a lot.
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And so we all, we just all had that
sense that
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we were part of, something unique and uh
and and I still do
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I still just I still feel that way what
do you think uh uh Darren I do remember
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with Ellen the first scene that I had
which was that scene you spoke about in
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her house I was so amped up and I was so
raring to go that I lost my voice and I
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had to come back like the worst thing
that could happen happened I couldn't
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even speak
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But she was so good.
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It's like playing tennis with, you know,
McEnroe or whoever. She was so good. I
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recognized immediately in the scene, I
was like, oh, she's not going to let me
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fail.
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And it was just like this enormous gift.
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And I felt dedication and commitment.
And I saw Ma.
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I saw her there.
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And Darren is just the best.
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He's an actor's dream because he's a nut
and he'll go the distance with you. He
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never says no to any of the
conversation. He's always open. He likes
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the debate and the discussion. He likes
to push and to prod and to get to
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something great.
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And I think I have that feeling like,
you know, between Ellen and Jennifer,
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Marlon and Darren and Maddie.
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that they, no one was going to let me
fail. So I felt a little more, you know,
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empowered to, to, to be, to take the
risk.
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Darren challenges you. As soon as you
walk on the set, you're challenged.
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I came out a month early. I believe we
started filming. I came out a month
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early and this man made me take off my
shirt and said, where are we going? So
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we're going for a walk. It was February.
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And I walked through our streets in New
York with my shirt off.
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And I said, what are we doing? What kind
of mind trick is this?
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And he goes, I just want you to remember
what it feels like to be cold in
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February. I mean, now, because we're
going to be filming the winter and the
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summer. And I want you to remember how
this feels.
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And I was like, dude, I grew up here. I
know exactly how it feels.
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I didn't have a jacket. We were poor. I
don't need this. But that's just, I
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remember he would tell me things like,
you know, he asked me, there's another
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mantra. Give me five things you love. I
was like, I love sugar.
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No, three things. I love sugar.
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I love sex.
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And I love like, I think I'm in liquor.
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He goes, great.
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Here's what you can't have for the next.
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He called it a month of wrath.
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And he said, I couldn't have those three
things.
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And I swear, and I did it. And I was
talking to him and I was younger at the
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time. And he goes, every day he would
check on me. How you feeling? I feel
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like crazy.
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Like, I feel like I want.
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I want some sugar.
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I want a glass of wine. He was like, now
you know how junkies feel.
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And I was like, word.
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But that little mind thing, these little
mind tricks that he played you, just,
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you know, I think he had such a
challenge because every one of these
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actors that were on board to give their
all, we all gave ourselves.
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I gave myself. Whatever you wanted, I
was there. If you want whatever you
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need, I'm there.
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And I think all of us had that same
level of commitment. But we also knew
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that he had our back. When I had a sex
scene, of course, when it was only 20
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seconds long, we did a 45-minute take.
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But you know what? It was a closed set.
It was Darren, script supervisor, and
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like one or two other people. He kept it
nice and closed. And he always made us
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feel safe and protected.
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And kudos to him for that.
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Thank you.
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It's interesting.
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It's like it's all pointing in the same
direction, which is like at
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a certain point we had problems with the
MPAA with rating. In fact, the film was
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released not rated because they wanted
to give us an NC-17.
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And the pressure, you know.
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came from where they were like, well, if
you want to be rated R, you got to trim
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this, you got to trim that, you got to
trim this. And it was almost a bit from
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each of the characters seen from the
torture of Sarah to the torture of
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all the characters.
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And I remember, you know, the studio
coming to me going, look, we can end up,
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we can get released in these theaters
and we can make this much more money if
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we go with the rated R version.
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I felt it undermined the whole point of
the project.
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Because the film is about how far
addiction will push you to do
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the most inhumane things to the people
you love and to yourself.
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And if we retreated from that in any
way, it would undermine the exact reason
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for the existence of the piece.
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I think all of us understood that we had
to take the audience all the way there.
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Otherwise, there was no reason to do the
project.
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You've just pointed out that, you know,
the film is always thought of as such
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heavy, and we are drawn to, I think, you
know, these really intense stories of
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human suffering. You know, for whatever
reason, these are stories that are
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compelling and do move us and, you know,
have given us some of the most
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transcendent works on cinema and on
stage.
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But what I was also shocked to not
recall at all was that there's a good
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amount of humor in this film.
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I'm not exactly sure that it's funny,
but I found myself laughing. And, Ms.
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Bernson, I mean, specifically you and
your battles with your kitchen and with
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food. And, again, this is not, you know,
it's not funny, but I was laughing,
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right? You have a dark sense of humor.
I'm just kidding.
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That's it.
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No, I know.
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But, like, the donuts from space and,
you know, the alive.
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refrigerator. Miss Burton, maybe you
could just lead off, like, was that
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something you were conscious of, that
this might, you know, elicit laughter,
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or, you know, or was it, yeah, what was
that, what was that like?
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Are you asking me?
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Yeah.
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Well, it is funny, because it's so
absurd.
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It's horrifying at the same time. I
think it's a combination.
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And I find sometimes I laugh at the most
horrifying things because it's
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like, oh, my God, look where we're
going.
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And you laugh when you're so tense you
can hardly stand
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it. And you laugh. And I think that the
intention was never to be funny.
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But the intention of going as far as you
can go.
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sometimes produces laughter.
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So I'm glad I gave you a couple of
laughs.
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It's like your sense of humor is so
dark.
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He's got electric shock treatment.
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Now you're talking about the end,
Marlon, but he's talking more like
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earlier in the film is kind of bonkers.
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Bonkers is the right word.
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What was the set like?
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I mean, I, you know, knowing Darren
Aronofsky, it was probably a laugh a
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minute, but maybe with Marlon's set, any
fun set story, on set stories for
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the audience?
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People often ask, like, how painful is
the experience of making your films?
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And I don't find them painful at all.
And I don't think people do. I think
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moment by moment between action and cut,
There's a tremendous amount of
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concentration and often at times the
actors are going through some serious
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emotional channeling that has an
intensity.
440
00:32:38,180 --> 00:32:43,500
But what I like about all of these
actors is like when you call cut, we go
441
00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:45,820
back to them being themselves.
442
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,300
I think Jared was probably the most
method like.
443
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,820
he would walk away and take that emotion
with him and try to hold it and store it
444
00:32:54,820 --> 00:32:56,560
and nurture it was my take.
445
00:32:56,940 --> 00:33:02,240
And, you know, we would leave Jared to
do his thing, but Marlon very much,
446
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,080
Marlon the second you called him.
447
00:33:06,460 --> 00:33:10,920
Ellen, when she's going deep into
emotions, like I can remember when she
448
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,920
was like channeling some heavy duty
stuff.
449
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:19,700
She would do similar to Jared. She would
go off. She would always be there. So
450
00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:23,500
like I could just go at Ellen and she'd
look at me and I'd give her a note and I
451
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:28,480
could see Ellen underneath the character
taking the note and turning it into the
452
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,820
energy that she was still kind of
keeping until the next time we would
453
00:33:31,820 --> 00:33:32,820
call action.
454
00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:39,120
And Jennifer is like a complete, I mean,
it's strange to call her a veteran, but
455
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,400
she is a complete, has always been an
inspiration, her ability.
456
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,460
One story I tell, which has nothing,
just because I want to say something
457
00:33:47,460 --> 00:33:52,980
really nice about Jennifer, is that we
didn't work together for like 15 years
458
00:33:52,980 --> 00:33:55,820
or some ridiculous amount. And then we
got to work together on Noah.
459
00:33:56,340 --> 00:34:02,000
And it was like, I watched a really
great uber talented actor become a
460
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,260
master. Like I worked with her when she
was super talented. And then by the time
461
00:34:06,260 --> 00:34:09,159
she got to me on Noah, it was a master
class.
462
00:34:09,820 --> 00:34:11,560
So I was like, wow, this is a craft.
463
00:34:12,170 --> 00:34:17,710
There is a, you know, this craft can be
developed and turned and grown.
464
00:34:18,610 --> 00:34:20,850
Anyway, that's my nice story about Jen.
465
00:34:21,770 --> 00:34:25,210
Jennifer, do you want to retaliate with
a nice story or otherwise? Oh, no,
466
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:28,730
please don't. I'm sure you got some.
467
00:34:29,949 --> 00:34:35,670
Well, you know, I would just say it's,
you
468
00:34:35,670 --> 00:34:41,150
know, in terms of the atmosphere on the
set, I felt like.
469
00:34:41,670 --> 00:34:44,290
It was such a privilege to be there.
470
00:34:45,330 --> 00:34:51,389
Even when it's like the subject matter
is difficult and these
471
00:34:51,389 --> 00:34:58,170
characters are being tortured, it's
being given that opportunity
472
00:34:58,170 --> 00:35:00,430
to really delve into something.
473
00:35:01,310 --> 00:35:02,930
Such an extraordinary gift.
474
00:35:03,810 --> 00:35:08,870
So I think all of us, I know I felt so
grateful in every moment to be there.
475
00:35:09,810 --> 00:35:15,450
And I think Darren's just a genius, you
know.
476
00:35:15,730 --> 00:35:22,270
And I was so excited to work with him
the first time. I was so overjoyed that
477
00:35:22,270 --> 00:35:26,130
he wanted to work with me again and
would do it any time. I think he's an
478
00:35:26,130 --> 00:35:29,050
extraordinary filmmaker, which is why
we're all here.
479
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,660
Well, just on the Noah front, I can
share with you both that my niece, who
480
00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:39,980
is in her junior year of college on the
West Coast, thankfully, still in school,
481
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:43,000
had to write a paper about Noah.
482
00:35:44,580 --> 00:35:49,020
So she called up her uncle who had a
thought or two. But just so you know,
483
00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:52,140
you are being studied. Your
collaboration is currently being
484
00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:53,540
studied. Nice. Beautiful.
485
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:03,100
You know, Ms. Bernson, you know, you
were nominated for Best Actress for
486
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:05,200
this performance.
487
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:13,040
And, you know, you went through a whole
cycle of, you know, the awards and
488
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,860
talking about this film and sharing with
folks.
489
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:21,440
I'm just wondering any recollections of
that period, you know, for, like I
490
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,240
mentioned at the outset, this was an
inflection point. I think a lot of us...
491
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,680
got to know Jared through this film and
certainly got to know Marlon as a
492
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,680
dramatic actor.
493
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:36,700
And, you know, had our fandom of
Jennifer affirmed through this film,
494
00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:40,760
those of us who had been following for a
long time. But this really, for many of
495
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,040
us, was a chance to celebrate you in
this, you know, new generation moment.
496
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:52,420
Just wondering what that felt like to
kind of go through that whole rigmarole
497
00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:58,560
of... acclaim after, you know, you had
been through that before, obviously.
498
00:36:59,060 --> 00:37:05,500
Yeah, I want to tell you a story that's
not exactly about awards,
499
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:11,920
but I noticed after a few years went by
after this film,
500
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:18,940
say like 10 years, that I was known to
young people for that
501
00:37:18,940 --> 00:37:19,940
film.
502
00:37:20,250 --> 00:37:24,610
People who hadn't seen Alice Doesn't
Live Here Anymore or The Last Picture
503
00:37:24,610 --> 00:37:26,690
Show or even The Exorcist.
504
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:30,090
But they knew me from that film.
505
00:37:30,350 --> 00:37:35,550
And I became aware of that. And I did a
play in London.
506
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:38,970
And I lived near that big Ferris wheel.
507
00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:44,700
Yeah. I don't know if you call it a
Ferris wheel in London. And I wanted to
508
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:49,860
take some pictures from it. And I never
got to until the last day that I was in
509
00:37:49,860 --> 00:37:56,860
London. And I got over to the wheel to
take pictures. And they wouldn't let me
510
00:37:56,860 --> 00:38:03,820
on because somebody had rented the wheel
for a private thing.
511
00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:05,800
And they wouldn't sell me a ticket.
512
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,720
And so I went.
513
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:15,840
I went up to the people who were taking
tickets and I said, they won't sell me a
514
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,700
ticket to get on, but I'm leaving London
and I really would like to get on to
515
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:23,540
take some pictures. Is there any way I
can get on? And she said, no.
516
00:38:23,820 --> 00:38:27,480
And kind of rudely and had nothing to do
with me.
517
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,480
And I thought for a moment, I thought,
how can I do this?
518
00:38:31,820 --> 00:38:36,120
I said, did you ever see a movie called
Requiem for a Dream?
519
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,499
Love it.
520
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:38,720
And she said, yeah.
521
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,640
And I said, well, that was me in it. She
said, you're kidding.
522
00:38:43,540 --> 00:38:44,540
Oh, wow.
523
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,260
Yeah, you can get on, go on.
524
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:49,740
That is incredible.
525
00:38:50,020 --> 00:38:52,900
Well, Marlon, that's the only way Marlon
gets tickets to anything.
526
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:54,300
Exactly.
527
00:38:54,860 --> 00:38:57,780
The only way I got in the Academy was
because of her film.
528
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,700
Well, I will share that, Ms. Bernstein,
you're about to have a whole new
529
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:07,580
generation appreciate your work for a
whole new film. I will say that I have
530
00:39:07,580 --> 00:39:11,920
seen... probably the most remarkable
performance of the year that you gave in
531
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,200
pieces of a woman, a new film that
launched in Venice.
532
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:21,320
And I was just destroyed by what you
did. Once again, you, you, you have kind
533
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,820
of elevated what I can come to expect
from a screen performance. So everybody
534
00:39:24,820 --> 00:39:26,480
should get ready and check that out.
535
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,980
Hopefully coming soon to a theater. I've
seen it. It's great.
536
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:31,300
Yeah.
537
00:39:32,110 --> 00:39:34,130
Yeah, I did. I forgot to tell you. I'll
tell you later.
538
00:39:35,070 --> 00:39:41,610
Isn't Vanessa being divine in it? She
deserves every accolade, which she will
539
00:39:41,610 --> 00:39:46,250
surely get, but she could not have done
what she did without you there as her
540
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:52,030
partner, and you elevated that film in
many ways. So thank you for that. I know
541
00:39:52,030 --> 00:39:57,530
we have a hard out with our guests this
evening now, but I do want to thank all
542
00:39:57,530 --> 00:39:58,530
of you for...
543
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:04,320
joining us for sharing these stories and
for sharing this movie with the world. I
544
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,580
mean, it's as poignant and relevant,
probably in new and even more powerful
545
00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:11,500
ways today than it was 20 years ago. So
thank you, everybody.
546
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,080
And I hope to see you at MoMA soon.
Thank you, everybody.
547
00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:16,480
Thank you, guys. Bye, guys.
548
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:17,720
Bye. Thank you.
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