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Okay, we're all set.
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We're rolling.
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Rock and roll.
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The nature of the inquiry was far beyond
anything else any of us had worked on
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before, far beyond a normal homicide
inquiry.
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And the government said, of the day,
said, whatever you need, just ask the
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question. And I think I might have
related to you about the photocopier fax
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machine. Did I tell you that story?
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One day, a fax photocopier machine
turned up, a brand new one.
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Now, in 1985, we didn't have any faxes
or photocopiers,
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and it was about as big as this table,
and it was wrapped with plastic, and we
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were like, wow, that is so awesome.
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Two of my police friends came up to me
and they said, we heard you guys have
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got a photocopier and fax machine. I
went, yeah.
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And they said, can we see it? And I
said, yeah, come on.
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And we walked around it and they were
looking at it and going, wow, that is so
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cool. And they went, how does it go?
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And I said, I don't know. None of us
knew how to work it.
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So it sat there for months. I don't know
if it ever got used. But we were very
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proud as an inquiry to actually own a
fax photocopier machine.
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The resources that were given to that
inquiry were spectacular.
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With that, there was a certain pressure.
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We were dealing with a serious crime.
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We had to catch who did it.
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In New Zealand tonight, police are
launching a major investigation into the
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explosions aboard the Rainbow Warrior.
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Consider this to be a scandal of the
nuclear age.
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This was no accident.
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Somebody, somewhere, decided they wanted
to blow up our boat.
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Things like this just don't happen in
New Zealand.
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When you're powerful, you don't have to
pay for your crimes.
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Murderers can't go unpunished.
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They've got to be exposed.
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We were one little South Pacific
country.
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We'd never had a crime like that. It was
just huge.
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The sinking of the Rainbow Warrior on
the Auckland waterfront has now touched
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off a police inquiry on a scale never
seen in this country before.
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I'd like to welcome you to Operation
Rainbow.
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The man put in charge of the inquiry was
Detective Superintendent Alan Galbraith,
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a Dallas Scotsman, very good leader.
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As soon as it became known that this had
been sabotaged, the investigation really
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got ramped up.
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The most important of my police career.
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Are you optimistic of bringing the
people who bombed the Rainbow Warrior to
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justice?
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Oh yes, we're very optimistic that we'll
be successful in the end.
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Why are you so optimistic?
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Well, giving it everything we've got.
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Operation Rainbow Headquarters, the
Rainbow Squad, is handling a wide range
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of inquiries.
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Very quickly, Alan put together a huge
team of detectives.
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One of them was Detective Inspector
Morris Whittam, a very clever guy.
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We had a lot of staff from out of town,
seconded to Auckland, just solely to
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boost our numbers.
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We were 140 officers at one stage.
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Terry Batchita was my detective
sergeant.
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He was a bit of a feared man in criminal
circles back in those days, tremendously
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strong. From the police department, can
you open the door, please?
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We realised at one point the eyes of the
world were upon little old New Zealand.
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I mean, some people hadn't even heard of
New Zealand.
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And that in itself was a motivation.
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And it was absolutely critical for
everyone to find out who did it.
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We were suddenly thrown into one of the
biggest police inquiries New Zealand has
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ever seen.
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The inevitable speculation on who could
be responsible has begun.
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The list of enemies Greenpeace has made
over the years is long.
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Your guess is sort of mine.
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Could be the Russians, could be the
Chinese, could be the French, could be
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the Americans, could be anyone.
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One possible clue arrived by post.
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A leaflet purporting to come from
veterans of Vietnam and Africa
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threatened a number of left-wing and
liberal groups with the words, we'll
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crude you all like the Rainbow Warrior.
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Overseas organisations, foreign
countries, they were all possible
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suspects.
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We even had a couple of unusual
characters who were in Auckland at the
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time.
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I remember one was an American and he
was particularly anti-Greenpeace. He was
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pro-nuclear and he had been seen in
Auckland.
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The bombing obviously required an
explosive device.
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Well, in New Zealand, we've got a lot of
rural activity and there's a lot of
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explosives used.
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A couple of sticks of gelignite might be
quite handy if I had to.
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move a little hill or change the
direction of a riverside.
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There's a lot of things being blown up
all around the place.
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What are your views at the moment as to
the validity, if you like, of the Better
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Dead Than Red document?
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Do you think there's any chance that the
people who sent that did in fact do it?
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I don't know.
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At this point, we didn't know why, who
or how.
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Have you got any leads which give you
any hope at all?
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Well, there's always hope.
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The area is still cordoned off to the
public, but from the other side of the
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pier one can clearly see the partly
sunken ship.
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Stunned Greenpeace members say the
vessel was priceless, but right now
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they're still mourning for their dead
colleague who went down with the vessel.
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It was the first thing that led the news
on the radio, on the television.
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There was, you know, a little space to
kind of let things process.
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But we had a... It wasn't a service, it
was just some
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time with Fernando in a coffin in a
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church in Auckland.
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Just us.
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It was all so unreal at that point.
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We had an hour.
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At the end of the hour, the priest or
whatever he was came in and said, gosh,
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you got to go. I got to make room for
the next group.
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And we had to physically pick up this
coffin and walk it out the door. And
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that's when the weight of the world sank
down on my shoulders and I think
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everybody else's.
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Because then it was,
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100% sure they were picking up the body
of a dead friend and presenting him on
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his last trip.
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And it was rough.
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He and I did watch together a couple of
times.
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Those kids were young.
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He talked about them quite a bit.
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Yeah, he was a...
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The dad who loved his kid.
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The evening after we carried Fernando
out of the church, we had a party and
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danced and people just burned off steam
and frustration and anger.
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I just remember being so completely
overwhelmed by the whole situation.
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Having lost a friend, having lost a
ship.
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It just made no sense at all.
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When we found that the New Zealand
public were very, very happy to try and
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help the police.
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Thank you.
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One moment, please.
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The next day, suddenly the members of
the public started ringing in, reporting
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sightings, and it really started to go
quite crazy.
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Yes, Hastings, would you hold the line
for Auckland, please?
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But then that afternoon, the late shift
inquiry sergeant came to see us.
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And just as a matter of passing, he
said, oh, did you hear about the thing
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that happened down the wharf last night
down near the waterfront?
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Some guys at the yacht club had been
having a number of thefts off boats in
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the middle of the night.
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So a few of them decided to stay
overnight at the yacht squadron
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headquarters and just keep an eye on
things and see if they could perhaps
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identify who was responsible for the
break-in.
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During the course of their observations
on the night of the bombing, they
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noticed a camper van that looked
extremely suspicious.
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The people in sight, they were assisting
somebody in pulling up a dinghy from
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the sea up into a sort of a raised
sloping bank before leaving.
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The Neighbourhood Watch then called the
police.
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Police went down there, found the Zodiac
tied to a tree, and they seized the
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Zodiac.
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But on the night, it didn't mean a great
deal to anybody, as it was before the
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actual bombing.
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But fortuitously, the Neighbourhood
Watch, they were able to get the
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registration number of that van.
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The camper van was registered to a
company called Newman's.
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They were contacted and they were able
to identify from the records that the
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vehicle had been rented by Swiss
Tourists.
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A married couple, Alain and Sophie
Tourange.
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This was the first really significant
lead.
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We were, from that point, on the lookout
for that vehicle.
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wanting to speak to this couple.
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In 1985, I was 21.
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I'd been working at Newman's Rentals for
about three or four months, and I was a
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meet-and-greet girl.
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So I met Alan and Sophie Terange.
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They'd already had their camper van for
a few days, and then they'd got a broken
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windscreen.
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And so they turned up at the depot.
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We'd put them into a replacement
vehicle, and that was that.
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A few days later, I got a phone call.
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It was the police, and they asked me
about the meeting that I'd had with Alan
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Terenge and Sophie Terenge a few days
before.
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Can you describe what they looked like?
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Did they say where they'd been?
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They gave no indication what it was
about, and I didn't ask.
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You know, I assumed it wasn't my
business.
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The next morning, I arrived at work
about 8 o'clock, and I said to another
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girl, I said, oh, do you remember the
two rangers?
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And she said, yeah, that's them over
there.
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They were all sitting in the waiting
area.
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Yeah, it was a big shock to see them.
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So that was when it got a bit
interesting.
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The other girl, she said they were
dropping off their vehicle early and I
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said, look, I had a phone call last
night about them.
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They're wanted by the police.
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And she just immediately reached for the
phone.
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I remember it was a rainy day in
Auckland. It was a rainy, dark, sort of
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gloomy day.
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We had a phone call quite early from
Newman to say...
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those people you are looking for in the
cabavan are in our office now.
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What would you like us to do?
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Basically, we were like, keep them
there. Think of whatever reason you can,
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but keep them there.
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He said, OK, we've got to keep them.
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And then very quickly, I thought, if
someone brings a vehicle back early,
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they actually get the money refunded.
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So I thought... We could use that as an
excuse to keep them.
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I mean, my faith, I'm not good at
telling lies, you know, and hiding
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things.
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But at that stage, I think I just knew I
had to stay calm.
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And so I walked over to them.
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Alan Turing was very friendly, very
charming, chatty.
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and we said, we owe you some money
because you're dropping off your vehicle
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earlier than you'd booked it, and we
need to wait for a manager to come in
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and sign the cheques.
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I think it was only about $130.
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If they had said, look, forget it, just
take us to the airport, I don't know
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what I would have done.
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But they accepted that.
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And then I was sort of seeing other
customers and waiting for the police to
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arrive.
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We had to get there at speed.
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This was huge for us.
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So we dashed down to the car park, which
was about four levels below us.
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And we got to our car, but we didn't
have the keys.
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Have you got the keys?
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No, I thought you had the keys.
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We're going to lose them.
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And we're like, ah!
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In the washing bay, there was a guy.
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who used to look after all the cars, he
had a brand-new Commodore sitting in
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there which belonged to one of the big
bosses.
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I thought, well, here's a car. He had
the keys on his belt, so I took the keys
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like that, and he turned around like
this, and I said, big case, big case,
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and we drove away.
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He was most put out, but we were on a
mission.
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So the time was dragging on, waiting for
the police.
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The other girl and I were both getting a
bit nervous.
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Ellen Tarrant, she came up to the
counter a couple of times to ask how
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things were going.
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So I was starting to feel a little bit
of pressure.
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There was heavy traffic.
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We were driving in a police car that
didn't have sirens and lights and all
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that sort of stuff.
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It was taking ages to get there.
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It was a terrifying thought that we
could miss them.
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After a while, men started arriving at
work who were obviously managers.
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You know, they're wearing suits and
ties.
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I looked up and Alan Terange was
standing looking at me very intently.
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That was really frightening.
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At that moment, I did have a bit of a
flip of the stomach.
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But I tried to be really cool about it.
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And the next thing, the room just seemed
to be filled with cool men in suits.
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We burst into the reception area behind
Terry.
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As little as guys could hide behind him.
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I just said, they're right behind you.
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They walked over to Ellen and Sophie to
range.
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We identified ourselves as police
officers and told them that we wished to
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speak to them about an unspecified
matter.
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Unfortunately, with some reluctance,
they said yes.
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What did you think they'd done?
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In my mind, I decided they'd been
poaching trout in Lake Taupo.
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We returned with the Teronges to
Auckland Central Police Station where we
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prepared to formally interview them.
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I was in charge of questioning Alan
Teronge.
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So I interviewed him off and on for
about 22 hours.
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They were kept apart so that their
stories could be given individually.
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They couldn't collaborate.
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You had to be...
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methodical, meticulous.
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If you're too hasty, you miss things.
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And so I asked them logical questions.
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What is your full name?
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Alain Turange.
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What is the purpose of your visit?
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Holiday.
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Sophie, can you tell me where you were
born?
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Geneva.
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What was the date of your marriage?
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6th of September, 1975.
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Well, how long have you been married?
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Ten years.
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What date did you get married?
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September, about the 6th.
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Ellen Turon was cool, calm, collected.
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There's a thing called a Gaelic shrug,
where they go, and he come out with it a
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lot.
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She wasn't very cooperative either.
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It would help us if we knew more about
you.
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What do you want to know?
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Tell us about your husband.
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What did you mean?
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What does he like to do?
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What are his interests?
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I do not talk about my husband.
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Then I started to ask him about the
waterfront. What were they doing there?
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And he said that they had had an
argument. So he got out of the van to
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cool off a bit.
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And then he saw a fisherman who was
dragging a dinghy up on the rocks.
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I want to get back to this night in
question.
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Where and when did you see the man that
you helped?
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When I was walking back to the van.
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And what did he say?
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He said for me to help him pull his
dinghy out of the water.
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He said his name was Peter.
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What happened then?
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I helped him pull the boat from the
water and asked him where he was going.
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He said he had his car near there and he
was going to it.
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What then?
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I offered to take him to it.
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You offered him?
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A complete stranger?
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You in a foreign land? That was very
good of you.
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Yes. Why?
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I don't know. I can say.
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Perhaps you knew him, Alan. That would
explain it.
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No.
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And so I asked him, Peter the fisherman,
where did he sit in the van?
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At the front.
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Why in the front? Why not in the back?
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So that he could tell my wife where to
drive to?
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While Perry was speaking with Alan,
Sophie was also asked about the man they
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had picked up from the waterfront.
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When the man was in the van, where was
he sitting?
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In the back.
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Your husband said he was sitting in the
front.
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I don't know.
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He was in the back.
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They were giving conflicting accounts
and it was a simple question. Where did
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the guy sit in the van?
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And they couldn't get it right.
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That, of course, is overwhelmingly
suspicious.
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Your wife says you were next to her in
the front and the man you helped in the
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back. Which is it?
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I am sure I was in the back.
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What do you want me to say?
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How about the truth?
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You're getting it.
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So even from that early stage of the
interview, you start to build a picture
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that you're talking with two people who
are not telling the truth.
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I think throughout that process, as a
detective, you're looking for signs
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The way they interacted with each other
was surprising.
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They didn't comfort each other to any
great extent.
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They didn't behave like married people.
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So all these little bits, they all
created a huge suspicion in our minds.
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But we had nothing concrete on them at
all.
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Detective Superintendent Alan Galbraith
briefed his team of 66 detectives at the
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start of another day in the search to
find the bombers of the Rainbow Warrior.
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We were still questioning the taronges
and it soon became clear that we needed
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more solid evidence.
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So we went public.
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Police are releasing only little
information, but it's known they're
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keenly interested in this Newman's
rented camper van seen in the area not
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long before the bombings.
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We want to locate where this vehicle has
been, hopefully trace people who have
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had any contact with the occupants. What
areas was this van in? We suspect in
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Auckland, North Auckland, and down as
far as perhaps Hamilton.
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Next day.
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We get a ring from a couple of forestry
workers up in Tipuni Forest and said,
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oh, are you interested in a camper van?
I'll tell you a little story about a
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camper van.
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The man said a couple of days before the
bombing he was working in a forest car
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park when he saw a Newman's camper van
pull up, wait a short while and then
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drive off.
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A short time later, a grey estate car
arrived with several men in it.
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The workman felt...
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it was a little suspicious.
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So he wrote down the registration number
of this grey estate car on his truck in
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the dust.
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I said to the guy, oh, is the number
still there? He said, oh, we've had some
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thunderstorms and it's probably washed
off by now.
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There it is there.
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LR8114.
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We find out it had been rented from a
hire company.
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The rental car company had rented it out
to people with French passports.
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There was four people in total. There
was Xavier Manigay, Eric Audron, John
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Michelle Patello and Raymond Oltz.
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And they'd given their addresses, a
yacht, the Ouvier.
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So the Ouvier...
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immediately became of interest to us.
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The bombing occurred on the night of the
10th of July and when we contacted
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customs they told us that the Ovea yacht
had left New Zealand the day before the
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bombing on the 9th of July.
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So they couldn't have been the actual
guys who planted the bombs.
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But we were sure at that stage that
somehow these people could be connected
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with the bombing.
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We wanted to know about all their
movements over the period that they were
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in the north of New Zealand, which is
sparsely populated.
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You might think you could operate there
at leisure almost and wouldn't be
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detected. People wouldn't be...
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that police wouldn't be able to
investigate because, after all, it was a
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backwater.
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Well, they were totally wrong.
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The Ovea crew attracted attention to
themselves by various things that they
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did that were unusual.
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The story essentially was that they were
on holiday on a diving trip, although
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there was no evidence of any diving
having been done.
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Because it was midwinter in New Zealand.
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New Zealand in July, it's very cold, the
seas are rough, it's not good for
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diving.
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It was suspicious, very suspicious.
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French-speaking males in northern New
Zealand, they were rather exotic,
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noticeable, shall we say.
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They certainly appeared to have enjoyed
themselves when they came ashore.
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They mingled very freely and openly with
locals.
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One character had a romantic interlude
with a policeman's wife.
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They had a great old time.
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They were getting photographed by
females on many occasions.
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Made their presence felt, if you like.
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here for a job, but something didn't
seem right.
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We needed to speak to those people
pretty quickly.
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Inspector Galbraith, who was in charge
of the investigation, was determined not
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to screw it up.
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Within two or three days of the
explosion, Nobody was allowed on the
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dock or near the boat.
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He controlled who was coming and who was
going and what was happening.
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But the boat was heeling over on the
dock.
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And the police didn't want the masks on
a boat that they didn't know how strong
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was anymore.
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So we went out there and took the masks
down.
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Peter, you went aboard the Rainbow
Warrior this morning. What sort of scene
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greeted you?
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Well, primarily everything was covered
in diesel fuel, soaking wet.
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It's smelly.
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Very slippery just to walk around.
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It doesn't look good.
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I think all the woodwork on the boat
will have to be redone, torn out.
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To be taking all that stuff apart and at
some point realizing it was probably
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never going back on, it was just really,
that was tough.
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And I was sitting there just bummed out
and depressed.
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I remember being very upset about
Fernando.
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But I remember thinking he enjoyed being
a part of Greenpeace, being a part of
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trying to change these issues that we
were changing.
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And I started picking up the pieces and
going on.
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I decided I don't want to sit around and
do nothing.
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We have to get to Maroa.
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I didn't want to be stopped by the
people that did it.
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All I know,
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If there were people who didn't want to
see a failure, then we're wrong.
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But if they think, if they can stop
this, it's a big mistake.
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Because you can kill people.
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You can send shit.
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You can't kill spirit.
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And the spirit of the warrior is still
there.
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to make a statement we had to sell.
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We weren't going to give up.
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By that stage, there was obviously
questions about international
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involvement.
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The Taronges and the Auvers crew were
all native French speakers.
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In terms of Greenpeace's enemies, if you
will, the hot topic at that time was the
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French nuclear testing at Moura Atoll.
So in terms of people being upset with
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Greenpeace, I would say France at that
time were the number one contenders.
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The Taronges were remanded in custody,
but the Auvers crew...
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We needed to get our hands on them
pretty quickly.
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Customs told us that the Ovea had been
located in Norfolk Island, which is a
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small island close to Australia.
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We were flown across to Norfolk Island
and we'd tracked them down to one of the
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local motels.
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And, you know, to be fair, we were just
a motley group of police that were
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available. to suddenly fly out of New
Zealand. So we weren't like some
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trained, highly trained team of motel
stormers or anything else like that.
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So we liaised with the motel owner.
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It was getting quite late at night at
that stage.
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And we put a bit of a plan together.
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A couple of teams of us were going to
storm the two units that the members of
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the OVEA were then at that time asleep
in.
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So we were talking about kicking in the
doors and all of that sort of drama.
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And I remember the motel owner saying,
would you like the keys for the door?
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And we go, oh yeah, that'd be great,
thanks.
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It was dark.
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They were in bed asleep.
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So we quietly opened the door and then
we burst into their unit.
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They were immediately alert.
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They were ready for action.
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They were guys that could have provided
a fair bit of resistance or fought back
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at us had they decided to.
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Fortunately for us, they didn't.
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They were detained and then returned
back to the Norfolk Island Police
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Station.
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We took their passports to have them
checked out.
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But Norfolk is administered by the
Australian government, so we were under
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a 24-hour deadline.
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At the end of 24 hours, you had to
either charge them with an offence or
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release them.
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The pressure was on all of us involved
in the interviews.
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We needed something significant or we
had to let them go.
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You're looking for signs, their body,
their facial expressions, how they
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react to different questions.
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Sitting in the room with these guys, we
became aware that these men were very
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capable, quite military, quite trained.
476
00:33:37,910 --> 00:33:41,810
And after talking to them or being with
them for a little while, you could
477
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:45,010
clearly see they were anything but
tourists.
478
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,380
And gradually you start to wonder, who
the hell am I dealing with here?
479
00:34:23,179 --> 00:34:24,860
Because we are real professionals.
480
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:28,460
We know the risks.
481
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,800
We know the consequences.
482
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:37,900
It's our job.
483
00:35:07,609 --> 00:35:10,030
It's not the feeling of having done
something criminal.
484
00:35:11,650 --> 00:35:13,630
It's not that I'm lying, I'm sure of it.
It's to serve.
485
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:28,710
The death of a man and those who are
taken will end up in prison.
486
00:35:30,910 --> 00:35:37,650
When the New Zealand police, who had
landed in Norfolk, stopped
487
00:35:37,650 --> 00:35:44,190
us, we imagined the worst for them,
years in prison.
488
00:35:46,530 --> 00:35:48,770
We were prepared for that kind of thing.
489
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,860
crew of the OVR, these men were very
staunch, evasive.
490
00:36:04,460 --> 00:36:10,080
They would revert back to French
speaking when any question became
491
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:16,120
difficult. You couldn't find an angle
that could get past that frontage on
492
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,120
them.
493
00:36:44,980 --> 00:36:48,600
We had not learnt anything of any
significance.
494
00:36:51,460 --> 00:36:53,760
Nothing had come back on the passports.
495
00:36:54,510 --> 00:36:57,630
We just didn't have enough to arrest
them.
496
00:36:58,290 --> 00:37:01,730
Clearly, if you've got no evidence, then
they need to be released.
497
00:37:03,010 --> 00:37:04,270
We had to let them go.
498
00:37:06,590 --> 00:37:10,970
It's one of the most disappointing
moments of my police career, watching
499
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:14,190
them rowing out to their boat, to the
Ovea.
500
00:37:34,170 --> 00:37:39,010
I remember standing there thinking, I'm
sure these guys work for the French
501
00:37:39,010 --> 00:37:43,050
Secret Service, but can we prove it?
502
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,720
On the day that we picked up the
torologies, we sent the details of both
503
00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:00,060
the passports and the licences to
Interpol.
504
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:07,160
The Swiss came back very quickly and
said that these are good forgeries, but
505
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,760
both the passports and the licences were
totally false.
506
00:38:11,740 --> 00:38:14,900
It meant we could charge them with
immigration charges.
507
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,960
But who were these people?
508
00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:21,440
How did they fit into the bombing?
509
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:24,550
And who were they associated with?
510
00:38:26,670 --> 00:38:28,250
Where do we need to look next?
511
00:38:30,090 --> 00:38:31,270
What is your real name?
512
00:38:31,950 --> 00:38:34,450
I want to talk to you by your real first
name.
513
00:38:37,470 --> 00:38:38,470
Just Sophie.
514
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:41,350
Who do you work for?
515
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:45,930
I think you know.
516
00:38:49,710 --> 00:38:53,450
From the way you talk, you must work for
the French Government Intelligence, or
517
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:54,450
something similar.
518
00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:57,370
Yes.
519
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:59,890
But I cannot tell you.
520
00:39:01,270 --> 00:39:04,070
I want to know what your involvement in
the bombing is.
521
00:39:05,650 --> 00:39:06,790
I cannot say.
522
00:39:08,770 --> 00:39:13,110
If you're not the main person in this
bombing, we can try to get immunity for
523
00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:14,490
you. Do you understand that?
524
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:16,190
Yes.
525
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:18,390
But it is a trick.
526
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:20,980
But it's murder.
527
00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:22,980
Someone has died.
528
00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:24,820
We must know your involvement.
529
00:39:25,660 --> 00:39:26,820
You must help yourself.
530
00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:33,100
If you were not the one that put the
bomb on that boat, it is better for you.
531
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,320
You understand?
532
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,400
Of course.
533
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,240
I want to know who has been working with
you besides Alan.
534
00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:47,600
That is not for me to say.
535
00:39:56,940 --> 00:39:59,960
Mr Galbraith, are you any closer to
solving the crime?
536
00:40:00,740 --> 00:40:04,880
I think we are reasonably close, but
there's a great deal of work we have to
537
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,459
do yet.
538
00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:10,460
We've collected a lot of evidence. It
really just needs the right piece of
539
00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:12,920
evidence and perhaps the thing would
fall into place.
540
00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:21,280
We'd been working tirelessly, but still
had no idea who was part of that
541
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,520
demolition crew who actually attached
these bombs to the boat.
542
00:40:27,210 --> 00:40:34,070
There was some detailed examination of
the wharf divers looking for clues
543
00:40:34,070 --> 00:40:36,030
and other things that might help the
inquiry.
544
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:40,750
So far about 500 pieces of material have
been brought up from the harbour floor.
545
00:40:41,310 --> 00:40:43,750
Even the minutest objects are being
examined.
546
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:48,110
One vital clue is an outboard motor
found submerged in Hobson Bay.
547
00:40:49,090 --> 00:40:54,890
Here we can see the Yamaha outboard
engine that was dumped in the water.
548
00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:59,150
That was obviously connected to the
zodiac that was recovered.
549
00:41:01,530 --> 00:41:04,230
But we couldn't believe what we found
next.
550
00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:08,810
We found a dive bottle just dumped in
the grass.
551
00:41:09,870 --> 00:41:15,110
The oxygen bottle would have been used
by divers, and they were pure white.
552
00:41:16,990 --> 00:41:22,370
On one of the oxygen bottles located was
a black, heavy denier pantyhose.
553
00:41:23,210 --> 00:41:25,690
They'd only assume that it was a
camouflage thing.
554
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:32,730
Here we have the equipment that was
probably used by those who were
555
00:41:32,730 --> 00:41:35,430
responsible for placing the explosives
on the boat.
556
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:39,290
But who was it that actually wore it?
557
00:41:41,530 --> 00:41:46,370
The crew of the OVR left New Zealand the
day before.
558
00:41:46,830 --> 00:41:49,530
The Rainbow Warrior was actually blown
up.
559
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,400
Clearly they'd fulfilled their part of
the mission.
560
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,940
We think at this time that was delivery
of the gear required to carry out the
561
00:41:58,940 --> 00:41:59,940
operation.
562
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:05,440
The Torongas were present at the
waterfront the night of the bombing, the
563
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:11,340
fact that they uplifted the Zodiac out
of the sea. We think it was their job to
564
00:42:11,340 --> 00:42:14,060
transport that stuff after the bombs
went off.
565
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,500
But who was this diver?
566
00:42:19,070 --> 00:42:24,090
or person that they'd picked up out of
the water, who actually planted the
567
00:42:24,090 --> 00:42:28,390
explosives, to carry out the bombing of
the Rainbow Warrior.
568
00:42:59,279 --> 00:43:06,260
The net was closing in and we
569
00:43:06,260 --> 00:43:08,120
were really confident that we were going
to find them.
570
00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:23,080
They identified him as a French secret
agent.
571
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,340
It would be state terrorism.
572
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:26,900
He did it.
573
00:43:27,580 --> 00:43:28,600
He was the summer leaflet.
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