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In 1985, I was 25 years old.
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On the night in question, I remember
feeling absolutely shattered.
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I'd been out drinking for five days and
nights with all these detectives, and I
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was pleased to get some sleep.
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Two o'clock in the morning, phone rang.
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It was my detective sergeant. He said,
there's been an explosion on a boat. Can
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you come in?
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I'm like, oh, my gosh.
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So I was called to Auckland Central
Police Station.
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The flagship of the environmental group
Greenpeace was sunk today at the harbour
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in Auckland, New Zealand.
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One crew member was killed. There were
two explosions on board the ship, and
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police call them suspicious.
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It became apparent we were dealing with
a serious crime.
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Police in New Zealand say it was a bomb
which sank the Greenpeace ship Rainbow
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Warrior. They're treating the death of a
crewman as murder.
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Someone had been murdered.
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The boat had been deliberately
destroyed.
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It started to wash over us. This was
going to be one of the biggest police
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inquiries of the century.
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In New Zealand tonight, police are
launching a major investigation into the
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explosions aboard the Rainbow Warrior.
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We consider this to be a scandal of the
nuclear age.
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This was no accident.
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Somebody, somewhere, decided they wanted
to blow up our boat.
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Things like this just don't happen in
New Zealand.
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When you're powerful, you don't have to
pay for your crimes.
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Murderers can't go unpunished. They've
got to be exposed.
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have characters if you like almost like
personalities and they have
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smells as well you know how evocative
smell is
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well the warrior had that smell her deck
had that smell in the heat when the tar
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would be melting a bit between the seams
of the planks
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but she was not
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just a boat that was tangible, she also
carried the intangible too.
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What we could do with her and what kind
of hope she would carry and what kind
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of, all of that was part of what the
warrior was as well.
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She was really, she was really a lovely
ship.
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1985 was our year of protesting nuclear
testing in the Pacific.
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We were eager to go out and try to
change the world to someplace better.
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But before we took the Warrior halfway
across the world, we found ourselves in
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Jacksonville, Florida.
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We had to get the Warrior ready to take
on this campaign.
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We were turning the Warrior into a
sailing boat.
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We had to put two masks on her.
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It was this really long, huge bit of
steel that they were picking up with a
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crane.
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And we had put Rosemary and Danster
Hooley around the collar and everything
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before we dropped it onto the deck just
to make sure she was going to, you know,
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have the right mojo to carry us across
the ocean.
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Doing this work on the warrior.
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It was what joined us at the hip as a
crew, making her a boat that we would
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sail together.
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She was a North Sea trawler, and that's
like saying she was built like a tank.
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You couldn't find a better boat to send
a bunch of crazy hippies out with in the
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ocean.
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The warrior was a place of good energy.
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Everybody was there because they wanted
to be.
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They were there because they believed in
what Greenpeace was trying to do.
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Martini was the first mate.
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He looked a little bit like Keith
Richards.
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Davy Edwards was the first engineer.
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Hannah Sorensen was the second engineer.
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She already had a lot of history with
Greenpeace.
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Just a beautiful worker.
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Hank Hasen was the third engineer.
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Hank and I were already a couple when we
joined the Warrior.
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And then there was Pete, one of
Greenpeace's best skippers.
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And then we had a photographer.
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Fernando Pereira was a wonderful
laid-back guy, brilliant photographer.
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We had a darkroom on board, which was
just really a cupboard.
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And he would be in there developing the
photograph as we were going.
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That was part of the way of getting the
story out there.
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And then we had Deccan's Grace
O'Sullivan from Ireland, Andy Biederman,
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a Swiss doctor, and there was Bunny
McDermott.
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She was a hard-working crew member.
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When I was in my 20s, I was traveling
around the U.S.
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trying to figure out how to explain the
world to myself.
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You know, I liked music, I liked
dancing, but what was my role and
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purpose in being in the world?
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And then I fell in love.
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Hank and I, we met in New Orleans.
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We both had, I think, quite a strong
sense of what was fair and unfair.
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And then one day, we ran into a friend.
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He was telling us about the Warrior and
what the Warrior was going to be doing
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and we thought, oh my God, that sounds
wonderful.
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It was going to do the anti-nuclear
campaign through the Pacific, which is
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where I was from.
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That's how I ended up on the Warrior for
my first ever Greenpeace campaign.
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On the Warrior in 85, we were going to
go to the Marshall Ions, where the U.S.
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tested nuclear bombs for many, many
years.
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In less than a minute, you will see the
most powerful explosion ever witnessed
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by human eyes.
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The U.S. started nuclear testing in the
Pacific in 1946.
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They tested 67 nuclear bombs.
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Some of them larger than the ones that
blew apart Nagasaki and Hiroshima in the
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Second World War.
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Five, four, three, two, one.
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And they chose a place that they thought
that nobody would care about.
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And that was the Marshall Islands.
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The U.S. government told the Marshallese
that it was for the good of all mankind.
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They said it was safe to detonate these
horrendous things out in the middle of
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nowhere, but it's not out in the middle
of nowhere for the people who live in
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the Pacific Islands.
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In 1985.
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The testing in the Marshall Islands was
over.
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But the legacy of those tests, the
contamination of both the people and the
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land, was still very much alive.
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There was one test called Bravo in 1954.
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The nuclear fallout.
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Like all the stuff that got sucked up in
the explosion.
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The wind blew it all on these inhabited
islands.
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One of the inhabited islands was
Rongelap.
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The tremendous yield resulted in a
serious fallout situation on Rigelap
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Atoll.
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These people.
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They were like guinea pigs, basically.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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The U.S. were awarded the Marshall
Islands after the Second World War
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to look after.
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And what they did was set up a nuclear
testing program and bomb the shit out of
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people and then take no responsibility
for what they did to them except to
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study them.
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The Marshallese caught by fallout got
175 wrenchings of radiation.
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These are fishing people, savages by our
standards.
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So a cross-section was brought to
Chicago for testing. The first was John,
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the mayor of Rongelap Atoll.
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We did not know the extent of the damage
that was done by the nuclear testing in
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1954 until recently.
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From the beginning, the United States
has been telling these people that there
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is nothing wrong.
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They can cover up the wrong thing they
did.
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John, as we said, is a savage, but a
happy, amenable savage.
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The Iron Room.
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is a radiation detector for human
beings.
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One dot, one gamma ray.
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If we are okay, why are they coming
twice a year to monitor our health?
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We know something is wrong.
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Even though we love this small island.
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It is highly contaminated by
radioactivity.
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Every time I ask for assistance from the
American government,
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seeking a better place for my people, I
have
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never get any assistance.
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So we got in contact with the people of
the Greenpeace organization.
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In 1985, the Rongelap Islanders appealed
to Greenpeace to move them off
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Rongelap to another atoll.
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So of course we agreed making their
story heard was important
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to all of us.
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We wanted to get press involved, and so
we invited journalists
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to come with us.
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I had written about Greenpeace before,
so I signed up.
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But this was perhaps the most ambitious
thing they had ever done, and it was a
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huge risk.
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They were going to go and interfere with
American affairs on a completely
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contaminated island.
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I became Secretary of State for Defence
in January of 1983 and remained in that
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position until 1986.
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I was answerable to the Cabinet for the
policies of the nation's defence.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the Prime
Minister.
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At that time particularly, nuclear
deterrence was essential.
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We face in the Soviet Union...
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A power whose declared aim is to bury
Western civilization.
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In the 1980s, the USSR was a very real
threat.
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The Russians had deployed a modernized
nuclear deterrent system in large parts
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of Europe.
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There was no doubt whatsoever that
democracy did need defending.
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The appropriate response was for us to
have an equivalent of deterrence, which
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took the form of the American cruise
missile system.
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Based upon the partnership with America,
our capability was real and up-to-date
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and effective.
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The cost of keeping tyranny at bay is
high, but it must be paid.
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Greenpeace? Oh, of course. We all knew
about Greenpeace. And I think some of us
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might have felt that there was a sort of
legitimacy about the arguments they were
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deploying.
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But we might have hesitated about the
techniques that they adopted.
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People thought we were crazy.
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This is pre-internet, pre-mobile phones.
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We were doing something about issues
rather than just talking.
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Doing nothing is part of the problem.
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We didn't care who we angered.
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We swung right in front of the harpoon.
Whale-killing boat stopped dead in its
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tracks.
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Greenpeace was notified that the Rainbow
Warrior could be arrested if she was
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found in Spanish waters.
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I mean, I've been arrested about a dozen
times.
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And I was not willing to stay home and
watch the world go to hell.
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Nuclear weight tipped overboard by a
British ship.
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Corporations and governments were always
threatening them.
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And they were just putting up two
fingers and getting on with it.
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That meant they had a lot of enemies.
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I don't think any of us were worried
about safety, but
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we were in it to live, not to die.
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sailing across the Pacific as an
American, thinking about what we had
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done.
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The role the U.S. government played
there, for me, the sense of
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responsibility was profound.
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I grew up in Connecticut, on the water.
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My family were sailors.
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There was a time when I might have
become a professional yacht racer but i
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was number one in the draft lottery in
the 1970s i was expected to go to
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vietnam to fight but vietnam war is
nothing i wanted to get involved with
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and i was the ceo conscientious objector
wasn't going to happen
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i read about greenpeace in a book and i
just fell in love with it i fell in love
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with
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sailing for a purpose.
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And so I joined in 1981.
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I was told they would take me on as a
possible deckhand.
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Within three months, I was captain of
the boat, and I never wanted to get up.
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Sailing into Rongelap was quite
extraordinary.
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Because it is extraordinarily beautiful.
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And you know, you can't see nuclear
contamination.
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We arrived on the beach.
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They were singing to us, welcoming us to
Rongelap.
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It felt warm.
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and welcoming, and kind of sad, too.
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They were sad.
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It was hard for them.
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You know, they were leaving their home,
their ancestral land.
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When we first arrived, we were just
shocked by realizing what we had
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volunteered to do, taking 350 people and
their housing.
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across the open ocean to another atoll.
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That's a huge operation.
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We loaded the warrior to the gunnels.
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It was unbelievable how much we put on
that boat.
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We also had all these plastic buckets on
board, and I remember having a fight
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with... Martini, the first mate, when we
left Jacksonville, Florida, because we
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were given all these plastic buckets
there and I was being all righteous
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about, no, we cannot take plastic to the
Pacific.
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And he was like, load the buckets,
Bunny. I'm the first mate. Like, put
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them on board. And I go, OK, we're
loading the buckets.
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And I was so grateful because some of
the Rongelap people got really seasick.
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So those buckets came in really handy,
just dishing them out all over the
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place. Thank God he's the first mate,
not me.
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We became aware that some of their
children were quite ill as a result of
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the radiation.
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It was frightening to discover every
person on Rangalap had a scar on their
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throat where their thyroid had been
taken out.
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I think we actually did four trips.
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It was 11 days of us going backwards and
forwards all the time.
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Fernando, our photographer, he took lots
and lots of photos.
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He was a wonderful photographer.
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The island we moved them to was an
island called Majato.
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It was about 150, 180 miles away from
their contaminated atoll.
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No other community lived there.
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So they could stay intact as a
community.
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But there was also a reason why there
was no community living on there.
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It wasn't great for growing and wasn't
great for fishing either.
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But it wasn't contaminated.
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And we got them there and we got them,
all their stuff landed.
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And that's where they sit today.
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I had never experienced anything like
that before in my life.
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It affected us all, I think, to see
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What had happened to these people?
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It wasn't so much as a political event
as just helping a group of people out.
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It was really one of the best things I
ever did in Greenpeace, for sure.
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That was quite... hard to say goodbye to
them.
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But we had a campaign that we were on,
and another part of the Pacific, nuclear
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testing, was still going on.
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That summer, the French were going to
conduct a nuclear test out in French
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Polynesia.
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After we'd moved the Rongelap people, it
certainly made us ever more determined
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to do whatever we could to stop that
from happening.
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hidden in the vast expanse of the South
Pacific Ocean.
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Murowa is situated on the outward
reaches of an area known as French
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Polynesia, a cluster of tiny Pacific
islands under the colonial rule of the
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government of France.
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The French had been nuclear weapons
testing in the Pacific since the mid
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-60s. They mostly tested at Murowa Atoll
in French Polynesia.
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And they tested the buff ground until
the early 70s.
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And then they started doing underground
nuclear tests.
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Holes were bored underneath the center
of the atoll, deep into the coral.
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And that's where they set off their
bombs.
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And of course, coral shatters very
easily.
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The explosions caused cracks in the
reefs.
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It was widely believed that all these
cracks were letting the radioactivity
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out.
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The French were endangering the health
of the Polynesians.
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But of course, the French said it was
perfectly safe.
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They were still testing when other
people had given up.
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I was in the army when the first French
nuclear tests took place in the Sahara.
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Some of them almost got contaminated
because I knew they were in the Sahara.
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And unfortunately, or fortunately,
fortunately for the nuclear capacities
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of France, unfortunately for the French
energy policy, it was decided to conduct
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submarine tests, or at least in areas
where we lived, where we could not live.
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That's how it was chosen.
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The Warriors
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of
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the Rainbow, heroes of many famous
campaigns, are now in Auckland on a new
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campaign to try to stop French nuclear
testing in the Pacific.
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So the plan was that we'd be in New
Zealand for about two weeks so that we
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could resupply and then we'd leave for
Muroroa.
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Now, Bunny, I think you're the only Kiwi
member of this crew. What's it been
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like, the trip? You haven't got bored or
desperate?
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No, not yet.
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Are you going back to Muroroa? Yes.
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Well, not going back. It'll be the first
time I've been there.
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Our plans were to stop them from
testing.
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And we were going to do that by sailing
into Moreroa.
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We were going to go into territorial
waters without permission and get as
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close as we could to the nuclear testing
site.
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So they would be too nervous to test
while we were there, or they would have
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to remove us. But this was a military
base, which was off limits.
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We are ready to be arrested.
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But we also had the capacity to take
photographs, send them out and tell
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a story about what was going on, and
then add that to the opposition that we
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were trying to build globally with
others to drive more nuclear
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disarmament.
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for the abolition of nuclear weapons was
very largely run by people on the
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left of politics.
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That's not to say that it was
exclusively of the left. The
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organisations and the leaders of the
campaign were all
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associated with left-wing organisations.
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I have not the slightest doubt that
there were people who were sympathisers
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with the communist cause.
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I was, at that time, a junior minister
in the Foreign Office.
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I was given responsibility for our
relations with the Soviet Union and
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Eastern Europe, all the communist
countries.
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People really did believe that
Greenpeace were infiltrated by the KGB.
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Well, they might very well have been. Of
course they would want to encourage
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organisations of that kind. It was a
very tense period.
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The people who would get most
satisfaction if Greenpeace had had its
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way... would have been the guy sitting
in the Kremlin.
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Yeah, that's a factor that can never be
ignored.
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I don't have the information as to who
was a Soviet student, who was not, but
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I'm sure they existed.
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I mean, infiltrating Greenpeace is like
trying to infiltrate the YMCA.
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But we weren't protesting anything that
was against the U.S. or against France
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or that wasn't against Russia.
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I mean, they had a perfectly legitimate
right to make their views known.
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But from the government's point of view,
they'd obviously created problems of a
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kind that we could well do without.
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That night, the sun sets about 5.30 in
the afternoon.
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Our campaign manager, it was his
birthday that night, so we had a party.
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We all sang him happy birthday and had a
piece of cake, some wine,
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and then danced.
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People just burned off steam.
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Everyone loved dancing, loved music,
yeah.
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It was fun.
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People were really excited about the
next stage of the campaign.
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We were eager to go out and try to
change the world.
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Sometimes change can happen when you
least expect it.
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Hank and I left around 10 o'clock.
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We were going to stay with my parents
that night.
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The party, it went on and on.
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Some of the crew members, they went off
into town that night.
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I went to bed at 10 o'clock.
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I hanged my glasses up on the bookshelf
that was right there, and they stayed
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there through any kind of weather.
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I went to sleep, feeling like there was
not a problem in the world.
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All of a sudden, I was awake.
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My first thought was, have we hit
somebody? Is it my fault?
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I looked out my forward porthole.
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I could see the lights of the dock,
which meant we were tied to it.
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And I lay back down, relieved.
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Then I realized I could hear the
generators had gone off.
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Something's not right.
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So that's when I got up.
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Everything in my room was upside down.
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My glasses were gone.
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Ten meters down the hall, there's the
engine room door.
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That's where I saw Davey looking at the
water rising.
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Then I realized that that space was now
underwater, and that was full of people.
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Maybe 15 people were sleeping back
there.
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And then the second explosion happened.
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The whole boat jumped up.
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There's really something bad going on.
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So that's when I shout, abandon ship.
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We have to get people out of here.
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I crawled up on the dock and stood there
looking at the boat sinking into the
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water.
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The whole boat sank in 40 seconds.
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As a captain, your biggest concern is
the safety of the crew.
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When I was standing there on the dock, I
realized Hannah and Fernando, they were
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missing.
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And I thought, Fernando always goes into
town.
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But Hannah...
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She never went off the ship at night.
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She was one of the people who just
didn't go out partying.
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The phone rang around 2 o'clock in the
morning, and it was
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Martini calling.
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He told us that the boat had sunk.
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It wasn't believable.
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And so we both went straight down to the
harbour.
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It was dark still, but we could see the
warrior laid
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on her side against the dock.
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That's the only thing I remember of
seeing her.
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At this point, we're just stumbling
along in the dark.
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We were worried and upset about Hannah.
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As second engineer, she would have gone
down and been checking something.
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That's what we were convinced of.
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We shined a light down into the engine
room, and
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all we saw was thick, greasy black water
six feet from the surface.
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Figured my chances of jumping down 10
feet into freezing water, finding scuba
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gear and going down into a cabin where I
might find somebody, they were just
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not very high.
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And I chickened out.
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I wished I had tried, but I didn't.
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She was just a real infectious, happy
young woman.
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Brilliant and beautiful.
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It was just devastating to think that
she was gone.
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And about 10 minutes later, the Ockham
police showed up.
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Everybody was taken across to the police
station that was right across the
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street.
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And that's where I found Hannah.
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She had gone off for a walk, which we
were incredibly
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glad for.
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I've never been that relieved.
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And I put my arm around her, and we
walked back into the rest of the crew.
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And that's when Davey came up to me and
said, Fernando's down there.
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He didn't go out into town that night,
and he was missing.
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Hank and I, we went straight away to
where the crew were staying to find out
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from them what was going on.
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They told us there was a strong
possibility we'd lost Fernando.
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Police divers came.
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Of course, we spilled a whole shipload
of fuel into Auckland Harbour.
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So much they couldn't get down through
the fuel.
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When the Navy dive team came three hours
later, they were able to get through it
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and find Fernando dead in his cabin.
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And they brought him up out of the
water.
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There was stuff coming out of his mouth
from the decomposition of the lungs.
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It was all so unreal at that point.
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I was pretty stunned.
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I mean, everybody was just disbelieving
that
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that happened and that he was gone.
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And we were just realizing that we had
lost one of us.
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You know, and not knowing why or how.
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After the first bomb, he went down to
get his camera gear, of that I have no
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doubt, and when he was down there, the
second bomb went off, and that's what
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trapped him in his cabin, and it flooded
probably instantly.
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Being a part of Greenpeace was something
that he was willing to dedicate his life
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to.
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But he wasn't willing to give up his
life for it.
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Rainbow Warrior now lies sinking in New
Zealand's Auckland Harbour after two
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explosions on board.
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Two explosions killed one crewman.
Police said no cause has been
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determined.
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In the morning, everyone was trying to
figure out what could have happened.
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Like, was it us?
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Some of the crew members were concerned
about the possibility of something in
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the engine room.
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And it could have exploded like that.
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But I knew there was nothing that could
have gone off like that on board.
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I felt sure.
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that it wasn't us.
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That night, I was told that a boat had
blown up in the harbour.
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The initial police thoughts were that it
perhaps had been a gas explosion on
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board the boat.
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However, they were putting together a
team just in case it was
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more serious.
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Throughout the early hours of the
morning, we got a chance to look at the
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damage that had been caused to the boat.
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It became apparent that it wasn't a
simple gas explosion.
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One of the divers came up.
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I was standing right there when he did.
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He said, all the plates are going angled
in.
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That indicates an explosion.
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occurred from the outside of the boat.
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After that, their attitude changed
significantly.
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It became apparent we were dealing with
a serious crime.
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There was a hole the size of a truck on
the side of the ship.
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Bombs had actually been fitted to the
hull and propeller.
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The boat had been deliberately
destroyed.
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The next morning, things really started
to ramp up into a full homicide inquiry.
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The indications are that whoever planted
such a device, and we're assuming they
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did, that they did know what they were
doing.
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It started to wash over us just how
serious this was.
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We never had a crime like that.
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We had a phone call to say, those people
you're looking for are in our office
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now. We were like, keep them there.
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So I was starting to feel pressure.
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You could clearly see they were anything
but tourists.
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And gradually you start to wonder, who
the hell am I dealing with here?
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