All language subtitles for Bot Farms, JD Vance, NATO, Charlie Kirk, Israel & the Globalist Propagand

Elizabeth Lane, thank you so much for

doing this.

>> Thank you.

>> So, I was thinking about this interview.

I never preemptively respond to

criticism or really respond at all, but

in this one specific case

uh I was thinking about it because

you're from Georgia, not Atlanta.

>> No, not [clears throat] Atlanta, the

country.

>> country of Georgia.

Uh the Caucasian country of Georgia, and

um

you have been accused of being a foreign

intel operative, right?

>> Which you deny.

>> Of course.

>> I just want to say out loud, I don't

care.

>> [laughter]

>> Cuz that's not the point. The point is

is the story you're about to tell true

or is it not? And I should also say,

having spent my entire life talking to

undeclared intel operatives from one

country or another, you look back and

you're like, "Oh, wait, you were working

on behalf of that country." Living in a

country where

you know, operatives for Israel are

everywhere in our media. Um paid or

unpaid, irrelevant to me. Uh

you know, even when Mark Levin says

something, I my first response, I force

myself, is to ask, "Is this true?" Cuz

that's what that's what matters. So,

your critics would like the conversation

to be about you.

And I would like to see a conversation

about what you're saying. So, I just

want to say that up front.

>> I love it. Yeah.

>> No, cuz that that's what matters. And

the whole thing is a diversion tactic

designed to get you off of whatever the

person has claimed onto the person.

>> Exactly.

>> And um I'm I don't personally

play along with that. I hope that you

don't, but I just want to say that out

loud before we begin.

So, here's the reason that I was so

anxious to talk to you um

because I think you've gotten a lot of

reporting and inside facts

into a phenomenon that all of us have

noticed in the past several years, which

is the proliferation of

I don't want to use the word bot, but

paid

influence operations online.

>> Absolutely.

>> On social media. And it's not just that

people feel so passionately about

something that they become a shill for

this or that. It seems more organized

than that, much more organized than

that, and in fact it is.

And so I just I'm going to stand back

and let you tell the story, but I will

want to kick it off by asking you,

where is all of this coming from? So the

president, for example, says we're going

to have a memorandum of understanding

with Iran,

really our only option, clearly.

And all of sudden there's just a wave of

attacks against him.

Someone else will stand up and say,

"Wait a second, it looks like Russia

could actually send a hypersonic missile

into Poland. Maybe we should

de-escalate." Wave of attacks. Shut up,

RUSSIAN AGENT.

WHAT is the source of all that?

>> You know, I'm glad you asked that, and

I'm glad you mentioned the president

because some people think that it's

coming from our government, and it's

not. That's the thing. It's not coming

from Trump's administration.

Um it's not coming from the government

trying to like, you know, shut the

dissidents up. No, no, it's much bigger

than that.

Um and there are people who speculated

before that it is it is only from

Israel. It is from Israel as a state.

They I mean, they don't even hide it.

They declared themselves under FARA to

get some type of control um over our

social media, but that's like something

that I'm not even worried about because

we know they are under FARA, and we know

we're going to run into

uh operatives that work with them.

Millions of dollars are wasted on this.

What I'm worried about is much

>> It's wasted on No, you're right. And I

know the operatives personally who are

working for them.

>> Someone attacked you?

>> [laughter]

>> I I haven't even paid any attention, but

I I know Brad Parscale, and I mean,

these are sad, screwed up people who are

not going to

>> He couldn't convince you to come to

dinner at his house. I don't think he's

going to convince you to

change your allegiance to a foreign

country. So I agree with you. I I think

it's that dangerous.

>> Yes. So but there is much more dangerous

force behind this, and you mentioned

bots. So, we got to differentiate

between bots and paid propagandists,

okay? So, paid propagandists are not

afraid to show their faces. They are

actually out there speaking openly about

Israel and how we supposed we should

support Israel over the United States,

but bots are way more dangerous because

they are faceless,

and they operate in the shadows. They

get information about family members and

information they, by the way, should not

have some of this, and somehow they

utilize this ex-Facebook, Instagram to

put it out there and ruin independent

journalists. And by ruin, I mean they

lie. They flat-out lie, um make up

stories, and somehow that story ends up

on big newspapers in the United States.

And I'm about to tell you how that

happens.

>> May I ask, just for more precise

definition, what is a bot exactly?

>> Uh so, bot is somebody who's um

like faceless. Some avatar will be on

the uh on this type of

>> Is there a person behind that, or is

that AI?

>> Sometimes. Mostly it's AI, but there are

real people behind it, too, and you can

tell by how they respond to the

comments, right? Some are just actual

paid bots that they're are there to be

vicious.

>> Right.

>> And respond to people.

>> are human beings.

>> Those are human beings, and there

there's like another part of it where

just AI generates the same exact

responses, and that's why you see when

you said, "Well, we got to have some

deal with Iran," and the same exact

responses go out like those are bots.

Like exact same sentences, right? Those

are bots.

>> Whether they're human or not doesn't

matter.

>> It doesn't matter. But, always human

operates even these bot farms, right?

There's always some corporation or

company that operates. And we will dive

into all of that, trust me. Like, I will

By the time I'm done here, people will

know exactly who's behind, what names

they need to pay attention to,

and what's really going on.

And the same people hate Trump, by the

way. They like I said, it's not it's not

coming from Trump administration.

>> They've always hated Trump.

>> They always hated him.

>> And to see him do their bidding,

wittingly or unwittingly,

you know, consciously or unconsciously,

intentionally or against his will, it it

doesn't matter. It's the most sad thing.

>> Yes.

So, like to make it, you know, people

like easy enemies. Like people like to

point fingers like, oh well, he's evil,

let's fight him. But people don't like

complexities. They don't like the web.

They just want easy answers. Like, who's

the enemy we we go fight, right?

Unfortunately, that's not how real life

works. Sometimes it's more complicated,

and this is why I got to start with the

story so that we can get to

current situation and how we ended up

here.

>> part of the appeal of hating Israel is

that it makes it very simple. Israel's

committing genocide. Obviously, it's an

evil country. I mean, they're committing

genocide, so like they're evil.

>> True.

>> But it doesn't mean that they're running

the entire world cuz they're not.

>> They're not.

>> I know. I know.

>> I know you do. And uh

So, first, let me thank you for

everything you are. Like cuz I don't I

don't think you get that enough and you

should.

>> I know.

>> Um I know you're modest, but here's the

thing, sucker. People like me would have

given up long time ago if not for people

like you.

Because you blaze, you know, the the

trail for everyone else, and this way it

becomes easier for us to fight because

they know that we don't have the

backing, and they come after us and all

that. So,

yeah.

>> So, um if it's not Israel, but just to

be totally clear, it's not a defense of

the government of Israel, which is

totally indefensible, but it's just an

acknowledgement of reality

>> Right.

>> that that is way too simple, and um and

it's just not it's not true. So, they're

not running the world, sorry.

>> Yes.

>> Who is?

>> And it's not just Israel, but yes. So,

um let me start with a very interesting

story, okay? In 2018,

there was a hack that happened, and

[clears throat] it didn't get nowhere

near the attention it deserved, and for

the reason,

uh because what got exposed was a

military intelligence operation in the

media.

And do you think that media would expose

themselves by writing about it? Of

course not.

But it got enough attention that it got

investigated.

And the hack was done by um an entity

called

Anonymous, okay?

>> I remember.

>> Remember Anonymous? That they destroyed

like Anonymous doesn't really exist

anymore.

>> So, neither does LiveLeak or any of the

>> Right?

>> Yeah.

>> Yes. So, Anonymous hacked something

called Integrity Initiative, and

Integrity Initiative was a project ran

under

um Institute of Statecraft, okay? Well,

no one knew what the heck Institute of

Statecraft was. It was a think tank,

obscure think tank doing its own thing,

but once the exposure came out, people

started paying attention because we

realized how big and deep the issue ran.

So, some

journalists that you might know, Max

Blumenthal, for example, and others

actually got on this case, and they were

like, this is more serious than they are

telling us about. Thousands of emails

came out and documents,

and we ran we we learned that

uh Institute of Statecraft was running a

military operation in the media using

resources to go after politicians

and independent journalists, smearing

them, writing the chain of articles so

that they can prevent certain

politicians from obtaining power in

different, not just one, but in

different countries and um parliaments.

One of them was Jeremy Corbyn, for

example. I'll dive into that, too. So,

first let's talk about this Institute of

Statecraft and what it was. Well,

journalists wanted to check it out where

this

entity is located. The public address

said it was in Scotland. So, some

independent journalists went to see what

it looks like, and when they got there,

they only found an abandoned building.

There was nothing there. Like, just an

abandoned building, so they were like,

"Okay, so this is a wrong address, even

though officially that's what they say

they are located at, right?" So, they go

back, and they dive into these documents

that got hacked, and they finally found

the real address.

And it was two Temple Place, Central

London.

It was a former house of Knights

Templar.

And then they call other people

conspiracy theorists. It's just very

funny. But, yeah, they they picked the

place, I didn't. Um so, what came out in

the emails and communications was pretty

damaging, because here's a crew of

journalists, intelligence officers, by

the way, like Chris Donnelly,

all British, some from other countries,

like Finland, Russia, Georgia, like that

was a Ukrainian, Russian, not really

Russian.

Um and all these like different

countries and journalists who are on

this chart, secret chart that was not

supposed to be out public in public.

Yes. And when you look at them, they

don't really work together. So, there's

like no real records that these people

ever worked together.

But, here's a chart

from an actual organization that says

they do work together, and they

themselves designed it. Let me explain

this, too.

So, what they did is they would

communicate with each other

by a different means, like email was one

of them,

and they would write up these smear

campaigns against people they didn't

like. And they did all of this, this is

my favorite part, under the guise of

fighting Russian disinformation.

>> Ah, yes.

>> Of course. So, they got the funds

because the idea was we need to fight

Russian disinformation

and we need crew of journalists and

somehow military officers for it and

intel officers for it and we are going

to go after everyone that spreads

Russian disinformation. Now, explain to

me, Tucker, how is Jeremy Corbyn

um a British politician a Russian agent?

Because that's what they said.

Well, they didn't want Jeremy Corbyn in

power so they started smearing the guy,

writing articles like Jeremy Corbyn

is like spewing Russian propaganda, he's

an agent, he's Putin's lover, he's

Putin's puppet, who's

you name it.

>> And he's a Nazi, he's an anti-Semite.

>> Exactly.

Exactly.

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>> But

>> What was it Do you have any idea what

the calculation was there? Why were they

opposed to Jeremy Corbyn?

>> So, I don't know exactly why.

>> He was the head of the Labour Party in

Britain.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.

>> So, what I've noticed about these people

is very simple. They oppose everyone

that's not on their side. So, it doesn't

matter if you're a Nazi or a good guy or

whatever. Like, if you're not part of

the crew, you don't get to do anything.

Okay?

>> agenda is a globalist agenda.

>> 100%. 100% is the same agenda why NATO

was created. Their agenda is the same

agenda as like George Soros, for

example. George Soros is a huge part of

the story.

>> Yes.

>> Huge part. So, whatever George Soros'

agenda always was is the same that these

people share very, you know,

passionately. So, Jeremy Corbyn was not

the only one. They had somebody called

um

um Ro- I got to look, sorry. It's a lot

of names. Um

Pedro Pedro

Banos or something like that. So,

anyway, um a Spanish uh military guy.

So, this Pedro was considered for one of

the highest positions in national

security in Spain.

I looked him up. He's a decent guy.

Like, he just has his own channel, like

talks about politics, opposes globalism

with everything he can. So, they decided

that Pedro Pedro Banos was going to be a

Russian agent. Even though he had no

connections to Russia whatsoever. So,

yeah, they started writing pieces that

Pedro can never be uh part of national

security in Spain because uh he's a

Russian agent, he's a Putin puppet. So,

anyway, the same exact thing. The the

The tactics never change. You're Russian

agents, therefore you don't get to be in

positions like of power, right? So, they

destroyed Pedro Banos' candidacy. He did

not

go and uh occupy the post that he was uh

named for. So, they completely destroyed

him.

>> Wow.

>> So, they have power.

>> Yes.

>> So, who are they exactly?

>> Yeah, so this is where we get to the

most important part, okay?

Well, I everything I'm going to say, I'm

going to say from their own words and

their own uh charts and what they what

they wrote in those hack documents. And

this is one of the charts I brought you.

These are they, by the way. I don't know

if you can see it, but these are

journalists, these are intel officers,

and everyone that was on that chart.

I don't know if you can see it, but I

can explain it. So,

um I don't want to confuse people by

lots of names, so I'm going to give you

the most important names that um kind of

drove this show, right?

Chris Donnelly was one of them, and

Chris Donnelly is a British

intelligence army intelligence officer.

He was the one who got the funds for

something called Integrity Initiative.

And you know who paid the money? British

Foreign Office.

>> Hm.

>> Yes. So, you have a think tank running

an operation in the media that is funded

by British Foreign Office, and we know

nothing about it. Okay?

>> And its stated purpose was what? Just to

>> Fight Russian disinformation.

But they are doing it through

intel officers.

And like I mean

how is that justified?

And they have this journalist assigned

in every country, which we will talk

about. As you can see, there's a network

management there. So, they have this

journalist assigned to different

countries with the teams. How they going

to fight this Russian disinformation,

right? So, one of them was uh Jessikka

from Finland. Have you ever heard of

her?

>> No.

>> No one has.

The only people who know who Jessikka

Aro is people in Finland, okay?

So, because I'm not an expert in

Finland, when I started investigating

this network, I said I need people on

the ground, independent journalists who

will help me identify what this Jessikka

Aro actually did, right? So, they

advised me to reach out to

four different Finnish journalists. I

made sure to pick the ones that are

completely independent. I said, I want

journalists with two-bedroom apartments,

nothing more. Like, I need people who

have no money and are in it for the

good. So, they advised four different

people, okay? Two of them knew each

other, the other two was on the other

side of the political spectrum, so they

didn't really communicate, which is

exactly what I wanted because you're

getting two different perspectives.

I kid you not.

Every single one of them, when I

mentioned this hack, said, "Look into

Jessica Aro." Without exceptions, every

single one. This is the woman you need

to look into. She's a deep state

operative.

So, then I Yeah. So, then I started

asking,

"What did she do?"

And one of the journalists said, "Well,

she ruined independent journalists and

their careers and their lives." Yeah.

So, I'll tell you her direct story

coming from her own mouth, okay?

She said,

she had a nice career, like you did, uh

on actual network. She even worked for

BBC.

Um and when she started telling the

truth about Russian-Ukrainian war, she

got fired.

So, she was like, "Okay, well, I get

fired. I don't care. Like, I'm going to,

you know, do what you did." Start her

own thing. And after she started her own

things, they just

started hammering her. "You're a Russian

agent. You are You're a Russian puppet.

You work for another government." The

same exact strategy, Tucker. It got so

bad that her neighbor called the

authorities on her.

>> Yeah, that sounds like Finland.

>> Yes. Yes, that is that is

>> I'm part Finnish, I can say this. It's a

wonderful country, smartest people in

the world, beautiful, but very strange.

>> Yes.

>> And the most conformist

>> Yes.

>> place. It's a shame It's a I think the

one of the only white countries with a

shame culture nation shame culture.

>> I completely agree.

>> It's

Yeah, it's a very

>> different kind of place. It's not quite

Europe. No.

>> But here's like the interesting part.

Authorities get there, right? And um

they investigate whatever they do.

And they tell this neighbor,

"She's not Russian agent. You're fine.

Just shut up. Like we we're good."

>> Yeah.

>> So here's a great case, Tucker, where

authorities know exactly what's going

on. They know one is a Russian agent.

Yet they're absolutely okay with this

clan of people on that paper. They're

this not my chart. This is their chart.

It taking independent journalist

completely destroying their career.

"Oh, so what? You're not a Russian agent

and we just destroyed your career, but

shut up. It's okay."

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>> It's interesting that they

[clears throat] would So this is a group

based in the UK funded by the UK Foreign

Office.

>> Uh no, not only UK. As you can see,

there's like let me let me uh show you

>> that they feel they have to crush a

Finnish someone in Helsinki. It's a

country of 5 million people. Like what

do they care?

>> crushed uh people. Let me read this to

you. So, they have one in Visegrad

countries. They have Ukraine. Um they

have Baltic countries. So, these are

clusters, Tucker. They assign their

agents or whatever they call like

themselves. They assign their journalist

agents to every country. So, they have

clusters in Baltic countries. They have

clusters in Georgia, in Ukraine, so

Eastern European countries, in Finland,

and other places. And one is in the

United States, and we'll talk about

that, too.

And this is how they operate.

Now, because there are a lot of names,

and all these journalists are little,

you know, operators of these people and

go out and, you know, they bake new

article about Tucker Carlson or

something so that people think that you

are a Russian agent or Qatari agent or

whatever. That's what they do. This is

the network they have. So,

the the the part that I want to talk

about is the names that are most

important here, okay?

Chris Donnelly was one of them because

guy is a British in you know,

intelligence like army intelligence

agents running the operation like this.

What is this? And another one is Ben

Nimmo, who I think is extremely

important figure. So, Ben Nimmo worked

as a NATO correspondent.

By the way, they all start in journalism

and they advance either in politics like

Sikorski for example. They are

uh Polish minister.

>> Radek.

>> Yes, yes.

>> The Anne Applebaum's husband.

>> Yes, yes, correct. Did you know that he

also started as a journalist like

>> when he was a journalist in the 1980s

writing for National Review magazine.

>> There you go.

>> Yeah.

>> So, all of them do, Tucker. And if you

look at this chart, then they move up.

So, they start as journalists and then

they do their due diligence there and

then they get promoted in different

places like Open AI or NATO or

something. And I'll tell you Ben Ben

Nimmo's case. So, I looked into Ben

Nimmo, and I was like, this guy is very

interesting. He starts as a

correspondent with NATO, and then he

joins NATO's press office

as an employee. He then ends up in an

American think tank, Atlantic Council.

>> [snorts]

>> And he works for, get this, Digital

Forensics Lab.

And what does Digital Forensics Lab

does? Well, they recruit little keyboard

fighters to fight Russian disinformation

on social media. So, what happens is Ben

Nimmo that just got exposed under

British military intelligence operation

running after journalists and attacking

opposition in Britain and attacking some

guy in, you know,

in Spain,

this military guy that they didn't want

to get the position. Again, their own

documents says that, not me. So, now

somebody thought it was a good idea to

take Ben Nimmo and put him as one of the

main figures in Digital Forensics Lab in

Atlantic Council so they can manipulate

American media, I guess. Now, am I

saying Ben Nimmo is the head of

everything? No, but he's one guy

involved in both operations

that do exactly this the same thing.

One in big media like these guys

and another one on social media.

But it gets better. So, yes.

Ben Nimmo

joins a Open AI. He works with them now,

and

there's another person that needs

a lot of attention, that's Peter

Pomerantsev, okay?

You come from big media. Have you ever

heard of Peter

Pomerantsev?

>> No.

>> Never, right? Well, he's very important.

He writes for biggest publications. He

writes for The Atlantic. He writes for

New York Times. He writes for all the

big like newspapers in America that you

can

>> discredited

>> Yeah, but I mean

>> organizations in the country, yeah.

>> Great, but he does that though.

>> Who is he?

>> Peter Pomerantsev is a Kiev-born Jewish

person

that somehow got British citizenship,

which is very questionable cuz I tried

to look into like how did that happen?

And I couldn't find like a

>> Ukrainian.

>> Yes, Ukrainian-born Jewish person.

Um he ends up being a British citizen.

Then he somehow ends up going to Russia

to join media sphere there.

I don't know what happened. He got

kicked out probably. I don't know what

happened, but he ends up coming back to

Britain

and starting working with the biggest

publications you can imagine. But here's

a question I have for you. As a

journalist is a America's number one

newsman, you know, when you were at Fox

or

>> Right.

>> But you are though. You were you had

most What What was your show's ratings?

>> I don't know. I never looked at

>> big, right?

>> was big, yeah. It was the It was the

biggest in cable news, but I was that

that was like being the highest Supreme

Court justice, you know.

>> [laughter]

>> Biggest in cable news, great. How many

honors and medals do you have?

>> I don't I would have to go into my

honors and medals room and I haven't

been in a while cuz my servants are

dusting it. Um

>> But do you have a a lot [laughter] of a

lot of medals and and yeah, thank you.

Thank you.

>> None.

>> Well, Peter beat you with a ton of them,

you know. He has a lot.

>> Oh, awards?

>> Awards? Yes, if we didn't didn't know.

Yes, honors and all kinds

>> heard of the guy.

>> Yeah, I know. So, um

he gets ton of honors.

>> Journalists awarding themselves his and

I've been in this 35 years this month

I've been doing this and

these people, the idea that you would

get an award I'm an award-winning

journalist really who gave you the award

on the basis of what? I mean, I've never

won any award in journalism that I know

of.

>> Exactly.

>> I would be glad not to win an award. I

don't want an award. I wouldn't accept

an award.

>> How many times have you testified in

front of Congress, UK Parliament, or

American Senate? How many times you How

many times I I want to ask you because

so interesting. How many times have you

given them advice on wars, Tucker? Or or

information

>> Uh, well, I did give Trump a lot of

advice on wars, like don't have them,

but he ignored my

>> about US Yeah, what about US Congress or

Senate?

>> hate me. They've always hated me.

>> Right?

>> Right. Our job is to focus on the people

with actual power

>> Right.

>> who are writing history in real time and

assess what they're doing and tell

our readers or viewers about it. That's

just a really simple job. And so that

your job is not to suck up to power at

all.

>> Right. I agree. Well, Peter Pomerantsev

has given plenty of advice to our

Congress and Senate. Did you know that?

>> No, I've never heard of the guy. And

he's a famous award-winning journalist?

>> Well, he's a

he's a famous honored journalist on so

many different awards, like honored is

like Yeah.

>> [laughter]

>> So [gasps] So

>> So hilarious.

>> Yes. Um

>> It's a pretty small world. I mean, I

Journalism's pretty small, yeah.

>> Yeah. So, he also, like I said, advised

>> Pomerantsev?

>> Pom- Pomerantsev. Pomerantsev. Yes.

>> Pardon, my accent doesn't allow

>> Yeah. Well,

>> accurate pronunciations.

>> I don't know. I mean, it's a it's a hard

last name, right? And um so, here is an

interesting part though. This guy

advised UK Parliament. I mean, he's

British. Why do we care? Whatever they

want to do, but he also advised

our Senate.

>> On what?

>> How to fight uh

Russian disinformation in politics and

all that. And this is a There's an

actual video. I put it up online where

he goes, "Well, the problem is that

Russians like Putin and we got we got to

address that." And I'm like,

"Wait a second. So, a Kiev-born Jewish

person is mad that Russians like Putin?

Why is that your business? Why is Excuse

my language. Why is your ass burning

that Russians like their president? Who

are you?

>> Well, that would be one of my first

questions, too.

Especially since you're speaking before

a body that is part of a purported

republic.

>> Exactly.

>> You know, where the people

rule and our whole foreign policy is

based on the deal we're bringing

so-called democracy to the rest of the

world. People should get what they want

cuz they're the owners of the country.

And so if your complaint is that the

people are getting what they want, but

you don't want them to get what they

want, so you have to change their

opinion of what they want, then you are

an enemy of democracy, aren't you? Or am

I missing something?

>> You're not missing anything. But these

are how interesting these names were,

Tucker. And if you think that Peter

Pomerantsev was the only only one with

honors in the words, let me remind you

about Jessica Aro that I

>> me just ask

Peter Pom- Pomerantsev, the

award-winning journalist from

>> Yeah.

>> Ukraine.

>> Or honor journalist. They like to call

themselves

>> Yeah, yeah, okay. So impressed. Writes

for The Atlantic, Jeff Goldberg.

>> Yes, yes, yes.

>> Um

Where does he work?

>> So he writes for biggest publications.

Like I said, he

>> But how was he connected to this effort

to that?

>> Oh, he worked for He was on an advisory

board for them.

>> Oh.

>> So he's on an advisory Here it says

advisory board and he's mentioned as an

advisor to entire network.

He's on an advisory board with like

British former military guys and stuff.

>> [laughter]

>> Wow.

>> Yes.

And

>> how much do we know about where the

money comes?

>> Oh, we know everything. We like when the

the the hack happened, we knew exactly

who was paying for the Integrity

Initiative and I should say, please

check out Max Blumenthal's work on the

money part of things because he went all

the way. Like he So it came from a

British Foreign Office.

>> Amazing.

>> Yes.

It's all documented. Like I said, I

brought everything.

>> still exist?

>> Uh no, they after they hacked, they kind

of scrambled and they re- reshaped their

operations, which I will talk about and

>> After the truth came out.

>> Yeah, after the truth came out, exactly.

So, um but another important thing is

and this directly ties to Trump

administration and why I supported

Trump. So, this woman Jessica Aro, like

Peter Pomerantsev, she's on the board,

okay? Like some Finnish girl um that no

one in Finland like and detect all these

journalists, but please remember,

they're fighting Russian disinformation,

okay? They're not attacking anyone,

they're fighting Russian disinformation.

So, this Jessica Aro was scheduled to

come to Washington and get awarded.

Did you know that?

>> No, I had no idea.

I'm never invited to these award

ceremonies.

>> Good for you.

>> [laughter]

>> That's why I'm sitting here and not

somewhere else. So, um she was scheduled

to come and get awarded. And then Trump

administration came, Trump won,

and they said, "Someone, I don't know

who it was. I can't claim something I

don't know." So, someone looked at her

past, right? And who she is and they

said, "Yeah, not today. You're not

getting awarded."

>> [laughter and gasps]

>> So,

all hell broke loose about this.

There are like domestic publications

writing, "How dare you not award Jessica

Aro? And what happened? We demand

answers." Like, "It's online. Go check."

Like all of it is online, how these you

know, crazy media agents lost their mind

over this.

And I believe the Trump administration

said, "Well, she was in something

happened. She was never in the list to

get awarded." But then

CNN was the one who broke this story

that there were communications getting

Jessica Aro ready for travel. I believe

it was CNN, but don't quote me on that.

One of the big channels broke the story

and they demanded answers. How do we

dare not award Jessica from Finland? I

swear it's all true.

>> [gasps]

>> So, I was like, why is it such a big

deal? Like, why is it such a big deal

for these journalists to get awarded and

get medals and all that? And in my

opinion, and now this is just my opinion

here.

Okay?

It's not for American stalker.

The awards are for Finnish people. So,

that she can go back home and

propagandize people by saying, "I'm an

awarded journalist from the United

States. You should trust what I say."

And when I tell you that that

poor journalist there on a salary or

whatever is a Russian agent, you must

believe it.

The awards is therefore

the the opposite of killing someone's

images, what?

Amplifying them, giving them more power.

That's why they do it.

No one cares.

>> When I tell you that Jeremy Corbyn is an

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>> They hated Jeremy Corbyn not because he

didn't say anything. He was not an

anti-semite. He wasn't even that opposed

to Israel. He's just

He was a nationalist basically.

Too much for them anyway.

>> 100%.

>> Yeah.

>> 100%.

But this gets better. And you thought it

would you couldn't get get better,

right? But it does. You have no idea.

So, after this network gets disrupted

again I urge everyone to go and see

themselves. It's all the information is

all out there. I brought all of it here.

So, after this network gets disrupted

they're like, "What do we do now?"

So, right after 1 year, 2019,

NATO designs an operation. They call it

social media experiment.

Okay?

>> And let's pause. What is NATO? North

Atlantic Treaty Organization. So, it's a

military alliance Europe It started

Western Europe opposing the Warsaw Pact,

the Soviets, the Iron Curtain.

>> Which doesn't exist anymore.

>> Well, I'm aware since

since 1991, so 25 35 years.

What is NATO now exactly?

>> It has become everything but a military

organization.

And I'm about to tell you one thing that

it does that it shouldn't do.

So, NATO has something called StratCom.

It's a strategic communication center of

excellence or something.

Where they employ different people,

including journalists. Okay?

So, NATO StratCom are journalists who

work for NATO? Yeah. Well, Ben Nimoy is

one of them. The guy who works for NATO

you're not a journalist, okay? So, just

to be clear.

>> I agree.

>> You forfeit the title.

No matter how many awards you've won.

>> Couldn't agree more.

>> Sorry.

>> No, it's absolutely.

I know, I had the same reactions. When I

was investigating this, I had to take

pauses, Tucker. I had to look at the

wall for a second. [laughter]

I'm like, what am I doing, Carol? What

are we living in a Truman Show? Because

we are. We are.

>> I know.

>> Yeah. So, NATO designs this program and

it calls it social media experiment,

okay?

What do they do? Well, they want to

fight Russian disinformation. I'm going

to say this a lot because they are

saying this a lot, right? They want to

fight Russia and Russian disinformation

and they

they said, well, we want to see if

social media platforms can be

manipulated

so the narrative can be manipulated

without detection.

Their words,

all in here, not mine. They wanted to

check if they can manipulate social

media and not be detected.

>> Damn.

>> You would think, Tucker, that some sane

person would have just raised their

hands and say, we are a military

organization, we shouldn't be doing

that.

>> [laughter]

>> Fair.

>> None of them did.

>> So, did they attempt to do that?

>> They did. The operation happened. Yeah,

they So, here's what they did. Let me

just look so I don't give you wrong

numbers, okay?

They bought

thousands of I think it was 500,000 or

something trolls, bots that you called

like when we started this show.

They they bought fake comments and

fake engagement.

>> [laughter]

[gasps]

>> So, they bought fake comments, fake

engagement, ton of bots

and they ran the operation.

And I want you to remember when it

happened in 2019, okay? This is 2019

when NATO starts this operation.

So, they contract a company

called called SingularX.

Do you know where this company is

located?

>> No.

>> Kharkiv, Ukraine.

>> Actually?

>> Actually.

>> And what year is this? 19?

>> Uh 2019.

>> Yep.

>> Yeah. So, it is located in Kharkiv,

Ukraine. It's a Ukrainian company they

contracted.

But if you're wondering like, well, that

was maybe just one contract, you know,

so what that Ukraine is, you know, at

war with Russia, they can still be

objective, right? They can still be

objective fighting Russian in in

disinformation even though they are

contracting a Ukrainian company for it.

But whatever,

it was not just one contract. NATO

constantly works with SingularX.

A Ukrainian company.

So, this is where we dive into why

people are bothered this, you know, with

with these trolls and these trolls

coming after

independent journalists and so on.

So,

after this whole thing happened,

independent journalists kind of noticed

that they're getting attacked a lot,

especially when they come after and

talk, you know, about Russia-Ukraine,

their engagement goes zero or they are

called all kinds of stuff like Russian

or

worse. I'm not going to say these

terrible things, but it happened, right?

So, no one really bothered to dive in

what company is behind this and who's

who's doing this stuff. No one even knew

that NATO is running this operation in

2019. By the way, they were absolutely

successful.

Absolutely successful.

So, they didn't have a reason to stop

the operation, okay? And then there

happened something very interesting and

I have to tie in my personal thing here

so I can explain how I got on this

trail.

Um

I'm someone like you that when I see

Russia-Ukraine, I understand the issue

just like you do and because I come from

Georgia and I I watched Russia all my

life. So

I speak about what I believe is true.

They came after me, of course, calling

me a Russian agent, similar.

And um

then I started diving into Charlie

Kirk's assassination and things got way

worse after Candace's interview and

stuff. It just went off rails with

attacks and stuff to the point where it

was already like real threats. Like with

my brothers and like real threats on

family, myself, everything. So at that

point, I'm like, okay, this is real.

This is something that you need to

report to the authorities.

Um

and I wanted to look into

who's behind this.

Who's threatening me?

Um I discovered this network, but then I

discovered also paid ops, right? Like a

paid operatives that are getting paid by

Israel and, you know, using NATO bots.

So paid operatives from Israel,

which you know with Brad Pascal.

>> Yes.

>> Are somehow protected with NATO bots

from Ukraine.

And if you doubt that they are real NATO

bots from Ukraine, let me read you

something, okay?

Uh this very important

because they themselves say they are.

Um they send me threats like

Zelenskyy sends love.

So I I don't know why would an American

bot send me that.

>> No.

>> So I have a screenshot here with that.

>> What's the connection between Israel and

Ukraine?

>> Uh

>> Or maybe better question, what's the

difference?

>> So the connection is what I've noticed

is that Ukrainian trolls come to the

rescue of Israeli um paid propagandists.

So the guy, for example, that came after

you that Times wrote about,

they would defend their guy in the

comments. So, Israeli propagandists are

pushing propaganda, and then Ukrainian

NATO bots are protecting the propaganda.

That's the connection. I don't know why

they they do that. Uh my guess is and

now off of the facts and actual guess

and what I think is going on,

Ukraine and Israel is owned by the same

people. And those are raging Zionists,

okay?

>> Yep.

>> So, yeah, and then most important part

here, we have not even gotten to the

most important part of the story.

Um one of the people that came after me,

and this is a more of a paid

propagandist side versus the bots,

uh was former Green Beret.

Like this Gary guy, I'm not even going

to say his name cuz they're looking for

real engagement and real people and real

fame. So, let's call him Gary.

He comes after me, and he just

makes these ridiculous claims, calls me

a Russian agent, accuses me of crime,

does like YouTube channels like episode

after episode of calling me, making fun

of my accent. I mean, you name it. Like

this is a nasty little,

you know.

So,

I'm like, "What's going on here? It's a

former Green Beret. Like what's going on

here?" And then I get an interesting

phone call.

And it is someone who knows Gary.

And says, "Elizabeth, I've been watching

what's going on and these attacks on

you, especially after I dived into this

investigation and Charlie Kirk and this

stuff.

And I think you need to talk to my

friend right now."

And I'm like, "Okay." He's a former

Green Beret, also special forces, and

you need to talk to him ASAP. I'm like,

"Okay." So, I call.

This guy picks up. He's like, "Oh, I

know Gary really well."

I'm like, "What's going on?" "Let me

tell you something, Elizabeth," he says.

Um so, Gary and I used to do videos

together.

And Gary himself didn't believe in

Charlie Kirk's assassination

Um so I was like, "Okay." But now he's

attacking everyone, especially Candace,

especially Candace. I mean, Candace is

like Gary wakes up for it and goes to

sleep to attack Candace, right? And

everyone else along, including you, if

you get in the way, they will come after

you, too. As as soon as you're quiet

about Charlie, he's going to be okay.

So, um

and I'm like, "Okay, what's going on?"

And he says, "Well, do you know that

when Charlie died, Gary got paid by the

DOD?"

I'm like, "Okay, so?" And that's when he

changed his narrative, he said. But

that's not all, though. So, apparently

Gary gets paid by DOD a very generous

amount of money. Gary changes the

narrative, and now Tyler Robinson is the

killer and everything is fine. Okay?

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>> Wait, so you're saying you believe the

American Department of Defense, or now

it's been renamed Department of War. I

assume that will revert to defense once

this nightmare is over, but um

once we lose yet another war. Uh

do you think they're paying Americans to

spread propaganda in the United States

specifically about the Charlie Kirk

case?

>> So, I know that Ukraine is paying them,

and I'll tell you how, but with Gary's

case, we we have these documents

>> Ukraine is paying them to do what?

>> We will get to it. Trust me. Just trust

the process. I'll get to it as soon Like

as soon as I

get there.

>> Yeah. So, um

he says Gary got paid by DOD. So, that

doesn't surprise me because, okay,

former Green Beret, maybe some contract,

maybe something, right? Um so, I'm like,

okay, but you got to give me something

better than that. And he's like, oh, oh,

we'll give you better. It's not just me

who's a former Green Beret. Like, we

have five other guys that want to talk

to you. I'm like, okay. So,

he says that when Gary got paid,

Gary stopped making videos with him and

started taking him.

So, two Green Berets are making videos,

okay?

Two Green Berets, Gary and this other

one that called me on the phone,

and said, "We both were sure that

something was wrong with the main

narrative with Charlie Kirk. All of a

sudden," he says, "I keep going with my

videos how this is unacceptable, wrong,

and Gary starts coming after me,

attacking me."

Without even a phone call or anything,

just attacking me viciously.

So, he's a man's man. He's a he's a

honorable military guy, unlike others.

And he calls him and he says, "Are you

okay, dude? What are you doing?"

And immediately Gary goes like, "I'm so

sorry. I have huge respect for you. I

will not do this again. I don't know

what happened. I'm so sorry."

>> They're all that way.

>> Right?

>> This has happened to me. You confront

them. Weak men are like that. They'll

never be straightforward with you cuz

they're too weak. I'm so sorry. I didn't

mean it that they're about attacking you

again.

>> That's exactly what happened.

>> Yeah, no, I know the species.

>> As soon as he got off the phone, like

only a few days after, he goes ahead and

sees Gary attack him again. Again and

again.

So then,

he started investigating with his

buddies, Green Berets, Navy Seals, all

of that, and they found something.

And this is where I got on a group call.

>> [laughter]

[gasps]

>> So they said, "Elizabeth, we have a huge

story for you, and someone is to put

this out."

I'm like, "Okay, I'm listening." He

says, "When Russia-Ukraine war started,

we special forces guys got some

interesting calls."

I'm like, "Okay."

"Ukrainian company called us."

They said,

"Um and they offered us money."

I was like, "For what?"

They said, "We were supposed to go on

YouTube

and glorify Ukraine, Zelensky, their

military, all this, fresh Russia, and we

would be compensated for it."

Yes.

So immediately, my reaction was,

"Please tell me you remember the

company. And please tell me you have

some proof." And he was like, "Yes, I

remember the company. We all do, and we

have the proof."

So I'm like, "Great."

Here's the offer, Tucker. These are

former special forces guys. Some don't

even have YouTube, some do.

Um and the deal was the biggest

YouTubers that they wanted, right? To

spread Ukrainian propaganda.

They would get paid some around $10,000

a video, okay? 10,000. And above that,

they would get $40,000

in uh advertisement money. So they would

be set with good advertising. That is

already 50,000 if they did just one

video a week, right? But they said you

can do as many as you want. If you want

like uh you know, 50 videos, you can do

50 videos. We'll We'll pay what for

whatever. So, um

great deal. I mean, just do your

numbers, multiply them, right? 40,000 in

ad money. And then they did they said

something very interesting.

Perks were they got to um they would get

to meet the biggest politicians in

America, like Secretary of State, for

example. And they would take flights

with them, and they would take car

rides, and so on. And that happened,

too.

By the way, I want to say Secretary of

State, this particular offer was not

this Secretary of State. We are talking

about Lloyd Austin.

>> Wow.

>> Like before, yes.

>> Yeah.

>> So, as you understand, not only they

have people at the DOD, and like not

just DOD, but in general in the American

government, and they were so secure

making this offer,

that obviously our government is

involved. Like not not again, Trump

administration. I'm talking about

previously, but the the closest offer

was only 2 years ago.

Okay?

So, the reason these people got on the

phone call with me is because they

declined the offer.

>> Did they know where the money was coming

from?

>> Yes. It was a company called United 24.

>> United 24?

>> Yes. Ukrainian company set up by

Ukrainian government.

Yes.

>> Hm.

>> So, here's an interesting thing with

United you know who provides money for

United 24?

>> Who?

>> We do.

>> The US government.

>> Well,

US everybody. So, if I wanted to donate

to them, they have a website that I go

to donate.

They got ton of money from Hollywood,

and actors and actresses all this. So,

they have our money going to them, and

they are propagandizing us with our own

money.

>> That's part of the humiliation ritual.

Yeah.

>> It's crazy.

But it gets crazier. So, like I Yeah, I

mean, it's a How Do you understand this

story was never told by anybody? Like I

can't believe I'm sitting here with you

and telling this the first time when we

have much bigger, much more powerful and

skillful journalists out there who

should have done this story.

>> No.

No, they're part of it, too.

>> So,

the boys told me they are

absolutely mad and angry at Ukrainian

company, this particular one, and

Ukrainians. And they said, "We are fed

up with them. [clears throat] Go destroy

them."

So, I'm like, "Okay, there's something

hidden, not just money offer, like

what's going on?" One of them said,

"Well, when I said no, and I said, 'Go

get yourselves,

excuse my language.'"

Um they went after his work.

So, they called the boss of this person.

You know how like when special ops guys

get out, they do like contracting work

and all kinds of So, he was doing one of

those, and they called his work, his

boss, and says, "This guy is a Russian

agent. He works for Russians. You need

to drop him."

>> What?

>> Yes.

>> Did it work?

>> No, of course not. So, the guy called

him, the boss called him up and says,

"I'm getting ton of calls about you

being a Russian agent. What's going on?"

And he says,

"I'll deal with them. Don't worry about

them."

He's not the only singular case.

They did it to every single one of them.

>> Wow.

>> Yes.

So, I'm not surprised that I'm a Russian

agent, that everyone else is a Russian

agent, and you are a Qatari agent, and

I'm not surprised anymore, because if

they have the audacity to do this to

a former special ops guy, or or a former

Navy,

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Of course. And it also means that they

accuse you,

all people are like this, of what

they're doing themselves.

So, the relentless focus on where

independent journalists are getting

their money and they're taking payment

from this or that person. I mean, I

can only speak for myself. I don't take

payment from anybody. Never have. Like,

I'm not that interested. I don't I'm not

about the money. You don't have to

believe me, but it's

You see how I live, you can tell it's

true.

And that's always coming from people who

care only about the money.

The Ben Shapiro's of the world, it's

only about the money.

So, I just find it interesting. Like why

not criticize people for their obvious

flaws? I have many obvious flaws. They

never go after me on that. It's always

the money.

It's like that's the one sin I'm not

prone to. It's like you picked the one

thing I don't do wrong.

>> [laughter]

>> It's like

>> serious.

>> Well, they are projecting, Tucker. They

are projecting and they are great at it,

too. And this is like

the second part of the story now. Now,

just I want you to imagine. So, NATO

runs this 2019

experiment. They are successful. They

themselves stated they were successful.

So, that means that

you can operate on social media

undetected, right? That was the whole

point, right?

>> Right.

>> So, and they do.

>> Well, I've never heard of it till right

now. So, it was successful.

>> it was successful. And they do. And when

you look at these accounts that are

attacking people, most of them are set

up in 2019.

The same year that NATO ran this

experiment.

>> Man.

>> So, while people think it's all Israel,

>> Yeah.

>> it's actually not just Israel. It's a

bigger monster behind this all.

>> Yes.

>> And that's NATO.

And NATO is what? Explain to me what

exactly NATO is. So, like it's a it's

interest of multiple different

countries, okay? Not just us. NATO is an

entity that we should be staying away

from. Like keep them at on arm's length.

>> have been out of NATO 35 years ago.

>> And here they are running social media

experiments attacking American

journalists.

And they feel so secure

that they know nothing will happen to

them. They made fun of me. I said, "I'm

going to report you to the FBI." And

they literally laughed at it. How did

FBI go with you? Like how did that like

how did it turn out?

By the way, I did that. So,

when the attacks amplified and it became

absolutely like unbearable where I need

to do my job,

I called up a friend of mine and I said,

"Um you worked with the FBI before. I

need an active agent, someone you trust,

and I need a guy with balls because

what's going to happen is when he

escalates this case, someone is going to

shut him up because no way this case

goes like, you know."

>> No.

>> No way. So, he said, "I've got the guy."

So, this guy reaches out to me and I had

my

uh former detective NYPD detective talk

to him because they warned me, "Don't

talk to the FBI. They will do what they

did to Flynn. So, don't do that." So, I

got a professional former, you know,

detective talk to them and he said,

"Well, yeah, this is a serious matter.

We have some foreign sources, some

Ukrainian, Georgian, and NATO trolls

that are taking American journalists and

we have somebody from the inside that

doesn't care and this is this is keep

going on. Like the FBI needs to get on

this case and figure out who are the

journalists here, who are the people

here allowing this to happen."

>> Yes.

>> Right? Cuz there are people. This person

that offered all these benefits and

money to American soldiers

was living in San Francisco,

not in Ukraine.

Okay?

By the way,

I forgot. We have proof. We have a Zoom

call with them.

>> A Zoom call? What does it show?

>> Everything.

The Zoom call shows how they offer the

person, these military people, 10K, 40K

for additional whatever advertisements,

um and it shows how they say you will

have all these benefits.

>> And that money comes from NATO?

>> No, no. That money comes from United 24.

With that we donate. The money for the

trolls that uh like this 2019

experiments that was ran with Ukrainian

company

comes from NATO.

Does it make sense?

>> It does.

>> So it's multiple different fronts. This

is why

>> part elements of it don't make sense. So

here's the story Americans were

presented 5 years ago when the

Russia-Ukraine thing started to move

toward war. Here you have this

independent noble little country called

Ukraine and they are threatened by these

expansionists

to their east this communist country

called Russia with this bloodthirsty

dictator Vladimir Putin running it.

And so we're on the side of the underdog

the little guy.

>> Right.

>> And this is an outgrowth of that story.

But what doesn't make sense is why would

they get involved in the Charlie Kirk

story? What does that have to do with

anything?

>> Thank you for asking that.

>> Why would the Ukrainians have an opinion

on that?

>> I don't

>> I've stayed out of it and I knew him

well and but I

Whatever, but the Ukrainians I mean

maybe they've heard of Charlie Kirk but

why are they weighing in on it? I I'm

now I'm legit confused.

>> Yeah, so

90% of Ukrainians I I can say this with

all certainty don't even know who

Charlie Kirk is.

>> Of course.

>> And if they've heard of him they never

even listened to one debate or

interview. They don't care.

>> in English by the way.

>> yes.

>> [laughter]

>> Not their language. Right.

>> Yeah, they don't care. So

I don't understand why would Ukrainian

trolls and they are Ukrainian and

Georgians who are threatening me

personally. I can talk about my case. I

don't have to talk about yours or other

cases and speculate, right? So they are

sending me Zelensky's love

openly by the way and calling me all

kinds of names in Russian and Ukrainian

the same close language. All of this so

I I know for a fact they are Ukrainian

and Georgian trolls not just Ukrainian

by the way. What I don't know is what

they are covering for Israel when

Israeli propagandists go out there

attacking people and what I don't know

is why they are

attacking people who question Charlie

Kirk's assassination.

So, the only country

>> But, you know for a fact they are.

>> The for effect for effect that they are.

>> just like one of the weirdest things

I've heard in a long time. Of course, if

we're being totally honest, it it's not

weird at all. I would expect it because

I can feel that there's a connection,

but I I couldn't explain it.

>> Yeah.

>> It doesn't shock me that I mean, the

ties between Ukraine and Israel

are subtle.

I think both countries of governments

have gone out of their way to downplay

their connection.

Pretty clear they're

very closely connected.

And but and Charlie Kirk like I have I

could never explain why that doesn't

shock me, but if I'm being honest, it

really doesn't. This all This is much

bigger than Charlie Kirk's murder than

Russia's special military operation

invasion of Ukraine, whatever.

Warn Iran. I mean, it it's all of a

piece. It's the same people.

>> Same people. The same narrative, same

accusations, Tucker. Can Can we get real

for a second?

>> Of course.

>> So,

I I used to think that Trump betrayed us

badly. Like I used to think that all of

us were Maga, we were showing I was the

biggest supporter. I got in trouble like

laying on Biden in in country of Georgia

getting on a show. They came after me.

They sent people at my door, literally.

So,

I was one of the biggest Trump fighters,

okay? So, I know exactly what what Maga

was supposed to be and stood for, right?

All of us knew.

Then this whole thing happens and I'm

like, "Oh my gosh, he betrayed us." But,

now I after investigating this, I don't

think so.

So, I think the goal was

this global is this NATO people and

British intel that's running this

integrity initiative secretly and

Jessica Aros in Finland like just think

about this for a second. We're talking

about British intelligence,

British-funded operation that extends in

almost every country.

But then when you look into it, all of a

sudden you discover actually it's not

really Britain because they are also

getting funds from Atlantic Council,

they are also getting funds from NATO.

So, it's like an almost like a world

organization. And they they they they

are running their operation everywhere.

Again, their own chart says what

countries they run to this operation.

And it's everywhere. Okay? So, this

cabal looks at Trump and everyone

aligned with Trump, which is you,

Candace,

and Charlie,

and all these people, Marjorie Taylor

Greene, Thomas Massie,

and they get scared.

They're like, "Okay, if these people are

allowed to do what they're coming to do,

60-plus year of work is done."

So, what I think happened here

is they said, "We have to do what we do

the best, divide and conquer."

We got to isolate Trump. One by one we

going to destroy these MAGA people and

put our operatives in. This is what I

would do if I was the bad guy cuz

there's a force coming at me that will

destroy my life's work.

You are anti-NATO. Not anti-NATO, but

you are for

This is not the no

>> Passionately anti-NATO.

>> Passionately Thank you. Me, too.

>> [clears throat]

>> It's a

It's a threat to the sovereignty of my

country that I was born in. Like, NATO

hurts the United States and a lot of

other people.

>> Yes, I agree.

>> Killing Gaddafi, like what? What does

that have to do with keeping the Soviets

out of Germany? Like, this whole thing

is so bonkers.

>> Yeah.

>> No, I'm passionately opposed to NATO

because I'm pro-American.

>> Yeah. And so was Charlie.

>> Right.

Any normal person, like what's

Yeah, what do I care about NATO?

>> about it. Think about this, Tucker. So,

they see this, right?

>> army?

What? No. Why would I ever support

something like that? Oh, shut up. How

about no?

>> Yeah, how about no?

>> Yeah. Anyway, so so

>> But but no no, you're right. And they

knew that okay, they assess the

situation, right? And I often thought

about why are you alive? No offense. Or

why why is Candace alive even though

they want to kill her. So, I'm looking

at this and I'm I'm seeing

>> We've had some close calls. Um

>> [laughter]

>> That's true. They almost got you in

Ukraine, right? Like But yeah, but they

look at the force that's coming to

Tucker. This This very important. And

they see it and they're like, if Trump

is allowed to come in with these people,

these people, like the maga people,

they're going to leave NATO. We're

screwed. Without the United States, what

is NATO? Absolutely nothing,

right? Like nothing. So, they're going

to leave NATO. They will stop Ukrainian

war.

In Russia, they're going to talk to

Putin and with all these people next to

Trump, Trump will make the right

decision.

Uh we will never get Iran. That will

never happen. So, that was the plan, you

know this. For the longest time Israel

wanted to get into Iran war. Like they

wanted us in the Iran war.

Even they themselves say that. So, it's

not a conspiracy theory that Elizabeth

Lane is putting out.

>> Yeah. It's just the opposite. They've

been talking about it openly in my

presence for 30 years so. Yeah, no.

>> Yeah. So, what happened though, Tucker?

You do the math. What happened? What

happened? They out said Marjorie Taylor

Greene. They out said Thomas Massie. Um

I I wish we had a video of someone

saying, "Oh yeah, it was me sending bat

about Tucker to President Trump."

Oh, that's right. That was Laura Loomer.

Right, right. So,

what they did is they absolutely

poisoned this man against everyone that

was dangerous.

>> Of course. And who actually supported

his program.

>> Exactly. Exactly. So, as you know, with

all these tools that you just looked at,

all of these tools, how hard it is to

put someone in a Truman Show?

One person. Once you isolate him all

from all the friends and the lies that

he has.

>> But of course.

>> I always say this. We

>> in an assistant who only feel feeds him

pre-masticated lies.

>> Exactly.

>> And you control his brain. They may have

done that.

>> 100% and the information war is the most

important war. So,

one more thing I want to say

you can be the best, most honest

president in the world. You can be the

best soldier in the world and if someone

puts a wrong intel in front of you and

wrong information, you will go nowhere.

Are you Do you agree with that?

>> I agree, but I mean I talked to Trump

about it so much and I know that um he

knew exactly what was going to happen

and he did it anyway. And so I just

don't buy that explanation.

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah.

>> So, you are saying that he knew exactly

what was going to happen?

>> what the risks were. I think he

convinced himself that

as soon as he killed the Ayatollah, the

country would collapse and we'd get some

pro-Western leader or king or something.

>> Yeah.

>> But um no, no, he was very very aware of

what the risks were. I I talked to him

about it so I know that. So, I think the

mechanism of control

you know, was probably a little more

direct than what you're describing, but

in general I think

uh I think you're absolutely right. He

lives in a biosphere where no new

information comes in and like you can

only see,

you know,

>> [snorts]

>> Mark Levin or

>> Well, it's not even

>> Marco Rubio or

>> Exactly. Exactly. By the way, they love

Marco Rubio. These these guys

uh they hate J.D. Vance and I brought

that, too. So, they are afraid of J.D.

Vance for some reason. Um I like I said

>> Why do you know that? How do you know

that?

>> Like I said, I've been watching them

talk her for like when I did this

investigation, I took down if someone

wants it. By the way, I took down every

account who's related to who, who

reshares who, why, what kind of text.

So, they have this wave of campaigns,

right?

Um and this is something I want to also

mention. So, I threatened Gary with Gary

with a lawsuit.

And as soon as they heard that I was

going to sue, by the way, I'm not going

to sue. My my priest said

we're Christians and we're not going to

fight demons, that's God's work. So,

like you need to do what's your work and

they can destruct you with all of this

and they shouldn't. So, you do what what

is assigned to you.

Let God take care of these demons,

right?

>> Amazing and wonderful advice. That's the

best advice.

>> Yeah. So, he was like, "Come to me in

this like

monastery and by the time you leave,

you'll know the answer." And he was

right. I know the answer. But when I did

that, when I sued threatened to sue,

swarm of Ukrainian trolls came after me

saying like, "You will be famous for the

reasons you don't want to." I mean, from

kill you to will destroy you to all of

it. Like everything was there. Every

threat you can imagine, okay?

Um but then, someone else showed up on

the radar, which is also very important.

His name is Ryan Mauro.

I didn't see the connection and you

asked for what is this Ukrainian and

Zionist connection? Like the the the,

you know, Israeli connection. Well, you

know that Ryan is a raging Zionist. You

know, he was like super Israeli,

pro-Israeli supporter and he also was a

very big supporter of Lindsey Graham.

Um Ryan gets into my

>> How could you support Israel when

they're committing genocide?

It's like being pro-Nazi. Like, what?

How could you have someone even say that

out loud? And how could you be

pro-Lindsey Graham? I mean, maybe you

like the guy. I always liked him as a

person. He's nice guy, funny guy. But

like

>> him.

>> Just as a You know, he's like I

I dined with Lindsey Graham many times

and always enjoyed myself, but like he

was a death worshiper. How could you be

for that? I don't understand.

>> Exactly. Well, you know the ties that he

had with Ukraine, right? Like Ukraine

and you know, Lindsey Graham was the

biggest supporter for Ukraine. At the

same time, he was a supporter of Israel.

So, something with this Ukraine and

Israel is very connected and again, they

are under the same people, but Ryan

Mauro is great example for it. But here

is how this like this is such a big web,

Tucker, and someone needs to untangle it

and I don't know why people are not

trying. So,

Ryan Mauro gets into my personal

messages.

>> Who is Can you just For those who don't

know who he is, Ryan Mauro?

>> Mauro, yeah.

>> Is he He runs a think tank?

>> Well, he has a nonprofit that is tied to

this bigger nonprofit. So, it's it's

like 8 million a year or something and

this is how they maneuver around like

this operatives, right? So, they are

tied to Atlantic Council, they are tied

to NATO. They have their own nonprofit,

so they get paid paid through the

nonprofits and donations that can no one

can track. So, Ryan Mauro is one of the

operatives that has Mauro Institute that

is tied to this bigger nonprofit. God

knows how he gets paid, but

>> He named it after himself, the Mauro

Institute?

>> Yeah, Mauro Institute.

>> That's hilarious.

>> So, [laughter]

but here is something that I want you to

pay attention.

So, this is Ryan

tagging a Georgian troll here

saying that he worked with this

particular account

to dive into me and find out some

information, okay?

So,

um

here's an interesting story that will

tie everything in for you in a second.

>> Interesting.

>> So, Ryan takes this accounts that he

worked with these people. And I'm like,

okay, great. Ryan is also the one

protecting Green Beret Gary that is

attacking Candace and me over Charlie

Kirk.

But Ryan is has nothing to do with

Charlie Kirk. Like Ryan is a separate

actor against Russia.

>> guy, yeah.

>> Exactly. Well, should be for a foreign

policy guy. So, he's a protecting Gary

telling me not to sue Gary.

And he's like, "Elizabeth, this is not

going to end well for you. Like

we're not afraid of you." So, um after

that

um this was against so because I was

going after their little propagandist

Gary, right? Like I'm going after Gary

and Jan, like the producer, who

mysteriously appeared with Gary after

Charlie died. By the way, this guy has a

tiny YouTube channel that he's

monetizing or whatever and has a

producer, which is weird because all the

other guys that got the same offer from

Ukraine said, "Elizabeth, we don't have

producers and we're like three times

bigger than Gary. So, how does this guy

all of a sudden gets a producer after

Charlie dies?" He changed the narrative,

gets paid by DOD. And it just like the

the proof lines up. Like you just tell

me what you need, I'll give you about

this guy, right? Like the money's there,

all of a sudden gets a weird producer.

We look into this producer and her

friends are hugging Syrsky in Ukraine.

Yes, it's all on her freaking LinkedIn.

We didn't even need to dig hard. So, he

reshares family Zelenskyy's family, she

reshares Zelenskyy's family with hearts,

loves, all of that and her friends that

are hugging Syrsky in Ukraine. All of a

sudden this woman ends up as a Gary's

producer without without producing

experience, okay? Just ends up as a

Gary's producer.

Gary changes the story all of a sudden.

Tyler should be put on a death row

because he killed Charlie Kirk,

whatever. Goes after Candace, me, and

everyone that ever challenged the

narrative.

These Green Berets reach out to me, tell

me what's going on, right? The story

that we just ended with. Then Ryan Mauro

out of nowhere

comes and starts to persuade me why I

shouldn't sue Gary.

And if I do, it it will end bad for me.

I'm going to I'm going to be the loser

in that. And then I started diving to

Ryan Mauro and what the connection is.

He's such an idiot stalker that he

writes me that Gary shows personal

messages to him. Again, please

understand these people should not be

related in any shape and form. Do you

show your personal messages to random

people?

>> Not one person ever.

>> Right.

>> Cuz they're personal.

>> Yeah. So I have this documented him

writing me that Gary shows personal

messages to Ryan Mauro. I'm like, okay,

what is what the heck is going on here?

So then I do this investigation and I

put out some of it online and Ryan loses

it. Like this investigation into

Ukrainian trolls, NATO, all this.

He just loses it.

What's your beef with this?

Right? So then he starts um he stalls

attack me and these trolls that he he

tagged

I go after them to figure out who they

are and I do. And I find one of them, a

Georgian troll, this one.

You don't need to read the name, but

just so you know.

And here's what I have to show you about

that.

So

I find that guy.

Okay?

>> Former intern at the Ministry of Foreign

Affairs of Georgia.

>> Yes. Yes.

>> Graduate of Caucasus University in

International Relations. Okay.

>> So but here's the best part, Tucker.

So they put out my high school ID from

Georgia. Like for everyone to see. I

don't know why they thought like that

would intimidate me. Like I don't care.

Like you can put out whatever you want,

but

I knew that Georgian was involved

because no one can get the hands on that

particular document without knowing like

Georgian systems or so on. So I pushed

them on something that's very sensitive.

They will do anything not to for people

not to find out that military

intelligence is behind this, they will

do anything. So, I publicly started

stating, "I know you work with

intelligence. I know you work with

intelligence." And they got so pressured

by it that this troll that Ryan tagged

to be working with put out how he found

my ID.

What is wrong with this screenshot? Can

you tell me what's wrong with this

screenshot?

Can you read it?

>> I don't know.

>> You can't read it, right?

>> [laughter]

>> It's not in our alphabet, Elizabeth.

>> Thank you.

So, it's in Georgian, Tucker. Remember,

they're supposed to be

>> like Sanskrit, by the way. [laughter]

Did you know that?

>> No, I didn't know that cuz I grew up

with it, so it doesn't look weird to me,

but um

So,

this puts out how the entire

process, by the way, screenshot by

screenshot.

Apparently, an American

This guy's supposed to be American. He

says he's a proud American on his

profile, okay? So, [laughter]

this so-called American not only reads

Georgian and writes, but he can

absolutely go through a very complex

website

in Georgian. How many Americans do you

know that can do that?

>> I mean, I I feel like I know a lot more

about Georgia than your average

American, and I don't think I'd ever

seen the alphabet before. And it's Yeah,

no.

>> It gets better. So, I confront him

directly. I I find him. I call Georgian

journalists, and I'm like, "I want

everything on this guy."

And I know because I grew up in Georgia

and I was born there,

I know a lot of journalists in Georgia.

So, I call them up and I say, "I want

every single detail on this guy because

he's a part of my investigation." And I

just realized that there are NATO trolls

that contract Ukrainian company, which

is again, all documented, and seems like

they also work with Georgian trolls, and

I need to know everything. So, they gave

me everything. And I directly confronted

the guy, wrote him. I said, "I know what

you're doing and I will get to Georgia

and deal with you myself.

Guess what happens? Ryan Mauro panics

and takes a Ukrainian mercenary

on a post telling me

"What did you say would happen to

Georgians?"

question mark.

So, meaning he's Georgians. He's

Georgian trolls. And he tags an

Ukrainian mercenary accused of war

crimes.

>> How does Ryan Mauro know a Ukrainian

mercenary accused of war crimes?

Does he live in like Arlington or

something?

This is bizarre.

>> This is what's happening, Tucker. I have

all the evidence for it and he tags it

and I immediately, when he did that, I

re-tagged his post and tagged J.D. Vance

on it. And I said

"Vice President?

An active attack on a journalist,

American journalist,

using Ukrainian mercenary and Georgian

trolls by another American from

Florida."

He panicked when I tagged

the the Vice President on it. He

panicked because they don't like him.

They hate J.D. for some reason. So, he

panics and he writes me something like

this.

>> They hate J.D. Are you serious?

>> They hate J.D. They hate J.D. Vance cuz

they all I will give you like post that

I print of the same people trashing him.

They called him rotten brain

um

diarrhea something. I mean, horrible

stuff. So, here, just so that you know

I'm talking the truth.

This is what he wrote and tagged that

guy on. The the uh

um Ukrainian mercenary, okay?

>> Mhm.

>> So, as you can see, that's exactly

the the Georgian is mentioned right

there. Georgia. So, as soon as I tagged

J.D. Vance on it, he panics and he

re-corrects himself and says, "Well, I

didn't want to threaten you. I only did

it because you threatened the

Georgians." I was like, "Ryan, 10

minutes ago, there were no Georgian

trolls. Are you admitting you work with

them?"

>> So, Moro is part of this much larger

network.

>> Yeah, he's a tiny piece, but yes.

>> He's a tiny piece. Yeah, I just happen

to know who he is, but most people I've

never heard of.

Um and they hate J.D. Vance, you said.

They're afraid of J.D. Vance, and you

see that as a coordinated message across

all these different

networks.

>> Yes.

>> Um

any idea why?

Cuz he's not a globalist, that's why.

>> That's why. Yeah, he

>> That is the threat. It's not about

Israel or the Ukraine war or Charlie

Kirk's murder

individually. It's about It's a whole

worldview. And if you're against control

of the world

by oligarchs who hate Christianity, then

you're not on the team, and you must be

destroyed.

>> Exactly. And they always um they have

these operatives that like fake

Christians.

They will always like come at you with

Oh, yeah. Like they will come at you

with Bible verses and stuff like that.

And at the same time, they operate

trolls that put up

my fellow journalist's dead brother

and said, "Your brother is in hell."

online.

The same people who come at you with

Bible verses.

>> They celebrate Zelenskyy

>> Yes.

>> and Smotrich. I mean, Zelenskyy

put priests and nuns in jail and raided

churches and closed monasteries and

banned the country's largest Christian

denomination. That's a fact. That just

happened. I mean, it's happening now.

How could Christians support that? How

could Christians support

the Israeli government which is

murdering Christians in Lebanon, the

only Middle Eastern country with a

Christian president? Like it's it's so

uh not what I would have expected at

all.

>> They also bombed,

you know,

Jewish synagogue.

>> Right.

>> So, I mean, this is why I don't believe

that they they believe any of this.

Like, they they are not religious in

reality. They serve much darker forces.

And they just want everyone that's a

believer or believes in whatever God

destroyed.

>> I think that's right.

>> Yeah.

>> And they clearly, just to zoom out for 1

second, I mean, clearly

if you connect all of this stuff, all

the the wars since 9/11, 9/11 itself,

the thread that connects all of it is

the destruction of the United States.

It's obvious to me that the goal You

couldn't push the president of the

United States into a war that we cannot

win, that best-case scenario eliminates

dollar dominance globally,

and hikes energy prices to a point where

people

starve to death in Africa and go broke

in the United States. Like, you couldn't

do that

if you were

supporting the US. Like, this seems like

an effort to wreck the United States.

That's what it seems like to me.

>> It's an effort to take United States

out.

>> You think

>> The

that I investigated suggests just that.

They want to take the United States out.

It used to be a cash cow.

And they know that the United States

will no longer

can sustain to be a cash cow. So, they

want it out of the game completely.

That's exactly where we are.

>> I wouldn't have believed that 5 years

ago, but it's so obvious if you ignore

what they say and watch what they do,

which is the only way to understand

anything.

I think you're right. They understood

The United States has reached the end of

its useful life

as a host.

>> Couldn't agree more.

And that's very dangerous for people for

like us who live here.

>> I agree with that.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

Yeah, amazing. Okay, sorry. I just um

you've So, you've thought of this.

>> That's what I've been doing for the last

2 months. Like, all I do is I believe

this network is extremely important. I

know

I know people think it's hard to track

them down, and I know that people have

this idea. I told you like people have

this idea that they won. They've

infiltrated the United States. They have

people in the highest positions.

Obviously, when Ukraine says to our

military, "We'll pay you, and above

that, you can get rides and flights with

the Secretary of State." Yeah, they do

have people in the highest positions.

Otherwise, they cannot state things like

that.

>> Right. So, but just I mean, so the

previous administration opens the

borders to the world,

keeps the welfare state in place, bank

completely bankrupts the country. As if

it wasn't bankrupt enough, how about

another war for Israel that you

literally cannot win that just disarms

you? We can't continue the Iran war

because we have no more defensive We Our

stock of defensive missiles is so low.

>> Exactly.

>> So, what are you watching here? You're

watching a a country being bankrupted,

destroyed, totally chaotic domestically

because of mass migration.

I I I don't see that any of that could

be an accident. These are not dumb

people. Like, they know what they're

doing, right?

>> They know exactly what they're doing.

And that's why most operatives that I

just named to you that are doing this

And again, you looked at it, you read it

yourself.

You don't know.

That's the crazy part. Most people that

are working on these levels, you have no

idea who they are.

And that is the key.

But I said this before, if you want to

get to the king, start with a drug

dealer in the streets, and he will lead

you to the mafia boss. And that's what I

did here. I was like, "Okay, why is this

person attacking like Tucker Carlson?"

What's going on here? Then he led me to

another one, then another one. Then all

of a sudden he led me to a a real face,

a propagandist that's attacking me.

His friends are calling me, "Well, we

know what the deal with this guy is. Let

me let let us educate you." And all

these like layers just all of a sudden

got uncovered. It's not that hard. It's

not that hard. Follow these pieces and

they will lead you to this answer.

Yeah.

>> It's it's horrif- it's horrifying.

>> It is.

>> It also means, I should say, cuz I care,

it means the destruction of Europe.

>> Absolutely.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. You Well, like I said, like Europe

is a

Europe with Russia is a threat to these

people.

>> Yeah.

>> Because if Europe is thriving with

Russian cheap energy, then they don't

have the control. You can't control

people who have nothing, you know, like

who have nothing to be afraid of. Right?

Right? Like you can't control people who

are well-off. They don't They are not

afraid to lose their jobs. They are not

afraid for like

any threats. You can't control them. The

only way you can control them is to put

them in the state of Ukraine.

Like Ukraine is today.

It's a country without rules, without I

mean, they are operating these trolls

and domestically people who are allowing

it are not afraid. They laugh at the

FBI. What, you going to arrest some

Ukrainian troll? Good luck with that.

>> I love the word Ukrainian though. I

mean, it makes it sound like

that your average Ukrainian, like the

Ukrainian people, are for It's like the

Russian Revolution. We were taught the

Russians, you know, overthrew the Tsar,

destroyed the monarchy.

Like no Russians involved. And it

doesn't seem like there are any

Ukrainians involved in this. It seems

like outsiders, people who are not

in any meaningful way Ukrainian.

>> Not at all. And the Ukraine

>> itself is being totally destroyed.

>> Yes. They are dragging people off the

streets and putting in the you know in

the vans to send them

off to the front lines. So usually

Ukrainians must die so that globalists

can get their states. That's what's

going on.

That's what's going on.

>> How obvious is that

to the rest of the world do you think?

>> Not obvious obviously not enough.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> I'm sorry I interrupted your

>> No no no it's a

>> Your explanation I just was keep

thinking like what's the point of what

could possibly be the point of

destroying global energy supplies?

Like I what what are you doing?

>> Yeah I mean it's

>> They're clearly doing something and it's

not about the Iranian nuclear program

and it's not about you know the oblasts

in eastern Ukraine. It's definitely not

about that.

>> Well you remember what the globalist

agenda how well do you know these

globalists? Do you know them?

Do you know what they're

>> life around these people but I never

took seriously or seriously enough like

the

you know when you would see these

reports from the WEF conference

and you'd be like this sounds a little

nutty. Really like Klaus Schwab if

you've met Klaus Schwab he's like this

elderly kind of semi senior it's just

sad person. He's not running anything

and I just thought oh it's overstated

people are being paranoid.

And now I I guess I don't feel that way

is it's all becoming real.

>> It is all becoming real and I think they

took that because we started ignoring

this and oh he the look at Klaus Schwab

what an old like irrelevant

>> Well that that ignorance of ours mine

too

got us here where they are actually

controlling NATO today and are doing

these kind of stuff that we've never

heard of.

>> And the American tax dollars are going

to propagate foreign propaganda in my

country.

>> Yes.

>> And the first amendment is basically

gone in real life. You don't have

freedom of speech obviously in this

country and the second amendment can you

really defend yourself? Not not that I

can tell.

>> No and like

>> core freedoms are are

>> gone.

>> Yeah.

>> Gone.

So, like I said, I I believe that you

know, we are right now wrestling with

these people at the edge of the the

cliff. And it's not that they are ahead

of us or you know, we are ahead of them.

No, we are wrestling at the edge of the

cliff and one of us will go over.

And what decides that is how fast we

wake up to things like this.

So, what it what started as a completely

innocent whatever trolls, a completely

innocent troll doesn't exist, but

whatever a harassment, targeted

harassment online turned out to be a

whole full-blown operation like few

years ago, many of them. In Integrity

Initiative, NATO's 2019

deal and all of a sudden we have

Ukrainian company reaching out to our

former special forces saying, you have

to spread propaganda for us and if you

don't, we will get you fired.

What started innocently led to that.

>> Can you just go through a list cuz I cuz

we can't know anybody's true motive.

Most people don't even understand their

own motives. Like we don't know

ourselves that well. But we can look at

their behavior and then make inferences,

judgments on the basis of it. So,

they're

attacking anyone who

isn't for like continuing the Ukraine

war. They're attacking anyone who's

>> Everyone that's anti-war. Everyone. It

doesn't matter if it's Ukrainian war.

So, they attacked everyone with

Ukrainian war, Iran war, any war.

If you are anti-war, you will get hacked

get attacked by these people. That's

guaranteed.

>> If you've got questions about Charlie

Kirk's murder,

>> 100% They are most vicious about that.

>> I think that's just the weirdest thing

I've ever heard. And I'll leave it to

others to figure out why, but I think

that's just amazing and very freaking

revealing.

Like what?

>> Yeah.

>> If I'm them, if I'm running like an op

on behalf of Zelensky, I'd be like,

"Yeah, let's take a pass on like some

domestic story in the United States

that's got nothing to do with us

whatsoever." That would be my take.

Like, why muddy our mission with that?

What does it have to do with anything?

One of these is not like the others.

That's the one. That is bizarre. But,

you're positive that's true.

>> That is true, absolutely. But, like,

provably true.

>> Provably true.

>> Yeah.

>> I think you've already proved it.

>> Yeah.

>> Um [clears throat]

so, War, Charlie Kirk, Ginny Vance.

>> Ginny Vance.

>> What about Trump?

>> Oh, they are taking Trump. The door,

yes. So, so with Trump, they are much

smarter than um and on Trump, again, if

anyone wants, I can provide ton of

screenshots and evidence. This is all I

did. So, I've noticed that every single

time Trump go goes off rails and kind of

detaches from their agenda and goes back

to MAGA. Like, for example, let's make a

deal with Iran, let's make this, let's

make

the slander starts. Like, yes, you the

bigger ones, you saw what Laura Loomer

did.

What, did he took Trump's side? No.

He did She didn't.

>> I I didn't actually see what that person

did.

>> [laughter]

>> good for you.

>> I didn't I didn't

>> No one should pay attention. But, these

people who are

>> But, what did that person do?

>> Well, they they they trashed Trump, they

criticized Trump. Like, for what?

>> Recently?

>> Not recently. When the first deal

happened. Remember like when um

What was it?

I forget the date, but the first time we

actually made the peace suggestion with

with Iran.

>> Oh, but in the last year she trashed

Trump.

>> exactly. And then later, it was again

the same propagandists, the same people.

Uh I remember you had a show about it

when you said we didn't even consult

with Israel.

>> Yeah.

>> And that infuriated him. That these

people.

>> Really?

>> Yes. Again, documentedly

they went completely off rails attacking

everyone including Trump, JD, and they

called JD the worst negotiator

good negotiator of some sort. Yes. And

they were upset that JD Vance, by the

way, this Georgian troll as well. The

Georgian one that I found

has no beef

with with Vice President of the United

States yet he's pushing out things like

why are we sending JD Vance anywhere?

>> [laughter]

>> We?

>> Yes.

Yes.

>> You're in Tbilisi, son. Sit this

one [laughter] out.

>> Exactly. Exactly.

>> Exactly.

So again, documentedly I have the face

of the guy. I know who he works for, and

you will be surprised or maybe not to

know that he works for an American

company, private company.

Um

for the person

that used to be part of the same

nonprofits.

>> [laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> And led led Saakashvili's bloody

revolution.

>> I'm not surprised at all.

>> Yes.

>> Who do they like?

>> They like Marco Rubio.

>> They do?

>> Yeah. They they they Marco's going to be

I don't know about much about Marco

Rubio. I don't know him personally. So

I'm not going to sit here criticize or

praise him. I

>> just want to know what this network of

propagandists, and it's literally

network they're coordinated obviously.

>> They they they love Marco so much that

they want to deport me as an agent,

Tucker, and they take Marco. Every time

they want to deport me, they go with

Marco Rubio. Hey, Marco Rubio, can you

just deport Elizabeth Lane? She's a

Russian agent.

>> You're an American citizen.

>> I am, and I've been American citizen for

a long time now, but they want to deport

me anyway.

I guess I'm I'm ruffling feathers. And

[laughter]

>> So they they ask Marco Rubio to deport

you.

>> Oh, yes. I don't know if you got my

>> But these people that

the people you've described love Marco

Rubio.

>> They do.

They always uh Marco. They never go

after him and they always tag him on

everything.

Yeah.

They They are very scared and this is a

fear. I I can say this with full

responsibility. They are scared of J.D.

Vance.

And exposing themselves to J.D. Vance.

They never tag him on anything, but they

attack him all the time.

Like they have campaigns of attacks and

I want to say something about this

Michael Weiss guy because it ties into

integrity.

>> Michael Weiss.

>> Weiss. Excuse me. Yeah, my

>> No, no, it's You're doing well. You I

don't know how many languages you speak.

[laughter] I speak one, so.

>> Thank you. So, Michael [clears throat]

Weiss

um

he's a very interesting figure and this

is how all of it ties

>> I don't I don't know who Michael Weiss

is.

>> You know, he's supposed to be a

journalist, Tucker.

>> a Is he an award-winning journalist?

>> Uh you know, I I have not looked into

his [laughter] awards, Tucker.

>> to assume guys like that have won a lot

of awards.

>> Right. Well, his friend does. You know

who's who he's friend is?

>> Who?

>> Peter Pomerantsev, from this famous

board that we started with. Oh, yes. So,

Michael Weiss and Peter Pomerantsev

authored a piece together that became

NATO's StratCom's like and Atlantic

Council's like a doctrine piece

on Russia.

>> Seriously?

>> Seriously.

They authored the piece together

on Russia and disinformation or

something like that.

>> own Russia, I've noticed. Guys like

that.

>> Yeah, they do. They They They are always

the ones that organizations like NATO

and others always like

kind of

you know, address to comment on Russia

and stuff like that, which is very I I

just don't get it. I don't understand it

because they know nothing about Russia

really.

>> [laughter]

>> So.

>> But there's a sense of entitlement like

Russia's ours and it's fallen into alien

hands or it's like, "What? You've got

>> Yeah.

>> You're from You're not from Russia. Like

what are you talking about?"

>> None of them are.

Yeah.

>> But do you Do you feel that? I mean

there's an emotional intensity

that suggests ownership, lost ownership,

like it's been stolen from them.

>> Very true. I don't know. It's very

weird.

>> thing I've ever seen. I don't feel that

way about any country, including ones my

ancestors came from. I just like, okay,

it's your country. I don't want my

country to be taken, however. I don't

want to lose my first and second

amendments.

>> Right.

>> You know?

>> Yeah. No, I I agree with you and it it

is I don't know

why they feel like they they own Russia

or they should own Russia, but they do.

Like I said, Peter Pomerantsev came in

front of our Senate saying, "We should

do something about Russians liking

Putin."

I'm like, "Are you serious?

Why should you do anything about that?

Can you just move on?

Your country is Ukraine."

>> business?

>> Yeah. And this is like before there was

no like conflict or anything. Like, it's

not even your country. Leave, dude. You

chose British citizenship. Go live in

Britain.

>> Yeah, they they don't care about

countries.

Um so, that's interesting, really

interesting. And so, Michael Weiss wrote

a piece with him that is now used in

effect as doctrine by NATO?

>> Yeah, so by Atlantic Council and NATO.

So, this is a famous piece like I

I urge everyone to look up because they

partnered up on this and this connection

was big for me because I didn't know I

knew that Michael Weiss was trashing

J.D. Vance wrote an article about me

and all this like maga trashing comes

from this guy a lot. But here's an

interesting part. Please follow this

story. Michael Weiss is constantly

reshared by this Georgian troll I found,

constantly.

Tucker, I you know a lot at this point

about Georgia, but

trust me when I tell you no one in

Georgia knows who Michael Weiss is.

>> Well, I didn't know who he was, right?

>> Why is a Georgian

troll or influencer or whatever reshares

Michael Weiss articles like a like

almost it's it's his job

for the engagement, right? For Michael

Weiss to be constantly He's one of them.

They got thousands like that. So, the

point is these operatives these people

have reshare each other to boost each

other, right? So, this Georgian troll

constantly shares Michael Weiss so that

Michael Weiss is boosted all the time.

And there's thousands like him.

Ukrainian troll, Georgian trolls, all of

this. So, no one in Georgia knows who

these guys I didn't know who these guys

until I started investigating.

And all of a sudden I find this Georgian

that is obsessed with Michael.

>> [laughter]

>> Wow.

>> The same Georgian reshares Ryan Mauro.

>> What does Michael Weiss do for a living?

Does he have a job somewhere?

>> Yes, he's a journalist at The Insider.

>> The Insider.

>> Yes, this where he trashes Maga and

wrote an article about me, but it gets

better, Tucker. So, remember Ryan Mauro?

>> Yes.

>> So, Ryan

was writing a hit piece on me and he's

asking questions about it. He's asking

me about this special ops guy that I had

on my show.

Like I had him on my show with the Navy

SEAL. So, Russian special ops guy was on

my show with a Russian

sorry, American Navy SEAL.

And the idea of the show was I want to

bring two military people on the

opposite side together, no politics I

told them both. We are not going to talk

about politics. I want you to just see

each other as normal people.

Two special ops guys discussing

life.

It was one of the best shows ever. They

started talking about their previous

wives and how like, you know, it's

always the second or third wife with

these people because of their job.

>> Of course.

>> I mean, it was the funniest thing ever.

Like Jay loved him, Dima loved Jay and

they were like, we'll send you gifts.

Like this is how the show ended. Okay?

>> It's

>> That's the world could work, actually.

If it weren't for people like Ryan

Morrow, but yeah.

>> So true.

And um so Ryan wants to write a hit

piece about me um that I had Russian

special ops on my show. How dare I?

Okay.

So he asks me about this and I engage

him because he's stupid enough to give

me all this information. So I told him

what the show was, all of this. So we

are back and forth, back and forth. Then

Ryan stops.

The day Michael Weiss drops that article

that Ryan gathered for him.

I kid you not.

>> Really?

>> Yes.

I have screenshots of the conversation.

Ryan sending me Dima's pictures, asking

how it happened, what happened, all of

that. Next week Michael Weiss on The

Insider drops an article how MAGA

influencer, me, MAGA influencer that uh

invited Tucker Carlson, that's a jab on

you,

um and interviewed Candace Owens, that's

a jab on Candace, uh

had a Russian Spetsnaz officer and was

dating a Russian, completely different

person, not this guy, but was dating a

Russian.

So the idea is that it's a Russian ring

going on here.

>> [laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> But I just want to say for the record

that I don't

I don't understand why we're at war with

Russia.

I didn't want to go to war with Russia.

I'm not against Russia. I don't know any

Americans who are who want to be at war

with Russia. Like none of this happened

with reference to what people who live

here want. Exactly. This is like a tiny

group of people decided that they own

Russia somehow and we have to use our

military

and our money

to

break up Russia into various parts or

whatever. Like they nobody wants that. I

don't want that. I'm not at war with

Russia. I'm not an enemy of Russia. I'm

never going to play along with this.

I don't Do you know what I mean? We're

so far down the road. We're 10 years

down the road into this Russia's the

enemy thing and

I'm just never going to participate in

it. Why would I?

>> Yeah. And what I don't understand is why

Ryan Mauer, who doesn't work for The

Insider or Michael Weiss at all, they

should not even know each other,

gets an article ready, sends it to

Michael so that Michael can put it in a

bigger outlet like Insider.

That's what I don't understand. And by

the way, if anyone still doubts it was

Ryan, like I said, I have all the proof

that it was. And the second it drops,

the second the article drops, Tocker,

Ryan's message comes through. Not the

best day for you, is it?

>> Yeah, these These are mean people.

>> I was like, Ryan, if you think that me

having a Russian special ops and you

putting it on an Insider somehow scares

me or intimidates me, you're very wrong.

So, I

>> from Georgia, so how weird is it to have

a Russian boyfriend once in a while? Is

that really weird? [laughter]

>> You know, it was great, Tocker.

>> weird though,

leaving aside like the specifics of your

relationship?

>> Yes.

>> Isn't Georgia right near Russia? That's

what I had heard. So, when I told you

that

>> there, right there. We have lots of

Russians in there, too.

>> Right. And you speak Russian cuz you

grew up speaking Russian like most

Georgians.

>> So, is it super crazy to to date a

Russian?

>> No, not at all, actually. And if you go

to Georgia today and due to war,

there are a ton of Russians. Like

literally in every corner you hear

Russian language due to war all the time

because the the only non-sanctioned

country around is Georgia.

>> [laughter]

>> So, they can use their internet and so

on.

>> But they're mad at you because you dated

a Russian guy.

>> mad at me because I dated a Russian. By

the way, openly, how long have you known

that? Did see Since the day I met you

you knew that I dated Russian because I

just speak about it without any

problems.

>> Yeah, you said you liked him. That's

okay. That doesn't bother me.

>> [laughter]

>> Yeah, but again, even though he's a he's

past right now, but it's not that

Tucker. I mean, I I I'm okay with that.

They can call me whatever the heck they

want. They they literally accused our

former special ops guys, Green Berets

and Navy SEALs, of being Russian agents.

So, you know what? I'm honored.

That's [laughter] all I have to say.

>> they accused me of being a Russian

agent. And I I have no connection to

Russia at all other than I think it's

the coolest country I've ever been to

and I've been to most countries. So,

that's a high compliment to Russia, but

it doesn't but ultimately for the United

States, that's why I'm against

funding a war against Russia cuz it it

crushes us and it has crushed us.

>> Yeah.

>> So, um

they like I just want to make sure I got

through the list. They like

Rubio.

>> They love my pillow.

>> Um Lindsey Graham was their favorite

always. In fact, when Lindsey Graham

died, um it was Roger Stone was the one

who posted something really bad and Ryan

just lashed out on him.

>> [laughter]

>> And I was like, "What are you doing,

dude? Like, what are you doing? Why are

you going after people that are posting

their opinions about Lindsey Graham? Who

are you? Why are you little Lindsey's

little defender?"

>> That's all very weird. There are reasons

I don't So, they like Lindsey, they like

Marco Rubio basically same

>> Yes.

>> same person.

Um

>> They hate JD. They They with Trump it's

cold and uh hot depending on if Trump is

siding with Zionists. They have nothing

to say. By the way, they won't say

anything good about Trump.

Uh so, they just stop. Like if if Trump

is on the right path, they just it's

like a line. But if he goes off the

path, I can send you like at least

20 plus something screenshots of through

them trashing

Trump completely.

>> like anyone else?

Foreign leaders? They like Zelenskyy?

>> They love Zelenskyy. They like Finnish

President Stubb Stubb very much, which

is understandable. By the way, did you

know that it was Lindsey Graham who

introduced Stubb and Trump?

>> No, that's also sad.

>> Yeah.

>> It's a great country. They'll destroy

Finland.

>> Lindsey Graham and Stubb apparently were

always in contact and that they are good

friends were were good friends.

>> Yeah, well, whenever people like this

get involved, your country winds up

being

heavily African. So, that'll happen to

Finland cuz that's part of the program.

You watch. Check the demographics of

Finland today. It's like one of the most

genetically cohesive countries outside

Iceland in the world.

And in 30 years, it won't be.

And that's not an accident. That's what

they want.

>> 100%. And one more thing if you allow me

to say. So, with this propagandists,

this Ukrainian and Georgians and this

trolls and this NATO experiment of 2019

and all that to put together. So, I said

they are used these bought for accounts

and these fake accounts are used to

amplify then

Israeli and big names, right? Like this,

you know,

the the propagandists that are under

Farah, that are paid. So, they are used

to amplify. So, it's like a well-working

relationship between Ukraine's this

company that got hired by NATO in

Ukraine and Israelis. So, there's like a

good collaboration. Like we have the

faces and the big people that are

speaking for Ukraine and you guys have

the bots to swarm the comments and

change the narratives, right?

They They had one more thing that was

very important and you would probably

never experience it because you're too

big, but people like me will.

So, they block they protect in the

hacking integrity initiative.

The the original hack that we started

with.

They said if someone like a voice like

me or someone who's like saying

that they don't like,

you need to block these accounts from

the accounts we protect. So what does

that mean? So if they are protecting

Marco Rubio for example or some accounts

that they don't want my voice to reach,

they will block accounts like me.

>> I noticed that there's a a

a disproportionate number of veterans on

the list of

>> Yeah.

>> pro-globalist influencers.

>> Yes.

Yes.

>> Why?

>> Um I think there's one main reason.

Um like I said, they they need the

United States fully under control and

they've trained people in the at the in

the United States that

military is without a question respected

and whatever they say goes.

>> me it's not. I don't understand. I mean,

I respect the men who died

>> Yeah.

>> including my ancestors who died

defending the country or died in its

wars in any case. But I don't know why I

would have to

respect Milley.

You know what I mean? Or some buffoon

who happens to be chairman of the Joint

Chiefs of Staff who uses American lives

recklessly. Like why would I have

respect for that person? That person's

evil. If you're throwing away American

lives,

>> Yeah.

>> I don't respect you. Why would I?

>> And you shouldn't and I'm I'm glad you

said that because I feel the same but

then they will attack you as

anti-Western and anti-patriot.

So they will call you all kinds of names

but that's the

>> of been here too long to be intimidated

by that. Seb Gorka who's who's from some

foreign country is going to lecture me?

>> Yeah.

So yeah, that's the that's

>> Family fought a revolution during war. I

don't think I'm going to take a lot of

abuse from you, Seb Gorka. Go away. Back

to Budapest, son.

That's how I personally feel so it

doesn't work on me but I but I also

think like if you care about veterans,

some of whom are so damaged as you know.

>> Yeah.

>> We just talked about this at breakfast.

Who damaged them?

Their commanding officers did that

actually and the civilian leadership

that sent them there did that. I don't

why would I support that?

>> Yeah. No, but they they know that most

Americans have been trained into this

thought that no matter what your

military has to be put on a pedestal,

you cannot question it, and that goes

back to the

>> Who would buy something like that?

>> Many people, Tucker. Many people. Like

many people do because how dare you have

offend our military? Look what happened

when Candace said something like don't

enlist.

Everyone lost their Like

[laughter] I'm like she's saying the

right thing. Like what? So I I I will

enlist for what? To fight for Israel?

Like are you crazy?

Are you crazy?

>> Yeah, would your ancestors be proud of

you?

>> No.

>> Of course not. Of course not.

>> Yeah. So um and one more important thing

and we can end the the saga of these

trolls with that.

So um you know Charlie Kirk's case was

going on like the hearing and stuff.

And this is more how like the connection

is so clear with this particular story

between the Ukrainian trolls and the

Israeli propagandists that a friend of

yours was here talking about with you

know Bruce Wick was his last name?

>> Alex Brusewitz, yeah.

>> Yeah, Alex So Alex was talking about and

he said something well, you know,

recently he said I'm not worried about

Lara Loomer being one of them and he

should be and I'll explain why. So

I attend Charlie Kirk's court cases.

Everyone knows this. Everyone knows that

Elizabeth Lane has been there from day

one even when Charlie's parents were not

there and you know, or wife or anybody.

I was there from day one. This is like

before Tyler even got his defense.

So I usually typically attend it.

But these last few hearings I was there,

but last two I had to miss due to my

business meetings with a friend.

So usually I go with girls for other

girls. We are all together and we sit

through the hearing to document

everything so we don't miss anything,

okay?

I texted girls. They knew I had a

business meeting. I said, "G- Guys,

you're on your own tomorrow and day

after, so please document everything if

something happens like so we know."

Um and I constantly check with them like

how are you guys? Did you get in? Did

you get your wrist band, whatever? Next

day I wake up, Tucker,

and the internet is going crazy with my

name on it. I'm like, "What's going on?"

And all of a sudden I see Laura Loomer

re-sharing stuff like these big names

the big names she is re-sharing stuff

and they say, "Elizabeth Loomer was at

the courtroom and got kicked out."

I'm literally

sitting at home waking up and I'm like,

"What the heck is happening?" So,

everyone re-shared this uh Laura said

that I got kicked out or something

similar like got banned, kicked out. And

then it started with this Mormon kid.

Like some kid that no one has heard

about, some new influencer that

viciously protects Israel and TPUSA and

all these people. Uh he's on air saying,

"Oh, they are well aware of Elizabeth

Loomer's presence." Meaning at the

court, and they banned her. Now, English

is not my first language, Tucker,

>> Yes.

>> but I'm asking you as a pro.

>> pretty well.

>> Oh, thank you.

So, I'm asking you as a pro, what does

Elizabeth Loomer's presence mean?

What What does that mean? That I'm

there, right?

>> Right, yeah.

>> But I'm not.

>> Yes. [laughter]

>> So, I'm I'm literally sitting at home

about to have a meeting with the with

this friend, business meeting,

and I'm like, "What's going on?" So, I'm

texting the girls.

We found out that they spread this lie

in case someone wants to understand if

these people are propagandists or really

fighting Russian disinformation, okay?

In case someone wants to know.

There's a documented evidence on my ex

not just my ex, how they are lying that

I was at the court and I got kicked out

because I was harassing

a widow.

>> But you weren't there.

>> I I was never even there and

documentedly my phone will ring

next to my house in the the cafe that I

had meeting in like my phone if they

ever want to check. I have two witnesses

to say where I was exactly when this was

going on and I have four girls at the

court court that walked in along with

all the cameras. So they can never in

million years prove that I was even

there.

>> What's interesting to me about that is

like this isn't organized effort. This

isn't organized propaganda effort and I

just want to say for the fifth time I

don't understand

what Charlie Kirk's murder

which is such a tragedy

for people who knew him and loved him.

What does that have to do with the rest

of their agenda? I mean that's like so

out of left field

that um it just it's just it tells you a

lot. I wish there was an honest person

involved in that effort we could ask

like what what is this?

>> I don't know.

>> Why are you paying people

to take a specific position in this

story? I think

>> He just made it up though Tucker. That's

the crazy part. Like who makes up a lie

like that and gives it to the network to

distribute it and Laura Loomer

was one of the big accounts who shared

it twice from her own and from Loomer

reporter unleashed or whatever she has.

So she was not the only one. All of

these people that I'm talking about

reshared it like a train seals.

And I was like guys are you okay? So

what happened in my opinion is that they

expected me there. They don't know that

I was not going, right? They didn't

know. So they said why don't we say that

she was at the court which she would

come, right? And got banned. I don't

know why they think it's going to ruin

my reputation or whatever. Like I will

not investigate or something. So God

banned

or the the idea was to really ban me,

right? Like so I was there and someone

would really ban me. So that I don't

know what was their intention to do this

stuff. I mean it's really it's insane.

It's insane. It's if I said Tucker

Carlson got banned from a concert you've

never been to.

>> [laughter]

>> What? So that's exactly what they did

and then we thought about it me and the

girls we said and we were like maybe

they wanted to scare you so the last day

when they knew that video would not be

shown to the public.

Like I was the only biggest creator that

was independent in the court. Rest of

them were invited by TPUSA. So Graham

Allens and Ben Ben um Sorry, Benny

Johnsons. These are all their people. So

I was the only biggest creator that was

invited not invited but there was in

court without invitation. And the other

girls were very little creator, small

creator so they didn't have the voice

and we thought that they just wanted to

kick me out so I would not say what I

saw.

>> What who I never talk about this but you

brought it up a couple times Loomer.

What is that?

I mean what is the point of that

operation? Whatever that is.

>> You would be happy to know that Laura

Loomer who swears to be President

Trump's biggest supporter reshares

Michael Weiss.

And I have the screenshots to prove it.

>> Reshares Michael Weiss attacking Trump?

>> not I don't know whether it was Trump or

definitely reshares Michael Weiss and

his opinions and which I don't

understand because because Michael Weiss

is anti-MAGA and he was always on the

liberal side of things. So I don't

understand why would Laura Loomer even

reshare any of this stuff.

>> are on the liberal side of things. Every

single one of them.

>> Right.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean that's what liberalism is.

It's a world view that rep you know,

it's an effort to destroy the West. Of

course, it's worked.

And but that's that's where it came

from. Same people. And so um yeah, of

course they're all liberals. I'm not a

liberal. That's

uh that's why they're always calling you

names if you're not a liberal.

>> Not once have reshare Mark Levin in a

positive light. Not once.

>> Well, he's a liberal.

>> So yeah. So why would anyone do that

when they claim to be Maga? Why would

they reshare people like Mauro which she

has done this

>> So what's her agenda do you think?

>> I I think Laura Loomer is someone who

directly works for Zionist globalist. So

Zionist slash I should say globalist

because they are the same thing. They

are the same thing. Globalist cabal and

she will do whatever they tell her to do

including come after you or Candace or

whoever Megan Kelly who did nothing.

>> She did nothing.

>> I don't know why they are going so hard

on Megan and she was just like, "Can you

just keep me out of it?" And they were

like, "No.

We won't."

>> What is that?

What That is a really inter- I mean,

I've seen this with a lot of people but

Megan Kelly is the most obvious

uh and most famous example of it but

Megan did not seek these fights at all.

And said it exactly keep I'm not you

know, I've got other things I'm

interested in but they wouldn't allow

her

uh

to be neutral and they tried to destroy

her. I mean, they really tried to

destroy her. Like it was unbelievable

what they did to her.

Why?

>> Because you're not allowed to be

neutral. Like again, their

main goal they say is to fight Russian

disinformation. Okay? That's how they go

around. Even the Zionist like Russia

Russia Russia. You saw Loomer, "Oh, it's

Iran Russia Iran Russia." So their goal

is that but when you really examine what

they do like I have

They don't fight Russian disinformation.

Oh, how many propagandists Russia has

like real propagandists that they pay

to?

There are plenty.

None of them go after them.

They go after independent journalists

because it's not about fighting Russian

disinformation. It's about killing

absolutely innocent and right voices.

That's what they do.

>> Right, cuz they hate the truth above

all.

>> They hate the truth. Yeah.

Yeah.

>> So, are you going to continue doing

this?

>> 100%.

100%.

>> Can I just ask why?

>> It's a good question, Tucker. I I cannot

give you like a specific answer. What I

know is that I tried to get out of this.

Like I tried to leave and you know, do

something different that uh

wouldn't

wouldn't require me to be in front of

all these attacks and stuff and um

I couldn't. I I wake up every day with a

bigger force than me

saying this is your purpose. You need to

continue and no matter

terrible things will come, just know.

And I spoke to my priest and he said the

same thing like, you know, that more

attacks will come after this especially.

>> for sure.

>> Yeah, so I said like bring it on.

That's all I can say. Like why do you do

it? Why do you do it, Tucker?

>> I'm not afraid at all. Not even a tiny

bit. I don't know why.

But

because it's it's it's true and I think

it's important to tell the truth or try,

you know, knowing you're going to screw

it up and

you know, say things that are not true

and then you correct yourself and keep

going, but just like make a good faith

effort to tell the truth. I think that's

like the ticket price to self-respect

and happiness.

>> But it's bigger than that, isn't it

though? It's bigger than that. Something

wakes you up in the morning with that

sword that you have to continue doing

what Tucker Carlson does.

>> No. And that's like coming from a bigger

force.

>> Well, I certainly believe that. I

certainly believe that. Yeah, protected

in some eternal sense, yes.

>> Yeah.

>> Maybe not in this life, but that's okay.

>> It's [laughter] okay.

>> Elizabeth Lane, thank you. That was I

worried that that would be too

confusing, but it wasn't confusing. You

described it I'm positive and you

described it so well and um

>> Thank you. Like

I this is

>> so important, Tucker. Like this should

be investigated by Congress. Like, you

know, the the freaking Church Committee

was.

>> No, I know.

>> It's absolutely crazy.

>> Yeah.

>> I was thinking of the Church Committee

last night, actually. I was thinking I

grew up hearing that the Church

Committee was so bad.

>> [laughter]

>> I can't believe it.

Speaking of propaganda, anyway.

>> Yeah.

>> Um excuse me. Thank you.

>> absolutely. Thank you.