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Christi: Toronto police
discovered the remains
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Of six men linked to a
suspected serial killer.
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Woman: Their lifeless bodies dismembered.
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Man: There could be more
victims out there.
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- The city of toronto has
never seen anything like this.
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(camera shutters click)
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- There is a concept of what
a serial killer looks like.
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Do you expect a grandfather,
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Who worked as a santa clause,
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To be killing and dismembering men?
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You don't.
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♪♪♪
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- The idea that I was watering
planters with bodies in them...
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I don't know where to put that.
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Wendy: There were men going missing from the gay village.
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- I'm looking at these pictures
that look like me.
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(siren wails)
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Wendy: Police get this call;
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There's a cannibal within
the greater toronto area.
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- We had 300 people
at a packed meeting.
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I wonder if the serial
killer is in the room.
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♪♪♪
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- The reality is that
the police had no idea
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What the hell they
were dealing with.
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♪♪♪
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- They run into the bedroom
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And they find a shocking
discovery.
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- Someone's life
is on the line.
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- This morning,
police arrested
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66-year-old bruce mcarthur.
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- I opened the door;
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"you've got to get out
of your house, now."
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♪♪♪
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- Were we gonna find remains
all over toronto?
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- I don't think anybody
on this planet
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Has seen something
quite like that before.
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♪♪♪
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- I think I could've
been one of them.
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(indistinct police
radio chatter)
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♪♪♪
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♪♪♪
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♪♪♪
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- As the crime reporter
for the toronto star,
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I've covered this case
extensively.
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Toronto often gets compared
to new york city.
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It's a city of neighbourhoods.
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We have little Italy,
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Korea town, and we also have the village,
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Which is an lgbtq-centred community.
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James: The village in toronto has been around a long time.
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I've been playing in it,
living in it, working in it
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For over 50 years.
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It's something that's very
deep to my core.
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- Two million people
have poured into toronto
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And down church street
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For the annual pride event.
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For decades,
it has been the heart,
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The pulse of toronto's
gay community.
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Church street is meant to be a safe space.
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But those days,
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And the details that came out,
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Were horrific.
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- I used to live about a block
or two from the village.
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In the midst of all of these festivities,
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There were rumblings
and rumours
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About missing people.
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Adrian: Myself, my colleagues,
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We had done reports for years
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About missing men
in the village,
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And about concerns
from the community.
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- For years, men had been
disappearing from the village,
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Without a trace.
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Their faces were on missing
persons posters
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All across church street.
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- People were wondering,
what is going on?
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Why are there multiple men
reported missing?
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You know, something afoul
is happening.
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Haran: There wasn't a lot of information,
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Just these men are missing, and that's it.
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As the community
was talking about it,
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And I'm looking
at these pictures
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Of men that look like me,
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That look similar to each other,
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I started believing
in 2013, 2014,
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That there is something wrong.
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- There was a small minority
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Who worried about
a serial killer,
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But there wasn't much pressure
put on the police.
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- Residents of this
neighbourhood,
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And the people who frequent it,
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Say they feared a serial killer
was in their midst.
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- There were men going missing
from the gay village
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As early as 2010.
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(car horn honks)
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The first was skanda navaratnam
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On September 6, 2010.
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Newsreel: Navaratnam was last seen living zippers,
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A nightclub on carlton.
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He was with an unknown man, and never returned.
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- He was a very jovial person.
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He was articulate,
and he was intelligent.
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He got a degree at the university of toronto
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And was working as a teaching assistant.
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- He had a lot of friends
in the village.
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He was from sri lanka.
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When he came to toronto,
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He was able to more fully
be himself.
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- He had his own struggles with coming out,
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But he was out to his brothers,
not to his mother.
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Wendy: He didn't have any family in canada,
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So he was reported missing to the police by friends.
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Part of the gay village
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Is that people kinda come
and go,
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So it didn't necessarily
set off a lot of alarm bells.
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♪♪♪
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But then, four months later,
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On December 29, 2010,
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Abdulbasir faizi went missing.
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He had been working at a
mississauga printing factory,
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And he had told his wife
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That he was going to go meet
a friend.
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Haran: Abdulbasir faizi was married,
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They lived in the suburbs.
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Wendy: His wife didn't know that he was gay,
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And he went to toronto's gay village.
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Newsreel: Abdulbasir faizi went missing.
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Police have only found his vehicle.
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- He was last seen
at steamworks,
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Which is a bathhouse,
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Where um, men can hook up.
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18 months later,
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Majeed kayhan went missing.
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He hadn't been seen in a few days.
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His son, actually, was the one to report him missing.
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He was last seen
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Inside his alexander street
apartment.
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Newsreel: People who live in this area say
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Kayhan lived a double life - one as a gay man,
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And one with his family.
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- Certainly, back in 2010,
someone disappeared,
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Which is not a big deal.
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By three people disappeared,
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Then it became a big question.
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Wendy: All of this was happening
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Within a few blocks' radius.
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These men go missing within a relatively
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Short period of time.
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That's really scary.
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- In the span of a few months,
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A couple different men
reported missing
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From the same neighbourhood.
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This is usually a red flag,
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For people who study serial killings.
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My mind always goes
to the worst things
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Because I study this stuff.
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Often times,
it's really just coincidence,
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But this one felt
a little different
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Because this is such a tight-knit community.
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It tends to be the case
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That people who are responsible
for serial killings
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Are hunting for their victims
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In places that
they're familiar with.
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(ominous music)
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My first thought was that
this is somebody
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Who knows his way
around this place.
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- Three people just disappear
without a trace,
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But they were all recent
immigrants to canada
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From foreign countries.
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They all had a gay village connection, in toronto.
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Haran: In 2010,
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I would see posters of skanda,
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And then a few years later,
in 2012,
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I started seeing pictures
of majeed kayhan
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And abdulbasir faizi.
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Three brown men were missing.
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You would see the posters in convenience stores
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All over church street.
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You would hear comments
on the streets, like,
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"oh, they've probably gone
back to their wives
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To live out their heterosexual lives."
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I was hoping and praying
that they would be found.
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(camera shutter clicks)
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- A lot of people were
willing to believe
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That they just left for various
reasons - financial,
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Or because they were married,
or because of islamophobia
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And islamic forces were coming
to kill their gays
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Who were married,
leading gay lives.
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My perspective was both.
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You see, I was not immune
to the uh,
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Unconscious racism
that we all have.
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(siren wails)
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- There were certainly
people saying the police
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Are not paying attention
because they're three brown men:
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They're being racist, like that.
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If they were white people, they would've found them already.
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- If the three people that had been missing
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Had all been native bond
canadian,
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People who lived in toronto,
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Then there would've been far,
far more pressure
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On the police, and everyone else in the community,
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To find out what happened.
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But because they were
all immigrants,
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There wasn't that pressure.
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- For years, people in the community
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Were saying something's
going on, something's wrong,
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And for years, nothing happens.
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(ominous music)
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Everything changed in 2012
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When toronto police received
this tip from interpol.
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Wendy: Interpol is an international policing agency.
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They take tips from around the world
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And help notify the police
within a certain jurisdiction.
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The tip originated in switzerland.
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Someone within the toronto police service gets this call
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(phone rings) that, might sound strange,
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But potentially there is
a cannibal working within
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The greater toronto area.
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(ominous music)
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- When you're first told,
it's unbelievable,
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You're like, "really?
Come on, a cannibal?"
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It's somebody online,
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Confessing to a murder, to somebody else who's online.
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And then, well,
hold on a second,
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Actually we do have a
missing man from toronto
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Who fits the profile that this individual was talking about.
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- This source helped
authorities over in europe
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With a cannibalism
investigation over there,
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And was determined to be,
uh, credible.
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- They were able to identify that skanda navaratnam,
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One of the men who'd gone
missing from the gay village,
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May actually be the victim involved here.
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(ominous music)
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So, they began looking into skanda's disappearance,
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And then realized,
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There's actually other men
who fit into this category
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Who have gone missing from the gay village.
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Newsreel: Police now believe the disappearances
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May be connected.
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- Police are wondering,
and investigating,
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Whether or not these missing
men had been killed,
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And then, potentially eaten.
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- I was working at homicide
at the time.
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I became involved in the investigation
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That became "project houston," December of 2012.
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- The toronto police named this investigation
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"project houston"
because it was
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"houston, we have a problem."
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(ominous music)
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(siren wails)
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Wendy: Who is bruce mcarthur?
Man: I only knew him as bruce.
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- How serious did police
take this investigation?
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- We didn't know how big
this was gonna get.
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- The police asked us
to come for a meeting,
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And then they said,
"we found several bodies."
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- This is, bar none,
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The biggest crime story
to ever hit this city.
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♪♪♪
260
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♪♪♪
261
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♪♪♪
262
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- I was called into a meeting
263
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With my unit commander
at homicide
264
00:11:39,849 --> 00:11:41,950
And briefed on what they had.
265
00:11:42,944 --> 00:11:44,652
James: A source in switzerland,
266
00:11:44,687 --> 00:11:47,321
Had infiltrated a cannibalism ring online,
267
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Discussing torture scenarios.
268
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It was out of toronto.
269
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- Based on the information
that that witness
270
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Had gathered online;
271
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He'd believed it was skanda
272
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That the cannibal
was talking about.
273
00:12:02,538 --> 00:12:03,571
(siren wails)
274
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We were actually able to go to switzerland
275
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And interview this person.
276
00:12:07,135 --> 00:12:09,969
They had identified
the username as john jacobs,
277
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In a website that catered to people
278
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With cannibal fetishes.
279
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John jacobs was identified
as james brunton.
280
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- James brunton,
281
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He started being the focus
of this investigation.
282
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- He was married
283
00:12:26,270 --> 00:12:29,247
And would frequent
the gay village in toronto.
284
00:12:30,584 --> 00:12:33,126
We could place him in the village on several occasions.
285
00:12:34,278 --> 00:12:36,204
- The investigation ramped up.
286
00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,540
Police started really looking at his online activity.
287
00:12:39,617 --> 00:12:42,093
They ended up searching
through his home.
288
00:12:43,287 --> 00:12:45,096
They began realizing that he taped
289
00:12:45,173 --> 00:12:48,049
Male hockey players, without their knowledge,
290
00:12:48,084 --> 00:12:49,717
While they were
in a change room.
291
00:12:49,794 --> 00:12:53,179
- And there was an awful lot
of surveillance conducted.
292
00:12:53,256 --> 00:12:55,223
It was a very, very large
293
00:12:55,299 --> 00:12:57,391
Investigation and operation
294
00:12:57,426 --> 00:13:00,278
To get us to the point where
we were finally able to say
295
00:13:01,305 --> 00:13:03,114
This guy hasn't killed anybody.
296
00:13:04,433 --> 00:13:07,443
- It ends up not being
a cannibalism ring,
297
00:13:07,454 --> 00:13:10,622
But what they end up uncovering
is child pornography.
298
00:13:11,699 --> 00:13:14,116
Newsreel: 65-year-old, james alex brunton,
299
00:13:14,127 --> 00:13:15,618
Walked out of court today,
300
00:13:15,629 --> 00:13:17,870
After being sentenced for making, possessing,
301
00:13:17,947 --> 00:13:20,081
And distributing child pornography.
302
00:13:20,157 --> 00:13:22,208
- He was ultimately charged
with child pornography
303
00:13:22,285 --> 00:13:24,252
And sexual offences,
304
00:13:24,328 --> 00:13:26,921
And he was arrested,
and ultimately,
305
00:13:26,956 --> 00:13:29,465
He pled guilty to some
of the charges.
306
00:13:29,476 --> 00:13:30,658
(siren wails)
307
00:13:30,735 --> 00:13:33,094
Wendy: Toronto police came to the conclusion that,
308
00:13:33,170 --> 00:13:35,096
While he was involved in things
309
00:13:35,172 --> 00:13:37,139
That many of us would consider to be disgusting
310
00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:39,267
And reprehensible,
311
00:13:39,343 --> 00:13:41,602
Ultimately, they weren't
able to find any evidence
312
00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,272
That connected him
to skanda navaratnam
313
00:13:44,348 --> 00:13:46,274
Or any of the men
314
00:13:46,350 --> 00:13:48,034
That had gone missing from the gay village.
315
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♪♪♪
316
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- The project then resorted
back
317
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To a missing person
investigation.
318
00:13:59,655 --> 00:14:01,840
A missing person investigation is far different.
319
00:14:01,916 --> 00:14:04,792
For the most part, statistics are the person is missing
320
00:14:04,869 --> 00:14:06,294
Because they wanna be missing.
321
00:14:06,370 --> 00:14:09,138
Missing persons are not criminal offences.
322
00:14:11,017 --> 00:14:13,184
- They'd opened up
an investigation
323
00:14:13,261 --> 00:14:15,011
Into these missing men
324
00:14:15,021 --> 00:14:17,230
And had nothing to show for it.
325
00:14:19,383 --> 00:14:23,027
♪♪♪
326
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(cars whoosh by)
327
00:14:24,698 --> 00:14:26,865
- In June of 2013,
328
00:14:26,941 --> 00:14:29,108
We made a public appeal
329
00:14:29,185 --> 00:14:32,704
Specifically about those
three missing persons.
330
00:14:32,780 --> 00:14:34,488
Newsreel: With posters now up around the neighbourhood,
331
00:14:34,565 --> 00:14:36,324
Local residents are on the lookout.
332
00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,326
- Yeah, it is a little bit
scary to know
333
00:14:38,402 --> 00:14:39,794
That three people vanished.
334
00:14:41,072 --> 00:14:43,122
- They started doing more
interviews
335
00:14:43,199 --> 00:14:46,259
With members of the gay village community.
336
00:14:47,411 --> 00:14:49,053
- A lot of people came forward
337
00:14:49,130 --> 00:14:51,339
And attempted to help
provide information.
338
00:14:51,415 --> 00:14:53,215
Wendy: One of the men that was interviewed
339
00:14:53,226 --> 00:14:55,217
Had come onto the radar for police
340
00:14:55,228 --> 00:14:58,220
When they found
his email address
341
00:14:58,231 --> 00:15:01,232
In the phone that belonged to skanda navaratnam.
342
00:15:01,309 --> 00:15:03,684
That same email address
was also written
343
00:15:03,761 --> 00:15:07,280
On a notepad owned by abdulbasir faizi.
344
00:15:08,766 --> 00:15:11,409
- We have a username
of silver foxx,
345
00:15:12,937 --> 00:15:15,529
But we didn't know exactly
what the relationship was
346
00:15:15,564 --> 00:15:17,707
Between silver foxx and these men.
347
00:15:19,402 --> 00:15:22,578
They had identified the username and ip address;
348
00:15:22,589 --> 00:15:25,081
Within 24 hours,
349
00:15:25,091 --> 00:15:27,917
Silver foxx was identified
as bruce mcarthur.
350
00:15:27,928 --> 00:15:29,719
(ominous music)
351
00:15:31,598 --> 00:15:33,765
He was from the village;
maybe he can help us out
352
00:15:34,842 --> 00:15:36,717
And explain what's happened
to these guys.
353
00:15:36,794 --> 00:15:39,646
♪♪♪
354
00:15:42,258 --> 00:15:44,359
He was interviewed as a witness.
355
00:15:45,428 --> 00:15:47,019
- When toronto police
interviewed
356
00:15:47,096 --> 00:15:49,021
Bruce mcarthur in 2013,
357
00:15:49,098 --> 00:15:53,234
They would have seen an older
man, kind of portly guy.
358
00:15:53,269 --> 00:15:57,121
He was relatively newly out, as a gay man,
359
00:15:57,198 --> 00:16:00,116
And had just started a landscaping company,
360
00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:02,126
And was doing pretty well.
361
00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:05,964
- Bruce mcarthur
had been interviewed
362
00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,416
By some of my team-mates,
363
00:16:08,492 --> 00:16:11,427
And I watched the interviews that took place that day.
364
00:16:13,214 --> 00:16:15,139
That interview
had been scheduled,
365
00:16:15,216 --> 00:16:17,800
And rescheduled, several times,
and to my understanding,
366
00:16:17,811 --> 00:16:20,136
He was very receptive
of changing the interviews,
367
00:16:20,146 --> 00:16:21,896
And had no issues coming in.
368
00:16:23,132 --> 00:16:25,099
Wendy: He was a grandfather.
369
00:16:25,134 --> 00:16:27,435
He sometimes worked as a mall santa.
370
00:16:27,511 --> 00:16:29,937
He came across as very affable.
371
00:16:29,972 --> 00:16:32,782
I don't know that alarm bells
were going off about him.
372
00:16:34,018 --> 00:16:36,610
- I thought, I-I saw that
he was a very credible,
373
00:16:36,687 --> 00:16:38,821
Believable person.
Uh, he wanted to help;
374
00:16:38,832 --> 00:16:40,373
He seemed genuine.
375
00:16:41,909 --> 00:16:43,451
When we interviewed him,
376
00:16:43,527 --> 00:16:45,453
He denied knowing abdulbasir faizi,
377
00:16:45,529 --> 00:16:49,123
But he admitted readily to knowing majeed kayhan,
378
00:16:49,158 --> 00:16:51,333
And skandaraj navaratnam.
379
00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:53,419
Skanda worked for mcarthur
380
00:16:53,496 --> 00:16:55,263
And had been in a relationship with him.
381
00:16:56,832 --> 00:16:58,340
- Mcarthur had a close
relationship
382
00:16:58,351 --> 00:17:00,018
With skanda navaratnam.
383
00:17:00,094 --> 00:17:03,730
He had hired him to help him with his landscaping business.
384
00:17:04,766 --> 00:17:06,315
He'd helped bruce out on job sites.
385
00:17:07,551 --> 00:17:09,819
- We know that bruce mcarthur's
clients met skanda.
386
00:17:13,107 --> 00:17:14,857
(dog barks in the distance)
387
00:17:14,868 --> 00:17:18,486
♪♪♪
388
00:17:18,562 --> 00:17:21,489
- Bruce had about 100 clients;
he liked them,
389
00:17:21,565 --> 00:17:23,824
And they all thought
he was fantastic,
390
00:17:23,859 --> 00:17:25,960
Which he was with us.
391
00:17:27,363 --> 00:17:28,788
(birds chirp, grass rustles)
392
00:17:28,864 --> 00:17:31,999
Skanda handed me plants and said hello.
393
00:17:32,076 --> 00:17:34,001
I thought he was delightful.
394
00:17:34,036 --> 00:17:35,720
Very sweet, very humours.
395
00:17:36,723 --> 00:17:39,390
I liked him
because when I made jokes
396
00:17:39,467 --> 00:17:41,884
Sort of at bruce's expense,
because he never caught on,
397
00:17:41,895 --> 00:17:44,303
Skanda laughed right away
398
00:17:44,380 --> 00:17:46,388
And he realized
that it was funny
399
00:17:46,399 --> 00:17:48,399
That bruce wasn't getting it.
400
00:17:49,593 --> 00:17:53,187
Wendy: Not only did he know skanda navaratnam,
401
00:17:53,264 --> 00:17:56,324
But he also admitted
to hiring majeed kayhan.
402
00:17:57,243 --> 00:17:59,068
(ominous music)
403
00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:00,736
Karen: I noticed him
404
00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:02,580
Because he seemed so out of his element.
405
00:18:03,607 --> 00:18:05,407
He was in the background,
406
00:18:05,418 --> 00:18:07,076
Right by the edge of the hill,
407
00:18:07,087 --> 00:18:09,245
Standing just there,
408
00:18:09,255 --> 00:18:11,080
And leaning on the shovel.
409
00:18:11,091 --> 00:18:13,591
I could tell from the way he handled the shovel,
410
00:18:15,619 --> 00:18:17,303
It, I don't think he'd
ever touched one before.
411
00:18:18,264 --> 00:18:20,256
He was awkward with it.
412
00:18:20,266 --> 00:18:22,475
And just seemed miserable,
413
00:18:23,419 --> 00:18:25,770
Kinda sad.
414
00:18:25,847 --> 00:18:28,013
At the time, I was so concerned about him,
415
00:18:28,090 --> 00:18:29,723
And bruce was annoyed with him.
416
00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,392
"it just isn't working out,"
he kept saying,
417
00:18:31,468 --> 00:18:33,394
"he's just not working out"
418
00:18:33,470 --> 00:18:36,781
And bruce very rarely
got annoyed about anything.
419
00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:40,067
So, that night,
420
00:18:40,144 --> 00:18:42,444
I sent an email to bruce
and said,
421
00:18:42,455 --> 00:18:44,455
"so, how's it working
with that guy?
422
00:18:44,532 --> 00:18:46,624
Is he, is he going
to work out?"
423
00:18:47,985 --> 00:18:49,410
And he never responded,
424
00:18:49,486 --> 00:18:51,745
And I never saw that man again.
425
00:18:51,822 --> 00:18:53,506
(ominous music)
426
00:18:54,968 --> 00:18:57,751
- The point of interviewing
mcarthur, at the time,
427
00:18:57,828 --> 00:19:00,421
Was an attempt to find out what had happened;
428
00:19:00,456 --> 00:19:02,923
Where are these guys, does anybody know.
429
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,967
♪♪♪
430
00:19:04,978 --> 00:19:08,304
Obviously, if we had three missing persons,
431
00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:10,890
And perhaps, any evidence
432
00:19:10,966 --> 00:19:13,434
That they had actually
been murdered,
433
00:19:13,469 --> 00:19:15,603
Or met with some foul play,
434
00:19:15,679 --> 00:19:17,989
Something more possibly
could've been done.
435
00:19:19,567 --> 00:19:22,276
- Bruce mcarthur was a witness,
just like anybody else,
436
00:19:22,353 --> 00:19:24,278
And you could link him
to two out of three.
437
00:19:24,355 --> 00:19:26,822
But we had investigators on our own team
438
00:19:26,833 --> 00:19:29,500
Who were within the community, who told us,
439
00:19:29,577 --> 00:19:31,285
That we're a small community, you know.
440
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,287
Everyone knows everybody.
441
00:19:33,364 --> 00:19:35,247
- Certainly, wasn't unusual
in houston,
442
00:19:35,324 --> 00:19:36,790
To interview people
from the village,
443
00:19:36,825 --> 00:19:39,594
Who knew skanda, majeed,
and-and basir.
444
00:19:41,997 --> 00:19:43,631
- When he left
that interview room,
445
00:19:43,707 --> 00:19:45,466
There was little follow up.
446
00:19:45,501 --> 00:19:49,103
♪♪♪
447
00:19:50,881 --> 00:19:54,192
- "project houston"
was unceremoniously
448
00:19:54,268 --> 00:19:56,310
Disbanded a few months later.
449
00:19:56,387 --> 00:19:58,020
Newsreel: An 18 month investigation
450
00:19:58,031 --> 00:20:00,314
Called "project houston," into those three men,
451
00:20:00,391 --> 00:20:02,200
Wrapped up in 2014.
452
00:20:02,276 --> 00:20:04,035
It was never resolved.
453
00:20:04,111 --> 00:20:06,370
Wendy: "project houston" effectively ended
454
00:20:06,447 --> 00:20:08,539
Without finding out what happened.
455
00:20:08,616 --> 00:20:09,990
We have a lot of questions
456
00:20:10,067 --> 00:20:12,534
About why they didn't
probe further,
457
00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:14,536
Either into mcarthur,
458
00:20:14,547 --> 00:20:16,622
Or the missing men investigation,
459
00:20:16,699 --> 00:20:18,674
And try to find out
what happened to them.
460
00:20:20,077 --> 00:20:22,044
- A traditional homicide
investigation, you know,
461
00:20:22,055 --> 00:20:23,387
A murder's taken place.
462
00:20:23,464 --> 00:20:25,673
You look at your victim's
steps, moving backwards.
463
00:20:25,749 --> 00:20:28,050
A missing person investigation
is far different -
464
00:20:28,061 --> 00:20:29,677
A lot of times, you don't
even have a starting point
465
00:20:29,753 --> 00:20:32,146
Of where that person
went missing from.
466
00:20:33,641 --> 00:20:35,641
Skanda was staying on a few peoples' couches,
467
00:20:35,718 --> 00:20:38,069
So you're not permanently staying at a certain address.
468
00:20:38,145 --> 00:20:40,020
You know, people are assuming he's staying with friends
469
00:20:40,055 --> 00:20:41,572
Or staying elsewhere.
470
00:20:41,649 --> 00:20:44,191
Abdulbasir faizi phoned home to say that
471
00:20:44,226 --> 00:20:46,527
He was gonna go out for drinks with friends from work,
472
00:20:46,603 --> 00:20:48,237
And just never came home.
473
00:20:48,248 --> 00:20:50,072
(siren wails)
474
00:20:50,083 --> 00:20:53,167
When you look at most of the missing men,
475
00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:56,578
There's a natural delay
in reporting,
476
00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:58,256
And in those delay,
unfortunately,
477
00:20:58,332 --> 00:21:00,040
You lose evidence.
478
00:21:00,117 --> 00:21:02,668
I just know that our team was fully invested
479
00:21:02,745 --> 00:21:05,471
In attempting to find out what happened to these men.
480
00:21:06,457 --> 00:21:08,599
♪♪♪
481
00:21:08,676 --> 00:21:11,010
Wendy: Toronto police closed down "project houston"
482
00:21:11,086 --> 00:21:12,886
In April of 2014,
483
00:21:12,963 --> 00:21:15,439
But this was just the beginning
484
00:21:15,516 --> 00:21:17,441
Of a horrifying pattern emerging.
485
00:21:18,594 --> 00:21:21,570
And no one detected
that for years.
486
00:21:23,098 --> 00:21:25,032
♪♪♪
487
00:21:32,441 --> 00:21:36,919
♪♪♪
488
00:21:39,114 --> 00:21:41,549
Wendy: Soon after "project houston" closes,
489
00:21:43,136 --> 00:21:45,803
Three more men go missing in the village.
490
00:21:48,716 --> 00:21:50,799
Soroush mahmudi went missing
491
00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:53,886
Around the time of August 2015.
492
00:21:53,962 --> 00:21:55,646
Khrishna kumar kanagaratnam,
493
00:21:55,723 --> 00:21:57,639
A few months later.
494
00:21:57,650 --> 00:21:59,808
And then, dean lisowick
495
00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:02,486
Goes missing April of 2016.
496
00:22:02,563 --> 00:22:05,314
So, the phenomenon of men
going missing
497
00:22:05,325 --> 00:22:07,441
From the gay village
is continuing,
498
00:22:07,476 --> 00:22:09,777
But it's not widely known,
499
00:22:09,853 --> 00:22:12,204
And certainly,
police were not investigating.
500
00:22:13,982 --> 00:22:16,917
- Soroush mahmudi was married
with children.
501
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,120
He went to bed, and then when they got up in the morning,
502
00:22:20,197 --> 00:22:21,672
He was gone.
503
00:22:21,749 --> 00:22:23,883
The assumption was he left for work.
504
00:22:26,161 --> 00:22:28,512
He was reported missing, but because nobody knew
505
00:22:28,589 --> 00:22:30,631
About the lifestyle that he was living,
506
00:22:30,707 --> 00:22:32,466
Nobody thought to make a connection at all
507
00:22:32,501 --> 00:22:34,134
To the church and wellesley street area.
508
00:22:34,169 --> 00:22:36,637
No one even looked to see if it was a possibility
509
00:22:36,672 --> 00:22:39,139
He might be tied
to other missing men.
510
00:22:39,174 --> 00:22:40,232
(computer beeps)
511
00:22:41,936 --> 00:22:43,602
Wendy: Khrishna kumar kanagaratnam
512
00:22:43,679 --> 00:22:45,363
Had been living underground.
513
00:22:45,439 --> 00:22:47,365
He wasn't allowed to be in canada;
514
00:22:47,441 --> 00:22:49,316
He'd been denied refugee status.
515
00:22:49,393 --> 00:22:52,453
So, it was immediately apparent
when he went missing.
516
00:22:53,781 --> 00:22:56,040
Newsreel: Kanagaratnam arrived in vancouver on a cargo ship,
517
00:22:56,117 --> 00:22:58,709
Called the sun sea, in August 2010.
518
00:22:58,786 --> 00:23:00,711
One of nearly 500 sri lankan tamils
519
00:23:00,788 --> 00:23:02,588
Looking for a better life.
520
00:23:03,791 --> 00:23:06,500
Haran: He was fleeing
sri lanka because of the war.
521
00:23:06,535 --> 00:23:09,628
He actually saw his brother
522
00:23:09,705 --> 00:23:11,713
Murdered by the army,
523
00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:13,265
In his front yard.
524
00:23:14,802 --> 00:23:17,678
He made his way over to toronto when he was cleared,
525
00:23:17,713 --> 00:23:20,231
And he claimed asylum here.
526
00:23:20,307 --> 00:23:23,142
His claim got denied, twice.
527
00:23:23,218 --> 00:23:24,652
He went underground.
528
00:23:26,263 --> 00:23:28,230
- He was a refugee claimant
529
00:23:28,241 --> 00:23:30,023
Who was going to be deported.
530
00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:31,984
Other than that,
there were no other records
531
00:23:32,060 --> 00:23:34,036
With regards to uh,
him being missing.
532
00:23:35,823 --> 00:23:37,531
Haran: A few years later,
533
00:23:37,608 --> 00:23:40,033
I met with khrishna kumar's
mother.
534
00:23:40,068 --> 00:23:42,086
Listening to the mom and understanding
535
00:23:42,163 --> 00:23:43,704
Some of the tragedies that she's gone through
536
00:23:43,739 --> 00:23:46,165
In sri lanka
with her other kids,
537
00:23:46,241 --> 00:23:47,716
It was just too much.
538
00:23:51,172 --> 00:23:52,596
Wendy: Dean lisowick,
539
00:23:52,673 --> 00:23:54,932
He sometimes would work as a sex worker.
540
00:23:55,009 --> 00:23:57,509
He also was homeless, and so,
541
00:23:57,586 --> 00:23:59,687
He used the city's
homeless shelters.
542
00:24:01,348 --> 00:24:03,315
James: He was basically living on the street.
543
00:24:05,853 --> 00:24:07,728
You would see him sitting right at the corner
544
00:24:07,804 --> 00:24:09,447
Of church and wellesley.
545
00:24:09,523 --> 00:24:11,782
He would ask for money,
and chat.
546
00:24:11,859 --> 00:24:14,201
I had a friend who had
a relationship with him.
547
00:24:15,437 --> 00:24:18,038
We were really quite shocked when he disappeared.
548
00:24:20,034 --> 00:24:23,076
Wendy: These men were exceptionally vulnerable people,
549
00:24:23,111 --> 00:24:26,964
Some of whom had sought refuge in the gay village,
550
00:24:27,041 --> 00:24:30,083
Because they could be
who they were.
551
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,752
Some of them came
from countries where
552
00:24:31,828 --> 00:24:33,762
You are not allowed to be out,
as a gay man.
553
00:24:35,216 --> 00:24:37,975
- When people who are
marginalized, go missing,
554
00:24:38,052 --> 00:24:39,593
They sorta just disappear
and vanish,
555
00:24:39,670 --> 00:24:41,770
And people don't blink an eye.
556
00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:44,482
That's one of the big red flags.
557
00:24:44,558 --> 00:24:46,225
These are weird disappearances;
558
00:24:46,301 --> 00:24:48,027
There has to be something going on.
559
00:24:49,304 --> 00:24:51,980
To me, it tends to signal that somebody
560
00:24:51,991 --> 00:24:54,608
Might be looking for victims
561
00:24:54,685 --> 00:24:56,577
That they can get away with.
562
00:24:59,314 --> 00:25:03,575
♪♪♪
563
00:25:03,652 --> 00:25:06,453
- On April 17, 2017,
564
00:25:06,488 --> 00:25:08,172
A seventh man went missing.
565
00:25:09,366 --> 00:25:10,841
This was selim esen.
566
00:25:10,918 --> 00:25:13,085
He didn't have a home at the time.
567
00:25:13,161 --> 00:25:15,796
- He wasn't residing
at an address.
568
00:25:15,872 --> 00:25:17,515
He went missing
with all his belongings;
569
00:25:17,591 --> 00:25:19,350
He basically had a suitcase.
570
00:25:19,426 --> 00:25:21,593
It was his partner
who had not heard from him
571
00:25:21,670 --> 00:25:23,804
In a couple weeks
and reported him missing.
572
00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:27,024
Haran: He loved life, he loved adventures.
573
00:25:27,101 --> 00:25:29,693
He had also struggled with um,
574
00:25:29,770 --> 00:25:31,603
Mental health
and substance use.
575
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,147
♪♪♪
576
00:25:34,182 --> 00:25:36,817
Jooyoung: The universal theme about serial killers
577
00:25:36,893 --> 00:25:38,786
Is that they opportunists.
578
00:25:40,948 --> 00:25:43,374
They think about how they
can get away with things.
579
00:25:43,450 --> 00:25:45,534
(dirt thuds lightly)
580
00:25:45,545 --> 00:25:47,419
They pick certain places
to hunt.
581
00:25:48,956 --> 00:25:51,123
They pick certain victims,
582
00:25:51,199 --> 00:25:54,543
And part of that is just having access to a person
583
00:25:54,554 --> 00:25:57,337
That might be vulnerable.
584
00:25:57,372 --> 00:25:59,390
After many years of getting away with the crimes
585
00:25:59,466 --> 00:26:00,882
That they've committed,
586
00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:03,686
Serial killers develop
this sense of confidence.
587
00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:08,849
Over time, they might become
sloppier, less risk averse,
588
00:26:08,925 --> 00:26:11,351
And they might do things that increase the likelihood
589
00:26:11,386 --> 00:26:13,520
Of them getting caught.
590
00:26:13,597 --> 00:26:15,322
♪♪♪
591
00:26:17,651 --> 00:26:20,744
♪♪♪
592
00:26:20,821 --> 00:26:22,913
- A few months later,
at the end of June,
593
00:26:22,990 --> 00:26:25,073
In the middle of pride
celebrations,
594
00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:27,701
Andrew kinsman went missing.
595
00:26:27,736 --> 00:26:30,462
He was the eighth man to go missing.
596
00:26:33,241 --> 00:26:34,925
Haran: Andrew was a gentle giant.
597
00:26:35,002 --> 00:26:36,927
He was really a good guy,
and very,
598
00:26:37,004 --> 00:26:38,679
Very community oriented.
599
00:26:40,007 --> 00:26:42,016
- I'd met him in passing
at a party.
600
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:44,843
He was sort of eccentric.
601
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,104
A lot of people liked him.
602
00:26:47,181 --> 00:26:48,939
Jooyoung: The victim that got everybody talking
603
00:26:49,016 --> 00:26:50,941
About the fact that there could be a serial killer,
604
00:26:51,018 --> 00:26:53,226
Was andrew kinsman,
605
00:26:53,303 --> 00:26:55,520
Who was very connected in the village.
606
00:26:55,597 --> 00:26:57,731
- The other missing men
were a bit more transient -
607
00:26:57,808 --> 00:26:59,608
They'd come in, they'd go out,
608
00:26:59,619 --> 00:27:01,452
They were in shelters.
609
00:27:01,528 --> 00:27:03,445
Andrew kinsman was different -
610
00:27:03,456 --> 00:27:05,947
Had a really strong community
611
00:27:05,958 --> 00:27:09,043
Of friends around him
in toronto's gay village.
612
00:27:10,204 --> 00:27:12,371
- Andrew was a superintendent of his building.
613
00:27:12,447 --> 00:27:14,581
He had set routines,
and set responsibilities,
614
00:27:14,616 --> 00:27:16,625
And when those uh,
615
00:27:16,636 --> 00:27:18,377
Responsibilities
weren't being done,
616
00:27:18,453 --> 00:27:20,754
People in the building
noticed immediately.
617
00:27:20,831 --> 00:27:23,757
- He was reported missing
within a day or so,
618
00:27:23,834 --> 00:27:26,185
Of last being seen.
619
00:27:29,056 --> 00:27:32,983
- Serial killers believe
they're invulnerable,
620
00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:34,985
But this was somebody who
621
00:27:35,062 --> 00:27:36,770
Was starting to maybe
get sloppy.
622
00:27:36,805 --> 00:27:39,815
♪♪♪
623
00:27:39,825 --> 00:27:41,325
Newsreel: Andrew kinsman,
624
00:27:41,402 --> 00:27:43,735
Who worked at the toronto hiv aids network,
625
00:27:43,812 --> 00:27:45,404
Disappeared more than two weeks ago,
626
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,447
Setting off a massive search effort
627
00:27:47,482 --> 00:27:49,241
By friends and colleagues,
628
00:27:49,317 --> 00:27:52,244
Who say this is out of character.
629
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,338
- When andrew kinsman
went missing,
630
00:27:54,415 --> 00:27:56,957
It really, really exploded
in-in the public,
631
00:27:56,992 --> 00:27:58,509
And in the media,
632
00:27:58,585 --> 00:28:00,627
And there were ground searches organized
633
00:28:00,704 --> 00:28:04,339
By members of the public, and a lot of outcry.
634
00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:06,341
Newsreel: Men who frequent or live
635
00:28:06,352 --> 00:28:08,018
In the church and wellesley area
636
00:28:08,095 --> 00:28:10,262
Have disappeared since 2010.
637
00:28:10,338 --> 00:28:12,189
Without clues as to what happened,
638
00:28:12,266 --> 00:28:14,182
The community is on edge.
639
00:28:14,193 --> 00:28:16,935
- Kinsman's disappearance
mobilized the gay community.
640
00:28:17,012 --> 00:28:19,646
- And it did attract a lot
of media attention.
641
00:28:19,681 --> 00:28:21,824
There was absolutely some
pressure put on the police.
642
00:28:23,018 --> 00:28:24,359
- When kinsman goes missing,
643
00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:27,037
It's impossible
to ignore anymore,
644
00:28:27,114 --> 00:28:29,322
And the light gets shone
brighter, and brighter,
645
00:28:29,357 --> 00:28:31,992
And brighter on this investigation.
646
00:28:32,068 --> 00:28:34,703
Haran: This is yet another incidence
647
00:28:34,714 --> 00:28:36,714
Where a white person
goes missing
648
00:28:36,790 --> 00:28:38,999
And there's an automatic
reaction,
649
00:28:39,075 --> 00:28:41,051
But when people of colour
go missing,
650
00:28:41,128 --> 00:28:43,003
It's not paid attention to.
651
00:28:43,038 --> 00:28:45,222
Until something terrible
happens.
652
00:28:45,299 --> 00:28:48,225
- It's a fair assumption
to make
653
00:28:48,302 --> 00:28:50,510
That that changed the
complexity of the investigation.
654
00:28:50,545 --> 00:28:54,314
When you look at systemic
racism in policing,
655
00:28:55,550 --> 00:28:56,850
And in society.
656
00:28:56,927 --> 00:29:00,070
♪♪♪
657
00:29:00,147 --> 00:29:01,572
Newsreel: A community meeting will be held
658
00:29:01,648 --> 00:29:03,574
In the neighbourhood next Tuesday night.
659
00:29:03,650 --> 00:29:04,742
Police will be there.
660
00:29:04,818 --> 00:29:06,860
James: We had about 300 people at a packed meeting
661
00:29:06,937 --> 00:29:09,079
At our community centre, the 519.
662
00:29:09,156 --> 00:29:11,865
I remember saying to the person sitting with me,
663
00:29:11,942 --> 00:29:14,075
"I wonder if the serial killer
is in the room?"
664
00:29:14,086 --> 00:29:16,703
Newsreel: Tonight, members of a police task force
665
00:29:16,738 --> 00:29:18,663
Gathered to try and calm fears.
666
00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:20,665
Newsreel: The recent disappearance of two men
667
00:29:20,742 --> 00:29:23,710
From the heart of toronto's lgbtq community
668
00:29:23,745 --> 00:29:25,763
Has caused deep concern.
669
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:27,431
Their disappearances follow several
670
00:29:27,508 --> 00:29:31,059
Unsolved missing persons cases going back to 2010.
671
00:29:33,180 --> 00:29:35,764
- It was decided that we needed to
672
00:29:35,775 --> 00:29:38,108
Re-launch "project houston"
673
00:29:38,185 --> 00:29:41,069
To investigate these latest
missing persons.
674
00:29:42,114 --> 00:29:45,657
- And that is the genesis
of "project prism."
675
00:29:47,602 --> 00:29:49,787
The second investigation that was launched
676
00:29:49,863 --> 00:29:52,372
Into the gay village missing men.
677
00:29:54,126 --> 00:29:56,126
David: I was asked to oversee "project prism,"
678
00:29:56,203 --> 00:29:57,920
As the lead investigator.
679
00:29:59,206 --> 00:30:01,465
- Selim esen and andrew kinsman
680
00:30:01,542 --> 00:30:03,124
Were missing within a few
months of each other,
681
00:30:03,135 --> 00:30:05,219
From the church and wellesley street area.
682
00:30:06,663 --> 00:30:09,556
- Within days, they go into
andrew kinsman's apartment.
683
00:30:12,219 --> 00:30:15,136
- We looked around for
any signs of struggle,
684
00:30:15,147 --> 00:30:17,064
Any evidence where
he might have gone.
685
00:30:19,726 --> 00:30:22,569
There was a traditional
calendar that we located
686
00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:26,990
And on that traditional
calendar
687
00:30:27,067 --> 00:30:30,110
Was medical appointments,
bill payments,
688
00:30:30,145 --> 00:30:33,280
And then,
on date of June 26,
689
00:30:33,356 --> 00:30:35,082
Around 2:00 p.M.
Or 3:00 p.M.,
690
00:30:36,151 --> 00:30:38,451
There was the name of "bruce".
691
00:30:38,486 --> 00:30:39,953
(ominous music)
692
00:30:39,988 --> 00:30:42,673
♪♪♪
693
00:30:42,749 --> 00:30:45,166
- You could see the seeds
of shame, and rage,
694
00:30:45,177 --> 00:30:47,678
And resentment planted
very early on.
695
00:30:47,754 --> 00:30:49,179
Wendy: He lived a double life.
696
00:30:49,256 --> 00:30:51,965
This is an individual who is quite skilled
697
00:30:52,042 --> 00:30:53,967
At deceiving everyone
around him.
698
00:30:54,002 --> 00:30:55,677
♪♪♪
699
00:30:55,688 --> 00:30:57,187
- I opened the door,
700
00:30:57,264 --> 00:31:00,140
"you've got to get out of your house, now."
701
00:31:00,175 --> 00:31:02,142
- You could actually see
a ribcage,
702
00:31:02,177 --> 00:31:04,194
That was visible in the x-ray.
703
00:31:04,271 --> 00:31:06,738
- This is as horrible
and horrific as it gets.
704
00:31:07,891 --> 00:31:09,950
♪♪♪
705
00:31:14,689 --> 00:31:18,625
♪♪♪
706
00:31:21,196 --> 00:31:23,538
(traffic sounds)
707
00:31:23,549 --> 00:31:26,333
- It looked like andrew kinsman
went missing
708
00:31:26,368 --> 00:31:29,177
Right around the 3:00 p.M. Mark
on June 26.
709
00:31:30,413 --> 00:31:32,339
And with that information,
710
00:31:32,374 --> 00:31:34,174
We looked at the surveillance video
711
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:36,051
From all over the area
712
00:31:36,061 --> 00:31:38,020
In which andrew kinsman
had lived.
713
00:31:39,473 --> 00:31:41,640
- There had been a red van
that stopped
714
00:31:41,716 --> 00:31:44,517
Outside of andrew kinsman's
apartment, on the same day,
715
00:31:44,552 --> 00:31:47,479
Around the time that he was known to have gone missing.
716
00:31:47,555 --> 00:31:50,023
♪♪♪
717
00:31:50,058 --> 00:31:52,409
- A person came out
of andrew kinsman's house
718
00:31:52,486 --> 00:31:54,694
And got into the passenger's
side of that van.
719
00:31:54,729 --> 00:31:58,198
Unfortunately, the quality
of the video at that location
720
00:31:58,274 --> 00:32:00,867
Wasn't enough to identify
a person;
721
00:32:00,944 --> 00:32:04,204
Wasn't enough to, for sure, identify a vehicle.
722
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,090
It didn't automatically jump out at us to say,
723
00:32:07,167 --> 00:32:09,334
There's your killer
right there.
724
00:32:09,411 --> 00:32:11,503
♪♪♪
725
00:32:11,579 --> 00:32:14,214
- There was a lot that you
couldn't tell from that video.
726
00:32:14,290 --> 00:32:16,224
Picture sort of, like,
grainy footage.
727
00:32:17,419 --> 00:32:19,511
David: I believed it was andrew kinsman,
728
00:32:19,587 --> 00:32:21,554
But I believed the strongest we could probably say in court
729
00:32:21,589 --> 00:32:23,440
Was "a person came out of that house
730
00:32:23,517 --> 00:32:25,558
And definitely gets into
the passenger's side
731
00:32:25,593 --> 00:32:27,519
Of that vehicle."
732
00:32:27,595 --> 00:32:29,229
Wendy: You can't see the driver;
733
00:32:29,305 --> 00:32:31,398
You can't see the licence plate,
734
00:32:31,474 --> 00:32:33,441
But they're able to determine
735
00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:36,036
That this is likely a red dodge caravan.
736
00:32:37,105 --> 00:32:39,239
So, they take stills of the van
737
00:32:39,274 --> 00:32:40,791
To a dodge dealership,
738
00:32:40,867 --> 00:32:44,703
And see if they can determine
the make and model.
739
00:32:44,779 --> 00:32:46,246
(camera shutter snaps)
740
00:32:46,322 --> 00:32:47,914
If they narrowed down the year
741
00:32:47,991 --> 00:32:50,550
It was likely made to 2004.
742
00:32:51,786 --> 00:32:53,220
- We needed to find this
vehicle.
743
00:32:54,622 --> 00:32:57,090
Wendy: Toronto police request ownership information
744
00:32:57,167 --> 00:32:59,426
For that make and model of van.
745
00:32:59,461 --> 00:33:01,594
When that ownership list comes back,
746
00:33:01,671 --> 00:33:05,065
There are 6,000 owners
of that make in ontario.
747
00:33:07,894 --> 00:33:09,602
- I had gone home for the day,
748
00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:11,980
I was in court that day
with another murder,
749
00:33:11,991 --> 00:33:13,606
And I was at my dining room
table,
750
00:33:13,683 --> 00:33:15,775
Looking through
the excel spreadsheet.
751
00:33:15,852 --> 00:33:18,278
Had the name of bruce
in the back of my mind.
752
00:33:18,354 --> 00:33:20,155
Bruce was a name from the calendar,
753
00:33:20,165 --> 00:33:22,407
Who we had not identified.
754
00:33:22,484 --> 00:33:25,285
So, I just happened to run
bruce in the excel spreadsheet,
755
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,589
And it minimized 6,100-plus
lines, down to five.
756
00:33:30,658 --> 00:33:32,792
I looked at each individual
person
757
00:33:32,827 --> 00:33:33,918
And into their background,
758
00:33:33,995 --> 00:33:36,504
To see if they had any dealings with the police,
759
00:33:36,515 --> 00:33:38,265
And, and everyone didn't,
760
00:33:39,375 --> 00:33:41,134
Except for bruce mcarthur.
761
00:33:41,169 --> 00:33:42,802
(computer beeps)
762
00:33:42,837 --> 00:33:44,637
♪♪♪
763
00:33:44,672 --> 00:33:46,857
When I looked into bruce mcarthur's background,
764
00:33:46,933 --> 00:33:49,693
I learned he had been involved
in a violent interaction
765
00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:52,112
In the back of that van,
a year prior.
766
00:34:26,089 --> 00:34:27,898
(ominous music)
767
00:36:37,512 --> 00:36:39,696
- There is no doubt
in john doe's mind
768
00:36:39,773 --> 00:36:42,574
That bruce was trying
to kill him that day.
769
00:36:59,701 --> 00:37:03,044
- Bruce mcarthur turned himself in later that night,
770
00:37:03,055 --> 00:37:04,671
And told police,
771
00:37:04,706 --> 00:37:07,307
Actually it had been
all a misunderstanding.
772
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:11,302
- Bruce mcarthur got ahead
of things
773
00:37:11,379 --> 00:37:13,063
And told his side of the story.
774
00:37:14,233 --> 00:37:16,900
James: Cop basically believed what mcarthur said,
775
00:37:16,977 --> 00:37:20,186
And that it was just
hanky-panky, and let him go,
776
00:37:20,221 --> 00:37:22,522
And didn't file anything.
777
00:37:22,557 --> 00:37:25,024
Wendy: Toronto police, they're supposed to take pictures
778
00:37:25,059 --> 00:37:28,069
Within 72 hours after an
alleged incident like this,
779
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,371
And that just didn't happen.
780
00:37:30,565 --> 00:37:32,490
- When two people tell their
versions of events,
781
00:37:32,567 --> 00:37:34,409
As an investigator,
you need to determine,
782
00:37:34,419 --> 00:37:35,910
Is there evidence
that suggests that
783
00:37:35,921 --> 00:37:37,537
One is more truthful
than the other?
784
00:37:37,572 --> 00:37:40,039
Is there evidence outside
of the two statements?
785
00:37:40,074 --> 00:37:42,542
At the end of the day, the investigator decided
786
00:37:42,618 --> 00:37:45,670
He shouldn't be charged at that time.
787
00:37:45,747 --> 00:37:48,548
- Here is the opportunity for police investigators
788
00:37:48,624 --> 00:37:51,426
To recognize him,
for what he is.
789
00:37:51,436 --> 00:37:55,555
He was sophisticated enough
in his ability to lie,
790
00:37:55,590 --> 00:37:57,524
In his ability to manipulate.
791
00:37:59,135 --> 00:38:01,269
The police had no idea
792
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,021
What the hell they
were dealing with.
793
00:38:03,097 --> 00:38:06,032
♪♪♪
794
00:38:15,276 --> 00:38:18,036
- Immediately, based on
the records that I reviewed,
795
00:38:18,112 --> 00:38:20,588
I knew that bruce mcarthur
is a gay male,
796
00:38:21,875 --> 00:38:23,583
And at least on one occasion,
797
00:38:23,659 --> 00:38:26,386
Had been involved
in a violent interaction.
798
00:38:28,548 --> 00:38:31,049
Understanding what had happened
a year prior,
799
00:38:31,125 --> 00:38:32,600
Was very helpful to me.
800
00:38:37,149 --> 00:38:38,598
- When we interviewed him,
801
00:38:38,633 --> 00:38:40,892
We learned a lot
about bruce mcarthur.
802
00:38:40,968 --> 00:38:42,977
He became a person of interest
803
00:38:42,988 --> 00:38:44,937
In andrew kinsman's
disappearance.
804
00:38:45,014 --> 00:38:46,814
(ominous music)
805
00:38:46,825 --> 00:38:49,275
- I was briefed by dickinson
806
00:38:49,352 --> 00:38:51,903
In September 2017.
807
00:38:51,979 --> 00:38:55,406
What triggered
my recollection was
808
00:38:55,483 --> 00:38:57,492
Bruce mcarthur
having being interviewed,
809
00:38:57,502 --> 00:38:59,619
And I said,
"was he silverfoxx?"
810
00:38:59,654 --> 00:39:01,504
(ominous music)
811
00:39:04,867 --> 00:39:07,919
And that's when it kind of triggered in my mind,
812
00:39:07,995 --> 00:39:10,129
Okay, we might be on
to something here.
813
00:39:10,164 --> 00:39:12,515
♪♪♪
814
00:39:17,505 --> 00:39:21,608
♪♪♪
815
00:39:23,103 --> 00:39:27,605
♪♪♪
816
00:39:27,682 --> 00:39:29,816
- When bruce mcarthur came on our radar,
817
00:39:29,851 --> 00:39:31,776
It was our job to figure out
818
00:39:31,853 --> 00:39:34,037
Everything there was to know
about him.
819
00:39:34,114 --> 00:39:36,831
So, we started conducting surveillance on him.
820
00:39:38,451 --> 00:39:40,377
It was during that period,
821
00:39:40,453 --> 00:39:42,787
Our investigation determined what he did for a living,
822
00:39:42,864 --> 00:39:45,548
And where he went, his lifestyle,
823
00:39:45,625 --> 00:39:47,217
And his patterns,
and his trends.
824
00:39:48,703 --> 00:39:51,003
- They start to pick up on his daily habits.
825
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,140
He lives in a big apartment
building, mid-toronto.
826
00:39:56,043 --> 00:39:57,977
He's working for the
landscaping company.
827
00:39:59,255 --> 00:40:01,222
- I wanna know everything there is to know about him.
828
00:40:01,233 --> 00:40:04,183
We are now looking into his
family, and his friends,
829
00:40:04,218 --> 00:40:05,810
And his partners,
830
00:40:05,887 --> 00:40:08,396
Attempting to learn as much as we can about this person.
831
00:40:08,407 --> 00:40:10,898
♪♪♪
832
00:40:10,909 --> 00:40:12,984
He was married, and he had children himself.
833
00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:14,819
He came out
and moved to toronto.
834
00:40:14,896 --> 00:40:18,239
♪♪♪
835
00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:21,492
Peter: I met bruce maybe 20 years ago, at least.
836
00:40:21,569 --> 00:40:23,035
Bruce would be the kinda guy
837
00:40:23,070 --> 00:40:25,037
That if I ran into him in
the village, and we were bored,
838
00:40:25,072 --> 00:40:26,664
It's like, hey,
let's wolf down a pizza
839
00:40:26,741 --> 00:40:28,374
And, you know, watch an episode
840
00:40:28,451 --> 00:40:30,760
Of "the golden girls",
or something.
841
00:40:30,837 --> 00:40:34,005
- Bruce was kind, helpful,
good at his job,
842
00:40:34,081 --> 00:40:37,091
Loved doing it.
Good to his family.
843
00:40:37,102 --> 00:40:39,519
He helped us with our-
our charitable projects.
844
00:40:41,181 --> 00:40:44,566
- Our circles seemed to cross
paths, so I'd see him often.
845
00:40:45,927 --> 00:40:48,027
- I've known the family
all my life.
846
00:40:49,281 --> 00:40:52,198
- Bruce mcarthur is originally from woodville, ontario.
847
00:40:53,526 --> 00:40:56,161
He grew up on a farm,
and he had a sister.
848
00:40:58,272 --> 00:41:01,124
- His father was an alcoholic,
and very abusive.
849
00:41:01,201 --> 00:41:02,700
(film reel clicks)
850
00:41:02,777 --> 00:41:05,119
Jooyoung: His father was very domineering,
851
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:07,705
Was somebody who didn't express a lot of love
852
00:41:07,782 --> 00:41:10,082
Or affection towards him, and he grew up feeling
853
00:41:10,117 --> 00:41:13,136
Like he had to hide who he
really was around his father,
854
00:41:13,213 --> 00:41:15,638
And maybe felt like he could
never really live up
855
00:41:15,715 --> 00:41:19,476
To his father's expectations
of him.
856
00:41:19,552 --> 00:41:21,719
Karen: Bruce used to lock
857
00:41:21,796 --> 00:41:24,305
His younger sister in the bedroom,
858
00:41:24,316 --> 00:41:27,817
To keep the abusive father away from her,
859
00:41:27,894 --> 00:41:29,986
And I think some very bad
things happened
860
00:41:30,063 --> 00:41:32,739
That I don't think
he's ever told anybody.
861
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,901
- There's a lot of variation in serial killer families,
862
00:41:36,978 --> 00:41:40,446
But typically,
there is a history of abuse -
863
00:41:40,481 --> 00:41:42,156
Whether that's physical abuse,
864
00:41:42,167 --> 00:41:44,450
Or psychological abuse,
or neglect.
865
00:41:44,527 --> 00:41:46,994
Serial killers,
from a very early age,
866
00:41:47,005 --> 00:41:49,839
Often don't have the same
kind of loving connections
867
00:41:49,916 --> 00:41:53,885
To their parents that you know, most people do.
868
00:41:57,257 --> 00:42:00,174
- Bruce mcarthur grew up
in the 1950s and 60s.
869
00:42:00,185 --> 00:42:02,185
You can imagine what kind
of environment
870
00:42:02,262 --> 00:42:05,313
That is for someone who is
realizing that they're gay.
871
00:42:07,008 --> 00:42:09,976
- A flood tide of filth
is engulfing our country.
872
00:42:10,052 --> 00:42:11,978
Think, then, of the consequences
873
00:42:12,013 --> 00:42:14,272
To put these homosexuals.
874
00:42:14,348 --> 00:42:17,984
- You can see the seeds
of shame, and rage,
875
00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:19,986
And resentment planted
very early on,
876
00:42:20,062 --> 00:42:22,321
As bruce mcarthur grew up
in a society
877
00:42:22,398 --> 00:42:26,367
That was not tolerant towards lgbtq people.
878
00:42:26,378 --> 00:42:28,953
- It wouldn't be something that I would imagine
879
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:31,706
He'd be discussing with
even his closest friends,
880
00:42:31,716 --> 00:42:34,166
Let alone his family.
881
00:42:34,201 --> 00:42:35,793
Jooyoung: He grew up in a family
882
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:37,720
That was highly religious,
883
00:42:37,797 --> 00:42:39,630
That probably also looked down upon this, so,
884
00:42:39,707 --> 00:42:42,133
From a very early age,
he learned to repress
885
00:42:42,209 --> 00:42:43,393
Who he really was,
886
00:42:43,469 --> 00:42:46,971
And tried to hide this and conceal this from everyone.
887
00:42:47,048 --> 00:42:50,182
Wendy: He went to high school and met his future wife,
888
00:42:50,259 --> 00:42:52,318
And he married his high school sweetheart.
889
00:42:53,905 --> 00:42:55,730
- They had two children,
890
00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:57,574
And now he has grandchildren.
891
00:42:57,650 --> 00:43:00,026
His daughter and his son,
and his wife,
892
00:43:00,102 --> 00:43:01,819
They all got along
extremely well.
893
00:43:01,896 --> 00:43:04,163
Very comfortable family.
894
00:43:05,733 --> 00:43:08,242
- They lived in a nice house.
895
00:43:08,253 --> 00:43:10,036
You know, I don't know
if there was a picket fence,
896
00:43:10,112 --> 00:43:12,213
But you get the impression.
897
00:43:13,499 --> 00:43:16,000
- He realizes that he can hide in plain sight
898
00:43:16,077 --> 00:43:18,252
If he has this idyllic family
899
00:43:18,263 --> 00:43:19,670
With a wife and two kids,
900
00:43:19,747 --> 00:43:21,714
Working a regular job,
901
00:43:21,749 --> 00:43:23,549
But there could've been another side of him
902
00:43:23,584 --> 00:43:26,010
Where he may have had urges,
903
00:43:26,087 --> 00:43:29,606
Or fantasies that even pre-date any kind of violent assaults,
904
00:43:29,682 --> 00:43:32,850
And was hoping that getting
married,
905
00:43:32,927 --> 00:43:35,227
Starting this life,
was gonna be enough
906
00:43:35,262 --> 00:43:37,196
To kinda keep him
from doing those things.
907
00:43:38,432 --> 00:43:40,116
James: He led a double life in so many ways.
908
00:43:40,193 --> 00:43:43,235
For many years,
living in the-in the country,
909
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:45,696
With his wife
and having children,
910
00:43:45,773 --> 00:43:48,207
But also a secret interest in men.
911
00:43:49,276 --> 00:43:50,868
- This wasn't something
that he dealt with
912
00:43:50,945 --> 00:43:53,037
In early adulthood,
and then he came out,
913
00:43:53,114 --> 00:43:55,247
This is something that he lived
with and tried to hide
914
00:43:55,282 --> 00:43:57,717
From the world for most of his adult life.
915
00:43:59,286 --> 00:44:01,587
- He discovered he was gay
and had some gay affairs
916
00:44:01,622 --> 00:44:03,756
In the 70s and 80s.
917
00:44:03,833 --> 00:44:05,391
(traffic hums)
918
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,623
(glass shatters)
919
00:44:37,658 --> 00:44:40,501
- This was probably a very
painful experience for him -
920
00:44:40,512 --> 00:44:43,337
A traumatic one that's led
to the disillusion
921
00:44:43,348 --> 00:44:44,755
Of his marriage,
922
00:44:44,832 --> 00:44:47,350
That led to the crumbling down
of his life.
923
00:44:47,427 --> 00:44:50,186
- Did he have a resentment
against toronto's gay community
924
00:44:50,263 --> 00:44:52,930
Because he was outed to his wife,
925
00:44:53,007 --> 00:44:54,640
And that wrecked
the second life
926
00:44:54,675 --> 00:44:56,934
That he was-he was living?
927
00:44:57,011 --> 00:44:59,645
- The fact that the felt like he lost control
928
00:44:59,722 --> 00:45:02,273
Over his identity,
over his true self,
929
00:45:02,349 --> 00:45:05,943
Over the capacity
to come out on his own,
930
00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:07,954
Could've been a traumatic
trigger.
931
00:45:10,208 --> 00:45:13,367
- He divorced his wife
late 1990s
932
00:45:13,378 --> 00:45:16,295
And set up an apartment
in toronto.
933
00:45:17,865 --> 00:45:19,665
- The kids would've been
in their teens.
934
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:22,135
I don't think they were totally
comfortable with it.
935
00:45:23,296 --> 00:45:25,221
- I had a partner at the time that belonged to
936
00:45:25,298 --> 00:45:26,538
A group called "gay fathers".
937
00:45:26,574 --> 00:45:29,967
They were um, middle-aged men
that came out later in life.
938
00:45:30,044 --> 00:45:31,677
It was a support group.
939
00:45:31,754 --> 00:45:33,554
They'd have meetings in the village,
940
00:45:33,565 --> 00:45:35,347
And then later, meet for coffee,
941
00:45:35,382 --> 00:45:37,349
Or a drink on one of the patios,
942
00:45:37,426 --> 00:45:38,976
And bruce was there.
943
00:45:39,053 --> 00:45:41,520
- Him and his wife split.
944
00:45:41,597 --> 00:45:43,564
That's when he moved to toronto
945
00:45:43,575 --> 00:45:45,691
And began living as a gay man,
946
00:45:45,768 --> 00:45:48,077
Frequenting toronto's gay village,
947
00:45:48,154 --> 00:45:51,998
And subsequently, starting his landscaping business.
948
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,836
- I've known the family
for years.
949
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,997
Wendy: Karen fraser,
she's neighbours
950
00:46:00,074 --> 00:46:01,874
With bruce mcarthur's sister,
951
00:46:01,951 --> 00:46:04,335
At her cottage north
of toronto.
952
00:46:04,411 --> 00:46:06,545
Karen: He bought the gardening business.
953
00:46:06,580 --> 00:46:08,214
His sister called me and said,
954
00:46:08,249 --> 00:46:11,175
"you have a double garage
that you don't use,
955
00:46:11,252 --> 00:46:14,220
Would you let my brother store his equipment?"
956
00:46:14,255 --> 00:46:17,148
And I said, "well, if he cut the lawn, it's a deal."
957
00:46:18,634 --> 00:46:21,519
Wendy: He offered to take care of their lawn
958
00:46:21,595 --> 00:46:24,688
While they were away for long
stretches of the summer,
959
00:46:24,765 --> 00:46:26,449
At their cottage.
960
00:46:26,526 --> 00:46:29,443
So, it was a-a mutually beneficial agreement.
961
00:46:29,454 --> 00:46:30,787
- It was simple,
962
00:46:30,863 --> 00:46:32,530
And then of course,
963
00:46:32,606 --> 00:46:35,241
He started decorating all
the planters around our house.
964
00:46:35,317 --> 00:46:38,577
I thought it was the greatest
deal I'd ever made in my life.
965
00:46:38,654 --> 00:46:40,046
(ominous music)
966
00:46:41,633 --> 00:46:44,041
I asked him, "what do you
do the rest of the year?"
967
00:46:44,118 --> 00:46:46,377
He said, "I also work
in a mall as santa claus."
968
00:46:46,453 --> 00:46:48,921
♪♪♪
969
00:46:48,998 --> 00:46:50,756
He was good at it.
970
00:46:50,791 --> 00:46:52,925
He got along well with children.
971
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,052
Jooyoung: Serial killers like to construct
972
00:46:55,129 --> 00:46:57,814
This mask of normalcy that they wear,
973
00:46:57,890 --> 00:46:59,932
Participating in wholesome
activities
974
00:46:59,967 --> 00:47:03,152
Like being a mall santa,
or being a clown.
975
00:47:03,229 --> 00:47:06,063
Kind of like this front to further conceal
976
00:47:06,140 --> 00:47:08,282
Their true selves from the rest of society.
977
00:47:10,736 --> 00:47:12,319
- He lived a double life.
978
00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:15,447
This is an individual
who is quite skilled
979
00:47:15,482 --> 00:47:17,959
At deceiving everyone
around him.
980
00:47:19,153 --> 00:47:21,620
- His double life then was
that he was a landscaper
981
00:47:21,697 --> 00:47:25,624
Who was frequently meeting
people uh, for sex.
982
00:47:25,659 --> 00:47:27,585
He was online all the time
983
00:47:27,661 --> 00:47:31,097
As a middle-aged man
looking for, shall we say,
984
00:47:32,666 --> 00:47:34,100
Um, wilder sex.
985
00:47:35,761 --> 00:47:37,469
- We have a bunch
of red flags:
986
00:47:37,546 --> 00:47:39,597
Traumatic childhood,
987
00:47:39,673 --> 00:47:42,024
Violent urges.
988
00:47:42,101 --> 00:47:43,976
There's a confluence of things.
989
00:47:44,053 --> 00:47:45,686
The rough sex,
990
00:47:45,697 --> 00:47:48,105
Hedonistic life that he was trying to live
991
00:47:48,182 --> 00:47:50,816
After repressed for so many years, escalated,
992
00:47:50,893 --> 00:47:53,360
And he realized that
he enjoyed that.
993
00:47:53,371 --> 00:47:56,322
The experience of sexual domination,
994
00:47:56,357 --> 00:47:59,542
The excitement that you feel
in the moment,
995
00:47:59,619 --> 00:48:01,127
Having that kind of control.
996
00:48:02,196 --> 00:48:03,829
Then, if he takes it
to the next level
997
00:48:03,864 --> 00:48:05,789
And commits lethal violence,
998
00:48:05,866 --> 00:48:07,049
That that's even more
of a rush.
999
00:48:08,369 --> 00:48:11,137
♪♪♪
1000
00:48:16,135 --> 00:48:19,645
♪♪♪
1001
00:48:21,065 --> 00:48:23,515
♪♪♪
1002
00:48:23,550 --> 00:48:25,684
Wendy: Bruce mcarthur had been identified
1003
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,069
As a person of interest
1004
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,656
In the disappearance of andrew kinsman.
1005
00:48:32,151 --> 00:48:34,360
One of the first red flags
1006
00:48:34,436 --> 00:48:36,820
Is bruce mcarthur
had been alleged
1007
00:48:36,897 --> 00:48:39,156
To have assaulted a man
in 2016,
1008
00:48:39,233 --> 00:48:41,334
Inside the red van.
1009
00:48:58,585 --> 00:49:00,386
Wendy: While toronto police are beginning
1010
00:49:00,462 --> 00:49:02,596
To look into bruce mcarthur,
1011
00:49:02,607 --> 00:49:05,057
Fairly quickly,
they actually learned
1012
00:49:05,092 --> 00:49:08,060
That he has sold that red van.
1013
00:49:08,137 --> 00:49:10,604
(traffic whooshes)
1014
00:49:10,615 --> 00:49:13,065
David: Bruce mcarthur
was the last person,
1015
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:14,566
Or at least somebody
driving his van,
1016
00:49:14,601 --> 00:49:16,827
Was the last person
to pick up andrew kinsman.
1017
00:49:18,364 --> 00:49:21,082
Before andrew kinsman
was never seen again.
1018
00:49:23,652 --> 00:49:26,128
When we start looking
into the van,
1019
00:49:26,205 --> 00:49:28,747
We discover that
he's no longer driving it.
1020
00:49:28,824 --> 00:49:33,627
♪♪♪
1021
00:49:33,638 --> 00:49:35,921
We have no evidence that
anyone's been murdered.
1022
00:49:35,956 --> 00:49:38,391
We don't have a-a body,
we don't have a crime scene.
1023
00:49:39,835 --> 00:49:41,143
We have a missing person,
1024
00:49:41,220 --> 00:49:43,095
And we have someone who we believe
1025
00:49:43,172 --> 00:49:45,222
Picks up that missing person
1026
00:49:45,299 --> 00:49:47,474
On the last day that they're last seen.
1027
00:49:47,485 --> 00:49:50,319
At that point, it was important
to find that van.
1028
00:49:52,139 --> 00:49:53,939
Wendy: What they did as investigators,
1029
00:49:53,974 --> 00:49:56,233
Was start to fan out
1030
00:49:56,310 --> 00:49:57,994
And go to wrecking yards,
1031
00:49:58,070 --> 00:50:00,287
And auto body shops
in the area.
1032
00:50:03,484 --> 00:50:05,242
- Bruce mcarthur seemed
to have a history
1033
00:50:05,319 --> 00:50:07,244
Of wrecking his vehicles
in the past,
1034
00:50:07,321 --> 00:50:09,121
So, we thought we'd check
wrecking yards
1035
00:50:09,156 --> 00:50:11,173
In the east end of toronto.
1036
00:50:11,250 --> 00:50:13,634
It took weeks.
1037
00:50:15,588 --> 00:50:17,629
I got a call from my investigator
1038
00:50:17,664 --> 00:50:19,890
That they located it
at dom's auto in courtice.
1039
00:50:21,668 --> 00:50:25,471
♪♪♪
1040
00:50:25,506 --> 00:50:27,973
- A couple of metro
detectives came in,
1041
00:50:28,008 --> 00:50:30,776
Asked if we had a particular
vehicle in our inventory.
1042
00:50:32,271 --> 00:50:34,480
They just said it was involved in a crime.
1043
00:50:34,556 --> 00:50:37,649
We assumed it was some sort of hit and run,
1044
00:50:37,684 --> 00:50:40,286
Or a theft crime of some sort.
We had no idea.
1045
00:50:42,564 --> 00:50:45,207
David: When bruce mcarthur sold it to dom's,
1046
00:50:45,284 --> 00:50:47,659
Not long after,
there was an announcement
1047
00:50:47,736 --> 00:50:49,703
That, you know,
we were looking into
1048
00:50:49,714 --> 00:50:52,298
The disappearances
of the missing men.
1049
00:50:53,867 --> 00:50:56,385
I did believe that there was
some sort of nefarious purpose
1050
00:50:56,462 --> 00:50:58,304
To him getting rid
of his vehicle.
1051
00:51:01,375 --> 00:51:03,392
- Bruce mcarthur pulled up
his car, uh,
1052
00:51:03,469 --> 00:51:05,644
With the front end
facing the side door, here.
1053
00:51:06,806 --> 00:51:08,522
I came out,
looked around the vehicle.
1054
00:51:09,901 --> 00:51:12,485
Made him an offer on it; he accepted right away.
1055
00:51:13,905 --> 00:51:17,898
We paid bruce mcarthur $125 for his vehicle.
1056
00:51:17,909 --> 00:51:20,159
(ominous music)
1057
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:23,987
He seemed just like,
a normal-normal person.
1058
00:51:24,064 --> 00:51:26,332
There was nothing out of
the ordinary about this guy.
1059
00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:29,335
He didn't look nervous, at all.
1060
00:51:30,830 --> 00:51:33,163
The only thing that was really sorta different
1061
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:35,925
Was the fact that he didn't
for any more money, at all.
1062
00:51:36,001 --> 00:51:38,710
He just settled on the price
that I offered him,
1063
00:51:38,745 --> 00:51:40,763
I paid him, and took the
ownership, and off he went.
1064
00:51:42,916 --> 00:51:44,550
- They got lucky.
1065
00:51:44,585 --> 00:51:46,885
The red caravan owned
by bruce mcarthur
1066
00:51:46,962 --> 00:51:49,263
Was still in the auto yard.
1067
00:51:49,273 --> 00:51:53,725
♪♪♪
1068
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,945
- Obviously, most wrecking
yards would wreck vehicles.
1069
00:51:58,265 --> 00:51:59,990
Any evidence would be
destroyed.
1070
00:52:03,362 --> 00:52:06,372
We were very lucky that
it was 90 percent intact.
1071
00:52:09,201 --> 00:52:11,001
- They had actually maintained
the van.
1072
00:52:13,614 --> 00:52:15,422
It still had evidentiary value.
1073
00:52:17,635 --> 00:52:19,885
Toronto police seized the van,
1074
00:52:21,455 --> 00:52:23,556
They drove it back to toronto,
1075
00:52:24,791 --> 00:52:27,309
And had it tested at the centre for forensic science.
1076
00:52:27,386 --> 00:52:29,979
And I know that-that police actually followed the van
1077
00:52:30,055 --> 00:52:32,481
All the way down the highway, back to toronto,
1078
00:52:32,558 --> 00:52:34,358
Because they didn't wanna lose it again.
1079
00:52:36,896 --> 00:52:38,737
David: The van is examined and analyzed,
1080
00:52:40,307 --> 00:52:42,274
And this doesn't happen,
you know, overnight.
1081
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:44,285
Not like television.
1082
00:52:45,312 --> 00:52:46,778
This was about a month later
1083
00:52:46,855 --> 00:52:48,414
That it took for us to get the results.
1084
00:52:51,169 --> 00:52:53,785
- Once the forensic testing is done,
1085
00:52:53,820 --> 00:52:56,922
They determine that there was,
in fact, blood in the van,
1086
00:52:58,158 --> 00:53:01,126
And it almost certainly
belonged to andrew kinsman.
1087
00:53:01,161 --> 00:53:03,295
♪♪♪
1088
00:53:03,372 --> 00:53:05,172
At this point,
1089
00:53:05,183 --> 00:53:07,925
Bruce mcarthur is named a suspect
1090
00:53:08,001 --> 00:53:09,435
In andrew kinsman's death.
1091
00:53:12,172 --> 00:53:14,648
♪♪♪
1092
00:53:18,696 --> 00:53:22,656
♪♪♪
1093
00:53:25,894 --> 00:53:27,945
Wendy: Toronto police had their suspicions
1094
00:53:28,021 --> 00:53:30,113
That bruce mcarthur had killed andrew kinsman
1095
00:53:30,190 --> 00:53:32,458
Inside of his red caravan.
1096
00:53:34,620 --> 00:53:37,621
Police likely could have made an arrest at that time,
1097
00:53:37,698 --> 00:53:40,624
But the amount of blood that was found in the van
1098
00:53:40,701 --> 00:53:44,169
Was not enough to automatically show
1099
00:53:44,204 --> 00:53:46,213
Andrew kinsman was dead,
1100
00:53:46,224 --> 00:53:48,340
Or that he had been killed
inside the van.
1101
00:53:48,417 --> 00:53:50,726
David: It was small amounts of blood.
1102
00:53:50,803 --> 00:53:54,313
It was blood the size
of the head of a pencil.
1103
00:53:55,233 --> 00:53:56,732
As an investigator,
1104
00:53:56,809 --> 00:53:59,184
I knew that it could be
explained away in court.
1105
00:53:59,261 --> 00:54:01,144
Andrew kinsman and bruce mcarthur
1106
00:54:01,221 --> 00:54:03,146
Had a previous relationship.
1107
00:54:03,223 --> 00:54:04,907
An experienced defence counsel
1108
00:54:04,984 --> 00:54:07,526
Could easily explain the blood
from a previous encounter,
1109
00:54:07,561 --> 00:54:09,995
Or andrew kinsman cut himself
while in the vehicle.
1110
00:54:11,898 --> 00:54:14,032
- Even with kinsman's
blood identified
1111
00:54:14,109 --> 00:54:15,867
In the back of his van,
1112
00:54:15,944 --> 00:54:19,705
And mcarthur's association
to at least two,
1113
00:54:19,781 --> 00:54:22,591
If not three, of the previous
missing persons,
1114
00:54:22,668 --> 00:54:25,252
You're not even close to having enough evidence
1115
00:54:25,263 --> 00:54:27,054
To make an arrest yet.
1116
00:54:28,457 --> 00:54:30,048
Wendy: Police wanted to continue
1117
00:54:30,125 --> 00:54:32,592
To investigate bruce mcarthur, from afar.
1118
00:54:32,603 --> 00:54:35,053
They did not want to tip
him off to the fact
1119
00:54:35,130 --> 00:54:36,722
That he was under
investigation.
1120
00:54:36,757 --> 00:54:38,515
David: Up until November 8th,
1121
00:54:38,592 --> 00:54:40,225
Bruce mcarthur was a person of interest
1122
00:54:40,260 --> 00:54:41,852
In andrew kinsman's
disappearance,
1123
00:54:41,928 --> 00:54:44,396
So, any surveillance that
we were doing on him
1124
00:54:44,473 --> 00:54:46,898
At that point was more
to understand who he was.
1125
00:54:46,975 --> 00:54:48,692
(engines rumble)
1126
00:54:48,769 --> 00:54:50,944
Once he became a suspect, we're surveilling him,
1127
00:54:50,955 --> 00:54:52,705
To protect the public.
1128
00:54:54,959 --> 00:54:57,626
Hank: Surveillance had to be ramped up.
1129
00:54:58,704 --> 00:55:00,129
We couldn't let him out
of our sight.
1130
00:55:01,490 --> 00:55:04,416
- If bruce mcarthur knows police are investigating him,
1131
00:55:04,493 --> 00:55:06,626
He may do all kinds of things,
1132
00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:08,804
Like, destroy information
1133
00:55:08,881 --> 00:55:11,390
That may tie him
to these homicides.
1134
00:55:12,459 --> 00:55:15,644
So, it's crucial police don't provide mcarthur
1135
00:55:15,721 --> 00:55:17,730
With information
that they're onto him.
1136
00:55:19,508 --> 00:55:21,058
- There was lots happening.
1137
00:55:21,134 --> 00:55:22,726
Ultimately, a decision
was made that, you know,
1138
00:55:22,803 --> 00:55:24,436
We were gonna attempt
to get into his apartment,
1139
00:55:24,513 --> 00:55:26,438
To search it for evidence.
1140
00:55:26,515 --> 00:55:28,982
- So, they apply for a warrant
1141
00:55:28,993 --> 00:55:31,318
To allow them to go
into his apartment
1142
00:55:31,329 --> 00:55:33,445
And search covertly.
1143
00:55:33,522 --> 00:55:36,656
♪♪♪
1144
00:55:36,667 --> 00:55:39,451
- We were authorized to enter
his apartment surreptitiously,
1145
00:55:39,528 --> 00:55:41,828
Without letting him know
we were in there.
1146
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:44,664
♪♪♪
1147
00:55:44,675 --> 00:55:47,667
We got a warrant on December 5th.
1148
00:55:47,678 --> 00:55:51,463
A few days later, on December 8th,
1149
00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:54,299
He left and went to
the east end of toronto.
1150
00:55:54,376 --> 00:55:56,468
Well, we decided
to take the opportunity
1151
00:55:56,545 --> 00:55:58,437
To attempt to-to go
into his apartment.
1152
00:56:00,432 --> 00:56:02,182
Wendy: By then, they knew his
1153
00:56:02,193 --> 00:56:04,017
Daily movement around the city,
1154
00:56:04,028 --> 00:56:06,028
They knew he was off
doing landscaping work.
1155
00:56:07,940 --> 00:56:10,649
David: Primary focus was to clone his computer.
1156
00:56:10,725 --> 00:56:12,651
There was also a physical
search that was done,
1157
00:56:12,727 --> 00:56:14,945
Looking through drawers,
et cetera.
1158
00:56:15,021 --> 00:56:16,947
Wendy: So, they go into the apartment,
1159
00:56:17,023 --> 00:56:20,117
They start looking through his devices.
1160
00:56:20,193 --> 00:56:23,036
David: We had several members of the toronto police service
1161
00:56:23,047 --> 00:56:24,996
Inside his apartment.
1162
00:56:25,073 --> 00:56:27,457
I was communicating with people
1163
00:56:27,534 --> 00:56:29,000
Who were watching bruce mcarthur.
1164
00:56:29,077 --> 00:56:30,836
He had set patterns.
1165
00:56:30,871 --> 00:56:33,130
We knew where he'd be Monday,
Tuesday, Wednesday,
1166
00:56:33,206 --> 00:56:35,173
But unfortunately,
the week of December 5th,
1167
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:36,341
His pattern changed.
1168
00:56:36,376 --> 00:56:38,051
(music intensifies)
1169
00:56:38,062 --> 00:56:40,437
- They get the call that
mcarthur is coming back.
1170
00:56:41,590 --> 00:56:43,232
Hank: Last thing you want is someone to come home
1171
00:56:43,308 --> 00:56:45,392
And walk in on you.
1172
00:56:45,403 --> 00:56:47,519
And once he started heading back home,
1173
00:56:47,596 --> 00:56:49,396
You have to shut
everything down,
1174
00:56:49,407 --> 00:56:51,240
And get out of there
as fast as you can.
1175
00:56:51,316 --> 00:56:53,075
(computer beeps)
1176
00:56:53,152 --> 00:56:56,027
Wendy: You can imagine how stressful it would be,
1177
00:56:56,062 --> 00:56:58,697
As an investigator, to go into someone's home,
1178
00:56:58,773 --> 00:57:00,824
Then have someone radio in,
1179
00:57:00,901 --> 00:57:03,168
Actually he's coming back
to the apartment.
1180
00:57:04,404 --> 00:57:06,538
- I'm liaising with my people
who are watching him.
1181
00:57:06,615 --> 00:57:08,424
If he drove directly
to the apartment,
1182
00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:10,259
I'd say he had ten minutes
to get back there.
1183
00:57:10,335 --> 00:57:12,928
(music intensifies)
1184
00:57:13,005 --> 00:57:15,097
Wendy: They had no choice;
they had to leave.
1185
00:57:17,509 --> 00:57:19,626
(music intensifies)
1186
00:57:22,631 --> 00:57:24,556
- They got out,
just in the nick of time,
1187
00:57:24,591 --> 00:57:27,017
Before bruce mcarthur
ended up coming home.
1188
00:57:27,093 --> 00:57:29,436
David: We were successful in
getting into his apartment.
1189
00:57:29,447 --> 00:57:31,271
We were only able to get
1190
00:57:31,282 --> 00:57:32,856
About 50 percent
of his computer.
1191
00:57:32,933 --> 00:57:36,735
- If I saw that in
a scripted tv cop show,
1192
00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:38,278
I would be like, ugh,
1193
00:57:38,289 --> 00:57:41,498
You know that's not believable,
but this happened.
1194
00:57:43,127 --> 00:57:45,410
Over the following weeks, toronto police investigators
1195
00:57:45,445 --> 00:57:47,913
Are frantically digging through
1196
00:57:47,989 --> 00:57:51,541
The contents of mcarthur's computer.
1197
00:57:51,618 --> 00:57:53,460
David: We were looking for google search sites,
1198
00:57:53,471 --> 00:57:55,587
Emails, anything that might lead us to
1199
00:57:55,664 --> 00:57:57,589
An idea where andrew kinsman
might be.
1200
00:57:57,624 --> 00:57:59,382
Wendy: They're using all kinds of software
1201
00:57:59,459 --> 00:58:01,801
To look at his searches.
1202
00:58:01,812 --> 00:58:04,721
They wanna see if he's got any maps that he's pulled up.
1203
00:58:04,798 --> 00:58:07,265
Any kind of indication
where he's been
1204
00:58:07,342 --> 00:58:08,600
In the last few months,
1205
00:58:08,677 --> 00:58:10,936
And who he's communicating with.
1206
00:58:10,971 --> 00:58:13,772
- It was quite a staggering
amount of information
1207
00:58:13,807 --> 00:58:16,107
To go through.
1208
00:58:16,142 --> 00:58:18,109
- Mcarthur had a lot
of pictures of men
1209
00:58:18,144 --> 00:58:19,536
On his computer.
1210
00:58:20,572 --> 00:58:22,331
He had pictures of andrew kinsman,
1211
00:58:22,407 --> 00:58:24,783
Taken when they were out in nature together,
1212
00:58:24,859 --> 00:58:27,294
Taking photos together,
in much happier times.
1213
00:58:28,822 --> 00:58:31,289
- As an investigator, there
was good evidence on there,
1214
00:58:31,324 --> 00:58:32,841
But it wasn't enough.
1215
00:58:32,918 --> 00:58:35,511
We knew andrew kinsman had a previous history
1216
00:58:35,587 --> 00:58:37,513
With bruce mcarthur.
1217
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:39,422
We still think this person's responsible
1218
00:58:39,499 --> 00:58:41,841
For andrew kinsman's murder -
we don't have the evidence yet,
1219
00:58:41,852 --> 00:58:43,635
But we need to keep trying
to get it.
1220
00:58:43,712 --> 00:58:46,930
So, we were going to other methods.
1221
00:58:47,007 --> 00:58:49,140
Wendy: One of the detectives,
part of "project prism,"
1222
00:58:49,175 --> 00:58:51,017
Decided to sift through
the contents
1223
00:58:51,028 --> 00:58:53,478
Of mcarthur's computer
with a different kind of
1224
00:58:53,555 --> 00:58:56,114
Photo-specific search device.
1225
00:58:57,726 --> 00:58:59,368
As a result of that search,
1226
00:58:59,444 --> 00:59:01,870
He starts to pick up on images
1227
00:59:01,947 --> 00:59:04,781
That are different from some of the ones
1228
00:59:04,858 --> 00:59:07,292
The police had found on mcarthur's computer, before.
1229
00:59:09,529 --> 00:59:12,831
- The images weren't actually still on the computer,
1230
00:59:12,907 --> 00:59:16,167
But we were able to recover
ghosts of those images,
1231
00:59:16,244 --> 00:59:17,961
Because they had been
deleted or removed
1232
00:59:18,038 --> 00:59:19,671
At some point in time or transferred
1233
00:59:19,748 --> 00:59:22,057
To or from the computer.
1234
00:59:22,134 --> 00:59:25,010
- He had other images on
his computer
1235
00:59:25,086 --> 00:59:27,345
That included a picture
of a poster
1236
00:59:27,422 --> 00:59:29,273
Advertising "project houston."
1237
00:59:30,475 --> 00:59:32,401
That obviously would've been
an indication to police
1238
00:59:32,477 --> 00:59:35,353
That mcarthur was watching
their earlier investigation
1239
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:37,114
Into the disappearances.
1240
00:59:38,650 --> 00:59:41,076
- Serial killers get a rush
1241
00:59:41,153 --> 00:59:43,486
Out of knowing that people
are talking
1242
00:59:43,563 --> 00:59:45,488
About crimes that
they've committed,
1243
00:59:45,565 --> 00:59:47,624
And that nobody is on to them.
1244
00:59:49,569 --> 00:59:52,370
- After many hours
of searching,
1245
00:59:52,405 --> 00:59:54,205
The toronto police investigator
1246
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,925
Finds an image different from the ones
1247
00:59:57,002 --> 00:59:59,210
Police have found so far.
1248
00:59:59,287 --> 01:00:02,097
- They start pulling files off
of his computer,
1249
01:00:02,174 --> 01:00:04,266
Which would end up being
the smoking gun
1250
01:00:04,343 --> 01:00:06,101
For their investigation.
1251
01:00:06,178 --> 01:00:09,771
- This picture was
on mcarthur's bed.
1252
01:00:10,924 --> 01:00:15,027
It was of a man who looked
as though he was dead.
1253
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,905
♪♪♪
1254
01:00:23,370 --> 01:00:26,872
♪♪♪
1255
01:00:29,776 --> 01:00:31,251
(low hum of chatter)
1256
01:00:32,612 --> 01:00:34,412
Adrian: So, they had a photo of this man
1257
01:00:34,489 --> 01:00:36,581
That they got from mcarthur's
hard drive.
1258
01:00:36,616 --> 01:00:38,300
It's shocking.
1259
01:00:38,377 --> 01:00:39,885
(mouse clicks)
1260
01:00:41,121 --> 01:00:42,971
Wendy: The toronto police
investigator finds an image
1261
01:00:43,048 --> 01:00:45,090
That is different from the ones
1262
01:00:45,166 --> 01:00:47,017
That police have found so far.
1263
01:00:47,961 --> 01:00:50,595
It is a picture of selim esen,
1264
01:00:50,672 --> 01:00:51,888
And he is dead.
1265
01:00:51,965 --> 01:00:54,066
(ominous music)
1266
01:00:55,343 --> 01:00:58,061
It's difficult to overstate
how important this was.
1267
01:00:58,138 --> 01:00:59,729
This was the first direct
evidence
1268
01:00:59,806 --> 01:01:01,490
That toronto police had,
1269
01:01:01,566 --> 01:01:03,233
That selim esen was dead,
1270
01:01:03,309 --> 01:01:05,911
And that bruce mcarthur was involved.
1271
01:01:09,983 --> 01:01:11,833
- All of a sudden,
you go from no evidence
1272
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:13,660
To link the two together,
1273
01:01:13,671 --> 01:01:16,955
To right now, we can charge him
for murder for it,
1274
01:01:16,990 --> 01:01:19,624
Because we have a photograph
of-of selim esen,
1275
01:01:19,701 --> 01:01:21,134
Deceased in his bed.
1276
01:01:22,087 --> 01:01:23,970
(ominous music)
1277
01:01:25,874 --> 01:01:28,100
Wendy: The search through the computer had continued.
1278
01:01:29,169 --> 01:01:31,928
They were able to locate
a deceased image
1279
01:01:32,005 --> 01:01:33,647
Of andrew kinsman, as well.
1280
01:01:35,383 --> 01:01:37,684
- As an investigator,
it's a strange feeling
1281
01:01:37,695 --> 01:01:39,978
Because you're brought
into this
1282
01:01:40,013 --> 01:01:41,938
To ultimately figure out
what happened.
1283
01:01:42,015 --> 01:01:43,532
We were looking into the disappearances
1284
01:01:43,608 --> 01:01:44,983
Of these two men,
1285
01:01:45,018 --> 01:01:47,661
And we were now finding out
what happened.
1286
01:01:49,898 --> 01:01:51,781
It's not what anyone had hoped for,
1287
01:01:51,858 --> 01:01:53,375
It's not what we wanted,
1288
01:01:53,452 --> 01:01:55,419
But we were getting
those answers.
1289
01:01:56,529 --> 01:01:57,871
And then, we start uncovering photographs
1290
01:01:57,881 --> 01:01:59,715
Of the other missing men.
1291
01:02:00,867 --> 01:02:03,334
Wendy: They came upon images of the other missing men,
1292
01:02:03,369 --> 01:02:05,670
Who also appeared
to be deceased.
1293
01:02:05,705 --> 01:02:07,222
This was huge.
1294
01:02:07,299 --> 01:02:09,549
I mean, this was toronto
police discovering
1295
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,509
That bruce mcarthur...
1296
01:02:11,586 --> 01:02:12,844
Is a serial killer.
1297
01:02:12,921 --> 01:02:15,305
(ominous music)
1298
01:02:15,381 --> 01:02:17,223
- From what we learned,
most of the pictures,
1299
01:02:17,234 --> 01:02:19,184
If not all, were taken
in the apartment,
1300
01:02:19,219 --> 01:02:20,694
In his bedroom.
1301
01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:25,574
Wendy: Bruce mcarthur took pictures of his victims.
1302
01:02:25,650 --> 01:02:28,452
Dressing them up, putting them near a fur coat.
1303
01:02:29,654 --> 01:02:32,080
In one case, he put a cigar in a victim's mouth.
1304
01:02:33,066 --> 01:02:34,824
It's highly disturbing.
1305
01:02:34,901 --> 01:02:37,252
Adrian: After he killed them, they were tied to his bed,
1306
01:02:37,329 --> 01:02:39,162
Then he'd dress them,
1307
01:02:39,239 --> 01:02:40,872
And he'd position them in different ways.
1308
01:02:40,907 --> 01:02:43,508
Position them in-in
vulgar ways.
1309
01:02:46,412 --> 01:02:48,346
- Thankfully, those images
have never been released.
1310
01:02:49,457 --> 01:02:52,050
Hank: They are gruesome and no family member
1311
01:02:52,085 --> 01:02:54,936
Or friends, certainly, of any of the victims,
1312
01:02:55,013 --> 01:02:57,439
For sure, would ever want
to see those images.
1313
01:02:57,516 --> 01:02:59,983
I wouldn't want to
re-traumatize people.
1314
01:03:01,094 --> 01:03:02,519
Michael: In mcarthur's case,
1315
01:03:02,595 --> 01:03:04,354
We see all types of elaborate poses
1316
01:03:04,430 --> 01:03:06,940
To offer indignities to the bodies in death.
1317
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:09,234
Shrouding them in fur.
1318
01:03:09,310 --> 01:03:11,361
A variety of-of poses that,
1319
01:03:11,437 --> 01:03:13,747
Obviously,
have some significance.
1320
01:04:12,424 --> 01:04:14,349
- The kinds of things
that mr. Mcarthur did
1321
01:04:14,426 --> 01:04:16,259
With posing, with pictures,
1322
01:04:16,336 --> 01:04:18,803
You can continue to humiliate
1323
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,523
And debase a person, even after they're dead,
1324
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,475
And you derive this sense of power over them,
1325
01:04:24,510 --> 01:04:27,687
And that's something that's very tantalizing
1326
01:04:27,698 --> 01:04:29,022
To the serial killer.
1327
01:04:29,032 --> 01:04:30,857
They don't feel that kind
of control, ever,
1328
01:04:30,868 --> 01:04:33,151
In their lives, and then,
all of a sudden, they have it,
1329
01:04:33,186 --> 01:04:36,371
And it's this dark magic,
almost.
1330
01:04:36,448 --> 01:04:39,824
♪♪♪
1331
01:04:39,901 --> 01:04:41,951
- Photographs are, inevitably,
1332
01:04:42,028 --> 01:04:44,713
A souvenir for any offender.
1333
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:48,666
There's a whole deep-seeded experiential dimension
1334
01:04:48,743 --> 01:04:51,386
To-to watching, and seeing, and recreating,
1335
01:04:51,463 --> 01:04:54,339
That allowed bruce mcarthur to live in this dark,
1336
01:04:54,374 --> 01:04:56,725
Twisted world, perpetually.
1337
01:04:58,544 --> 01:05:01,479
- It's as horrible
and horrific as it gets.
1338
01:05:02,590 --> 01:05:04,858
These men were individuals,
like you or I.
1339
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:08,353
They had families, they had friends,
1340
01:05:08,388 --> 01:05:10,238
They have loved ones.
1341
01:05:10,315 --> 01:05:13,408
And they were attacked
1342
01:05:14,653 --> 01:05:16,152
And played with,
1343
01:05:16,229 --> 01:05:18,154
Like they were a toy.
1344
01:05:18,231 --> 01:05:21,666
And I can't think of a
more degrading way to die.
1345
01:05:24,663 --> 01:05:27,205
- What he did
was very disturbing.
1346
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,166
There's moments during
the investigation
1347
01:05:30,243 --> 01:05:32,335
That will certainly stay
with me forever,
1348
01:05:32,412 --> 01:05:34,504
Will probably stay with
the city of toronto forever.
1349
01:05:34,580 --> 01:05:37,548
♪♪♪
1350
01:05:37,583 --> 01:05:39,884
- They knew that they had a
serial killer on their hands,
1351
01:05:39,961 --> 01:05:41,394
And he's loose.
1352
01:05:42,514 --> 01:05:44,389
- There obviously is a big
risk to the public,
1353
01:05:44,465 --> 01:05:46,650
Knowing what we know now.
He can't be left out there.
1354
01:05:48,445 --> 01:05:51,187
- At that time,
they had no idea
1355
01:05:51,264 --> 01:05:54,157
Whether bruce mcarthur
was working on his own.
1356
01:05:55,768 --> 01:05:59,237
With every minute that passes after an arrest,
1357
01:05:59,272 --> 01:06:01,906
That's time
when other associates
1358
01:06:01,941 --> 01:06:03,741
Could destroy evidence.
1359
01:06:03,776 --> 01:06:06,920
Items that are really
crucial to a conviction.
1360
01:06:09,615 --> 01:06:11,457
- There were search warrants
that needed to be executed
1361
01:06:11,468 --> 01:06:14,511
At multiple locations,
and on vehicles.
1362
01:06:16,381 --> 01:06:18,256
- Police need to be very
careful
1363
01:06:18,291 --> 01:06:20,883
About how they move through
this late stage
1364
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,552
Of an investigation.
1365
01:06:22,628 --> 01:06:25,930
They needed some time
to secure paperwork.
1366
01:06:26,007 --> 01:06:27,732
This was a major operation.
1367
01:06:29,802 --> 01:06:31,987
- We were preparing
for his arrest
1368
01:06:32,063 --> 01:06:33,697
And preparing search warrants,
1369
01:06:34,974 --> 01:06:37,066
And I had my investigators
1370
01:06:37,143 --> 01:06:39,452
Surveilling him, 24-7.
1371
01:06:42,648 --> 01:06:45,333
When I got a telephone call from my investigators,
1372
01:06:45,410 --> 01:06:47,618
Advising me that bruce mcarthur
1373
01:06:47,695 --> 01:06:50,505
Had just picked up a male off the street
1374
01:06:50,582 --> 01:06:52,549
And that they were heading back to his apartment.
1375
01:06:54,827 --> 01:06:57,345
- I'll never forget that phone
call from dave dickinson,
1376
01:06:57,422 --> 01:06:58,963
When he said,
1377
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,349
"he's going into his apartment
with another man."
1378
01:07:02,877 --> 01:07:04,594
Wendy: By now, they know that bruce mcarthur
1379
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:06,771
Has killed inside his apartment
1380
01:07:08,007 --> 01:07:09,640
Because they have the pictures
1381
01:07:09,717 --> 01:07:12,643
Of dead men on mcarthur's bed.
1382
01:07:12,678 --> 01:07:14,645
What was incredibly critical,
1383
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,482
That they not allow
bruce mcarthur to enter
1384
01:07:17,517 --> 01:07:19,993
His apartment with another person, alone.
1385
01:07:21,538 --> 01:07:23,321
Someone's life is on the line.
1386
01:07:23,356 --> 01:07:26,207
♪♪♪
1387
01:07:26,284 --> 01:07:28,284
- I asked hank idsinga,
1388
01:07:28,361 --> 01:07:30,045
"how many officers were
involved in this?"
1389
01:07:30,121 --> 01:07:31,880
And he just looked at me.
1390
01:07:31,956 --> 01:07:34,799
- Police were talking about
dozens of properties.
1391
01:07:36,035 --> 01:07:38,303
- There was a rib cage that
was visible in the x-ray.
1392
01:07:39,539 --> 01:07:41,672
- They wanted to question us
about the planters -
1393
01:07:41,707 --> 01:07:44,050
Were some of them ours,
were some of them his.
1394
01:07:44,061 --> 01:07:46,469
David: I will never stop looking.
1395
01:07:46,546 --> 01:07:48,137
Wendy: You have to wonder if that was part of it,
1396
01:07:48,214 --> 01:07:49,806
For mcarthur.
1397
01:07:49,882 --> 01:07:51,724
- I don't even know how
to form a reaction to that.
1398
01:07:51,735 --> 01:07:53,068
It's not human.
1399
01:07:53,144 --> 01:07:55,820
♪♪♪
1400
01:08:00,327 --> 01:08:04,537
♪♪♪
1401
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:08,866
♪♪♪
1402
01:08:08,901 --> 01:08:10,752
- Toronto police knew
that they had
1403
01:08:10,829 --> 01:08:12,870
A serial killer on their hands
1404
01:08:12,905 --> 01:08:15,507
And decided they would arrest bruce mcarthur.
1405
01:08:16,742 --> 01:08:20,753
Hank: Had two officers from "project prism", following him.
1406
01:08:20,764 --> 01:08:23,848
He picked up a man and headed
back to his apartment.
1407
01:08:25,844 --> 01:08:27,936
- Police are in a sudden
situation
1408
01:08:28,012 --> 01:08:30,105
Where they have to decide
what to do next.
1409
01:08:31,424 --> 01:08:33,650
Hank: He parked in an area where he normally doesn't park,
1410
01:08:34,686 --> 01:08:36,694
I believe to avoid
surveillance cameras.
1411
01:08:37,972 --> 01:08:40,940
And took that man up to his apartment.
1412
01:08:40,951 --> 01:08:42,308
(elevator dings)
1413
01:08:42,310 --> 01:08:45,236
Wendy: They knew that he had killed men in his apartment;
1414
01:08:45,313 --> 01:08:47,163
Someone's life is on the line.
1415
01:08:48,774 --> 01:08:50,950
- As an investigator,
I had to look at
1416
01:08:50,961 --> 01:08:54,203
What are the risks
to arrest him early.
1417
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,706
What evidence could be lost?
1418
01:08:56,782 --> 01:08:59,959
I made a decision that he was
gonna be arrested immediately.
1419
01:08:59,970 --> 01:09:01,886
(sirens wail)
1420
01:09:02,997 --> 01:09:05,089
Wendy: Mcarthur lived on the 19th floor
1421
01:09:05,124 --> 01:09:08,384
And when police were swooping
in to arrest mcarthur,
1422
01:09:08,461 --> 01:09:10,311
They had to wait
for the elevator.
1423
01:09:10,388 --> 01:09:12,054
- There was only one elevator working
1424
01:09:12,131 --> 01:09:14,932
In his apartment building. It was rammed full.
1425
01:09:15,009 --> 01:09:17,768
We packed in there like
sardines, and made our way,
1426
01:09:17,803 --> 01:09:19,604
Very slowly, to the 19th floor,
1427
01:09:19,639 --> 01:09:22,398
And stopping on every third floor.
1428
01:09:22,475 --> 01:09:24,942
- I just can't imagine what
that wait would've been like.
1429
01:09:24,977 --> 01:09:26,944
Ten seconds would've
felt like an hour.
1430
01:09:26,979 --> 01:09:29,780
- We were prepared to
forcefully enter the apartment,
1431
01:09:29,857 --> 01:09:32,116
If we had to, but we knocked.
1432
01:09:32,151 --> 01:09:33,784
(elevator dings)
1433
01:09:33,819 --> 01:09:37,955
♪♪♪
1434
01:09:38,032 --> 01:09:40,592
- But bruce just answered
the door.
1435
01:09:42,495 --> 01:09:44,971
- We forced our way in,
as he answered it.
1436
01:09:46,090 --> 01:09:47,891
- When police went into
the apartment unit...
1437
01:09:51,045 --> 01:09:54,805
...They found a man
who was bound and naked.
1438
01:09:54,882 --> 01:09:58,476
♪♪♪
1439
01:09:58,511 --> 01:10:00,486
Thankfully, he's still alive.
1440
01:10:01,681 --> 01:10:03,689
Mcarthur had taken this man
back to his apartment,
1441
01:10:03,700 --> 01:10:06,484
Put a black bag on his head,
1442
01:10:06,519 --> 01:10:08,486
And told this man
that they were
1443
01:10:08,521 --> 01:10:10,705
Going to try something
different.
1444
01:10:11,732 --> 01:10:13,875
- In retrospect, in the circumstances
1445
01:10:13,952 --> 01:10:15,826
That he was found
in mcarthur's bedroom,
1446
01:10:15,903 --> 01:10:18,621
Where he was bound to the bed,
1447
01:10:18,698 --> 01:10:21,290
I can't get too specific
about what mcarthur did
1448
01:10:21,367 --> 01:10:22,884
With him in that bed,
1449
01:10:22,961 --> 01:10:26,763
But I-I do believe he would've
been the ninth victim.
1450
01:10:30,727 --> 01:10:32,677
- Bruce mcarthur,
he was arrested for the murders
1451
01:10:32,753 --> 01:10:34,687
Of selim esen
and andrew kinsman.
1452
01:10:35,881 --> 01:10:38,233
Was very calm and cool. He didn't say much.
1453
01:10:39,552 --> 01:10:42,228
- This morning,
at approximately 10:25 a.M.,
1454
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:45,949
Police arrested 66-year-old
bruce mcarthur.
1455
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,244
- Mcarthur's arrest sets off
1456
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,696
This huge investigative effort.
1457
01:10:51,772 --> 01:10:54,407
Toronto police begin quite an extensive search
1458
01:10:54,417 --> 01:10:57,076
Inside bruce mcarthur's apartment.
1459
01:10:57,087 --> 01:11:00,538
Toronto police didn't find
any blood, or hair,
1460
01:11:00,573 --> 01:11:02,873
Or fingerprints of-of
any of the victims,
1461
01:11:02,908 --> 01:11:05,510
But what they did find,
was their belongings.
1462
01:11:07,580 --> 01:11:11,190
There was a bracelet that had belonged to skanda navaratnam.
1463
01:11:14,178 --> 01:11:15,103
There was a notebook,
1464
01:11:15,179 --> 01:11:17,789
That had been written in, by selim esen.
1465
01:11:20,777 --> 01:11:23,269
- We believe he is responsible
for the deaths of other men
1466
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,280
Who have yet to be identified.
1467
01:11:26,474 --> 01:11:28,199
- There were still no bodies.
1468
01:11:30,287 --> 01:11:31,569
- He was arrested,
1469
01:11:31,604 --> 01:11:33,571
But we still needed to continue
with the investigation.
1470
01:11:33,606 --> 01:11:35,573
There's still evidence out there.
1471
01:11:35,608 --> 01:11:37,408
The strongest evidence being
1472
01:11:37,485 --> 01:11:39,794
The remains of the missing men.
1473
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,584
I interviewed bruce mcarthur the next morning.
1474
01:11:46,619 --> 01:11:49,420
He was very cordial,
he was polite.
1475
01:11:49,497 --> 01:11:51,255
We chatted about a lot,
1476
01:11:51,290 --> 01:11:52,557
But he was not helpful.
1477
01:11:54,168 --> 01:11:56,427
We did not know where the remains
1478
01:11:56,504 --> 01:11:58,646
Of any of his victims were.
1479
01:11:58,723 --> 01:12:00,723
I wanted to find those remains,
1480
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,734
I wanted to collect additional evidence.
1481
01:12:03,969 --> 01:12:06,070
- He really didn't have much to say about it, at all.
1482
01:12:07,231 --> 01:12:09,106
He was willing to engage
in conversation,
1483
01:12:09,183 --> 01:12:11,901
But not directly acknowledge any of the-
1484
01:12:11,977 --> 01:12:13,986
The facts that we were
presenting to him,
1485
01:12:13,997 --> 01:12:15,955
Or anything about
any of the victims.
1486
01:12:18,168 --> 01:12:20,618
It was a fruitless
interview with him,
1487
01:12:20,653 --> 01:12:24,088
Despite it going on
for eight to ten hours.
1488
01:12:26,250 --> 01:12:27,583
- We had learned about bruce mcarthur's
1489
01:12:27,660 --> 01:12:29,344
Circle of friends and family
1490
01:12:29,420 --> 01:12:32,096
And didn't know who else may
have evidence to help us.
1491
01:12:34,017 --> 01:12:35,800
- There were a multitude of places
1492
01:12:35,835 --> 01:12:38,803
That bruce mcarthur
may have had access
1493
01:12:38,838 --> 01:12:42,148
And ability to bury
his victims' bodies.
1494
01:12:43,843 --> 01:12:47,645
As a landscaper, bruce mcarthur had really ready
1495
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,648
And easy access to dozens of yards
1496
01:12:50,683 --> 01:12:52,817
In the greater toronto area,
1497
01:12:52,893 --> 01:12:55,152
Because there is sort
of an implicit trust
1498
01:12:55,229 --> 01:12:57,747
When it comes to hiring
a landscaper.
1499
01:12:59,859 --> 01:13:02,535
- Being a landscaper, you can
fade into the background.
1500
01:13:02,545 --> 01:13:04,712
You can come and go
as you please,
1501
01:13:04,789 --> 01:13:07,340
You have intimate knowledge
about people's homes.
1502
01:13:08,367 --> 01:13:09,625
You're sort of a part of the scenery,
1503
01:13:09,702 --> 01:13:12,461
And so, nobody really thinks twice about you.
1504
01:13:12,538 --> 01:13:15,223
It's another part
of this disguise
1505
01:13:15,299 --> 01:13:18,142
That serial killers can use
to get away with it.
1506
01:13:20,230 --> 01:13:22,304
- We've never seen anything
quite like this
1507
01:13:22,381 --> 01:13:24,315
With the number of crime scenes
that we have to process.
1508
01:13:25,718 --> 01:13:27,402
- There was an address
that we knew
1509
01:13:27,478 --> 01:13:30,187
Bruce mcarthur stored his
landscaping equipment there.
1510
01:13:30,222 --> 01:13:32,523
He had full access to the
property and the house,
1511
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,159
And we knew he attended that property multiple times a day.
1512
01:13:37,563 --> 01:13:39,321
Karen: Normal day.
1513
01:13:39,398 --> 01:13:42,291
I got up with a list in my mind
of what I wanted to do.
1514
01:13:43,736 --> 01:13:45,327
There was this incredible
pounding.
1515
01:13:45,404 --> 01:13:48,205
I opened the door,
"are you karen fraser?"
1516
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,876
"yes." "you've got to get out of your house, now.
1517
01:13:51,911 --> 01:13:53,711
You have five minutes."
1518
01:13:53,746 --> 01:13:56,222
No information, no nothing.
1519
01:13:58,101 --> 01:14:00,217
We went downtown to be interviewed.
1520
01:14:00,252 --> 01:14:02,186
They took me in,
and I knew nothing.
1521
01:14:04,515 --> 01:14:07,692
And then I asked,
"can I know what's going on?"
1522
01:14:10,137 --> 01:14:11,937
When they say, "bruce murdered two people,"
1523
01:14:11,948 --> 01:14:14,282
Like, I-I couldn't picture it.
1524
01:14:15,976 --> 01:14:17,827
So, I defended him!
1525
01:14:18,979 --> 01:14:20,738
One of the detectives said,
1526
01:14:20,773 --> 01:14:23,708
"look, don't waste your time
on this guy.
1527
01:14:24,777 --> 01:14:26,869
I don't think
we've ever had as much
1528
01:14:26,946 --> 01:14:28,704
Evidence against a person,
1529
01:14:28,781 --> 01:14:30,915
As we've got against him.
1530
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:32,800
Don't waste your sympathy."
1531
01:14:33,953 --> 01:14:36,929
Alright, I'm gonna go along
with this.
1532
01:14:38,475 --> 01:14:40,591
Wendy: It wasn't like this was an individual
1533
01:14:40,668 --> 01:14:42,718
Who had no social life.
1534
01:14:42,795 --> 01:14:44,720
He had close friends
he would meet with
1535
01:14:44,797 --> 01:14:46,222
On a regular basis,
1536
01:14:46,298 --> 01:14:48,474
He had a relationship
with his family
1537
01:14:48,485 --> 01:14:50,476
And his grandchildren.
1538
01:14:50,487 --> 01:14:52,269
You can imagine their surprise
1539
01:14:52,304 --> 01:14:54,739
When bruce mcarthur was arrested.
1540
01:14:56,809 --> 01:14:58,776
- I was watching the news,
1541
01:14:58,811 --> 01:15:00,778
And I heard bruce mcarthur
1542
01:15:00,813 --> 01:15:02,905
Is being charged
as a serial killer.
1543
01:15:02,982 --> 01:15:04,907
The bruce I knew,
1544
01:15:04,984 --> 01:15:07,952
I have trouble reconciling that
1545
01:15:07,987 --> 01:15:11,789
That is the same bruce
that was chopping up people.
1546
01:15:11,824 --> 01:15:13,508
There's a disconnect.
1547
01:15:15,035 --> 01:15:16,677
Karen: "thinking back,
1548
01:15:16,754 --> 01:15:18,754
Were there any bad moments?"
1549
01:15:18,831 --> 01:15:21,015
No, there weren't!
1550
01:15:21,092 --> 01:15:23,768
None at all. He was flawless.
1551
01:15:25,337 --> 01:15:28,138
- If you ever sat down and
chatted with bruce mcarthur,
1552
01:15:28,173 --> 01:15:30,140
You wouldn't think
for a second
1553
01:15:30,175 --> 01:15:32,109
That this man
was a serial killer.
1554
01:15:33,345 --> 01:15:35,145
- The fact that he really had to hide who he was,
1555
01:15:35,222 --> 01:15:37,815
From his family
and from society,
1556
01:15:37,850 --> 01:15:39,984
Was something that
he could draw upon later
1557
01:15:40,060 --> 01:15:42,912
As he was getting away
with these killings.
1558
01:15:44,207 --> 01:15:46,657
- Bruce mcarthur deceived many
people throughout the years -
1559
01:15:46,692 --> 01:15:48,325
His family, his friends,
1560
01:15:48,402 --> 01:15:50,044
And I'd say, the police
along the way, too.
1561
01:15:53,291 --> 01:15:54,790
Karen: Police searched the house,
1562
01:15:54,867 --> 01:15:57,260
I mean, completely, and totally.
1563
01:15:58,203 --> 01:16:00,504
The garage had been emptied.
1564
01:16:00,581 --> 01:16:02,932
There were maybe a dozen cops,
1565
01:16:04,043 --> 01:16:06,844
And there were command posts,
and cruisers.
1566
01:16:06,879 --> 01:16:09,346
And there were media trucks
all the way around
1567
01:16:09,381 --> 01:16:11,357
The little park
across the street.
1568
01:16:13,352 --> 01:16:16,228
- We had our cadaver dogs
working with us.
1569
01:16:16,230 --> 01:16:18,564
They showed interest
in the backyard
1570
01:16:18,566 --> 01:16:20,449
Of mallory crescent.
1571
01:16:22,194 --> 01:16:25,029
Wendy: Dogs were focusing in on a few different areas,
1572
01:16:25,031 --> 01:16:27,081
And namely,
they were sniffing
1573
01:16:27,083 --> 01:16:29,250
Around these really
large planters
1574
01:16:29,252 --> 01:16:32,003
Mcarthur had brought
onto the property.
1575
01:16:33,405 --> 01:16:36,090
T know, okay,
is he hitting on the planter,
1576
01:16:36,167 --> 01:16:39,335
Is he hitting on contaminated
soil in the planter,
1577
01:16:39,411 --> 01:16:42,004
Is-is there something buried
underneath the planter?
1578
01:16:42,081 --> 01:16:43,589
(dog sniffing)
1579
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,341
Newsreel: On January 21,
1580
01:16:45,417 --> 01:16:47,259
City news captured police removing this large,
1581
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:49,103
Heavy planter from the property
1582
01:16:49,180 --> 01:16:51,889
Of ron smith and karen fraser.
1583
01:16:51,924 --> 01:16:54,191
- The forensics services unit x-ray it.
1584
01:16:55,278 --> 01:16:57,603
You can actually see
the rib cage
1585
01:16:57,614 --> 01:16:59,405
That was visible
when they x-ray.
1586
01:17:00,599 --> 01:17:03,609
- They started to find, um,
1587
01:17:03,620 --> 01:17:05,328
Dismembered human remains.
1588
01:17:06,605 --> 01:17:09,031
- Bruce mcarthur had landscaped
hundreds of properties.
1589
01:17:09,108 --> 01:17:12,209
Were we gonna find remains
all over toronto?
1590
01:17:13,487 --> 01:17:15,746
- When we heard that they found
dismembered body parts
1591
01:17:15,781 --> 01:17:18,082
In planters at a home,
1592
01:17:18,117 --> 01:17:19,583
It's like a script
for a horror story.
1593
01:17:19,618 --> 01:17:20,793
It's unbelievable.
1594
01:17:20,803 --> 01:17:24,180
♪♪♪
1595
01:17:27,626 --> 01:17:30,269
♪♪♪
1596
01:17:34,392 --> 01:17:36,308
- What have you learned
about what police know
1597
01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:37,818
About the suspected killer?
1598
01:17:37,895 --> 01:17:39,812
- Well, christie,
we know that he was
1599
01:17:39,822 --> 01:17:41,730
A 66-year-old landscaper in toronto.
1600
01:17:41,807 --> 01:17:43,824
He had access to the property where these planters,
1601
01:17:43,901 --> 01:17:45,776
And human remains, were found.
1602
01:17:45,811 --> 01:17:49,279
♪♪♪
1603
01:17:49,314 --> 01:17:52,500
Karen: The police asked us to come for a meeting.
1604
01:17:52,576 --> 01:17:56,120
They wanted to question us
about the planters -
1605
01:17:56,196 --> 01:17:58,589
Were some of them ours,
were some of them his.
1606
01:18:00,868 --> 01:18:02,459
There were a lot.
1607
01:18:02,494 --> 01:18:05,671
It turned out,
there were 15 on the property.
1608
01:18:05,682 --> 01:18:08,432
And then, they said,
"we found several bodies."
1609
01:18:09,852 --> 01:18:12,186
Newsreel: Three human torsos of unidentified bodies,
1610
01:18:12,263 --> 01:18:13,854
And assorted bones,
1611
01:18:13,931 --> 01:18:15,856
Have been found in large planters.
1612
01:18:15,933 --> 01:18:18,809
- The idea that I was watering
planters
1613
01:18:18,844 --> 01:18:20,936
With bodies in them,
1614
01:18:21,013 --> 01:18:22,938
It-I don't know where
to put that.
1615
01:18:23,015 --> 01:18:24,740
(dog sniffing)
1616
01:18:26,277 --> 01:18:28,610
- The pathologist was able
to establish cause of death
1617
01:18:28,687 --> 01:18:31,655
On some of the remains,
1618
01:18:31,690 --> 01:18:34,625
And that cause of death
was manual strangulation.
1619
01:18:35,861 --> 01:18:37,712
(tarp rustles)
1620
01:18:37,788 --> 01:18:39,329
- There's certainly something
1621
01:18:39,364 --> 01:18:41,373
Incredibly disturbing and unsettling
1622
01:18:41,384 --> 01:18:44,710
About knowing that dismembered
human remains were just,
1623
01:18:44,721 --> 01:18:46,712
You know, in a planter
1624
01:18:46,723 --> 01:18:49,098
On someone's property in downtown toronto.
1625
01:18:51,635 --> 01:18:53,519
Karen: He ate there every day with his crew
1626
01:18:55,255 --> 01:18:58,149
And arranged the planters around the table.
1627
01:18:59,551 --> 01:19:01,518
Because you know, he was not
trying to bury them
1628
01:19:01,595 --> 01:19:03,237
To get rid of them.
1629
01:19:05,241 --> 01:19:08,400
He was trying to keep them.
1630
01:19:08,411 --> 01:19:11,195
Putting them in a place where he could hang on to them.
1631
01:19:11,230 --> 01:19:13,664
So, he ate at my table,
1632
01:19:14,233 --> 01:19:16,333
Enjoying the fact that...
1633
01:19:18,996 --> 01:19:21,330
His handiwork
was all around him.
1634
01:19:21,406 --> 01:19:24,500
♪♪♪
1635
01:19:24,576 --> 01:19:26,510
I don't even know how to form
a reaction to that.
1636
01:19:30,674 --> 01:19:32,349
It's not human, to me.
1637
01:19:33,511 --> 01:19:34,602
Newsreel: As police unearth those planters,
1638
01:19:34,678 --> 01:19:37,221
And connect the dna from remains, to missing people,
1639
01:19:37,297 --> 01:19:39,556
More charges are expected to be laid.
1640
01:19:39,633 --> 01:19:42,267
- We have now identified
the remains
1641
01:19:42,278 --> 01:19:45,270
Of three individuals
from these planters -
1642
01:19:45,281 --> 01:19:47,948
Andrew kinsman, soroush mahmudi,
1643
01:19:48,025 --> 01:19:49,784
And skanda navaratnam.
1644
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:53,111
- For the months after
his arrest,
1645
01:19:53,122 --> 01:19:55,364
Hundreds of properties
were searched,
1646
01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:57,199
With the concern that there may be
1647
01:19:57,276 --> 01:19:58,834
Additional victims out there.
1648
01:20:00,279 --> 01:20:02,246
- We started knocking on doors
1649
01:20:02,322 --> 01:20:04,915
And learning where bruce
mcarthur's clients lived,
1650
01:20:04,992 --> 01:20:06,750
To go and speak with them,
1651
01:20:06,785 --> 01:20:08,919
While police were doing their investigation,
1652
01:20:08,954 --> 01:20:12,297
Which included going to each of their homes across the city,
1653
01:20:12,308 --> 01:20:15,592
And removing planter,
after planter, after planter,
1654
01:20:15,627 --> 01:20:18,262
Unsure of what they were gonna find.
1655
01:20:18,338 --> 01:20:20,564
(ominous music)
1656
01:20:21,725 --> 01:20:24,268
- People who had used mcarthur as their landscaper,
1657
01:20:24,344 --> 01:20:27,396
Could rightly wonder whether they might find
1658
01:20:27,472 --> 01:20:29,773
Human remains in their planters,
1659
01:20:29,808 --> 01:20:31,817
And every development
coming out of the story
1660
01:20:31,828 --> 01:20:33,610
Was worst than the last.
1661
01:20:33,645 --> 01:20:35,329
- They want anybody whose
had their lawn serviced
1662
01:20:35,406 --> 01:20:37,665
By their suspect, to call in,
1663
01:20:37,741 --> 01:20:40,617
Fearing that they could have
a potential crime scene
1664
01:20:40,694 --> 01:20:42,086
In their back yard.
1665
01:20:45,490 --> 01:20:49,176
- It took weeks to identify
all the remains.
1666
01:20:50,495 --> 01:20:53,013
Wendy: The remains of seven of the victims
1667
01:20:53,090 --> 01:20:55,299
Were found within the planters.
1668
01:20:55,375 --> 01:20:56,675
(shovel scrapes dirt)
1669
01:20:56,686 --> 01:20:57,968
David: But we had not identified
1670
01:20:58,045 --> 01:21:00,855
The remains of majeed kayhan.
1671
01:21:02,341 --> 01:21:04,099
Adrian: If you look
at the geography of the home
1672
01:21:04,176 --> 01:21:05,642
On mallory crescent,
1673
01:21:05,677 --> 01:21:08,362
It backs up to a large
ravine area.
1674
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,480
Off the backyard,
it's just nature.
1675
01:21:10,557 --> 01:21:12,908
There could be more body parts
back there.
1676
01:21:14,353 --> 01:21:16,862
- Being January, the ground was frozen.
1677
01:21:16,873 --> 01:21:18,622
It was not an option to search.
1678
01:21:19,876 --> 01:21:21,375
- Once the ground had thawed,
1679
01:21:22,903 --> 01:21:24,494
Police go back there,
1680
01:21:24,529 --> 01:21:26,371
And they start excavating
the ravine
1681
01:21:26,382 --> 01:21:28,048
Behind the home on mallory.
1682
01:21:28,125 --> 01:21:31,793
♪♪♪
1683
01:21:31,870 --> 01:21:34,880
- They did a really big
excavation in the summertime,
1684
01:21:34,891 --> 01:21:37,224
When they were able to
penetrate the ground.
1685
01:21:38,877 --> 01:21:40,728
Newsreel: In the wooded ravine just below the property
1686
01:21:40,804 --> 01:21:42,512
Where alleged serial killer, bruce mcarthur,
1687
01:21:42,547 --> 01:21:44,565
Used to store his landscaping tools,
1688
01:21:44,642 --> 01:21:46,975
This slow and meticulous work being done
1689
01:21:47,052 --> 01:21:49,486
By dozens of officers sifting through dirt and debris.
1690
01:21:51,056 --> 01:21:52,731
Karen: When they came back,
1691
01:21:52,742 --> 01:21:54,024
(dog whimpers)
1692
01:21:54,059 --> 01:21:57,578
Within an hour, they found a body in a garbage pail.
1693
01:21:59,081 --> 01:22:01,165
- There were more remains
found today.
1694
01:22:02,901 --> 01:22:05,827
Newsreel: Police hopeful they match those of majeed kayhan,
1695
01:22:05,904 --> 01:22:08,339
The only alleged victim whose remains have yet to be found.
1696
01:22:09,741 --> 01:22:11,833
- Toronto police were able
to find the remains
1697
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:13,552
Of the eighth victim.
1698
01:22:15,414 --> 01:22:16,931
Karen: When they found him,
1699
01:22:17,007 --> 01:22:18,724
He was about five feet,
1700
01:22:20,010 --> 01:22:21,936
Buried five feet away
from where I saw him.
1701
01:22:23,088 --> 01:22:25,013
(shovel thuds)
1702
01:22:25,090 --> 01:22:26,732
Right by the edge of the hill.
1703
01:22:27,944 --> 01:22:30,277
Just frozen in my mind,
that man standing there.
1704
01:22:31,855 --> 01:22:33,897
♪♪♪
1705
01:22:33,932 --> 01:22:35,273
People say to me,
1706
01:22:35,284 --> 01:22:37,117
"aren't you appalled that
there were body parts?"
1707
01:22:37,194 --> 01:22:39,695
Well, the body parts
aren't the men.
1708
01:22:39,771 --> 01:22:41,363
What upset me was,
1709
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:44,199
The last moments of those guys,
1710
01:22:44,276 --> 01:22:46,201
When they were people,
1711
01:22:46,278 --> 01:22:48,295
And they were loved.
1712
01:22:48,372 --> 01:22:50,205
They were loved.
1713
01:22:50,282 --> 01:22:52,007
They had families, friends,
1714
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:54,885
And he obliterated them.
1715
01:22:56,472 --> 01:22:58,222
For his own whatever.
1716
01:22:59,308 --> 01:23:01,216
That was upsetting.
1717
01:23:01,293 --> 01:23:03,143
(sombre music)
1718
01:23:03,220 --> 01:23:09,474
♪♪♪
1719
01:23:09,485 --> 01:23:12,102
Newsreel: We begin this noon hour with developing news.
1720
01:23:12,179 --> 01:23:14,312
Bruce mcarthur
has plead guilty
1721
01:23:14,323 --> 01:23:16,606
To eight counts
of first-degree murder.
1722
01:23:16,641 --> 01:23:18,158
♪♪♪
1723
01:23:18,235 --> 01:23:21,328
- That was the day
everyone realized
1724
01:23:21,405 --> 01:23:23,580
There wouldn't be a trial.
It was very emotional.
1725
01:23:24,816 --> 01:23:25,741
- Mixed feelings.
1726
01:23:25,817 --> 01:23:28,118
I'm hoping it's closure
for a lot of people.
1727
01:23:28,153 --> 01:23:31,588
I'm hoping it's-it's starting
that process towards closure.
1728
01:23:33,492 --> 01:23:36,126
- He pleaded guilty,
and that avoided a trial.
1729
01:23:36,161 --> 01:23:38,178
♪♪♪
1730
01:23:38,255 --> 01:23:40,505
Newsreel: When mcarthur was given the opportunity to speak,
1731
01:23:40,516 --> 01:23:42,966
He said, "no," saying he had spoken with his counsel
1732
01:23:43,043 --> 01:23:45,594
And decided to say nothing.
1733
01:23:45,670 --> 01:23:48,472
The crown says the plea pales in comparison to the pain
1734
01:23:48,548 --> 01:23:50,899
He inflicted on his eight innocent victims.
1735
01:23:53,178 --> 01:23:57,439
♪♪♪
1736
01:23:57,516 --> 01:24:00,108
Karen: I knew a man who was always energetic,
1737
01:24:00,185 --> 01:24:03,820
Enthusiastic, always eager
to get on to the next thing,
1738
01:24:03,897 --> 01:24:05,664
And this is just uh,
1739
01:24:07,209 --> 01:24:09,826
A shuffling, broken man,
as he should be.
1740
01:24:09,903 --> 01:24:11,378
As he should be.
1741
01:24:12,956 --> 01:24:14,923
- Mcarthur would kind
of shuffle past me.
1742
01:24:16,034 --> 01:24:18,969
I always in the front two rows
of the courtroom.
1743
01:24:20,539 --> 01:24:22,222
James: I saw him in court a few times.
1744
01:24:22,299 --> 01:24:25,467
He just looked dishevelled
and dilapidated.
1745
01:24:25,544 --> 01:24:27,478
You know, he just looked
like a broken man, to me.
1746
01:24:29,807 --> 01:24:32,066
- He looked harmless,
but now we know,
1747
01:24:32,142 --> 01:24:33,517
That that doesn't mean anything.
1748
01:24:33,593 --> 01:24:36,320
Nobody looks like a serial killer, necessarily.
1749
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:40,065
Newsreel: First degree murder carries
1750
01:24:40,076 --> 01:24:41,316
An automatic life sentence
1751
01:24:41,393 --> 01:24:43,693
With no chance of parole
for 25 years.
1752
01:24:43,770 --> 01:24:45,862
He will not be eligible
for parole
1753
01:24:45,939 --> 01:24:47,790
Until he is at least
91-years-old.
1754
01:24:48,918 --> 01:24:51,576
- In canada, we do not have the death penalty.
1755
01:24:51,587 --> 01:24:53,662
He was sentenced to life
in prison,
1756
01:24:53,738 --> 01:24:56,256
Without access to parole
for 25 years,
1757
01:24:56,333 --> 01:24:58,500
And that is the harshest
sentence
1758
01:24:58,577 --> 01:25:00,836
That you can get in canada.
1759
01:25:00,912 --> 01:25:03,097
♪♪♪
1760
01:25:03,173 --> 01:25:05,215
- There are a lot of unanswered questions
1761
01:25:05,250 --> 01:25:07,935
That I'd like to know, in order
to share with family members,
1762
01:25:08,011 --> 01:25:11,513
So we understand, as a
community, how he, you know,
1763
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:13,682
Preyed and selected his
victims, undetected,
1764
01:25:13,758 --> 01:25:15,600
For as long as he did.
1765
01:25:15,611 --> 01:25:17,894
I have no evidence to believe
1766
01:25:17,929 --> 01:25:20,438
That he is responsible
for any more than the eight,
1767
01:25:20,449 --> 01:25:23,117
But it's not saying that
I will never stop looking.
1768
01:25:24,286 --> 01:25:27,696
- A man who is responsible
for the murders of eight men
1769
01:25:27,772 --> 01:25:29,865
Is exactly where he belongs,
1770
01:25:29,941 --> 01:25:32,709
And I don't believe he will ever get out.
1771
01:25:33,945 --> 01:25:36,588
And to me,
that's some closure.
1772
01:25:38,116 --> 01:25:39,174
(metal bars click shut)
1773
01:25:40,827 --> 01:25:43,587
- When we talk about a serial
killer like bruce mcarthur,
1774
01:25:43,663 --> 01:25:46,298
Certainly the nature
of his crimes indicate
1775
01:25:46,308 --> 01:25:49,977
That he enjoyed having control
and power over other people,
1776
01:25:50,053 --> 01:25:51,895
And that seems to fit with his profile.
1777
01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:55,315
Bruce mcarthur lived, for a long time,
1778
01:25:55,392 --> 01:25:57,767
With repressed shame, rage,
1779
01:25:57,802 --> 01:26:00,979
And resentment towards his father, towards society,
1780
01:26:00,990 --> 01:26:03,740
Toward himself,
toward the gay community.
1781
01:26:05,810 --> 01:26:08,996
We sometimes think about sexual serial killers
1782
01:26:09,072 --> 01:26:11,582
Motivated by sex itself,
1783
01:26:12,692 --> 01:26:14,877
But the sex often represents power.
1784
01:26:16,029 --> 01:26:17,662
They feel like god,
1785
01:26:17,673 --> 01:26:19,831
Like they have total control over another human being,
1786
01:26:19,842 --> 01:26:22,626
And that power is so seductive,
1787
01:26:22,661 --> 01:26:24,344
It's so tantalizing.
1788
01:26:24,421 --> 01:26:28,131
♪♪♪
1789
01:26:28,208 --> 01:26:29,683
Haran: You hear the stories,
1790
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,352
And you hear how lively
and colourful
1791
01:26:32,429 --> 01:26:34,804
These individuals were,
and um,
1792
01:26:34,881 --> 01:26:37,015
And I saw myself in that, too.
1793
01:26:37,026 --> 01:26:39,526
If I didn't have the graces of my mother and my sister
1794
01:26:39,603 --> 01:26:41,612
Accepting me for who I am...
1795
01:26:44,182 --> 01:26:46,983
(emotional) I think I could've
been one of them.
1796
01:26:47,018 --> 01:26:48,685
Sorry.
1797
01:26:51,731 --> 01:26:53,990
- There's just an incredible sense of victimization,
1798
01:26:54,067 --> 01:26:55,867
From the fact that bruce mcarthur
1799
01:26:55,878 --> 01:26:57,377
Was known in the village.
1800
01:26:57,454 --> 01:26:59,329
People knew him.
1801
01:26:59,406 --> 01:27:01,665
It was horrifying to discover
1802
01:27:01,700 --> 01:27:03,833
That someone who had been part of the community
1803
01:27:03,868 --> 01:27:06,878
Was the one causing one of the worst things
1804
01:27:06,889 --> 01:27:08,847
That has happened
to toronto's gay village.
1805
01:27:10,801 --> 01:27:13,218
Do you expect an older man,
1806
01:27:13,229 --> 01:27:14,844
Who is literally a grandfather,
1807
01:27:14,879 --> 01:27:16,846
Who worked as a santa claus,
1808
01:27:16,881 --> 01:27:20,016
To be killing and dismembering men?
1809
01:27:20,093 --> 01:27:21,693
You don't.
1810
01:27:22,905 --> 01:27:24,813
But I think that's what
was exposed through this case
1811
01:27:24,889 --> 01:27:27,065
Is that you just never really know.
1812
01:27:27,076 --> 01:27:29,243
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