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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,705 --> 00:00:15,505 Christi: Toronto police discovered the remains 2 00:00:15,516 --> 00:00:18,759 Of six men linked to a suspected serial killer. 3 00:00:18,835 --> 00:00:21,136 Woman: Their lifeless bodies dismembered. 4 00:00:21,171 --> 00:00:22,637 Man: There could be more victims out there. 5 00:00:22,672 --> 00:00:24,356 - The city of toronto has never seen anything like this. 6 00:00:24,433 --> 00:00:25,974 (camera shutters click) 7 00:00:26,009 --> 00:00:28,360 - There is a concept of what a serial killer looks like. 8 00:00:28,437 --> 00:00:30,520 Do you expect a grandfather, 9 00:00:30,531 --> 00:00:32,355 Who worked as a santa clause, 10 00:00:32,366 --> 00:00:34,858 To be killing and dismembering men? 11 00:00:34,869 --> 00:00:36,109 You don't. 12 00:00:36,186 --> 00:00:37,861 ♪♪♪ 13 00:00:37,872 --> 00:00:41,582 - The idea that I was watering planters with bodies in them... 14 00:00:43,026 --> 00:00:44,168 I don't know where to put that. 15 00:00:45,621 --> 00:00:47,329 Wendy: There were men going missing from the gay village. 16 00:00:47,405 --> 00:00:50,716 - I'm looking at these pictures that look like me. 17 00:00:51,886 --> 00:00:53,168 (siren wails) 18 00:00:53,203 --> 00:00:54,836 Wendy: Police get this call; 19 00:00:54,913 --> 00:00:57,723 There's a cannibal within the greater toronto area. 20 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,559 - We had 300 people at a packed meeting. 21 00:01:00,636 --> 00:01:02,177 I wonder if the serial killer is in the room. 22 00:01:02,212 --> 00:01:03,720 ♪♪♪ 23 00:01:03,731 --> 00:01:05,806 - The reality is that the police had no idea 24 00:01:05,882 --> 00:01:07,733 What the hell they were dealing with. 25 00:01:07,810 --> 00:01:09,976 ♪♪♪ 26 00:01:10,053 --> 00:01:11,561 - They run into the bedroom 27 00:01:11,572 --> 00:01:13,522 And they find a shocking discovery. 28 00:01:13,598 --> 00:01:15,524 - Someone's life is on the line. 29 00:01:15,559 --> 00:01:17,984 - This morning, police arrested 30 00:01:18,061 --> 00:01:20,496 66-year-old bruce mcarthur. 31 00:01:22,941 --> 00:01:24,199 - I opened the door; 32 00:01:24,234 --> 00:01:26,159 "you've got to get out of your house, now." 33 00:01:26,236 --> 00:01:27,994 ♪♪♪ 34 00:01:28,071 --> 00:01:30,964 - Were we gonna find remains all over toronto? 35 00:01:32,784 --> 00:01:34,709 - I don't think anybody on this planet 36 00:01:34,744 --> 00:01:36,920 Has seen something quite like that before. 37 00:01:36,931 --> 00:01:39,548 ♪♪♪ 38 00:01:39,583 --> 00:01:41,675 - I think I could've been one of them. 39 00:01:41,751 --> 00:01:44,761 (indistinct police radio chatter) 40 00:01:44,772 --> 00:01:46,888 ♪♪♪ 41 00:01:46,965 --> 00:01:54,863 ♪♪♪ 42 00:02:00,270 --> 00:02:03,956 ♪♪♪ 43 00:02:04,032 --> 00:02:06,616 - As the crime reporter for the toronto star, 44 00:02:06,627 --> 00:02:09,002 I've covered this case extensively. 45 00:02:10,322 --> 00:02:13,039 Toronto often gets compared to new york city. 46 00:02:13,116 --> 00:02:14,624 It's a city of neighbourhoods. 47 00:02:14,635 --> 00:02:16,468 We have little Italy, 48 00:02:16,545 --> 00:02:19,254 Korea town, and we also have the village, 49 00:02:19,289 --> 00:02:22,349 Which is an lgbtq-centred community. 50 00:02:24,219 --> 00:02:26,761 James: The village in toronto has been around a long time. 51 00:02:26,838 --> 00:02:28,930 I've been playing in it, living in it, working in it 52 00:02:29,007 --> 00:02:30,765 For over 50 years. 53 00:02:30,842 --> 00:02:32,776 It's something that's very deep to my core. 54 00:02:34,638 --> 00:02:36,605 - Two million people have poured into toronto 55 00:02:36,681 --> 00:02:38,273 And down church street 56 00:02:38,308 --> 00:02:39,774 For the annual pride event. 57 00:02:39,851 --> 00:02:42,161 For decades, it has been the heart, 58 00:02:42,237 --> 00:02:44,454 The pulse of toronto's gay community. 59 00:02:45,815 --> 00:02:48,917 Church street is meant to be a safe space. 60 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:51,786 But those days, 61 00:02:51,821 --> 00:02:54,456 And the details that came out, 62 00:02:54,491 --> 00:02:56,791 Were horrific. 63 00:02:56,868 --> 00:02:59,961 ♪♪♪ 64 00:02:59,996 --> 00:03:02,923 - I used to live about a block or two from the village. 65 00:03:02,999 --> 00:03:05,133 In the midst of all of these festivities, 66 00:03:05,210 --> 00:03:07,135 There were rumblings and rumours 67 00:03:07,212 --> 00:03:09,012 About missing people. 68 00:03:09,023 --> 00:03:11,023 Adrian: Myself, my colleagues, 69 00:03:11,099 --> 00:03:12,849 We had done reports for years 70 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:14,809 About missing men in the village, 71 00:03:14,886 --> 00:03:16,862 And about concerns from the community. 72 00:03:16,939 --> 00:03:20,023 - For years, men had been disappearing from the village, 73 00:03:20,034 --> 00:03:21,483 Without a trace. 74 00:03:21,518 --> 00:03:24,027 Their faces were on missing persons posters 75 00:03:24,038 --> 00:03:25,820 All across church street. 76 00:03:25,855 --> 00:03:27,948 - People were wondering, what is going on? 77 00:03:28,024 --> 00:03:30,951 Why are there multiple men reported missing? 78 00:03:31,027 --> 00:03:33,337 You know, something afoul is happening. 79 00:03:34,364 --> 00:03:35,997 Haran: There wasn't a lot of information, 80 00:03:36,074 --> 00:03:37,666 Just these men are missing, and that's it. 81 00:03:37,742 --> 00:03:39,793 As the community was talking about it, 82 00:03:39,869 --> 00:03:41,628 And I'm looking at these pictures 83 00:03:41,705 --> 00:03:43,722 Of men that look like me, 84 00:03:43,799 --> 00:03:45,715 That look similar to each other, 85 00:03:45,726 --> 00:03:48,060 I started believing in 2013, 2014, 86 00:03:48,136 --> 00:03:50,136 That there is something wrong. 87 00:03:50,213 --> 00:03:52,180 - There was a small minority 88 00:03:52,215 --> 00:03:53,323 Who worried about a serial killer, 89 00:03:53,325 --> 00:03:55,308 But there wasn't much pressure put on the police. 90 00:03:55,385 --> 00:03:57,143 - Residents of this neighbourhood, 91 00:03:57,220 --> 00:03:58,895 And the people who frequent it, 92 00:03:58,906 --> 00:04:01,573 Say they feared a serial killer was in their midst. 93 00:04:01,650 --> 00:04:04,150 - There were men going missing from the gay village 94 00:04:04,227 --> 00:04:05,911 As early as 2010. 95 00:04:05,988 --> 00:04:07,537 (car horn honks) 96 00:04:08,606 --> 00:04:11,032 The first was skanda navaratnam 97 00:04:11,067 --> 00:04:13,043 On September 6, 2010. 98 00:04:14,255 --> 00:04:17,038 Newsreel: Navaratnam was last seen living zippers, 99 00:04:17,073 --> 00:04:18,581 A nightclub on carlton. 100 00:04:18,592 --> 00:04:21,260 He was with an unknown man, and never returned. 101 00:04:21,336 --> 00:04:23,586 - He was a very jovial person. 102 00:04:23,597 --> 00:04:25,764 He was articulate, and he was intelligent. 103 00:04:25,841 --> 00:04:28,758 He got a degree at the university of toronto 104 00:04:28,769 --> 00:04:30,602 And was working as a teaching assistant. 105 00:04:31,772 --> 00:04:33,680 - He had a lot of friends in the village. 106 00:04:33,757 --> 00:04:36,057 He was from sri lanka. 107 00:04:36,134 --> 00:04:37,559 When he came to toronto, 108 00:04:37,635 --> 00:04:40,562 He was able to more fully be himself. 109 00:04:40,638 --> 00:04:42,897 - He had his own struggles with coming out, 110 00:04:42,932 --> 00:04:45,525 But he was out to his brothers, not to his mother. 111 00:04:45,602 --> 00:04:47,736 Wendy: He didn't have any family in canada, 112 00:04:47,812 --> 00:04:50,664 So he was reported missing to the police by friends. 113 00:04:53,294 --> 00:04:55,410 Part of the gay village 114 00:04:55,445 --> 00:04:57,120 Is that people kinda come and go, 115 00:04:57,131 --> 00:04:59,539 So it didn't necessarily set off a lot of alarm bells. 116 00:04:59,616 --> 00:05:03,418 ♪♪♪ 117 00:05:03,453 --> 00:05:04,753 But then, four months later, 118 00:05:04,788 --> 00:05:06,680 On December 29, 2010, 119 00:05:07,883 --> 00:05:10,559 Abdulbasir faizi went missing. 120 00:05:11,795 --> 00:05:14,429 He had been working at a mississauga printing factory, 121 00:05:14,464 --> 00:05:16,565 And he had told his wife 122 00:05:17,634 --> 00:05:19,234 That he was going to go meet a friend. 123 00:05:20,470 --> 00:05:22,562 Haran: Abdulbasir faizi was married, 124 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:24,156 They lived in the suburbs. 125 00:05:24,232 --> 00:05:26,941 Wendy: His wife didn't know that he was gay, 126 00:05:26,976 --> 00:05:29,995 And he went to toronto's gay village. 127 00:05:31,314 --> 00:05:33,406 Newsreel: Abdulbasir faizi went missing. 128 00:05:33,483 --> 00:05:35,950 Police have only found his vehicle. 129 00:05:35,985 --> 00:05:38,620 - He was last seen at steamworks, 130 00:05:38,655 --> 00:05:40,288 Which is a bathhouse, 131 00:05:40,365 --> 00:05:42,257 Where um, men can hook up. 132 00:05:43,701 --> 00:05:44,793 18 months later, 133 00:05:44,869 --> 00:05:46,928 Majeed kayhan went missing. 134 00:05:48,498 --> 00:05:50,340 He hadn't been seen in a few days. 135 00:05:50,351 --> 00:05:52,967 His son, actually, was the one to report him missing. 136 00:05:53,044 --> 00:05:54,803 He was last seen 137 00:05:54,879 --> 00:05:57,680 Inside his alexander street apartment. 138 00:05:57,691 --> 00:05:59,191 Newsreel: People who live in this area say 139 00:05:59,267 --> 00:06:01,810 Kayhan lived a double life - one as a gay man, 140 00:06:01,845 --> 00:06:03,978 And one with his family. 141 00:06:04,055 --> 00:06:06,356 - Certainly, back in 2010, someone disappeared, 142 00:06:06,367 --> 00:06:08,983 Which is not a big deal. 143 00:06:09,018 --> 00:06:11,694 By three people disappeared, 144 00:06:11,705 --> 00:06:14,373 Then it became a big question. 145 00:06:14,449 --> 00:06:16,375 Wendy: All of this was happening 146 00:06:16,451 --> 00:06:18,660 Within a few blocks' radius. 147 00:06:18,736 --> 00:06:20,495 These men go missing within a relatively 148 00:06:20,530 --> 00:06:22,372 Short period of time. 149 00:06:22,383 --> 00:06:24,508 That's really scary. 150 00:06:26,387 --> 00:06:28,169 - In the span of a few months, 151 00:06:28,204 --> 00:06:30,222 A couple different men reported missing 152 00:06:30,298 --> 00:06:31,673 From the same neighbourhood. 153 00:06:31,749 --> 00:06:34,008 This is usually a red flag, 154 00:06:34,085 --> 00:06:36,103 For people who study serial killings. 155 00:06:37,139 --> 00:06:39,398 My mind always goes to the worst things 156 00:06:39,474 --> 00:06:41,608 Because I study this stuff. 157 00:06:42,886 --> 00:06:45,019 Often times, it's really just coincidence, 158 00:06:45,054 --> 00:06:47,689 But this one felt a little different 159 00:06:47,765 --> 00:06:50,158 Because this is such a tight-knit community. 160 00:06:51,319 --> 00:06:53,153 It tends to be the case 161 00:06:53,229 --> 00:06:55,697 That people who are responsible for serial killings 162 00:06:55,732 --> 00:06:58,032 Are hunting for their victims 163 00:06:58,109 --> 00:07:00,160 In places that they're familiar with. 164 00:07:00,236 --> 00:07:01,536 (ominous music) 165 00:07:01,571 --> 00:07:04,038 My first thought was that this is somebody 166 00:07:04,073 --> 00:07:06,591 Who knows his way around this place. 167 00:07:08,336 --> 00:07:10,929 - Three people just disappear without a trace, 168 00:07:11,006 --> 00:07:13,432 But they were all recent immigrants to canada 169 00:07:13,508 --> 00:07:15,258 From foreign countries. 170 00:07:15,269 --> 00:07:17,811 They all had a gay village connection, in toronto. 171 00:07:20,757 --> 00:07:22,348 Haran: In 2010, 172 00:07:22,425 --> 00:07:24,058 I would see posters of skanda, 173 00:07:24,135 --> 00:07:26,728 And then a few years later, in 2012, 174 00:07:26,804 --> 00:07:29,355 I started seeing pictures of majeed kayhan 175 00:07:29,432 --> 00:07:31,357 And abdulbasir faizi. 176 00:07:31,434 --> 00:07:32,942 Three brown men were missing. 177 00:07:32,953 --> 00:07:35,361 You would see the posters in convenience stores 178 00:07:35,438 --> 00:07:37,071 All over church street. 179 00:07:37,148 --> 00:07:38,907 You would hear comments on the streets, like, 180 00:07:38,983 --> 00:07:41,126 "oh, they've probably gone back to their wives 181 00:07:41,203 --> 00:07:43,670 To live out their heterosexual lives." 182 00:07:44,798 --> 00:07:46,706 I was hoping and praying that they would be found. 183 00:07:46,783 --> 00:07:48,800 (camera shutter clicks) 184 00:07:48,877 --> 00:07:50,418 - A lot of people were willing to believe 185 00:07:50,453 --> 00:07:52,921 That they just left for various reasons - financial, 186 00:07:52,956 --> 00:07:55,882 Or because they were married, or because of islamophobia 187 00:07:55,959 --> 00:07:58,927 And islamic forces were coming to kill their gays 188 00:07:58,962 --> 00:08:01,021 Who were married, leading gay lives. 189 00:08:02,632 --> 00:08:04,224 My perspective was both. 190 00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:06,935 You see, I was not immune to the uh, 191 00:08:07,011 --> 00:08:09,771 Unconscious racism that we all have. 192 00:08:09,847 --> 00:08:11,606 (siren wails) 193 00:08:11,641 --> 00:08:13,816 - There were certainly people saying the police 194 00:08:13,827 --> 00:08:15,994 Are not paying attention because they're three brown men: 195 00:08:16,071 --> 00:08:17,987 They're being racist, like that. 196 00:08:17,998 --> 00:08:20,615 If they were white people, they would've found them already. 197 00:08:20,650 --> 00:08:22,992 ♪♪♪ 198 00:08:23,003 --> 00:08:25,003 - If the three people that had been missing 199 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,006 Had all been native bond canadian, 200 00:08:28,083 --> 00:08:30,091 People who lived in toronto, 201 00:08:31,202 --> 00:08:34,087 Then there would've been far, far more pressure 202 00:08:34,163 --> 00:08:35,838 On the police, and everyone else in the community, 203 00:08:35,849 --> 00:08:37,799 To find out what happened. 204 00:08:37,875 --> 00:08:39,759 But because they were all immigrants, 205 00:08:39,836 --> 00:08:41,436 There wasn't that pressure. 206 00:08:42,672 --> 00:08:44,514 - For years, people in the community 207 00:08:44,525 --> 00:08:47,475 Were saying something's going on, something's wrong, 208 00:08:47,510 --> 00:08:50,311 And for years, nothing happens. 209 00:08:50,346 --> 00:08:52,280 (ominous music) 210 00:08:53,683 --> 00:08:56,025 Everything changed in 2012 211 00:08:56,036 --> 00:08:59,037 When toronto police received this tip from interpol. 212 00:09:01,024 --> 00:09:04,158 Wendy: Interpol is an international policing agency. 213 00:09:04,193 --> 00:09:06,878 They take tips from around the world 214 00:09:06,955 --> 00:09:10,123 And help notify the police within a certain jurisdiction. 215 00:09:10,199 --> 00:09:12,050 The tip originated in switzerland. 216 00:09:13,536 --> 00:09:16,004 Someone within the toronto police service gets this call 217 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,006 (phone rings) that, might sound strange, 218 00:09:18,082 --> 00:09:20,383 But potentially there is a cannibal working within 219 00:09:20,394 --> 00:09:21,884 The greater toronto area. 220 00:09:21,895 --> 00:09:24,145 (ominous music) 221 00:09:25,473 --> 00:09:28,057 - When you're first told, it's unbelievable, 222 00:09:28,068 --> 00:09:30,902 You're like, "really? Come on, a cannibal?" 223 00:09:30,979 --> 00:09:33,521 It's somebody online, 224 00:09:33,598 --> 00:09:36,858 Confessing to a murder, to somebody else who's online. 225 00:09:36,934 --> 00:09:39,193 And then, well, hold on a second, 226 00:09:39,270 --> 00:09:42,697 Actually we do have a missing man from toronto 227 00:09:42,732 --> 00:09:46,042 Who fits the profile that this individual was talking about. 228 00:09:47,445 --> 00:09:49,704 - This source helped authorities over in europe 229 00:09:49,739 --> 00:09:52,582 With a cannibalism investigation over there, 230 00:09:52,593 --> 00:09:55,585 And was determined to be, uh, credible. 231 00:09:55,596 --> 00:09:59,264 - They were able to identify that skanda navaratnam, 232 00:09:59,341 --> 00:10:02,091 One of the men who'd gone missing from the gay village, 233 00:10:02,102 --> 00:10:04,927 May actually be the victim involved here. 234 00:10:04,938 --> 00:10:06,521 (ominous music) 235 00:10:09,300 --> 00:10:12,060 So, they began looking into skanda's disappearance, 236 00:10:12,095 --> 00:10:13,561 And then realized, 237 00:10:13,596 --> 00:10:16,230 There's actually other men who fit into this category 238 00:10:16,307 --> 00:10:18,533 Who have gone missing from the gay village. 239 00:10:19,620 --> 00:10:21,444 Newsreel: Police now believe the disappearances 240 00:10:21,455 --> 00:10:22,904 May be connected. 241 00:10:22,980 --> 00:10:26,074 - Police are wondering, and investigating, 242 00:10:26,150 --> 00:10:29,410 Whether or not these missing men had been killed, 243 00:10:29,487 --> 00:10:31,296 And then, potentially eaten. 244 00:10:33,041 --> 00:10:35,300 - I was working at homicide at the time. 245 00:10:35,377 --> 00:10:37,293 I became involved in the investigation 246 00:10:37,304 --> 00:10:40,388 That became "project houston," December of 2012. 247 00:10:42,458 --> 00:10:44,759 - The toronto police named this investigation 248 00:10:44,794 --> 00:10:47,553 "project houston" because it was 249 00:10:47,630 --> 00:10:49,389 "houston, we have a problem." 250 00:10:49,465 --> 00:10:50,940 (ominous music) 251 00:10:54,470 --> 00:10:55,728 (siren wails) 252 00:10:55,805 --> 00:10:59,157 Wendy: Who is bruce mcarthur? Man: I only knew him as bruce. 253 00:11:02,019 --> 00:11:03,945 - How serious did police take this investigation? 254 00:11:04,021 --> 00:11:05,905 - We didn't know how big this was gonna get. 255 00:11:05,982 --> 00:11:08,991 - The police asked us to come for a meeting, 256 00:11:09,002 --> 00:11:12,087 And then they said, "we found several bodies." 257 00:11:13,173 --> 00:11:14,956 - This is, bar none, 258 00:11:15,032 --> 00:11:17,792 The biggest crime story to ever hit this city. 259 00:11:17,827 --> 00:11:20,804 ♪♪♪ 260 00:11:25,352 --> 00:11:29,479 ♪♪♪ 261 00:11:30,691 --> 00:11:35,143 ♪♪♪ 262 00:11:35,219 --> 00:11:37,145 - I was called into a meeting 263 00:11:37,221 --> 00:11:39,772 With my unit commander at homicide 264 00:11:39,849 --> 00:11:41,950 And briefed on what they had. 265 00:11:42,944 --> 00:11:44,652 James: A source in switzerland, 266 00:11:44,687 --> 00:11:47,321 Had infiltrated a cannibalism ring online, 267 00:11:47,356 --> 00:11:49,991 Discussing torture scenarios. 268 00:11:50,067 --> 00:11:52,368 It was out of toronto. 269 00:11:52,379 --> 00:11:54,996 - Based on the information that that witness 270 00:11:55,031 --> 00:11:57,165 Had gathered online; 271 00:11:57,241 --> 00:11:59,500 He'd believed it was skanda 272 00:11:59,535 --> 00:12:02,503 That the cannibal was talking about. 273 00:12:02,538 --> 00:12:03,571 (siren wails) 274 00:12:03,648 --> 00:12:05,548 We were actually able to go to switzerland 275 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,058 And interview this person. 276 00:12:07,135 --> 00:12:09,969 They had identified the username as john jacobs, 277 00:12:10,046 --> 00:12:12,731 In a website that catered to people 278 00:12:12,807 --> 00:12:15,108 With cannibal fetishes. 279 00:12:16,478 --> 00:12:18,945 John jacobs was identified as james brunton. 280 00:12:19,931 --> 00:12:21,522 - James brunton, 281 00:12:21,557 --> 00:12:24,400 He started being the focus of this investigation. 282 00:12:24,411 --> 00:12:26,194 - He was married 283 00:12:26,270 --> 00:12:29,247 And would frequent the gay village in toronto. 284 00:12:30,584 --> 00:12:33,126 We could place him in the village on several occasions. 285 00:12:34,278 --> 00:12:36,204 - The investigation ramped up. 286 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,540 Police started really looking at his online activity. 287 00:12:39,617 --> 00:12:42,093 They ended up searching through his home. 288 00:12:43,287 --> 00:12:45,096 They began realizing that he taped 289 00:12:45,173 --> 00:12:48,049 Male hockey players, without their knowledge, 290 00:12:48,084 --> 00:12:49,717 While they were in a change room. 291 00:12:49,794 --> 00:12:53,179 - And there was an awful lot of surveillance conducted. 292 00:12:53,256 --> 00:12:55,223 It was a very, very large 293 00:12:55,299 --> 00:12:57,391 Investigation and operation 294 00:12:57,426 --> 00:13:00,278 To get us to the point where we were finally able to say 295 00:13:01,305 --> 00:13:03,114 This guy hasn't killed anybody. 296 00:13:04,433 --> 00:13:07,443 - It ends up not being a cannibalism ring, 297 00:13:07,454 --> 00:13:10,622 But what they end up uncovering is child pornography. 298 00:13:11,699 --> 00:13:14,116 Newsreel: 65-year-old, james alex brunton, 299 00:13:14,127 --> 00:13:15,618 Walked out of court today, 300 00:13:15,629 --> 00:13:17,870 After being sentenced for making, possessing, 301 00:13:17,947 --> 00:13:20,081 And distributing child pornography. 302 00:13:20,157 --> 00:13:22,208 - He was ultimately charged with child pornography 303 00:13:22,285 --> 00:13:24,252 And sexual offences, 304 00:13:24,328 --> 00:13:26,921 And he was arrested, and ultimately, 305 00:13:26,956 --> 00:13:29,465 He pled guilty to some of the charges. 306 00:13:29,476 --> 00:13:30,658 (siren wails) 307 00:13:30,735 --> 00:13:33,094 Wendy: Toronto police came to the conclusion that, 308 00:13:33,170 --> 00:13:35,096 While he was involved in things 309 00:13:35,172 --> 00:13:37,139 That many of us would consider to be disgusting 310 00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:39,267 And reprehensible, 311 00:13:39,343 --> 00:13:41,602 Ultimately, they weren't able to find any evidence 312 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,272 That connected him to skanda navaratnam 313 00:13:44,348 --> 00:13:46,274 Or any of the men 314 00:13:46,350 --> 00:13:48,034 That had gone missing from the gay village. 315 00:13:49,687 --> 00:13:54,949 ♪♪♪ 316 00:13:54,984 --> 00:13:56,951 - The project then resorted back 317 00:13:56,986 --> 00:13:59,579 To a missing person investigation. 318 00:13:59,655 --> 00:14:01,840 A missing person investigation is far different. 319 00:14:01,916 --> 00:14:04,792 For the most part, statistics are the person is missing 320 00:14:04,869 --> 00:14:06,294 Because they wanna be missing. 321 00:14:06,370 --> 00:14:09,138 Missing persons are not criminal offences. 322 00:14:11,017 --> 00:14:13,184 - They'd opened up an investigation 323 00:14:13,261 --> 00:14:15,011 Into these missing men 324 00:14:15,021 --> 00:14:17,230 And had nothing to show for it. 325 00:14:19,383 --> 00:14:23,027 ♪♪♪ 326 00:14:23,104 --> 00:14:24,687 (cars whoosh by) 327 00:14:24,698 --> 00:14:26,865 - In June of 2013, 328 00:14:26,941 --> 00:14:29,108 We made a public appeal 329 00:14:29,185 --> 00:14:32,704 Specifically about those three missing persons. 330 00:14:32,780 --> 00:14:34,488 Newsreel: With posters now up around the neighbourhood, 331 00:14:34,565 --> 00:14:36,324 Local residents are on the lookout. 332 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,326 - Yeah, it is a little bit scary to know 333 00:14:38,402 --> 00:14:39,794 That three people vanished. 334 00:14:41,072 --> 00:14:43,122 - They started doing more interviews 335 00:14:43,199 --> 00:14:46,259 With members of the gay village community. 336 00:14:47,411 --> 00:14:49,053 - A lot of people came forward 337 00:14:49,130 --> 00:14:51,339 And attempted to help provide information. 338 00:14:51,415 --> 00:14:53,215 Wendy: One of the men that was interviewed 339 00:14:53,226 --> 00:14:55,217 Had come onto the radar for police 340 00:14:55,228 --> 00:14:58,220 When they found his email address 341 00:14:58,231 --> 00:15:01,232 In the phone that belonged to skanda navaratnam. 342 00:15:01,309 --> 00:15:03,684 That same email address was also written 343 00:15:03,761 --> 00:15:07,280 On a notepad owned by abdulbasir faizi. 344 00:15:08,766 --> 00:15:11,409 - We have a username of silver foxx, 345 00:15:12,937 --> 00:15:15,529 But we didn't know exactly what the relationship was 346 00:15:15,564 --> 00:15:17,707 Between silver foxx and these men. 347 00:15:19,402 --> 00:15:22,578 They had identified the username and ip address; 348 00:15:22,589 --> 00:15:25,081 Within 24 hours, 349 00:15:25,091 --> 00:15:27,917 Silver foxx was identified as bruce mcarthur. 350 00:15:27,928 --> 00:15:29,719 (ominous music) 351 00:15:31,598 --> 00:15:33,765 He was from the village; maybe he can help us out 352 00:15:34,842 --> 00:15:36,717 And explain what's happened to these guys. 353 00:15:36,794 --> 00:15:39,646 ♪♪♪ 354 00:15:42,258 --> 00:15:44,359 He was interviewed as a witness. 355 00:15:45,428 --> 00:15:47,019 - When toronto police interviewed 356 00:15:47,096 --> 00:15:49,021 Bruce mcarthur in 2013, 357 00:15:49,098 --> 00:15:53,234 They would have seen an older man, kind of portly guy. 358 00:15:53,269 --> 00:15:57,121 He was relatively newly out, as a gay man, 359 00:15:57,198 --> 00:16:00,116 And had just started a landscaping company, 360 00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:02,126 And was doing pretty well. 361 00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:05,964 - Bruce mcarthur had been interviewed 362 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,416 By some of my team-mates, 363 00:16:08,492 --> 00:16:11,427 And I watched the interviews that took place that day. 364 00:16:13,214 --> 00:16:15,139 That interview had been scheduled, 365 00:16:15,216 --> 00:16:17,800 And rescheduled, several times, and to my understanding, 366 00:16:17,811 --> 00:16:20,136 He was very receptive of changing the interviews, 367 00:16:20,146 --> 00:16:21,896 And had no issues coming in. 368 00:16:23,132 --> 00:16:25,099 Wendy: He was a grandfather. 369 00:16:25,134 --> 00:16:27,435 He sometimes worked as a mall santa. 370 00:16:27,511 --> 00:16:29,937 He came across as very affable. 371 00:16:29,972 --> 00:16:32,782 I don't know that alarm bells were going off about him. 372 00:16:34,018 --> 00:16:36,610 - I thought, I-I saw that he was a very credible, 373 00:16:36,687 --> 00:16:38,821 Believable person. Uh, he wanted to help; 374 00:16:38,832 --> 00:16:40,373 He seemed genuine. 375 00:16:41,909 --> 00:16:43,451 When we interviewed him, 376 00:16:43,527 --> 00:16:45,453 He denied knowing abdulbasir faizi, 377 00:16:45,529 --> 00:16:49,123 But he admitted readily to knowing majeed kayhan, 378 00:16:49,158 --> 00:16:51,333 And skandaraj navaratnam. 379 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:53,419 Skanda worked for mcarthur 380 00:16:53,496 --> 00:16:55,263 And had been in a relationship with him. 381 00:16:56,832 --> 00:16:58,340 - Mcarthur had a close relationship 382 00:16:58,351 --> 00:17:00,018 With skanda navaratnam. 383 00:17:00,094 --> 00:17:03,730 He had hired him to help him with his landscaping business. 384 00:17:04,766 --> 00:17:06,315 He'd helped bruce out on job sites. 385 00:17:07,551 --> 00:17:09,819 - We know that bruce mcarthur's clients met skanda. 386 00:17:13,107 --> 00:17:14,857 (dog barks in the distance) 387 00:17:14,868 --> 00:17:18,486 ♪♪♪ 388 00:17:18,562 --> 00:17:21,489 - Bruce had about 100 clients; he liked them, 389 00:17:21,565 --> 00:17:23,824 And they all thought he was fantastic, 390 00:17:23,859 --> 00:17:25,960 Which he was with us. 391 00:17:27,363 --> 00:17:28,788 (birds chirp, grass rustles) 392 00:17:28,864 --> 00:17:31,999 Skanda handed me plants and said hello. 393 00:17:32,076 --> 00:17:34,001 I thought he was delightful. 394 00:17:34,036 --> 00:17:35,720 Very sweet, very humours. 395 00:17:36,723 --> 00:17:39,390 I liked him because when I made jokes 396 00:17:39,467 --> 00:17:41,884 Sort of at bruce's expense, because he never caught on, 397 00:17:41,895 --> 00:17:44,303 Skanda laughed right away 398 00:17:44,380 --> 00:17:46,388 And he realized that it was funny 399 00:17:46,399 --> 00:17:48,399 That bruce wasn't getting it. 400 00:17:49,593 --> 00:17:53,187 Wendy: Not only did he know skanda navaratnam, 401 00:17:53,264 --> 00:17:56,324 But he also admitted to hiring majeed kayhan. 402 00:17:57,243 --> 00:17:59,068 (ominous music) 403 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:00,736 Karen: I noticed him 404 00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:02,580 Because he seemed so out of his element. 405 00:18:03,607 --> 00:18:05,407 He was in the background, 406 00:18:05,418 --> 00:18:07,076 Right by the edge of the hill, 407 00:18:07,087 --> 00:18:09,245 Standing just there, 408 00:18:09,255 --> 00:18:11,080 And leaning on the shovel. 409 00:18:11,091 --> 00:18:13,591 I could tell from the way he handled the shovel, 410 00:18:15,619 --> 00:18:17,303 It, I don't think he'd ever touched one before. 411 00:18:18,264 --> 00:18:20,256 He was awkward with it. 412 00:18:20,266 --> 00:18:22,475 And just seemed miserable, 413 00:18:23,419 --> 00:18:25,770 Kinda sad. 414 00:18:25,847 --> 00:18:28,013 At the time, I was so concerned about him, 415 00:18:28,090 --> 00:18:29,723 And bruce was annoyed with him. 416 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,392 "it just isn't working out," he kept saying, 417 00:18:31,468 --> 00:18:33,394 "he's just not working out" 418 00:18:33,470 --> 00:18:36,781 And bruce very rarely got annoyed about anything. 419 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:40,067 So, that night, 420 00:18:40,144 --> 00:18:42,444 I sent an email to bruce and said, 421 00:18:42,455 --> 00:18:44,455 "so, how's it working with that guy? 422 00:18:44,532 --> 00:18:46,624 Is he, is he going to work out?" 423 00:18:47,985 --> 00:18:49,410 And he never responded, 424 00:18:49,486 --> 00:18:51,745 And I never saw that man again. 425 00:18:51,822 --> 00:18:53,506 (ominous music) 426 00:18:54,968 --> 00:18:57,751 - The point of interviewing mcarthur, at the time, 427 00:18:57,828 --> 00:19:00,421 Was an attempt to find out what had happened; 428 00:19:00,456 --> 00:19:02,923 Where are these guys, does anybody know. 429 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,967 ♪♪♪ 430 00:19:04,978 --> 00:19:08,304 Obviously, if we had three missing persons, 431 00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:10,890 And perhaps, any evidence 432 00:19:10,966 --> 00:19:13,434 That they had actually been murdered, 433 00:19:13,469 --> 00:19:15,603 Or met with some foul play, 434 00:19:15,679 --> 00:19:17,989 Something more possibly could've been done. 435 00:19:19,567 --> 00:19:22,276 - Bruce mcarthur was a witness, just like anybody else, 436 00:19:22,353 --> 00:19:24,278 And you could link him to two out of three. 437 00:19:24,355 --> 00:19:26,822 But we had investigators on our own team 438 00:19:26,833 --> 00:19:29,500 Who were within the community, who told us, 439 00:19:29,577 --> 00:19:31,285 That we're a small community, you know. 440 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,287 Everyone knows everybody. 441 00:19:33,364 --> 00:19:35,247 - Certainly, wasn't unusual in houston, 442 00:19:35,324 --> 00:19:36,790 To interview people from the village, 443 00:19:36,825 --> 00:19:39,594 Who knew skanda, majeed, and-and basir. 444 00:19:41,997 --> 00:19:43,631 - When he left that interview room, 445 00:19:43,707 --> 00:19:45,466 There was little follow up. 446 00:19:45,501 --> 00:19:49,103 ♪♪♪ 447 00:19:50,881 --> 00:19:54,192 - "project houston" was unceremoniously 448 00:19:54,268 --> 00:19:56,310 Disbanded a few months later. 449 00:19:56,387 --> 00:19:58,020 Newsreel: An 18 month investigation 450 00:19:58,031 --> 00:20:00,314 Called "project houston," into those three men, 451 00:20:00,391 --> 00:20:02,200 Wrapped up in 2014. 452 00:20:02,276 --> 00:20:04,035 It was never resolved. 453 00:20:04,111 --> 00:20:06,370 Wendy: "project houston" effectively ended 454 00:20:06,447 --> 00:20:08,539 Without finding out what happened. 455 00:20:08,616 --> 00:20:09,990 We have a lot of questions 456 00:20:10,067 --> 00:20:12,534 About why they didn't probe further, 457 00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:14,536 Either into mcarthur, 458 00:20:14,547 --> 00:20:16,622 Or the missing men investigation, 459 00:20:16,699 --> 00:20:18,674 And try to find out what happened to them. 460 00:20:20,077 --> 00:20:22,044 - A traditional homicide investigation, you know, 461 00:20:22,055 --> 00:20:23,387 A murder's taken place. 462 00:20:23,464 --> 00:20:25,673 You look at your victim's steps, moving backwards. 463 00:20:25,749 --> 00:20:28,050 A missing person investigation is far different - 464 00:20:28,061 --> 00:20:29,677 A lot of times, you don't even have a starting point 465 00:20:29,753 --> 00:20:32,146 Of where that person went missing from. 466 00:20:33,641 --> 00:20:35,641 Skanda was staying on a few peoples' couches, 467 00:20:35,718 --> 00:20:38,069 So you're not permanently staying at a certain address. 468 00:20:38,145 --> 00:20:40,020 You know, people are assuming he's staying with friends 469 00:20:40,055 --> 00:20:41,572 Or staying elsewhere. 470 00:20:41,649 --> 00:20:44,191 Abdulbasir faizi phoned home to say that 471 00:20:44,226 --> 00:20:46,527 He was gonna go out for drinks with friends from work, 472 00:20:46,603 --> 00:20:48,237 And just never came home. 473 00:20:48,248 --> 00:20:50,072 (siren wails) 474 00:20:50,083 --> 00:20:53,167 When you look at most of the missing men, 475 00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:56,578 There's a natural delay in reporting, 476 00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:58,256 And in those delay, unfortunately, 477 00:20:58,332 --> 00:21:00,040 You lose evidence. 478 00:21:00,117 --> 00:21:02,668 I just know that our team was fully invested 479 00:21:02,745 --> 00:21:05,471 In attempting to find out what happened to these men. 480 00:21:06,457 --> 00:21:08,599 ♪♪♪ 481 00:21:08,676 --> 00:21:11,010 Wendy: Toronto police closed down "project houston" 482 00:21:11,086 --> 00:21:12,886 In April of 2014, 483 00:21:12,963 --> 00:21:15,439 But this was just the beginning 484 00:21:15,516 --> 00:21:17,441 Of a horrifying pattern emerging. 485 00:21:18,594 --> 00:21:21,570 And no one detected that for years. 486 00:21:23,098 --> 00:21:25,032 ♪♪♪ 487 00:21:32,441 --> 00:21:36,919 ♪♪♪ 488 00:21:39,114 --> 00:21:41,549 Wendy: Soon after "project houston" closes, 489 00:21:43,136 --> 00:21:45,803 Three more men go missing in the village. 490 00:21:48,716 --> 00:21:50,799 Soroush mahmudi went missing 491 00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:53,886 Around the time of August 2015. 492 00:21:53,962 --> 00:21:55,646 Khrishna kumar kanagaratnam, 493 00:21:55,723 --> 00:21:57,639 A few months later. 494 00:21:57,650 --> 00:21:59,808 And then, dean lisowick 495 00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:02,486 Goes missing April of 2016. 496 00:22:02,563 --> 00:22:05,314 So, the phenomenon of men going missing 497 00:22:05,325 --> 00:22:07,441 From the gay village is continuing, 498 00:22:07,476 --> 00:22:09,777 But it's not widely known, 499 00:22:09,853 --> 00:22:12,204 And certainly, police were not investigating. 500 00:22:13,982 --> 00:22:16,917 - Soroush mahmudi was married with children. 501 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,120 He went to bed, and then when they got up in the morning, 502 00:22:20,197 --> 00:22:21,672 He was gone. 503 00:22:21,749 --> 00:22:23,883 The assumption was he left for work. 504 00:22:26,161 --> 00:22:28,512 He was reported missing, but because nobody knew 505 00:22:28,589 --> 00:22:30,631 About the lifestyle that he was living, 506 00:22:30,707 --> 00:22:32,466 Nobody thought to make a connection at all 507 00:22:32,501 --> 00:22:34,134 To the church and wellesley street area. 508 00:22:34,169 --> 00:22:36,637 No one even looked to see if it was a possibility 509 00:22:36,672 --> 00:22:39,139 He might be tied to other missing men. 510 00:22:39,174 --> 00:22:40,232 (computer beeps) 511 00:22:41,936 --> 00:22:43,602 Wendy: Khrishna kumar kanagaratnam 512 00:22:43,679 --> 00:22:45,363 Had been living underground. 513 00:22:45,439 --> 00:22:47,365 He wasn't allowed to be in canada; 514 00:22:47,441 --> 00:22:49,316 He'd been denied refugee status. 515 00:22:49,393 --> 00:22:52,453 So, it was immediately apparent when he went missing. 516 00:22:53,781 --> 00:22:56,040 Newsreel: Kanagaratnam arrived in vancouver on a cargo ship, 517 00:22:56,117 --> 00:22:58,709 Called the sun sea, in August 2010. 518 00:22:58,786 --> 00:23:00,711 One of nearly 500 sri lankan tamils 519 00:23:00,788 --> 00:23:02,588 Looking for a better life. 520 00:23:03,791 --> 00:23:06,500 Haran: He was fleeing sri lanka because of the war. 521 00:23:06,535 --> 00:23:09,628 He actually saw his brother 522 00:23:09,705 --> 00:23:11,713 Murdered by the army, 523 00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:13,265 In his front yard. 524 00:23:14,802 --> 00:23:17,678 He made his way over to toronto when he was cleared, 525 00:23:17,713 --> 00:23:20,231 And he claimed asylum here. 526 00:23:20,307 --> 00:23:23,142 His claim got denied, twice. 527 00:23:23,218 --> 00:23:24,652 He went underground. 528 00:23:26,263 --> 00:23:28,230 - He was a refugee claimant 529 00:23:28,241 --> 00:23:30,023 Who was going to be deported. 530 00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:31,984 Other than that, there were no other records 531 00:23:32,060 --> 00:23:34,036 With regards to uh, him being missing. 532 00:23:35,823 --> 00:23:37,531 Haran: A few years later, 533 00:23:37,608 --> 00:23:40,033 I met with khrishna kumar's mother. 534 00:23:40,068 --> 00:23:42,086 Listening to the mom and understanding 535 00:23:42,163 --> 00:23:43,704 Some of the tragedies that she's gone through 536 00:23:43,739 --> 00:23:46,165 In sri lanka with her other kids, 537 00:23:46,241 --> 00:23:47,716 It was just too much. 538 00:23:51,172 --> 00:23:52,596 Wendy: Dean lisowick, 539 00:23:52,673 --> 00:23:54,932 He sometimes would work as a sex worker. 540 00:23:55,009 --> 00:23:57,509 He also was homeless, and so, 541 00:23:57,586 --> 00:23:59,687 He used the city's homeless shelters. 542 00:24:01,348 --> 00:24:03,315 James: He was basically living on the street. 543 00:24:05,853 --> 00:24:07,728 You would see him sitting right at the corner 544 00:24:07,804 --> 00:24:09,447 Of church and wellesley. 545 00:24:09,523 --> 00:24:11,782 He would ask for money, and chat. 546 00:24:11,859 --> 00:24:14,201 I had a friend who had a relationship with him. 547 00:24:15,437 --> 00:24:18,038 We were really quite shocked when he disappeared. 548 00:24:20,034 --> 00:24:23,076 Wendy: These men were exceptionally vulnerable people, 549 00:24:23,111 --> 00:24:26,964 Some of whom had sought refuge in the gay village, 550 00:24:27,041 --> 00:24:30,083 Because they could be who they were. 551 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,752 Some of them came from countries where 552 00:24:31,828 --> 00:24:33,762 You are not allowed to be out, as a gay man. 553 00:24:35,216 --> 00:24:37,975 - When people who are marginalized, go missing, 554 00:24:38,052 --> 00:24:39,593 They sorta just disappear and vanish, 555 00:24:39,670 --> 00:24:41,770 And people don't blink an eye. 556 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:44,482 That's one of the big red flags. 557 00:24:44,558 --> 00:24:46,225 These are weird disappearances; 558 00:24:46,301 --> 00:24:48,027 There has to be something going on. 559 00:24:49,304 --> 00:24:51,980 To me, it tends to signal that somebody 560 00:24:51,991 --> 00:24:54,608 Might be looking for victims 561 00:24:54,685 --> 00:24:56,577 That they can get away with. 562 00:24:59,314 --> 00:25:03,575 ♪♪♪ 563 00:25:03,652 --> 00:25:06,453 - On April 17, 2017, 564 00:25:06,488 --> 00:25:08,172 A seventh man went missing. 565 00:25:09,366 --> 00:25:10,841 This was selim esen. 566 00:25:10,918 --> 00:25:13,085 He didn't have a home at the time. 567 00:25:13,161 --> 00:25:15,796 - He wasn't residing at an address. 568 00:25:15,872 --> 00:25:17,515 He went missing with all his belongings; 569 00:25:17,591 --> 00:25:19,350 He basically had a suitcase. 570 00:25:19,426 --> 00:25:21,593 It was his partner who had not heard from him 571 00:25:21,670 --> 00:25:23,804 In a couple weeks and reported him missing. 572 00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:27,024 Haran: He loved life, he loved adventures. 573 00:25:27,101 --> 00:25:29,693 He had also struggled with um, 574 00:25:29,770 --> 00:25:31,603 Mental health and substance use. 575 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,147 ♪♪♪ 576 00:25:34,182 --> 00:25:36,817 Jooyoung: The universal theme about serial killers 577 00:25:36,893 --> 00:25:38,786 Is that they opportunists. 578 00:25:40,948 --> 00:25:43,374 They think about how they can get away with things. 579 00:25:43,450 --> 00:25:45,534 (dirt thuds lightly) 580 00:25:45,545 --> 00:25:47,419 They pick certain places to hunt. 581 00:25:48,956 --> 00:25:51,123 They pick certain victims, 582 00:25:51,199 --> 00:25:54,543 And part of that is just having access to a person 583 00:25:54,554 --> 00:25:57,337 That might be vulnerable. 584 00:25:57,372 --> 00:25:59,390 After many years of getting away with the crimes 585 00:25:59,466 --> 00:26:00,882 That they've committed, 586 00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:03,686 Serial killers develop this sense of confidence. 587 00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:08,849 Over time, they might become sloppier, less risk averse, 588 00:26:08,925 --> 00:26:11,351 And they might do things that increase the likelihood 589 00:26:11,386 --> 00:26:13,520 Of them getting caught. 590 00:26:13,597 --> 00:26:15,322 ♪♪♪ 591 00:26:17,651 --> 00:26:20,744 ♪♪♪ 592 00:26:20,821 --> 00:26:22,913 - A few months later, at the end of June, 593 00:26:22,990 --> 00:26:25,073 In the middle of pride celebrations, 594 00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:27,701 Andrew kinsman went missing. 595 00:26:27,736 --> 00:26:30,462 He was the eighth man to go missing. 596 00:26:33,241 --> 00:26:34,925 Haran: Andrew was a gentle giant. 597 00:26:35,002 --> 00:26:36,927 He was really a good guy, and very, 598 00:26:37,004 --> 00:26:38,679 Very community oriented. 599 00:26:40,007 --> 00:26:42,016 - I'd met him in passing at a party. 600 00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:44,843 He was sort of eccentric. 601 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,104 A lot of people liked him. 602 00:26:47,181 --> 00:26:48,939 Jooyoung: The victim that got everybody talking 603 00:26:49,016 --> 00:26:50,941 About the fact that there could be a serial killer, 604 00:26:51,018 --> 00:26:53,226 Was andrew kinsman, 605 00:26:53,303 --> 00:26:55,520 Who was very connected in the village. 606 00:26:55,597 --> 00:26:57,731 - The other missing men were a bit more transient - 607 00:26:57,808 --> 00:26:59,608 They'd come in, they'd go out, 608 00:26:59,619 --> 00:27:01,452 They were in shelters. 609 00:27:01,528 --> 00:27:03,445 Andrew kinsman was different - 610 00:27:03,456 --> 00:27:05,947 Had a really strong community 611 00:27:05,958 --> 00:27:09,043 Of friends around him in toronto's gay village. 612 00:27:10,204 --> 00:27:12,371 - Andrew was a superintendent of his building. 613 00:27:12,447 --> 00:27:14,581 He had set routines, and set responsibilities, 614 00:27:14,616 --> 00:27:16,625 And when those uh, 615 00:27:16,636 --> 00:27:18,377 Responsibilities weren't being done, 616 00:27:18,453 --> 00:27:20,754 People in the building noticed immediately. 617 00:27:20,831 --> 00:27:23,757 - He was reported missing within a day or so, 618 00:27:23,834 --> 00:27:26,185 Of last being seen. 619 00:27:29,056 --> 00:27:32,983 - Serial killers believe they're invulnerable, 620 00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:34,985 But this was somebody who 621 00:27:35,062 --> 00:27:36,770 Was starting to maybe get sloppy. 622 00:27:36,805 --> 00:27:39,815 ♪♪♪ 623 00:27:39,825 --> 00:27:41,325 Newsreel: Andrew kinsman, 624 00:27:41,402 --> 00:27:43,735 Who worked at the toronto hiv aids network, 625 00:27:43,812 --> 00:27:45,404 Disappeared more than two weeks ago, 626 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,447 Setting off a massive search effort 627 00:27:47,482 --> 00:27:49,241 By friends and colleagues, 628 00:27:49,317 --> 00:27:52,244 Who say this is out of character. 629 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,338 - When andrew kinsman went missing, 630 00:27:54,415 --> 00:27:56,957 It really, really exploded in-in the public, 631 00:27:56,992 --> 00:27:58,509 And in the media, 632 00:27:58,585 --> 00:28:00,627 And there were ground searches organized 633 00:28:00,704 --> 00:28:04,339 By members of the public, and a lot of outcry. 634 00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:06,341 Newsreel: Men who frequent or live 635 00:28:06,352 --> 00:28:08,018 In the church and wellesley area 636 00:28:08,095 --> 00:28:10,262 Have disappeared since 2010. 637 00:28:10,338 --> 00:28:12,189 Without clues as to what happened, 638 00:28:12,266 --> 00:28:14,182 The community is on edge. 639 00:28:14,193 --> 00:28:16,935 - Kinsman's disappearance mobilized the gay community. 640 00:28:17,012 --> 00:28:19,646 - And it did attract a lot of media attention. 641 00:28:19,681 --> 00:28:21,824 There was absolutely some pressure put on the police. 642 00:28:23,018 --> 00:28:24,359 - When kinsman goes missing, 643 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:27,037 It's impossible to ignore anymore, 644 00:28:27,114 --> 00:28:29,322 And the light gets shone brighter, and brighter, 645 00:28:29,357 --> 00:28:31,992 And brighter on this investigation. 646 00:28:32,068 --> 00:28:34,703 Haran: This is yet another incidence 647 00:28:34,714 --> 00:28:36,714 Where a white person goes missing 648 00:28:36,790 --> 00:28:38,999 And there's an automatic reaction, 649 00:28:39,075 --> 00:28:41,051 But when people of colour go missing, 650 00:28:41,128 --> 00:28:43,003 It's not paid attention to. 651 00:28:43,038 --> 00:28:45,222 Until something terrible happens. 652 00:28:45,299 --> 00:28:48,225 - It's a fair assumption to make 653 00:28:48,302 --> 00:28:50,510 That that changed the complexity of the investigation. 654 00:28:50,545 --> 00:28:54,314 When you look at systemic racism in policing, 655 00:28:55,550 --> 00:28:56,850 And in society. 656 00:28:56,927 --> 00:29:00,070 ♪♪♪ 657 00:29:00,147 --> 00:29:01,572 Newsreel: A community meeting will be held 658 00:29:01,648 --> 00:29:03,574 In the neighbourhood next Tuesday night. 659 00:29:03,650 --> 00:29:04,742 Police will be there. 660 00:29:04,818 --> 00:29:06,860 James: We had about 300 people at a packed meeting 661 00:29:06,937 --> 00:29:09,079 At our community centre, the 519. 662 00:29:09,156 --> 00:29:11,865 I remember saying to the person sitting with me, 663 00:29:11,942 --> 00:29:14,075 "I wonder if the serial killer is in the room?" 664 00:29:14,086 --> 00:29:16,703 Newsreel: Tonight, members of a police task force 665 00:29:16,738 --> 00:29:18,663 Gathered to try and calm fears. 666 00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:20,665 Newsreel: The recent disappearance of two men 667 00:29:20,742 --> 00:29:23,710 From the heart of toronto's lgbtq community 668 00:29:23,745 --> 00:29:25,763 Has caused deep concern. 669 00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:27,431 Their disappearances follow several 670 00:29:27,508 --> 00:29:31,059 Unsolved missing persons cases going back to 2010. 671 00:29:33,180 --> 00:29:35,764 - It was decided that we needed to 672 00:29:35,775 --> 00:29:38,108 Re-launch "project houston" 673 00:29:38,185 --> 00:29:41,069 To investigate these latest missing persons. 674 00:29:42,114 --> 00:29:45,657 - And that is the genesis of "project prism." 675 00:29:47,602 --> 00:29:49,787 The second investigation that was launched 676 00:29:49,863 --> 00:29:52,372 Into the gay village missing men. 677 00:29:54,126 --> 00:29:56,126 David: I was asked to oversee "project prism," 678 00:29:56,203 --> 00:29:57,920 As the lead investigator. 679 00:29:59,206 --> 00:30:01,465 - Selim esen and andrew kinsman 680 00:30:01,542 --> 00:30:03,124 Were missing within a few months of each other, 681 00:30:03,135 --> 00:30:05,219 From the church and wellesley street area. 682 00:30:06,663 --> 00:30:09,556 - Within days, they go into andrew kinsman's apartment. 683 00:30:12,219 --> 00:30:15,136 - We looked around for any signs of struggle, 684 00:30:15,147 --> 00:30:17,064 Any evidence where he might have gone. 685 00:30:19,726 --> 00:30:22,569 There was a traditional calendar that we located 686 00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:26,990 And on that traditional calendar 687 00:30:27,067 --> 00:30:30,110 Was medical appointments, bill payments, 688 00:30:30,145 --> 00:30:33,280 And then, on date of June 26, 689 00:30:33,356 --> 00:30:35,082 Around 2:00 p.M. Or 3:00 p.M., 690 00:30:36,151 --> 00:30:38,451 There was the name of "bruce". 691 00:30:38,486 --> 00:30:39,953 (ominous music) 692 00:30:39,988 --> 00:30:42,673 ♪♪♪ 693 00:30:42,749 --> 00:30:45,166 - You could see the seeds of shame, and rage, 694 00:30:45,177 --> 00:30:47,678 And resentment planted very early on. 695 00:30:47,754 --> 00:30:49,179 Wendy: He lived a double life. 696 00:30:49,256 --> 00:30:51,965 This is an individual who is quite skilled 697 00:30:52,042 --> 00:30:53,967 At deceiving everyone around him. 698 00:30:54,002 --> 00:30:55,677 ♪♪♪ 699 00:30:55,688 --> 00:30:57,187 - I opened the door, 700 00:30:57,264 --> 00:31:00,140 "you've got to get out of your house, now." 701 00:31:00,175 --> 00:31:02,142 - You could actually see a ribcage, 702 00:31:02,177 --> 00:31:04,194 That was visible in the x-ray. 703 00:31:04,271 --> 00:31:06,738 - This is as horrible and horrific as it gets. 704 00:31:07,891 --> 00:31:09,950 ♪♪♪ 705 00:31:14,689 --> 00:31:18,625 ♪♪♪ 706 00:31:21,196 --> 00:31:23,538 (traffic sounds) 707 00:31:23,549 --> 00:31:26,333 - It looked like andrew kinsman went missing 708 00:31:26,368 --> 00:31:29,177 Right around the 3:00 p.M. Mark on June 26. 709 00:31:30,413 --> 00:31:32,339 And with that information, 710 00:31:32,374 --> 00:31:34,174 We looked at the surveillance video 711 00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:36,051 From all over the area 712 00:31:36,061 --> 00:31:38,020 In which andrew kinsman had lived. 713 00:31:39,473 --> 00:31:41,640 - There had been a red van that stopped 714 00:31:41,716 --> 00:31:44,517 Outside of andrew kinsman's apartment, on the same day, 715 00:31:44,552 --> 00:31:47,479 Around the time that he was known to have gone missing. 716 00:31:47,555 --> 00:31:50,023 ♪♪♪ 717 00:31:50,058 --> 00:31:52,409 - A person came out of andrew kinsman's house 718 00:31:52,486 --> 00:31:54,694 And got into the passenger's side of that van. 719 00:31:54,729 --> 00:31:58,198 Unfortunately, the quality of the video at that location 720 00:31:58,274 --> 00:32:00,867 Wasn't enough to identify a person; 721 00:32:00,944 --> 00:32:04,204 Wasn't enough to, for sure, identify a vehicle. 722 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,090 It didn't automatically jump out at us to say, 723 00:32:07,167 --> 00:32:09,334 There's your killer right there. 724 00:32:09,411 --> 00:32:11,503 ♪♪♪ 725 00:32:11,579 --> 00:32:14,214 - There was a lot that you couldn't tell from that video. 726 00:32:14,290 --> 00:32:16,224 Picture sort of, like, grainy footage. 727 00:32:17,419 --> 00:32:19,511 David: I believed it was andrew kinsman, 728 00:32:19,587 --> 00:32:21,554 But I believed the strongest we could probably say in court 729 00:32:21,589 --> 00:32:23,440 Was "a person came out of that house 730 00:32:23,517 --> 00:32:25,558 And definitely gets into the passenger's side 731 00:32:25,593 --> 00:32:27,519 Of that vehicle." 732 00:32:27,595 --> 00:32:29,229 Wendy: You can't see the driver; 733 00:32:29,305 --> 00:32:31,398 You can't see the licence plate, 734 00:32:31,474 --> 00:32:33,441 But they're able to determine 735 00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:36,036 That this is likely a red dodge caravan. 736 00:32:37,105 --> 00:32:39,239 So, they take stills of the van 737 00:32:39,274 --> 00:32:40,791 To a dodge dealership, 738 00:32:40,867 --> 00:32:44,703 And see if they can determine the make and model. 739 00:32:44,779 --> 00:32:46,246 (camera shutter snaps) 740 00:32:46,322 --> 00:32:47,914 If they narrowed down the year 741 00:32:47,991 --> 00:32:50,550 It was likely made to 2004. 742 00:32:51,786 --> 00:32:53,220 - We needed to find this vehicle. 743 00:32:54,622 --> 00:32:57,090 Wendy: Toronto police request ownership information 744 00:32:57,167 --> 00:32:59,426 For that make and model of van. 745 00:32:59,461 --> 00:33:01,594 When that ownership list comes back, 746 00:33:01,671 --> 00:33:05,065 There are 6,000 owners of that make in ontario. 747 00:33:07,894 --> 00:33:09,602 - I had gone home for the day, 748 00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:11,980 I was in court that day with another murder, 749 00:33:11,991 --> 00:33:13,606 And I was at my dining room table, 750 00:33:13,683 --> 00:33:15,775 Looking through the excel spreadsheet. 751 00:33:15,852 --> 00:33:18,278 Had the name of bruce in the back of my mind. 752 00:33:18,354 --> 00:33:20,155 Bruce was a name from the calendar, 753 00:33:20,165 --> 00:33:22,407 Who we had not identified. 754 00:33:22,484 --> 00:33:25,285 So, I just happened to run bruce in the excel spreadsheet, 755 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,589 And it minimized 6,100-plus lines, down to five. 756 00:33:30,658 --> 00:33:32,792 I looked at each individual person 757 00:33:32,827 --> 00:33:33,918 And into their background, 758 00:33:33,995 --> 00:33:36,504 To see if they had any dealings with the police, 759 00:33:36,515 --> 00:33:38,265 And, and everyone didn't, 760 00:33:39,375 --> 00:33:41,134 Except for bruce mcarthur. 761 00:33:41,169 --> 00:33:42,802 (computer beeps) 762 00:33:42,837 --> 00:33:44,637 ♪♪♪ 763 00:33:44,672 --> 00:33:46,857 When I looked into bruce mcarthur's background, 764 00:33:46,933 --> 00:33:49,693 I learned he had been involved in a violent interaction 765 00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:52,112 In the back of that van, a year prior. 766 00:34:26,089 --> 00:34:27,898 (ominous music) 767 00:36:37,512 --> 00:36:39,696 - There is no doubt in john doe's mind 768 00:36:39,773 --> 00:36:42,574 That bruce was trying to kill him that day. 769 00:36:59,701 --> 00:37:03,044 - Bruce mcarthur turned himself in later that night, 770 00:37:03,055 --> 00:37:04,671 And told police, 771 00:37:04,706 --> 00:37:07,307 Actually it had been all a misunderstanding. 772 00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:11,302 - Bruce mcarthur got ahead of things 773 00:37:11,379 --> 00:37:13,063 And told his side of the story. 774 00:37:14,233 --> 00:37:16,900 James: Cop basically believed what mcarthur said, 775 00:37:16,977 --> 00:37:20,186 And that it was just hanky-panky, and let him go, 776 00:37:20,221 --> 00:37:22,522 And didn't file anything. 777 00:37:22,557 --> 00:37:25,024 Wendy: Toronto police, they're supposed to take pictures 778 00:37:25,059 --> 00:37:28,069 Within 72 hours after an alleged incident like this, 779 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,371 And that just didn't happen. 780 00:37:30,565 --> 00:37:32,490 - When two people tell their versions of events, 781 00:37:32,567 --> 00:37:34,409 As an investigator, you need to determine, 782 00:37:34,419 --> 00:37:35,910 Is there evidence that suggests that 783 00:37:35,921 --> 00:37:37,537 One is more truthful than the other? 784 00:37:37,572 --> 00:37:40,039 Is there evidence outside of the two statements? 785 00:37:40,074 --> 00:37:42,542 At the end of the day, the investigator decided 786 00:37:42,618 --> 00:37:45,670 He shouldn't be charged at that time. 787 00:37:45,747 --> 00:37:48,548 - Here is the opportunity for police investigators 788 00:37:48,624 --> 00:37:51,426 To recognize him, for what he is. 789 00:37:51,436 --> 00:37:55,555 He was sophisticated enough in his ability to lie, 790 00:37:55,590 --> 00:37:57,524 In his ability to manipulate. 791 00:37:59,135 --> 00:38:01,269 The police had no idea 792 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,021 What the hell they were dealing with. 793 00:38:03,097 --> 00:38:06,032 ♪♪♪ 794 00:38:15,276 --> 00:38:18,036 - Immediately, based on the records that I reviewed, 795 00:38:18,112 --> 00:38:20,588 I knew that bruce mcarthur is a gay male, 796 00:38:21,875 --> 00:38:23,583 And at least on one occasion, 797 00:38:23,659 --> 00:38:26,386 Had been involved in a violent interaction. 798 00:38:28,548 --> 00:38:31,049 Understanding what had happened a year prior, 799 00:38:31,125 --> 00:38:32,600 Was very helpful to me. 800 00:38:37,149 --> 00:38:38,598 - When we interviewed him, 801 00:38:38,633 --> 00:38:40,892 We learned a lot about bruce mcarthur. 802 00:38:40,968 --> 00:38:42,977 He became a person of interest 803 00:38:42,988 --> 00:38:44,937 In andrew kinsman's disappearance. 804 00:38:45,014 --> 00:38:46,814 (ominous music) 805 00:38:46,825 --> 00:38:49,275 - I was briefed by dickinson 806 00:38:49,352 --> 00:38:51,903 In September 2017. 807 00:38:51,979 --> 00:38:55,406 What triggered my recollection was 808 00:38:55,483 --> 00:38:57,492 Bruce mcarthur having being interviewed, 809 00:38:57,502 --> 00:38:59,619 And I said, "was he silverfoxx?" 810 00:38:59,654 --> 00:39:01,504 (ominous music) 811 00:39:04,867 --> 00:39:07,919 And that's when it kind of triggered in my mind, 812 00:39:07,995 --> 00:39:10,129 Okay, we might be on to something here. 813 00:39:10,164 --> 00:39:12,515 ♪♪♪ 814 00:39:17,505 --> 00:39:21,608 ♪♪♪ 815 00:39:23,103 --> 00:39:27,605 ♪♪♪ 816 00:39:27,682 --> 00:39:29,816 - When bruce mcarthur came on our radar, 817 00:39:29,851 --> 00:39:31,776 It was our job to figure out 818 00:39:31,853 --> 00:39:34,037 Everything there was to know about him. 819 00:39:34,114 --> 00:39:36,831 So, we started conducting surveillance on him. 820 00:39:38,451 --> 00:39:40,377 It was during that period, 821 00:39:40,453 --> 00:39:42,787 Our investigation determined what he did for a living, 822 00:39:42,864 --> 00:39:45,548 And where he went, his lifestyle, 823 00:39:45,625 --> 00:39:47,217 And his patterns, and his trends. 824 00:39:48,703 --> 00:39:51,003 - They start to pick up on his daily habits. 825 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,140 He lives in a big apartment building, mid-toronto. 826 00:39:56,043 --> 00:39:57,977 He's working for the landscaping company. 827 00:39:59,255 --> 00:40:01,222 - I wanna know everything there is to know about him. 828 00:40:01,233 --> 00:40:04,183 We are now looking into his family, and his friends, 829 00:40:04,218 --> 00:40:05,810 And his partners, 830 00:40:05,887 --> 00:40:08,396 Attempting to learn as much as we can about this person. 831 00:40:08,407 --> 00:40:10,898 ♪♪♪ 832 00:40:10,909 --> 00:40:12,984 He was married, and he had children himself. 833 00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:14,819 He came out and moved to toronto. 834 00:40:14,896 --> 00:40:18,239 ♪♪♪ 835 00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:21,492 Peter: I met bruce maybe 20 years ago, at least. 836 00:40:21,569 --> 00:40:23,035 Bruce would be the kinda guy 837 00:40:23,070 --> 00:40:25,037 That if I ran into him in the village, and we were bored, 838 00:40:25,072 --> 00:40:26,664 It's like, hey, let's wolf down a pizza 839 00:40:26,741 --> 00:40:28,374 And, you know, watch an episode 840 00:40:28,451 --> 00:40:30,760 Of "the golden girls", or something. 841 00:40:30,837 --> 00:40:34,005 - Bruce was kind, helpful, good at his job, 842 00:40:34,081 --> 00:40:37,091 Loved doing it. Good to his family. 843 00:40:37,102 --> 00:40:39,519 He helped us with our- our charitable projects. 844 00:40:41,181 --> 00:40:44,566 - Our circles seemed to cross paths, so I'd see him often. 845 00:40:45,927 --> 00:40:48,027 - I've known the family all my life. 846 00:40:49,281 --> 00:40:52,198 - Bruce mcarthur is originally from woodville, ontario. 847 00:40:53,526 --> 00:40:56,161 He grew up on a farm, and he had a sister. 848 00:40:58,272 --> 00:41:01,124 - His father was an alcoholic, and very abusive. 849 00:41:01,201 --> 00:41:02,700 (film reel clicks) 850 00:41:02,777 --> 00:41:05,119 Jooyoung: His father was very domineering, 851 00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:07,705 Was somebody who didn't express a lot of love 852 00:41:07,782 --> 00:41:10,082 Or affection towards him, and he grew up feeling 853 00:41:10,117 --> 00:41:13,136 Like he had to hide who he really was around his father, 854 00:41:13,213 --> 00:41:15,638 And maybe felt like he could never really live up 855 00:41:15,715 --> 00:41:19,476 To his father's expectations of him. 856 00:41:19,552 --> 00:41:21,719 Karen: Bruce used to lock 857 00:41:21,796 --> 00:41:24,305 His younger sister in the bedroom, 858 00:41:24,316 --> 00:41:27,817 To keep the abusive father away from her, 859 00:41:27,894 --> 00:41:29,986 And I think some very bad things happened 860 00:41:30,063 --> 00:41:32,739 That I don't think he's ever told anybody. 861 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,901 - There's a lot of variation in serial killer families, 862 00:41:36,978 --> 00:41:40,446 But typically, there is a history of abuse - 863 00:41:40,481 --> 00:41:42,156 Whether that's physical abuse, 864 00:41:42,167 --> 00:41:44,450 Or psychological abuse, or neglect. 865 00:41:44,527 --> 00:41:46,994 Serial killers, from a very early age, 866 00:41:47,005 --> 00:41:49,839 Often don't have the same kind of loving connections 867 00:41:49,916 --> 00:41:53,885 To their parents that you know, most people do. 868 00:41:57,257 --> 00:42:00,174 - Bruce mcarthur grew up in the 1950s and 60s. 869 00:42:00,185 --> 00:42:02,185 You can imagine what kind of environment 870 00:42:02,262 --> 00:42:05,313 That is for someone who is realizing that they're gay. 871 00:42:07,008 --> 00:42:09,976 - A flood tide of filth is engulfing our country. 872 00:42:10,052 --> 00:42:11,978 Think, then, of the consequences 873 00:42:12,013 --> 00:42:14,272 To put these homosexuals. 874 00:42:14,348 --> 00:42:17,984 - You can see the seeds of shame, and rage, 875 00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:19,986 And resentment planted very early on, 876 00:42:20,062 --> 00:42:22,321 As bruce mcarthur grew up in a society 877 00:42:22,398 --> 00:42:26,367 That was not tolerant towards lgbtq people. 878 00:42:26,378 --> 00:42:28,953 - It wouldn't be something that I would imagine 879 00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:31,706 He'd be discussing with even his closest friends, 880 00:42:31,716 --> 00:42:34,166 Let alone his family. 881 00:42:34,201 --> 00:42:35,793 Jooyoung: He grew up in a family 882 00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:37,720 That was highly religious, 883 00:42:37,797 --> 00:42:39,630 That probably also looked down upon this, so, 884 00:42:39,707 --> 00:42:42,133 From a very early age, he learned to repress 885 00:42:42,209 --> 00:42:43,393 Who he really was, 886 00:42:43,469 --> 00:42:46,971 And tried to hide this and conceal this from everyone. 887 00:42:47,048 --> 00:42:50,182 Wendy: He went to high school and met his future wife, 888 00:42:50,259 --> 00:42:52,318 And he married his high school sweetheart. 889 00:42:53,905 --> 00:42:55,730 - They had two children, 890 00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:57,574 And now he has grandchildren. 891 00:42:57,650 --> 00:43:00,026 His daughter and his son, and his wife, 892 00:43:00,102 --> 00:43:01,819 They all got along extremely well. 893 00:43:01,896 --> 00:43:04,163 Very comfortable family. 894 00:43:05,733 --> 00:43:08,242 - They lived in a nice house. 895 00:43:08,253 --> 00:43:10,036 You know, I don't know if there was a picket fence, 896 00:43:10,112 --> 00:43:12,213 But you get the impression. 897 00:43:13,499 --> 00:43:16,000 - He realizes that he can hide in plain sight 898 00:43:16,077 --> 00:43:18,252 If he has this idyllic family 899 00:43:18,263 --> 00:43:19,670 With a wife and two kids, 900 00:43:19,747 --> 00:43:21,714 Working a regular job, 901 00:43:21,749 --> 00:43:23,549 But there could've been another side of him 902 00:43:23,584 --> 00:43:26,010 Where he may have had urges, 903 00:43:26,087 --> 00:43:29,606 Or fantasies that even pre-date any kind of violent assaults, 904 00:43:29,682 --> 00:43:32,850 And was hoping that getting married, 905 00:43:32,927 --> 00:43:35,227 Starting this life, was gonna be enough 906 00:43:35,262 --> 00:43:37,196 To kinda keep him from doing those things. 907 00:43:38,432 --> 00:43:40,116 James: He led a double life in so many ways. 908 00:43:40,193 --> 00:43:43,235 For many years, living in the-in the country, 909 00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:45,696 With his wife and having children, 910 00:43:45,773 --> 00:43:48,207 But also a secret interest in men. 911 00:43:49,276 --> 00:43:50,868 - This wasn't something that he dealt with 912 00:43:50,945 --> 00:43:53,037 In early adulthood, and then he came out, 913 00:43:53,114 --> 00:43:55,247 This is something that he lived with and tried to hide 914 00:43:55,282 --> 00:43:57,717 From the world for most of his adult life. 915 00:43:59,286 --> 00:44:01,587 - He discovered he was gay and had some gay affairs 916 00:44:01,622 --> 00:44:03,756 In the 70s and 80s. 917 00:44:03,833 --> 00:44:05,391 (traffic hums) 918 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,623 (glass shatters) 919 00:44:37,658 --> 00:44:40,501 - This was probably a very painful experience for him - 920 00:44:40,512 --> 00:44:43,337 A traumatic one that's led to the disillusion 921 00:44:43,348 --> 00:44:44,755 Of his marriage, 922 00:44:44,832 --> 00:44:47,350 That led to the crumbling down of his life. 923 00:44:47,427 --> 00:44:50,186 - Did he have a resentment against toronto's gay community 924 00:44:50,263 --> 00:44:52,930 Because he was outed to his wife, 925 00:44:53,007 --> 00:44:54,640 And that wrecked the second life 926 00:44:54,675 --> 00:44:56,934 That he was-he was living? 927 00:44:57,011 --> 00:44:59,645 - The fact that the felt like he lost control 928 00:44:59,722 --> 00:45:02,273 Over his identity, over his true self, 929 00:45:02,349 --> 00:45:05,943 Over the capacity to come out on his own, 930 00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:07,954 Could've been a traumatic trigger. 931 00:45:10,208 --> 00:45:13,367 - He divorced his wife late 1990s 932 00:45:13,378 --> 00:45:16,295 And set up an apartment in toronto. 933 00:45:17,865 --> 00:45:19,665 - The kids would've been in their teens. 934 00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:22,135 I don't think they were totally comfortable with it. 935 00:45:23,296 --> 00:45:25,221 - I had a partner at the time that belonged to 936 00:45:25,298 --> 00:45:26,538 A group called "gay fathers". 937 00:45:26,574 --> 00:45:29,967 They were um, middle-aged men that came out later in life. 938 00:45:30,044 --> 00:45:31,677 It was a support group. 939 00:45:31,754 --> 00:45:33,554 They'd have meetings in the village, 940 00:45:33,565 --> 00:45:35,347 And then later, meet for coffee, 941 00:45:35,382 --> 00:45:37,349 Or a drink on one of the patios, 942 00:45:37,426 --> 00:45:38,976 And bruce was there. 943 00:45:39,053 --> 00:45:41,520 - Him and his wife split. 944 00:45:41,597 --> 00:45:43,564 That's when he moved to toronto 945 00:45:43,575 --> 00:45:45,691 And began living as a gay man, 946 00:45:45,768 --> 00:45:48,077 Frequenting toronto's gay village, 947 00:45:48,154 --> 00:45:51,998 And subsequently, starting his landscaping business. 948 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,836 - I've known the family for years. 949 00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,997 Wendy: Karen fraser, she's neighbours 950 00:46:00,074 --> 00:46:01,874 With bruce mcarthur's sister, 951 00:46:01,951 --> 00:46:04,335 At her cottage north of toronto. 952 00:46:04,411 --> 00:46:06,545 Karen: He bought the gardening business. 953 00:46:06,580 --> 00:46:08,214 His sister called me and said, 954 00:46:08,249 --> 00:46:11,175 "you have a double garage that you don't use, 955 00:46:11,252 --> 00:46:14,220 Would you let my brother store his equipment?" 956 00:46:14,255 --> 00:46:17,148 And I said, "well, if he cut the lawn, it's a deal." 957 00:46:18,634 --> 00:46:21,519 Wendy: He offered to take care of their lawn 958 00:46:21,595 --> 00:46:24,688 While they were away for long stretches of the summer, 959 00:46:24,765 --> 00:46:26,449 At their cottage. 960 00:46:26,526 --> 00:46:29,443 So, it was a-a mutually beneficial agreement. 961 00:46:29,454 --> 00:46:30,787 - It was simple, 962 00:46:30,863 --> 00:46:32,530 And then of course, 963 00:46:32,606 --> 00:46:35,241 He started decorating all the planters around our house. 964 00:46:35,317 --> 00:46:38,577 I thought it was the greatest deal I'd ever made in my life. 965 00:46:38,654 --> 00:46:40,046 (ominous music) 966 00:46:41,633 --> 00:46:44,041 I asked him, "what do you do the rest of the year?" 967 00:46:44,118 --> 00:46:46,377 He said, "I also work in a mall as santa claus." 968 00:46:46,453 --> 00:46:48,921 ♪♪♪ 969 00:46:48,998 --> 00:46:50,756 He was good at it. 970 00:46:50,791 --> 00:46:52,925 He got along well with children. 971 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,052 Jooyoung: Serial killers like to construct 972 00:46:55,129 --> 00:46:57,814 This mask of normalcy that they wear, 973 00:46:57,890 --> 00:46:59,932 Participating in wholesome activities 974 00:46:59,967 --> 00:47:03,152 Like being a mall santa, or being a clown. 975 00:47:03,229 --> 00:47:06,063 Kind of like this front to further conceal 976 00:47:06,140 --> 00:47:08,282 Their true selves from the rest of society. 977 00:47:10,736 --> 00:47:12,319 - He lived a double life. 978 00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:15,447 This is an individual who is quite skilled 979 00:47:15,482 --> 00:47:17,959 At deceiving everyone around him. 980 00:47:19,153 --> 00:47:21,620 - His double life then was that he was a landscaper 981 00:47:21,697 --> 00:47:25,624 Who was frequently meeting people uh, for sex. 982 00:47:25,659 --> 00:47:27,585 He was online all the time 983 00:47:27,661 --> 00:47:31,097 As a middle-aged man looking for, shall we say, 984 00:47:32,666 --> 00:47:34,100 Um, wilder sex. 985 00:47:35,761 --> 00:47:37,469 - We have a bunch of red flags: 986 00:47:37,546 --> 00:47:39,597 Traumatic childhood, 987 00:47:39,673 --> 00:47:42,024 Violent urges. 988 00:47:42,101 --> 00:47:43,976 There's a confluence of things. 989 00:47:44,053 --> 00:47:45,686 The rough sex, 990 00:47:45,697 --> 00:47:48,105 Hedonistic life that he was trying to live 991 00:47:48,182 --> 00:47:50,816 After repressed for so many years, escalated, 992 00:47:50,893 --> 00:47:53,360 And he realized that he enjoyed that. 993 00:47:53,371 --> 00:47:56,322 The experience of sexual domination, 994 00:47:56,357 --> 00:47:59,542 The excitement that you feel in the moment, 995 00:47:59,619 --> 00:48:01,127 Having that kind of control. 996 00:48:02,196 --> 00:48:03,829 Then, if he takes it to the next level 997 00:48:03,864 --> 00:48:05,789 And commits lethal violence, 998 00:48:05,866 --> 00:48:07,049 That that's even more of a rush. 999 00:48:08,369 --> 00:48:11,137 ♪♪♪ 1000 00:48:16,135 --> 00:48:19,645 ♪♪♪ 1001 00:48:21,065 --> 00:48:23,515 ♪♪♪ 1002 00:48:23,550 --> 00:48:25,684 Wendy: Bruce mcarthur had been identified 1003 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,069 As a person of interest 1004 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,656 In the disappearance of andrew kinsman. 1005 00:48:32,151 --> 00:48:34,360 One of the first red flags 1006 00:48:34,436 --> 00:48:36,820 Is bruce mcarthur had been alleged 1007 00:48:36,897 --> 00:48:39,156 To have assaulted a man in 2016, 1008 00:48:39,233 --> 00:48:41,334 Inside the red van. 1009 00:48:58,585 --> 00:49:00,386 Wendy: While toronto police are beginning 1010 00:49:00,462 --> 00:49:02,596 To look into bruce mcarthur, 1011 00:49:02,607 --> 00:49:05,057 Fairly quickly, they actually learned 1012 00:49:05,092 --> 00:49:08,060 That he has sold that red van. 1013 00:49:08,137 --> 00:49:10,604 (traffic whooshes) 1014 00:49:10,615 --> 00:49:13,065 David: Bruce mcarthur was the last person, 1015 00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:14,566 Or at least somebody driving his van, 1016 00:49:14,601 --> 00:49:16,827 Was the last person to pick up andrew kinsman. 1017 00:49:18,364 --> 00:49:21,082 Before andrew kinsman was never seen again. 1018 00:49:23,652 --> 00:49:26,128 When we start looking into the van, 1019 00:49:26,205 --> 00:49:28,747 We discover that he's no longer driving it. 1020 00:49:28,824 --> 00:49:33,627 ♪♪♪ 1021 00:49:33,638 --> 00:49:35,921 We have no evidence that anyone's been murdered. 1022 00:49:35,956 --> 00:49:38,391 We don't have a-a body, we don't have a crime scene. 1023 00:49:39,835 --> 00:49:41,143 We have a missing person, 1024 00:49:41,220 --> 00:49:43,095 And we have someone who we believe 1025 00:49:43,172 --> 00:49:45,222 Picks up that missing person 1026 00:49:45,299 --> 00:49:47,474 On the last day that they're last seen. 1027 00:49:47,485 --> 00:49:50,319 At that point, it was important to find that van. 1028 00:49:52,139 --> 00:49:53,939 Wendy: What they did as investigators, 1029 00:49:53,974 --> 00:49:56,233 Was start to fan out 1030 00:49:56,310 --> 00:49:57,994 And go to wrecking yards, 1031 00:49:58,070 --> 00:50:00,287 And auto body shops in the area. 1032 00:50:03,484 --> 00:50:05,242 - Bruce mcarthur seemed to have a history 1033 00:50:05,319 --> 00:50:07,244 Of wrecking his vehicles in the past, 1034 00:50:07,321 --> 00:50:09,121 So, we thought we'd check wrecking yards 1035 00:50:09,156 --> 00:50:11,173 In the east end of toronto. 1036 00:50:11,250 --> 00:50:13,634 It took weeks. 1037 00:50:15,588 --> 00:50:17,629 I got a call from my investigator 1038 00:50:17,664 --> 00:50:19,890 That they located it at dom's auto in courtice. 1039 00:50:21,668 --> 00:50:25,471 ♪♪♪ 1040 00:50:25,506 --> 00:50:27,973 - A couple of metro detectives came in, 1041 00:50:28,008 --> 00:50:30,776 Asked if we had a particular vehicle in our inventory. 1042 00:50:32,271 --> 00:50:34,480 They just said it was involved in a crime. 1043 00:50:34,556 --> 00:50:37,649 We assumed it was some sort of hit and run, 1044 00:50:37,684 --> 00:50:40,286 Or a theft crime of some sort. We had no idea. 1045 00:50:42,564 --> 00:50:45,207 David: When bruce mcarthur sold it to dom's, 1046 00:50:45,284 --> 00:50:47,659 Not long after, there was an announcement 1047 00:50:47,736 --> 00:50:49,703 That, you know, we were looking into 1048 00:50:49,714 --> 00:50:52,298 The disappearances of the missing men. 1049 00:50:53,867 --> 00:50:56,385 I did believe that there was some sort of nefarious purpose 1050 00:50:56,462 --> 00:50:58,304 To him getting rid of his vehicle. 1051 00:51:01,375 --> 00:51:03,392 - Bruce mcarthur pulled up his car, uh, 1052 00:51:03,469 --> 00:51:05,644 With the front end facing the side door, here. 1053 00:51:06,806 --> 00:51:08,522 I came out, looked around the vehicle. 1054 00:51:09,901 --> 00:51:12,485 Made him an offer on it; he accepted right away. 1055 00:51:13,905 --> 00:51:17,898 We paid bruce mcarthur $125 for his vehicle. 1056 00:51:17,909 --> 00:51:20,159 (ominous music) 1057 00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:23,987 He seemed just like, a normal-normal person. 1058 00:51:24,064 --> 00:51:26,332 There was nothing out of the ordinary about this guy. 1059 00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:29,335 He didn't look nervous, at all. 1060 00:51:30,830 --> 00:51:33,163 The only thing that was really sorta different 1061 00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:35,925 Was the fact that he didn't for any more money, at all. 1062 00:51:36,001 --> 00:51:38,710 He just settled on the price that I offered him, 1063 00:51:38,745 --> 00:51:40,763 I paid him, and took the ownership, and off he went. 1064 00:51:42,916 --> 00:51:44,550 - They got lucky. 1065 00:51:44,585 --> 00:51:46,885 The red caravan owned by bruce mcarthur 1066 00:51:46,962 --> 00:51:49,263 Was still in the auto yard. 1067 00:51:49,273 --> 00:51:53,725 ♪♪♪ 1068 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,945 - Obviously, most wrecking yards would wreck vehicles. 1069 00:51:58,265 --> 00:51:59,990 Any evidence would be destroyed. 1070 00:52:03,362 --> 00:52:06,372 We were very lucky that it was 90 percent intact. 1071 00:52:09,201 --> 00:52:11,001 - They had actually maintained the van. 1072 00:52:13,614 --> 00:52:15,422 It still had evidentiary value. 1073 00:52:17,635 --> 00:52:19,885 Toronto police seized the van, 1074 00:52:21,455 --> 00:52:23,556 They drove it back to toronto, 1075 00:52:24,791 --> 00:52:27,309 And had it tested at the centre for forensic science. 1076 00:52:27,386 --> 00:52:29,979 And I know that-that police actually followed the van 1077 00:52:30,055 --> 00:52:32,481 All the way down the highway, back to toronto, 1078 00:52:32,558 --> 00:52:34,358 Because they didn't wanna lose it again. 1079 00:52:36,896 --> 00:52:38,737 David: The van is examined and analyzed, 1080 00:52:40,307 --> 00:52:42,274 And this doesn't happen, you know, overnight. 1081 00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:44,285 Not like television. 1082 00:52:45,312 --> 00:52:46,778 This was about a month later 1083 00:52:46,855 --> 00:52:48,414 That it took for us to get the results. 1084 00:52:51,169 --> 00:52:53,785 - Once the forensic testing is done, 1085 00:52:53,820 --> 00:52:56,922 They determine that there was, in fact, blood in the van, 1086 00:52:58,158 --> 00:53:01,126 And it almost certainly belonged to andrew kinsman. 1087 00:53:01,161 --> 00:53:03,295 ♪♪♪ 1088 00:53:03,372 --> 00:53:05,172 At this point, 1089 00:53:05,183 --> 00:53:07,925 Bruce mcarthur is named a suspect 1090 00:53:08,001 --> 00:53:09,435 In andrew kinsman's death. 1091 00:53:12,172 --> 00:53:14,648 ♪♪♪ 1092 00:53:18,696 --> 00:53:22,656 ♪♪♪ 1093 00:53:25,894 --> 00:53:27,945 Wendy: Toronto police had their suspicions 1094 00:53:28,021 --> 00:53:30,113 That bruce mcarthur had killed andrew kinsman 1095 00:53:30,190 --> 00:53:32,458 Inside of his red caravan. 1096 00:53:34,620 --> 00:53:37,621 Police likely could have made an arrest at that time, 1097 00:53:37,698 --> 00:53:40,624 But the amount of blood that was found in the van 1098 00:53:40,701 --> 00:53:44,169 Was not enough to automatically show 1099 00:53:44,204 --> 00:53:46,213 Andrew kinsman was dead, 1100 00:53:46,224 --> 00:53:48,340 Or that he had been killed inside the van. 1101 00:53:48,417 --> 00:53:50,726 David: It was small amounts of blood. 1102 00:53:50,803 --> 00:53:54,313 It was blood the size of the head of a pencil. 1103 00:53:55,233 --> 00:53:56,732 As an investigator, 1104 00:53:56,809 --> 00:53:59,184 I knew that it could be explained away in court. 1105 00:53:59,261 --> 00:54:01,144 Andrew kinsman and bruce mcarthur 1106 00:54:01,221 --> 00:54:03,146 Had a previous relationship. 1107 00:54:03,223 --> 00:54:04,907 An experienced defence counsel 1108 00:54:04,984 --> 00:54:07,526 Could easily explain the blood from a previous encounter, 1109 00:54:07,561 --> 00:54:09,995 Or andrew kinsman cut himself while in the vehicle. 1110 00:54:11,898 --> 00:54:14,032 - Even with kinsman's blood identified 1111 00:54:14,109 --> 00:54:15,867 In the back of his van, 1112 00:54:15,944 --> 00:54:19,705 And mcarthur's association to at least two, 1113 00:54:19,781 --> 00:54:22,591 If not three, of the previous missing persons, 1114 00:54:22,668 --> 00:54:25,252 You're not even close to having enough evidence 1115 00:54:25,263 --> 00:54:27,054 To make an arrest yet. 1116 00:54:28,457 --> 00:54:30,048 Wendy: Police wanted to continue 1117 00:54:30,125 --> 00:54:32,592 To investigate bruce mcarthur, from afar. 1118 00:54:32,603 --> 00:54:35,053 They did not want to tip him off to the fact 1119 00:54:35,130 --> 00:54:36,722 That he was under investigation. 1120 00:54:36,757 --> 00:54:38,515 David: Up until November 8th, 1121 00:54:38,592 --> 00:54:40,225 Bruce mcarthur was a person of interest 1122 00:54:40,260 --> 00:54:41,852 In andrew kinsman's disappearance, 1123 00:54:41,928 --> 00:54:44,396 So, any surveillance that we were doing on him 1124 00:54:44,473 --> 00:54:46,898 At that point was more to understand who he was. 1125 00:54:46,975 --> 00:54:48,692 (engines rumble) 1126 00:54:48,769 --> 00:54:50,944 Once he became a suspect, we're surveilling him, 1127 00:54:50,955 --> 00:54:52,705 To protect the public. 1128 00:54:54,959 --> 00:54:57,626 Hank: Surveillance had to be ramped up. 1129 00:54:58,704 --> 00:55:00,129 We couldn't let him out of our sight. 1130 00:55:01,490 --> 00:55:04,416 - If bruce mcarthur knows police are investigating him, 1131 00:55:04,493 --> 00:55:06,626 He may do all kinds of things, 1132 00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:08,804 Like, destroy information 1133 00:55:08,881 --> 00:55:11,390 That may tie him to these homicides. 1134 00:55:12,459 --> 00:55:15,644 So, it's crucial police don't provide mcarthur 1135 00:55:15,721 --> 00:55:17,730 With information that they're onto him. 1136 00:55:19,508 --> 00:55:21,058 - There was lots happening. 1137 00:55:21,134 --> 00:55:22,726 Ultimately, a decision was made that, you know, 1138 00:55:22,803 --> 00:55:24,436 We were gonna attempt to get into his apartment, 1139 00:55:24,513 --> 00:55:26,438 To search it for evidence. 1140 00:55:26,515 --> 00:55:28,982 - So, they apply for a warrant 1141 00:55:28,993 --> 00:55:31,318 To allow them to go into his apartment 1142 00:55:31,329 --> 00:55:33,445 And search covertly. 1143 00:55:33,522 --> 00:55:36,656 ♪♪♪ 1144 00:55:36,667 --> 00:55:39,451 - We were authorized to enter his apartment surreptitiously, 1145 00:55:39,528 --> 00:55:41,828 Without letting him know we were in there. 1146 00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:44,664 ♪♪♪ 1147 00:55:44,675 --> 00:55:47,667 We got a warrant on December 5th. 1148 00:55:47,678 --> 00:55:51,463 A few days later, on December 8th, 1149 00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:54,299 He left and went to the east end of toronto. 1150 00:55:54,376 --> 00:55:56,468 Well, we decided to take the opportunity 1151 00:55:56,545 --> 00:55:58,437 To attempt to-to go into his apartment. 1152 00:56:00,432 --> 00:56:02,182 Wendy: By then, they knew his 1153 00:56:02,193 --> 00:56:04,017 Daily movement around the city, 1154 00:56:04,028 --> 00:56:06,028 They knew he was off doing landscaping work. 1155 00:56:07,940 --> 00:56:10,649 David: Primary focus was to clone his computer. 1156 00:56:10,725 --> 00:56:12,651 There was also a physical search that was done, 1157 00:56:12,727 --> 00:56:14,945 Looking through drawers, et cetera. 1158 00:56:15,021 --> 00:56:16,947 Wendy: So, they go into the apartment, 1159 00:56:17,023 --> 00:56:20,117 They start looking through his devices. 1160 00:56:20,193 --> 00:56:23,036 David: We had several members of the toronto police service 1161 00:56:23,047 --> 00:56:24,996 Inside his apartment. 1162 00:56:25,073 --> 00:56:27,457 I was communicating with people 1163 00:56:27,534 --> 00:56:29,000 Who were watching bruce mcarthur. 1164 00:56:29,077 --> 00:56:30,836 He had set patterns. 1165 00:56:30,871 --> 00:56:33,130 We knew where he'd be Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, 1166 00:56:33,206 --> 00:56:35,173 But unfortunately, the week of December 5th, 1167 00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:36,341 His pattern changed. 1168 00:56:36,376 --> 00:56:38,051 (music intensifies) 1169 00:56:38,062 --> 00:56:40,437 - They get the call that mcarthur is coming back. 1170 00:56:41,590 --> 00:56:43,232 Hank: Last thing you want is someone to come home 1171 00:56:43,308 --> 00:56:45,392 And walk in on you. 1172 00:56:45,403 --> 00:56:47,519 And once he started heading back home, 1173 00:56:47,596 --> 00:56:49,396 You have to shut everything down, 1174 00:56:49,407 --> 00:56:51,240 And get out of there as fast as you can. 1175 00:56:51,316 --> 00:56:53,075 (computer beeps) 1176 00:56:53,152 --> 00:56:56,027 Wendy: You can imagine how stressful it would be, 1177 00:56:56,062 --> 00:56:58,697 As an investigator, to go into someone's home, 1178 00:56:58,773 --> 00:57:00,824 Then have someone radio in, 1179 00:57:00,901 --> 00:57:03,168 Actually he's coming back to the apartment. 1180 00:57:04,404 --> 00:57:06,538 - I'm liaising with my people who are watching him. 1181 00:57:06,615 --> 00:57:08,424 If he drove directly to the apartment, 1182 00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:10,259 I'd say he had ten minutes to get back there. 1183 00:57:10,335 --> 00:57:12,928 (music intensifies) 1184 00:57:13,005 --> 00:57:15,097 Wendy: They had no choice; they had to leave. 1185 00:57:17,509 --> 00:57:19,626 (music intensifies) 1186 00:57:22,631 --> 00:57:24,556 - They got out, just in the nick of time, 1187 00:57:24,591 --> 00:57:27,017 Before bruce mcarthur ended up coming home. 1188 00:57:27,093 --> 00:57:29,436 David: We were successful in getting into his apartment. 1189 00:57:29,447 --> 00:57:31,271 We were only able to get 1190 00:57:31,282 --> 00:57:32,856 About 50 percent of his computer. 1191 00:57:32,933 --> 00:57:36,735 - If I saw that in a scripted tv cop show, 1192 00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:38,278 I would be like, ugh, 1193 00:57:38,289 --> 00:57:41,498 You know that's not believable, but this happened. 1194 00:57:43,127 --> 00:57:45,410 Over the following weeks, toronto police investigators 1195 00:57:45,445 --> 00:57:47,913 Are frantically digging through 1196 00:57:47,989 --> 00:57:51,541 The contents of mcarthur's computer. 1197 00:57:51,618 --> 00:57:53,460 David: We were looking for google search sites, 1198 00:57:53,471 --> 00:57:55,587 Emails, anything that might lead us to 1199 00:57:55,664 --> 00:57:57,589 An idea where andrew kinsman might be. 1200 00:57:57,624 --> 00:57:59,382 Wendy: They're using all kinds of software 1201 00:57:59,459 --> 00:58:01,801 To look at his searches. 1202 00:58:01,812 --> 00:58:04,721 They wanna see if he's got any maps that he's pulled up. 1203 00:58:04,798 --> 00:58:07,265 Any kind of indication where he's been 1204 00:58:07,342 --> 00:58:08,600 In the last few months, 1205 00:58:08,677 --> 00:58:10,936 And who he's communicating with. 1206 00:58:10,971 --> 00:58:13,772 - It was quite a staggering amount of information 1207 00:58:13,807 --> 00:58:16,107 To go through. 1208 00:58:16,142 --> 00:58:18,109 - Mcarthur had a lot of pictures of men 1209 00:58:18,144 --> 00:58:19,536 On his computer. 1210 00:58:20,572 --> 00:58:22,331 He had pictures of andrew kinsman, 1211 00:58:22,407 --> 00:58:24,783 Taken when they were out in nature together, 1212 00:58:24,859 --> 00:58:27,294 Taking photos together, in much happier times. 1213 00:58:28,822 --> 00:58:31,289 - As an investigator, there was good evidence on there, 1214 00:58:31,324 --> 00:58:32,841 But it wasn't enough. 1215 00:58:32,918 --> 00:58:35,511 We knew andrew kinsman had a previous history 1216 00:58:35,587 --> 00:58:37,513 With bruce mcarthur. 1217 00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:39,422 We still think this person's responsible 1218 00:58:39,499 --> 00:58:41,841 For andrew kinsman's murder - we don't have the evidence yet, 1219 00:58:41,852 --> 00:58:43,635 But we need to keep trying to get it. 1220 00:58:43,712 --> 00:58:46,930 So, we were going to other methods. 1221 00:58:47,007 --> 00:58:49,140 Wendy: One of the detectives, part of "project prism," 1222 00:58:49,175 --> 00:58:51,017 Decided to sift through the contents 1223 00:58:51,028 --> 00:58:53,478 Of mcarthur's computer with a different kind of 1224 00:58:53,555 --> 00:58:56,114 Photo-specific search device. 1225 00:58:57,726 --> 00:58:59,368 As a result of that search, 1226 00:58:59,444 --> 00:59:01,870 He starts to pick up on images 1227 00:59:01,947 --> 00:59:04,781 That are different from some of the ones 1228 00:59:04,858 --> 00:59:07,292 The police had found on mcarthur's computer, before. 1229 00:59:09,529 --> 00:59:12,831 - The images weren't actually still on the computer, 1230 00:59:12,907 --> 00:59:16,167 But we were able to recover ghosts of those images, 1231 00:59:16,244 --> 00:59:17,961 Because they had been deleted or removed 1232 00:59:18,038 --> 00:59:19,671 At some point in time or transferred 1233 00:59:19,748 --> 00:59:22,057 To or from the computer. 1234 00:59:22,134 --> 00:59:25,010 - He had other images on his computer 1235 00:59:25,086 --> 00:59:27,345 That included a picture of a poster 1236 00:59:27,422 --> 00:59:29,273 Advertising "project houston." 1237 00:59:30,475 --> 00:59:32,401 That obviously would've been an indication to police 1238 00:59:32,477 --> 00:59:35,353 That mcarthur was watching their earlier investigation 1239 00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:37,114 Into the disappearances. 1240 00:59:38,650 --> 00:59:41,076 - Serial killers get a rush 1241 00:59:41,153 --> 00:59:43,486 Out of knowing that people are talking 1242 00:59:43,563 --> 00:59:45,488 About crimes that they've committed, 1243 00:59:45,565 --> 00:59:47,624 And that nobody is on to them. 1244 00:59:49,569 --> 00:59:52,370 - After many hours of searching, 1245 00:59:52,405 --> 00:59:54,205 The toronto police investigator 1246 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,925 Finds an image different from the ones 1247 00:59:57,002 --> 00:59:59,210 Police have found so far. 1248 00:59:59,287 --> 01:00:02,097 - They start pulling files off of his computer, 1249 01:00:02,174 --> 01:00:04,266 Which would end up being the smoking gun 1250 01:00:04,343 --> 01:00:06,101 For their investigation. 1251 01:00:06,178 --> 01:00:09,771 - This picture was on mcarthur's bed. 1252 01:00:10,924 --> 01:00:15,027 It was of a man who looked as though he was dead. 1253 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,905 ♪♪♪ 1254 01:00:23,370 --> 01:00:26,872 ♪♪♪ 1255 01:00:29,776 --> 01:00:31,251 (low hum of chatter) 1256 01:00:32,612 --> 01:00:34,412 Adrian: So, they had a photo of this man 1257 01:00:34,489 --> 01:00:36,581 That they got from mcarthur's hard drive. 1258 01:00:36,616 --> 01:00:38,300 It's shocking. 1259 01:00:38,377 --> 01:00:39,885 (mouse clicks) 1260 01:00:41,121 --> 01:00:42,971 Wendy: The toronto police investigator finds an image 1261 01:00:43,048 --> 01:00:45,090 That is different from the ones 1262 01:00:45,166 --> 01:00:47,017 That police have found so far. 1263 01:00:47,961 --> 01:00:50,595 It is a picture of selim esen, 1264 01:00:50,672 --> 01:00:51,888 And he is dead. 1265 01:00:51,965 --> 01:00:54,066 (ominous music) 1266 01:00:55,343 --> 01:00:58,061 It's difficult to overstate how important this was. 1267 01:00:58,138 --> 01:00:59,729 This was the first direct evidence 1268 01:00:59,806 --> 01:01:01,490 That toronto police had, 1269 01:01:01,566 --> 01:01:03,233 That selim esen was dead, 1270 01:01:03,309 --> 01:01:05,911 And that bruce mcarthur was involved. 1271 01:01:09,983 --> 01:01:11,833 - All of a sudden, you go from no evidence 1272 01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:13,660 To link the two together, 1273 01:01:13,671 --> 01:01:16,955 To right now, we can charge him for murder for it, 1274 01:01:16,990 --> 01:01:19,624 Because we have a photograph of-of selim esen, 1275 01:01:19,701 --> 01:01:21,134 Deceased in his bed. 1276 01:01:22,087 --> 01:01:23,970 (ominous music) 1277 01:01:25,874 --> 01:01:28,100 Wendy: The search through the computer had continued. 1278 01:01:29,169 --> 01:01:31,928 They were able to locate a deceased image 1279 01:01:32,005 --> 01:01:33,647 Of andrew kinsman, as well. 1280 01:01:35,383 --> 01:01:37,684 - As an investigator, it's a strange feeling 1281 01:01:37,695 --> 01:01:39,978 Because you're brought into this 1282 01:01:40,013 --> 01:01:41,938 To ultimately figure out what happened. 1283 01:01:42,015 --> 01:01:43,532 We were looking into the disappearances 1284 01:01:43,608 --> 01:01:44,983 Of these two men, 1285 01:01:45,018 --> 01:01:47,661 And we were now finding out what happened. 1286 01:01:49,898 --> 01:01:51,781 It's not what anyone had hoped for, 1287 01:01:51,858 --> 01:01:53,375 It's not what we wanted, 1288 01:01:53,452 --> 01:01:55,419 But we were getting those answers. 1289 01:01:56,529 --> 01:01:57,871 And then, we start uncovering photographs 1290 01:01:57,881 --> 01:01:59,715 Of the other missing men. 1291 01:02:00,867 --> 01:02:03,334 Wendy: They came upon images of the other missing men, 1292 01:02:03,369 --> 01:02:05,670 Who also appeared to be deceased. 1293 01:02:05,705 --> 01:02:07,222 This was huge. 1294 01:02:07,299 --> 01:02:09,549 I mean, this was toronto police discovering 1295 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,509 That bruce mcarthur... 1296 01:02:11,586 --> 01:02:12,844 Is a serial killer. 1297 01:02:12,921 --> 01:02:15,305 (ominous music) 1298 01:02:15,381 --> 01:02:17,223 - From what we learned, most of the pictures, 1299 01:02:17,234 --> 01:02:19,184 If not all, were taken in the apartment, 1300 01:02:19,219 --> 01:02:20,694 In his bedroom. 1301 01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:25,574 Wendy: Bruce mcarthur took pictures of his victims. 1302 01:02:25,650 --> 01:02:28,452 Dressing them up, putting them near a fur coat. 1303 01:02:29,654 --> 01:02:32,080 In one case, he put a cigar in a victim's mouth. 1304 01:02:33,066 --> 01:02:34,824 It's highly disturbing. 1305 01:02:34,901 --> 01:02:37,252 Adrian: After he killed them, they were tied to his bed, 1306 01:02:37,329 --> 01:02:39,162 Then he'd dress them, 1307 01:02:39,239 --> 01:02:40,872 And he'd position them in different ways. 1308 01:02:40,907 --> 01:02:43,508 Position them in-in vulgar ways. 1309 01:02:46,412 --> 01:02:48,346 - Thankfully, those images have never been released. 1310 01:02:49,457 --> 01:02:52,050 Hank: They are gruesome and no family member 1311 01:02:52,085 --> 01:02:54,936 Or friends, certainly, of any of the victims, 1312 01:02:55,013 --> 01:02:57,439 For sure, would ever want to see those images. 1313 01:02:57,516 --> 01:02:59,983 I wouldn't want to re-traumatize people. 1314 01:03:01,094 --> 01:03:02,519 Michael: In mcarthur's case, 1315 01:03:02,595 --> 01:03:04,354 We see all types of elaborate poses 1316 01:03:04,430 --> 01:03:06,940 To offer indignities to the bodies in death. 1317 01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:09,234 Shrouding them in fur. 1318 01:03:09,310 --> 01:03:11,361 A variety of-of poses that, 1319 01:03:11,437 --> 01:03:13,747 Obviously, have some significance. 1320 01:04:12,424 --> 01:04:14,349 - The kinds of things that mr. Mcarthur did 1321 01:04:14,426 --> 01:04:16,259 With posing, with pictures, 1322 01:04:16,336 --> 01:04:18,803 You can continue to humiliate 1323 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,523 And debase a person, even after they're dead, 1324 01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,475 And you derive this sense of power over them, 1325 01:04:24,510 --> 01:04:27,687 And that's something that's very tantalizing 1326 01:04:27,698 --> 01:04:29,022 To the serial killer. 1327 01:04:29,032 --> 01:04:30,857 They don't feel that kind of control, ever, 1328 01:04:30,868 --> 01:04:33,151 In their lives, and then, all of a sudden, they have it, 1329 01:04:33,186 --> 01:04:36,371 And it's this dark magic, almost. 1330 01:04:36,448 --> 01:04:39,824 ♪♪♪ 1331 01:04:39,901 --> 01:04:41,951 - Photographs are, inevitably, 1332 01:04:42,028 --> 01:04:44,713 A souvenir for any offender. 1333 01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:48,666 There's a whole deep-seeded experiential dimension 1334 01:04:48,743 --> 01:04:51,386 To-to watching, and seeing, and recreating, 1335 01:04:51,463 --> 01:04:54,339 That allowed bruce mcarthur to live in this dark, 1336 01:04:54,374 --> 01:04:56,725 Twisted world, perpetually. 1337 01:04:58,544 --> 01:05:01,479 - It's as horrible and horrific as it gets. 1338 01:05:02,590 --> 01:05:04,858 These men were individuals, like you or I. 1339 01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:08,353 They had families, they had friends, 1340 01:05:08,388 --> 01:05:10,238 They have loved ones. 1341 01:05:10,315 --> 01:05:13,408 And they were attacked 1342 01:05:14,653 --> 01:05:16,152 And played with, 1343 01:05:16,229 --> 01:05:18,154 Like they were a toy. 1344 01:05:18,231 --> 01:05:21,666 And I can't think of a more degrading way to die. 1345 01:05:24,663 --> 01:05:27,205 - What he did was very disturbing. 1346 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,166 There's moments during the investigation 1347 01:05:30,243 --> 01:05:32,335 That will certainly stay with me forever, 1348 01:05:32,412 --> 01:05:34,504 Will probably stay with the city of toronto forever. 1349 01:05:34,580 --> 01:05:37,548 ♪♪♪ 1350 01:05:37,583 --> 01:05:39,884 - They knew that they had a serial killer on their hands, 1351 01:05:39,961 --> 01:05:41,394 And he's loose. 1352 01:05:42,514 --> 01:05:44,389 - There obviously is a big risk to the public, 1353 01:05:44,465 --> 01:05:46,650 Knowing what we know now. He can't be left out there. 1354 01:05:48,445 --> 01:05:51,187 - At that time, they had no idea 1355 01:05:51,264 --> 01:05:54,157 Whether bruce mcarthur was working on his own. 1356 01:05:55,768 --> 01:05:59,237 With every minute that passes after an arrest, 1357 01:05:59,272 --> 01:06:01,906 That's time when other associates 1358 01:06:01,941 --> 01:06:03,741 Could destroy evidence. 1359 01:06:03,776 --> 01:06:06,920 Items that are really crucial to a conviction. 1360 01:06:09,615 --> 01:06:11,457 - There were search warrants that needed to be executed 1361 01:06:11,468 --> 01:06:14,511 At multiple locations, and on vehicles. 1362 01:06:16,381 --> 01:06:18,256 - Police need to be very careful 1363 01:06:18,291 --> 01:06:20,883 About how they move through this late stage 1364 01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,552 Of an investigation. 1365 01:06:22,628 --> 01:06:25,930 They needed some time to secure paperwork. 1366 01:06:26,007 --> 01:06:27,732 This was a major operation. 1367 01:06:29,802 --> 01:06:31,987 - We were preparing for his arrest 1368 01:06:32,063 --> 01:06:33,697 And preparing search warrants, 1369 01:06:34,974 --> 01:06:37,066 And I had my investigators 1370 01:06:37,143 --> 01:06:39,452 Surveilling him, 24-7. 1371 01:06:42,648 --> 01:06:45,333 When I got a telephone call from my investigators, 1372 01:06:45,410 --> 01:06:47,618 Advising me that bruce mcarthur 1373 01:06:47,695 --> 01:06:50,505 Had just picked up a male off the street 1374 01:06:50,582 --> 01:06:52,549 And that they were heading back to his apartment. 1375 01:06:54,827 --> 01:06:57,345 - I'll never forget that phone call from dave dickinson, 1376 01:06:57,422 --> 01:06:58,963 When he said, 1377 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,349 "he's going into his apartment with another man." 1378 01:07:02,877 --> 01:07:04,594 Wendy: By now, they know that bruce mcarthur 1379 01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:06,771 Has killed inside his apartment 1380 01:07:08,007 --> 01:07:09,640 Because they have the pictures 1381 01:07:09,717 --> 01:07:12,643 Of dead men on mcarthur's bed. 1382 01:07:12,678 --> 01:07:14,645 What was incredibly critical, 1383 01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,482 That they not allow bruce mcarthur to enter 1384 01:07:17,517 --> 01:07:19,993 His apartment with another person, alone. 1385 01:07:21,538 --> 01:07:23,321 Someone's life is on the line. 1386 01:07:23,356 --> 01:07:26,207 ♪♪♪ 1387 01:07:26,284 --> 01:07:28,284 - I asked hank idsinga, 1388 01:07:28,361 --> 01:07:30,045 "how many officers were involved in this?" 1389 01:07:30,121 --> 01:07:31,880 And he just looked at me. 1390 01:07:31,956 --> 01:07:34,799 - Police were talking about dozens of properties. 1391 01:07:36,035 --> 01:07:38,303 - There was a rib cage that was visible in the x-ray. 1392 01:07:39,539 --> 01:07:41,672 - They wanted to question us about the planters - 1393 01:07:41,707 --> 01:07:44,050 Were some of them ours, were some of them his. 1394 01:07:44,061 --> 01:07:46,469 David: I will never stop looking. 1395 01:07:46,546 --> 01:07:48,137 Wendy: You have to wonder if that was part of it, 1396 01:07:48,214 --> 01:07:49,806 For mcarthur. 1397 01:07:49,882 --> 01:07:51,724 - I don't even know how to form a reaction to that. 1398 01:07:51,735 --> 01:07:53,068 It's not human. 1399 01:07:53,144 --> 01:07:55,820 ♪♪♪ 1400 01:08:00,327 --> 01:08:04,537 ♪♪♪ 1401 01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:08,866 ♪♪♪ 1402 01:08:08,901 --> 01:08:10,752 - Toronto police knew that they had 1403 01:08:10,829 --> 01:08:12,870 A serial killer on their hands 1404 01:08:12,905 --> 01:08:15,507 And decided they would arrest bruce mcarthur. 1405 01:08:16,742 --> 01:08:20,753 Hank: Had two officers from "project prism", following him. 1406 01:08:20,764 --> 01:08:23,848 He picked up a man and headed back to his apartment. 1407 01:08:25,844 --> 01:08:27,936 - Police are in a sudden situation 1408 01:08:28,012 --> 01:08:30,105 Where they have to decide what to do next. 1409 01:08:31,424 --> 01:08:33,650 Hank: He parked in an area where he normally doesn't park, 1410 01:08:34,686 --> 01:08:36,694 I believe to avoid surveillance cameras. 1411 01:08:37,972 --> 01:08:40,940 And took that man up to his apartment. 1412 01:08:40,951 --> 01:08:42,308 (elevator dings) 1413 01:08:42,310 --> 01:08:45,236 Wendy: They knew that he had killed men in his apartment; 1414 01:08:45,313 --> 01:08:47,163 Someone's life is on the line. 1415 01:08:48,774 --> 01:08:50,950 - As an investigator, I had to look at 1416 01:08:50,961 --> 01:08:54,203 What are the risks to arrest him early. 1417 01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,706 What evidence could be lost? 1418 01:08:56,782 --> 01:08:59,959 I made a decision that he was gonna be arrested immediately. 1419 01:08:59,970 --> 01:09:01,886 (sirens wail) 1420 01:09:02,997 --> 01:09:05,089 Wendy: Mcarthur lived on the 19th floor 1421 01:09:05,124 --> 01:09:08,384 And when police were swooping in to arrest mcarthur, 1422 01:09:08,461 --> 01:09:10,311 They had to wait for the elevator. 1423 01:09:10,388 --> 01:09:12,054 - There was only one elevator working 1424 01:09:12,131 --> 01:09:14,932 In his apartment building. It was rammed full. 1425 01:09:15,009 --> 01:09:17,768 We packed in there like sardines, and made our way, 1426 01:09:17,803 --> 01:09:19,604 Very slowly, to the 19th floor, 1427 01:09:19,639 --> 01:09:22,398 And stopping on every third floor. 1428 01:09:22,475 --> 01:09:24,942 - I just can't imagine what that wait would've been like. 1429 01:09:24,977 --> 01:09:26,944 Ten seconds would've felt like an hour. 1430 01:09:26,979 --> 01:09:29,780 - We were prepared to forcefully enter the apartment, 1431 01:09:29,857 --> 01:09:32,116 If we had to, but we knocked. 1432 01:09:32,151 --> 01:09:33,784 (elevator dings) 1433 01:09:33,819 --> 01:09:37,955 ♪♪♪ 1434 01:09:38,032 --> 01:09:40,592 - But bruce just answered the door. 1435 01:09:42,495 --> 01:09:44,971 - We forced our way in, as he answered it. 1436 01:09:46,090 --> 01:09:47,891 - When police went into the apartment unit... 1437 01:09:51,045 --> 01:09:54,805 ...They found a man who was bound and naked. 1438 01:09:54,882 --> 01:09:58,476 ♪♪♪ 1439 01:09:58,511 --> 01:10:00,486 Thankfully, he's still alive. 1440 01:10:01,681 --> 01:10:03,689 Mcarthur had taken this man back to his apartment, 1441 01:10:03,700 --> 01:10:06,484 Put a black bag on his head, 1442 01:10:06,519 --> 01:10:08,486 And told this man that they were 1443 01:10:08,521 --> 01:10:10,705 Going to try something different. 1444 01:10:11,732 --> 01:10:13,875 - In retrospect, in the circumstances 1445 01:10:13,952 --> 01:10:15,826 That he was found in mcarthur's bedroom, 1446 01:10:15,903 --> 01:10:18,621 Where he was bound to the bed, 1447 01:10:18,698 --> 01:10:21,290 I can't get too specific about what mcarthur did 1448 01:10:21,367 --> 01:10:22,884 With him in that bed, 1449 01:10:22,961 --> 01:10:26,763 But I-I do believe he would've been the ninth victim. 1450 01:10:30,727 --> 01:10:32,677 - Bruce mcarthur, he was arrested for the murders 1451 01:10:32,753 --> 01:10:34,687 Of selim esen and andrew kinsman. 1452 01:10:35,881 --> 01:10:38,233 Was very calm and cool. He didn't say much. 1453 01:10:39,552 --> 01:10:42,228 - This morning, at approximately 10:25 a.M., 1454 01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:45,949 Police arrested 66-year-old bruce mcarthur. 1455 01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,244 - Mcarthur's arrest sets off 1456 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,696 This huge investigative effort. 1457 01:10:51,772 --> 01:10:54,407 Toronto police begin quite an extensive search 1458 01:10:54,417 --> 01:10:57,076 Inside bruce mcarthur's apartment. 1459 01:10:57,087 --> 01:11:00,538 Toronto police didn't find any blood, or hair, 1460 01:11:00,573 --> 01:11:02,873 Or fingerprints of-of any of the victims, 1461 01:11:02,908 --> 01:11:05,510 But what they did find, was their belongings. 1462 01:11:07,580 --> 01:11:11,190 There was a bracelet that had belonged to skanda navaratnam. 1463 01:11:14,178 --> 01:11:15,103 There was a notebook, 1464 01:11:15,179 --> 01:11:17,789 That had been written in, by selim esen. 1465 01:11:20,777 --> 01:11:23,269 - We believe he is responsible for the deaths of other men 1466 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,280 Who have yet to be identified. 1467 01:11:26,474 --> 01:11:28,199 - There were still no bodies. 1468 01:11:30,287 --> 01:11:31,569 - He was arrested, 1469 01:11:31,604 --> 01:11:33,571 But we still needed to continue with the investigation. 1470 01:11:33,606 --> 01:11:35,573 There's still evidence out there. 1471 01:11:35,608 --> 01:11:37,408 The strongest evidence being 1472 01:11:37,485 --> 01:11:39,794 The remains of the missing men. 1473 01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,584 I interviewed bruce mcarthur the next morning. 1474 01:11:46,619 --> 01:11:49,420 He was very cordial, he was polite. 1475 01:11:49,497 --> 01:11:51,255 We chatted about a lot, 1476 01:11:51,290 --> 01:11:52,557 But he was not helpful. 1477 01:11:54,168 --> 01:11:56,427 We did not know where the remains 1478 01:11:56,504 --> 01:11:58,646 Of any of his victims were. 1479 01:11:58,723 --> 01:12:00,723 I wanted to find those remains, 1480 01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,734 I wanted to collect additional evidence. 1481 01:12:03,969 --> 01:12:06,070 - He really didn't have much to say about it, at all. 1482 01:12:07,231 --> 01:12:09,106 He was willing to engage in conversation, 1483 01:12:09,183 --> 01:12:11,901 But not directly acknowledge any of the- 1484 01:12:11,977 --> 01:12:13,986 The facts that we were presenting to him, 1485 01:12:13,997 --> 01:12:15,955 Or anything about any of the victims. 1486 01:12:18,168 --> 01:12:20,618 It was a fruitless interview with him, 1487 01:12:20,653 --> 01:12:24,088 Despite it going on for eight to ten hours. 1488 01:12:26,250 --> 01:12:27,583 - We had learned about bruce mcarthur's 1489 01:12:27,660 --> 01:12:29,344 Circle of friends and family 1490 01:12:29,420 --> 01:12:32,096 And didn't know who else may have evidence to help us. 1491 01:12:34,017 --> 01:12:35,800 - There were a multitude of places 1492 01:12:35,835 --> 01:12:38,803 That bruce mcarthur may have had access 1493 01:12:38,838 --> 01:12:42,148 And ability to bury his victims' bodies. 1494 01:12:43,843 --> 01:12:47,645 As a landscaper, bruce mcarthur had really ready 1495 01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,648 And easy access to dozens of yards 1496 01:12:50,683 --> 01:12:52,817 In the greater toronto area, 1497 01:12:52,893 --> 01:12:55,152 Because there is sort of an implicit trust 1498 01:12:55,229 --> 01:12:57,747 When it comes to hiring a landscaper. 1499 01:12:59,859 --> 01:13:02,535 - Being a landscaper, you can fade into the background. 1500 01:13:02,545 --> 01:13:04,712 You can come and go as you please, 1501 01:13:04,789 --> 01:13:07,340 You have intimate knowledge about people's homes. 1502 01:13:08,367 --> 01:13:09,625 You're sort of a part of the scenery, 1503 01:13:09,702 --> 01:13:12,461 And so, nobody really thinks twice about you. 1504 01:13:12,538 --> 01:13:15,223 It's another part of this disguise 1505 01:13:15,299 --> 01:13:18,142 That serial killers can use to get away with it. 1506 01:13:20,230 --> 01:13:22,304 - We've never seen anything quite like this 1507 01:13:22,381 --> 01:13:24,315 With the number of crime scenes that we have to process. 1508 01:13:25,718 --> 01:13:27,402 - There was an address that we knew 1509 01:13:27,478 --> 01:13:30,187 Bruce mcarthur stored his landscaping equipment there. 1510 01:13:30,222 --> 01:13:32,523 He had full access to the property and the house, 1511 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,159 And we knew he attended that property multiple times a day. 1512 01:13:37,563 --> 01:13:39,321 Karen: Normal day. 1513 01:13:39,398 --> 01:13:42,291 I got up with a list in my mind of what I wanted to do. 1514 01:13:43,736 --> 01:13:45,327 There was this incredible pounding. 1515 01:13:45,404 --> 01:13:48,205 I opened the door, "are you karen fraser?" 1516 01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,876 "yes." "you've got to get out of your house, now. 1517 01:13:51,911 --> 01:13:53,711 You have five minutes." 1518 01:13:53,746 --> 01:13:56,222 No information, no nothing. 1519 01:13:58,101 --> 01:14:00,217 We went downtown to be interviewed. 1520 01:14:00,252 --> 01:14:02,186 They took me in, and I knew nothing. 1521 01:14:04,515 --> 01:14:07,692 And then I asked, "can I know what's going on?" 1522 01:14:10,137 --> 01:14:11,937 When they say, "bruce murdered two people," 1523 01:14:11,948 --> 01:14:14,282 Like, I-I couldn't picture it. 1524 01:14:15,976 --> 01:14:17,827 So, I defended him! 1525 01:14:18,979 --> 01:14:20,738 One of the detectives said, 1526 01:14:20,773 --> 01:14:23,708 "look, don't waste your time on this guy. 1527 01:14:24,777 --> 01:14:26,869 I don't think we've ever had as much 1528 01:14:26,946 --> 01:14:28,704 Evidence against a person, 1529 01:14:28,781 --> 01:14:30,915 As we've got against him. 1530 01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:32,800 Don't waste your sympathy." 1531 01:14:33,953 --> 01:14:36,929 Alright, I'm gonna go along with this. 1532 01:14:38,475 --> 01:14:40,591 Wendy: It wasn't like this was an individual 1533 01:14:40,668 --> 01:14:42,718 Who had no social life. 1534 01:14:42,795 --> 01:14:44,720 He had close friends he would meet with 1535 01:14:44,797 --> 01:14:46,222 On a regular basis, 1536 01:14:46,298 --> 01:14:48,474 He had a relationship with his family 1537 01:14:48,485 --> 01:14:50,476 And his grandchildren. 1538 01:14:50,487 --> 01:14:52,269 You can imagine their surprise 1539 01:14:52,304 --> 01:14:54,739 When bruce mcarthur was arrested. 1540 01:14:56,809 --> 01:14:58,776 - I was watching the news, 1541 01:14:58,811 --> 01:15:00,778 And I heard bruce mcarthur 1542 01:15:00,813 --> 01:15:02,905 Is being charged as a serial killer. 1543 01:15:02,982 --> 01:15:04,907 The bruce I knew, 1544 01:15:04,984 --> 01:15:07,952 I have trouble reconciling that 1545 01:15:07,987 --> 01:15:11,789 That is the same bruce that was chopping up people. 1546 01:15:11,824 --> 01:15:13,508 There's a disconnect. 1547 01:15:15,035 --> 01:15:16,677 Karen: "thinking back, 1548 01:15:16,754 --> 01:15:18,754 Were there any bad moments?" 1549 01:15:18,831 --> 01:15:21,015 No, there weren't! 1550 01:15:21,092 --> 01:15:23,768 None at all. He was flawless. 1551 01:15:25,337 --> 01:15:28,138 - If you ever sat down and chatted with bruce mcarthur, 1552 01:15:28,173 --> 01:15:30,140 You wouldn't think for a second 1553 01:15:30,175 --> 01:15:32,109 That this man was a serial killer. 1554 01:15:33,345 --> 01:15:35,145 - The fact that he really had to hide who he was, 1555 01:15:35,222 --> 01:15:37,815 From his family and from society, 1556 01:15:37,850 --> 01:15:39,984 Was something that he could draw upon later 1557 01:15:40,060 --> 01:15:42,912 As he was getting away with these killings. 1558 01:15:44,207 --> 01:15:46,657 - Bruce mcarthur deceived many people throughout the years - 1559 01:15:46,692 --> 01:15:48,325 His family, his friends, 1560 01:15:48,402 --> 01:15:50,044 And I'd say, the police along the way, too. 1561 01:15:53,291 --> 01:15:54,790 Karen: Police searched the house, 1562 01:15:54,867 --> 01:15:57,260 I mean, completely, and totally. 1563 01:15:58,203 --> 01:16:00,504 The garage had been emptied. 1564 01:16:00,581 --> 01:16:02,932 There were maybe a dozen cops, 1565 01:16:04,043 --> 01:16:06,844 And there were command posts, and cruisers. 1566 01:16:06,879 --> 01:16:09,346 And there were media trucks all the way around 1567 01:16:09,381 --> 01:16:11,357 The little park across the street. 1568 01:16:13,352 --> 01:16:16,228 - We had our cadaver dogs working with us. 1569 01:16:16,230 --> 01:16:18,564 They showed interest in the backyard 1570 01:16:18,566 --> 01:16:20,449 Of mallory crescent. 1571 01:16:22,194 --> 01:16:25,029 Wendy: Dogs were focusing in on a few different areas, 1572 01:16:25,031 --> 01:16:27,081 And namely, they were sniffing 1573 01:16:27,083 --> 01:16:29,250 Around these really large planters 1574 01:16:29,252 --> 01:16:32,003 Mcarthur had brought onto the property. 1575 01:16:33,405 --> 01:16:36,090 T know, okay, is he hitting on the planter, 1576 01:16:36,167 --> 01:16:39,335 Is he hitting on contaminated soil in the planter, 1577 01:16:39,411 --> 01:16:42,004 Is-is there something buried underneath the planter? 1578 01:16:42,081 --> 01:16:43,589 (dog sniffing) 1579 01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,341 Newsreel: On January 21, 1580 01:16:45,417 --> 01:16:47,259 City news captured police removing this large, 1581 01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:49,103 Heavy planter from the property 1582 01:16:49,180 --> 01:16:51,889 Of ron smith and karen fraser. 1583 01:16:51,924 --> 01:16:54,191 - The forensics services unit x-ray it. 1584 01:16:55,278 --> 01:16:57,603 You can actually see the rib cage 1585 01:16:57,614 --> 01:16:59,405 That was visible when they x-ray. 1586 01:17:00,599 --> 01:17:03,609 - They started to find, um, 1587 01:17:03,620 --> 01:17:05,328 Dismembered human remains. 1588 01:17:06,605 --> 01:17:09,031 - Bruce mcarthur had landscaped hundreds of properties. 1589 01:17:09,108 --> 01:17:12,209 Were we gonna find remains all over toronto? 1590 01:17:13,487 --> 01:17:15,746 - When we heard that they found dismembered body parts 1591 01:17:15,781 --> 01:17:18,082 In planters at a home, 1592 01:17:18,117 --> 01:17:19,583 It's like a script for a horror story. 1593 01:17:19,618 --> 01:17:20,793 It's unbelievable. 1594 01:17:20,803 --> 01:17:24,180 ♪♪♪ 1595 01:17:27,626 --> 01:17:30,269 ♪♪♪ 1596 01:17:34,392 --> 01:17:36,308 - What have you learned about what police know 1597 01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:37,818 About the suspected killer? 1598 01:17:37,895 --> 01:17:39,812 - Well, christie, we know that he was 1599 01:17:39,822 --> 01:17:41,730 A 66-year-old landscaper in toronto. 1600 01:17:41,807 --> 01:17:43,824 He had access to the property where these planters, 1601 01:17:43,901 --> 01:17:45,776 And human remains, were found. 1602 01:17:45,811 --> 01:17:49,279 ♪♪♪ 1603 01:17:49,314 --> 01:17:52,500 Karen: The police asked us to come for a meeting. 1604 01:17:52,576 --> 01:17:56,120 They wanted to question us about the planters - 1605 01:17:56,196 --> 01:17:58,589 Were some of them ours, were some of them his. 1606 01:18:00,868 --> 01:18:02,459 There were a lot. 1607 01:18:02,494 --> 01:18:05,671 It turned out, there were 15 on the property. 1608 01:18:05,682 --> 01:18:08,432 And then, they said, "we found several bodies." 1609 01:18:09,852 --> 01:18:12,186 Newsreel: Three human torsos of unidentified bodies, 1610 01:18:12,263 --> 01:18:13,854 And assorted bones, 1611 01:18:13,931 --> 01:18:15,856 Have been found in large planters. 1612 01:18:15,933 --> 01:18:18,809 - The idea that I was watering planters 1613 01:18:18,844 --> 01:18:20,936 With bodies in them, 1614 01:18:21,013 --> 01:18:22,938 It-I don't know where to put that. 1615 01:18:23,015 --> 01:18:24,740 (dog sniffing) 1616 01:18:26,277 --> 01:18:28,610 - The pathologist was able to establish cause of death 1617 01:18:28,687 --> 01:18:31,655 On some of the remains, 1618 01:18:31,690 --> 01:18:34,625 And that cause of death was manual strangulation. 1619 01:18:35,861 --> 01:18:37,712 (tarp rustles) 1620 01:18:37,788 --> 01:18:39,329 - There's certainly something 1621 01:18:39,364 --> 01:18:41,373 Incredibly disturbing and unsettling 1622 01:18:41,384 --> 01:18:44,710 About knowing that dismembered human remains were just, 1623 01:18:44,721 --> 01:18:46,712 You know, in a planter 1624 01:18:46,723 --> 01:18:49,098 On someone's property in downtown toronto. 1625 01:18:51,635 --> 01:18:53,519 Karen: He ate there every day with his crew 1626 01:18:55,255 --> 01:18:58,149 And arranged the planters around the table. 1627 01:18:59,551 --> 01:19:01,518 Because you know, he was not trying to bury them 1628 01:19:01,595 --> 01:19:03,237 To get rid of them. 1629 01:19:05,241 --> 01:19:08,400 He was trying to keep them. 1630 01:19:08,411 --> 01:19:11,195 Putting them in a place where he could hang on to them. 1631 01:19:11,230 --> 01:19:13,664 So, he ate at my table, 1632 01:19:14,233 --> 01:19:16,333 Enjoying the fact that... 1633 01:19:18,996 --> 01:19:21,330 His handiwork was all around him. 1634 01:19:21,406 --> 01:19:24,500 ♪♪♪ 1635 01:19:24,576 --> 01:19:26,510 I don't even know how to form a reaction to that. 1636 01:19:30,674 --> 01:19:32,349 It's not human, to me. 1637 01:19:33,511 --> 01:19:34,602 Newsreel: As police unearth those planters, 1638 01:19:34,678 --> 01:19:37,221 And connect the dna from remains, to missing people, 1639 01:19:37,297 --> 01:19:39,556 More charges are expected to be laid. 1640 01:19:39,633 --> 01:19:42,267 - We have now identified the remains 1641 01:19:42,278 --> 01:19:45,270 Of three individuals from these planters - 1642 01:19:45,281 --> 01:19:47,948 Andrew kinsman, soroush mahmudi, 1643 01:19:48,025 --> 01:19:49,784 And skanda navaratnam. 1644 01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:53,111 - For the months after his arrest, 1645 01:19:53,122 --> 01:19:55,364 Hundreds of properties were searched, 1646 01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:57,199 With the concern that there may be 1647 01:19:57,276 --> 01:19:58,834 Additional victims out there. 1648 01:20:00,279 --> 01:20:02,246 - We started knocking on doors 1649 01:20:02,322 --> 01:20:04,915 And learning where bruce mcarthur's clients lived, 1650 01:20:04,992 --> 01:20:06,750 To go and speak with them, 1651 01:20:06,785 --> 01:20:08,919 While police were doing their investigation, 1652 01:20:08,954 --> 01:20:12,297 Which included going to each of their homes across the city, 1653 01:20:12,308 --> 01:20:15,592 And removing planter, after planter, after planter, 1654 01:20:15,627 --> 01:20:18,262 Unsure of what they were gonna find. 1655 01:20:18,338 --> 01:20:20,564 (ominous music) 1656 01:20:21,725 --> 01:20:24,268 - People who had used mcarthur as their landscaper, 1657 01:20:24,344 --> 01:20:27,396 Could rightly wonder whether they might find 1658 01:20:27,472 --> 01:20:29,773 Human remains in their planters, 1659 01:20:29,808 --> 01:20:31,817 And every development coming out of the story 1660 01:20:31,828 --> 01:20:33,610 Was worst than the last. 1661 01:20:33,645 --> 01:20:35,329 - They want anybody whose had their lawn serviced 1662 01:20:35,406 --> 01:20:37,665 By their suspect, to call in, 1663 01:20:37,741 --> 01:20:40,617 Fearing that they could have a potential crime scene 1664 01:20:40,694 --> 01:20:42,086 In their back yard. 1665 01:20:45,490 --> 01:20:49,176 - It took weeks to identify all the remains. 1666 01:20:50,495 --> 01:20:53,013 Wendy: The remains of seven of the victims 1667 01:20:53,090 --> 01:20:55,299 Were found within the planters. 1668 01:20:55,375 --> 01:20:56,675 (shovel scrapes dirt) 1669 01:20:56,686 --> 01:20:57,968 David: But we had not identified 1670 01:20:58,045 --> 01:21:00,855 The remains of majeed kayhan. 1671 01:21:02,341 --> 01:21:04,099 Adrian: If you look at the geography of the home 1672 01:21:04,176 --> 01:21:05,642 On mallory crescent, 1673 01:21:05,677 --> 01:21:08,362 It backs up to a large ravine area. 1674 01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,480 Off the backyard, it's just nature. 1675 01:21:10,557 --> 01:21:12,908 There could be more body parts back there. 1676 01:21:14,353 --> 01:21:16,862 - Being January, the ground was frozen. 1677 01:21:16,873 --> 01:21:18,622 It was not an option to search. 1678 01:21:19,876 --> 01:21:21,375 - Once the ground had thawed, 1679 01:21:22,903 --> 01:21:24,494 Police go back there, 1680 01:21:24,529 --> 01:21:26,371 And they start excavating the ravine 1681 01:21:26,382 --> 01:21:28,048 Behind the home on mallory. 1682 01:21:28,125 --> 01:21:31,793 ♪♪♪ 1683 01:21:31,870 --> 01:21:34,880 - They did a really big excavation in the summertime, 1684 01:21:34,891 --> 01:21:37,224 When they were able to penetrate the ground. 1685 01:21:38,877 --> 01:21:40,728 Newsreel: In the wooded ravine just below the property 1686 01:21:40,804 --> 01:21:42,512 Where alleged serial killer, bruce mcarthur, 1687 01:21:42,547 --> 01:21:44,565 Used to store his landscaping tools, 1688 01:21:44,642 --> 01:21:46,975 This slow and meticulous work being done 1689 01:21:47,052 --> 01:21:49,486 By dozens of officers sifting through dirt and debris. 1690 01:21:51,056 --> 01:21:52,731 Karen: When they came back, 1691 01:21:52,742 --> 01:21:54,024 (dog whimpers) 1692 01:21:54,059 --> 01:21:57,578 Within an hour, they found a body in a garbage pail. 1693 01:21:59,081 --> 01:22:01,165 - There were more remains found today. 1694 01:22:02,901 --> 01:22:05,827 Newsreel: Police hopeful they match those of majeed kayhan, 1695 01:22:05,904 --> 01:22:08,339 The only alleged victim whose remains have yet to be found. 1696 01:22:09,741 --> 01:22:11,833 - Toronto police were able to find the remains 1697 01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:13,552 Of the eighth victim. 1698 01:22:15,414 --> 01:22:16,931 Karen: When they found him, 1699 01:22:17,007 --> 01:22:18,724 He was about five feet, 1700 01:22:20,010 --> 01:22:21,936 Buried five feet away from where I saw him. 1701 01:22:23,088 --> 01:22:25,013 (shovel thuds) 1702 01:22:25,090 --> 01:22:26,732 Right by the edge of the hill. 1703 01:22:27,944 --> 01:22:30,277 Just frozen in my mind, that man standing there. 1704 01:22:31,855 --> 01:22:33,897 ♪♪♪ 1705 01:22:33,932 --> 01:22:35,273 People say to me, 1706 01:22:35,284 --> 01:22:37,117 "aren't you appalled that there were body parts?" 1707 01:22:37,194 --> 01:22:39,695 Well, the body parts aren't the men. 1708 01:22:39,771 --> 01:22:41,363 What upset me was, 1709 01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:44,199 The last moments of those guys, 1710 01:22:44,276 --> 01:22:46,201 When they were people, 1711 01:22:46,278 --> 01:22:48,295 And they were loved. 1712 01:22:48,372 --> 01:22:50,205 They were loved. 1713 01:22:50,282 --> 01:22:52,007 They had families, friends, 1714 01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:54,885 And he obliterated them. 1715 01:22:56,472 --> 01:22:58,222 For his own whatever. 1716 01:22:59,308 --> 01:23:01,216 That was upsetting. 1717 01:23:01,293 --> 01:23:03,143 (sombre music) 1718 01:23:03,220 --> 01:23:09,474 ♪♪♪ 1719 01:23:09,485 --> 01:23:12,102 Newsreel: We begin this noon hour with developing news. 1720 01:23:12,179 --> 01:23:14,312 Bruce mcarthur has plead guilty 1721 01:23:14,323 --> 01:23:16,606 To eight counts of first-degree murder. 1722 01:23:16,641 --> 01:23:18,158 ♪♪♪ 1723 01:23:18,235 --> 01:23:21,328 - That was the day everyone realized 1724 01:23:21,405 --> 01:23:23,580 There wouldn't be a trial. It was very emotional. 1725 01:23:24,816 --> 01:23:25,741 - Mixed feelings. 1726 01:23:25,817 --> 01:23:28,118 I'm hoping it's closure for a lot of people. 1727 01:23:28,153 --> 01:23:31,588 I'm hoping it's-it's starting that process towards closure. 1728 01:23:33,492 --> 01:23:36,126 - He pleaded guilty, and that avoided a trial. 1729 01:23:36,161 --> 01:23:38,178 ♪♪♪ 1730 01:23:38,255 --> 01:23:40,505 Newsreel: When mcarthur was given the opportunity to speak, 1731 01:23:40,516 --> 01:23:42,966 He said, "no," saying he had spoken with his counsel 1732 01:23:43,043 --> 01:23:45,594 And decided to say nothing. 1733 01:23:45,670 --> 01:23:48,472 The crown says the plea pales in comparison to the pain 1734 01:23:48,548 --> 01:23:50,899 He inflicted on his eight innocent victims. 1735 01:23:53,178 --> 01:23:57,439 ♪♪♪ 1736 01:23:57,516 --> 01:24:00,108 Karen: I knew a man who was always energetic, 1737 01:24:00,185 --> 01:24:03,820 Enthusiastic, always eager to get on to the next thing, 1738 01:24:03,897 --> 01:24:05,664 And this is just uh, 1739 01:24:07,209 --> 01:24:09,826 A shuffling, broken man, as he should be. 1740 01:24:09,903 --> 01:24:11,378 As he should be. 1741 01:24:12,956 --> 01:24:14,923 - Mcarthur would kind of shuffle past me. 1742 01:24:16,034 --> 01:24:18,969 I always in the front two rows of the courtroom. 1743 01:24:20,539 --> 01:24:22,222 James: I saw him in court a few times. 1744 01:24:22,299 --> 01:24:25,467 He just looked dishevelled and dilapidated. 1745 01:24:25,544 --> 01:24:27,478 You know, he just looked like a broken man, to me. 1746 01:24:29,807 --> 01:24:32,066 - He looked harmless, but now we know, 1747 01:24:32,142 --> 01:24:33,517 That that doesn't mean anything. 1748 01:24:33,593 --> 01:24:36,320 Nobody looks like a serial killer, necessarily. 1749 01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:40,065 Newsreel: First degree murder carries 1750 01:24:40,076 --> 01:24:41,316 An automatic life sentence 1751 01:24:41,393 --> 01:24:43,693 With no chance of parole for 25 years. 1752 01:24:43,770 --> 01:24:45,862 He will not be eligible for parole 1753 01:24:45,939 --> 01:24:47,790 Until he is at least 91-years-old. 1754 01:24:48,918 --> 01:24:51,576 - In canada, we do not have the death penalty. 1755 01:24:51,587 --> 01:24:53,662 He was sentenced to life in prison, 1756 01:24:53,738 --> 01:24:56,256 Without access to parole for 25 years, 1757 01:24:56,333 --> 01:24:58,500 And that is the harshest sentence 1758 01:24:58,577 --> 01:25:00,836 That you can get in canada. 1759 01:25:00,912 --> 01:25:03,097 ♪♪♪ 1760 01:25:03,173 --> 01:25:05,215 - There are a lot of unanswered questions 1761 01:25:05,250 --> 01:25:07,935 That I'd like to know, in order to share with family members, 1762 01:25:08,011 --> 01:25:11,513 So we understand, as a community, how he, you know, 1763 01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:13,682 Preyed and selected his victims, undetected, 1764 01:25:13,758 --> 01:25:15,600 For as long as he did. 1765 01:25:15,611 --> 01:25:17,894 I have no evidence to believe 1766 01:25:17,929 --> 01:25:20,438 That he is responsible for any more than the eight, 1767 01:25:20,449 --> 01:25:23,117 But it's not saying that I will never stop looking. 1768 01:25:24,286 --> 01:25:27,696 - A man who is responsible for the murders of eight men 1769 01:25:27,772 --> 01:25:29,865 Is exactly where he belongs, 1770 01:25:29,941 --> 01:25:32,709 And I don't believe he will ever get out. 1771 01:25:33,945 --> 01:25:36,588 And to me, that's some closure. 1772 01:25:38,116 --> 01:25:39,174 (metal bars click shut) 1773 01:25:40,827 --> 01:25:43,587 - When we talk about a serial killer like bruce mcarthur, 1774 01:25:43,663 --> 01:25:46,298 Certainly the nature of his crimes indicate 1775 01:25:46,308 --> 01:25:49,977 That he enjoyed having control and power over other people, 1776 01:25:50,053 --> 01:25:51,895 And that seems to fit with his profile. 1777 01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:55,315 Bruce mcarthur lived, for a long time, 1778 01:25:55,392 --> 01:25:57,767 With repressed shame, rage, 1779 01:25:57,802 --> 01:26:00,979 And resentment towards his father, towards society, 1780 01:26:00,990 --> 01:26:03,740 Toward himself, toward the gay community. 1781 01:26:05,810 --> 01:26:08,996 We sometimes think about sexual serial killers 1782 01:26:09,072 --> 01:26:11,582 Motivated by sex itself, 1783 01:26:12,692 --> 01:26:14,877 But the sex often represents power. 1784 01:26:16,029 --> 01:26:17,662 They feel like god, 1785 01:26:17,673 --> 01:26:19,831 Like they have total control over another human being, 1786 01:26:19,842 --> 01:26:22,626 And that power is so seductive, 1787 01:26:22,661 --> 01:26:24,344 It's so tantalizing. 1788 01:26:24,421 --> 01:26:28,131 ♪♪♪ 1789 01:26:28,208 --> 01:26:29,683 Haran: You hear the stories, 1790 01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,352 And you hear how lively and colourful 1791 01:26:32,429 --> 01:26:34,804 These individuals were, and um, 1792 01:26:34,881 --> 01:26:37,015 And I saw myself in that, too. 1793 01:26:37,026 --> 01:26:39,526 If I didn't have the graces of my mother and my sister 1794 01:26:39,603 --> 01:26:41,612 Accepting me for who I am... 1795 01:26:44,182 --> 01:26:46,983 (emotional) I think I could've been one of them. 1796 01:26:47,018 --> 01:26:48,685 Sorry. 1797 01:26:51,731 --> 01:26:53,990 - There's just an incredible sense of victimization, 1798 01:26:54,067 --> 01:26:55,867 From the fact that bruce mcarthur 1799 01:26:55,878 --> 01:26:57,377 Was known in the village. 1800 01:26:57,454 --> 01:26:59,329 People knew him. 1801 01:26:59,406 --> 01:27:01,665 It was horrifying to discover 1802 01:27:01,700 --> 01:27:03,833 That someone who had been part of the community 1803 01:27:03,868 --> 01:27:06,878 Was the one causing one of the worst things 1804 01:27:06,889 --> 01:27:08,847 That has happened to toronto's gay village. 1805 01:27:10,801 --> 01:27:13,218 Do you expect an older man, 1806 01:27:13,229 --> 01:27:14,844 Who is literally a grandfather, 1807 01:27:14,879 --> 01:27:16,846 Who worked as a santa claus, 1808 01:27:16,881 --> 01:27:20,016 To be killing and dismembering men? 1809 01:27:20,093 --> 01:27:21,693 You don't. 1810 01:27:22,905 --> 01:27:24,813 But I think that's what was exposed through this case 1811 01:27:24,889 --> 01:27:27,065 Is that you just never really know. 1812 01:27:27,076 --> 01:27:29,243 ♪♪♪162979

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