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[Greaves] One other thing.And that is the problem of matching.
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- [Siren Wailing]- We should all wear the same shirt.
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- [Bob] I veto that absolutely.- [Greaves Laughs]
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[Bob] Everybody is gonna be sweatinglike pigs out there.
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How do we put on these shirts?
They're gonna be like armor.
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- [Siren Continues]
- Okay. All right. This is Clive Davidson over here.
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He's an assistant cameraman.
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- Phil Parker is our production assistant.- [Siren Continues]
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Uh, Jeff Norwalk is an-
uh, assistant director.
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Uh, Roland Mitchell is nota soundman actually.
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He is a soundman,but he's also an assistant cameraman.
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This is Steve Larner...
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and this is Maria Zaheri.
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And this is the magnificent
Terence McCartney-Filgate.
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I was afraid you may not have got your sync,
so I'm gonna give you a - a handclap.
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- I feel you may not have got it.
- [Man] And who are you?
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- I'm, uh, Sonny Tufts.
- [Laughter]
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Uh, this is, uh, uh, Bill Henderson.
He's an assistant director.
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- This is the illustrious-
- Hello.
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Uh, Robert- Ro-
Uh, is it Rossen or Rosen?
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- Rosen.
- Rosen.
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- And this is the-
- I'm Jewish.
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The lovely, charming Barbara Linden.
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This is Mr. "Kenvin"Fenlon from Canada.
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- [Bob Laughs]- Who is, uh, an assistant director.
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- That's the wrong name, by the way, Phil.
- Kevin Fenlan?
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- No. You said "Kenvin."
- L- Oh.
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- [Bob] "Kenvin."
- Kevin. Kevin. Kevin. Forgive me.
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Forgive me, Doctor. Uh, uh...
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Barbara Linden is, uh,
our script girl and, uh, uh...
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also our makeup and costume lady.
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And this is Scott Brody...
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who is, um, a production assistant.
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All right. So, now,we're clear on the, uh- on the slating.
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- [Bob] That was the first sequenceto hit the cutting room floor.
- Right? You understand that?
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That the sound - the sound person's
gonna do the timing -
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the actual timing, uh, slate.
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[Larner]What good will that do, Bill?
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It -What it will do is it will tie...
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all of the various cameras,
no matter what they're -
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If I start running at the same timeyou could do that by measuring.
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No. But, you see,
they'll begin to go out of sync.
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The various cameras will go
out of sync with each other-
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out of sync in the sense that the roll numbers
will be going out of sync with each other.
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- [Siren Wailing]
- You see? And the time is the thing...
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that locks in all these
disparate roll numbers...
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- into one sequence that has been shot.
- [Siren Stops]
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Well, then this information has somehow
gotta get onto the film.
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No. It doesn't have to get on the filmbecause the sound recordist says, um...
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"Roll 14, 2:30."
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The system of the soundmanannouncing what the time is-
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[Greaves] No. He's made-
No. He's raised an-a very important point.
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No. But - But that is - But that is
much more meaningful in terms of editing...
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than taking this, you know -
this thing here and going... tap.
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"Tail one," you know. "Tail two."
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All right. Wait. Here's the point
he's making, and this is a valid point.
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And that is - See, what we'll do is the -
the first part of each roll will be so slated.
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- That is, will be time slated on the sound.
- [Larner] Yeah. Right.
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All right. But also...
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uh, within the -within the, uh,
intermittent running of the camera -
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That is to say, we stop and start,
we stop and start...
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- we'll just do this kind of slating.
- [Siren Wailing]
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[Siren Continues]
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- [Siren Continues]
- [Horn Honks]
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[Engine Starts]
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[Greaves] Yeah. What we're gonna do is, uh,
we're gonna do a line reading first.
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And then we'll, uh -
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- What is the line reading?
- Well, we just -just -
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I just want to hear you,
you know, go back and forth...
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you know, with the lines, make sure that, uh...
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you know, we've got that under control.
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- Yeah.
- And then after we've done that...
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we'll, uh -we'll
try to work out...
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some kind of action...
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for you to, uh - to go
through physically.
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And, uh -And then we'll
see what the problems -
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You'll play the scene.
Then we'll see what
the problems are.
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Then we'll get into it
increasingly
more on a, uh -
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what, an emotional
and, you know -
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Personal level. You know...
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more the dramatics of the situation.
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Okay. Um, Terry,
I guess you can -
you can start rolling.
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I'm gonna do
a line reading with them.
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[Terry] Yeah.
Who do you want me
to work with on the -
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Um, who you
gonna work with?
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- I'm gonna work with
my own recorder?
- Yeah.
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No. You'll -
You'll work, uh -
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You'll work against
another recorder
actually.
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You don't need to do
any recording of this...
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because, uh, I'm
just gonna do a line
reading of them.
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And there's -
there's no need to -
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[Terry]Which recorder am I going to work against?
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The recorder-
I mean, uh, John here has got -
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- All right.
- Hey. I'm picking up the cops.
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- [Greaves] You're picking up the cops?
- Yeah.
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Are you-
Are you shooting my makeup?
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- Yeah.
- [Man] Want me to hold it for you, Audrey?
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[Greaves]
Okay. Fine. All right.
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- All right. Okay. Let's go.
- [Man #2] I'm having no luck here.
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Is there any way
you can hold it
steady for a while?
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[Bob] We're rolling
when you get it.
When you finish -
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[Greaves]Okay. Let's- Let's run 'em.
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- [Freddie] Alice.
- No.
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- Alice, wait a minute. Hey, come on.
- No, no, no.
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Come on, sport.What's the matter with you?
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Just how stupid do you think I am?
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For Christ's sake,
tell me what the matter is.
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You know perfectly well
what the problem is.
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Now come on.Quit beating around the bush.
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[Laughs]
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Oh, God.
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- What's so funny?
- Oh, Freddie, you're a very funny man.
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You know,you've really got me foxed. Really.
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Why don't you just go away.
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Just get out of my life permanently,
Freddie.
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Hey. Quit it. Stop acting.
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- Ow.
- Don't you try and touch me, Freddie.
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You're really behaving quite impossibly.
I'm not a mind reader.
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I wish I were.
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I wish I knew what goes on
in that screwy little brain of yours...
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which makes you thinkthat everyone else is stupid except you.
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[Freddie] Now look. For the last time,will you tell me what's going on?
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Come on.
Tell me what's bugging you.
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No.
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[Sighs]
Ah, you tell me, Freddie, what -
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who - or rather, what's bothering you,
what's bugging you.
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[Freddie]Alice, you're talking in circles.
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Am I really, Freddie?
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Just how much of a phony can you be?
[Groans]
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I don't have to stand hereand listen to this.
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- You don't even have the courtesyto tell me what's happening.
- I'm a woman.
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- And?
- I'm a woman, Freddie. I'm not a fool.
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I will not stand around and watchwhile you play your little games.
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- What games?
- Do you think I'm a fool, Freddie?
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I saw him, and I saw you.
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- Him?
- Him. Yes. That crazy faggot
which everybody knows about.
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Oh, come on. What are you?Some kind of nut or something?
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Don't play naive with me, Freddie.
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I've put up withall your little escapades...
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and, you know, I'vejust about had it.
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You've completely strained
my patience on that score.
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I saw you eyeing him,
and I saw him eyeing you. God.
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- You saw me eyeing him?
- Yes.
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The kid smiled at me. I smiled back. What doyou want to do? Nail me to the cross for that?
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A cross is too good for you, Freddie.
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Oh, wow. Now look.
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You didn't see
what you thought you saw.
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- Did you hear me?
- Get your hands off me, Freddie.
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[Freddie] All right. If you want to be
paranoidal about the whole thing.
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[Chuckles] Sure I want to beparanoidal about the whole thing.
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And about all those other thingsthat you've been involved with.
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You know, likeJack and Timmy.
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- And Mr. Handsome.
- Look, I told you the truth about this morning.
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But if you're gonna flog me with the pastfor the rest of our lives, then where are we?
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I don't know where you're at, mister.
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I just know that I want you
to get out of my life.
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When we get back to the apartment,
one of us has to leave.
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Hey, baby.
I can't let you do that.
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Now I know why
we haven't had any children...
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despite the talk about
"wait until we're ready."
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Freddie, you really had me fooled.
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Very fooled into thinking
you could change.
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That you could actually change.
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- [Bob] Bill.
- Yeah.
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- I need to call for a slate.
- Okay.
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This is, uh, tail slate
for camera...
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"B" and camera "C."
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If I was born a - If was born a thousand
years from now, and just me - me -
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I could be the same person, though I would
not be an American, I might not be a Jew...
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I might not be, you know,
whatever I am.
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But I would still be me, and I would
have to be able to define those qualities.
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I'm me, what I am to other people
and how I relate to them and how I am.
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- And the karma that comes out of me.
That's who I am. That really is who I am.
- Seems you have so many skins...
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- you never know whether you're into
your real self or into one of your skins.
- Oh, you don't know who she is.
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You know who you are now because you're
on Ektachrome -What are you shooting?
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- [Bob] Ektachrome commercial.
- Ektachrome commercial.
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And your voice is being recorded on tape.
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- Say you know -
- [Greaves] Wait a minute.What's going on here? What are you doing?
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You will never, ever-
Put the microphone up here.
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- [Greaves] What's happening?
- You will never, ever
have any more doubt who you are.
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- [Chattering]
- You will always know.
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Jonathan, you're copping out.
You're copping out.
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All right. We're gonna do -
No. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
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Just a moment. Please.
We're gonna do this scene of, uh - Susan.
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And, John, could you go down there
down by the statue?
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- [Greaves] Four?- [Bob] Four. She's got it on there. Four.
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[Bob]
Bing. That was a slate.
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- You did it.
- [Terry] I like doing it, 'cause it'll let melook at your face again.
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You head slated it.
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[Terry]Which is why I'm tail slating it.
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[Bob]Whoo.! Whoo.!
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[Greaves] Uh, Steve. Steve.Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Steve.
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Steve, wait a minute. Let's- Let-
I don't care about getting in the cloister.
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- Let's get the bloody cloister.
- I can't hold the sky.
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- The sky. Not the cloister.
- So I have to be wide open -
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I have to be so open for them that -
You know, that's f/11 up there.
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- 'Cause we can't -The tripod legs.
- The damn tripod leg is busted.
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- [Greaves] They won't extend?
- [Bob] Yes. That's why. That's why.
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[Greaves]
Well, then I'm afraid the -
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the best thing to do would be
to put the bloody thing on your shoulder.
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[Larner]
Two magazine cases with a spreader?
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- [Chattering]- [Terry] Three magazine cases with a spreader.
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[Greaves]Just take it easy a moment. Uh-
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- [Man] All right.- [Greaves] What's happening?
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- [Bob] We're gonna fix it.- [Chattering]
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Okay.
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But the - the thing that distresses me, Steve -
We still haven't solved the problem.
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Terry is looking right into your lens.
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And I don't want him looking in your lens.
Not on this - this, uh -
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- Well, Terry, can you -
- Well, then I won't shoot then.
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- Well, I'll shoot the bloody thing. I mean, hell.
- [Terry] Where would you like me to move?
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- I'm happy to move.
- He'll move.
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I'll move. Look into my lens and tell me,Greaves, what's in your heart.
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- Come on. Now tell me the truth.
- Tell him. Tell. Now.
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What's in your mind? Tell me your wishes,and they'll be carried out.
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Cut. I'm waving my magic wand.
Hey, listen.
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- Well, he - he hasn't -
- [Bob] He's running up all that film.
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- Has he got any-
- He's wasting it. Ninety feet.You know how much that's gonna cost?
219
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- You know you're wasting my film?
- That's like $25.
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- Hey, listen.
- Twenty-five dollars.
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- Maybe I can, uh -
- Do your Shakespeare.
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- [Greaves] Shall I do my impersonationof Gielgud doing-
- Quick. Quickly.
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[Sniffs, Imitates Gielgud]
Oh, what a rogue and peasant slave am I!
224
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[Sniffs]
Is it not monstrous that this player here...
225
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could but in a fiction,
in a dream of passion -
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[Sniffs]
Force his soul so to his own conceit -
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- [Sniffs]
That from her working all his visage waned -
- [Cheering, Applause]
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- [Bob] Beautiful.- [Man Whistles]
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Okay. All right. Look.Uh, let's-let's, uh-
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Are those the same, uh, glasses
that you had the other day?
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Uh, yeah.
Why don't we get rid of those, eh?
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Um, now, um -
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- In the last time that we worked on this -
- Mm-hmm.
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It seemed to me that, uh...
235
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not enough of your, uh, aggression...
236
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not enough of your virility, you know,
was coming through.
237
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That is to say, uh, there's a great deal of-
You know, it was very moving.
238
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You were very emotionally involved,
you know, with her...
239
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but, uh, it seemed that
we could use other colors...
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as well as that particular color of, you know,
your-your warm feelings toward her.
241
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Let's - Let's also have the areas where you're
aggressively, you know, related toward her.
242
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Do you know what I mean?
Um, there - there are - there are...
243
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points in the dialogue where she's actually,
you know, sniffing your balls...
244
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and, uh - and you've gotta stand up
for your own, you know, rights in relation to her.
245
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And I didn't feel that there was enough,
you know, muscle there, enough strength.
246
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- You know what I mean?
- Yeah.
247
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So let's - let's, uh -
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Let's- Let's run it downand see if we can, uh...
249
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get some more of those colors inas well as the other thing...
250
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which was beautiful, Frank,that you got before.
251
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Okay? I mean, l- I don't mean to,you know, throw that away at all. No.
252
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I mean, we'll keep that.
But add to that these other colors. Okay?
253
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All right. Let's try it from -
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Uh, you can't go outside of the, uh -
the shaded area.
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[Greaves]Okay. Okay. Fine. Let's go.
256
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Action.
257
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Now I know why
you don't want to have any children...
258
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despite the talk about
"wait until we're ready."
259
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Oh, wow, you really
had me fooled, Freddie...
260
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to even think that you could change.
261
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I want you to believe in me.
262
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Do you understand that?
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You've killed one of my babies
right after another...
264
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and you want me to believe in you?
265
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Don't you think
that I want to have children too?
266
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You've ruined my health because you're sick,
but I will not let you destroy me.
267
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[Airplane Passing Overhead]
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The way we've been making love lately-
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We'll never have
any children like that, Freddie.
270
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The whole thing is so unnatural.
271
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- Alice -
- Because every time you make love to me...
272
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I feel as though I've been raped.
273
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- [Sighs]Jesus Christ almighty.
- I don't know who wouldn't be frigid...
274
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the way you come on
like some Nazi storm trooper.
275
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[Sighs]
276
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[Airplane Passing Overhead]
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[Greaves] All right. Look, uh, Frank,what I'm trying to get you to do-
278
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It's horrible. Oh, my God.
It's so horrible!
279
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- No. Take it easy. Take it easy.
- Jesus Christ.
280
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[Henderson]Well, the point in all this, I think...
281
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is the fact that maybe something elseshould be done than what is being done.
282
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[Jonathan]Don't you see? None of this is designed to-
283
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to denigrate any aspectof which this film is-
284
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'Cause we don't have the rightto do that, man. It's this guy's film.
285
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Bill has made us actors in the filmby including us in the filming.
286
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- Is that why you consider-
- Exactly.
287
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- [Jonathan] Exactly.
- But we are acting without him in control.
288
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- [Bob] That's true.- [Henderson] Why, for example,should there not be-
289
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[Terry] 'Cause there's some doubtas to what this all-he's putting on.
290
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[Henderson]A better-better actors?
291
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[Woman] If they were better,
then I think that would be bad then.
292
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- [Jonathan] No, but it doesn't make any difference.
- I'm trying to take his objection and...
293
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if it is invalid, show why.
294
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I mean, it - starting from this point -
starting from this standpoint you could say...
295
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"Let's get a better script.
Let's improve the script for tomorrow.
296
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- Let's get some better actors."
- [Jonathan] Right.
297
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- "Let's get some really socko actors."
- [Bob] But we realize that it doesn't matter.
298
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- All right. Now, why doesn't it matter?
- [Jonathan] It doesn't matter because in life-
299
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- Right.
- In life, some of us are good actors,and some of us are bad actors.
300
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Some-Some of us, you know-
301
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- Some women can- can say-
- [Man] Is life acting then?
302
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- [Jonathan] Well, life is a-life for most people-
- [Man] Freddie- Freddie-
303
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- [Bob] Wait a second.
- Life for most people is the attempt...
304
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- to give with whatever qualities they have -
- [Bell Rings]
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Real meaning to, um -
306
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to - to thoughts and lines that
they may not really understand.
307
00:17:20,806 --> 00:17:23,070
When a guy says"You're cutting my balls off"...
308
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he can't possibly be sayingwhat he really thinks.
309
00:17:25,411 --> 00:17:28,141
It's not in him to say what he really thinks.He is acting.
310
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What could be more elemental than saying,
"Dear, you are cutting my balls"?
311
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[Jonathan] Because everybody says it in differentbelievable-in different ways ofbelievability.
312
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But when you cut it down
to this nitty-gritty...
313
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of"You are cutting my balls,"
you can't get it down much further.
314
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- [Greaves] Quiet, please.- [Man] Quiet.
315
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- [Greaves] Action.
- From where?
316
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Uh, take it from the top.Uh, take it from the top.
317
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Alice.
318
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No.
319
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- Alice, wait a minute.
- Uh, let's-let's- Hold that.
320
00:18:04,416 --> 00:18:09,581
Uh, you've changed your positions.
Let's take it around this way, okay?
321
00:18:09,655 --> 00:18:13,352
You were standing here.
Okay. Fine.
322
00:18:13,425 --> 00:18:15,552
All right. Now, we're not moving.
Is that it?
323
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No. Unfortunately.
324
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[Freddie]Alice.
325
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[Sighs]
No.
326
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[Chattering]
327
00:18:31,877 --> 00:18:33,868
Oh, wow. Alice, what's the matter?
328
00:18:36,648 --> 00:18:40,379
You know perfectly well
what is the matter, Freddie.
329
00:18:41,453 --> 00:18:44,445
[Mumbles]
Uh -
330
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Come on, sport.
331
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- Just how stupid do you think I am, Freddie?
- [Airplane Passing Overhead]
332
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You know, I don't have to
stand here and listen to this.
333
00:18:58,403 --> 00:19:01,270
You don't even have the courtesy
to tell me what's going on.
334
00:19:01,340 --> 00:19:03,274
[Laughter]
335
00:19:03,342 --> 00:19:06,641
[Greaves] Listen. For Christ's sake,would you give us a break?
336
00:19:09,648 --> 00:19:12,947
- I'm a woman, Freddie.
- [Horn Honks]
337
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[Jonathan]So what difference does it make?
338
00:19:15,087 --> 00:19:18,079
[Larner] It makes an enormousamount of difference because in one thing...
339
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you're talking about,uh, an irreducible truth...
340
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and in another instance you might betalking about some sort of fantasy, uh, whereby-
341
00:19:26,331 --> 00:19:28,356
What's an irreducible truth?
342
00:19:28,433 --> 00:19:30,367
Uh, "You're cutting my balls" or whatever.
343
00:19:30,435 --> 00:19:32,733
Why? Do people really have to say that?
344
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- Is it necessary to say that?
- Yes. They have to say that.
345
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- 'Cause once -
- But is it necessary that they have to feel that way?
346
00:19:39,311 --> 00:19:41,438
I mean, why is it an irreducible truth?
347
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[Jonathan]But don't you see? The man says-
348
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The man says this to his wife.
349
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That's part of his role too, you know.
As long as he can say this to his wife.
350
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She won't understand what the hell he's saying.
She'll hear, "You cut my balls."
351
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Then she gives out with the response
that was written into her part in life.
352
00:19:56,562 --> 00:20:00,726
She says, "Well, maybe that's because
you're just a bad," you know, this.
353
00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:02,994
"Maybe that's just because
you're an ineffectual little -"
354
00:20:03,068 --> 00:20:05,093
- [Larner] The fact that you're saying that-
- See?
355
00:20:05,170 --> 00:20:07,968
- It seems to me that you'replaying a part in saying that.
- Oh.
356
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,373
You're falling into a trap there that the-
357
00:20:11,443 --> 00:20:15,777
[Jonathan] Oh, you mean that would not bethe response of- of any given woman...
358
00:20:15,847 --> 00:20:18,315
to that accusation by any given man?
359
00:20:18,383 --> 00:20:23,480
What else would she say? Would she say,"Yes. You know, you're right. I love to do it."
360
00:20:23,555 --> 00:20:25,546
I did it to my first three husbands too.
361
00:20:25,624 --> 00:20:28,058
If roles - If roles are to be played...
362
00:20:28,126 --> 00:20:31,152
and if life is - is role-playing...
363
00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:33,323
uh, which is, of course,
the whole big bag -
364
00:20:33,398 --> 00:20:37,300
you know, the Moreno people
can explain more knowledgeably than any of us.
365
00:20:37,369 --> 00:20:39,633
- [Bell Rings]
- Um -
366
00:20:39,705 --> 00:20:43,471
This is precisely the question I was asking.
What -What then -
367
00:20:43,542 --> 00:20:45,601
not to get this off too far-
368
00:20:45,677 --> 00:20:49,841
- What then is the difference
between an actor playing a role -
- [Bell Rings]
369
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And playing an imposed role -
a role that's imposed from without -
370
00:20:54,453 --> 00:20:56,444
and a person who is a nonactor-
371
00:20:56,521 --> 00:21:00,355
That is to say a person who's not employedas an actor- or not asked to do something...
372
00:21:00,425 --> 00:21:02,620
for a camera or something like that-
373
00:21:02,694 --> 00:21:05,356
playing a role whichhe thinks is imposed on him...
374
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from whatever psychological needhe might have at this moment.
375
00:21:08,634 --> 00:21:10,864
Um -
376
00:21:10,936 --> 00:21:13,370
All right. So -
377
00:21:13,438 --> 00:21:17,306
What we're doing now -
We're gonna do another psychodrama.
378
00:21:17,376 --> 00:21:20,311
And that psychodrama's gonna be
what exactly?
379
00:21:20,379 --> 00:21:22,370
[Woman]
Freddie confronting Freddie.
380
00:21:22,447 --> 00:21:24,381
- The strong Freddie -
- [Frank] Passive and -
381
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- confronting the weak Freddie.
- [Frank] Yeah. Right. Right.
382
00:21:27,085 --> 00:21:30,316
- The strong Freddie
confronting the weak Freddie.
- Confronting the weak Freddie.
383
00:21:30,389 --> 00:21:34,485
See, the - the important thing is, uh,
as I said, before you start...
384
00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:38,620
is masculinity, uh, and virility...
385
00:21:38,697 --> 00:21:43,930
as opposed to, uh, you know,
raw aggression and raw hostility.
386
00:21:44,002 --> 00:21:46,027
- Do you know what I mean, Frank?
- Yes, I do.
387
00:21:46,104 --> 00:21:49,699
The way you take -The way you are
in full command of the situation...
388
00:21:49,775 --> 00:21:53,006
it's no longer necessary for you to be,
you know, aggressive.
389
00:21:53,078 --> 00:21:55,012
- Right.
- You know, in relation to it.
390
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,014
- Okay.
- Now, uh...
391
00:21:57,082 --> 00:21:59,277
we should be, I think,
visually opposite each other...
392
00:21:59,351 --> 00:22:03,253
- but do you want us down or up or-
- [Greaves] Well, uh, you could go down there...
393
00:22:03,322 --> 00:22:05,756
or if you- Yeah.
394
00:22:13,465 --> 00:22:16,025
Sy, you'll have to get out of the way,my dear man.
395
00:22:16,101 --> 00:22:19,127
[Terry] He's out there intentionally.I've got to have him in the shot.
396
00:22:19,204 --> 00:22:21,172
[Greaves]Well, it's all right.
397
00:22:22,174 --> 00:22:24,404
- [Vehicle Passing]- [Freddie] Well, why don't you-
398
00:22:24,476 --> 00:22:27,707
Why don't you walk overto that wall over there andjump off?
399
00:22:28,747 --> 00:22:32,706
- I haven't got the strength.
- Oh, bullshit. Try. Want me to help you?
400
00:22:37,289 --> 00:22:39,314
You want to fight me?
Let's fight.
401
00:22:41,493 --> 00:22:43,984
- Let's fight.
- What do you want to do? Fight?
402
00:22:44,062 --> 00:22:46,496
- Yeah.
- You want to wrestle?
403
00:22:46,565 --> 00:22:48,556
Let's fight.
404
00:22:48,633 --> 00:22:50,931
[Chuckles]
405
00:22:51,002 --> 00:22:52,993
If you're so strong, fight.
406
00:22:54,139 --> 00:22:56,937
- [Chuckles]
- What are you laughing at?
407
00:22:57,008 --> 00:23:01,206
I'm laughing at you. You're struggling
to get free, and you can't get free.
408
00:23:01,279 --> 00:23:04,112
You want to move,
and you can't move.
409
00:23:07,486 --> 00:23:10,580
I feel like I'm taking unfair advantage of you
'cause you're off-balance.
410
00:23:10,655 --> 00:23:12,646
It's gonna be so easy. Look.
411
00:23:12,724 --> 00:23:14,715
[Greaves]Not that way.
412
00:23:15,927 --> 00:23:17,952
Which fucking way?
413
00:23:18,029 --> 00:23:20,020
[Chuckles]
Jesus Chri -
414
00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:38,383
- I'll win.
- [Laughs]
415
00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:41,078
- I'll win.
- Oh, yeah?
416
00:23:50,695 --> 00:23:52,720
You don't fight very hard, do ya?
417
00:23:52,798 --> 00:23:54,789
Fight harder.
418
00:23:56,301 --> 00:23:58,292
Fight harder.
419
00:23:58,370 --> 00:24:01,533
Fight harder. Go on. Fight harder.
Fight harder. Go on.
420
00:24:01,606 --> 00:24:04,074
Go ahead. Go ahead.
421
00:24:04,142 --> 00:24:07,009
[Laughs]
Oh, come on.
422
00:24:07,078 --> 00:24:09,069
Come on.
423
00:24:13,952 --> 00:24:17,581
- If you really live -
- Shh.
424
00:24:17,656 --> 00:24:19,749
You'll go -
[Muffled]
425
00:24:19,825 --> 00:24:22,089
- And do something with your-
- You what?
426
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,186
If you really live, you'll go get Aliceand do something with her.
427
00:24:25,263 --> 00:24:27,731
Otherwise I live.
Otherwise I win.
428
00:24:31,169 --> 00:24:35,105
- No. Shut up.
- You can fight me a million times, and I'll always win.
429
00:24:35,173 --> 00:24:37,539
- Shut up. Shut up.
- I'll always win.
430
00:24:37,609 --> 00:24:42,273
Look how strong I am. You just -You just
play with me. You don't fight. You never kill me.
431
00:24:44,416 --> 00:24:46,475
You think you do, but you don't.
432
00:24:50,222 --> 00:24:53,055
You think you've won, right?
433
00:24:53,124 --> 00:24:55,115
Don't you?
434
00:24:57,262 --> 00:24:59,822
[Greaves]Cut.
435
00:25:00,532 --> 00:25:03,524
- [Greaves] Let's, uh-
- [Jonathan] Gotta slate these.
436
00:25:03,602 --> 00:25:07,038
[Greaves]Let's try and, uh- Let's-
437
00:25:07,105 --> 00:25:10,939
Marcia, you want to get up?Here. Watch out for your transmitter.
438
00:25:11,009 --> 00:25:13,273
- Oh. Okay. Um -
- [Chattering]
439
00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:15,370
[Terry]Someone give me another sync start.
440
00:25:15,447 --> 00:25:17,813
Marcia was working very intimately,
and she was contacting -
441
00:25:17,883 --> 00:25:22,081
- [Terry] Second start.
- She hit my- She hit dead on
the thing that I was working on.
442
00:25:22,153 --> 00:25:24,144
It was like an arrow went -
[Clicks Tongue]
443
00:25:24,222 --> 00:25:26,656
You know, it was like -
And that -
444
00:25:26,725 --> 00:25:31,025
I think having, um, explored...
445
00:25:31,096 --> 00:25:33,656
this whole thing in depth...
446
00:25:33,732 --> 00:25:38,032
uh, through the agency
of psychodrama...
447
00:25:38,103 --> 00:25:41,834
uh, it would be very interesting now
to return to the scene.
448
00:25:41,907 --> 00:25:44,967
I was talking to Marcia about this.
Return to the scene...
449
00:25:45,043 --> 00:25:48,570
uh, and, uh, see what new...
450
00:25:48,647 --> 00:25:54,586
uh, qualitative values have been added
to your characterizations...
451
00:25:54,653 --> 00:25:58,714
as a result of the removal
of certain blocks...
452
00:25:58,790 --> 00:26:02,191
and the - the increase of certain, uh...
453
00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:05,627
bases of empathy
that you now have for each other.
454
00:26:05,697 --> 00:26:08,188
Uh, I was wondering whether or not...
455
00:26:08,266 --> 00:26:13,101
uh, the - the conflict
of the two characters would be...
456
00:26:13,171 --> 00:26:15,162
uh, more interestingly-
457
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,174
- Different dimensions.
- Yeah.
458
00:26:17,242 --> 00:26:20,109
Illuminated. Do you know what I mean?
So, what we're doing now...
459
00:26:20,178 --> 00:26:23,306
- is we're going from -
- [Frank] Improvisation to the scene.
460
00:26:23,381 --> 00:26:25,508
Improvisation to the scene.
461
00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:28,712
Well, uh, we're gonna start on the scene,and then we're gonna use-
462
00:26:28,787 --> 00:26:33,451
We're gonna go from psychodrama-
from reality to the reality of the scene, you see?
463
00:26:33,525 --> 00:26:36,255
- Right.
- And see how and if...
464
00:26:36,328 --> 00:26:38,489
they can in fact, you know,feed each other.
465
00:26:38,563 --> 00:26:40,554
You know what I mean?
466
00:26:40,632 --> 00:26:43,726
- [Terry] Slate. Slate.
- [Jonathan] Slate for camera "B."
467
00:26:44,869 --> 00:26:47,269
- [Larner] Tail slate.
- Slate on this one here.
468
00:26:47,339 --> 00:26:51,639
[All Talking At Once]
469
00:26:55,347 --> 00:26:57,315
No. This -This is proceeding very well.
470
00:26:57,382 --> 00:26:59,509
Look. This is your first, you know,
go on this.
471
00:26:59,584 --> 00:27:01,677
And let's not have any, uh, neuroticism.
472
00:27:01,753 --> 00:27:05,780
This was -was very, very, very effective.
You know, very effective.
473
00:27:05,857 --> 00:27:07,848
Uh, it looks beautiful
seeing you come down.
474
00:27:07,926 --> 00:27:11,225
I mean, it's just fantastic. And when
you come down there, you had moments...
475
00:27:11,296 --> 00:27:14,356
you know, of emotional reality,
you know, going for yourself.
476
00:27:14,432 --> 00:27:17,731
And the important thing is not to panic.
There's no reason to panic at all.
477
00:27:17,802 --> 00:27:21,203
I mean, just take your time
and, you know, feel your way through it.
478
00:27:21,272 --> 00:27:24,730
We've got all the time in the world.
You know, if you want to wait...
479
00:27:24,809 --> 00:27:28,472
an extra two or three seconds
and, you know, organize your faculties -
480
00:27:28,546 --> 00:27:31,208
- Right.
- Your emotional motors and various other things...
481
00:27:31,282 --> 00:27:34,615
take that time, you know,
because we -we can look at -
482
00:27:34,686 --> 00:27:37,177
Both of you are very attractive.
We can look at you...
483
00:27:37,255 --> 00:27:39,223
you know, while you -
while you're thinking...
484
00:27:39,290 --> 00:27:42,691
while you try and arrive
at some kind of reality for yourself.
485
00:27:42,761 --> 00:27:44,729
- What?
- Yeah. I felt we rushed it and, like -
486
00:27:44,796 --> 00:27:47,424
- This all feels so -
- Yeah. All right. All right. I mean -
487
00:27:47,499 --> 00:27:50,366
There's no need for that.
There's no need for rushing at all.
488
00:27:50,435 --> 00:27:53,370
I mean, take your time. Okay?
489
00:27:53,438 --> 00:27:56,635
- Very good.
- All right? Let's do it another-Take two.
490
00:27:56,708 --> 00:27:59,006
Take two. Take two of take two.
491
00:27:59,077 --> 00:28:02,478
You want to check that and see where
you're going again? 'Cause we went off the -
492
00:28:02,547 --> 00:28:04,811
- [Chattering]
- Let's just check the script.
493
00:28:04,883 --> 00:28:07,215
Fine. Where's the script?
Can I have the script, Barbara?
494
00:28:07,285 --> 00:28:09,219
- [Jonathan] Six.
- Six.
495
00:28:09,287 --> 00:28:12,848
All right. Here we go.
All right. Stand by.
496
00:28:12,924 --> 00:28:16,360
Quiet, please. All right. Action.
497
00:28:17,429 --> 00:28:19,454
Action.
498
00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:21,465
- [Freddie] Hey, Alice.- No.
499
00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:23,125
- Come on, Alice.
- No.
500
00:28:23,201 --> 00:28:26,068
Come on, sport.Just wait a minute. Come here.
501
00:28:26,137 --> 00:28:29,800
What the hell's the matter with you?
For Christ's sake, tell me what the matter is.
502
00:28:29,874 --> 00:28:31,933
Come here.
503
00:28:32,010 --> 00:28:34,706
I don't understand what's going on.
Come here.
504
00:28:34,779 --> 00:28:37,270
Freddie, get away from me. Please.
505
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:42,145
- Just how stupid do you think I am?
- Come on. Cut out the double-talk.
506
00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:44,211
Come on!
507
00:28:46,324 --> 00:28:48,315
[Panting]
508
00:28:50,862 --> 00:28:53,763
Freddie, just how stupid
do you think I am?
509
00:28:57,836 --> 00:29:00,669
[Sighs]
I don't know what you're talking about.
510
00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:03,640
You know perfectly well
what I'm talking about.
511
00:29:04,676 --> 00:29:06,803
Well, go ahead. Tell me.
512
00:29:08,113 --> 00:29:10,707
Lookit. I'm not a mind reader.
513
00:29:10,782 --> 00:29:14,912
[Sighs]
Freddie, I wish I were a mind reader.
514
00:29:14,986 --> 00:29:20,652
Perhaps I could... tell what's going on
in that screwy little mind of yours.
515
00:29:20,725 --> 00:29:25,094
What makes you think that everyone
is so stupid and you're so smart?
516
00:29:34,005 --> 00:29:37,031
- You're talking in circles, Alice.
- Am I really, Freddie?
517
00:29:39,611 --> 00:29:42,512
Just how much
of a phony are you anyway?
518
00:29:45,683 --> 00:29:47,674
Don't touch me.
519
00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:57,117
Please tell me what's going on.
520
00:30:01,132 --> 00:30:03,066
Freddie...
521
00:30:03,134 --> 00:30:07,195
why don't you just
get out of my life permanently.
522
00:30:07,272 --> 00:30:09,206
Now quit it. Stop acting.
523
00:30:09,274 --> 00:30:11,265
Don't touch me.
524
00:30:23,421 --> 00:30:26,049
Freddie, get your hands off me. Please.
525
00:30:26,124 --> 00:30:29,321
And don't ever touch me again.
526
00:30:29,394 --> 00:30:31,954
- Ever.
- All right. What have I done?
527
00:30:32,030 --> 00:30:34,555
You know perfectly well.
528
00:30:34,632 --> 00:30:37,533
I saw him, and I saw you -
529
00:30:37,602 --> 00:30:40,571
both of you -
at the altar, eyeing each other.
530
00:30:44,309 --> 00:30:46,300
Him.
531
00:30:46,377 --> 00:30:50,575
Yes. Him. Him. That crazy little faggot
that half the church knows about.
532
00:30:50,648 --> 00:30:52,639
What are you? Some kind of a nut?
533
00:30:54,085 --> 00:30:56,053
Don't play naive with me, Freddie.
534
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,146
I'm not playing naive.
What do you think you saw?
535
00:30:59,224 --> 00:31:04,685
I've put up with all your escapades,
and I'm going to put an end to it.
536
00:31:04,762 --> 00:31:08,459
- You've just about strained my patience
on that score, man.
- I don't know what you thought you saw...
537
00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:10,524
but you didn't see anything this morning.
538
00:31:11,603 --> 00:31:14,094
You mean I didn't see
both of you eyeing each other?
539
00:31:14,172 --> 00:31:17,835
That kid smiled at me, and I smiled back.
What do you want to do?
540
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:21,345
- Nail me to the cross for that?
- A cross is too good for you, Freddie.
541
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,614
Wow.
542
00:31:25,650 --> 00:31:27,584
[Man]Slate.
543
00:31:29,787 --> 00:31:32,813
- [Greaves] Cut.- [Man] Slate.
544
00:31:32,891 --> 00:31:35,587
- [Man] Slate. Uh -
- Slate.
545
00:31:35,660 --> 00:31:38,026
- [Greaves] Stop a moment.
- [Bob] Seven.
546
00:31:38,096 --> 00:31:40,826
- [Jonathan] Or is it eight?- [Greaves] The work will go on.
547
00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:42,890
[Bob]Terry's still rolling.
548
00:31:42,967 --> 00:31:44,935
[Greaves]All right. Let's go on.
549
00:31:45,003 --> 00:31:47,938
- [Woman] Rolling. Speed.- [Chattering]
550
00:31:48,006 --> 00:31:52,340
- [Terry] All right. Go ahead.- [Woman] Camera roll 4X.
551
00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:54,537
Would you turn to her and just, you know -
552
00:31:54,612 --> 00:31:58,139
- If somebody out there in the audienceis now looking at you, it does-
- Right.
553
00:31:58,216 --> 00:32:00,150
And you now say something.
554
00:32:00,218 --> 00:32:02,152
- [Bob] Okay.- [Larner] Listen. L-
555
00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:04,654
- [Jonathan] Need to sign this as 4X?- [Larner] We got that.
556
00:32:04,722 --> 00:32:06,212
[Jonathan]Then we're on.
557
00:32:06,291 --> 00:32:10,193
This morning he said- You know how he oftensays these things with his tongue in his cheek?
558
00:32:10,261 --> 00:32:13,094
- He said, "Good morning. Who am I?" You see?
- Mm-hmm.
559
00:32:13,164 --> 00:32:17,032
- [Bob] Right.
- That's really very interesting,
and I don't judge it or anything like that.
560
00:32:17,101 --> 00:32:20,332
I just say it's very interesting, because
whatever a man is, is extremely interesting.
561
00:32:20,405 --> 00:32:25,172
And it occurred to me the other day
that in this case - right here -
562
00:32:25,243 --> 00:32:28,007
Bill is a man with a medium...
563
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,047
but who lacks an identity.
564
00:32:30,114 --> 00:32:32,674
We are people with identities.
At least right now.
565
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:34,684
In relation to this thing.
But without a medium.
566
00:32:34,752 --> 00:32:38,188
- [Terry] You're seizing the medium.
- We are seizing the medium,
like they seized Channel 13.
567
00:32:38,256 --> 00:32:40,850
- [Woman] That's a rape.
- It isn't a rape. It's a political -
568
00:32:40,925 --> 00:32:42,859
- It's a -
- [Woman] Coup.
569
00:32:42,927 --> 00:32:45,794
It's a coup. It's an artistic -
It's not a coup. We're giving it back.
570
00:32:45,863 --> 00:32:48,696
- [Bob] We're giving it back to him.
- We're giving it back. That's right.
571
00:32:48,766 --> 00:32:51,564
It would only be rape if we tookthis footage to the laboratory...
572
00:32:51,636 --> 00:32:54,662
and developed it ourselvesand put out a film, you know.
573
00:32:54,739 --> 00:32:58,300
- [Terry] Ran it back to back.- [Bob] Right. Ran it back to backwithout Bill's consent.
574
00:32:58,376 --> 00:33:02,278
We are merely liberating the medium
to impose our own identities on film.
575
00:33:02,347 --> 00:33:04,281
Because film is the thing.
Talk's nothin'.
576
00:33:04,349 --> 00:33:08,649
Now, the people - the people out there
in the audience, you know -
577
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,713
This is without, you know - I mean,
they don't know -This never happened before.
578
00:33:12,790 --> 00:33:16,191
I mean, this is happening -
Not only is it happening to us at this moment...
579
00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:19,923
but every time it gets played in the theater
it's gonna happen to them.
580
00:33:19,998 --> 00:33:24,526
- You know?
- You're saying, like, the method of this film
reflects the mechanics of life.
581
00:33:24,602 --> 00:33:27,833
- That's right. Exactly.
- [Jonathan] And therefore this issomething other than a film...
582
00:33:27,905 --> 00:33:32,865
because a film traditionally exists where a guysays, "I'm going to make a film about- "
583
00:33:32,944 --> 00:33:36,038
And he does it.
But here's a film that exists as it exists.
584
00:33:36,114 --> 00:33:38,309
When it's shown -
if it's ever made and shown -
585
00:33:38,383 --> 00:33:43,548
it will - it will take its final form precisely
because an indeterminate action took place in it...
586
00:33:43,621 --> 00:33:46,215
and altered it and changed it
and made it something -
587
00:33:46,290 --> 00:33:49,225
[Bob] Yeah. Something else happened.I have something I want to say.
588
00:33:49,293 --> 00:33:52,194
The thing is -
The thing is it's - it's -
589
00:33:52,263 --> 00:33:54,663
We find ourselves
in a very, very strange situation.
590
00:33:54,732 --> 00:33:57,929
- You know? And -And -
- [Terry] Kill the air-conditioner.
591
00:33:58,002 --> 00:34:00,493
It's a question of precedent. You know.
592
00:34:00,571 --> 00:34:04,063
Nobody who got into the, you know -
593
00:34:04,142 --> 00:34:06,269
onto the crew here had any idea.
594
00:34:06,344 --> 00:34:10,781
We were put into a completely
unprecedented situation.
595
00:34:10,848 --> 00:34:14,375
I don't think anybody
has ever made a film before...
596
00:34:14,452 --> 00:34:17,580
- where the crew decided to do this.
- [Man] Yeah.
597
00:34:17,655 --> 00:34:20,385
And we didn't really even decide.
It just happened that way.
598
00:34:20,458 --> 00:34:23,427
And I don't think this has ever
happened before. You know?
599
00:34:23,494 --> 00:34:25,689
It's completely without precedent.
600
00:34:25,763 --> 00:34:29,665
And the thing is that it's -
that - that -
601
00:34:29,734 --> 00:34:33,670
that most people consider that -
that life is -
602
00:34:33,738 --> 00:34:37,105
they live their lives filled with precedents,
you know?
603
00:34:37,175 --> 00:34:39,609
That every situation -
Like those lines. You know?
604
00:34:39,677 --> 00:34:41,668
They do those lines, and if they-
605
00:34:41,746 --> 00:34:44,943
They've done those lines, you know,
10 times in one form or another.
606
00:34:45,016 --> 00:34:47,109
Fifty times.
You know, over and over and over.
607
00:34:47,185 --> 00:34:50,018
There's an infinite number
of precedents for that situation.
608
00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:52,215
This situation has no precedent.
609
00:34:52,290 --> 00:34:57,660
And the thing that I'm discovering, it seems,
is that this is the way that life really works.
610
00:34:57,728 --> 00:35:00,390
Without precedent. That really
every situation is without precedent.
611
00:35:00,465 --> 00:35:02,990
- [Terry] Or indeterminate. Yes.
- Absolutely indeterminate.
612
00:35:03,067 --> 00:35:07,504
And here we are in this situation
of total indeterminacy where we're uncertain.
613
00:35:07,572 --> 00:35:10,234
- Bill is uncertain. Bill can't tell you.
- [Jonathan] Yes. I think-
614
00:35:10,308 --> 00:35:12,776
[Greaves]Ladies and gentlemen, I hate to interrupt...
615
00:35:12,844 --> 00:35:16,837
this very scintillating
discussion, but, uh...
616
00:35:16,914 --> 00:35:19,348
either there is a God or there isn't.
617
00:35:19,417 --> 00:35:22,580
- [Chattering]
- But whatever. But there are some clouds
coming in this direction.
618
00:35:22,653 --> 00:35:25,087
We'd better get the hell out of here.
Okay? Shall we?
619
00:35:25,156 --> 00:35:27,386
- What are we doing?
- We're wrapping up.
620
00:35:27,458 --> 00:35:29,619
- [Bob] That's it?
- Yeah. We're wrapping up.
621
00:35:29,694 --> 00:35:32,162
[Man]Oh, nice. Wonderful.
622
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:34,164
- [Greaves] It's gonna rain.
- [Chattering]
623
00:35:34,232 --> 00:35:36,632
- [Larner] Let's go. Grab those machines.
- [Shouts]
624
00:35:36,701 --> 00:35:39,101
- It's gonna rain.
- Fuck the rain.
625
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:43,163
Fuck the rain? It's gonna rain. We can't -
The equipment won't function, man.
626
00:35:43,241 --> 00:35:46,335
- [Thunder Rumbling]- [Greaves] What do you think, Bob? Should we, uh-
627
00:35:46,410 --> 00:35:49,811
Should we close it up? Do you thinkit's gonna rain? I think it's gonna rain.
628
00:35:49,881 --> 00:35:54,784
- [Man] I think it's gonna rain bad.- [Terry] Let's get your cases on the truck.There's a big storm coming up quick.
629
00:35:54,852 --> 00:35:56,843
[Chattering]
630
00:35:58,589 --> 00:36:02,719
[Terry] Quick. Quick, quick. Arriflex away.Batches away. We'll be struck by lightning.
631
00:36:02,793 --> 00:36:04,727
- [Greaves] Okay?- [Frank] Yeah. Yeah.
632
00:36:04,795 --> 00:36:07,821
- [No Audible Dialogue]
- [Frank] I want you to knowthat I want to do it.
633
00:36:07,899 --> 00:36:10,527
[Greaves]Yes. I know. I know.
634
00:36:10,601 --> 00:36:14,332
[Thunder Rumbles]
635
00:36:14,405 --> 00:36:16,600
Hmm?
636
00:36:16,674 --> 00:36:18,665
What?
637
00:36:19,677 --> 00:36:22,441
Well, what the hell, man?
638
00:36:22,513 --> 00:36:25,482
- That's the whole fallacy of the movies.
- Come on. Let's go.
639
00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:27,916
- You move.
- [Terry] No. I'm shooting.
640
00:36:27,985 --> 00:36:30,783
- Move. You're gonna get wet.
- I don't care.! I want to shoot.!
641
00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:33,756
- Come on.
- [Woman] Shoot the shit, man.
642
00:36:33,824 --> 00:36:35,883
- Huh?
- [Terry] There's nothing.
643
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,088
- I won't get that sort oflightning. I need a-
- [Thunder Rumbles]
644
00:36:39,163 --> 00:36:41,256
Just bring me the tripod.Would you look over here?
645
00:36:41,332 --> 00:36:44,392
- [Bob] Here's the tripod. Where do you want it?- Just dump it here.
646
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:50,139
- [Audrey] Let's see.- [Jonathan] This is a wonderful wayto end the role, isn't it? It's great.
647
00:36:50,408 --> 00:36:53,275
[Greaves Muttering]
Excuse me.
648
00:36:53,344 --> 00:36:55,676
[Terry]
Oh, no, just do it once. Just once.
649
00:36:55,746 --> 00:36:58,579
- Hold it. Fine. Thank you.
- You're welcome.
650
00:37:01,118 --> 00:37:05,111
[Sustained Tone, Pitch Rising]
651
00:37:11,329 --> 00:37:14,821
[Tone Pitch Continues Rising]
652
00:37:19,737 --> 00:37:23,571
- [Tone Fades]
- [Applause]
653
00:37:25,009 --> 00:37:28,172
[Man Laughing]
654
00:37:31,315 --> 00:37:33,681
[Laughing Continues]
655
00:37:35,386 --> 00:37:39,413
Bill Greaves and Steve Buscemi,
come back up, please.
656
00:37:39,490 --> 00:37:41,481
[Applause]
657
00:37:48,532 --> 00:37:51,968
I, uh, would like to say that, uh, this -
658
00:37:52,036 --> 00:37:54,300
It's just wonderful to, uh...
659
00:37:54,372 --> 00:37:57,136
have the film, uh, accepted...
660
00:37:57,208 --> 00:38:00,871
finally after 30 years of waiting.
661
00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:05,712
I don't know. Is there any, uh -
Are there any questions? Any, uh -Any?
662
00:38:06,751 --> 00:38:08,719
No questions? Yes.
663
00:38:08,786 --> 00:38:14,349
What was the reaction of the crew
when you showed them the final - the final cut?
664
00:38:14,425 --> 00:38:19,294
Well, I - I didn't show them
the final cut right away.
665
00:38:19,363 --> 00:38:23,060
- [Audience Chuckles]
- Uh, but, uh, I think there was a -
666
00:38:23,134 --> 00:38:28,538
Well, let's, uh, have, uh, Jonathan -
What was your reaction to -
667
00:38:28,606 --> 00:38:32,599
Last time I saw this was, uh,
about eight years ago.
668
00:38:33,644 --> 00:38:36,977
- And I'm finally detached enough from it -
- [Audience Laughs]
669
00:38:37,048 --> 00:38:39,983
Um, to see it just as a work...
670
00:38:40,051 --> 00:38:42,611
without, um, judging myself.
671
00:38:42,687 --> 00:38:46,145
Uh, and so I had a -
I had a new experience here really.
672
00:38:46,223 --> 00:38:48,350
And, uh...
673
00:38:48,426 --> 00:38:52,829
I mean, I remembered
these emotions really well, Bill.
674
00:38:52,897 --> 00:38:58,767
Um, I do, you know. I remember
the absolutely authentic frustration with you.
675
00:39:00,971 --> 00:39:04,463
Um, it's just a great pleasure to watch it...
676
00:39:04,542 --> 00:39:06,635
and to watch this, um -
677
00:39:06,711 --> 00:39:09,271
and to watch this - this conspiracy...
678
00:39:09,347 --> 00:39:12,248
uh, in which you're
implicated too, you know.
679
00:39:12,316 --> 00:39:18,255
And, um -And to just watch this -
this odd conspiracy, um...
680
00:39:18,322 --> 00:39:21,519
of- of- of images and - and -
681
00:39:21,592 --> 00:39:25,892
Just to watch it occur and to see
the brilliant way in which you, um, took it...
682
00:39:25,963 --> 00:39:28,295
and made it into a work of, I think, art.
683
00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:33,360
And, um -And I remember, um,
the camaraderie...
684
00:39:33,437 --> 00:39:35,667
um, and the skillful -
685
00:39:35,740 --> 00:39:39,904
the skillful camaraderie
that we had as a crew...
686
00:39:39,977 --> 00:39:44,437
that - that gave us that -
that friendly trust in one another...
687
00:39:44,515 --> 00:39:47,416
to be able to - to deal with these things.
688
00:39:47,485 --> 00:39:50,682
'Cause those were those times, you know.
We "academized" -
689
00:39:50,755 --> 00:39:54,452
We "academized" this film
as well as did this film, you know.
690
00:39:54,525 --> 00:39:57,085
- And so we were all in our own way academic.
- Mm-hmm.
691
00:39:57,161 --> 00:39:59,959
And that was a very nice thing
about those times, I think.
692
00:40:00,030 --> 00:40:04,262
It's just a real pleasure for me. I don't know what
else to say. I'm so glad these people are here.
693
00:40:04,335 --> 00:40:07,930
Any other questions?
[Laughing]
694
00:40:08,005 --> 00:40:09,939
[Woman]When you saw them-
695
00:40:10,007 --> 00:40:12,407
When you saw your crewtalking about you like that-
696
00:40:12,476 --> 00:40:16,810
Very few directors are gonna invite that.
Were you sitting in the editing room alone?
697
00:40:16,881 --> 00:40:19,441
Um -
698
00:40:19,517 --> 00:40:22,042
Well, I was sitting
in the editing room with my son...
699
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:24,485
who, uh, was the assistant editor...
700
00:40:24,555 --> 00:40:26,489
and, uh, it was fascinating.
701
00:40:26,557 --> 00:40:28,582
Uh, and, you know, listen.
702
00:40:28,659 --> 00:40:32,652
Uh, we -
None of us like criticism per se...
703
00:40:32,730 --> 00:40:36,757
uh, but, uh,
it was interesting to me because...
704
00:40:36,834 --> 00:40:39,632
I realize that this wasthe other hand clapping.
705
00:40:39,703 --> 00:40:43,230
In other words, uh,you don't have a film...
706
00:40:43,307 --> 00:40:47,437
or a stage drama,or any kind of narrative form...
707
00:40:47,511 --> 00:40:52,107
that does not have conflict
inherent in it of some kind.
708
00:40:52,183 --> 00:40:55,346
And when, uh, we finished shooting...
709
00:40:55,419 --> 00:41:00,789
I was a little disturbed by the fact
that I didn't have enough conflict in the film.
710
00:41:00,858 --> 00:41:03,691
- [Laughing]
- And when I saw this material...
711
00:41:03,761 --> 00:41:07,219
thatJonathan and - and Bob Rosen
had put together...
712
00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:09,528
I said, "Hallelujah," you know.
713
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,967
Because I knew that that was gonna
make the film, and so it has.
714
00:41:13,037 --> 00:41:16,700
- [Man] Are you gonna continuewith those two characters in part two?- [Greaves] Yes.
715
00:41:16,774 --> 00:41:19,937
- We're gonna do the same dialogue?
- [All Laughing]
716
00:41:21,545 --> 00:41:24,514
Well, uh, "symbiotaxiplasm"is a term...
717
00:41:24,582 --> 00:41:28,643
that was, uh, devised and conceived...
718
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,553
by a social science philosopher
named Arthur Bentley...
719
00:41:32,623 --> 00:41:35,456
who was a contemporary ofJohn Dewey.
720
00:41:35,526 --> 00:41:38,859
And he studied the social sciences...
721
00:41:38,929 --> 00:41:42,092
from a scientific method perspective.
722
00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:45,658
And, um, he called...
723
00:41:45,736 --> 00:41:48,762
the symbiotaxiplasm...
724
00:41:48,839 --> 00:41:54,209
all those events that life -
that human beings are involved with...
725
00:41:54,278 --> 00:41:56,542
which, uh- which impact...
726
00:41:56,614 --> 00:42:01,347
their physical,social, material environment...
727
00:42:01,418 --> 00:42:06,355
and which in turn affect theirpersonalities, their character.
728
00:42:06,423 --> 00:42:09,859
So there's a kind of a dialectic-
uh, a-a dialogue...
729
00:42:09,927 --> 00:42:12,054
that goes on between...
730
00:42:12,129 --> 00:42:15,997
the, uh, individual - the human being -
and his environment.
731
00:42:16,066 --> 00:42:20,264
Like this area here is a symbiotaxiplasm.
732
00:42:20,337 --> 00:42:24,933
Uh, because here we are. You're affecting me.
I'm affecting you. So on and so forth.
733
00:42:25,009 --> 00:42:30,003
And all of the, uh, uh, developments
that have taken place in social -
734
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,572
in human history is a result
of that interchange.
735
00:42:33,651 --> 00:42:37,985
So I had the audacityto inject the term "psycho"-
736
00:42:38,055 --> 00:42:40,080
So it's "symbiopsychotaxiplasm"...
737
00:42:40,157 --> 00:42:45,652
and that designates, uh, the mental mechanismsthat are involved in the creative process...
738
00:42:45,729 --> 00:42:50,291
as the individual moves through
any given environment.
739
00:42:50,367 --> 00:42:56,203
There are a number of other very esoteric
concerns that I have in making the film...
740
00:42:56,273 --> 00:42:58,434
which I tend not to talk about...
741
00:42:58,509 --> 00:43:01,069
because my wife, Louise, thinks -
742
00:43:01,145 --> 00:43:04,740
thinks that I'm, you know,uh, going off the deep end.
743
00:43:04,815 --> 00:43:07,010
[Audience Laughs]
744
00:43:07,084 --> 00:43:10,884
But, uh, we have principles
like the Heisenberg principle of uncertainty...
745
00:43:10,955 --> 00:43:13,253
the Stanislavski system of acting...
746
00:43:13,324 --> 00:43:15,315
the, uh, chaos theory.
747
00:43:15,392 --> 00:43:18,850
Uh, there's an element
of mysticism involved...
748
00:43:18,929 --> 00:43:22,228
of, uh, Sri Aurobindo,
one of my gurus.
749
00:43:22,299 --> 00:43:25,496
Uh, there are a number of things
that are operating in this...
750
00:43:25,569 --> 00:43:30,666
concurrent with this very obvious, uh...
751
00:43:30,741 --> 00:43:33,710
you know, screen test,
which is a very simple event.
752
00:43:33,777 --> 00:43:38,305
Uh, where's Steve? Oh. There.
Did I answer your question?
753
00:43:38,382 --> 00:43:40,873
Yeah, but, I mean, this filmhas never been released...
754
00:43:40,951 --> 00:43:43,943
and we're doing a sequel to a film
that's never been -
755
00:43:46,924 --> 00:43:49,358
Could I ask you a question
I've been wondering about?
756
00:43:49,426 --> 00:43:54,227
What exactly are you trying to do,um, with this second thing?
757
00:43:54,298 --> 00:43:58,132
I mean, surely what we're doingat this festival is not enough to make a film.
758
00:43:58,202 --> 00:44:00,602
- It's a part of a larger vision you have.
- [Greaves] Yeah.
759
00:44:00,671 --> 00:44:03,367
- What is that?
- L- I don't know.
760
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,603
- [Woman] Oh.- [Jonathan] I think we need Bob Rosen here.
761
00:44:06,677 --> 00:44:10,545
[Chattering]
762
00:44:10,614 --> 00:44:13,447
[Woman]You're totally reliant on the crew.
763
00:44:13,517 --> 00:44:15,781
- [Chattering]- Again, he's falling back to-
764
00:44:15,853 --> 00:44:17,787
But he's asked an explosive question...
765
00:44:17,855 --> 00:44:20,790
you know, that goes tothe heart of this production.
766
00:44:20,858 --> 00:44:24,692
We've got that. But let's- Please.
767
00:44:24,762 --> 00:44:26,662
No. I - I quite agree. We'll move on.
768
00:44:26,730 --> 00:44:29,528
Terry Filgate, you're gonna be
camera number one.
769
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,364
Jerry will be camera number two.
770
00:44:34,004 --> 00:44:36,734
Fred, you're camera number three.
771
00:44:36,807 --> 00:44:40,538
Linda's number four,and Mr. Greaves is going to be-
772
00:44:40,611 --> 00:44:44,445
- Bill is gonna be camera number five.
- Occasionally.
773
00:44:44,515 --> 00:44:47,313
Occasionally. When it's working.
When camera five works.
774
00:45:48,612 --> 00:45:50,603
Thank you very much.
775
00:45:50,681 --> 00:45:54,481
Alice. Alice.
776
00:45:54,551 --> 00:45:57,042
[Chuckling]
777
00:45:57,121 --> 00:45:59,055
- Hi.
- Hi.
778
00:45:59,123 --> 00:46:01,785
How are you?
I thought you'd never get here.
779
00:46:01,859 --> 00:46:04,327
- I've been waiting for hours.
- I told you that I would.
780
00:46:04,394 --> 00:46:08,922
- No, but I stood here for hours and hours.
- You sounded so terrible on the telephone.
781
00:46:08,999 --> 00:46:10,489
- No.
- Really.
782
00:46:10,567 --> 00:46:12,501
- No. I'm fine.
- But you look fine.
783
00:46:12,569 --> 00:46:15,037
I'm great. I'm dying, but I'm great.
[Laughs]
784
00:46:15,105 --> 00:46:17,801
- Oh.
- Come on.
785
00:46:17,875 --> 00:46:20,639
[Chuckling]
I thought you'd never get here.
786
00:46:20,711 --> 00:46:22,941
I told you I would.
787
00:46:23,013 --> 00:46:25,641
But you sounded so terrible on the phone.
788
00:46:25,716 --> 00:46:29,584
- I thought you were ill, but you look fine.
- I'm great.
789
00:46:29,653 --> 00:46:32,383
- Well, I'm really glad to hear that.
- [Chuckles]
790
00:46:32,456 --> 00:46:34,424
- I mean, I was worried.
- Yeah?
791
00:46:34,491 --> 00:46:36,459
- Yes.
- You look great.
792
00:46:36,527 --> 00:46:39,860
Well, thank you.
For an old lady.
793
00:46:39,930 --> 00:46:43,331
[Freddie]
You don't understand.
794
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:48,133
You're the -You're the most exciting
human spirit I've ever met in my whole life.
795
00:46:48,205 --> 00:46:50,298
- [Alice Chuckles]
- Do you understand that?
796
00:46:50,374 --> 00:46:53,832
- Oh, Freddie.
- What? What?
797
00:47:01,018 --> 00:47:03,248
[Alice]
This -This is something that I -
798
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,845
that you get in - in Germany as well.
799
00:47:05,923 --> 00:47:08,289
- Really?
- Yes.
800
00:47:08,358 --> 00:47:10,724
In Germany it's now - It's also red.
801
00:47:10,794 --> 00:47:15,527
It's also green.
It's also orange and everything.
802
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:18,090
But it's incredible.
803
00:47:20,037 --> 00:47:23,871
[Alice]
# I stand and watch the autumn leaves #
804
00:47:23,941 --> 00:47:26,705
# Falling, falling #
805
00:47:26,777 --> 00:47:29,905
# Somnolently falling #
806
00:47:29,980 --> 00:47:32,107
�Je t'aimeJe t'aime �
807
00:47:32,182 --> 00:47:35,777
�Je t'aime, mon amourJe t'aime ��
808
00:47:35,853 --> 00:47:37,787
## [Singing In German]
809
00:47:37,855 --> 00:47:41,154
- ## [Ends]
- [Freddie] Can you believe this?
810
00:47:42,526 --> 00:47:45,791
- Isn't this a magical place? Hmm?- [Alice Sighs]
811
00:47:45,863 --> 00:47:48,195
[Freddie]
So? Hmm?
812
00:47:49,499 --> 00:47:52,127
[Alice]
Oh, thank you. Oh.
813
00:47:55,706 --> 00:47:57,799
Come on.
814
00:47:57,875 --> 00:48:01,402
It's -You know what it is?
It's like - It's like enchanted.
815
00:48:01,478 --> 00:48:05,346
- [Freddie] It is enchanted. It is. It's magical.
- [Alice] I mean, look at that. You know?
816
00:48:05,415 --> 00:48:08,350
It's-Jesus Christ.
817
00:48:08,418 --> 00:48:11,910
- It's like everything is alive.
- Not "like." Everything is alive.
818
00:48:11,989 --> 00:48:13,980
- Right.
- [Greaves] Cut.
819
00:48:14,057 --> 00:48:17,891
Uh, you've gotta -
They're gonna be sitting here.
820
00:48:17,961 --> 00:48:19,929
You have to get out of here.
821
00:48:21,365 --> 00:48:24,562
Could you folks, uh,
get over on this side?
822
00:48:26,904 --> 00:48:29,532
[Woman]Hi, puppy.
823
00:48:29,606 --> 00:48:33,508
- Uh, Shannon, Audrey.
- [Man] Hello.
824
00:48:33,577 --> 00:48:35,772
And then where's the -
Oh, I see it.
825
00:48:35,846 --> 00:48:38,337
- Is that the record button?
- Yeah.
826
00:48:40,517 --> 00:48:44,385
- [Greaves] What's that- What's that sound?
- ## [Earphones: Pop]
827
00:48:44,454 --> 00:48:46,888
Who's this? Who's this cameraman?
828
00:48:46,957 --> 00:48:49,619
- Um-
- [Man] The sound of one hand clapping.
829
00:48:49,693 --> 00:48:52,560
Huh? The sound of- I see.
830
00:48:52,629 --> 00:48:55,189
Who's this cameraman?
831
00:48:55,265 --> 00:48:57,893
He's an import from Brooklyn.
832
00:48:57,968 --> 00:49:01,233
[Greaves]Is he from Brooklyn? Does he have a passport?
833
00:49:01,305 --> 00:49:05,036
Does he have a - Hey, fella.
Have you got a passport from Brooklyn?
834
00:49:05,108 --> 00:49:08,168
- I don't need a passport, pal.
- I beg your pardon?
835
00:49:08,245 --> 00:49:12,181
- You've gotta have a passportto make a film in Manhattan, you know.
- Oh. All right.
836
00:49:12,249 --> 00:49:14,547
- We don't allow -
- [Man] Actually, he's from Staten Island.
837
00:49:14,618 --> 00:49:17,610
- [Greaves] Do you have chutzpah?
- Yeah. It's coming.
838
00:49:17,688 --> 00:49:20,452
Oh, good. Wonderful.
839
00:49:20,524 --> 00:49:23,823
- ## [Continues]
- [Greaves] Okay. Okay. Here we go.
840
00:49:23,894 --> 00:49:25,828
- Are you Steve Buscemi?
- Yeah.
841
00:49:25,896 --> 00:49:27,295
Oh. Nice to meet you.
842
00:49:27,364 --> 00:49:30,492
- Your film Living in Oblivion. Ah?
- Oh, yeah. Yeah.
843
00:49:30,567 --> 00:49:32,694
- It's the greatest.
- Thank you very much.
844
00:49:32,769 --> 00:49:35,237
�� [Continues]
845
00:49:41,845 --> 00:49:46,282
[Greaves] What I want to do, first of all,is do a run-through with the script.
846
00:49:46,350 --> 00:49:48,284
Right.
847
00:49:48,352 --> 00:49:52,550
But what we're going to do is,
we're going to do scene by scene.
848
00:49:52,622 --> 00:49:55,785
- I mean, there's six scenes or seven scenes in it.
- Right.
849
00:49:55,859 --> 00:49:59,420
So we're gonna do the run-through
from the script...
850
00:49:59,496 --> 00:50:01,430
verbatim to the script...
851
00:50:01,498 --> 00:50:05,093
and then we will -
as much as you can retain of the script...
852
00:50:05,168 --> 00:50:07,261
we're gonna do
just that little section.
853
00:50:07,337 --> 00:50:09,430
- Good. Okay.
- You follow me?
854
00:50:09,506 --> 00:50:13,237
It'll only be like a minute,
or a minute and a half, or two minutes, like that.
855
00:50:13,310 --> 00:50:15,244
Right.
Should I get the script then?
856
00:50:15,312 --> 00:50:17,746
- Get your script. Get -
- I don't have it with me.
857
00:50:17,814 --> 00:50:19,805
I have - Sorry.
858
00:50:20,851 --> 00:50:23,251
- Okay, so, uh -
- A script.
859
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:28,383
- I wondered if you might change your mind.
- [Laughs] I told you I'd be here.
860
00:50:28,458 --> 00:50:31,950
You know, you sounded
really terrible on the phone.
861
00:50:32,029 --> 00:50:33,963
- I was worried.
- I feel fine.
862
00:50:34,031 --> 00:50:36,659
- But you look fine.
- I do. I'm fine.
863
00:50:36,733 --> 00:50:39,531
- Y-Y-You -
- God, I'm glad to hear that.
864
00:50:39,603 --> 00:50:42,299
- You look great.
- [Laughs] Thank you.
865
00:50:42,372 --> 00:50:44,806
Uh, for an old lady.
Well, anyway-
866
00:50:44,875 --> 00:50:49,403
Hey, a lot of young womenwould really envy you.
867
00:50:49,479 --> 00:50:52,880
A singing career under your belt.
You're still going strong.
868
00:50:54,584 --> 00:50:56,518
Fine.
869
00:50:56,586 --> 00:50:58,781
- That's it. That's the first scene.
- That was the first scene.
870
00:50:58,855 --> 00:51:02,586
[Greaves]All right, let's go to the next, uh, section.
871
00:51:02,659 --> 00:51:07,323
What I'm doing is,I'm taking this section by section...
872
00:51:07,397 --> 00:51:09,331
and going, uh-
873
00:51:09,399 --> 00:51:12,300
We're going through the lines
just for that...
874
00:51:12,369 --> 00:51:14,894
- [Buscemi] Just for that -Yeah.
- [Greaves] seven or eight lines...
875
00:51:14,971 --> 00:51:16,905
[Buscemi]
Like it's broken down in the script?
876
00:51:16,973 --> 00:51:19,908
And then, you know,
doing what they can from memory...
877
00:51:19,976 --> 00:51:23,742
and whatever they can't,
they put in spontaneously...
878
00:51:23,814 --> 00:51:26,305
as improvisation stuff, you know.
879
00:51:26,383 --> 00:51:28,317
So, that's what we're doing.
880
00:51:28,385 --> 00:51:30,819
[Greaves]Stand by. All right, roll it.
881
00:51:30,887 --> 00:51:32,821
And action.
882
00:51:32,889 --> 00:51:36,086
Okay. Okay?
It was a stupid idea.
883
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:38,593
You've got a lot of nerve.
884
00:51:38,662 --> 00:51:41,256
I could have had
a daughter of my own.
885
00:51:41,331 --> 00:51:44,789
Now you tell meyou want to pass this stupid woman...
886
00:51:44,868 --> 00:51:47,029
this orphan, on to me.
887
00:51:47,104 --> 00:51:49,095
No!
888
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,739
- I didn't realize you were still so bitter.
- Oh.
889
00:51:53,810 --> 00:51:56,870
Oh! Of course I am.
890
00:51:56,947 --> 00:52:00,041
I could have had a family of my own.
891
00:52:03,787 --> 00:52:07,018
[Chuckles]
That's why I thought you might have done it.
892
00:52:07,090 --> 00:52:10,321
For yourself, if not for her.
893
00:52:15,999 --> 00:52:17,967
Then what -
[Exhales]
894
00:52:18,034 --> 00:52:21,435
Cut. Okay? Excellent.
895
00:52:21,505 --> 00:52:24,497
Excellent. Very good.
896
00:52:27,043 --> 00:52:30,069
Uh, Steve, um...
897
00:52:30,147 --> 00:52:35,744
the, uh - the actors are very- uh, very anxious
about the two of us coming at them -
898
00:52:35,819 --> 00:52:38,049
At once.
So I'm gonna hang back.
899
00:52:38,121 --> 00:52:40,646
- Okay. All right. Okay.
- Okay.
900
00:52:41,791 --> 00:52:43,725
- Audrey-
- Shh.
901
00:52:43,793 --> 00:52:46,387
- [Woman] Can we be here, Bill?
- Huh?
902
00:52:46,463 --> 00:52:49,728
[Man] You wanna have them walk outof the frame in this one though, right?
903
00:52:49,799 --> 00:52:52,233
- [Greaves] They walk out of the frame.
- All right.
904
00:52:52,302 --> 00:52:54,770
- We'll just have them get up and leave.
- [Greaves] Yeah, get up and leave.
905
00:52:54,838 --> 00:52:57,272
- Then we'll have them sit into the other one.
- Huh?
906
00:52:57,340 --> 00:53:00,275
- Have 'em sit into the other one.
- Well, yeah. Yeah.
907
00:53:00,343 --> 00:53:03,608
- And they may sit into another-
- Or maybe you want a wide shot of them -
908
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,615
They may sit into another location.You know what I mean?
909
00:53:06,683 --> 00:53:09,914
You want a wide shot of them
getting up and leaving, or just -
910
00:53:09,986 --> 00:53:11,977
Uh -
911
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:16,125
She says, "No."
She says, "No, no."
912
00:53:16,193 --> 00:53:19,128
- [Terry] But they'll come out-
- L-L-Let's try-
913
00:53:19,196 --> 00:53:23,690
- So he's gotta have each one of them.
- Let's try a wide - Let's try a wide -
914
00:53:23,767 --> 00:53:26,702
Let's try a close-up of her
getting up and leaving.
915
00:53:26,770 --> 00:53:30,103
- Right.
- And then we'll do it again with the wider shot.
916
00:53:30,173 --> 00:53:32,573
- Okay.
- Okay? That has - It's a two-shot.
917
00:53:32,642 --> 00:53:35,577
Okay? All right.
Okay. All right.
918
00:53:35,645 --> 00:53:39,308
[Terry] Their final line is,"We've had enough of this,"and then they leave.
919
00:53:39,382 --> 00:53:42,647
I'm sorry. Would you kindly project -
What did you say?
920
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,485
The final line is,
"We've had enough of this," and they leave.
921
00:53:46,556 --> 00:53:49,548
Then the crew goes pursuing them
for another location.
922
00:53:49,626 --> 00:53:52,561
I wanna know what you saidabout Bill spitting in the subway.
923
00:53:52,629 --> 00:53:54,563
I said there are people down there.
924
00:53:54,631 --> 00:53:57,794
Is that your attitude to them,
when you spat into the subway grating?
925
00:53:57,867 --> 00:54:01,633
I spit on the grille, and he said,
"There are people down there!"
926
00:54:01,705 --> 00:54:05,334
He never was like that before
till he came back to New York.
927
00:54:05,408 --> 00:54:08,309
Spit down gratings on the subway.
928
00:54:08,378 --> 00:54:11,279
All right, enough of this levity.
929
00:54:11,348 --> 00:54:14,283
Enough of this levity, Mr. Filgate.
We're busy people here.
930
00:54:14,351 --> 00:54:16,285
- [Man] This is serious business.
- Okay?
931
00:54:16,353 --> 00:54:18,878
- [Terry] Okay. We'll get serious.
- Okay.
932
00:54:18,955 --> 00:54:24,052
[Greaves] Uh, could you-
could you take your seat there?
933
00:54:24,127 --> 00:54:26,994
We should go up this way.
934
00:54:27,063 --> 00:54:29,497
Mr. Greaves says he doesn't want to -
935
00:54:30,634 --> 00:54:33,694
- We're ending up right here.
- On the first leg of our journey.
936
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:35,533
[Woman]On the first leg.
937
00:54:35,605 --> 00:54:38,506
[Greaves]Even when they're not acting.
938
00:54:41,011 --> 00:54:43,445
- [Man] Everyone thinks they're directing.- [Greaves] What?
939
00:54:43,513 --> 00:54:46,277
- Every actor thinks they're directing.- [Greaves Chuckles]
940
00:54:49,352 --> 00:54:52,344
[No Audible Dialogue]
941
00:55:11,775 --> 00:55:16,371
[Jonathan] Bill said to me yesterday-
He said to moderate a discussion here.
942
00:55:16,446 --> 00:55:21,110
And so, there's a few things,um, I want to say.
943
00:55:21,184 --> 00:55:24,119
First of all, this is very open.
944
00:55:24,187 --> 00:55:27,213
There's no manipulation from Bill
as to where -
945
00:55:27,290 --> 00:55:31,192
He's not manipulating me
to manipulate anybody to say anything.
946
00:55:31,261 --> 00:55:35,027
Um, and I was actually
surprised at the degree...
947
00:55:35,098 --> 00:55:37,498
to which he did leave it open.
948
00:55:37,567 --> 00:55:43,028
And, um, those of you
who saw the first Symbio know...
949
00:55:43,106 --> 00:55:47,065
that at a certain point
in the production...
950
00:55:47,143 --> 00:55:49,509
due to frustration at this process...
951
00:55:49,579 --> 00:55:52,548
that Bill was leading us on...
952
00:55:52,615 --> 00:55:55,175
we mutinied,
we grabbed some film and tape...
953
00:55:55,251 --> 00:55:59,483
we went into an editing room
and we had a talk about this.
954
00:55:59,556 --> 00:56:02,457
But there's a fewvery significant differences here.
955
00:56:02,525 --> 00:56:06,621
First of all, in 1968
it was a genuine transgression.
956
00:56:06,696 --> 00:56:09,859
We were not supposed to be doing this.
We just did it.
957
00:56:09,933 --> 00:56:14,097
It was transgressing
the director-crew boundary...
958
00:56:14,170 --> 00:56:16,798
that any production is supposed to have.
959
00:56:18,074 --> 00:56:21,510
And, uh, we didn't do it
for the purpose of winding up on the film.
960
00:56:21,578 --> 00:56:25,344
We just did it, thinking it was sort of
a filmmaker-to-filmmaker joke...
961
00:56:25,415 --> 00:56:28,441
and that Bill would see it
when he developed the film...
962
00:56:28,518 --> 00:56:30,713
and that was the best we could do.
963
00:56:30,787 --> 00:56:34,314
It was one of the best things
we could do about our participation.
964
00:56:34,391 --> 00:56:36,689
And the context was really different.
965
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,887
There was not yet a film
called Symbio.
966
00:56:38,962 --> 00:56:42,193
There was just three days called Symbio,
or however many days it was.
967
00:56:42,265 --> 00:56:45,200
So there was no film
that had been made.
968
00:56:45,268 --> 00:56:48,203
There was no Steve Buscemi.
There was no mystique.
969
00:56:48,271 --> 00:56:50,831
There was no Southampton Film Festival.
970
00:56:50,907 --> 00:56:53,205
There was nothing you could point to,like you can point-
971
00:56:53,276 --> 00:56:56,575
Even those of you who haven't been here,you can all point to something...
972
00:56:56,646 --> 00:56:58,580
that already has happened with Symbio.
973
00:56:58,648 --> 00:57:02,175
You know it's something.
In 1968 we didn't know whether it was something.
974
00:57:02,252 --> 00:57:05,983
So there was a legitimate question
that we would have coming together.
975
00:57:06,055 --> 00:57:09,149
I mean, a really mature,
legitimate, artistic question...
976
00:57:09,225 --> 00:57:11,716
of whether our colleague and friend
knew what he was doing.
977
00:57:11,795 --> 00:57:14,764
If that rebellion -
that crew rebellion -
978
00:57:14,831 --> 00:57:20,201
It had an incredibly powerful function
in the context of that movie...
979
00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:24,366
in that it gave the movie
an incredible amount of conflict.
980
00:57:24,441 --> 00:57:27,376
You know?
As soon as that started to happen -
981
00:57:27,444 --> 00:57:30,880
In the beginning, you started to wonder
who these flaky guys were.
982
00:57:30,947 --> 00:57:35,714
Then the rebellion starts to happen and you think,
"Hey, something is really going on here."
983
00:57:35,785 --> 00:57:39,152
And there's an enormous amount of conflict
about how it's gonna turn out.
984
00:57:39,222 --> 00:57:43,022
What is Bill going to do in this picture
to get that kind of conflict...
985
00:57:43,092 --> 00:57:45,822
and can what we're doing
succeed without conflict?
986
00:57:45,895 --> 00:57:48,420
Is conflict necessary
to make this kind of thing work?
987
00:57:48,498 --> 00:57:52,059
Because on this shootit seems like it's a little bit more overt.
988
00:57:52,135 --> 00:57:54,069
[Woman #1]It's totally overt.
989
00:57:54,137 --> 00:57:56,071
- Okay. Totally overt.
- Totally overt.
990
00:57:56,139 --> 00:57:59,870
[Woman #2] But because they're trying to getthis conflict, I think it may be heightened.
991
00:57:59,943 --> 00:58:02,104
Because, as you say,
there's no natural conflict.
992
00:58:02,178 --> 00:58:05,272
What happened to you all in '68
is just not happening.
993
00:58:05,348 --> 00:58:08,408
And I think everybodymay be reaching now for something.
994
00:58:08,485 --> 00:58:12,046
This is actually almost more
a history lesson than anything.
995
00:58:12,121 --> 00:58:15,056
I mean,
what has transpired in 35 years?
996
00:58:15,124 --> 00:58:18,821
Just like the relationship between
the two characters in the film has changed...
997
00:58:18,895 --> 00:58:23,355
the relationship of the crew
to the director has changed...
998
00:58:23,433 --> 00:58:27,233
just as a natural evolution
in film history.
999
00:58:27,303 --> 00:58:30,830
We've, you know -
We can't create that conflict.
1000
00:58:30,907 --> 00:58:33,375
- [Man] No, we can't. Not honestly.
- Not honestly.
1001
00:58:33,443 --> 00:58:37,971
If the conflict were to exist,
we should never have seen this film.
1002
00:58:38,047 --> 00:58:40,038
[Sighs]
1003
00:58:43,353 --> 00:58:45,412
- It's beautiful.
- It is.
1004
00:58:45,488 --> 00:58:48,616
- [Groans, Sighs]
- Absolutely-
1005
00:58:48,691 --> 00:58:50,625
[Alice]Absolutely fantastic.
1006
00:58:50,693 --> 00:58:53,423
[Freddie] It's kind of sunny,so why don't we sit over here.
1007
00:58:53,496 --> 00:58:55,487
Okay.
1008
00:58:59,969 --> 00:59:01,960
Okay.
1009
00:59:03,706 --> 00:59:05,697
- This better?
- Yes.
1010
00:59:06,843 --> 00:59:09,334
Mmm. There's something
I want to show you.
1011
00:59:15,885 --> 00:59:17,978
[Chuckles]
You remember this?
1012
00:59:18,054 --> 00:59:20,249
[Alice Gasps]
1013
00:59:20,323 --> 00:59:22,257
Oh, my God.
1014
00:59:22,325 --> 00:59:24,259
[Laughs]
Oh, my G -
1015
00:59:24,327 --> 00:59:26,488
Was I ever that young?
1016
00:59:26,563 --> 00:59:28,554
- You look so beautiful.
- Where'd you get this?
1017
00:59:28,631 --> 00:59:31,964
- I saved it.
- Really? The two of us.
1018
00:59:32,035 --> 00:59:35,129
- Can you believe it?
- Looks like hundreds of years ago.
1019
00:59:35,204 --> 00:59:39,140
- You think?
- Oh, my God.
1020
00:59:44,347 --> 00:59:47,282
[Alice] You know,Europe was really good to me.
1021
00:59:47,350 --> 00:59:50,342
Doors opened everywhere.
1022
00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:53,355
And I got a chance
to start really afresh.
1023
00:59:53,423 --> 00:59:56,722
- Mmm.
- Sort of pick up the pieces of my life.
1024
00:59:56,793 --> 00:59:58,727
Mmm.
1025
00:59:58,795 --> 01:00:02,390
Thanks for sending the recordings.
They're great.
1026
01:00:02,465 --> 01:00:05,457
You've got such a distinctive sound.
1027
01:00:05,535 --> 01:00:11,132
Is that why you dragged me from Europe -
to tell me you like my voice?
1028
01:00:11,207 --> 01:00:14,301
Not really. There's something
I needed to talk to you about.
1029
01:00:15,445 --> 01:00:18,437
I've got this one young lady-
1030
01:00:18,514 --> 01:00:20,539
she was busted for possession.
1031
01:00:20,617 --> 01:00:24,314
All my kids get busted for possession
because of these stupid Rockefeller laws.
1032
01:00:24,387 --> 01:00:26,321
Anyway, she's sober...
1033
01:00:26,389 --> 01:00:28,653
she's been clean for a while...
1034
01:00:28,725 --> 01:00:31,489
and she's gonna needa lot ofhelp, support.
1035
01:00:31,561 --> 01:00:33,552
And, um...
1036
01:00:35,665 --> 01:00:37,599
she's a singer.
1037
01:00:37,667 --> 01:00:41,603
She's beautiful.
She's like my adopted daughter.
1038
01:00:41,671 --> 01:00:45,038
And I was hoping
that maybe you could meet her.
1039
01:00:45,108 --> 01:00:47,042
Freddie...
1040
01:00:47,110 --> 01:00:51,843
you know, I think...
you've just worked too hard.
1041
01:00:52,949 --> 01:00:56,749
You're doing- I mean,it's a stressful situation that you're in.
1042
01:00:59,255 --> 01:01:02,986
Hey, there's a wonderfulEuropean spa that I go to.
1043
01:01:03,059 --> 01:01:04,993
Mm-hmm.
1044
01:01:05,061 --> 01:01:08,690
I'll pay your way,
and you can stay as long as you want.
1045
01:01:08,765 --> 01:01:11,700
- [Freddie Laughs]
- The tab's on me.
1046
01:01:11,768 --> 01:01:15,534
L- I don't think I can.Not right now.
1047
01:01:15,605 --> 01:01:19,006
I'm just too involved
with the work I'm doing and -
1048
01:01:19,075 --> 01:01:21,509
And besides,
I'm very concerned about this -
1049
01:01:21,577 --> 01:01:23,511
this young lady.
1050
01:01:23,579 --> 01:01:25,774
She's like my adopted daughter.
1051
01:01:25,848 --> 01:01:29,784
- She's gonna need a lot of support.
- What are you getting at, Freddie?
1052
01:01:29,852 --> 01:01:31,911
I wanted tointroduce her to you.
1053
01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:36,625
Yeah-
1054
01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:40,288
Maybe she could
go back with you to Europe.
1055
01:01:41,297 --> 01:01:43,458
[Laughing]
Jesus!
1056
01:01:43,533 --> 01:01:45,626
[Freddie]What?
1057
01:01:45,702 --> 01:01:48,466
- This is incredible.
- You like the idea?
1058
01:01:48,538 --> 01:01:50,529
I mean -
1059
01:01:51,741 --> 01:01:54,676
You -Why didn't you tell me this
on the telephone?
1060
01:01:54,744 --> 01:01:58,180
- I couldn't tell you that on the phone.
- Why didn't you tell me this on the telephone?
1061
01:01:58,247 --> 01:02:01,683
How could I tell you that on the-
I want you to meet her in person.
1062
01:02:01,751 --> 01:02:04,686
You could have had my answer then...
1063
01:02:04,754 --> 01:02:07,120
which is no.
1064
01:02:09,926 --> 01:02:11,917
No.
1065
01:02:13,529 --> 01:02:15,724
[Speaking Foreign Language]
No.
1066
01:02:18,034 --> 01:02:19,968
[Freddie Sighs]
1067
01:02:20,737 --> 01:02:22,671
[Greaves]Okay, cut.
1068
01:02:22,739 --> 01:02:26,505
All right, let's-
let's do that "no, no"and then get up-
1069
01:02:26,576 --> 01:02:28,635
And then get up.
Right.
1070
01:02:28,711 --> 01:02:31,612
[Greaves]Roll 'em. Roll cameras.
1071
01:02:31,681 --> 01:02:34,275
- [Man #1] Rolling.- [Man #2] Speed.
1072
01:02:34,350 --> 01:02:37,410
[Greaves]And... action.
1073
01:02:37,487 --> 01:02:42,390
She doesn't have any female role models
that she can identify with.
1074
01:02:46,596 --> 01:02:51,158
You mean you brought me
all the way from Europe to tell me this?
1075
01:02:54,036 --> 01:02:58,405
You could have had my answeron the telephone...
1076
01:02:58,474 --> 01:03:00,408
which is...
1077
01:03:00,476 --> 01:03:04,708
no, no, no.
1078
01:03:10,553 --> 01:03:13,886
Alice. Alice.
1079
01:03:14,891 --> 01:03:16,882
Alice.
1080
01:03:18,528 --> 01:03:22,020
Alice!
Okay, it was a stupid idea.
1081
01:03:23,032 --> 01:03:26,968
We're gonna re -
We're gonna redo this whole scene again...
1082
01:03:27,036 --> 01:03:28,970
at another location.
1083
01:03:29,038 --> 01:03:31,973
It's the Strawberry Fields location.
1084
01:03:32,041 --> 01:03:34,532
It's a wonderful backdrop...
1085
01:03:34,610 --> 01:03:38,137
for this, uh, psychodrama
to take place.
1086
01:03:38,214 --> 01:03:40,148
- Take place, yeah.
- So it'll be -
1087
01:03:40,216 --> 01:03:42,150
- Cool my jets. Yeah.
- Yeah, right.
1088
01:03:42,218 --> 01:03:45,016
But at least you're getting the material
that you need to work with. Okay?
1089
01:03:45,087 --> 01:03:47,453
- I am. Thank you.
- Okay.
1090
01:03:48,925 --> 01:03:50,916
[Greaves]Wait for me.
1091
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,397
Okay, it was a stupid idea.
1092
01:04:00,469 --> 01:04:03,461
You bet.
You have a lot of nerve.
1093
01:04:03,539 --> 01:04:06,599
I mean, I could have
had this child of my own.
1094
01:04:06,676 --> 01:04:10,612
Now you're trying to pass off
this so-called orphan daughter of yours.
1095
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,739
I didn't realize you'd be so -
1096
01:04:12,815 --> 01:04:14,407
I'm not having it.
1097
01:04:14,483 --> 01:04:18,613
I am too tired,
I am too old...
1098
01:04:18,688 --> 01:04:21,657
and I'm worn out.
1099
01:04:21,724 --> 01:04:25,319
- I didn't realize you'd be so bitter.
- I am bitter.
1100
01:04:25,394 --> 01:04:27,692
And I have a right to be.
1101
01:04:29,198 --> 01:04:31,132
[Greaves]Okay, good.
1102
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,227
[Man] When she stood up, she totallyblocked him. So we need a mark.
1103
01:04:35,304 --> 01:04:37,499
When?
When do I cover him?
1104
01:04:37,573 --> 01:04:41,509
I'm gonna- When she gets up, I'm gonna-
I'm just gonna stay.
1105
01:04:41,577 --> 01:04:44,512
[Man] Yeah, I know,but she was dead in front of you.
1106
01:04:44,580 --> 01:04:47,014
[Audrey]
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
1107
01:04:47,083 --> 01:04:50,314
[Greaves] She walks off,and then you want her to move over to here?
1108
01:04:50,386 --> 01:04:53,822
[Man]Yeah, that's the wrong camera direction.
1109
01:04:53,890 --> 01:04:56,688
- And here?
- No, no.
1110
01:04:56,759 --> 01:04:58,886
If she'd just -
1111
01:04:58,961 --> 01:05:03,193
- If I stood here-
- Yeah, just stand up and move a little this way.
1112
01:05:03,266 --> 01:05:05,257
Right. Okay. You know -
1113
01:05:06,369 --> 01:05:09,361
[Audrey Speaking, Faint]
1114
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,968
[Man]Right. Yeah, that's good.
1115
01:05:15,778 --> 01:05:18,008
- However-
- What?
1116
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:23,017
[Man] What? I was just saying,however, the screen direction's wrong.
1117
01:05:23,085 --> 01:05:25,519
She needs to be
on this side of the camera.
1118
01:05:25,588 --> 01:05:28,056
- She's on this side of the camera?
- Right.
1119
01:05:28,124 --> 01:05:31,821
If you wanna be able
to cut to her, to that camera...
1120
01:05:31,894 --> 01:05:36,092
he's gotta be looking left to right,she's gotta be looking- Right?
1121
01:05:36,165 --> 01:05:39,032
So when she crosses the axis this way...
1122
01:05:39,101 --> 01:05:42,468
he's no longer looking left-to-right,he's looking right-to-left.
1123
01:05:42,538 --> 01:05:44,472
- Wow.
- You understand that?
1124
01:05:44,540 --> 01:05:47,407
- Yeah.
- As long as you understand it and I'm -
1125
01:05:47,476 --> 01:05:50,411
[Greaves]Not to worry. I will edit-
1126
01:05:50,479 --> 01:05:55,542
I'll be the editor, and I promise you
it all will be corrected.
1127
01:05:55,618 --> 01:05:58,178
Okay?
Don't worry about it.
1128
01:05:58,254 --> 01:06:00,188
As I say, trust me, folks.
1129
01:06:00,256 --> 01:06:02,816
I mean, I know how
to make a movie. Okay?
1130
01:06:02,892 --> 01:06:04,883
All right, so, um -
1131
01:06:04,961 --> 01:06:08,897
- Let mejust explain it to these guys.- [Greaves] No, it's okay. Please.
1132
01:06:08,965 --> 01:06:14,369
I'll cut away to a rowboator something else- the foliage.
1133
01:06:14,437 --> 01:06:17,201
- You know what I mean?- Right.
1134
01:06:17,273 --> 01:06:19,707
- Before it gets, uh -
- Okay.
1135
01:06:19,775 --> 01:06:21,709
All right, um -
1136
01:06:21,777 --> 01:06:25,406
I mean, what are you suggesting,
that she go that way?
1137
01:06:25,481 --> 01:06:29,508
Or we cover her from this side.
1138
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:32,953
That - No, that bothers me.
No, I think-
1139
01:06:33,022 --> 01:06:36,480
Well, see, that's a natural cut.
A natural cut is right-to-left or left-to-right.
1140
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:38,493
Yeah, I understand.
1141
01:06:38,561 --> 01:06:41,587
So when she crosses the axis here,you really need to be here...
1142
01:06:41,664 --> 01:06:44,098
in order to get her dialogue...
1143
01:06:44,166 --> 01:06:47,101
in order to have right screen direction
for her to have the dialogue.
1144
01:06:47,169 --> 01:06:50,935
I'm gonna stay- I'm gonna stay on him.I'm gonna stay on him.
1145
01:06:53,509 --> 01:06:55,443
All right, um -
1146
01:06:55,511 --> 01:06:59,208
Usually, that's what I do,
is worry about that.
1147
01:06:59,281 --> 01:07:01,215
But -
1148
01:07:01,283 --> 01:07:03,808
- [Man Laughs]
- You know.
1149
01:07:05,187 --> 01:07:07,519
Put in my two cents, right?
1150
01:07:08,791 --> 01:07:11,783
[Jonathan] But cinematographershave a different relationship to directors...
1151
01:07:11,894 --> 01:07:14,328
than many other film craftsmen.
1152
01:07:14,397 --> 01:07:16,331
Or correct me if I'm wrong.
1153
01:07:16,399 --> 01:07:20,699
It's a more intimate, collegial,
collaborative relationship with the director's eye...
1154
01:07:20,770 --> 01:07:23,068
because it's so connected
to the cinematographer's eye.
1155
01:07:23,139 --> 01:07:25,073
- Is that right, Terry?
- [Terry] Yeah, screen-
1156
01:07:25,141 --> 01:07:28,338
I would say that 90% of the directors
who I work for...
1157
01:07:28,411 --> 01:07:31,346
have not a clue about
technical aspects of filmmaking.
1158
01:07:31,414 --> 01:07:33,348
[Terry]You think they come out of television?
1159
01:07:33,416 --> 01:07:36,351
Well, first of all, a lot of them
are first-time directors.
1160
01:07:36,419 --> 01:07:39,354
I've worked with a lot of first-time directors
who don't have any idea, technically-
1161
01:07:39,422 --> 01:07:41,686
- You train them.- Phil?
1162
01:07:41,757 --> 01:07:44,021
Now, under normal circumstances-
1163
01:07:44,093 --> 01:07:47,028
When you come to Williamwith ideas and suggestions...
1164
01:07:47,096 --> 01:07:49,360
about traditional techniques
to avoid -
1165
01:07:49,432 --> 01:07:51,366
[Phil]He's basically indifferent.
1166
01:07:51,434 --> 01:07:53,834
- [Laughing]
- I mean, he doesn't really care.
1167
01:07:53,903 --> 01:07:56,838
- So, I mean, my, you know-
- [Terry] Bill doesn't care.
1168
01:07:56,906 --> 01:07:59,841
You tell him something, and he doesn't care.You say, "This won't cut"-
1169
01:07:59,909 --> 01:08:03,345
He was coming left out of your frameand coming in the opposite way on my frame.
1170
01:08:03,412 --> 01:08:07,348
What do you do in this situation?
Do you get what's correct, or what he wants?
1171
01:08:07,416 --> 01:08:10,010
[Phil] Under normal circumstances,on a normal movie...
1172
01:08:10,086 --> 01:08:13,021
I would be answerable to the producerwho would say to me...
1173
01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:16,024
- "Why didn't you tell him how to do this?"
- Right. Right. Right. Right.
1174
01:08:16,092 --> 01:08:18,526
So, you know, it's a different dynamic.
1175
01:08:18,594 --> 01:08:21,028
[Jonathan]
What do you do in this case?
1176
01:08:21,097 --> 01:08:25,659
In this case, he's the producer and the director,
so you can't really tell him what to do.
1177
01:08:25,734 --> 01:08:27,668
So you would - Look-What?
1178
01:08:27,736 --> 01:08:32,173
I'd say, in other circumstances,I would be much more forceful...
1179
01:08:32,241 --> 01:08:34,175
in pushing my, uh...
1180
01:08:34,243 --> 01:08:37,178
technical knowledge
about how to make a movie.
1181
01:08:37,246 --> 01:08:40,181
But it seems to me
that he's got his own agenda here...
1182
01:08:40,249 --> 01:08:44,185
which is not necessarily
the technical aspects of making a movie.
1183
01:08:44,253 --> 01:08:46,517
- So -
- Or even of postproduction of-
1184
01:08:46,589 --> 01:08:49,786
Or of anything -
Of anything about making a theatrical film.
1185
01:08:49,859 --> 01:08:54,193
So it seems to me that my role here
is very different than it would be...
1186
01:08:54,263 --> 01:08:56,197
in normal circumstances.
1187
01:08:56,265 --> 01:09:00,599
He's got an agenda which
maybe I don't even understand.
1188
01:09:00,669 --> 01:09:05,038
And I can appreciate that, so I'll go
with the flow, see where it's taking me.
1189
01:09:05,107 --> 01:09:08,941
I'm coming from a director's point-
But I don't want to direct the film or anything.
1190
01:09:09,011 --> 01:09:13,471
But I was telling John that it would be interesting
to see Audrey just totally break rank...
1191
01:09:13,549 --> 01:09:16,211
and break, you know, the "actory" -
1192
01:09:16,285 --> 01:09:19,220
Something needs to be given to her
to just throw her off...
1193
01:09:19,288 --> 01:09:22,780
and she can start speaking that German -
cussing in German -
1194
01:09:22,858 --> 01:09:27,454
and just totally break from her shell,
this shield, this defense she's put up...
1195
01:09:27,530 --> 01:09:29,464
and just give it to him.
1196
01:09:29,532 --> 01:09:32,194
I would like to see less aversion.
1197
01:09:32,268 --> 01:09:38,002
Especially because, at the end of his life,
no matter what has happened between them...
1198
01:09:38,073 --> 01:09:40,234
there's seems to be
no forgiveness, you see.
1199
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:44,075
- Mm-hmm.
- And I understand the wound, of course.
1200
01:09:44,146 --> 01:09:46,011
But there's no forgiveness, you see.
1201
01:09:46,081 --> 01:09:49,414
But there's no forgiveness from the get-go,
there's no forgiveness from the starting gate.
1202
01:09:49,485 --> 01:09:51,453
- Why did she come?
- Why did she come?
1203
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,648
Now, I can see,
the way the conversation is going...
1204
01:09:54,723 --> 01:09:58,318
and the pitiful way
he wants to position this...
1205
01:09:58,394 --> 01:10:01,522
I can see, ultimately, an aversion -
1206
01:10:01,597 --> 01:10:03,827
"Oh, this is too much.
I can't go here."
1207
01:10:03,899 --> 01:10:07,835
But up to that point,
I would think a little something -
1208
01:10:07,903 --> 01:10:10,064
More warmth or something
would be appropriate.
1209
01:10:10,139 --> 01:10:12,073
Mm-hmm.
1210
01:10:12,141 --> 01:10:14,075
[Greaves]
What I love about making films...
1211
01:10:14,143 --> 01:10:17,704
is that everybody wants to be a director,
everybody wants to be a producer.
1212
01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:20,214
And this is what Symbio is all about.
1213
01:10:20,282 --> 01:10:23,718
You know, that wonderful thing
in the crew room where everyone...
1214
01:10:23,786 --> 01:10:27,187
[Chuckles]
Expresses their need to...
1215
01:10:27,256 --> 01:10:30,316
control the creation of reality,
you know, the cosmos.
1216
01:10:30,392 --> 01:10:32,326
[Buscemi]
Can we get a camera on Bill?
1217
01:10:32,394 --> 01:10:35,488
[Greaves] George Bush- W. -
this is what he's trying to-
1218
01:10:35,564 --> 01:10:38,499
he wants control of the world-
that's what he's trying to do.
1219
01:10:38,567 --> 01:10:43,095
I mean, that's when it reaches its highestmanifestation, this need to take over-
1220
01:10:43,172 --> 01:10:46,539
Well, actually, he's destroying the world
in the process of trying to -
1221
01:10:46,609 --> 01:10:49,544
You think he really wants
to be a director, George Bush?
1222
01:10:49,612 --> 01:10:51,671
Yeah, I think he wants
to direct humanity.
1223
01:10:51,747 --> 01:10:54,682
- Can I ask you a question while we're waiting?
- Sure.
1224
01:10:54,750 --> 01:10:57,184
But I don't know, uh -
1225
01:10:57,253 --> 01:11:00,188
'Cause we were talking about this,
and since you brought it up -
1226
01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:02,190
Yeah?
1227
01:11:02,258 --> 01:11:05,523
When you made the first
Symbiopsychotaxiplasm Take One...
1228
01:11:05,594 --> 01:11:07,528
Yes.
1229
01:11:07,596 --> 01:11:10,030
It was at the height
of the Vietnam War.
1230
01:11:10,099 --> 01:11:15,036
Now, I know you didn't time this to happen
during what's going on in Iraq...
1231
01:11:15,104 --> 01:11:17,368
where there's war-
1232
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,842
- The war's ended, and there's more
soldiers who have been killed -
- Sure.
1233
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:23,844
During - during the war.
1234
01:11:23,912 --> 01:11:26,176
- Yeah.
- Um -
1235
01:11:26,248 --> 01:11:30,582
Of course,during the 1968 shooting...
1236
01:11:30,653 --> 01:11:32,587
of Symbio One...
1237
01:11:32,655 --> 01:11:34,589
uh, ultimately...
1238
01:11:34,657 --> 01:11:37,148
it was a metaphor
for the Vietnam War.
1239
01:11:37,226 --> 01:11:39,160
That's what I was saying.
1240
01:11:39,228 --> 01:11:43,995
Now, you don't - But you didn't -you didn't -
you didn't see it, or you don't believe it?
1241
01:11:44,066 --> 01:11:47,001
- Or it doesn't mean anything to you?
- It's just no savvy.
1242
01:11:47,069 --> 01:11:49,503
I mean,
I don't disbelieve it if he says it...
1243
01:11:49,571 --> 01:11:53,632
but from my own point of view,
I don't capture that metaphor- I don't get it.
1244
01:11:53,709 --> 01:11:57,338
The important thing for me
is that, as I said -
1245
01:11:57,413 --> 01:12:02,043
Actually, I said it on the grass there
when I was meeting with the crew -
1246
01:12:02,117 --> 01:12:04,108
It doesn't matter...
1247
01:12:05,254 --> 01:12:07,688
whether or not
you get the metaphor...
1248
01:12:07,756 --> 01:12:10,224
that the particular artist
has in mind...
1249
01:12:10,292 --> 01:12:13,625
so long as the people
who are viewing the work of art...
1250
01:12:13,696 --> 01:12:16,062
have some kind of an experience...
1251
01:12:16,131 --> 01:12:19,066
that helps them to,
in some way or other...
1252
01:12:19,134 --> 01:12:23,798
make certain types of, you know,
uh, uh, analyses...
1253
01:12:23,872 --> 01:12:27,535
and understandings
of how the world is working.
1254
01:12:46,528 --> 01:12:49,929
- [Man] Put your arms around me too.
- Everybody loves Shannon.
1255
01:12:50,532 --> 01:12:53,467
- I want a hug, Bill.
- Yeah, okay.
1256
01:12:53,535 --> 01:12:56,629
I love you, Bill.
Shannon, I want a hug too.
1257
01:12:56,705 --> 01:12:59,196
- Shannon, give me a hug.
- [Greaves Chuckling]
1258
01:13:02,378 --> 01:13:04,369
Yeah, hug her!
1259
01:13:06,582 --> 01:13:08,516
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
1260
01:13:08,584 --> 01:13:11,849
What I'm planning to do is, uh...
1261
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:13,854
having her turn more -
1262
01:13:13,922 --> 01:13:16,482
- Right. I saw that.
- So that's -Yeah. That's number one.
1263
01:13:16,558 --> 01:13:22,428
And number two is to try to get her-
them to start at a different, uh...
1264
01:13:22,498 --> 01:13:24,898
emotional and psychological level.
1265
01:13:24,967 --> 01:13:27,629
That is to say that she's -
1266
01:13:27,703 --> 01:13:33,198
They're pretending that they're
quite happy to be together.
1267
01:13:33,275 --> 01:13:35,709
- They're pretending?
- Yeah. At the beginning.
1268
01:13:35,778 --> 01:13:39,475
- Right.
- And then only to discover that, uh...
1269
01:13:40,616 --> 01:13:44,017
there's a much more serious thingstill going on between them...
1270
01:13:44,086 --> 01:13:48,489
having to do withthis whole issue of...
1271
01:13:48,557 --> 01:13:51,685
his wanting her to take on
the responsibility...
1272
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,251
of this young woman, this child -
1273
01:13:54,329 --> 01:13:56,854
Not child, but this very talented
young woman...
1274
01:13:56,932 --> 01:13:58,866
- Right.
- Who has the talent...
1275
01:13:58,934 --> 01:14:04,304
to become a big singer like she is
at this time in Europe.
1276
01:14:04,373 --> 01:14:06,637
And so that's - that's, uh -
1277
01:14:06,708 --> 01:14:11,042
that's basically the overall scene.
1278
01:14:11,113 --> 01:14:14,640
Why did you insist that we come here,
of all places?
1279
01:14:14,716 --> 01:14:18,550
'Cause I love it here, and I thought
it would be easier to talk about it -
1280
01:14:18,620 --> 01:14:20,611
what's going on with me.
1281
01:14:21,824 --> 01:14:23,883
Um...
1282
01:14:23,959 --> 01:14:26,621
the H.I.V. Medication
has stopped working...
1283
01:14:26,695 --> 01:14:30,495
and, uh, I started self-medicating.
1284
01:14:30,566 --> 01:14:32,591
So, the chances are -
1285
01:14:32,668 --> 01:14:34,602
What do you mean, self-medicating?
1286
01:14:34,670 --> 01:14:38,162
- I started doing drugs again.
- Oh, Jesus.
1287
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,107
I mean - Oh, God.
1288
01:14:41,176 --> 01:14:44,737
Anyway, what I wanted to ask you was -
1289
01:14:44,813 --> 01:14:48,078
- You did what?
- Just hear me out. Okay?
1290
01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:52,553
What happened is I got involved
with, um, one of my clients.
1291
01:14:52,621 --> 01:14:55,681
She was a woman with H.I.V.
And she died.
1292
01:14:55,757 --> 01:14:58,851
She had a daughter,
and I promised her when she died...
1293
01:14:58,927 --> 01:15:01,259
that I would take care of her daughter.
1294
01:15:01,330 --> 01:15:04,891
And her daughter's
been in a group home.
1295
01:15:05,901 --> 01:15:08,927
And if I die,
she's not gonna have anybody.
1296
01:15:09,004 --> 01:15:11,939
Yeah, but what does thathave to do with me?
1297
01:15:12,007 --> 01:15:14,271
I'd like for you to meet her...
1298
01:15:14,343 --> 01:15:17,073
just to give -
just to see if you -
1299
01:15:17,145 --> 01:15:20,410
To give an estimation
of how good her voice is, or what?
1300
01:15:20,482 --> 01:15:23,576
No, just to meet her and see if there's
a connection between the two of you.
1301
01:15:23,652 --> 01:15:28,453
- And then?
- And if I should die, then she would have a -
1302
01:15:28,524 --> 01:15:30,685
she would have a place to go.
1303
01:15:30,759 --> 01:15:33,990
She'd have a place to go?
What do you mean, a place to go?
1304
01:15:34,062 --> 01:15:37,293
- With you.
- I would take her back to me -
1305
01:15:37,366 --> 01:15:39,459
- To Europe?
- Yeah.
1306
01:15:39,535 --> 01:15:42,470
She sings. She's beautiful.She reminds me of you.
1307
01:15:42,538 --> 01:15:45,939
- Why didn't you tell me this on the telephone?
- I couldn't talk about it on the phone.
1308
01:15:46,008 --> 01:15:48,442
- [Laughing]
- Just meet her.
1309
01:15:48,510 --> 01:15:50,910
- I mean -
- Just meet her, that's all.
1310
01:15:50,979 --> 01:15:54,847
- [Laughing Continues]
- See what you think.
1311
01:15:54,917 --> 01:15:57,249
Really not -
1312
01:15:57,319 --> 01:16:00,584
I mean, I really wish you'd
said this to me on the telephone.
1313
01:16:00,656 --> 01:16:03,090
- You would have had my answer.
- I couldn't-
1314
01:16:03,158 --> 01:16:05,649
My answer would have been...
1315
01:16:05,727 --> 01:16:07,661
as it is now...
1316
01:16:07,729 --> 01:16:10,027
no.
1317
01:16:10,098 --> 01:16:12,259
Short. No.
1318
01:16:14,036 --> 01:16:16,596
[Greaves]Okay. Okay.
1319
01:16:17,606 --> 01:16:21,508
Um, what -
what do you think?
1320
01:16:21,577 --> 01:16:25,240
I mean, all the -
all their improvising is great.
1321
01:16:25,314 --> 01:16:27,544
- Yeah.
- Um...
1322
01:16:29,718 --> 01:16:31,652
and I just wonder what -
1323
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,951
I mean, what is it that she thinks
that he was gonna ask her?
1324
01:16:35,023 --> 01:16:37,457
Oh, and did she say the thing about -
1325
01:16:37,526 --> 01:16:40,495
'Cause what I liked in the script
was when he asks him...
1326
01:16:40,562 --> 01:16:43,497
"I'll take care of you.
You come to Europe."
1327
01:16:43,565 --> 01:16:46,159
Yeah.
When she says that, what -
1328
01:16:46,234 --> 01:16:48,702
'Cause it seems to me -
[Clears Throat]
1329
01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:52,763
That she thinks that
he's asked her to come here...
1330
01:16:52,841 --> 01:16:55,776
because, uh, maybe he wants
to be involved with her again.
1331
01:16:55,844 --> 01:16:57,778
Yeah.
1332
01:16:57,846 --> 01:16:59,780
We were just saying -
1333
01:16:59,848 --> 01:17:02,282
I was just wondering...
1334
01:17:02,351 --> 01:17:04,285
what do you think-
1335
01:17:04,353 --> 01:17:07,083
Why do you think he brought you here?
1336
01:17:07,155 --> 01:17:10,090
I mean, you know-
I mean, you've already discussed that-
1337
01:17:10,158 --> 01:17:12,092
that he's- that you-
that he's sick.
1338
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,094
- Right?
- Yeah.
1339
01:17:14,162 --> 01:17:16,596
But this is something
we did on the telephone.
1340
01:17:16,665 --> 01:17:19,998
I know about his illness.
I don't know that he's -
1341
01:17:20,068 --> 01:17:23,469
You don't know what, specifically,he's going to talk to you about here.
1342
01:17:23,538 --> 01:17:25,472
No. No.
1343
01:17:25,540 --> 01:17:30,307
And then he tells me about this, um-
this, um, drugging- um, doing drugs.
1344
01:17:30,379 --> 01:17:32,313
Right.
1345
01:17:32,381 --> 01:17:35,544
But I sense that that is not "it."
1346
01:17:36,752 --> 01:17:38,879
You know?
That it's something else.
1347
01:17:41,556 --> 01:17:45,014
What I was saying to Bill,
and what I thought from the script...
1348
01:17:45,093 --> 01:17:47,459
- Yeah?
- Is that maybe you think...
1349
01:17:47,529 --> 01:17:51,329
that he wants to
get back together with you...
1350
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,894
and that you offered
to take him to Europe and to take care of him.
1351
01:17:55,971 --> 01:18:00,670
And so-And maybe that's-
that's really appealing to you.
1352
01:18:00,742 --> 01:18:03,006
- Right.
- But that's not what he wants.
1353
01:18:03,078 --> 01:18:05,012
Then he drops
the adopted child on you.
1354
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,049
- He - It's not what he wants at all.
- Right. Exactly.
1355
01:18:08,116 --> 01:18:10,448
[Greaves]The scene...
1356
01:18:10,519 --> 01:18:13,454
has a lot of interesting notesthat could be played.
1357
01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:15,513
- Mm-hmm.
- You know?
1358
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:17,524
By you as an actor.
1359
01:18:17,592 --> 01:18:21,528
- Don't you think so?
- Yeah. No, I think you two are great together.
1360
01:18:21,596 --> 01:18:23,530
Yeah.
1361
01:18:23,598 --> 01:18:25,532
You know,
the self-control interests me.
1362
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,795
Because you have
a coming together here...
1363
01:18:27,869 --> 01:18:31,396
that is so weighted
with old emotions...
1364
01:18:31,473 --> 01:18:34,442
and how these old emotions
trigger things.
1365
01:18:34,509 --> 01:18:36,443
[Greaves]
Yeah.
1366
01:18:36,511 --> 01:18:39,446
And the self-control of these people
is sometimes a little disconcerting to me...
1367
01:18:39,514 --> 01:18:42,415
because this self-control
is so overwhelming.
1368
01:18:42,484 --> 01:18:45,214
I thought-
or what I understood-
1369
01:18:45,287 --> 01:18:49,223
was to play more -
the subtlety of this.
1370
01:18:49,291 --> 01:18:51,225
- [Greaves] No, I understand.
- Yeah?
1371
01:18:51,293 --> 01:18:54,785
But - But you are, uh...
1372
01:18:54,863 --> 01:18:59,562
an Afro-Caribbean woman,
you know, in -
1373
01:18:59,634 --> 01:19:04,469
And there's a Latino componentto your personality...
1374
01:19:04,539 --> 01:19:07,007
where you-you explode.
1375
01:19:07,075 --> 01:19:09,009
- You know?
- [Men Laughing]
1376
01:19:09,077 --> 01:19:12,604
Let's put it this way-Tomorrow
when we do this, which we will do...
1377
01:19:12,681 --> 01:19:17,914
let's try to incorporate these elements
that are coming not just from me...
1378
01:19:17,986 --> 01:19:21,012
but from Steve
and from Jonathan...
1379
01:19:21,089 --> 01:19:23,387
uh, and let's see what happens.
1380
01:19:24,826 --> 01:19:27,386
- Okay, if I see her-
- Just-Just see her.
1381
01:19:27,462 --> 01:19:30,954
If I see her-
Just -Just a second.
1382
01:19:31,032 --> 01:19:35,093
If I see her
and it's only from a distance...
1383
01:19:35,170 --> 01:19:37,229
I'm not interested to get involved.
1384
01:19:37,305 --> 01:19:40,536
Just -Just see -
Just have a look.
1385
01:19:42,110 --> 01:19:44,578
- Okay. When?
- She's here in the park.
1386
01:19:44,646 --> 01:19:46,773
She's here in the park?
1387
01:19:46,848 --> 01:19:49,840
She's here in the park.We can take a walk.
1388
01:19:51,253 --> 01:19:53,187
From a distance.
1389
01:19:53,255 --> 01:19:57,589
Why don't you just be honest with me
and say that you've arranged it,
she's here, we're going to see her-
1390
01:19:57,659 --> 01:20:00,594
She's here with her friends.
She doesn't even know we're here.
1391
01:20:00,662 --> 01:20:04,098
She doesn't know we're here,
so there's no big deal. She's not gonna see us.
1392
01:20:04,166 --> 01:20:06,100
- Yeah?
- That's true.
1393
01:20:06,168 --> 01:20:09,103
- Yeah, good.
- Okay? We can just walk and - From a distance.
1394
01:20:09,171 --> 01:20:11,264
- Where?
- Come.
1395
01:20:15,877 --> 01:20:18,812
- [Sighs]
- You arranged it all.
1396
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,316
No, I didn't.
I didn't. Really, I didn't.
1397
01:20:22,384 --> 01:20:24,318
Yeah, but how -
1398
01:20:24,386 --> 01:20:28,584
Is this really such a coincidence
that she is in the park on the same day when -
1399
01:20:28,657 --> 01:20:31,592
- She comes here with -
- I've been such a long time in Europe -
1400
01:20:31,660 --> 01:20:34,891
She comes here with her friends, you know.
That's all.
1401
01:20:34,963 --> 01:20:37,295
I don't believe this.
1402
01:20:43,171 --> 01:20:45,571
- [Greaves] We pick them up after they-
- Hello.
1403
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,074
- I've been waiting for you.
- [Shannon] You have?
1404
01:20:48,143 --> 01:20:50,077
I have.
I've been waiting for both of you.
1405
01:20:50,145 --> 01:20:52,113
- You've been waiting for us?
- I have.
1406
01:20:52,180 --> 01:20:56,378
Hello. [Kisses]
I've been waiting for the two of you.
1407
01:20:56,451 --> 01:20:59,386
- Thirty-five years I've been waiting.
- [Shannon Chuckles]
1408
01:20:59,454 --> 01:21:02,389
- That's a long wait.
- I'm gonna work with you again.
1409
01:21:02,457 --> 01:21:04,982
- Again?
- I am. We're gonna do psychodrama.
1410
01:21:05,060 --> 01:21:06,994
- I remember. Good.
- Come on.
1411
01:21:07,062 --> 01:21:09,326
- Sorry, but I don't.
- You don't remember?
1412
01:21:09,397 --> 01:21:11,831
- No.
- We did - Do you remember?
1413
01:21:11,900 --> 01:21:14,494
- Yeah, of course.
- We did psychodrama.
1414
01:21:14,569 --> 01:21:19,006
When we -When we enhance
the characterization...
1415
01:21:19,074 --> 01:21:21,804
and we dug for the jewels...
1416
01:21:21,877 --> 01:21:25,313
in moments when the jewels
weren't forthcoming.
1417
01:21:25,380 --> 01:21:29,373
[Crowd Chattering, Cheering]
1418
01:21:33,655 --> 01:21:36,647
[Cheering, Chattering Continues]
1419
01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:41,995
Oh, it's magic.
1420
01:21:42,063 --> 01:21:44,156
Oh.
1421
01:21:44,232 --> 01:21:46,496
It's magic.
1422
01:21:46,568 --> 01:21:49,298
Well, isn't that just...
1423
01:21:49,371 --> 01:21:51,362
interesting.
1424
01:21:58,780 --> 01:22:03,274
We're going to talk about psychodrama
as a tool for the actor...
1425
01:22:03,351 --> 01:22:06,286
in enhancing the characterization.
1426
01:22:06,354 --> 01:22:09,255
For example, the line you had
just this morning...
1427
01:22:09,324 --> 01:22:11,485
saying, "No, no, no."
1428
01:22:11,559 --> 01:22:14,494
And you really-
We wanted you to get enraged.
1429
01:22:14,562 --> 01:22:16,496
Mm-hmm.
1430
01:22:16,564 --> 01:22:19,499
And it was very slowly
creeping into your voice.
1431
01:22:19,567 --> 01:22:23,560
It's just that in psychodrama
we can get to that jewel quicker...
1432
01:22:23,638 --> 01:22:26,869
by having, perhaps, a double -
somebody be you with you -
1433
01:22:26,942 --> 01:22:29,502
to go to the unspeakable feelings.
1434
01:22:29,577 --> 01:22:31,511
- Let's do it.
- Let's do it.
1435
01:22:31,579 --> 01:22:35,515
- Let's do it.
- Let's walk around and talk about it a minute.
1436
01:22:35,583 --> 01:22:37,517
Let me get between you.
1437
01:22:37,585 --> 01:22:40,019
[Voice Echoing]
And there were other moments.
1438
01:22:40,088 --> 01:22:43,421
For example, I think...
1439
01:22:43,491 --> 01:22:45,425
- you, Shannon-
- Mm-hmm?
1440
01:22:45,493 --> 01:22:47,427
Are not saying in the script-
1441
01:22:47,495 --> 01:22:51,932
You're telling her she should bethe stepmother, in a way...
1442
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:53,934
- Right.
- ToJamilla.
1443
01:22:54,002 --> 01:22:58,598
But what you're not saying is,
I want to be a father to your mother.
1444
01:22:58,673 --> 01:23:01,870
I want to have the chance
I never had before.
1445
01:23:03,044 --> 01:23:06,172
- It's - It's probably true.
- I think it's probably true.
1446
01:23:06,247 --> 01:23:08,181
[Echoing Stops]
What do you say?
1447
01:23:08,249 --> 01:23:11,184
[Audrey] Um, I don't know
in which direction this is all going.
1448
01:23:11,252 --> 01:23:13,379
- I don't understand it.
- Just follow it. Just follow it.
1449
01:23:13,455 --> 01:23:16,185
- I'm him. I'm him.
- Right. Right.
1450
01:23:16,257 --> 01:23:18,191
So I say to you...
1451
01:23:18,259 --> 01:23:22,252
I, Shannon, do not want
to sever the connection that we've got.
1452
01:23:23,431 --> 01:23:25,695
- So what are you gonna say to -
- That's the underlying -
1453
01:23:25,767 --> 01:23:28,930
Yeah. Just respond to it
as if I were Shannon.
1454
01:23:30,205 --> 01:23:33,504
- Yeah, but I don't either.
- Well, that's what you say then.
1455
01:23:33,575 --> 01:23:37,671
- [Shannon] That's what she just said.
- I don't either. I don't want to sever the connection.
1456
01:23:37,746 --> 01:23:40,146
- Right.
- Look, we've gotJamilla...
1457
01:23:40,215 --> 01:23:42,149
as a possibility.
1458
01:23:42,217 --> 01:23:45,653
You and I could be parents to that child.
That's why I'm asking you.
1459
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,348
- That's the whole point.
- That's the whole point.
1460
01:23:48,423 --> 01:23:52,086
That's why I asked you
all the way over here from -
1461
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,287
- Germany?
- From Germany.
1462
01:23:54,362 --> 01:23:56,557
- Do you believe that?
- Do you?
1463
01:23:56,631 --> 01:23:58,758
No, she doesn't believe that.
1464
01:23:58,833 --> 01:24:01,233
Okay, now I'm gonna double her.
Okay?
1465
01:24:01,302 --> 01:24:04,203
And I'm gonna be her.
So you respond to both of us.
1466
01:24:04,272 --> 01:24:06,206
Right.
1467
01:24:06,274 --> 01:24:08,242
We're not convinced because -
1468
01:24:08,309 --> 01:24:10,573
We're not convinced...
1469
01:24:10,645 --> 01:24:12,636
because...
1470
01:24:14,049 --> 01:24:18,418
I know this man from before,
and whatever-what he says -
1471
01:24:18,486 --> 01:24:20,920
- Tell him.
- I know you from before.
1472
01:24:20,989 --> 01:24:23,924
- How long ago -
- And I wanted a child with you -
1473
01:24:23,992 --> 01:24:26,552
Just shut up.
How long ago from before?
1474
01:24:26,628 --> 01:24:30,064
- Thirty-five years.
- Okay, 35 years ago is a long time ago.
1475
01:24:30,131 --> 01:24:32,065
- Thirty-five years!
- Shut up.
1476
01:24:32,133 --> 01:24:34,397
- Wait a minute -
- Don't tell me to shut up!
1477
01:24:34,469 --> 01:24:36,403
- Just a second.
- Thirty-five years ago.
1478
01:24:36,471 --> 01:24:39,406
Thirty-five years, but it's -
We're having a continuous...
1479
01:24:39,474 --> 01:24:42,409
- [Marcia] Continuous.
- Uh, on the telephone.
1480
01:24:42,477 --> 01:24:45,412
Do you think anything's happened
in 35 years?
1481
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:47,414
- Of course.
- Well? So?
1482
01:24:47,482 --> 01:24:49,916
- But I don't believe you!
- Why don't you shut up.
1483
01:24:49,984 --> 01:24:52,919
- You don't think I've changed?
- Of course you have.
1484
01:24:52,987 --> 01:24:54,978
Shut up!
1485
01:24:56,157 --> 01:24:59,024
- Yes.
- Okay. That's the whole point.
1486
01:24:59,094 --> 01:25:02,029
- What is the whole point?
- That people have changed.
1487
01:25:02,097 --> 01:25:05,726
You keep going back,
hearkening back to 35 years ago -
1488
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,236
If you stay back in 35 years ago,
then you're g -You know, you're -
1489
01:25:09,304 --> 01:25:12,034
- You're gonna make me look after her-
- And he's -And he's -
1490
01:25:12,107 --> 01:25:14,041
- Tell him!
- And you're still alive.
1491
01:25:14,109 --> 01:25:16,043
- Yeah. Right.
- You're still alive.
1492
01:25:16,111 --> 01:25:18,204
- Shut up.
- You are still alive.
1493
01:25:18,279 --> 01:25:21,214
- And you're going to dump this woman on me.
- On me!
1494
01:25:21,282 --> 01:25:23,273
- That's what you're afraid of?
- [Audrey, Marcia] Yes!
1495
01:25:23,351 --> 01:25:25,285
- Oh. Okay.
- Yes.
1496
01:25:25,353 --> 01:25:28,186
So we'll make a written agreement.
Okay?
1497
01:25:28,256 --> 01:25:31,089
Something written,
something very formal...
1498
01:25:31,159 --> 01:25:34,094
where we're both responsible
for the welfare of this child.
1499
01:25:34,162 --> 01:25:37,222
- Okay?
- Well, I'd feel more comfortable with that.
1500
01:25:37,298 --> 01:25:38,230
- There you go.
- Role reverse. Okay?
1501
01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:41,734
- I've heard a lot of these promises.
- Stop a minute.
1502
01:25:41,803 --> 01:25:44,738
- What? You haven't heard bullshit.
- Stop a minute. Stop! Stop!
1503
01:25:44,806 --> 01:25:46,740
- That's a lie.
- Freddie.
1504
01:25:46,808 --> 01:25:48,742
- That's a lie.
- That's a lie?
1505
01:25:48,810 --> 01:25:51,973
- Yeah, it is a lie.
- You promised me the earth, Freddie!
1506
01:25:52,046 --> 01:25:54,981
- You promised me the earth!
- You're an asshole.
1507
01:25:55,049 --> 01:25:56,983
- What?
- You are an asshole.
1508
01:25:57,051 --> 01:25:59,986
You have no idea what you're talking about.
She knows what we're talking about.
1509
01:26:00,054 --> 01:26:02,989
She knows I've given her plenty.
Come on. Don't bullshit me.
1510
01:26:03,057 --> 01:26:04,991
Are you Freddie now, or what?
1511
01:26:05,059 --> 01:26:06,993
No.
1512
01:26:07,061 --> 01:26:10,121
- Yeah, then we have a problem.
- We have a problem.
1513
01:26:10,198 --> 01:26:13,292
Because I'm dealing with Freddie
the whole time, and you're -
1514
01:26:13,368 --> 01:26:16,633
I'm dealing with the realityof the moment, which is-
1515
01:26:16,704 --> 01:26:20,868
- The reality of the moment -
- The moment is, things have changed in 35 years.
1516
01:26:20,942 --> 01:26:22,876
- Okay?
- Of course. Of course.
1517
01:26:22,944 --> 01:26:25,310
Freddie changed.
Freddie grows up in 35 years.
1518
01:26:25,380 --> 01:26:27,314
- Right.
- Okay? That's what happens with people.
1519
01:26:27,382 --> 01:26:29,316
- So did I.
- Yeah, but everybody changes.
1520
01:26:29,384 --> 01:26:32,820
That's what I'm - So I'm asking you
to see what's happening in the here and now.
1521
01:26:32,887 --> 01:26:34,821
That's all I'm asking you to do.
1522
01:26:34,889 --> 01:26:37,983
But the method -
the system is the same.
1523
01:26:38,059 --> 01:26:40,425
- Nothing has changed.
- Has changed!
1524
01:26:40,495 --> 01:26:43,931
- Well, if nothing has - if nothing has ch -
- And how you were 35 years ago...
1525
01:26:43,998 --> 01:26:45,932
is how you are 35 years later.
1526
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,934
That's what you see?
1527
01:26:48,002 --> 01:26:50,436
- The method -The system in which you -
- No, no, no, no.
1528
01:26:50,505 --> 01:26:53,941
- I'm asking you, is that what you see?
- From the evidence that you've given me, yes.
1529
01:26:54,008 --> 01:26:57,944
- What's the evidence?
- From how you tell me about this child.
1530
01:26:58,012 --> 01:27:00,947
You could have done this on the telephone,
but you didn't.
1531
01:27:01,015 --> 01:27:03,950
I feel scared in my soul!
I feel scared!
1532
01:27:04,018 --> 01:27:06,953
- I thought you were dying -
- Now, just a minute. This asshole -
1533
01:27:07,021 --> 01:27:10,479
- I thought you were dying. That's why I came over.
- No, you didn't.
1534
01:27:10,558 --> 01:27:13,152
You did not think that. Come on.
You thought I was sick.
1535
01:27:13,228 --> 01:27:16,322
- You sounded, on the telephone -
- I told you I was sick.
1536
01:27:16,397 --> 01:27:18,831
Yes!
Why do you think I came?
1537
01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:20,834
- She's just -
- You think I came -
1538
01:27:20,902 --> 01:27:23,336
- You know, you've got -
- Go on, tell him. Tell him.
1539
01:27:23,404 --> 01:27:26,862
- You think I came because ofher?I came because of you.!
- You've got such a fucking mouth.
1540
01:27:26,941 --> 01:27:28,875
Somebody should smack your mouth.
1541
01:27:28,943 --> 01:27:32,435
- Are you Freddie in this moment?
- In this moment? Yeah. Thirty-five years later.
1542
01:27:32,513 --> 01:27:34,447
- Good.
- I came 'cause you were ill.
1543
01:27:34,515 --> 01:27:36,449
Shut the fuck up.! What?
1544
01:27:36,517 --> 01:27:38,917
- So, I came here -
- Right.
1545
01:27:38,987 --> 01:27:40,921
Because you needed me.
1546
01:27:40,989 --> 01:27:42,923
Right.
1547
01:27:42,991 --> 01:27:44,925
- You -
- Shut the fuck up, I said.!
1548
01:27:44,993 --> 01:27:46,927
No!
I came because of you!
1549
01:27:46,995 --> 01:27:48,929
- Hey, hey, hey.
- Come on - Come on -
1550
01:27:48,997 --> 01:27:51,932
I can't take this kind of bullshit.
This is too much.
1551
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,094
I don't like it when people get upset.
I can't stand it.
1552
01:27:55,169 --> 01:27:58,332
I'm not doing it.
This is ridiculous.
1553
01:27:58,406 --> 01:28:01,466
I hate it when everybody gets -
I hate it.
1554
01:28:02,477 --> 01:28:04,707
Gonna sit down here and sulk.
1555
01:28:06,347 --> 01:28:09,077
[Marcia] And what are your feelings about it
all these years later?
1556
01:28:09,150 --> 01:28:11,084
You wanted that baby.
1557
01:28:11,152 --> 01:28:13,086
I wanted that child.
1558
01:28:13,154 --> 01:28:15,918
You know I wanted that child.
1559
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:19,016
- [Freddie] Why? Why did you want a child?
- You said -
1560
01:28:19,093 --> 01:28:23,029
What do you mean, why did I want a child?
I had a child growing on the inside of me.
1561
01:28:23,097 --> 01:28:25,827
- Yeah, but you were -
- I wanted to have this baby.
1562
01:28:25,900 --> 01:28:27,834
- Why?
- Because that's a life.
1563
01:28:27,902 --> 01:28:29,836
[Scoffs]
1564
01:28:29,904 --> 01:28:32,737
That's exactly what you did30-some years ago.
1565
01:28:32,807 --> 01:28:34,741
[Imitates Scoff]
1566
01:28:34,809 --> 01:28:36,743
This is my body.
1567
01:28:36,811 --> 01:28:39,746
When I -When I abort...
1568
01:28:39,814 --> 01:28:43,409
I aborted something
inside of me as well.
1569
01:28:44,552 --> 01:28:49,455
- Now you're telling me, "Oh, she's such a nice girl.
- No, I'm not telling -
1570
01:28:49,524 --> 01:28:52,721
Come and take her
and bring her with you to Europe."
1571
01:28:52,794 --> 01:28:54,728
- Hang on a minute.
- What?
1572
01:28:54,796 --> 01:28:57,697
- But hang on a minute.
- What?
1573
01:28:57,765 --> 01:29:00,495
- He's offering you -
- What is he offering me?
1574
01:29:00,568 --> 01:29:02,502
- What are you offering?
- No.
1575
01:29:02,570 --> 01:29:05,505
A full-grown woman
for a child of my own?
1576
01:29:05,573 --> 01:29:09,509
Listen to him.
Listen. Just listen. Be open.
1577
01:29:09,577 --> 01:29:12,944
- It's easy for you to talk.
- No, why-why should she be open?
1578
01:29:13,014 --> 01:29:17,280
Because you're offering hersomething of you in this child.
1579
01:29:17,352 --> 01:29:21,880
So? Maybe she's - Maybe she just -
You don't know -You don't -You don't know -
1580
01:29:21,956 --> 01:29:24,083
She's shut down already.
1581
01:29:24,158 --> 01:29:28,094
She's got a career. She's a successful actress.
She's got a singing career.
1582
01:29:28,162 --> 01:29:31,825
She's got everything she wants.
Why should she want to share herself with anything?
1583
01:29:31,899 --> 01:29:36,268
Exactly. Why did you drag me hereto tell me this bullshit?
1584
01:29:36,337 --> 01:29:39,204
- [Freddie] That's right. It is bullshit. Right?
- Absolutely.
1585
01:29:39,273 --> 01:29:41,207
[Freddie Laughing]
1586
01:29:41,275 --> 01:29:44,267
You know, all these years
I thought I was wrong.
1587
01:29:44,345 --> 01:29:47,280
I thought, you know,
I did something really bad...
1588
01:29:47,348 --> 01:29:50,283
that you wanted this baby,
that you wanted this chi -
1589
01:29:50,351 --> 01:29:53,286
- That is a bloody-
- Hold it a minute! Hold it a minute!
1590
01:29:53,354 --> 01:29:56,289
- I thought I was wrong!
- Don't you shout at me.
1591
01:29:56,357 --> 01:30:00,851
Yes, I will, because you
have blamed me for 35 years!
1592
01:30:00,928 --> 01:30:02,862
- You asshole.!
- Yes, you have!
1593
01:30:02,930 --> 01:30:05,160
- Asshole!
- You blame me.!
1594
01:30:05,233 --> 01:30:08,828
There are women everywhere -
they have their babies...
1595
01:30:08,903 --> 01:30:10,996
and they still have their profession!
1596
01:30:11,072 --> 01:30:14,906
- You know what?
- Don't you talk to me, you stupid -
1597
01:30:14,976 --> 01:30:16,910
- Cut! Cut.
- [Freddie] Bullshit!
1598
01:30:16,978 --> 01:30:19,412
Cut.
1599
01:30:19,480 --> 01:30:21,744
Cut. That's -
1600
01:30:21,816 --> 01:30:24,284
Um, now, then...
1601
01:30:24,352 --> 01:30:26,343
um...
1602
01:30:28,689 --> 01:30:32,147
I think that at this point -
1603
01:30:32,226 --> 01:30:34,251
I think, at this point...
1604
01:30:34,328 --> 01:30:36,421
um, if you sync -
1605
01:30:36,497 --> 01:30:39,432
- [Marcia] We can sit down?
- You can sit down.
1606
01:30:39,500 --> 01:30:41,434
[Marcia]Yeah? Talk about it again.
1607
01:30:41,502 --> 01:30:45,438
Um, you sit down next to her.
1608
01:30:45,506 --> 01:30:49,135
- [Greaves] Are you readyto go back to the script? Huh?- [Shannon] Whatever you want.
1609
01:30:49,210 --> 01:30:51,542
[Greaves]I think we'd better go back to the script.
1610
01:30:51,612 --> 01:30:53,876
- Because it's getting too physical.
- I think- I think-
1611
01:30:53,948 --> 01:30:56,883
- Go ahead.
- I think you're wanting to give her something.
1612
01:30:56,951 --> 01:30:59,886
I think all you're wanting
is her tenderness back.
1613
01:30:59,954 --> 01:31:03,515
Audrey? Audrey?
Can you come here a second?
1614
01:31:03,591 --> 01:31:06,287
But I think what's true -
what he says -
1615
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,295
I'm trying to give you something
by giving you this girl.
1616
01:31:09,363 --> 01:31:13,299
I think that's true. He's trying to give you
something by giving you this Jamilla.
1617
01:31:13,367 --> 01:31:16,302
Yeah, but I don't want to be
put under such pressure.
1618
01:31:16,370 --> 01:31:20,306
This is too much pressure.
This is not helping me at all.
1619
01:31:20,374 --> 01:31:22,308
[Marcia]Okay, so let's go back to the script.
1620
01:31:22,376 --> 01:31:24,310
Because Alice is not a crybaby.
1621
01:31:24,378 --> 01:31:28,678
Alice wants to be able to come into -
1622
01:31:28,749 --> 01:31:31,013
to make a decision at her speed.
1623
01:31:31,085 --> 01:31:34,646
[Marcia]At her speed. Yeah. Okay.
1624
01:31:34,722 --> 01:31:37,657
She's a very independent woman,
and she wants to be able to say...
1625
01:31:37,725 --> 01:31:41,923
"Okay, let me start now
making a few steps in this direction."
1626
01:31:41,996 --> 01:31:45,523
My way. My way.Not your way. Yeah. Absolutely.
1627
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:48,091
Because it's like-
[Groans]
1628
01:31:48,169 --> 01:31:51,104
- [Marcia] Right. Right. Right.
- Alice doesn't need that.
1629
01:31:51,172 --> 01:31:53,800
[Marcia] But you needthe freedom to make the decision.
1630
01:31:53,875 --> 01:31:56,776
- [Greaves] How does that sound?
- [Shannon] That's fine.
1631
01:31:56,844 --> 01:31:59,836
[Greaves]
That's wonderful. Good. Terrific.
1632
01:31:59,914 --> 01:32:03,008
How would it be
if they started it off with just a hug?
1633
01:32:03,084 --> 01:32:05,484
- Okay?
- What are we starting from?
1634
01:32:05,553 --> 01:32:08,488
An improvisation,
or are we going back to the text?
1635
01:32:08,556 --> 01:32:12,014
You're going back to the text.
1636
01:32:12,093 --> 01:32:14,721
[Marcia]
I'll get it again. I'll get it.
1637
01:32:14,795 --> 01:32:18,822
I think that would be -
that would be a very, uh...
1638
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:21,960
good entry point...
1639
01:32:22,036 --> 01:32:25,028
to get back into the text.
1640
01:32:25,106 --> 01:32:28,439
- Let's see.
- Whoops. Oh, sorry. Okay.
1641
01:32:28,509 --> 01:32:30,500
Here's the top one.
1642
01:32:31,646 --> 01:32:34,581
[Greaves] "Why should I be -"
Dah-dah-dah-dah-dah-dah-dah.
1643
01:32:34,649 --> 01:32:39,313
- Now, Freddie, will you remember these lines?
- Mm-hmm.
1644
01:32:40,421 --> 01:32:43,356
- Will you be remembering -
- Freddie, you're amazing.
1645
01:32:43,424 --> 01:32:46,484
She's lovely.
She reminds me of you.
1646
01:32:46,561 --> 01:32:48,529
- Good!
- [Marcia] Lovely. Beautiful.
1647
01:32:48,596 --> 01:32:50,860
Wonderful!
Shit, that's wonderful!
1648
01:32:50,932 --> 01:32:53,992
- [Marcia] Beautiful. Come on, let's go.
- Keep going.
1649
01:32:58,172 --> 01:33:00,106
I mean, really-
1650
01:33:00,174 --> 01:33:02,108
[Both Laughing]
1651
01:33:02,176 --> 01:33:05,111
- [Man] You out?
- I'm sorry.
1652
01:33:05,179 --> 01:33:08,615
I'm sorry I was so -
1653
01:33:08,683 --> 01:33:11,379
You know, but, God -
1654
01:33:13,721 --> 01:33:16,690
- You're asking a lot.
- I know.
1655
01:33:16,757 --> 01:33:18,748
Give her a chance.
1656
01:33:24,065 --> 01:33:29,059
How do you know I'd even be interested?
How do you know this?
1657
01:33:29,136 --> 01:33:31,263
I don't know.
I know you.
1658
01:33:31,339 --> 01:33:33,273
You're wonderful.
1659
01:33:33,341 --> 01:33:35,332
[Laughs]
You are.
1660
01:33:35,409 --> 01:33:37,468
Why don't you just see her?
1661
01:33:39,914 --> 01:33:41,905
What?
1662
01:33:43,117 --> 01:33:45,051
[Kisses]
1663
01:33:45,119 --> 01:33:47,110
Hmm?
1664
01:33:48,222 --> 01:33:50,986
What's her name?
1665
01:33:51,058 --> 01:33:53,049
Her name is Jamilla.
1666
01:34:02,937 --> 01:34:05,132
What if she doesn't like me?
1667
01:34:06,774 --> 01:34:08,708
Then we'll -
1668
01:34:08,776 --> 01:34:10,710
we'll call the whole thing off.
1669
01:34:10,778 --> 01:34:12,769
But she'll love you.
1670
01:34:15,249 --> 01:34:18,412
She can - She sees you
through my eyes already.
1671
01:34:21,589 --> 01:34:23,989
I told her a little bit about you.
1672
01:34:24,058 --> 01:34:26,993
- Oh, Freddie!
- She wanted to know -
1673
01:34:27,061 --> 01:34:30,519
She wanted to know
who I was married to.
1674
01:34:30,598 --> 01:34:35,058
Okay-You know, that's -
that's pushing it again. Really.
1675
01:34:35,136 --> 01:34:37,730
[Marathon SpectatorsCheering, Shouting, Applauding]
1676
01:34:39,073 --> 01:34:42,440
When people have asked mewhat the film is about, I say...
1677
01:34:42,510 --> 01:34:45,741
it's a study of the film acting craft...
1678
01:34:45,813 --> 01:34:47,747
as it intersects with real life.
1679
01:34:47,815 --> 01:34:50,750
Now, mostly I say that
just to satisfy their curiosity...
1680
01:34:50,818 --> 01:34:53,753
because that satisfies people
of various levels of intelligence.
1681
01:34:53,821 --> 01:34:55,948
It's complex-sounding enough
to satisfy them...
1682
01:34:56,023 --> 01:34:59,857
and they feel like it's a respectful answer
and they're satisfied.
1683
01:34:59,927 --> 01:35:04,330
But in a sense, by locating this thing
in a place where something actual is going on...
1684
01:35:04,398 --> 01:35:07,333
- [Cheering, Applauding Continue]
- Not only the random potential that we've seen...
1685
01:35:07,401 --> 01:35:10,700
which would be -
which is any huge public space like this...
1686
01:35:10,771 --> 01:35:13,205
but the specific activity
of a marathon...
1687
01:35:13,274 --> 01:35:16,209
when, really, people's consciousnessis devoted to the marathon-
1688
01:35:16,277 --> 01:35:19,212
We are a very, very small partof what's going on in New York today.
1689
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:22,215
Uh, to locate us in such a huge event...
1690
01:35:22,283 --> 01:35:25,218
with the public consciousnessso hugely focused on something else...
1691
01:35:25,286 --> 01:35:28,813
is also a way of intersecting this little projectwith something much larger than ourselves...
1692
01:35:28,889 --> 01:35:30,880
and something that's completely real.
1693
01:35:30,958 --> 01:35:32,892
- Hey.
- Hi. How are you?
1694
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,986
- This is Alice.
- Hi. Nice to meet you.
1695
01:35:36,063 --> 01:35:37,997
Hi.
1696
01:35:38,065 --> 01:35:39,999
- What's your name?
- Ade.
1697
01:35:40,067 --> 01:35:43,161
- Ade? Ade's your real name?
- [Greaves] Cut.! Cut.!
1698
01:35:43,237 --> 01:35:45,137
- Cut.! Cut.!
- I'm sorry!
1699
01:35:45,206 --> 01:35:47,265
- It's Jamilla.- I thought that-
1700
01:35:47,341 --> 01:35:49,502
I'm sorry!
[Laughing]
1701
01:35:49,577 --> 01:35:51,511
Jamilla, Jamilla, Jamilla.
1702
01:35:51,579 --> 01:35:55,345
You don't come out to meet them.
You just sit there, and then you come out.
1703
01:35:55,416 --> 01:35:58,579
- Come on, let's do it again.
- All right, this is take two.
1704
01:35:58,652 --> 01:36:01,712
- [Audrey] Good idea.
- [Cheering, Applauding Continue]
1705
01:36:04,792 --> 01:36:06,726
[Radio Beeps]
1706
01:36:06,794 --> 01:36:10,662
10-4-K. We have a film crew herefrom William Greaves Productions.
1707
01:36:10,731 --> 01:36:13,666
They have a mayor's office permit.
1708
01:36:13,734 --> 01:36:17,170
They do not have
a parks department permit for the filming.
1709
01:36:17,238 --> 01:36:20,537
Uh, but they are mentioning
a contact person. Okay?
1710
01:36:20,608 --> 01:36:23,304
- Can you give me that name again, please?
- Dana Waites.
1711
01:36:23,377 --> 01:36:25,311
[Radio Beeps]
1712
01:36:25,379 --> 01:36:27,313
10-6-K.
1713
01:36:27,381 --> 01:36:30,578
- Where, exactly, were you looking to go?
- Strawberry Fields.
1714
01:36:30,651 --> 01:36:33,313
Okay, Strawberry Fields
is totally sealed off.
1715
01:36:33,387 --> 01:36:35,321
- Really?
- [Woman] Until when?
1716
01:36:35,389 --> 01:36:39,257
- Until the end of this marathon.
- Until the end of the marathon?
1717
01:36:39,326 --> 01:36:42,318
[Cheering, Applauding Continue]
1718
01:36:55,876 --> 01:36:58,367
[No Audible Dialogue]
1719
01:37:11,325 --> 01:37:14,317
- [Cheering, Applauding Continue]
- [Faint] Where do you come from?
1720
01:37:16,263 --> 01:37:18,788
[No Audible Dialogue]
1721
01:37:29,376 --> 01:37:32,868
- [No Audible Dialogue]
- [Cheering, Applauding Continue]
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