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I don't know how to describe
Jerry Jacobson.
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Jerry had a way about him.
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You're either gonna love him or are
gonna hate him. There's no in-between.
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He can snap in a millisecond, and
you don't even know why he snapped.
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My kids did not get along with him.
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He laid hands on them
more times than I knew about.
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Jerry Jacobson was actually
my stepfather.
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He was prone to have a short fuse
and a pretty bad temper.
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The most vivid memory I have,
we're in the basement.
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I can't remember what the issue was. It
seemed insignificant to me at the time.
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And Jerry just kind of lost it.
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He picked my brother up by the head
and was bouncing his head off the wall.
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And I was in the room more scared
and hoping it didn't turn towards me,
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'cause I didn't understand it
at the time.
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I stepped in between them,
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and I told Michael, my oldest one,
to run out the front door.
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And I remember yelling out the front
window, "Just run, Michael, run."
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And Michael was like nine at the time.
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That was the reason we split up.
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We didn't communicate
after we split up.
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I was still a cop, but he would show up
on my police calls.
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All of a sudden I looked around
and there he is.
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Nobody knew how he knew
where my police calls were.
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He was just there.
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He made people afraid of him.
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He had a .45, 'cause that's what
we carried in Hollywood,
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and was trading gun parts.
And he told me this himself,
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because he was gonna shoot me
and then put his gun back together
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so that if they ran ballistics on it,
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it wouldn't show that the bullet
came from that gun.
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He's a bad man, okay?
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And I know what he had my husband do.
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My husband pointed a shotgun
at somebody's head
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by the order of Jerome Jacobson
to collect some money.
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And that's not the first time.
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He is not some sweet, little old man
sick. He's a freaking gangster.
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Gangster. And I'm not afraid if
he's got a bullet with my name on it.
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We all got to go some time.
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There was a rumor going around
that it could have been a possible hit
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to get my brother out of the situation.
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- Could it have been?
- I don't know.
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MCMILLIONS
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I was pushed against the wall
covered in blood.
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I remember looking this way, and there
was a policeman and a fireman there.
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And I said, "Give me Frankie, my son."
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Jerry had just taken Frankie
out of the car seat
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so he could lay down to take a nap
'cause he was getting cranky.
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They said, "Mrs. Colombo, stay still.
We'll cut you out with a Jaws of Life."
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I said, "That's my son."
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And as soon as they cut me out
and took me out,
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the pain just went all through my body,
and I just screamed.
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And I could look over,
and I saw my son sucking a lollipop.
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So I knew he was okay.
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Jerry actually crawled out of the car
with no blood on him.
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The telephone rings.
"Oh, hey, Jerry. How are you?"
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"Oh, I'm okay. We got into an accident.
We're being airlifted to the hospital."
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I said, "Are you sure you're alright?"
And he said, "Yeah, I'm fine,"
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like nothing at all was wrong.
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I got the call at work,
and raced up there to the hospital.
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He was in ICU, and they had him
hooked up to all these machines.
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And Robin had I think, five to six
stitches on top of her head.
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She had cut her head.
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Frankie's arm was broken, and he had,
I think, a bump on his nose.
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Most of the force of the truck
hit the passenger's door.
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But it seemed like he was gonna be okay
which was odd because he's in ICU.
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My brother said he had 15 or
20 thousand dollars in the glove box,
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and then a couple hundred thousand
dollars in a suitcase
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in Robin's mom and dad's home
in Jacksonville
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and told me, "Take care of that one."
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So we went to the junkyard,
and there was nothing in there.
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Everything was gone.
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And the money
in the house disappeared.
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Everyone claims
that it was never there.
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Jerry would not tell me that he had
money at the house if he didn't.
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So then I took it upon myself
to go to his house.
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He made a little detour.
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I made a little detour without anyone
knowing, and made some things disappear
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because I knew
things were getting really ugly.
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I got a couple of items
out of his freezer.
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He had about four, five tickets.
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Not sure if Robin knew
they were in there or not,
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but I didn't want Robin to have access
to those tickets.
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I was not sure
if the accident was an accident.
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Was it a setup? We didn't know.
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It could have been a hit.
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I really believe that.
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I don't have any proof of that,
but I'm thinking something went wrong.
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And I was feeling it
and I got that impression,
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because Jerry was getting
a little on edge,
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'cause the pressure was on him
from someone. You know what I mean?
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Something was different.
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Being a big guy,
when they put him into ICU,
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they didn't realize he had
internal damage.
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So they were treating him
for his broken leg,
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and they didn't catch
the internal damage that he had.
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When they caught it, they realized his
lung collapsed, his ribs were broken.
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Up to that time, he was joking.
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It was lighthearted.
He did not seem like he was in shock.
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Even till this day, I'm astonished.
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Astonished that the man
was actively dying.
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He was in and out of consciousness.
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He had a ventilator, he wasn't able to
talk. They had him on these machines.
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Robin literally came a couple of times
to visit, and that was pretty much it.
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The only thing Robin was always worried
about was, "I got to get to the house."
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My sister-in-law
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didn't give a rat's ass about my
brother while he was in the hospital.
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One of the reasons why Robin
didn't come around though, also,
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there was a fight.
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Jerry's mother basically, "You did this
on purpose. You did this."
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Her swearing up and down, "I didn't do
it on purpose. I didn't set this up."
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If it was in fact, and if there was any
proof she was involved with that...
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- She wouldn't be here right now.
- I can guarantee you.
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The last few days, it was me,
my brother, my mom, and dad.
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And the last words that he said,
he mouthed them to my mom,
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"Happy Mothers' Day."
'Cause it was Mothers' Day.
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And once that happened, his body just
started shutting down little by little.
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There was nothing that no one can do.
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And the last couple hours, everyone was
in the waiting room, but I was like,
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"I'm not gonna leave my brother's side
and leave him in the room by himself."
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So I stood there. I sat next to him.
I kept talking to him.
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Till this day, I don't know if he heard
me or not, but I held his hand
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and I stayed there until
the last monitor went down.
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Till this day, I don't regret it
because he didn't die by himself.
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I made sure that I was there.
I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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Usually, I don't cry.
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I couldn't let him sit there
by himself. I couldn't do it.
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I stayed there with him.
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Hardest thing I've ever done in my life
but the best thing I've ever done too.
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He always wanted his son, Francesco,
to be in karate, and this and that.
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And I promised him I was gonna help
take care of him.
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"I'm gonna look over your son, make
sure he grows up to be a good kid."
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And I promised him that he'd be okay.
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"It's okay. I'll take care of him.
I'll watch over him."
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And if he was hearing me,
I just want him to know that
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the one thing he really cared about
was his son.
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And that was it.
I just want to be sure that he knew.
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His heart stopped
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because
he didn't react to the medication.
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Were you there?
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No, I wasn't actually at the hospital
because I was...
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I really didn't think he was gonna die.
You don't think it.
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It was early in the morning.
My mother got the call.
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And she told me, and I just lost it.
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Yeah.
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It was so horrific.
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And that was that.
So I had the guilt of driving,
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the guilt of losing my husband,
and my son losing his father.
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It was just too much to bear.
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My name is Francesco Gennaro Colombo.
Named after Gennaro Colombo.
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And that was my dad, Jerry,
who was being...
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Everybody's talking about him now
'cause in the 90s he's
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one of the guys
who ran the McDonald's Monopoly scam.
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So I'm his son.
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Give daddy a punch.
Give daddy a karate kick.
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That's no good.
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When he got in the accident, three days
before my birthday, I was two.
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I was in the backseat.
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And one thing that always stood out
for me
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is my mom said that
my dad took me out of the car seat.
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Minutes later, we got in the accident,
and that car seat was crushed.
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So if they wouldn't have done that
then I wouldn't be here right now.
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My grandma, my nana, she showed me
a picture of the accident.
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I believe I was like nine or ten.
And that traumatized me.
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It's not something a kid should see.
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Especially if that's the car their dad
was in, and that's why he's dead.
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There you go.
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There you go. All right.
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My whole life, I've always known that
there was something missing.
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And I always felt that that was my dad.
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And then the moment that she came into
my life, it was instantly filled.
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Since I didn't know him,
I felt like he didn't know me.
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But now that I have a kid, I... So much
happened in this first year.
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I guess this one. You like this?
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I'm sitting there playing with her,
and... Every day I think about my dad.
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I promised my brother that I was gonna
help take care of his son, Francesco.
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But there was a lot of things back then
that happened.
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There was a fight over custody
of Francesco.
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My family didn't want us to be any part
of Francesco's life whatsoever.
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We were both devastated.
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Last I heard, he's had a baby and so
forth and so on. I wish him the best.
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I want him to know that we desperately
did try to be part of his life.
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My dad, honestly, I don't have
physical memories of him,
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but I have a lot of memories
from seeing home videos.
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- Say, "Hi. I'm Frankie."
- Frankie.
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Laugh. Oh, say Frank,
"I don't feel good." Be sad.
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That's who I remember.
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I don't see this mobster guy who did
all these things. I just see my dad.
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Before I knew it, he was gone.
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I just didn't even know
what to think anymore.
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I wasn't thinking about the money.
I was just thinking,
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"Oh, my God. What am I going to do?
What am I gonna do?"
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I don't have anyone to talk to. I don't
have anyone to go to. It's just me.
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After my brother passed away,
a week and a half afterwards,
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everything was gone in his house.
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All of the antiques.
All of the furniture.
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He had Mickey Mantle cards,
Babe Ruth cards.
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He had so many things in that house.
Everything disappeared.
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And Robin claimed that, "Oh, we got
robbed while we were in the hospital."
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Really?
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I think Robin, as well as friends of
hers, stole everything from my brother.
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All his jewelry, gone.
All his furniture, gone.
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- There was nothing.
- They robbed him blind.
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We heard your house with Jerry got
robbed and everything got cleaned out.
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- Did that happen?
- Yeah. Yeah.
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There is a bunch of...
We had a casino.
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And they got all our slot machines.
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- This happened right after his death?
- Yeah.
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- Who did this, what happened?
- I don't know. I didn't care.
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When you lose... you don't think about,
you don't give a shit.
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I didn't give a shit about that stuff,
at all.
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He wasn't messing with the most savory
kind of people, you know?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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My grandparents did put point blame
at my mom. And that's not cool.
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She lost her husband. You know,
she lost her soul mate.
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I, 100%, don't believe that was
something that she did on purpose.
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Robin had lived the lavish lifestyle
when she was married to Jerry.
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She had the money. She had the car. She
had the big house. She had everything.
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Once Jerry passed away, that money,
that cash cow you may call it, is gone.
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So now, at this point, Robin's hungry
for that money,
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so she literally would do anything
at all to have the money.
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Spin the Wheel of Justice.
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Let's spin the wheel
and see who it lands on this week.
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We've come up on Ms. Colombo. She's
been on the wheel a couple of weeks.
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Okay. Robin Colombo's wanted
for grand theft auto.
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If you know where she is or any of
the suspects on the wheel,
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please call Crime Stoppers.
That number is 866-845-TIPS.
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- Officer Hartley, thank you.
- Always a pleasure.
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So she started doing check fraud.
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She would get checks that were unworthy
and no money to back them.
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And she would write them out and cash
them. And she got caught for that.
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I remember Francesco explaining this,
as young as he was,
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about how he would go into a store
and his mom would tell him
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to pick up a $200, $300 pocket book
and just carry it out,
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because the security
wouldn't stop a child.
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Or if they did, it was,
"Oh, put that down, Francesco."
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Yeah. "That's not yours."
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She was training him at a very young
age 'cause she needed that money.
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I went to prison.
I was trying to keep up the lifestyle.
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Uncle Jerry never even contacted me
after Jerry, my husband, died. Nope.
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I don't... Yeah.
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I'll admit. The first couple of days,
I had tickets in my hand. I'm like,
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"Should I take over his business now?"
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- Because I could've easily...
- He could've.
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I could've easily went to Uncle Jerry
and say, "Hey let's continue this."
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I could've easily kept it going.
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But I didn't, 'cause I didn't wanna
look over my shoulder.
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I thought they had it stopped
when my brother passed away.
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So I wasn't gonna use them, give them
to anybody, or try to sell them.
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I just destroyed them, hoping that
it was never gonna be found out.
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That was my goal.
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I said my whole life, you can get away
with something over and over and over,
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you only got to be caught once.
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You get caught once, you're done.
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At this point,
Operation Final Answer was moving fast.
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Everything was on the table.
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It's like a factory. Everybody's
working. Everybody's writing.
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They're reviewing tapes. It's a whole
elaborate team effort process.
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In order to do this scam,
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Jerry Jacobson needed
what we refer to as middlemen.
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One of the early middleman was Jerry
Colombo who died in a car accident.
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Okay. Now what?
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The one thing that was still out there
was really how mechanically is,
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is Jerry Jacobson doing this.
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And that was kind of this
nagging question mark.
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We were just building the puzzle
from all the pieces,
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and they were so many different pieces
that we were putting together.
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We were working a lot with the Atlanta
division who had a surveillance team.
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Like in the movies, guys parked in cars
or following with binoculars, cameras,
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painting the picture of this guy,
his background, and who he was.
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Undercover tapes
and the video were coming in.
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Conversations on the wiretap were
coming in. Lot of moving parts.
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Jerry was paranoid.
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He's been talking about his phone being
tapped ever since we were in Florida.
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He would always say, "Don't say that.
Our phones might be tapped.
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Somebody might be listening. You never
know who's gonna hear you."
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And one day, we were just chitchatting,
and I said something.
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I didn't think it was a big deal
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and he said,
"Watch out. Don't say it like that."
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So in a few minutes, I finally say,
"Hey, Jerry,
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when did you tell Leo
to go kill the President?"
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And he hung up on me.
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I'm thinking to myself,
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"Why do you think somebody
would find you so interesting
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that they would wanna
tap your phones?"
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Jerry Jacobson was controlling
all the pieces at that point,
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so he needed to replace Colombo
as quickly as possible.
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Identification of sources
that he could use of recruiters
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became his fulltime job.
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One of the middle men, AJ Glomb, came
on the radar, screened fairly early.
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After Colombo died, Glomb had
a number of telephonic conversations
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with Jerry Jacobson. And we follow
where the evidence leads you.
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My name is Andrew Glomb.
I go by AJ.
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One day a friend of mine called me up
and he said,
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"I have something you might be
interested in. Write down this number,
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and go to a phone booth and call me."
I was like, "Oh, no, no."
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I said, "I had enough of that
in my life!
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Come on, I just got off probation
a couple years ago."
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I had just finished up a drug sentence
and I didn't want anything to happen.
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How did you get into selling drugs?
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Actually, that's one of the best parts
of the whole story.
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First time I ever did any kind of
drugs was with Harold Robbins,
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a writer.
And we were in Monte Carlo.
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And he had a bunch of girls. Women
that were talking... And his books.
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Whenever they were having sex,
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they always did amyl nitrate
before they had an orgasm.
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And so I said,
"Harold, do you have amyl nitrate?"
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He said, "Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You want some?" I said, "Yeah."
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I didn't know what I was doing.
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So I'm sitting there and this girl
says, "Let's dance."
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I said, "All right. Oh, my God.
Oh, my God. Oh, my God."
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Everybody said, "What's wrong?
What's wrong?" I said, "I don't know."
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So I called my friend. I said,
"Steve, get me out of here."
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So that was my first thing with drugs.
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So how I got into selling them...
I had a cousin. He says,
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"Can you get me some Quaaludes?"
"So let me ask one of my buddies."
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I said,
"Steve, can you get Quaaludes?"
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He said, "Yeah. How many you want?"
And I said, "I don't know."
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I said "How much are they?" He said,
"Well, how much do you wanna make?"
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I said, How much is there to make?"
So that's how I got into drugs.
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And then in 1982,
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I had sent some drugs out to a friend
of mine, a customer of mine.
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They were selling to somebody
who was on the hook to the DEA.
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And they followed him to the airport.
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Next thing you know boom,
DEA comes out of everywhere.
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So I got twelve years
for six ounces of cocaine.
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I was supposed to report to
Montgomery, Alabama.
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And they gave me 30 days or 60 days
to report,
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so I just didn't report.
I waited till like almost the last day.
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And then I took off for New York
for 16 months.
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I was a fugitive.
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You're always worried.
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Looking over your shoulder every time
you see two guys with suits on.
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You think it's over.
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It's like, this could be your last day
before you go to jail,
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so just live it to the fullest.
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So it's like a movie.
You're living a movie.
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But then I bought a Ferrari in Germany,
and I shipped it to Long Beach.
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Anyway, I got arrested
in a doughnut shop in San Diego.
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When I got out of prison,
my friend Don Hart called me and said
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that he had something that I might be
interested in. This Monopoly game.
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I was very skeptical, and I told him,
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"You know, Don,
I just got off a parole."
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I said, "I don't think I wanna
know anything about it."
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And then probably two or three days
later, I said,
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"Let's meet and we'll talk about it."
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00:28:00,130 --> 00:28:04,810
Don was one of my best friends for,
oh, jeez, 40 some years.
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Very wealthy.
He was very well-respected.
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And he had a friend
that had access to tickets.
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I said, "Why would the guy give you,
of all people in the world,
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a ticket like this?"
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He says, "'cause he knows I'm not gonna
screw him out of anything."
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00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:23,700
And it made sense.
I said, "Yeah. You're right."
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He said, "You know, they need winners."
He says, "I have one,
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a ticket that you could cash in for
a million dollars, and we'll share it."
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When somebody offers you a million
dollars, you're gonna take it.
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Unless you got to kill somebody,
then you might not... be interested.
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But I start thinking about it. I said,
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"I better not do this to myself.
I don't want to go back to prison."
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So I had a friend in San Diego.
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I got a plane and flew to San Diego
the next day.
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And then I ran it by him, told him
how it worked and everything.
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00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:09,040
And we were gonna split it three ways:
me, Don Hart, and Stanley,
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who I was giving the ticket to.
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00:29:11,290 --> 00:29:13,620
And I remember he told me
the manager said,
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"The last time somebody won,
they gave the ticket to St. Jude."
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00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,890
So Stanley says,
"Well, it's not happening this time.
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It's not going to anybody except me."
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So that was it.
So he mailed it in and after that,
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I made several trips out to California
to get the money from him.
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After Stanley was Richard Sokolski,
I believe.
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Victor Marcitello was the third person
I gave a ticket to.
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I met him in prison in West Virginia.
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00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:56,330
The next was Stan Warwick in Chicago,
1999.
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00:29:56,420 --> 00:30:03,050
Stan was a heart transplant recipient
and these newscasters said,
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00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:09,510
there's a guy with a heart transplant
eating McDonald's.
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00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,640
- Free food.
- Yup. We have free food.
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00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,940
- And another free sandwich.
- Yeah, there you go.
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00:30:15,020 --> 00:30:17,520
I'm too nervous. I can't do this.
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00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:24,990
I don't think I met Jerry until
halfway through all these people.
382
00:30:26,110 --> 00:30:30,660
It must've been in '99 at Don's party.
383
00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:32,040
What was your first impression of
meeting him?
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00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,620
Nothing. I didn't think nothing on it.
To sort of non-descript.
385
00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:40,670
Then eventually,
Don didn't wanna be involved.
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00:30:40,750 --> 00:30:45,010
He says I don't want no money.
I don't want anything. I'm out of this.
387
00:30:45,090 --> 00:30:49,800
It was just me and Jerry trying to get
other people involved.
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00:30:49,890 --> 00:30:55,060
But I can honestly say I never had
a close relationship with him.
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00:30:56,430 --> 00:31:01,480
Turned out Andrew Glomb
was a large recruiter.
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00:31:01,570 --> 00:31:08,360
Had provided quite a few, had enriched
himself and Uncle Jerry,
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he had a wide net there of individuals
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00:31:11,950 --> 00:31:14,870
who were willing to participate
in this fraud scheme.
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00:31:19,670 --> 00:31:22,170
So when we're on the phones,
we need to be on the recruiters
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00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:25,760
and that's where we were focusing
our investigation.
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00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,220
Everybody got a bill every month with
all the long distance calls you made.
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00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:32,010
And I remember looking
at the toll records.
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00:31:32,180 --> 00:31:35,020
On one part of the ledger is all
your winners and their phone numbers
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00:31:35,180 --> 00:31:37,930
then on the other end of the ledger,
Jerry Jacobson.
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00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:42,060
And of the hundreds of calls that
each made, there would be,
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00:31:42,150 --> 00:31:44,440
"Wow, they're both calling
a common number. Look at that.
401
00:31:44,610 --> 00:31:49,570
We have this winner has called
AJ Glomb. So has Jerry Jacobson."
402
00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:52,410
But yeah, that's how we started finding
other middle men.
403
00:31:52,570 --> 00:31:55,700
So then you start looking at
Dwight Baker.
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00:32:12,010 --> 00:32:14,470
Gorgeous subdivision.
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00:32:14,890 --> 00:32:17,350
I developed it in '87, '88.
406
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:21,270
Well, half a million, about 450 or not.
407
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,900
I owned all this property on the left
at one time.
408
00:32:23,980 --> 00:32:27,650
I was gonna build a little golf course
in here.
409
00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:31,650
I'm Dwight Baker. Developer.
Got a real estate broker's license
410
00:32:31,740 --> 00:32:34,910
and builder's license and developed
quite a number of projects,
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00:32:34,990 --> 00:32:38,620
probably over 1400 different acres
in South Carolina.
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00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:44,420
I met Jerry.
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00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:48,130
When I sold Jerry a piece of property
in a subdivision
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00:32:48,210 --> 00:32:50,920
and ended up building him a house
and a dock.
415
00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:54,140
Then I sold him a couple lots
in another subdivision.
416
00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:58,810
Right below that sign there are
the two lots Jacobson owned.
417
00:32:58,970 --> 00:33:03,350
Right here.
It's this property here.
418
00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:08,360
I don't know
if there's houses on them now or not.
419
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,030
My family
420
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:18,120
probably not gonna be happy with me
sitting here and telling this story.
421
00:33:19,450 --> 00:33:23,920
We were all LDS,
which was Latter Day Saint family.
422
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,040
And I had a high profile
in the community.
423
00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:31,630
You try to live a good life.
You try to do what's right.
424
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,930
One of my biggest regret is being
involved in this McDonald's thing.
425
00:33:36,090 --> 00:33:39,720
Yeah, I shouldn't have been involved
in it.
426
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,980
Yup.
427
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:47,980
At that time, I was so successful that
428
00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:50,860
one day I jumped on a motor grader
429
00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:54,490
and had an accident.
430
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,450
I was backing up the hill
when it was stalled out.
431
00:34:03,290 --> 00:34:05,250
And I went into the big pile of rock.
432
00:34:09,380 --> 00:34:11,630
Put me in the hospital 10 days.
433
00:34:11,710 --> 00:34:16,050
That's when Jerry first let me know
what he did.
434
00:34:16,130 --> 00:34:19,050
And it was quite interesting.
435
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:27,850
He called me while I was recuperating
from the accident
436
00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:31,440
and asked me if I wanted to ride up
the mountain. I said,
437
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,650
"Y'all have to pull up to the door
because I got a walker."
438
00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:39,990
So he pulls up to the back door
and we go riding up the mountain.
439
00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:49,000
He said he was representing McDonald's
in the distribution of the game pieces.
440
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,880
He knew I was going through
a tough time.
441
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,130
So he offered me a game piece
if I had a hundred thousand dollars.
442
00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:58,260
I didn't have a hundred thousand,
443
00:34:58,430 --> 00:35:01,890
so, he said, "Listen, if you want one,
it's a hundred thousand dollars.
444
00:35:01,970 --> 00:35:04,100
It's the only way you're gonna get
one." He said,
445
00:35:04,180 --> 00:35:07,100
"I have the responsibility of
distributing, they tell me where to go.
446
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:10,770
So if you want a game piece,
this is how it's done."
447
00:35:10,860 --> 00:35:15,610
This is the subdivision we were in,
traded game pieces and gave him money.
448
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:21,320
It is a secluded place, yeah.
It's a secluded place.
449
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:26,450
I knew he was selling game pieces. And
maybe he was doing something illegal.
450
00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:31,040
And I ask him, "Jerry, what happens if
McDonald's finds out about it?"
451
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:33,880
He said, "They're not gonna do anything
about it." I said, "Why is that?"
452
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,720
He said, "Because these game pieces
increase their sales by seven percent
453
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,840
out of twenty-six thousand stores.
454
00:35:39,930 --> 00:35:43,850
Factoring in a million-dollar game
piece on that kind of money,
455
00:35:43,930 --> 00:35:47,850
eighty-nine million, a hundred million
dollars. They didn't care.
456
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:49,890
If somebody got it, they didn't care
if it went in the trash.
457
00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:52,110
They didn't care about it.
It was factored in."
458
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:54,900
That was his story. I bought it.
459
00:35:56,570 --> 00:36:01,700
I didn't believe there was anything
other than we were cheating in a game.
460
00:36:01,780 --> 00:36:07,540
I don't know if it was the oxycodone
from the accident, but I took my part.
461
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:11,330
I didn't know if I was ever gonna walk
again, let alone, work again.
462
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:16,170
"I don't have a hundred thousand,
but I might know somebody that does."
463
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:19,090
Breakfast, lunch, or dinner.
There's always a line.
464
00:36:19,170 --> 00:36:21,930
- Hey, a Big Mac combo please.
- Yeah.
465
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,760
Serving over 13 million McDonald's
customers each year in the US,
466
00:36:26,850 --> 00:36:32,270
double that globally. So you can
imagine how rare it is to see this.
467
00:36:34,060 --> 00:36:37,070
George Chandler of Walhalla
just won a million dollars
468
00:36:37,150 --> 00:36:41,400
in the Hatch, Match, and Win game
right here in West Union.
469
00:36:41,490 --> 00:36:43,200
And Chandler was all smiles.
470
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,620
My breakfast, I got my hash browns
and coffee,
471
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:52,620
filled it off,
and there it was.
472
00:36:56,090 --> 00:37:01,170
Oh, beautiful for spacious skies.
473
00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:05,970
For amber waves of grain.
474
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:10,730
For purple mountain majesties.
475
00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:12,810
Come on over here, girls.
476
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:17,480
Across the fruited plain.
477
00:37:17,650 --> 00:37:20,480
America.
Come on.
478
00:37:20,570 --> 00:37:23,070
America.
479
00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:26,950
God shed his grace on thee.
480
00:37:27,530 --> 00:37:30,200
Just like that. See? They like it.
481
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,920
From sea to shining sea.
482
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,130
We should've brought some more feed
to the girls.
483
00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:42,050
I'm a pretty lucky guy.
484
00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:44,930
It's not within my personal capacity
485
00:37:45,010 --> 00:37:49,180
to have achieved a lot of things
I've been able to do in life.
486
00:37:49,260 --> 00:37:53,520
I don't know, they say God looks after
fools and children.
487
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:58,980
I don't know which category I fall
into, but it's one of them.
488
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:04,030
All right. Where do we go from here?
489
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:13,200
I'm George Chandler. I grew up in
abject poverty. I was raised Mormon.
490
00:38:13,290 --> 00:38:18,250
One of eight kids and we grew up here
in rural Oconee County, South Carolina,
491
00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:22,250
and we were poor. I didn't have
running water until 1986.
492
00:38:22,340 --> 00:38:26,510
We're not talking about ancient history
here, we're talking about 1986.
493
00:38:26,590 --> 00:38:31,510
Most people have running water at that
point and we were still using a well.
494
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:32,720
What do you think?
495
00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:35,020
Dwight was very successful.
496
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:39,810
He had a family and he had five kids.
I became friends with his son.
497
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:43,610
And when I was about 12, I left home
498
00:38:43,690 --> 00:38:49,740
and Dwight Baker was foster father
to me for a time.
499
00:38:49,820 --> 00:38:55,790
Well, George and I, we went to church
together, families so we took him in.
500
00:38:55,870 --> 00:39:00,080
We became foster parents for George
and he grew up with our kids.
501
00:39:00,250 --> 00:39:04,170
Being in such a big family
and being poor especially,
502
00:39:04,340 --> 00:39:08,510
why would I not wanna move in
with Dwight?
503
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:16,230
He drove a BMW and had
those successful characteristics
504
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:18,270
that I wanted.
505
00:39:19,810 --> 00:39:23,270
George has always been highly special.
506
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:29,490
He wanted just to absorb knowledge,
absorb anything you could teach him.
507
00:39:29,570 --> 00:39:34,330
He knew if he's gonna get out,
he needed to work hard.
508
00:39:34,410 --> 00:39:38,460
When I was 15 years old, I quit school.
509
00:39:38,540 --> 00:39:42,590
I grown a moustache to make me look
older and called some local employers
510
00:39:42,670 --> 00:39:46,090
that I was 18
and I immediately went to work.
511
00:39:46,170 --> 00:39:48,970
I worked sixteen hours a day
instead of eight.
512
00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:53,470
That proved to work for me
and became an entrepreneur.
513
00:39:53,550 --> 00:39:57,350
Communications company, septic system
installers, security company,
514
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,730
medical alarm monitoring, industrial
programming, residential rentals,
515
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:01,980
commercial rentals.
516
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:05,650
I probably would've been a millionaire
by the time I was 25.
517
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:10,570
So when Dwight came to me
with a ticket,
518
00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:16,120
he knew that I was in a position that
I had some cash to work with.
519
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,790
This is a million-dollar winning ticket
520
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:25,340
and he's got it in a Ziploc sandwich
bag that's not even zipped
521
00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:30,420
and he lays it down on my desk,
and I take it out, look at it.
522
00:40:30,510 --> 00:40:34,890
It just says one million dollar winner,
call 1-800 whatever.
523
00:40:36,510 --> 00:40:41,190
I said, "A friend got this million
dollar game piece from McDonald's."
524
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:45,270
"He's going through divorce."
I said, "He offered to sell it to me."
525
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,280
"I'll split it with her and pay the
taxes." I said, "I'll sell it for 100K"
526
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,360
Because he's going through a divorce
527
00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:57,830
and he doesn't think the ticket
should be considered marital property.
528
00:40:57,910 --> 00:41:02,960
With Dwight's friend, I didn't know
this guy from Adam, never met him.
529
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,170
But I had already gone through
a very bitter divorce myself.
530
00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:10,760
So I felt like it was
a legitimate concern.
531
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,590
He was already separated
532
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,470
and it wasn't like he had this
while he was happily married.
533
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,310
Why did you think you'd have to tell
a divorce story,
534
00:41:19,390 --> 00:41:22,560
instead of just telling him
what Jerry told you?
535
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,940
Well, because...
536
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,690
I didn't want him to know
I was involved in it,
537
00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:35,200
in something that wasn't real.
538
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,870
That had a tent of...
539
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:42,080
I knew Jerry has done something wrong,
540
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:47,040
it didn't feel like it was the right
thing to do for me to be involved.
541
00:41:47,130 --> 00:41:51,090
But yeah, I did it
out of expediency maybe
542
00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:56,050
and I just tried to protect him
from the truth of it.
543
00:41:56,140 --> 00:42:00,180
Because if it did backfire
and it wasn't going... it wasn't right,
544
00:42:00,260 --> 00:42:04,310
he didn't need to have any knowledge
of anything.
545
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:08,020
I took that all on my shoulders.
So...
546
00:42:09,150 --> 00:42:11,150
He basically asked me,
547
00:42:11,230 --> 00:42:15,860
would I be interested in buying the
ticket from them and then redeeming it.
548
00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:18,780
Everybody was collecting the tickets.
549
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:21,580
They're buying and selling
these tickets on the internet.
550
00:42:21,660 --> 00:42:25,250
Not million-dollar winners,
but certainly prize-winning tickets
551
00:42:25,330 --> 00:42:29,000
and ones that matchup
like Boardwalk and Park Place.
552
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,420
I told Dwight, "Yeah, I'll probably do
a hundred thousand dollars."
553
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:36,840
You win $50,000 a year for 20 years.
554
00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:41,760
And I had to pay taxes on this money,
so I had to figure that in my mind
555
00:42:41,850 --> 00:42:45,480
but I felt like somewhere along,
about the third year, I would start...
556
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,810
I'll gain something. It wasn't a
tremendously beneficial thing,
557
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:53,110
it wasn't like I was just gonna get
this huge pile of money.
558
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:56,610
But it was nonetheless
still a good business decision,
559
00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:59,280
a good business deal. So I did it.
560
00:43:02,530 --> 00:43:06,330
We were up on Dwight's firm
and then we start to figure out,
561
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:10,500
"Is there anything with this person,
George Chandler?" Yeah.
562
00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:12,130
There might be something there.
563
00:43:12,210 --> 00:43:15,050
Many times, we thought, "Well,
how much bigger can this get?"
564
00:43:15,130 --> 00:43:16,170
And it would get bigger,
565
00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:19,300
"How much further back could it go?"
And it would go back further.
566
00:43:19,470 --> 00:43:22,390
I had never seen anything like that
and still haven't.
567
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:37,280
What Jerry did with other people,
as far as the money goes, I don't know.
568
00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:47,790
To the best of my knowledge,
all of mine, I believe, were 50,000.
569
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:50,580
You could go down this list.
570
00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:54,840
I had one, two, three, four, eight,
nine, ten winners.
571
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,760
Out of giving away $10 million dollars,
572
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,390
I made $614,000.
573
00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:06,600
So how stupid am I?
574
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:14,730
Then we come to Michael Hoover.
575
00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:19,990
August 2001.
576
00:44:20,530 --> 00:44:24,410
Michael Hoover was one of
the most generous people we ever met,
577
00:44:24,570 --> 00:44:29,160
a great, great friend, just real
easygoing, nothing bothered him.
578
00:44:29,250 --> 00:44:32,250
He sold a lot of drugs.
579
00:44:33,460 --> 00:44:39,840
That's how we became friends. I used to
go out to Vegas back in the '70s
580
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:42,880
and Mike was a dealer.
581
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,850
I called him, I said, "I got something
that you might be interested in."
582
00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:53,270
I picked up the ticket from Jerry
in Atlanta.
583
00:44:53,350 --> 00:44:56,150
And so I went up there and gave him
the ticket.
584
00:44:59,860 --> 00:45:03,700
He claimed the ticket and they did
the filming with the commercial.
585
00:45:03,780 --> 00:45:06,620
This is where I lost
my People Magazine.
586
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:09,910
I'm glad that after the beach,
I stopped and picked up another one.
587
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,920
He called me and said, this production
company did the commercial.
588
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,340
"This girl is really hot.
I think she really liked me."
589
00:45:17,420 --> 00:45:21,840
I said, "Oh, great."
I didn't think nothing out of it.
590
00:45:23,260 --> 00:45:27,470
In the wire room, we're listening
some of those phone calls to Hoover.
591
00:45:27,550 --> 00:45:32,230
Glomb was on the other side going,
"Really? What did she look like?"
592
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:36,060
I think all of the winners thought
I really liked them,
593
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:39,400
that's the kind of person I am.
I was interviewing them like a friend,
594
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,150
so it was my job to make sure that
they felt comfortable.
595
00:45:45,820 --> 00:45:49,080
She was sick to her stomach.
That was her reaction and she goes,
596
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:53,620
"What?
How could he ever get that vibe?"
597
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,340
I guess she wasn't.
598
00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:03,970
I guess I'm a better actress
than I thought I was.
599
00:46:09,390 --> 00:46:11,720
I've been a lot of places,
met a lot of people,
600
00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:16,480
even been as far away as
North Carolina one time.
601
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:25,450
But I've never been to a place where
the people, the hospitality,
602
00:46:25,530 --> 00:46:29,410
the neighborliness and all that
are as good as they are here.
603
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:40,040
You really find out
who your friends are when you're down.
604
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:44,340
And I've never had the opportunity
605
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:47,430
with some of those people
to give them the entire story.
606
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:55,480
Good job, Gary.
607
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,390
Nice job, Gary. Nice job.
608
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,980
To tell 'em exactly why I'm innocent.
609
00:47:03,610 --> 00:47:07,240
This is the McDonald's
where it all happened.
610
00:47:08,570 --> 00:47:14,740
There was a press conference, a party
and a real Ronald McDonald was here.
611
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,750
It was kind of surreal.
612
00:47:20,830 --> 00:47:24,800
He said, "Mom, I won a million dollar,"
I said, "Prove it!"
613
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:25,920
He said, "Mom, it's real."
614
00:47:26,090 --> 00:47:32,390
I didn't he was serious, I was like,
you're not serious.
615
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:34,760
As a single father
to eight-year-old Russell,
616
00:47:34,930 --> 00:47:38,640
George Chandler says he will use
his winnings to help raise his son.
617
00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:42,110
He'll get $50,000 a year
for the next 20 years.
618
00:47:42,190 --> 00:47:45,280
It wasn't an immediate thing.
Ultimately,
619
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,450
it done a lot more harm than good, and
I already run up a business in town,
620
00:47:50,530 --> 00:47:54,580
and I was surrounded by this notion
that I was a millionaire now.
621
00:47:54,660 --> 00:47:59,960
I didn't need to work,
I didn't need any new customers.
622
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:06,090
I had to put out a hundred thousand
dollars of my own money for this thing.
623
00:48:06,250 --> 00:48:10,090
And I had no question whatsoever
624
00:48:10,180 --> 00:48:13,930
about the authenticity or legitimacy
of the ticket
625
00:48:14,010 --> 00:48:16,890
or the origination...
None ever occurred to me,
626
00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:19,810
and we're talking about Dwight Baker.
627
00:48:19,890 --> 00:48:24,060
I didn't take any cut out of the money.
And it was all Jerry's.
628
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:26,320
I told him, I said, "George, listen."
629
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,570
"You just give me a Navigator
and a laptop and I'll be happy."
630
00:48:29,650 --> 00:48:32,910
Didn't want George to think bad of me,
631
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:37,370
for actually having a little larceny
in my heart.
632
00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:43,370
I didn't won a whole lot, I just won
a little laptop and a Navigator.
633
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,340
Then I went to Ronnie Hughey
and offered it to him.
634
00:48:48,510 --> 00:48:52,260
And that's how my greed kicked in.
635
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,060
Ronnie was just a high roller. He was
going through a divorce and he said,
636
00:48:58,140 --> 00:49:01,180
"I'll take two or three of this."
637
00:49:04,770 --> 00:49:07,520
That was probably the real...
638
00:49:08,730 --> 00:49:13,030
... where I really stepped over the
boundary was when Ronnie said,
639
00:49:13,110 --> 00:49:15,950
"I'll take one, or two, or three
of that."
640
00:49:16,030 --> 00:49:18,660
And I knew he could.
641
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,370
And I remember Jerry telling me,
"You're getting a little greedy."
642
00:49:24,460 --> 00:49:26,250
Yeah.
643
00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:33,680
Each time is a little different. From
Ronnie Hughey I got a lake lot or two.
644
00:49:35,340 --> 00:49:41,100
Jerry brought me fries and a drink,
and you had the game pieces on.
645
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:47,480
And I'd pay him in a brown McDonald's
bag, cash in the McDonald's bag, money.
646
00:49:52,570 --> 00:49:56,860
Did Jerry at any point
ever tell you how he got the tickets?
647
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:58,990
Never asked him.
648
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,120
Jerry used to say all the time,
this is gonna be the last one.
649
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,000
"This is gonna be the last one."
And then one time he said,
650
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,710
there's gonna be a five-million-dollar
prize that they're gonna give.
651
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,420
You take that one...
652
00:50:14,510 --> 00:50:18,680
And I don't know how we're gonna
split it, but he said, then that's it.
653
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,560
We'll ride into the sunset
and forget it so...
654
00:50:25,940 --> 00:50:30,060
Jerry was very proud
but very secretive.
655
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:34,240
He never talked about anything
with anybody else.
656
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:39,160
I knew he was selling the game pieces,
657
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:41,830
but I didn't know to what degree.
658
00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:48,500
Jerry told me, "There's
a half-a-million-dollar game piece,
659
00:50:48,580 --> 00:50:52,500
with a McDonald's issue on
$500,000 check cash.
660
00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:57,800
And we didn't have to wait 50,000
a year." And I wanted it.
661
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:04,220
And so, I made arrangements
with my wife's sister, Brenda.
662
00:51:04,310 --> 00:51:08,980
And I said,
"Cash that check and we'll split it."
663
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:14,570
I thought it was gonne be a tough sell,
but it wasn't.
664
00:51:15,860 --> 00:51:21,910
And we created an address for her
in Asheville, North Carolina.
665
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:28,080
She turned in the game piece, we didn't
talk for a while, but time had lapsed,
666
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:33,880
there was no reason for her to
have not been paid on the game piece.
667
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,050
And I said, "I'm gonna go up to
Asheville and see what's going on."
668
00:51:39,130 --> 00:51:41,220
And I went up there.
669
00:51:41,390 --> 00:51:46,560
The damn FedEx thing had been opened
and fallen on the floor,
670
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,850
and I said,
"She's got the damn money."
671
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,900
Brenda decided that she was gonna keep
all the money, run with the money.
672
00:51:57,990 --> 00:52:03,240
That scared the shit out of me because
I knew Jerry wasn't gonna be happy.
673
00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:09,330
Jerry told me, "If there's a problem,
I'd get a visit from his cousin Guido.
674
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:11,210
And I took that pretty serious.
675
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,630
I went to my wife and I said,
"She's running with the money."
676
00:52:17,710 --> 00:52:22,130
And that's what really hooked her in,
that's where she got a problem.
677
00:52:22,220 --> 00:52:25,560
Because she looked at it as her money.
678
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:27,930
Did you try to stop her?
679
00:52:29,730 --> 00:52:30,940
Yeah.
680
00:52:36,980 --> 00:52:39,490
And...
681
00:52:39,570 --> 00:52:41,610
my wife could not stay
off the telephone.
682
00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:51,540
Dwight Baker made a phone call to
Brenda Phenas and for whatever reason
683
00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:56,500
didn't disconnect the phone
which we were still monitoring.
684
00:52:56,590 --> 00:53:00,380
And it was like having a bug
in their car.
685
00:53:00,550 --> 00:53:02,380
So, inside the wire room,
686
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:09,140
we're hearing how Brenda Phenas was
running around the Indianapolis Airport
687
00:53:09,310 --> 00:53:11,850
and Dwight was looking
to bury her somewhere.
688
00:53:12,020 --> 00:53:15,400
They're saying he's following her
to the airport,
689
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,280
he says he's gonna kill her,
but there was a lot of concern on that.
690
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,110
What are we gonna do if they are
in fact really gonna harm her?
691
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,240
We've obviously have to intervene.
692
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,790
But that would have serious
consequences for the investigation.
693
00:53:29,870 --> 00:53:33,660
One little slip up could shut it down.
694
00:53:38,130 --> 00:53:42,300
To me, Dwight was a man of integrity
and character.
695
00:53:43,550 --> 00:53:48,390
It just did not occur to me that
he would do something like that.
696
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,730
He can't be trusted what he have.
697
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:55,690
Okay!
698
00:53:55,850 --> 00:53:57,440
George...
699
00:53:57,610 --> 00:53:59,070
George! George!
700
00:53:59,150 --> 00:54:00,520
Let's have fun, y'all.
701
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,950
She got run over by a damn... yeah.
702
00:54:06,030 --> 00:54:08,200
Yeah. Yeah.
703
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:15,370
And so I'll hang around
as long as you will let me.
704
00:54:16,830 --> 00:54:18,000
Oh, sounds good.
705
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:25,010
And I never minded standing here
in the rain.
706
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:31,220
Because it's an airport, everything is
monitored live, it's a public place,
707
00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:34,520
and we had people on scene there
watching the cameras,
708
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:40,150
agents who could blend in the crowd
at the airport ready to take action.
709
00:55:05,630 --> 00:55:08,760
In a lot of cases,
really bad things happen.
710
00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:11,470
Things go wrong, they always do.
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