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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,918 --> 00:00:13,179 (soft guitar music) 2 00:00:33,616 --> 00:00:35,702 When they started bringing back the death penalty, 3 00:00:35,702 --> 00:00:37,788 I embraced it. 4 00:00:41,542 --> 00:00:43,417 The death penalty was fine with me 5 00:00:43,417 --> 00:00:46,963 as long as it was your brother, your son or your daughter. 6 00:00:49,466 --> 00:00:51,968 It was okay for somebody else's family members. 7 00:00:51,968 --> 00:00:54,678 I supported the death penalty. 8 00:00:55,722 --> 00:00:57,349 Never gave a thought 9 00:00:57,349 --> 00:01:00,935 for the family members left behind of the executed. 10 00:01:01,978 --> 00:01:04,897 And then one day it came knocking on my door... 11 00:01:05,732 --> 00:01:09,277 and that's where my education began. 12 00:01:33,260 --> 00:01:36,804 Okay I'm ready when you are. 13 00:01:42,018 --> 00:01:45,188 They said he was a monster - I don't see that. 14 00:01:45,772 --> 00:01:47,649 I see a little brother. 15 00:01:49,317 --> 00:01:53,280 I remember being out in the clam flats, digging clams. 16 00:01:53,905 --> 00:01:56,533 Matter of fact, when he was in San Quentin prison 17 00:01:56,533 --> 00:01:58,285 we use to talk about clamming. 18 00:02:10,171 --> 00:02:13,716 When Manny was 12 years old, 19 00:02:14,759 --> 00:02:16,219 Manny had a car accident. 20 00:02:17,053 --> 00:02:19,640 He was thrown quite a few feet, 21 00:02:20,516 --> 00:02:24,269 from then on... he... 22 00:02:24,269 --> 00:02:28,315 ... was late in school, I mean he just couldn't... 23 00:02:28,315 --> 00:02:31,025 He... he repeated some of his grades over and over... 24 00:02:31,025 --> 00:02:34,571 I think about four grades he repeated. 25 00:02:35,988 --> 00:02:39,742 He could barely read or write when he got out of school. He... 26 00:02:39,742 --> 00:02:42,078 ... He got out of school in the seventh grade. 27 00:02:47,918 --> 00:02:51,672 I moved out to Sacramento in 1967, 28 00:02:51,672 --> 00:02:55,633 and at that time Manny was 17 years old. 29 00:02:56,884 --> 00:02:58,886 And I wrote back to my mother 30 00:03:00,430 --> 00:03:02,098 how's Manny doing? 31 00:03:02,098 --> 00:03:05,852 "Manny's in Vietnam, Manny's in Portwall." 32 00:03:05,852 --> 00:03:07,145 I said, "What!?" 33 00:03:08,146 --> 00:03:13,151 It seems that Manny was watching the war unfold on TV. 34 00:03:15,028 --> 00:03:19,324 And he had already had two brothers who were in the Marines in front of him. 35 00:03:19,991 --> 00:03:21,159 So he's seen that, he says, 36 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:23,370 "I'm going to the Marines, I'm going into the military." 37 00:03:23,370 --> 00:03:25,872 So he went down to go join the Marines... 38 00:03:25,872 --> 00:03:28,375 he was unable to pass the test - he couldn't pass the test - 39 00:03:28,375 --> 00:03:31,211 so the Marines gave him the answers. 40 00:03:32,003 --> 00:03:34,005 He found himself at war. 41 00:03:41,304 --> 00:03:44,641 I called my mother on the telephone, says, "Ma where's Manny?" 42 00:03:44,641 --> 00:03:45,892 She says "He's in Vietnam." 43 00:03:45,892 --> 00:03:48,395 I said "Ma, where in Vietnam?" 44 00:03:48,395 --> 00:03:50,897 She said "He's at this place... I'll go get his letter, 45 00:03:50,897 --> 00:03:52,565 "I'll tell you where he's at." 46 00:03:52,565 --> 00:03:55,068 She spells K-H-E... 47 00:03:55,902 --> 00:03:58,405 She got that far I knew it was Khe Sahn. 48 00:03:59,030 --> 00:04:00,907 And my heart dropped. 49 00:04:05,912 --> 00:04:08,206 Khe Sanh was all over the news! 50 00:04:08,206 --> 00:04:13,961 Ma had no idea Manny was in such precarious situation. 51 00:04:13,961 --> 00:04:16,047 She'd've been terrified had she known. 52 00:04:23,846 --> 00:04:25,348 Manny did his time. 53 00:04:25,973 --> 00:04:29,477 He came home after his first tour of duty... 54 00:04:29,477 --> 00:04:31,979 after his second tour of duty, he came home... 55 00:04:37,193 --> 00:04:39,362 One day Manny was in his apartment, 56 00:04:40,405 --> 00:04:42,490 and something startled him 57 00:04:44,992 --> 00:04:47,203 - a backfire of an automobile - 58 00:04:47,203 --> 00:04:48,455 something startled him. 59 00:04:48,455 --> 00:04:52,208 He got his little 18-month-old baby - little Manny Jr. - 60 00:04:52,208 --> 00:04:54,711 and he goes "The bombs are coming, the bombs are coming. 61 00:04:54,711 --> 00:04:57,213 "We gotta get the baby out! Can't you hear it? 62 00:04:57,213 --> 00:04:58,465 "The bombs are coming!" 63 00:04:58,465 --> 00:05:00,967 So he snatches the baby and he starts running... 64 00:05:00,967 --> 00:05:03,178 his wife is screaming... 65 00:05:03,928 --> 00:05:06,932 it's pandemonium, you know. 66 00:05:06,932 --> 00:05:08,433 Manny... 67 00:05:10,143 --> 00:05:11,478 Manny came... 68 00:05:13,521 --> 00:05:16,107 When Manny came marching home... 69 00:05:18,068 --> 00:05:19,820 ... limping, 70 00:05:19,820 --> 00:05:23,281 ... mentally and morally ... 71 00:05:27,243 --> 00:05:32,499 They ... they was able to discern his physical wounds - 72 00:05:32,499 --> 00:05:33,541 - his lips - 73 00:05:33,541 --> 00:05:34,751 and they was able to patch those up 74 00:05:36,002 --> 00:05:39,756 but they never got around to patching up that war, 75 00:05:39,756 --> 00:05:42,092 that wound in his head. 76 00:05:42,884 --> 00:05:46,346 So when he left those two tours of duty in Vietnam, 77 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:48,931 he came to America ... 78 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:51,225 for yet another tour of duty 79 00:05:51,934 --> 00:05:52,810 on the battlefield ... 80 00:05:54,479 --> 00:05:57,649 chasing shadows... imaginary soldiers ... 81 00:05:57,649 --> 00:06:01,235 and that's what it's all about, see? 82 00:06:07,075 --> 00:06:11,663 He was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. 83 00:06:13,331 --> 00:06:15,667 After the first wife, he goes in the mental hospital. 84 00:06:15,667 --> 00:06:19,796 After the second wife, he goes into the mental hospital. 85 00:06:19,796 --> 00:06:22,257 He loses his family. 86 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:33,226 So Manny traded his hooch 87 00:06:34,727 --> 00:06:35,937 in Vietnam 88 00:06:36,688 --> 00:06:38,899 for a cardboard box 89 00:06:38,899 --> 00:06:41,067 on the street of Providence, Rhode Island. 90 00:06:41,902 --> 00:06:42,944 [ sniffles ] 91 00:07:02,546 --> 00:07:06,343 In 1980, I was working at the railroad 92 00:07:08,178 --> 00:07:09,429 ... in Sacramento ... 93 00:07:09,930 --> 00:07:11,639 and I heard Manny was coming. 94 00:07:12,515 --> 00:07:14,892 And I was so glad - my brother Manny's coming. 95 00:07:15,852 --> 00:07:18,605 We could we could watch boxing together, you know? 96 00:07:18,605 --> 00:07:19,647 We could, uh ... 97 00:07:21,733 --> 00:07:22,566 We could cook! 98 00:07:23,193 --> 00:07:26,863 We could have... we could see who makes the best linguica and rice, 99 00:07:26,863 --> 00:07:29,449 if you wanna have a contest. 100 00:07:29,449 --> 00:07:31,659 Maybe we'd'a went down here to Bodega Bay 101 00:07:31,659 --> 00:07:33,786 and got some of these giant clams ... 102 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:38,041 a poor substitute for the clams in Cape Cod, 103 00:07:38,041 --> 00:07:40,293 but they would have to do. 104 00:07:44,256 --> 00:07:47,300 My wife Linda welcomed him in our home. 105 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:48,801 We had three children. 106 00:07:50,094 --> 00:07:51,763 We resigned ourselves .., 107 00:07:53,014 --> 00:07:54,516 We're there to take care of Manny. 108 00:07:56,142 --> 00:07:58,228 No pressure on him to go out and work. 109 00:07:59,896 --> 00:08:02,148 I was so proud to have my young brother. 110 00:08:03,984 --> 00:08:06,236 But I noticed when Manny came home, 111 00:08:07,195 --> 00:08:09,697 he seemed to be so obsessed with the war. 112 00:08:13,243 --> 00:08:16,162 He talked about it constantly, you know. 113 00:08:17,205 --> 00:08:22,419 I realized that he would have these mood swings, like, you know? 114 00:08:22,419 --> 00:08:24,712 And he had trouble sleeping. 115 00:08:24,712 --> 00:08:26,380 We never knew ... 116 00:08:27,631 --> 00:08:29,926 We never knew what was wrong. 117 00:08:32,220 --> 00:08:35,348 I'd take him to pool halls and shootout pool together. 118 00:08:35,348 --> 00:08:38,976 Like I said I was glad we were gonna shoot some pool together, but ... 119 00:08:39,394 --> 00:08:42,605 ... when we'd get around pool tables, he'd hang around a pool table, 120 00:08:42,605 --> 00:08:44,732 he wasn't courteous, 121 00:08:44,732 --> 00:08:50,363 He was like, itching for another battle, it seemed like, 122 00:08:50,363 --> 00:08:51,448 Uh... 123 00:08:51,448 --> 00:08:54,951 ... you know, combative-like, and I'm saying, 124 00:08:54,951 --> 00:08:58,288 "Manny, you gotta cool it." 125 00:08:58,705 --> 00:09:02,917 "Don't sit up on the table and cross your legs like that... 126 00:09:02,917 --> 00:09:05,253 ...in a lotus position, Manny." 127 00:09:05,253 --> 00:09:07,464 "You can't do that, Manny, you know?" 128 00:09:07,464 --> 00:09:10,508 "You can't catch flies with the glass." 129 00:09:11,092 --> 00:09:12,344 "You know, you can't ... 130 00:09:12,344 --> 00:09:14,971 "... when people are shooting pool you can't bang the stick, you can't..." 131 00:09:14,971 --> 00:09:17,474 He's doing all these crazy things - 132 00:09:17,474 --> 00:09:19,517 "Manny you can't do that!" 133 00:09:20,811 --> 00:09:24,022 I knew there was something wrong. but I couldn't put my hand on it. 134 00:09:25,315 --> 00:09:25,941 [sniffles] 135 00:09:26,358 --> 00:09:28,735 And nobody told me to look out for these symptoms ... 136 00:09:28,735 --> 00:09:32,030 ... these symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder. 137 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:35,116 "Your brother might have these symptoms - look out!" 138 00:09:39,996 --> 00:09:41,748 I let Manny get away from me. 139 00:09:44,417 --> 00:09:46,253 He started going out on his own, 140 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:49,381 He started bathing less. 141 00:09:50,716 --> 00:09:52,800 He started dressing bizarre... 142 00:09:55,637 --> 00:09:57,055 ... hair style ... 143 00:09:58,765 --> 00:10:01,142 And my little brother was out there 144 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:04,771 in limbo land 145 00:10:06,314 --> 00:10:08,358 fighting these battles. 146 00:10:52,569 --> 00:10:56,323 One day I got a call from my wife Linda. She says "Did you give Manny any money?" 147 00:10:56,323 --> 00:10:58,825 I says "No, I didn't give him any money." 148 00:10:58,825 --> 00:11:00,577 She says, "Well he's got some money." 149 00:11:01,619 --> 00:11:05,666 "He's been giving it, buying the kids ice cream when the ice truck comes around... 150 00:11:06,416 --> 00:11:07,500 ... bunch of nickels. 151 00:11:08,835 --> 00:11:12,589 When I came home that night, looking for Manny - 152 00:11:12,589 --> 00:11:15,967 - I was working the night shift - Manny was nowhere around. 153 00:11:16,343 --> 00:11:20,388 I started thinking, where Manny getting money from? 154 00:11:20,388 --> 00:11:22,307 I said, let me go in the closet ... 155 00:11:24,642 --> 00:11:26,061 ... where's Manny keeps his stuff ... 156 00:11:28,646 --> 00:11:29,606 ... see if I see any... 157 00:11:30,106 --> 00:11:31,692 ... maybe I can get answers. 158 00:11:33,860 --> 00:11:37,489 And I just happened to move aside an old coat. 159 00:11:39,532 --> 00:11:42,494 And in that old coat - that coat had a hole in the pocket - 160 00:11:44,412 --> 00:11:48,541 and that cigarette lighter came tumbling out of that coat pocket, and hit the floor ... 161 00:11:49,792 --> 00:11:50,627 ... with a thump. 162 00:11:52,629 --> 00:11:58,260 I picked up the cigarette lighter - one of those old flip-tops when you put the fluid in - 163 00:11:58,260 --> 00:12:00,971 I flipped it open, man, and there it is. 164 00:12:00,971 --> 00:12:05,141 I mean, it didn't even work and... 165 00:12:05,141 --> 00:12:07,644 ... and I looked at the cigarette lighter 166 00:12:07,644 --> 00:12:09,730 and the cigarette lighter had "LS." 167 00:12:10,731 --> 00:12:13,275 LS... LS... 168 00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:16,403 I couldn't sleep. I got back out of bed, said let me start shaving, 169 00:12:16,403 --> 00:12:18,905 so I started shaving, thinking about Manny. 170 00:12:18,905 --> 00:12:21,408 Where's Manny, where's Manny, where's Manny, where's Manny? 171 00:12:21,408 --> 00:12:25,161 About four or five o'clock now. Manny never showed up. 172 00:12:25,161 --> 00:12:26,288 And then it hit me: 173 00:12:28,706 --> 00:12:31,001 Leah Schendel had been to Reno, 174 00:12:31,209 --> 00:12:32,669 pulling the one-armed bandits. 175 00:12:32,669 --> 00:12:33,754 LS... 176 00:12:35,130 --> 00:12:36,630 It hit me right then. 177 00:12:38,925 --> 00:12:41,011 I went over to where my wife was asleep, 178 00:12:42,095 --> 00:12:43,846 I got down on the foot of the bed... 179 00:12:44,931 --> 00:12:47,684 ... beside her, and I was... I was praying. 180 00:12:47,684 --> 00:12:53,940 I was trying to pray myself out of this nightmare that... 181 00:12:53,940 --> 00:12:58,486 Before I woke my wife and... 182 00:12:58,486 --> 00:12:59,905 and it wasn't to be. 183 00:13:01,448 --> 00:13:03,950 I woke her, I says, "We gotta pray about this." 184 00:13:03,950 --> 00:13:06,869 Then I says, "Manny, he's done something. Where's Manny?" 185 00:13:06,869 --> 00:13:08,955 "Manny's done something terrible." 186 00:13:08,955 --> 00:13:10,623 So we talked about it. 187 00:13:11,249 --> 00:13:15,419 We agonized over what we're gonna do about it. We're so scared. 188 00:13:15,419 --> 00:13:16,463 Now at this point I'm scared: 189 00:13:16,463 --> 00:13:18,965 What's Manny gonna do? Come home and hurt me now? 190 00:13:18,965 --> 00:13:20,758 And hurt my wife and the kids? 191 00:13:22,260 --> 00:13:23,053 And, um ... 192 00:13:23,970 --> 00:13:27,015 That's when we decided, well, we gotta do the right thing. 193 00:13:27,515 --> 00:13:29,560 We gotta call the police. 194 00:13:45,241 --> 00:13:47,494 I went down to the police station 195 00:13:49,329 --> 00:13:50,872 and ... and they ... 196 00:13:53,584 --> 00:13:56,086 They treated me like ... like ... 197 00:13:59,005 --> 00:14:00,882 ... like I was the cock of the walk ... 198 00:14:02,759 --> 00:14:04,677 ... the man of the hour ... 199 00:14:07,138 --> 00:14:08,724 and to be celebrated. 200 00:14:10,267 --> 00:14:12,728 They patted me on my back. 201 00:14:15,063 --> 00:14:15,938 I got a ... 202 00:14:17,357 --> 00:14:20,484 ... sandwich and a cup of coffee... 203 00:14:22,987 --> 00:14:24,447 ... and I cried. 204 00:14:27,784 --> 00:14:30,912 I was so grateful for these cops, you know. 205 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,293 They're gonna ... they're make it right ... 206 00:14:38,044 --> 00:14:40,297 somehow ... somehow. 207 00:14:43,634 --> 00:14:44,426 Finally, 208 00:14:45,802 --> 00:14:49,722 ... after about two to three hours of interviews, 209 00:14:50,807 --> 00:14:52,600 tape recorders, and this and that, 210 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:56,146 I heard this click-click! 211 00:14:57,021 --> 00:15:01,568 I look and I seen a cop pull out his automatic rifle, 212 00:15:01,568 --> 00:15:04,487 check it for bullets, slam it back in... 213 00:15:05,697 --> 00:15:08,866 The detective that was interviewing me pushed back from his desk, 214 00:15:08,866 --> 00:15:11,119 he pulled out some keys, unlocked the door, 215 00:15:11,119 --> 00:15:12,995 he pulled out his big revolver, 216 00:15:14,497 --> 00:15:16,374 open it up, check for bullets, put it in. 217 00:15:16,583 --> 00:15:19,795 I seen about four, five cops loading up their guns 218 00:15:21,629 --> 00:15:23,590 and I go, 219 00:15:25,342 --> 00:15:27,093 "Please don't kill my brother!" 220 00:15:30,138 --> 00:15:33,433 I says, "I come here this morning because somebody died." 221 00:15:34,892 --> 00:15:37,520 "I want that to be the end of death and dying." 222 00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:41,191 "I don't want my brother to die. Don't shoot my brother." 223 00:15:42,650 --> 00:15:44,945 And they say, "We are not gonna shoot nobody, Bill." 224 00:15:45,362 --> 00:15:47,030 "You know, we're not gonna shoot your brother." 225 00:15:47,071 --> 00:15:50,450 I said, "I got an idea where he's at. He's ..." 226 00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:52,243 "I think he's at my sister Donna's house." 227 00:15:52,243 --> 00:15:53,995 "And if you let me get over there ..." 228 00:15:54,621 --> 00:15:55,956 I says, "I'll get him out of the house." 229 00:15:55,956 --> 00:15:58,709 "I'll tell him that we are going to play some pool." 230 00:15:58,709 --> 00:16:01,253 "And then you guys can get him when he gets out of there." 231 00:16:03,505 --> 00:16:06,841 We drove down - it was raining cats and dogs that day, man - 232 00:16:06,841 --> 00:16:08,926 It was just pouring rain. 233 00:16:08,926 --> 00:16:09,761 We go up there... 234 00:16:09,761 --> 00:16:11,429 ... Manny's up with the kids ... 235 00:16:11,429 --> 00:16:12,264 ... and its raining... 236 00:16:12,264 --> 00:16:14,598 and he had the sheets on the ... 237 00:16:15,016 --> 00:16:17,728 He was playing with Pom Pom and Chucky 238 00:16:18,144 --> 00:16:21,231 and he was making these little dudes tents and stuff, 239 00:16:21,231 --> 00:16:22,690 and they was having a good old time. 240 00:16:22,690 --> 00:16:25,402 I could hear him yelling and I knocked on the door... 241 00:16:25,402 --> 00:16:28,946 ... and there's my brother in the sheets with these kids. 242 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,287 I says "Brother... 243 00:16:37,247 --> 00:16:39,291 "I'm'a teach you how to play pool this morning." 244 00:16:42,503 --> 00:16:44,170 I lied to my brother... 245 00:16:46,214 --> 00:16:47,465 [sighs] 246 00:16:49,175 --> 00:16:51,512 ... on his last day of freedom. 247 00:17:01,688 --> 00:17:03,356 Oh god, 248 00:17:05,733 --> 00:17:07,402 what will my neighbors think? 249 00:17:11,698 --> 00:17:15,452 Will they think that I'm a bad person, that we're bad people? 250 00:17:17,579 --> 00:17:18,580 Um ... 251 00:17:20,248 --> 00:17:22,750 What will my mother think? 252 00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:26,379 Would she understand that... 253 00:17:29,466 --> 00:17:31,092 I had to do what I did? 254 00:17:34,846 --> 00:17:36,431 What would Manny think? 255 00:17:44,022 --> 00:17:46,733 He didn't see the cops - they were behind these hedges. 256 00:17:47,984 --> 00:17:49,652 We walked towards them... 257 00:17:50,278 --> 00:17:53,615 We got up next to them and they just sprung out. 258 00:17:55,492 --> 00:17:56,743 One cop grabbed his arm and says, 259 00:17:56,743 --> 00:17:58,202 "Are you Manuel Babbitt?" 260 00:17:58,704 --> 00:17:59,703 "Yes." 261 00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:01,582 And I says, "Brother - 262 00:18:02,248 --> 00:18:03,834 "these are good cops. 263 00:18:04,251 --> 00:18:06,503 "They know about your battle - 264 00:18:06,503 --> 00:18:07,545 - Vietnam - 265 00:18:07,545 --> 00:18:10,548 "and they know about that one in your head. 266 00:18:12,133 --> 00:18:14,135 "And they are gonna give you some help, brother." 267 00:18:18,014 --> 00:18:20,892 I looked down and said, "Brother, please forgive me." 268 00:18:22,603 --> 00:18:24,605 He looks up at me and he says, 269 00:18:25,522 --> 00:18:27,482 "You're already forgiven, brother... 270 00:18:27,815 --> 00:18:29,025 "I forgive you." 271 00:18:40,953 --> 00:18:47,001 If I had'a given Manny a bus ticket and get him out of Dodge, 272 00:18:47,001 --> 00:18:50,130 I would have Leah Schendel's blood on my hands. 273 00:18:50,130 --> 00:18:53,466 Or maybe some other innocent person might die... 274 00:18:55,093 --> 00:18:56,928 because I took the low road 275 00:18:58,764 --> 00:19:00,765 and didn't tell the police what I knew. 276 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:03,435 I had to be responsible. 277 00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:12,402 And then they took us down to the station, 278 00:19:12,402 --> 00:19:14,362 they interviewed him for a long time. 279 00:19:14,571 --> 00:19:15,822 I went in there ... 280 00:19:15,822 --> 00:19:17,073 ...and, uh ... 281 00:19:19,742 --> 00:19:22,663 and they asked me if I could get him to confess. 282 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:24,956 And I went in there and uh ... 283 00:19:26,874 --> 00:19:28,919 I noticed they had taken his socks off 284 00:19:28,919 --> 00:19:30,795 and he was shivering, 285 00:19:33,131 --> 00:19:33,965 So... 286 00:19:35,467 --> 00:19:38,094 I went over to the window and I knocked on the window. 287 00:19:38,094 --> 00:19:40,597 They came to open the door and I says, 288 00:19:40,597 --> 00:19:43,307 "Can you please give my brother his socks back?" 289 00:19:44,642 --> 00:19:46,687 You know what? He gave his stockings back? 290 00:19:47,895 --> 00:19:50,566 He gave the stockings back ... 291 00:19:51,274 --> 00:19:52,400 on his bare feet. 292 00:19:53,860 --> 00:19:55,445 He put his stockings on ... 293 00:19:58,531 --> 00:20:00,617 I knew everything was gonna be alright. 294 00:20:00,617 --> 00:20:01,993 I knew it was gonna be alright. 295 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,999 I told my family it's going to be alright. It'll be alright. 296 00:20:21,888 --> 00:20:25,642 The cops told me, "He's not going to get the death penalty. 297 00:20:25,642 --> 00:20:27,101 "This is not a death penalty case." 298 00:20:27,728 --> 00:20:31,022 They really believed that Manny would not go to Death Row. 299 00:20:36,903 --> 00:20:40,240 We had to go down to talk to a lawyer. 300 00:20:41,699 --> 00:20:44,244 I trusted this lawyer because, um ... 301 00:20:46,913 --> 00:20:48,039 ... uh ... 302 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:50,667 He looked like one of those lawyers you see on TV. 303 00:20:50,667 --> 00:20:52,252 I mean he was tall, 304 00:20:53,086 --> 00:20:53,961 he was blonde, 305 00:20:54,505 --> 00:20:55,672 fancy suit on... 306 00:20:56,089 --> 00:20:57,549 I'm thinking he's about something. 307 00:20:57,549 --> 00:21:00,677 He had an office right across the street 308 00:21:00,677 --> 00:21:03,387 from the county courthouse. 309 00:21:05,056 --> 00:21:07,975 I'm thinking this is cool, you know - he's a good lawyer. 310 00:21:10,687 --> 00:21:12,146 He told us what the case was, he says, 311 00:21:12,146 --> 00:21:14,441 "They got special circumstances on your brother. 312 00:21:14,857 --> 00:21:16,318 "They're going for the death penalty." 313 00:21:16,318 --> 00:21:17,485 I go, "What? 314 00:21:18,445 --> 00:21:20,322 "But the cops! 315 00:21:20,488 --> 00:21:21,532 "There's a cop ... 316 00:21:23,616 --> 00:21:24,492 "... he knew ... 317 00:21:24,492 --> 00:21:26,994 "This will be no death penalty case. 318 00:21:27,704 --> 00:21:29,247 "He'll go to a hospital." 319 00:21:30,582 --> 00:21:33,960 Well, the cops did not deliberately lie to me. 320 00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:37,589 But when the district attorney got hold of it ... 321 00:21:38,214 --> 00:21:39,673 ... she thought otherwise. 322 00:21:41,552 --> 00:21:43,345 Political season! 323 00:21:46,348 --> 00:21:50,101 When it's time to pick the cherries, time to pick the oranges, 324 00:21:50,101 --> 00:21:52,312 you head for the fields 325 00:21:54,022 --> 00:21:55,691 and you start picking ... 326 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,361 ... and you enrich yourself. 327 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,823 And that's what they did with the death penalty. 328 00:22:10,747 --> 00:22:14,501 When I asked the lawyer, during the courts, I says, 329 00:22:14,501 --> 00:22:18,088 "I don't see any blacks being seated on the jury." 330 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,174 And he told me that he did not trust... 331 00:22:21,508 --> 00:22:23,260 ... he used the N word. 332 00:22:24,511 --> 00:22:26,388 I guess he must have figured ... 333 00:22:26,388 --> 00:22:29,224 he could use the nigger word and feel comfortable. 334 00:22:32,853 --> 00:22:34,979 When they got time to try Manny, 335 00:22:36,814 --> 00:22:39,359 the defense treated me as a defense witness, 336 00:22:39,692 --> 00:22:43,405 the prosecution treated me as a prosecution witness. 337 00:22:46,449 --> 00:22:49,327 So I am witness for the prosecutor 338 00:22:49,327 --> 00:22:51,079 that put the rope around Manny's neck, 339 00:22:51,496 --> 00:22:54,541 and I'm witness for the defense 340 00:22:54,541 --> 00:22:56,793 to take that rope off Manny's neck. 341 00:22:59,337 --> 00:23:01,131 Now I'm on the other side now. 342 00:23:02,173 --> 00:23:02,924 I... 343 00:23:03,341 --> 00:23:06,678 I couldn't deal with the prosecutor because he ... 344 00:23:07,095 --> 00:23:10,390 ... he kept trying to make me look like a bad guy. 345 00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:12,392 Making my mouth feel dry, 346 00:23:13,184 --> 00:23:14,602 scaring my heart. 347 00:23:14,977 --> 00:23:17,230 He was trying to take away my heart ... 348 00:23:18,899 --> 00:23:20,400 ... my sincerity. 349 00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:24,571 Would the judge have to admonish the prosecutor - 350 00:23:24,571 --> 00:23:30,661 "Give Mr. Babbitt a chance to answer." 351 00:23:57,103 --> 00:23:59,940 After two tours of duty in Vietnam, 352 00:24:00,357 --> 00:24:02,108 five major battles, 353 00:24:02,943 --> 00:24:04,777 all that he went through - his wounds, 354 00:24:05,278 --> 00:24:06,904 shrapnel in his skull, 355 00:24:09,407 --> 00:24:10,992 and they're saying that 356 00:24:10,992 --> 00:24:13,620 post-traumatic stress disorder is a bunch of crap. 357 00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:15,831 It's... it's... he's... He's masquerading... 358 00:24:17,915 --> 00:24:20,335 and... and he's a monster, 359 00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:24,339 and he needs to die for what he did? 360 00:24:29,636 --> 00:24:33,056 I felt that justice would prevail... 361 00:24:36,518 --> 00:24:38,061 ... and, uh, 362 00:24:38,686 --> 00:24:40,355 it did not. 363 00:24:43,191 --> 00:24:45,652 One of the regrets that I have is 364 00:24:46,069 --> 00:24:47,988 I didn't spend more time with Manny 365 00:24:48,405 --> 00:24:49,239 because I... 366 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,950 took it for granted that he wasn't going nowhere. 367 00:24:55,787 --> 00:24:56,579 And I... 368 00:24:57,038 --> 00:24:58,540 I took it for granted that ... 369 00:24:59,332 --> 00:25:02,919 sooner or later he'll be down in a place where we could take him lunch. 370 00:25:02,919 --> 00:25:05,922 He won't be in a prison, he'd be in a hospital... 371 00:25:05,922 --> 00:25:08,216 I had hopes, you know. 372 00:25:16,558 --> 00:25:17,058 We... 373 00:25:17,893 --> 00:25:19,102 We heard about... 374 00:25:19,770 --> 00:25:22,188 They were going to get... Manny was gonna get his Purple Heart. 375 00:25:22,814 --> 00:25:25,942 I say, "Sure enough, that's going to stop Manny's execution." 376 00:25:26,984 --> 00:25:28,861 Manny comes in shackled... 377 00:25:30,738 --> 00:25:33,866 The Marines salute my brother Manny, the condemned. 378 00:25:35,536 --> 00:25:37,037 And Manny tries to salute... 379 00:25:37,995 --> 00:25:39,039 because his hands are... 380 00:25:40,123 --> 00:25:41,792 ... tethered to his belly chain. 381 00:25:41,792 --> 00:25:43,418 He tries to salute... 382 00:25:44,961 --> 00:25:46,296 and my mom goes, 383 00:25:46,588 --> 00:25:48,214 "That's my son... 384 00:25:49,174 --> 00:25:50,926 "I'm proud of my boy!" 385 00:25:53,178 --> 00:25:56,473 Then they took the medal off of Manny when it was done - the ceremony - 386 00:25:56,682 --> 00:25:58,099 they gave it to my mother, 387 00:25:58,099 --> 00:26:00,477 they brought Manny off to his cell. 388 00:26:05,773 --> 00:26:11,195 He puts 20 years in jail, from 1980 to, uh, May, 1999... 389 00:26:11,195 --> 00:26:13,031 ... when he was executed. 390 00:26:24,125 --> 00:26:26,253 I told Manny, "I'm'a be there Manny. 391 00:26:28,088 --> 00:26:29,464 "You look at me... 392 00:26:33,468 --> 00:26:34,845 "and we'll talk." 393 00:26:39,557 --> 00:26:41,059 And he told me, "No... 394 00:26:42,935 --> 00:26:44,771 "I'm not gonna look at anybody." 395 00:26:45,397 --> 00:26:47,983 He said, "My eyes gonna be closed." 396 00:26:51,027 --> 00:26:54,822 He didn't want Donna to see him dying... ... my sister. 397 00:26:55,239 --> 00:26:57,700 I didn't want Donna to see what I saw... 398 00:27:00,203 --> 00:27:01,829 Her last image of Manny 399 00:27:01,829 --> 00:27:05,083 when Manny was making her kids squeal with delight, 400 00:27:05,083 --> 00:27:07,544 that he made those little tent sheets out of sheets... 401 00:27:07,544 --> 00:27:09,170 ... the day he was arrested. 402 00:27:09,170 --> 00:27:13,091 That's the memory she has of Manny, his last day of freedom. 403 00:27:14,717 --> 00:27:15,636 You know... 404 00:27:16,678 --> 00:27:20,098 That's the memory she has of Manny. 405 00:27:31,693 --> 00:27:32,777 Okay... 406 00:27:33,445 --> 00:27:37,740 Now it's time to die. I'm gonna bring you around the time to die, okay? 407 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:44,414 We make our way to San Quentin prison. 408 00:27:45,457 --> 00:27:47,709 We go up and, uh... 409 00:27:47,709 --> 00:27:50,253 they take my wedding ring and my watch. 410 00:27:51,087 --> 00:27:52,964 They patted us down... 411 00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:56,259 They told us what to expect when we go there... 412 00:27:56,259 --> 00:27:59,387 and how we can behave ourselves and don't make... 413 00:27:59,387 --> 00:28:04,017 ... or be disruptive, or we will be moved from the viewing area. 414 00:28:07,145 --> 00:28:10,482 So when I get up there, I'm in a big white van 415 00:28:11,817 --> 00:28:14,652 but in front of us there was another van 416 00:28:14,861 --> 00:28:16,363 and that had the Schendel family. 417 00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:19,032 They get out the van first. 418 00:28:19,032 --> 00:28:22,160 We walk through this gauntlet of correctional officers. 419 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,830 And you know something, I'm looking at those correctional officers 420 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:26,122 and they're looking at me. 421 00:28:26,122 --> 00:28:27,790 We're making eye contact. 422 00:28:29,667 --> 00:28:33,213 I've seen sympathetic eyes. 423 00:28:38,426 --> 00:28:40,762 They sat down the Schendel family here. 424 00:28:41,345 --> 00:28:45,726 The press was at Manny's head and I was standing at his feet. 425 00:28:48,228 --> 00:28:49,771 I had to stand... 426 00:28:50,397 --> 00:28:52,399 ... because they didn't give me no chair. 427 00:28:56,778 --> 00:28:59,906 The only noises you could hear then is the pipes - 428 00:29:00,948 --> 00:29:03,243 water, air going through the pipes... and steam. 429 00:29:03,243 --> 00:29:05,996 You could hear the pipes clanging like, you know... 430 00:29:07,414 --> 00:29:10,542 things unsettling, and... and... 431 00:29:11,584 --> 00:29:13,461 And I'm watching my brother. 432 00:29:14,296 --> 00:29:16,757 He's just lying there with his eyes closed. 433 00:29:20,010 --> 00:29:21,887 And I'm looking at the Schendel family, 434 00:29:21,887 --> 00:29:23,805 and they're staring at my brother, you know, 435 00:29:23,805 --> 00:29:25,056 and I'm thinking - 436 00:29:25,056 --> 00:29:26,182 I know they resent the fact 437 00:29:26,182 --> 00:29:29,102 that my brother's dying with white socks on. 438 00:29:29,102 --> 00:29:34,107 He doesn't have no hand around his neck, nobody's punching him in his face. 439 00:29:34,107 --> 00:29:37,610 And I know they must really be upset about that, you know. 440 00:29:39,737 --> 00:29:41,823 Yes, they were victims. 441 00:29:43,033 --> 00:29:45,452 They had a terrible loss. 442 00:29:49,540 --> 00:29:54,044 But we're all partners in this... this experiment. 443 00:29:54,752 --> 00:29:57,047 We all got blood on our hands now. 444 00:30:34,792 --> 00:30:36,837 And then when it was all over. 445 00:30:37,254 --> 00:30:38,004 [sniffs] 446 00:30:42,716 --> 00:30:45,928 I see my brother lying there in his white socks. 447 00:30:45,928 --> 00:30:51,684 [sniffs] And, uh... 448 00:30:51,684 --> 00:30:54,271 I knew my family was out there by the gate. 449 00:30:56,273 --> 00:30:57,731 And what they did is.., 450 00:30:59,567 --> 00:31:01,862 they took my wife and I in a car, 451 00:31:05,115 --> 00:31:06,157 and I... 452 00:31:15,458 --> 00:31:17,960 I didn't go looking for my family. 453 00:31:19,630 --> 00:31:22,132 My wife and I went down to Half Moon Bay. 454 00:31:22,132 --> 00:31:25,593 They drove us down there to this place on the beach. 455 00:31:26,928 --> 00:31:30,682 and we spent a day down in Half Moon Bay throwing rocks in the water, 456 00:31:31,308 --> 00:31:34,852 skipping stones across the surf. 457 00:31:40,692 --> 00:31:42,193 I knew that, um... 458 00:31:45,697 --> 00:31:49,117 my family back home was in agony. 459 00:31:55,457 --> 00:31:56,667 [sobbing] 460 00:31:58,835 --> 00:32:01,838 I'm so sorry... I'm so sorry. 461 00:32:13,016 --> 00:32:14,225 So guess what? 462 00:32:15,268 --> 00:32:16,311 Here I am. 463 00:32:18,855 --> 00:32:22,192 Here I am... implacable. 464 00:32:23,651 --> 00:32:25,445 I'm'a tell it. 465 00:32:28,239 --> 00:32:31,993 Thank you for putting that box out there in front of me, 466 00:32:31,993 --> 00:32:35,121 so you stand on this box and tell that story. 467 00:32:37,624 --> 00:32:39,835 Thank you for that rooftop. 468 00:32:52,639 --> 00:32:54,766 I can still see Manny... 469 00:32:56,226 --> 00:32:58,561 ... lying on the gurney on his birthday. 470 00:33:00,272 --> 00:33:04,610 And then I see Manny lying in the casket on Mother's Day in Wareham Massachusetts... 471 00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:07,738 ... because he died May 5th, 1999, 472 00:33:07,738 --> 00:33:09,947 so by the time Mother's Day rolled around... 473 00:33:09,947 --> 00:33:12,909 ... here's my brother lying in a coffin. 474 00:33:15,578 --> 00:33:18,206 You know, Manny's name don't come up no more, you know? 475 00:33:18,706 --> 00:33:20,374 My own family members, some of them... 476 00:33:20,374 --> 00:33:22,669 ... they... they don't wanna talk about it no more. 477 00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:25,255 It's like Manny never even existed. 478 00:33:27,048 --> 00:33:28,258 And... 479 00:33:30,176 --> 00:33:32,845 What do I tell these people? 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