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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:44,010 --> 00:00:49,130 a tributary of the Tigris-Euphrates River system in modern-day Iraq. 2 00:00:52,190 --> 00:00:57,990 Known in ancient times as Mesopotamia, this is where one of the first human 3 00:00:57,990 --> 00:01:00,530 civilizations emerged thousands of years ago. 4 00:01:07,430 --> 00:01:11,270 It's also where one of the earliest versions of money was invented. 5 00:01:14,220 --> 00:01:18,740 The story of money is one of the oldest and most powerful stories ever told. 6 00:01:19,540 --> 00:01:22,360 One that's still being written as we speak. 7 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:24,680 But what is money? 8 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:30,880 In short, money is trust, a shared belief of common value. 9 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,980 But trust is a fragile thing. 10 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,620 It can be shattered in an instant. 11 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,840 For example, this is not Mesopotamia. It's West Texas. 12 00:01:42,410 --> 00:01:44,070 Just a few hours from where I grew up. 13 00:01:49,290 --> 00:01:51,770 This is a film about a thing called cryptocurrency. 14 00:01:53,330 --> 00:01:54,330 It's pretty stupid. 15 00:01:59,530 --> 00:02:00,530 Did we get it? 16 00:02:13,550 --> 00:02:20,510 Put me on Lexapro a couple of days ago. Said I'll experience nausea. It'll 17 00:02:20,510 --> 00:02:23,830 help with the mania. Think they're already terrible. 18 00:02:24,490 --> 00:02:26,190 I'm pathetic, I'm terrible. 19 00:02:26,870 --> 00:02:28,710 I'm becoming paranoid. 20 00:02:29,310 --> 00:02:31,370 I'm falling into the void. 21 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:58,460 To understand my journey into the wilds of cryptocurrency, we have to go way 22 00:02:58,460 --> 00:03:01,620 back to my humble beginnings when I was a budding young actor. 23 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:06,540 guest stars on the hit Fox series, The O.C. Please welcome Ben McKenzie. 24 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:13,060 At the age of 24, my career started off with a bang when I was passed as Ryan 25 00:03:13,060 --> 00:03:16,160 Atwood, the brooding bad boy on The O.C. 26 00:03:16,700 --> 00:03:17,700 Who are you? 27 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:19,740 Whoever you want me to be. 28 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,400 I was tough as nails and soft as butter. A real teenage heartthrob. 29 00:03:25,620 --> 00:03:29,940 You are the it guy. You're like all over the place on the cover of TV Guide and 30 00:03:29,940 --> 00:03:31,740 YM. Or is it pronounced yum? 31 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,300 When it finished, I moved on to the gritty cop drama Southland. 32 00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:41,540 Southland is a terrific show, but I'm curious, do you still get fans of the OC 33 00:03:41,540 --> 00:03:44,880 that come up to you? You were a teen heartthrob on the OC. 34 00:03:45,220 --> 00:03:49,220 We've got to talk about the OC a little bit. All right, so I was still sort of 35 00:03:49,220 --> 00:03:50,220 that guy from the OC. 36 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,800 But then everything changed when I joined the Batman universe. 37 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,340 Many of us remember Ben McKenzie from The O.C. Good morning, guys. How are 38 00:03:59,340 --> 00:04:02,560 you? I just have to wait one second and say I loved you in The O.C. 39 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,500 Looking back at The O.C. 40 00:04:04,740 --> 00:04:09,220 and then... While the rest of the world was stuck in 2003, I was moving on. 41 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:11,340 Well, sort of. 42 00:04:13,060 --> 00:04:14,640 Smashing bad guys is fucking awesome. 43 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,680 And I even met the love of my life on the show. 44 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:23,120 But still, I was itching for something new. 45 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:24,720 And then... 46 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:25,880 Right on cue. 47 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:31,780 COVID head. You've got to be putting that disinfectant on these groceries, 48 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,520 making sure that you're scrubbing them. 49 00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:36,780 Hold up without work or direction. 50 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:38,520 I went a little stir crazy. 51 00:04:40,180 --> 00:04:44,580 So when my buddy Dave asked to catch up via Zoom, it was a welcome reprieve. 52 00:04:46,420 --> 00:04:49,640 As fate would have it, it turned out to be just the thing I needed. 53 00:04:51,620 --> 00:04:53,460 Why are you in your kid's bedroom? 54 00:04:54,190 --> 00:04:57,270 It's the only place, Ben. It's the only place I can go. 55 00:04:57,650 --> 00:04:59,410 Dave is a good friend from college. 56 00:05:00,050 --> 00:05:03,090 He has also given me the worst financial advice of my life. 57 00:05:04,650 --> 00:05:10,250 When I was in my 20s and flush with cash from TV, Dave encouraged me to buy stock 58 00:05:10,250 --> 00:05:12,170 in an obscure medical technology company. 59 00:05:12,810 --> 00:05:15,130 They were going to make a fortune, Dave told me. 60 00:05:15,490 --> 00:05:18,430 He had been at a wedding, and some random guy assured himself. 61 00:05:19,530 --> 00:05:22,190 I was young and dumb and excited by his excitement. 62 00:05:22,750 --> 00:05:24,510 So I put $10,000 into it. 63 00:05:25,130 --> 00:05:28,830 In less than a year, the stock tanked, and I lost almost all my money. 64 00:05:29,570 --> 00:05:33,290 So when Dave brought up Bitcoin, my skepticism was high. 65 00:05:33,790 --> 00:05:35,490 You know what's taking off is Bitcoin. 66 00:05:35,730 --> 00:05:36,730 Have you looked at that? 67 00:05:37,010 --> 00:05:39,970 I don't even know what the fuck it is. I guess a digital currency. 68 00:05:40,310 --> 00:05:41,310 A cryptocurrency. 69 00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:42,529 With money. 70 00:05:42,530 --> 00:05:43,930 With money. It's a cryptocurrency. 71 00:05:45,210 --> 00:05:47,530 That's a fucking cryptocurrency. I don't know what the fuck that means. Wait, 72 00:05:47,530 --> 00:05:50,490 what is this, like, what is this, like, look? What are you, like... I don't know 73 00:05:50,490 --> 00:05:51,490 if you know this about me. 74 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:53,900 Oh, enlighten me. 75 00:05:53,980 --> 00:05:54,980 I have a degree in economics. 76 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,660 We vetted that, by the way. Do you actually have a degree? 77 00:05:59,140 --> 00:06:00,140 Yes. 78 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,880 All right. Well, I mean, I don't know. 79 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,660 You're a pretty good actor. How do I know? 80 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,140 Whoa. Go back to that. 81 00:06:07,460 --> 00:06:11,760 If Dave's prior advice had taught me anything, it was that you should never 82 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,360 invest in something you don't understand. 83 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,540 Plus, I have a degree in economics. 84 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,340 Surely I can figure out this crypto stuff. 85 00:06:22,220 --> 00:06:23,220 No problem. 86 00:06:23,660 --> 00:06:26,280 Bitcoin, it's a new form of electronic money. 87 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,860 You know how email changed old-fashioned mail forever? 88 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,160 Yes. Well, Bitcoin is changing money forever. 89 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,240 That's essentially what a hard fork is. 90 00:06:38,460 --> 00:06:42,980 But there is also something called a soft fork. No banks, no fees, no 91 00:06:42,980 --> 00:06:47,640 inflation. These are the potential perks of this thing called Bitcoin. 92 00:06:53,119 --> 00:06:54,940 Bitcoin is brilliant. 93 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,280 The Bitcoin gospel is that it will revolutionize the world. Electronic 94 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:03,880 gold. Because it is the answer to our broken financial system. Intricately 95 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,120 thought out, cunning and multifaceted. 96 00:07:06,420 --> 00:07:10,300 Are you there? 97 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:16,180 The Bitcoin story is really powerful because we all agree on its premise. 98 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:18,240 Our current system sucks. 99 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,420 Remember back in 2008 when the banks and mortgage lenders got greedy and crashed 100 00:07:27,420 --> 00:07:28,420 the housing market? 101 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,020 After all was said and done, the banks got a slap on the wrist. 102 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,160 Some even got bailouts. Wall Street applauded the biggest government bailout 103 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:41,220 ever. Up to $700 billion taxpayer dollars on the line to purchase troubled 104 00:07:41,220 --> 00:07:44,840 assets that are clogging the financial system. Meanwhile, everyday Americans 105 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,120 received no bailout. 106 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,480 And far too many lost their homes. 107 00:07:49,300 --> 00:07:51,660 People felt betrayed, and for good reason. 108 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,800 their trust in the mainstream financial system had been shattered. 109 00:07:56,460 --> 00:07:57,560 Greed is everywhere. 110 00:07:58,020 --> 00:08:01,620 Wall Street got bailed out and we all got sold out. Let's tell the truth. 111 00:08:01,980 --> 00:08:04,960 And it was out of this breakdown that Bitcoin was born. 112 00:08:08,420 --> 00:08:13,400 Someone, or some people, calling themselves Satoshi Nakamoto, created the 113 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:14,400 code for Bitcoin. 114 00:08:17,180 --> 00:08:21,580 There could only be 21 million Bitcoin ever made, and no one. 115 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:22,840 had control over. 116 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:29,280 The Bitcoin phenomenon is trying to take control of money away from the state and 117 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:30,560 return it to individuals. 118 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,440 You have an option to trust code, so we don't have to trust centralized 119 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,200 intermediaries. And so when I specifically buy Bitcoin, I'm using my 120 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:45,060 own personal capital to prop up and support the emergence of something that 121 00:08:45,060 --> 00:08:47,460 would rip apart the existing financial system. 122 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,140 And if it does, God bless it. 123 00:08:50,850 --> 00:08:54,850 In theory, Bitcoin sounded like a promising solution to the status quo. 124 00:08:55,550 --> 00:08:56,850 But I had a few questions. 125 00:08:57,630 --> 00:09:02,330 How could Bitcoin work as a currency if its price was ping-ponging wildly up and 126 00:09:02,330 --> 00:09:03,330 down day to day? 127 00:09:03,930 --> 00:09:07,490 It's pretty incredible. I mean, Friday, Bitcoin was trading at, what, almost $42 128 00:09:07,490 --> 00:09:08,490 ,000? 129 00:09:09,210 --> 00:09:12,190 And now we're down to about $31,000 and change right now. 130 00:09:12,610 --> 00:09:14,110 Why the tumult over the weekend? 131 00:09:14,410 --> 00:09:17,450 And why did I feel like I was being herded into a quasi-cult? 132 00:09:18,270 --> 00:09:21,770 You have the saying that there is no free money, there is no free lunch. 133 00:09:21,950 --> 00:09:25,010 Well, in crypto, there is a lot of free lunch. The question you have to ask 134 00:09:25,010 --> 00:09:28,330 yourself is which side of history do you want to be on? I mean, I'm eating free 135 00:09:28,330 --> 00:09:31,450 lunch here every day. Just because there's a finite amount of something 136 00:09:31,450 --> 00:09:32,950 doesn't mean it's inherently valuable. 137 00:09:35,410 --> 00:09:36,610 That's my econ degree talking. 138 00:09:37,110 --> 00:09:40,570 But when I really boiled it down, I just didn't trust it. 139 00:09:41,510 --> 00:09:44,430 It had the feeling of a generational hallucination. 140 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,660 Take all your money, buy Bitcoin. 141 00:09:48,020 --> 00:09:50,540 Go mortgage your house and buy Bitcoin. 142 00:09:50,740 --> 00:09:53,060 Nothing else matters. 143 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,140 And that's when I saw it. 144 00:09:56,340 --> 00:09:59,540 The crypto commercial that would haunt my dreams. 145 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,400 History is filled with almosts. 146 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:11,640 With those who almost adventured, who almost achieved, but ultimately, for 147 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,000 them it proved to be too much. 148 00:10:13,380 --> 00:10:20,380 And in these moments of truth, These mere mortals, they calm 149 00:10:20,380 --> 00:10:26,740 their minds and steel their nerves with four simple words. Fortune 150 00:10:26,740 --> 00:10:28,160 favors the brave. 151 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:35,280 I mean, what the fuck? 152 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,480 What the fuck does Matt Damon know about cryptocurrency? 153 00:10:39,380 --> 00:10:44,740 Nothing! Are you mad at him for this, or because he's more famous than you are? 154 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:49,000 He might be taller, too. 155 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:50,420 He's not taller than me. 156 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,100 All right, so it says he's 5'10", but... Not sure. 157 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:01,860 I also say I'm 5'10". It wasn't just Damon. A bunch of other yahoos got in on 158 00:11:01,860 --> 00:11:02,439 the act. 159 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:03,540 I'm all in. Are you? 160 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,400 You know what? 161 00:11:05,820 --> 00:11:06,599 I'm in. 162 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:07,620 Oh, I'm in, bro. 163 00:11:08,020 --> 00:11:09,060 Now here's the thing. 164 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,140 Celebrities have always shilled products. 165 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,960 Ever since there have been celebrities. 166 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,260 Even my wife has done it. There's nothing wrong with that. 167 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,460 But this isn't a sandwich or skin cream. 168 00:11:20,100 --> 00:11:21,800 This was a financial product. 169 00:11:22,060 --> 00:11:26,400 Crypto will really be the future. If you aren't a licensed financial advisor, 170 00:11:26,540 --> 00:11:28,760 you're not supposed to offer people financial advice. 171 00:11:28,980 --> 00:11:30,220 It's literally illegal. 172 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,680 It's the new wave. It's what everybody's doing. As an actor, I'm a professional 173 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:38,800 bullshitter. Yeah, I don't think so. And my gut told me the guys selling people 174 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,280 on crypto were fraud. 175 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,280 The cryptocurrency you can trade for conventional money. 176 00:11:45,550 --> 00:11:46,550 So it's a hustle. 177 00:11:46,990 --> 00:11:47,990 Yeah, it's a hustle. 178 00:11:48,110 --> 00:11:49,450 Why did you say that, man? 179 00:11:49,790 --> 00:11:50,790 It's a hustle. 180 00:11:52,110 --> 00:11:58,390 Up against a multi-trillion dollar industry shielded by every celebrity on 181 00:11:58,390 --> 00:12:02,030 the planet, I did what any other actor would do in my career. 182 00:12:02,830 --> 00:12:09,630 I hired a film crew. 183 00:12:09,990 --> 00:12:12,270 This is Giorgio. He's going to be filming me. 184 00:12:16,810 --> 00:12:18,910 He's going to film, yeah. He's going to make a movie. 185 00:12:19,210 --> 00:12:20,430 You want to be in a movie? 186 00:12:20,730 --> 00:12:21,770 Yeah. Okay. 187 00:12:25,790 --> 00:12:27,370 What's this thing? 188 00:12:27,770 --> 00:12:28,770 It's a lens. 189 00:12:29,050 --> 00:12:30,750 And I'm in my ball. 190 00:12:31,290 --> 00:12:32,550 Ooh, that's a nice ball. 191 00:12:32,910 --> 00:12:35,730 It smells like strawberries. 192 00:12:36,730 --> 00:12:39,150 Oh, it's a checker. Whoa! 193 00:12:40,870 --> 00:12:45,770 I think they're coming downstairs. Let's go say hi to Mama and Juju. 194 00:12:47,180 --> 00:12:49,280 Yeah, we're going to go tell them that we're making a movie. 195 00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:53,960 We're excited to watch a movie here. 196 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:55,520 Is this Georgie up? 197 00:12:55,980 --> 00:12:56,980 Hello. Hi. 198 00:12:57,180 --> 00:12:58,180 Hi. Good to meet you. 199 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:02,460 We're just going to film it. 200 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:04,820 He'll be quiet, we promise. 201 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,160 Georgie is very nice. 202 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,660 Did you talk to my agent yet? 203 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:10,900 No, ma'am. 204 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,900 All right, Arthur, I'm putting cheese on your pasta, okay? 205 00:13:15,670 --> 00:13:17,550 Do you want cheese on your pasta? Do you want to put it on? 206 00:13:18,350 --> 00:13:23,850 Guy Giorgio is going to be with us for, like, the next undetermined one to 12 207 00:13:23,850 --> 00:13:27,090 months. Is everyone clear on what I'm doing? 208 00:13:27,350 --> 00:13:28,350 Do you guys know what I'm doing? 209 00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:29,489 Oh, yeah. 210 00:13:29,490 --> 00:13:30,490 What? What am I doing? 211 00:13:30,910 --> 00:13:32,410 You're trying to make fun of everybody. 212 00:13:33,030 --> 00:13:34,030 Yeah, 213 00:13:34,330 --> 00:13:35,330 that's pretty much it. 214 00:13:36,010 --> 00:13:38,310 So I was making Cheetos in class. 215 00:13:38,940 --> 00:13:43,440 But then I got Cheeto fingers and I rubbed my eyes and my eyes were burning 216 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:44,560 hot all throughout class. 217 00:13:54,820 --> 00:13:55,820 To me. 218 00:13:57,500 --> 00:14:04,480 To develop a deeper understanding of Crypto's true believers, I needed 219 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:05,680 to observe them in the wild. 220 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,920 Bittingly enough, They were gathered in Miami. 221 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,240 Tens of thousands of people are heading to Miami this weekend for what's being 222 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,500 called the largest cryptocurrency conference in history. 223 00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:25,580 Getting a nice shot of no balls, right? 224 00:14:28,380 --> 00:14:33,700 The Bitcoin conference in Miami claimed to be the largest in the world. 50,000 225 00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:34,960 people were expected to attend. 226 00:14:35,540 --> 00:14:37,360 I wanted to see Bitcoin in action. 227 00:14:37,710 --> 00:14:39,450 And this seemed like the perfect place to do it. 228 00:14:39,830 --> 00:14:40,830 Matt Damon? 229 00:14:40,910 --> 00:14:41,910 Matt Damon? 230 00:14:42,730 --> 00:14:43,890 Sorry, have you seen Matt Damon? 231 00:14:44,330 --> 00:14:47,130 But first, this Austin boy wanted to have some fun. 232 00:14:48,090 --> 00:14:49,490 Don't worry, folks. I'm from Texas. 233 00:14:49,710 --> 00:14:50,710 I know what I'm doing. 234 00:14:51,650 --> 00:14:52,650 Oh! 235 00:14:52,810 --> 00:14:53,810 Oh! 236 00:14:54,330 --> 00:14:55,330 Oh! 237 00:14:56,410 --> 00:14:57,410 Oh! 238 00:14:57,650 --> 00:14:58,650 Oh! 239 00:15:01,110 --> 00:15:02,310 Hey, we can edit that, right? 240 00:15:02,610 --> 00:15:03,810 That's fine. It's fine. 241 00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:06,030 Oh, starry night. 242 00:15:07,470 --> 00:15:14,030 There we go. American beer. And I can pay in Bitcoin? 243 00:15:15,110 --> 00:15:18,950 Right now, sir, we're using only the credit card. We used to have the 244 00:15:18,950 --> 00:15:20,990 Bitcoin, but it's not working at this time. 245 00:15:21,310 --> 00:15:22,089 Not working? 246 00:15:22,090 --> 00:15:23,090 Oh, is this your art? 247 00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:24,510 Oh, hey, man, how are you? 248 00:15:24,890 --> 00:15:25,890 Bitcoin fucking money. 249 00:15:26,230 --> 00:15:27,550 Bitcoin shitting money. 250 00:15:27,850 --> 00:15:28,990 Bitcoin fucking money. 251 00:15:29,450 --> 00:15:30,550 Bitcoin shitting money. 252 00:15:31,090 --> 00:15:34,430 Got it. Yeah, I'm really sorry for that. That's all right. That's all right. I 253 00:15:34,430 --> 00:15:36,150 think I can use regular real money. 254 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,880 I'm starting my own coin called Bencoin. I buy a favor in Bencoin. 255 00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:42,680 If I can catch you up. 256 00:15:43,420 --> 00:15:44,640 There you go, right? 257 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,640 Yeah, I mean, you got to get in early with the future. Otherwise, it'll pass 258 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:49,640 you by. 259 00:15:49,780 --> 00:15:52,000 Does it ever feel like a little bit like a cult to you? 260 00:15:52,300 --> 00:15:53,860 It's like flaming eyeballs, yeah? 261 00:15:54,220 --> 00:15:56,840 It's like Game of Thrones shit. Yeah, it's like Game of Thrones shit. 262 00:15:57,980 --> 00:16:02,540 I tried to buy my beer in Bitcoin and it didn't really work. Well, no, it didn't 263 00:16:02,540 --> 00:16:04,140 over there. They were having some problems. 264 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,480 Does it take time? 265 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:09,860 It's like 20 minutes to process the transaction. 266 00:16:10,340 --> 00:16:13,100 I was having a hard time seeing the advantages of Bitcoin. 267 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,860 But then I met an unlikely fan. 268 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,980 His name was Alex, and he worked for the Human Rights Foundation. 269 00:16:20,860 --> 00:16:23,760 There's like tens of millions of people in emerging market countries that use 270 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:28,580 this thing because it's the best option they have. Money, finance, economics was 271 00:16:28,580 --> 00:16:30,280 hardly ever a part of the human rights discourse. 272 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,680 But when you actually ask human rights activists from different countries about 273 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,040 money, they always have crazy stories. 274 00:16:47,140 --> 00:16:49,100 Alex made a compelling point. 275 00:16:49,420 --> 00:16:53,240 Maybe Bitcoin could be a tool for good. But then I thought about its wildly 276 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:54,240 fluctuating price. 277 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,060 What if all these people in developing countries bought in and Bitcoin's price 278 00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:01,240 crashed? 279 00:17:05,130 --> 00:17:06,510 The coin's what? $44,000. 280 00:17:06,810 --> 00:17:08,270 Wasn't it $48,000 like yesterday? 281 00:17:08,970 --> 00:17:09,970 Was that the day before? 282 00:17:10,290 --> 00:17:11,290 How much was it? 283 00:17:11,329 --> 00:17:15,990 Well, five years ago, it was... But like yesterday, it was $47,000, and now it's 284 00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:18,829 $48,000. What is it today? $43,000? I don't know. I think it's $44,000. 285 00:17:20,790 --> 00:17:27,390 The important thing is... Two years ago, it was $4 286 00:17:27,390 --> 00:17:30,830 ,000. So the important thing to remember is that over time, the thing gets... $43 287 00:17:30,830 --> 00:17:31,970 ,000 today. Right. 288 00:17:32,350 --> 00:17:34,750 So in 2020, in April, it was $4,000. 289 00:17:34,990 --> 00:17:38,590 So the important thing is that over time, it gets more valuable. 290 00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:40,430 It just didn't make sense to me. 291 00:17:40,890 --> 00:17:43,810 But Alex assured me the argument was bigger than price. 292 00:17:44,050 --> 00:17:46,930 This is about separation of money and state. It's making a huge difference 293 00:17:46,930 --> 00:17:50,950 around the world. I think every country should have Bitcoin as legal tender to 294 00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:54,050 transact, earn income, pay taxes, whatever. 295 00:17:54,670 --> 00:17:58,370 Could the crypto utopia that Alex described exist in real life? 296 00:17:59,330 --> 00:18:00,790 After some intense research? 297 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:02,520 I found an answer. 298 00:18:06,620 --> 00:18:07,760 El Salvador. 299 00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:13,720 This book represents El Salvador's history of currency. 300 00:18:14,220 --> 00:18:19,360 For a long time, cocoa was used, and then the cologne, until it was replaced 301 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:20,460 by the U.S. dollar. 302 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:26,060 In 2021, El Salvador became the first country in the world to use Bitcoin as 303 00:18:26,060 --> 00:18:27,060 legal tender. 304 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,060 You don't need a dash. 305 00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:32,680 to walk around dressed in cash like El Salvador. 306 00:18:33,820 --> 00:18:35,500 If I bought that for you, would you wear it? 307 00:18:39,740 --> 00:18:41,460 So, why do you need to go there? 308 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:45,460 Because they're trying to use Bitcoin as money. 309 00:18:46,260 --> 00:18:47,440 Well, is it safe? 310 00:18:47,860 --> 00:18:48,860 It's totally safe. 311 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:50,040 One second. 312 00:18:51,500 --> 00:18:55,140 It says it has one of the highest murder rates in the world. 313 00:18:55,540 --> 00:18:58,420 No, it used to have the highest murder rate in the world. 314 00:19:02,229 --> 00:19:04,530 Now... Now it has the highest incarceration rate. 315 00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:08,210 So, it's totally safe. 316 00:19:09,250 --> 00:19:11,430 Plus, you know, I speak excellent Spanish. 317 00:19:15,570 --> 00:19:16,570 Oh, my God. 318 00:19:23,150 --> 00:19:25,790 Glad you think it's funny. 319 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,620 Gang turned El Salvador's murder into one of the highest in the world. Some 75 320 00:19:33,620 --> 00:19:35,460 ,000 people have been arrested. 321 00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:41,000 People can also face 15 years in prison, and this applies to journalists, too. 322 00:19:44,060 --> 00:19:44,660 They 323 00:19:44,660 --> 00:19:52,840 seem 324 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,940 to be giving Ben a hard time. 325 00:19:56,590 --> 00:19:58,030 You just called for a supervisor. 326 00:19:59,930 --> 00:20:00,930 Oh. 327 00:20:02,890 --> 00:20:04,190 They just want his picture. 328 00:20:05,730 --> 00:20:06,890 God bless the O.C. 329 00:20:10,090 --> 00:20:15,990 What's up, dude? 330 00:20:18,010 --> 00:20:20,310 Ah, shit. I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. 331 00:20:20,650 --> 00:20:22,050 Uh, guess where I am. 332 00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:28,110 I'm not in Wisconsin. 333 00:20:28,190 --> 00:20:29,330 I'm in El Salvador. 334 00:20:29,730 --> 00:20:30,750 Can you guess why? 335 00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:35,630 Bitcoin, 336 00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:37,870 baby. Bitcoin. 337 00:20:41,490 --> 00:20:43,010 Dude, you can't make this shit up. 338 00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:49,110 I don't know. 339 00:20:53,310 --> 00:20:54,310 That's the God answer. 340 00:20:56,780 --> 00:21:02,520 In 2019, a former advertising executive named Nayib Bukele docked the political 341 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,320 establishment when he was elected president of El Salvador. 342 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:11,080 The crypto bro Prez changed his Twitter handle to the coolest dictator in the 343 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:16,920 world and bragged about casually buying Bitcoin using the state treasury while 344 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:17,920 sitting in the toilet. 345 00:21:18,660 --> 00:21:23,400 Bukele sold a bold vision of the country as a revolutionary Bitcoin Switzerland. 346 00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:27,300 That would attract worldwide attention. 347 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,360 Mr. President, thanks for joining us. 348 00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:32,380 Thank you, Tucker, for inviting me. We're not condoning every single thing 349 00:21:32,380 --> 00:21:35,640 the El Salvador government has ever done. I just think that them adopting 350 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,380 Bitcoin is one of the best things that you could possibly do for the nation. 351 00:21:39,620 --> 00:21:43,000 I wanted to see how much Bitcoin had changed life in El Salvador. 352 00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:49,020 It was time to go shopping. 353 00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:57,190 Bitcoin? Bitcoin? 354 00:21:57,910 --> 00:21:58,910 Except on? No, no. 355 00:21:59,430 --> 00:22:00,650 Except on Bitcoin? 356 00:22:01,210 --> 00:22:02,210 No. Bitcoin? 357 00:22:02,430 --> 00:22:03,430 No. 358 00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:05,150 Except on Bitcoin? 359 00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:07,450 Bitcoin? No. 360 00:22:07,770 --> 00:22:10,730 Okay, I'll stop for a second. Okay. Except on Bitcoin? 361 00:22:11,610 --> 00:22:12,810 No. No Bitcoin. 362 00:22:13,690 --> 00:22:15,390 Except on Bitcoin? 363 00:22:15,890 --> 00:22:16,890 No. 364 00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:19,410 Except on Bitcoin? 365 00:22:23,790 --> 00:22:25,210 The marketplace was a bust. 366 00:22:25,630 --> 00:22:28,690 But there was another prong in Bukele's Bitcoin revolution. 367 00:22:29,030 --> 00:22:32,630 He claimed Bitcoin would save his citizens millions in remittance fees 368 00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:35,290 when sending or receiving money from overseas. 369 00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:39,610 It was a common argument for pro-Bitcoiners. 370 00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:42,410 I think what a lot of people don't understand in the United States is that 371 00:22:42,410 --> 00:22:46,090 a lot of people live in countries and work in countries and they have to send 372 00:22:46,090 --> 00:22:50,470 money home. A lot of it's cross-border. And that transaction fee in and of 373 00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:52,970 itself, transferring money, can run you... 374 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,760 10%. Nice idea, but reality painted a different picture. According to the 375 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,180 government's own figures, just 1.6% of remittances were paid using Bitcoin. 376 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:09,880 But Bukele, ever the salesman, refused to concede defeat. 377 00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:12,620 Instead, he went bigger. 378 00:23:34,249 --> 00:23:41,110 In November 2021, Bukele announced what he 379 00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:46,270 called Bitcoin City, a tax-free paradise for coiners in eastern El Salvador. 380 00:23:46,570 --> 00:23:50,050 The showpiece city would be built in the shadows of Conchagua volcano. 381 00:23:57,690 --> 00:23:59,740 Bukele. Love, the volcano. 382 00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:09,440 Since I was already in the country, I figured, what the hell, might as well 383 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,440 check it out. 384 00:24:20,420 --> 00:24:24,160 We drove more than a hundred miles to La Union, on the eastern edge of the 385 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,160 country. 386 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:27,640 What we found was a sleepy fishing village. 387 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:32,220 and almost no evidence of any actual development of this supposed city of 388 00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:33,220 gold. 389 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:36,280 We did, however, meet a guy named Corbin. 390 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,520 This is the perfect location for that dream and vision, and this is where I 391 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:46,080 want to be for that reason of being the first resident citizen of Bitcoin City. 392 00:24:47,140 --> 00:24:49,060 I'm an industrial designer. 393 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,500 I've had hundreds of jobs and a few careers in there. 394 00:24:52,910 --> 00:24:57,230 um in in all that time i'm asking the question of what is money where is it 395 00:24:57,230 --> 00:25:03,110 coming from who's who's in control of it bitcoin isn't just a vehicle for me to 396 00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:09,510 make money it's freedom one man casasita 397 00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:13,050 or uh or chiquita citadel 398 00:25:17,820 --> 00:25:23,880 Built it out of cinder blocks, poured a concrete slab myself, and built it on it 399 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:24,880 on myself. 400 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,220 But this is just the earliest first stage. 401 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:32,260 I build up from here. As Bitcoin goes up, my casa goes up. 402 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,760 Outside over here is my bathroom. 403 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,720 At first, I was met with disbelief. Like, wait, why would you, an American 404 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,080 gringo, want to come and live here? 405 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,180 I don't know how to explain, you know, well, things are going to change here, 406 00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:55,420 there's going to be a Bitcoin city over there, a new airport, mucho turismo. 407 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,720 I want to be here because I like it as is and I like the potential of what's 408 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,720 coming. 409 00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:13,800 There was only one problem with this grand vision of Bitcoin City. 410 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,260 The people who were living there were in the way. 411 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,220 Wilfredo Claros is a fisherman by trade. 412 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,460 He and his family have lived in La Union for generations. 413 00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:35,340 But now the community is being threatened with displacement so that the 414 00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:38,060 airport to service Bitcoin City can be built on their land. 415 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,780 In exchange for leaving, the government has offered Wilfredo a fraction of what 416 00:26:42,780 --> 00:26:43,780 his property is worth. 417 00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:47,430 He has been told the offer is take it or leave it. 418 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,360 Because it's part of our generation, of our life, of our being. 419 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,440 And that's what's going to hurt us one day, to see that this is destroyed. 420 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,760 It doesn't make any sense. 421 00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:31,120 So you don't use Bitcoin? 422 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,520 I've seen many people who have tried Bitcoin and it hasn't worked. 423 00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:48,790 Your sister is muy inteligente. 424 00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:56,050 It was clear to me that Bukele's sales pitch of a Bitcoin-embracing nation 425 00:27:56,050 --> 00:27:57,210 was full of holes. 426 00:27:57,770 --> 00:28:01,730 It felt like a pumped-up marketing scheme with little substance behind it. 427 00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:04,350 Was it designed to put El Salvador on the map? 428 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,780 or just Bukele. 429 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:12,080 Never before I could have done something that would impact 10 million lives. 430 00:28:12,820 --> 00:28:16,900 Why would I do this if it wasn't for the legacy to change this country? 431 00:28:36,490 --> 00:28:37,449 Got a visitor. 432 00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:39,330 Hi. Good morning. 433 00:28:43,410 --> 00:28:47,510 After leaving El Salvador, I made my way to London, where Moreno was shooting a 434 00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:48,510 new film. 435 00:28:48,550 --> 00:28:52,570 The whole family had come along for the ride, and my crypto journey was put on 436 00:28:52,570 --> 00:28:53,570 hold. 437 00:28:54,250 --> 00:28:56,290 To be honest, I was fine with it. 438 00:28:57,050 --> 00:28:59,350 I needed a break from Bitcoin sleuthing. 439 00:29:00,290 --> 00:29:02,310 It was time to get back to something real. 440 00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:05,410 Showbiz. 441 00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:14,210 Is it right if I come in? 442 00:29:14,590 --> 00:29:15,590 How does it work? 443 00:29:16,170 --> 00:29:19,050 All right. I'm going to hit you. Hollywood thing. 444 00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:22,610 Isn't it nice? Is this yours? 445 00:29:22,830 --> 00:29:25,310 Like, is this the one that you go to? Yes, this is mine. 446 00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:27,150 Jerry is next door. 447 00:29:28,110 --> 00:29:29,110 Jerry Bowers. 448 00:29:30,190 --> 00:29:31,750 The Jerry Bowers. Yes. 449 00:29:32,390 --> 00:29:34,070 This is Sparta! 450 00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:37,250 I don't want to annoy him. 451 00:29:40,210 --> 00:29:43,050 Don't talk to him about it. What do you think Jerry Butler thinks about Cripple 452 00:29:43,050 --> 00:29:44,570 Currency? I haven't asked. 453 00:29:45,890 --> 00:29:47,330 I made a ton of money on it. 454 00:29:47,770 --> 00:29:50,010 Yeah, yeah. Like, really. I've done really well. 455 00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:52,050 Really, really, really well. 456 00:29:52,350 --> 00:29:53,370 Out of it. Yeah. 457 00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:54,590 Wow. So far. 458 00:29:54,850 --> 00:29:57,150 Yeah. But I don't know anything about it. 459 00:29:57,450 --> 00:29:59,790 Well, it doesn't matter, right? It doesn't matter. 460 00:30:01,310 --> 00:30:03,110 Absolutely. How are you doing? 461 00:30:03,390 --> 00:30:06,130 Yeah, I'm all right. I'll tell you what I'm doing. You see it? 462 00:30:06,510 --> 00:30:07,510 Yeah, yeah. 463 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,840 I guess a documentary. 464 00:30:10,940 --> 00:30:15,340 You know, trying to get the word out. I mean, it's hard because it's so 465 00:30:15,340 --> 00:30:20,260 successful and so many people made so much money on it. So it's kind of hard 466 00:30:20,260 --> 00:30:21,260 to get that story out. 467 00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:23,900 Are you still acting? 468 00:30:25,540 --> 00:30:29,180 Yeah. Yeah? No, I did a pilot. 469 00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:31,100 Oh, nice. 470 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,160 It didn't go. 471 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,640 No. 472 00:30:58,730 --> 00:31:00,530 Maybe Gerard Butler was right. 473 00:31:01,490 --> 00:31:05,850 As long as everyone was getting rich on this Bitcoin stuff, why bother to 474 00:31:05,850 --> 00:31:07,210 understand how it actually works? 475 00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:30,120 Yeah What's that? 476 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,020 Yeah, that's it. I do remember. 477 00:31:32,340 --> 00:31:35,500 Do you remember that? Yeah, maybe 10, 12 years ago. 20. 478 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,800 20? Yeah. That makes me feel old. 479 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,120 That makes me feel old. 480 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,779 What's your name? 481 00:31:40,780 --> 00:31:41,780 Scott. 482 00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:43,680 Scott Ben. Scott Ben. 483 00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:46,780 What are you doing now? 484 00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:50,440 This. I'm filming a documentary. 485 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,160 Yeah. 486 00:31:52,380 --> 00:31:53,560 What's your documentary about? 487 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,680 It's about cryptocurrency. 488 00:31:57,419 --> 00:31:58,960 Yeah. Do you know anything about it? 489 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,400 Yeah, a little bit. 490 00:32:00,580 --> 00:32:02,920 I've seen her put money on it once. Yeah. 491 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,800 I fell for a hundred pounds. 492 00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:08,740 Yeah. And probably six months made lots of money. Why? 493 00:32:10,060 --> 00:32:11,780 Because she asked me for more money. 494 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,160 Really? 495 00:32:13,340 --> 00:32:16,440 Really. I didn't get any money back. 496 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,860 I don't know anything about it. I'm a scaffold. I've got no clue about 497 00:32:20,860 --> 00:32:22,900 anything like that. Was it from an advert? 498 00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:27,060 Yeah, yeah, yeah. From an Instagram advert, yeah. I saw somebody advertising 499 00:32:27,060 --> 00:32:31,280 it, telling you how to make money and blah, blah. So I went on. I started 500 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,000 trading things. 501 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,920 Give us the real money and we'll give you the other stuff. 502 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:38,839 Yeah, exactly. 503 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,260 It's the future of money. We just need the real stuff right now. 504 00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:42,980 Gerard Butler was honest. 505 00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:45,060 He had just gotten lucky with Bitcoin. 506 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,060 But I had to believe there were more Scott the scaffolders out there regular 507 00:32:50,060 --> 00:32:54,580 people trying to make an extra buck and getting scammed I Had to keep going 508 00:32:54,580 --> 00:33:00,700 Where to begin 509 00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:05,880 it felt like crypto was everywhere the virus spreading in infinite directions 510 00:33:15,340 --> 00:33:18,200 We can just make as many tokens as your heart desires. 511 00:33:18,540 --> 00:33:23,140 There were so many promising crypto coins out there, with names like 512 00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:26,900 Internet Computer, Bonk, and Cum Rockets. 513 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,260 In the crypto community, they were known as shit coins. 514 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:37,660 And with the frenzy in full effect, trying to figure out where to go next 515 00:33:37,660 --> 00:33:38,660 was daunting. 516 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,420 We do know that Elon Musk is a huge proponent of Dogecoin and says that it 517 00:33:45,420 --> 00:33:47,100 could really become the world's currency. 518 00:34:27,469 --> 00:34:29,489 We need someone to help us with our financial life. 519 00:34:31,409 --> 00:34:36,090 And normally we trust people that we think are acting in our best interest. 520 00:34:36,949 --> 00:34:40,290 But what if these people are not acting in our best interest? What if their 521 00:34:40,290 --> 00:34:44,409 interest is exactly the opposite of ours? Should we continue giving them our 522 00:34:44,409 --> 00:34:46,750 money? Or should we take the money and put it somewhere else? 523 00:34:47,670 --> 00:34:52,310 Celsius Network, we decided to create a replacement for the banking system. 524 00:34:53,650 --> 00:34:56,150 We have 1.2 million customers. 525 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,600 and we're adding about $100,000 a month, we've paid a billion dollars back to the 526 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,340 community in interest. That's probably more than some of the largest banks in 527 00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:08,820 the world. It just shows you how banks are not your friends. 528 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,740 But Alex is your friend? 529 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:12,240 Yes. 530 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,300 Celsius sought to upend the banking system, led by its founder, Alex 531 00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:18,300 Mashinsky. 532 00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:23,440 Rather than keep the profits for themselves, like most banks, Alex wanted 533 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,080 to give that money back to the users. 534 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,580 But this new model for a bank had a fatal flaw. 535 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,340 Celsius was not a bank. 536 00:35:35,020 --> 00:35:36,620 It even said so on its website. 537 00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:40,160 You know, in the very small print at the bottom of the page. 538 00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:42,620 Not shady at all. 539 00:35:43,580 --> 00:35:47,100 If something happened to Celsius, your money might be gone forever. 540 00:35:48,540 --> 00:35:51,500 A real, licensed U.S. bank is just the opposite. 541 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,120 If the bank goes under, our government steps in to cover the loss. 542 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,040 The system works because people trust it. and they trust it because it works. 543 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,720 Mashinsky claimed to have built a better bank, but I suspected he had created 544 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,000 something far more dangerous. 545 00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:26,700 It was time to take my film crew to meet Alex Mashinsky. 546 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,660 As luck would have it, he happened to be in my hometown. 547 00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:39,640 The clothing brand Poopy and Pooper? 548 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,680 That guy's definitely in the grips of that. 549 00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:46,200 South By featured the bleeding edge of technology. 550 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,740 Things like virtual reality, pickleball, and 551 00:36:51,740 --> 00:36:54,680 the CIA. 552 00:36:55,660 --> 00:36:59,120 What you're going to do is press and hold that A button. 553 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,560 Or B button, sorry. 554 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:01,558 Hold this button? 555 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,560 Yeah. 556 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,320 Whoa. 557 00:37:08,020 --> 00:37:10,480 I don't know if you guys are aware of the CIS podcast. 558 00:37:11,540 --> 00:37:12,900 The CIS podcast? 559 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,480 Yeah, we do. Check it out. 560 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,520 As I made my way to the Celsius booth, I decided I would play the role of a 561 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,600 gullible actor stumbling onto crypto. 562 00:37:22,980 --> 00:37:24,040 Should be easy enough. 563 00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:31,730 Yeah, I was on the UC and then I did a show called Southland, which was a LA 564 00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:32,730 cop show. 565 00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:34,050 What are you guys doing here? 566 00:37:34,750 --> 00:37:36,510 We're Crypto. We're Celsius. 567 00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:38,170 Oh, right, right, right. 568 00:37:38,830 --> 00:37:39,669 That's us. 569 00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:40,670 That's you guys? Yeah. 570 00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:42,110 That's our logo. 571 00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:44,250 Oh. I'm the CEO. 572 00:37:45,310 --> 00:37:46,490 Oh, my God. 573 00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:48,670 You're in the right place. 574 00:37:48,810 --> 00:37:49,890 Yeah, so what does it do? 575 00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:51,510 What does Celsius do? 576 00:37:52,940 --> 00:37:56,380 Basically do the opposite of what banks do. Anything a bank does, we do the 577 00:37:56,380 --> 00:37:57,380 opposite. Okay. 578 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,680 Okay, they charge you a fee, we don't charge you a fee. 579 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,160 How do you make money then? We pay you interest. 580 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,580 Okay, how do you make money then? 581 00:38:04,860 --> 00:38:07,680 Banks make a lot of money. They don't want to give it to you, they give it to 582 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,419 their shareholders. 583 00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:10,160 Uh-huh, uh-huh. We give it to our community. 584 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,680 We take all the profits and give it to our community. It's like a community 585 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,240 bank. Except it's not a bank. 586 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,760 So has Celsius experienced any legal trouble? 587 00:38:20,910 --> 00:38:23,410 I don't know what you mean by legal trouble. 588 00:38:23,770 --> 00:38:27,630 Well, legal proceedings. Has anybody sued you guys? Have you had any fines or 589 00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:31,890 anything? There's no financial institution that is not getting 590 00:38:31,890 --> 00:38:33,410 inspected by all these agents. 591 00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:39,470 Every day. I'm not hearing a no. I'm just asking you an honest question. The 592 00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:40,328 answer is no. 593 00:38:40,330 --> 00:38:44,250 The answer was, in fact, yes. 594 00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:48,930 Celsius was facing legal action in multiple states. New Jersey, Alabama, 595 00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:50,230 and even Texas. 596 00:38:51,279 --> 00:38:55,360 So what do you say to the people who have been scammed in crypto? Obviously, 597 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,319 they're happy people. 598 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,660 We can all acknowledge that. So what do you say to those? 599 00:38:58,940 --> 00:39:00,960 What's the solution to that? How do we fix that? 600 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,860 On Twitter asked me, Alex, how come all these cameras are coming to crypto? I'm 601 00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:09,020 like, you left the door open, you left the window open. Of course they're going 602 00:39:09,020 --> 00:39:11,280 to come and steal from you. So it's maybe sort of their fault. 603 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,000 It's not just that. 604 00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:17,400 If you left money on the street, do you expect it to be there in the morning? 605 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,660 It's not just that. I think a lot of this has to do with easy money and 606 00:39:20,660 --> 00:39:26,680 fraud. They go hand in hand. Because as soon as you say, I want to park my 607 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,000 currency with you. 608 00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:29,840 Toward the end of our conversation. 609 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,560 with the video off but the audio still rolling. 610 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,540 I asked him how much real money he thought was in the crypto system. 611 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,500 It was 612 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:47,340 a jaw-droppingly low number, 613 00:39:47,420 --> 00:39:51,600 and mildly concerning as the crypto market had been booming for years. 614 00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:55,990 Cryptocurrency is going mainstream with a total market cap of nearly $3 615 00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:56,990 trillion. 616 00:39:57,490 --> 00:40:01,390 MasterCard says now any banker merchant on its network will soon be able to 617 00:40:01,390 --> 00:40:02,390 offer crypto services. 618 00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:06,610 Bitcoin investors feeling good as hell today. The crypto coin reaching an all 619 00:40:06,610 --> 00:40:09,290 -time high of $68,000. 620 00:40:09,570 --> 00:40:13,370 We do see Bitcoin going up and up and up. It's amazing. It's amazing. Where is 621 00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:17,030 it going? It's probably going to $100,000 and $150,000 and $200,000. 622 00:40:17,410 --> 00:40:18,690 It made zero sense. 623 00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:24,900 Maybe it was time to meet my mysterious friend. 624 00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:36,940 Hey, this is Dave. I can't come to the phone right now, but leave your name and 625 00:40:36,940 --> 00:40:39,220 number and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Thanks. 626 00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:43,840 Dave, it's your boy. 627 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,580 I'm down in Florida meeting with some random guy. 628 00:40:48,060 --> 00:40:51,540 I met from the internet who says all of cryptocurrency is a scam. 629 00:40:53,260 --> 00:40:54,260 So don't come back alive. 630 00:40:55,340 --> 00:40:56,340 I love you. 631 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,060 It's really nice to meet you. You too. 632 00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:04,000 Yeah, thank you for doing this. Yeah, no problem. 633 00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:05,700 Okay, 634 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,880 so let's start with how you got started. 635 00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:13,660 How did you fall into this crypto rabbit hole? My background is I used to do 636 00:41:13,660 --> 00:41:17,740 video game hacking and reverse engineering. I was basically printing my 637 00:41:17,740 --> 00:41:19,000 own money for video games. 638 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,340 So you started off as someone, a professional cheater. 639 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,660 Yeah, I was basically, yeah, I was cheating in video games, yes. 640 00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:30,400 Inevitably, I got caught, and I got banned for 30 years. But what I learned 641 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,040 is that it's the same bullshit, you know, as crypto. 642 00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:36,260 Right. 643 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,740 You've been exposing crypto fraud since 2016? 644 00:41:40,380 --> 00:41:43,820 I would say when I first started, it was going to be March of 2017. 645 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,380 I had some suspicions early, and once I started digging a little bit deeper, I'm 646 00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:50,740 like, okay, this is bad, this is fraud. 647 00:41:51,210 --> 00:41:54,590 Why do you think that is? I personally believe the entire market is really 648 00:41:54,590 --> 00:41:56,390 controlled by fewer than 20 people. 649 00:41:56,650 --> 00:42:00,530 And they can make the price go to whatever they want. 650 00:42:00,770 --> 00:42:05,510 How? Let's say you have two accounts and you want the price to go up. 651 00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:10,230 So all you do is trade between your two accounts and you can basically just walk 652 00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:11,230 the price up. 653 00:42:13,460 --> 00:42:17,100 So they control both sides of the trade. Right. And then someone else that's on 654 00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:19,900 the outside doesn't realize, and they see the price is going up, it's gone up 655 00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:23,500 15% in the past 15 minutes, and they go ahead and they buy in. 656 00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:28,780 Those are the suckers, basically, coming in, not realizing that it was just one 657 00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:31,140 guy with two accounts making the price go up. 658 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:37,060 Between 90% and 95% of all the crypto trading, that's all it is. 659 00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:41,760 Now, the other 5% is only in there because they think that the other 90% to 660 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,780 95% is in real. 661 00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:44,190 Which it's not. 662 00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:49,010 So now the people pumping up the price can sell their tokens. 663 00:42:51,250 --> 00:42:52,830 And everybody else gets screwed. 664 00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:55,150 Yes, that's it. 665 00:42:58,150 --> 00:43:03,330 So if 90 to 95% of the trading is fake, is that the social media activity? 666 00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:04,530 Is that also fake? 667 00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:05,669 It's paid for. 668 00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:10,410 A lot of it is paid for. A lot of it are actually bots. It stands for 24-7. 669 00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:18,890 But the thing is, a lot of these crypto influencers are actually paid by the 670 00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:19,769 scammers themselves. 671 00:43:19,770 --> 00:43:20,770 What are they paid in? 672 00:43:21,150 --> 00:43:22,990 Dollars. Not crypto. 673 00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:28,370 Well, basically everybody inside of crypto is winning except for the regular 674 00:43:28,370 --> 00:43:30,610 people that put their money on it. Yeah, the regular people that they don't 675 00:43:30,610 --> 00:43:32,350 realize that it's all a facade. 676 00:43:32,770 --> 00:43:34,550 Right. They're the ones holding it back. Yeah. 677 00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:38,090 Celsius had a coin called Cell. 678 00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:42,590 Its price had exploded, growing by a factor of 10 in less than a year. 679 00:43:43,470 --> 00:43:47,510 If Bitfinex was right... Then once the insiders took their money off the table, 680 00:43:47,730 --> 00:43:49,130 a crash was inevitable. 681 00:43:50,310 --> 00:43:52,650 Crypto obviously right now getting crushed. 682 00:43:52,890 --> 00:43:55,130 Tonight, a massive sell-off of cryptocurrency. 683 00:43:55,470 --> 00:43:59,750 The price of Bitcoin plunging to its lowest level in 16 months. 684 00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:04,550 The numbers are sending some investors spiraling, tearing, they can lose it 685 00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:05,550 all. 686 00:44:06,910 --> 00:44:09,470 The market's collapse was shockingly swift. 687 00:44:10,450 --> 00:44:14,190 And rumors were circulating about Celsius going under. You don't need... 688 00:44:15,210 --> 00:44:18,290 find something better because there isn't anything better. We allow people 689 00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:21,510 to withdraw hundreds of millions of dollars every week. Anyone who wants to 690 00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:22,710 withdraw has no problem. 691 00:44:25,090 --> 00:44:30,810 So breaking news, the cryptocurrency platform Celsius, they are stopping 692 00:44:30,810 --> 00:44:35,650 withdrawals. CEO Alex Machinsky now saying in a statement, this is the right 693 00:44:35,650 --> 00:44:38,110 decision for our community and company. 694 00:44:38,350 --> 00:44:43,490 This whole idea of banks are evil and then becoming a worse bank is kind of 695 00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:44,490 the... 696 00:44:44,590 --> 00:44:45,670 headline story with Celsius. 697 00:44:46,050 --> 00:44:49,670 And the price pumping tricks that Bitfinex laid out were spot on. 698 00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:54,370 They're saying that management was manipulating the price of the Celsius 699 00:44:54,370 --> 00:44:57,570 token. They were absolutely trading the token to manipulate the price. 700 00:44:58,290 --> 00:45:02,190 As more details emerged, it was clear that Celsius was never profitable. 701 00:45:02,490 --> 00:45:05,830 It merely took money from the new customers to pay the old ones. 702 00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:11,570 Mashinsky and his crew reportedly withdrew millions before filing for 703 00:45:11,570 --> 00:45:15,550 bankruptcy. To make matters worse, Mashinsky's wife started selling a new 704 00:45:15,550 --> 00:45:17,410 take on the classic Celsius T-shirt. 705 00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:20,430 It read, Unbankrupt Yourself. 706 00:45:21,330 --> 00:45:23,210 The people who were scammed were pissed. 707 00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:27,670 I set up a few Zoom calls. 708 00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:34,770 Um, how are you? Can you hear me? You've caught up, or you've grown up. 709 00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:36,230 I can hear you. 710 00:45:36,450 --> 00:45:37,450 We're out in the desert. 711 00:45:37,730 --> 00:45:40,450 Would you mind tilting your camera up just a little bit? I'm having trouble 712 00:45:40,450 --> 00:45:41,450 seeing your face. 713 00:45:41,770 --> 00:45:42,770 Ah, I can hear you. 714 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,200 There we go. I think it was connected to my Xbox for some reason. 715 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,240 Did you say you're in Texas? 716 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,680 Yeah, yeah, I'm in Fort Worth. 717 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,680 Oh, cool. I grew up in Austin. 718 00:45:54,020 --> 00:45:55,840 Yeah. I grew up in Austin, man. 719 00:45:56,220 --> 00:45:58,520 Oh, I like your shirt. What does it say? In crypto. 720 00:45:59,140 --> 00:46:00,920 Oh, in crypto we trust. 721 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,440 Nice. 722 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,120 In crypto we trust. 723 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,960 Yeah, just not so much Alex Leshavinsky. 724 00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:11,940 What initially attracted you to it? You said you're friends. 725 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,920 We're investing in Celsius. We're encouraging you to invest. Do you 726 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,420 remember why you first invested? 727 00:46:17,780 --> 00:46:21,220 My idea wasn't just to get rich and get big. I just wanted to have good 728 00:46:21,220 --> 00:46:23,140 investments for my future and be able to build. 729 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,060 I was trying to get myself set up for retirement. 730 00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:31,180 I saw Celsius as an opportunity to make a lot of interest. 731 00:46:31,580 --> 00:46:35,640 Maybe even find a way to where I'm not having to work as many hours a week or 732 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,220 something just so I could spend more time with my daughter. 733 00:46:42,490 --> 00:46:49,350 I thought that I was going to get to a point where I would be 734 00:46:49,350 --> 00:46:51,110 able to live off the interest, you know? 735 00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:56,090 And none of it was ever even there. 736 00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:58,450 Do you remember when you heard Celsius collapsed? 737 00:46:59,930 --> 00:47:03,750 I was crying. My wife was upset. My kid was too young to know what's going on. 738 00:47:04,310 --> 00:47:06,050 But we lost a lot of money that day. 739 00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:09,010 The amount that he hosed everybody is just... 740 00:47:09,370 --> 00:47:10,390 Yeah. Sheesh. 741 00:47:10,650 --> 00:47:15,090 Yeah, but whenever all of that had happened, nobody knew what was going on. 742 00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:20,090 And the way that Celsius was being painted to us was that, you know, it was 743 00:47:20,090 --> 00:47:21,090 safer than a bank. 744 00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:25,010 How could this possibly be an obvious scam given that, you know, there's all 745 00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:26,010 these people behind it? 746 00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:30,410 I thought there was no risk with Celsius because they said that they were keeping 747 00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:31,410 our funds safe. 748 00:47:31,570 --> 00:47:33,050 You know, we're U.S. approved. 749 00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:37,970 We're SEC, whatever, approved. Trust us. We, you know. 750 00:47:38,540 --> 00:47:41,140 We have risk mitigation in place. Everything is fine. 751 00:47:41,420 --> 00:47:43,460 It gave the impression of security. 752 00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:48,920 I just never crossed paths with such a criminal, you know. It's just a 753 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,140 criminal, true and true. I will take the hit. 754 00:47:52,340 --> 00:47:55,720 If I could ever meet that dude, I will pull my pants down and piss on that guy. 755 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,260 With Alex, the difference between what he was saying and what he was actually 756 00:48:01,260 --> 00:48:03,240 doing is just vast. 757 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,580 It was Bernie Madoff-level, you know, fraud. 758 00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:11,710 When you meet him in person, he just gave off Carnival Barker vibes to me. 759 00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:17,790 I wonder if you were able to see a side of him in person that I wasn't seeing on 760 00:48:17,790 --> 00:48:19,050 the videos. 761 00:48:19,610 --> 00:48:23,530 Given that Machensky was running this fraud, do you think that the Celsius 762 00:48:23,530 --> 00:48:24,970 community was a real thing? 763 00:48:25,390 --> 00:48:26,390 No. No. 764 00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:31,190 For me, personally, Celsius doesn't really have a community. It's just got a 765 00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:33,030 very long list of victims. 766 00:48:33,550 --> 00:48:36,670 I have a question for you. Have you seen the creditor list? 767 00:48:38,290 --> 00:48:41,110 Not in any great detail. Why? 768 00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:43,370 Let me see if I can share my screen for this. 769 00:48:43,690 --> 00:48:49,030 So this is the list of people that are owed money by selfies. 770 00:48:49,470 --> 00:48:55,370 And if you just, I don't know, go into A, for example, it just goes on and on 771 00:48:55,370 --> 00:48:58,370 and on. Oh, my God. I'm on page 588. 772 00:48:58,690 --> 00:49:03,950 So I think the 1,388 pages are just the people with names starting with A. 773 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,360 Put money into selfies is astronomical. 774 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:10,720 It's huge. 775 00:49:11,340 --> 00:49:16,940 One question we're asking everyone is how did losing the money affect you, if 776 00:49:16,940 --> 00:49:17,759 at all? 777 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,680 I mean, it seems silly, but I was more focused on just like the embarrassment 778 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,020 than the actual financial implication. 779 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,240 Yeah, I just kind of remember thinking, well, this is going to push my 780 00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:29,360 retirement back a few years. 781 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:35,780 It was mostly just a shot at freedom, you know? 782 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:41,640 I shot it a little bit more claiming of my time back and that time I can't get 783 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:42,740 with my daughter back. 784 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,760 I just had so many plans, you know. 785 00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:50,480 I'm sorry. I feel like I let it down big time. 786 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,120 Yeah. 787 00:49:52,580 --> 00:49:53,580 I'm sorry, man. 788 00:49:55,060 --> 00:49:55,738 It's okay. 789 00:49:55,740 --> 00:49:57,300 I'm totally at peace with it, you know. 790 00:49:57,740 --> 00:50:01,040 It just sucks that that one thing had to kick my plan in the shin. 791 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:02,940 Yeah. Yeah. 792 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,660 Life has a way of doing that, doesn't it, sometimes? 793 00:50:06,060 --> 00:50:07,060 Yeah. 794 00:50:13,460 --> 00:50:17,760 The false story of Celsius was predicated on a fundamental truth that 795 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:18,760 our system is flawed. 796 00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:24,300 But Celsius didn't offer a better solution, merely a way to tap into 797 00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:27,280 people's anger and funnel their money into a Ponzi scheme. 798 00:50:31,850 --> 00:50:34,210 Our current financial system is far from perfect. 799 00:50:34,930 --> 00:50:37,870 But at the very least, it's built on centuries of trust. 800 00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:41,770 Because the economy is something we all contribute to. 801 00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:47,730 So in the end, for our economy to work, we are essentially trusting ourselves 802 00:50:47,730 --> 00:50:49,450 and each other. 803 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,000 After Celsius blew up, dozens of other companies also went down. 804 00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:28,360 It was dubbed the crypto winter. 805 00:51:29,340 --> 00:51:31,680 The industry appeared on the verge of collapse. 806 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,240 Only one man could save it. 807 00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:38,600 The crypto world is now going to get a bailout, and it's coming from one of 808 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:39,600 their own. 809 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:44,460 Sam Bankman Freed is really becoming the industry's lifeline during a crisis 810 00:51:44,460 --> 00:51:49,500 lately. The CEO of FTX is behind hundreds of millions of dollars in 811 00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:50,500 emergency loans. 812 00:51:50,730 --> 00:51:52,290 He was everywhere. 813 00:51:52,810 --> 00:51:58,190 Joining me now is Sam Bankman-Fried. He's the 29-year-old gazillionaire, FTX 814 00:51:58,190 --> 00:52:03,230 founder and CEO of Sam Bankman-Fried, amassing an astonishing $22.5 billion 815 00:52:03,230 --> 00:52:08,690 fortune. I mean, it is, to me, amazing that, like, three years ago, nobody knew 816 00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:09,468 who you were. 817 00:52:09,470 --> 00:52:14,110 And now your business is, like, one of the fastest-growing businesses in the 818 00:52:14,110 --> 00:52:15,110 history of the planet. 819 00:52:15,590 --> 00:52:17,770 Sam was the unlikeliest of billionaires. 820 00:52:18,090 --> 00:52:20,150 Tussled hair, T-shirt, and cargo shorts. 821 00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:22,230 He made his billions trading crypto. 822 00:52:22,690 --> 00:52:26,270 But Sam's motivation was a complete 180 from someone like Mashinsky. 823 00:52:28,110 --> 00:52:32,010 Sam was a proponent of a philosophical craze sweeping through Silicon Valley 824 00:52:32,010 --> 00:52:33,910 called effective altruism. 825 00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:37,910 Conceptually, EA is straightforward. 826 00:52:38,610 --> 00:52:42,410 If you want to do the most good for the most people, you should strive to make 827 00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:44,630 the most money possible in order to give it all away. 828 00:52:44,970 --> 00:52:48,430 I wanted to get rich not because I like money, but... 829 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,700 because I wanted to give that money to charity. 830 00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:54,300 And Sam saw crypto as the vehicle to make that happen. 831 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,940 So keeping the industry afloat was key. 832 00:52:57,580 --> 00:53:00,640 A high-profile crypto failure would be devastating. 833 00:53:00,980 --> 00:53:05,840 Could also spark retail investors to leave the industry altogether, which FTX 834 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:06,840 really relies on. 835 00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:10,360 FTX was Sam's crypto exchange, where you could buy all sorts of cryptocurrencies. 836 00:53:12,029 --> 00:53:16,510 When we think about, you know, where crypto is today, it still is touching a 837 00:53:16,510 --> 00:53:20,250 pretty small fraction of the world. And so I think a lot of what we've been 838 00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:24,450 thinking is like, what are ways that we can take what we see as an exciting, 839 00:53:24,510 --> 00:53:28,730 growing set of products and industries and sort of introduce them to tens of 840 00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:29,730 millions of people? 841 00:53:29,830 --> 00:53:33,390 He did this by using his ballooning wealth to pay for sponsorships. 842 00:53:33,740 --> 00:53:34,880 and celebrity endorsements. 843 00:53:35,140 --> 00:53:38,580 FTX is the safest and easiest way to buy and sell crypto. The best way to get in 844 00:53:38,580 --> 00:53:42,540 the game. With FTX, I have everything I need to buy, sell, and trade crypto 845 00:53:42,540 --> 00:53:46,620 safely. He even signed deals with paid spokespeople in the financial industry, 846 00:53:46,740 --> 00:53:50,800 like Kevin O'Leary, who had been a fellow crypto critic. 847 00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:54,500 I'm not going to take real money and put it into this thing. It's never going to 848 00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:55,900 happen. It's such a scam. 849 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,540 This was before he signed a $10 million deal with FTX. 850 00:54:00,110 --> 00:54:05,070 I am a paid spokesperson for FTX. I did a lot of due diligence before I accepted 851 00:54:05,070 --> 00:54:05,968 that position. 852 00:54:05,970 --> 00:54:09,110 Sam wanted to make crypto easier, friendlier, and safer. 853 00:54:09,850 --> 00:54:13,590 And he knew that in order to do that, you need to build trust. 854 00:54:14,130 --> 00:54:18,790 Mr. Bankman-Fried, you are now recognized for five minutes to present 855 00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:19,990 your oral testimony. 856 00:54:21,870 --> 00:54:24,730 Thank you, Chair Waters, Ranking Member McHenry. 857 00:54:25,090 --> 00:54:26,570 It's an honor to be here. 858 00:54:29,930 --> 00:54:32,950 the potential to improve a lot of people's lives. 859 00:54:33,150 --> 00:54:37,750 And I think it is important and I think it is healthy that the industry will be 860 00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:42,070 regulated. Crypto executives poured more than $30 million into political 861 00:54:42,070 --> 00:54:44,670 campaigns since the 2020 election cycle. 862 00:54:44,970 --> 00:54:50,210 There is a new and exciting industry in the United States of cryptocurrency, 863 00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:52,110 whether Bitcoin or otherwise. 864 00:54:52,610 --> 00:54:55,030 I buy Bitcoin and I hold Bitcoin. 865 00:54:55,290 --> 00:54:56,049 You buy Bitcoin? 866 00:54:56,050 --> 00:54:57,570 Oh, yeah. You have Bitcoin? I do. 867 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,860 Sam was playing the Washington game to perfection and buying the trust he 868 00:55:02,860 --> 00:55:05,520 needed to take crypto even further into the mainstream. 869 00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:12,780 What does this technology FTX uses to protect fraud and manipulation look 870 00:55:12,780 --> 00:55:16,700 like? We have surveillance for unusual trading activity. We have manual 871 00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:20,260 inspections of anything that gets flagged either by the automated 872 00:55:20,260 --> 00:55:21,360 surveillance or... 873 00:55:21,690 --> 00:55:22,870 by manual inspection. 874 00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:27,650 Sounds like you're doing a lot to make sure there is no fraud or other 875 00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:30,250 manipulation. I thank you, Mr. Bankman-Fried. 876 00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:32,630 I had to talk to him. 877 00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:35,290 So I did the only thing I knew how to do. 878 00:55:38,070 --> 00:55:39,250 I DM'd him on Twitter. 879 00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:44,290 It was a long shot. 880 00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:53,430 Look at this. 881 00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:58,650 Finally freeing up a bit. Had a crazy week. Just got back from testifying in D 882 00:55:58,650 --> 00:55:59,650 .C. 883 00:56:00,730 --> 00:56:04,750 I'm at FTX.com if you want to reach out there. 884 00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:10,470 Fucking agreed. 885 00:56:45,269 --> 00:56:46,269 It's limoncello. 886 00:56:46,350 --> 00:56:50,490 What is limoncello, actually? It's like the, you know, the Italian liqueur. 887 00:56:50,590 --> 00:56:51,650 There's alcohol in it. 888 00:56:51,870 --> 00:56:55,090 But they flavored it that way. I don't know. It's actually kind of interesting. 889 00:56:55,310 --> 00:56:56,310 Don't mind it. Okay. 890 00:56:56,570 --> 00:57:00,230 It was the only one I had at the house. I was like, hmm, we'll try. Not worth. 891 00:57:01,930 --> 00:57:02,930 All right. You guys ready? 892 00:57:03,090 --> 00:57:04,090 You're good. All right. 893 00:57:05,230 --> 00:57:08,770 Sam Bankman-Fried, thank you for taking the time to speak with us. Sure. 894 00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:14,270 So I had a conversation with Alex Mashensky. 895 00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:22,700 I asked him how much real money is in crypto, and he said 896 00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:25,700 10% to 15%. He said the rest is speculation. 897 00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:29,720 Thanks. So as of today, I think the number of dollars in crypto have not 898 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,700 changed massively between then and now. 899 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,980 One when perhaps they've lessened. They certainly have not increased. 900 00:57:35,540 --> 00:57:37,680 I don't think they've decreased massively, though. 901 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,980 I think lines up with some of your thoughts that like a lot of this was 902 00:57:40,980 --> 00:57:44,060 leverage leaving. Well, part of the problem of the haven't left is that 903 00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:47,700 people can't get their money out. Imagine this is a regulated bank. Oh, 904 00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:51,900 yeah. This would be a big problem. That would be a big problem. This does not 905 00:57:51,900 --> 00:57:55,600 seem like the decentralized, democratized future of money that we 906 00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:56,439 were promised. 907 00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,080 I think we've seen all the major carnage in the crypto industry already. 908 00:58:00,420 --> 00:58:03,200 I think that things are on a bit of a recovery path from here. 909 00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:08,960 But to be honest, Sam, like it doesn't feel like it's... creating a lot of good 910 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,600 for people. It feels like it's a net negative. 911 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,200 Yeah, I think I disagree. 912 00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:15,100 Why? 913 00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:16,840 I understand where you're coming from. 914 00:58:17,660 --> 00:58:21,680 I think the bigger piece of this, and probably the thing that is ultimately 915 00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:26,460 driving your belief, is around ultimate use case. 916 00:58:26,740 --> 00:58:29,980 Give me one use case. Give me one company that's running a good or a 917 00:58:29,980 --> 00:58:30,839 service utility. 918 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,000 First of all, it's just payment. 919 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,400 I know this is a thing that gets talked about a lot, but I do think that there 920 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:36,400 is real... 921 00:58:36,490 --> 00:58:39,430 potential there to make payments a lot cleaner. 922 00:58:39,930 --> 00:58:43,130 Remittances are really, really expensive. 923 00:58:43,590 --> 00:58:47,790 Well, I just want to be really quick because we went to El Salvador. 924 00:58:48,210 --> 00:58:53,630 It's not being used. It's less than 2%. So how does that work as payments or as 925 00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:55,030 remittances? It's not working. 926 00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:59,530 I agree it's not working today. I think it could get there in the next five 927 00:58:59,530 --> 00:59:00,530 years. 928 00:59:00,670 --> 00:59:04,950 But I think it's not there today. I think there are real reasons it's not 929 00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:05,899 there today. 930 00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:09,020 But people are buying it as an investment. They think it's going to 931 00:59:09,020 --> 00:59:09,859 make them money. 932 00:59:09,860 --> 00:59:12,380 Isn't that what you're seeing? I mean, you run a big exchange. You have a big 933 00:59:12,380 --> 00:59:13,198 trading firm. 934 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,580 Isn't that what people are doing? Are they doing it to pay for things? Are 935 00:59:16,580 --> 00:59:17,640 they using it to gamble? 936 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,620 The majority of people today are not using it as a payment field. The 937 00:59:21,620 --> 00:59:25,760 majority of people today are using it just as a financial asset. But my belief 938 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,180 is that over the next five to ten years, we are going to see blockchain. 939 00:59:31,020 --> 00:59:34,880 grow in a few different use cases and start to provide more and more actual 940 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,260 utility to people. If I didn't think that was true, that would significantly 941 00:59:39,260 --> 00:59:43,320 change my belief about the cryptocurrency ecosystem overall. 942 00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:48,520 Your belief system seems to be driven somewhat by the fact that you've made so 943 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,380 much money. You do the most good for the most people. 944 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,860 But when I look at the crypto industry, it feels like it's driven. 945 00:59:56,730 --> 01:00:01,190 by getting retail customers regular people into the crypto casinos to gamble 946 01:00:01,190 --> 01:00:05,950 some of them make money most of them don't what do you say to the people that 947 01:00:05,950 --> 01:00:09,670 have lost money millions of people have lost money now um some of them can't 948 01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:13,630 access their money like what do you say to those people so i mean that was 949 01:00:13,630 --> 01:00:20,520 really bad i'm you know like it sucks maybe one question you can ask is Is the 950 01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,800 system set up today such that the regular person can get enough 951 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,760 information and transparency and comfort? 952 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:32,820 And I think that the answer is basically no. There needs to be more oversight. 953 01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:34,120 There needs to be more transparency. 954 01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,460 Speaking of regulation, I think something like $30 million has been 955 01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:42,200 spent over the last six months or a year towards influencing regulators and 956 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,920 politicians. I think that this is a very dangerous thing that we're playing with 957 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:47,920 here. 958 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,300 Most of what I'm doing for crypto regulation is not contributions. 959 01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:58,880 It's going and talking to people in D.C. and having meetings, trying to explain 960 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:03,340 as much as I can, trying to point out the parts that I think most need 961 01:01:03,340 --> 01:01:08,100 oversight. When you look at the contributions that I've made, most of 962 01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:10,040 those have to do with pandemic preparedness. 963 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,640 Totally unrelated to my day job. 964 01:01:13,060 --> 01:01:14,880 How much money have you donated to things like that? 965 01:01:15,660 --> 01:01:16,700 I want to say... 966 01:01:19,210 --> 01:01:21,950 Ballpark, 50 to 100 million. 967 01:01:22,310 --> 01:01:24,610 Wow. 50 to 100 million to pandemic. 968 01:01:25,010 --> 01:01:26,030 Yeah, that's right. 969 01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:27,810 How much have you donated to politicians? 970 01:01:28,330 --> 01:01:29,630 So I 971 01:01:29,630 --> 01:01:36,610 don't remember the latest. 972 01:01:36,650 --> 01:01:39,030 I can get back to you on that. I don't remember the latest figure. I'll put it 973 01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:39,928 on my record. 974 01:01:39,930 --> 01:01:43,630 Ballpark. I think that, 975 01:01:45,390 --> 01:01:46,390 you know. 976 01:01:46,540 --> 01:01:52,360 In the tens of millions is where total political contributions have been so 977 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:53,360 far? 978 01:01:53,380 --> 01:01:55,300 Some you really need to... Okay, got it, yeah. 979 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,940 Thanks for taking the time. Thank you. Appreciate it. Can we do a picture? 980 01:02:00,700 --> 01:02:04,620 Is that possible? Yeah, let me just check where... Oh, sure, sure, sure. 981 01:02:04,860 --> 01:02:08,220 Yes, but I have to do it quickly. No, no, that's fine. We don't need to do 982 01:02:08,220 --> 01:02:09,500 anything. Let's see. 983 01:02:10,060 --> 01:02:11,060 Yep. 984 01:02:13,060 --> 01:02:14,060 Oh, there you go. 985 01:02:14,860 --> 01:02:15,860 All right. 986 01:02:17,010 --> 01:02:18,330 Awesome. Thank you. Sorry. 987 01:02:57,900 --> 01:02:59,340 You wrote a book on fraud. 988 01:02:59,580 --> 01:03:01,780 Yeah. I'm not crazy, am I? 989 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,140 Let me put it this way. If you were going to set up something entirely fake 990 01:03:06,140 --> 01:03:09,120 as a scam, what would you do different? 991 01:03:09,340 --> 01:03:12,780 Right. There's only a few ways to do a fraud. 992 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:19,420 You can borrow money or take cash on the promise of delivering something in the 993 01:03:19,420 --> 01:03:20,880 future and not deliver it. 994 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:26,360 Ponzi scheme. Exactly. And you can bring people into something that looks like... 995 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,720 a normal web of trust, but in fact is completely controlled by you. 996 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:36,660 One of the things that is so fascinating to me about crypto is that the real con 997 01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:40,020 is just getting them to give you the real money in the first place. Once they 998 01:03:40,020 --> 01:03:42,860 give you the real money, then the computer screen can say whatever the 999 01:03:42,860 --> 01:03:43,900 computer screen wants to say. 1000 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:50,160 Absolutely. You know, when you've got like $100 in your bank accounts at JP 1001 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:51,160 Morgan or wherever. 1002 01:03:51,850 --> 01:03:55,870 That's just a number, but those are magic numbers that have a particular 1003 01:03:55,870 --> 01:04:00,590 system that we've all grown up with since the 18th century. 1004 01:04:00,850 --> 01:04:06,830 But these crypto guys have come up with their own magic numbers, and you still 1005 01:04:06,830 --> 01:04:12,210 need to have that trust that at some point someone's going to exchange your 1006 01:04:12,210 --> 01:04:14,650 imaginary money for dollar bills. 1007 01:04:14,910 --> 01:04:18,470 And they say trust the code, but code doesn't fall from the sky. People write 1008 01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:19,470 code. Exactly. 1009 01:04:20,110 --> 01:04:24,030 Fraud is a weird crime in that it has a time dimension. 1010 01:04:24,490 --> 01:04:30,590 There is a period of time during which the thief knows that he's stolen the 1011 01:04:30,590 --> 01:04:34,250 money, but the victim doesn't know that he's lost it. 1012 01:04:35,310 --> 01:04:39,850 Is there something about fraudsters that makes them different from other 1013 01:04:39,850 --> 01:04:40,850 criminals? Yeah. 1014 01:04:41,030 --> 01:04:47,070 They've got something psychologically in them which the criminologists call a 1015 01:04:47,070 --> 01:04:52,690 rationalisation. They don't see themselves as deviant members of 1016 01:04:52,690 --> 01:04:53,690 society. 1017 01:04:53,810 --> 01:05:00,790 And so that means that they have to come up with a story that they 1018 01:05:00,790 --> 01:05:06,790 can tell themselves which reconciles what they're doing with their self-image 1019 01:05:06,790 --> 01:05:09,330 as a normal member of society. 1020 01:05:09,790 --> 01:05:12,410 I do love my country and my people. 1021 01:05:13,010 --> 01:05:15,550 And I want them to thrive and to succeed. 1022 01:05:16,220 --> 01:05:21,100 We put the community first, right? So we do everything for our community, and 1023 01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:22,098 they know it. 1024 01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:26,500 In the end, my goal is to do as much good as I can for the world. 1025 01:05:28,260 --> 01:05:29,880 The biggest lie is the lie you tell yourself. 1026 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:31,360 Absolutely. 1027 01:05:32,220 --> 01:05:33,780 Well, as an actor, I can relate to that. 1028 01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,620 But I mean, all of crypto can't be a scam, right? 1029 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,100 I don't like what counts. 1030 01:05:47,220 --> 01:05:49,820 I'd listened to the false stories of crypto for long enough. 1031 01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:52,160 It was time for me to speak up. 1032 01:05:52,820 --> 01:05:54,960 So I embarked upon a campaign of my own. 1033 01:05:55,620 --> 01:05:58,900 All right, Ben, good morning. Thanks so much for joining us. We've got about two 1034 01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:01,600 minutes till we're live, but I've just heard you loud and clear, so we should 1035 01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:02,600 be all set. Great. 1036 01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:04,300 Thank you. 1037 01:06:05,460 --> 01:06:07,700 Hey, guys. Guys, can you keep it down, please? 1038 01:06:07,940 --> 01:06:08,940 Thank you. 1039 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:12,420 Sure. That's my favorite question. 1040 01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:13,640 It's very simple. 1041 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,320 They were paid in real money. 1042 01:06:16,270 --> 01:06:20,150 to convince you to take your real money and turn it into something else. 1043 01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:23,150 I hit every outlet that would have me. 1044 01:06:23,370 --> 01:06:26,090 What troubled me about crypto and the reason I felt like I had to speak out 1045 01:06:26,090 --> 01:06:30,730 was it's exploited an understandable mistrust, a lack of trust with our 1046 01:06:30,730 --> 01:06:31,729 regulated system. 1047 01:06:31,730 --> 01:06:34,670 The winners are far fewer than the losers. 1048 01:06:34,990 --> 01:06:39,450 It's being sold to the average American as the way to make money. But, you know, 1049 01:06:39,490 --> 01:06:42,990 what's really going on here? How much of this is real and how much of this has 1050 01:06:42,990 --> 01:06:44,250 been artificially inflated? 1051 01:06:45,130 --> 01:06:46,890 The crypto trolls were big mad. 1052 01:06:47,810 --> 01:06:52,350 He's becoming this new advocate against crypto. And I'm like, what is going on 1053 01:06:52,350 --> 01:06:53,009 with this guy? 1054 01:06:53,010 --> 01:06:55,450 First red flag was actually the word currency. 1055 01:06:55,790 --> 01:06:59,930 Ben McKenzie. If you guys don't know who Ben McKenzie is, he's now a financial 1056 01:06:59,930 --> 01:07:04,170 guru. Just kidding. One of the most important things for people to 1057 01:07:04,170 --> 01:07:08,790 understand about cryptocurrency is that most of the volume that you see on the 1058 01:07:08,790 --> 01:07:09,830 exchanges is fake. 1059 01:07:10,270 --> 01:07:11,270 It doesn't exist. 1060 01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,100 Just say you don't understand crypto and move on. 1061 01:07:14,300 --> 01:07:18,500 Is it possible that your hostility to crypto could just be a lack of 1062 01:07:18,500 --> 01:07:19,640 understanding of the tech? 1063 01:07:20,100 --> 01:07:24,980 If you say I haven't done enough research, my response to you is f*** 1064 01:07:24,980 --> 01:07:29,020 you. I've interviewed the head of your entire industry. 1065 01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:30,960 Did you see how upset he got? 1066 01:07:31,380 --> 01:07:35,360 Who am I supposed to believe? The CEO of the largest asset manager on planet 1067 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,060 Earth? Or this actor that plays a cop on TV? 1068 01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,680 But it really is only useful for gambling. 1069 01:07:41,930 --> 01:07:43,170 And for criminal activity. 1070 01:07:43,570 --> 01:07:46,930 Well, this is what I've got to say about Ben McKenzie. Ben McKenzie, put your 1071 01:07:46,930 --> 01:07:47,990 money where your mouth is. 1072 01:07:48,330 --> 01:07:50,270 Ben gets no raisin. None. 1073 01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:51,770 Not raisin worthy. 1074 01:07:52,050 --> 01:07:55,390 And a lot of shady dudes end up making most of the money. 1075 01:07:55,650 --> 01:08:00,210 It seems like someone is just hurt. And I feel bad for Ben McKenzie because he's 1076 01:08:00,210 --> 01:08:03,450 saying all of these things. And then people are going to look back and say, 1077 01:08:03,530 --> 01:08:06,010 why did Ben McKenzie lead me in the wrong direction? 1078 01:08:19,340 --> 01:08:21,040 What are you doing? I thought you were coming to bed. 1079 01:08:21,779 --> 01:08:22,859 Yeah, I am. 1080 01:08:30,420 --> 01:08:31,420 Can you make yourself up? 1081 01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:32,760 Yeah, sure. 1082 01:09:00,559 --> 01:09:01,700 Dude. Dude. 1083 01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:03,078 Come here. 1084 01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:04,059 Come here. 1085 01:09:04,060 --> 01:09:05,060 Wait. 1086 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,819 What are we... I need to mic you up, man. 1087 01:09:13,380 --> 01:09:14,380 Oh. 1088 01:09:16,460 --> 01:09:18,120 Holy shit. 1089 01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,040 The exchange, FTX, filed for bankruptcy protection today. 1090 01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:28,779 Has fallen. Crypto King, Sam... Bank been freed. Step down. It was not a good 1091 01:09:28,779 --> 01:09:33,439 investment. My account has a zero in it, and there are no accounting records. 1092 01:09:33,819 --> 01:09:36,080 Where did the money go? 1093 01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:41,479 At 4.30 a.m. on November 11th, under pressure from lawyers, creditors, and 1094 01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,700 colleagues, Sam signed over control of FTX. 1095 01:09:45,660 --> 01:09:48,120 Millions of investors were left searching for answers. 1096 01:09:56,710 --> 01:10:00,590 Despite the collapse, the crypto community was quick to turn the blame 1097 01:10:00,590 --> 01:10:01,710 back on the victims. 1098 01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:05,910 If you are still keeping your crypto on an exchange and you're not trading it, 1099 01:10:05,950 --> 01:10:06,950 you're doing something wrong. 1100 01:10:07,070 --> 01:10:08,070 It's a dumb idea. 1101 01:10:08,190 --> 01:10:09,190 You don't do that. 1102 01:10:09,450 --> 01:10:11,530 It's stupid. You bring it home where it's safe. 1103 01:10:11,770 --> 01:10:15,010 And no matter what happened to the market, the boosters' belief in crypto 1104 01:10:15,010 --> 01:10:18,310 would remain unscathed. Just like the collapse of Lehman Brothers or Enron 1105 01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:22,070 didn't stop the stock market, FTX will not stop crypto. 1106 01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:25,070 Cryptocurrency, the blockchain, it's all still... 1107 01:10:35,889 --> 01:10:41,230 But no matter how hard boosters push the story of crypto, they can't make that 1108 01:10:41,230 --> 01:10:42,230 story true. 1109 01:10:42,670 --> 01:10:43,910 Because it isn't. 1110 01:10:46,030 --> 01:10:50,550 The collapse of FTX was a clear warning sign that mixing crypto with our 1111 01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:53,350 regulated financial system could only end terribly. 1112 01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,080 It only takes one big bank to fall for the others to follow suit. 1113 01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:03,040 It nearly happened with the subprime crisis, and it could easily happen 1114 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,040 again. 1115 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:09,060 When trust breaks, everything can fall apart shockingly fast. 1116 01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:14,780 And crypto, which has never proven itself trustworthy, has the ability to 1117 01:11:14,780 --> 01:11:15,940 wreak havoc on us all. 1118 01:11:28,420 --> 01:11:29,460 Whoa. I'm upstairs. 1119 01:11:30,140 --> 01:11:31,140 Yeah. 1120 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:33,360 Hey. 1121 01:11:33,940 --> 01:11:34,940 Okay. 1122 01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:37,720 Wait, what is this? 1123 01:11:41,660 --> 01:11:42,660 Oh, my God. 1124 01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,340 Wow. Wait, how did this happen? 1125 01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:47,700 You know. 1126 01:11:48,420 --> 01:11:49,420 Wow. 1127 01:11:49,660 --> 01:11:50,980 Frankie, come check us out. 1128 01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:59,470 Let's see what that says. 1129 01:12:00,310 --> 01:12:01,310 Dear Mr. 1130 01:12:01,330 --> 01:12:06,350 Shanken, I invite you to appear before the committee. 1131 01:12:06,970 --> 01:12:13,050 Committee? Committee on Basin Housing and Urban Affairs to testify 1132 01:12:13,050 --> 01:12:15,270 at a hearing. 1133 01:12:15,570 --> 01:12:18,490 I get to go to the United States Senate. Do you know what the United States 1134 01:12:18,490 --> 01:12:18,889 Senate is? 1135 01:12:18,890 --> 01:12:20,690 It's like the government, where the government is. 1136 01:12:21,170 --> 01:12:24,350 And I get to talk to the people in charge and tell them to fix this mess. 1137 01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:26,430 What's going to happen here? What are you going to do about this? 1138 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:39,640 Daddy, look up. 1139 01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,300 How do I look? 1140 01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:44,680 Better? 1141 01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:47,120 No. 1142 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:53,300 Ouch! What? That was not nice. 1143 01:12:53,820 --> 01:12:54,880 That was not nice. 1144 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:37,880 fucking kidding me. 1145 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,580 Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs will come to order. Thank you 1146 01:13:53,580 --> 01:13:55,320 for the witnesses joining us today. 1147 01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,780 This story, Bankman Freed was the shiny object. Now he's the villain, possibly 1148 01:13:59,780 --> 01:14:04,360 worse. But this story is bigger than one person or one firm and that's the point 1149 01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:05,360 of this hearing. 1150 01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:08,810 In our discussion of FTX today, I hope we're able to separate the likely 1151 01:14:08,810 --> 01:14:12,710 illegal actions from perfectly lawful and innovative cryptocurrencies. 1152 01:14:13,410 --> 01:14:18,110 There is the risk of investing in crypto, and then there's also the risk 1153 01:14:18,110 --> 01:14:21,670 of not investing in it and letting others accrue its benefits first. 1154 01:14:21,970 --> 01:14:25,910 We need to get to the bottom of what happened with FTX, but we can't let its 1155 01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:31,990 collapse cause us to abandon the great promise and potential of crypto. 1156 01:14:33,580 --> 01:14:35,860 I was up against the usual talking points. 1157 01:14:36,220 --> 01:14:37,560 But this wasn't YouTube. 1158 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,120 It was Congress. 1159 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,160 And that pissed me off. 1160 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:46,240 Chairman Brown, ranking member Toomey, members of the committee. The demise of 1161 01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:51,360 FTX in Alameda represents the most spectacular corporate downfall since 1162 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:55,700 Bernie Madoff's Ponzi scheme imploded in the wake of the great financial crisis. 1163 01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:57,620 It has captured the nation's attention. 1164 01:14:58,420 --> 01:15:01,800 FTX owe enormous sums to supposedly sophisticated investors. 1165 01:15:02,670 --> 01:15:04,910 they also owe a lot of money to regular people. 1166 01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:12,190 I believe they and the estimated 40 million other Americans who have 1167 01:15:12,190 --> 01:15:17,550 invested in cryptocurrency have been lied to by a once seemingly mighty 1168 01:15:17,550 --> 01:15:23,970 crypto industry whose entire existence in fact depends on misinformation, hype, 1169 01:15:24,090 --> 01:15:25,990 and yes, fraud. 1170 01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:30,910 In my opinion, the cryptocurrency industry 1171 01:15:32,140 --> 01:15:34,400 represents the largest Ponzi scheme in history. 1172 01:15:35,180 --> 01:15:39,080 The fact that it has roped in tens of millions of Americans from all walks of 1173 01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:44,320 life, as well as hundreds of millions of people worldwide, should be of concern 1174 01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:45,320 to us all. 1175 01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:47,520 Thank you for your time. I look forward to your question. 1176 01:15:48,180 --> 01:15:49,179 Thank you. 1177 01:15:49,180 --> 01:15:51,640 And is it Mr. Schenken, Mackenzie Schenken? 1178 01:15:52,700 --> 01:15:55,740 Yes, sir. You can also call me Ryan Atwood. All right. All right. Well, in 1179 01:15:55,740 --> 01:15:59,060 that case, listen, what is this backed by, if I could ask you? 1180 01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:03,320 What is this backed by at the end of the day? Nothing. It's a story. 1181 01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:06,120 The story has understandable appeal. 1182 01:16:06,740 --> 01:16:12,600 I think if crypto serves any function, it's to highlight the myriad failures of 1183 01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:19,100 our regulated system and our American economic system to provide people with a 1184 01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:21,600 fair shot at the American dream. 1185 01:16:22,220 --> 01:16:26,280 That does not make the story true, however, the story of cryptocurrency. 1186 01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:33,640 What it does is winded enormous power, and these stories spread like viruses. 1187 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,240 People get very excited. 1188 01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:41,480 These bubbles build up very big, but then they collapse very swiftly, and I 1189 01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:42,680 think that's what we're seeing now today. 1190 01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,420 I'd said my piece, but it was too late to convince some. 1191 01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:48,080 They were in too deep. 1192 01:16:48,820 --> 01:16:50,780 Digital assets are not on trial. 1193 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,480 Fraud and organizations. 1194 01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:56,940 are on trial. 1195 01:16:57,580 --> 01:17:01,560 I want to ask the rest of you, if we don't ban it, how do we regulate it, 1196 01:17:01,620 --> 01:17:05,380 isolate it from the banking system and then define it as a security? 1197 01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:09,960 Does anybody disagree with that or have any other ideas about how it would be 1198 01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:11,040 regulated? Mr. O'Leary. 1199 01:17:11,620 --> 01:17:16,360 The concept of passing legislation that would ban banks from integrating 1200 01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,360 cryptocurrencies and crypto technology. 1201 01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:23,800 would make it the most uncompetitive financial services sector in the world. 1202 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,500 So let me just stop you there. I only have so much time. So you do not agree 1203 01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:28,160 with isolating it from the banking system? 1204 01:17:28,740 --> 01:17:29,740 That's insanity. 1205 01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:34,660 If we allow cryptocurrency to infect our banking system, we will be back here. 1206 01:17:35,780 --> 01:17:38,240 Thank you. We will be back here, not in a good way. 1207 01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,960 On the morning of March 12th, as depositors raced to withdraw their 1208 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,720 money, Signature Bank was shut down by the government before it could implode. 1209 01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,820 It was the third bank to go bust in just five days. 1210 01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,660 Want to guess what all three had in common? 1211 01:18:03,020 --> 01:18:07,040 In the course of five days, three banks have failed in the United States, and 1212 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,060 those lenders were critical counterparties for a huge part of the 1213 01:18:10,060 --> 01:18:11,200 crypto industry in the country. 1214 01:18:11,580 --> 01:18:15,060 Panic set in, as no one knew just how many more banks might fall. 1215 01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,060 In the end, the government. 1216 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:22,660 That super untrustworthy establishment that crypto was supposedly rebelling 1217 01:18:22,660 --> 01:18:24,580 against saved the day. 1218 01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:30,540 We, the American taxpayers, bailed them out, and customers were guaranteed all 1219 01:18:30,540 --> 01:18:31,540 of their money back. 1220 01:18:32,420 --> 01:18:33,860 You're welcome, by the way. 1221 01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:45,660 As for Sam, he was charged with wire 1222 01:18:45,660 --> 01:18:49,660 fraud, securities fraud, commodities fraud, and good old-fashioned money 1223 01:18:49,660 --> 01:18:50,660 laundering. 1224 01:18:51,740 --> 01:18:55,020 Oh, and the reason he was hazy on his political donation. 1225 01:18:55,300 --> 01:18:59,760 I, I, um... They were illegal. 1226 01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:04,380 Regulators are now asking political campaigns to return the money. They say 1227 01:19:04,380 --> 01:19:08,860 that Bankman-Fried tried to buy bipartisan influence and impact the 1228 01:19:08,860 --> 01:19:11,280 direction of public policy in Washington. 1229 01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:16,330 After a month-long trial... It took a jury of his peers only four hours to 1230 01:19:16,330 --> 01:19:17,670 find him guilty on all charges. 1231 01:19:18,010 --> 01:19:21,010 Do you have anything to say to your investors? Do you have anything to say? 1232 01:19:21,330 --> 01:19:23,650 Sam was sentenced to 25 years in prison. 1233 01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:27,110 How was he able to pull off his swindle? 1234 01:19:28,330 --> 01:19:32,490 Within the source code of FTX, there were two lines that prevented users from 1235 01:19:32,490 --> 01:19:33,550 overdrawing their accounts. 1236 01:19:34,190 --> 01:19:38,850 But Sam instructed one of his employees to add a single line allowing him to 1237 01:19:38,850 --> 01:19:40,430 borrow, a.k.a. steal. 1238 01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,140 as much money as he wanted from his customers. 1239 01:19:44,740 --> 01:19:49,720 It turns out you can't trust code, only the people who write it. 1240 01:19:50,220 --> 01:19:53,260 A lot of people look at you and see Bernie Madoff. Yeah. 1241 01:19:54,640 --> 01:20:00,460 I mean, I don't think that's who I am at all, but I understand why they're saying 1242 01:20:00,460 --> 01:20:01,740 that. People lost money. 1243 01:20:02,020 --> 01:20:06,620 In the end, Sam believed in the power of his own story so much, he was willing to 1244 01:20:06,620 --> 01:20:07,620 risk it all. 1245 01:20:24,039 --> 01:20:28,500 In the midst of the journey, and with the help of my friend Jacob Silverman, I 1246 01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:30,020 wrote a book about everything I had learned. 1247 01:20:30,860 --> 01:20:34,760 And now with the tides turned, people wanted to hear what a crypto skeptic had 1248 01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:35,760 to say. 1249 01:20:36,780 --> 01:20:43,560 You might recognize Ben McKenzie as Ryan Atwood from the OC, but lately 1250 01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,340 he's taken on a new role. 1251 01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,320 He's been a vocal critic of the cryptocurrency industry and his 1252 01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:54,100 scrutiny. led him to challenge its laws and shortcomings he's now co-author of 1253 01:20:54,100 --> 01:20:59,420 the new book entitled easy money cryptocurrency casino capitalism and the 1254 01:20:59,420 --> 01:21:04,060 golden age of fraud how did that guy from the oc end up writing a book about 1255 01:21:04,060 --> 01:21:07,540 crypto Well, like most Americans, I stumbled onto crypto through a friend of 1256 01:21:07,540 --> 01:21:11,160 mine. The problem was this buddy who's been an old, old friend. 1257 01:21:11,380 --> 01:21:15,100 He gave me the worst financial advice of my life when I was in my 20s. And you 1258 01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:18,380 remember it. Yeah, I remembered it. And I love him. Dave, if you're out there, 1259 01:21:18,420 --> 01:21:19,800 sorry to out you on CBS News. 1260 01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:24,380 But he said, you know, you should buy Bitcoin. The story is so effective 1261 01:21:24,380 --> 01:21:27,920 because we all agree on the premise that our current financial system is deeply 1262 01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:32,200 flawed. And so that lends the story of cryptocurrency a lot of power. But it 1263 01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,000 doesn't make the story of cryptocurrency true. 1264 01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,920 Some people got the message. How many of you have seen this commercial starring 1265 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:38,920 Matt Damon? 1266 01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,500 Matt is not the only celebrity promoting cryptocurrency. 1267 01:21:43,140 --> 01:21:48,160 Some just didn't. You say you did a deep dive. It only took me about 20 pages of 1268 01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:52,100 the Bitcoin standard to understand how the young bank could benefit from this. 1269 01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,980 You think all these firms are going to have egg on their face? 1270 01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,980 It's a democratized, decentralized future if money is brought to you by 1271 01:21:58,980 --> 01:22:00,880 BlackRock. I don't know. 1272 01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:04,220 Maybe. I mean, if they think it's... 1273 01:22:04,900 --> 01:22:07,340 gold, they think it's, you think it's going to zero? 1274 01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,480 I can't predict the future anymore than anyone else. So if you're an American 1275 01:22:11,480 --> 01:22:14,220 sitting at home and you own cryptocurrency and there are millions of 1276 01:22:14,220 --> 01:22:17,340 those Americans, many of those right now, what's your advice to them? I am 1277 01:22:17,340 --> 01:22:20,820 not here to offer financial advice. I am not a licensed financial advisor. Many 1278 01:22:20,820 --> 01:22:24,720 of my celebrity colleagues have effectively offered financial advice. 1279 01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:25,920 And they said bye. 1280 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,780 You're saying bye. They said bye. I'm the celebrity who said be careful. Be 1281 01:22:29,780 --> 01:22:31,940 careful. Ben McKenzie, thank you so much. 1282 01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:46,960 I stumbled down this crypto rabbit hole, not sure of who I was or what I was 1283 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:47,960 doing. 1284 01:22:48,780 --> 01:22:53,820 But in playing the role of myself, an undercover econ dork, I not only found 1285 01:22:53,820 --> 01:22:58,440 my footing, but uncovered what I believe to be the central truth of 1286 01:22:58,440 --> 01:22:59,440 cryptocurrency. 1287 01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,140 It's just a story. 1288 01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:09,420 Or rather, millions of different stories spun by those invested in it. 1289 01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:15,320 In the end, crypto is only a projection of the hopes and dreams of those 1290 01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:16,320 investors. 1291 01:23:16,500 --> 01:23:17,940 You still believe in crypto overall? 1292 01:23:20,860 --> 01:23:24,180 Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm fully invested in crypto now. 1293 01:23:24,580 --> 01:23:25,980 Yeah, I do believe in it still. 1294 01:23:26,220 --> 01:23:27,600 I still hold a lot of Bitcoin. 1295 01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:29,540 Obviously, I'm not a fan of Celsius. 1296 01:23:29,980 --> 01:23:33,100 I think that was a ripoff. But I still love Bitcoin. 1297 01:23:33,620 --> 01:23:36,980 Immediately, whenever it happened, I mean, I wasn't trying to look at crypto 1298 01:23:36,980 --> 01:23:39,120 or anything like that, but I'm still in the game. 1299 01:23:39,530 --> 01:23:43,130 That's fascinating to me, you know? Like, I get it. I can understand it, 1300 01:23:43,190 --> 01:23:46,270 even if I don't agree with it. 1301 01:23:48,110 --> 01:23:52,090 And as long as people are buying the story, the crypto industry will keep 1302 01:23:52,090 --> 01:23:55,790 selling it, changing the narrative to fit the needs of the faithful. 1303 01:24:26,570 --> 01:24:29,850 The government bought Wilfredo's land for a fraction of what it was worth. 1304 01:24:32,110 --> 01:24:35,450 He was forced to uproot his family and build a new house nearby. 1305 01:24:40,270 --> 01:24:46,970 The only way he could afford to do that 1306 01:24:46,970 --> 01:24:49,690 was with the financial support of his friends and family. 1307 01:24:50,290 --> 01:24:53,230 In the end, Wilfredo's community saved him. 1308 01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:59,120 And despite Wilfredo and his neighbors being kicked off their land, there are 1309 01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:00,880 still no signs of Bitcoin City. 1310 01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,260 Well, other than Corbyn, that is. 1311 01:25:09,460 --> 01:25:10,460 However, 1312 01:25:15,100 --> 01:25:19,280 the idea of Bitcoin continued to spread, albeit in an unexpected way. 1313 01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:37,370 My first Bitcoin is a nationwide effort to educate the impressionable youth of 1314 01:25:37,370 --> 01:25:39,490 El Salvador on the magical ways of Bitcoin. 1315 01:25:40,450 --> 01:25:46,470 With over 35,000 graduates and counting, an entire generation is being turned on 1316 01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:47,470 to crypto. 1317 01:25:47,730 --> 01:25:48,730 Forcibly. 1318 01:25:50,090 --> 01:25:53,830 And Bitcoin tourists from all over the world could come to watch kids who 1319 01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:54,830 aren't theirs graduate. 1320 01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:09,330 Not weird at all. 1321 01:26:24,430 --> 01:26:25,430 Was it worth it? 1322 01:26:26,290 --> 01:26:32,030 I feel like I was as right as I hoped I would be or more, and yet I had less of 1323 01:26:32,030 --> 01:26:32,949 an effect. 1324 01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:33,950 What do you mean? 1325 01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:40,450 I sort of felt it would be like a movie and it would just disappear, but it's 1326 01:26:40,450 --> 01:26:42,650 not a movie, you know? It's not beautiful and perfect. 1327 01:26:43,730 --> 01:26:46,530 Like, people are still going to believe in crypto no matter what, right? Like, 1328 01:26:46,530 --> 01:26:47,530 it doesn't matter what I say. 1329 01:26:48,490 --> 01:26:51,110 It doesn't matter what anyone says, really. 1330 01:26:52,060 --> 01:26:55,140 I'm kind of tired of being me. I'm ready to go back to pretending to be somebody 1331 01:26:55,140 --> 01:26:56,140 else. 1332 01:26:56,740 --> 01:26:57,740 Let's be honest. 1333 01:26:58,100 --> 01:27:00,260 I am not as interesting as the people that I play. 1334 01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:01,800 I mean, I wasn't going to say that. 1335 01:27:03,660 --> 01:27:04,860 Who should I pretend to be next? 1336 01:27:07,100 --> 01:27:08,580 Doctor, cop, lawyer, right? 1337 01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:10,840 Yeah. 1338 01:27:11,700 --> 01:27:14,340 I'm going to just become a fake cop again. 1339 01:27:15,620 --> 01:27:17,380 Get back to some honest work. 1340 01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:19,080 But I'm married. 1341 01:27:23,370 --> 01:27:25,950 Very few people would have put up with what you put up with. 1342 01:27:27,690 --> 01:27:30,510 So go ahead. Now that you've been listening for two years, what is 1343 01:27:30,510 --> 01:27:31,510 cryptocurrency, right? 1344 01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:35,690 I just impaled myself on this tiny, tiny knob. 1345 01:27:38,850 --> 01:27:42,950 Well, we've got two night scenes. Do you want to do them tonight or tomorrow? 1346 01:27:43,310 --> 01:27:44,330 What are the night scenes? 1347 01:27:44,810 --> 01:27:48,890 One is my low point. I'm down in a rabbit hole. I'm in the kitchen looking 1348 01:27:48,890 --> 01:27:49,890 at videos. 1349 01:27:50,190 --> 01:27:52,050 Thanks for your letter. 1350 01:27:52,890 --> 01:27:55,850 Please send a clone over. 1351 01:27:56,110 --> 01:28:02,670 I'll use him for garden work and harmonies. 1352 01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:10,270 Speaking of pretty new documentaries, have you 1353 01:28:10,270 --> 01:28:13,930 seen the one about the Roshnish Baram Society? 1354 01:28:15,410 --> 01:28:20,890 Everyone seemed to think they were lunatics, but I thought a thought. 1355 01:28:21,530 --> 01:28:26,990 Hey, I get this inside this rational brain of mine. I long to be 1356 01:28:26,990 --> 01:28:29,370 contradicted. I wait for a sign. 1357 01:28:29,610 --> 01:28:34,570 Doesn't matter what cult, what sign. Just give me any culty sign. 1358 01:28:34,910 --> 01:28:40,190 Have a good time with your Bitcoin and your crypto and everything else that 1359 01:28:40,190 --> 01:28:41,190 you're playing with. 1360 01:28:43,090 --> 01:28:48,850 Though I'm guessing maybe you are an atheist. 1361 01:28:50,700 --> 01:28:55,920 You'd get a reason, you'd get a goal. You'd know how to dress and how to 1362 01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,500 cleanse your soul. I'd be up for that. 1363 01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,000 I'd be totally up for cleansing my soul. 1364 01:29:04,900 --> 01:29:08,620 Would I have to split from my family? 1365 01:29:11,500 --> 01:29:15,680 They wouldn't know what got into me. 1366 01:29:17,480 --> 01:29:20,880 I'd change my name into something cool. 1367 01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:26,620 Warlords bring grass and the leader would use me as a songwriter too. I'd 1368 01:29:26,620 --> 01:29:29,540 spread her message to the world. 1369 01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,780 Send in the choir. 1370 01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:40,300 Send in the choir. 1371 01:29:44,580 --> 01:29:46,420 Send in the choir. 111937

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