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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,546 --> 00:00:14,618 January 23, 1984. 2 00:00:14,619 --> 00:00:17,190 It was a day that changed my life forever. 3 00:00:17,191 --> 00:00:19,762 ...The muscle, the moral courage that built 4 00:00:19,763 --> 00:00:22,668 the greatest, freest nation the world has ever known. 5 00:00:22,669 --> 00:00:24,405 Ronald Reagan was our President 6 00:00:24,406 --> 00:00:26,442 and there was trouble brewing in Iran. 7 00:00:26,443 --> 00:00:28,179 I was just a kid, 8 00:00:28,180 --> 00:00:30,217 but I knew who was behind it. 9 00:00:30,218 --> 00:00:32,188 His name was The Iron Sheik. 10 00:00:32,189 --> 00:00:34,826 From Tehran, Iran, 11 00:00:34,827 --> 00:00:38,100 weighing 258 lbs, 12 00:00:38,101 --> 00:00:40,973 The Iron Sheik! 13 00:00:40,974 --> 00:00:43,477 They have a lot of hate in their hearts for this man. 14 00:00:43,478 --> 00:00:48,388 Iran-- number one! U.S.A.-- 15 00:00:48,389 --> 00:00:51,161 You see, Reagan may have freed the hostages 16 00:00:51,162 --> 00:00:54,400 but The Sheik still had the championship belt. 17 00:00:54,401 --> 00:00:56,338 There was only one man 18 00:00:56,339 --> 00:00:58,342 that could save us. 19 00:00:58,343 --> 00:01:01,482 # I am a real American... # 20 00:01:01,483 --> 00:01:04,889 From Venice Beach, California, 21 00:01:04,890 --> 00:01:10,000 the incredible Hulk Hogan! 22 00:01:10,001 --> 00:01:12,505 And the Hulkster rips off that shirt. 23 00:01:12,506 --> 00:01:14,976 But three minutes into the match 24 00:01:14,977 --> 00:01:17,917 Hulk Hogan was locked in the dreaded camel clutch. 25 00:01:17,918 --> 00:01:19,586 It's over for the Hulk. 26 00:01:19,587 --> 00:01:21,824 This move would snap the back of a normal man, 27 00:01:21,825 --> 00:01:23,929 But this wasn't a normal man. 28 00:01:23,930 --> 00:01:25,532 This was Hulk Hogan 29 00:01:25,533 --> 00:01:28,171 and he was fighting for our country. 30 00:01:28,172 --> 00:01:30,910 The Hulkster got out of the camel clutch 31 00:01:30,911 --> 00:01:32,781 with the Sheik on his back, 32 00:01:32,782 --> 00:01:34,651 dropped the big leg 33 00:01:34,652 --> 00:01:36,655 and he pinned the Sheik. 34 00:01:36,656 --> 00:01:39,161 Hulkamania was born and the message was clear-- 35 00:01:39,162 --> 00:01:41,165 You don't mess with Hulk Hogan 36 00:01:41,166 --> 00:01:43,002 and you certainly don't mess with America. 37 00:01:48,013 --> 00:01:49,449 I must break you. 38 00:01:49,450 --> 00:01:51,620 Look what happened to Ivan Drago. 39 00:01:51,621 --> 00:01:53,056 He tried to mess with America 40 00:01:53,057 --> 00:01:55,060 and Rocky kicked his ass. 41 00:01:55,061 --> 00:01:57,365 And then when the Vietnamese were holding P.O.W.S 42 00:01:57,366 --> 00:01:59,903 Rambo went in and he kicked their ass. 43 00:01:59,904 --> 00:02:01,907 And in the spirit of Rambo 44 00:02:01,908 --> 00:02:05,315 let me tell you we're gonna win this time. 45 00:02:05,316 --> 00:02:07,319 Then came Arnold Schwarzenegger, 46 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,056 The ultimate ass-kicker. 47 00:02:09,057 --> 00:02:11,995 I never saw "Gone With the Wind" or "Casablanca," 48 00:02:11,996 --> 00:02:15,068 but I can tell you every line of every Arnold movie. 49 00:02:15,069 --> 00:02:18,074 "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you 50 00:02:18,075 --> 00:02:20,579 and hear the lamentations of the women." 51 00:02:20,580 --> 00:02:23,285 "Dylan, you son of a bitch." 52 00:02:23,286 --> 00:02:26,291 And they go bam! And they're all oiled up and their veins are popping out. 53 00:02:26,292 --> 00:02:28,630 I have the power! 54 00:02:28,631 --> 00:02:31,469 Better, Stronger, Faster. 55 00:02:31,470 --> 00:02:32,972 I was just 12 years old 56 00:02:32,973 --> 00:02:35,677 and there was an explosion of ass-kicking in America. 57 00:02:35,678 --> 00:02:37,514 And like our Olympic athletes 58 00:02:37,515 --> 00:02:39,285 we set our sights on the stars 59 00:02:39,286 --> 00:02:40,955 and we're going for the gold. 60 00:02:40,956 --> 00:02:43,494 # the eye of the tiger. # 61 00:02:45,934 --> 00:02:47,937 I wanted to tear off my shirt 62 00:02:47,938 --> 00:02:50,976 and be ripped, tanned and larger than life. 63 00:02:50,977 --> 00:02:52,413 But in reality 64 00:02:52,414 --> 00:02:55,185 I was a fat, pale kid from Poughkeepsie. 65 00:02:55,186 --> 00:02:56,788 You see, I come from an overweight family. 66 00:02:56,789 --> 00:02:59,594 My parents were always a little on the heavy side. 67 00:02:59,595 --> 00:03:01,598 I couldn't ask for a better mom. 68 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:03,268 She did everything for her three boys. 69 00:03:03,269 --> 00:03:05,005 We went to church three times a week 70 00:03:05,006 --> 00:03:07,043 and she even taught Sunday school. 71 00:03:07,044 --> 00:03:09,314 My dad was always there for us too 72 00:03:09,315 --> 00:03:12,587 and he even coached our little league teams. 73 00:03:12,588 --> 00:03:15,694 I love my dad, but he was never really my hero. 74 00:03:15,695 --> 00:03:17,732 I didn't want to be like him. 75 00:03:17,733 --> 00:03:19,302 I wanted to be like Arnold. 76 00:03:19,303 --> 00:03:22,742 Problem is, I was always too small, too short. 77 00:03:22,743 --> 00:03:25,514 People would say, "Hey, Little Bell. What's up, Little Bell?" 78 00:03:25,515 --> 00:03:27,518 And I didn't want to be Little Bell. 79 00:03:27,519 --> 00:03:29,523 I wanted to be Big Bell. 80 00:03:29,524 --> 00:03:32,061 My older brother Mike was a little chubby 81 00:03:32,062 --> 00:03:34,300 and every morning when he went to school 82 00:03:34,301 --> 00:03:36,905 he'd get on the bus and the kids would call him Pugsley. 83 00:03:36,906 --> 00:03:38,776 He didn't like that too much, 84 00:03:38,777 --> 00:03:40,780 so he beat some of those kids up. 85 00:03:40,781 --> 00:03:44,253 That's where he got the nickname "Mad Dog." 86 00:03:44,254 --> 00:03:46,325 Mark was the baby of the family. 87 00:03:46,326 --> 00:03:48,362 He had a hard time in school. 88 00:03:48,363 --> 00:03:49,866 He was separated from his friends 89 00:03:49,867 --> 00:03:51,870 and put in the class with the special kids. 90 00:03:51,871 --> 00:03:54,575 It didn't make him feel very special at all. 91 00:03:54,576 --> 00:03:56,211 He hated school, 92 00:03:56,212 --> 00:03:58,884 So he spent all of his time playing sports. 93 00:03:58,885 --> 00:04:01,189 He'd come to the dinner table dripping with sweat. 94 00:04:01,190 --> 00:04:04,562 Mad Dog and I nicknamed him "Smelly." 95 00:04:04,563 --> 00:04:07,569 So I was the short kid, Mad Dog was the fat kid 96 00:04:07,570 --> 00:04:09,573 And Smelly had a learning disability. 97 00:04:09,574 --> 00:04:12,179 Okay, I get it. We're never gonna make it, right? 98 00:04:12,180 --> 00:04:15,351 But for us, we knew muscles were the answer 99 00:04:15,352 --> 00:04:17,723 and the Hulkster showed us the way. 100 00:04:17,724 --> 00:04:19,761 Train, say your prayers, eat your vitamins. 101 00:04:19,762 --> 00:04:22,199 Be true to yourself, true to your country. 102 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,671 Be a real American. 103 00:04:24,672 --> 00:04:27,878 So we started training in the basement. 104 00:04:27,879 --> 00:04:29,280 We'd body-slam each other, 105 00:04:29,281 --> 00:04:31,284 drop elbows, D.D.T.S 106 00:04:31,285 --> 00:04:34,157 Double noggin knocker, the abdominal stretch, 107 00:04:34,158 --> 00:04:36,829 the iron claw, the Boston crab 108 00:04:36,830 --> 00:04:38,031 the piledriver. 109 00:04:38,032 --> 00:04:40,570 And when Mad Dog was too tough for me 110 00:04:40,571 --> 00:04:42,074 I would break out the steel chair. 111 00:04:43,812 --> 00:04:45,982 My mom's brother John was a bodybuilder 112 00:04:45,983 --> 00:04:48,420 and he gave me and my brothers our first muscle magazines 113 00:04:48,421 --> 00:04:50,525 and showed us how to work out. 114 00:04:50,526 --> 00:04:52,695 And the next Christmas instead of video games 115 00:04:52,696 --> 00:04:54,867 we got the Hulkamania workout set. 116 00:04:54,868 --> 00:04:58,440 Are you ready to feel the power? 117 00:04:58,441 --> 00:05:01,013 Ladies and gentlemen, we are 118 00:05:01,014 --> 00:05:03,752 the power team! 119 00:05:03,753 --> 00:05:05,924 Mad Dog became the captain of the football team 120 00:05:05,925 --> 00:05:09,297 and Smelly and I both started competing in power lifting. 121 00:05:09,298 --> 00:05:13,004 Chris Bell is next at 425. 122 00:05:13,005 --> 00:05:16,245 Soon I was the strongest kid in my high school. 123 00:05:16,246 --> 00:05:18,249 Then I broke the New York State record. 124 00:05:18,250 --> 00:05:20,687 And that's when I first got accused of using steroids. 125 00:05:29,373 --> 00:05:31,643 I knew guys who used them, but they were losers. 126 00:05:31,644 --> 00:05:34,683 If my heroes didn't need steroids then neither did I. 127 00:05:34,684 --> 00:05:36,687 By the time I was a senior 128 00:05:36,688 --> 00:05:38,858 I was one of the strongest kids in the country. 129 00:05:38,859 --> 00:05:40,762 Hulk Hogan was always talking about 130 00:05:40,763 --> 00:05:43,701 "hanging and banging down at Gold's Gym, Venice Beach, brother." 131 00:05:43,702 --> 00:05:45,840 I thought, "that's where Arnold trains. 132 00:05:45,841 --> 00:05:47,644 that's where I need to be." 133 00:05:47,645 --> 00:05:49,648 I was gonna be an American hero 134 00:05:49,649 --> 00:05:51,652 And I was willing to do whatever it takes. 135 00:06:41,055 --> 00:06:43,426 It's been 15 years since I got to California 136 00:06:43,427 --> 00:06:45,964 and now I'm 33 years old. 137 00:06:45,965 --> 00:06:48,503 When Arnold was 33 he'd already won 138 00:06:48,504 --> 00:06:50,741 the Mr. Olympia seven times. 139 00:06:50,742 --> 00:06:53,480 Stallone had already made "Rocky I and Rocky II." 140 00:06:53,481 --> 00:06:55,484 And the Hulkster had already been 141 00:06:55,485 --> 00:06:58,290 the heavyweight champion four years in a row. 142 00:06:58,291 --> 00:07:01,363 I really thought muscles were gonna be the answer. 143 00:07:01,364 --> 00:07:05,104 But all they got me was a job selling gym memberships. 144 00:07:05,105 --> 00:07:07,308 I still train every day at Gold's, 145 00:07:07,309 --> 00:07:10,749 But the only thing left of Arnold is a cheap mural on the wall 146 00:07:10,750 --> 00:07:13,221 and a bunch of guys telling stories about the old days, 147 00:07:13,222 --> 00:07:14,724 like my buddy Paul. 148 00:07:14,725 --> 00:07:16,962 It's changed a lot in all these years, you know. 149 00:07:16,963 --> 00:07:18,499 How long have you been here? 150 00:07:18,500 --> 00:07:19,968 Since 1980. 151 00:07:19,969 --> 00:07:22,207 Of course, Arnold was on the scene and Arnold-- 152 00:07:22,208 --> 00:07:24,845 Nobody had ever seen anybody who looked like Arnold. 153 00:07:24,846 --> 00:07:27,350 Sylvester Stallone had just done the "Rocky" movies 154 00:07:27,351 --> 00:07:29,388 and he was the type of guy that I could relate to. 155 00:07:29,389 --> 00:07:32,160 Paul even got a chance to work with Sly in "Over the Top." 156 00:07:32,161 --> 00:07:34,064 I should be able to blow them away real easy. 157 00:07:37,839 --> 00:07:40,110 I couldn't believe the dream was coming true. 158 00:07:40,111 --> 00:07:41,781 And did you get a chance to do it again? 159 00:07:41,782 --> 00:07:44,420 No, but I'm hoping to get back in shape 160 00:07:44,421 --> 00:07:46,390 to be able to make that a reality. 161 00:07:46,391 --> 00:07:48,428 You can be on the street one day 162 00:07:48,429 --> 00:07:50,598 and you can be in the penthouse the next. 163 00:07:50,599 --> 00:07:51,868 Anything's possible. 164 00:07:55,009 --> 00:07:56,678 This is my humble abode. 165 00:07:56,679 --> 00:07:58,449 - Your humble abode right here? - Yeah. 166 00:07:58,450 --> 00:08:00,720 So do you actually live in the van? 167 00:08:00,721 --> 00:08:02,457 I actually live-- well, I sleep in it, 168 00:08:02,458 --> 00:08:03,893 let's put it this way, yes. 169 00:08:03,894 --> 00:08:06,231 You sleep in it. And then you train over here. 170 00:08:06,232 --> 00:08:08,837 I train here, yeah. 171 00:08:08,838 --> 00:08:10,407 You would see vans like this-- 172 00:08:10,408 --> 00:08:12,378 Guys would come from all over the world, 173 00:08:12,379 --> 00:08:14,382 sleep in their cars, this and that-- 174 00:08:14,383 --> 00:08:16,586 Anything to get a chance to train at Gold's Gym 175 00:08:16,587 --> 00:08:19,525 because we had something special here. 176 00:08:19,526 --> 00:08:21,062 What would you say to people that say, 177 00:08:21,063 --> 00:08:24,503 "the dream's over, man. You're 50 years old." 178 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:26,240 What would you say to those people? 179 00:08:26,241 --> 00:08:29,379 They're the ones that are short-sighted. 180 00:08:29,380 --> 00:08:32,419 Now in six months I could still be in the van, 181 00:08:32,420 --> 00:08:34,356 but if I can outlift everybody, 182 00:08:34,357 --> 00:08:37,363 I can outsquat them, outbench them, out-dead-lift them, 183 00:08:37,364 --> 00:08:39,367 Who's the king? 184 00:08:39,368 --> 00:08:40,903 Guys like you and me 185 00:08:40,904 --> 00:08:43,542 Can fulfill our dreams. 186 00:08:43,543 --> 00:08:45,212 We can train. 187 00:08:45,213 --> 00:08:48,351 Game ain't over. The sun is shining. 188 00:08:50,090 --> 00:08:52,394 And it ain't over. 189 00:08:52,395 --> 00:08:54,565 Is that gonna be me in 20 years? 190 00:08:54,566 --> 00:08:56,737 I did everything my heroes said-- 191 00:08:56,738 --> 00:08:58,874 I trained, I said my prayers, 192 00:08:58,875 --> 00:09:01,112 I had my vitamins. Where did I go wrong? 193 00:09:06,624 --> 00:09:09,362 - Hey, good morning. - Good morning. 194 00:09:09,363 --> 00:09:11,734 How are you? 195 00:09:11,735 --> 00:09:14,507 I always make the cookie bars 'cause cookie bars are important. 196 00:09:14,508 --> 00:09:16,076 What teams did you make these for? 197 00:09:16,077 --> 00:09:17,813 I made them for Arlington football teams 198 00:09:17,814 --> 00:09:19,717 first time ever they won a ball game. 199 00:09:19,718 --> 00:09:21,989 They used to call them "Rosie's cookie bars" 200 00:09:21,990 --> 00:09:24,594 and they really believe that they help them win all the games. 201 00:09:24,595 --> 00:09:26,899 Wouldn't that be like performance enhancement? 202 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:30,038 It's not an enhancement. It's a little bit of sugar, 203 00:09:30,039 --> 00:09:32,310 which can get you going, carbs. 204 00:09:32,311 --> 00:09:34,114 But it's all natural ingredients. 205 00:09:34,115 --> 00:09:37,387 There's no steroids in here. 206 00:09:37,388 --> 00:09:40,894 Eating your mom's cooking is sort of comforting, don't you think? 207 00:09:40,895 --> 00:09:42,298 Sure. 208 00:09:42,299 --> 00:09:44,001 Things change, 209 00:09:44,002 --> 00:09:47,007 but the cookie bars remain, that's for sure. 210 00:09:47,008 --> 00:09:48,911 My mom likes to think 211 00:09:48,912 --> 00:09:50,982 that the world is as pure as her cookie bars. 212 00:09:50,983 --> 00:09:52,986 But life isn't always like that. 213 00:09:52,987 --> 00:09:55,758 And a lot of things we grew up believing ended up not being true. 214 00:09:55,759 --> 00:09:59,099 First I found out there's no such thing as Santa Claus 215 00:09:59,100 --> 00:10:01,170 or the easter bunny. That kind of sucks. 216 00:10:01,171 --> 00:10:02,974 Then I saw this news report. 217 00:10:02,975 --> 00:10:05,278 The Iron Sheik had been arrested recently 218 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:07,283 along with wrestler Hacksaw Jim Duggan 219 00:10:07,284 --> 00:10:09,587 while driving along the Garden State Parkway. 220 00:10:09,588 --> 00:10:13,028 The Iron Sheik was charged with possession of cocaine and marijuana. 221 00:10:13,029 --> 00:10:15,634 What has interested most wrestling fans in this case 222 00:10:15,635 --> 00:10:18,640 is that the Iron Sheik and Hacksaw are known to be adversaries. 223 00:10:18,641 --> 00:10:20,644 So why were they traveling together? 224 00:10:20,645 --> 00:10:23,082 Yeah, I thought these guys hated each other. 225 00:10:23,083 --> 00:10:25,955 Wham! Right on the back of the Iron Sheik! 226 00:10:25,956 --> 00:10:28,326 Was their feud all made up? 227 00:10:28,327 --> 00:10:30,163 Was wrestling fake? 228 00:10:30,164 --> 00:10:32,602 Who's left to believe in anymore? 229 00:10:32,603 --> 00:10:34,840 Well, at least I still had my heroes. 230 00:10:34,841 --> 00:10:36,777 Those guys would never let me down. 231 00:10:36,778 --> 00:10:39,349 # I need a hero... # 232 00:10:39,350 --> 00:10:41,721 Today Hogan admits the famous physique 233 00:10:41,722 --> 00:10:43,859 was the result of 12 years of steroids. 234 00:10:43,860 --> 00:10:48,001 Truth is, all my heroes had a dirty little secret. 235 00:10:48,002 --> 00:10:50,472 Hollywood actor Sylvester Stallone has been charged 236 00:10:50,473 --> 00:10:52,476 with importing bodybuilding drugs 237 00:10:52,477 --> 00:10:54,448 when he visited Australia last month. 238 00:10:54,449 --> 00:10:56,352 Did you take steroids? - I take them. 239 00:10:56,353 --> 00:10:58,756 I took them, yeah, up until the competition. 240 00:10:58,757 --> 00:11:00,760 I was always against steroids 241 00:11:00,761 --> 00:11:03,032 and when I found out that all my heroes used them 242 00:11:03,033 --> 00:11:05,704 I'd like to say it didn't bother me, but it really did. 243 00:11:05,705 --> 00:11:07,675 I can't imagine how my mom would feel 244 00:11:07,676 --> 00:11:09,679 if she found out that both of my brothers 245 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:12,218 are on steroids right now. 246 00:11:12,219 --> 00:11:14,756 My older brother started using steroids 247 00:11:14,757 --> 00:11:16,761 when he went to play Division I football 248 00:11:16,762 --> 00:11:18,497 at the University of Cincinnati. 249 00:11:18,498 --> 00:11:20,869 When I got to Cincinnati the practices were so grueling, 250 00:11:20,870 --> 00:11:23,073 much more than what I expected. 251 00:11:23,074 --> 00:11:25,745 Coaches would say, "you gotta get bigger, stronger, faster." 252 00:11:25,746 --> 00:11:27,182 Was it intimidating? - Oh, man, 253 00:11:27,183 --> 00:11:29,253 A lot different than I thought it was gonna be. 254 00:11:29,254 --> 00:11:32,259 He called me from Cincinnati and asked me for money for steroids. 255 00:11:32,260 --> 00:11:34,798 I said, "what do you need that for?" he says, "I can't compete here." 256 00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:37,737 So I'm like, "I don't know what that is. It sounds like drugs." 257 00:11:37,738 --> 00:11:40,543 He goes, "it is drugs." I said, "I'm not gonna send you money for drugs. 258 00:11:40,544 --> 00:11:42,547 If you want drugs go get a job." 259 00:11:42,548 --> 00:11:45,353 I remember at one point I think you maybe came home 260 00:11:45,354 --> 00:11:47,358 for a break or you did something 261 00:11:47,359 --> 00:11:49,929 and you told me, "hey, come here, help me out." 262 00:11:49,930 --> 00:11:53,136 And you pulled down your pants and you're like, "you have to inject this in me." 263 00:11:53,137 --> 00:11:55,474 And I hated it 'cause I was totally against steroids. 264 00:11:55,475 --> 00:11:58,346 And you were like, "come on, just do it. You have to do it." 265 00:11:58,347 --> 00:12:01,186 You gotta help your big brother out, man. So it was no decision at all. 266 00:12:01,187 --> 00:12:04,927 Everybody else that was doing well was on 'em. 267 00:12:04,928 --> 00:12:06,998 Shortly after getting on the juice 268 00:12:06,999 --> 00:12:09,303 Mad Dog quit college to pursue an even bigger dream. 269 00:12:09,304 --> 00:12:11,373 Oh, look at that now! 270 00:12:11,374 --> 00:12:12,910 Here we go! Mike Bell! 271 00:12:12,911 --> 00:12:14,447 I couldn't believe it. 272 00:12:14,448 --> 00:12:16,418 That was my big brother wrestling on T.V. 273 00:12:16,419 --> 00:12:18,488 Right hand by Bell. Oh, man! 274 00:12:18,489 --> 00:12:20,492 Mad Dog wanted to be a superstar, 275 00:12:20,493 --> 00:12:22,496 But he was what they call a "jobber." 276 00:12:22,497 --> 00:12:24,401 That's the guy they pay to get beat up 277 00:12:24,402 --> 00:12:26,772 to make the other guys look good. He didn't care, though. 278 00:12:26,773 --> 00:12:29,745 He was gonna get himself a contract and headline "Wrestlemania." 279 00:12:29,746 --> 00:12:31,582 Why did you even come in the ring? 280 00:12:31,583 --> 00:12:32,986 You should have gone home, dummy. 281 00:12:32,987 --> 00:12:34,856 But he never got the contract 282 00:12:34,857 --> 00:12:37,829 And eventually the W.W.E. stopped calling. 283 00:12:37,830 --> 00:12:39,833 Why did you think you didn't make it? 284 00:12:39,834 --> 00:12:42,505 Probably mostly my own fault. 285 00:12:42,506 --> 00:12:44,676 I went from being a guy who used steroids 286 00:12:44,677 --> 00:12:46,513 to a guy who used steroids and pot. 287 00:12:46,514 --> 00:12:48,518 And I still needed to escape reality 288 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:51,223 so I started taking ecstasy, cocaine, acid, painkillers. 289 00:12:51,224 --> 00:12:53,528 Mike Bell is where he does not need to be now. 290 00:12:53,529 --> 00:12:55,532 He's in the wrong corner and he's paying the price. 291 00:12:55,533 --> 00:12:57,536 Mad Dog always told me 292 00:12:57,537 --> 00:12:59,573 that he'd rather be dead than average. 293 00:12:59,574 --> 00:13:01,478 And when he thought his dream was over 294 00:13:01,479 --> 00:13:04,016 he couldn't cope with the failure. 295 00:13:04,017 --> 00:13:05,787 So I had a bottle of liquid lead, 296 00:13:05,788 --> 00:13:08,159 a bottle of NyQuil and four boxes of sleeping pills. 297 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,862 I went down to the river 298 00:13:09,863 --> 00:13:12,367 down by the railroad tracks, 299 00:13:12,368 --> 00:13:15,974 parked my car, took everything. 300 00:13:15,975 --> 00:13:18,647 And he tried to walk into the-- 301 00:13:20,618 --> 00:13:24,292 He tried to walk into the Hudson river. 302 00:13:24,293 --> 00:13:26,396 So did you take all the sleeping pills? 303 00:13:26,397 --> 00:13:28,166 - Everything. - And the lead additive? 304 00:13:28,167 --> 00:13:30,372 There's no way I should be alive right now. There's no way. 305 00:13:30,373 --> 00:13:32,075 It's 10 years later 306 00:13:32,076 --> 00:13:33,912 and despite everything that happened 307 00:13:33,913 --> 00:13:36,050 Mad Dog is still trying to get that contract, 308 00:13:36,051 --> 00:13:38,054 Trying to keep the dream alive. 309 00:13:38,055 --> 00:13:40,058 'Cause I've been all over the world 310 00:13:40,059 --> 00:13:43,332 from Singapore to Louisville, and it doesn't matter-- 311 00:13:43,333 --> 00:13:45,836 You line 'em up, I'll knock 'em down. 312 00:13:45,837 --> 00:13:47,540 I can see why you never made it. 313 00:13:49,412 --> 00:13:52,083 Mad Dog used to wrestle in front of a television audience 314 00:13:52,084 --> 00:13:54,087 of 10 million people every week, 315 00:13:54,088 --> 00:13:58,129 but tonight he's wrestling at the Portuguese Men's Center 316 00:13:58,130 --> 00:14:02,071 In front of 200 people for about 50 bucks. 317 00:14:05,579 --> 00:14:08,284 And instead of wrestling Bret the Hitman Hart 318 00:14:08,285 --> 00:14:10,054 He's facing Midgeto 319 00:14:10,055 --> 00:14:12,058 And he's getting his ass kicked. 320 00:14:13,728 --> 00:14:15,264 Come on, man, come on. 321 00:14:18,338 --> 00:14:20,976 My baby brother Smelly was always trying to keep up 322 00:14:20,977 --> 00:14:23,381 and despite everything that happened to Mad Dog 323 00:14:23,382 --> 00:14:25,385 he followed in his footsteps anyway, 324 00:14:25,386 --> 00:14:28,358 becoming a pro wrestler and using steroids. 325 00:14:28,359 --> 00:14:30,930 The reason I decided to use steroids was simple. 326 00:14:30,931 --> 00:14:32,434 I just needed to get bigger. 327 00:14:32,435 --> 00:14:33,936 That was pretty much it. 328 00:14:33,937 --> 00:14:36,275 But unlike when Mad Dog started using steroids, 329 00:14:36,276 --> 00:14:37,945 Smelly had a wife to consider. 330 00:14:37,946 --> 00:14:39,581 When you got married did you ever think 331 00:14:39,582 --> 00:14:41,820 that your husband would be injecting himself with something? 332 00:14:41,821 --> 00:14:44,793 No, that didn't even enter in my conscious thought. 333 00:14:44,794 --> 00:14:47,331 When I first met him he was against steroids. 334 00:14:47,332 --> 00:14:48,700 He was like, "you don't need to do it. 335 00:14:48,701 --> 00:14:50,906 I've never done 'em. I just don't believe in 'em." 336 00:14:50,907 --> 00:14:52,843 I was pretty upset about it 337 00:14:52,844 --> 00:14:55,114 Because I didn't want it to come to that. I was kind of scared. 338 00:14:55,115 --> 00:14:59,055 I didn't want to inject this oil into my body. 339 00:14:59,056 --> 00:15:01,093 I thought it was weird. 340 00:15:01,094 --> 00:15:03,097 He's not a huge guy, you know. 341 00:15:03,098 --> 00:15:04,734 He's 6' if he's lucky 342 00:15:04,735 --> 00:15:08,107 and so I knew that it was definitely going to help 343 00:15:08,108 --> 00:15:11,248 because that's what it does, 344 00:15:11,249 --> 00:15:13,752 what steroids do-- make you bigger. 345 00:15:13,753 --> 00:15:16,993 She basically said, "do what you need to do." 346 00:15:16,994 --> 00:15:18,997 Here's Jake with the daddy. 347 00:15:18,998 --> 00:15:20,901 After their son was born Smelly decided 348 00:15:20,902 --> 00:15:24,509 The life of a pro wrestler was not exactly what he wanted anymore. 349 00:15:24,510 --> 00:15:26,546 Here's my little Jake in his swing. 350 00:15:26,547 --> 00:15:29,685 Mark: Looking back, I don't really know what the hell I wanted. 351 00:15:29,686 --> 00:15:32,424 Having a contract means that you belong to W.W.E. 352 00:15:32,425 --> 00:15:34,630 And you have to travel. I was married with a kid. 353 00:15:34,631 --> 00:15:37,335 I mean, that's really all I need-- 354 00:15:37,336 --> 00:15:39,506 A house, a kid and a wife. I'm set. 355 00:15:39,507 --> 00:15:41,177 One, two, three! 356 00:15:41,178 --> 00:15:42,747 They settled down in the suburbs 357 00:15:42,748 --> 00:15:44,751 and Smelly even opened up his own gym. 358 00:15:44,752 --> 00:15:46,488 Yeah, my little brother gave up 359 00:15:46,489 --> 00:15:48,625 the wrestling dream for a respectable family life, 360 00:15:48,626 --> 00:15:50,796 but he didn't quite give up everything. 361 00:15:54,772 --> 00:15:56,776 Now that I'm into it 362 00:15:56,777 --> 00:15:59,815 I realize it's not really all that bad. I love steroids. 363 00:15:59,816 --> 00:16:02,521 I think I'll probably be on and off of them 364 00:16:02,522 --> 00:16:04,225 probably forever. 365 00:16:04,226 --> 00:16:06,195 This is what you trained for! This is what you do! 366 00:16:06,196 --> 00:16:08,767 Come on, boy! 367 00:16:08,768 --> 00:16:10,838 I thought that we had an agreement 368 00:16:10,839 --> 00:16:12,307 that he did it for wrestling. 369 00:16:12,308 --> 00:16:13,911 Now he's not wrestling anymore 370 00:16:13,912 --> 00:16:16,216 so naturally I thought he would just stop. 371 00:16:16,217 --> 00:16:18,520 In my mind there's no excuse 372 00:16:18,521 --> 00:16:20,859 for not being as strong as you possibly can be. 373 00:16:22,062 --> 00:16:24,366 You do what you gotta do to win. 374 00:16:26,237 --> 00:16:27,773 Come on, Chris, let's do this now. 375 00:16:30,079 --> 00:16:33,184 Let's give it up for him. It's a lot of weight. 376 00:16:33,185 --> 00:16:34,955 There it is. 377 00:16:34,956 --> 00:16:36,190 Come on now! 378 00:16:40,701 --> 00:16:44,041 Smoke show! Come on, Chris. 379 00:16:46,948 --> 00:16:48,917 - Take it, take it. Take it, take it. 380 00:16:50,989 --> 00:16:52,992 Nice try, Chris, nice try. 381 00:16:52,993 --> 00:16:55,164 If you are apprehensive 382 00:16:55,165 --> 00:16:57,401 about taking a steroid or you're apprehensive 383 00:16:57,402 --> 00:16:59,606 about trying some new methods 384 00:16:59,607 --> 00:17:01,777 then maybe you're not cut out to be a champion. 385 00:17:01,778 --> 00:17:04,617 In first place, Mark Bell. 386 00:17:04,618 --> 00:17:07,589 I guess I'm not cut out to be a champion, 387 00:17:07,590 --> 00:17:10,930 because I tried steroids but I felt so guilty I had to stop. 388 00:17:10,931 --> 00:17:13,234 - Are you gonna win worst overall lifter? - Yeah. 389 00:17:13,235 --> 00:17:14,871 And now I can't even compete 390 00:17:14,872 --> 00:17:16,775 In the sport I grew up loving. 391 00:17:16,776 --> 00:17:20,316 I mean, my baby brother just beat me by 130 lbs. 392 00:17:22,121 --> 00:17:24,859 We all grew up in the same house, 393 00:17:24,860 --> 00:17:28,466 so why are my brothers fine with steroids but I'm not? 394 00:17:28,467 --> 00:17:30,236 What would you say the differences are 395 00:17:30,237 --> 00:17:32,775 - between the three kids. - Between the three? 396 00:17:32,776 --> 00:17:35,080 Well, I always kind of say it like this-- 397 00:17:35,081 --> 00:17:37,551 you were in the middle of two guys 398 00:17:37,552 --> 00:17:39,455 that were very strapping, athletic, 399 00:17:39,456 --> 00:17:41,460 and you were tiny and short in stature, 400 00:17:41,461 --> 00:17:44,700 so I worked extra hard to make you feel extra special. 401 00:17:44,701 --> 00:17:46,570 One day I took you in your room-- 402 00:17:46,571 --> 00:17:49,309 I don't know if you remember this conversation where I said, 403 00:17:49,310 --> 00:17:51,881 "Christopher, what's the best part of an Oreo cookie?" 404 00:17:51,882 --> 00:17:53,819 What is the best part of an Oreo cookie? 405 00:17:53,820 --> 00:17:56,123 - The middle. - The middle. That's right. 406 00:17:56,124 --> 00:17:59,999 So even though you have two sides of a cookie on this end, 407 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,768 the middle part is the most delicious. 408 00:18:01,769 --> 00:18:04,140 Everybody wants the middle. They even made double stuff. 409 00:18:04,141 --> 00:18:06,879 Yep, this is pretty much how it was growing up. 410 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,583 Mom stayed at home with the kids 411 00:18:08,584 --> 00:18:11,255 while Dad wore a suit and tie and went to work. 412 00:18:11,256 --> 00:18:14,695 He was at I.B.M. for 20 years until he was downsized. 413 00:18:14,696 --> 00:18:17,200 But now he has his own business doing taxes. 414 00:18:17,201 --> 00:18:19,472 Everybody thinks that success in America 415 00:18:19,473 --> 00:18:21,977 is in the amount of dollars that you have. And that's not true. 416 00:18:21,978 --> 00:18:23,814 The real true heroes are people 417 00:18:23,815 --> 00:18:25,818 who go to work every day and do their job 418 00:18:25,819 --> 00:18:28,424 and bring up their kids to the best of their ability. 419 00:18:28,425 --> 00:18:30,428 I wanted to be Hulk Hogan. 420 00:18:30,429 --> 00:18:33,100 I wanted to be Arnold. I wanted to be Sylvester Stallone. 421 00:18:33,101 --> 00:18:35,605 Did you have heroes like that growing up, when you were a kid? 422 00:18:35,606 --> 00:18:38,545 Yeah, we did. We had heroes 423 00:18:38,546 --> 00:18:42,019 like Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris. 424 00:18:42,020 --> 00:18:44,356 But I knew I could never aspire to it 425 00:18:44,357 --> 00:18:46,628 because back then you grew up, 426 00:18:46,629 --> 00:18:48,966 you graduated, you got married and you had kids. 427 00:18:48,967 --> 00:18:51,705 Yeah, my dad had the American dream-- 428 00:18:51,706 --> 00:18:53,877 you know, marry your high-school sweetheart, 429 00:18:53,878 --> 00:18:57,451 buy a house and take your kids to see the Yankees. 430 00:18:57,452 --> 00:18:59,455 But things are different now. 431 00:18:59,456 --> 00:19:02,862 And even baseball's changed from when my dad was growing up. 432 00:19:02,863 --> 00:19:04,867 And now when I think of baseball 433 00:19:04,868 --> 00:19:07,238 I don't think about the Babe or Hammerin' Hank. 434 00:19:10,178 --> 00:19:12,214 I think of steroids. 435 00:19:12,215 --> 00:19:16,992 This one is a monster! It is out of here! 436 00:19:16,993 --> 00:19:21,233 After the strike of '94 baseball was almost dead. 437 00:19:21,234 --> 00:19:23,337 But then Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa 438 00:19:23,338 --> 00:19:25,443 started smashing home runs, 439 00:19:25,444 --> 00:19:27,680 racing toward the single-season record. 440 00:19:27,681 --> 00:19:29,784 You see, about 1000 years ago 441 00:19:29,785 --> 00:19:32,490 Babe Ruth had 60 home runs in one season. 442 00:19:32,491 --> 00:19:34,327 And then when my parents were still kids 443 00:19:34,328 --> 00:19:36,632 Roger Maris hit number 61. 444 00:19:36,633 --> 00:19:39,271 He was the home-run champ for 37 years 445 00:19:39,272 --> 00:19:42,544 until Big Mac came along and crushed that record 446 00:19:42,545 --> 00:19:45,952 with 70 home runs and baseball was saved. 447 00:19:45,953 --> 00:19:47,689 Gone! 448 00:19:47,690 --> 00:19:51,430 Mark McGuire, you have just broken the home-run record. 449 00:19:51,431 --> 00:19:53,267 What are you going to do next? 450 00:19:53,268 --> 00:19:54,736 We're going to Disney World. 451 00:19:56,842 --> 00:19:59,781 I guess Barry Bonds wanted to go to Disney world too 452 00:19:59,782 --> 00:20:01,283 'cause in 2001 453 00:20:01,284 --> 00:20:03,688 he smashed 73 bombs to break McGuire's record. 454 00:20:03,689 --> 00:20:05,325 This is the one! 455 00:20:05,326 --> 00:20:07,329 There's a new record homer! 456 00:20:07,330 --> 00:20:10,102 See, baseball players used to be scrawny, 457 00:20:10,103 --> 00:20:12,974 but now these guys were jacked and it was cool. 458 00:20:12,975 --> 00:20:15,380 They started looking like pro wrestlers. 459 00:20:15,381 --> 00:20:18,686 If you were to construct a home-run hitter 460 00:20:18,687 --> 00:20:22,093 in a lab, put him together, he'd look like that. 461 00:20:22,094 --> 00:20:24,398 Turns out, that was kind of what was going on. 462 00:20:24,399 --> 00:20:26,970 The man with ties to some big-name athletes 463 00:20:26,971 --> 00:20:28,674 has been charged with providing 464 00:20:28,675 --> 00:20:30,744 performance-enhancing drugs to the pros. 465 00:20:30,745 --> 00:20:33,684 The guy with the pencil-thin mustache is Victor Conte. 466 00:20:33,685 --> 00:20:36,289 He used to be the bass player for Tower of Power, 467 00:20:36,290 --> 00:20:38,293 but when that career didn't work out 468 00:20:38,294 --> 00:20:40,499 he did what any failed musician would do-- 469 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:43,204 he started selling undetectable steroids to athletes. 470 00:20:43,205 --> 00:20:45,242 Will you name names? 471 00:20:45,243 --> 00:20:47,079 There will be naming of names. 472 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,118 Conte's files named over 250 athletes, 473 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,759 including the home-run king himself, Barry Bonds. 474 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,863 And then something even crazier happened-- 475 00:20:55,864 --> 00:20:58,002 Jose Canseco wrote a book. 476 00:20:58,003 --> 00:21:01,341 The surprise wasn't that he was literate, it's what he wrote about. 477 00:21:01,342 --> 00:21:03,680 He said he'd been taking steroids since '86, 478 00:21:03,681 --> 00:21:06,118 that 80% of baseball was on the juice 479 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,757 and that he personally injected his former bash brother 480 00:21:08,758 --> 00:21:10,661 Mark McGuire in the ass. 481 00:21:10,662 --> 00:21:11,864 But why, Mr. McGuire? 482 00:21:11,865 --> 00:21:14,202 Do you want to know the terrifying truth 483 00:21:14,203 --> 00:21:16,473 or do you want to see me sock a few dingers? 484 00:21:16,474 --> 00:21:18,411 Dingers! Dingers! 485 00:21:19,213 --> 00:21:20,848 Ooh. 486 00:21:20,849 --> 00:21:23,054 All right, Congress wants to haul 487 00:21:23,055 --> 00:21:24,590 a bunch of baseball players 488 00:21:24,591 --> 00:21:26,460 up to Capitol Hill to talk about steroids. 489 00:21:26,461 --> 00:21:30,703 In 2005 Congress spent 151 days in session. 490 00:21:30,704 --> 00:21:33,542 They spent eight of those days debating steroids in sports. 491 00:21:33,543 --> 00:21:36,581 That's more time than they spent on national healthcare, 492 00:21:36,582 --> 00:21:38,585 why the levees broke in New Orleans, 493 00:21:38,586 --> 00:21:40,590 and more than ending the war in Iraq. 494 00:21:40,591 --> 00:21:42,995 Apparently, the United States Congress 495 00:21:42,996 --> 00:21:46,034 takes this whole national pastime thing kind of seriously. 496 00:21:46,035 --> 00:21:49,041 I'm a baseball fan. I always have been. 497 00:21:49,042 --> 00:21:51,713 Let me just start by saying that I am a huge baseball fan. 498 00:21:51,714 --> 00:21:54,051 For me baseball is not a game, it's a passion. 499 00:21:54,052 --> 00:21:56,222 We have every right to be concerned 500 00:21:56,223 --> 00:21:59,329 that the national pastime and all that it represents 501 00:21:59,330 --> 00:22:04,840 has been threatened by the selfish actions of a few. 502 00:22:04,841 --> 00:22:08,247 There's something simply un-American about this. 503 00:22:08,248 --> 00:22:11,754 If using steroids makes the Bash brothers un-American, 504 00:22:11,755 --> 00:22:14,895 what does that make the Bell brothers? 505 00:22:14,896 --> 00:22:18,268 Congressman Kanjorski, do you think that this is not a matter 506 00:22:18,269 --> 00:22:20,138 for the U.S. Congress to be deliberating? 507 00:22:20,139 --> 00:22:21,809 I just don't think it's necessary. 508 00:22:21,810 --> 00:22:23,746 Why are we just gonna call seven people 509 00:22:23,747 --> 00:22:25,149 and of what importance are they? 510 00:22:25,150 --> 00:22:28,422 In the last 52 years we've only done it 25 times. 511 00:22:28,423 --> 00:22:30,426 14 of those times were 512 00:22:30,427 --> 00:22:32,030 by the un-American activities committee. 513 00:22:34,135 --> 00:22:37,040 Are you now or have ever been a member of the Communist Party? 514 00:22:37,041 --> 00:22:39,879 Well, sir, I'm not here to talk about the past. 515 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,453 I have never used steroids, period. 516 00:22:43,454 --> 00:22:46,460 Did you know that other players were using steroids? 517 00:22:46,461 --> 00:22:50,168 I have never seen a syringe. I have never seen steroids. 518 00:22:50,169 --> 00:22:52,673 But in locker-room gossip-- you may not have seen it. 519 00:22:52,674 --> 00:22:55,245 People talk, right? "this guy's doing something, that guy's doing something." 520 00:22:55,246 --> 00:22:58,619 Now Mr. McGuire, would you like to comment on that? 521 00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:01,057 You don't want to comment? 522 00:23:01,058 --> 00:23:02,460 Are you taking the fifth? 523 00:23:04,265 --> 00:23:07,136 This is about values. It's about our culture. 524 00:23:07,137 --> 00:23:09,608 It's about who we define ourselves to be. 525 00:23:09,609 --> 00:23:12,481 When we want to define to a foreign country 526 00:23:12,482 --> 00:23:15,954 what we're about and you're gonna show a film, 527 00:23:15,955 --> 00:23:18,326 what would you go show? 528 00:23:18,327 --> 00:23:20,330 Hey, how about "Rocky IV"? 529 00:23:20,331 --> 00:23:22,101 There's nothing more American than that. 530 00:23:22,102 --> 00:23:24,873 The big Russian trains in a high-tech facility 531 00:23:24,874 --> 00:23:27,545 with a whole team of scientists and trainers, 532 00:23:27,546 --> 00:23:30,518 and of course he takes steroids. 533 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:32,322 Meanwhile, Rocky's out there lifting logs, 534 00:23:32,323 --> 00:23:36,230 chopping wood, training in a barn the all-natural way, 535 00:23:36,231 --> 00:23:38,969 'cause only Commies would take steroids, right? 536 00:23:38,970 --> 00:23:41,674 Sure, Sly, whatever you say. 537 00:23:41,675 --> 00:23:44,080 Truth is, steroids were the secret weapon 538 00:23:44,081 --> 00:23:45,884 that helped American fight the Russians 539 00:23:45,885 --> 00:23:47,587 on the Olympic battlefield. 540 00:23:47,588 --> 00:23:49,591 And it all began here, 541 00:23:49,592 --> 00:23:51,929 York BarHenry in Pennsylvania. 542 00:23:51,930 --> 00:23:53,933 When you were an Olympic coach 543 00:23:53,934 --> 00:23:56,539 did you see a lot of steroid use going on? 544 00:23:56,540 --> 00:23:59,044 Much. 545 00:23:59,045 --> 00:24:00,480 - Yeah. - Much. 546 00:24:00,481 --> 00:24:03,787 Smitty's 83, one of the old-timers. 547 00:24:03,788 --> 00:24:07,228 He was the coach of the Olympic weight-lifting team back then. 548 00:24:07,136 --> 00:24:09,107 Was it ever thought of as cheating at that point? 549 00:24:09,108 --> 00:24:13,216 No. No, because we figured everybody was taking it. 550 00:24:13,602 --> 00:24:15,605 We figured even steven. 551 00:24:15,606 --> 00:24:18,143 Smitty told me the story about how anabolic steroids 552 00:24:18,144 --> 00:24:20,047 were first introduced to the U.S. Olympic team. 553 00:24:20,048 --> 00:24:22,150 It was the late 1950s 554 00:24:22,151 --> 00:24:24,856 and the Russians were dominating America 555 00:24:24,857 --> 00:24:26,458 in the space race and at the Olympics. 556 00:24:26,459 --> 00:24:29,898 But one night the Russian coach got drunk 557 00:24:29,899 --> 00:24:31,869 and told the American coach 558 00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:34,373 they'd been injecting their athletes with steroids. 559 00:24:34,374 --> 00:24:36,043 The American coach raced home 560 00:24:36,044 --> 00:24:38,147 and developed an even more powerful steroid 561 00:24:38,148 --> 00:24:41,385 specifically for team U.S.A. 562 00:24:41,386 --> 00:24:45,326 So if steroids actually helped America beat the commies, 563 00:24:45,327 --> 00:24:48,165 How did it get such a bad rap? 564 00:24:48,166 --> 00:24:51,237 Last week former N.F.L. Defensive lineman Lyle Alzado 565 00:24:51,238 --> 00:24:54,309 told N.B.C. News that steroids were the cause 566 00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:56,613 of his inoperable brain cancer. 567 00:24:56,614 --> 00:24:58,250 How long were you on steroids? 568 00:24:58,251 --> 00:25:00,253 Most of my pro career. 569 00:25:00,254 --> 00:25:02,658 You know, I played 16 years. 570 00:25:02,659 --> 00:25:05,430 And it got me where I wanted but also got me very sick. 571 00:25:05,431 --> 00:25:07,166 Lyle Alzado went from being 572 00:25:07,167 --> 00:25:09,170 the toughest son of a bitch in the N.F.L. 573 00:25:09,171 --> 00:25:11,173 to being a sad dying man. 574 00:25:11,174 --> 00:25:14,113 Everything I saw on T.V. taught me that steroids kill. 575 00:25:14,114 --> 00:25:16,584 Some alarming news about steroid use tonight. 576 00:25:16,585 --> 00:25:18,553 A drug bust in Phoenix, Arizona, 577 00:25:18,554 --> 00:25:20,424 not for heroin or cocaine, 578 00:25:20,425 --> 00:25:22,762 but for something just as dangerous. 579 00:25:22,763 --> 00:25:24,766 Health damage from steroids can include 580 00:25:24,767 --> 00:25:27,370 heart, joint and reproductive problems, 581 00:25:27,371 --> 00:25:28,806 this is a drug that kills. 582 00:25:28,807 --> 00:25:31,344 What happens is that these retarded idiots 583 00:25:31,345 --> 00:25:33,348 that give us the news, these talking heads 584 00:25:33,349 --> 00:25:36,319 that babble on T.V. give us this rhetoric 585 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,323 that comes from not one single expert. 586 00:25:38,324 --> 00:25:41,863 And they say ridiculous things like steroids will kill you, 587 00:25:41,864 --> 00:25:43,934 they'll rot your kidneys, they'll give you cancer, 588 00:25:43,935 --> 00:25:46,104 they'll do all these horrible things that are just not true. 589 00:25:46,105 --> 00:25:49,343 John Romano is the senior editor of a bodybuilding magazine 590 00:25:49,344 --> 00:25:52,015 and he disagrees with what his media colleagues think of steroids. 591 00:25:52,016 --> 00:25:54,119 Well, how come we hear constantly in the news 592 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,056 that people are dying through taking steroids? 593 00:25:56,057 --> 00:25:58,059 - Show me the bodies. - Lyle Alzado. 594 00:25:58,060 --> 00:26:00,063 Lyle Alzado didn't die from steroids. 595 00:26:00,064 --> 00:26:01,399 I trained with him for two years. 596 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,736 He didn't die from steroids. He died from a brain tumor. 597 00:26:03,737 --> 00:26:06,408 I don't know of any of my colleagues that link 598 00:26:06,409 --> 00:26:09,547 his central nervous system lymphoma to his use of steroids. 599 00:26:09,548 --> 00:26:11,551 Dr. Charles Yesalis has published 600 00:26:11,552 --> 00:26:13,554 over 70 articles on the use of steroids 601 00:26:13,555 --> 00:26:17,027 and is one of the top experts in the world on drugs in sports. 602 00:26:17,028 --> 00:26:19,198 - Are steroids killing people? - good question. 603 00:26:19,199 --> 00:26:21,202 They've been used in medicine 604 00:26:21,203 --> 00:26:23,205 since the late 1930s. 605 00:26:23,206 --> 00:26:25,510 I hope we haven't been purposely killing people. 606 00:26:25,511 --> 00:26:28,148 Can they be used safely? Yeah. 607 00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:32,289 These drugs are a boon in the medical profession. 608 00:26:32,290 --> 00:26:35,027 They're a miracle drug for people with muscle wasting. 609 00:26:35,028 --> 00:26:38,500 They are a miracle drug for burn victims, 610 00:26:38,501 --> 00:26:42,040 for cancer patients, people recovering from surgery. 611 00:26:42,041 --> 00:26:44,411 And for people with A.I.D.S. like Jeff Taylor. 612 00:26:44,412 --> 00:26:47,316 Jeff has been fighting H.I.V. for 25 years 613 00:26:47,317 --> 00:26:49,420 and he says steroids saved his life. 614 00:26:49,421 --> 00:26:52,827 Back in '92 I was down to two "T" cells 615 00:26:52,828 --> 00:26:55,933 and very sick. I'd developed P.C.P. pneumonia. 616 00:26:55,934 --> 00:26:58,270 Both my lungs collapsed. I almost didn't make it. 617 00:26:58,271 --> 00:27:00,842 I came out of a hospital weighing 125 lbs. 618 00:27:00,843 --> 00:27:04,181 So I started researching and found a clinical trial in L.A. 619 00:27:04,182 --> 00:27:06,752 They were studying Anavar, an old bodybuilding drug, 620 00:27:06,753 --> 00:27:09,357 to test how it worked for people with H.I.V. 621 00:27:09,358 --> 00:27:11,661 So I signed myself up, got a fairly high dose 622 00:27:11,662 --> 00:27:13,664 and responded amazingly. 623 00:27:13,665 --> 00:27:17,572 I gained 30 lbs in six weeks 624 00:27:17,573 --> 00:27:19,475 and I gained 300 "T" cells. 625 00:27:19,476 --> 00:27:21,546 So these drugs have cognitive powers-- 626 00:27:21,547 --> 00:27:23,082 if you're sick they'll help you; 627 00:27:23,083 --> 00:27:25,019 if you're a healthy athlete they'll kill you? 628 00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:28,526 How can you say steroids are a national public health crisis 629 00:27:28,527 --> 00:27:31,899 when you have people dropping dead at a rate you can measure by the minute 630 00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:33,801 as a result of alcohol and tobacco? 631 00:27:33,802 --> 00:27:36,106 According to the C.D.C., 632 00:27:36,107 --> 00:27:39,679 tobacco kills about 435,000 Americans every year, 633 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,352 alcohol kills about 75,000, 634 00:27:43,353 --> 00:27:46,492 and deaths from anabolic steroid abuse-- three. 635 00:27:46,493 --> 00:27:49,765 But steroids also show up in some other statistics-- 636 00:27:49,766 --> 00:27:51,768 emergency room visits. 637 00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:53,838 But it's not exactly number one on the list-- 638 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,276 that would be alcohol; or number two-- 639 00:27:56,277 --> 00:27:58,280 that's cocaine; 640 00:27:58,281 --> 00:28:00,651 or number three-- that's marijuana. 641 00:28:00,652 --> 00:28:02,989 Gotta be top 10, though, right? 642 00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:04,992 Uh, not quite. 643 00:28:04,993 --> 00:28:06,996 How about top 25? 644 00:28:06,997 --> 00:28:09,367 Top 100? Keep going. 645 00:28:09,368 --> 00:28:11,371 Try number 142. 646 00:28:11,372 --> 00:28:13,374 That's even after multivitamins. 647 00:28:13,375 --> 00:28:16,313 # yabba-dabba-doo yabba-dabba-doo, Flintstones vitamins... # 648 00:28:16,314 --> 00:28:18,316 Education is important, 649 00:28:18,317 --> 00:28:20,854 but what you have to watch out for 650 00:28:20,855 --> 00:28:23,259 is emChrisishing. 651 00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:25,797 If you look at "Reefer Madness," 652 00:28:25,798 --> 00:28:29,336 it caused you to be a stark-raving, murdering lunatic-- 653 00:28:29,337 --> 00:28:32,009 Very funny to watch because it goes so over the edge. 654 00:28:32,010 --> 00:28:35,348 The next tragedy may be that of your daughter, 655 00:28:35,349 --> 00:28:38,420 of your son, or yours. 656 00:28:40,458 --> 00:28:43,195 Physicians and sports scientists have done that 657 00:28:43,196 --> 00:28:45,400 with the best of intentions in this area-- 658 00:28:45,401 --> 00:28:47,571 "Oh, steroids are going to cause you 659 00:28:47,572 --> 00:28:51,377 to drop over dead in your tracks" and so on. 660 00:28:51,378 --> 00:28:53,949 And the athletes are looking around saying, "Jesus, 661 00:28:53,950 --> 00:28:55,986 haven't seen that many guys die." 662 00:28:55,987 --> 00:28:57,989 Are steroids killing people? 663 00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:59,993 Steroids clearly are killing people 664 00:28:59,994 --> 00:29:01,997 both in the short term and in the long term. 665 00:29:01,998 --> 00:29:05,336 Dr. Gary Wadler is an advisor to the world anti-doping agency 666 00:29:05,337 --> 00:29:08,241 and the media's go-to guy when it comes to steroids. 667 00:29:08,242 --> 00:29:10,246 We know it's been associated 668 00:29:10,247 --> 00:29:12,249 with stroke in young people 669 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:15,588 for which there was no other obvious explanation. 670 00:29:15,589 --> 00:29:18,594 We know it's been associated with heart attacks 671 00:29:18,595 --> 00:29:21,633 for which there was no other obvious explanation. 672 00:29:21,634 --> 00:29:23,302 We know it increases clotting. 673 00:29:23,303 --> 00:29:26,208 What bothers me are people like Dr. Gary Wadler 674 00:29:26,209 --> 00:29:28,779 who's a physician and going before Congress 675 00:29:28,780 --> 00:29:31,017 and saying these things, and when confronted-- 676 00:29:31,018 --> 00:29:33,021 "Please produce a single article 677 00:29:33,022 --> 00:29:36,226 that shows any of this in any scientific way," can't do it. 678 00:29:36,227 --> 00:29:39,098 Dr. Norm Fost is a professor of medical ethics 679 00:29:39,099 --> 00:29:41,903 with a research focus on performance-enhancing drugs. 680 00:29:41,904 --> 00:29:44,374 So I'm not denying that there aren't 681 00:29:44,375 --> 00:29:46,946 some serious adverse effects from anabolic steroids. 682 00:29:46,947 --> 00:29:49,617 It's just that we haven't been able to demonstrate any of them. 683 00:29:49,618 --> 00:29:51,287 Maybe that's because we don't study them. 684 00:29:51,288 --> 00:29:53,892 One of the problems with the ban on steroids 685 00:29:53,893 --> 00:29:56,229 is that it's impossible to do the kind of research 686 00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:57,665 that would answer these questions. 687 00:29:57,666 --> 00:30:00,370 Some purists would like to see those studies done. 688 00:30:00,371 --> 00:30:02,541 Well, I can assure you they never will be done. 689 00:30:02,542 --> 00:30:05,480 It would be a totally unethical study to do. 690 00:30:05,481 --> 00:30:08,218 So we have to use the information we have at hand. 691 00:30:08,219 --> 00:30:10,589 Depression, convulsions, 692 00:30:10,590 --> 00:30:13,494 anxiety, jaundice, 693 00:30:13,495 --> 00:30:16,133 myocardial infarction-- which is heart attack-- 694 00:30:16,134 --> 00:30:18,136 eczema, abscess, 695 00:30:18,137 --> 00:30:20,340 vaginal pain, vaginal discharge. 696 00:30:20,341 --> 00:30:23,913 You wanna know what I'm reading this from? What does that say? 697 00:30:23,914 --> 00:30:25,349 - "Vitamin c." - Thank you. 698 00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:28,255 I mean, look, peanuts are dangerous. You understand? 699 00:30:28,256 --> 00:30:31,127 There are people that take a peanut 700 00:30:31,128 --> 00:30:34,833 and have a peanut and they go into anaphylactic shock. 701 00:30:34,834 --> 00:30:37,672 Okay? The airway closes up. That's it. They die. 702 00:30:37,673 --> 00:30:40,310 Now does that mean that we ban peanuts 703 00:30:40,311 --> 00:30:42,848 and sue God for making them? 704 00:30:42,849 --> 00:30:44,751 - No. - Right. 705 00:30:44,752 --> 00:30:47,824 What we do is we say, "okay, peanut warnings." 706 00:30:47,825 --> 00:30:49,828 There is no safe drug. 707 00:30:49,829 --> 00:30:52,399 There is no safe drug that ever exists. 708 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,037 There's always the benefit-to-risk ratio. 709 00:30:55,038 --> 00:30:57,041 You name the drug-- "X" percent of people 710 00:30:57,042 --> 00:30:59,044 will suffer adverse effects. 711 00:30:59,045 --> 00:31:01,182 Do you feel any side effects ever? 712 00:31:01,183 --> 00:31:03,419 Yeah, I've had some side effects-- 713 00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:05,957 acne, hair growth. 714 00:31:05,958 --> 00:31:08,161 Some side effects that I've had are-- 715 00:31:08,162 --> 00:31:10,299 What do you mean by hair growth? On your head? 716 00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:12,369 No, just on my chest and my back and stuff. 717 00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:14,239 I never break out. My back doesn't break out. 718 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,243 I don't get hairy from it. 719 00:31:16,244 --> 00:31:18,213 You get a little testicular atrophy, 720 00:31:18,214 --> 00:31:20,183 but then they come back. It's normal. 721 00:31:20,184 --> 00:31:22,019 - Your balls shrank? - The balls shank. 722 00:31:22,020 --> 00:31:23,656 - Who needs 'em? - Who needs 'em? 723 00:31:23,657 --> 00:31:25,794 What about testosterone? I have some friends who say 724 00:31:25,795 --> 00:31:28,465 it is like a wonder drug. It makes them feel great. 725 00:31:28,466 --> 00:31:31,303 It makes them feel, you know, frisky 726 00:31:31,304 --> 00:31:34,042 and young and it's great for their skin. 727 00:31:34,043 --> 00:31:36,514 The negative side effects would be my lovely singing voice, 728 00:31:36,515 --> 00:31:38,683 hair like a monkey from my head to my toes, 729 00:31:38,684 --> 00:31:41,890 I mean, hair growing out places you don't even want to talk about. 730 00:31:41,891 --> 00:31:43,960 I mean, I want to stay feminine. 731 00:31:43,961 --> 00:31:45,963 And I think that's why I get so much work. 732 00:31:45,964 --> 00:31:47,967 It's because I still look like a woman 733 00:31:47,968 --> 00:31:49,838 and I still have hard muscles. 734 00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:51,607 In my experience, 735 00:31:51,608 --> 00:31:54,045 steroids are just gonna make you more of whatever you are. 736 00:31:54,046 --> 00:31:57,185 If you're a jerk and you take steroids 737 00:31:57,186 --> 00:32:00,290 - You're a super jerk, right? - An asshole. 738 00:32:00,291 --> 00:32:02,561 You've seen that, right? You go beyond. You're an asshole. 739 00:32:02,562 --> 00:32:04,298 I've never seen Roid Rage. 740 00:32:04,299 --> 00:32:07,136 I've never seen any difference in his personality 741 00:32:07,137 --> 00:32:09,807 or how he is with me, how he is with Jake. 742 00:32:09,808 --> 00:32:11,811 It hasn't done anything 743 00:32:11,812 --> 00:32:14,850 that all those after-school specials tell you that it's gonna do. 744 00:32:14,851 --> 00:32:16,687 Bryce, I gotta get bigger, man. 745 00:32:16,688 --> 00:32:19,358 - Here, this might help. - Steroids? 746 00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:21,562 What is going on with you? 747 00:32:21,563 --> 00:32:23,232 God damn it! 748 00:32:33,619 --> 00:32:35,822 While I was visiting my brother and his family 749 00:32:35,823 --> 00:32:38,493 they told me they were thinking of having another child 750 00:32:38,494 --> 00:32:42,167 but that another possible side effect of steroids was on their minds. 751 00:32:42,168 --> 00:32:43,536 If you couldn't have another kid 752 00:32:43,537 --> 00:32:45,339 would it be something that you'd regret 753 00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:46,842 because you did steroids? 754 00:32:46,843 --> 00:32:49,781 Yeah. If it was simply from that, yeah. 755 00:32:49,782 --> 00:32:52,419 I'd probably regret it. But there's a lot of things 756 00:32:52,420 --> 00:32:54,924 people regret in their lives, so I'm not, you know-- 757 00:32:54,925 --> 00:32:58,363 it's a decision I made and it's a decision I'll have to live with, 758 00:32:58,364 --> 00:33:00,333 whatever the consequences are. 759 00:33:05,778 --> 00:33:09,117 It's been 15 years since Alzado died. 760 00:33:09,118 --> 00:33:11,621 - Why did you lie to me? - I was afraid... 761 00:33:11,622 --> 00:33:13,925 Looking back at Maria Shriver's interview 762 00:33:13,926 --> 00:33:15,928 I can't help but wonder, 763 00:33:15,929 --> 00:33:18,433 why wasn't she asking the real questions like 764 00:33:18,434 --> 00:33:20,938 "is this gonna happen to my husband?" 765 00:33:20,939 --> 00:33:22,975 Did she really believe Lyle 766 00:33:22,976 --> 00:33:24,979 or was this just the beginning 767 00:33:24,980 --> 00:33:28,017 of the steroid myth? 768 00:33:28,018 --> 00:33:30,856 And even though the experts know a lot more about steroids, 769 00:33:30,857 --> 00:33:33,060 you sure wouldn't know it from watching the news. 770 00:33:33,061 --> 00:33:35,565 Tonight, one of the nation's most serious drug problems 771 00:33:35,566 --> 00:33:38,603 and it's only getting worse. It's steroids. 772 00:33:38,604 --> 00:33:40,607 Professional wrestler Chris Benoit 773 00:33:40,608 --> 00:33:43,012 killed his wife, his seven-year-old son, 774 00:33:43,013 --> 00:33:44,447 and then hung himself. 775 00:33:44,448 --> 00:33:47,320 Why did he do it? Steroids found in the house. 776 00:33:47,321 --> 00:33:49,623 Steroids cause suicidal tendencies. 777 00:33:49,624 --> 00:33:51,327 They hallucinate. They hear voices. 778 00:33:51,328 --> 00:33:53,197 Depression, paranoia. 779 00:33:53,198 --> 00:33:55,201 Steroids could be the actual cause... 780 00:33:55,202 --> 00:33:56,536 Speculation is running wild. 781 00:33:56,537 --> 00:33:58,140 Do you think these drugs could affect one's mind? 782 00:33:58,141 --> 00:33:59,342 Now we know. 783 00:33:59,343 --> 00:34:01,345 - Testosterone... - Steroids... 784 00:34:05,019 --> 00:34:06,655 Let's cut through the crap. 785 00:34:06,656 --> 00:34:09,327 This is steroids 101. 786 00:34:09,328 --> 00:34:11,397 First of all, the term "steroids" 787 00:34:11,398 --> 00:34:14,836 Is often misused to describe any performance-enhancing drug 788 00:34:14,837 --> 00:34:17,107 When in fact many of these drugs 789 00:34:17,108 --> 00:34:19,078 are not actually steroids at all. 790 00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:21,382 So what are steroids? 791 00:34:21,383 --> 00:34:23,386 Well, steroids are synthetic versions 792 00:34:23,387 --> 00:34:26,091 of hormones that your body produces naturally, 793 00:34:26,092 --> 00:34:28,095 like cortisone-- that's a steroid. 794 00:34:28,096 --> 00:34:30,666 It signals the body to break down inflammation. 795 00:34:30,667 --> 00:34:32,669 Birth control pills are steroids too 796 00:34:32,670 --> 00:34:34,506 Made from the female sex hormones 797 00:34:34,507 --> 00:34:36,342 estrogen and progesterone. 798 00:34:36,343 --> 00:34:38,881 But the steroids that get all the negative attention 799 00:34:38,882 --> 00:34:40,551 are anabolic steroids, 800 00:34:40,552 --> 00:34:42,955 Made from the male sex hormone testosterone 801 00:34:42,956 --> 00:34:45,693 which tells the body to increase muscle size and strength 802 00:34:45,694 --> 00:34:47,764 and helps to recover from workouts faster. 803 00:34:47,765 --> 00:34:50,937 Like any drug, anabolic steroids do have side effects. 804 00:34:50,938 --> 00:34:53,942 And if you abuse them the side effects will be worse. 805 00:34:53,943 --> 00:34:56,079 For men, they can cause acne, 806 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,116 hair growth, raised cholesterol, 807 00:34:58,117 --> 00:35:00,754 shrink your testicles and lower your sperm count, 808 00:35:00,755 --> 00:35:02,724 which could even make you sterile. 809 00:35:02,725 --> 00:35:04,394 But all of these side effects 810 00:35:04,395 --> 00:35:06,397 are reversible when you go off the drugs. 811 00:35:06,398 --> 00:35:08,668 Otherwise, steroids don't cause baldness, 812 00:35:08,669 --> 00:35:10,405 but if it runs in your family 813 00:35:10,406 --> 00:35:12,141 they might make you go bald faster. 814 00:35:12,142 --> 00:35:14,346 And they can also cause gynecomastia, 815 00:35:14,347 --> 00:35:16,483 or what the gym rats call "bitch tits." 816 00:35:16,484 --> 00:35:19,221 For women, in addition to acne and hair growth, 817 00:35:19,222 --> 00:35:22,160 steroids can cause a deepened voice, menstrual problems 818 00:35:22,161 --> 00:35:24,163 and can enlarge the clitoris. 819 00:35:24,164 --> 00:35:26,167 And some of these are not reversible. 820 00:35:26,168 --> 00:35:28,171 And for kids, some experts think 821 00:35:28,172 --> 00:35:31,176 steroids can stunt growth by closing growth plates prematurely. 822 00:35:31,177 --> 00:35:33,247 But that's actually never been proven. 823 00:35:33,248 --> 00:35:36,887 There's also no proof that steroids cause cancer, kidney failure, 824 00:35:36,888 --> 00:35:38,858 and only oral steroids in high dosages 825 00:35:38,859 --> 00:35:40,894 can cause liver problems. 826 00:35:40,895 --> 00:35:43,667 And it's true that steroids can be one of 1000 risk factors 827 00:35:43,668 --> 00:35:46,438 that could lead to heart disease, but then again 828 00:35:46,439 --> 00:35:49,209 low testosterone is another big risk factor. 829 00:35:49,210 --> 00:35:52,082 And Roid Rage? Steroids can increase aggression, 830 00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:55,220 but that only happens in about 5% of the population. 831 00:35:55,221 --> 00:35:58,460 And even then, they can't make you psychotic. 832 00:35:58,461 --> 00:36:00,898 And as for the long-term side effects, 833 00:36:00,899 --> 00:36:03,903 we don't know. No one's ever done those studies. 834 00:36:03,904 --> 00:36:07,176 At what point do we say that a behavior is such 835 00:36:07,177 --> 00:36:10,449 that people just shouldn't be allowed to engage in it? 836 00:36:10,450 --> 00:36:12,886 I mean, we do allow people 837 00:36:12,887 --> 00:36:15,725 to do lots of things that can hurt themselves. 838 00:36:15,726 --> 00:36:18,897 America's new junkies-- plastic surgery addicts. 839 00:36:18,898 --> 00:36:20,901 I've had my eyes done, 840 00:36:20,902 --> 00:36:23,873 rhinoplasty, chin cleft, 841 00:36:23,874 --> 00:36:27,213 pectoral implants, bicep implants, 842 00:36:27,214 --> 00:36:29,651 buttock augmentation. 843 00:36:29,652 --> 00:36:32,022 And those are the ones I can remember right offhand. 844 00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:34,626 Common sense tells you this is dangerous and foolish. 845 00:36:34,627 --> 00:36:37,464 You wouldn't risk your neck in a trick like this. 846 00:36:37,465 --> 00:36:40,002 Common sense tells us that being shot out of a cannon 847 00:36:40,003 --> 00:36:42,441 Is dangerous business. Handling dynamite-- 848 00:36:42,442 --> 00:36:44,010 This too looks dangerous. 849 00:36:44,011 --> 00:36:46,648 Whether it's bungee jumping 850 00:36:46,649 --> 00:36:49,486 or skydiving 851 00:36:49,487 --> 00:36:51,490 or black-diamond skiing-- 852 00:36:51,491 --> 00:36:54,329 All of them are fun to do 853 00:36:54,330 --> 00:36:57,702 But would subject one to tremendous risks 854 00:36:57,703 --> 00:36:59,672 with no real necessity. 855 00:36:59,673 --> 00:37:03,612 And so if we allow all of those other risks, 856 00:37:03,613 --> 00:37:06,150 why is it that we're taking this position 857 00:37:06,151 --> 00:37:08,154 with respect to anabolic steroids? 858 00:37:08,155 --> 00:37:11,961 And it's a fair start. 859 00:37:11,962 --> 00:37:14,599 1988, Seoul, Korea. 860 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,004 A Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson 861 00:37:17,005 --> 00:37:19,008 defeated his archrival Carl Lewis 862 00:37:19,009 --> 00:37:20,744 in the 100-meter sprint 863 00:37:20,745 --> 00:37:22,814 to become the fastest man in history. 864 00:37:22,815 --> 00:37:24,685 It sure got our spirit up. 865 00:37:24,686 --> 00:37:26,755 Just great. Hey, Benny! 866 00:37:26,756 --> 00:37:28,925 But 24 hours later 867 00:37:28,926 --> 00:37:30,963 he tested positive for steroids 868 00:37:30,964 --> 00:37:34,336 and they gave the gold medal to our guy, Carl Lewis. 869 00:37:34,337 --> 00:37:37,107 There was an international uproar 870 00:37:37,108 --> 00:37:40,347 over the idea that this Canadian sprinter 871 00:37:40,348 --> 00:37:43,419 had gotten an advantage based on his use 872 00:37:43,420 --> 00:37:46,625 of anabolic steroids for its performance effect. 873 00:37:46,626 --> 00:37:49,296 And Congress responded by holding some hearings. 874 00:37:49,297 --> 00:37:51,600 Ben Johnson would not have been in the finals. 875 00:37:51,601 --> 00:37:54,072 He probably would not have been on the Olympic team 876 00:37:54,073 --> 00:37:55,975 had he not taken steroids. 877 00:37:55,976 --> 00:37:58,747 Congress wanted to pass a law that would control steroids 878 00:37:58,748 --> 00:38:00,851 the same way as drugs like cocaine and heroin 879 00:38:00,852 --> 00:38:03,222 and they called experts from the D.E.A., 880 00:38:03,223 --> 00:38:06,462 the F.D.A. and the American Medical Association. 881 00:38:06,463 --> 00:38:09,266 But they all testified that steroids should not be treated 882 00:38:09,267 --> 00:38:12,506 like illicit drugs. So Congress disregarded their experts 883 00:38:12,507 --> 00:38:16,513 and in 1990 they passed the Anabolic Steroid Control Act, 884 00:38:16,514 --> 00:38:19,886 turning non-medical users into federal drug criminals. 885 00:38:19,887 --> 00:38:23,058 This wasn't so much about health effects. 886 00:38:23,059 --> 00:38:27,066 It was really on what these things do that's good 887 00:38:27,067 --> 00:38:29,570 in the sense that they build muscle, 888 00:38:29,571 --> 00:38:32,509 they improve the way that people can perform. 889 00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:35,180 And that in a sports context 890 00:38:35,181 --> 00:38:37,251 was seen as the ultimate evil. 891 00:38:37,252 --> 00:38:39,989 If we took a pie chart of steroid use 892 00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:43,295 and we looked at what percentage of that pie 893 00:38:43,296 --> 00:38:45,833 is comprised of athletes 894 00:38:45,834 --> 00:38:48,739 it would be a very very small slice of that pie. 895 00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:51,510 The overwhelming majority of the pie 896 00:38:51,511 --> 00:38:55,017 is comprised of the recreational gym rat 897 00:38:55,018 --> 00:38:57,588 who's doing it purely for cosmetic reasons. 898 00:38:57,589 --> 00:39:00,193 The irony is that we've addressed 899 00:39:00,194 --> 00:39:02,197 a sports cheating issue 900 00:39:02,198 --> 00:39:04,301 by creating a law 901 00:39:04,302 --> 00:39:06,872 that affects all the folks who aren't cheating in sports. 902 00:39:06,873 --> 00:39:09,410 One look at Gregory Valentino's arms 903 00:39:09,411 --> 00:39:11,414 and you know something's going on. 904 00:39:11,415 --> 00:39:13,918 The 40-year-old is charged with criminal possession 905 00:39:13,919 --> 00:39:16,389 of anabolic steroids with intent to sell. 906 00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:18,494 Some people may call Gregg Valentino 907 00:39:18,495 --> 00:39:20,630 a freak and a felon. I call him a neighbor. 908 00:39:20,631 --> 00:39:22,901 He lives down the block from my grandma. 909 00:39:22,902 --> 00:39:25,339 He also happens to have the biggest biceps in the world. 910 00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:27,009 Holy crap. 911 00:39:27,010 --> 00:39:28,612 Do you have difficulty with just sort of 912 00:39:28,613 --> 00:39:30,983 the regular things in life, like making a sandwich? 913 00:39:30,984 --> 00:39:33,621 No. No no. 914 00:39:33,622 --> 00:39:35,258 I can hit a 90-mile-an-hour fastball. 915 00:39:35,259 --> 00:39:36,927 Any body wants to challenge me-- let's do it. 916 00:39:36,928 --> 00:39:38,296 I'll show you. Watch this. 917 00:39:38,297 --> 00:39:40,934 Oh! Oh! Oh! 918 00:39:40,935 --> 00:39:42,938 Come on, Gregg. 919 00:39:42,939 --> 00:39:44,607 Oof! 920 00:39:44,608 --> 00:39:47,613 I told you I'm no Barry Bonds. 921 00:39:47,614 --> 00:39:50,886 I'm a red-meat man. I eat a lot of red meat. 922 00:39:50,887 --> 00:39:53,056 Why do you think people in America are so uptight 923 00:39:53,057 --> 00:39:55,461 About steroids and steroid users? 924 00:39:55,462 --> 00:39:58,300 Because they fear-- 925 00:39:58,301 --> 00:40:01,673 they fear what they don't know. 926 00:40:01,674 --> 00:40:04,444 You know? 927 00:40:04,445 --> 00:40:07,049 That's ugly. Who the hell would want to look like that? 928 00:40:07,050 --> 00:40:08,551 I don't want to look like that. 929 00:40:08,552 --> 00:40:10,455 Why did you want to look like that then? 930 00:40:10,456 --> 00:40:12,826 Um, I mean, I like being big. 931 00:40:12,827 --> 00:40:14,729 I had small-man complex, you know. 932 00:40:14,730 --> 00:40:16,633 I'd be like, "I don't want to be little." 933 00:40:16,634 --> 00:40:19,505 I wanted to be taller. I couldn't grow taller, so I grew wider. 934 00:40:19,506 --> 00:40:22,177 Personally I think in the picture that you showed me-- 935 00:40:22,178 --> 00:40:24,381 - Oh, I look better. - Your arms look a lot better there 936 00:40:24,382 --> 00:40:28,355 - than they look now, right? Wouldn't you agree? - Without a doubt. 937 00:40:28,356 --> 00:40:30,692 I would rather look like that. Do you think girls 938 00:40:30,693 --> 00:40:32,662 look at me and go, "oh My God, that's hot"? 939 00:40:32,663 --> 00:40:34,900 They like... "that's --ing gross." 940 00:40:34,901 --> 00:40:38,106 I walk into a club and the hottest girl could be there with her boyfriend 941 00:40:38,107 --> 00:40:40,277 and her boyfriend will see me 942 00:40:40,278 --> 00:40:42,313 and mush her in the face to get over to me 943 00:40:42,314 --> 00:40:44,617 just to say to me, like, "dude, what the --?" 944 00:40:44,618 --> 00:40:46,888 You're getting attention from the guys, not from the girl. 945 00:40:46,889 --> 00:40:49,493 I don't give a shit. It's attention. I can't explain it to you. 946 00:40:49,494 --> 00:40:51,964 It's like a mindset. Does that make sense or no? 947 00:40:51,965 --> 00:40:53,968 But I tell you what-- when I'm done 948 00:40:53,969 --> 00:40:56,606 my biceps are humongous, humongous. 949 00:40:56,607 --> 00:40:58,143 Like that-- bam! 950 00:40:58,144 --> 00:41:00,146 For myself, I'm kind of on the fence. 951 00:41:00,147 --> 00:41:02,150 I have two brothers. They're both taking steroids 952 00:41:02,151 --> 00:41:03,686 right as we speak right now. 953 00:41:03,687 --> 00:41:05,690 I don't know if I want people 954 00:41:05,691 --> 00:41:07,694 to think I'm not cheating 955 00:41:07,695 --> 00:41:09,630 or to look at me and say, 956 00:41:09,631 --> 00:41:12,703 "Wow, you know, you really have a great build." 957 00:41:12,704 --> 00:41:15,741 But do you think I should take steroids to get there? 958 00:41:15,742 --> 00:41:19,114 I think steroids are as American as apple pie. 959 00:41:19,115 --> 00:41:20,851 We live in a society today that-- 960 00:41:20,852 --> 00:41:23,356 You got M.T.V. And reality shows, 961 00:41:23,357 --> 00:41:25,793 Madonna's making out with Britney Spears, 962 00:41:25,794 --> 00:41:28,665 Rap music and all that shit, and you're worried about steroids? 963 00:41:28,666 --> 00:41:31,136 Kids are like, "-- you, cop. -- you, man," 964 00:41:31,137 --> 00:41:34,342 Playing video games like grand theft auto where you're killing cops. 965 00:41:34,343 --> 00:41:37,949 That's worse influence in my opinion than steroids will ever be, 966 00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:39,952 than Barry Bonds hitting home runs. 967 00:41:39,953 --> 00:41:42,891 There's a big difference between a kid taking steroids 968 00:41:42,892 --> 00:41:45,396 who's only had hair on his dick a couple of years, 969 00:41:45,397 --> 00:41:48,468 as opposed to a grown man who's looking to perform better 970 00:41:48,469 --> 00:41:50,738 At a better level in sports. 971 00:41:50,739 --> 00:41:52,742 And where is Schwarzenegger in all this? 972 00:41:52,743 --> 00:41:54,746 I mean, he is the poster boy for steroids. 973 00:41:54,747 --> 00:41:57,351 He's the poster boy for "hey, look, look at me, look what I did. 974 00:41:57,352 --> 00:41:59,388 I came, I conquered, I kicked ass." 975 00:41:59,389 --> 00:42:02,928 That autobiography says he was doing it when he was 15-16. 976 00:42:02,929 --> 00:42:07,269 Hey, he won Mr. Universe at 19 years old-- 19. 977 00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:09,573 Did you ever see what he looked like when he was 19? 978 00:42:09,574 --> 00:42:11,811 Do you think it was god-given genetics or do you think 979 00:42:11,812 --> 00:42:13,715 that maybe he took the performance enhancers? 980 00:42:13,716 --> 00:42:15,718 A lot of people idolize these guys, 981 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,857 whether it's a rock star, a bodybuilder, a movie star, whoever, 982 00:42:18,858 --> 00:42:21,428 and all of a sudden you get to meet them 983 00:42:21,429 --> 00:42:23,232 and, man, is it a let-down. 984 00:42:23,233 --> 00:42:27,206 Because they're never ever what they appear to be. 985 00:42:27,207 --> 00:42:29,210 The guy you see in public like this 986 00:42:29,211 --> 00:42:32,548 has got the middle finger under the table going like this. 987 00:42:32,549 --> 00:42:34,920 It's never "what you see is what you get." 988 00:42:34,921 --> 00:42:37,157 It's "what you see is what they want you to see." 989 00:42:37,158 --> 00:42:39,495 Everybody idolized Schwarzenegger growing up. 990 00:42:39,496 --> 00:42:41,999 Everybody thought, "man, I wanna lift weights 991 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,003 and life a pure life like Arnold. 992 00:42:44,004 --> 00:42:46,942 And I'm gonna eat all my vegetables and take my protein shakes. 993 00:42:46,943 --> 00:42:49,948 Maybe I'll move out to California, train at Gold's Gym. 994 00:42:49,949 --> 00:42:52,185 And I'm gonna get really big. I'm gonna win contests. 995 00:42:52,186 --> 00:42:53,921 I'm gonna be a movie star too." 996 00:42:53,922 --> 00:42:55,558 Please welcome a man 997 00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:59,030 whose story embodies the American dream. 998 00:42:59,031 --> 00:43:01,034 One thing I learned about America is 999 00:43:01,035 --> 00:43:04,140 that if you work hard and if you play by the rules 1000 00:43:04,141 --> 00:43:06,511 this country is truly open to you. 1001 00:43:06,512 --> 00:43:09,083 You can achieve anything. 1002 00:43:09,084 --> 00:43:11,921 Dude, that is-- 1003 00:43:11,922 --> 00:43:14,525 That is a pipe dream. 1004 00:43:14,526 --> 00:43:16,529 That is a pipe dream, okay? 1005 00:43:16,530 --> 00:43:18,533 To get where Arnold got in life 1006 00:43:18,534 --> 00:43:20,938 you have to be willing to step on a few fingers 1007 00:43:20,939 --> 00:43:23,643 and step on a few friends and fuck a few people over. 1008 00:43:23,644 --> 00:43:25,412 You don't get to that level without that. 1009 00:43:25,413 --> 00:43:27,249 In this world you're either the barracuda 1010 00:43:27,250 --> 00:43:29,754 or you're that little minnow swimming around like this. 1011 00:43:29,755 --> 00:43:31,323 And Arnold's the barracuda. 1012 00:43:31,324 --> 00:43:33,427 And we'll all exercise a little bit together 1013 00:43:33,428 --> 00:43:36,600 with the dumbbells. Come on now, let's do some presses here. 1014 00:43:36,601 --> 00:43:38,837 In the same year that George Bush Sr. signed 1015 00:43:38,838 --> 00:43:41,742 the Steroid Control Act he also made Arnold Schwarzenegger 1016 00:43:41,743 --> 00:43:44,614 the chairman of the President's Council on Physical Fitness. 1017 00:43:44,615 --> 00:43:46,484 So I'm confused. 1018 00:43:46,485 --> 00:43:49,022 Was the President saying that a former steroid user 1019 00:43:49,023 --> 00:43:50,725 could still be a role model for kids? 1020 00:43:50,726 --> 00:43:52,062 - Are you gonna exercise? - Yeah! 1021 00:43:52,063 --> 00:43:53,631 We're gonna pump up muscle! 1022 00:43:53,632 --> 00:43:56,035 Enter Steve Rogers, 1023 00:43:56,036 --> 00:43:58,139 Too puny to be accepted by the army, 1024 00:43:58,140 --> 00:44:01,111 but willing to risk death for his country. 1025 00:44:01,112 --> 00:44:03,382 He's changing right before our eyes! 1026 00:44:03,383 --> 00:44:05,386 Suddenly it is over 1027 00:44:05,387 --> 00:44:07,389 and America has a new champion. 1028 00:44:07,390 --> 00:44:10,495 Why do you think in America superheroes are so important? 1029 00:44:10,496 --> 00:44:12,499 People need heroes, 1030 00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:15,204 Whether in real life or in fiction, 1031 00:44:15,205 --> 00:44:17,742 because they need somebody to inspire them, 1032 00:44:17,743 --> 00:44:19,712 something to aim for, 1033 00:44:19,713 --> 00:44:22,017 somebody to try to be like. 1034 00:44:22,018 --> 00:44:25,255 I think any boy would want 1035 00:44:25,256 --> 00:44:27,626 to be built like Arnold Schwarzenegger. 1036 00:44:27,627 --> 00:44:30,899 Did you ever want to be big a muscular like that? 1037 00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:33,270 I wanted to be a little-- when I'd go to the beach 1038 00:44:33,271 --> 00:44:36,175 I used to wish that my arms were a little stronger. 1039 00:44:36,176 --> 00:44:38,881 I looked more like the 98-lb weakling. 1040 00:44:38,882 --> 00:44:41,285 Did that ever inspire you, that Charles Atlas comic strip? 1041 00:44:41,286 --> 00:44:44,223 - Did that inspire some of your characters? - It inspired everybody. 1042 00:44:44,224 --> 00:44:46,494 Let me teach you how to become strong. 1043 00:44:53,809 --> 00:44:56,412 When you're young you get impressions 1044 00:44:56,413 --> 00:44:59,218 That pretty much last you all your life. 1045 00:44:59,219 --> 00:45:01,622 If you step up and show up 1046 00:45:01,623 --> 00:45:03,726 and play hard, you're gonna play. 1047 00:45:03,727 --> 00:45:05,429 All right, get a break. 1048 00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:07,432 Rock 'n' roll, fellas! 1049 00:45:07,433 --> 00:45:09,169 Smelly's now a coach 1050 00:45:09,170 --> 00:45:11,173 for the local high-school football team. 1051 00:45:11,174 --> 00:45:13,945 Kind of like Arnold, he just wants to give back to the kids. 1052 00:45:13,946 --> 00:45:16,282 Going to school was pretty painful for me. 1053 00:45:16,283 --> 00:45:19,054 Oftentimes I can find the kid who is like me 1054 00:45:19,055 --> 00:45:21,058 and maybe doesn't have the best confidence 1055 00:45:21,059 --> 00:45:22,694 and show him how to lift weights 1056 00:45:22,695 --> 00:45:24,296 and build him up physically and mentally. 1057 00:45:26,535 --> 00:45:28,705 He's the kind of guy 1058 00:45:28,706 --> 00:45:31,443 who would get in your life and slowly turn it around. 1059 00:45:31,444 --> 00:45:33,781 He keeps me going. He keeps me motivated about something. 1060 00:45:33,782 --> 00:45:35,751 When he works with those high school kids 1061 00:45:35,752 --> 00:45:38,689 that's his passion. Not a lot of kids 1062 00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:41,094 Have a strong male figure in their life. 1063 00:45:43,534 --> 00:45:46,371 I mean, a lot of people-- they're usually very selfish, 1064 00:45:46,372 --> 00:45:48,708 but he's not. I've never really met anyone that's like that. 1065 00:45:52,683 --> 00:45:54,285 There's a gym in Columbus, Ohio, 1066 00:45:54,286 --> 00:45:56,689 Where the strongest guys in the world train. 1067 00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:58,860 It's called West Side Barbell. 1068 00:45:58,861 --> 00:46:02,300 And this is where Smelly learned from his role model, Louie Simmons. 1069 00:46:02,301 --> 00:46:04,571 I've got a philosophy like many-- when you go to war 1070 00:46:04,572 --> 00:46:07,476 you go to kill. You don't go to get killed. 1071 00:46:07,477 --> 00:46:09,079 There's nobody in this place 1072 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,049 that's not trying to be the best athlete in the world. 1073 00:46:11,050 --> 00:46:15,190 Everybody here is trying to achieve an elite level of success. 1074 00:46:15,191 --> 00:46:17,261 Pretty much as you're a kid you always want to be the strongest. 1075 00:46:17,262 --> 00:46:19,264 I always wanted to be the strongest guy. 1076 00:46:19,265 --> 00:46:21,702 And I still want to be that, you know. 1077 00:46:24,141 --> 00:46:26,745 In 1959 my father showed me a book. 1078 00:46:26,746 --> 00:46:28,915 It was about the Russians taking testosterone. 1079 00:46:28,916 --> 00:46:30,819 So I said, "what the hell? 1080 00:46:30,820 --> 00:46:33,724 First chance I got, I'm gonna do some of this." and so I did. 1081 00:46:33,725 --> 00:46:36,563 I've actually been on anabolic steroids for 36 years. 1082 00:46:36,564 --> 00:46:39,168 Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt! 1083 00:46:39,169 --> 00:46:40,036 Up up up up up! 1084 00:46:42,441 --> 00:46:44,912 Is it something I should be morally battling 1085 00:46:44,913 --> 00:46:46,581 or should I be fine with doing it? 1086 00:46:46,582 --> 00:46:48,585 Your morals are your morals, not mine. 1087 00:46:48,586 --> 00:46:51,790 Who am I to judge you? And who are you to judge me? 1088 00:46:51,791 --> 00:46:54,529 You want to be strong or you want to be weak? 1089 00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:56,165 But you can't be strong without doing steroids? 1090 00:46:56,166 --> 00:46:57,768 You can't be as strong as possible. 1091 00:46:57,769 --> 00:47:00,474 If you want to reach the top you're gonna have to do it. 1092 00:47:00,475 --> 00:47:03,345 Everybody thinks anabolic steroids is the easy way out. 1093 00:47:03,346 --> 00:47:05,649 The people that train with anabolic steroids 1094 00:47:05,650 --> 00:47:07,487 train way harder than people that don't. 1095 00:47:07,488 --> 00:47:09,456 Regardless of what people think of Barry Bonds, 1096 00:47:09,457 --> 00:47:11,527 you can't take a bottle of testosterone, 1097 00:47:11,528 --> 00:47:13,163 put on Barry's baseball uniform 1098 00:47:13,164 --> 00:47:15,400 and make him hit 700 home runs. 1099 00:47:15,401 --> 00:47:18,306 Barry's got to go out, train and hit the 700 home runs. 1100 00:47:18,307 --> 00:47:20,309 But what if the scientists came up 1101 00:47:20,310 --> 00:47:22,480 with something better than anabolic steroids? 1102 00:47:22,481 --> 00:47:25,318 You see cows, you see immense, powerful cows, 1103 00:47:25,319 --> 00:47:28,057 And they basically have changed their genes. 1104 00:47:28,058 --> 00:47:31,062 If they can change your genes, would that be illegal? 1105 00:47:31,063 --> 00:47:33,767 What would they do then? Just ban sports in general? 1106 00:47:33,768 --> 00:47:35,771 Oh My Lord. 1107 00:47:39,179 --> 00:47:42,784 When people see these, is the first question 1108 00:47:42,785 --> 00:47:44,788 "how many hormones do you pump into them?" 1109 00:47:44,789 --> 00:47:46,591 Well, it's two comments. One would be, 1110 00:47:46,592 --> 00:47:49,162 "oh my gosh, what did you do to that thing?" 1111 00:47:49,163 --> 00:47:51,333 And secondly, "it looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger." 1112 00:47:51,334 --> 00:47:53,337 This is a Belgian Blue Bull-- 1113 00:47:55,909 --> 00:47:59,982 2600 lbs, all muscle, all natural. 1114 00:47:59,983 --> 00:48:02,486 So tell me again, you're all natural? 1115 00:48:02,487 --> 00:48:04,457 You're not taking anything? 1116 00:48:07,330 --> 00:48:09,299 I think you're ready for Congress. 1117 00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:11,170 He has a genetic mutation 1118 00:48:11,171 --> 00:48:13,440 that allows him to grow double muscle. 1119 00:48:13,441 --> 00:48:15,210 And scientists have figured out 1120 00:48:15,211 --> 00:48:17,514 how to genetically alter humans the same way. 1121 00:48:17,515 --> 00:48:19,852 Dr. Lee Sweeney is using this technology 1122 00:48:19,853 --> 00:48:21,722 to try to cure muscular dystrophy. 1123 00:48:21,723 --> 00:48:24,193 It's obviously going to become more and more evident 1124 00:48:24,194 --> 00:48:26,197 that what we call talent 1125 00:48:26,198 --> 00:48:28,935 is really genetic variation. 1126 00:48:28,936 --> 00:48:31,406 There's genetic enhancement available that might be able 1127 00:48:31,407 --> 00:48:34,212 to give you what nature didn't give you. 1128 00:48:34,213 --> 00:48:37,718 Trying to figure out how to do it in the safest way 1129 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,755 Is something that hasn't been worked out. 1130 00:48:39,756 --> 00:48:41,759 If you find out that it's safe, 1131 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,996 would you be somebody who would say, "hey--"? 1132 00:48:43,997 --> 00:48:45,332 Yeah, I would be first in line. 1133 00:48:45,333 --> 00:48:46,834 'Cause it seems like this is 1134 00:48:46,835 --> 00:48:49,640 the future of sports-- gene doping. 1135 00:48:49,641 --> 00:48:51,677 Gene doping, yeah. I wouldn't do it. 1136 00:48:53,047 --> 00:48:55,785 Will gene doping ruin sports in America? 1137 00:48:55,786 --> 00:48:57,588 I don't think so. I mean, I think 1138 00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:59,592 any time there's a new technology 1139 00:48:59,593 --> 00:49:02,229 everyone says, "okay, we have to stand back 1140 00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:05,135 and think about what this is really gonna mean to society." 1141 00:49:05,136 --> 00:49:06,805 And I think that's the debate 1142 00:49:06,806 --> 00:49:08,709 we will come to in the coming decades. 1143 00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:11,680 Good sportsmanship-- you know what that means? 1144 00:49:11,681 --> 00:49:14,051 Play fair. 1145 00:49:14,052 --> 00:49:16,356 When I was a kid cheating was pretty clear-cut, 1146 00:49:16,357 --> 00:49:18,927 like when the million dollar man hired the referee's 1147 00:49:18,928 --> 00:49:21,064 evil twin brother to cheat the Hulkster out of his title. 1148 00:49:21,065 --> 00:49:23,369 Is that Dave Hebner or is that Dave Hebner? 1149 00:49:23,370 --> 00:49:26,370 You know, cheating in other sports wasn't all that different. 1150 00:49:26,871 --> 00:49:27,871 Remember when Joe Necro 1151 00:49:26,867 --> 00:49:30,072 was hot-scuffing the ball with an emery board? 1152 00:49:30,073 --> 00:49:31,908 Something came out of his pocket. 1153 00:49:31,909 --> 00:49:34,313 Chris: And what about when the Patriots were playing the Dolphins 1154 00:49:34,314 --> 00:49:36,550 And they hired an ex-con to clear 1155 00:49:36,551 --> 00:49:38,588 a spot in the snow for the field-goal kicker? 1156 00:49:38,589 --> 00:49:40,625 You can't do that. 1157 00:49:40,626 --> 00:49:42,361 I think it's the most unfair thing 1158 00:49:42,362 --> 00:49:43,930 that I've ever been associated in. 1159 00:49:43,931 --> 00:49:46,736 Or like when Rosie Ruiz won the Boston Marathon. 1160 00:49:46,737 --> 00:49:49,908 The mystery woman winner. We missed her at all our checkpoints. 1161 00:49:49,909 --> 00:49:52,914 Why take steroids when you can take a bus? 1162 00:49:52,915 --> 00:49:54,583 And who can forget when Tonya Harding 1163 00:49:54,584 --> 00:49:58,090 hired a goon to take out Nancy Kerrigan's knee? 1164 00:49:58,091 --> 00:50:00,094 Why? Why? 1165 00:50:00,095 --> 00:50:02,231 I guess if you can't beat 'em, 1166 00:50:02,232 --> 00:50:04,201 beat 'em with a lead pipe. 1167 00:50:04,202 --> 00:50:07,040 But somehow steroids seem kind of different. 1168 00:50:07,041 --> 00:50:09,611 I thought in undergraduate school and in college 1169 00:50:09,612 --> 00:50:11,247 I was a pretty good athlete. 1170 00:50:11,248 --> 00:50:14,020 But I find myself angry, 1171 00:50:14,021 --> 00:50:16,925 angry in my gut 1172 00:50:16,926 --> 00:50:20,565 because these are the same guys that would have taken me out, 1173 00:50:20,566 --> 00:50:22,969 taken me out not because they had 1174 00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:25,841 more god-given natural talent than me 1175 00:50:25,842 --> 00:50:29,749 but because they enhanced with artificial means. 1176 00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:32,286 If using steroids is cheating, 1177 00:50:32,287 --> 00:50:35,191 seems like a whole bunch of other stuff should be cheating too. 1178 00:50:35,192 --> 00:50:38,331 Take Tiger Woods, for example. He had Lasik eye surgery 1179 00:50:38,332 --> 00:50:41,704 and now his vision is 20/15. That's better than perfect. 1180 00:50:41,705 --> 00:50:44,308 My eyes are stable. My game's a lot better. 1181 00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:46,146 I felt pretty good coming in. 1182 00:50:46,147 --> 00:50:48,315 In a game that relies so much on depth perception, 1183 00:50:48,316 --> 00:50:51,955 wouldn't superhuman vision be a performance enhancement? 1184 00:50:51,956 --> 00:50:53,726 Then there's cortisone shots. 1185 00:50:53,727 --> 00:50:55,997 They helped Curt Schilling win the World Series. 1186 00:50:55,998 --> 00:50:58,033 And those are steroids too. 1187 00:50:58,034 --> 00:51:02,074 Truth is, corticosteroids can have worse side effects than anabolic steroids, 1188 00:51:02,075 --> 00:51:04,412 but they're used in sports every day. 1189 00:51:04,413 --> 00:51:06,315 He had a 20-minute cortisone shot 1190 00:51:06,316 --> 00:51:08,921 after Monday's match after his back tightened up. 1191 00:51:08,922 --> 00:51:10,857 Here's an even more confusing example-- 1192 00:51:10,858 --> 00:51:12,527 Floyd Landis claims 1193 00:51:12,528 --> 00:51:14,697 that he did not take steroids to win the Tour De France. 1194 00:51:14,698 --> 00:51:16,935 Truth is, I didn't use testosterone 1195 00:51:16,936 --> 00:51:18,772 like I'm accused of doing. I didn't cheat. 1196 00:51:18,773 --> 00:51:20,976 I didn't do anything outside of the rules. 1197 00:51:20,977 --> 00:51:24,349 I won the Tour clean and I deserved to win. 1198 00:51:24,350 --> 00:51:25,918 I'm proud of it and I always will be. 1199 00:51:25,919 --> 00:51:29,023 But he did sleep in his own altitude chamber. 1200 00:51:29,024 --> 00:51:31,027 I got my altitude chamber 1201 00:51:31,028 --> 00:51:33,132 out by the garage these days. 1202 00:51:33,133 --> 00:51:35,503 So you made this? 1203 00:51:35,504 --> 00:51:37,405 Yeah, it's not actually that hard to make. 1204 00:51:37,407 --> 00:51:39,978 I didn't make the pipe. I got the pipe from some construction site. 1205 00:51:39,979 --> 00:51:41,514 They were putting in a water main. 1206 00:51:41,515 --> 00:51:43,150 Is the result pretty good? 1207 00:51:43,151 --> 00:51:44,485 For me it makes a difference, yeah. 1208 00:51:44,486 --> 00:51:46,523 And how long do you stay in here for? 1209 00:51:46,524 --> 00:51:49,328 Just sleep in there all night. I don't know, six or seven hours. 1210 00:51:49,329 --> 00:51:51,331 Is your wife like, "what are you doing?" 1211 00:51:51,332 --> 00:51:53,335 "I'm gonna sleep in the chamber." 1212 00:51:53,336 --> 00:51:54,805 She hates it. 1213 00:51:54,806 --> 00:51:56,474 So you just climb in there? 1214 00:51:56,475 --> 00:51:58,011 Yeah, you want to try it out? 1215 00:51:58,012 --> 00:52:00,248 You won't have a monitor in there, but I have it set 1216 00:52:00,249 --> 00:52:01,551 to, like, about 13,000'. 1217 00:52:04,557 --> 00:52:06,860 See, sleeping in an altitude chamber 1218 00:52:06,861 --> 00:52:08,864 produces a lot more red blood cells, 1219 00:52:08,865 --> 00:52:10,868 which means more oxygen in your system, 1220 00:52:10,869 --> 00:52:14,307 which means more endurance for a cyclist or a long-distance runner. 1221 00:52:14,308 --> 00:52:17,179 There are four ways to increase your red blood cell count. 1222 00:52:17,180 --> 00:52:20,519 You can sleep in an altitude chamber like Floyd 1223 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,257 or you can just train at the U.S. Olympic training center 1224 00:52:23,258 --> 00:52:25,294 at 6,000' in Colorado. 1225 00:52:25,295 --> 00:52:27,164 Then there's blood doping. 1226 00:52:27,165 --> 00:52:29,702 That's when you draw your own blood a month before the big race, 1227 00:52:29,703 --> 00:52:31,839 then re-inject it the night before. 1228 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,244 Finally, there's a drug called E.P.O. 1229 00:52:34,245 --> 00:52:36,114 which simply tells your body 1230 00:52:36,115 --> 00:52:37,984 to produce more red blood cells. 1231 00:52:37,985 --> 00:52:40,321 So that's four ways to do the exact same thing, 1232 00:52:40,322 --> 00:52:43,995 but two are allowed and two are cheating. 1233 00:52:43,996 --> 00:52:46,266 You done yet? 1234 00:52:49,773 --> 00:52:52,745 Hey. That's kind of weird. 1235 00:52:52,746 --> 00:52:55,316 No, it's nice, man. Once you get used to it it's nice sleeping in there. 1236 00:52:55,317 --> 00:52:57,420 What's heartbreaking is my eight-year-old-- 1237 00:52:57,421 --> 00:52:59,356 his two favorite athletes are Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong. 1238 00:52:59,357 --> 00:53:01,727 My four-year-old is obsessed with Floyd Landis. 1239 00:53:01,728 --> 00:53:03,865 So what do you tell these kids? I talk to people all the time 1240 00:53:03,866 --> 00:53:05,835 That they go, "who can my kids believe in?" 1241 00:53:05,836 --> 00:53:08,005 And I want to tell them is "nobody." 1242 00:53:08,006 --> 00:53:10,243 I ask not to be judged and much less 1243 00:53:10,244 --> 00:53:12,180 to be sentenced by anyone. 1244 00:53:12,181 --> 00:53:15,353 You can't trust anybody now because the testing is so ineffective. 1245 00:53:15,354 --> 00:53:17,757 You don't know who's really clean, who's really dirty. 1246 00:53:17,758 --> 00:53:20,696 Were you taking any sort of drugs for that race? 1247 00:53:20,697 --> 00:53:22,700 Not what they fined me with, no. 1248 00:53:22,701 --> 00:53:24,770 - But you were taking other stuff. - Other stuff, yeah. 1249 00:53:24,771 --> 00:53:26,440 But isn't that still cheating? 1250 00:53:26,441 --> 00:53:29,144 Still cheating, yeah, like everybody else. 1251 00:53:29,145 --> 00:53:30,815 So that's how you justify it-- 1252 00:53:30,816 --> 00:53:32,417 - Everybody's cheating? - Yes. 1253 00:53:32,418 --> 00:53:34,321 When I interviewed Ben Johnson he basically said, 1254 00:53:34,322 --> 00:53:36,024 "look, everybody was on something." 1255 00:53:36,025 --> 00:53:40,466 Well, you know, Ben-- and bless his heart, 1256 00:53:40,467 --> 00:53:42,535 he's got to say everyone was on something. 1257 00:53:42,536 --> 00:53:45,541 That's justifying his own means. 1258 00:53:45,542 --> 00:53:47,144 So he has a problem with you beating-- 1259 00:53:47,145 --> 00:53:48,814 he has a problem-- he has a problem 1260 00:53:48,815 --> 00:53:51,252 - of, you know, me beating him. - Yeah. 1261 00:53:51,253 --> 00:53:53,255 When we were taking that victory stand, 1262 00:53:53,256 --> 00:53:55,359 we were on the stand and he got the gold medal, 1263 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,664 he didn't smile. He never smiled. 1264 00:53:57,665 --> 00:53:59,401 He never celebrated. And the thing is, 1265 00:53:59,402 --> 00:54:02,639 he couldn't really inside share in the joy of winning. He cheated. 1266 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,643 You cheat. Everybody cheats. 1267 00:54:04,644 --> 00:54:06,313 Nobody in this world is perfect. 1268 00:54:06,314 --> 00:54:07,983 Nobody in this life is perfect-- nobody. 1269 00:54:07,984 --> 00:54:11,590 They know that in 1988 six Americans at least 1270 00:54:11,591 --> 00:54:13,594 tested positive in Seoul. And they all shut up 1271 00:54:13,595 --> 00:54:16,031 because the biggest money comes from America. 1272 00:54:16,032 --> 00:54:18,034 So who's gonna get shafted, 1273 00:54:18,035 --> 00:54:20,038 Americans or Ben Johnson? 1274 00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:23,010 I think that Ben Johnson was unfairly singled out. 1275 00:54:23,011 --> 00:54:25,882 I think that there's always scapegoats. 1276 00:54:25,883 --> 00:54:29,155 Is there a lot of drug use going on in Olympics? 1277 00:54:29,156 --> 00:54:32,294 Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. 1278 00:54:32,295 --> 00:54:34,898 Dr. Exum was the Director of Anti-Doping 1279 00:54:34,899 --> 00:54:37,103 at the U.S. Olympic Committee for 10 years. 1280 00:54:37,104 --> 00:54:39,808 He thought his job was to stop drugs in sports, 1281 00:54:39,809 --> 00:54:42,313 but his bosses had other priorities. 1282 00:54:42,314 --> 00:54:45,051 He told me that over 2000 American athletes 1283 00:54:45,052 --> 00:54:47,622 failed their drug tests, including Carl Lewis, 1284 00:54:47,623 --> 00:54:49,459 and they were covered up. 1285 00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:51,529 Nobody believes Carl Lewis ever failed a drug test. 1286 00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:53,366 - Do you have any proof? - Oh, certainly. 1287 00:54:53,367 --> 00:54:56,939 We have just boxes of proof for everything that I say. 1288 00:54:56,940 --> 00:54:58,943 There it is, book three. 1289 00:54:58,944 --> 00:55:02,149 Here's a letter from then Executive Director 1290 00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:04,888 Baaron Pittenger to Mr. Lewis. 1291 00:55:04,889 --> 00:55:07,926 "I must confirm that the analysis for your specimen 'B' 1292 00:55:07,927 --> 00:55:10,832 was positive for pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, 1293 00:55:10,833 --> 00:55:13,270 And phenylpropanolee-- lamine-- 1294 00:55:13,271 --> 00:55:15,373 - Is that what is is? - Phenylpropanolamine, yeah. 1295 00:55:15,374 --> 00:55:17,143 --IOC banned stimulants. 1296 00:55:17,144 --> 00:55:20,148 By policy of the U.S.O.C., this finding is cause 1297 00:55:20,149 --> 00:55:22,519 for disqualification from the Olympic team 1298 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,625 to the 1988 Summer Olympic Games in Seoul, Korea." 1299 00:55:25,626 --> 00:55:28,063 Wow. 1300 00:55:28,064 --> 00:55:29,967 This is basically a letter that said 1301 00:55:29,968 --> 00:55:31,403 that you had failed the test 1302 00:55:31,404 --> 00:55:34,208 and that there was a consequence to that failure. 1303 00:55:34,209 --> 00:55:37,381 As we all know, that didn't come about. 1304 00:55:37,382 --> 00:55:39,985 You actually received a letter, or a call-- 1305 00:55:39,986 --> 00:55:41,989 - Yes. - --that you had failed the drug test-- 1306 00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:44,092 - Right. - --because of some stimulants? 1307 00:55:44,093 --> 00:55:45,396 Yeah, it was like 1308 00:55:45,397 --> 00:55:47,499 a cold medicine type thing, the herbal supplement. 1309 00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:50,103 They made up this term. It was called "inadvertent use"-- 1310 00:55:50,104 --> 00:55:53,343 an athlete took something without meaning to take it 1311 00:55:53,344 --> 00:55:56,816 or without meaning to gain an advantage from taking it. 1312 00:55:56,817 --> 00:55:58,853 Mm-hmm. And so they made that up 1313 00:55:58,854 --> 00:56:00,690 to basically kind of let people off the hook? 1314 00:56:00,691 --> 00:56:02,660 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 1315 00:56:02,661 --> 00:56:05,565 Carl's story is-- it's been a cold medicine; 1316 00:56:05,566 --> 00:56:08,071 it's been a tea; it's been some kind of a nutrient. 1317 00:56:08,072 --> 00:56:10,575 - It's a stimulant. - CHRIS: So you're saying these athletes-- 1318 00:56:10,576 --> 00:56:13,013 - they know what's on the banned substance list? - They totally know. 1319 00:56:13,014 --> 00:56:15,351 They are bombarded with the banned substance list. 1320 00:56:15,352 --> 00:56:17,354 A lot of people say you failed the drug test, 1321 00:56:17,355 --> 00:56:19,358 you raced against Ben Johnson, 1322 00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:22,831 and that maybe-- maybe the gold medal 1323 00:56:22,832 --> 00:56:24,835 - should go to the guy next on the stand. - I understand. 1324 00:56:24,836 --> 00:56:27,740 There are a lot of people that are going to go to their graves saying, 1325 00:56:27,741 --> 00:56:29,844 "I know he did it." and you know what? To hell with them. 1326 00:56:32,516 --> 00:56:35,253 You really cannot fault the athlete for doing that. 1327 00:56:35,254 --> 00:56:38,793 You can't fault Carl when Carl's belief is 1328 00:56:38,794 --> 00:56:41,932 that the system sets some rules and that you need to follow them. 1329 00:56:41,933 --> 00:56:43,936 And they made an exception in his case. 1330 00:56:43,937 --> 00:56:47,075 They made an exception in a lot of people's cases. 1331 00:56:47,076 --> 00:56:49,246 But it's the system 1332 00:56:49,247 --> 00:56:51,884 that actually teaches athletes to think that way. 1333 00:56:51,885 --> 00:56:53,888 You know, for me 1334 00:56:53,889 --> 00:56:56,225 the whole "level playing field" was a myth. 1335 00:56:56,226 --> 00:56:59,565 If we could not do anything to take doping out of sports 1336 00:56:59,566 --> 00:57:03,005 then doping was meant to be in sports. 1337 00:57:03,006 --> 00:57:06,711 The first all-drug Olympics opened today in Bogota, Colombia. 1338 00:57:06,712 --> 00:57:09,650 Athletes are allowed to take any substance whatsoever 1339 00:57:09,651 --> 00:57:12,221 before, after, and even during the competition. 1340 00:57:15,929 --> 00:57:18,232 Oh! He's pulled his arms off! 1341 00:57:18,233 --> 00:57:21,138 He's pulled his arms off. That's got to be disappointing to the big Russian. 1342 00:57:24,712 --> 00:57:26,715 Yeah! 1343 00:57:26,716 --> 00:57:29,887 What has made every major sport 1344 00:57:29,888 --> 00:57:31,824 a multi-billion-dollar entity? 1345 00:57:31,825 --> 00:57:34,229 Well, after you distill it all down, 1346 00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:35,798 it's the desire of the customer, 1347 00:57:35,799 --> 00:57:39,037 the fans that fill these seats and others, 1348 00:57:39,038 --> 00:57:42,611 to see bigger-than-life people doing bigger-than-life things. 1349 00:57:42,612 --> 00:57:45,249 What do you think about athletes using steroids in sports? 1350 00:57:45,250 --> 00:57:47,420 Steroids? I love it if they're on my team. 1351 00:57:47,421 --> 00:57:49,657 I think it's totally wrong, totally wrong. 1352 00:57:49,658 --> 00:57:51,293 - Worst offense. Throw them out. - It's cheating? 1353 00:57:51,294 --> 00:57:53,164 Hell yeah, it's cheating. Are you kidding me? 1354 00:57:55,101 --> 00:57:57,705 Oh! 1355 00:58:00,111 --> 00:58:01,946 It all gets back to money. 1356 00:58:01,947 --> 00:58:03,716 As long as people continue to buy 1357 00:58:03,717 --> 00:58:06,755 Mark McGuire shirts, Barry Bonds hats, 1358 00:58:06,756 --> 00:58:09,159 we're feeding that monster. 1359 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,664 You vote for the Raiders by wearing the Raiders hat. 1360 00:58:11,665 --> 00:58:13,434 You cast your vote for Nike with your T-shirt. 1361 00:58:13,435 --> 00:58:16,005 You know, every day when you pick a dollar out of your pocket 1362 00:58:16,006 --> 00:58:18,176 you're voting. And if you don't like 1363 00:58:18,177 --> 00:58:21,515 athletes juicing up, then don't vote to have that done. 1364 00:58:21,516 --> 00:58:23,686 Don't buy their stuff. Don't go to the game. 1365 00:58:23,687 --> 00:58:25,690 Do steroids. Become governor. 1366 00:58:25,691 --> 00:58:27,861 Be big and strong, no girly man. 1367 00:58:27,862 --> 00:58:30,232 - The Giants, baby! - Whoo! 1368 00:58:30,233 --> 00:58:32,769 Shockey! 1369 00:58:32,770 --> 00:58:34,506 Whoo! 1370 00:58:34,507 --> 00:58:36,276 Since the steroid scandals broke 1371 00:58:36,277 --> 00:58:38,347 sports revenue has gone through the roof. 1372 00:58:38,348 --> 00:58:41,820 People are buying more tickets, T-shirts as souvenirs than ever. 1373 00:58:41,821 --> 00:58:44,291 So if this is what we the people are voting for, 1374 00:58:44,292 --> 00:58:46,862 why did Congress get involved? 1375 00:58:46,863 --> 00:58:49,100 They always tell you that if you have a problem, 1376 00:58:49,101 --> 00:58:51,103 Talk to your Congressman. 1377 00:58:51,104 --> 00:58:54,142 Lucky for me, my Congressman is Henry Waxman. 1378 00:58:54,143 --> 00:58:55,945 - Hey, how are you? - I'm fine. How are you? 1379 00:58:55,946 --> 00:58:57,482 Very nice to meet you. Chris Bell. 1380 00:58:57,483 --> 00:58:58,851 He's the one who called 1381 00:58:58,852 --> 00:59:00,854 the baseball hearings in the first place. 1382 00:59:00,855 --> 00:59:02,858 He's got to have some answers. 1383 00:59:02,859 --> 00:59:04,862 I think it's important 1384 00:59:04,863 --> 00:59:07,633 for sports figures 1385 00:59:07,634 --> 00:59:10,071 in major league sports 1386 00:59:10,072 --> 00:59:12,075 not to be allowed 1387 00:59:12,076 --> 00:59:15,147 to use steroids under any circumstance. 1388 00:59:15,148 --> 00:59:17,017 And for young people-- 1389 00:59:17,018 --> 00:59:19,655 we certainly don't want them to be using it. 1390 00:59:19,656 --> 00:59:22,928 So the drug is a restricted drug. 1391 00:59:22,929 --> 00:59:25,533 It's not-- there's not a-- 1392 00:59:25,534 --> 00:59:28,238 Let me-- 1393 00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:30,575 Brian, is it illegal to use--? 1394 00:59:30,576 --> 00:59:32,446 it's illegal-- it's legal 1395 00:59:32,447 --> 00:59:34,115 under some circumstances. What's--? 1396 00:59:34,116 --> 00:59:35,852 It's legal with a prescription-- 1397 00:59:35,853 --> 00:59:38,123 - legal with-- okay. - --A medical prescription. 1398 00:59:38,124 --> 00:59:39,993 It's legal with a medical prescription. 1399 00:59:39,994 --> 00:59:41,897 And the other drug was the... 1400 00:59:41,898 --> 00:59:44,067 testosterone or just steroids in general. 1401 00:59:44,068 --> 00:59:46,438 Well, I think that they're also banned. 1402 00:59:46,439 --> 00:59:49,043 They're already banned in professional sports. 1403 00:59:49,044 --> 00:59:51,314 Brian, am I right? Speak up if I'm wrong. 1404 00:59:51,315 --> 00:59:52,483 - Yes. - Okay. 1405 00:59:52,484 --> 00:59:54,754 Well, these products are already banned. 1406 00:59:54,755 --> 00:59:57,859 Cigarettes and alcohol 1407 00:59:57,860 --> 00:59:59,863 are legally available, 1408 00:59:59,864 --> 01:00:02,668 but not if you're under the age. 1409 01:00:02,669 --> 01:00:04,672 And I think the age 1410 01:00:04,673 --> 01:00:07,443 is 18 for both all around the country. 1411 01:00:07,444 --> 01:00:10,616 Is it 18 or 21? I'm getting confused. What? 1412 01:00:10,617 --> 01:00:12,118 21. 21. 1413 01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:14,056 - Okay, so strike that. - That's all right. 1414 01:00:14,057 --> 01:00:16,093 President Bush allotted 1415 01:00:16,094 --> 01:00:18,531 $15 million for steroid education. 1416 01:00:18,532 --> 01:00:20,467 Where has that money gone? 1417 01:00:20,468 --> 01:00:23,206 Um, I don't know. 1418 01:00:23,207 --> 01:00:25,677 Do you know? 1419 01:00:25,678 --> 01:00:27,180 Okay, we don't know. 1420 01:00:27,181 --> 01:00:30,018 - Okay. - So... 1421 01:00:30,019 --> 01:00:32,022 It's a war on drugs 1422 01:00:32,023 --> 01:00:34,059 and Congressmen want to be tough on drugs, 1423 01:00:34,060 --> 01:00:36,062 so they just demonize them all. 1424 01:00:36,063 --> 01:00:38,200 And they say, "oh, our children are being exposed to them. 1425 01:00:38,201 --> 01:00:40,204 They're gonna kill our children." 1426 01:00:40,205 --> 01:00:42,642 And they just paint everything in black and white. 1427 01:00:42,643 --> 01:00:44,913 And they really don't see the areas in between. 1428 01:00:44,914 --> 01:00:47,117 For those of us who live in the grey areas 1429 01:00:47,118 --> 01:00:48,953 and whose life depends on it. 1430 01:00:48,954 --> 01:00:50,555 It's a very important issue. 1431 01:00:50,556 --> 01:00:52,760 Politicians are always looking 1432 01:00:52,761 --> 01:00:54,797 for an issue to get behind. 1433 01:00:54,798 --> 01:00:56,634 They're always looking for something 1434 01:00:56,635 --> 01:00:58,470 to be able to say to the public, 1435 01:00:58,471 --> 01:01:00,341 "hey, look at what my legislation's doing. 1436 01:01:00,342 --> 01:01:01,710 Look at what my bill has done. 1437 01:01:01,711 --> 01:01:04,581 I'm out there. I'm protecting you. 1438 01:01:04,582 --> 01:01:06,652 I'm protecting the children." 1439 01:01:06,653 --> 01:01:08,756 Turns out the most important witness 1440 01:01:08,757 --> 01:01:11,595 at the baseball hearings was not a famous athlete. 1441 01:01:11,596 --> 01:01:14,066 Taylor Hooton was a 17-year-old kid 1442 01:01:14,067 --> 01:01:17,505 who committed suicide and his father blamed steroids. 1443 01:01:17,506 --> 01:01:20,411 I believe the poor example 1444 01:01:20,412 --> 01:01:22,749 being set by professional athletes 1445 01:01:22,750 --> 01:01:25,220 is a major catalyst fueling 1446 01:01:25,221 --> 01:01:27,591 the high usage of steroids amongst our kids. 1447 01:01:27,592 --> 01:01:29,828 And parents across America 1448 01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:32,165 should hold you accountable 1449 01:01:32,166 --> 01:01:34,570 for behavior that inspires our kids 1450 01:01:34,571 --> 01:01:36,974 to do things that put their health at risk 1451 01:01:36,975 --> 01:01:38,978 and that teaches them that the ethics 1452 01:01:38,979 --> 01:01:41,483 we try to teach them around our kitchen table 1453 01:01:41,484 --> 01:01:43,954 somehow don't apply to them. 1454 01:01:43,955 --> 01:01:45,958 Please help us to see 1455 01:01:45,959 --> 01:01:48,629 that our children's lives were not lost in vain. 1456 01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:51,368 You have the power to do something about it 1457 01:01:51,369 --> 01:01:54,206 and we're counting on you to do so. 1458 01:01:54,207 --> 01:01:55,942 Donald Hooton coming in 1459 01:01:55,943 --> 01:01:57,680 and putting a human face on it 1460 01:01:57,681 --> 01:02:01,153 was more powerful than the scientific-- 1461 01:02:01,154 --> 01:02:03,457 the statistics or any of that stuff. 1462 01:02:03,458 --> 01:02:06,128 On average, 5,000 kids a year 1463 01:02:06,129 --> 01:02:08,166 commit suicide in America. 1464 01:02:08,167 --> 01:02:10,837 And most parents never know exactly why. 1465 01:02:10,838 --> 01:02:13,175 I wanted to find out why Donald Hooton is so sure 1466 01:02:13,176 --> 01:02:15,779 that the answer could be as simple as steroids. 1467 01:02:23,729 --> 01:02:25,230 - How are you doing? - Fine. 1468 01:02:25,231 --> 01:02:27,334 - Chris Henry. - Don Hooton. Nice to meet you. 1469 01:02:27,335 --> 01:02:30,639 This is a very very competitive community 1470 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,112 all the way from athletics to business. 1471 01:02:33,113 --> 01:02:36,350 So you wind up in an affluent area 1472 01:02:36,351 --> 01:02:39,656 where these kids can afford to play with this stuff. 1473 01:02:39,657 --> 01:02:41,994 And of course in hindsight as we look back, 1474 01:02:41,995 --> 01:02:44,098 all of the signs were staring us in the face-- 1475 01:02:44,099 --> 01:02:46,670 The behavior problems, the physical changes, 1476 01:02:46,671 --> 01:02:48,940 but we had no idea what we were looking at. 1477 01:02:48,941 --> 01:02:50,910 If we go back to the medical textbook, 1478 01:02:50,911 --> 01:02:53,816 the depression that comes along with steroid use is bad, 1479 01:02:53,817 --> 01:02:57,156 but it's worse in that four-to-six-week period 1480 01:02:57,157 --> 01:02:59,660 following stopping using this stuff. 1481 01:02:59,661 --> 01:03:01,931 And it was during that period 1482 01:03:01,932 --> 01:03:03,934 that his mother found him 1483 01:03:03,935 --> 01:03:06,439 hanging on the door in his bedroom. 1484 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:07,775 Jeez. 1485 01:03:07,776 --> 01:03:09,778 Taylor Hooton's dad, Don Hooton, 1486 01:03:09,779 --> 01:03:12,984 called me shortly after 1487 01:03:12,985 --> 01:03:15,556 Taylor had taken his life. 1488 01:03:15,557 --> 01:03:18,260 Together we came up with the idea 1489 01:03:18,261 --> 01:03:20,365 of creating a private organization... 1490 01:03:20,366 --> 01:03:22,335 ...to educate the public 1491 01:03:22,336 --> 01:03:24,338 about the dangers 1492 01:03:24,339 --> 01:03:26,642 of anabolic steroid abuse. 1493 01:03:26,643 --> 01:03:28,513 This is Taylor's room. 1494 01:03:28,514 --> 01:03:30,350 You don't have to come in here long to realize 1495 01:03:30,351 --> 01:03:32,019 Taylor was a baseball player. 1496 01:03:32,020 --> 01:03:36,060 'Cause he started maybe five years old in T-ball. 1497 01:03:36,061 --> 01:03:40,101 But Taylor was a great kid. 1498 01:03:40,102 --> 01:03:42,372 We took Taylor to a psychiatrist 1499 01:03:42,373 --> 01:03:45,310 and she put him on a low dose of Lexapro. 1500 01:03:45,311 --> 01:03:47,782 And as far as I know, 1501 01:03:47,783 --> 01:03:50,420 this is the only steroid-related case 1502 01:03:50,421 --> 01:03:54,194 that this well-meaning psychiatrist had ever had. 1503 01:03:54,195 --> 01:03:57,867 And when the psychiatrist recommended that Taylor go cold turkey 1504 01:03:57,868 --> 01:04:00,205 and stop using steroids... 1505 01:04:02,242 --> 01:04:04,412 it was a formula for disaster. 1506 01:04:04,413 --> 01:04:06,750 I feel terrible, obviously, about Taylor Hooton, 1507 01:04:06,751 --> 01:04:09,121 But Taylor Hooton had a lot of problems 1508 01:04:09,122 --> 01:04:11,125 and he was on other drugs. 1509 01:04:11,126 --> 01:04:13,128 According to some newspaper accounts, 1510 01:04:13,129 --> 01:04:15,733 he was on S.S.R.I.S-- antidepressants 1511 01:04:15,734 --> 01:04:17,736 which have been shown to be associated 1512 01:04:17,737 --> 01:04:20,642 with suicidal ideation and suicidal behavior. 1513 01:04:20,643 --> 01:04:23,547 So whether his suicide was due to Lexapro 1514 01:04:23,548 --> 01:04:25,685 or due to steroids or due to depression 1515 01:04:25,686 --> 01:04:28,022 or due to stress of being a great athlete, 1516 01:04:28,023 --> 01:04:30,193 there are five other things-- I don't know. 1517 01:04:30,194 --> 01:04:32,331 Do you think that perhaps-- 1518 01:04:32,332 --> 01:04:35,136 when I look at your website, 1519 01:04:35,137 --> 01:04:37,940 The Taylor Hooton Foundation-- 1520 01:04:37,941 --> 01:04:40,345 do you think it's a responsibility 1521 01:04:40,346 --> 01:04:44,152 to include antidepressants in there 1522 01:04:44,153 --> 01:04:46,156 just in case there are critics 1523 01:04:46,157 --> 01:04:48,160 or just to raise the awareness 1524 01:04:48,161 --> 01:04:50,898 of how dangerous perhaps antidepressants may be? 1525 01:04:50,899 --> 01:04:52,902 No, I don't. And the reason is, 1526 01:04:52,903 --> 01:04:56,040 our battle is not with antidepressants. Our battle's with steroids. 1527 01:04:56,041 --> 01:04:58,979 The National Institute on Drug Abuse said 1528 01:04:58,980 --> 01:05:00,983 the dangers of anabolic steroids 1529 01:05:00,984 --> 01:05:03,455 are temporary and reversible. 1530 01:05:03,456 --> 01:05:05,458 My son is dead. 1531 01:05:07,763 --> 01:05:11,302 All of the intellectual arguments 1532 01:05:11,303 --> 01:05:12,771 about whether or not 1533 01:05:12,772 --> 01:05:16,344 steroids are dangerous or not 1534 01:05:16,345 --> 01:05:18,348 don't matter to me. 1535 01:05:18,349 --> 01:05:20,285 I know they're dangerous. 1536 01:05:20,286 --> 01:05:23,592 I saw it with my own eyes and I watched my son die. 1537 01:05:23,593 --> 01:05:26,263 The only evidence I need is the pictures of my son 1538 01:05:26,264 --> 01:05:28,266 that are on the wall behind you. 1539 01:05:28,267 --> 01:05:29,168 Mm-hmm. 1540 01:05:32,041 --> 01:05:34,010 Look, I have a son too. 1541 01:05:34,011 --> 01:05:36,682 And the last thing in the world I could ever imagine doing 1542 01:05:36,683 --> 01:05:38,619 is burying that kid. And it would probably 1543 01:05:38,620 --> 01:05:40,389 ruin me for the rest of my life. 1544 01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:42,559 And I can see where having a cause 1545 01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,298 to sort of assuage the feelings of guilt 1546 01:05:45,299 --> 01:05:48,370 and depression that are following my son's death 1547 01:05:48,371 --> 01:05:51,543 would probably be helpful. "Let's not let this happen to somebody else." 1548 01:05:51,544 --> 01:05:54,014 But they're chasing the wrong thing. 1549 01:05:54,015 --> 01:05:55,583 They're not doing it right. 1550 01:05:55,584 --> 01:05:57,587 We're working with major league baseball 1551 01:05:57,588 --> 01:05:59,591 to make that happen now 1552 01:05:59,592 --> 01:06:02,162 where hopefully in each local stadium 1553 01:06:02,163 --> 01:06:04,600 there's gonna be a steroid awareness night. 1554 01:06:04,601 --> 01:06:06,604 Do you find it ironic at all 1555 01:06:06,605 --> 01:06:09,642 to have a steroid awareness night for baseball 1556 01:06:09,643 --> 01:06:11,613 in a stadium that sells alcohol 1557 01:06:11,614 --> 01:06:13,984 which is responsible for a lot of deaths as a drug? 1558 01:06:16,289 --> 01:06:18,124 Alcohol's legal to sell. 1559 01:06:18,125 --> 01:06:20,128 And we can argue all day long 1560 01:06:20,129 --> 01:06:24,202 Whether tobacco kills and whether alcohol kills, 1561 01:06:24,203 --> 01:06:26,206 and there's a clear distinction in my mind 1562 01:06:26,207 --> 01:06:28,978 between tobacco or alcohol 1563 01:06:28,979 --> 01:06:32,384 and steroids and methamphetamines and coke. 1564 01:06:32,385 --> 01:06:34,154 - Thanks for sharing that with us. - All right. 1565 01:06:34,155 --> 01:06:36,057 I know how hard it can be and everything. 1566 01:06:36,058 --> 01:06:37,159 This is important stuff. 1567 01:06:52,622 --> 01:06:54,992 Anybody who asks me about it-- 1568 01:06:54,993 --> 01:06:56,829 I let them know. I tell them why. 1569 01:06:56,830 --> 01:06:59,734 I tell them how much I take. I'll tell them anything 1570 01:06:59,735 --> 01:07:02,740 - they want to ask me about them 'cause I think-- - What about the kids? 1571 01:07:02,741 --> 01:07:05,579 The kids are different because-- 1572 01:07:05,580 --> 01:07:08,216 a couple kids asked me in front of the whole group 1573 01:07:08,217 --> 01:07:09,820 and I had to lie about it 1574 01:07:09,821 --> 01:07:12,325 because this whole steroid thing is just out of hand. 1575 01:07:12,326 --> 01:07:14,429 I know coach Henry doesn't take any steroids. 1576 01:07:14,430 --> 01:07:16,532 He's just 100% strong. 1577 01:07:16,533 --> 01:07:19,070 I think somebody asked him if he was on steroids 1578 01:07:19,071 --> 01:07:21,809 and he said no. And I completely believe him. 1579 01:07:21,810 --> 01:07:23,912 He just teaches that steroids are basically-- 1580 01:07:23,913 --> 01:07:25,749 they're a cheap way out of doing hard work. 1581 01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:28,120 I say they're not for kids. 1582 01:07:28,121 --> 01:07:31,092 Steroids are not for kids. That's plain and simple. 1583 01:07:31,093 --> 01:07:33,196 You should achieve things naturally 1584 01:07:33,197 --> 01:07:35,166 and then maybe you should think about them 1585 01:07:35,167 --> 01:07:36,769 when you're an adult. 1586 01:07:36,770 --> 01:07:38,773 The main reason why I don't take steroids 1587 01:07:38,774 --> 01:07:41,278 is 'cause he got it into my head that I don't need 'em, 1588 01:07:41,279 --> 01:07:44,684 that I got the potential right now as a teenager to get as strong as I want. 1589 01:07:44,685 --> 01:07:47,322 What good would it do them to know that I take steroids? 1590 01:07:47,323 --> 01:07:49,726 It wouldn't do them any good. They'd just be like, 1591 01:07:49,727 --> 01:07:52,097 "oh, man, he's a cheater. 1592 01:07:52,098 --> 01:07:53,968 Would you ever tell our parents that you do it? 1593 01:07:53,969 --> 01:07:57,541 Um, I mean, you know, 1594 01:07:57,542 --> 01:07:59,544 if they asked me. 1595 01:07:59,545 --> 01:08:02,483 I only cooked two pounds. 1596 01:08:02,484 --> 01:08:05,188 I hope it's enough. 1597 01:08:05,189 --> 01:08:07,526 You know, we went to church all the time. 1598 01:08:07,527 --> 01:08:09,430 I grew up in a great family. 1599 01:08:09,431 --> 01:08:11,433 I don't think I could ask 1600 01:08:11,434 --> 01:08:13,837 for anybody better to be parents, you know. 1601 01:08:13,838 --> 01:08:18,379 And when I went to the U.S.C. 1602 01:08:18,380 --> 01:08:20,450 I didn't do any drugs. I didn't do anything. 1603 01:08:20,451 --> 01:08:22,754 - 'Cause you're a good boy. - Well... 1604 01:08:22,755 --> 01:08:25,292 And then I got to a point where I actually tried steroids. 1605 01:08:25,293 --> 01:08:27,930 I tried Winstrol, which is injections. 1606 01:08:27,931 --> 01:08:30,167 You injected a needle in yourself? 1607 01:08:30,168 --> 01:08:31,737 It's just in the muscle. 1608 01:08:31,738 --> 01:08:33,440 Yeah, 'cause you get to a point where you're like, 1609 01:08:33,441 --> 01:08:35,645 "I'm getting out of shape. I don't feel like I used to." 1610 01:08:35,646 --> 01:08:37,648 The reason I stopped doing it was 1611 01:08:37,649 --> 01:08:40,019 because I thought it was immoral. 1612 01:08:40,020 --> 01:08:42,490 I thought it was so wrong and like, 1613 01:08:42,491 --> 01:08:44,694 "what if my parents found out I did this?" 1614 01:08:44,695 --> 01:08:46,531 I think it's really hard to hear 1615 01:08:46,532 --> 01:08:49,670 - that you tried 'em and everything, but-- - For you. 1616 01:08:49,671 --> 01:08:51,140 It's not hard for me. 1617 01:08:51,141 --> 01:08:54,378 What I'm saying is that it's hard to hear. 1618 01:08:54,379 --> 01:08:56,382 And what about mark? I mean, 1619 01:08:56,383 --> 01:08:58,953 how come you're staying big but you're not getting fat? 1620 01:08:58,954 --> 01:09:01,425 - You're just-- - I'm getting fatter. 1621 01:09:01,426 --> 01:09:03,362 No, but your face is rounder. 1622 01:09:03,363 --> 01:09:05,533 - I put on body fat. He's about-- 1623 01:09:05,534 --> 01:09:08,304 You're about 7% or 8% higher than what you normally are, wouldn't you say? 1624 01:09:08,305 --> 01:09:10,007 I have no idea. I don't really care either. 1625 01:09:10,008 --> 01:09:11,677 He's already married. He doesn't care. 1626 01:09:11,678 --> 01:09:13,948 Except Smelly's not saying anything. 1627 01:09:13,949 --> 01:09:16,586 Don't let your brothers overrun your conversation. 1628 01:09:18,891 --> 01:09:21,161 When you get caught with something 1629 01:09:21,162 --> 01:09:24,501 I think the truth is always the fastest way 1630 01:09:24,502 --> 01:09:26,204 out of the situation, 1631 01:09:26,205 --> 01:09:28,408 but it's not always the best way out. 1632 01:09:28,409 --> 01:09:30,645 You know, she's concerned. She's being a mom 1633 01:09:30,646 --> 01:09:35,020 and she's just trying to leave it open 1634 01:09:35,021 --> 01:09:37,357 where I could say, "Yeah, you know what? I do 'em. 1635 01:09:37,358 --> 01:09:40,530 And this is why." I think that's what she's looking for. 1636 01:09:40,531 --> 01:09:43,068 But she's still never directly asked me. 1637 01:09:43,069 --> 01:09:46,107 So until that time comes I ain't sayin' nothin'. 1638 01:09:47,878 --> 01:09:50,682 People have a tendency to cheat at everything. 1639 01:09:50,683 --> 01:09:52,685 And that happens with taxes too, 1640 01:09:52,686 --> 01:09:55,525 just like it could with steroids or any other thing. 1641 01:09:55,526 --> 01:10:00,132 It's human nature. It's the sinful nature of men. 1642 01:10:00,134 --> 01:10:01,903 My dad convinced mad dog and his wife 1643 01:10:01,904 --> 01:10:04,040 To settle down in Poughkeepsie. 1644 01:10:04,041 --> 01:10:06,812 And he's been doing income taxes for the same guys he used to wrestle with. 1645 01:10:06,813 --> 01:10:09,283 I keep a couple things around, not too much. 1646 01:10:09,284 --> 01:10:11,253 Big john. John always keeps it real. 1647 01:10:11,254 --> 01:10:14,158 This just says "To Mad Dog. Thanks for everything." 1648 01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:17,431 Not exactly how he thought his life would turn out. 1649 01:10:17,432 --> 01:10:19,167 I get up, I go to the office, 1650 01:10:19,168 --> 01:10:21,305 you know, I make money for them, I make money for me. 1651 01:10:21,306 --> 01:10:23,809 I got a great wife. I got a great family. 1652 01:10:23,810 --> 01:10:25,813 But I wanted to be a famous wrestler 1653 01:10:25,814 --> 01:10:28,218 and, you know, I wanted to live the life. 1654 01:10:28,219 --> 01:10:30,789 I wanted to be on the road, travel, meeting people, 1655 01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:32,793 Making money, having fun-- 1656 01:10:32,794 --> 01:10:34,662 you know, living the life. 1657 01:10:34,663 --> 01:10:36,600 He'll break down and he'll be crying 1658 01:10:36,601 --> 01:10:38,570 and he'll say, like, "dad, the biggest fear 1659 01:10:38,571 --> 01:10:40,573 I ever had in my life was being average Joe. 1660 01:10:40,574 --> 01:10:42,944 And I'm 36 years old and that's all I can see for myself." 1661 01:10:42,945 --> 01:10:44,314 What do you want to do now? 1662 01:10:44,315 --> 01:10:46,752 Where do you see yourself going? 1663 01:10:46,753 --> 01:10:50,492 I mean, you know, the immediate goal was to get out of Poughkeepsie, 1664 01:10:50,493 --> 01:10:53,731 move to California, establish my name 1665 01:10:53,732 --> 01:10:57,872 and then start my own business eventually. 1666 01:10:57,873 --> 01:11:00,243 Seemed like he was making good progress, okay? 1667 01:11:00,244 --> 01:11:01,779 But he wasn't making any progress. 1668 01:11:01,780 --> 01:11:03,450 I told him the other night, I said, 1669 01:11:03,451 --> 01:11:05,821 "you might be fooling everybody else, 1670 01:11:05,822 --> 01:11:07,523 but you're not fooling me. 1671 01:11:07,524 --> 01:11:09,694 You're full of shit. You're still on stuff." 1672 01:11:09,695 --> 01:11:11,865 Why do you think he would tell us about it? 1673 01:11:11,866 --> 01:11:14,536 He tells me everything else, you know, that he's doing. 1674 01:11:14,537 --> 01:11:16,540 I think he's partially embarrassed 1675 01:11:16,541 --> 01:11:19,645 and I think he's-- 1676 01:11:19,646 --> 01:11:21,983 that's part of addictive behavior. 1677 01:11:21,984 --> 01:11:25,356 His thing is this-- "I'm gonna be fine as soon as I'm out of here. 1678 01:11:25,357 --> 01:11:28,294 I'm gonna go live in California. My life is gonna be perfect." 1679 01:11:28,295 --> 01:11:31,868 But if he really believes that-- no, he's not gonna be fine at all. 1680 01:11:31,869 --> 01:11:34,607 You know who I feel bad for? I feel bad for Nadine. 1681 01:11:34,608 --> 01:11:36,676 'Cause here's a young girl who's married, 1682 01:11:36,677 --> 01:11:39,716 whose hopes and dreams and life 1683 01:11:39,717 --> 01:11:42,654 is in him, and he's a screw-up. 1684 01:11:42,655 --> 01:11:46,060 And if he ends up overdosing and killing himself 1685 01:11:46,061 --> 01:11:48,833 or if he ends up on the rocks, he's taking her with him. 1686 01:11:48,834 --> 01:11:51,704 I'm not moving out there with the hopes and dreams of-- 1687 01:11:51,705 --> 01:11:54,109 I'm not gonna wait tables and hope I'm gonna be an actor. 1688 01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:55,879 I already did that-- 15 years of wrestling. 1689 01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,248 You think you'll get noticed? 1690 01:11:57,249 --> 01:11:59,285 I'm not moving out to get noticed, 1691 01:11:59,286 --> 01:12:01,322 but you're never gonna get noticed in Poughkeepsie. 1692 01:12:01,323 --> 01:12:03,760 In Hollywood you're walking down the street, somebody sees you-- 1693 01:12:03,761 --> 01:12:05,730 "hey, you got a minute?" you just never know. 1694 01:12:05,731 --> 01:12:07,734 You don't think there's any way 1695 01:12:07,735 --> 01:12:09,737 he can get past it? 1696 01:12:09,738 --> 01:12:11,975 A miracle. 1697 01:12:14,314 --> 01:12:16,984 I'm serious. 1698 01:12:16,985 --> 01:12:19,489 I think they're gonna find him dead someday. 1699 01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:23,028 I thought bringing up boys-- this is easy. 1700 01:12:23,029 --> 01:12:25,801 At least I don't have a daughter who's, like, 1701 01:12:25,802 --> 01:12:27,904 got her face in the bowl throwing up. 1702 01:12:27,905 --> 01:12:31,010 You know, did I-- did I do something 1703 01:12:31,011 --> 01:12:33,014 as a mother 1704 01:12:33,015 --> 01:12:35,552 To make you feel, 1705 01:12:35,553 --> 01:12:37,288 like, not good enough? 1706 01:12:37,289 --> 01:12:40,294 When Mike went off to college and he calls your father up 1707 01:12:40,295 --> 01:12:41,763 and says, "can I try steroids?" 1708 01:12:41,764 --> 01:12:45,403 "No, you're not getting money to try steroids." 1709 01:12:45,404 --> 01:12:50,145 You know, we both thought that was a crazy thing, so-- 1710 01:12:50,146 --> 01:12:52,283 but do you know where he ended up getting 'em from? 1711 01:12:52,284 --> 01:12:55,188 - No, but I wasn't gonna-- - He got 'em from your brother John. 1712 01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:56,591 No-- 1713 01:12:58,963 --> 01:13:01,366 So that's-- I mean, it's something that's like, 1714 01:13:01,367 --> 01:13:03,369 you know, in our family. 1715 01:13:03,370 --> 01:13:05,373 I mean, it's something that, like-- 1716 01:13:05,374 --> 01:13:07,878 Chris, you're already killing me with this as it is. 1717 01:13:07,879 --> 01:13:09,782 - Well, I'm telling-- - It just gets worse. 1718 01:13:09,783 --> 01:13:11,451 I'm just telling you the truth. 1719 01:13:11,452 --> 01:13:14,189 I'm just trying to tell you how I feel as a mother. 1720 01:13:14,190 --> 01:13:16,794 I am broken to my soul. 1721 01:13:16,795 --> 01:13:18,464 My heart is broken. 1722 01:13:20,168 --> 01:13:22,171 When you were growing up Hulk Hogan-- 1723 01:13:22,172 --> 01:13:24,242 look what he's saying. "take your vitamins, 1724 01:13:24,243 --> 01:13:26,446 say your prayers--" and what? 1725 01:13:26,447 --> 01:13:28,749 - "believe in yourself." - Yeah, but it's not true. 1726 01:13:28,750 --> 01:13:31,488 - So I started working out. - "Take your steroids," okay? 1727 01:13:31,489 --> 01:13:33,926 I don't know if he ever prays or not. 1728 01:13:33,927 --> 01:13:37,833 Never heard him talk about god in his whole life, okay? 1729 01:13:37,834 --> 01:13:39,837 Now that time has gone by, 1730 01:13:39,838 --> 01:13:41,740 I'm like, "is this guy a fraud?" 1731 01:13:41,741 --> 01:13:44,279 And that's where I think that everybody needs 1732 01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,317 to begin to accept-- "I am who I am," 1733 01:13:47,318 --> 01:13:49,288 said Popeye the sailor man. 1734 01:13:49,289 --> 01:13:51,324 He even was a gyp. 1735 01:13:51,325 --> 01:13:53,930 - He had to take spinach. - He had to take spinach. 1736 01:13:53,931 --> 01:13:56,434 Everybody needs something. I mean, what's up with that? 1737 01:13:56,435 --> 01:13:59,306 If I just accept who I am right now, isn't that just giving up? 1738 01:13:59,307 --> 01:14:01,577 No, accept who you are as a person. 1739 01:14:01,578 --> 01:14:03,747 Then your body image is something different. 1740 01:14:03,748 --> 01:14:06,252 Do you think a fat person hasn't tried everything 1741 01:14:06,253 --> 01:14:08,923 that's legal? But I'm not gonna cross the line. 1742 01:14:08,924 --> 01:14:12,196 The Bible lays everything out about how to live your life. 1743 01:14:12,197 --> 01:14:14,434 - But the bible can't solve all your problems. - It can. 1744 01:14:14,435 --> 01:14:17,339 I can't pray to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's not gonna happen. 1745 01:14:17,340 --> 01:14:19,977 No, you can't pray to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, 1746 01:14:19,978 --> 01:14:21,981 but neither can you take enough steroids 1747 01:14:21,982 --> 01:14:24,920 or enough human growth hormone to look like him either. 1748 01:14:24,921 --> 01:14:27,324 - But you can get as close as you can. - It's not gonna happen. 1749 01:14:27,325 --> 01:14:30,062 You're fearfully and wonderfully made. 1750 01:14:30,063 --> 01:14:33,602 Every sinew in your body, every muscle, every fiber 1751 01:14:33,603 --> 01:14:36,007 was made by god. And you're exactly 1752 01:14:36,008 --> 01:14:38,011 who he intended you to be. 1753 01:14:38,012 --> 01:14:41,149 And so what? To somebody with a six-pack of abs. 1754 01:14:41,150 --> 01:14:43,153 Maybe they don't have what you have. 1755 01:14:43,154 --> 01:14:46,293 I mean, you know, why don't you ever think that way too? 1756 01:14:46,294 --> 01:14:49,531 What I don't get is why did our boys 1757 01:14:49,532 --> 01:14:52,570 Not feel that they were good enough? 1758 01:14:55,710 --> 01:14:59,015 My father or my grandfather 1759 01:14:59,016 --> 01:15:00,986 never worried about 1760 01:15:00,987 --> 01:15:02,990 whether they had a six-pack of abdominals 1761 01:15:02,991 --> 01:15:05,461 or what percentage of body fat they had. 1762 01:15:05,462 --> 01:15:09,535 So why is it now in the 21st century 1763 01:15:09,536 --> 01:15:11,672 that there's this huge preoccupation 1764 01:15:11,673 --> 01:15:13,810 with body image that just didn't exist before? 1765 01:15:13,811 --> 01:15:16,514 Dr. Harrison pope is a psychiatrist 1766 01:15:16,515 --> 01:15:20,054 who studies why American men are becoming more obsessed with their bodies. 1767 01:15:20,055 --> 01:15:22,859 So here we have G.I. Joe 1768 01:15:22,860 --> 01:15:25,163 from the 1960s. 1769 01:15:25,164 --> 01:15:27,868 This is when he first came out at the time of the Vietnam war. 1770 01:15:27,869 --> 01:15:30,006 He's a perfectly normal-looking dude. 1771 01:15:30,007 --> 01:15:33,445 Here is G.I. Joe from about 10 years later, 1772 01:15:33,446 --> 01:15:35,282 - from the mid-1970s. - He's got abs now. 1773 01:15:35,283 --> 01:15:37,887 He's clearly been putting in some time in the gym. 1774 01:15:37,888 --> 01:15:41,727 - And then here is G.I. Joe from the 1990s. - Oh, jeez. 1775 01:15:41,728 --> 01:15:44,565 The bicep is up to 16" or so, 1776 01:15:44,566 --> 01:15:46,603 full six-pack of abs, 1777 01:15:46,604 --> 01:15:48,840 even got serratus muscles visible on the side. 1778 01:15:48,841 --> 01:15:50,844 This evolution in the action figures 1779 01:15:50,845 --> 01:15:53,082 is a testimony 1780 01:15:53,083 --> 01:15:55,753 to this increased preoccupation with body image 1781 01:15:55,754 --> 01:15:57,857 that we've been seeing in the United States. 1782 01:15:57,858 --> 01:16:00,228 And it's funny that in our culture 1783 01:16:00,229 --> 01:16:03,167 we still tend to romanticize 1784 01:16:03,168 --> 01:16:05,171 steroids to a certain way-- 1785 01:16:05,172 --> 01:16:08,309 That you'll see an ad for an S.U.V. that says, 1786 01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:10,747 "this is our sedan on steroids." 1787 01:16:10,748 --> 01:16:12,818 But you wouldn't see an ad for an S.U.V. saying, 1788 01:16:12,819 --> 01:16:14,722 "this is our sedan on cocaine." 1789 01:16:14,723 --> 01:16:17,793 Well, it's sort of like a golf cart on steroids. 1790 01:16:17,794 --> 01:16:20,566 It looked like an easy-bake oven on steroids. 1791 01:16:20,567 --> 01:16:22,435 It's sort of the economy on steroids. 1792 01:16:22,436 --> 01:16:24,206 Think of it as Apollo on steroids. 1793 01:16:24,207 --> 01:16:26,810 This year the jet stream has really been on steroids. 1794 01:16:26,811 --> 01:16:30,417 Kosovo would be Bosnia on steroids. 1795 01:16:30,418 --> 01:16:32,621 Adding more U.S. trainers and advisors, 1796 01:16:32,622 --> 01:16:35,326 essentially putting the current strategy on steroids. 1797 01:16:35,327 --> 01:16:38,231 We are besieged every day 1798 01:16:38,232 --> 01:16:42,305 with images of muscular male bodies on T.V., 1799 01:16:42,306 --> 01:16:44,777 in the movies, in cartoons, on magazines 1800 01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:46,685 at the checkout counter in the department store, 1801 01:16:46,686 --> 01:16:49,645 all of which seem to give this message 1802 01:16:50,946 --> 01:16:53,906 that a real man is big and muscular. 1803 01:16:59,954 --> 01:17:01,746 There you go. Just like that. 1804 01:17:01,747 --> 01:17:04,331 Good. Give me some good abs, Christian. That's it. 1805 01:17:04,332 --> 01:17:06,417 I saw "Conan the Barbarian" when I was 11. 1806 01:17:06,418 --> 01:17:09,294 And at that moment I said, "that's exactly what I want to do." 1807 01:17:09,295 --> 01:17:11,712 And I started to study Arnold and his achievements. 1808 01:17:11,714 --> 01:17:13,715 So I started training with weights when I was 14. 1809 01:17:13,716 --> 01:17:15,425 I started taking steroids when I was 16. 1810 01:17:15,426 --> 01:17:17,509 So you're advertising a supplement. 1811 01:17:17,511 --> 01:17:19,637 So a guy like me goes and looks in the magazine 1812 01:17:19,638 --> 01:17:21,805 and I see Christian Boeving and I'm like, "wow, man, 1813 01:17:21,806 --> 01:17:23,974 I wanna look like that guy." so I go and take 1814 01:17:23,975 --> 01:17:26,101 Hydroxycut or some supplement 1815 01:17:26,102 --> 01:17:28,687 because I think that I'm gonna look like you. 1816 01:17:28,688 --> 01:17:30,980 But what I don't know is that you were taking steroids. 1817 01:17:30,982 --> 01:17:32,940 Do you have any problem with that? 1818 01:17:34,567 --> 01:17:36,526 That's a double-edged sword, my friend. 1819 01:17:36,527 --> 01:17:38,487 How to answer this? 1820 01:17:38,488 --> 01:17:40,488 Somebody looks at an ad with me in it 1821 01:17:40,489 --> 01:17:42,782 and says, "Christian Boeving takes Hydroxycut," 1822 01:17:42,783 --> 01:17:44,784 Which I did and I do. 1823 01:17:44,785 --> 01:17:47,327 That doesn't necessarily mean that I don't take something else. 1824 01:17:47,329 --> 01:17:49,121 If they choose to believe 1825 01:17:49,122 --> 01:17:51,498 that that's the only thing I'm taking to look like that, 1826 01:17:51,499 --> 01:17:53,458 then so be it. They should be smarter than that. 1827 01:17:53,459 --> 01:17:56,003 Is it misleading? Possibly a little bit, yeah. 1828 01:17:56,004 --> 01:17:59,089 But is it a lie? Absolutely not. 1829 01:17:59,090 --> 01:18:01,507 I'd say probably 80% to 90%-- I'm not kidding you-- 1830 01:18:01,508 --> 01:18:03,467 of all the stuff I see in magazines 1831 01:18:03,468 --> 01:18:06,303 is complete hogwash. It's ridiculous to me. 1832 01:18:06,304 --> 01:18:09,347 I don't understand why there's this need in advertising 1833 01:18:09,349 --> 01:18:11,141 To really manipulate things-- 1834 01:18:11,142 --> 01:18:13,142 The bone-thin fashion models 1835 01:18:13,143 --> 01:18:15,186 that got all kinds of eating disorders, 1836 01:18:15,187 --> 01:18:16,604 and with men it's the opposite. 1837 01:18:16,605 --> 01:18:18,523 They get the Adonis complex. 1838 01:18:18,524 --> 01:18:20,732 And then there's all kinds of trouble ahead 1839 01:18:20,734 --> 01:18:23,693 'cause you have all these kids who are like you and me when we were young 1840 01:18:23,695 --> 01:18:26,404 looking at all these people and they're perfect. 1841 01:18:26,406 --> 01:18:29,365 And how does that make somebody feel who's not as perfect 1842 01:18:29,366 --> 01:18:30,700 as the people they're seeing? Not very good. 1843 01:18:32,244 --> 01:18:34,286 So this stuff I've tried-- 1844 01:18:34,287 --> 01:18:35,871 loaded with sugar. 1845 01:18:35,872 --> 01:18:38,665 I've tried this. I've tried this. 1846 01:18:38,667 --> 01:18:39,917 Of course I've tried this. 1847 01:18:39,918 --> 01:18:41,501 Everybody I think's tried muscle milk. 1848 01:18:41,503 --> 01:18:43,295 I've tried this. I've tried this. 1849 01:18:43,296 --> 01:18:45,005 I've tried all these drinks. 1850 01:18:45,006 --> 01:18:47,923 If speed stack weren't enough, you have extreme speed stack. 1851 01:18:47,924 --> 01:18:50,050 The supplement industry is very unregulated. 1852 01:18:50,052 --> 01:18:51,969 You don't have to have F.D.A. approval 1853 01:18:51,970 --> 01:18:53,679 To come out with a dietary supplement. 1854 01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,847 That gives people room to come out 1855 01:18:55,849 --> 01:18:58,225 with some lower-quality products. 1856 01:18:58,226 --> 01:19:00,977 This product says "new legal formula" on it. 1857 01:19:00,978 --> 01:19:03,438 I don't know what the old formula really had in it. 1858 01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,314 "Belizean Man Vine Extract." 1859 01:19:05,315 --> 01:19:07,107 I don't want any part of that. 1860 01:19:07,109 --> 01:19:09,610 "Best if used by date and lot number on bottom of can." 1861 01:19:09,611 --> 01:19:10,902 Yeah. 1862 01:19:12,947 --> 01:19:14,780 I always thought the health industry 1863 01:19:14,782 --> 01:19:16,699 was about, you know, health. 1864 01:19:16,700 --> 01:19:18,785 Why does it feel like we're back in the wild west? 1865 01:19:18,786 --> 01:19:20,411 It'll clean your teeth and curl your hair! 1866 01:19:20,412 --> 01:19:21,828 The best in the west. 1867 01:19:21,829 --> 01:19:23,706 I wouldn't be dead without a bottle. 1868 01:19:23,707 --> 01:19:27,291 Well, we can all thank the senator from Utah, Orrin Hatch. 1869 01:19:27,293 --> 01:19:29,377 Look how good he looks. 1870 01:19:29,379 --> 01:19:31,671 I want to get his brand is what I want to do. 1871 01:19:31,672 --> 01:19:34,466 See, the health industry is big business in Utah. 1872 01:19:34,467 --> 01:19:37,843 They make almost a quarter of all the dietary supplements in America. 1873 01:19:37,844 --> 01:19:40,512 And supplements are a $24-billion industry. 1874 01:19:40,514 --> 01:19:42,472 So you do the math. 1875 01:19:42,473 --> 01:19:45,474 Making supplements used to be like making prescription drugs. 1876 01:19:45,476 --> 01:19:47,727 You had to prove your product was safe and effective 1877 01:19:47,728 --> 01:19:51,063 before you could sell it. Well, the supplement cowboys in Utah 1878 01:19:51,064 --> 01:19:53,190 thought that was a real hassle. 1879 01:19:53,191 --> 01:19:56,067 So they asked their favorite senator to change the rules around. 1880 01:19:56,068 --> 01:19:58,612 And now you don't have to prove your product is safe at all. 1881 01:19:58,613 --> 01:20:00,488 And the F.D.A. has to prove that it's not safe 1882 01:20:00,489 --> 01:20:02,949 If they want to take it off the market. 1883 01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:04,450 What is this red goop? 1884 01:20:04,451 --> 01:20:07,161 This is the Canadian version of redline. 1885 01:20:07,162 --> 01:20:10,664 We had to take out some of the ingredients that aren't legal in Canada. 1886 01:20:10,665 --> 01:20:14,000 Thanks to this deregulation, the supplement industry exploded 1887 01:20:14,001 --> 01:20:17,837 And all sorts of new and interesting people got in on the action. 1888 01:20:17,838 --> 01:20:19,922 We were always a good team, whether we were selling drugs 1889 01:20:19,923 --> 01:20:21,840 or whether we were selling a supplement like we are now. 1890 01:20:21,842 --> 01:20:24,801 "Jekyll & Hyde" supplements, formulated to awaken your other side. 1891 01:20:24,803 --> 01:20:27,095 Take this and all of a sudden you become the freak, the monster. 1892 01:20:27,096 --> 01:20:29,097 Everybody wants to become a monster. 1893 01:20:29,098 --> 01:20:32,017 If Valentino can make a supplement I bet anyone can do it. 1894 01:20:32,018 --> 01:20:33,809 Hola. 1895 01:20:33,810 --> 01:20:36,479 - How many guys you need? - I need two guys. 1896 01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:38,355 - We're making dietary supplements. - Uh-huh. 1897 01:20:38,356 --> 01:20:40,566 And I just need a hand with a couple things. It'd be really easy. 1898 01:20:42,944 --> 01:20:44,778 All I need you guys to do is take the white-- 1899 01:20:44,779 --> 01:20:45,612 Put inside? Boom. 1900 01:20:48,616 --> 01:20:51,658 First you buy a bunch of really popular ingredients. 1901 01:20:51,660 --> 01:20:53,619 But the trick is I'm just gonna use 1902 01:20:53,621 --> 01:20:55,954 - a tiny amount of each one. - Oof. 1903 01:20:55,955 --> 01:20:59,374 It's what we like to call in the supplement biz "pixie dusting." 1904 01:20:59,375 --> 01:21:01,209 See, I can hide my secret formula 1905 01:21:01,210 --> 01:21:03,211 behind the term "proprietary blend" 1906 01:21:03,212 --> 01:21:05,254 and not reveal that it's pretty much 1907 01:21:05,256 --> 01:21:07,965 just a pillful of rice flour. 1908 01:21:07,967 --> 01:21:10,968 It's a good way to make a lot of money. 1909 01:21:10,969 --> 01:21:13,304 Don't sneeze in the supplements here. 1910 01:21:15,265 --> 01:21:17,891 But with all those expensive ingredients on the label 1911 01:21:17,892 --> 01:21:20,476 I can make this bottle for about a buck 40 1912 01:21:20,478 --> 01:21:22,728 and sell it for $60. 1913 01:21:22,729 --> 01:21:25,105 Thanks, Orrin. 1914 01:21:25,106 --> 01:21:27,232 We're in the supplement business now. 1915 01:21:27,233 --> 01:21:30,234 The scary part is that everything I just did is by the book-- 1916 01:21:30,235 --> 01:21:32,863 Well, except for the illegal-immigrant day laborers. 1917 01:21:32,864 --> 01:21:36,074 But hey, nobody's regulating them either. 1918 01:21:36,075 --> 01:21:38,576 Now I just need a misleading advertisement. 1919 01:21:38,577 --> 01:21:41,035 Do you airbrush these guys a lot when you put them in magazines? 1920 01:21:41,037 --> 01:21:43,288 Definitely. There's all kinds of techniques and tools 1921 01:21:43,289 --> 01:21:45,665 you can use to completely manipulate the body. 1922 01:21:45,666 --> 01:21:48,460 - Really? - In fact, some of the "before" and "after" pictures-- 1923 01:21:48,461 --> 01:21:50,712 They could be done on the same day. 1924 01:21:50,713 --> 01:21:52,379 You haven't shot them in the same day, though, have you? 1925 01:21:52,381 --> 01:21:54,382 - I have, actually. - Oh, you have? 1926 01:21:54,383 --> 01:21:56,300 - Yeah. - What do they do--? 1927 01:21:56,301 --> 01:21:58,969 Is this the self-editing part? I should keep my mouth shut? 1928 01:21:58,970 --> 01:22:01,012 I could take anybody and take a picture of them, 1929 01:22:01,013 --> 01:22:02,304 make them look their worst... 1930 01:22:02,306 --> 01:22:05,015 think horrible thoughts, depression. 1931 01:22:07,103 --> 01:22:09,352 ...and then through all kinds of ways 1932 01:22:09,354 --> 01:22:10,812 make them look their best. 1933 01:22:10,813 --> 01:22:13,148 Just don't cut my nipple off. 1934 01:22:16,110 --> 01:22:18,110 Agh! 1935 01:22:19,321 --> 01:22:21,447 All right. Let me see here. Good. 1936 01:22:21,449 --> 01:22:23,241 One, two, three. 1937 01:22:23,242 --> 01:22:24,742 Good. 1938 01:22:24,743 --> 01:22:26,452 We can take it a step further if we want 1939 01:22:26,453 --> 01:22:28,287 in the befores and the afters. 1940 01:22:28,288 --> 01:22:29,913 Basically, you can take somebody 1941 01:22:29,914 --> 01:22:31,665 and make them a little fatter or shorter. 1942 01:22:31,666 --> 01:22:33,166 Are people falling for this? 1943 01:22:33,167 --> 01:22:35,085 They fall for it all the time. 1944 01:22:35,086 --> 01:22:37,837 And it's beyond what I can understand 1945 01:22:37,838 --> 01:22:39,839 because it looks so silly to me, 1946 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:41,924 but of course I'm somebody who's had sort of an inside, 1947 01:22:41,925 --> 01:22:44,467 backstage pass to what's really occurred, 1948 01:22:44,469 --> 01:22:47,303 and I've been part of some of these scams that have played out. 1949 01:22:47,304 --> 01:22:49,431 So if unregulated dietary supplements 1950 01:22:49,432 --> 01:22:51,307 are marketed like steroids 1951 01:22:51,308 --> 01:22:53,851 and sold by people who are on steroids, 1952 01:22:53,853 --> 01:22:56,937 is it any wonder that so many people are just taking the real thing? 1953 01:22:56,938 --> 01:22:59,397 I mean, it's not like they're hard to get. 1954 01:22:59,398 --> 01:23:02,650 You can cross the border and buy them from a pet store in Mexico. 1955 01:23:02,652 --> 01:23:05,361 Testosterona, $15. 1956 01:23:05,363 --> 01:23:06,779 But it's for your dog, right? 1957 01:23:06,780 --> 01:23:08,488 Oh, it's for my dog. Yeah, I forgot. 1958 01:23:08,490 --> 01:23:10,783 Yeah yeah, my dog's anemic. 1959 01:23:10,784 --> 01:23:13,077 Or you can buy them on the internet like Mad Dog. 1960 01:23:13,078 --> 01:23:15,579 If you order online you can get the shit for $250 a kit 1961 01:23:15,580 --> 01:23:18,956 Instead of paying somebody on the black market $500 or $600 for a kit. 1962 01:23:18,957 --> 01:23:21,876 Or, if you have enough money, you can get it legally. 1963 01:23:21,877 --> 01:23:25,629 This is the annual convention for the anti-aging medicine-- 1964 01:23:25,630 --> 01:23:29,257 Booth after booth of all the taboo performance-enhancing drugs. 1965 01:23:29,259 --> 01:23:32,511 Stanozolol-- hey, that's what Ben Johnson used. 1966 01:23:32,512 --> 01:23:35,888 Nandrolone-- isn't that what Shawne Merriman got caught with? 1967 01:23:35,889 --> 01:23:37,473 Oh, and human growth hormone-- 1968 01:23:37,474 --> 01:23:39,641 They say Marion Jones was taking that. 1969 01:23:39,643 --> 01:23:41,769 Human growth hormone usage 1970 01:23:41,770 --> 01:23:43,896 has been rampant in baseball and other sports. 1971 01:23:43,897 --> 01:23:46,064 Athletes use H.G.H. because it works 1972 01:23:46,066 --> 01:23:48,775 A lot like anabolic steroids. And the best part is, 1973 01:23:48,777 --> 01:23:51,986 there's no way to test for it. Here's how you get it. 1974 01:23:51,987 --> 01:23:53,862 First you go to your anti-aging doctor. 1975 01:23:53,863 --> 01:23:56,489 Now the doctor might not be a medical doctor. 1976 01:23:56,491 --> 01:23:58,992 Like in my case-- he's a chiropractor. 1977 01:23:58,993 --> 01:24:01,244 And chiropractors can't prescribe drugs, 1978 01:24:01,245 --> 01:24:03,621 but that's okay. He just has another doctor 1979 01:24:03,622 --> 01:24:05,540 write the prescriptions for him. 1980 01:24:05,541 --> 01:24:08,542 But be careful-- prescribing hormones for anti-aging 1981 01:24:08,543 --> 01:24:12,421 is a felony. So you can't exactly tell your anti-aging doctor 1982 01:24:12,423 --> 01:24:14,422 that you're interested in anti-aging. 1983 01:24:14,424 --> 01:24:16,758 Not to worry, though-- just use the words 1984 01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:18,927 "hormone deficiency" instead. 1985 01:24:18,928 --> 01:24:21,053 First thing, doc will want to do a little physical. 1986 01:24:21,054 --> 01:24:22,430 Aagh. 1987 01:24:24,058 --> 01:24:26,225 Do you have people come to you to try to get steroids? 1988 01:24:26,226 --> 01:24:28,393 Absolutely. But prescribing steroids-- 1989 01:24:28,395 --> 01:24:30,896 That's not what we do, not at all. 1990 01:24:30,897 --> 01:24:33,523 Mm-hmm. But it kind of is what you do 1991 01:24:33,524 --> 01:24:35,441 in a way, in a different way. 1992 01:24:35,443 --> 01:24:37,485 Next you're gonna get a urine test 1993 01:24:37,486 --> 01:24:39,570 to check your hormone levels for 24 hours. 1994 01:24:39,571 --> 01:24:42,782 That's a take-home test-- you know, scout's honor. 1995 01:24:42,783 --> 01:24:46,493 Send in the test and a week later go get your results. 1996 01:24:46,494 --> 01:24:48,620 We got your labs back here-- 1997 01:24:48,621 --> 01:24:50,955 Urinary growth hormone output. 1998 01:24:50,956 --> 01:24:53,041 But here's the thing-- since the F.D.A. 1999 01:24:53,042 --> 01:24:55,625 has never defined what a hormone deficiency really is, 2000 01:24:55,627 --> 01:24:59,004 Well, doc can pretty much interpret the results however he wants. 2001 01:24:59,005 --> 01:25:00,922 You're a little bit low, coming down. 2002 01:25:00,924 --> 01:25:02,632 I'm gonna bring those levels up to optimal. 2003 01:25:02,633 --> 01:25:04,801 Now it may seem strange 2004 01:25:04,802 --> 01:25:06,719 that the most controversial drugs in America 2005 01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,554 are being prescribed using take-home tests, 2006 01:25:08,555 --> 01:25:11,765 and in my case by a doctor I never met, 2007 01:25:11,766 --> 01:25:14,226 but hey, at least I'm not the one breaking the law. 2008 01:25:14,227 --> 01:25:16,019 Why don't you just get it legally? 2009 01:25:16,021 --> 01:25:19,730 Um, I like getting it the way I get it. 2010 01:25:19,732 --> 01:25:21,608 It's cheap and I can get it 2011 01:25:21,609 --> 01:25:23,860 anytime I want. 2012 01:25:23,861 --> 01:25:26,778 And I don't think there's any real reason for me to-- 2013 01:25:26,780 --> 01:25:28,572 I mean, I don't want to go to a doctor. 2014 01:25:28,573 --> 01:25:30,032 That's a pain in the ass. 2015 01:25:30,033 --> 01:25:31,866 You ever worry about getting arrested 2016 01:25:31,868 --> 01:25:33,744 or cops coming after you or anything like that? 2017 01:25:33,745 --> 01:25:35,704 I'm not all that concerned about it. 2018 01:25:35,705 --> 01:25:38,206 You can justify anything to yourself. 2019 01:25:38,207 --> 01:25:40,291 And once you've justified it to yourself 2020 01:25:40,292 --> 01:25:44,044 then you just think it's cool. You think it's okay. 2021 01:25:44,045 --> 01:25:46,004 So in my mind it's okay. 2022 01:25:46,005 --> 01:25:48,423 I pose the question to people, say, 2023 01:25:48,425 --> 01:25:52,969 "hey, if you had to take a drug 2024 01:25:52,970 --> 01:25:55,554 with the side effects-- known side effects 2025 01:25:55,555 --> 01:25:58,140 and the unknown effects of the anabolic steroids 2026 01:25:58,141 --> 01:26:01,101 To keep your job right now 2027 01:26:01,102 --> 01:26:04,438 and support your family, would you do it?" 2028 01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,481 Maintaining an erection is very easy to do 2029 01:26:07,483 --> 01:26:10,067 with the appropriate chemical assistance. 2030 01:26:10,069 --> 01:26:13,446 Liquid Viagra injected into the penis. 2031 01:26:13,447 --> 01:26:15,072 You inject this in your penis? 2032 01:26:15,073 --> 01:26:16,532 Yep. 2033 01:26:16,533 --> 01:26:19,118 - Does it hurt? - Um, not really. 2034 01:26:19,119 --> 01:26:20,910 It's not just athletes and porn stars 2035 01:26:20,911 --> 01:26:22,620 Taking performance-enhancing drugs. 2036 01:26:22,621 --> 01:26:24,663 Just about everybody's in on the action. 2037 01:26:24,664 --> 01:26:27,499 Probably the most common thing is what we call go-pills. 2038 01:26:27,500 --> 01:26:29,126 There's probably different kinds, 2039 01:26:29,128 --> 01:26:31,086 but dextramphetamine is the big one. 2040 01:26:31,087 --> 01:26:33,339 They work wonders, they really do, especially if you've been 2041 01:26:33,340 --> 01:26:35,382 out there a long time and it's hard to stay focused. 2042 01:26:35,383 --> 01:26:37,133 What about you? 2043 01:26:37,134 --> 01:26:39,802 Yeah, they'll spin you right up. 2044 01:26:39,803 --> 01:26:42,221 Many parents may not be aware that their children 2045 01:26:42,223 --> 01:26:44,890 are taking a drug by the name of Adderall 2046 01:26:44,891 --> 01:26:47,559 to improve their academic performance. 2047 01:26:47,561 --> 01:26:50,228 Adderall is a powerful stimulant 2048 01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:52,773 very much like cocaine 2049 01:26:52,774 --> 01:26:54,356 or methamphetamine. 2050 01:26:54,357 --> 01:26:56,150 It's not just for people who have problems. 2051 01:26:56,151 --> 01:26:58,486 People who think completely fine-- I've taken Adderall 2052 01:26:58,487 --> 01:27:00,529 in college here and there to write a paper. 2053 01:27:00,531 --> 01:27:02,280 And I said, "this is a fun way to write a paper." 2054 01:27:02,282 --> 01:27:04,783 Your test scores go up and you're 2055 01:27:04,784 --> 01:27:07,577 doing homework faster, so you can do more work. 2056 01:27:07,579 --> 01:27:09,954 All I did when I went to class-- my friends, should I talk to them? 2057 01:27:09,956 --> 01:27:11,581 Nope, hold on. And I'd be doing all my work. 2058 01:27:11,582 --> 01:27:13,374 And for every performance 2059 01:27:13,375 --> 01:27:15,793 there's a way to enhance it. 2060 01:27:15,794 --> 01:27:17,461 So you take beta-blockers to calm you down? 2061 01:27:17,462 --> 01:27:19,421 It actually doesn't calm me down. 2062 01:27:19,422 --> 01:27:21,381 It prevents me from getting nervous. 2063 01:27:21,382 --> 01:27:23,258 - Here we go. I was in college 2064 01:27:23,259 --> 01:27:25,926 and I was having really really bad problems with performance anxiety 2065 01:27:25,928 --> 01:27:28,887 and it was actually making me question what I was doing in the first place. 2066 01:27:28,889 --> 01:27:31,932 A friend gave me beta-blockers and I just couldn't believe it. 2067 01:27:31,933 --> 01:27:36,353 I felt like I could get up there and do exactly what I wanted to do 2068 01:27:36,354 --> 01:27:40,147 and I wasn't hindered by what my body was reacting to. 2069 01:27:42,692 --> 01:27:46,112 Blocking that adrenaline goes a long way 2070 01:27:46,113 --> 01:27:48,530 towards enhancing performance. 2071 01:27:48,532 --> 01:27:50,574 So it's okay to enhance your performance 2072 01:27:50,575 --> 01:27:53,160 if you're a pilot, a porn star, 2073 01:27:53,161 --> 01:27:55,286 a musician or a student, 2074 01:27:55,287 --> 01:27:57,579 but if your job is to play professional baseball, 2075 01:27:57,581 --> 01:27:59,415 well, somehow that makes you a cheater. 2076 01:28:02,585 --> 01:28:04,878 Do you feel it's cheating? 2077 01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,381 Not at all. Oh, no, certainly not. 2078 01:28:07,382 --> 01:28:09,549 There is no competition in music. 2079 01:28:09,550 --> 01:28:11,884 You know, this is completely unlike sports. 2080 01:28:11,885 --> 01:28:14,052 What about in an audition situation? 2081 01:28:14,054 --> 01:28:16,388 - Is there competition there? - Yeah, there is. 2082 01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:20,725 And, you know, a lot of people take 'em 2083 01:28:20,727 --> 01:28:23,103 and I don't see that there's a problem with it. 2084 01:28:23,104 --> 01:28:25,896 Was there any sort of moral bridge to cross when you did it? 2085 01:28:25,897 --> 01:28:27,190 Well, we're in the porn business. 2086 01:28:27,191 --> 01:28:29,108 There's not a whole lot of morals to begin with. 2087 01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:32,027 Amphetamines in baseball-- they actually take the same pill 2088 01:28:32,028 --> 01:28:33,779 - As a go-pill. - Yeah, I've heard that. 2089 01:28:33,780 --> 01:28:36,073 In the clubhouse they're called greenies. 2090 01:28:36,074 --> 01:28:38,074 And some in the game say they could be 2091 01:28:38,075 --> 01:28:39,783 more common than steroids. 2092 01:28:39,785 --> 01:28:41,786 In sports you should play fair. 2093 01:28:41,787 --> 01:28:45,580 In war you shouldn't play fair at all. 2094 01:28:45,582 --> 01:28:47,666 I've got some men on a road 2095 01:28:47,668 --> 01:28:50,418 And it looks like a piece of artillery firing at us. 2096 01:28:50,420 --> 01:28:52,671 I am rolling in in self-defense. 2097 01:28:52,672 --> 01:28:54,131 Shaq! 2098 01:28:54,132 --> 01:28:56,840 In 2002 over Afghanistan 2099 01:28:56,842 --> 01:28:59,301 two American pilots on go-pills 2100 01:28:59,303 --> 01:29:01,429 bombed a group of friendly Canadians. 2101 01:29:01,430 --> 01:29:03,013 I hope that was the right thing to do. 2102 01:29:03,015 --> 01:29:04,556 ME too. 2103 01:29:04,557 --> 01:29:07,475 Four Canadian soldiers were killed. 2104 01:29:07,477 --> 01:29:10,353 Doctors say the pilots' snap judgment to open fire 2105 01:29:10,354 --> 01:29:12,814 Is typical of someone on speed. 2106 01:29:12,815 --> 01:29:14,982 The pilots were charged with manslaughter, 2107 01:29:14,983 --> 01:29:16,567 But they blamed their go-pills 2108 01:29:16,568 --> 01:29:18,569 and the charges were dropped. 2109 01:29:18,570 --> 01:29:20,361 No other country in the world 2110 01:29:20,363 --> 01:29:22,489 allows amphetamines in their Air Force, 2111 01:29:22,490 --> 01:29:24,491 But in America we require it. 2112 01:29:27,787 --> 01:29:30,663 You know, America is a very competitive place 2113 01:29:30,664 --> 01:29:33,123 and people will take advantage of really anything they can 2114 01:29:33,124 --> 01:29:35,125 in order to help themselves in that struggle. 2115 01:29:35,126 --> 01:29:37,127 I hate to say it, the amount of beta-blockers 2116 01:29:37,128 --> 01:29:39,462 that they've got me on right now-- California traffic 2117 01:29:39,463 --> 01:29:41,964 - doesn't bother me anymore. - Really? 2118 01:29:41,965 --> 01:29:43,674 It's too easy to get it from a doctor. 2119 01:29:43,675 --> 01:29:45,384 You say, "I can't focus in class" 2120 01:29:45,385 --> 01:29:47,386 And the doctor prescribes it automatically. 2121 01:29:47,387 --> 01:29:49,804 And when you got Adderall you just went to the doctor? 2122 01:29:49,806 --> 01:29:52,849 No, it's just passed around at school. 2123 01:29:52,850 --> 01:29:54,809 - It's passed around at school? - Passed around at school. 2124 01:29:54,810 --> 01:29:56,727 You turn on your T.V. 2125 01:29:56,729 --> 01:29:59,271 And we push drugs, right? 2126 01:29:59,272 --> 01:30:01,357 If you have a headache-- use this. 2127 01:30:01,358 --> 01:30:03,900 If you have a pain in your side-- use that. 2128 01:30:03,902 --> 01:30:06,111 If you want to go to sleep-- use this. 2129 01:30:06,113 --> 01:30:07,613 If you want to wake up-- use that. 2130 01:30:07,614 --> 01:30:10,072 We are the only country in the world 2131 01:30:10,074 --> 01:30:13,409 that permits drugs of that kind 2132 01:30:13,411 --> 01:30:16,370 to be advertised directly to the consumer. 2133 01:30:16,372 --> 01:30:18,623 The American pharmaceutical industry 2134 01:30:18,624 --> 01:30:21,041 spends almost $5 billion a year on advertising. 2135 01:30:21,042 --> 01:30:25,419 And we in turn spend $250 billion on their drugs. 2136 01:30:25,421 --> 01:30:28,047 That's more than any other country by far. 2137 01:30:28,048 --> 01:30:30,675 Are we the most unhealthy people in the world 2138 01:30:30,676 --> 01:30:32,176 Or do we just watch too much T.V.? 2139 01:30:34,430 --> 01:30:37,181 Everybody's on a drug. So why because I'm on a drug 2140 01:30:37,182 --> 01:30:39,224 does everybody have to point a finger at me? 2141 01:30:39,225 --> 01:30:41,434 - Why am I the bad guy? - 'Cause you're on steroids. 2142 01:30:41,435 --> 01:30:46,063 And steroids are bad. 2143 01:30:48,399 --> 01:30:50,317 To help children make right choices 2144 01:30:50,318 --> 01:30:53,111 they need good examples. 2145 01:30:53,113 --> 01:30:57,615 Athletics play such an important role in our society, 2146 01:30:57,616 --> 01:31:00,243 but unfortunately, some in professional sports 2147 01:31:00,244 --> 01:31:02,369 are not setting much of an example. 2148 01:31:02,370 --> 01:31:04,830 Long before George Bush was the President 2149 01:31:04,831 --> 01:31:07,875 he was the owner of the Texas Rangers, a major league baseball team 2150 01:31:07,876 --> 01:31:11,169 With none other than Jose Canseco on the roster. 2151 01:31:11,171 --> 01:31:14,213 Do you think that the team trainers, 2152 01:31:14,214 --> 01:31:17,466 The managers, the general managers and even the owners 2153 01:31:17,467 --> 01:31:19,593 might have been aware 2154 01:31:19,595 --> 01:31:21,887 that some players were using steroids? 2155 01:31:21,888 --> 01:31:25,307 No doubt in my mind. Absolutely. 2156 01:31:25,308 --> 01:31:27,266 So did the President know 2157 01:31:27,268 --> 01:31:29,644 that his players were on the juice? 2158 01:31:29,645 --> 01:31:31,937 You've admitted to using steroids in the past. 2159 01:31:31,938 --> 01:31:34,607 Knowing what you know now about them, 2160 01:31:34,608 --> 01:31:37,191 - would you have done it? - Yeah, absolutely. 2161 01:31:37,193 --> 01:31:39,028 The National Football League has talked more 2162 01:31:39,029 --> 01:31:40,987 about steroid testing or human growth hormone. 2163 01:31:40,989 --> 01:31:42,405 And I know back in your day 2164 01:31:42,406 --> 01:31:44,114 you've admitted that you did that. 2165 01:31:44,116 --> 01:31:46,158 Your stand on that right now? 2166 01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:49,119 I think it's good to do doping tests 2167 01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,121 and the trick obviously to find a way 2168 01:31:51,122 --> 01:31:52,664 of really doing true testing. 2169 01:31:52,665 --> 01:31:55,375 I think that we have to do something 2170 01:31:55,376 --> 01:31:57,543 about the drug use in sports. 2171 01:31:57,544 --> 01:32:01,923 And I think it does send the wrong message to our children. 2172 01:32:01,924 --> 01:32:05,008 So Arnold wants to crack down on steroids, 2173 01:32:05,010 --> 01:32:07,427 but every year he sponsors his own bodybuilding show, 2174 01:32:07,428 --> 01:32:09,179 The Arnold Classic. 2175 01:32:09,180 --> 01:32:10,680 And they don't drug-test at all. 2176 01:32:10,682 --> 01:32:12,849 Isn't it unbelievable, the shape these guys are in, 2177 01:32:12,850 --> 01:32:14,642 I mean, how ripped they are, how bid they are, 2178 01:32:14,644 --> 01:32:17,478 how cut they are, their posing routine and everything? 2179 01:32:17,480 --> 01:32:19,897 I'm so proud of them. I tell you, it is really amazing. 2180 01:32:19,898 --> 01:32:21,773 This year Governor Schwarzenegger 2181 01:32:21,774 --> 01:32:24,193 handed over the winning trophy to Victor Martinez, 2182 01:32:24,194 --> 01:32:26,402 a guy who was busted for selling steroids 2183 01:32:26,404 --> 01:32:27,987 just a couple of years ago. 2184 01:32:27,988 --> 01:32:29,989 And a few days before this competition 2185 01:32:29,991 --> 01:32:33,242 he was implicated in another steroid scandal. 2186 01:32:33,243 --> 01:32:35,160 The bodybuilder who won a competition 2187 01:32:35,161 --> 01:32:37,746 sponsored by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger this past weekend 2188 01:32:37,747 --> 01:32:39,831 has been linked to a steroid investigation. 2189 01:32:39,832 --> 01:32:42,376 A spokesman for the Governor says Schwarzenegger did not know 2190 01:32:42,377 --> 01:32:44,627 of Martinez's links to steroids. 2191 01:32:44,628 --> 01:32:47,505 Come on, Arnold, what do you mean you didn't know? 2192 01:32:47,506 --> 01:32:49,381 Okay, let's compare. 2193 01:32:49,382 --> 01:32:52,092 Here's Arnold Schwarzenegger when he was on steroids-- 2194 01:32:52,093 --> 01:32:55,970 6'2", 235 lbs. 2195 01:32:55,972 --> 01:32:58,055 And here's Victor Martinez, 2196 01:32:58,056 --> 01:33:01,267 seven inches shorter and 15 lbs heavier. 2197 01:33:01,269 --> 01:33:03,645 Give him a big hand, come on, a big hand. 2198 01:33:03,646 --> 01:33:05,562 You know, I've been calling Arnold's office 2199 01:33:05,563 --> 01:33:07,273 For over a year to get an interview, 2200 01:33:07,274 --> 01:33:09,358 but his people keep telling me 2201 01:33:09,359 --> 01:33:11,651 that his position on steroids is very clear. 2202 01:33:11,652 --> 01:33:13,486 So the only way to get an answer 2203 01:33:13,487 --> 01:33:15,321 was to track him down myself 2204 01:33:15,322 --> 01:33:17,198 at a place I knew he would show up-- 2205 01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:19,158 Muscle Beach. 2206 01:33:19,159 --> 01:33:22,202 It was just a few weeks before the Governor's reelection 2207 01:33:22,204 --> 01:33:25,163 And Arnold went to where he knew he could depend on support 2208 01:33:25,165 --> 01:33:27,164 to cement his voting base. 2209 01:33:27,166 --> 01:33:30,252 This was my big chance. I waited for hours. 2210 01:33:30,253 --> 01:33:32,711 And finally there he was. 2211 01:33:32,713 --> 01:33:34,755 And there was this other guy, 2212 01:33:34,756 --> 01:33:37,382 the tall guy, the one in the middle. He saw me. 2213 01:33:37,383 --> 01:33:40,009 This is how politics work these days. 2214 01:33:40,011 --> 01:33:42,804 The important thing when making an appearance is the photo op. 2215 01:33:42,805 --> 01:33:44,889 The tall guy's gonna nod at me. 2216 01:33:44,890 --> 01:33:46,975 Then he's gonna point Arnold in my direction. 2217 01:33:46,976 --> 01:33:50,686 Arnold, his instincts honed by years of being a huge star, 2218 01:33:50,687 --> 01:33:53,564 instantly sizes up the situation, 2219 01:33:53,565 --> 01:33:55,440 notices the various cameras 2220 01:33:55,441 --> 01:33:58,151 and decides to use me to further his reelection bid. 2221 01:33:58,152 --> 01:34:01,779 Look at those arms. Look at those arms. 2222 01:34:01,781 --> 01:34:04,198 And instead of talking about steroids 2223 01:34:04,199 --> 01:34:05,949 and the cheating culture of America, 2224 01:34:05,950 --> 01:34:07,951 he compliments me on my biceps 2225 01:34:07,952 --> 01:34:09,911 and we end up on the cover of the L.A. "Times." 2226 01:34:09,912 --> 01:34:11,830 There he is. Oh my God. 2227 01:34:11,831 --> 01:34:13,582 Not that I mind. 2228 01:34:13,583 --> 01:34:15,708 After all, it was kind of like a dream come true. 2229 01:34:15,709 --> 01:34:18,085 Son of a bitch. 2230 01:34:18,086 --> 01:34:21,881 But I still have all these unanswered questions. 2231 01:34:21,882 --> 01:34:23,673 Let me tell you this, first of all-- 2232 01:34:23,675 --> 01:34:27,177 You can't knock Arnold really, okay? 2233 01:34:27,178 --> 01:34:30,305 Because the steroids didn't get him into that office that he's in. 2234 01:34:30,306 --> 01:34:32,181 But he basically comes out and he says, 2235 01:34:32,182 --> 01:34:34,892 "if you work hard and you play by the rules 2236 01:34:34,893 --> 01:34:37,019 this country is truly open to you. 2237 01:34:37,021 --> 01:34:39,438 You can achieve anything." but did he get to where he is 2238 01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,565 playing by the rules? Or would he have ever even been famous 2239 01:34:42,566 --> 01:34:44,401 had he not taken those drugs? 2240 01:34:44,402 --> 01:34:46,277 Well, let's look at it this way-- 2241 01:34:46,278 --> 01:34:48,404 Let's talk about other heroes. 2242 01:34:48,406 --> 01:34:51,740 Let's talk about John Kennedy. He was a hero in the Navy. 2243 01:34:51,741 --> 01:34:54,994 John Kennedy served as the President of the United States. 2244 01:34:54,995 --> 01:34:58,622 But John Kennedy cheated on his wife right in the White House 2245 01:34:58,623 --> 01:35:01,917 with Marilyn Monroe and who knows how many others, okay? 2246 01:35:01,918 --> 01:35:04,210 It's no different than biblical characters. 2247 01:35:04,211 --> 01:35:07,462 Moses was a hero but Moses was a heel. 2248 01:35:07,463 --> 01:35:09,256 He didn't get into the Promised Land. 2249 01:35:09,257 --> 01:35:11,341 He didn't do what God told him to do. 2250 01:35:11,342 --> 01:35:15,053 David was a hero-- King David was a hero, 2251 01:35:15,054 --> 01:35:17,722 But David was a heel. He chased every woman 2252 01:35:17,724 --> 01:35:19,682 in a skirt, or in a toga, 2253 01:35:19,683 --> 01:35:21,183 or whatever they wore back then. 2254 01:35:21,184 --> 01:35:23,727 Every man is fallible 2255 01:35:23,728 --> 01:35:25,854 and even the people 2256 01:35:25,855 --> 01:35:28,064 who were the prime examples 2257 01:35:28,065 --> 01:35:30,066 of how to run your life in the bible 2258 01:35:30,067 --> 01:35:32,902 screwed up. They all screwed up. 2259 01:35:32,903 --> 01:35:35,363 So people need to get off their 2260 01:35:35,364 --> 01:35:38,449 self-righteous soapboxes 2261 01:35:38,450 --> 01:35:40,284 and start loving each other. 2262 01:35:40,285 --> 01:35:42,661 We just need to go out there and do our jobs, 2263 01:35:42,662 --> 01:35:46,080 just as you professionals do your job. 2264 01:35:46,082 --> 01:35:48,624 All of you guys lied. 2265 01:35:48,625 --> 01:35:50,626 All of y'all 2266 01:35:50,628 --> 01:35:52,754 in a story or whatever have lied. 2267 01:35:52,755 --> 01:35:55,547 Should you have an asterisk behind your name? 2268 01:35:55,548 --> 01:35:57,549 All of you have lied. 2269 01:35:57,550 --> 01:35:59,550 All of you have said something wrong. 2270 01:35:59,552 --> 01:36:02,470 All of you have dirt, all of you. 2271 01:36:02,471 --> 01:36:04,472 When your closet's clean 2272 01:36:04,473 --> 01:36:06,473 then come clean somebody else's. 2273 01:36:06,475 --> 01:36:08,851 But clean yours first. 2274 01:36:08,852 --> 01:36:10,894 Hi. How are you? 2275 01:36:10,895 --> 01:36:12,438 The last name is Bell, B-E-L-L. 2276 01:36:15,066 --> 01:36:17,650 I took the oath to serve you. 2277 01:36:17,651 --> 01:36:22,070 I say to everyone here today and to all Californians, 2278 01:36:22,072 --> 01:36:24,365 I will not forget my oath 2279 01:36:24,366 --> 01:36:26,241 And I will not forget you. 2280 01:36:31,163 --> 01:36:33,832 A few months after I voted for Arnold 2281 01:36:33,833 --> 01:36:35,875 his people told Gold's Gym 2282 01:36:35,876 --> 01:36:37,460 to remove all of his images. 2283 01:36:46,886 --> 01:36:49,470 What is the meaning of this? 2284 01:36:49,471 --> 01:36:52,056 It's a dark day in Gold's Gym. 2285 01:36:52,057 --> 01:36:54,392 They're taking down Arnold's poster. 2286 01:36:54,393 --> 01:36:56,643 Do you have a lot of respect for Arnold? Is he one of your heroes? 2287 01:36:56,644 --> 01:36:59,187 Well, he was until he took his shit down. 2288 01:36:59,189 --> 01:37:00,689 You know, that guy's a traitor, man. 2289 01:37:06,069 --> 01:37:08,279 The gym feels different now. 2290 01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:10,280 The old Arnold's gone 2291 01:37:10,281 --> 01:37:12,282 and somehow this time 2292 01:37:12,284 --> 01:37:14,033 I don't think he'll be back. 2293 01:37:17,579 --> 01:37:20,331 So you're excited to be out here instead of in Poughkeepsie? 2294 01:37:20,333 --> 01:37:22,124 Hell yeah, man. I got a job making 2295 01:37:22,125 --> 01:37:23,917 three times as much money and my rent's just about the same 2296 01:37:23,919 --> 01:37:25,627 and I'm right by the beach and I got a convertible. 2297 01:37:25,628 --> 01:37:28,338 Right here next to the mirror, honey. 2298 01:37:28,339 --> 01:37:29,630 Put a little muscle in it. 2299 01:37:29,632 --> 01:37:32,466 Here you go. - Higher. 2300 01:37:32,468 --> 01:37:35,136 So what do you plan on doing here that you weren't doing in Poughkeepsie? 2301 01:37:35,137 --> 01:37:37,471 Jeez, like having fun with life instead of hating life. 2302 01:37:37,472 --> 01:37:40,640 Think it'll help you with your problems and stuff? 2303 01:37:40,642 --> 01:37:42,518 Absolutely. I feel better already. 2304 01:37:42,519 --> 01:37:44,519 Now that Mad Dog's in California, 2305 01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,438 Things seem to be going pretty good for him. 2306 01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:50,233 He got a job working as a trainer at a local wrestling school. 2307 01:37:50,234 --> 01:37:52,234 Got you! Now if I want to take it here-- 2308 01:37:52,235 --> 01:37:53,986 Keep your face up, keep your face up. 2309 01:37:53,988 --> 01:37:56,405 He'd actually make a great teacher, 2310 01:37:56,406 --> 01:37:58,324 but that's not good enough for Mad Dog. 2311 01:37:58,325 --> 01:38:00,783 He still wants to be a superstar. 2312 01:38:00,785 --> 01:38:03,995 So this Sunday night, pay per view, Madison Square Garden! 2313 01:38:03,997 --> 01:38:06,831 Hell's Henrys will toll for you. 2314 01:38:09,417 --> 01:38:13,128 Just not-- I'm sick, though, dude. 2315 01:38:13,129 --> 01:38:15,672 Mad Dog sent his promo to the W.W.E., 2316 01:38:15,673 --> 01:38:18,383 but they rejected him again. 2317 01:38:18,384 --> 01:38:20,510 They said he's too old 2318 01:38:20,511 --> 01:38:22,595 and not what they're looking for right now. 2319 01:38:22,596 --> 01:38:25,056 You know, I want to believe that the world is good, 2320 01:38:25,057 --> 01:38:28,225 but it's not. And I want to try hard, 2321 01:38:28,226 --> 01:38:29,851 but why try when you can't win? 2322 01:38:29,853 --> 01:38:31,936 Those who can't do, train. 2323 01:38:31,937 --> 01:38:34,647 It's just I never understood why I didn't, 2324 01:38:34,648 --> 01:38:36,566 you know? 2325 01:38:36,567 --> 01:38:39,402 What's the problem with just being a normal guy? 2326 01:38:39,403 --> 01:38:41,070 What's wrong with just being normal? 2327 01:38:41,071 --> 01:38:43,196 There's nothing wrong with it. 2328 01:38:43,197 --> 01:38:45,198 Well, actually, there is something wrong with it. 2329 01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:46,992 the thing that's wrong with it is 2330 01:38:46,993 --> 01:38:49,077 that I was born to attain greatness and I'm the only one 2331 01:38:49,078 --> 01:38:52,204 that's holding myself back. And I need to attain greatness. I need to do it. 2332 01:38:52,205 --> 01:38:54,665 You live down by the beach, you have a beautiful wife, 2333 01:38:54,666 --> 01:38:56,333 and nothing's ever good enough. 2334 01:38:56,335 --> 01:38:59,002 I can only imagine how she feels. 2335 01:38:59,003 --> 01:39:01,963 And do you ever think, 2336 01:39:01,964 --> 01:39:05,049 "why am I dragging somebody else in this?" 2337 01:39:05,050 --> 01:39:08,468 I know that a lot of times she's crying herself to sleep. 2338 01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:12,264 And I know that sometimes she doesn't glow 2339 01:39:12,265 --> 01:39:14,599 the way that she did when I first met her. 2340 01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:17,019 And I know it's my fault. 2341 01:39:17,020 --> 01:39:18,853 And it really tears me up. 2342 01:39:18,855 --> 01:39:20,521 Yeah. Well, I mean, 2343 01:39:20,522 --> 01:39:22,564 I worry every day that-- 2344 01:39:22,566 --> 01:39:24,817 What I worry about is you're gonna lose your job, 2345 01:39:24,818 --> 01:39:27,820 You're gonna lose your wife and then you're gonna lose yourself. 2346 01:39:27,821 --> 01:39:29,780 If I lose my job and my wife, what else do I have? 2347 01:39:32,742 --> 01:39:34,868 I just feel 2348 01:39:34,869 --> 01:39:37,370 that I have more to offer this world. 2349 01:39:37,371 --> 01:39:40,414 And I don't know exactly what it is 2350 01:39:40,415 --> 01:39:42,750 or how I'm gonna go about doing it. 2351 01:39:42,466 --> 01:39:45,091 I know there's something in here 2352 01:39:45,093 --> 01:39:47,843 That's meant for the rest of the world to know. 2353 01:39:52,807 --> 01:39:56,183 When you were kids 2354 01:39:56,184 --> 01:39:58,309 you all admired 2355 01:39:58,310 --> 01:40:00,686 the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, 2356 01:40:00,687 --> 01:40:04,813 big league ballplayers, the toughest boxers. 2357 01:40:04,814 --> 01:40:07,607 Americans love a winner 2358 01:40:07,609 --> 01:40:09,651 and will not tolerate a loser. 2359 01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:20,950 Smelly is now competing 2360 01:40:20,951 --> 01:40:23,077 against the best guys in the world 2361 01:40:23,078 --> 01:40:25,245 and he hopes to achieve his childhood dream 2362 01:40:25,246 --> 01:40:27,122 of bench-pressing 700 lbs. 2363 01:40:27,123 --> 01:40:29,581 But he and his wife agreed 2364 01:40:29,582 --> 01:40:33,167 that this would be his last meet on steroids. 2365 01:40:33,169 --> 01:40:35,919 I knew that she didn't really care for it, 2366 01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,004 but i didn't know it hurt her that much. 2367 01:40:38,005 --> 01:40:40,881 And I didn't know she worried that much about it. 2368 01:40:40,883 --> 01:40:43,258 It's definitely something that's not gonna be easy to do. 2369 01:40:43,259 --> 01:40:45,551 I don't necessarily want to do it, but, you know, 2370 01:40:45,553 --> 01:40:47,427 if I just stay on it and ignore her, 2371 01:40:47,428 --> 01:40:49,012 that's just being selfish. 2372 01:40:49,013 --> 01:40:51,263 He's trying to have another kid, so he decided 2373 01:40:51,265 --> 01:40:53,265 that this is gonna be his last meet 2374 01:40:53,267 --> 01:40:55,391 that he ever takes anything. 2375 01:40:55,392 --> 01:40:58,351 How do you think that'll affect his lifting? 2376 01:40:58,353 --> 01:41:00,437 It'll affect it somewhat, 2377 01:41:00,438 --> 01:41:03,064 but once he tapers off and has the child 2378 01:41:03,065 --> 01:41:04,898 he can go right back on them. 2379 01:41:04,899 --> 01:41:07,150 But he doesn't want to go back on them. His wife doesn't want him 2380 01:41:07,151 --> 01:41:08,901 to be on it at all ever again. 2381 01:41:12,237 --> 01:41:14,238 The death of Smelly. 2382 01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:16,240 You think so? 2383 01:41:16,241 --> 01:41:17,991 Smelly will go back on. 2384 01:41:17,992 --> 01:41:20,451 So you'll never take it again? 2385 01:41:20,452 --> 01:41:22,243 - I'll never take 'em again? - Yeah. 2386 01:41:22,244 --> 01:41:23,953 No, I probably will take 'em again 2387 01:41:23,954 --> 01:41:26,413 - because this is something-- - How? 2388 01:41:26,414 --> 01:41:28,665 Well, I'll figure out a way. 2389 01:41:28,666 --> 01:41:31,167 I mean, that's something I'll have to talk out with Andee, 2390 01:41:31,168 --> 01:41:33,001 but this is something I've been-- 2391 01:41:33,002 --> 01:41:35,544 I've been involved in power lifting since I was 12 years old. 2392 01:41:35,545 --> 01:41:37,462 This is part of what I like to do. 2393 01:41:37,464 --> 01:41:40,007 And I'm not gonna go 2394 01:41:40,008 --> 01:41:42,257 from squatting 800 lbs to squatting 700 lbs. 2395 01:41:42,259 --> 01:41:44,593 I'm gonna want to get back on 'em for sure. 2396 01:41:44,594 --> 01:41:46,928 Which is kind of sad 'cause-- 2397 01:41:46,930 --> 01:41:49,054 Well, you know, a lot of people have to lie to get ahead. 2398 01:41:49,055 --> 01:41:52,473 That's just kind of the way things work. 2399 01:41:52,474 --> 01:41:55,225 Well, we weren't brought up as cheaters. 2400 01:41:57,437 --> 01:41:59,603 Well, I mean, people aren't brought up 2401 01:41:59,605 --> 01:42:02,398 to rob a bank either. You're not really trained to rob a bank 2402 01:42:02,399 --> 01:42:04,857 or you're not really trained to do drugs 2403 01:42:04,858 --> 01:42:06,900 or taught to do drugs or anything like that, 2404 01:42:06,901 --> 01:42:08,568 but just, you know, it's kind of the way you end up. 2405 01:42:11,446 --> 01:42:12,946 Yeah! Come on! 2406 01:42:12,947 --> 01:42:15,281 Let's go, mark! Go mark! 2407 01:42:15,283 --> 01:42:17,325 Let's go, Mark. Come on! 2408 01:42:17,326 --> 01:42:19,493 - Come on! - Go Mark! 2409 01:42:21,996 --> 01:42:24,246 Go Mark! Let's go, Mark! 2410 01:42:24,247 --> 01:42:26,789 Come on, you got this. 2411 01:42:26,791 --> 01:42:29,041 Come on, you got it! Let's go, come on! 2412 01:42:36,380 --> 01:42:38,047 - Yeah! Yeah! - Yes! Yes! 2413 01:42:44,428 --> 01:42:46,512 My baby brother is on steroids 2414 01:42:46,513 --> 01:42:48,680 and we all know it. 2415 01:42:48,682 --> 01:42:51,641 But look at us. My dad looks like he won the lottery. 2416 01:42:51,642 --> 01:42:54,851 And my mom's prayers have been answered. 2417 01:42:54,852 --> 01:42:57,770 I was raised to believe that cheaters never prosper, 2418 01:42:57,771 --> 01:43:01,064 but in America it seems like cheaters always prosper. 2419 01:43:03,567 --> 01:43:07,651 The use of performance-enhancing drugs like steroids 2420 01:43:07,652 --> 01:43:10,486 is dangerous and it sends the wrong message 2421 01:43:10,488 --> 01:43:13,905 that there are shortcuts to accomplishment 2422 01:43:13,907 --> 01:43:17,742 And that performance is more important than character. 2423 01:43:17,743 --> 01:43:19,869 There is a clash in America 2424 01:43:19,870 --> 01:43:22,329 Between doing the right thing and being the best. 2425 01:43:22,331 --> 01:43:24,747 Americans play to win all the time 2426 01:43:24,749 --> 01:43:27,458 because the very thought of losing 2427 01:43:27,459 --> 01:43:30,042 is hateful to Americans. 2428 01:43:30,043 --> 01:43:33,670 It is out of here! 2429 01:43:33,671 --> 01:43:37,590 756! 2430 01:43:37,591 --> 01:43:39,715 Bonds stands alone! 2431 01:43:39,717 --> 01:43:41,676 In a culture where second place 2432 01:43:41,677 --> 01:43:44,010 Is the first loser, 2433 01:43:44,012 --> 01:43:47,472 the real heroes are the ones who win at all costs. 2434 01:43:47,473 --> 01:43:50,015 Everything I have-- my career, 2435 01:43:50,016 --> 01:43:52,392 my success, my family-- 2436 01:43:52,393 --> 01:43:54,226 I owe to America. 2437 01:43:57,771 --> 01:43:59,813 This is America. 2438 01:43:59,815 --> 01:44:02,690 We're the greatest country in the world. 2439 01:44:02,691 --> 01:44:05,693 You could call us a nation on steroids. 2440 01:44:05,694 --> 01:44:08,361 But what are those long-term side effects? 2441 01:44:08,362 --> 01:44:10,363 For me and my brothers 2442 01:44:10,364 --> 01:44:13,198 steroids are not the problem. 2443 01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:15,408 They're just another side effect 2444 01:44:15,409 --> 01:44:17,035 of being American. 2445 01:44:20,496 --> 01:44:24,998 # oh, superman, where are you now? # 2446 01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:29,167 # when everything's gone wrong somehow # 2447 01:44:29,169 --> 01:44:33,171 # the men of steel, these men of power # 2448 01:44:33,172 --> 01:44:36,715 # are losing control by the hour # 2449 01:44:36,716 --> 01:44:38,883 # and this is the time # 2450 01:44:38,884 --> 01:44:40,926 # this is the place # 2451 01:44:40,928 --> 01:44:43,928 # so we look to the future # 2452 01:44:43,929 --> 01:44:47,931 # but there's not much left to go around # 2453 01:44:47,932 --> 01:44:51,726 # tell me why this is a land of confusion # 2454 01:44:51,727 --> 01:44:54,561 # ha ha ha ha # 2455 01:44:54,562 --> 01:44:58,981 # this is the world we live in # 2456 01:44:58,982 --> 01:45:02,650 # and these are the hands we're given # 2457 01:45:02,651 --> 01:45:06,861 # use them and let's start trying # 2458 01:45:06,862 --> 01:45:08,237 # to make it # 2459 01:45:08,238 --> 01:45:10,321 # a place worth living # 2460 01:45:10,323 --> 01:45:11,990 # yeah # 2461 01:45:17,287 --> 01:45:19,411 # I remember long ago # 2462 01:45:21,789 --> 01:45:24,374 # where the sun was shining # 2463 01:45:26,418 --> 01:45:27,625 # and all the stars # 2464 01:45:27,626 --> 01:45:29,293 # were bright # 2465 01:45:29,295 --> 01:45:31,003 # all through the night # 2466 01:45:31,004 --> 01:45:33,713 # in the wake of this madness # 2467 01:45:33,715 --> 01:45:35,715 # as I held you tight # 2468 01:45:38,468 --> 01:45:40,635 # so long ago # 2469 01:45:51,686 --> 01:45:53,936 # there's too many men # 2470 01:45:53,937 --> 01:45:55,687 # too many people # 2471 01:45:55,688 --> 01:45:58,731 # making too many problems # 2472 01:45:58,732 --> 01:46:00,815 # and there's not much left # 2473 01:46:00,817 --> 01:46:02,942 # to go around # 2474 01:46:02,944 --> 01:46:04,568 # can't you see this is # 2475 01:46:04,569 --> 01:46:07,112 # a land of confusion? # 2476 01:46:07,114 --> 01:46:09,364 # ha ha ha ha # 2477 01:46:09,365 --> 01:46:10,865 # now this is # 2478 01:46:10,866 --> 01:46:13,908 # the world we live in # 2479 01:46:13,909 --> 01:46:15,201 # and these are # 2480 01:46:15,203 --> 01:46:17,869 # the hands we're given # 2481 01:46:17,871 --> 01:46:19,371 # stand up # 2482 01:46:19,373 --> 01:46:22,414 # and let's start showing # 2483 01:46:22,415 --> 01:46:25,125 # just where our lives are going to # 2484 01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:30,087 # ha ha ha ha. # 2485 01:46:30,088 --> 01:46:31,088 Subtitles by Leapinlar 9999 00:00:0,500 --> 00:00:2,00 www.moviesubtitles.org 207948

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