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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,900 --> 00:00:02,900 Oh. 2 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,940 It's been a busy week. The national debt topped $40 trillion. 3 00:00:38,460 --> 00:00:42,480 Trump threatened to bomb Amman. And at a debate in South Carolina, Lindsey 4 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:46,260 Graham's sister, who's running to take his seat, gave a train wreck of an 5 00:00:46,260 --> 00:00:47,260 answer. 6 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,040 I'm sorry, could you repeat the question? 7 00:00:57,340 --> 00:01:01,400 Are Taiwan and the South China Sea national security issues for the United 8 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,820 States? And if so, why or how? 9 00:01:05,140 --> 00:01:08,720 I'm just going to be honest here. I'm not on national security. 10 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:11,220 I'm not that informed on national security. 11 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:16,320 But I do support the military. 12 00:01:16,860 --> 00:01:18,480 Yeah, pretty bad. 13 00:01:18,740 --> 00:01:22,340 And you know what? I will give Darlene Graham the same advice I'd give Liam 14 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:24,520 Hemsworth. You don't have to do this. 15 00:01:24,810 --> 00:01:26,390 just because your brother did. 16 00:01:27,030 --> 00:01:30,630 But I want to focus on a less covered story from this week, involving Sean 17 00:01:30,630 --> 00:01:32,290 Duffy, Secretary of Transportation. 18 00:01:32,510 --> 00:01:35,450 You may remember a few months back, he unveiled this weird trailer for the 19 00:01:35,450 --> 00:01:40,030 Great American Road Trip, a show supposedly celebrating America's 250th 20 00:01:40,030 --> 00:01:42,330 anniversary. What a beautiful family. 21 00:01:42,670 --> 00:01:45,430 Hi, I'm Chester Adam, Mr. President. Chester, the President of Trump. 22 00:01:47,250 --> 00:01:50,070 Taking a little trip? Yes, yes. A little trip all over. 23 00:01:50,270 --> 00:01:53,330 So the motto is, to love America, it's to see America. 24 00:01:54,090 --> 00:01:56,810 It's more than a road trip. It's a civic experience. 25 00:01:57,150 --> 00:02:01,070 It's one of the most powerful ways to understand the vast, beautiful, 26 00:02:01,310 --> 00:02:03,110 complicated place we call home. 27 00:02:03,970 --> 00:02:06,230 One, two, three, road trip! 28 00:02:06,650 --> 00:02:11,270 OK, lots not to like there from the generic hey-ho folk rock to Trump giving 29 00:02:11,270 --> 00:02:13,790 insane grandma's new boyfriend vibes. 30 00:02:14,350 --> 00:02:18,490 to the very conspicuous close-up of the Toyota logo, to the seemingly AI 31 00:02:18,490 --> 00:02:23,090 -generated images of cars, which makes sense. No one's ever thought to film a 32 00:02:23,090 --> 00:02:24,150 real car before. 33 00:02:24,890 --> 00:02:28,030 When the Great American Road Trip was announced, they sold it pretty hard. 34 00:02:28,130 --> 00:02:32,430 Duffy's wife, Fox host Rachel Campos Duffy, even claimed it was a solution to 35 00:02:32,430 --> 00:02:34,030 what ails us as a nation. 36 00:02:34,410 --> 00:02:37,990 I'm going to be really honest. We live in a porn hub world. This is really 37 00:02:37,990 --> 00:02:40,450 wholesome, good family stuff. This is what... 38 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,180 families need to do is just get together. That's what our kids want from 39 00:02:44,180 --> 00:02:45,300 us. Is it? 40 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,900 Because I think what every kid really wants is for their mom not to say the 41 00:02:49,900 --> 00:02:51,820 word Pornhub on national TV. 42 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,380 Also, she clearly hasn't spent a lot of time on that site or she'd know families 43 00:02:56,380 --> 00:02:59,080 getting together is very much its own category. 44 00:02:59,900 --> 00:03:02,540 But the show quickly became controversial with people asking things 45 00:03:02,540 --> 00:03:06,580 like, hey, you know gas is over $4 a gallon, right? And did you film a 46 00:03:06,580 --> 00:03:09,240 reality show with your family when you were supposed to be running a cabinet 47 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,080 department? And who is paying for this exactly? 48 00:03:12,420 --> 00:03:15,340 And the answers that Duffy gave weren't reassuring. 49 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,300 He says production took place in short windows over seven months. 50 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,940 I'm going to have to pay for this operation. I've got to go to work. Duffy 51 00:03:21,940 --> 00:03:25,940 did conduct official government business paid for by taxpayers in some of the 52 00:03:25,940 --> 00:03:27,520 locations where filming took place. 53 00:03:27,950 --> 00:03:32,090 But he says no taxpayer money was used on his family and that the series was 54 00:03:32,090 --> 00:03:35,850 funded through a nonprofit production company called Great American Road Trip, 55 00:03:35,910 --> 00:03:38,490 Inc. It lists 17 sponsors on its website. 56 00:03:38,940 --> 00:03:43,660 including Boeing, Toyota, Shell, Royal Caribbean Group and United Airlines. 57 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,040 All companies Duffy's department oversees and regulates. Yeah, that's not 58 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:53,180 great. The only worse answer to who paid for this than the American taxpayer is a 59 00:03:53,180 --> 00:03:57,140 bunch of companies I oversee and regulate. Actually, I suppose an even 60 00:03:57,140 --> 00:04:00,000 worse answer would be a bunch of companies I oversee and regulate and 61 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,280 also my close personal friend Jeffrey Epstein, but that is still pretty bad. 62 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,940 And this show cannot have been cheap to produce, given Toyota and Boeing alone 63 00:04:08,940 --> 00:04:13,100 reportedly paid a million dollars each to help get it made. So it is no 64 00:04:13,100 --> 00:04:16,760 surprise Duffy wound up having to answer questions about it in Congress, and his 65 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,740 defense was noticeably weak. 66 00:04:19,060 --> 00:04:23,880 It is literally your job to make sure each of those companies are playing by 67 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:24,619 the rule. 68 00:04:24,620 --> 00:04:30,640 So Toyota is sponsoring a show starring you, and it is your department, Mr. 69 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,840 Secretary. You hate America? 70 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,420 Don't you want to celebrate America? Mr. Secretary, it is your department that 71 00:04:35,420 --> 00:04:39,560 decides whether Toyota's next recall... It's our birthday! 72 00:04:40,380 --> 00:04:42,720 You sound like a fucking child! 73 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,840 You do get that just because it's America's birthday doesn't mean you get 74 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:48,760 to do an ethics violation, right? 75 00:04:48,980 --> 00:04:50,120 Grow up, Sean! 76 00:04:50,460 --> 00:04:53,740 This show was supposed to come out in June, but all the scrutiny seemed to 77 00:04:53,740 --> 00:04:57,560 delay it, with Duffy at one point saying they needed to re-edit to make sure I 78 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,840 come into compliance with all of the ethics rules that we have in government. 79 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:04,340 Which is definitely something best done hastily after the fact. 80 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,860 But this Wednesday, with no warning, all six episodes were quietly dumped on 81 00:05:08,860 --> 00:05:12,280 YouTube. And before I talk about the show, a bit of context about why Duffy 82 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:16,300 might have thought this was a good idea. Because he has long loved being on 83 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:20,260 camera. He was actually on The Real World Boston back in the late 90s, where 84 00:05:20,260 --> 00:05:25,520 he presented himself as deeply horny. In his audition, he reportedly said he 85 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,900 wanted to be on the show because of his interest in cute girls. 86 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,480 And when asked by a producer how many times he'd had sex in the last six 87 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,300 months, he, and I'm quoting here, flashed a big smile. 88 00:05:34,510 --> 00:05:35,950 and responded, three times. 89 00:05:36,190 --> 00:05:37,670 Three different individuals. 90 00:05:38,050 --> 00:05:40,390 Yeah. And three different times. 91 00:05:41,210 --> 00:05:45,990 Adding, I'm sort of starving right now, guys. And I've got to say, I had sex 92 00:05:45,990 --> 00:05:49,250 with three different women, none of whom were interested in an encore. 93 00:05:49,470 --> 00:05:53,170 Says a lot more about you than I think you wanted to reveal there. 94 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,120 Now, on the show, Duffy got attention for annoying the fuck out of his black 95 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,280 castmate, Camila, who he fought with over affirmative action, complaining, he 96 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:03,960 could have gotten into a better college if I were a black male. 97 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,160 And at another point, compared her to Adolf Hitler while accusing her of 98 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,660 reverse racism. And, well, sadly, Duffy didn't find a cute girl to have his 99 00:06:12,660 --> 00:06:14,880 fourth sex with in the real world house. 100 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,940 He did actually meet his wife soon afterward during the spin-off Road Rules 101 00:06:18,940 --> 00:06:22,460 All-Stars. In fact, here they are, flirting on camera, after which the show 102 00:06:22,460 --> 00:06:25,380 cuts away to this incredible confessional interview. 103 00:06:25,870 --> 00:06:29,410 I'm a playful person. I'll go and just play with people in probably a sexual 104 00:06:29,410 --> 00:06:32,590 way. And I think it can be perceived in the wrong way. And I think she might 105 00:06:32,590 --> 00:06:36,270 take my actions as me, you know, liking her and wanting to get down with her and 106 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:39,310 maybe feel her little boobies. Well, it's official. 107 00:06:39,670 --> 00:06:44,450 We found it. The worst possible answer to the question. So, how did you and mom 108 00:06:44,450 --> 00:06:45,450 meet? 109 00:06:45,730 --> 00:06:49,930 Also, for the record, no one over the age of six should be saying the word 110 00:06:49,930 --> 00:06:53,840 boobies. After that point, you call them breasts, and then when you're 90, you 111 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:57,420 get to call them knockers without anyone correcting you. That is the deal. 112 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,860 Anyway, Duffy eventually ran for Congress, where he served four terms, 113 00:07:00,900 --> 00:07:04,360 then became a TV pundit and co-host of a right-wing podcast with his wife, 114 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,120 featuring episodes like Is Wokeism the United States Cultural Revolution? And 115 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,840 Why Taylor Swift is the Sign of a Declining Society? 116 00:07:11,380 --> 00:07:14,620 Then last year, he joined the Trump administration as Transportation 117 00:07:14,620 --> 00:07:18,780 Secretary, bringing all his culture war energy to that job, including after a 118 00:07:18,780 --> 00:07:22,720 deadly plane crash outside D.C., absurdly suggesting D.E.I. had played a 119 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,400 role, saying you can't focus on diversity, equity and inclusion when you 120 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,200 try to hire air... traffic controllers. And yet, somehow, with all his 121 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,680 responsibilities, Duffy still managed to find time to film the Great American 122 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,780 Road Trip. And while its marketing materials described it as a nationwide 123 00:07:37,780 --> 00:07:41,260 storytelling movement that invites Americans to explore the open road and 124 00:07:41,260 --> 00:07:44,900 connect with their communities, as we learned this week, that's not really 125 00:07:44,900 --> 00:07:48,800 what it is at all. Because it turns out it's basically just an expensively 126 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,220 produced test run of a Duffy family reality show, with each episode 127 00:07:52,220 --> 00:07:57,230 featuring a bare minimum about travel or America, but a ton of... of manufactured 128 00:07:57,230 --> 00:08:01,790 reality TV drama around the Duffys doing stuff like planning a family party or, 129 00:08:01,870 --> 00:08:05,110 over the course of several episodes, watching their daughter decide which 130 00:08:05,110 --> 00:08:08,550 college she'll attend, a debate, incidentally, that Sean wades into in 131 00:08:08,550 --> 00:08:09,870 exactly the way you'd expect. 132 00:08:10,290 --> 00:08:12,330 If I do get it, I feel like you can't say no. 133 00:08:12,670 --> 00:08:15,690 To Harvard? Yeah. Well, me and Mom can say no. 134 00:08:18,070 --> 00:08:22,790 Catholicism, to us, is everything. It's the basis of our marriage, it's the 135 00:08:22,790 --> 00:08:24,790 basis of our family, so... 136 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:32,020 I'm nervous about the idea of Paloma going to Harvard. My problem is we have 137 00:08:32,020 --> 00:08:37,179 thought about how we raised you and how hard we've worked to, I think, raise 138 00:08:37,179 --> 00:08:39,360 what is a remarkable young girl. 139 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:44,700 If I send you there, I think what happens is they have professionalized 140 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:50,880 figuring out how they can take good young girls like you and, I think, 141 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:51,880 corrupt their minds. 142 00:08:51,980 --> 00:08:53,840 What the fuck are you talking about? 143 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,460 First, this was supposed to be a road trip. Why are we still in your kitchen? 144 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,920 Second, is there anything less relatable than a family whose conflict is, how do 145 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,600 I tell my daughter she can't go to Harvard because we did too good a job 146 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,360 raising her? And finally, please, don't be worried that Harvard's going to 147 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,700 corrupt your daughter's mind. Worry that if she goes there, like every other 148 00:09:14,700 --> 00:09:17,620 Harvard grad, she's never going to shut the fuck up about it. 149 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,320 One of this show's writers went to Harvard, and guess how I know that? 150 00:09:22,319 --> 00:09:24,880 Exactly. I don't know where any of the others went. 151 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,940 But if you think that moment is uncomfortable, they also go to Boston to 152 00:09:29,940 --> 00:09:33,840 visit the real world house where Duffy tries to rewrite some history. 153 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,740 Camille and I, the house is set up for the two of us to room together. 154 00:09:38,540 --> 00:09:40,600 We got along well, though. It was fun. It was good. 155 00:09:40,820 --> 00:09:41,820 You called her a bitch. 156 00:09:41,940 --> 00:09:42,940 I did not. 157 00:09:43,260 --> 00:09:44,640 Oh, I'm sorry. You didn't? 158 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,540 You're saying that you didn't call Camille a bitch? 159 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,540 Let's go to the tape, Sean. 160 00:09:50,270 --> 00:09:53,330 I walked up ahead of the group and I called her a bitch. 161 00:09:53,650 --> 00:09:54,650 Yeah, you did. 162 00:09:55,050 --> 00:09:59,410 You did call her that. Call me CVS, Sean, because I will always bring the 163 00:09:59,410 --> 00:10:04,110 receipts. But maybe what's most noticeable about the Great American Road 164 00:10:04,110 --> 00:10:08,170 Trip is that whatever last-minute edits were made to it seem to have cut a lot 165 00:10:08,170 --> 00:10:11,530 of stuff out. A bunch of stuff from the trailer is now missing, including visits 166 00:10:11,530 --> 00:10:15,730 with country musician John Rich and also Kid Rock, who, and this is true, are 167 00:10:15,730 --> 00:10:17,870 apparently two completely different people. 168 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,880 More conspicuously, they've also removed a whole tour of a cruise ship operated 169 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,560 by one of the show's big sponsors, Royal Caribbean, although notably other 170 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:30,220 sponsors still get some airtime, with the show featuring the family touring a 171 00:10:30,220 --> 00:10:33,880 Boeing factory in South Carolina and visiting a Waymo facility in Arizona, 172 00:10:34,020 --> 00:10:38,000 where Duffy calls the company the future of transportation. But perhaps the 173 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,320 clunkiest moment that got left in involves what sure seems like sponsor 174 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,240 integration for one of the show's backers, the Electronic Payments 175 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,970 Coalition, a lobbying group representing credit card companies. because in one 176 00:10:48,970 --> 00:10:53,150 episode when the family goes to lunch, out of nowhere, Naomi Alindo, a former 177 00:10:53,150 --> 00:10:57,370 cast member on Southern Charm, turns up and suddenly steers the conversation in 178 00:10:57,370 --> 00:10:58,630 a very specific direction. 179 00:10:58,890 --> 00:11:00,250 See if you can spot it. 180 00:11:00,660 --> 00:11:03,440 I'm getting married in July, so... Oh, congratulations. 181 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,440 Thank you so much. I'm a frugal person, and I want to be, like, smart with my 182 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,800 money. Planning a wedding and, like, a honeymoon and stuff and all that can get 183 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,060 so expensive, and we booked our entire honeymoon with points. Like, the entire 184 00:11:16,060 --> 00:11:18,380 thing. I did, too. You did? 185 00:11:18,580 --> 00:11:19,810 Yeah. Yeah. 186 00:11:20,190 --> 00:11:21,190 Thank you so much. 187 00:11:22,510 --> 00:11:27,470 People can come here on points, and then the more they go out to eat, they shop 188 00:11:27,470 --> 00:11:31,010 where they stay, they use their cards, and they're still earning points while 189 00:11:31,010 --> 00:11:36,090 being here. So, I mean, it might be girl math, but to me that sounds amazing, and 190 00:11:36,090 --> 00:11:37,090 it really makes sense. 191 00:11:37,510 --> 00:11:39,010 What a natural conversation. 192 00:11:40,370 --> 00:11:44,750 Just a normal extended monologue about the flexibility of credit card points. 193 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,500 Delivered to a table of bored children who, and I know I'm projecting here, 194 00:11:48,620 --> 00:11:52,180 have definitely been told that if they interrupt her or make any noise, she's 195 00:11:52,180 --> 00:11:54,560 going to have to go back to the start and do the whole thing again. 196 00:11:55,260 --> 00:11:59,380 And look, I don't really give a shit if Sean Duffy and his wife want to become 197 00:11:59,380 --> 00:12:03,080 the next Duggars or John and Kate or Alec and Hilaria Baldwin. 198 00:12:03,980 --> 00:12:06,860 What's concerning is them doing it on the back of the Department of 199 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:10,360 Transportation, because it feels ethically dubious on so many levels. 200 00:12:10,500 --> 00:12:14,400 Which may be why, at this point, everyone involved in the Great American 201 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,100 Road Trip seems like they'd rather just sweep it under the rug. Since it came 202 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:21,080 out, the Duffies have barely promoted the show, and the Department of 203 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,160 Transportation hasn't posted about it at all. It is no wonder hardly anyone seems 204 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:26,500 to have watched this thing. 205 00:12:27,130 --> 00:12:30,930 But even if everyone involved wants to move on and act like it never happened, 206 00:12:31,010 --> 00:12:34,130 I'm not sure that the rest of us should. Because the appearance of a conflict of 207 00:12:34,130 --> 00:12:37,730 interest here is not going to go away. For a start, the Department of 208 00:12:37,730 --> 00:12:39,190 Transportation, right now. 209 00:12:39,660 --> 00:12:43,180 has at least two open investigations into Waymo for its self-driving cars 210 00:12:43,180 --> 00:12:47,740 driving around a stopped school bus and striking a child in the area of a 211 00:12:47,740 --> 00:12:52,440 school. And as one expert in government ethics has said, there is every reason 212 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,100 not to trust Duffy to be protecting public safety when it comes to Waymo 213 00:12:56,100 --> 00:12:58,660 because he's accepted this gift. 214 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,320 Thankfully, a government watchdog group has filed both an official complaint and 215 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,820 FOIA request to find out more about how all of this happened. Which is good, 216 00:13:05,860 --> 00:13:10,180 because I've got to say, having watched all three hours of this god-awful show, 217 00:13:10,340 --> 00:13:14,700 from gender reveals to the Duffeys renewing their vows for no clear reason, 218 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,540 it feels less like the country's been taken on a road trip by Sean Duffy, and 219 00:13:19,540 --> 00:13:22,480 a lot more like we've all been taken for a fucking ride. 220 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,060 And now, this. 221 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:30,540 And now, nobody does a transition to an ad read like Ben Shapiro. 222 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,600 All the worst people are very, very excited about Lindsey Graham's death. 223 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,300 All the worst people. But listen, whenever you talk about mortality or the 224 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:40,760 passage of time, it's a big reminder that you don't have time to waste. 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Coming up, the president. 236 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,800 Ripped on election machines. She says they're not working properly, or at 237 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:14,799 least they are vulnerable. 238 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,840 But here's what you need working properly. 239 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,240 Your cell phone coverage. It turns out that when you import a bunch of third 240 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,860 world people who are also radically Muslim, you might have a bit of a crime 241 00:14:24,860 --> 00:14:26,980 problem. I know, these things are shocking. You know what's not shocking? 242 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,960 That it's very hot today in Florida. It's hot every day in Florida this time 243 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,440 of year. And this is why you need a mattress that breathes. Candace Owens, 244 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,600 why was she so obsessed with Charlie Kirk? What was up with that obsession? 245 00:14:36,940 --> 00:14:38,340 But speaking of obsession. 246 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,380 I'm obsessed with balance of nature. Balance of nature products actually. I 247 00:14:41,380 --> 00:14:42,380 mean, look at this. 248 00:14:43,540 --> 00:14:46,520 Moving on. Our main story tonight concerns subscriptions. 249 00:14:46,780 --> 00:14:50,840 The way that HBO, from the very start, made money. And while I don't need to 250 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,140 show you this old promo for it, I do want to. 251 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:07,480 The HBO Knockout Fall is here. With blockbuster movies like Rambo, First 252 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:12,660 Blood Part II, Jagged Edge, Silverado and Cocoon. Just call this number and 253 00:15:12,660 --> 00:15:14,380 order cable TV and HBO. 254 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:19,500 You'll save 50% on installation and get this telephone alarm clock absolutely 255 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:21,740 free. It's magnificent. 256 00:15:22,020 --> 00:15:23,800 What happened to this company? 257 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,960 Nowadays, when you sign up for HBO Max, all you get is access to this. 258 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,580 But HBO used to throw in alarm clock phones that doubled as weapons that you 259 00:15:32,580 --> 00:15:36,160 could throw at your boyfriend during a fight, a theme song, and a cartoon mom 260 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,260 and dad who you can tell go absolutely feral after dark. 261 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,500 Those two have never met a bet they didn't wreck, shred, and moisten. And if 262 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:47,320 you are shocked by how graphically I'm discussing these innocent cartoons, 263 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,700 remember, this is HBO. 264 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,720 You pay for the filth. 265 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,460 Specifically, I want to talk about the fact that more and more things seem to 266 00:15:55,460 --> 00:15:58,220 have shifted to a subscription model nowadays. You've probably noticed how 267 00:15:58,220 --> 00:16:02,500 we've gone from buying music and movies to simply paying a monthly fee to access 268 00:16:02,500 --> 00:16:06,460 them. But subscriptions have also expanded to everything, from clothing to 269 00:16:06,460 --> 00:16:09,360 beauty products to cleaning services to even this. 270 00:16:10,030 --> 00:16:13,990 Taco Bell now testing a taco subscription service. 271 00:16:14,250 --> 00:16:15,610 It looks like it works like this. 272 00:16:16,090 --> 00:16:19,870 Customers pay $5 to $10 a month for what's called a taco lover's pass. 273 00:16:20,130 --> 00:16:24,350 That lets them get one of a variety of tacos every day for 30 days. 274 00:16:24,690 --> 00:16:29,290 It's true. Taco Bell apparently offers something called the taco lover's pass, 275 00:16:29,390 --> 00:16:32,810 which is coincidentally also what the news headline will read when people 276 00:16:32,810 --> 00:16:36,570 inevitably die from eating Taco Bell every day for a month. 277 00:16:37,630 --> 00:16:40,750 Subscriptions are now basically everywhere, and many of us don't even 278 00:16:40,750 --> 00:16:44,610 realize how much we spend on them. As one survey found Americans paid more 279 00:16:44,610 --> 00:16:47,230 than twice what they thought they did for monthly subscriptions, and nearly 280 00:16:47,230 --> 00:16:51,190 half report they still pay for one that they'd forgotten about or didn't use. 281 00:16:51,290 --> 00:16:54,750 And look, I am not saying that this is the biggest problem that we face in the 282 00:16:54,750 --> 00:16:57,790 world right now. That's obviously a three-way tie between the war in Iran, 283 00:16:58,010 --> 00:17:02,110 diarrhea lettuce, and what's happening in the donut industry. Guys, we're doing 284 00:17:02,110 --> 00:17:03,630 too much. Fruit loops? 285 00:17:04,010 --> 00:17:05,010 On a donut? 286 00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:09,230 The option should be icing... sprinkled, and that is it. Donuts don't need a 287 00:17:09,230 --> 00:17:11,210 special toppings bar. They're donuts. 288 00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:15,849 They're not frozen yogurt. Now, she needs help. She needs lipstick, a push 289 00:17:15,849 --> 00:17:19,950 -up bra, and as many crumbled up M&Ms as you can shovel on her. But donuts are a 290 00:17:19,950 --> 00:17:21,849 natural beauty. Leave them be. 291 00:17:22,890 --> 00:17:28,349 But subscriptions are a universally annoying problem, and they are something 292 00:17:28,349 --> 00:17:30,250 that people do love to yell about. 293 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,660 There are so many hard things in life. Why is canceling a subscription one of 294 00:17:35,660 --> 00:17:37,960 them? And I'm talking to you, Paramount+. I'm talking to you. 295 00:17:38,340 --> 00:17:41,800 Canceling my SiriusXM almost broke my fucking brain. 296 00:17:42,060 --> 00:17:44,980 In the how-to, it says, hey, how to end your subscription. 297 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,780 go to end subscription button but it doesn't exist then I had to chat to the 298 00:17:49,780 --> 00:17:53,000 chatbot and I didn't have time to chat to the chatbot all I wanted to do was 299 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,260 cancel my subscription I didn't even have manners all I said is cancel my 300 00:17:56,260 --> 00:18:00,340 subscription hi um please just give us a few details cancel my subscription 301 00:18:00,340 --> 00:18:04,060 please let us know how can we keep you cancel my 302 00:18:05,710 --> 00:18:09,510 That is just an excellent use of TikTok, because I do think we need an outlet 303 00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:12,530 where we can vent about daily annoyances, especially given that 304 00:18:12,530 --> 00:18:16,170 priests must be tired of hearing it by now. Do you have something you'd like to 305 00:18:16,170 --> 00:18:20,150 confess, my child? Yeah, why are mobile orders that came through after in 306 00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:23,770 -restaurant orders prepared first? Tell me that, God, is bullshit! 307 00:18:25,390 --> 00:18:27,950 So given all that, tonight let's talk about subscriptions. 308 00:18:28,190 --> 00:18:31,630 How out of hand they're getting, the tricks companies use to lock you into 309 00:18:31,630 --> 00:18:35,770 them, and one simple solution that could give consumers at least some power back. 310 00:18:35,890 --> 00:18:39,210 And let's start by acknowledging that certain things, like newspapers, have 311 00:18:39,210 --> 00:18:43,590 long had a subscription component. But the internet has made it much easier to 312 00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:47,550 apply a subscription model to basically everything. And I do mean everything. 313 00:18:47,730 --> 00:18:52,670 From the Apocabox, which sends you doomsday prep supplies, to Bonebox, 314 00:18:52,930 --> 00:18:54,770 which I'll let this YouTuber tell you about. 315 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:00,700 this is the bone box and it comes from skulls unlimited and yes it is what you 316 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:07,700 might think it is it is a box bones this is a 30 mystery box it does contain a 317 00:19:07,700 --> 00:19:14,580 skull now they had two not human they do have two tiers it's a 30 one and here is 318 00:19:14,580 --> 00:19:20,630 the skull so that is an american minx Okay, I'll be honest. I didn't think you 319 00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:25,550 were talking about human skulls there until you quickly said not human and now 320 00:19:25,550 --> 00:19:27,410 I'm just not so sure 321 00:19:28,350 --> 00:19:31,870 But it's not just boxes of bones people subscribe to. It's also how many of us 322 00:19:31,870 --> 00:19:36,010 consume media nowadays. You can get subscriptions for books and for music 323 00:19:36,010 --> 00:19:40,350 and for TV and movies. And all of that is the end result of a much larger shift 324 00:19:40,350 --> 00:19:43,970 that started in the late 90s, when Netflix launched its DVD rental 325 00:19:43,970 --> 00:19:48,050 subscription service and companies like Salesforce pioneered a cloud-based 326 00:19:48,050 --> 00:19:52,330 subscription model for software, or what we now call software as a service, with 327 00:19:52,330 --> 00:19:55,370 Adobe and Microsoft soon following them. And before long... 328 00:19:55,660 --> 00:19:59,960 Any product or service that could be repackaged as a subscription started 329 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:03,740 becoming one. Even appliances and devices that you used to be able to buy 330 00:20:03,740 --> 00:20:08,400 and own outright started becoming smart products with a subscription component. 331 00:20:08,420 --> 00:20:12,420 You can now find this model used in everything from baby alarm clocks, to 332 00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:15,340 smoke alarms, to light bulbs, to even litter boxes. 333 00:20:15,580 --> 00:20:19,560 Perfect for anyone who's ever thought, I wish there was a way to make it more 334 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,880 expensive for my cat to take a shit. 335 00:20:23,020 --> 00:20:28,300 And the auto industry in particular has started leaning into subscriptions hard. 336 00:20:28,820 --> 00:20:34,420 $8 a month for remote start on certain Toyotas, $20 a month for BMW's enhanced 337 00:20:34,420 --> 00:20:35,420 cruise control. 338 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:40,760 Hands-free cruise control sure is nice, but are you willing to pay $75 a month 339 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,220 for it? So if your car payment is $600 a month, it's now $675. 340 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,640 General Motors expects subscriptions to bring in as much as $25 billion a year 341 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,000 by 2030, just under what? 342 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,440 Netflix earned last year. 343 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,480 Part of me says, though, well, you've already bought the hardware, so, you 344 00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:59,480 know, just let me use it. 345 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,360 Yeah, GM plans to eventually rake in, from subscriptions alone, revenue 346 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:06,200 comparable to that of Netflix. 347 00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:10,100 Which is shocking, given that GM, unlike Netflix, doesn't even offer you the 348 00:21:10,100 --> 00:21:14,980 chance to see LA's most Botoxed realtors wearing the least practical outfits you 349 00:21:14,980 --> 00:21:18,660 have ever seen. Their skin is on display, their shoes are legally stilts, 350 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,600 and there is simply no way for them to pee until they get home. 351 00:21:22,430 --> 00:21:26,170 And sometimes you might not even realize that you're buying a product with a 352 00:21:26,170 --> 00:21:30,490 subscription component until after the fact. For instance, HP now sells 353 00:21:30,490 --> 00:21:34,550 printers with a subscription service called Instant Ink. And just watch the 354 00:21:34,550 --> 00:21:38,310 nasty surprise that this woman got when her new printer's free trial expired. 355 00:21:38,910 --> 00:21:42,850 I went to print like a packing label or something, and it just wouldn't print at 356 00:21:42,850 --> 00:21:46,130 all. And I couldn't, there's no message on my computer that was explaining it. 357 00:21:46,210 --> 00:21:50,210 And the reason it's not printing says, payment method needs updating. 358 00:21:50,730 --> 00:21:52,030 You cannot print with the installed cartridge. 359 00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:53,990 As you can see, this page is printed fine. 360 00:21:54,210 --> 00:21:58,330 That's infuriating. I would be so mad if I'm trying to print something out and my 361 00:21:58,330 --> 00:22:01,870 printer keeps printing out a page that says I can't print and won't print. 362 00:22:01,970 --> 00:22:04,270 Maggie's printer still had ink in it when it stopped working. 363 00:22:04,590 --> 00:22:08,510 It turns out that when your instant ink subscription expires, or if you cancel 364 00:22:08,510 --> 00:22:11,570 it, HP remotely kills your cartridges. 365 00:22:12,490 --> 00:22:17,110 Yeah, that's pretty annoying, isn't it? She understandably assumed she owned the 366 00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:20,470 ink that came with her printer, but suddenly she couldn't use it. Which does 367 00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:23,870 feel like a waste, although I'll tell you one purchase that she made that 368 00:22:23,870 --> 00:22:26,370 definitely wasn't a waste there, and I think we all know what it is. Say it 369 00:22:26,370 --> 00:22:27,370 with me, everyone. 370 00:22:27,410 --> 00:22:32,390 The nails, honey, that's right. Look at the colour combo, the design, the shape, 371 00:22:32,450 --> 00:22:33,810 my God, the shape. 372 00:22:34,570 --> 00:22:38,250 It's like a junior stiletto with a whiff of almonds. Nails like that tell me 373 00:22:38,250 --> 00:22:41,250 three things about that woman. She's got taste, she's got style, and she doesn't 374 00:22:41,250 --> 00:22:42,250 fuck around. 375 00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:47,090 A person with those nails does not make decisions lightly. I am positive. If she 376 00:22:47,090 --> 00:22:51,210 knew signing up for that subscription would give HP remote control of her ink 377 00:22:51,210 --> 00:22:54,930 cartridges, she'd have said to them what I assume she says to anyone asking her 378 00:22:54,930 --> 00:22:55,930 to open a can of soda. 379 00:22:56,170 --> 00:22:59,270 Sorry, that is someone else's journey, not mine. 380 00:23:00,490 --> 00:23:04,990 But as irritating as that is, there's an obvious reason companies love this 381 00:23:04,990 --> 00:23:09,690 model. As HP's CEO told investors, we make more money per customer when 382 00:23:09,690 --> 00:23:11,070 they're in the subscription program. 383 00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:13,790 And that money is consistent, recurring revenue. 384 00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:18,250 But the benefits for companies don't even stop there. And subscriptions also 385 00:23:18,250 --> 00:23:22,110 give them access to a shit ton of data about you. In fact, here's a former 386 00:23:22,110 --> 00:23:25,410 Salesforce executive who now runs a company that helps businesses manage 387 00:23:25,410 --> 00:23:28,430 their subscription services, laying out his pitch to clients. 388 00:23:29,010 --> 00:23:31,390 What you really need to do is you really need to think of what is it that you're 389 00:23:31,390 --> 00:23:32,289 really after. 390 00:23:32,290 --> 00:23:35,790 Companies like Whirlpool or GE, they really only deal with their customers 391 00:23:35,790 --> 00:23:38,650 once every seven years or so when they buy a new product. 392 00:23:38,970 --> 00:23:42,950 And so these manufacturers are realizing we're in like 70% of the households in 393 00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:45,870 the U.S., and we should be able to collect information about people and 394 00:23:45,870 --> 00:23:49,170 understand what do they do, how often do they eat, how often do they go cooking, 395 00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:52,330 how often do they use their microwave, how often do they wash their clothes, 396 00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:54,030 and think about a whole different service. 397 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,040 Imagine instead of having a washing machine, it's a smart washing machine. 398 00:23:58,260 --> 00:24:01,280 It knows how often you're using it. When you run out of detergent, detergent 399 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,280 simply shows up in the mail. It knows that you just had a child, so you're 400 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,800 going to be using it more often. It actually adjusts to your needs. 401 00:24:08,260 --> 00:24:10,220 That is so unsettling to me. 402 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,400 No company needs to know I had a child. There is a reason that you start birth 403 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,560 announcements with dear family and friends and not to whom it may concern 404 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,880 at the Whirlpool Corporation. 405 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,380 And it's also just unnecessary. If you want to know if someone's had a kid, 406 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,340 there are way more obvious clues than them washing more clothes. How about, 407 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,400 are their eyes hollow? Do they look like they're taking at most two showers a 408 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,680 week? Do they spend the one hour a day they get to themselves watching beach 409 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,140 games in a catatonic state? 410 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:40,660 Does a barista getting their coffee order wrong elicit steel magnolias-level 411 00:24:40,660 --> 00:24:43,580 sobs? Are they wearing a backpack in a restaurant? 412 00:24:43,980 --> 00:24:47,380 Those are all easy ways to spot a new parent that crucially don't involve 413 00:24:47,380 --> 00:24:49,960 spying on them through their fucking washing machine. 414 00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:55,290 Now, obviously, there is a pretty simple solution for you here. Don't buy these 415 00:24:55,290 --> 00:24:58,950 smart products. And if you don't want a subscription anymore, just cancel it. 416 00:24:59,010 --> 00:25:02,990 But while that is easy to say, cancelling can be way harder to pull off 417 00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:07,250 in practice, and for a few key reasons. First, let's admit, as a species, people 418 00:25:07,250 --> 00:25:08,250 can just forget. 419 00:25:08,350 --> 00:25:12,010 In fact, any time subscriptions get covered on the news, someone invariably 420 00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:13,550 offers a confession like this. 421 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,120 Guys, this is so funny because yesterday I realized that my gym account has been 422 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,900 charging me twice every month for the past like four months. Well, I forgot 423 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:26,020 that I was subscribed to Apple TV. I made this list and I realized that three 424 00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:29,300 or four of the services I had, I had just not used in years. One of them 425 00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:34,800 being an e-fax service. Am I on national television right now that I had a fax 426 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,789 service? 427 00:25:35,790 --> 00:25:40,170 Look, I am trying not to be judgmental here, but you didn't know you were 428 00:25:40,170 --> 00:25:44,110 paying for an e-fax service for years? I think it genuinely might be less 429 00:25:44,110 --> 00:25:47,830 embarrassing to admit that you wrote in Jill Stein in the 2020 election. 430 00:25:48,110 --> 00:25:52,630 I would rather stand outside the Today Show and hold up a sign reading, people 431 00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:56,510 were wrong about Madam Webb, than admit something like that. 432 00:25:56,770 --> 00:25:58,230 But the thing is... 433 00:25:58,430 --> 00:26:01,990 Sometimes it's less people forgetting they had a subscription and more of them 434 00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:05,350 not realising that they'd signed up for one in the first place. 435 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:09,560 Which can be easy to do. Maybe you signed up for a bundle. So you subscribe 436 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,580 to, say, Lift Pink, and they threw in a year of Grubhub Plus. And you didn't 437 00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:17,900 realise that after a year, Grubhub Plus automatically converts into a paid 438 00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:22,620 subscription. Companies have gotten very good at making it incredibly easy to 439 00:26:22,620 --> 00:26:27,560 sign up for subscriptions often by employing what are called dark patents, 440 00:26:27,660 --> 00:26:31,420 which I know sounds like the title of Jeremy Renner's next album of song-like 441 00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:32,420 sounds mistakes. 442 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,100 But it's actually a term describing companies using deceptive design choices 443 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:39,840 to manipulate you into making decisions you might not have intended. 444 00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:44,460 Take Amazon Prime, which in addition to offering free shipping, also provides 445 00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:47,800 access to some of the best shows that only your dad watches. 446 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,300 Prime has been a massive success for Amazon. It's the main driver behind the 447 00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:59,180 more than $44 billion Amazon made on subscriptions last year. But a few years 448 00:26:59,180 --> 00:27:03,180 back, the company got into big trouble after the FTC claimed that it had used a 449 00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:06,920 variety of dark patterns to trick people into signing up for Prime, with this 450 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,080 reporter describing just one of them. 451 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:15,340 So originally, Amazon Prime was $99 a year. It's up to $149 a year now. But 452 00:27:15,340 --> 00:27:18,780 let's show you real fast here. So, like, you put something in your cart. You go 453 00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:21,900 to the payment page. You click the yellow button as you go to process your 454 00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:22,900 way through the checkout. 455 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,540 This is the payment page. We forward one page here. What you get is when you go 456 00:27:27,540 --> 00:27:30,700 to checkout, you get a pop-up. And instead of the yellow button that you 457 00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:33,760 would have been clicking all the way to just kind of proceed as normal. 458 00:27:34,380 --> 00:27:38,260 All of a sudden, the sign up for Amazon button is the yellow one now, and the 459 00:27:38,260 --> 00:27:40,260 proceed as normal button is not. 460 00:27:40,860 --> 00:27:42,200 Yeah, that's pretty sneaky. 461 00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:46,540 And it is easy to see how someone could fall for that, particularly if they 462 00:27:46,540 --> 00:27:50,640 speak English as a second language, or are older and a little less tech savvy, 463 00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:56,000 or they can't read at all. The point is, it sure seems like Amazon was being 464 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,040 deliberately confusing there. In fact, a former Amazon employee literally told 465 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,220 reporters, quote, we have been deliberately confusing. 466 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,180 And not only are there internal Amazon documents stating the issue of 467 00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:11,360 accidental Prime sign-ups is well documented, but in several cases, fixes 468 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:15,080 for these issues were actually proposed and considered, but because they 469 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,980 resulted in lower subscription growth when tested, they were shelved by 470 00:28:18,980 --> 00:28:21,180 executives. Because, of course they were. 471 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,300 But while companies clearly go out of their way to make it incredibly easy to 472 00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:29,280 subscribe, they can make cancelling a fucking nightmare. 473 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,320 Take LA Fitness. You can sign up for a membership there online. 474 00:28:33,870 --> 00:28:38,310 But as the FTP pointed out last year, handling it was a lot harder. 475 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,020 The FTC says LA Fitness and its sister brands didn't just make canceling 476 00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:45,260 memberships difficult, they made it nearly impossible. 477 00:28:45,820 --> 00:28:49,760 The agency accuses the gym's parent companies of forcing some consumers 478 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,120 through a maze of red tape. 479 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,420 Some had to print long forms requiring long-forgotten login credentials, while 480 00:28:55,420 --> 00:28:59,880 others had to show up in person and speak with a specific manager who was 481 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:04,000 often unavailable. In some cases, people were required to send certified mail 482 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,720 just to cancel, and even after some members contacted their banks to stop 483 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,740 payments, They allege the companies continue to charge them, sometimes under 484 00:29:11,740 --> 00:29:12,740 new account numbers. 485 00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:17,560 Yeah, that is ridiculous. Look, to be fair, gyms have made it hard to cancel 486 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,360 memberships for years now. It is so well known, it was literally a subplot on an 487 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,360 episode of Friends. 488 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,800 It was actually one of the more relatable scenarios that gang found 489 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,820 themselves in, with perhaps the least relatable being when Joey met Prince 490 00:29:29,820 --> 00:29:33,580 Andrew's ex-wife Fergie and didn't ask her what she knew and when. 491 00:29:33,980 --> 00:29:39,660 But nowadays, every... Everything feels like a gym membership, and companies can 492 00:29:39,660 --> 00:29:44,060 use some of the same dark patterns that got you into a subscription to confuse 493 00:29:44,060 --> 00:29:47,280 you when you're trying to get out of it. To give you just one example, take 494 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,360 HelloFresh. Until recently, here's what you had to do to cancel your 495 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,660 subscription. You'd go to your account page, and then have to scroll down to 496 00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:57,960 the bottom, where you'd find a bolded Pause My Deliveries button, and a less 497 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,880 obvious Cancel one. If you hit Cancel, it took you to a page listing all the 498 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,680 benefits of subscribing with a bolded button to stay subscribed, 499 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,040 highlighted cancel button but let's say you hit cancel again at that point you'd 500 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,220 have to tell them why you're cancelling by clicking one of a number of reasons 501 00:30:13,220 --> 00:30:17,360 you could not proceed unless you'd picked one and then it would take you to 502 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,940 a page offering you a fix for that complaint with again a highlighted 503 00:30:19,940 --> 00:30:24,060 button to stay subscribed and an unhighlighted cancel anyway box and if 504 00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:27,660 you clicked on that box it would finally cancel your subscription while also 505 00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:32,120 after you've gotten used to clicking unhighlighted buttons to keep cancelling 506 00:30:32,650 --> 00:30:35,510 an unhighlighted one to undo the fucking cancellation. 507 00:30:35,890 --> 00:30:40,390 And look, you might be thinking, well, look, if you just pay attention and read 508 00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:43,590 what you're clicking on, you should be fine. But here's the thing. Pay 509 00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:49,030 attention and read are two very difficult things to ask of the entire 510 00:30:49,030 --> 00:30:50,570 population all the time. 511 00:30:51,290 --> 00:30:55,590 And companies are banking on that. And it is by no means just HelloFresh. In 512 00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:59,490 fact, in the same lawsuit where the FTC accused Amazon of tricking people into 513 00:30:59,490 --> 00:31:04,590 signing up for Prime, it pointed out just how hard they made it for you to 514 00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:05,670 undo that mistake. 515 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,620 It also claims Amazon made it very difficult to navigate cancelling a Prime 516 00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:15,760 subscription. With a four-page, six-click and 15-option process, the FTC 517 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:21,220 says Amazon called Iliad after the nearly 16,000-line ancient poem. 518 00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:26,520 Yeah, that's pretty telling, isn't it? You don't name something the Iliad 519 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,260 because it's easy to get through. 520 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,440 You do that because it's a dense slog that makes you want to kill yourself. 521 00:31:33,130 --> 00:31:36,310 If you wanted a literary shorthand for something easy to get through and 522 00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:38,830 obvious to figure out, you'd name it The Da Vinci Code, remember? 523 00:31:39,770 --> 00:31:44,210 The answer to the riddle is Apple. Don't worry, that's only a spoiler if you're a 524 00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:45,230 complete idiot. 525 00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:51,120 Amazon! Ultimately settled that case for $2.5 billion and had to make changes to 526 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,600 its process. Though it still denies it ever tried to deceive Prime members. And 527 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,620 sure. But again, Amazon is not alone. 528 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,920 Uber, Match, Vonage and Shutterstock have all faced similar lawsuits. And 529 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,100 some companies will go even further to trap you in subscriptions. 530 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,210 Adobe. for instance, have made it a practice to charge a hefty early 531 00:32:10,210 --> 00:32:14,510 termination fee to end subscriptions. But as the FTC put it, they hid the 532 00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:18,610 relevant details in fine print and behind optional text boxes and 533 00:32:18,610 --> 00:32:19,610 hyperlinks, and they... 534 00:32:19,710 --> 00:32:23,590 definitely knew what they were doing, given in internal emails one employee 535 00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:27,910 wrote there'd be absolutely no way to kill off that early termination fee or 536 00:32:27,910 --> 00:32:32,130 talk about it more obviously without taking a big business hit. And that the 537 00:32:32,130 --> 00:32:34,710 fee was a bit like heroin for a Toby. 538 00:32:34,930 --> 00:32:36,250 Which isn't good. 539 00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:39,990 Describing anything as a bit like heroin is bad. 540 00:32:40,550 --> 00:32:43,950 Even if it is something harmless. If you described your boyfriend's obsession 541 00:32:43,950 --> 00:32:47,610 with basketball player Luka Doncic as a bit like heroin... 542 00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:51,650 I'd tell you to dump him and I'd tell him to get a real personality. And that 543 00:32:51,650 --> 00:32:56,230 is me being polite. Because if you asked me after I'd had a few Cosmos, I'd tell 544 00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:59,990 you to stop choosing men that ignore you like your father. But we all know you're 545 00:32:59,990 --> 00:33:00,990 not ready to hear that. 546 00:33:05,030 --> 00:33:10,410 And while Adobe and other companies will rationalise all of this with just giving 547 00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:14,390 customers greater flexibility and convenience, it is clear people are fed 548 00:33:14,390 --> 00:33:15,430 up with this. 549 00:33:16,030 --> 00:33:19,570 Frustration with subscriptions may be the one remaining thing that actually 550 00:33:19,570 --> 00:33:22,290 unifies all of us across party lines, which is incredible. 551 00:33:22,590 --> 00:33:26,670 As it seems, we can't even agree on simple things nowadays, like Super Bowl 552 00:33:26,670 --> 00:33:29,470 performers or which Pokemon would be the most delicious. 553 00:33:29,670 --> 00:33:30,670 And I know what you're thinking. 554 00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:32,830 I know what you're thinking. 555 00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:38,590 Gyarados or a Magikarp, something like that, maybe Psyduck. But the very fact 556 00:33:38,590 --> 00:33:44,070 that you're not even open to ditto is why this is such a point of discussion. 557 00:33:45,419 --> 00:33:48,440 So what can we do here? Well, there's stuff that you can do on a personal 558 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,120 level. You can check your bank accounts for recurring charges on iPhones. If you 559 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,960 go into settings, tap your name and then subscriptions, you can see everything 560 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,840 you subscribe to via the App Store. There's actually a similar feature on 561 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,660 Android. Also, try not to sign up for any free trials without setting a 562 00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:07,100 reminder to cancel them. And if you've been paying for an e-fax service for 563 00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:11,760 years, just throw your phone into a river. You can't be trusted with it 564 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,760 anymore. 565 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,159 But it shouldn't just be on individuals to have to fight all this bullshit. And 566 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:21,480 there's actually a policy solution that would fix a bunch of what you've seen 567 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,120 tonight. And it was pushed by Biden's head of the FTC, Lina Khan. It's called 568 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,560 Click to Cancel. And when you hear it described, it sounds pretty reasonable. 569 00:34:30,139 --> 00:34:35,780 Under this new click to cancel rule, canceling must be quick and easy. So if 570 00:34:35,780 --> 00:34:39,060 you signed up online, there needs to be a click to cancel option. 571 00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:43,860 So if you signed up in person, the FTC will require the option to cancel over 572 00:34:43,860 --> 00:34:44,860 the phone. 573 00:34:44,909 --> 00:34:50,810 or online now the ftc also says companies must make information easy to 574 00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:56,170 find before obtaining your billing information and consumers must be 575 00:34:56,170 --> 00:35:02,590 informed of what they're agreeing to before signing up right that sounds 576 00:35:02,590 --> 00:35:06,050 pretty good doesn't it and it's kind of shocking that we even needed the 577 00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:10,260 government to require that If Starbucks announced a new company policy to 578 00:35:10,260 --> 00:35:14,680 display bagels are not to be used for anything other than eating, I'd have a 579 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,160 lot of questions about why that wasn't already a rule to start with. 580 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:22,600 But unfortunately, last summer, just days before Clinton Council was supposed 581 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,760 to take effect, it was voided by one of the most conservative federal courts on 582 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,780 procedural grounds. And while Trump's FTC has hinted they might draft their 583 00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:34,740 own rule, we'll see what that looks like, or if it even happens. 584 00:35:35,310 --> 00:35:38,210 And I should say, some states have enacted their own protections. 585 00:35:38,330 --> 00:35:41,490 California was one of the first to do that, and just this year, both Virginia 586 00:35:41,490 --> 00:35:45,450 and Louisiana passed their own versions of Click to Cancel. Meanwhile, New York 587 00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:50,270 City has a version taking effect here in October. In fact, if you live somewhere 588 00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:53,950 without good protections and are struggling to cancel a subscription... 589 00:35:54,350 --> 00:35:58,090 One thing some people have said works is simply changing your location to 590 00:35:58,090 --> 00:36:02,510 California, as that can apparently sometimes force the service to offer you 591 00:36:02,510 --> 00:36:07,710 a click-to-cancel option. But obviously, pretend to live in California should not 592 00:36:07,710 --> 00:36:08,850 be the system here. 593 00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:14,750 And for the last time, I do know subscriptions are not the most pressing 594 00:36:14,750 --> 00:36:18,190 issue in the world right now, because that would be war, poop, and pick-me 595 00:36:18,190 --> 00:36:20,510 -donuts. Remember, we all agreed on that. 596 00:36:21,370 --> 00:36:26,110 But it is frustrating that there is a tantalisingly easy fix to a ubiquitous 597 00:36:26,110 --> 00:36:28,890 problem within reach, and we can't seem to have it. 598 00:36:29,370 --> 00:36:33,170 It's honestly incredibly rare that we end up discussing a story on this show 599 00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:36,510 where the solution is simply, there should just be a button for that. 600 00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:41,010 But when it comes to subscriptions, we could actually have one of those buttons 601 00:36:41,010 --> 00:36:45,190 that you could push once, and it would fix your problem, and it would instantly 602 00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:48,350 improve people's lives more than I'm comfortable admitting right now. 603 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,700 So I'd argue companies should give us that fucking button. And if they won't, 604 00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:55,040 they should be forced to. 605 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,800 And look, that is me being polite. 606 00:36:57,340 --> 00:37:02,300 Because if you ask me after a couple of Cosmos, I'd say they should try 607 00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:05,640 redirecting all the energy they put into developing labyrinthine systems to trap 608 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,240 their customers into making products or services people actually want to keep 609 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,860 buying. But we all know they're not ready for that conversation. 610 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,720 And now, this. 611 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:24,960 And now, highlights from over the years of the Iowa State Fair's Husband Calling 612 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,960 Contest. 613 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,180 That's our show. Thanks so much for watching. We're off in the next few 614 00:38:29,180 --> 00:38:30,720 weeks, back September 20th. Good night! 60430

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