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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:05,960 (dramatic music) 2 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,960 I'm David Wilson, Emeritus Professor of Criminology, 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,960 and for over 30 years, I've investigated 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,960 the phenomenon of murder 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,960 and what it is that might motivate someone to kill. 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,960 Every murder case is different. 7 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,960 But time and again, a deadly pattern emerges 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,960 of warning signs and red flags. 9 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,960 In this new series, I investigate some of the UK's 10 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:50,960 most harrowing murder cases to understand how and why 11 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,800 these terrible crimes occur. 12 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,960 This is Murder UK. 13 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:22,480 On a sunny March day, 55-year-old music teacher Christopher Donnelly 14 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,000 was reported dead at home. 15 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,960 Though his wife Hannegret suggested 16 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:33,960 the death was natural, police were instantly suspicious. 17 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:36,960 They knew this was no ordinary death, 18 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:39,960 and their initial inquiry focused entirely 19 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:44,640 on proving that a murder had taken place. 20 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,960 Detectives began questioning Hannegret Donnelly. 21 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,960 (Detective) Within your family, what would you say your role is? 22 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,960 Yeah, I don't know. 23 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,960 I like to know what's going on, so... 24 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:17,480 I like to be informed as to what is going on. 25 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,960 I don't like it when people talk behind my back. 26 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,480 (David Wilson) Over the coming weeks, 27 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,960 evidence would emerge suggesting something sinister 28 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,960 happened behind the closed doors of an ordinary home 29 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,960 on an ordinary street. 30 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,000 The first that the emergency services knew about 31 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,960 Christopher's death was when they received a call from Hannegret 32 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,960 using her neighbour's phone to say that 33 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,640 her husband had died the night before. 34 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:47,960 When they attended, they found Christopher 35 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,960 clearly dead on the bathroom floor 36 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,960 with a significant number of injuries. 37 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,960 (David) Hannegret called the emergency services 38 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,960 from her neighbour's phone because the Donnelly family, 39 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,000 Hannegret and Christopher, and their four children 40 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,960 had opted out of society, choosing not to own a phone. 41 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,800 She told the operator Christopher had died the night before, 42 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,960 claiming she'd tried to revive him. 43 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,960 Emergency services immediately noted the unusual delay. 44 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,960 The patient had reportedly died hours earlier. 45 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,960 The 999 operator questioned a little bit, saying, 46 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,960 "When did he die?" And she told him it was 47 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,960 12 hours ago and that she hadn't called in the interim 48 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,960 because they were coming to terms with his death. 49 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,960 Police and ambulance turned up at the same time. 50 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,960 (David) Hannegret's decision to wait 12 hours before calling 51 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,960 for help and also using a neighbour's phone 52 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,960 to do so isn't a sign of panic, 53 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,960 but a deliberate, calculated act. 54 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,960 That delay of 12 hours allows her to decide 55 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,320 what her story is going to be, clean up the crime scene, 56 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,960 calm down. 57 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,960 So from the very start, Hannegret is deliberately staging a narrative 58 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,960 that she would like the outside world to accept 59 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,960 about what happens to her husband. 60 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:40,800 Wounds over his head and face looked several days old. 61 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,960 They'd already scabbed over. 62 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,960 A paramedic also noted a significant admission. 63 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,000 Hannegret stated they'd had a falling out. 64 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:56,960 And when that happened, she hit Christopher with a rolling pin. 65 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,960 Damning evidence begins to emerge. 66 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,960 She admitted that she had assaulted him 67 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,480 at some point in the past, but he had just simply died. 68 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,960 (David) All in all, a series of highly abnormal events 69 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,960 seem to have taken place. 70 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,480 Leaving somebody that at some point you have presumably loved, 71 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,480 regardless of what's happened in your relationship, 72 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,960 to die on their own on a bathroom floor 73 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,960 and not to call the authorities until some 12 hours after 74 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:38,960 life is extinct indicates a lack of any moral fibre, 75 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,160 a lack of any compassion. 76 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,960 It is not a normal response to somebody's death, 77 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,960 and it's one of the most chilling things about this woman. 78 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,800 (David) Police bring the German-born Hannegret in 79 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,960 for further questioning. 80 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,960 She had admitted to assaulting Christopher in the past, 81 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,960 and was that what happened here? 82 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,960 He tripped over and... and... 83 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,800 and fell, and he fell against the crate. 84 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,320 There was a crate, and the crate got broken, 85 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:13,000 and then he cut himself on the head. 86 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,960 (David) Her answers were convoluted. 87 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,800 Police quickly suspected this was far from an accident. 88 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,960 The wounds to Christopher's head were clearly 89 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,160 not caused by falling on a crate. 90 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,960 When Christopher Donnelly's body 91 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,960 was examined, 92 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,960 78 external injuries were found 93 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,960 and internal injuries, which included 94 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,960 a fractured spine and a fractured neck. 95 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:45,640 Even a cursory examination of the body 96 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,960 would have clearly revealed evidence of domestic abuse. 97 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,960 (Neil Lancaster) There was a number of crucial findings 98 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,960 within the home, which actually did point towards this being 99 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,960 a long-running systemic abuse. 100 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,960 There was blood spatters found on the ceiling. 101 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:02,960 There was blood found on the walls and blood found on furniture, 102 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,960 which clearly indicated this isn't just somebody 103 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,960 who's got ill and died. 104 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,960 This is someone who's been violently assaulted 105 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,800 on a number of occasions. 106 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:20,000 (David) It's the forensic discovery of blood spatter on the ceilings 107 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,480 and on the wall that really give us evidence that what happens 108 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,960 to Christopher isn't a singular abusive attack, 109 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,960 but characterised by systematic abuse 110 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,000 over many months, many years. 111 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,160 And of course, what we tend to forget 112 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,960 is that whether you're a man or a woman, 113 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,960 you're more likely to be murdered in a domestic setting 114 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,960 than in an outdoor public space. 115 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,960 The home for Christopher was not a place of sanctuary. 116 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,960 It's the forensic evidence in particular that refutes 117 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:03,960 Hannegret's narrative that this was an accident, 118 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,960 that Christopher had simply fallen onto the crate. 119 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,960 Christopher's official cause of death 120 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,000 was listed as bronchial pneumonia, but police had to 121 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:20,960 determine if the death was accelerated by his wife's violence. 122 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,160 Was this a murder case? 123 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:28,960 When questioned, Hannegret Donnelly offered a bizarre justification. 124 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,960 Her husband had entered a trance, 125 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,960 and she had hit him with a rolling pin simply 126 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:39,320 to force him to snap out of it. 127 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,960 I did hit him a bit harder sometimes, and then... 128 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,960 but as I said, he never... 129 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,960 he... it wasn't that he sort of fell... 130 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,960 fell over and lost consciousness. 131 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,960 Hannegret claimed that frequently the abuse was due to some desire 132 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,960 to bring him out of what she called a trance, 133 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,960 that he would be in a state where he wasn't listening, 134 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,960 and she would want to revive him from that. 135 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,480 But what we know is that Christopher was a very, 136 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,960 very ill man by this point. 137 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,960 He was both physically and mentally weak. 138 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,960 One of the strangest features of this case 139 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:27,640 is the weaponization of Christopher's health. 140 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:32,800 Hannegret actually claims that she was beating Christopher 141 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,960 so as to sort of waken him out of his trance-like state, 142 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,960 whereas, in fact, his trance-like state is caused by the fact 143 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:48,960 that he is being beaten regularly by his wife. 144 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,960 The belief that somehow she can talk her way out 145 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,960 of what has happened to Christopher... 146 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,960 she thinks because she controlled that domestic sphere in the way 147 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:03,960 that she did that she can control all the spheres 148 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,960 outside the home in relation to explaining what might 149 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,960 have happened to her husband. 150 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,960 (David) The police interview tapes offer 151 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:17,800 a crucial window into the true nature of Hannegret Donnelly. 152 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,960 What I see here is somebody whose body language 153 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,960 is very much at odds with the words coming out of her mouth. 154 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,960 She's used to providing a believable, 155 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,160 rational, reasonable, almost professional 156 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,960 account of what happened. 157 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:37,960 (David) What was the real cause of Christopher Donnelly's death? 158 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,960 Bronchopneumonia, or years of beatings at the hands of his wife? 159 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,960 (David) The violence inflicted upon Christopher Donnelly 160 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,320 was dismissed by his wife Hannegret as nothing more 161 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,960 than banter between husband and wife. 162 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,960 It was more like so we had a chase around the kitchen table. 163 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:13,160 Also, it was more... yeah, sometimes just a... yeah. 164 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,960 (Detective) Sorry. What did you say? 165 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,960 Chase around the kitchen table in a more sort of light-hearted way. 166 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:24,960 (David) Her story is simply not adding up. 167 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,960 To charge Hannegret with murder, 168 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,960 detectives had to uncover the truth hidden inside 169 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,960 an ordinary home on the Berryfields estate. 170 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,960 The couple had been married for 23 years. 171 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,640 Christopher, a music teacher with a biochemistry degree, 172 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,800 was a talented musician. 173 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,960 Their life... a husband, wife, and four children... 174 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,000 was a routine dictated by the strong matriarchal influence 175 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,960 of Hannegret Donnelly. 176 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,800 Hannegret Donnelly in some respects is a bit of a mystery. 177 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,960 She and her family very much kept themselves to themselves. 178 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:10,960 (Clare Mackintosh) She trained as a midwife but in fact 179 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,960 hadn't worked since she'd had her children. 180 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,960 She'd been a stay-at-home mum and homeschooling them. 181 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,960 Her husband, Christopher, had a science background, 182 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,960 but he was a very talented musician. 183 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,960 He'd worked as a music teacher for a long time and performed as well. 184 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,800 He was around the same age, a year older than his wife. 185 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,320 They'd been married for 23 years. 186 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,960 So far, the Donnelly story seems normal. 187 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:40,960 But aspects of the household are starkly dissimilar 188 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,960 from the lives of their neighbours. 189 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,960 They were, incredibly, a religious family 190 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,480 with deeply-held beliefs. 191 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,960 They apparently had some type of view around there 192 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,800 being an "end of days existence." 193 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,960 They shunned modern technology. 194 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,160 What emerges is that the Donnelly family... 195 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,960 Hannegret, Christopher, and their four children... 196 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,960 had opted out of society, 197 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,800 with Hannegret at the heart of every decision. 198 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,960 Hannegret had gradually began to take more control 199 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,960 of things in their relationship. 200 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,960 (David) She had little interest in the world 201 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,160 beyond the confines of their four walls. 202 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,960 Such was their mistrust that they took 203 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,960 their children out of mainstream education 204 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,960 and schooled them at home. 205 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,960 All the reports are that they lived a very insular existence 206 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,960 and really didn't associate with neighbours 207 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,960 or anything particularly such as that. 208 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:45,960 I get the sense that Hannegret creates within the home 209 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,960 a kind of psychological fortress. 210 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,960 The home becomes her domain. 211 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,960 The children are homeschooled. 212 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,960 She cuts off technology to the house. 213 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,960 She controls the influences within the house itself. 214 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,160 And therefore, there's no contradictory voices. 215 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:13,960 Was this isolation part of a bigger picture? 216 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,960 Experts agree that isolation is a tried and trusted technique 217 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,000 that's utilised by abusers to gain greater power 218 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,320 over vulnerable victims. 219 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,800 (Sarah Jarvis) It is possible, of course, for families 220 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,960 to be very happy and self-sufficient... 221 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,960 to homeschool their own children, to avoid the evils 222 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,160 of the internet and modern technology. 223 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,960 But it also makes it much, much more difficult for any authorities 224 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,800 to keep an eye on what's going on and to raise concerns 225 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,960 if they see anything out of the ordinary. 226 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,960 (David) Christopher's life took a turn after his marriage. 227 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,960 Though it started well, police uncover 228 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,960 that he had become both physically weak and mentally frail 229 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,960 in recent years. 230 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,960 Her husband initially was a talented musician, 231 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,800 but quite clearly over time became more and more and more weak 232 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,640 and became a shadow of his former self. 233 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,960 By January 2018, 234 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:24,480 Christopher was effectively disabled and unable to walk. 235 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,960 His health simply dwindled over the years of his marriage, 236 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:35,960 likely due to the injuries he suffered at his wife's hands. 237 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,960 We know that Christopher stopped working as a music teacher 238 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,960 in 2015 due to ill health. 239 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,000 And we can only assume that some of that ill health 240 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,640 was as a result of Hannegret's treatment of him. 241 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,960 His mental health began to suffer. 242 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,960 And what's particularly distressing about this case 243 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,960 is the knowledge that Hannegret was abusing 244 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,960 her husband at the very time when he needed her support. 245 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:01,960 So gradually, Christopher became weaker, 246 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,960 not just physically but mentally, 247 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,960 until he wasn't able to defend himself at all. 248 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,960 (David) Detectives needed to know more 249 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,480 from this outwardly cooperative woman 250 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,960 who to many seemed like an unlikely abuser. 251 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,960 The pathologist said he had never seen a case 252 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:29,960 where so many injuries were inflicted. 253 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:35,800 That kind of says it all for Christopher, a 55-year-old man, 254 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,160 to have been subjected to such abuse, 255 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,960 which led to so much scar tissue 256 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:47,960 that even a Home Office pathologist was shocked. 257 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,960 There were a number of old injuries as well 258 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,960 that showed that Christopher's abuse had started 259 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,960 many years previously. 260 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,960 He had a cauliflower ear, which is more commonly associated 261 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,960 with rugby player injuries, and a fracture 262 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,960 to the cartilage in his voice box, 263 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,960 which was consistent with attempted strangulation. 264 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,960 These are not minor injuries. This is not a fit of pique. 265 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:17,960 This is systematic physical abuse using third-party objects, 266 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,960 not just using her fists. 267 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,640 (David) The critical question for detectives was simple. 268 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,320 Can a death from pneumonia be directly linked 269 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,960 to years of sustained beating? 270 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,960 There are different types of pneumonia, and some of them 271 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,960 strike much more quickly than others. 272 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,960 Some of them are very, very virulent. 273 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,960 Some of them can strike completely healthy people 274 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,960 and leave them almost at death's door within hours. 275 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,960 But others are only likely to strike 276 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:55,960 if somebody's physical condition has been so weakened 277 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,960 that that germ can invade more deeply. 278 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,000 It seems highly likely that Christopher 279 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,960 was in such a physically weakened state 280 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:10,960 that even his immune system was giving up. 281 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,960 (David) The pathologist's conclusion was that 282 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,000 Christopher didn't die from natural causes. 283 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,960 He didn't die from bronchial pneumonia. 284 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,960 Instead, he died because of the 78 injuries 285 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,000 that the pathologist was able to determine. 286 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,960 And therefore, in the eyes of the law, 287 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,960 that's where we can bring a murder charge. 288 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:39,960 The abuse of men by women is more common than many people think. 289 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,960 Alex Skeel, who was trapped in a long-term abusive relationship 290 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,960 until his former partner was gaoled, 291 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:52,960 considers the parallels with what happened to Christopher Donnelly. 292 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,000 You can't do anything right. 293 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:02,800 And I always think of it as if you offer to do the cooking, 294 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,640 you're the worst cook in the world. 295 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:05,960 Then if you don't offer to do the cooking, 296 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,960 it's, oh, well, you never cook. 297 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,960 So you're never ever right. 298 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,960 You're always wrong, and there's so many examples. 299 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,960 Like, you're always walking on eggshells, as they say. 300 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,960 And you're just so frightened of doing anything wrong. 301 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,960 And then it gets to the point where you... 302 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,640 almost try and avoid any triggers 303 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,960 that you know that will trigger her off. 304 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,960 You turn into just a robot, and that's... you just... 305 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,960 that's just your way of life, and you can't get out of it. 306 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,960 (David) In the vast majority of domestic abuse cases, 307 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,480 men are the perpetrators. 308 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,960 But as detectives consider a murder charge, 309 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,960 it's clear Hannegret Donnelly's case is far from usual. 310 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,960 It's possible to divide Hannegret's behaviour 311 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,960 into two different types of abuse. 312 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,640 So on the one hand, there was very strong evidence 313 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,960 of systemic physical abuse... 314 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,960 beatings with blunt objects, punching, 315 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,960 jabbing in Christopher's throat. 316 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,000 I suffered abuse for five years. 317 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,960 It started off with really small little things that happened. 318 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,960 And it was simple things like, oh, you can't wear those shoes. 319 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,160 I prefer these shoes. 320 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,960 Oh, you can't have your hair like that. 321 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,320 I don't like the top you're wearing. 322 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,960 I don't like the colour. 323 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,960 So that type of control was down to Hannegret's desire 324 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,960 for knowledge of everything that Christopher was doing, 325 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,960 where he was going, what he was thinking, 326 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,960 withholding trips to the toilet, withholding medical treatment, 327 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,960 complete control of somebody else's life. 328 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,960 What's unusual here is that that abuse does not 329 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,480 seem to be motivated, as we might expect, 330 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,960 by any kind of anger or hatred of her victim, 331 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,480 but rather by an unquestioning belief 332 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,960 in her own absolute authority. 333 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:05,960 (Sarah) This very much speaks to a woman who is a complete bully, 334 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,960 who is an abuser, and, relatively unusually, 335 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,800 a physical abuser of a man, but also a woman 336 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:19,640 who has no remorse and who believes that her enjoyment 337 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,640 of life, her satisfaction, and that avoiding any irritations 338 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,960 of her life are more important than anything else. 339 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,960 It may even be that she got perverse pleasure 340 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:37,960 out of tormenting her eventually completely powerless husband. 341 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:43,960 (David) 9 out of 10 murder perpetrators are men. 342 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,960 But that does mean there is a small group of women 343 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,160 who are prepared to use lethal violence, 344 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,960 and Hannegret is one of those people. 345 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,960 She was enjoying the control, the total control, 346 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,960 that she exercised over Christopher, 347 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:03,960 the way that she created this isolated environment 348 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,960 in which she could do as she pleased. 349 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,960 It's now believed that Christopher suffered over a decade of abuse. 350 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,960 Throughout that entire time, his physical condition meant 351 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,960 he was rendered effectively defenceless. 352 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,640 So with every subsequent act of violence 353 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,480 that she inflicted upon her husband, he was weakened. 354 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,320 And therefore, the next act of violence 355 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,960 became even more impactful, was even more powerful, 356 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,960 had an even more powerful effect. 357 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,960 She reduced him over time almost to the state of a wounded animal. 358 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,960 It was more like... so we had a chase around the kitchen table. 359 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:49,960 Also, it was more... yeah, sometimes just a... yeah. 360 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,960 (Detective) Sorry, what did you say? 361 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,960 Chase around the kitchen table in a more sort of light-hearted way. 362 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,960 (David) The picture detectives are forming 363 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,960 is a living hell for a man hidden in plain sight... 364 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,800 Christopher beaten, scolded, trapped. 365 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,960 Alex Skeel understands that feeling. 366 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,960 Yeah, you just don't want to leave because you fear that 367 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,480 possibly something could happen to the children. 368 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,960 She even threatened to kill me if I tried to leave. 369 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,000 But you're just stuck. 370 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,320 (David) The police were now uncovering the truly horrific 371 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:31,640 reality of life inside the Donnelly family home. 372 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,960 (David) Four children were part of the Donnelly family, 373 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,960 yet not one of them complained about their mother's 374 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,640 treatment of their father. 375 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,960 Given the circumstances, it's highly unlikely 376 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,960 that they would have been able to. 377 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,960 It doesn't surprise me that none of the children 378 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,960 came forward to the authorities. 379 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,960 It's clear that Hannegret ruled that family with a rod of iron. 380 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,640 And no doubt, anyone in that family... children, 381 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,480 as well as Christopher... were absolutely terrified of her. 382 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,960 (David) Because the family had no visitors and saw few people, 383 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,960 Christopher had no sense of hope. 384 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,960 His children were isolated from anyone who might help, too. 385 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,960 What shocked me the most was just how vulnerable Christopher was, 386 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,960 and the fact that nobody noticed that here was 387 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,640 a family with children who were living on a very ordinary estate, 388 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,960 in a very ordinary town, and yet somehow they went under the radar. 389 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:48,960 (David) The key to Hannegret's long-term abuse of Christopher 390 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,960 was, in fact, ensuring their children's silence. 391 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,960 You know, the children weren't able to talk about 392 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,960 what it was that they saw, the fact that their mother 393 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,000 was abusing their father. 394 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,960 The children's silence becomes also a means by which we have 395 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,640 to recognise that this was a very psychologically 396 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,320 controlling domestic environment. 397 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,960 And in that respect, the children are also victims. 398 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:25,960 This systematic, psychological controlled environment 399 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:31,000 creates almost a vacuum in which it's possible 400 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,480 to physically abuse Christopher 401 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,960 for year after year after year. 402 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,960 Hannegret Donnelly's power over Christopher was unquestionable. 403 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,960 The abuse was so frequent, it became the norm. 404 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,960 The relationship dynamic had shifted so completely 405 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,320 that Christopher was unable to function 406 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,160 without his wife's say-so. 407 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:01,320 What is clear here is that the level of control 408 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,320 and the level of abuse made this 409 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,960 an almost everyday occurrence, a level of abuse 410 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,160 that had simply become accepted. 411 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,960 It's just so lonely and dark. 412 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,640 And you don't have anyone to talk to. 413 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,800 I can imagine there was probably no conversations 414 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,960 that went on between them, other than arguments. 415 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,640 It's just the way it is, and it's really a horrible way to live. 416 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,320 I have read some reports where Hannegret suggested 417 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,960 that Christopher almost invited these beatings. 418 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,960 (tense music) 419 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,960 Well, I struggle to think that a relationship that plumbed 420 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,320 to the depths that this did was ever a relationship 421 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,320 that was ever built on equality. 422 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,160 (Donna Youngs) To me, it feels like somebody who was almost 423 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,960 brainwashed as a child, somebody who's come out 424 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,160 of some really kind of bizarre childhood upbringing 425 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,000 that has taught her to think in this way about human relationships 426 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,960 and about the need to maintain control. 427 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,960 That's what I would suspect with Hannegret. 428 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,960 (David) What we do know is that her power over Christopher 429 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,960 was absolute. 430 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,960 After the police arrested Hannegret, they seized her diary. 431 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,960 And among the entries in there was clear evidence of abuse, 432 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,960 not least the fact that Hannegret had refused to let her husband 433 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,160 go to the toilet. 434 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:35,480 And this withholding of a basic human need is particularly cruel. 435 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,960 It's not just controlling, but it's dehumanising. 436 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,480 And it's a particularly shocking part of this case. 437 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,960 (David) It now seems likely that Christopher Donnelly, 438 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,160 suffering from years of abuse, 439 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,960 actually thought he was the one in the wrong. 440 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,960 Blaming it upon yourself when you are a victim is quite common. 441 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,960 Most people that I've spoken to... 442 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:04,960 that's male, female, whatever gender, age, ethnicity... 443 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,480 I've had thousands of people message me... 444 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,320 they've all said the same thing. 445 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,960 I thought it was my fault, when in fact, it isn't at all. 446 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,960 They're just made to believe that. 447 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,160 And that's why it kind of makes it worse, 448 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,160 because I think for a lot of people, 449 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,800 you try and sort of... 450 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,320 please them more to make out that it isn't your... 451 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,960 because you just completely feel it is your fault. 452 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,960 And you're doing something wrong, so you try and change it. 453 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,960 But then it goes back to what I was saying about 454 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,960 cooking the food or not cooking the food. 455 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,960 It just goes back to that. 456 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,960 It's a vicious circle, and it just goes round and round and round. 457 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:43,800 And I think, yeah, you do feel as though it's your own fault. 458 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,960 But then part of you knows that it isn't. 459 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,960 (David) The problem facing detectives, 460 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:54,640 having amassed evidence of abuse and control, is proving the murder. 461 00:28:54,640 --> 00:29:00,640 If Hannegret is a killer, how can they get her to confess? 462 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,960 To be honest, Hannegret's perfectly composed 463 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,800 during her police interviews. 464 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,960 She's calm. 465 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,800 She doesn't feel under pressure. 466 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,960 She's simply selling her narrative. 467 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,640 And that's because she's lived within an environment 468 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,960 in which her narrative, her word, was law. 469 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,960 Why wouldn't it be law in this environment, too? 470 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,960 An interview in a murder case such as this, 471 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,000 there will be a formal strategy which will be agreed 472 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,960 with the senior investigating officer. 473 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,960 First of all, I tried to sort this out with him 474 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,960 in sort of a bantering sort of way. 475 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,960 (Neil) The strategy would have been, 476 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:42,960 we need to find out what's going on. 477 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,000 We need to get her talking. That didn't seem to be a problem. 478 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,960 She seemed eager to talk. 479 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,800 And they would then be thinking, I mean, obviously to prove murder, 480 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,960 they need to prove that she caused really serious harm to him 481 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,960 and she intended to cause really serious harm to him. 482 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,800 That would then prove murder, bearing in mind he's dead, 483 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,960 if they can prove that she inflicted the injury upon him 484 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,960 that resulted in his death. 485 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,960 Bantering, sort of. 486 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,960 (David) During the police interviews, 487 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,000 it becomes quickly apparent that for a person like Hannegret, 488 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:17,960 violence is a perfectly acceptable tool to reinforce her dominance. 489 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,640 I did hit him a bit harder sometimes. 490 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,960 Hannegret Donnelly's police interviews are truly chilling. 491 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,960 I don't think I've ever heard a criminal talk 492 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,960 in such a dispassionate way about such a horrific crime. 493 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,960 As I said to the interviewer, it wasn't that he sort of 494 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,960 fell over and lost consciousness. 495 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,960 She dismisses her actions as banter and as normal behaviour 496 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:53,480 in a relationship and really shows no sign of compassion 497 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,960 or love for the man that she's killed. 498 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,960 It was more like we had a chase around 499 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,960 the kitchen table, or also it was more, 500 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,480 yeah, sometimes just a... yeah. 501 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,640 (Detective) Sorry, what did you say? 502 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,960 Chase around the kitchen table in a more sort of light-hearted way. 503 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,960 It was quite disturbing to watch. 504 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,160 She was incredibly calm, not visibly distressed, 505 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,320 and almost matter-of-fact. 506 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,960 And she actually described what had happened at the house 507 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,960 in almost a forensic level of detail. 508 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,480 She would almost talk about that there would be banter between them 509 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,640 while she was assaulting him. 510 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,960 It was an incredibly cavalier view of what was 511 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,960 a terrible, systemic level of violence towards her husband. 512 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,960 She came across as incredibly cold and detached 513 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,960 from what must have been an entirely horrific situation. 514 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,960 I'd like to know what's going on, so... 515 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,640 It sounds very much as if this woman was paranoid. 516 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,960 I would like to be informed as to what is going on. 517 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,960 I don't like when people talk behind my back. 518 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,960 She was absolutely determined to be in control at all times, 519 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,960 and she didn't like any secrets going on. 520 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,960 Now, that paranoia might have meant that she felt that people 521 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,960 were scheming behind her back. 522 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,000 Heaven knows they had reason to try and scheme and get away. 523 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,960 So it was all part of this idea of keeping control. 524 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,800 This was clearly a woman who was terrified of losing control. 525 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,960 I get upset when I feel that there's some sort of things 526 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,960 going on that... that I'm not told about. 527 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,960 That's why she had to keep her family near her. 528 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,960 She kept them under her thumb inside the home. 529 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,960 Now, that would mean that they wouldn't feel they had anywhere 530 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,960 they could go and speak freely, anywhere that they could 531 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,320 be themselves, and of course, 532 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,960 anybody that they could turn to for help. 533 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,960 I've met lots of criminals over the course of my police career, 534 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,960 and I've researched even more as a result of my crime-writing years. 535 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,960 I don't think I've ever come across such a terrifying figure 536 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,960 as Hannegret Donnelly. 537 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,960 The lack of compassion and the extent of her abuse 538 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,960 is truly horrific. 539 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,960 And arguably, if I wrote a character that bad, 540 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,960 I'm not sure anyone would believe that she could exist. 541 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,960 But then it did get... 542 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,160 (David) The primary challenge for detectives 543 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,960 was forcing a confession from Hannegret Donnelly. 544 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,960 As they applied pressure, could the truth emerge from how 545 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,960 she reacted to their questioning? 546 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,960 Does that mean he's fallen down the whole... 547 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,960 pretty much the whole flight of stairs? 548 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,640 No, no. As I said, he... he... 549 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,960 (Donna) It's an interesting, gradual evolution of recognition 550 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,960 that she just might have done something wrong. 551 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:53,960 He fell against a crate. 552 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,960 There was a crate, and the crate got broken, 553 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,640 and then he cut himself. 554 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,480 (David) As Hannegret Donnelly tries to explain away 555 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,960 her brutal treatment of Christopher, 556 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,960 even the rolling pin attack, what does her body language betray? 557 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,960 And how does it contradict her claims about his death? 558 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,960 First of all, I tried to sort things out with him in sort 559 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,960 of a bantering sort of way. 560 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,960 (David) Donnelly freely admits hitting Christopher. 561 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,000 I punched him on his nose severely, 562 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,960 because I was so angry with him. 563 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,960 But he didn't have such a big cut. 564 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,960 He had just a small cut. 565 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,960 (Detective) Do you feel that hitting him 566 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,960 over the head with a rolling pin, with a hairbrush, 567 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,960 using your hands and fists, 568 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,960 is a appropriate reaction to him 569 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,160 acting in that way, being in his strange moods? 570 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,960 It's more like just helping him to come out 571 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,320 of some sort of peculiar trance. 572 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,960 Just how uncomfortable she's starting to feel, 573 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,960 we can see in the way that she clenches her hands together, 574 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,800 as if trying to give herself some kind of reassurance. 575 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,000 (Detective) But if you're on the landing... 576 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,960 And there's the mystified shaking of the head. 577 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,960 (Detective) Does that mean he's falling down the whole... pretty 578 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,960 much the whole flight of stairs? 579 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,960 No, no. As I said, he walked... 580 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,160 (Detective) These times that you've hit him, 581 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,960 they weren't a result of him being violent to you? 582 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,640 No. 583 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,960 During the interviews, the detectives 584 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,960 tried to establish whether Hannegret felt she was 585 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,960 justified in doing what she did. 586 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,960 (loud boom) 587 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,960 She did not. 588 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,960 (Detective) Within your family, what would you say your role is? 589 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,960 Um... 590 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,960 Yeah, I don't know. 591 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,960 She pauses in annoyance. 592 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,320 She's annoyed at being asked this question. 593 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,960 She thinks it's none of the interviewer's business. 594 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,960 She has never had to explain herself within her household. 595 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,960 (Hannegret) I'd like to know what's going on, so... 596 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,960 Yeah. 597 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,960 I'd like to be informed as to what is going on. 598 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,960 I don't like... like it when people talk behind my back. 599 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,960 (David) I was quite intrigued by the interview footage taken 600 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,960 by the police that Hannegret never identifies 601 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,960 a family member by their name. 602 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,960 It's always kind of anonymized. 603 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,960 The environment doesn't include individuals. 604 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,960 It's just simply the family. 605 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,160 She likes to be informed about what's going on, 606 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,000 but no-one is ever mentioned. 607 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,480 No-one ever gets an identity. 608 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,960 They lack identity in her language, because 609 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,320 she hasn't given them an identity. 610 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,960 They merely are extensions of herself. 611 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:11,960 I get upset when I feel that there's some sort of 612 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,640 things going on that... that I'm not told about. 613 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,960 There's no indication in her face, her expression, her body 614 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,960 language, that she's aware that what she's saying is in any way 615 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,960 potentially offensive. 616 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,960 It's... it's more like this... 617 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:39,960 Helping him to come out of some sort of peculiar trance. 618 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,960 No, I can't say it's a trance, but it's a sort of peculiar, 619 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,960 yeah, feeling, feeling strangely. 620 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,960 I don't know. 621 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,960 This is very interesting, where, for a moment, 622 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,800 she gives up for just a moment. 623 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,960 She's exhausted by the questions. 624 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,960 This is the first flicker of recognition to herself 625 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,960 that she's guilty but also that she maybe 626 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,960 be being seen as guilty by the interviewer, 627 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,960 that she may have lost her hold on control. 628 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,960 (David) The use of the word "trance" 629 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,800 by Donnelly may have some element of truth behind it, 630 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,960 again, because of Christopher's condition. 631 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,960 Bronchopneumonia can cause a wide variety of symptoms. 632 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,960 But of course, it can have an impact on your mental state, 633 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,960 because if you're lacking oxygen to the brain, 634 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,960 and if you have germs flooding around your body, 635 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,960 you can feel lightheaded. 636 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,480 You can feel dizzy. You can feel confused. 637 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,960 And it's entirely possible that your level of consciousness would 638 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,000 drop so that you would enter what his wife described as a, 639 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,960 "trance-like state." 640 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,960 No normal wife would dream of dealing with that 641 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,960 by hitting him with a rolling pin to knock it out of him. 642 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,960 (David) But that is exactly what she did, 643 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:07,320 regardless of whether she's prepared to admit it. 644 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,960 There's a lot of pride in the general body language here. 645 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,960 There's a refusal to alter her expression, 646 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,960 whatever the interviewer throws at her. 647 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,960 The expression is just maintained throughout. 648 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,960 There's no natural response, and that that's an indication 649 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,960 of a lot of pride in the personality. 650 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,960 Hannegret had clearly lost touch with any shred of common decency. 651 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,960 She would beat Christopher if he didn't answer a question 652 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,960 quickly enough or if she felt he was in some kind of trance. 653 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,960 She was evil. She terrified him. 654 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,960 And she ran that house through fear and intimidation. 655 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,960 One can only imagine what horrors 656 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,960 the children may have seen or heard. 657 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,960 I feel sorry for him, but again, I just feel... 658 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,960 I know how he was feeling at that time. 659 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,960 I knew my body was shutting down, and I was waiting to die. 660 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,960 I just thought, well, the next time I get 661 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,960 stabbed, next time I get hit, 662 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,960 it's going to be in the wrong place, 663 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,160 or the knife's going to go a little bit deeper, 664 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,960 or go in the wrong way. 665 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,320 And eventually, I just... my body would shut down, 666 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,960 and I can completely... 667 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,960 I'm uncomfortable thinking about it. 668 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,960 (David) Dehumanising Christopher, 669 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,960 which is precisely what Hannegret did, helped her justify 670 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,960 the beatings she inflicted. 671 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,960 So Hannegret is what we call a "victim as object" murderer, 672 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,800 meaning that she doesn't see her victim as fully human, 673 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,960 so that actually they're not that relevant to her as an individual 674 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,800 in any kind of emotional sense. 675 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,960 And the murders, the murders in these types of cases, 676 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,640 can often be the incidental, the consequences simply, 677 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,640 of her enactment of her absolute control on an object. 678 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,960 The murder is often incidental. 679 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,000 (David) I get the distinct impression 680 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,960 that because of the systematic abuse 681 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:28,000 that Christopher had suffered that he no longer has, 682 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,960 in Hannegret's mind, the status of being human, 683 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,960 that he's been reduced to being an object. 684 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,960 He's denied his humanity. 685 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,800 And because he's denied his humanity, 686 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,960 that, perversely, will allow the abuse to escalate. 687 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,960 Because once you deny that someone is the same as you, 688 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,800 that someone is lesser than you, 689 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,960 it is much easier to cause them harm. 690 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:03,960 Hannegret's initial wounding charge is escalated to murder 691 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,960 after all the forensic, post-mortem, 692 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,960 and interview evidence is collated. 693 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,960 Despite the massive amount of evidence, 694 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,800 she enters a not guilty plea. 695 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,960 (Neil) She also maintained the fact that she never 696 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,960 intended to kill her husband. 697 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,960 Despite her not guilty plea, she was found unanimously guilty 698 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,960 by the jury on the 20th of March, 2019, 699 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,800 and sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 16 years. 700 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:40,480 (ominous music) 701 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,960 (David) Hannegret Donnelly is statistically a very rare killer. 702 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,960 Coercion and murder are much more often perpetrated 703 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,960 by men in domestic abuse cases. 704 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:06,000 But as Alex Skeel discovered, violence can come from anybody. 705 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,000 Christopher Donnelly discovered that, too. 706 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,960 At the start of our relationship, 707 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,960 it was the first relationship that I had, so everything felt normal. 708 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,960 But obviously, now I can look back and see things and go, 709 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,960 well, that wasn't, but at the time, I was happy. 710 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,960 It was nice to sort of tell your mates 711 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,960 that you went out at the weekend and just felt normal. 712 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,960 But obviously, things steadily gets worse and worse and worse 713 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,960 and worse and worse, and then... 714 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,960 I just find it weird that I was 715 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,960 sort of a young person in sixth form. 716 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,160 And then five years later, for no fault of my own, 717 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,960 I was about two weeks away, 10 days, from dying. 718 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,960 And I could feel that happening. 719 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,960 But it wasn't my fault that that was happening. 720 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,000 It was just a terrible place to be in. 721 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,960 And there's nothing I could have done about it, 722 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,960 because I literally had no money. 723 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,960 (David) Hannegret Donnelly had beaten and coerced 724 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,800 her husband, taking complete control 725 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,960 of his life and their children. 726 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,960 It was the years of degradation and abuse 727 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,960 that led directly to his physical collapse. 728 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,160 When he contracted pneumonia, his life was on the line, 729 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,320 not because of the illness, 730 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,800 but because of his wife. 731 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,960 (Clare) It might be easy to assume 732 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,960 that the most shocking element of this case 733 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,960 is that the offender is a woman. 734 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,800 We are perhaps very used to domestic violence 735 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,960 being committed by men. 736 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,960 But men are victims of domestic violence far too often. 737 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,960 And what this case shows is that this is a very real problem 738 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,960 that needs to be addressed, regardless of the genders 739 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,960 of the people involved. 740 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:09,960 (David) Hannegret Donnelly will not be eligible for parole until 2034. 741 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:15,960 Safeguards are now in place for the couple's four children. 742 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:21,960 Hannegret Donnelly wasn't convicted of murdering her husband 743 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,960 because of a single blow. 744 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,960 She was convicted of murdering Christopher Donnelly after years 745 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:34,960 of prolonged and systematic physical abuse. 746 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,960 You know, there are already a number of pressures 747 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,960 to keep the victims of domestic abuse silent. 748 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,960 And I think we have to acknowledge through this case 749 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,960 and through other cases which are similar 750 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,960 that there are equal, if not greater, 751 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:57,960 pressures on men who are suffering domestic abuse to keep silent, too. 752 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,960 (dramatic music) 753 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,960 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 63943

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