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I'm David Wilson, emeritus
professor of criminology.
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And for over 30 years,
I've investigated
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the phenomenon of murder
and what it is that might
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motivate someone to kill.
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Every murder case is different.
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But time and again, a
deadly pattern emerges
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of warning signs and red flags.
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In this new series, I
investigate some of the UK's most
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harrowing murder cases
to understand how and why
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these terrible crimes occur.
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This is Murder UK.
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In the summer of 2011, Stepping
Hill Hospital in Stockport
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sees a sudden, terrifying
outbreak of illness.
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The medical staff are immediately
confronted by a series
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of events that defy logic.
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22 people collapse unexpectedly.
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(Nazir Afzal)
It was a normal month.
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There are... undoubtedly,
every day, every week,
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people die in hospital,
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even those who come in on,
you know, chest infections
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or something not remotely serious.
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But when you've got a spate of
people suffering serious harm
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who've come in for
relatively innocuous reasons,
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you know, a chest infection
or whatever,
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questions are going to be
asked about what's happening.
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And the initial reaction
at the hospital
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is to seek a scientific
explanation
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for what's going on.
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They look at monitoring equipment.
Is it faulty?
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Is there something going
wrong with the administration
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of the medicines?
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(David Wilson)
Then, people start to die.
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(Sarah Jarvis) Of course,
when people go into hospital,
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almost by definition,
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they are ill or about to undergo
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a medical or a surgical procedure.
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But many of the patients who died
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were not at the end
of their lives.
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Many of them
were relatively young.
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Once is suspicious.
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Twice is a little more suspicious.
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A dozen times, something's up.
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(Stephen Wright)
My name is Stephen Wright.
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I'm associate editor at
The Daily Mail newspaper.
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And I cover crime
and investigations.
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I've covered some of the biggest
crime cases, both in the UK
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and abroad.
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Normally, I get attracted
to stories which
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involve some degree of scandal.
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The police were called
in to investigate
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because people were dying.
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And it was a mystery,
a big mystery.
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I know that from
talking to my contacts
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in Greater Manchester Police, such
was the concern that this was out
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of control, the idea was
even contemplated that they'd
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shut down the hospital.
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(David) The scale of the crisis
forces Greater Manchester Police
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to call in Detective Superintendent
Simon Barraclough
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to lead an investigation into
the unexpected collapses.
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(Simon Barraclough) We didn't know
why people were becoming ill.
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We didn't know the
source of that illness.
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So, in other words,
whether somebody
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was actually deliberately in
the hospital poisoning patients.
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And what was actually
happening was happening
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within that hospital on two
of the very busiest wards
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in the hospital.
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(Stephen) What stood out
really about these episodes
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was that people were coming
in for all types of illnesses.
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It wasn't a particular person
or a particular age group.
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(David) The police
start to investigate
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individual patient files.
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Josephine Walsh
was a 72-year-old woman.
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She had suffered from a
chronic lung condition,
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but a treatable one, and
was thought to be getting
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better when she was taken ill.
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(David) She's given a saline
bag to help rehydrate her.
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Using bags of saline to keep
people hydrated are absolutely
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standard practice on every ward.
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There are many patients who
are unable to drink, either
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because they're unwell or
because they're about to have
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or have recently had surgery.
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It is absolutely standard.
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If you walk into pretty much any
adult hospital ward, whether it's
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a surgical or a medical one, you
will see numerous patients hooked
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up to intravenous bags of saline.
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(David) But Josephine's saline
bag doesn't offer rehydration.
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Instead, she describes a terrifying
feeling of sudden decline.
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(Stephen) She gave a very graphic
description of how she felt
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she was dying, how she could
not believe the symptoms
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she was suffering, feeling
dizzy, and her blood
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sugar levels had gone way down.
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The normal times that we see
severe levels of what we call
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hypoglycaemia, or
low blood sugar, are
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among people using insulin as
a treatment, usually people
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with type 1 diabetes.
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Sometimes, people with type 2
diabetes need insulin as well.
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(David) Josephine doesn't have
diabetes and does not need insulin.
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Mercifully, when
she did come round,
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someone gave her some
Lucozade, something
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as simple as that to get
her sugar levels back up
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and quite possibly save her life.
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But her statement gave a
really harrowing account
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of what it was like,
the agonising feelings
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that you had as the saline
drip's taking effect in her body.
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(David) The medical
anomaly in these cases
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is the discovery of
severe hypoglycaemia
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in patients who aren't diabetic.
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How does insulin come
to be in bags of saline?
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And that shifts the focus
of the investigation
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into a contaminated product.
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We have to look at access,
access not just to the patients,
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but also to the bags of saline.
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And that will shift the focus
of the investigation away
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from specific illnesses
that individual patients
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might have had to the
contaminated product itself.
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And Josephine is the first
of many hypoglycaemic attacks
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on wards A1 and A3.
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(Sarah) Grant Misell
was just 41 years old.
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And he'd come in with an overdose.
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Now, he was expected to
make a full recovery.
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And he'd just been kept in
for observation.
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(Stephen) When he did
arrive at the hospital,
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he was examined and
treated with a saline drip.
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Mr Misell was to suffer
life-changing brain damage
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as a result of that interaction.
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And this very wealthy,
successful man was warned
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he would never be the same again.
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On admission, Grant is seen
by a male nurse, Victorino Chua.
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His comments in the patients' notes
provide a profound contradiction,
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entirely dismissing
Grant's critical state
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and raising immediate
questions about his intent.
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(Donna Youngs) Grant Misell is
exhibiting all the signs
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of a hypoglycaemic attack, but
Victorino writes up his notes
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as the patient is settled,
the patient is calm,
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and doesn't draw attention
to the clear medical emergency
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in front of him.
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(David) As the investigation
intensifies, the chaos
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on wards A1 and A3 only grows.
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Stepping Hill Hospital
is desperate to pinpoint
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the source of the
patient collapses,
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but the truth remains hidden.
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There was no sign of
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this trend,
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this very worrying trend ending,
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and obviously, a situation
of deep, deep concern.
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I don't think, at that stage,
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people in the authorities
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contemplated the idea that a nurse
charged with caring for people
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could be setting out to
cause complete mayhem.
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(Donna) Over the course of
the next just five weeks,
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there are more than
20 incidents of people
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seeming to suffer from
unexplained insulin overdosing.
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And in fact, there are
two deaths as a result
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of these incidents in that period.
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(Stephen) Tracey Arden
was a woman who
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was 44 years of age when
she was admitted to Stepping Hill
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in the summer of 2011.
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She was a sufferer of
multiple sclerosis.
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She wouldn't have had
a long life expectancy.
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Nevertheless, she was not expected
to die that year in hospital.
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(David) Shortly
after Tracey's death,
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another patient, Derek Weaver,
follows the same pattern.
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(Stephen) Weaver was
in his early 80s who
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suffered from a
chronic lung condition
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when he was admitted to hospital.
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Unfortunately, in this
case, because of the impact
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of the low blood sugar on his
body's ability to fight off
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the infection,
he died not directly
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as a result
of the low blood sugar,
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but indirectly as a
result of the effect
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that that had
on his body's ability
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to fight the bacterial infection
that he'd come in with.
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(David) The day after
Derek Weaver's death,
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a nurse on ward A1
notices a critical detail.
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Five weeks after
this outbreak has started,
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on the 11th of July, 2011,
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we have a young nurse
about to administer
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a saline drip when she notices
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that the saline
appears to be foamy, frothy,
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which it shouldn't be.
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They immediately reported this.
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And it was as a result of that
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that it was discovered
that that ampoule
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had been tampered with.
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She can smell
the disinfectant type aroma
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of artificial insulin.
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The nurse immediately
informs the senior staff.
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And an investigation of all the
medicines in the treatment rooms
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is immediately carried out.
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(David) The sense of fear that
people have about what's happening
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on the wards provides the
killer with a great deal
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of psychological satisfaction.
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The killer must understand that
they are the cause
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of what is happening,
but are unidentified.
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That gives to them a sense
of power, a sense of control,
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and also an imperceptible
sense of being unimpeachable.
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And of course, what that does is
feed into the killer's narcissism,
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the need to be the
centre of attention,
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the need to be the person that
everybody's talking about.
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(Sarah) The medical
team immediately
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went on to examine other
ampoules and intravenous bags
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and discovered that
many of them, too,
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had been tampered with and
contaminated, mostly with insulin.
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Those bags are plastic.
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And they are relatively easy,
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because they're plastic,
of course,
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to get a needle,
to inject a needle into
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in order to contaminate
them with something else.
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The police arrive
at Stepping Hill Hospital.
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Their investigation,
called Operation Roxburgh, begins.
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The moment Operation Roxburgh
was set up,
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everything at the hospital
changed.
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CCTV was set up at the entrance.
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It was set up in the treatment
rooms, at the drug storage rooms.
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Everybody was under
constant monitoring.
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(David) And more saline bags are
found to have been contaminated.
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On discovery of 19
contaminated saline ampoules
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in the treatment resource room,
CCTV is put into place.
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And the medications are kept under
much higher levels of security
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as the police try to
establish what's going on.
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Clearly, there's a climate
of fear and suspicion.
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And it becomes apparent that
there is wrongdoing going on,
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that this is no longer
being treated
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as some kind of technical
or scientific problem.
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Somebody is deliberately
causing harm.
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After these bags have been
found to be contaminated,
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the police look at others.
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And we discover that
it's not just saline bags
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that are being contaminated.
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A bag of metronidazole,
which is an antibiotic
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used to treat severe
infections, has also
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been contaminated with insulin.
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And another bag has been
contaminated with lidocaine,
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which is used as a
local anaesthetic,
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but which can also cause
abnormal heart rhythms
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and can be potentially fatal.
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(Nazir) Other nurses carrying
out their normal activities
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were putting people at
risk without any knowledge
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that they were doing so.
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Nurses were being accompanied
by security guards
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doing their job in July
of 2011 because they
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were so concerned about
what was happening.
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The whole organisation was in...
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well, in real danger
of falling apart.
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(Sarah) Access was restricted to
even intravenous saline, which
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normally, you'd never
think of as something
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that you would need to look
carefully about, that you would
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need to pay close attention to.
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So everybody is going to be
suspecting everybody else
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and worrying about the impact,
not just on each other,
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but, of course,
also on patients.
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(David) Police launch a methodical,
painstaking search for clues.
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They must now systematically
dissect the entire operation
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patient by patient, shift by shift.
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The police do a meticulous and
detailed cross-referencing of all
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the hypoglycaemic incidents
that have occurred
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in the hospital and
monitor the shift
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patterns of more than 4,000 staff.
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(Sarah) The investigating team
set about looking at every episode
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that they could find of
hypoglycaemia, low blood sugar,
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and cross-referenced
all of those episodes
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with which staff were on duty.
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That must have been a horrible
time for all the staff,
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worrying whether they
might come under suspicion.
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(David) The police's investigation
leads to one particular name,
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Rebecca Leighton.
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Her fingerprint
is found on a saline bag
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that the police suspect
was contaminated.
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(Nazir) Very early on
in this investigation,
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the police presented
some evidence which gave cause
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for concern sufficient enough
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for her to be charged
not with murder
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but with causing criminal damage
which endangers people's lives,
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i.e. potentially damaging
the saline drips.
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(David) Rebecca Leighton is
remanded in Styal Prison.
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There was some pressure
to deal with this,
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from a police perspective,
as early as possible.
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And that meant...
not cutting corners.
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It meant that when they
became aware, as they did,
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of somebody who was perhaps
involved in nothing overly
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criminal, but some kind
of criminal activity,
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the suspicion fell on
this particular person.
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And then, sadly, the police's
role was to try and find
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as much evidence against her
without thinking there might
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be somebody else at work here.
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(David) In arresting and
prosecuting Rebecca Leighton,
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you see the police almost forced
into making a decision
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when there simply isn't the
evidence beyond a reasonable doubt
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to make that prosecution.
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And what does the arrest
of Rebecca Leighton
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do for the killer psychologically?
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Well, it makes him
feel unimpeachable.
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It makes him feel even more
powerful, even more in control.
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After six weeks in prison, all
charges against her are dropped.
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There's no evidence
she was a poisoner.
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(Nazir) Thankfully,
after six weeks,
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I'd come to the conclusion
there wasn't enough evidence
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against her,
dropped the case against her.
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She was very vocal
and later successfully
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sued Greater Manchester Police.
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(David) The police later
pay Rebecca Leighton
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53,000 pounds to settle
out of court for breach
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of privacy and negligence.
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(Stephen) I mean, that was
really a sensational development
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and increased the interest level
in the case,
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you know,
a proper crime mystery.
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Who was it?
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The attacker was still at large.
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(Nazir) There was urgency.
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And that urgency was such that,
ultimately, the wrong person
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was suspected initially.
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(Sarah) It must have been
horrible for all the staff
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left behind when the colleague
with whom they'd worked regularly,
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and may well have liked
and trusted,
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was arrested.
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Suddenly, they were left shaken,
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but almost more shaken
when it then
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becomes apparent that she
didn't commit these crimes
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and is released.
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Because the staff will then
have realised that, actually,
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they've spent the last
six weeks still living
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and working with the culprit.
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A murderer has been
among their midst
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all that time, even when they
thought they had been caught.
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(David) After Rebecca's
release, a quiet calm
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settles over Stepping Hill.
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The attacks stop,
but only for a time.
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(Stephen) By that time,
the medical store cupboards
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had a lot more security around
them, which meant that
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whoever it was who was believed to
be contaminating medical products
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wouldn't have such easy access.
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Should the killer, the attacker,
wish to continue their spree,
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have to find a new method.
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(dramatic music)
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Everything seems to be
getting back to normal
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at Stepping Hill Hospital
until the night
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when Victorino Chua
gets into an argument
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with the daughter of one elderly
patient that he's looking after.
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(David) 86-year-old
Maria Pawlyszyn is
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admitted to Ward A3 after suffering
a suspected mild heart attack.
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The nurse who looked after
Grant Misell is on shift,
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Victorino Chua.
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(Donna) Her daughter, who gets
into an argument with Victorino
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over the suggestion
from another doctor
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that her mother needs
a heart monitor,
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and Victorino sulkily
throws a heart monitor
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without a plug at the patient.
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The daughter, in fury,
argues with Victorino.
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The next morning,
her prescription
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charts are found to
have been altered,
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and not even very well altered.
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It's pretty crude.
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On careful examination, it turns
out that she's not the only one.
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(Donna) And in fact,
the prescription
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charts of five other
female patients
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have also been clumsily altered.
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(David) Altering prescription
charts can be deadly.
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(Sarah) In hospital, patients will
have a prescription chart which
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will give medications that
they are to be given regularly,
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along with how they're to
be given, the dose they're
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to be given, how often they're
to be given, and so on,
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and drugs which are to be given
as needed, so for instance,
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painkillers, which may be
needed and given as required.
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Those prescriptions are all
checked against each other.
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So if a prescription
chart has been changed
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and nobody notices,
then the patient may well be
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given something by the nurses
completely unknowingly,
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which could do them
harm or even kill them.
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Who on Earth would
want to do that?
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(David) What's interesting
is that there is a sudden
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and, for me, quite a
clumsy change in MO.
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You know, Chua stops using insulin
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and starts to change
prescription charts.
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Now, that's actually quite clumsy.
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It's clumsy because it's
quite easy to ultimately
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work out who it was that
changed the prescription chart.
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We could speculate that he's doing
that because he feels omnipotent.
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He feels as if he's never
going to be uncovered.
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Or we can interpret that as
simply he becomes more desperate,
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he becomes more desperate,
and therefore is
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trying anything to cover
the tracks that would have
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led investigators to his door.
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Six elderly patients,
including Maria Pawlyszyn,
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are lucky to survive.
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Given the severity, the matter is
immediately referred to the police.
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So the police are
called in again.
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And this time, they
draw up a Venn diagram
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of all the nurses on
shift the night before,
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all of this pointing to only one
common denominator,
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Victorino Chua.
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(David) After emigrating
from the Philippines,
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Victorino Chua joined
Stepping Hill Hospital in 2009.
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(Stephen) Chua was born in the
Philippines' capital, Manila,
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in 1965.
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He was one of six
children born to a couple.
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He had what we in the
UK would regard probably
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as quite a poor background.
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His father had died when
he was only 19 or 20.
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And that had affected him badly.
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But I think one of
his relatives had
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encouraged him to become a nurse.
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And he went to a respected
local nursing college,
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to Metropolitan Hospital
Nursing College.
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And then he went to
another nursing college
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called the Galang Nursing College,
which was a very notorious
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nursing college because
of the poor academic records
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there and the finances.
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And he did qualify as
a nurse at the Galang.
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And he was earning equivalent of
about 3 pounds a day as a nurse.
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And he was married and had two
children who he was supporting.
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(David) In 2002, Victorino
answers a newspaper
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advert to work in a UK care home.
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That's not remotely unusual.
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There are a huge number of
nurses from the Philippines
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working in the NHS.
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And I have to say, having
worked with many of them myself,
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my experience is that the NHS
would fall apart without them.
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(Donna) Victorino works
in a number of care homes
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and seems to get on initially
fairly well,
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to adjust fairly well, and be
well liked in these care homes.
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(David) Victorino, however, is
prone to falling out with people.
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(Donna) I think he has that kind of
superficial, gentle personality.
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But underneath it all,
there is a burning anger
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which does come to the surface.
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And we hear about him
leaving care homes
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in dispute when there
have been arguments,
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disputes with other workers.
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You've got to have
professionalism.
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And any explosions of ill temper
would be really bad for patients.
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But they're also
going to be extremely bad
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for the morale of the team.
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(David) Victorino Chua secures
a job at Stepping Hill Hospital,
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despite management being made
aware of his volatile temper.
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(Donna) He seems to be getting
on well in his role as a nurse,
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but even now, actually, Victorino
is experiencing anger issues.
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(Nazir) He did not like
those who managed him.
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He did not like the
hospital authorities.
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He felt that he should be allowed
to just get on with his job.
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Maybe in part,
he was upset about the fact
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that he wasn't
being promoted, that he'd
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been turned down for promotion.
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And so he did not care who was
held responsible for the things
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that he was doing,
because ultimately,
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senior managers
would take the flak.
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(Donna) And we know
that he's actually
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seeing a therapist for this anger.
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And there are just some bits
of information that come out
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from that therapeutic interaction.
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(David) Victorino's therapist
offers a simple outlet
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for his frustration.
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His therapist,
fairly common practice,
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recommended that in
order to find an outlet
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for his frustration and his anger,
he writes down his feelings.
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It's full of details
about Victorino's feelings,
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about his early life.
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It's full of feelings of
anger towards his colleagues.
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(dramatic music)
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(David) Chua comes
across, to me, as one
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of those people who are
real grievance collectors.
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He's fuelled by resentment.
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He sees himself as undervalued.
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He sees himself as having
been overlooked for promotion.
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He sees himself as much
more competent than the role
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that he plays within the hospital.
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And grievance collectors,
often, are very self-righteous.
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And that self-righteousness
seems, to me,
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to be what fuels a lot of his
behaviour within the hospital.
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He's trying to extract
revenge on those people
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who didn't recognise his worth.
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And of course, that kind
of righteous slaughter
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becomes the outgrowth
of that resentment.
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(Sarah) Now, interestingly,
the people who worked with him
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say that he was good to work with,
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that they enjoyed
working with him,
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that he was friendly.
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But there are reports that he
was prone to violent outbursts
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of temper, and particularly when
his ability or his self-esteem
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were challenged.
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(David) I know from my own research
that grievance collectors are
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often prone to violent outbursts.
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But, you know, violent
outbursts, in themselves,
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are not evidence of a crime
having been committed.
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And therefore, the
challenge for authorities
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is that they might be
able to hone in on Chua,
495
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,640
but can they find definitive
evidence that would
496
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,960
prove that he was the killer?
497
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,960
(David) Based
on the evidence, police
498
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,000
discover that Victorino Chua
is the common denominator
499
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,960
in all the collapses.
500
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,960
He's arrested at his
home on January the 5th, 2012.
501
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,960
(Sarah) While they're there,
the police search his home
502
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,960
and they find the bitter
nurse confession, which,
503
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,480
frankly, was a real smoking gun.
504
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,960
"There's a devil inside me.
505
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,960
"Some of these things,
I will take to my grave."
506
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,960
Clearly, he's talking about
what he's guilty of there.
507
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,960
But he also talks a lot
about his colleagues.
508
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,320
Now, some of them, he says,
are OK.
509
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,160
But some of them, he describes
as "nasty bitches."
510
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,640
The bitter nurse confession.
511
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,960
He sees himself as an angel
who turned into an evil person,
512
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:01,960
but essentially, an angel.
513
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,960
This is a person who does not
really blame himself.
514
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,960
He's so used to attributing
blame to other people.
515
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,960
How many nurses write
a document where they
516
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,960
compare themselves to the devil?
517
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,960
Seems to be some
kind of confession
518
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,960
for all the incidents
and murders that
519
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,960
have taken place in the hospital.
520
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,960
(David) I find the bitter nurse
confession that Chua writes
521
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,960
a kind of fascinating
piece of evidence.
522
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,960
It quite consciously tries
to construct a narrative
523
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,960
about the evil inside the angel.
524
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,960
But it also constructs a narrative
which really shows, I think,
525
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,960
more than anything, the narcissism
that we're dealing with
526
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,960
in relation to Chua.
527
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,960
You know, the bitter nurse
confession is about me, me, me.
528
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,160
And it's serving a purpose for him.
529
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,480
And that purpose is
that we will always
530
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,320
remember that
confession, as opposed
531
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,960
to remembering the
people that he killed.
532
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,960
The confession is
damning, but detectives
533
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:32,640
know they need ironclad forensic
proof to secure a conviction.
534
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,960
The investigation
moves to the interview room,
535
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,960
where Victorino Chua is
brought in for questioning.
536
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,960
(dramatic music)
537
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,480
(Sarah) The police
describe Victorino Chua
538
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,960
as a narcissistic psychopath.
539
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,960
Now, interestingly, psychopath
is not actually a medical term.
540
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,960
But it's often used
to describe somebody
541
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,960
who doesn't live within
the norms of society
542
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,320
and who doesn't have
any empathy or remorse.
543
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,960
It's closely linked
with sociopathy.
544
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,160
That's otherwise known as
antisocial personality disorder.
545
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,960
And people who have antisocial
personality disorder
546
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,960
don't have any empathy
for other people.
547
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,960
They don't get inside.
548
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,160
They don't have any feelings.
549
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,800
They don't care for anybody.
550
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,960
They only care for themselves.
551
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,960
They don't have a sense
of right and wrong.
552
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,960
(David) Chua refuses to
cooperate with the police.
553
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,640
(Nazir) A very senior
police officer
554
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,960
was trying to persuade
me to charge Chua
555
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,960
on the basis of what little
evidence they had at that time.
556
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,960
And I was pushing back, saying
there isn't enough evidence.
557
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,960
And eventually, after
several hours of discussions,
558
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,960
I was able to persuade him
that we're on the same side.
559
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:18,960
We want to convict the man who has
caused these deaths and this harm.
560
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,960
But to charge him now
prematurely would ultimately lead
561
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,960
to him being found not guilty.
562
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,960
And you would not get the justice.
563
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,160
And the victims would
not get this justice.
564
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,960
Because of the huge numbers
of opportunities
565
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,960
that he would have had
to poison people
566
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,960
and to put their well-being
at risk,
567
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,960
there was a vast
police investigation.
568
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,960
It was incredibly complex.
569
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:53,960
There were almost 3,300 witness
statements taken and almost
570
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,960
5,300 items entered into evidence.
571
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,960
The sheer complexity of
this was mind-boggling.
572
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,960
(David) While the police
operation continues,
573
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,960
journalist Stephen Wright is also
investigating Victorino Chua.
574
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,000
(Stephen) Got a
call from my office
575
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,160
saying that there had
been what was perceived
576
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:23,000
to be a significant arrest in
the Stepping Hill poisoning case.
577
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,960
I was asked, or told, shall
I say, to get the first plane
578
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,960
to the Philippines the next day.
579
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,640
My boss wanted me to try and find
out what I could about this man.
580
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,800
(dramatic music)
581
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,960
I established very soon
in my inquiries,
582
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,960
there were very serious doubts
about his qualifications
583
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,960
and eligibility to be a nurse.
584
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,960
I was able to make contact
with the nursing administrator
585
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,640
at Galang, who still
had Chua's records
586
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,960
from nursing college that looked
like his marks had been amended.
587
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,960
It was highly, highly suspicious.
588
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,000
And police were later
to form the opinion
589
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,960
that someone might even
have sat his nursing
590
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,960
exams for him in the Philippines.
591
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:24,960
So as a result of those 10 days
of initial inquiries in Manila,
592
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,320
I had really grave concerns about
his qualifications, concerns
593
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,960
about forged references,
594
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,480
concerns about thieving,
595
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,640
which he was accused of
at the hospital from patients.
596
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,960
I got back to the UK
and was put in touch
597
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,960
with the senior officer
in Greater Manchester Police
598
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,960
on the investigation.
599
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,640
I took the decision that it
was in the public interest
600
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,960
for me to hand over my dossier.
601
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,000
(David) At the same time,
the CCTV at the hospital
602
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,960
is also meticulously
trawled by the police.
603
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,960
Chua is seen handling saline bags
shortly before victims fall ill.
604
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,960
The way in which he killed
people was to contaminate bags
605
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,960
either of saline or ampoules
and to inject, usually,
606
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,160
insulin, into those.
607
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,480
(Simon) We identified 42
patients who we believed
608
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,960
had suffered from those
low blood sugar levels.
609
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,960
And we started an investigation
around each of those 42 patients.
610
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,960
Now, over the course of the
time, that was distilled down
611
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,960
to 21 victims, who we felt
we could prove to a court
612
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,480
were indeed poisoned.
613
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,960
(David) Chua engages in what I
would call a kind of medical game
614
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,960
of Russian roulette.
615
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,800
You know, by tampering with
the saline bags, he
616
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,960
allows his colleagues to
use those contaminated
617
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,960
saline bags on their patients.
618
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,960
And that, of course,
directs the finger of blame
619
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,640
away from Chua and
onto his colleagues.
620
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,960
Nonetheless, he's still in control.
621
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,960
He's still powerful.
622
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,960
He's still manipulating.
623
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,960
But it also reveals what he
feels about his colleagues,
624
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,960
which is much the same as he
believed about his patients.
625
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:25,960
He's indifferent to them.
626
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,960
He doesn't see them as equals.
627
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,960
He merely sees them
as props within a game
628
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,320
that he's playing, a game which
is seeking to exact revenge
629
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,960
on those authorities that did
not give him the promotions
630
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,960
that he felt he was due.
631
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,960
By 2015, the police and the
Crown Prosecution Service
632
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,960
are confident in their
case against Chua.
633
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,960
(Nazir) An inquiry like this,
it's like a jigsaw puzzle.
634
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,960
And you have to put all
the pieces together.
635
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,960
And once you do that, the
picture becomes clear.
636
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,960
In this case, his
presence on the ward,
637
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,480
his animosity towards
the hospital,
638
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,960
his feelings about himself,
639
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,960
the fact that he had access to the
saline drips, the fact that he was
640
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,960
working on those wards, the fact
that he tampered with the records,
641
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,960
the fact that he denied
responsibility, that he tried
642
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,640
to blame other people,
you put all that together,
643
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,960
and you've got a picture of
somebody clearly at work here.
644
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,960
(dramatic music)
645
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:31,960
So we had opportunity.
646
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,960
We had methods.
647
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,960
What we didn't have
was him actually
648
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,960
doing something that brought
attention to him as somebody
649
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,960
that was ready to harm somebody.
650
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,960
And these records, the
tampering of these records
651
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,960
were, in effect, the smoking gun.
652
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,960
You could put on
somebody's medical record
653
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,960
that they required three
times the level of insulin
654
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,960
that normal people would require.
655
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,960
So he began to tamper
with records, which
656
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:02,960
meant that he himself didn't
have to administer the fatal dose
657
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,960
or the nearly fatal dose.
658
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,960
Somebody else would do the same.
659
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,960
(David) The court is also
presented with Chua's
660
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,960
bitter nurse confession.
661
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,480
(Nazir) He argued, in his defence,
that it was just the ramblings
662
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,960
of a sad man who was alone.
663
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,960
We were arguing that you can't
just take the letter on its own.
664
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,000
You have to take the
letter with everything else
665
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,960
that we know about
the man, that this
666
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,000
was, in part, the
motivation for this guy
667
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,960
and why he might have done that.
668
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,960
Because in presenting
and prosecuting a case,
669
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,960
you've got to tell
the jury a story.
670
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,960
And the one thing that was
missing in this story was the why.
671
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,960
And the letter helped us
in identifying what the why
672
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,960
was, why he might have done this.
673
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,960
(David) On the 18th of May, 2015,
674
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,960
following three weeks of careful
deliberation,
675
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,960
the jury
finally reaches a verdict.
676
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,640
Of course, in the back of
your mind, you're thinking,
677
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,960
well, you know, you've invested an
enormous amount of time in this.
678
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,960
You also want to ensure that,
most importantly, justice is done.
679
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,800
There are victims
and victims' families
680
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,960
who are looking to you for
closure or some form of closure.
681
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,640
And it's out of your hands.
682
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,640
It's in the hands of
12 members of the jury
683
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,960
who I think were out for 11 days.
684
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,960
And as the days go
by, whilst they're
685
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:33,960
out considering their verdict,
you are less sure of yourself.
686
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,960
And it was an immense
relief when they came
687
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,800
back with the guilty verdicts.
688
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,960
(David) Chua is found guilty
of the murder of Derek Weaver
689
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,960
and Tracey Arden, the poisoning
of 19 other patients,
690
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,320
and the attempted
poisoning of 7 more.
691
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,960
(Stephen) The families
of those poor victims
692
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,800
have had to deal with the fact
that their loved ones
693
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,960
had their lives taken
by junior nurse
694
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,960
with dubious qualifications
who played God,
695
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,960
effectively, around when
he decided they should die.
696
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,960
The judge was damning
of Chua, jailing him
697
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,000
for a minimum of 35 years,
698
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,480
calling him, you know,
a truly wicked person.
699
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,960
(David) No motive is ever
established for his crimes
700
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,960
beyond his history of
anger and resentment.
701
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:42,320
My opinion is that
702
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,960
he's a narcissistic psychopath
703
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,640
and an attention seeker
704
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,960
who had complex
mental health issues
705
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,960
but that at his root was an evil,
wicked person
706
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,960
who enjoyed
and took sadistic pleasure
707
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:05,800
out of seeing people
suffer agonising
708
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,960
deaths or near-death experiences.
709
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,320
(David) In my experience,
serial killers don't just
710
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,480
stop of their own accord.
711
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,960
They have to be stopped.
712
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,960
They might be stopped by being
arrested and incarcerated
713
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,960
for some other crimes.
714
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,480
Or they might be stopped because
eventually, enough evidence
715
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,960
is found so as to convict them.
716
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:39,960
And I've got no doubt that if
Victor Chua hadn't been stopped,
717
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,960
he would have killed again
and again and again.
718
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,960
(Nazir) Chua was manipulative,
very, very cold.
719
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,960
He didn't care who was harmed.
720
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:53,960
He didn't care
how they were harmed
721
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,960
or how seriously
they were harmed.
722
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,960
He didn't care who did
the harming,
723
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,160
because at the end of the day,
724
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,960
somebody else would be
attaching the saline drip
725
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,160
or giving the medication.
726
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,960
So he was prepared to put
other people in harm's way.
727
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,960
Other people potentially
could have been prosecuted
728
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,960
for their acts,
despite being innocent.
729
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,960
(Stephen) How on Earth was
this allowed to happen?
730
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,960
What mistakes were made?
What blunders were made?
731
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,960
Why was he able to
contaminate these saline bags?
732
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,000
Why was he able to carry out
these murderous attacks?
733
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,000
A lot of unanswered questions.
734
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,000
So many issues
haven't been resolved.
735
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,640
Questions remain unanswered.
736
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,960
People got away with it.
737
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,960
People allowed him to
get a job in the NHS
738
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,800
when he shouldn't have done.
739
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,160
There hasn't been true
accountability, one could argue.
740
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,320
(dramatic music)
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(David) Although new safeguards
are now in place, the tightened
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regulations offer little comfort
to the victims' families, whose
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lives remain forever changed
by Chua's murderous spree
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at Stepping Hill.
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