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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:10,077 http://subscene.com/u/659433 Improved by: @Ivandrofly 2 00:00:10,079 --> 00:00:11,959 Inside Job (2010) Retail OCR with Foreign Parts. 3 00:01:08,734 --> 00:01:10,634 NARRATOR: Iceland is a stable democracy 4 00:01:10,803 --> 00:01:12,430 with a high standard of living, 5 00:01:12,604 --> 00:01:14,071 and, until recently, 6 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:17,436 extremely low unemployment and government debt. 7 00:01:19,545 --> 00:01:23,208 We had the complete infrastructure of a modern society. 8 00:01:23,582 --> 00:01:26,073 Clean energy, food production. 9 00:01:26,251 --> 00:01:28,685 Fisheries with a quota system to manage them. 10 00:01:28,854 --> 00:01:33,188 Good healthcare, education, clean air. 11 00:01:33,492 --> 00:01:35,016 Not much crime. 12 00:01:35,194 --> 00:01:37,492 It's a good place for families to live. 13 00:01:37,663 --> 00:01:41,360 We had almost end-of-history status. 14 00:01:42,234 --> 00:01:47,035 But in 2000, Iceland's government began a broad policy of deregulation 15 00:01:47,206 --> 00:01:49,868 that would have disastrous consequences, 16 00:01:50,042 --> 00:01:54,001 first for the environment and then for the economy. 17 00:01:54,179 --> 00:01:57,979 They started by allowing multinational corporations like Alcoa 18 00:01:58,150 --> 00:02:00,516 to build giant aluminum-smelting plants 19 00:02:00,686 --> 00:02:05,555 and exploit Iceland's geothermal and hydroelectric energy sources. 20 00:02:06,024 --> 00:02:08,925 Many of the most beautiful areas in the highlands 21 00:02:09,094 --> 00:02:13,622 with the most spectacular colors are geothermal. 22 00:02:14,399 --> 00:02:16,424 So nothing comes without consequence. 23 00:02:55,106 --> 00:02:56,334 NARRATOR: At the same time, 24 00:02:56,507 --> 00:03:00,170 the government privatized Iceland's three largest banks. 25 00:03:00,344 --> 00:03:02,835 The result was one of the purest experiments 26 00:03:03,014 --> 00:03:05,983 in financial deregulation ever conducted. 27 00:03:06,150 --> 00:03:08,141 (SPEAKING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 28 00:03:08,853 --> 00:03:10,844 (CROWDS SHOUTING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 29 00:03:11,322 --> 00:03:14,655 We have had enough. How could all of this happen? 30 00:03:15,860 --> 00:03:20,593 Finance took over and more or less wrecked the place. 31 00:03:21,532 --> 00:03:24,330 In a five-year period, these three tiny banks, 32 00:03:24,502 --> 00:03:26,970 which had never operated outside of Iceland, 33 00:03:27,138 --> 00:03:30,039 borrowed 120 billion dollars, 34 00:03:30,207 --> 00:03:33,301 10 times the size of Iceland's economy. 35 00:03:33,477 --> 00:03:35,707 The bankers showered money on themselves, 36 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,780 each other, and their friends. 37 00:03:37,949 --> 00:03:39,610 ZOEGA: There was a massive bubble. 38 00:03:39,784 --> 00:03:43,151 Stock prices went up by a factor of nine. 39 00:03:43,321 --> 00:03:45,516 House prices more than doubled. 40 00:03:52,029 --> 00:03:56,796 He borrowed billions to buy up high-end retail businesses in London. 41 00:03:56,968 --> 00:03:59,197 He also bought a pinstriped private jet, 42 00:03:59,369 --> 00:04:01,132 a 40-million-dollar yacht 43 00:04:01,304 --> 00:04:03,397 and a Manhattan penthouse. 44 00:04:03,573 --> 00:04:05,404 MAGNASON: Newspapers always had the headline: 45 00:04:05,575 --> 00:04:08,601 This millionaire bought this company 46 00:04:08,778 --> 00:04:13,943 in the U.K. Or in Finland or in France or wherever, 47 00:04:14,117 --> 00:04:15,414 instead of saying: 48 00:04:15,585 --> 00:04:19,351 "This millionaire took a billion-dollar loan 49 00:04:19,522 --> 00:04:23,856 to buy this company, and he took it from your local bank." 50 00:04:24,027 --> 00:04:25,995 ZOEGA: The banks set up money market funds, 51 00:04:26,162 --> 00:04:29,359 and the banks advised deposit-holders to withdraw money 52 00:04:29,532 --> 00:04:31,762 and put them in the money market funds. 53 00:04:31,935 --> 00:04:34,369 The Ponzi scheme needed everything it could. 54 00:04:34,537 --> 00:04:37,631 NARRATOR: American accounting firms like KPMG 55 00:04:37,807 --> 00:04:40,275 audited the Icelandic banks and investment firms 56 00:04:40,443 --> 00:04:42,240 and found nothing wrong. 57 00:04:42,412 --> 00:04:46,041 And American credit-rating agencies said Iceland was wonderful. 58 00:04:46,216 --> 00:04:48,650 In February 2007, 59 00:04:48,818 --> 00:04:54,848 the rating agency upgraded the banks to the highest possible rate, triple-A. 60 00:04:55,025 --> 00:04:59,928 It went so far as the government here traveling with the bankers 61 00:05:00,096 --> 00:05:02,963 as a PR show. 62 00:05:05,168 --> 00:05:08,763 When Iceland's banks collapsed at the end of 2008, 63 00:05:08,938 --> 00:05:12,237 unemployment tripled in six months. 64 00:05:15,311 --> 00:05:18,747 ZOEGA: There is nobody unaffected in Iceland. 65 00:05:24,421 --> 00:05:26,321 INTERVIEWER: A lot of people lost their savings. 66 00:05:26,489 --> 00:05:28,582 Yes, that's the case. 67 00:05:28,758 --> 00:05:32,591 NARRATOR: Government regulators who should've been protecting the citizens 68 00:05:32,761 --> 00:05:34,592 had done nothing. 69 00:05:35,597 --> 00:05:39,124 You have two lawyers from the regulator going down to a bank 70 00:05:39,301 --> 00:05:41,201 to talk about some issue. 71 00:05:41,370 --> 00:05:42,997 When they approach the bank, 72 00:05:43,172 --> 00:05:48,474 they would see 19 SUVs outside the bank. 73 00:05:48,644 --> 00:05:49,804 You enter the bank, 74 00:05:49,978 --> 00:05:54,176 and you have the 19 lawyers sitting in front of you, right, 75 00:05:54,349 --> 00:05:59,719 very well prepared, ready to kill any argument you make. 76 00:05:59,888 --> 00:06:02,982 And then, if you do really well, they'll offer you a job. 77 00:06:03,459 --> 00:06:06,451 One-third of Iceland's financial regulators 78 00:06:06,628 --> 00:06:09,028 went to work for the banks. 79 00:06:10,265 --> 00:06:12,256 But this is a universal problem, huh? 80 00:06:12,434 --> 00:06:15,164 In New York, you have the same problem, right? 81 00:06:15,804 --> 00:06:17,795 (PETER GABRIEL'S "BIG TIME" PLAYS) 82 00:06:46,401 --> 00:06:49,199 INTERVIEWER: What do you think of Wall Street incomes these days? 83 00:06:49,371 --> 00:06:50,861 Excessive. 84 00:06:53,175 --> 00:06:56,235 INTERVIEWER: I've been told it's extremely difficult for the IMF 85 00:06:56,411 --> 00:06:58,436 to criticize the United States. 86 00:06:58,614 --> 00:06:59,740 I wouldn't say that. 87 00:07:06,554 --> 00:07:10,354 We deeply regret our breaches of U.S. Law. 88 00:07:14,061 --> 00:07:17,997 MAN: They're amazed at how much cocaine these Wall Streeters can use 89 00:07:18,166 --> 00:07:20,327 and get up and go to work the next day. 90 00:07:23,237 --> 00:07:27,264 I didn't know what credit default swaps are. 91 00:07:27,441 --> 00:07:29,068 I'm a little bit old-fashioned. 92 00:07:34,448 --> 00:07:36,916 INTERVIEWER: Has Larry Summers ever expressed remorse? 93 00:07:37,084 --> 00:07:38,881 I don't hear confessions. 94 00:07:53,568 --> 00:07:55,468 MAN: The government's just writing checks. 95 00:07:55,636 --> 00:07:58,901 That's plan A, that's plan B and that's plan C. 96 00:07:59,073 --> 00:08:02,941 INTERVIEWER: Would you support legal controls on executive pay? 97 00:08:03,611 --> 00:08:04,805 I would not. 98 00:08:08,449 --> 00:08:10,337 INTERVIEWER: Are you comfortable with the 99 00:08:10,350 --> 00:08:12,249 level of compensation in financial services? 100 00:08:12,420 --> 00:08:13,887 If they've earned it, yes, I am. 101 00:08:14,055 --> 00:08:16,114 Do you think they've earned it? I think so. 102 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,290 INTERVIEWER: And so you've helped these people blow the world up? 103 00:08:22,463 --> 00:08:23,487 You could say that. 104 00:08:33,074 --> 00:08:37,738 They were having massive private gains at public loss. 105 00:08:45,385 --> 00:08:48,479 MAN: When you think you can create something out of nothing 106 00:08:48,655 --> 00:08:50,122 it's difficult to resist. 107 00:09:05,038 --> 00:09:08,166 WOMAN: I'm concerned people want to go back to the old way, 108 00:09:08,341 --> 00:09:11,003 the way they were operating prior to the crisis. 109 00:09:21,821 --> 00:09:25,188 I was getting a lot of anonymous e-mails from bankers saying: 110 00:09:25,358 --> 00:09:28,122 "You can't quote me, but I'm really concerned." 111 00:09:34,167 --> 00:09:35,862 INTERVIEWER: Why do you think there isn't 112 00:09:36,036 --> 00:09:38,732 a more systematic investigation being undertaken? 113 00:09:38,905 --> 00:09:40,873 Because then you'll find the culprits. 114 00:09:44,210 --> 00:09:46,479 INTERVIEWER: You think Columbia Business. 115 00:09:46,492 --> 00:09:48,772 School has any conflict-of-interest problem? 116 00:09:49,149 --> 00:09:51,777 I don't see that we do. 117 00:10:00,126 --> 00:10:02,788 The regulators didn't do their job. 118 00:10:02,963 --> 00:10:06,899 They had the power to do every case that I made. They just didn't want to. 119 00:10:25,117 --> 00:10:27,278 MAN: Lehman Brothers, one of the most venerable 120 00:10:27,453 --> 00:10:30,820 and biggest investment banks, was forced to declare itself bankrupt. 121 00:10:30,990 --> 00:10:34,084 Another, Merrill Lynch, was forced to sell itself today. 122 00:10:34,259 --> 00:10:38,423 World financial markets are way down, following dramatic developments. 123 00:10:38,597 --> 00:10:40,588 (SPEAKING IN CHINESE) 124 00:10:42,801 --> 00:10:44,792 (MAN SPEAKING IN FRENCH) 125 00:10:47,172 --> 00:10:48,764 NARRATOR: In September 2008, 126 00:10:48,941 --> 00:10:51,933 the bankruptcy of the U.S. Investment bank Lehman Brothers 127 00:10:52,111 --> 00:10:56,343 and the collapse of the world's largest insurance company, AIG, 128 00:10:56,515 --> 00:10:58,039 triggered a global crisis. 129 00:10:58,217 --> 00:11:00,412 MAN 1: Fears gripped markets overnight. 130 00:11:00,586 --> 00:11:02,076 MAN 2: Stocks fell off a cliff. 131 00:11:02,254 --> 00:11:05,087 The largest single point drop in history. 132 00:11:05,257 --> 00:11:07,225 MAN 3: Share prices continued to tumble 133 00:11:07,393 --> 00:11:10,590 in the aftermath of the Lehman collapse. 134 00:11:10,763 --> 00:11:12,628 (CROWD SHOUTING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 135 00:11:12,798 --> 00:11:14,663 The result was a global recession, 136 00:11:14,833 --> 00:11:17,700 which cost the world tens of trillions of dollars, 137 00:11:17,870 --> 00:11:20,100 rendered 30 million people unemployed 138 00:11:20,272 --> 00:11:23,537 and doubled the national debt of the United States. 139 00:11:23,709 --> 00:11:28,874 With the destruction of equity and housing wealth, 140 00:11:29,048 --> 00:11:31,539 the destruction of income, of jobs, 141 00:11:31,717 --> 00:11:37,155 50 million people globally could end up below the poverty line again. 142 00:11:38,023 --> 00:11:41,857 This is just a hugely, hugely expensive crisis. 143 00:11:42,728 --> 00:11:45,288 This crisis was not an accident. 144 00:11:45,464 --> 00:11:48,661 It was caused by an out-of-control industry. 145 00:11:48,834 --> 00:11:50,027 Since the 1980s, 146 00:11:50,201 --> 00:11:53,295 the rise of the U.S. Financial sector has led to a series 147 00:11:53,471 --> 00:11:56,565 of increasingly severe financial crises. 148 00:11:56,808 --> 00:11:59,800 Each crisis has caused more damage, 149 00:11:59,977 --> 00:12:03,811 while the industry has made more and more money. 150 00:12:11,956 --> 00:12:13,480 NARRATOR: After the Great Depression 151 00:12:13,658 --> 00:12:16,525 the United States had 40 years of economic growth 152 00:12:16,694 --> 00:12:18,992 without a single financial crisis. 153 00:12:19,163 --> 00:12:22,030 The financial industry was tightly regulated. 154 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,566 Most regular banks were local businesses 155 00:12:24,735 --> 00:12:26,862 prohibited from speculating 156 00:12:27,038 --> 00:12:28,938 with depositors' savings. 157 00:12:29,407 --> 00:12:32,376 Investment banks, which handled stock and bond trading, 158 00:12:32,543 --> 00:12:35,239 were small, private partnerships. 159 00:12:35,546 --> 00:12:39,107 In the traditional investment banking model, 160 00:12:39,283 --> 00:12:41,513 the partners put the money up, 161 00:12:41,686 --> 00:12:45,122 and they watch that money very carefully. 162 00:12:45,289 --> 00:12:46,756 They wanted to live well, 163 00:12:46,924 --> 00:12:49,722 but they didn't want to bet the ranch on anything. 164 00:12:49,994 --> 00:12:52,519 Paul Volcker served in the Treasury Department 165 00:12:52,697 --> 00:12:57,600 and was chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1979 to 1987. 166 00:12:57,768 --> 00:12:59,395 Before going into government, 167 00:12:59,570 --> 00:13:02,767 he was a financial economist at Chase Manhattan Bank. 168 00:13:03,074 --> 00:13:08,569 When I left Chase to go in the Treasury in 1969, 169 00:13:08,746 --> 00:13:11,613 my income was in the neighborhood of $45,000 a year. 170 00:13:11,782 --> 00:13:13,716 INTERVIEWER: Forty-five thousand dollars a year. 171 00:13:13,885 --> 00:13:17,048 Morgan Stanley, in 1972, 172 00:13:17,221 --> 00:13:21,851 had approximately 110 total personnel, 173 00:13:22,026 --> 00:13:26,428 one office, and capital of 12 million dollars. 174 00:13:26,596 --> 00:13:31,056 Now Morgan Stanley has 50,000 workers 175 00:13:31,234 --> 00:13:35,227 and has capital of several billion 176 00:13:35,405 --> 00:13:37,965 and has offices all over the world. 177 00:13:38,141 --> 00:13:41,577 In the 1980s, the financial industry exploded. 178 00:13:41,745 --> 00:13:43,576 The investment banks went public, 179 00:13:43,747 --> 00:13:47,046 giving them huge amounts of stockholder money. 180 00:13:47,217 --> 00:13:50,550 People on Wall Street started getting rich. 181 00:13:51,521 --> 00:13:54,490 I had a friend who was a bond trader 182 00:13:54,658 --> 00:13:58,651 at Merrill Lynch in the 1970s. 183 00:13:58,828 --> 00:14:02,594 He had a job as a train conductor at night 184 00:14:02,766 --> 00:14:06,202 because he had three kids and couldn't support them 185 00:14:06,369 --> 00:14:07,768 on what a trader made. 186 00:14:07,938 --> 00:14:11,601 By 1986, he was making millions of dollars 187 00:14:11,775 --> 00:14:14,471 and thought it was because he was smart. 188 00:14:15,212 --> 00:14:17,806 The highest order of business before the nation 189 00:14:17,981 --> 00:14:20,347 is to restore our economic prosperity. 190 00:14:20,517 --> 00:14:25,011 NARRATOR: In 1981, President Ronald Reagan chose as Treasury secretary 191 00:14:25,188 --> 00:14:28,680 the CEO of the investment bank Merrill Lynch, Donald Regan. 192 00:14:28,858 --> 00:14:32,123 Wall Street and the president see eye to eye. 193 00:14:32,829 --> 00:14:34,797 I've talked to leaders of Wall Street. 194 00:14:34,965 --> 00:14:37,695 They say, "We're behind the president 100 percent." 195 00:14:37,867 --> 00:14:39,334 The Reagan administration, 196 00:14:39,502 --> 00:14:42,266 supported by economists and financial lobbyists, 197 00:14:42,439 --> 00:14:46,375 started a 30-year period of financial deregulation. 198 00:14:47,711 --> 00:14:50,271 In 1982, the Reagan administration 199 00:14:50,447 --> 00:14:52,938 deregulated savings-and-loan companies, 200 00:14:53,116 --> 00:14:56,677 allowing them to make risky investments with depositors' money. 201 00:14:56,853 --> 00:14:58,285 By the end of the decade, 202 00:14:58,454 --> 00:15:01,548 hundreds of savings-and-loan companies had failed. 203 00:15:01,724 --> 00:15:05,660 This crisis cost taxpayers $ 124 billion 204 00:15:05,995 --> 00:15:08,793 and cost many people their life savings. 205 00:15:08,964 --> 00:15:12,195 It may be the biggest bank heist in our history. 206 00:15:12,368 --> 00:15:16,566 Thousands of executives went to jail for looting their companies. 207 00:15:16,739 --> 00:15:19,333 One of the most extreme cases was Charles Keating. 208 00:15:19,508 --> 00:15:20,839 MAN: Mr. Keating, got a word? 209 00:15:21,010 --> 00:15:25,276 In 1985, when federal regulators began investigating him, 210 00:15:25,447 --> 00:15:29,076 Keating hired an economist named Alan Greenspan. 211 00:15:29,251 --> 00:15:30,912 In this letter to regulators, 212 00:15:31,086 --> 00:15:34,647 Greenspan praised Keating's sound business plans and expertise 213 00:15:34,823 --> 00:15:39,624 and said he saw no risk in allowing Keating to invest customers' money. 214 00:15:40,796 --> 00:15:44,960 Keating reportedly paid Greenspan $40,000. 215 00:15:46,535 --> 00:15:49,003 Keating went to prison shortly afterwards. 216 00:15:49,571 --> 00:15:50,833 As for Alan Greenspan, 217 00:15:51,674 --> 00:15:55,110 Reagan appointed him chairman of America's central bank, 218 00:15:55,277 --> 00:15:56,835 the Federal Reserve. 219 00:15:57,012 --> 00:15:58,536 Greenspan was reappointed 220 00:15:58,714 --> 00:16:02,411 by presidents Clinton and George W. Bush. 221 00:16:03,252 --> 00:16:05,152 During the Clinton administration, 222 00:16:05,321 --> 00:16:07,585 deregulation continued under Greenspan 223 00:16:07,756 --> 00:16:10,316 and Treasury secretaries Robert Rubin, 224 00:16:10,492 --> 00:16:13,859 the former CEO of the investment bank Goldman Sachs, 225 00:16:14,029 --> 00:16:17,521 and Larry Summers, a Harvard economics Professor. 226 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:20,760 The financial sector, Wall Street being powerful, 227 00:16:20,936 --> 00:16:22,904 having lobbies, lots of money, 228 00:16:23,072 --> 00:16:26,564 step by step, captured the political system. 229 00:16:26,742 --> 00:16:29,678 Both on the Democratic and the Republican side. 230 00:16:30,546 --> 00:16:34,106 NARRATOR: By the late 1990s, the financial sector had consolidated 231 00:16:34,282 --> 00:16:37,774 into a few gigantic firms, each of them so large 232 00:16:37,952 --> 00:16:40,978 that their failure could threaten the whole system. 233 00:16:41,155 --> 00:16:44,750 And the Clinton administration helped them grow even larger. 234 00:16:45,326 --> 00:16:48,693 In 1998, Citicorp and Travelers merged 235 00:16:48,863 --> 00:16:50,228 to form Citigroup, 236 00:16:50,398 --> 00:16:53,265 the largest financial services company in the world. 237 00:16:53,568 --> 00:16:56,002 The merger violated the Glass-Steagall Act, 238 00:16:56,170 --> 00:16:58,502 a law passed after the Great Depression, 239 00:16:58,673 --> 00:17:01,005 preventing banks with consumer deposits 240 00:17:01,175 --> 00:17:04,406 from engaging in risky investment-banking activities. 241 00:17:04,579 --> 00:17:07,412 It was illegal to acquire Travelers. 242 00:17:07,582 --> 00:17:09,345 Greenspan said nothing. 243 00:17:09,517 --> 00:17:12,452 The Federal Reserve gave them an exemption for a year, 244 00:17:12,620 --> 00:17:14,417 then they got the law passed. 245 00:17:14,722 --> 00:17:18,419 In 1999, at the urging of Summers and Rubin, 246 00:17:18,593 --> 00:17:21,221 Congress passed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, 247 00:17:21,396 --> 00:17:24,422 known to some as the Citigroup Relief Act. 248 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:26,726 It overturned Glass-Steagall 249 00:17:26,901 --> 00:17:29,893 and cleared the way for future mergers. 250 00:17:38,446 --> 00:17:39,674 Why do you have big banks? 251 00:17:39,847 --> 00:17:43,874 Because banks like monopoly power, lobbying power. 252 00:17:44,051 --> 00:17:48,545 Because banks know that when they're too big, 253 00:17:48,723 --> 00:17:49,985 they will be bailed. 254 00:17:50,158 --> 00:17:52,626 Markets are inherently unstable. 255 00:17:52,794 --> 00:17:55,228 Or at least potentially unstable. 256 00:17:55,396 --> 00:17:59,230 An appropriate metaphor is the oil tankers. 257 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,697 They are very big, 258 00:18:01,035 --> 00:18:03,731 and therefore, you have to put in compartments 259 00:18:04,205 --> 00:18:07,401 to prevent the sloshing around of oil 260 00:18:07,574 --> 00:18:09,405 from capsizing the boat. 261 00:18:09,576 --> 00:18:12,909 The design of the boat has to take that into account. 262 00:18:13,079 --> 00:18:16,048 And after the Depression, 263 00:18:16,216 --> 00:18:21,916 the regulations actually introduced these very watertight compartments. 264 00:18:22,556 --> 00:18:28,392 And deregulation has led to the end of compartmentalization. 265 00:18:29,162 --> 00:18:31,426 NARRATOR: The next crisis came at the end of the '90s. 266 00:18:32,399 --> 00:18:35,891 The investment banks fueled a massive bubble in Internet stocks, 267 00:18:36,069 --> 00:18:38,765 which was followed by a crash in 2001 268 00:18:38,939 --> 00:18:41,840 that caused $5 trillion in investment losses. 269 00:18:42,409 --> 00:18:45,606 The Securities and Exchange Commission, the federal agency 270 00:18:45,779 --> 00:18:49,237 created during the Depression to regulate investment banking, 271 00:18:49,416 --> 00:18:51,077 had done nothing. 272 00:18:51,251 --> 00:18:54,880 In the absence of meaningful federal action, 273 00:18:55,055 --> 00:18:57,580 and given the clear failure of self-regulation, 274 00:18:57,757 --> 00:19:00,282 it's become necessary for others to step in 275 00:19:00,460 --> 00:19:02,360 and adopt the protections needed. 276 00:19:02,529 --> 00:19:05,692 Eliot Spitzer's investigation revealed the investment banks 277 00:19:05,866 --> 00:19:09,302 promoted Internet companies they knew would fail. 278 00:19:09,469 --> 00:19:13,030 Analysts were being paid based on how much business they brought in. 279 00:19:13,206 --> 00:19:17,540 What they said publicly was quite different from what they said privately. 280 00:19:17,711 --> 00:19:20,179 WOMAN: Infospace, given the highest possible rating, 281 00:19:20,347 --> 00:19:22,872 dismissed by an analyst as a "piece of junk." 282 00:19:23,049 --> 00:19:27,110 Excite, also highly rated, called "such a piece of crap." 283 00:19:27,287 --> 00:19:33,624 The defense that was proffered by many of the investment banks 284 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,520 was not "you're wrong," 285 00:19:36,696 --> 00:19:40,154 it was, "Everybody's doing it, everybody knows it's going on." 286 00:19:40,332 --> 00:19:42,459 Nobody should rely on these analysts anyway." 287 00:19:42,935 --> 00:19:44,960 In December, 2002, 288 00:19:45,137 --> 00:19:49,665 10 investment banks settled the case for a total of $ 1.4 billion 289 00:19:49,842 --> 00:19:52,572 and promised to change their ways. 290 00:19:52,978 --> 00:19:56,846 Scott Talbott is the chief lobbyist for the Financial Services Roundtable, 291 00:19:57,016 --> 00:19:59,416 one of Washington's most powerful groups, 292 00:19:59,585 --> 00:20:03,453 which represents nearly all of the world's largest financial companies. 293 00:20:03,622 --> 00:20:07,524 INTERVIEWER: Are you comfortable with the fact that several of your member companies 294 00:20:07,693 --> 00:20:10,685 have engaged in large-scale criminal activity? 295 00:20:10,863 --> 00:20:12,922 L... You'll have to be specific. Okay. 296 00:20:13,098 --> 00:20:16,966 And first of all, criminal activity shouldn't be accepted, period. 297 00:20:17,136 --> 00:20:19,496 (BACHMAN-TURNER OVERDRIVE'S "TAKIN' CARE OF BUSINESS" PLAYS) 298 00:20:25,477 --> 00:20:28,810 NARRATOR: Since deregulation began, the world's biggest financial firms 299 00:20:28,981 --> 00:20:32,178 have been caught laundering money, defrauding customers 300 00:20:32,351 --> 00:20:36,287 and cooking their books again and again and again. 301 00:20:47,132 --> 00:20:50,795 Credit Suisse helped funnel money for Iran's nuclear program 302 00:20:50,970 --> 00:20:53,461 and for Iran's Aerospace Industries Organization, 303 00:20:53,639 --> 00:20:55,402 which builds ballistic missiles. 304 00:20:55,574 --> 00:20:59,806 Any information that would identify it as Iranian would be removed. 305 00:20:59,979 --> 00:21:03,039 The bank was fined $536 million. 306 00:21:03,215 --> 00:21:07,151 Citibank helped funnel $ 100 million of drug money out of Mexico. 307 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:09,879 WOMAN: Did you comment that she should, quote: 308 00:21:10,055 --> 00:21:12,888 "Lose any documents connected with the account"? 309 00:21:13,058 --> 00:21:16,515 I said that in a kidding manner. It was at the early stages of this. 310 00:21:16,694 --> 00:21:18,059 I did not mean it seriously. 311 00:21:20,398 --> 00:21:23,231 Between 1998 and 2003, 312 00:21:23,401 --> 00:21:26,734 Fannie Mae overstated it's earnings by more than $ 10 billion. 313 00:21:26,904 --> 00:21:29,031 These accounting standards are complex 314 00:21:29,207 --> 00:21:33,041 and require determinations over which experts often disagree. 315 00:21:33,211 --> 00:21:37,375 CEO Franklin Raines, who used to be President Clinton's budget director, 316 00:21:37,548 --> 00:21:40,540 received over $52 million in bonuses. 317 00:21:45,289 --> 00:21:48,622 When UBS was caught helping wealthy Americans evade taxes, 318 00:21:48,793 --> 00:21:51,318 they refused to cooperate with the government. 319 00:21:51,496 --> 00:21:53,794 Would you be willing to supply the names? 320 00:21:54,332 --> 00:21:57,426 If there's a treaty framework. No treaty framework. 321 00:21:57,602 --> 00:21:59,695 You've agreed you participated in a fraud. 322 00:21:59,871 --> 00:22:00,895 Hm. 323 00:22:11,315 --> 00:22:13,715 MAN: But while the companies face unprecedented fines, 324 00:22:13,885 --> 00:22:17,753 the investment firms do not have to admit any wrongdoing. 325 00:22:17,922 --> 00:22:22,120 When dealing with this many products, this many customers, mistakes happen. 326 00:22:22,293 --> 00:22:24,699 INTERVIEWER: The financial services industry 327 00:22:24,712 --> 00:22:27,128 seems to have a level of criminality 328 00:22:27,298 --> 00:22:29,266 that is somewhat distinctive. 329 00:22:29,434 --> 00:22:33,131 You know, when was the last time that Cisco 330 00:22:33,304 --> 00:22:37,434 or Intel or Google or Apple or IBM, you know...? 331 00:22:37,608 --> 00:22:40,304 I agree about high-tech versus financial services... 332 00:22:40,478 --> 00:22:43,879 So how come? High-tech is a creative business 333 00:22:44,048 --> 00:22:45,948 where the value generation 334 00:22:46,117 --> 00:22:49,352 and income derives from actually creating something new. 335 00:22:50,620 --> 00:22:52,019 NARRATOR: Beginning in the 1990s, 336 00:22:52,189 --> 00:22:54,885 deregulation and advances in technology 337 00:22:55,058 --> 00:22:59,222 led to an explosion of complex financial products called derivatives. 338 00:22:59,396 --> 00:23:02,832 Economists and bankers claimed they made markets safer. 339 00:23:02,999 --> 00:23:06,457 But instead, they made them unstable. 340 00:23:06,636 --> 00:23:08,934 Since the end of the Cold War, 341 00:23:09,106 --> 00:23:12,098 a lot of former physicists, mathematicians, 342 00:23:12,275 --> 00:23:14,436 decided to apply their skills, 343 00:23:14,611 --> 00:23:17,341 not on, you know, Cold War technology, 344 00:23:17,514 --> 00:23:19,379 but on financial markets. 345 00:23:19,549 --> 00:23:21,676 And together with investment bankers... 346 00:23:21,852 --> 00:23:23,149 INTERVIEWER: Creating different weapons. 347 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,344 Absolutely. 348 00:23:24,521 --> 00:23:27,490 You know, as Warren Buffett said, weapons of mass destruction. 349 00:23:27,657 --> 00:23:30,990 Regulators, politicians, business people 350 00:23:31,161 --> 00:23:34,756 did not take seriously the threat of innovation 351 00:23:34,931 --> 00:23:37,627 on the stability of the financial system. 352 00:23:38,235 --> 00:23:39,532 Using derivatives, 353 00:23:39,703 --> 00:23:42,501 bankers could gamble on virtually anything. 354 00:23:42,672 --> 00:23:45,334 They could bet on the rise or fall of oil prices, 355 00:23:45,509 --> 00:23:48,376 the bankruptcy of a company, even the weather. 356 00:23:49,112 --> 00:23:50,807 By the late 1990s, 357 00:23:50,981 --> 00:23:55,975 derivatives were a 50-trillion-dollar unregulated market. 358 00:23:56,319 --> 00:24:00,881 In 1998, someone tried to regulate them. 359 00:24:01,057 --> 00:24:04,959 Brooksley Born graduated first in her class at Stanford Law School 360 00:24:05,128 --> 00:24:08,461 and was the first woman to edit a major law review. 361 00:24:08,632 --> 00:24:11,760 After running the derivatives practice at Arnold & Porter, 362 00:24:11,935 --> 00:24:13,800 Born was appointed by Clinton 363 00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:16,837 to chair the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, 364 00:24:17,007 --> 00:24:19,601 which oversaw the derivatives market. 365 00:24:19,776 --> 00:24:23,336 GREENBERGER: Brooksley Born asked me if I would come work with her. 366 00:24:23,946 --> 00:24:27,677 We decided that this was a serious, 367 00:24:27,850 --> 00:24:31,183 potentially destabilizing market. 368 00:24:31,353 --> 00:24:36,791 In May of 1998, the CFTC issued a proposal to regulate derivatives. 369 00:24:36,959 --> 00:24:40,156 Clinton's Treasury Department had an immediate response. 370 00:24:40,329 --> 00:24:44,891 I happened to go into Brooksley's office, 371 00:24:45,067 --> 00:24:49,094 and she was just putting down the receiver on her telephone, 372 00:24:49,271 --> 00:24:53,002 and the blood had drained from her face. 373 00:24:53,175 --> 00:24:56,542 And she looked at me and said, "That was Larry Summers." 374 00:24:56,712 --> 00:24:59,909 He had 13 bankers in his office. 375 00:25:00,316 --> 00:25:04,082 He conveyed it in a very bullying fashion, 376 00:25:04,253 --> 00:25:07,518 sort of directing her to stop. 377 00:25:07,957 --> 00:25:11,449 Banks were now reliant for earnings on these activities. 378 00:25:11,660 --> 00:25:17,997 And that led to a Titanic battle to prevent this from being regulated. 379 00:25:18,167 --> 00:25:20,533 Shortly after the phone call from Summers, 380 00:25:20,703 --> 00:25:24,935 Greenspan, Rubin, and SEC chairman Arthur Levitt 381 00:25:25,107 --> 00:25:27,507 issued a joint statement condemning Born 382 00:25:27,676 --> 00:25:32,272 and recommending legislation to keep derivatives unregulated. 383 00:25:32,715 --> 00:25:35,616 Regulation of derivatives transactions 384 00:25:35,784 --> 00:25:40,653 that are privately negotiated by professionals is unnecessary. 385 00:25:40,823 --> 00:25:45,419 She was overruled, unfortunately. First by the Clinton administration 386 00:25:45,594 --> 00:25:47,255 and then by the Congress. 387 00:25:47,429 --> 00:25:51,456 In 2000, Senator Phil Gramm took a major role in getting a bill passed 388 00:25:51,634 --> 00:25:54,694 that pretty much exempted derivatives from regulation. 389 00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:58,566 They are unifying markets, reducing regulatory burden. 390 00:25:58,740 --> 00:26:00,537 I believe we need to do it. 391 00:26:07,982 --> 00:26:10,951 It is our very great hope 392 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,555 that it will be possible to move this year 393 00:26:14,722 --> 00:26:17,816 on legislation that, in a suitable way 394 00:26:17,992 --> 00:26:24,329 goes to create legal certainty for OTC derivatives. 395 00:26:30,972 --> 00:26:32,769 I wish to associate myself 396 00:26:32,941 --> 00:26:36,206 with all the remarks of Secretary Summers. 397 00:26:36,611 --> 00:26:39,444 NARRATOR: In December of 2000, Congress passed 398 00:26:39,614 --> 00:26:42,412 the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. 399 00:26:42,583 --> 00:26:45,518 Written with the help of financial-industry lobbyists, 400 00:26:45,687 --> 00:26:48,747 it banned the regulation of derivatives. 401 00:26:49,691 --> 00:26:52,785 After that, it was off to the races. 402 00:26:53,361 --> 00:26:56,489 Use of derivatives and financial innovation 403 00:26:56,664 --> 00:26:59,030 exploded dramatically after 2000. 404 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,691 MAN: So help me God. So help me God. 405 00:27:01,869 --> 00:27:05,566 By the time George W. Bush took office in 2001, 406 00:27:05,740 --> 00:27:08,766 the U.S. Financial sector was vastly more profitable, 407 00:27:08,943 --> 00:27:12,743 concentrated and powerful than ever before. 408 00:27:12,981 --> 00:27:16,781 Dominating this industry were five investment banks, 409 00:27:16,951 --> 00:27:19,215 two financial conglomerates, 410 00:27:19,387 --> 00:27:22,049 three securities insurance companies 411 00:27:22,223 --> 00:27:24,521 and three rating agencies. 412 00:27:25,259 --> 00:27:28,626 And linking them all together was the securitization food chain. 413 00:27:28,796 --> 00:27:31,662 A new system which connected trillions of dollars 414 00:27:31,832 --> 00:27:36,326 in mortgages and other loans with investors all over the world. 415 00:27:36,503 --> 00:27:39,165 Thirty years ago, if you went to get a loan for a home, 416 00:27:39,339 --> 00:27:43,036 the person lending you the money expected you to pay him or her back. 417 00:27:43,210 --> 00:27:46,145 You got a loan from a lender who wanted to be paid back. 418 00:27:46,313 --> 00:27:50,147 We've since developed securitization, whereby people who make the loan 419 00:27:50,317 --> 00:27:52,751 are no longer at risk if they fail to repay. 420 00:27:53,220 --> 00:27:57,122 In the old system, when a homeowner paid their mortgage every month, 421 00:27:57,290 --> 00:27:59,758 the money went to their local lender. 422 00:27:59,926 --> 00:28:04,920 And since mortgages took decades to repay, lenders were careful. 423 00:28:05,265 --> 00:28:09,759 In the new system, lenders sold mortgages to investment banks. 424 00:28:09,936 --> 00:28:13,303 The banks combined thousands of mortgages and loans, 425 00:28:13,473 --> 00:28:17,534 including car loans, student loans, and credit card debt, 426 00:28:17,711 --> 00:28:21,875 to create complex derivatives called collateralized debt obligations, 427 00:28:22,049 --> 00:28:23,778 or CDOs. 428 00:28:23,950 --> 00:28:28,819 The investment banks then sold the CDOs to investors. 429 00:28:28,989 --> 00:28:31,287 Now when homeowners paid their mortgages, 430 00:28:31,458 --> 00:28:34,552 the money went to investors all over the world. 431 00:28:34,828 --> 00:28:37,296 The investment banks paid rating agencies 432 00:28:37,464 --> 00:28:39,159 to evaluate the CDOs, 433 00:28:39,332 --> 00:28:41,994 and many of them were given a triple-A rating, 434 00:28:42,169 --> 00:28:44,797 which is the highest possible investment grade. 435 00:28:44,971 --> 00:28:47,997 This made CDOs popular with retirement funds, 436 00:28:48,175 --> 00:28:51,941 which could only purchase highly rated securities. 437 00:28:53,613 --> 00:28:56,446 This system was a ticking time bomb. 438 00:28:56,616 --> 00:29:00,279 Lenders didn't care anymore about whether a borrower could repay, 439 00:29:00,454 --> 00:29:03,150 so they started making riskier loans. 440 00:29:03,323 --> 00:29:05,484 The investment banks didn't care either. 441 00:29:05,659 --> 00:29:09,389 The more CDOs they sold, the higher their profits. 442 00:29:09,562 --> 00:29:13,123 And the rating agencies, which were paid by the investment banks, 443 00:29:13,299 --> 00:29:17,759 had no liability if their ratings of CDOs proved wrong. 444 00:29:18,904 --> 00:29:23,136 You weren't gonna be on the hook, there weren't regulatory constraints. 445 00:29:23,309 --> 00:29:26,506 So it was a green light to just pump out more and more loans. 446 00:29:26,979 --> 00:29:29,812 NARRATOR: Between 2000 and 2003, 447 00:29:29,982 --> 00:29:34,749 the number of mortgage loans made each year nearly quadrupled. 448 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,855 Everybody in this securitization food chain, 449 00:29:38,023 --> 00:29:40,514 from the very beginning until the end, 450 00:29:40,693 --> 00:29:43,025 didn't care about the quality of the mortgage. 451 00:29:43,195 --> 00:29:45,720 They were caring about maximizing their volume 452 00:29:45,898 --> 00:29:47,661 and getting a fee out of it. 453 00:29:47,833 --> 00:29:49,323 In the early 2000s, 454 00:29:49,502 --> 00:29:54,235 there was a huge increase in the riskiest loans, called subprime. 455 00:29:54,406 --> 00:29:58,968 When thousands of subprime loans were combined to create CDOs, 456 00:29:59,145 --> 00:30:02,774 many of them still received triple-A ratings. 457 00:30:04,984 --> 00:30:09,478 INTERVIEWER: Now, it would have been possible to create derivative products 458 00:30:09,655 --> 00:30:11,885 that don't have these risks, 459 00:30:12,057 --> 00:30:14,457 that carry the equivalent of deductibles, 460 00:30:14,627 --> 00:30:19,428 where there are limits on the risks that can be taken on, and so forth. 461 00:30:19,598 --> 00:30:22,032 They didn't do that, did they? They didn't. 462 00:30:22,201 --> 00:30:24,066 In retrospect, they should've done. 463 00:30:24,236 --> 00:30:27,148 INTERVIEWER: So did these guys know they were doing something dangerous? 464 00:30:27,173 --> 00:30:28,470 I think they did. 465 00:30:46,291 --> 00:30:51,251 All the incentives financial institutions offered to their mortgage brokers 466 00:30:51,429 --> 00:30:55,024 were based on selling the most profitable products, 467 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,827 which were predatory loans. 468 00:30:57,168 --> 00:31:01,339 If they make more money, that's where they'll put you. 469 00:31:07,178 --> 00:31:10,170 NARRATOR: Suddenly, hundreds of billions of dollars a year 470 00:31:10,348 --> 00:31:13,146 were flowing through the securitization chain. 471 00:31:13,318 --> 00:31:15,183 Since anyone could get a mortgage, 472 00:31:15,353 --> 00:31:18,379 home purchases and housing prices skyrocketed. 473 00:31:18,556 --> 00:31:23,016 The result was the biggest financial bubble in history. 474 00:31:23,194 --> 00:31:25,628 Real estate is real. They can see their asset. 475 00:31:25,797 --> 00:31:28,925 They can live in their asset. They can rent out their asset. 476 00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:32,331 You had a huge boom in housing that made no sense at all. 477 00:31:32,704 --> 00:31:39,041 The financing appetites of the financial sector 478 00:31:39,377 --> 00:31:42,312 drove what everybody else did. 479 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,348 Last time we had a housing bubble was in the late '80s. 480 00:31:47,485 --> 00:31:51,615 In that case, the increase in home price had been relatively minor. 481 00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:56,723 That housing bubble led to a relatively severe recession. 482 00:31:56,894 --> 00:32:00,955 From 1996 until 2006, 483 00:32:01,132 --> 00:32:03,965 real home prices effectively doubled. 484 00:32:08,906 --> 00:32:13,366 MAN: At $500 a ticket, they've come to hear how to buy their very own piece 485 00:32:13,544 --> 00:32:15,738 of the American dream. 486 00:32:15,912 --> 00:32:20,076 Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, 487 00:32:20,250 --> 00:32:23,048 Merrill Lynch were all in on this. 488 00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:29,090 The subprime lending alone increased from 30 billion a year in funding 489 00:32:29,259 --> 00:32:33,195 to over 600 billion a year in 10 years. 490 00:32:33,363 --> 00:32:34,887 They knew what was happening. 491 00:32:35,265 --> 00:32:38,632 NARRATOR: Countrywide Financial, the largest subprime lender, 492 00:32:38,802 --> 00:32:42,829 issued $97 billion worth of loans. 493 00:32:43,006 --> 00:32:47,568 It made over $ 11 billion in profits as a result. 494 00:32:48,312 --> 00:32:51,645 On Wall Street, annual cash bonuses spiked. 495 00:32:51,815 --> 00:32:53,305 Traders and CEOs 496 00:32:53,483 --> 00:32:56,179 became enormously wealthy during the bubble. 497 00:32:56,353 --> 00:33:00,312 Lehman Brothers was a top underwriter of subprime lending, 498 00:33:00,490 --> 00:33:02,720 and their CEO, Richard Fuld, 499 00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:06,791 took home $485 million. 500 00:33:06,963 --> 00:33:10,228 On Wall Street, this housing and credit bubble 501 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,927 was leading to hundreds of billions of dollars of profits. 502 00:33:14,104 --> 00:33:17,540 You know, by 2006 about 40 percent of all profits 503 00:33:17,708 --> 00:33:21,804 of S&P 500 firms was coming from financial institutions. 504 00:33:21,978 --> 00:33:24,139 It wasn't real profits or income. 505 00:33:24,314 --> 00:33:29,183 It was money created by the system and booked as income. 506 00:33:29,353 --> 00:33:32,948 Two, three years down the road there's a default, it's all wiped out. 507 00:33:33,123 --> 00:33:37,082 I think it was, in fact, in retrospect, a great big national... 508 00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:39,922 And not just national, global Ponzi scheme. 509 00:33:40,664 --> 00:33:43,531 Through the Home Ownership and Equity Protection Act, 510 00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:46,362 the Federal Reserve board had broad authority 511 00:33:46,536 --> 00:33:48,504 to regulate the mortgage industry. 512 00:33:48,671 --> 00:33:52,300 But Fed chairman Alan Greenspan refused to use it. 513 00:33:52,475 --> 00:33:55,000 Alan Greenspan said, "No, that's regulation. 514 00:33:55,177 --> 00:33:56,508 I don't believe in it." 515 00:33:56,679 --> 00:34:00,513 For 20 years, Robert Gnaizda was the head of Greenlining, 516 00:34:00,683 --> 00:34:03,117 a powerful consumer advocacy group. 517 00:34:03,285 --> 00:34:06,049 He met with Greenspan on a regular basis. 518 00:34:06,222 --> 00:34:08,690 We gave him an example of Countrywide 519 00:34:08,858 --> 00:34:13,921 and 150 different complex adjustable-rate mortgages. 520 00:34:14,096 --> 00:34:16,929 He said, "If you had a doctorate in math" 521 00:34:17,099 --> 00:34:19,795 you wouldn't be able to understand them enough 522 00:34:19,969 --> 00:34:23,302 "to know which was good for you and which wasn't." 523 00:34:23,706 --> 00:34:26,539 So we thought he was gonna take action. 524 00:34:26,709 --> 00:34:28,939 But as the conversation continued, 525 00:34:29,111 --> 00:34:31,944 it was clear he was stuck with his ideology. 526 00:34:32,114 --> 00:34:35,208 We met again with Greenspan in '05. 527 00:34:35,384 --> 00:34:39,286 Often we met with him twice a year, and never less than once a year. 528 00:34:39,455 --> 00:34:41,616 And he wouldn't change his mind. 529 00:34:46,695 --> 00:34:50,392 In this world of global communications, 530 00:34:50,566 --> 00:34:52,591 the efficient movement of capital 531 00:34:52,768 --> 00:34:56,465 is helping to create the greatest prosperity in human history. 532 00:35:02,845 --> 00:35:06,713 A hundred and forty-six people were cut from the SEC Enforcement Division? 533 00:35:06,882 --> 00:35:08,816 Is that what you also testified to? 534 00:35:08,984 --> 00:35:10,281 Yes. 535 00:35:10,453 --> 00:35:15,789 Yeah, I think there has been a systematic gutting, 536 00:35:15,958 --> 00:35:18,552 or whatever you wanna call it, of the agency 537 00:35:18,727 --> 00:35:21,821 and it's capability through cutting back of staff. 538 00:35:21,997 --> 00:35:24,726 WELCH: The SEC Office of Risk Management 539 00:35:24,899 --> 00:35:28,858 was reduced to a staff, did you say, of one? 540 00:35:29,037 --> 00:35:33,167 TURNER: Yeah. When that gentleman would go home, he could turn the lights out. 541 00:35:35,143 --> 00:35:38,340 NARRATOR: During the bubble, investment banks were borrowing heavily 542 00:35:38,513 --> 00:35:42,313 to buy more loans and create more CDOs. 543 00:35:43,117 --> 00:35:46,245 The ratio between borrowed money and the banks' own money 544 00:35:46,421 --> 00:35:48,286 was called leverage. 545 00:35:48,456 --> 00:35:52,620 The more the banks borrowed, the higher their leverage. 546 00:35:53,862 --> 00:35:58,356 In 2004, Henry Paulson, the CEO of Goldman Sachs, 547 00:35:58,533 --> 00:36:02,799 helped lobby the SEC to relax limits on leverage, 548 00:36:03,238 --> 00:36:07,072 allowing the banks to sharply increase their borrowing. 549 00:36:07,242 --> 00:36:09,767 The SEC somehow decided 550 00:36:09,944 --> 00:36:13,311 to let investment banks gamble a lot more. 551 00:36:13,481 --> 00:36:16,609 That was nuts. I don't know why they did that, but they did. 552 00:36:23,324 --> 00:36:26,724 (GOLDSCHMID ON RECORDING) We've said these are the big guys, and clearly that's true. 553 00:36:26,728 --> 00:36:32,394 But that means if anything goes wrong, it's going to be an awfully big mess. 554 00:36:33,535 --> 00:36:36,305 NAZARETH: You are dealing with the most 555 00:36:36,318 --> 00:36:39,098 highly sophisticated financial institutions. 556 00:36:39,274 --> 00:36:43,074 CAMPOS: These are the firms that do most of the derivative activity. 557 00:36:43,244 --> 00:36:46,680 We talked to some as to what their comfort level was. 558 00:36:46,848 --> 00:36:51,842 NAZARETH: The firms actually thought that the number was appropriate. 559 00:36:52,020 --> 00:36:56,320 DONALDSON: The commissioners vote to adopt the new rules as recommended. 560 00:36:56,491 --> 00:36:57,684 MAN: Yes. WOMAN: Yes. 561 00:36:58,091 --> 00:37:01,862 DONALDSON: We do indeed. It's unanimous. And we are adjourned. 562 00:37:04,698 --> 00:37:07,929 MAN: The degree of leverage in the financial system 563 00:37:08,101 --> 00:37:10,626 became absolutely frightening. 564 00:37:10,804 --> 00:37:15,264 Investment banks leveraging up to the level of 33-to-1. 565 00:37:15,442 --> 00:37:18,138 Which means that a tiny 3-percent decrease 566 00:37:18,312 --> 00:37:21,645 in the value of their asset base would leave them insolvent. 567 00:37:23,951 --> 00:37:27,216 NARRATOR: There was another ticking time bomb in the financial system. 568 00:37:27,387 --> 00:37:30,652 AIG, the world's largest insurance company, 569 00:37:30,824 --> 00:37:33,315 was selling huge quantities of derivatives 570 00:37:33,493 --> 00:37:35,324 called credit default swaps. 571 00:37:37,264 --> 00:37:39,459 For investors who owned CDOs, 572 00:37:39,633 --> 00:37:43,160 credit default swaps worked like an insurance policy. 573 00:37:43,337 --> 00:37:45,965 An investor who purchased a credit default swap 574 00:37:46,139 --> 00:37:49,131 paid AIG a quarterly premium. 575 00:37:49,309 --> 00:37:51,072 If the CDO went bad, 576 00:37:51,244 --> 00:37:55,374 AIG promised to pay the investor for their losses. 577 00:37:56,416 --> 00:37:58,350 But unlike regular insurance, 578 00:37:58,518 --> 00:38:02,113 speculators could also buy credit default swaps from AIG 579 00:38:02,289 --> 00:38:05,884 in order to bet against CDOs they didn't own. 580 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,454 In insurance, you can only insure something you own. 581 00:38:09,630 --> 00:38:12,690 Let's say you and I own property. I own a house. 582 00:38:12,866 --> 00:38:15,232 I can only insure that house once. 583 00:38:15,402 --> 00:38:18,337 The derivatives universe essentially enables anybody 584 00:38:18,505 --> 00:38:20,473 to actually insure that house. 585 00:38:20,641 --> 00:38:22,973 You could insure that, somebody else could. 586 00:38:23,143 --> 00:38:25,202 So 50 people might insure my house. 587 00:38:25,379 --> 00:38:28,109 So what happens is, if my house burns down, 588 00:38:28,281 --> 00:38:32,114 the number of losses in the system becomes proportionately larger. 589 00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:35,449 Since credit default swaps were unregulated, 590 00:38:35,621 --> 00:38:39,955 AIG didn't have to put aside any money to cover potential losses. 591 00:38:40,126 --> 00:38:44,187 Instead, AIG paid it's employees huge cash bonuses 592 00:38:44,363 --> 00:38:46,729 as soon as contracts were signed. 593 00:38:46,899 --> 00:38:49,367 But if the CDOs later went bad, 594 00:38:49,535 --> 00:38:52,163 AIG would be on the hook. 595 00:38:52,338 --> 00:38:56,502 People were essentially being rewarded for taking massive risks. 596 00:38:56,676 --> 00:39:00,510 In good times, they generate short-term revenues and profits 597 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,113 and, therefore, bonuses. 598 00:39:02,281 --> 00:39:05,648 But that's gonna lead to the firm to be bankrupt over time. 599 00:39:05,818 --> 00:39:08,309 That's a distorted system of compensation. 600 00:39:09,055 --> 00:39:12,081 AIG's Financial Products division in London 601 00:39:12,258 --> 00:39:16,627 issued $500 billion worth of credit default swaps during the bubble, 602 00:39:17,329 --> 00:39:21,789 many of them for CDOs backed by subprime mortgages. 603 00:39:21,967 --> 00:39:24,401 The 400 employees at AIGFP 604 00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:28,597 made $3.5 billion between 2000 and 2007. 605 00:39:29,375 --> 00:39:32,105 Joseph Cassano, the head of AIGFP, 606 00:39:32,278 --> 00:39:35,475 personally made $315 million. 607 00:39:35,648 --> 00:39:37,209 (CASSANO ON RECORDING) It's hard for us, 608 00:39:37,216 --> 00:39:41,880 and without being flippant, to even see a scenario 609 00:39:42,054 --> 00:39:44,352 within any kind of realm of reason 610 00:39:44,523 --> 00:39:49,426 that would see us losing one dollar in any of those transactions. 611 00:39:49,762 --> 00:39:53,926 NARRATOR: In 2007, AIG's auditors raised warnings. 612 00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,193 One of them, Joseph St. Denis, 613 00:39:56,368 --> 00:39:59,997 resigned in protest after Cassano repeatedly blocked him 614 00:40:00,172 --> 00:40:03,107 from investigating AIGFP's accounting. 615 00:40:03,275 --> 00:40:05,231 Let me tell you one person that didn't get a 616 00:40:05,244 --> 00:40:07,210 bonus while everybody else was getting bonuses. 617 00:40:07,378 --> 00:40:11,371 That was St. Denis. Mr. St. Denis tried to alert the two of you 618 00:40:11,549 --> 00:40:14,211 to the fact you were running into big problems. 619 00:40:14,753 --> 00:40:18,018 He quit in frustration, and he didn't get a bonus. 620 00:40:18,389 --> 00:40:21,153 In 2005, Raghuram Rajan, 621 00:40:21,326 --> 00:40:24,818 then the chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, 622 00:40:24,996 --> 00:40:27,624 delivered a paper at the Jackson Hole symposium, 623 00:40:27,799 --> 00:40:30,461 the most elite banking conference in the world. 624 00:40:30,635 --> 00:40:32,125 INTERVIEWER: Who was in the audience? 625 00:40:32,303 --> 00:40:37,138 It was the central bankers of the world, 626 00:40:37,308 --> 00:40:40,675 ranging from Mr. Greenspan himself, 627 00:40:40,845 --> 00:40:42,039 Ben Bernanke 628 00:40:42,213 --> 00:40:43,339 Larry Summers. 629 00:40:43,615 --> 00:40:45,480 Tim Geithner was there. 630 00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:47,618 The title of the paper was essentially: 631 00:40:47,919 --> 00:40:51,514 "Is Financial Development Making the World Riskier?" 632 00:40:51,689 --> 00:40:55,056 And the conclusion was, it is. 633 00:40:57,095 --> 00:40:59,825 Rajan's paper focused on incentive structures 634 00:40:59,998 --> 00:41:04,230 that generated huge cash bonuses based on short-term profits, 635 00:41:04,402 --> 00:41:07,667 but which imposed no penalties for later losses. 636 00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:10,774 Rajan argued that these incentives encouraged bankers 637 00:41:10,942 --> 00:41:14,537 to take risks that might eventually destroy their own firms 638 00:41:14,712 --> 00:41:17,943 or even the entire financial system. 639 00:41:20,518 --> 00:41:24,750 It's very easy to generate performance by taking on more risk. 640 00:41:24,923 --> 00:41:29,451 So what you need to do is compensate for risk-adjusted performance. 641 00:41:29,627 --> 00:41:31,891 And that's where all the bodies are buried. 642 00:41:32,063 --> 00:41:35,191 Rajan, you know, hit the nail on the head. 643 00:41:35,366 --> 00:41:37,357 What he particularly said was: 644 00:41:37,535 --> 00:41:39,935 "You guys have claimed you've found a way" 645 00:41:40,103 --> 00:41:42,571 to make more profits with less risk. 646 00:41:42,739 --> 00:41:45,936 I say you've found a way to make more profits with more risk. 647 00:41:46,109 --> 00:41:47,474 "There's a big difference." 648 00:41:47,644 --> 00:41:50,238 Summers was vocal. 649 00:41:50,581 --> 00:41:52,776 He basically thought 650 00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:58,217 that I was criticizing the change in the financial world 651 00:41:58,388 --> 00:42:01,687 and was worried about, you know, regulation, 652 00:42:01,859 --> 00:42:03,884 which would reverse this change. 653 00:42:04,061 --> 00:42:06,461 Essentially he accused me of being a Luddite. 654 00:42:07,531 --> 00:42:11,092 He wanted to make sure that we didn't bring in 655 00:42:11,268 --> 00:42:13,065 a whole new set of regulations 656 00:42:13,237 --> 00:42:15,728 to constrain the financial sector. 657 00:42:19,843 --> 00:42:23,973 You're gonna make an extra $2 million a year, or $ 10 million a year, 658 00:42:24,147 --> 00:42:26,741 for putting your financial institution at risk. 659 00:42:26,917 --> 00:42:29,044 Someone else pays the bill, you don't. 660 00:42:29,219 --> 00:42:30,652 Would you make that bet? 661 00:42:30,821 --> 00:42:34,132 Most people on Wall Street said, "Sure, I'd make that bet." 662 00:42:34,157 --> 00:42:36,148 (ACE FREHLE Y'S "NEW YORK GROOVE" PLAYS) 663 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,890 GNAIZDA: It never was enough. 664 00:43:19,068 --> 00:43:22,333 They don't wanna own one home, they wanna own five homes. 665 00:43:22,505 --> 00:43:25,303 And they wanna have an expensive penthouse 666 00:43:25,474 --> 00:43:27,601 on Park Avenue. 667 00:43:28,177 --> 00:43:31,044 And they wanna have their own private jet. 668 00:43:31,213 --> 00:43:34,080 INTERVIEWER: You think this is an industry where high...? 669 00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:36,480 Very high compensation levels are justified? 670 00:43:36,652 --> 00:43:39,348 I think I would take caution, or take heed, 671 00:43:39,522 --> 00:43:42,719 or take exception to your word "very high." It's relative. 672 00:43:42,892 --> 00:43:45,258 You have a 14-million-dollar home in Florida. 673 00:43:45,428 --> 00:43:48,329 You have a summer home in Sun Valley, Idaho. 674 00:43:48,497 --> 00:43:51,933 An art collection filled with million-dollar paintings. 675 00:43:52,101 --> 00:43:54,729 MAN: Richard Fuld never appeared on the trading floor. 676 00:43:54,904 --> 00:43:57,202 There were art advisors there all the time. 677 00:43:57,373 --> 00:43:58,965 He had a private elevator. 678 00:43:59,141 --> 00:44:01,701 He wanted to be disconnected. 679 00:44:01,877 --> 00:44:04,710 His elevator, they hired technicians to program it 680 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,644 so that his driver would call in in the morning 681 00:44:07,817 --> 00:44:09,944 and a security guard would hold it. 682 00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:14,579 There's only a three-second window where he actually has to see people. 683 00:44:14,757 --> 00:44:17,783 And he hops into this elevator and it goes straight to 31. 684 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,258 INTERVIEWER: Lehman owned corporate jets. 685 00:44:20,429 --> 00:44:22,454 You know about this? Yes. 686 00:44:22,631 --> 00:44:23,941 INTERVIEWER: How many were there? 687 00:44:23,966 --> 00:44:26,628 MILLER: Well, there were six, including the 767 s. 688 00:44:26,902 --> 00:44:28,563 They also had a helicopter. 689 00:44:28,738 --> 00:44:31,229 INTERVIEWER: Isn't that kind of a lot of planes to have? 690 00:44:34,110 --> 00:44:36,078 We're dealing with type-A personalities. 691 00:44:36,278 --> 00:44:38,508 And type-A personalities know everything in the world. 692 00:44:38,681 --> 00:44:41,013 Banking became a pissing contest. 693 00:44:41,183 --> 00:44:43,447 "Mine's bigger than yours." That kind of stuff. 694 00:44:43,619 --> 00:44:45,780 It was all men that ran it, incidentally. 695 00:44:45,955 --> 00:44:49,947 Fifty-billion-dollar deals weren't large enough, so we'd do 100-billion deals. 696 00:44:50,125 --> 00:44:52,958 These people are risk-takers. They're impulsive. 697 00:44:58,433 --> 00:45:01,561 It's part of their behavior. It's part of their personality. 698 00:45:01,736 --> 00:45:04,796 And that manifests outside of work as well. 699 00:45:04,973 --> 00:45:07,498 It was quite typical for the guys to go out 700 00:45:07,675 --> 00:45:09,666 to go to strip bars, to use drugs. 701 00:45:09,844 --> 00:45:12,642 I see a lot of cocaine use, use of prostitution. 702 00:45:19,754 --> 00:45:22,086 Recently, neuroscientists have done experiments 703 00:45:22,257 --> 00:45:27,217 where they've taken individuals and put them into an MRI machine, 704 00:45:27,395 --> 00:45:31,661 and they have them play a game where the prize is money. 705 00:45:31,833 --> 00:45:35,428 And they noticed that when the subjects earn money, 706 00:45:35,603 --> 00:45:37,901 the part of the brain that gets stimulated 707 00:45:38,073 --> 00:45:40,439 is the same part that cocaine stimulates. 708 00:45:40,608 --> 00:45:44,271 JONATHAN: A lot of people feel that they need to participate in that behavior 709 00:45:44,446 --> 00:45:46,880 to make it, to get promoted, get recognized. 710 00:45:47,048 --> 00:45:50,108 NARRATOR: According to a Bloomberg article, business entertainment 711 00:45:50,285 --> 00:45:53,618 represents 5 percent of revenue for derivatives brokers 712 00:45:53,788 --> 00:45:58,122 and often includes strip clubs, prostitution and drugs. 713 00:45:58,293 --> 00:46:01,956 A New York broker filed a lawsuit in 2007 against his firm 714 00:46:02,530 --> 00:46:07,331 alleging he was required to retain prostitutes to entertain traders. 715 00:46:07,502 --> 00:46:09,367 There's just a blatant disregard 716 00:46:09,537 --> 00:46:14,201 for the impact that their actions might have on society, on family. 717 00:46:14,375 --> 00:46:17,606 They have no problem using a prostitute 718 00:46:17,779 --> 00:46:20,009 and going home to their wife. 719 00:46:29,022 --> 00:46:30,922 INTERVIEWER: How many customers? 720 00:46:31,091 --> 00:46:33,389 About 10,000 at that point in time. 721 00:46:37,531 --> 00:46:39,692 INTERVIEWER: What fraction were from Wall Street? 722 00:46:39,867 --> 00:46:44,327 Of the higher-end clients, probably 40 to 50 percent. 723 00:46:44,505 --> 00:46:46,945 INTERVIEWER: Were all the major Wall Street firms represented? 724 00:46:47,107 --> 00:46:48,131 Goldman Sachs? 725 00:46:48,308 --> 00:46:51,243 Lehman Brothers. They're all in there. 726 00:46:51,411 --> 00:46:55,211 Morgan Stanley was a little less of that. 727 00:46:55,382 --> 00:46:58,408 I think Goldman was pretty, pretty big with that. 728 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,152 Davis: Clients would call and say: 729 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,084 "Can you get me a Lamborghini for the girl?" 730 00:47:03,257 --> 00:47:05,555 These guys were spending corporate money. 731 00:47:05,726 --> 00:47:10,095 I had many black cards from, you know, the various financial firms. 732 00:47:10,597 --> 00:47:13,998 JONATHAN: What's happening is services are being charged 733 00:47:14,168 --> 00:47:15,931 to computer repair. 734 00:47:16,270 --> 00:47:20,434 Trading research, you know, consulting for market compliance. 735 00:47:20,607 --> 00:47:23,872 Just gave them letterhead and said, "Make your own invoice." 736 00:47:24,044 --> 00:47:27,207 INTERVIEWER: This behavior extends to the senior management of the firm? 737 00:47:27,381 --> 00:47:29,008 Absolutely does. Yeah. 738 00:47:29,183 --> 00:47:31,276 I know for a fact that it does. 739 00:47:31,451 --> 00:47:34,215 It extends to the very top. 740 00:47:37,691 --> 00:47:41,855 A friend of mine in a company that has a big financial presence said: 741 00:47:42,029 --> 00:47:45,988 "It's about time you learned about subprime mortgages." 742 00:47:46,166 --> 00:47:49,932 So he set up a session with his trading desk and me. 743 00:47:50,337 --> 00:47:53,966 And the techie who did all this gets very excited, 744 00:47:54,141 --> 00:47:57,632 runs to his computer, pulls up in about three seconds 745 00:47:57,810 --> 00:48:00,836 this Goldman Sachs issue of securities. 746 00:48:01,013 --> 00:48:02,446 It was a complete disaster. 747 00:48:02,815 --> 00:48:08,185 Borrowers had borrowed, on average, 99.3 percent of the price of the house. 748 00:48:08,354 --> 00:48:10,254 They have no money in the house. 749 00:48:10,423 --> 00:48:13,654 If anything goes wrong, they walk away from the mortgage. 750 00:48:13,826 --> 00:48:16,590 This is not a loan you'd really make, right? 751 00:48:16,762 --> 00:48:18,195 You've gotta be crazy. 752 00:48:18,364 --> 00:48:21,492 But somehow, you took 8000 of these loans, 753 00:48:21,667 --> 00:48:23,862 and by the time the guys were done 754 00:48:24,036 --> 00:48:26,834 at Goldman Sachs and the rating agencies, 755 00:48:27,006 --> 00:48:29,440 two-thirds of the loans were rated triple-A. 756 00:48:29,609 --> 00:48:32,476 They were rated as safe as government securities. 757 00:48:32,645 --> 00:48:34,169 It's utterly mad. 758 00:48:35,047 --> 00:48:38,608 NARRATOR: Goldman Sachs sold at least $3. 1 billion worth 759 00:48:38,784 --> 00:48:42,550 of these toxic CDOs in the first half of 2006. 760 00:48:42,955 --> 00:48:46,891 The CEO of Goldman Sachs at this time was Henry Paulson, 761 00:48:47,059 --> 00:48:49,550 the highest paid CEO on Wall Street. 762 00:48:52,231 --> 00:48:54,461 Good morning. I'm pleased to announce 763 00:48:54,634 --> 00:48:58,502 that I will nominate Henry Paulson to be the Secretary of the Treasury. 764 00:48:58,671 --> 00:49:00,400 He has a lifetime of experience. 765 00:49:00,573 --> 00:49:02,734 He has knowledge of financial markets. 766 00:49:02,908 --> 00:49:05,809 He's earned a reputation for candor and integrity. 767 00:49:06,312 --> 00:49:08,177 NARRATOR: You might think it would be hard 768 00:49:08,347 --> 00:49:10,907 to adjust to a meager government salary. 769 00:49:11,083 --> 00:49:13,313 But taking the job as Treasury secretary 770 00:49:13,486 --> 00:49:16,478 was the best financial decision of his life. 771 00:49:16,656 --> 00:49:20,990 Paulson had to sell his $485 million of Goldman stock 772 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,321 when he went to work for the government. 773 00:49:23,496 --> 00:49:26,522 But because of a law passed by the first President Bush, 774 00:49:26,699 --> 00:49:28,860 he didn't have to pay any taxes on it. 775 00:49:29,035 --> 00:49:32,060 It saved him $50 million. 776 00:49:38,843 --> 00:49:42,472 SLOAN: The article came out in October of 2007. 777 00:49:42,814 --> 00:49:46,341 Already, a third of the mortgages defaulted. 778 00:49:46,518 --> 00:49:48,952 Now most of them are going. 779 00:49:51,189 --> 00:49:54,420 One group that had purchased these now worthless securities 780 00:49:54,592 --> 00:49:58,084 was the Public Employees' Retirement System of Mississippi, 781 00:49:58,263 --> 00:50:01,790 which provides monthly benefits to over 80,000 retirees. 782 00:50:02,734 --> 00:50:07,535 They lost millions of dollars and are now suing Goldman Sachs. 783 00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:25,853 By late 2006, Goldman had taken things a step further. 784 00:50:26,024 --> 00:50:28,515 It didn't just sell toxic CDOs, 785 00:50:28,693 --> 00:50:32,857 it started betting against them at the same time it was telling customers 786 00:50:33,031 --> 00:50:35,761 that they were high-quality investments. 787 00:50:36,668 --> 00:50:39,933 By purchasing credit default swaps from AIG, 788 00:50:40,105 --> 00:50:43,074 Goldman could bet against CDOs it didn't own 789 00:50:43,241 --> 00:50:46,472 and get paid when the CDOs failed. 790 00:50:47,445 --> 00:50:51,643 I asked if anybody called the customers and said: 791 00:50:51,816 --> 00:50:54,614 "We don't really like this kind of mortgage anymore, 792 00:50:54,786 --> 00:50:56,947 and we thought you ought to know." 793 00:50:57,122 --> 00:51:01,650 They didn't say anything, but you could feel the laughter over the phone. 794 00:51:02,927 --> 00:51:05,793 Goldman Sachs bought at least $22 billion 795 00:51:05,963 --> 00:51:08,557 of credit default swaps from AIG. 796 00:51:08,732 --> 00:51:13,635 It was so much that Goldman realized that AIG itself might go bankrupt. 797 00:51:13,804 --> 00:51:16,773 So they spent $ 150 million insuring themselves 798 00:51:16,940 --> 00:51:19,738 against AIG's potential collapse. 799 00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:23,505 Then in 2007, Goldman went even further. 800 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,376 They started selling CDOs specifically designed 801 00:51:26,550 --> 00:51:29,075 so that the more money their customers lost, 802 00:51:29,253 --> 00:51:31,655 the more money Goldman Sachs made. 803 00:51:38,061 --> 00:51:43,089 Six hundred million dollars of Timberwolf securities is what you sold. 804 00:51:43,267 --> 00:51:45,895 Before you sold them, 805 00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:49,402 this is what your sales team were telling to each other: 806 00:51:50,207 --> 00:51:53,904 "Boy, that Timberwolf was one shitty deal." 807 00:51:54,077 --> 00:51:59,174 This was an e-mail to me in late June, after the transaction. 808 00:51:59,349 --> 00:52:02,648 No, no. You sold Timberwolf after as well. 809 00:52:02,820 --> 00:52:05,050 SPARKS: We did trades after that. Yeah. Okay. 810 00:52:05,322 --> 00:52:08,553 The next e-mail... Take a look. July 1, '07. 811 00:52:08,725 --> 00:52:11,888 - Tells the sales force, "The top priority is Timberwolf." 812 00:52:12,162 --> 00:52:15,495 Your top priority to sell is that shitty deal. 813 00:52:15,666 --> 00:52:17,930 If you have an adverse interest to your client, 814 00:52:18,101 --> 00:52:19,932 do you have the duty to disclose it? 815 00:52:20,103 --> 00:52:22,435 To tell that client of your adverse interest? 816 00:52:22,606 --> 00:52:25,097 That's my question. I'm trying to understand... 817 00:52:25,275 --> 00:52:27,766 LEVIN: I think you understand. You don't wanna answer. 818 00:52:27,945 --> 00:52:30,243 Do you believe you have a duty 819 00:52:30,414 --> 00:52:34,180 to act in your clients' best interest? 820 00:52:35,552 --> 00:52:40,420 I repeat, we have a duty to serve our clients 821 00:52:40,590 --> 00:52:45,050 by showing prices on transactions that they ask us to show prices for. 822 00:52:45,228 --> 00:52:47,992 What do you think about selling securities 823 00:52:48,164 --> 00:52:51,292 which your own people think are crap? 824 00:52:51,467 --> 00:52:53,230 Does that bother you? 825 00:52:53,402 --> 00:52:55,666 BLANKFEIN: I think they would. 826 00:52:55,872 --> 00:52:58,636 As a hypothetical? LEVIN: No, this is real. 827 00:52:58,808 --> 00:53:01,208 Well, then I don't know... LEVIN: We heard it today. 828 00:53:01,377 --> 00:53:04,437 We heard it today. "This is a shitty deal." "This is crap." 829 00:53:04,614 --> 00:53:06,639 I heard nothing today 830 00:53:06,816 --> 00:53:10,582 that makes me think anything went wrong. 831 00:53:10,753 --> 00:53:14,814 Is there not a conflict when you sell something to somebody 832 00:53:14,991 --> 00:53:20,395 and then are determined to bet against that same security, 833 00:53:20,563 --> 00:53:24,158 and you don't disclose that to the person you're selling it to? 834 00:53:24,333 --> 00:53:25,357 You see a problem? 835 00:53:25,535 --> 00:53:28,629 In the context of market making, that is not a conflict. 836 00:53:28,804 --> 00:53:31,898 LEVIN: When you heard your employees in e-mails said, 837 00:53:32,074 --> 00:53:35,635 "What a shitty deal," "What a piece of crap," 838 00:53:35,811 --> 00:53:37,176 did you feel anything? 839 00:53:37,346 --> 00:53:39,507 That's very unfortunate to have on e-mail. 840 00:53:39,682 --> 00:53:40,706 LEVIN: Are you embar...? 841 00:53:40,883 --> 00:53:42,214 (PEOPLE LAUGH AND GROAN) 842 00:53:42,385 --> 00:53:44,182 And very unfortunate... I don't... I don't... 843 00:53:44,353 --> 00:53:47,083 LEVIN: "On e-mail"? How about feeling that way? 844 00:53:47,256 --> 00:53:50,657 It's very unfortunate for anyone to have said that in any form. 845 00:53:50,826 --> 00:53:55,422 Are your competitors engaged in similar activities? 846 00:53:55,598 --> 00:53:59,830 Yes, and to a greater extent than us in most cases. 847 00:54:00,202 --> 00:54:03,660 NARRATOR: Hedge fund manager John Paulson made $ 12 billion 848 00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:05,864 betting against the mortgage market. 849 00:54:06,042 --> 00:54:09,239 When Paulson ran out of mortgage securities to bet against, 850 00:54:09,412 --> 00:54:13,872 he worked with Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank to create more. 851 00:54:14,282 --> 00:54:15,874 Morgan Stanley was also selling 852 00:54:16,051 --> 00:54:19,782 mortgage securities it was betting against, and it's now being sued by 853 00:54:19,955 --> 00:54:23,447 the Government Employees' Retirement Fund of the Virgin Islands 854 00:54:23,625 --> 00:54:24,853 for fraud. 855 00:54:25,026 --> 00:54:27,460 The lawsuit alleges that Morgan Stanley knew 856 00:54:27,629 --> 00:54:29,256 that the CDOs were junk. 857 00:54:29,431 --> 00:54:31,365 Although they were rated triple-A, 858 00:54:31,533 --> 00:54:34,161 Morgan Stanley was betting they would fail. 859 00:54:34,336 --> 00:54:38,534 A year later, Morgan Stanley had made hundreds of millions of dollars, 860 00:54:38,707 --> 00:54:42,643 while the investors had lost almost all of their money. 861 00:54:58,660 --> 00:55:01,424 You would have thought pension funds would have said: 862 00:55:01,596 --> 00:55:05,123 "Those are subprime. Why am I buying them?" 863 00:55:05,834 --> 00:55:08,826 They had these guys at Moody's and Standard & Poor's 864 00:55:09,004 --> 00:55:10,733 who said, "That's a triple-A." 865 00:55:10,905 --> 00:55:16,935 No securities got issued without the seal of approval of the rating agencies. 866 00:55:17,112 --> 00:55:21,845 The three rating agencies, Moody's, S&P and Fitch, 867 00:55:22,017 --> 00:55:25,680 made billions of dollars giving high ratings to risky securities. 868 00:55:26,488 --> 00:55:30,322 Moody's, the largest rating agency, quadrupled it's profits 869 00:55:30,492 --> 00:55:33,757 between 2000 and 2007. 870 00:55:34,162 --> 00:55:37,757 Moody's and S&P get compensated based on putting out ratings reports. 871 00:55:37,932 --> 00:55:41,561 And the more structured securities they gave a triple-A rating to, 872 00:55:41,736 --> 00:55:43,533 the higher their earnings were. 873 00:55:43,705 --> 00:55:45,502 Imagine going to The Times saying: 874 00:55:45,674 --> 00:55:48,108 "Write a positive story, I'll pay you $500,000. 875 00:55:48,276 --> 00:55:50,243 If you don't, I'll give you nothing." 876 00:55:50,411 --> 00:55:52,242 Rating agencies could have stopped the party and said: 877 00:55:52,413 --> 00:55:55,849 "Sorry. We're gonna tighten our standards," 878 00:55:56,016 --> 00:56:01,147 and immediately cut off the funding to risky borrowers. 879 00:56:01,321 --> 00:56:03,721 Triple-A-rated instruments 880 00:56:04,458 --> 00:56:10,795 mushroomed from just a handful to thousands and thousands. 881 00:56:11,331 --> 00:56:15,768 Hundreds of billions of dollars were being rated, you know, and... 882 00:56:15,936 --> 00:56:17,801 INTERVIEWER: Per year? Per year. Oh, yeah. 883 00:56:17,971 --> 00:56:21,031 I've now testified before both houses of Congress 884 00:56:21,208 --> 00:56:24,473 on the credit rating agency issue, 885 00:56:24,645 --> 00:56:29,105 and both times they trot out very prominent First Amendment lawyers 886 00:56:29,283 --> 00:56:33,447 and argue that, "When we say something is rated triple-A", 887 00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:37,249 that is merely our 'opinion.' You shouldn't rely on it." 888 00:56:37,424 --> 00:56:39,585 S&P's ratings express our opinion. 889 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,991 Our ratings are our opinions. They're opinions. 890 00:56:43,230 --> 00:56:45,425 Opinions. And they are just opinions. 891 00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:50,036 I think we are emphasizing the fact that our ratings are opinions. 892 00:56:56,343 --> 00:56:59,141 They do not speak to the market value of a security, 893 00:56:59,313 --> 00:57:03,951 the volatility of it's price, or it's suitability as an investment. 894 00:57:22,436 --> 00:57:24,960 We have many economists saying: 895 00:57:25,138 --> 00:57:27,402 "Oh. This is a bubble, it's going to burst. 896 00:57:27,573 --> 00:57:29,973 This is going to be an issue for the economy." 897 00:57:30,143 --> 00:57:33,010 Some say it could even 'cause a recession at some point. 898 00:57:33,179 --> 00:57:37,115 What is the worst-case scenario if, in fact, we were to see prices 899 00:57:37,283 --> 00:57:40,047 come down substantially across the country? 900 00:57:40,219 --> 00:57:43,347 I don't buy your premise. It's an unlikely possibility. 901 00:57:43,523 --> 00:57:47,892 We've never had a decline in house prices on a nationwide basis. 902 00:57:48,060 --> 00:57:50,505 NARRATOR: Ben Bernanke became chairman of the Federal Reserve 903 00:57:50,530 --> 00:57:52,555 in February 2006, 904 00:57:52,732 --> 00:57:55,633 the top year for subprime lending. 905 00:57:56,068 --> 00:57:58,229 But despite numerous warnings, 906 00:57:58,404 --> 00:58:01,532 Bernanke and the Federal Reserve Board did nothing. 907 00:58:06,112 --> 00:58:09,479 Robert Gnaizda met with Bernanke and the Federal Reserve Board 908 00:58:09,649 --> 00:58:12,777 three times after Bernanke became chairman. 909 00:58:12,952 --> 00:58:17,912 Only at the last meeting did he suggest that there was a problem 910 00:58:18,090 --> 00:58:20,388 and that the government ought to look into it. 911 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,357 INTERVIEWER: When? When was that? What year? 912 00:58:22,528 --> 00:58:25,656 It's 2009, March 11 th, in D.C. 913 00:58:25,832 --> 00:58:27,629 This year? This year we met, yes. 914 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,325 And so for the two previous years you met him. 915 00:58:30,503 --> 00:58:33,131 Even in 2008? Yes. 916 00:58:33,306 --> 00:58:37,140 One of the six Federal Reserve Board governors serving under Bernanke 917 00:58:37,310 --> 00:58:38,743 was Frederic Mishkin, 918 00:58:38,911 --> 00:58:42,347 who was appointed by President Bush in 2006. 919 00:58:42,515 --> 00:58:46,611 INTERVIEWER: Did you participate in the meetings Robert Gnaizda 920 00:58:46,786 --> 00:58:49,584 and Greenlining had with the Federal Reserve Board? 921 00:58:49,755 --> 00:58:52,622 Yes, I did. I was on the committee that was involved 922 00:58:52,792 --> 00:58:55,352 with the Consumer Community Affairs Committee. 923 00:58:55,528 --> 00:58:59,361 INTERVIEWER: He warned, in an extremely explicit manner, about what was going on. 924 00:58:59,531 --> 00:59:02,830 He came to the Federal Reserve Board with loan documentation 925 00:59:03,001 --> 00:59:05,936 of the kind of loans that were frequently being made. 926 00:59:06,104 --> 00:59:08,902 And he was listened to politely, and nothing was done. 927 00:59:09,074 --> 00:59:14,637 So again, I don't know the details in terms of, um... 928 00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,776 In fact, I just don't... l... 929 00:59:17,949 --> 00:59:21,680 Whatever information he provided, I'm not sure exactly. 930 00:59:22,053 --> 00:59:25,511 To be honest with you, I can't remember this kind of discussion, 931 00:59:25,690 --> 00:59:30,525 but certainly there were issues that were coming up. 932 00:59:30,695 --> 00:59:32,993 The question is, how pervasive are they? 933 00:59:33,164 --> 00:59:34,495 INTERVIEWER: Why didn't you try looking? 934 00:59:34,666 --> 00:59:36,293 I think that people did. 935 00:59:36,468 --> 00:59:38,026 We had people looking at... 936 00:59:38,203 --> 00:59:41,434 INTERVIEWER: Excuse me. You can't be serious. You would have found things. 937 00:59:41,606 --> 00:59:45,975 That's very easy to always say that you can always find it. 938 00:59:46,144 --> 00:59:47,839 NARRATOR: As early as 2004, 939 00:59:48,013 --> 00:59:52,313 the FBI was already warning about an epidemic of mortgage fraud. 940 00:59:52,484 --> 00:59:54,748 They reported inflated appraisals, 941 00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,549 doctored loan documentation and other fraudulent activity. 942 00:59:59,691 --> 01:00:03,923 In 2005, the IMF's chief economist, Raghuram Rajan, 943 01:00:04,095 --> 01:00:07,724 warned that dangerous incentives could lead to a crisis. 944 01:00:08,266 --> 01:00:11,827 Then came Nouriel Roubini's warnings in 2006, 945 01:00:12,003 --> 01:00:14,494 Allan Sloan's articles in Fortune magazine 946 01:00:14,673 --> 01:00:16,732 and The Washington Post in 2007, 947 01:00:17,275 --> 01:00:19,709 and repeated warnings from the IMF. 948 01:00:19,878 --> 01:00:22,073 I said, and on behalf of the institution, 949 01:00:22,247 --> 01:00:25,648 the crisis in front of us is a huge crisis. 950 01:00:25,817 --> 01:00:26,875 INTERVIEWER: Who did you talk to? 951 01:00:27,052 --> 01:00:29,213 The government, Treasury, Fed, everybody. 952 01:00:29,387 --> 01:00:35,222 In May of 2007, hedge fund manager Bill Ackman circulated a presentation, 953 01:00:35,392 --> 01:00:37,019 "Who is Holding the Bag?" 954 01:00:37,194 --> 01:00:40,027 Which described how the bubble would unravel. 955 01:00:40,564 --> 01:00:43,829 And in early 2008, Charles Morris published his book 956 01:00:44,001 --> 01:00:46,299 about the impending crisis. 957 01:00:48,405 --> 01:00:50,635 You're not sure. What do you do? 958 01:00:50,808 --> 01:00:54,972 You might have some suspicions that underwriting standards are weakened. 959 01:00:55,145 --> 01:00:58,603 But then the question is, should you do anything about it? 960 01:01:00,050 --> 01:01:03,713 By 2008, home foreclosures were skyrocketing 961 01:01:03,887 --> 01:01:07,050 and the securitization food chain imploded. 962 01:01:07,224 --> 01:01:10,660 Lenders could no longer sell their loans to the investment banks. 963 01:01:10,828 --> 01:01:15,060 And as the loans went bad, dozens of lenders failed. 964 01:01:15,699 --> 01:01:20,432 Chuck Prince of Citibank famously said 965 01:01:21,605 --> 01:01:24,506 that we have to dance until the music stops. 966 01:01:24,675 --> 01:01:27,974 Actually, the music had stopped already when he said that. 967 01:01:28,145 --> 01:01:30,613 The market for CDOs collapsed, 968 01:01:30,781 --> 01:01:34,114 leaving investment banks holding hundreds of billions of dollars 969 01:01:34,284 --> 01:01:38,482 in loans, CDOs, and real estate they couldn't sell. 970 01:01:38,655 --> 01:01:42,216 When the crisis started, both the Bush administration 971 01:01:42,393 --> 01:01:46,762 and the Federal Reserve were totally behind the curve. 972 01:01:46,930 --> 01:01:49,262 They did not understand the extent of it. 973 01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:53,493 INTERVIEWER: At what point do you remember thinking for the first time: 974 01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:56,002 "This is dangerous, this is bad"? 975 01:01:56,173 --> 01:02:00,337 I remember very well one... I think it was a G 7 meeting 976 01:02:00,511 --> 01:02:02,502 of February, 2008. 977 01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:06,580 And I remember discussing the issue with Hank Paulson. 978 01:02:06,749 --> 01:02:09,809 And I clearly remember telling Hank: 979 01:02:09,986 --> 01:02:12,978 "We are watching this Tsunami coming," 980 01:02:13,156 --> 01:02:16,887 and you're just proposing that we ask 981 01:02:17,060 --> 01:02:19,654 "which swimming costume we're going to put on." 982 01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:22,161 INTERVIEWER: What was his response? What was his feeling? 983 01:02:22,331 --> 01:02:23,730 "Things are under control." 984 01:02:23,900 --> 01:02:27,859 Yes, we are looking at this situation carefully, 985 01:02:28,037 --> 01:02:31,473 "and, yeah, it's under control." 986 01:02:32,175 --> 01:02:36,703 We're gonna keep growing. Okay? And, obviously, I'll say it: 987 01:02:36,879 --> 01:02:39,473 If you're growing, you're not in recession, right? 988 01:02:39,649 --> 01:02:41,640 I mean, we all know that. 989 01:02:46,856 --> 01:02:48,881 WOMAN: One of the pillars of Wall Street... 990 01:02:49,058 --> 01:02:53,324 NARRATOR: In March 2008, the investment bank Bear Stearns ran out of cash 991 01:02:53,963 --> 01:02:57,694 and was acquired for $2 a share by JPMorgan Chase. 992 01:02:57,867 --> 01:03:01,530 The deal was backed by $30 billion in emergency guarantees 993 01:03:01,704 --> 01:03:03,171 from the Federal Reserve. 994 01:03:04,707 --> 01:03:07,642 That was when the administration could have come in 995 01:03:07,810 --> 01:03:13,407 and put in place various measures to reduce system risk. 996 01:03:13,583 --> 01:03:18,452 The information I'm receiving is the end is not here, 997 01:03:18,621 --> 01:03:20,816 that there are other shoes to fall. 998 01:03:20,990 --> 01:03:23,515 Well, I've seen those investment banks, 999 01:03:23,693 --> 01:03:27,288 working with the Fed and the SEC, 1000 01:03:27,463 --> 01:03:33,527 strengthen their liquidity, strengthen their capital positions. 1001 01:03:33,703 --> 01:03:37,764 I get reports all the time. Our regulators are very vigilant. 1002 01:03:38,441 --> 01:03:40,340 On September 7 th, 2008, 1003 01:03:40,509 --> 01:03:43,103 Henry Paulson announced the federal takeover 1004 01:03:43,278 --> 01:03:47,840 of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, giant lenders on the brink of collapse. 1005 01:03:48,016 --> 01:03:52,248 Nothing about our actions today reflects a changed view 1006 01:03:52,420 --> 01:03:54,047 of the housing correction 1007 01:03:54,222 --> 01:03:57,248 or the strength of other U.S. Financial institutions. 1008 01:03:57,492 --> 01:03:58,516 Two days later, 1009 01:03:58,693 --> 01:04:02,356 Lehman Brothers announced record losses of $3.2 billion, 1010 01:04:02,531 --> 01:04:04,829 and it's stock collapsed. 1011 01:04:05,634 --> 01:04:10,071 INTERVIEWER: The effects of Lehman and AIG in September still came as a surprise. 1012 01:04:10,238 --> 01:04:13,674 I mean, this is even after July and Fannie and Freddie. 1013 01:04:13,842 --> 01:04:18,711 So clearly there was stuff that, as of September, 1014 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,782 major stuff, that nobody knew about. 1015 01:04:22,951 --> 01:04:25,146 I think that's... I think that's fair. 1016 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,191 INTERVIEWER: Bear Stearns was rated triple-A 1017 01:04:27,204 --> 01:04:29,086 like a month before it went bankrupt? 1018 01:04:29,257 --> 01:04:31,919 More likely A2. A2? 1019 01:04:32,093 --> 01:04:33,185 Yeah. Okay. 1020 01:04:33,361 --> 01:04:35,124 A2 is still not bankrupt. 1021 01:04:35,297 --> 01:04:38,789 No, that's a high investment grade. Solid investment grade rating. 1022 01:04:38,967 --> 01:04:42,027 Lehman Brothers, A2 within days of failing. 1023 01:04:42,204 --> 01:04:47,005 AIG, double-A within days of being bailed out. 1024 01:04:47,876 --> 01:04:51,812 Fannie Mae and Freddie Macwere triple-A when they were rescued. 1025 01:04:51,980 --> 01:04:55,916 Citigroup, Merrill, all of them had investment-grade ratings. 1026 01:04:56,084 --> 01:04:58,644 How can that be? Well, that's a good question. 1027 01:04:58,820 --> 01:05:00,549 (LAUGHING) 1028 01:05:00,722 --> 01:05:01,984 That's a great question. 1029 01:05:02,157 --> 01:05:03,488 INTERVIEWER: At no point did the administration 1030 01:05:03,658 --> 01:05:07,059 ever go to all the major institutions and say: 1031 01:05:07,229 --> 01:05:10,130 "This is serious. Tell us what your positions are. 1032 01:05:10,298 --> 01:05:14,165 You know, no bullshit. Where are you?" 1033 01:05:14,635 --> 01:05:18,366 Well, first, that's what the regulators... That's their job, right? 1034 01:05:18,539 --> 01:05:22,635 Their job is to understand the exposure across these institutions. 1035 01:05:22,810 --> 01:05:25,711 And they have a very refined understanding 1036 01:05:25,879 --> 01:05:30,282 that I think became more respon... More refined as the crisis proceeded. So... 1037 01:05:30,451 --> 01:05:33,113 INTERVIEWER: Forgive me, but that's clearly not true. 1038 01:05:33,287 --> 01:05:35,152 What do you mean, that's not true? 1039 01:05:35,322 --> 01:05:36,755 INTERVIEWER: In August of 2008, 1040 01:05:36,924 --> 01:05:42,419 were you aware of the credit ratings held by Lehman Brothers, 1041 01:05:42,596 --> 01:05:44,291 Merrill Lynch, AIG, 1042 01:05:44,465 --> 01:05:46,933 and did you think that they were accurate? 1043 01:05:47,101 --> 01:05:50,093 Well, certainly by that time, 1044 01:05:50,271 --> 01:05:53,172 it was clear earlier credit ratings weren't accurate. 1045 01:05:53,340 --> 01:05:56,002 They had been downgraded. INTERVIEWER: No, they hadn't. 1046 01:05:56,176 --> 01:06:00,272 There was downgrading in terms of the industry and concerns of the... 1047 01:06:00,447 --> 01:06:02,813 All those firms were rated at least A2 1048 01:06:02,983 --> 01:06:05,747 until a couple of days before they were rescued. 1049 01:06:05,919 --> 01:06:10,515 The answer is I don't know enough to answer your question on this issue. 1050 01:06:10,691 --> 01:06:14,058 Governor Fred Mishkin is resigning, effective August 31. 1051 01:06:14,228 --> 01:06:18,164 He plans to return to Columbia's Graduate School of Business. 1052 01:06:18,332 --> 01:06:21,358 INTERVIEWER: Why did you leave the Federal Reserve in August of 2008 1053 01:06:21,535 --> 01:06:24,299 in the middle of the worst financial crisis? 1054 01:06:24,471 --> 01:06:28,601 So that... I had to revise a textbook. 1055 01:06:28,776 --> 01:06:32,542 His departure leaves the board with three of it's seven seats vacant 1056 01:06:32,713 --> 01:06:34,874 just when the economy needs it most. 1057 01:06:35,049 --> 01:06:36,971 INTERVIEWER: I'm sure your textbook is 1058 01:06:36,984 --> 01:06:38,917 important and widely read, but in August 2008, 1059 01:06:39,086 --> 01:06:43,182 some more important things were going on in the world, don't you think? 1060 01:06:43,724 --> 01:06:45,692 NARRATOR: By Friday, September 12th, 1061 01:06:45,859 --> 01:06:47,986 Lehman Brothers had run out of cash 1062 01:06:48,162 --> 01:06:51,858 and the entire investment-banking industry was sinking fast. 1063 01:06:52,031 --> 01:06:55,694 The stability of the global financial system was in jeopardy. 1064 01:06:56,903 --> 01:06:59,701 That weekend, Henry Paulson and Timothy Geithner 1065 01:06:59,872 --> 01:07:02,306 president of the New York Federal Reserve, 1066 01:07:02,475 --> 01:07:05,933 called an emergency meeting with the CEOs of the major banks 1067 01:07:06,112 --> 01:07:07,636 in an effort to rescue Lehman. 1068 01:07:08,448 --> 01:07:09,972 But Lehman wasn't alone. 1069 01:07:10,383 --> 01:07:15,184 Merrill Lynch was also on the brink of failure. 1070 01:07:15,355 --> 01:07:19,155 And that Sunday, it was acquired by Bank of America. 1071 01:07:19,325 --> 01:07:24,388 The only bank interested in buying Lehman was the British firm Barclays. 1072 01:07:24,564 --> 01:07:28,432 But British regulators demanded a financial guarantee from the U.S. 1073 01:07:28,968 --> 01:07:30,993 Paulson refused. 1074 01:07:35,541 --> 01:07:40,808 We got in a cab and went to the Federal Reserve Bank. 1075 01:07:42,548 --> 01:07:45,847 They wanted the bankruptcy case commenced before midnight 1076 01:07:46,018 --> 01:07:48,009 of September 14. 1077 01:07:48,187 --> 01:07:54,456 We kept pressing that this would be a terrible event, 1078 01:07:54,627 --> 01:07:57,221 and at some point I used the word Armageddon, 1079 01:07:57,397 --> 01:08:02,027 and they consider the consequences of what they were proposing. 1080 01:08:02,201 --> 01:08:04,726 The effect on the market would be extraordinary. 1081 01:08:04,904 --> 01:08:06,701 INTERVIEWER: You said this? Yes. 1082 01:08:06,873 --> 01:08:11,970 They just said they had considered all of the comments we had made, 1083 01:08:12,145 --> 01:08:17,583 and they were still of the belief that in order to calm the markets 1084 01:08:17,750 --> 01:08:21,481 and move forward, it was necessary for Lehman to go into bankruptcy. 1085 01:08:21,654 --> 01:08:23,094 INTERVIEWER: "Calm the markets"? Yes. 1086 01:08:23,422 --> 01:08:27,791 INTERVIEWER: When were you first told that Lehman, in fact, was going to go bankrupt? 1087 01:08:28,593 --> 01:08:31,687 After the fact. After the fact? 1088 01:08:32,798 --> 01:08:36,063 Wow. Okay. Um... 1089 01:08:36,234 --> 01:08:41,262 And what was your reaction when you learned of it? 1090 01:08:41,873 --> 01:08:43,650 "Holy cow." 1091 01:08:43,675 --> 01:08:47,008 NARRATOR: Paulson and Bernanke had not consulted with other governments 1092 01:08:47,179 --> 01:08:50,148 and didn't know the consequences of foreign bankruptcy laws. 1093 01:08:50,315 --> 01:08:53,284 MAN: - Lehman Brothers London empty their desks. 1094 01:08:53,452 --> 01:08:54,680 NARRATOR: Under British law, 1095 01:08:54,853 --> 01:08:58,186 Lehman's London office had to be closed immediately. 1096 01:08:58,356 --> 01:09:02,554 All transactions came to a halt, and there are thousands of transactions. 1097 01:09:02,727 --> 01:09:06,094 The hedge funds who had had assets with Lehman in London 1098 01:09:06,264 --> 01:09:09,062 discovered overnight, to their complete horror, 1099 01:09:09,234 --> 01:09:11,327 they couldn't get those assets back. 1100 01:09:11,503 --> 01:09:14,267 One of the points of the hub failed. 1101 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,567 And that had huge knock-on effects around the system. 1102 01:09:17,742 --> 01:09:19,733 The oldest money market fund in the nation 1103 01:09:19,911 --> 01:09:24,041 wrote off three-quarters of a billion dollars in bad debt 1104 01:09:24,216 --> 01:09:26,207 issued by now-bankrupt Lehman Brothers. 1105 01:09:26,384 --> 01:09:29,979 NARRATOR: Lehman's failure caused a collapse in the commercial paper market, 1106 01:09:30,155 --> 01:09:33,454 which many companies depend on to pay for expenses 1107 01:09:33,625 --> 01:09:34,956 such as payroll. 1108 01:09:35,126 --> 01:09:38,095 That means they have to lay off employees, they can't buy parts. 1109 01:09:38,263 --> 01:09:40,060 It stops business in it's tracks. 1110 01:09:40,232 --> 01:09:43,099 People stood and said, "Listen, what can we believe in? 1111 01:09:43,268 --> 01:09:45,236 There's nothing we can trust anymore." 1112 01:09:45,403 --> 01:09:48,964 That same week, AIG owed $ 13 billion 1113 01:09:49,140 --> 01:09:53,008 to holders of credit default swaps, and it didn't have the money. 1114 01:09:53,178 --> 01:09:55,146 SHENG: AIG was another hub. 1115 01:09:55,313 --> 01:09:59,408 If AIG had stopped, you know, all planes may have to stop flying. 1116 01:09:59,583 --> 01:10:02,984 On September 17 th, AIG is taken over by the government. 1117 01:10:03,654 --> 01:10:07,090 One day later, Paulson and Bernanke ask Congress 1118 01:10:07,258 --> 01:10:09,692 for $700 billion to bail out the banks. 1119 01:10:09,860 --> 01:10:11,191 We're coming together. 1120 01:10:11,362 --> 01:10:15,765 NARRATOR: They warned that the alternative would be a catastrophic collapse. 1121 01:10:15,933 --> 01:10:18,595 It was scary. You know, the entire system froze up. 1122 01:10:18,769 --> 01:10:22,535 Every part of the financial system, every part of the credit system. 1123 01:10:22,706 --> 01:10:24,435 Nobody could borrow money. 1124 01:10:24,608 --> 01:10:27,771 It was like a cardiac arrest of the global financial system. 1125 01:10:27,945 --> 01:10:29,879 I'm playing the hand dealt me. 1126 01:10:30,047 --> 01:10:32,481 A lot of what I'm dealing with... 1127 01:10:32,650 --> 01:10:37,087 I'm dealing with the consequences of things that were done years ago. 1128 01:10:37,254 --> 01:10:39,265 MCCORMICK: Secretary Paulson spoke through the fall. 1129 01:10:39,290 --> 01:10:42,316 All the potential root causes of this, and there are plenty, 1130 01:10:42,493 --> 01:10:44,552 he called them. I'm not sure... 1131 01:10:44,728 --> 01:10:46,127 INTERVIEWER: You're not being serious about that. 1132 01:10:46,297 --> 01:10:48,993 I am being serious. What would you have expected? 1133 01:10:49,166 --> 01:10:51,566 What were you looking for that you didn't see? 1134 01:10:51,735 --> 01:10:54,533 INTERVIEWER: He was the senior advocate 1135 01:10:54,705 --> 01:10:59,074 for prohibiting the regulation of credit default swaps 1136 01:10:59,243 --> 01:11:02,838 and also lifting the leverage limits on the investment banks. 1137 01:11:03,013 --> 01:11:04,037 So again, what...? 1138 01:11:04,214 --> 01:11:07,672 He mentioned those things? I never heard him mention those things. 1139 01:11:07,851 --> 01:11:10,547 Could we turn this off for a second? 1140 01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:16,986 NARRATOR: When AIG was bailed out, 1141 01:11:17,161 --> 01:11:19,129 the owners of it's credit default swaps, 1142 01:11:19,296 --> 01:11:21,958 the most prominent of which was Goldman Sachs, 1143 01:11:22,132 --> 01:11:25,693 were paid $61 billion the next day. 1144 01:11:25,869 --> 01:11:27,996 Paulson, Bernanke and Tim Geithner 1145 01:11:28,172 --> 01:11:31,368 forced AIG to pay 100 cents on the dollar 1146 01:11:31,541 --> 01:11:34,305 rather than negotiate lower prices. 1147 01:11:34,477 --> 01:11:40,643 Eventually, the AIG bailout cost taxpayers over $ 150 billion. 1148 01:11:40,817 --> 01:11:44,218 A hundred and sixty billion dollars went through AIG. 1149 01:11:44,387 --> 01:11:47,185 Fourteen billion went to Goldman Sachs. 1150 01:11:47,357 --> 01:11:50,554 At the same time, Paulson and Geithner forced AIG 1151 01:11:50,727 --> 01:11:54,629 to surrender it's right to sue Goldman and the other banks for fraud. 1152 01:11:54,797 --> 01:11:57,334 INTERVIEWER: Isn't there a problem when the 1153 01:11:57,347 --> 01:11:59,894 person in charge of dealing with this crisis 1154 01:12:00,069 --> 01:12:02,230 is the former CEO of Goldman Sachs? 1155 01:12:02,405 --> 01:12:05,966 Someone who had a major role in causing it. 1156 01:12:06,142 --> 01:12:08,872 It's fair to say that the financial markets today 1157 01:12:09,045 --> 01:12:10,842 are incredibly complicated. 1158 01:12:11,014 --> 01:12:12,743 - And supply urgently needed money. 1159 01:12:12,915 --> 01:12:15,145 On October 4th, 2008, 1160 01:12:15,318 --> 01:12:19,345 President Bush signs a 700-billion-dollar bailout bill. 1161 01:12:19,522 --> 01:12:21,854 But world stock markets continue to fall 1162 01:12:22,025 --> 01:12:24,892 amid fears that a global recession is now underway. 1163 01:12:30,199 --> 01:12:33,498 The bailout legislation does nothing to stem the tide of layoffs 1164 01:12:33,670 --> 01:12:35,467 and foreclosures. 1165 01:12:35,638 --> 01:12:40,735 Unemployment in the United States and Europe rises to 10 percent. 1166 01:12:40,910 --> 01:12:44,243 The recession accelerates and spreads globally. 1167 01:12:48,051 --> 01:12:52,317 I began to get really scared because I hadn't foreseen 1168 01:12:52,488 --> 01:12:57,050 the whole world going down at the same rate at the same time. 1169 01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,591 By December of 2008, 1170 01:12:59,762 --> 01:13:03,254 General Motors and Chrysler are facing bankruptcy. 1171 01:13:03,599 --> 01:13:06,328 And as U.S. Consumers cut back on spending, 1172 01:13:06,501 --> 01:13:10,028 Chinese manufacturers see sales plummet. 1173 01:13:11,106 --> 01:13:15,566 Over 10 million migrant workers in China lose their jobs. 1174 01:13:16,044 --> 01:13:20,606 At the end of the day, the poorest, as always, pay the most. 1175 01:13:26,088 --> 01:13:28,079 WOMAN: Here, you can earn a lot of money. 1176 01:13:28,256 --> 01:13:34,217 Like 70, 80 U.S. Dollars per month. 1177 01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:40,299 As a farmer in the countryside, you cannot earn as much money. 1178 01:13:40,469 --> 01:13:44,530 The workers, they just wire their salary to their hometown 1179 01:13:44,706 --> 01:13:47,436 to give to their families. 1180 01:13:47,843 --> 01:13:50,710 The crisis started in America. 1181 01:13:50,879 --> 01:13:54,610 We all know it will be coming to China. 1182 01:13:59,054 --> 01:14:02,114 Some of the factories try to cut off some workers. 1183 01:14:03,625 --> 01:14:06,890 And some people will get poor because they'll lose their jobs. 1184 01:14:07,062 --> 01:14:08,086 (SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) 1185 01:14:08,263 --> 01:14:09,696 Life gets harder. 1186 01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,800 MAN: We were growing at about 20 percent. 1187 01:14:21,576 --> 01:14:23,976 It was a super year. 1188 01:14:24,146 --> 01:14:28,048 Then we suddenly went to minus-nine this quarter. 1189 01:14:28,216 --> 01:14:32,949 Exports collapsed, and we're talking like 30 percent. 1190 01:14:33,755 --> 01:14:37,384 So we just took a hit, you know. Fell off a cliff. Boomp. 1191 01:14:37,559 --> 01:14:41,654 Even as the crisis unfolded, we didn't know how wide it was going to spread 1192 01:14:41,829 --> 01:14:43,694 or how severe it was going to be. 1193 01:14:43,864 --> 01:14:46,458 We were still hoping that there would be some way 1194 01:14:46,634 --> 01:14:51,628 for us to have a shelter and be less battered by the storm. 1195 01:14:51,806 --> 01:14:53,000 But it's not possible. 1196 01:14:53,474 --> 01:14:55,203 It's a very globalized world. 1197 01:14:55,376 --> 01:14:58,174 The economies are all linked together. 1198 01:15:29,777 --> 01:15:32,211 Every time a home goes into foreclosure, 1199 01:15:32,379 --> 01:15:34,711 it affects everyone who lives around that house. 1200 01:15:34,882 --> 01:15:38,045 When that house goes on the market, it'll be sold at a lower price. 1201 01:15:38,219 --> 01:15:41,552 Maybe before it goes on the market, it won't be well-maintained. 1202 01:15:41,722 --> 01:15:45,055 We estimate another 9 million homeowners will lose their homes. 1203 01:15:51,665 --> 01:15:56,693 (IN SPANISH) We went out on a weekend to see what houses were for sale. 1204 01:15:56,871 --> 01:15:58,429 We saw one we liked. 1205 01:15:58,606 --> 01:16:01,837 The payment was going to be $3200. 1206 01:16:13,420 --> 01:16:16,081 Everything was beautiful, the house was very pretty. 1207 01:16:16,256 --> 01:16:18,315 The payment low. Everything was... 1208 01:16:18,491 --> 01:16:20,186 We won the lottery. 1209 01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,261 But the reality was when the first payment arrived. 1210 01:16:28,034 --> 01:16:32,733 I felt very bad for my husband 1211 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:40,143 because he works too much. And we have three children. 1212 01:16:49,656 --> 01:16:53,490 The majority I've seen are people hurt by the economy. 1213 01:16:53,660 --> 01:16:56,652 They were living day to day, paycheck to paycheck, 1214 01:16:56,829 --> 01:16:58,057 and that ran out. 1215 01:16:58,231 --> 01:17:01,564 Unemployment won't pay a mortgage. It won't pay a car bill. 1216 01:17:02,168 --> 01:17:03,897 STEPHEN: I was a log truck driver. 1217 01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:08,905 They shut down the logging systems, shut down the sawmills. 1218 01:17:09,075 --> 01:17:11,543 So I moved down here on a construction job. 1219 01:17:11,711 --> 01:17:14,578 And the construction jobs got shut down too, so... 1220 01:17:14,747 --> 01:17:17,272 Things are so tough. There's a lot of people out there. 1221 01:17:17,450 --> 01:17:19,850 Soon you're gonna be seeing more camps like this 1222 01:17:20,019 --> 01:17:22,180 because there's just no jobs right now. 1223 01:17:28,494 --> 01:17:33,090 When the company did well, we did well. 1224 01:17:33,266 --> 01:17:37,066 When the company did not do well, sir, we did not do well. 1225 01:17:37,470 --> 01:17:39,495 NARRATOR: The men who destroyed their own companies 1226 01:17:39,672 --> 01:17:41,435 and plunged the world into crisis 1227 01:17:41,607 --> 01:17:44,940 walked away from the wreckage with their fortunes intact. 1228 01:17:45,111 --> 01:17:48,705 The top five executives at Lehman Brothers made over a billion dollars 1229 01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,610 between 2000 and 2007. 1230 01:17:51,783 --> 01:17:55,583 And when the firm went bankrupt, they got to keep all the money. 1231 01:17:55,754 --> 01:17:57,346 The system worked. 1232 01:17:57,522 --> 01:18:00,457 It doesn't make sense to make a failing loan because we lose. 1233 01:18:00,625 --> 01:18:04,527 The borrower loses, the community loses and we lose. 1234 01:18:04,696 --> 01:18:07,028 Countrywide's CEO, Angelo Mozilo, 1235 01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:11,568 made $470 million between 2003 and 2008. 1236 01:18:11,937 --> 01:18:15,566 One hundred forty million came from dumping his Countrywide stock 1237 01:18:15,741 --> 01:18:18,471 in the 12 months before the company collapsed. 1238 01:18:18,643 --> 01:18:21,305 I hold the board accountable when a business fails. 1239 01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:24,176 They're responsible for hiring and firing the CEO 1240 01:18:24,349 --> 01:18:26,510 and overseeing big strategic decisions. 1241 01:18:26,685 --> 01:18:29,677 The problem with boards in America is the way boards are elected. 1242 01:18:29,855 --> 01:18:33,382 You know, the boards are pretty much, in many cases, picked by the CEO. 1243 01:18:33,558 --> 01:18:36,049 The board of directors and compensation committees 1244 01:18:36,228 --> 01:18:41,325 are the two bodies best situated to determine pay for executives. 1245 01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:44,111 INTERVIEWER: How do you think they've done over the past 10 years? 1246 01:18:44,136 --> 01:18:49,506 Well, I think that if you look at those... I would give about a B, because... 1247 01:18:49,674 --> 01:18:50,698 A B? A B, yes. 1248 01:18:50,876 --> 01:18:52,605 Not an F? Not an F, not an F. 1249 01:18:52,911 --> 01:18:55,607 NARRATOR: Stan O'neal, the CEO of Merrill Lynch, 1250 01:18:55,781 --> 01:19:00,218 received $90 million in 2006 and 2007 alone. 1251 01:19:00,385 --> 01:19:02,546 After driving his firm into the ground, 1252 01:19:02,721 --> 01:19:05,315 the board of directors allowed him to resign, 1253 01:19:05,490 --> 01:19:09,449 and he collected $ 161 million in severance. 1254 01:19:09,795 --> 01:19:13,822 INTERVIEWER: Instead of being fired, Stan O'neal is allowed to resign 1255 01:19:13,999 --> 01:19:17,196 and takes away $ 151 million. 1256 01:19:17,369 --> 01:19:19,837 That's a decision that that board of directors made. 1257 01:19:20,005 --> 01:19:21,836 What grade do you give that decision? 1258 01:19:22,007 --> 01:19:24,873 That's a tougher one. I don't know if I'd give it a B as well. 1259 01:19:25,409 --> 01:19:31,473 O'neal's successor, John Thain, was paid $87 million in 2007. 1260 01:19:31,649 --> 01:19:33,241 And in December of 2008, 1261 01:19:33,417 --> 01:19:37,114 two months after Merrill was bailed out by U.S. Taxpayers, 1262 01:19:37,288 --> 01:19:41,520 Thain and Merrill's board handed out billions in bonuses. 1263 01:19:42,259 --> 01:19:46,252 In March of 2008, AIG's Financial Products division 1264 01:19:46,430 --> 01:19:48,728 lost $ 11 billion. 1265 01:19:48,899 --> 01:19:53,199 Instead of being fired, Joseph Cassano, head of AIGFP, 1266 01:19:53,571 --> 01:19:57,473 was kept on as a consultant for a million dollars a month. 1267 01:19:57,641 --> 01:20:03,136 You wanna make sure key players and key employees within AIGFP, 1268 01:20:03,314 --> 01:20:05,475 we retain that intellectual knowledge. 1269 01:20:05,649 --> 01:20:07,617 I attended a very interesting dinner 1270 01:20:07,785 --> 01:20:11,448 organized by Hank Paulson a little more than one year ago 1271 01:20:11,622 --> 01:20:14,250 with some officials and a couple of CEOs 1272 01:20:14,425 --> 01:20:16,689 from the biggest banks in the U.S. 1273 01:20:16,861 --> 01:20:21,161 And surprisingly enough, all these gentlemen were arguing: 1274 01:20:21,332 --> 01:20:25,632 "We were too greedy, so we have part of the responsibility." Fine. 1275 01:20:25,803 --> 01:20:27,430 Then they were turning to the treasurer, 1276 01:20:27,605 --> 01:20:29,300 Secretary of the Treasury, and saying: 1277 01:20:29,473 --> 01:20:32,636 "You should regulate more. We're too greedy, we can't avoid it. 1278 01:20:32,810 --> 01:20:35,779 The only way to avoid this is to have more regulation." 1279 01:20:35,946 --> 01:20:38,847 INTERVIEWER: I have spoken to many bankers about this question, 1280 01:20:39,016 --> 01:20:40,950 including very senior ones. 1281 01:20:41,118 --> 01:20:45,919 And this is the first time that I've ever heard anybody say 1282 01:20:46,090 --> 01:20:49,116 they wanted their compensation to be regulated in any way. 1283 01:20:49,293 --> 01:20:52,490 Yeah, because it was at the moment where they were afraid. 1284 01:20:52,663 --> 01:20:56,962 And after, when solution to the crisis began to appear, 1285 01:20:57,133 --> 01:20:59,397 then probably they changed their mind. 1286 01:21:01,804 --> 01:21:05,638 NARRATOR: In the U.S., the banks are now bigger, more powerful 1287 01:21:05,808 --> 01:21:08,868 and more concentrated than ever before. 1288 01:21:09,045 --> 01:21:10,910 There are fewer competitors. 1289 01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:15,039 A lot of smaller banks have been taken over by big ones. 1290 01:21:15,218 --> 01:21:17,652 J.P. Morgan is even bigger than it was before. 1291 01:21:17,820 --> 01:21:21,779 J.P. Morgan took over first Bear Stearns and then WaMu. 1292 01:21:21,958 --> 01:21:25,792 Bank of America took over Countrywide and Merrill Lynch. 1293 01:21:25,962 --> 01:21:28,453 Wells Fargo took over Wachovia. 1294 01:21:28,631 --> 01:21:30,929 After the crisis, the financial industry, 1295 01:21:31,100 --> 01:21:33,898 including the Financial Services Roundtable, 1296 01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:36,595 worked harder than ever to fight reform. 1297 01:21:36,773 --> 01:21:39,435 The financial sector employs 3000 lobbyists, 1298 01:21:39,976 --> 01:21:43,412 more than five for each member of Congress. 1299 01:21:43,913 --> 01:21:46,057 INTERVIEWER: You think the financial services industry 1300 01:21:46,082 --> 01:21:48,744 has excessive political influence in the United States? 1301 01:21:48,918 --> 01:21:53,355 No. I think that every person in the country 1302 01:21:53,523 --> 01:21:55,320 is represented here in Washington. 1303 01:21:55,491 --> 01:21:59,222 INTERVIEWER: And you think that all segments of American society 1304 01:21:59,395 --> 01:22:02,728 have equal and fair access to the system? 1305 01:22:02,899 --> 01:22:07,768 That you can walk into any hearing room that you would like. Yes, I do. 1306 01:22:08,037 --> 01:22:11,234 INTERVIEWER: One can walk into any hearing room. One cannot necessarily 1307 01:22:11,407 --> 01:22:14,240 write the lobbying checks that your industry writes 1308 01:22:14,410 --> 01:22:18,314 or engage in the level of political contributions your industry engages in. 1309 01:22:18,514 --> 01:22:21,381 NARRATOR: Between 1998 and 2008, 1310 01:22:21,551 --> 01:22:24,486 the financial industry spent over $5 billion 1311 01:22:24,654 --> 01:22:27,145 on lobbying and campaign contributions. 1312 01:22:27,323 --> 01:22:30,190 And since the crisis, they're spending even more money. 1313 01:22:31,927 --> 01:22:34,395 The financial industry also exerts it's influence 1314 01:22:34,563 --> 01:22:38,499 in a more subtle way, one that most Americans don't know about. 1315 01:22:40,102 --> 01:22:43,697 It has corrupted the study of economics itself. 1316 01:22:44,172 --> 01:22:50,202 Deregulation had tremendous financial and intellectual support 1317 01:22:50,379 --> 01:22:54,816 because people argued it for their own benefit. 1318 01:22:54,983 --> 01:22:59,647 The economics profession was the main source of that illusion. 1319 01:22:59,988 --> 01:23:03,048 Since the 1980s, academic economists 1320 01:23:03,225 --> 01:23:05,659 have been major advocates of deregulation 1321 01:23:05,827 --> 01:23:09,228 and played powerful roles in shaping U.S. Government policy. 1322 01:23:09,798 --> 01:23:13,564 Very few of these economic experts warned about the crisis. 1323 01:23:13,735 --> 01:23:18,263 And even after the crisis, many of them opposed reform. 1324 01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:22,408 The guys who taught these things tended to get paid a lot of money 1325 01:23:22,577 --> 01:23:24,670 being consultants. 1326 01:23:24,846 --> 01:23:29,442 Business school professors don't live on a faculty salary. 1327 01:23:30,519 --> 01:23:33,215 They do very, very well. 1328 01:23:33,655 --> 01:23:36,647 INTERVIEWER: Over the last decade, the financial services industries 1329 01:23:36,825 --> 01:23:42,821 made about $5 billion worth of political contributions in the U.S. 1330 01:23:43,899 --> 01:23:46,197 That's kind of a lot of money. 1331 01:23:46,702 --> 01:23:49,364 That doesn't bother you? No. 1332 01:23:49,538 --> 01:23:52,063 NARRATOR: Martin Feldstein is a Professor at Harvard 1333 01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,640 and one of the world's most prominent economists. 1334 01:23:55,010 --> 01:23:57,808 As President Reagan's chief economic advisor, 1335 01:23:57,979 --> 01:24:00,413 he was a major architect of deregulation. 1336 01:24:00,582 --> 01:24:03,608 And from 1988 until 2009, 1337 01:24:03,919 --> 01:24:07,012 he was on the board of directors of both AIG 1338 01:24:07,188 --> 01:24:09,156 and AIG Financial Products, 1339 01:24:09,323 --> 01:24:11,553 which paid him millions of dollars. 1340 01:24:11,826 --> 01:24:14,693 INTERVIEWER: You have any regrets about having been on AIG's board? 1341 01:24:14,862 --> 01:24:18,525 I have no comments. No, I have no regrets about being on AIG's board. 1342 01:24:18,699 --> 01:24:22,135 INTERVIEWER: None? That I can say. Absolutely none. 1343 01:24:22,303 --> 01:24:23,736 Okay. 1344 01:24:26,173 --> 01:24:30,872 You have any regrets about AIG's decisions? 1345 01:24:31,045 --> 01:24:33,809 I cannot say anything more about AIG. 1346 01:24:33,981 --> 01:24:38,042 I've taught at Northwestern in Chicago, Harvard and Columbia. 1347 01:24:38,219 --> 01:24:41,154 NARRATOR: Glenn Hubbard is the Dean of Columbia Business School 1348 01:24:41,322 --> 01:24:44,018 and was chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers 1349 01:24:44,191 --> 01:24:46,182 under George W. Bush. 1350 01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,637 INTERVIEWER: Do you think the financial services industry 1351 01:24:48,662 --> 01:24:52,063 has too much political power in the United States? 1352 01:24:52,533 --> 01:24:56,663 I don't think so. No. You certainly wouldn't get that impression 1353 01:24:56,837 --> 01:25:00,637 by the drubbing that they regularly get in Washington. 1354 01:25:00,808 --> 01:25:03,641 Many prominent academics quietly make fortunes 1355 01:25:03,811 --> 01:25:08,612 helping the financial industry shape public debate and government policy. 1356 01:25:08,783 --> 01:25:12,048 The Analysis Group, Charles River Associates, 1357 01:25:12,219 --> 01:25:13,550 Compass Lexecon 1358 01:25:13,721 --> 01:25:15,985 and the Law and Economics Consulting Group 1359 01:25:16,157 --> 01:25:18,352 manage a multibillion-dollar industry 1360 01:25:18,526 --> 01:25:21,825 that provides academic experts for hire. 1361 01:25:21,996 --> 01:25:23,987 Two bankers who used these services 1362 01:25:24,165 --> 01:25:27,191 were Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin, 1363 01:25:27,368 --> 01:25:31,327 Bear Stearns hedge fund managers prosecuted for securities fraud. 1364 01:25:31,505 --> 01:25:34,633 After hiring the Analysis Group, both were acquitted. 1365 01:25:35,009 --> 01:25:40,241 Glenn Hubbard was paid $ 100,000 to testify in their defense. 1366 01:25:40,914 --> 01:25:43,872 INTERVIEWER: Do you think the economics 1367 01:25:43,885 --> 01:25:46,853 discipline has a conflict-of-interest problem? 1368 01:25:47,787 --> 01:25:49,379 I'm not sure I know what you mean. 1369 01:25:49,556 --> 01:25:53,822 Do you think a significant fraction of the economics discipline, economists, 1370 01:25:53,993 --> 01:25:59,192 have financial conflicts of interest that might call into question or color...? 1371 01:25:59,365 --> 01:26:01,333 I see what you're saying. I doubt it. 1372 01:26:01,501 --> 01:26:06,666 Most academic economists aren't wealthy business people. 1373 01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:11,038 Hubbard makes $250,000 a year as a board member of MetLife 1374 01:26:11,211 --> 01:26:13,611 and was formerly on the board of Capmark, 1375 01:26:13,780 --> 01:26:16,806 a major commercial mortgage lender during the bubble, 1376 01:26:16,983 --> 01:26:19,042 which went bankrupt in 2009. 1377 01:26:19,219 --> 01:26:21,585 He has also advised Nomura Securities, 1378 01:26:21,754 --> 01:26:26,157 KKR Financial Corporation and many other financial firms. 1379 01:26:27,460 --> 01:26:30,588 Laura Tyson, who declined to be interviewed for this film, 1380 01:26:30,763 --> 01:26:34,529 is a Professor at the University of California, Berkeley. 1381 01:26:34,701 --> 01:26:37,932 She was the chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, 1382 01:26:38,104 --> 01:26:41,562 then director of the National Economic Council under Clinton. 1383 01:26:41,741 --> 01:26:45,404 After leaving government, she joined the board of Morgan Stanley, 1384 01:26:45,578 --> 01:26:49,105 which pays her $350,000 a year. 1385 01:26:49,282 --> 01:26:51,773 Ruth Simmons, president of Brown University, 1386 01:26:51,951 --> 01:26:57,014 makes over $300,000 a year on the board of Goldman Sachs. 1387 01:26:57,257 --> 01:27:00,283 Larry Summers, who, as Treasury secretary, played a role 1388 01:27:00,460 --> 01:27:05,796 in the deregulation of derivatives, became president of Harvard in 2001. 1389 01:27:06,132 --> 01:27:09,465 While at Harvard, he made millions consulting to hedge funds 1390 01:27:09,636 --> 01:27:14,004 and millions more in speaking fees, much of it from investment banks. 1391 01:27:16,742 --> 01:27:20,143 According to his federal disclosure report, Summers' net worth 1392 01:27:20,312 --> 01:27:25,340 is between $ 16.5 million and $39.5 million. 1393 01:27:26,118 --> 01:27:28,916 Frederic Mishkin, who returned to Columbia Business School 1394 01:27:29,087 --> 01:27:33,217 after leaving the Federal Reserve, reported on his disclosure report 1395 01:27:33,392 --> 01:27:37,761 that his net worth was between $6 million and $ 17 million. 1396 01:27:38,230 --> 01:27:42,667 INTERVIEWER: In 2006, you coauthored a study of Iceland's financial system. 1397 01:27:42,868 --> 01:27:44,665 "Iceland is an advanced country" 1398 01:27:44,836 --> 01:27:48,033 with excellent institutions, low corruption, rule of law. 1399 01:27:48,206 --> 01:27:51,198 The economy has adjusted to financial liberalization 1400 01:27:51,376 --> 01:27:55,608 "while prudential regulation and supervision is generally quite strong." 1401 01:27:55,781 --> 01:27:58,511 And that was the mistake, that it turns out 1402 01:27:58,684 --> 01:28:02,142 prudential regulation and supervision was not strong in Iceland 1403 01:28:02,321 --> 01:28:05,188 during this period... What led you to think it was? 1404 01:28:05,357 --> 01:28:07,621 You're going with the information you had 1405 01:28:07,793 --> 01:28:13,322 and generally, the view was that Iceland had very good institutions. 1406 01:28:13,498 --> 01:28:15,966 It was an advanced country... Who told you that? 1407 01:28:16,134 --> 01:28:18,568 What research did you do? You talk to people. 1408 01:28:18,737 --> 01:28:23,299 You have faith in the central bank, which actually did fall down on the job. 1409 01:28:23,475 --> 01:28:25,943 That clearly it... This... 1410 01:28:26,111 --> 01:28:29,672 Why have faith in a central bank? Well, that faith... You try... 1411 01:28:29,848 --> 01:28:32,009 Because you go with the information you have. 1412 01:28:32,184 --> 01:28:34,778 How much were you paid to write it? I was paid... 1413 01:28:34,953 --> 01:28:37,353 I think the number... It's public information. 1414 01:28:44,930 --> 01:28:48,023 INTERVIEWER: On your CV, the title of this report has been changed 1415 01:28:48,199 --> 01:28:52,329 from "Financial Stability in Iceland" to "Financial Instability in Iceland." 1416 01:28:52,503 --> 01:28:57,065 Well, I don't know. Whatever it is... If there's a typo, there's a typo. 1417 01:28:57,241 --> 01:28:59,106 What should be publicly available 1418 01:28:59,276 --> 01:29:01,710 is whenever anybody does research on a topic 1419 01:29:01,879 --> 01:29:06,578 that they disclose if they have any financial conflict with that research. 1420 01:29:06,751 --> 01:29:10,744 INTERVIEWER: But if I recall, there is no policy to that effect. 1421 01:29:11,288 --> 01:29:16,749 I can't imagine anybody not doing that in terms of putting it in a paper. You... 1422 01:29:16,927 --> 01:29:20,522 There would be significant professional sanction for failure to do that. 1423 01:29:20,698 --> 01:29:25,328 INTERVIEWER: I didn't see any place in the study where you indicated you'd been paid 1424 01:29:25,503 --> 01:29:28,802 by the Icelandic Chamber of Commerce to produce it. 1425 01:29:28,973 --> 01:29:31,771 No, I don't... You know. Okay. 1426 01:29:32,143 --> 01:29:35,135 NARRATOR: Richard Portes, the most famous economist in Britain 1427 01:29:35,312 --> 01:29:37,439 and a Professor at London Business School, 1428 01:29:37,615 --> 01:29:41,676 was also commissioned by the Icelandic Chamber of Commerce 1429 01:29:41,852 --> 01:29:45,879 to write a report which praised the Icelandic financial sector. 1430 01:29:46,457 --> 01:29:48,322 The banks themselves are highly liquid. 1431 01:29:48,492 --> 01:29:51,290 They've made money on the fall of the Icelandic krona. 1432 01:29:51,462 --> 01:29:52,861 These are strong banks. 1433 01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:56,295 Their market funding is assured for the coming year. 1434 01:29:56,467 --> 01:29:58,435 These are well-run banks. MAN: Thank you. 1435 01:29:58,602 --> 01:30:01,935 Like Mishkin, Portes' report didn't disclose his payment 1436 01:30:02,106 --> 01:30:04,597 from the Icelandic Chamber of Commerce. 1437 01:30:04,775 --> 01:30:07,243 INTERVIEWER: Does Harvard require disclosures 1438 01:30:07,256 --> 01:30:09,735 of financial conflict of interest? 1439 01:30:10,715 --> 01:30:12,148 Not to my knowledge. 1440 01:30:12,316 --> 01:30:15,342 Do you require people to report the compensation 1441 01:30:15,519 --> 01:30:18,044 received from outside activities? No. 1442 01:30:18,222 --> 01:30:19,917 Don't you think that's a problem? 1443 01:30:20,091 --> 01:30:21,353 I don't see why. 1444 01:30:21,525 --> 01:30:24,186 INTERVIEWER: Martin Feldstein being on the board of AIG, 1445 01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,260 Laura Tyson at Morgan Stanley, 1446 01:30:26,429 --> 01:30:31,264 Larry Summers making $ 10 million consulting to financial services firms. 1447 01:30:31,434 --> 01:30:32,492 Irrelevant? 1448 01:30:32,669 --> 01:30:33,966 Hm. Yeah. 1449 01:30:34,137 --> 01:30:35,627 Yeah. Basically irrelevant. 1450 01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:41,274 INTERVIEWER: You've written many articles about a wide array of subjects. 1451 01:30:41,444 --> 01:30:44,208 You never saw fit to investigate the risks 1452 01:30:44,380 --> 01:30:47,713 of unregulated credit default swaps? 1453 01:30:47,984 --> 01:30:49,611 I never did. 1454 01:30:49,786 --> 01:30:53,552 Same question with regard to executive compensation? 1455 01:30:53,723 --> 01:30:55,714 The regulation of corporate governance? 1456 01:30:55,892 --> 01:30:58,224 The effect of political contributions? 1457 01:30:58,394 --> 01:31:02,353 I don't know that I would have anything to add to those discussions. 1458 01:31:02,532 --> 01:31:04,591 INTERVIEWER: I'm looking at your resume now. 1459 01:31:04,768 --> 01:31:09,569 It looks to me as if the majority of your outside activities 1460 01:31:09,739 --> 01:31:12,572 are consulting and directorship arrangements 1461 01:31:12,742 --> 01:31:14,835 with the financial services industry. 1462 01:31:15,011 --> 01:31:17,172 Would you not agree with that characterization? 1463 01:31:17,347 --> 01:31:20,612 To my knowledge, I don't think my consulting clients are on my CV. 1464 01:31:20,784 --> 01:31:23,582 So I wouldn't know. Who are your consulting clients? 1465 01:31:23,753 --> 01:31:25,744 I don't believe I have to discuss that with you. 1466 01:31:25,922 --> 01:31:27,355 Okay. 1467 01:31:27,957 --> 01:31:31,893 In fact, you have a few more minutes and the interview's over. 1468 01:31:32,061 --> 01:31:34,655 INTERVIEWER: Do you consult for any financial services firms? 1469 01:31:34,831 --> 01:31:37,391 The answer is I do. And? 1470 01:31:37,567 --> 01:31:40,730 And... But I do not wanna go into details about that. 1471 01:31:40,904 --> 01:31:43,702 INTERVIEWER: Do they include other financial services firms? 1472 01:31:43,873 --> 01:31:45,033 Possibly. 1473 01:31:45,208 --> 01:31:46,869 You don't remember? 1474 01:31:47,043 --> 01:31:50,274 This isn't a deposition, sir. I was polite enough to give you time. 1475 01:31:50,446 --> 01:31:54,143 Foolishly, I now see. But you have three more minutes. 1476 01:31:54,317 --> 01:31:56,148 Give it your best shot. 1477 01:31:56,319 --> 01:31:58,946 NARRATOR: In 2004, at the height of the bubble, 1478 01:31:59,121 --> 01:32:02,955 Glenn Hubbard coauthored a widely read paper with William C. Dudley, 1479 01:32:03,125 --> 01:32:05,923 the chief economist of Goldman Sachs. 1480 01:32:06,094 --> 01:32:08,654 In the paper, Hubbard praised credit derivatives 1481 01:32:08,831 --> 01:32:10,628 and the securitization chain, 1482 01:32:10,799 --> 01:32:13,393 stating they had improved allocation of capital 1483 01:32:13,569 --> 01:32:16,037 and were enhancing financial stability. 1484 01:32:16,205 --> 01:32:18,730 He cited reduced volatility in the economy 1485 01:32:18,907 --> 01:32:23,537 and stated that recessions had become less frequent and milder. 1486 01:32:23,712 --> 01:32:26,738 Credit derivatives were protecting banks against losses 1487 01:32:26,915 --> 01:32:29,383 and helping to distribute risk. 1488 01:32:31,053 --> 01:32:34,022 INTERVIEWER: A medical researcher writes an article, saying: 1489 01:32:34,189 --> 01:32:38,751 "To treat this disease, you should prescribe this drug." 1490 01:32:39,027 --> 01:32:42,087 Turns out doctor makes 80 percent of personal income 1491 01:32:42,264 --> 01:32:45,427 from manufacture of this drug. Does not bother you? 1492 01:32:45,601 --> 01:32:50,800 I think it's certainly important to disclose the, um... 1493 01:32:50,973 --> 01:32:53,339 The, um... 1494 01:32:55,644 --> 01:32:57,805 Well, I think that's also a little different 1495 01:32:57,980 --> 01:33:02,508 from cases that we're talking about here because, um... 1496 01:33:17,266 --> 01:33:21,498 INTERVIEWER: So, what do you think this says about the economics discipline? 1497 01:33:21,670 --> 01:33:25,629 Well, I mean, it has no relevance to anything, really. 1498 01:33:25,807 --> 01:33:29,709 And, indeed, I think it's a part of the... 1499 01:33:29,878 --> 01:33:33,881 It's an important part of the problem. 1500 01:33:48,496 --> 01:33:51,727 NARRATOR: The rising power of the U.S. Financial sector 1501 01:33:51,899 --> 01:33:54,663 was part of a wider change in America. 1502 01:33:55,036 --> 01:33:59,632 Since the 1980s, the United States has become a more unequal society, 1503 01:34:00,207 --> 01:34:03,608 and it's economic dominance has declined. 1504 01:34:03,911 --> 01:34:08,371 Companies like General Motors, Chrysler and U.S. Steel, 1505 01:34:08,549 --> 01:34:11,109 formerly the core of the U.S. Economy, 1506 01:34:11,285 --> 01:34:15,881 were poorly managed and falling behind their foreign competitors. 1507 01:34:16,691 --> 01:34:19,751 And as countries like China opened their economies, 1508 01:34:19,927 --> 01:34:24,091 American companies sent jobs overseas to save money. 1509 01:34:26,067 --> 01:34:29,400 For many, many years, the 660 million people 1510 01:34:29,570 --> 01:34:31,868 in the developed world were sheltered 1511 01:34:32,039 --> 01:34:35,907 from all of this additional labor that existed on the planet. 1512 01:34:36,077 --> 01:34:38,944 Suddenly the Bamboo Curtain and the Iron Curtain are lifted 1513 01:34:39,113 --> 01:34:42,276 and you have 2.5 billion additional people. 1514 01:34:42,984 --> 01:34:46,977 American factory workers were laid off by the tens of thousands. 1515 01:34:47,154 --> 01:34:49,782 Our manufacturing base was destroyed, literally, 1516 01:34:49,957 --> 01:34:51,254 over a few years. 1517 01:34:51,425 --> 01:34:55,725 As manufacturing declined, other industries rose. 1518 01:34:55,896 --> 01:34:59,127 The United States leads the world in information technology, 1519 01:34:59,300 --> 01:35:02,360 where high-paying jobs are easy to find. 1520 01:35:02,536 --> 01:35:04,697 But those jobs require an education. 1521 01:35:05,006 --> 01:35:09,874 And for average Americans, college is increasingly out of reach. 1522 01:35:10,210 --> 01:35:15,341 While universities like Harvard have billions of dollars in endowments, 1523 01:35:15,515 --> 01:35:19,815 funding for public universities is shrinking and tuition is rising. 1524 01:35:20,787 --> 01:35:23,255 Tuition for California's public universities 1525 01:35:23,423 --> 01:35:29,760 rose from $650 in the 1970s to over $ 10,000 in 2010. 1526 01:35:30,797 --> 01:35:35,063 The most important determinant of whether Americans go to college 1527 01:35:35,235 --> 01:35:38,227 is whether they can find the money to pay for it. 1528 01:35:38,505 --> 01:35:43,465 Meanwhile, American tax policy shifted to favor the wealthy. 1529 01:35:43,643 --> 01:35:48,842 When I first came to office, I thought taxes were too high, and they were. 1530 01:35:49,015 --> 01:35:51,813 The most dramatic change was a series of tax cuts 1531 01:35:51,985 --> 01:35:54,613 designed by Glenn Hubbard, who was serving 1532 01:35:54,788 --> 01:35:58,087 as President Bush's chief economic advisor. 1533 01:35:58,825 --> 01:36:02,454 The Bush administration sharply reduced taxes on investment gains, 1534 01:36:02,629 --> 01:36:05,621 stock dividends, and eliminated the estate tax. 1535 01:36:05,799 --> 01:36:08,927 We had a comprehensive plan that when acted 1536 01:36:09,102 --> 01:36:12,868 has left nearly $ 1.1 trillion in the hands of American workers, 1537 01:36:13,039 --> 01:36:15,633 families, investors and small-business owners. 1538 01:36:15,809 --> 01:36:21,611 Most benefits of these cuts went to the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans. 1539 01:36:22,148 --> 01:36:24,412 And by the way, it was the cornerstone 1540 01:36:24,584 --> 01:36:26,950 in many ways, of our economic recovery policy. 1541 01:36:27,420 --> 01:36:29,945 Inequality of wealth in the United States 1542 01:36:30,123 --> 01:36:33,524 is now higher than in any other developed country. 1543 01:36:34,127 --> 01:36:36,891 American families responded to these changes in two ways: 1544 01:36:38,331 --> 01:36:42,892 By working longer hours and by going into debt. 1545 01:36:43,068 --> 01:36:46,663 As the middle class falls further and further behind, 1546 01:36:46,839 --> 01:36:50,707 there is a political urge to respond 1547 01:36:50,876 --> 01:36:54,209 by making it easier to get credit. 1548 01:36:54,379 --> 01:36:56,870 You don't have to have a lousy home. 1549 01:36:57,049 --> 01:37:02,646 The low-income home buyer can have just as nice a house as anybody else. 1550 01:37:03,188 --> 01:37:07,591 American families borrowed to finance their homes, their cars, 1551 01:37:07,759 --> 01:37:11,525 their healthcare, and their children's educations. 1552 01:37:11,897 --> 01:37:14,559 People in the bottom 90 percent 1553 01:37:15,033 --> 01:37:19,595 lost ground between 1980 and 2007. 1554 01:37:19,771 --> 01:37:24,504 It all went to the top 1 percent. 1555 01:37:26,478 --> 01:37:29,379 For the first time in history, average Americans 1556 01:37:29,548 --> 01:37:34,315 have less education and are less prosperous than their parents. 1557 01:37:36,488 --> 01:37:39,719 The era of greed and irresponsibility 1558 01:37:39,892 --> 01:37:43,191 on Wall Street and in Washington 1559 01:37:43,362 --> 01:37:45,421 has led us to a financial crisis 1560 01:37:45,597 --> 01:37:49,294 as serious as any that we've faced since the Great Depression. 1561 01:37:49,468 --> 01:37:52,733 NARRATOR: When the financial crisis struck before the 2008 election, 1562 01:37:53,172 --> 01:37:55,436 Barack Obama pointed to Wall Street greed 1563 01:37:55,607 --> 01:37:59,907 and regulatory failures as examples of the need for change in America. 1564 01:38:00,078 --> 01:38:02,774 A lack of oversight in Washington and on Wall Street 1565 01:38:02,948 --> 01:38:05,940 is exactly what got us into this mess. 1566 01:38:06,552 --> 01:38:10,852 NARRATOR: After taking office, Obama spoke of the need to reform the industry. 1567 01:38:11,023 --> 01:38:14,321 We want a risk regulator, increased capital requirements. 1568 01:38:14,492 --> 01:38:17,120 We need a consumer financial protection agency. 1569 01:38:17,295 --> 01:38:19,126 We need to change Wall Street's culture. 1570 01:38:19,764 --> 01:38:22,699 But when finally enacted in mid-2010, 1571 01:38:22,867 --> 01:38:25,631 the administration's financial reforms were weak. 1572 01:38:25,803 --> 01:38:29,239 And in some critical areas, including the rating agencies, 1573 01:38:29,407 --> 01:38:31,671 lobbying and compensation, 1574 01:38:31,842 --> 01:38:34,811 nothing significant was even proposed. 1575 01:38:34,979 --> 01:38:38,471 Addressing Obama and, quote, "regulatory reform," 1576 01:38:38,649 --> 01:38:42,847 my response, if it was one word, would be "ha." 1577 01:38:43,654 --> 01:38:46,088 There's very little reform. 1578 01:38:46,257 --> 01:38:47,815 INTERVIEWER: How come? 1579 01:38:48,926 --> 01:38:51,087 It's a Wall Street government. 1580 01:38:53,564 --> 01:38:57,091 NARRATOR: Obama chose Timothy Geithner as Treasury secretary. 1581 01:38:57,268 --> 01:39:00,032 Geithner was president of the New York Federal Reserve 1582 01:39:00,204 --> 01:39:03,071 during the crisis, and a key player in the decision 1583 01:39:03,241 --> 01:39:05,835 to pay Goldman Sachs 100 cents on the dollar 1584 01:39:06,010 --> 01:39:07,910 for it's bets against mortgages. 1585 01:39:08,079 --> 01:39:11,071 When Tim Geithner was testifying 1586 01:39:11,249 --> 01:39:13,479 to be confirmed as Treasury secretary 1587 01:39:13,651 --> 01:39:16,711 he said, "I have never been a regulator." 1588 01:39:16,887 --> 01:39:19,481 That said to me he did not understand his job 1589 01:39:19,657 --> 01:39:21,352 as President of the New York Fed. 1590 01:39:25,696 --> 01:39:28,893 The new President of the New York Fed is William C. Dudley, 1591 01:39:29,066 --> 01:39:31,591 the former chief economist of Goldman Sachs 1592 01:39:31,769 --> 01:39:34,932 whose paper with Glenn Hubbard praised derivatives. 1593 01:39:35,106 --> 01:39:37,506 Geithner's chief of staff is Mark Patterson, 1594 01:39:37,675 --> 01:39:39,734 a former lobbyist for Goldman. 1595 01:39:39,910 --> 01:39:42,435 And one of the senior advisors is Lewis Sachs, 1596 01:39:42,613 --> 01:39:45,741 who oversaw Tricadia, a company heavily involved 1597 01:39:45,916 --> 01:39:49,544 in betting against the mortgage securities it was selling. 1598 01:39:49,886 --> 01:39:52,548 To head the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, 1599 01:39:52,722 --> 01:39:56,488 Obama picked Gary Gensler, a former Goldman Sachs executive 1600 01:39:56,660 --> 01:39:59,595 who had helped ban the regulation of derivatives. 1601 01:39:59,763 --> 01:40:02,061 To run the Securities and Exchange Commission, 1602 01:40:02,232 --> 01:40:06,168 Obama picked Mary Schapiro, the former CEO of FINRA, 1603 01:40:06,336 --> 01:40:09,999 the investment banking industry's self-regulation body. 1604 01:40:10,173 --> 01:40:12,539 Obama's chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, 1605 01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:17,271 made $320,000 serving on the board of Freddie Mac. 1606 01:40:17,514 --> 01:40:20,108 Both Martin Feldstein and Laura Tyson are members 1607 01:40:20,283 --> 01:40:23,878 of Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board. 1608 01:40:24,187 --> 01:40:28,886 And Obama's chief economic advisor is Larry Summers. 1609 01:40:29,426 --> 01:40:31,257 SPITZER: The most senior economic advisors 1610 01:40:31,428 --> 01:40:33,988 are the ones who were there, who built the structure. 1611 01:40:34,264 --> 01:40:36,824 When it was clear that Summers and Geithner 1612 01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:41,437 were going to play major roles as advisors, 1613 01:40:41,604 --> 01:40:44,140 I knew this was going to be status quo. 1614 01:40:44,708 --> 01:40:48,405 NARRATOR: The Obama administration resisted regulation of bank compensation 1615 01:40:48,578 --> 01:40:51,240 even as foreign leaders took action. 1616 01:40:51,414 --> 01:40:53,780 The financial industry is a service industry. 1617 01:40:53,950 --> 01:40:57,317 It should serve others before it serves itself. 1618 01:40:57,787 --> 01:41:00,779 In September of 2009, Christine Lagarde 1619 01:41:00,957 --> 01:41:03,721 and the finance ministers of Sweden, the Netherlands, 1620 01:41:03,893 --> 01:41:07,260 Luxembourg, Italy, Spain and Germany 1621 01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:10,729 called for the G20 nations, including the United States, 1622 01:41:10,900 --> 01:41:14,461 to impose strict regulations on bank compensation. 1623 01:41:14,637 --> 01:41:16,605 And in July of 2010, 1624 01:41:16,773 --> 01:41:20,766 the European Parliament enacted those very regulations. 1625 01:41:21,044 --> 01:41:24,274 The Obama administration had no response. 1626 01:41:24,446 --> 01:41:28,473 Their view is it's a temporary blip and things will go back to normal. 1627 01:41:28,984 --> 01:41:32,078 That is why I am reappointing him 1628 01:41:32,254 --> 01:41:35,246 as chairman of the Federal Reserve. Thank you, Ben. 1629 01:41:35,424 --> 01:41:39,258 In 2009, Barack Obama reappointed Ben Bernanke. 1630 01:41:39,428 --> 01:41:40,622 Thank you, Mr. President. 1631 01:41:42,064 --> 01:41:45,966 As of mid-2010, not a single senior financial executive 1632 01:41:46,135 --> 01:41:49,127 had been criminally prosecuted, or even arrested. 1633 01:41:49,304 --> 01:41:51,864 No special prosecutor had been appointed. 1634 01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:54,838 Not a single firm had been prosecuted criminally 1635 01:41:55,010 --> 01:41:58,002 for securities fraud or accounting fraud. 1636 01:41:58,180 --> 01:42:00,705 The Obama administration has made no attempt 1637 01:42:00,883 --> 01:42:02,680 to recover any compensation 1638 01:42:02,851 --> 01:42:05,877 given to financial executives during the bubble. 1639 01:42:07,055 --> 01:42:10,388 I certainly would think of criminal action 1640 01:42:10,559 --> 01:42:14,222 against some of Countrywide's top leaders, like Mozilo. 1641 01:42:14,396 --> 01:42:17,729 I'd certainly look at Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs 1642 01:42:17,900 --> 01:42:20,164 and Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch. 1643 01:42:20,335 --> 01:42:21,461 INTERVIEWER: For criminal prosecutions? 1644 01:42:21,637 --> 01:42:22,797 Yes. 1645 01:42:22,971 --> 01:42:26,634 INTERVIEWER: In regard to... Yes. They'd be very hard to win, 1646 01:42:26,875 --> 01:42:32,370 but I think they could do it if they got enough underlings to tell the truth. 1647 01:42:32,714 --> 01:42:35,547 In an industry in which drug use, prostitution 1648 01:42:35,717 --> 01:42:38,686 and billing of prostitutes as a business expense 1649 01:42:38,854 --> 01:42:40,685 occur on an industrial scale, 1650 01:42:40,856 --> 01:42:44,792 it wouldn't be hard to make people talk if you really wanted to. 1651 01:42:45,227 --> 01:42:48,492 They gave me a plea bargain and I took it. 1652 01:42:48,664 --> 01:42:50,757 They were not interested in my records. 1653 01:42:50,933 --> 01:42:52,594 They weren't interested in anything. 1654 01:42:52,768 --> 01:42:54,065 INTERVIEWER: Not interested in your records? 1655 01:42:54,236 --> 01:42:55,863 That's correct. Correct. 1656 01:42:56,038 --> 01:43:02,203 There's a sensibility that you don't use people's personal vices 1657 01:43:02,376 --> 01:43:06,278 in the context of Wall Street cases, necessarily, to get them to flip. 1658 01:43:06,447 --> 01:43:11,817 Maybe after the cataclysms that we've been through, people will reevaluate. 1659 01:43:11,986 --> 01:43:15,945 I'm not the one to pass judgment on that right now. 1660 01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:34,640 CAPUANO: You come to us today telling us, "We're sorry, we didn't mean it." 1661 01:43:34,809 --> 01:43:38,006 We won't do it again. Trust us." 1662 01:43:38,179 --> 01:43:41,114 Well, I have some people in my constituency 1663 01:43:41,282 --> 01:43:43,978 that actually robbed some of your banks. 1664 01:43:44,151 --> 01:43:46,085 And they say the same thing. 1665 01:43:46,254 --> 01:43:49,314 They're sorry. They didn't mean it. They won't do it again. 1666 01:43:49,924 --> 01:43:54,793 In 2009, as unemployment hit it's highest level in 17 years, 1667 01:43:54,962 --> 01:43:58,261 Morgan Stanley paid it's employees over $ 14 billion, 1668 01:43:58,432 --> 01:44:01,595 and Goldman Sachs paid out over $ 16 billion. 1669 01:44:01,769 --> 01:44:05,500 In 2010, bonuses were even higher. 1670 01:44:05,673 --> 01:44:09,131 Why should a financial engineer be paid 1671 01:44:09,310 --> 01:44:15,476 four times to 100 times more than a real engineer? 1672 01:44:15,650 --> 01:44:17,811 A real engineer build Bridges. 1673 01:44:17,985 --> 01:44:21,318 A financial engineer build dreams. 1674 01:44:21,489 --> 01:44:25,084 And, you know, when those dreams turn out to be nightmares, 1675 01:44:25,259 --> 01:44:26,988 other people pay for it. 1676 01:44:29,497 --> 01:44:30,589 For decades, 1677 01:44:30,764 --> 01:44:34,427 the American financial system was stable and safe. 1678 01:44:34,834 --> 01:44:36,768 But then something changed. 1679 01:44:36,937 --> 01:44:40,270 The financial industry turned it's back on society, 1680 01:44:40,440 --> 01:44:42,908 corrupted our political system 1681 01:44:43,343 --> 01:44:46,005 and plunged the world economy into crisis. 1682 01:44:48,014 --> 01:44:50,949 At enormous cost, we've avoided disaster 1683 01:44:51,251 --> 01:44:53,219 and are recovering. 1684 01:44:53,587 --> 01:44:57,421 But the men and institutions that caused the crisis are still in power, 1685 01:44:57,591 --> 01:44:59,650 and that needs to change. 1686 01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:02,887 They will tell us that we need them, 1687 01:45:03,063 --> 01:45:07,227 and that what they do is too complicated for us to understand. 1688 01:45:08,034 --> 01:45:10,298 They will tell us it won't happen again. 1689 01:45:10,704 --> 01:45:13,969 They will spend billions fighting reform. 1690 01:45:14,374 --> 01:45:16,433 It won't be easy. 1691 01:45:17,744 --> 01:45:21,373 But some things are worth fighting for. 1692 01:45:25,285 --> 01:45:27,276 (MGMT'S "CONGRATULATIONS" PLAYS) 1693 01:45:27,286 --> 01:45:32,286 http://subscene.com/u/659433 Improved by: @Ivandrofly 145084

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