All language subtitles for Ghostwatch.1992.BluRay.1080p.REMUX.AVC.LPCM.DTSHD.MA.2.0-LEGi0N

af Afrikaans
ak Akan
sq Albanian
am Amharic
ar Arabic
hy Armenian
az Azerbaijani
eu Basque
be Belarusian
bem Bemba
bn Bengali
bh Bihari
bs Bosnian
br Breton
bg Bulgarian
km Cambodian
ca Catalan
ceb Cebuano
chr Cherokee
ny Chichewa
zh-CN Chinese (Simplified)
zh-TW Chinese (Traditional)
co Corsican
hr Croatian
cs Czech
da Danish
nl Dutch
en English
eo Esperanto
et Estonian
ee Ewe
fo Faroese
tl Filipino
fi Finnish
fr French
fy Frisian
gaa Ga
gl Galician
ka Georgian
de German
el Greek
gn Guarani
gu Gujarati
ht Haitian Creole
ha Hausa
haw Hawaiian
iw Hebrew
hi Hindi
hmn Hmong
hu Hungarian
is Icelandic
ig Igbo
id Indonesian
ia Interlingua
ga Irish
it Italian
ja Japanese
jw Javanese
kn Kannada
kk Kazakh
rw Kinyarwanda
rn Kirundi
kg Kongo
ko Korean
kri Krio (Sierra Leone)
ku Kurdish
ckb Kurdish (Soranî)
ky Kyrgyz
lo Laothian
la Latin
lv Latvian
ln Lingala
lt Lithuanian
loz Lozi
lg Luganda
ach Luo
lb Luxembourgish
mk Macedonian
mg Malagasy
ms Malay
ml Malayalam
mt Maltese
mi Maori
mr Marathi
mfe Mauritian Creole
mo Moldavian
mn Mongolian
my Myanmar (Burmese)
sr-ME Montenegrin
ne Nepali
pcm Nigerian Pidgin
nso Northern Sotho
no Norwegian
nn Norwegian (Nynorsk)
oc Occitan
or Oriya
om Oromo
ps Pashto
fa Persian
pl Polish
pt-BR Portuguese (Brazil)
pt Portuguese (Portugal)
pa Punjabi
qu Quechua
ro Romanian
rm Romansh
nyn Runyakitara
ru Russian
sm Samoan
gd Scots Gaelic
sr Serbian
sh Serbo-Croatian
st Sesotho
tn Setswana
crs Seychellois Creole
sn Shona
sd Sindhi
si Sinhalese
sk Slovak
sl Slovenian
so Somali
es Spanish
es-419 Spanish (Latin American)
su Sundanese
sw Swahili
sv Swedish
tg Tajik
ta Tamil
tt Tatar
te Telugu
th Thai
ti Tigrinya
to Tonga
lua Tshiluba
tum Tumbuka
tr Turkish
tk Turkmen
tw Twi
ug Uighur
uk Ukrainian
ur Urdu
uz Uzbek
vi Vietnamese
cy Welsh
wo Wolof
xh Xhosa
yi Yiddish
yo Yoruba
zu Zulu
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:27,697 --> 00:00:32,864 The program you're about to watch is a unique live investigation of the supernatural. 2 00:00:33,125 --> 00:00:37,851 It contains material which some viewers may find to be disturbing. 3 00:00:38,489 --> 00:00:42,313 No creaking gates, no Gothic towers, no shuttered windows. 4 00:00:42,393 --> 00:00:44,153 Yet for the past 10 months- 5 00:00:44,234 --> 00:00:50,226 -this house has been the focus of an astonishing barrage of supernatural activity. 6 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,584 This footage was shot by parapsychologists investigating the case. 7 00:00:54,944 --> 00:00:59,829 Now you're about to see one of the incidents that have earned this house its reputation. 8 00:01:00,610 --> 00:01:03,229 - Let's see what you think. - ...turn the light off. 9 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,311 Mum said if you don't... 10 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:08,937 Right. All right! 11 00:01:50,119 --> 00:01:52,543 Mum! 12 00:01:53,299 --> 00:01:54,399 Mummy, it's back! 13 00:01:54,479 --> 00:01:56,309 It's back! Mum! 14 00:01:58,719 --> 00:02:01,519 Help me. 15 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:03,352 Don't touch me! 16 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:07,879 Don't -- 17 00:02:08,979 --> 00:02:11,230 - Quickly! - Mum! 18 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,805 So welcome, live, this Halloween night to the first ever TV Ghostwatch. 19 00:03:05,405 --> 00:03:08,989 That's the scene in Foxhill Drive in Northolt. Our outside broadcast units are there. 20 00:03:09,069 --> 00:03:12,633 That's the house where it might all happen tonight, or it might not. 21 00:03:13,074 --> 00:03:16,623 We shall see. We're going to investigate one of the most baffling and fascinating- 22 00:03:16,718 --> 00:03:18,811 -areas of human experience - the supernatural. 23 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,503 Tonight, television is going ghost hunting- 24 00:03:21,883 --> 00:03:25,688 -in an unprecedented scientific experiment, where we hope to show you, for the first time- 25 00:03:26,008 --> 00:03:30,273 -irrefutable proof that ghosts really do exist. I'm joined in the studio- 26 00:03:30,733 --> 00:03:33,877 -by Dr. Lin Pascoe to give her expert technical advice. 27 00:03:34,698 --> 00:03:37,381 Throughout the program, I'll be taking other expert opinion- 28 00:03:37,461 --> 00:03:40,175 -about the supernatural from both here and America. 29 00:03:40,745 --> 00:03:43,305 You'll be telling us your ghost stories. 30 00:03:43,408 --> 00:03:48,094 And as our tale unfolds, we'll be taking your calls about just what you're seeing. 31 00:03:48,855 --> 00:03:52,279 Well, let's go to the main location of our program, the house in Foxhill Drive. 32 00:03:52,639 --> 00:03:55,583 Craig Charles, a well-known ghost hunter, is our reporter. 33 00:03:55,843 --> 00:03:58,617 - Craig, how are you? - Hi, Michael. 34 00:03:59,297 --> 00:04:01,619 Yeah, I'm fine. I've taken the Valium, man. 35 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,124 Later on, we're going to be interviewing the medium who tried, unsuccessfully- 36 00:04:06,204 --> 00:04:09,948 -to exorcise the house behind me. I wonder if he's heard from Elvis lately? 37 00:04:10,028 --> 00:04:13,631 However, with me is Pam Early, the mum of the house. - Hello, Pam. 38 00:04:14,292 --> 00:04:17,175 And she's going to take us through the whole spine-tingling story. 39 00:04:18,795 --> 00:04:21,635 And after that, you can share with us your own supernatural experience- 40 00:04:21,739 --> 00:04:24,402 -on our very own Halloween witch board. I mean, switchboard. 41 00:04:24,682 --> 00:04:27,766 - Over to you, Smithy. - Thanks, Craig. We'll come back to you later on. 42 00:04:28,087 --> 00:04:31,552 Right, this part of the studio is your part of the studio this evening- 43 00:04:31,632 --> 00:04:34,937 -because this is the phone number we'd like you to call us on. 44 00:04:35,056 --> 00:04:37,180 You can now see our Ghostwatch team are here- 45 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,063 -ready to take your calls. We particularly want to hear from you- 46 00:04:40,143 --> 00:04:43,909 -if you've had any personal experiences of ghosts or the supernatural. 47 00:04:43,989 --> 00:04:45,280 - Call us now. - As a matter of fact- 48 00:04:45,391 --> 00:04:47,311 -of course, Mike Smith, there's a very particular reason- 49 00:04:47,393 --> 00:04:49,997 -we're keeping a beady eye on the proceedings tonight. Michael? 50 00:04:50,129 --> 00:04:51,969 Well, so would you if your wife had just told you- 51 00:04:52,051 --> 00:04:55,954 -she was going to spend the best part of her night in the most haunted house in Britain. 52 00:04:56,176 --> 00:04:58,142 Of course, we're talking about Sarah Greene- 53 00:04:58,238 --> 00:05:03,036 -and Sarah is our reporter who'll be spending the night actually inside our haunted house. 54 00:05:03,244 --> 00:05:06,408 - She's very keen to do it, I understand, Mike. - Oh, yeah, jumped at the chance. 55 00:05:06,628 --> 00:05:11,614 Actually, so did I, because we've both been interested in ghosts and that weird sort of stuff- 56 00:05:11,694 --> 00:05:15,197 -and to be honest, I could never have sat at home tonight on my own and watched this programme. 57 00:05:15,278 --> 00:05:17,241 - I'm safer here. - All right, Mike, thanks a lot. 58 00:05:18,082 --> 00:05:21,914 Now, confrontations, of course, with the supernatural can be devastatingly real. 59 00:05:21,994 --> 00:05:27,400 Let's find out what effect they've had on Mrs Early and her family. 60 00:05:27,750 --> 00:05:30,497 So, how destructive has the haunting actually been? 61 00:05:31,034 --> 00:05:34,361 They kept on blaming us for breaking stuff. We weren't doing anything. 62 00:05:34,622 --> 00:05:41,262 I've lost track, really. I have plates, teapots, cups, a broken tap. 63 00:05:41,376 --> 00:05:45,364 We got this thick smell, so disgusting, from the tap. 64 00:05:46,206 --> 00:05:49,112 Stains got on clothes from nowhere, out of thin air. 65 00:05:49,192 --> 00:05:53,832 - And the central heating went. - The man came and he couldn't understand it. 66 00:05:53,938 --> 00:05:56,781 He said it was impossible. Everybody said it was impossible. 67 00:05:56,861 --> 00:06:00,141 I said, "Great, you come and live with impossible". 68 00:06:00,245 --> 00:06:01,447 So many things have happened. 69 00:06:02,483 --> 00:06:08,555 You start thinking... I don't know... Maybe you've done something wrong. 70 00:06:09,857 --> 00:06:15,126 It's wrecked my house, my home, my family. 71 00:06:16,646 --> 00:06:19,048 It's OK. - Over to you, Michael. 72 00:06:21,608 --> 00:06:24,532 Dr. Lin Pascoe, it's a disturbing interview, that, isn't it? 73 00:06:25,854 --> 00:06:29,601 You investigated the Northolt poltergeist for eight months, wasn't it? 74 00:06:30,521 --> 00:06:34,207 What can be done for people like Mrs. Early, according to the evidence on that film- 75 00:06:34,347 --> 00:06:35,720 -when, clearly, she's shattered? 76 00:06:35,970 --> 00:06:38,714 Well, the first thing we can all do for a start is believe them. 77 00:06:39,214 --> 00:06:41,018 Well, it's not always that easy, is it? 78 00:06:41,338 --> 00:06:44,643 Yes, but you can see... It's obvious these people are desperate for help. 79 00:06:45,083 --> 00:06:47,563 It makes me so angry when you still get people out there denying- 80 00:06:47,686 --> 00:06:50,266 - ...that these things even happen. - All right, Dr Pascoe, for the moment- 81 00:06:50,346 --> 00:06:51,488 -thank you very much indeed. 82 00:06:51,568 --> 00:06:55,035 Lin Pascoe will be giving her expert commentary right throughout the programme. 83 00:06:55,115 --> 00:06:57,180 And by the way, for those night owls amongst you- 84 00:06:57,260 --> 00:07:00,615 -we'll be here with updates roughly every hour right through the night. 85 00:07:01,268 --> 00:07:04,474 Well, now it's high time we met our intrepid ghost watcher, Sarah Greene. 86 00:07:04,875 --> 00:07:07,901 First Hospital Watch, Sarah, now Ghostwatch. Bit different. 87 00:07:07,981 --> 00:07:11,407 Well, I suppose the truth is I love a mystery, and who knows- 88 00:07:11,648 --> 00:07:13,370 -we may get to the bottom of this one. 89 00:07:13,573 --> 00:07:18,464 Actually, my own experience with things ghostly, albeit very brief, was so intriguing- 90 00:07:19,204 --> 00:07:22,211 -I thought I might get the chance to learn a bit more tonight. 91 00:07:22,291 --> 00:07:25,091 Well, perhaps we might get the chance to hear more of your story later on. 92 00:07:25,174 --> 00:07:27,456 Yeah, if we get an opportunity, I'd love to. 93 00:07:28,037 --> 00:07:32,594 Actually, Smithy was there when I had my encounter with what I think was a ghost- 94 00:07:33,022 --> 00:07:34,582 -but he wasn't quite as struck as me, though -- 95 00:07:34,666 --> 00:07:38,588 Well, no. Well, yes. I mean, I think this is the right environment to study these things. 96 00:07:38,668 --> 00:07:40,508 Yeah, that's why I get sent out here to the front line- 97 00:07:40,610 --> 00:07:43,747 -and you stay all cosy and safe and sound in the studio, isn't it? 98 00:07:44,754 --> 00:07:47,137 Well, good luck, and I'll see you later. 99 00:07:47,317 --> 00:07:51,800 Now, before we go into the lion's den, I'd like to introduce you to Alan Demescu. 100 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:57,130 He is an electronics engineer and a member of the Society for Psychical Research. 101 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,265 Now, Alan, we have a whole array of technology here with us. 102 00:08:01,345 --> 00:08:03,148 What are you hoping to discover tonight? 103 00:08:03,415 --> 00:08:06,039 Well, the paranormal covers a wide range of aspects- 104 00:08:06,119 --> 00:08:10,116 -but tonight we're concentrating on what we call spontaneous cases. 105 00:08:11,005 --> 00:08:12,287 What are they exactly? 106 00:08:12,367 --> 00:08:16,773 Well, anything from inexplicable noises, footsteps, knocking- 107 00:08:16,853 --> 00:08:20,637 -through to voices, presences, the feeling of being watched- 108 00:08:20,717 --> 00:08:25,075 -electrical interference, so, you know, your TV, lights, telephone- 109 00:08:26,085 --> 00:08:30,820 -right along at the far end of the spectrum to actual full-blown visual apparitions. 110 00:08:30,905 --> 00:08:35,205 Now, we've got our own BBC scanner here, but what are you using it for exactly? 111 00:08:35,386 --> 00:08:39,565 Well, we've got a remote video camera mounted in every room. 112 00:08:43,308 --> 00:08:47,875 But we have our image analysis equipment linked in. 113 00:08:48,456 --> 00:08:50,179 The tape is time-coded. 114 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:55,848 And atmospheric condition and temperature are logged on screen by sensors. 115 00:08:56,389 --> 00:08:58,913 Those are like the little burglar alarms with the red lights. 116 00:08:59,273 --> 00:09:03,520 Except they're triggered by cold instead of heat. 117 00:09:03,961 --> 00:09:07,146 Intense cold spots are a secondary phenomenon. 118 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:10,960 We also want to detect low and high frequencies. 119 00:09:11,101 --> 00:09:14,806 Basically, any aberration at all could be a signal or a clue. 120 00:09:15,367 --> 00:09:17,170 Well, we hope you get lots of both of those. 121 00:09:17,250 --> 00:09:18,712 We'll leave you to it, Alan. 122 00:09:18,792 --> 00:09:22,939 And we'll go back outside, where I'm going to be able to introduce you- 123 00:09:23,019 --> 00:09:29,416 -to two of the very important people who are at the front line of this vigil- 124 00:09:29,508 --> 00:09:31,391 -as psychical researchers call it. 125 00:09:31,471 --> 00:09:34,155 Now, the first person is actually standing right behind the camera. 126 00:09:34,435 --> 00:09:37,358 And if he hands it over to me, you'll notice two things: 127 00:09:37,438 --> 00:09:40,621 First of all, that his hand is a lot steadier than mine. 128 00:09:40,962 --> 00:09:44,165 And secondly, that he bears a remarkable resemblance to Mike Gatting. 129 00:09:44,305 --> 00:09:45,240 Yes, you do. 130 00:09:46,507 --> 00:09:47,508 - Chris Miller. - Hi. 131 00:09:48,029 --> 00:09:50,992 Now, Chris, does this camera differ in any way- 132 00:09:51,072 --> 00:09:53,910 -from the sort of camera you'd normally use on an outside broadcast? 133 00:09:53,995 --> 00:09:56,757 Well, it's a normal lightweight mobile camera- 134 00:09:56,837 --> 00:09:59,670 -but in this case it's been adapted so we can use infrared as well. 135 00:10:00,261 --> 00:10:02,623 Can we see how that works, Chris? I'll hand this back to you. 136 00:10:03,329 --> 00:10:06,613 - What's the best way to demonstrate it? - Well, if we can kill the lights. 137 00:10:06,953 --> 00:10:10,393 OK, Clive, can we pop the lights down now? 138 00:10:15,062 --> 00:10:16,645 - There you go. - Right, how's that? 139 00:10:16,725 --> 00:10:19,748 - I can see you quite clearly now. - Yes, so can I on the monitor. 140 00:10:20,970 --> 00:10:22,191 I'm quite close to you, though. 141 00:10:22,271 --> 00:10:26,156 I mean, what about the people down here, if we move down here? 142 00:10:26,416 --> 00:10:28,936 How fast can you move with that thing on your shoulders, actually? 143 00:10:29,025 --> 00:10:31,863 It's not bad. Who needs a Steadicam when you've got Chris Miller? 144 00:10:31,943 --> 00:10:33,184 That's what I say. 145 00:10:33,755 --> 00:10:35,951 - Oh, yes, there we are. - Yeah, there we are. 146 00:10:38,925 --> 00:10:42,251 - Somebody wants to get in the frame? - If only they could see what they look like. 147 00:10:43,133 --> 00:10:45,758 Tell you what though, this means for us, doesn't it, that- 148 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:49,546 - ...nothing can lurk in the shadows. - That's right, there's no hiding place. 149 00:10:49,626 --> 00:10:53,012 Absolutely. Right, let's have the lights back up again then. 150 00:10:57,262 --> 00:11:00,612 OK, now we've got our vision back, I think it's time to meet sound. 151 00:11:01,274 --> 00:11:03,581 Man of sound mind here, Mike Ayton. 152 00:11:03,661 --> 00:11:07,530 Not only can this gentleman hear an ant scratching its back legs at 50 yards- 153 00:11:07,993 --> 00:11:11,422 -he's also the unofficial chairman of the Adrian Edmondson Lookalike Society. 154 00:11:12,162 --> 00:11:13,283 Right on. 155 00:11:13,503 --> 00:11:15,845 If you're not scared of ghosts, be scared of that. 156 00:11:16,646 --> 00:11:19,148 How are you feeling about tonight? Are you a bit nervous at all? 157 00:11:19,409 --> 00:11:20,280 We'll see. 158 00:11:21,571 --> 00:11:22,952 - How about you, Chris? - I'm OK. 159 00:11:23,493 --> 00:11:25,275 - Are we ready to go in then? - Yeah. 160 00:11:25,355 --> 00:11:26,556 OK, well, we'll see you later. 161 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,160 And it's time to go once more into the breach. 162 00:11:33,322 --> 00:11:34,661 - Do I have to go first? - After you. 163 00:11:34,741 --> 00:11:36,525 Yeah, typical. Come on then, chaps. 164 00:11:37,726 --> 00:11:38,600 Hello? 165 00:11:40,748 --> 00:11:41,760 Here we are. 166 00:11:42,371 --> 00:11:44,455 Hi, Pam. Now... Oh, look, here we are. 167 00:11:44,535 --> 00:11:48,883 This is the burglar alarm that Alan Demescu was talking about. 168 00:11:49,765 --> 00:11:51,280 Could we make ourselves at home? 169 00:11:53,692 --> 00:11:54,614 Kim? Suzanne? 170 00:11:55,676 --> 00:11:57,880 Can I join you for a bit of apple bobbing, do you think? 171 00:11:58,889 --> 00:12:03,663 Well, we'll let Sarah and her jolly team settle down there for the night. 172 00:12:03,743 --> 00:12:06,170 I wonder if they'll remain as jolly as that all evening. 173 00:12:06,250 --> 00:12:08,156 We shall find out. 174 00:12:08,236 --> 00:12:10,623 Dr Pascoe, let me ask you, why did you, first of all- 175 00:12:10,703 --> 00:12:12,743 -why did you choose that particular house? 176 00:12:14,107 --> 00:12:18,443 Well, it was a decision we made over many weeks, really. What happened is... 177 00:12:19,955 --> 00:12:24,021 We ran a computer programme of all the haunted locations in the UK- 178 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,171 -and then we did a census of all the various investigators- 179 00:12:27,251 --> 00:12:33,545 -and they were all unanimous that Foxhill had more tangible phenomena on record than, well- 180 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,720 -I was going to say any place in the world, but certainly any place in the UK. 181 00:12:36,780 --> 00:12:40,024 We'll see evidence of that, of course, later on in the programme. 182 00:12:40,104 --> 00:12:42,666 What's the chance, do you think, of us seeing anything tonight? 183 00:12:43,439 --> 00:12:45,242 I don't honestly know. 184 00:12:46,864 --> 00:12:51,480 Sometimes we saw nothing for weeks and then other times things were coming through thick and fast. 185 00:12:51,691 --> 00:12:54,415 I mean so much so that we had difficulty logging it all. 186 00:12:54,495 --> 00:12:59,061 I mean some nights it was like being in a circus or a war zone. 187 00:12:59,141 --> 00:12:59,960 A war zone? 188 00:13:00,984 --> 00:13:01,825 What about Halloween? 189 00:13:01,905 --> 00:13:04,739 - Will that make any difference do you think? - Yeah, I think it will. 190 00:13:05,461 --> 00:13:08,705 Certainly, there are more reports on Halloween than almost any other night of the year- 191 00:13:08,785 --> 00:13:11,969 -but maybe that's because people expect to see things. 192 00:13:13,411 --> 00:13:15,895 I'm taking out no bets. I'm hopeful, though. 193 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,960 All right, yes, we're all hopeful. Let's take a phone call. 194 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,480 Mike Smith, what have you got for us? 195 00:13:20,921 --> 00:13:25,087 - This is Emma Stableford and she's from Slough. - Thank you. Emma? 196 00:13:25,247 --> 00:13:26,469 - Emma, hello? - Oh, hello. 197 00:13:27,330 --> 00:13:32,076 I did have a story, but there's actually something else I'd like to say to Dr Pascoe... 198 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:35,747 - ...but I feel a bit foolish. - Oh, don't worry about that, Emma. 199 00:13:36,308 --> 00:13:37,280 Never worries me. 200 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:42,440 Well, you know at the beginning, when you showed the real footage of that haunted bedroom? 201 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,204 Well, I know it was dark, but I was sure I could see- 202 00:13:45,284 --> 00:13:48,851 -a figure standing behind, against the wall, just by the curtain. 203 00:13:49,692 --> 00:13:51,856 Very, very vague, but definitely a figure there. 204 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,040 A woman, a person's body at least, standing there in a black dress. 205 00:13:59,123 --> 00:14:04,270 Emma, I've examined that particular piece of film many times, and so I'm... 206 00:14:04,350 --> 00:14:08,515 I'll tell you what to do, Emma. If you can actually spot up the specific point on that tape- 207 00:14:08,595 --> 00:14:12,160 -where you saw this figure, and tell one of our operators- 208 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,783 -we'll actually spool it back to the point where you tell us- 209 00:14:14,863 --> 00:14:17,746 -and then I'll get Dr Pascoe here to have a good look at it, OK? 210 00:14:19,148 --> 00:14:20,330 All right. Thanks for calling. 211 00:14:20,770 --> 00:14:24,330 Before you go, Emma, could you give a full description of what you thought you saw- 212 00:14:24,415 --> 00:14:26,535 -to somebody manning the phones, please? Can you do that? 213 00:14:26,618 --> 00:14:28,969 - Yeah, I will. - OK, Emma, thanks a lot. 214 00:14:29,450 --> 00:14:30,200 Bye-bye. 215 00:14:30,691 --> 00:14:34,381 I'll tell you what we'll do. While we search for that piece of tape- 216 00:14:34,461 --> 00:14:36,416 -let's find out what Sarah's up to. 217 00:14:37,197 --> 00:14:38,258 Sarah, did you hear that? 218 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,120 Somebody thinks they've seen a presence in the house. 219 00:14:42,002 --> 00:14:44,164 - Today? - Yeah, noticed anything this evening, have you? 220 00:14:44,484 --> 00:14:48,608 No, nothing to report from here yet, except how absolutely useless I am at apple-bobbing. 221 00:14:48,688 --> 00:14:50,610 Come on, girls. Yes, you've done it, I can see. 222 00:14:52,452 --> 00:14:53,360 Who was that? 223 00:14:56,155 --> 00:14:56,880 Can you hear that? 224 00:14:59,587 --> 00:15:03,393 Can you hear this? Are you hearing? 225 00:15:03,663 --> 00:15:04,999 It's coming from in... 226 00:15:09,115 --> 00:15:09,987 You... 227 00:15:11,379 --> 00:15:16,112 You are a complete and utter beast. 228 00:15:16,352 --> 00:15:18,872 Beast? I got it! Look at that, it's worse than Mike Smith, isn't it? 229 00:15:19,651 --> 00:15:22,057 - I don't know, though. - Was it your idea, this, Smithy? 230 00:15:22,137 --> 00:15:25,466 Well, I had a bet with your husband I could get a four-letter word out here on television. 231 00:15:25,546 --> 00:15:27,009 I nearly did as well. It was beast. 232 00:15:27,089 --> 00:15:30,563 B-E-A-S-T. Beast. You're a class act. 233 00:15:30,982 --> 00:15:33,523 I think that is such a cheap shot, I have to say. I mean- 234 00:15:33,603 --> 00:15:35,523 -you know I can take a joke with the best of them, but we're all -- 235 00:15:35,604 --> 00:15:38,284 Well, look. Look, I'm sorry if I'm being insensitive, but it is my brief. 236 00:15:38,364 --> 00:15:41,076 They said "Craig, come along, be insensitive". Can you get out of the way a minute? 237 00:15:41,156 --> 00:15:43,210 - You're in the middle of my close-up. - With pleasure. 238 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,333 They were in on it. Give me an apple. 239 00:15:45,413 --> 00:15:46,314 You were? 240 00:15:47,436 --> 00:15:50,440 Sorry, chaps. I love you all. If there's any ghosts, keep them to yourselves. 241 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,543 - Love us and leave us. Go on. - I love you. 242 00:15:53,587 --> 00:15:55,269 You needn't smirk, Mike Smith. 243 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:56,120 You're in on this. 244 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,800 I think you're in a certain amount of trouble with your endorse of that little situation. 245 00:16:00,654 --> 00:16:01,374 I'm sorry there, Doctor. 246 00:16:01,615 --> 00:16:03,638 Our producer, in fact, created a happening in the house- 247 00:16:03,718 --> 00:16:06,741 -just in case we were on a wild ghost hunt, so to speak. 248 00:16:06,821 --> 00:16:10,461 - We aren't, I promise you. - All right. Well, let's go back to Sarah now. 249 00:16:10,785 --> 00:16:15,270 Sarah, when you're ready, let's hear the real story of strange happenings at Foxhill Drive. 250 00:16:15,690 --> 00:16:18,193 And by the way, have you got over your shock yet? 251 00:16:18,697 --> 00:16:20,780 Yes, I have recovered now. Thank you, Michael. 252 00:16:21,642 --> 00:16:24,527 Let me fill you in on what's been happening here so far. 253 00:16:24,607 --> 00:16:29,011 Let's face it, there's violence at some time or another in every part of London- 254 00:16:29,094 --> 00:16:33,480 -and this estate is no exception. But there are some days, and certainly nights- 255 00:16:33,782 --> 00:16:36,726 -where Mrs Early and her two daughters would rather be out on the street- 256 00:16:36,806 --> 00:16:39,030 -than right here, within their own four walls. 257 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:40,532 Let's go upstairs for a moment. 258 00:16:45,562 --> 00:16:49,205 It all began in here on December 28, 1991. 259 00:16:50,408 --> 00:16:53,010 Who was the first person to experience something? 260 00:16:53,211 --> 00:16:54,160 Suzanne. 261 00:16:54,372 --> 00:16:55,940 We had a bit of an argument because- 262 00:16:56,315 --> 00:16:59,158 -Suzanne wanted to stay up and watch some film, and I wouldn't let her. 263 00:17:00,099 --> 00:17:02,981 - Go on, Suzy, say what happened next. - No, you say it. 264 00:17:03,943 --> 00:17:06,186 - She went to bed about -- - I was in bed. 265 00:17:06,827 --> 00:17:07,948 Mum came in to tuck me in. 266 00:17:08,409 --> 00:17:10,411 Instead, she just stood by the bed, looking at me. 267 00:17:11,152 --> 00:17:13,915 At least I thought it was her. And then she just turned and went. 268 00:17:14,582 --> 00:17:17,129 The thing is, I didn't tuck them in that night. I always do. 269 00:17:17,951 --> 00:17:20,276 But that night, I fell asleep in front of the television. 270 00:17:21,179 --> 00:17:22,843 I told her she must have been dreaming. 271 00:17:23,565 --> 00:17:25,890 Then a few days later, it was my room. 272 00:17:25,970 --> 00:17:27,172 Should we go and have a look? 273 00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:44,055 A few days later, these terrible noises woke me, coming from the walls, like a thudding. 274 00:17:44,915 --> 00:17:45,936 All around you? 275 00:17:46,177 --> 00:17:48,322 Yes, like the whole room was going to come apart. 276 00:17:51,542 --> 00:17:54,725 - Did anybody else hear it? - Yes, Suze and Kim heard it. 277 00:17:55,466 --> 00:18:00,151 Kimmy, if you heard it too, what sort of a noise was it? 278 00:18:05,336 --> 00:18:06,698 We were screaming, I was shouting- 279 00:18:06,938 --> 00:18:07,999 "What is it? What is it?" 280 00:18:09,059 --> 00:18:11,179 Well, I didn't know what to say. They were that terrified. 281 00:18:11,281 --> 00:18:14,925 So, I said it was pipes. You know, it's central heating. 282 00:18:16,007 --> 00:18:19,330 So afterwards, whenever Kim heard something, she'd say, "It's Pipes". 283 00:18:19,590 --> 00:18:20,640 "Pipes is here." 284 00:18:21,052 --> 00:18:24,276 So by this time, Kim, you could actually feel something as well, could you? 285 00:18:25,537 --> 00:18:28,701 - Whereabouts was it coming from? - There. 286 00:18:28,781 --> 00:18:32,084 - What is it that's over there? - Pipes. That's where he hides. 287 00:18:32,825 --> 00:18:36,389 Does he live there? Where does he live then? Anywhere? 288 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:38,560 Down the stairs. 289 00:18:51,652 --> 00:18:55,500 - Kim, how do you know he lives down there? - Because I saw him through the crack. 290 00:18:58,286 --> 00:19:00,551 He was there. He was staring at me. 291 00:19:01,132 --> 00:19:06,244 - What happened after you saw him? - I drew a picture of him. 292 00:19:06,324 --> 00:19:07,606 - Have you kept it? - Yeah. 293 00:19:08,368 --> 00:19:09,920 - Can we have a look? - Yeah. 294 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:21,440 Let's have a look. 295 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,320 And was that exactly how he looked when you saw him? 296 00:19:27,663 --> 00:19:31,010 Yeah, he was disgusting. Really disgusting. 297 00:19:32,493 --> 00:19:34,760 - It's a good picture. - Thank you. 298 00:19:35,329 --> 00:19:38,005 - Keep it. It's a present. - Oh, thank you very much. 299 00:19:38,887 --> 00:19:42,555 Tell you what, why don't we put it up somewhere where everyone can see it? 300 00:19:43,096 --> 00:19:45,100 Where's a good place? 301 00:19:45,180 --> 00:19:47,240 - On the fridge in the kitchen. - On the fridge? 302 00:19:52,823 --> 00:19:55,827 There we go. Will it be all right putting him up there, do you think? 303 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,200 Yeah, because he likes everything freezing and really cold. 304 00:20:00,534 --> 00:20:03,518 - Pam, there was something else, wasn't there? - Yes, there's also this. 305 00:20:06,723 --> 00:20:09,427 One day I looked in Suzie's exercise book from school. 306 00:20:14,975 --> 00:20:17,738 Oh, I was so shocked. I said to her "Did you write this?" 307 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,923 I was going to hit her, I was so mad. 308 00:20:21,528 --> 00:20:23,514 Well, it wasn't me. I don't even write like that. 309 00:20:24,116 --> 00:20:29,917 - So I said "Who was it then? Who was it?" - Yeah. Who? Or what? 310 00:20:30,556 --> 00:20:31,397 Michael? 311 00:20:33,796 --> 00:20:36,476 Lots of questions there that need answering- 312 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,805 -and perhaps we'll have a chance to answer some of them tonight. 313 00:20:40,026 --> 00:20:43,832 I'm just actually hearing in my earpiece that Mike Smith has some news. 314 00:20:44,212 --> 00:20:46,495 - Mike, what's happening? - Thanks very much. Thank you. 315 00:20:46,977 --> 00:20:51,584 I've got eight or nine phone calls here which are like Emma Stableford's we had earlier on. 316 00:20:52,265 --> 00:20:55,670 They too have seen a mysterious dark figure- 317 00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:58,790 -in the background of that shot in the children's bedroom. Michael? 318 00:20:59,075 --> 00:21:02,999 - Dark, mysterious figure, Doctor. - Have we got that sequence ready yet? 319 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:04,320 - Yes. - Can we see that tape? 320 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,000 Yeah, I think we can. I think we can see it right now. 321 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,080 Let's roll the tape. There you are. 322 00:21:08,145 --> 00:21:10,708 Up there on the screen. That's the tape you wanted, isn't it? 323 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,852 - I can't sleep. - Turn the light off. 324 00:21:13,932 --> 00:21:18,296 - Mum said if you don't... - Right! All right. 325 00:21:18,376 --> 00:21:21,600 Now, this is the point where Emma Stableford, our caller, said she could identify- 326 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,244 -that dark, mysterious figure in the corner of the room. 327 00:21:25,725 --> 00:21:27,106 Don't see anything myself, do you? 328 00:21:28,353 --> 00:21:30,320 - Can we rewind it? - Sure. Yeah, let's rewind it. 329 00:21:30,575 --> 00:21:33,378 - Can we play it again? - Yeah. - Can we play it back, VTR? 330 00:21:33,459 --> 00:21:35,261 There you are. Back a bit more. 331 00:21:37,063 --> 00:21:38,764 - Yeah. Is that all right? - Yeah. 332 00:21:40,026 --> 00:21:42,468 - Can we go forward slowly? - Sure, sure. Yeah. 333 00:21:42,548 --> 00:21:44,068 I'm doing that now. 334 00:21:45,532 --> 00:21:46,533 Am I slow enough? 335 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,680 I can't see anything now myself. False alarm? 336 00:21:59,065 --> 00:22:02,526 Yeah, I think I can see what's happened. Do you see the shadow cast by the curtain... 337 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,000 ...there? 338 00:22:04,090 --> 00:22:06,520 - You see the curtain on the left-hand side? - Not really. 339 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,520 I'll tell you what we'll do. We've got a piece of... 340 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,480 - Adam! We've got a piece of sophisticated technology in here. 341 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,883 You can actually use a light pencil on the screen there- 342 00:22:15,963 --> 00:22:19,366 -just to identify exactly the area that you're talking about. 343 00:22:19,446 --> 00:22:22,406 Perhaps you... Yes, that's right. Just draw on it as you would a normal pencil. 344 00:22:22,910 --> 00:22:30,713 Right, I think there's a sort of shape there, a face maybe, and a human form. 345 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,657 - I think the shadow's caused it. - I wonder, it's... 346 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,478 What if it's that thing, you know, where you put your dressing gown- 347 00:22:36,558 --> 00:22:40,586 -on the back of a bedroom door and in a certain light you look at it in the middle of the night- 348 00:22:40,666 --> 00:22:42,369 -and it looks like a human form or face. 349 00:22:42,449 --> 00:22:44,914 - It's easily done, isn't it? - I think that's it, exactly. 350 00:22:46,096 --> 00:22:47,160 Faces in the fire. 351 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,905 Human perception is such that the first thing you attempt to create- 352 00:22:50,985 --> 00:22:54,145 -in any abstract shape is a human face or form. 353 00:22:54,520 --> 00:23:00,080 OK. All right, then. Well, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I tell you what we'll do. 354 00:23:00,297 --> 00:23:03,883 Let's go back over to Foxhill Drive and learn about the toll that- 355 00:23:03,963 --> 00:23:07,730 -living there has taken on the children's mother, Pamela Early. 356 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,640 Pam, I know this has all been a nightmare for you- 357 00:23:12,739 --> 00:23:15,184 -but what's been the worst moment so far, do you think? 358 00:23:17,248 --> 00:23:18,550 I'll show you. 359 00:23:23,137 --> 00:23:24,618 I'll have to get this done properly. 360 00:23:25,728 --> 00:23:31,005 My husband, my ex-husband, used to develop his own photos in a darkroom under the stairs. 361 00:23:31,085 --> 00:23:33,127 The Glory Hole, we used to call it when I was a kid. 362 00:23:33,828 --> 00:23:35,650 Why have you boarded it up like this, though? 363 00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:41,561 Well, one night last January, I got it into my head... 364 00:23:42,712 --> 00:23:47,122 ...to try and find one of my letters, the solicitor's letters about my divorce. 365 00:23:48,895 --> 00:23:51,186 All of a sudden, the door stuck. 366 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,260 Like somebody was trying, was pushing it from outside. 367 00:23:55,663 --> 00:23:56,974 You were inside by this time? 368 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,025 Yeah... I shoved. I tried to get out. 369 00:24:04,007 --> 00:24:05,328 And then I started to panic. 370 00:24:05,949 --> 00:24:07,551 It was like a coffin. I couldn't breathe. 371 00:24:08,853 --> 00:24:14,239 I started screaming for Kimmy and Suzie. But all they could hear was my banging. 372 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:19,226 And all I could hear was Kimmy shouting, "It's Pipes, Mum." 373 00:24:19,306 --> 00:24:21,789 - "Pipes. Pipes is here." - That's awful. 374 00:24:21,869 --> 00:24:23,711 Did -- The girls got you out eventually? 375 00:24:24,412 --> 00:24:28,497 The thing is, when I was in there, I swear as God's my witness- 376 00:24:30,097 --> 00:24:34,915 -I heard -- I...felt this man in there, with me- 377 00:24:36,426 --> 00:24:41,737 -breathing right up against my face, like, strong... Like rotten cabbage. 378 00:24:43,457 --> 00:24:44,440 I nearly died. 379 00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:50,769 And when I got out, my head went, my knees. 380 00:24:50,989 --> 00:24:55,438 Pam, let's go sit down. Come on. Tell us what happened next. 381 00:24:59,037 --> 00:25:06,408 Well, after Glory Hole, I wrote to the council to try and get us moved. 382 00:25:06,488 --> 00:25:11,354 But they wouldn't take it seriously, you know, like I was lying. 383 00:25:13,952 --> 00:25:15,921 I just don't want to know, really. 384 00:25:16,001 --> 00:25:21,028 We saw a social worker, and they said we should all see a psychiatrist. 385 00:25:21,683 --> 00:25:24,947 Tell me what happened when the newspapers got their teeth into the story. 386 00:25:25,028 --> 00:25:27,231 That was a disaster. 387 00:25:27,311 --> 00:25:29,033 Look at these. You've got a lot of coverage. 388 00:25:29,855 --> 00:25:33,079 "I BELIEVE IN THE DEVIL, SAYS SPOOK HOUSE MOTHER" 389 00:25:33,159 --> 00:25:35,141 - Did you say that? - No, I didn't, no. 390 00:25:37,415 --> 00:25:38,720 "POWER OF EVIL" 391 00:25:41,230 --> 00:25:45,736 Everyone was very friendly, but in the end, they all made us look even more like idiots. 392 00:25:47,078 --> 00:25:51,083 - So I went to the local TV. - Can we have a look at that, actually? 393 00:25:53,628 --> 00:25:55,640 - Were you apprehensive? - Yes, but -- 394 00:25:55,781 --> 00:25:59,736 I told her it was a central heating, so ever since then she calls the noises Pipes. 395 00:26:00,697 --> 00:26:04,863 - So, Kim, aren't you a little bit afraid? - Sometimes. 396 00:26:04,943 --> 00:26:07,147 Why? Do you think Mr. Pipes has come to hurt you? 397 00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:09,429 I think he's come to hurt everybody. 398 00:26:09,509 --> 00:26:14,558 - I think he wants to do nasty things. - OK, thank you very much. Now... 399 00:26:15,978 --> 00:26:20,944 Pam, thanks for letting us see that. They're ready for you now in the other studio. 400 00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:25,856 Pam is just going to make her way outside now to our mini studio. 401 00:26:26,017 --> 00:26:28,060 She'll be there waiting to take your calls. 402 00:26:28,461 --> 00:26:30,605 In the meantime, let's go back to our main studio. 403 00:26:31,186 --> 00:26:32,769 And, Sarah, thank you very much indeed. 404 00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:36,134 Dr Pascoe, what was your introduction to the Early family? 405 00:26:36,495 --> 00:26:39,549 Well, I saw that programme that we've just seen an extract from- 406 00:26:39,681 --> 00:26:43,134 - ...and I offered to help if I could. - When you met Mrs Early then- 407 00:26:43,214 --> 00:26:45,150 -was she then at the end of her tether? 408 00:26:45,620 --> 00:26:50,040 Yes, I'd had some experience of a fairly violent poltergeist case in Heidelberg, Germany- 409 00:26:50,407 --> 00:26:53,151 -so I knew what it could do to a family emotionally. 410 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,320 I see. Well, I believe that Mrs Early has joined us now. 411 00:26:55,414 --> 00:26:57,760 - Pamela, hello. Thanks for joining us. - Hello. 412 00:26:59,179 --> 00:27:01,603 Thanks also for allowing our cameras into your home. 413 00:27:01,683 --> 00:27:03,966 That can't have been an easy decision to have taken. 414 00:27:04,722 --> 00:27:09,227 Well, Suzanne was getting fed up with the jibes she was getting at school- 415 00:27:09,307 --> 00:27:14,153 -with the papers calling us liars and everything, and she said- 416 00:27:14,233 --> 00:27:19,446 "Mum, Dr Pascoe wants us to do this BBC thing, so let's do it," 417 00:27:19,539 --> 00:27:22,883 "and let's show everyone, and then they'll have to believe us." 418 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,035 Pamela, I understand that you're quite keen to share your experience with our callers. 419 00:27:27,115 --> 00:27:29,975 Yes. I want to tell everyone that... 420 00:27:30,758 --> 00:27:34,001 ...they're not going mad like I thought I was sometimes, that's right. 421 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:37,004 All right. Well, we've got some callers on the line now. 422 00:27:37,084 --> 00:27:39,426 Let's take our first caller. Mike Smith, who is it? 423 00:27:39,947 --> 00:27:43,431 - This is Sandra Hughes from Sussex. - Right, let's pick up the phones, Dr Pascoe. 424 00:27:44,851 --> 00:27:47,874 - Sandra, hello. - Oh, hello. 425 00:27:48,214 --> 00:27:51,150 This is just that when I was a girl- 426 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,401 -I was brought up in a house in Brighton and we had a ghost. 427 00:27:55,887 --> 00:28:00,814 And we'd often find things broken and, you know, those sorts of things. 428 00:28:00,894 --> 00:28:02,395 You're not alone, Sandra, honestly. 429 00:28:03,317 --> 00:28:09,089 And it's sort of coming out about this boy who died there and how it affected me- 430 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,280 -because at the time I didn't realise how much it affected me. 431 00:28:15,813 --> 00:28:18,216 That's all I wanted to say, really. 432 00:28:19,293 --> 00:28:21,298 Thank you, Sandra, for your call. Thanks a lot. 433 00:28:22,841 --> 00:28:24,505 Thank you, too, Mrs. Early, for joining us. 434 00:28:24,585 --> 00:28:27,440 We'll -- If you'd stay in the studio there we'll come back to you in just a moment. 435 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,760 One or two other things to talk about first of all. Thanks a lot. 436 00:28:30,464 --> 00:28:32,307 Now, what I want to talk about now, Dr. Pascoe- 437 00:28:32,387 --> 00:28:35,754 -is this book of yours, which I'll show the camera there. 438 00:28:36,194 --> 00:28:39,721 This is called Angels of the Odd, and it's the book that you wrote- 439 00:28:39,801 --> 00:28:42,927 -your account of your investigation into this case. 440 00:28:43,007 --> 00:28:47,127 And you also made a film at the same time. We've got an extract from the film here. 441 00:28:47,515 --> 00:28:49,939 Perhaps you could talk us through what's happening here. 442 00:28:51,682 --> 00:28:53,390 Well, we did extensive interviews. 443 00:28:55,109 --> 00:28:57,444 And we also use the Ganzfeld Technique. 444 00:28:57,524 --> 00:29:03,593 That's what we're seeing now, and that's where all the sensory inputs are blocked off. 445 00:29:03,713 --> 00:29:04,996 - Deprived, yeah. - Deprived, yes. 446 00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:08,341 And you're just feeling the white sound, white noise through the headphones. 447 00:29:08,521 --> 00:29:10,444 - Bright light. - Yeah. 448 00:29:10,524 --> 00:29:12,507 Now, that's when we would hear the voice. 449 00:29:13,368 --> 00:29:16,048 The voice. Well, we should hear the voice, actually. 450 00:29:16,133 --> 00:29:18,556 Let's hear it now, because this is intriguing. 451 00:29:19,918 --> 00:29:20,940 Across here. 452 00:29:22,287 --> 00:29:24,651 I should say that this tape is completely undoctored. 453 00:29:25,172 --> 00:29:27,416 There's no edit on it whatsoever. 454 00:29:27,737 --> 00:29:31,685 We should also warn our viewers of a nervous disposition that- 455 00:29:31,784 --> 00:29:35,291 -the things on this tape that they might find a little bit distressing. 456 00:29:35,711 --> 00:29:39,398 At one point we filled Suzanne's mouth with coloured liquid and we sealed her lips with tape- 457 00:29:39,478 --> 00:29:42,403 -and the voice continued with absolutely no change in quality whatsoever. 458 00:29:42,704 --> 00:29:43,664 Let's hear it. 459 00:29:46,739 --> 00:29:48,882 The window above the sink's just been shattered now. 460 00:29:48,962 --> 00:29:50,437 There's no... Oh, my God. 461 00:29:50,517 --> 00:29:52,350 Look, the chair has gone. 462 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,786 Mum, it's coming towards me, Mum! 463 00:29:56,866 --> 00:29:58,249 ...right across the kitchen floor... 464 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,382 It's stopped. It's suddenly stopped moving. 465 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,080 And everything seems to have gone quiet now. 466 00:30:12,329 --> 00:30:14,999 A grunt or something like that. 467 00:30:16,507 --> 00:30:18,370 If you can grunt, can you speak? 468 00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:23,683 - Round and round the garden... - Oh, dear God, Suze. 469 00:30:23,763 --> 00:30:27,159 ...like a teddy bear. 470 00:30:27,239 --> 00:30:32,637 One step, two step, tickle... 471 00:30:34,404 --> 00:30:35,464 Who are you? 472 00:30:37,447 --> 00:30:40,690 - What's your name? - Jesus Christ. 473 00:30:40,770 --> 00:30:46,395 - Jesus Christ? Are you joking? - Ha ha ha. Very funny. 474 00:30:46,898 --> 00:30:48,103 Are you dead? 475 00:30:49,496 --> 00:30:50,747 Are you in heaven? 476 00:30:51,615 --> 00:30:56,106 All good children go to Heaven 477 00:30:57,866 --> 00:31:00,950 'cause I smell blood. 478 00:31:01,136 --> 00:31:04,099 Fe fi fo fum. 479 00:31:08,379 --> 00:31:10,494 Bizarre. And chilling, too. 480 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,157 A forensic scientist at Cambridge examined the voice recording and compared it- 481 00:31:14,237 --> 00:31:18,082 -to Suzanne's normal speech pattern, and they defined it as the voices of two separate people. 482 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,520 Two people... 483 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,891 And we asked Suzanne to see if she could imitate the voice recording- 484 00:31:24,971 --> 00:31:27,154 -and she wasn't able to do so for more than a few seconds. 485 00:31:27,234 --> 00:31:30,478 Well, that's her trying it there. 486 00:31:30,618 --> 00:31:34,523 Round and round the garden, like a teddy... 487 00:31:35,245 --> 00:31:37,685 - She can't do it. - No, even under hypnosis. We tried that. 488 00:31:37,775 --> 00:31:41,610 Really, and the same result? What other evidence do we have, Doctor? 489 00:31:42,367 --> 00:31:44,470 Well, over the months, Alan Demescu, my partner and I- 490 00:31:44,550 --> 00:31:48,264 -heard numerous noises, thuds, bangs- 491 00:31:48,883 --> 00:31:50,898 -scratching in the walls, knocking. 492 00:31:51,018 --> 00:31:54,142 The sort of normal noises you associate with poltergeist activity. 493 00:31:54,803 --> 00:31:58,523 - What about this here, though? - Well, this is my favourite, I think. 494 00:31:58,889 --> 00:32:02,233 This pillow moved diagonally to within about a foot of my face. 495 00:32:02,974 --> 00:32:07,380 Now, it's impossible to fake that. How do you fake that? 496 00:32:07,460 --> 00:32:09,642 Let's have a look at some more evidence over here. 497 00:32:09,722 --> 00:32:11,884 This is some wreckage evidence, if you like. 498 00:32:12,745 --> 00:32:17,590 This is an extraordinary assembly of... Let's have this cup here, for instance. 499 00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:19,271 Let me show that on the camera there. 500 00:32:19,791 --> 00:32:21,894 Now, how did these breakages occur? 501 00:32:21,974 --> 00:32:22,794 Were they dropped? 502 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,400 Well, the army did some analysis of this for us, and they said- 503 00:32:26,498 --> 00:32:30,662 -it had been caused by intense temperature change, not by impact or shock. 504 00:32:30,762 --> 00:32:31,440 Really? 505 00:32:31,683 --> 00:32:34,345 Just temperature? There you are, the headless lady. 506 00:32:35,067 --> 00:32:38,131 And lots more besides here. 507 00:32:40,332 --> 00:32:43,158 And clocks and watches just stop when they're in the house. 508 00:32:43,298 --> 00:32:46,482 I mean, I just gave up wearing one. There's no point. 509 00:32:46,562 --> 00:32:51,709 And the favourites in a situation like this, of course, are spools that are bent. 510 00:32:51,789 --> 00:32:53,571 Quite remarkable. 511 00:32:54,492 --> 00:32:57,372 It's a couple of regular little Uri Gellers those sisters, isn't it? 512 00:32:57,616 --> 00:33:00,520 Yes, they weren't even in the room sometimes. You just opened the drawer. 513 00:33:01,581 --> 00:33:04,585 - And you saw this happen? - Yeah, many times. Many, many times. 514 00:33:05,138 --> 00:33:06,658 Extraordinary. 515 00:33:06,739 --> 00:33:10,763 Let's now look at another piece of evidence, Doctor. 516 00:33:11,444 --> 00:33:17,449 And that's the situation where Suzanne's face at times is covered with marks, with lesions. 517 00:33:17,929 --> 00:33:21,813 Before I talk to you about that, I'd like to talk to Suzanne. 518 00:33:21,893 --> 00:33:26,077 And I think that... Yeah, there we are. We're going live over there. 519 00:33:27,497 --> 00:33:32,082 So I'd like to talk to Suzanne. Suzanne, when did you first get these marks on your face? 520 00:33:32,162 --> 00:33:33,002 When did they first show? 521 00:33:33,455 --> 00:33:38,202 About July, the first one was. It was horrible. 522 00:33:38,282 --> 00:33:41,402 Well, I'd just wake up, and it would feel like someone was all over me. 523 00:33:44,891 --> 00:33:49,718 And in fact, we've got there, Dr. Pascoe, we've got some of the pictures that were taken there- 524 00:33:49,798 --> 00:33:55,045 -of the face of that girl with these extraordinary marks on them. 525 00:33:55,125 --> 00:33:59,331 Alan and I watched them appear on her face and throat literally in front of our eyes. 526 00:34:00,532 --> 00:34:02,415 There's another shot there, look. 527 00:34:03,172 --> 00:34:05,196 Remarkable. 528 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:10,320 Now we've seen, Dr Pascoe, we've seen the evidence that you've collected so far. 529 00:34:11,528 --> 00:34:12,912 I'd like your theory. 530 00:34:12,992 --> 00:34:16,239 From what we've seen, do you think that the poltergeist activity- 531 00:34:16,319 --> 00:34:18,919 -such as it is, is now centred on Suzanne? 532 00:34:20,131 --> 00:34:22,496 Well, certainly as a female approaching puberty- 533 00:34:22,576 --> 00:34:25,781 -she does conform to the classic, typical poltergeist focus. 534 00:34:26,683 --> 00:34:28,687 Broken family background, she's introverted. 535 00:34:28,807 --> 00:34:32,834 She tends maybe to direct her stress and anxiety inwards- 536 00:34:33,315 --> 00:34:35,410 -until it has nowhere to go, and then... 537 00:34:35,729 --> 00:34:36,760 - Pow. - I see. 538 00:34:36,922 --> 00:34:41,011 I think we've still got Mrs. Early there in our outside broadcast studio. 539 00:34:41,853 --> 00:34:42,773 Yes, there you are. 540 00:34:42,855 --> 00:34:46,884 Mrs. Early, I don't know quite if you heard that, what Dr. Pascoe was saying. 541 00:34:47,065 --> 00:34:51,234 She said that Suzanne was the classic, typical poltergeist focus. 542 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,160 She was the person who all this energy was focusing on. What do you think about that? 543 00:34:56,294 --> 00:34:59,278 Well, there's nothing wrong with my Suzie, I know that. 544 00:35:01,221 --> 00:35:04,505 If my Suzie's funny, well, how does that explain the other things? 545 00:35:05,687 --> 00:35:08,090 Like the Glory Hole? It doesn't, it can't. 546 00:35:08,751 --> 00:35:12,436 So you disagree with Dr. Pascoe's theory that Suzanne's psychological problems- 547 00:35:12,656 --> 00:35:14,238 -are the cause of these disturbances? 548 00:35:14,659 --> 00:35:18,459 I think what you're saying really is, in fact, that you believe it's an actual ghost. 549 00:35:19,143 --> 00:35:19,920 Don't you, Lin? 550 00:35:20,365 --> 00:35:24,231 Pam, I'm not disagreeing with you. Please believe me, I'm on your side. 551 00:35:24,331 --> 00:35:28,731 I know that there's something there. I'm just trying to understand what it is. 552 00:35:28,979 --> 00:35:31,263 A poltergeist can be location-based or person-based. 553 00:35:31,343 --> 00:35:33,166 I mean, who knows? Maybe this is both. 554 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,760 I mean, of course, a lot of people would have it that there's nothing there at all. 555 00:35:36,852 --> 00:35:39,372 Well, a lot of people would have it at one time that you couldn't walk on the moon. 556 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,989 All right, well, in order to avoid any accusations of bias, I'd like to bring in- 557 00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:48,617 -physicist Emilio Sylvestri, a former member of the Skeptic Society, CSICOP- 558 00:35:48,697 --> 00:35:52,844 -the Committee for the Scientific Investigation for Claims of the Paranormal. 559 00:35:53,024 --> 00:35:54,387 He's in New York. 560 00:35:54,667 --> 00:35:56,931 - Good evening, Dr Sylvestri. - Good evening. 561 00:35:57,091 --> 00:35:59,976 Thank you for joining us. You looked at the evidence in this case. 562 00:36:00,217 --> 00:36:02,160 I'd like to hear your conclusions. What are they? 563 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,424 Well, I think it's pretty obvious there's nothing in the tape that couldn't be faked. 564 00:36:08,686 --> 00:36:10,508 The bedroom footage is totally inconclusive. 565 00:36:10,908 --> 00:36:12,630 It could all be done with wires, for all we know. 566 00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:16,855 - And the lesions on Suzanne's face? - Scratched by her fingernails. 567 00:36:16,935 --> 00:36:20,459 - She's not lying. Believe her. - I'd love to. 568 00:36:21,340 --> 00:36:25,164 Same as I'd love to believe I'm going to heaven, but it doesn't make it a scientific fact. 569 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,160 But if people do believe in something, surely we shouldn't discount it. 570 00:36:28,248 --> 00:36:32,232 I mean, it's all part of human experience, and that's what we're studying. 571 00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:37,134 Fine, fine. But is it measurable? Is it provable? No. 572 00:36:38,035 --> 00:36:40,237 For years, parapsychologists have been trying- 573 00:36:40,317 --> 00:36:44,982 -to prove their loony theories in laboratory conditions, and they can't. 574 00:36:45,163 --> 00:36:46,203 Yeah, that's right. We can't. 575 00:36:46,364 --> 00:36:50,608 That's where we went wrong. There are some things you can't demonstrate in a lab. 576 00:36:50,769 --> 00:36:55,974 Show me falling in love in a lab. Show me poetic inspiration in a lab. 577 00:36:56,054 --> 00:36:58,037 You can't. You've got to get out of the lab and into real life- 578 00:36:58,117 --> 00:36:59,518 -and that's what we're trying to do tonight. 579 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,724 These people are not deceiving us or themselves. Look at them. 580 00:37:04,804 --> 00:37:07,948 They're in trauma for God's sake. Why would they do it to themselves? 581 00:37:08,028 --> 00:37:09,830 The Early family are suffering just like people who've had- 582 00:37:10,971 --> 00:37:13,133 -murder bereavements or plane crashes. 583 00:37:13,213 --> 00:37:16,536 The only difference is that nobody says that they don't believe in plane crashes. 584 00:37:17,778 --> 00:37:20,738 But most of us don't believe that people come back from them. 585 00:37:20,961 --> 00:37:25,045 See? That's it. - What you always forget, Emilio, is that you have a belief system, too. 586 00:37:25,426 --> 00:37:27,248 Your belief system is blanket denial. 587 00:37:27,328 --> 00:37:29,590 You joke about it because you're afraid to face it. 588 00:37:31,612 --> 00:37:32,593 That old chestnut. 589 00:37:32,673 --> 00:37:36,378 Look, Lin, you ought to be selling crystals on Venice Beach, or a palm reading- 590 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:42,366 -or a counsellor, a confidant, guide, maybe, but a scientist, I don't think so. 591 00:37:42,446 --> 00:37:44,909 Dr. Sylvestri, for the moment, thank you very much indeed. 592 00:37:44,989 --> 00:37:47,632 I hope you'll stay with us in our studio in New York. 593 00:37:47,833 --> 00:37:51,558 Keep an eye on what's happening here, and from time to time, give us a comment on proceedings. 594 00:37:51,638 --> 00:37:52,999 Thanks for joining us. 595 00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:53,840 Well, there you are, Lin. 596 00:37:54,301 --> 00:37:55,301 What do you think about that? 597 00:37:55,382 --> 00:37:57,685 CSICOP-people have nothing to do with parapsychology. 598 00:37:58,246 --> 00:38:00,589 - They're just a sign of the times. - In what way? 599 00:38:02,493 --> 00:38:05,558 They're the last of the materialists, like the last of the dinosaurs. 600 00:38:05,638 --> 00:38:08,438 - The world's changing. - Good doctor made you cross, didn't he? 601 00:38:10,625 --> 00:38:11,385 Right. What we'll do now- 602 00:38:11,486 --> 00:38:14,250 -let's go straight over to Sarah in Foxhill Drive. 603 00:38:15,392 --> 00:38:16,872 Sarah, what's happening there? 604 00:38:18,296 --> 00:38:19,217 Quite quiet, actually. 605 00:38:19,638 --> 00:38:20,760 A bit too quiet. 606 00:38:21,260 --> 00:38:24,825 Though I must say, earlier on, Suze turned off Dr. Sylvestri. 607 00:38:24,905 --> 00:38:26,387 I don't think she was that enamored. 608 00:38:26,828 --> 00:38:28,230 How does he know? He's not here. 609 00:38:28,328 --> 00:38:30,371 Well, in the moment we've got here now, Sarah- 610 00:38:30,691 --> 00:38:33,214 -perhaps you could tell us that ghost story you told us about earlier on. 611 00:38:33,454 --> 00:38:36,478 Oh, yes, all right. Well, I suppose it's a sort of ghost story. 612 00:38:36,558 --> 00:38:37,680 It happened... 613 00:38:38,621 --> 00:38:42,065 ...a couple of months ago now. We were staying at some friends of ours' home. 614 00:38:42,486 --> 00:38:46,631 They live in the Cotswolds. Beautiful 15th, 16th century house. 615 00:38:47,532 --> 00:38:53,239 And one night, I was woken up by the sound of this harpsichord music. 616 00:38:53,641 --> 00:38:55,102 It was like chamber music. 617 00:38:55,182 --> 00:39:00,107 But you know, when a noise comes into your dream, and you're not quite sure it's in a dream- 618 00:39:00,707 --> 00:39:03,790 -or whether it's actually happening, it was that kind of effect. 619 00:39:04,451 --> 00:39:06,613 But it woke me up nonetheless. 620 00:39:06,693 --> 00:39:09,936 And when I tried to get back to sleep again, I could still hear it. 621 00:39:10,596 --> 00:39:13,339 But all I could see was this Indian woman's face. 622 00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:16,602 And she had her hair sort of pulled across her forehead- 623 00:39:16,682 --> 00:39:19,504 -and then tightly back, and coal around her eyes. 624 00:39:19,825 --> 00:39:23,548 And her eyes were going from side to side, you know, like in Indian dancing. 625 00:39:23,628 --> 00:39:26,932 And slowly, the eyes lifted up and rolled right back- 626 00:39:27,012 --> 00:39:28,932 -until they were white, and then the face went. 627 00:39:29,494 --> 00:39:33,479 Well, next morning, I couldn't wait to tell everybody about this. 628 00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:38,825 And the people whose house it is, they told me- 629 00:39:38,905 --> 00:39:41,425 -that the house had once belonged to the Viceroy of India. 630 00:39:41,908 --> 00:39:45,372 And he had had two Indian concubines living in the house with him. 631 00:39:46,433 --> 00:39:49,953 And when they died, he couldn't bury them in consecrated ground. 632 00:39:50,157 --> 00:39:53,601 He wasn't allowed to. So he buried them out in his garden. 633 00:39:54,104 --> 00:39:58,200 And there had been talk in the village of actually- 634 00:39:58,289 --> 00:40:01,606 -digging up the grave to see what else was down there. 635 00:40:02,308 --> 00:40:04,668 And it became very clear to me that this was a sort of message to say- 636 00:40:04,755 --> 00:40:06,460 "No, don't, they mustn't do it." 637 00:40:07,064 --> 00:40:11,150 And so when I found out that they weren't in fact planning to do anything with the grave- 638 00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:15,816 -they wouldn't dream of it, I went back up to the bedroom and I just sort of said- 639 00:40:15,896 --> 00:40:17,398 "Don't worry, nothing's going to happen." 640 00:40:18,059 --> 00:40:20,583 And it was as though the atmosphere changed straight away. 641 00:40:21,464 --> 00:40:24,228 I have to say, Smithy was a bit scared the next night. 642 00:40:25,069 --> 00:40:26,429 He wouldn't admit it, but he was. 643 00:40:27,653 --> 00:40:30,917 But nothing happened and it was as though everything had gone calm again. 644 00:40:32,439 --> 00:40:35,063 But the important thing here, it wasn't scary at all. 645 00:40:35,684 --> 00:40:38,449 I mean, the music and the vision was very beautiful. 646 00:40:38,529 --> 00:40:41,314 But that's why I wanted to do this program, because it's intriguing. 647 00:40:41,615 --> 00:40:42,640 You all right? 648 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,000 OK. Yeah. Kim just wants to go to bed now. 649 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,080 It's a bit late. What time do you normally go to bed? 650 00:40:49,825 --> 00:40:51,333 - Eight o'clock. - Eight o'clock. Come on, then. 651 00:40:51,433 --> 00:40:53,136 You must be a bit tired. 652 00:40:55,208 --> 00:40:58,913 - I want to say hello to mum. - You want to just say hello to mum? OK. 653 00:40:58,993 --> 00:41:01,160 Well, tell you what, if you look up to that camera there- 654 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,822 -yeah, little thing there, and you speak into here, you can say goodnight to her. 655 00:41:04,902 --> 00:41:07,025 - Night, mum. - Night, love. Sweet dreams. 656 00:41:07,365 --> 00:41:10,550 - Night, Kim. - Remember, there's nothing to be scared of. 657 00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:12,200 To bed. 658 00:41:13,994 --> 00:41:15,917 You really think there's nothing to be scared of? 659 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,824 Well, in one sense, the paranormal is no more scary than the weather or the tides. 660 00:41:22,904 --> 00:41:25,984 I mean, all those things can harm us, but we can also understand them. 661 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:27,640 - Gonna leave that light on? - Yeah. 662 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:29,480 - All right. - Goodnight! 663 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,480 - Keep warm. - Yes. 664 00:41:36,316 --> 00:41:39,421 So, Sarah, got anything to report at all? 665 00:41:39,962 --> 00:41:44,008 No, nothing. Just the cold. It's typical, isn't it? 666 00:41:44,088 --> 00:41:46,151 A house full of technology, and nobody's bothered- 667 00:41:46,231 --> 00:41:48,815 -to find out whether the central heating switch is on. 668 00:41:49,576 --> 00:41:51,136 - You OK, Suzanne? - Yes, thanks. 669 00:41:51,219 --> 00:41:53,863 Plenty of crisps? Yeah? Good. All right. 670 00:41:55,185 --> 00:41:57,408 Now, guys, I think we've earned ourselves a cup of coffee, don't you? 671 00:41:59,076 --> 00:42:00,473 Pam told me where everything was. 672 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,480 It's there. 673 00:42:03,919 --> 00:42:07,040 - Mike, how do you take your coffee? - Black, one sugar please. 674 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,518 - Okay, What about you, Chris? - Milk, one sugar please. 675 00:42:14,892 --> 00:42:20,640 Do you know what? I think I'd almost feel happier if something was happening. 676 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:25,006 It's sort of eerier just waiting, really. Don't you find? 677 00:42:26,629 --> 00:42:29,699 I think I might have heard something earlier. Sort of... 678 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:34,960 Just like an animal scratching its feet, but they don't stick out in this camera at all. 679 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,080 - Don't they? - No. 680 00:42:36,683 --> 00:42:38,826 And I noticed earlier my watch had stopped. 681 00:42:39,707 --> 00:42:43,633 - Really? What time? When? - Just before we went on air. 682 00:42:45,436 --> 00:42:48,961 I said watches have a hard time. It's par for the course, I'm afraid. 683 00:42:49,041 --> 00:42:51,244 Fine. Just as long as we all know, eh? 684 00:42:51,744 --> 00:42:54,308 - Don't spook yourself. - No, it's all right. 685 00:42:54,968 --> 00:42:57,652 That's what we're being paid for. And we're OK anyway. 686 00:42:57,732 --> 00:43:01,532 Look - we've got an old hand to help us over here. Now just put the kettle on. 687 00:43:01,637 --> 00:43:04,420 - Do you want a cup of tea or coffee? - No thanks, I'm having orange juice. 688 00:43:04,841 --> 00:43:07,485 - Can you get me a glass, please? - Where? Are they just up here? 689 00:43:07,645 --> 00:43:10,946 - Yeah, that's right. - While you're in the fridge- 690 00:43:11,407 --> 00:43:13,670 - ...just pass us the milk. - Oh, yeah. Sure. 691 00:43:16,073 --> 00:43:17,780 A balancing act. There we are. 692 00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:22,863 - Mum! - Hello, love. Are you all right? 693 00:43:22,943 --> 00:43:24,545 - Yeah, I'm fine. Are you all right? - Yes. 694 00:43:27,469 --> 00:43:29,271 Well, there we are. So far, so good. 695 00:43:30,032 --> 00:43:33,617 Now, as you know, we asked you to join our exploration of the supernatural- 696 00:43:33,697 --> 00:43:35,339 -by telling us your ghost story. 697 00:43:35,419 --> 00:43:39,625 Well, here's someone with a tale to tell who wants to conceal his identity. 698 00:43:40,972 --> 00:43:42,013 We had this dreadful day... 699 00:43:43,495 --> 00:43:47,899 That first evening, with duvets being tugged off, etc, being quite amusing. 700 00:43:47,979 --> 00:43:49,020 We'd been laughing about it. 701 00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:54,906 It wasn't at all malevolent or nasty. But this particular day certainly was. 702 00:43:57,128 --> 00:43:59,070 One of the first incidents that day, we were eating lunch. 703 00:43:59,791 --> 00:44:03,274 And I think it was mackerel or something like that. 704 00:44:04,596 --> 00:44:06,658 We both looked down, this is my half sister again and me- 705 00:44:06,778 --> 00:44:10,962 -and saw...sort of like saliva all over the mackerel. 706 00:44:11,583 --> 00:44:12,525 Of course, we couldn't eat it. 707 00:44:13,507 --> 00:44:19,819 And shortly after that, I found, again, what looked like saliva on the front doorstep. 708 00:44:22,724 --> 00:44:24,668 I lost my temper with it for the first time. 709 00:44:24,748 --> 00:44:28,675 I say, it, this presence, whatever it was, and started shouting and swearing. 710 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:34,891 And immediately, again, spit, what looked like spit, appeared on my shoes, as if in retaliation. 711 00:44:35,343 --> 00:44:40,970 And either shortly before or shortly after this... This really was disgusting... 712 00:44:41,711 --> 00:44:47,579 We found excrement smeared on a cupboard door in the bathroom. 713 00:44:47,659 --> 00:44:53,647 We had already, in fact, found such things in various parts of the flat. 714 00:44:54,207 --> 00:44:57,472 This is the first time we actually found anything smeared like that on the door- 715 00:44:57,552 --> 00:44:59,272 -so it had to be cleared up, and it was really horrible. 716 00:45:01,313 --> 00:45:05,873 And from someone who believes in ghosts to someone who's not quite sure. 717 00:45:05,978 --> 00:45:07,538 Let's join Craig Charles. 718 00:45:09,312 --> 00:45:10,293 I bet that scared you, didn't it? 719 00:45:10,434 --> 00:45:13,878 No, this is not a mask. This is Craig Charles Live, you lucky people. 720 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,983 And here we have the thrill seekers, pillars of the community- 721 00:45:17,383 --> 00:45:19,666 -all waiting to see if the ghost is going to arrive. 722 00:45:20,007 --> 00:45:21,549 Welcome to Fright Night. 723 00:45:21,869 --> 00:45:25,029 Now, I'm going to give you a little guided tour of the community. 724 00:45:25,114 --> 00:45:28,939 And we're going to meet some people who are pretty upset about some weird goings-on. 725 00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:31,022 And we're going to go to a pretty sinister place. 726 00:45:31,322 --> 00:45:33,345 Let's break into a little bit of a jog, like. 727 00:45:33,865 --> 00:45:34,867 Gets me fit this job. 728 00:45:35,167 --> 00:45:36,990 I tell you what, Michael, I hate Halloween. 729 00:45:37,110 --> 00:45:39,013 I hate apples. I hate duck apples. 730 00:45:39,093 --> 00:45:41,817 I hate little kids all dressed up in... Like the devil. 731 00:45:42,137 --> 00:45:44,561 And I'm going to meet this woman, Yvonne Everly. 732 00:45:44,641 --> 00:45:48,006 And she's on this piece of waste ground here, I think. 733 00:45:48,086 --> 00:45:51,491 And she's going to tell us some pretty peculiar things. 734 00:45:52,954 --> 00:45:54,576 Yvonne Everly. Yvonne? 735 00:45:55,257 --> 00:45:56,739 Which one? You're Yvonne. OK. 736 00:45:57,100 --> 00:46:00,565 Yvonne, can you tell me about some of the things that have been going on around here? 737 00:46:00,764 --> 00:46:03,668 Well, we live opposite Pam at number 43. 738 00:46:03,789 --> 00:46:07,234 And one night, ages ago now, we had all this banging. 739 00:46:07,714 --> 00:46:09,177 So we went to the front door. 740 00:46:09,257 --> 00:46:10,999 And it was obvious it was coming from Pam's house. 741 00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:12,159 So what did you see? 742 00:46:12,241 --> 00:46:15,967 Well, the top window was smashed. And Pam and Kimmy were in the garden crying. 743 00:46:16,127 --> 00:46:18,671 So we made them a cup of tea. 744 00:46:18,751 --> 00:46:23,458 And they just come in to us whenever they need to, basically. 745 00:46:23,919 --> 00:46:25,061 It all sounds a little bit weird. 746 00:46:25,141 --> 00:46:28,105 What's it like living in England's answer to Amityville? 747 00:46:28,405 --> 00:46:31,197 Well, it's no joke. I mean, it's not very funny. 748 00:46:31,318 --> 00:46:33,768 I mean, some really weird and horrible things happen around here. 749 00:46:33,929 --> 00:46:35,395 What kind of weird things? 750 00:46:35,729 --> 00:46:37,972 Well, there was that wee girl that went missing. 751 00:46:38,093 --> 00:46:40,756 - Judy Welland. - Judy Welland. It was in all the papers. 752 00:46:41,076 --> 00:46:43,139 - What happened to her? - Nobody knows. 753 00:46:43,339 --> 00:46:45,142 I mean, she just disappeared. 754 00:46:45,242 --> 00:46:48,907 And then, well, I know you're always reading about people that were knifed- 755 00:46:48,987 --> 00:46:52,312 -and all that sort of thing, but somebody was knifed around here that was five years old. 756 00:46:52,752 --> 00:46:53,880 Five years old? 757 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,760 OK, can you tell me a little bit about this playground? 758 00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:01,264 - Yeah... Shall I go in? - Yeah, yeah. Come on. 759 00:47:01,447 --> 00:47:02,888 Well, it was this summer. 760 00:47:03,269 --> 00:47:07,353 My youngest son, Gary, came running into the house in a real state. 761 00:47:07,453 --> 00:47:11,397 So when I calmed him down, it seemed that they'd been playing in here. 762 00:47:11,917 --> 00:47:16,202 - And they'd found this dead black Labrador. - Where did they find it? 763 00:47:16,282 --> 00:47:18,544 - Well, it was about here. - And how had it died? 764 00:47:19,284 --> 00:47:21,487 Well, it had been cut open, like something in a butcher shop. 765 00:47:21,767 --> 00:47:23,929 Can you imagine the kind of person that would do something like that? 766 00:47:24,650 --> 00:47:25,551 And is that all that happened? 767 00:47:26,231 --> 00:47:29,074 Well, it was pregnant. There were foetuses scattered all over. 768 00:47:30,185 --> 00:47:33,571 - The kids weren't right for weeks. - I should imagine not. 769 00:47:33,651 --> 00:47:36,136 So, as you can see, this is a pretty sinister place. 770 00:47:36,617 --> 00:47:38,901 Now, I'm going to try and find the guy who tried unsuccessfully- 771 00:47:39,282 --> 00:47:42,287 -to exorcise Foxhill Drive - Mr Arthur Lacey. 772 00:47:42,628 --> 00:47:43,520 Arthur Lacey? 773 00:47:44,030 --> 00:47:45,532 Arthur Lacey. Come with me, Arthur. 774 00:47:46,615 --> 00:47:49,140 You got involved in your professional capacity, I believe. 775 00:47:49,220 --> 00:47:52,725 Well, not exactly. By profession, I'm a British rail guard. 776 00:47:52,925 --> 00:47:55,068 But in your spare time, you're a medium? 777 00:47:55,149 --> 00:47:56,851 - Well, I'm a spiritualist. - A spiritualist? 778 00:47:56,931 --> 00:47:59,895 Yes, and through God, I've been given the task, when I can- 779 00:47:59,975 --> 00:48:02,599 -to help spirits that may have lost their way. 780 00:48:02,859 --> 00:48:06,424 So you... You exorcised Foxhill Drive? 781 00:48:06,504 --> 00:48:10,030 Well, it wasn’t the Rituale Romanum - Bell, book, and candle 782 00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:13,735 No, I simply went and prayed with the family and offered a guiding light- 783 00:48:14,175 --> 00:48:17,760 - ...to whatever poor soul might need it. - And can you tell us what happened? 784 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,648 You know how they say that pigs can sense it before they get to the slaughterhouse? 785 00:48:22,570 --> 00:48:28,423 I had this overwhelming sense of evil, of... Spiritual decay is the only way I can describe it. 786 00:48:28,503 --> 00:48:32,171 I was physically sick for a week. I smelt blood on my hands. 787 00:48:32,251 --> 00:48:36,660 Something didn't want me near it. Didn't believe it was dead. 788 00:48:36,740 --> 00:48:42,189 So, do you believe there is such a thing as, I don't know, an evil place? 789 00:48:42,490 --> 00:48:44,954 Well, there are degrees, yes. Shades in all places. 790 00:48:45,034 --> 00:48:49,983 I mean, anyone who buys a house finds themselves weighing up those vibrations subconsciously. 791 00:48:50,063 --> 00:48:51,285 You see, I think that- 792 00:48:51,786 --> 00:48:55,612 -just as we are the product of our mothers and fathers and their mothers and fathers- 793 00:48:56,067 --> 00:49:00,463 -I think that places somehow inherit the genes from their past too, somehow. 794 00:49:00,543 --> 00:49:03,543 Yeah? - Ah, hey, trick-or-treaters, I think. 795 00:49:04,064 --> 00:49:05,426 - What's your name? - Katie. 796 00:49:05,506 --> 00:49:06,607 - And your name? - Billy. 797 00:49:06,867 --> 00:49:09,127 - Billy and Katie. Sounds a little bit like -- - Craig! 798 00:49:09,207 --> 00:49:11,974 Craig, I'm sorry to have to cut you off there. 799 00:49:12,214 --> 00:49:15,278 In fact, I've just heard that we've got to go back to Sarah. 800 00:49:15,859 --> 00:49:17,539 Sarah's got something important for us. 801 00:49:17,641 --> 00:49:18,240 Sarah? 802 00:49:19,344 --> 00:49:21,146 Yes, what is it? What you got? 803 00:49:22,067 --> 00:49:24,330 Yeah, we've definitely got something here. Just look at this. 804 00:49:25,593 --> 00:49:28,437 - Now, can you see this? - I certainly can, clearly. 805 00:49:28,657 --> 00:49:30,480 Well, there's no way it could have got there. 806 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,403 I thought maybe an old tomcat had got in or something. 807 00:49:33,624 --> 00:49:37,709 - Sarah, when did you see this? - Well, I took Suzanne up to bed. 808 00:49:38,330 --> 00:49:39,832 In fact, all of us went upstairs. 809 00:49:41,755 --> 00:49:45,019 Nobody was down here at all. 10 minutes ago, it wasn't here. 810 00:49:45,353 --> 00:49:49,341 Sarah, have you got a handkerchief? Can you see if the light fitting is working? 811 00:49:50,383 --> 00:49:53,449 Yeah, we'll do that for you. I'll turn the light off first. 812 00:49:55,827 --> 00:49:56,827 OK. 813 00:49:57,561 --> 00:49:58,910 Here we go. 814 00:50:00,298 --> 00:50:02,586 I'll put this... Hope it's strong enough to hold me. 815 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:04,789 There we are. 816 00:50:06,515 --> 00:50:09,438 - Anything? - There's nothing dripped off here, first of all. 817 00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:13,040 No stains on the ceiling? No? 818 00:50:14,123 --> 00:50:16,603 - The floor's concrete... - This is all completely dry. 819 00:50:16,686 --> 00:50:17,687 ...so it couldn't come from below. 820 00:50:17,767 --> 00:50:20,400 - Is there any smell, Sarah? - No, nothing. 821 00:50:21,271 --> 00:50:24,355 Can you smell the hanky, maybe? See if there's anything on that now. 822 00:50:24,975 --> 00:50:27,999 - Any odor? - The hanky? 823 00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:29,921 No. No. Can't smell anything at all. 824 00:50:31,383 --> 00:50:33,546 Can you take a sample for us? Have you got anything that you could...? 825 00:50:33,626 --> 00:50:36,793 Yeah. What can we use for a sample? Something to scrape it up. 826 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,466 - I got a lens duster. - Good, I -- That would do. 827 00:50:40,947 --> 00:50:41,347 Here we are. 828 00:50:41,427 --> 00:50:43,770 Yeah, we're going to use this to... Can I give you this hanky? 829 00:50:45,172 --> 00:50:48,236 See if we can suck some of... whatever it is up with this. 830 00:50:49,077 --> 00:50:49,680 Here we are. 831 00:50:49,758 --> 00:50:53,202 You see, look, it's typical. Typical poltergeist. 832 00:50:53,563 --> 00:50:57,848 If you pour water from a jug, it's almost impossible to avoid getting an erratic outline. 833 00:50:58,048 --> 00:51:00,391 These pools are perfectly oval. They're unbroken. 834 00:51:04,516 --> 00:51:06,559 - Oh, Suzanne! - Is she all right? 835 00:51:07,417 --> 00:51:10,002 - You OK? - Yeah, I've just got a bit of a icky tummy. 836 00:51:10,142 --> 00:51:13,768 Oh, let me get you some Enos or something. Hang on. 837 00:51:13,848 --> 00:51:18,356 Doctor, when they've got those samples that we saw them taking there- 838 00:51:19,578 --> 00:51:21,161 -what do you do with them when you've got the samples? 839 00:51:21,302 --> 00:51:23,702 Well, we'll test it to see if the calcium and the magnesium salts- 840 00:51:23,806 --> 00:51:25,806 -match the hardness of the local tap water. 841 00:51:26,170 --> 00:51:27,570 And where does it come from? 842 00:51:28,434 --> 00:51:29,240 Don't know. 843 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,360 Can't get any water out. 844 00:51:49,891 --> 00:51:51,000 Off now. 845 00:51:53,096 --> 00:51:54,438 There we are. Soaked. 846 00:51:55,659 --> 00:51:58,864 There you are, Suzanne. Sorry, I'm all wet. Let's go upstairs, shall we? 847 00:51:59,805 --> 00:52:04,112 Can I ask you now, Dr Pascoe, we've had a look at what's been happening there in the house. 848 00:52:04,372 --> 00:52:06,014 What, in fact, do you make of what we've seen? 849 00:52:06,535 --> 00:52:10,301 Well, poltergeist activity has a pattern, a menu, if you like. 850 00:52:11,562 --> 00:52:13,826 First there are the noises, the sounds, and then water. 851 00:52:14,727 --> 00:52:18,647 And then the third stage is physical phenomena, moving objects. 852 00:52:19,355 --> 00:52:21,518 And do you think that, in fact, what we've seen there... 853 00:52:21,658 --> 00:52:23,738 Is something starting to happen in Foxhill Drive? 854 00:52:24,242 --> 00:52:27,306 - Well, who knows? - Well, we shall find out, no doubt. 855 00:52:27,847 --> 00:52:29,349 Things have been happening in our phone rooms. 856 00:52:29,429 --> 00:52:31,472 We've got another caller on the line now. 857 00:52:31,552 --> 00:52:33,936 He's Kevin Tripp from Neath. 858 00:52:34,016 --> 00:52:35,398 Pick up the phone there, please, Doctor. 859 00:52:35,478 --> 00:52:36,560 Let's talk to Kevin. 860 00:52:37,441 --> 00:52:38,601 - Hello, Kevin. - Hello? 861 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:39,560 Yeah, hello. 862 00:52:40,545 --> 00:52:41,987 Do you have a story for us? 863 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:43,600 Yeah -- Can you hear me? 864 00:52:44,043 --> 00:52:45,725 Yes, yes, I can hear you fine. 865 00:52:45,805 --> 00:52:48,268 Yeah, I was just sitting here and stuff. 866 00:52:48,729 --> 00:52:51,653 - You ain't gonna believe this, I'm telling you. - Well, you try us, Kevin. 867 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,040 Well, my mates were around to watch the videos- 868 00:52:54,296 --> 00:52:57,420 -and we put on the programmes about ten minutes ago. 869 00:52:58,141 --> 00:53:01,425 I had this sandwich, a cheese and pickle sandwich it was. 870 00:53:02,146 --> 00:53:04,389 And, well, it frightened me to bugger it. 871 00:53:05,010 --> 00:53:08,234 I was minding my own business, and this dirty great plate- 872 00:53:08,314 --> 00:53:11,518 - ...sitting on the arm of my chair just dived off. - Sure, Kevin. 873 00:53:12,899 --> 00:53:16,345 It just leapt off with the mind of its bloody own it did. 874 00:53:16,866 --> 00:53:21,335 - Kevin, how close were you to the plate? - Miles away. 875 00:53:21,795 --> 00:53:24,320 My mates, they went white, they went. 876 00:53:26,604 --> 00:53:28,748 Yes, yes. All right, Kevin, I think we've had enough. 877 00:53:28,929 --> 00:53:32,916 I think I get the picture, certainly. Thank you very much indeed for calling. 878 00:53:33,301 --> 00:53:35,741 I suppose, in fact, we should have been prepared for that. 879 00:53:36,124 --> 00:53:39,268 I mean, it's Halloween night, home brew time and all that. 880 00:53:39,348 --> 00:53:42,071 I can see you're not as sceptical as I am, Doctor, about that last caller, all right. 881 00:53:42,692 --> 00:53:44,374 But really, serious calls, please. 882 00:53:44,774 --> 00:53:49,360 The lines are still open and we've got time for just one other call, I think. 883 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,102 No, in fact, we haven't. I'm sorry. 884 00:53:51,182 --> 00:53:55,326 Apparently, we've got to go straight back to Foxhill Drive where things are happening. 885 00:53:55,426 --> 00:53:57,629 - Sarah. - From in here, wasn't it? Did you hear it? 886 00:53:57,709 --> 00:53:59,632 - Yes, this way. - Where? 887 00:54:00,152 --> 00:54:02,835 You picking this up, too? Let's put the light on. 888 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,080 You're going to have to be -- Get it out of here. 889 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:07,920 Move the bed. 890 00:54:11,371 --> 00:54:12,240 You all right? 891 00:54:13,436 --> 00:54:16,804 Listen, I'll crawl down there, all right? 892 00:54:16,884 --> 00:54:18,347 Some scratching down here. 893 00:54:25,143 --> 00:54:26,384 It's moved. 894 00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:30,308 It's in the wardrobe. 895 00:54:30,972 --> 00:54:32,753 Let's get this out of the way. 896 00:54:35,257 --> 00:54:36,759 Can you hear this? 897 00:54:38,105 --> 00:54:39,412 Shut! I can't get it open. 898 00:54:39,502 --> 00:54:43,750 - Pipes! Pipes is downstairs! Downstairs! - ...says she can hear him in the kitchen! 899 00:54:44,279 --> 00:54:45,669 Now, you get back to bed. 900 00:54:45,749 --> 00:54:48,332 Just get back to bed! Yep, to bed, all right? 901 00:54:48,897 --> 00:54:51,223 Back into bed. - Downstairs. Come on. 902 00:54:56,488 --> 00:54:57,647 It's stopped. 903 00:54:58,568 --> 00:55:01,772 I can't hear anything now. 904 00:55:01,852 --> 00:55:03,273 What are these? 905 00:55:11,868 --> 00:55:13,271 They weren't here before. 906 00:55:16,964 --> 00:55:19,331 I didn't know they had a cat. Did you? 907 00:55:22,803 --> 00:55:25,270 I don't know what to do. Should we go back upstairs? 908 00:55:38,851 --> 00:55:40,654 Upstairs... The children! 909 00:55:40,815 --> 00:55:42,177 - Come on. - No, Sarah. 910 00:55:42,498 --> 00:55:43,560 Sarah, stay where you are, please. 911 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,440 Sarah, stay there. Please don't go upstairs. 912 00:55:46,145 --> 00:55:46,745 Why? 913 00:55:46,846 --> 00:55:50,040 Because we hear that Suzanne's got out of bed, but she's not yet appeared. 914 00:55:50,653 --> 00:55:52,213 She's not appeared on the landing. 915 00:55:53,278 --> 00:55:55,222 Suzanne, where is she? 916 00:55:57,586 --> 00:55:59,530 It could be a piece of its usual misdirection. 917 00:56:00,251 --> 00:56:01,360 Trust me, Sarah. 918 00:56:01,594 --> 00:56:02,440 Stay there. 919 00:56:06,762 --> 00:56:09,669 - Suzanne must still be in the bedroom. - But where? 920 00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:12,720 Perhaps out of camera range, right in the corner of the room. 921 00:56:13,811 --> 00:56:14,832 Can we cut to the hall camera? 922 00:56:15,634 --> 00:56:18,097 No, sorry. Sorry. The landing camera. 923 00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:21,902 No, the landing on the door. The other landing. 924 00:56:21,982 --> 00:56:23,003 That's it. And zoom in. 925 00:56:24,565 --> 00:56:26,628 Can we pan? Can we pan left? 926 00:56:28,410 --> 00:56:29,170 And down. 927 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,720 Clever kid! 928 00:56:43,887 --> 00:56:47,235 Suzanne, are you OK? Are you all right? 929 00:56:47,322 --> 00:56:48,769 - Come on. - It wasn't me. 930 00:56:48,849 --> 00:56:50,249 - It doesn't matter. - It wasn't me. 931 00:56:50,336 --> 00:56:51,501 It doesn't matter. 932 00:56:58,552 --> 00:57:00,094 Well, that's quite extraordinary. 933 00:57:00,174 --> 00:57:04,694 We set out to catch a ghost, and sadly, very sadly, what we witnessed- 934 00:57:04,781 --> 00:57:07,981 -was a remarkable exposure of a hoax. 935 00:57:08,089 --> 00:57:09,749 - Let's not be too hasty. - Oh, come on, Doctor, please. 936 00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:11,829 - We've surely got to accept we saw it there. - No, I don't. 937 00:57:11,932 --> 00:57:13,414 Look, this is an established pattern. 938 00:57:14,295 --> 00:57:16,238 Genuine phenomena followed by the fakery stage- 939 00:57:16,318 --> 00:57:18,038 -when the children feel obliged to come up with the goods. 940 00:57:18,241 --> 00:57:18,921 Doctor, really? 941 00:57:19,002 --> 00:57:20,745 I'm sorry, because... 942 00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:25,114 Well, I mean, after eight months of commitment and committed work like you've been through- 943 00:57:25,194 --> 00:57:27,778 -I can understand that you feel upset because you've been duped. 944 00:57:27,858 --> 00:57:30,680 I'd be the first to admit it if I was absolutely sure I had been duped. 945 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,840 - Oh, Doctor, really -- - Please don't be simplistic. 946 00:57:32,925 --> 00:57:35,969 This is one incident amongst many, many dozens. 947 00:57:36,049 --> 00:57:41,236 I was there. I've seen them. I've seen inexplicable things. 100%. No question. 948 00:57:41,877 --> 00:57:42,720 And this? 949 00:57:44,521 --> 00:57:48,446 Let's not get sidetracked, please. Let's not lose the scent. 950 00:57:50,529 --> 00:57:51,440 Maybe there's a kind of... 951 00:57:53,125 --> 00:57:54,247 ...ritualistic reason. 952 00:57:54,327 --> 00:57:57,871 It's like sympathetic magic, acting out what they want to happen- 953 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,720 -the invoking process that precedes the genuine appearance. 954 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,279 Doctor, before we get too involved in that kind of jargon- 955 00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:05,342 -let's see what Suzanne has to say about this. 956 00:58:05,702 --> 00:58:10,208 - She might... Sarah, is Suzanne able to... - Suzanne needs a glass of water right now. 957 00:58:11,951 --> 00:58:12,852 Can I talk to her? 958 00:58:12,932 --> 00:58:15,636 Well, I think I'd like to talk to her first of all, if you don't mind. 959 00:58:15,756 --> 00:58:18,720 - Where's my mum? - Suzanne, I'd like to talk to you. 960 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,159 - Did you put the writing in the school book? - I don't want to talk about it. 961 00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:27,383 - What about the noises in the wall? - I don't want to talk about it. 962 00:58:27,823 --> 00:58:30,125 What about the scratches on your face, Suzanne? 963 00:58:32,107 --> 00:58:33,889 - Mum! - It's all right, darling. Mum's here. 964 00:58:34,569 --> 00:58:35,991 It doesn't matter. Can you hear me? 965 00:58:36,191 --> 00:58:38,053 Why, Suzie? You can tell me. 966 00:58:38,133 --> 00:58:41,596 - To show them. - You didn't have to show them. Not like this. 967 00:58:44,178 --> 00:58:45,122 Why? 968 00:58:47,842 --> 00:58:49,423 Tell them you don't tell lies, Suzie. 969 00:58:52,897 --> 00:58:55,601 It's all a mistake. She doesn't know what she's... She doesn't know anything. 970 00:58:55,982 --> 00:58:56,840 Do you, love? 971 00:58:57,183 --> 00:59:00,148 - We thought you'd leave us. - You thought I'd leave you? 972 00:59:00,228 --> 00:59:03,994 - All we were were noises to you. - And you lied to make us stay. 973 00:59:04,815 --> 00:59:06,577 - Sometimes. - Only sometimes? 974 00:59:07,218 --> 00:59:11,144 It was what you wanted, wasn't it? We just gave you what you wanted. 975 00:59:11,224 --> 00:59:12,409 Stop it! 976 00:59:14,229 --> 00:59:18,415 Mrs Early, you've heard your daughter. She's admitted the entire thing was a deliberate fraud. 977 00:59:18,563 --> 00:59:23,591 No, I'm sorry. I don't accept that. Dr. Pascoe has seen and heard things, same as me. 978 00:59:24,072 --> 00:59:28,599 You can't just... Well, she's afraid. She's frightened. She doesn't know anything. 979 00:59:28,679 --> 00:59:30,522 But, Suzanne herself explained, Mrs. Early. 980 00:59:31,964 --> 00:59:35,610 My family are telling the truth. We're all telling the truth. 981 00:59:47,875 --> 00:59:53,560 Well, fortunately, after this turn of events, we're able to return to Dr. Emilio Sylvestri. 982 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,823 Dr. Sylvestri, who's in New York, joins us again now. 983 00:59:56,903 --> 01:00:00,786 Dr. Sylvestri, I imagine you're about to say "I told you so". 984 01:00:02,008 --> 01:00:07,653 Well, I don't get any vicarious thrill out of seeing parapsychology crucified in public- 985 01:00:07,733 --> 01:00:11,996 - ...but it does validate my hypothesis. - What hypothesis? 986 01:00:13,378 --> 01:00:16,060 - These are disturbed attention seekers. - Rubbish. 987 01:00:17,678 --> 01:00:18,892 You played into their hands. 988 01:00:19,353 --> 01:00:21,695 Prime time TV, Alice in Wonderland couldn't take it anymore- 989 01:00:21,915 --> 01:00:25,219 - ...the end of illusion -- - This is not the end, please believe me. 990 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,884 I almost... I almost feel whatever's in there- 991 01:00:28,964 --> 01:00:32,185 - ...it's deliberately muddying the waters. - Well, Dr. Pascoe- 992 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,771 -thank you. And Dr. Sylvestri, thank you, too, for joining us from New York. 993 01:00:35,851 --> 01:00:37,313 Thank you, and good night to you. 994 01:00:38,054 --> 01:00:39,814 A lot of activity in our phone room. 995 01:00:40,016 --> 01:00:43,740 You won't be amazed to hear that after what we've just seen in Foxhill Drive. 996 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:45,582 Mike Smith, what's happening? 997 01:00:45,662 --> 01:00:48,666 - What's the story? - Well, the strange thing is- 998 01:00:49,427 --> 01:00:52,867 -we're still getting calls about that shadowy figure that was seen- 999 01:00:52,952 --> 01:00:55,592 -in the haunted bedroom, or people think they've seen in the haunted bedroom. 1000 01:00:55,695 --> 01:00:59,135 Now, what's really weird is these are all tallying with the description. 1001 01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:00,462 These are all different phone calls. 1002 01:01:00,883 --> 01:01:03,887 They're generally all saying it's an old man or a woman- 1003 01:01:04,808 --> 01:01:10,456 -bald with a skull-like head, dark eyes, or some are just saying holes for eyes- 1004 01:01:11,036 --> 01:01:15,022 -and wearing a black robe or a dress which is buttoned up to the neck. 1005 01:01:15,102 --> 01:01:18,407 - So if anybody's seen this gentleman tonight -- - Michael, I'm sorry to interrupt- 1006 01:01:18,827 --> 01:01:21,611 -this is important. Can somebody in the gallery- 1007 01:01:22,011 --> 01:01:25,701 -tell me if it's possible to access the tape interviews I shot at the university, please? 1008 01:01:26,137 --> 01:01:28,248 - I'm sure it will be, yes. - In view of what's happened- 1009 01:01:28,328 --> 01:01:32,094 - ...there's a sequence I need to find. - Yeah, they're saying they can get to it- 1010 01:01:32,174 --> 01:01:35,951 -some time further on in the programme. Yes, okay. We can do that for you. 1011 01:01:36,492 --> 01:01:41,120 In the meantime, we'll have another Ghostwatch story. And then, after that- 1012 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:46,309 -I'd like to hear your opinion on what we saw a moment ago in Foxhill Drive. 1013 01:01:46,389 --> 01:01:50,055 Is all of this - all of this - a hoax, or, as Dr Pascoe believes- 1014 01:01:50,556 --> 01:01:54,963 -are things just about beginning to happen? Well, call me after this- 1015 01:01:55,484 --> 01:01:59,009 - true ghost story, coming up now. - When I was about 11 or 12- 1016 01:01:59,229 --> 01:02:02,072 -we moved to this large, old Devonshire house. 1017 01:02:02,553 --> 01:02:06,398 And part of the house was a lot older than the other part of the house. 1018 01:02:06,478 --> 01:02:08,120 And it had a nasty feeling. 1019 01:02:08,641 --> 01:02:10,823 It was cold. 1020 01:02:11,784 --> 01:02:14,187 Doors opened. Things fell off the wall. 1021 01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:16,160 Ornaments shattered. 1022 01:02:16,771 --> 01:02:19,171 And generally, it didn't have a nice feeling. 1023 01:02:19,254 --> 01:02:25,121 My bedroom was in part of that house, part of that old part of the house, and... 1024 01:02:25,201 --> 01:02:30,536 ...shadows would move at the end of my bed, so I asked for a nightlight. 1025 01:02:30,656 --> 01:02:32,501 I asked a grown-up, I think it was my grandmother- 1026 01:02:34,346 --> 01:02:36,010 -which made the situation worse, in a way. 1027 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:43,514 Can we just clear the set? 1028 01:02:44,657 --> 01:02:47,542 Well, something's gone very wrong with that ghost story. 1029 01:02:47,622 --> 01:02:49,806 Probably our poltergeist. What do you think, Dr. Pascoe? 1030 01:02:50,588 --> 01:02:55,297 Anyway, we'll try to get back to that before the end of the program. 1031 01:02:55,798 --> 01:02:56,980 Meanwhile, what do we do? 1032 01:02:57,550 --> 01:03:00,655 We go back to your calls, that's what we do - Mike Smith. 1033 01:03:01,916 --> 01:03:05,462 The only one I've got for you at the moment is this woman - try her. 1034 01:03:06,183 --> 01:03:08,687 She wants to remain anonymous, wants to take part of the programme- 1035 01:03:08,767 --> 01:03:10,350 -but insists on anonymity. Try her. 1036 01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:12,472 OK, Mike, thanks. Doctor, pick the phone up. 1037 01:03:13,914 --> 01:03:15,056 - Hello? - Hello? 1038 01:03:15,704 --> 01:03:17,079 - Yes. - Hello, am I on? 1039 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,986 Yes, you're on BBC One's Ghostwatch. 1040 01:03:21,105 --> 01:03:22,347 Now, what do you want to tell me about? 1041 01:03:24,510 --> 01:03:26,713 We've got this big glass table. 1042 01:03:27,166 --> 01:03:30,791 My husband just rested one finger on it, and it exploded. 1043 01:03:31,592 --> 01:03:32,720 Glass everywhere. 1044 01:03:33,335 --> 01:03:34,737 His face and hands were cut. 1045 01:03:35,778 --> 01:03:37,060 There's blood on the wallpaper. 1046 01:03:38,442 --> 01:03:39,744 The ambulance has just gone. 1047 01:03:40,925 --> 01:03:43,509 My children are frightened. Why are you doing this? 1048 01:03:44,129 --> 01:03:45,531 I'm sure your children are in shock. 1049 01:03:47,278 --> 01:03:50,559 Also I want to say I think it's high time, probably, that your kids were in bed. 1050 01:03:50,979 --> 01:03:52,982 I mean, it is past the 9 o'clock watershed, isn't it? 1051 01:03:53,062 --> 01:03:56,447 That's it. That's just it. They won't go to bed. 1052 01:03:56,697 --> 01:03:58,752 I can't drag them away from the TV. 1053 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:00,827 I tell them to look what time it is- 1054 01:04:00,907 --> 01:04:04,014 - ...but the clock still shows 9.30. - Excuse me- 1055 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,440 - ...have all your clocks stopped? - I don't know what's going on. 1056 01:04:07,604 --> 01:04:09,348 They won't take their eyes off the set. 1057 01:04:10,591 --> 01:04:11,854 And there's blood. 1058 01:04:12,323 --> 01:04:14,843 There's blood all over the wallpaper. 1059 01:04:15,088 --> 01:04:17,311 Look, it's Halloween. They're overexcited. 1060 01:04:17,972 --> 01:04:19,415 You've had a terrible accident. 1061 01:04:19,495 --> 01:04:24,002 Now, please, would you switch off the TV and please send your kids to bed? 1062 01:04:24,864 --> 01:04:26,667 Thanks for calling us, but we've got to move on. 1063 01:04:26,747 --> 01:04:28,169 - Thank you, love. - No, don't let her- 1064 01:04:28,249 --> 01:04:31,789 -I'm sorry, she's gone. - Listen- 1065 01:04:31,929 --> 01:04:33,590 -please, if you're still there. 1066 01:04:34,792 --> 01:04:37,755 Don't touch anything. And if you can, take a photograph. 1067 01:04:37,835 --> 01:04:41,779 - Now, this is very valuable evidence -- - I'm going to say to everyone watching- 1068 01:04:41,919 --> 01:04:45,683 -please, please, we don't want to give anybody sleepless nights. 1069 01:04:45,763 --> 01:04:49,206 We don't want to start panic. Don't let your imaginations run riot. 1070 01:04:49,286 --> 01:04:52,349 These things we're talking about are very, very rare indeed. 1071 01:04:52,429 --> 01:04:56,514 And the chance of them happening to you are exceedingly remote. 1072 01:04:56,594 --> 01:05:00,064 Please, believe us. Right, now, I think that, Dr Pascoe- 1073 01:05:00,144 --> 01:05:03,911 -that tape you wanted, that interview you did some months ago- 1074 01:05:04,071 --> 01:05:06,235 -with Kim Early, I think that's ready now. 1075 01:05:06,315 --> 01:05:08,700 I think we can go to it. It's coming up now. There you are. 1076 01:05:09,321 --> 01:05:12,948 - So have you ever seen him, then, Kimmy? - Pipes? Yeah. 1077 01:05:14,210 --> 01:05:17,977 And what's he look like? Can you describe him to me, then? 1078 01:05:18,057 --> 01:05:20,181 Well, he's really old. 1079 01:05:20,701 --> 01:05:25,626 This eye's got all... Blood all over his eye and scratch...coming out. 1080 01:05:25,706 --> 01:05:30,171 And then he's bald over his head. And then he's got a nose. 1081 01:05:30,932 --> 01:05:33,833 And in the middle, it's got a scratch all the way down his... 1082 01:05:36,338 --> 01:05:38,560 - And he's got a dress on. - Does he? 1083 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:44,486 Yeah. It's all really long. And it's black. It's got buttons all the way down. 1084 01:05:44,566 --> 01:05:46,208 And then lots of petticoats underneath. 1085 01:05:46,288 --> 01:05:48,150 - Can we replay it? - Sure. Sure, we can. 1086 01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:49,932 Back to the start of the description. 1087 01:05:50,312 --> 01:05:53,223 Can we roll it back, VT? Back to the start of it. 1088 01:05:54,588 --> 01:05:55,471 - There? - Yeah. 1089 01:05:55,551 --> 01:05:57,458 Well, he's really old. 1090 01:05:57,893 --> 01:06:02,841 This eye's got all... Blood all over his eye and scratch...coming out. 1091 01:06:02,921 --> 01:06:04,824 And then he's bald over his head. 1092 01:06:06,207 --> 01:06:09,712 Do you see what I mean? Kim's description exactly matches- 1093 01:06:09,792 --> 01:06:11,755 -what Mike's been getting on the phones. 1094 01:06:11,916 --> 01:06:17,826 Old, man, bald, skull-like head, dark eyes, wearing a black dress. 1095 01:06:19,048 --> 01:06:20,270 She says it's black. 1096 01:06:21,371 --> 01:06:22,799 - Buttoned. - Well, could they have read- 1097 01:06:22,879 --> 01:06:26,079 - the descriptions in a newspaper? - There's been nothing in the newspapers. 1098 01:06:26,283 --> 01:06:30,528 Not containing that description. It's not appeared in print one single time, I assure you. 1099 01:06:31,049 --> 01:06:33,452 - Then what are you saying? - Well, we were drawn to assuming- 1100 01:06:33,692 --> 01:06:35,914 -it was Suzanne at the center of this because she's at puberty. 1101 01:06:35,994 --> 01:06:37,436 But what if she isn't? What if it's Kim? 1102 01:06:38,898 --> 01:06:40,821 - We've been looking at the wrong person. - Exactly. 1103 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,864 Fascinating. Sarah seems to be trying to get our attention. 1104 01:06:45,646 --> 01:06:49,450 Quite agitated. - Sarah, what is it? - Thank you. It's Pamela. Listen to this. 1105 01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:57,061 - Cats. It's like cats. Can you hear it? - Where, Pam? 1106 01:06:57,399 --> 01:07:02,036 It's all... It's all around us. Like they're trapped, somewhere - do you hear it? 1107 01:07:02,948 --> 01:07:04,548 Cat's running round up there on the ceiling. 1108 01:07:04,650 --> 01:07:08,194 - Can you hear anything, Sarah? - Yes. Yeah, I can hear it now. She's right. 1109 01:07:08,491 --> 01:07:11,411 - Mum? - What is it, Kim? 1110 01:07:11,498 --> 01:07:14,762 - What's wrong with Suzie? - What do you mean, what's wrong, Kimmy? 1111 01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:22,640 Suzanne? 1112 01:07:23,963 --> 01:07:25,125 Suzanne, are you OK? 1113 01:07:25,225 --> 01:07:27,708 It's all right, love. Don't get upset, love. Your mum's here. 1114 01:07:28,389 --> 01:07:29,710 Oh, dear God. 1115 01:07:32,834 --> 01:07:35,234 What do you want us to do? What should we do? 1116 01:07:35,337 --> 01:07:37,941 - Sarah, are you all right? - Get away. Get away from me. 1117 01:07:38,221 --> 01:07:40,124 They have to stay. They have to see everything. 1118 01:07:40,664 --> 01:07:42,927 Sarah, it's all right. Don't worry. 1119 01:07:43,362 --> 01:07:46,266 - Some kind of allergenic psychosomatic -- - Could be self-mutilation. 1120 01:07:46,346 --> 01:07:48,066 She could have done it with her own fingernails, you know. 1121 01:07:48,149 --> 01:07:50,312 They're saying she used her own fingernails for this. 1122 01:07:50,953 --> 01:07:54,117 Fingernails? What flaming fingernails? 1123 01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:57,602 Look, what do you want us to do? 1124 01:07:58,203 --> 01:08:00,466 Sarah, don't worry. I've seen it before. It will subside. 1125 01:08:00,826 --> 01:08:03,239 - Feel her temperature. - She's burning up. 1126 01:08:03,439 --> 01:08:07,079 - Get off me. Don't touch me. - It's like a meat locker in here. It's so cold. 1127 01:08:07,179 --> 01:08:10,383 But we can't move because she's in agony, and she won't even let me touch her. 1128 01:08:10,463 --> 01:08:14,788 - What do you want me to do? - Well, get a flannel and get some water. 1129 01:08:14,868 --> 01:08:17,153 Yeah, come on. We'll get out of here. Come on. 1130 01:08:22,057 --> 01:08:25,229 Sorry, I didn't mean to drag you out. I just think they need a bit of time here. 1131 01:08:28,662 --> 01:08:30,067 - Oh, God. - What is it? 1132 01:08:30,679 --> 01:08:32,541 It's behind the door. 1133 01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:38,629 - I saw somebody standing behind the door. - Nobody there now. 1134 01:08:39,447 --> 01:08:40,200 Sorry. 1135 01:08:43,728 --> 01:08:46,332 Pipes says she's got to be punished. Pipes says she's the bad girl. 1136 01:08:46,412 --> 01:08:48,328 Darling, it's all right. Just be quiet. 1137 01:08:51,533 --> 01:08:53,177 Sarah, should we send someone in now? 1138 01:08:54,608 --> 01:08:56,190 No, God knows how she'd react. 1139 01:08:56,270 --> 01:08:59,372 Just let... Let's let everything settle down now. 1140 01:09:00,673 --> 01:09:03,296 We've got to stay. Pipes says we've got to stay. 1141 01:09:05,845 --> 01:09:06,720 I should tell you- 1142 01:09:06,878 --> 01:09:10,222 -if you joined to see the next program that in fact we're staying- 1143 01:09:10,523 --> 01:09:13,225 -with what we have here from Foxhill Drive because the events- 1144 01:09:14,297 --> 01:09:16,788 -are so remarkable and dramatic that we'll be staying with them- 1145 01:09:17,429 --> 01:09:19,045 -for as long as we have to. 1146 01:09:21,948 --> 01:09:24,075 Pam, is it worse than it was before? 1147 01:09:27,413 --> 01:09:32,398 Doctor, what about your theory that, in fact- 1148 01:09:32,498 --> 01:09:36,022 -Kimmy was the focus for the poltergeist activity? 1149 01:09:37,043 --> 01:09:38,555 What does this mean now? 1150 01:09:41,967 --> 01:09:43,169 Well, maybe they're both involved. 1151 01:09:44,770 --> 01:09:47,113 I mean, maybe it's like a tandem effect. 1152 01:09:47,433 --> 01:09:51,096 Kim's creating the energy, and Suzanne is- 1153 01:09:51,177 --> 01:09:54,420 - ...directing the violence in on herself. - First Suzanne... 1154 01:09:56,033 --> 01:09:58,487 ...then Kimmy, then this. 1155 01:09:59,717 --> 01:10:00,917 You don't know, do you? 1156 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,642 No, I don't. 1157 01:10:06,484 --> 01:10:07,851 I've got to come in here. We've got a- 1158 01:10:08,261 --> 01:10:11,629 -a very important phone call, which I think you both should take right now. 1159 01:10:12,370 --> 01:10:13,133 Doctor. 1160 01:10:15,253 --> 01:10:17,135 - Hello, who am I talking to? - Oh, hello. 1161 01:10:17,355 --> 01:10:18,917 My name's Mary Christopher- 1162 01:10:19,117 --> 01:10:23,597 -and I just wanted to phone and tell you about this... Well, about my mother, really. 1163 01:10:24,718 --> 01:10:28,743 We were Northolt born and bred. And us children- 1164 01:10:28,862 --> 01:10:31,942 -if we were naughty or couldn't get to sleep, our mum used to say- 1165 01:10:32,082 --> 01:10:35,545 "Mother Seddons will come to get you." Used to scare us... 1166 01:10:36,206 --> 01:10:38,228 ...rigid. I don't know why she did. 1167 01:10:38,308 --> 01:10:40,670 Parents do do some awful and daft things, don't they, Mary? 1168 01:10:41,171 --> 01:10:44,554 Yeah. Well, years later, I found out that she really did exist, and- 1169 01:10:45,035 --> 01:10:47,017 -she was a baby farmer, like a childminder. 1170 01:10:47,097 --> 01:10:49,961 She used to take kids in, but she used to kill them. 1171 01:10:50,041 --> 01:10:52,965 And she'd drown them in the big coppers. 1172 01:10:53,045 --> 01:10:58,313 And why I'm ringing is she used to live in one of the old terraces in Foxhill by the railway- 1173 01:10:58,393 --> 01:11:01,176 -as it was then, and is now Foxhill Drive. 1174 01:11:01,276 --> 01:11:05,302 And I'm just sure it's where those poor girls live now. 1175 01:11:05,843 --> 01:11:08,306 And really, that's all I have to say. I just wanted to make sure you knew. 1176 01:11:08,927 --> 01:11:10,830 Thanks for your call, Mary. Thanks very much for calling me. 1177 01:11:11,785 --> 01:11:12,896 Sarah, I wonder- 1178 01:11:13,715 --> 01:11:16,869 -Sarah, did you hear any of that? Sarah, can you hear me? 1179 01:11:16,970 --> 01:11:19,177 - Could I talk to Sarah, please? - Mike, it's all right. 1180 01:11:19,296 --> 01:11:23,155 I can hear you. I'm fine. Suzanne's feeling a bit better now. 1181 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,523 We still don't know how the scratches got on her face. 1182 01:11:26,678 --> 01:11:29,621 But we feel it's probably best to get the girl out of the house now. 1183 01:11:31,283 --> 01:11:33,645 Things are still feeling a bit strange. 1184 01:11:33,785 --> 01:11:37,108 No, we're not! Get it off! I've got to talk to somebody. 1185 01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:44,447 Kimmy? Who? Kim, who are you talking to? 1186 01:11:46,231 --> 01:11:47,080 Pipes. 1187 01:11:48,777 --> 01:11:49,798 Where's Pipes? 1188 01:11:50,861 --> 01:11:51,600 Here. 1189 01:11:53,186 --> 01:11:57,115 - What does he look like, Kimmy? - Like somebody's mum. 1190 01:11:57,635 --> 01:12:00,001 I'd like both of those children out of that house. 1191 01:12:00,081 --> 01:12:02,420 I'd like somebody to take care of Suzanne as well. 1192 01:12:02,821 --> 01:12:05,221 Please, let's have the kids out of the house. Please, could we? 1193 01:12:05,324 --> 01:12:07,764 - I'm not a baby! - No, you lied, you said you'd stay! 1194 01:12:08,079 --> 01:12:10,669 We will stay with you. What was that? 1195 01:12:11,851 --> 01:12:12,792 Where are we going? 1196 01:12:13,172 --> 01:12:17,057 Just outside. Come on. Downstairs. Just outside. 1197 01:12:22,542 --> 01:12:24,582 I don't want to go! Pipes says we've got to stay. 1198 01:12:24,665 --> 01:12:28,429 Pipes wants to see everybody. Look, everybody wants to see him. 1199 01:12:28,689 --> 01:12:32,715 Hopefully the children are on their way out of the house now. 1200 01:12:33,595 --> 01:12:37,025 Once they are, I suppose, that'll be the end of our programme, the end of our- 1201 01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,000 -Ghostwatch programme. I hope they... 1202 01:12:40,124 --> 01:12:41,124 ...they are out shortly. 1203 01:12:42,025 --> 01:12:45,990 As we wait for them to come out, we'll go over to our phone-in studio. 1204 01:12:46,491 --> 01:12:47,672 Mike, what's been happening? 1205 01:12:48,252 --> 01:12:52,009 Well, it's understandably fairly chaotic here. We're getting- 1206 01:12:52,728 --> 01:12:55,351 -all sorts of calls. In Derby, someone was ringing- 1207 01:12:55,431 --> 01:12:58,495 - to say that her clock had stopped. - Again, a clock stopping. 1208 01:12:58,595 --> 01:13:01,021 Ken and Joyce Shrivener from Telford in Shropshire- 1209 01:13:01,101 --> 01:13:05,931 -their radio has gone dead and the microwave oven is pinging repetitively. 1210 01:13:06,811 --> 01:13:08,916 Where are they happening? I mean, is there a geographical pattern? 1211 01:13:09,436 --> 01:13:10,718 How many of these incidents are there? 1212 01:13:10,938 --> 01:13:13,302 I don't know how many of these to take with a pinch of salt. 1213 01:13:13,382 --> 01:13:16,628 Mrs Pinder from Chepstow, her dog won't stop barking. 1214 01:13:17,248 --> 01:13:19,688 In fact, we have loads of instances recorded here this evening- 1215 01:13:19,772 --> 01:13:22,535 -of pets acting up all through the programme. Mr Naro from Cheltenham- 1216 01:13:23,555 --> 01:13:25,541 -says his son is making glasses break. 1217 01:13:26,421 --> 01:13:29,747 I'm sure we can assume that many, if not all, of these calls are jokes. 1218 01:13:29,827 --> 01:13:31,990 I'm more interested in what's happening at the house. 1219 01:13:32,231 --> 01:13:34,031 - Are they all out yet? - No, no, wait, wait, wait! 1220 01:13:34,174 --> 01:13:39,550 Wait. We've got one here. Just in the last few minutes, a young lady, very distressed- 1221 01:13:39,630 --> 01:13:41,921 -in response to something that we showed earlier on- 1222 01:13:42,001 --> 01:13:44,649 -and she's hung up before we've had a chance to talk to her. 1223 01:13:44,729 --> 01:13:47,093 So the point is there's someone here who can take your call now. 1224 01:13:47,173 --> 01:13:48,815 We need to talk to you. Could you call back? 1225 01:13:48,955 --> 01:13:50,998 - Can we talk to these people? - Let's get back to Sarah. 1226 01:13:51,078 --> 01:13:53,402 Sarah... Sarah, are you all right? 1227 01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,803 I'm sorry, I can hardly hear you. 1228 01:14:00,814 --> 01:14:01,795 ...you can hear what I'm saying. 1229 01:14:03,336 --> 01:14:08,981 Suzanne's a lot quieter now, but they won't move. 1230 01:14:10,082 --> 01:14:11,043 They won't listen to me. 1231 01:14:11,924 --> 01:14:15,267 I think Suzanne's in some kind of a state of shock. 1232 01:14:17,508 --> 01:14:19,253 What do I do? I can't leave them. 1233 01:14:20,259 --> 01:14:21,896 Sorry, I've got to take this out. 1234 01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:23,810 ...terrible noise. 1235 01:14:25,460 --> 01:14:28,684 I don't know what's going on. Can you hear this? 1236 01:14:28,764 --> 01:14:32,449 Smithy? Michael? Dr. Pascoe? 1237 01:14:33,169 --> 01:14:37,217 There are incredible noises coming from the walls and from the ceiling. 1238 01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,309 Jesus. 1239 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,061 Kimmy? Kim? 1240 01:14:42,382 --> 01:14:44,565 - Where are you? - Can't you do something? 1241 01:14:46,419 --> 01:14:47,320 Suzie. 1242 01:14:47,559 --> 01:14:49,630 What big eyes you have. 1243 01:14:50,559 --> 01:14:52,507 - What big lips you have. - Stop it! 1244 01:14:53,388 --> 01:14:54,329 Stop it, Suzie! 1245 01:14:55,290 --> 01:14:57,313 Suzanne, you're coming with me. Suzanne! 1246 01:14:58,394 --> 01:15:01,398 You're coming... Suzanne! Listen to me, Suzie! 1247 01:15:03,020 --> 01:15:07,126 Suzie, can you hear me? Suzanne, do you hear me? 1248 01:15:07,206 --> 01:15:12,753 Yes! Yes. Get out. Get out if you don't want to be here. 1249 01:15:12,833 --> 01:15:15,156 I don't care. You just mess things up. 1250 01:15:16,277 --> 01:15:17,539 You mess everything up. 1251 01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:20,800 I hate you. 1252 01:15:22,312 --> 01:15:23,794 Kimmy! 1253 01:15:24,214 --> 01:15:27,019 Kimmy, if you can hear me, just shout. 1254 01:15:27,641 --> 01:15:29,724 Let me know where you are so that we can help you. 1255 01:15:31,487 --> 01:15:32,400 Kimmy! 1256 01:15:36,155 --> 01:15:36,960 Kim! 1257 01:15:38,258 --> 01:15:39,581 Just say something. 1258 01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:44,960 Kimmy. 1259 01:15:47,293 --> 01:15:48,235 Kimmy! 1260 01:16:05,819 --> 01:16:07,248 It's Bubby. 1261 01:16:10,365 --> 01:16:11,702 It's the fridge. 1262 01:16:19,722 --> 01:16:20,720 Kimmy. 1263 01:16:21,445 --> 01:16:22,640 Come on, darling. 1264 01:16:23,928 --> 01:16:25,048 - Pipes said to do it. - Why? 1265 01:16:25,130 --> 01:16:27,153 Pipes said he is a bad bunny, Bubby. 1266 01:16:28,475 --> 01:16:29,417 Here are his eyes. 1267 01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:32,802 What's that noise? 1268 01:16:35,515 --> 01:16:36,517 Mike, where's it coming from? 1269 01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:38,400 Well, look at... 1270 01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:41,600 It's just like an earthquake. 1271 01:16:46,792 --> 01:16:47,560 Mike? 1272 01:16:48,374 --> 01:16:49,997 It's in here. It's in the Glory Hole. 1273 01:16:50,077 --> 01:16:52,720 Can you just stay back over there, darling? Stay over there. 1274 01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,480 - It's in there. - Yeah, OK. 1275 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,560 Just pull it aside. 1276 01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:10,720 Shall I get them out of the kitchen drawer? 1277 01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,560 OK, this way. Yeah. 1278 01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:35,040 Mike? Oh, my God, what's happened? 1279 01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,160 Are you OK? Oh, look. Chris... Stay there. 1280 01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:40,680 - I'm going to go and get help, all right? - OK. 1281 01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:41,880 - Just stay there with him. - Yeah. 1282 01:17:43,058 --> 01:17:44,080 Suzanne. 1283 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:45,960 He's touching me. 1284 01:17:46,142 --> 01:17:47,040 Suzanne. 1285 01:17:47,864 --> 01:17:50,647 He's hurting me. He's hurting me. 1286 01:17:51,668 --> 01:17:53,410 Get off me. Get away. 1287 01:17:53,511 --> 01:17:55,113 Get off me! 1288 01:17:55,193 --> 01:17:56,694 No, go away. 1289 01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:58,762 Mum, help me! 1290 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,160 Don't leave me, Mum. 1291 01:18:04,362 --> 01:18:06,762 Have we lost the link completely? 1292 01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:09,263 - No, there's nothing. - Hang on. Well, yeah, we're on. 1293 01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:11,320 Please tell me... 1294 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:12,815 We've lost him. We've lost the link. 1295 01:18:12,895 --> 01:18:15,199 Well, the light's on. We are definitely on. 1296 01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,320 - Sorry, there seems to be a bit of a... - OK, we can't get it back. 1297 01:18:17,403 --> 01:18:19,586 ...bit of a balls-up in TV speak, I think we can say. 1298 01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,640 - You must be able to get it back somehow. - We're finding out. 1299 01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,504 Well, nothing to report so far from the house. 1300 01:18:27,939 --> 01:18:29,762 It all seems very quiet and peaceful. 1301 01:18:30,232 --> 01:18:32,112 I know, and I'll tell you the truth, I'm not really bothered. 1302 01:18:32,194 --> 01:18:34,114 I didn't really want the scoop on the headless horseman. 1303 01:18:34,216 --> 01:18:35,877 I mean, like, where do you put your microphone? 1304 01:18:38,380 --> 01:18:41,100 Is somebody speaking to them? What's everybody doing up there? 1305 01:18:41,202 --> 01:18:42,920 You're following me around, you kids, aren't you? 1306 01:18:43,685 --> 01:18:44,640 I think we're off again now. 1307 01:18:51,292 --> 01:18:55,292 I wish someone would have said we were on then, you know, I'm chatting away and... 1308 01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,343 Only at the BBC, love. 1309 01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:02,720 I think... 1310 01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,869 - OK, so somehow -- - Just a minute, sorry. 1311 01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,960 We're back! Back in Foxhill Drive. 1312 01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:09,400 - Oh, fantastic. - God. 1313 01:19:11,696 --> 01:19:13,776 Still no sound, but it looks peaceful enough, doesn't it? 1314 01:19:13,858 --> 01:19:15,418 Yes, it does. 1315 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,320 Where's the sound man? I assume they've got him out, actually, obviously. 1316 01:19:20,324 --> 01:19:21,625 And back to normal. 1317 01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:22,560 You look happy. 1318 01:19:22,806 --> 01:19:25,520 Mike Smith breathes a sigh of relief, no doubt. 1319 01:19:25,849 --> 01:19:31,320 Yeah. No, I'm delighted. I was ready to... I don't know. 1320 01:19:32,421 --> 01:19:35,621 Well, panic over, hopefully. 1321 01:19:37,809 --> 01:19:38,851 Can we see the rest of the house? 1322 01:19:40,033 --> 01:19:43,258 I'm sure we can. I'd like to talk to Sarah as well. 1323 01:19:43,338 --> 01:19:47,520 While we're working on trying to talk to Sarah again, perhaps- 1324 01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:51,950 -there's time to take one of those many phone calls that are stacking up. - Mike? 1325 01:19:53,593 --> 01:19:54,640 Yeah, I'd be delighted. 1326 01:19:54,795 --> 01:19:55,880 Who is the next caller? 1327 01:19:56,337 --> 01:19:57,799 Talk to him. 1328 01:19:59,821 --> 01:20:01,423 Hello, your name is? 1329 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:03,640 I don't want to give me name, but I think I have- 1330 01:20:03,733 --> 01:20:06,107 -some information for you about the history of the house. 1331 01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:08,840 - What do you know about it? - We've been into all that. 1332 01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:12,564 We've got the deeds and searches going back to the year it was built- 1333 01:20:12,644 --> 01:20:16,518 -and the history of the site as far as the Domesday Book and the ley lines. 1334 01:20:16,938 --> 01:20:18,320 Do you know Mr. and Mrs. Sellers? 1335 01:20:19,581 --> 01:20:20,862 Yes, they're on our list of tenants. 1336 01:20:20,942 --> 01:20:25,080 - They lived there in the 60s, I think. - Did you know they sublet a room? 1337 01:20:27,935 --> 01:20:29,538 No, I didn't. I didn't know that. 1338 01:20:29,618 --> 01:20:32,202 Being illegal, it wouldn't be on the official records. 1339 01:20:32,923 --> 01:20:35,527 The lodger was their nephew, Raymond Tunstall. 1340 01:20:36,148 --> 01:20:36,880 How do you know him? 1341 01:20:37,390 --> 01:20:38,351 Why are you calling, sir? 1342 01:20:38,852 --> 01:20:42,258 I worked as his social worker when he came out of psychiatric hospital. 1343 01:20:43,039 --> 01:20:45,680 He had several convictions for molestation- 1344 01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,648 -aggravated abuse, abduction of minors. 1345 01:20:48,728 --> 01:20:51,252 He should never have been let anywhere near any community. 1346 01:20:51,432 --> 01:20:54,497 He was a very disturbed man, in my opinion. 1347 01:20:54,577 --> 01:20:55,440 In what way? 1348 01:20:55,829 --> 01:21:00,434 From the time he moved to Foxhill Drive, he developed paranoid fantasies. 1349 01:21:00,514 --> 01:21:03,794 He used to tell me there was a woman on the inside of his body- 1350 01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:08,079 -taking over his thoughts and actions, making him do things he didn't want to do. 1351 01:21:08,983 --> 01:21:10,204 He started to wear dresses. 1352 01:21:11,445 --> 01:21:15,730 The delusions got so bad, there was only one way to escape them. 1353 01:21:15,810 --> 01:21:16,971 He took his own life. 1354 01:21:17,892 --> 01:21:18,813 That's why I called. 1355 01:21:19,994 --> 01:21:23,878 When I heard, when I was sitting here watching the TV... 1356 01:21:27,284 --> 01:21:28,786 Hello? Are you still there? 1357 01:21:29,387 --> 01:21:31,280 If you are, please go on. Hello? 1358 01:21:33,772 --> 01:21:35,760 Tunstall hanged himself. 1359 01:21:37,217 --> 01:21:40,341 He tied wire around his neck to a lathe and switched it on. 1360 01:21:41,302 --> 01:21:44,400 Did it where he kept his tools, under the stairs. 1361 01:21:44,886 --> 01:21:46,448 His aunt and uncle were on holiday. 1362 01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:49,812 It was 12 days before anybody found him. 1363 01:21:50,994 --> 01:21:52,276 They heard the cats screaming. 1364 01:21:53,597 --> 01:21:54,979 He had about a dozen cats. 1365 01:21:55,550 --> 01:21:57,052 The cats were locked in, of course. 1366 01:21:57,854 --> 01:22:02,941 And, of course... 12 days, they got hungry. 1367 01:22:04,764 --> 01:22:10,092 They got to work on... On his face. 1368 01:22:14,559 --> 01:22:15,440 Mr... 1369 01:22:19,107 --> 01:22:23,879 ...I'm sure what you say is true, we've no reason to disbelieve you, but- 1370 01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:28,842 - ...in order to substantiate -- - He's gone, doctor. He's hung up. 1371 01:22:28,922 --> 01:22:31,085 Sorry, but that's the way it is. He's gone. 1372 01:22:32,086 --> 01:22:34,750 - Oh, dear. - I think this is the onion skin. 1373 01:22:35,792 --> 01:22:39,384 - What is? - I mean, what happened on that spot? 1374 01:22:39,464 --> 01:22:42,384 - How many terrible things have -- - Oh, this has got to be nonsense, Doctor -- 1375 01:22:42,489 --> 01:22:45,929 Before Tunstall, before Mother Seddons, way back, maybe into prehistory. 1376 01:22:46,013 --> 01:22:48,216 Oh, nonsense. There'll be no more calls, please, also. 1377 01:22:48,296 --> 01:22:51,281 Our switchboard's jammed. We've been inundated with hoaxes -- 1378 01:22:51,361 --> 01:22:54,627 The Rosenheim poltergeist affected a telephone exchange, rang up endless bills -- 1379 01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,548 Poltergeist or no poltergeist -- 1380 01:22:56,628 --> 01:22:59,252 They're seeing it now, for God's sake. Don't close the lines. 1381 01:22:59,332 --> 01:23:02,797 - We need to know what's happening out there. - You're the expert. What is happening out there? 1382 01:23:03,458 --> 01:23:04,799 I don't know. 1383 01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:12,520 - Jeez. - What is it? 1384 01:23:14,024 --> 01:23:15,386 Doctor, what's wrong? 1385 01:23:16,128 --> 01:23:17,308 What's the matter? 1386 01:23:20,154 --> 01:23:21,160 It's in the machine. 1387 01:23:21,597 --> 01:23:23,440 - What? - Well, look at the picture. 1388 01:23:23,941 --> 01:23:26,926 - Where? - On the wall. The picture on the wall. 1389 01:23:27,006 --> 01:23:29,120 - What about the picture on the wall? - Well, it's still there. 1390 01:23:29,290 --> 01:23:32,095 It hasn't fallen. It's not come off the wall. 1391 01:23:35,348 --> 01:23:37,131 This picture we're seeing now isn't live. 1392 01:23:37,671 --> 01:23:41,717 This is some earlier footage from earlier in the evening. 1393 01:23:42,739 --> 01:23:45,363 This is just a cover. It's a dupe. 1394 01:23:46,184 --> 01:23:48,657 - This isn't happening now. - But what is happening? 1395 01:23:57,171 --> 01:24:01,215 That's what you wanted, wasn't it? We just gave you what you wanted. 1396 01:24:01,295 --> 01:24:05,621 Stop it! Stop it! Stop it... 1397 01:24:08,123 --> 01:24:10,880 There's a wind in the studio. Have you ever heard of wind in a... 1398 01:24:11,379 --> 01:24:14,348 - How many observers do we have tonight? - I don't understand. 1399 01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,100 Jesus, Michael, we've created a séance. A massive séance. 1400 01:24:20,820 --> 01:24:21,702 Where are we now? 1401 01:24:21,782 --> 01:24:25,507 What's this... This... This could be live. 1402 01:24:25,587 --> 01:24:28,010 Is this happening outside the house? I think it is. 1403 01:24:28,332 --> 01:24:29,552 It's Mike. 1404 01:24:35,113 --> 01:24:37,680 We've got to assume this is live, actually happening. 1405 01:24:39,649 --> 01:24:41,070 Is that Kimmy? Yes. 1406 01:24:43,027 --> 01:24:44,089 Pam... 1407 01:24:46,182 --> 01:24:47,280 Mum! 1408 01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,423 We've seen... We've seen Mike come out. 1409 01:24:59,784 --> 01:25:01,225 We've seen Kim. 1410 01:25:01,606 --> 01:25:04,049 We've seen... We've seen Pam. 1411 01:25:04,991 --> 01:25:06,126 That leaves... 1412 01:25:07,163 --> 01:25:10,143 ...Suzanne...and Sarah. 1413 01:25:11,423 --> 01:25:13,580 Now, where are they? Where can they be? 1414 01:25:13,660 --> 01:25:16,398 - Have we seen them? - Must be still in there. 1415 01:25:21,218 --> 01:25:22,909 What are these shapes? 1416 01:25:27,729 --> 01:25:28,989 Where are we? 1417 01:25:29,692 --> 01:25:31,857 - What are we seeing here? - Infrared camera. 1418 01:25:33,776 --> 01:25:36,211 - Who's that? - Suzie? 1419 01:25:36,291 --> 01:25:37,735 - It's Sarah. - Is it? 1420 01:25:40,455 --> 01:25:42,838 Suzie, are you there? 1421 01:25:42,918 --> 01:25:44,239 Can't she hear us? 1422 01:25:46,582 --> 01:25:48,564 - Chris? - Down here. 1423 01:25:56,333 --> 01:25:57,874 - Where are you? - Here. 1424 01:26:02,161 --> 01:26:05,364 - Can you see if you can see her in that room? - Hold on. 1425 01:26:20,022 --> 01:26:21,626 No, she's not down here. 1426 01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:25,227 I know. Chris, have you still got your lighter? 1427 01:26:25,415 --> 01:26:26,346 Yeah. 1428 01:26:27,028 --> 01:26:28,365 There you are. 1429 01:26:28,584 --> 01:26:30,568 Got it. There we are. 1430 01:26:47,663 --> 01:26:48,769 There we go. 1431 01:26:50,356 --> 01:26:51,640 Is it OK for you? 1432 01:26:52,098 --> 01:26:54,320 - Is it okay? - Yeah, hold on. 1433 01:26:56,843 --> 01:26:58,028 Chris, look. 1434 01:27:01,047 --> 01:27:02,669 Sarah? Sarah! 1435 01:27:04,741 --> 01:27:05,669 Mum! 1436 01:27:06,118 --> 01:27:09,710 Mum, please help me! Help me, Mum, please! 1437 01:27:09,872 --> 01:27:12,388 - It's okay Suzie, we're here! - Clear the studio! 1438 01:27:12,468 --> 01:27:13,748 Where are you? 1439 01:27:13,846 --> 01:27:15,249 Mum, help! 1440 01:27:17,533 --> 01:27:18,640 In the Glory Hole. 1441 01:27:18,905 --> 01:27:20,843 - Chris, is this all right? - Yeah. 1442 01:27:20,923 --> 01:27:22,390 Get off me! Get away! 1443 01:27:22,474 --> 01:27:24,669 It's all right, Suzie. 1444 01:27:28,915 --> 01:27:29,836 Suzie? 1445 01:27:33,256 --> 01:27:36,039 I can't open the door. It's blocked. - Suzie? 1446 01:27:36,450 --> 01:27:39,231 You've got to try and push the door open from the inside. 1447 01:27:39,313 --> 01:27:40,555 He's hurting me. 1448 01:27:40,646 --> 01:27:41,520 Come on. 1449 01:27:41,594 --> 01:27:43,148 It's no good. 1450 01:27:43,232 --> 01:27:44,458 Get off me! 1451 01:27:47,672 --> 01:27:48,480 Suzie? 1452 01:27:49,815 --> 01:27:51,348 Thank you, God. 1453 01:27:52,101 --> 01:27:55,250 No one's gonna hurt you. You're safe here. 1454 01:27:55,330 --> 01:27:57,430 Sarah? Sarah! 1455 01:28:03,341 --> 01:28:06,033 Clear the studio! Get out! 1456 01:28:10,455 --> 01:28:11,360 Quickly! 1457 01:28:12,429 --> 01:28:16,920 People are leaving the studio now. The lights are blowing all over the place. 1458 01:28:17,370 --> 01:28:18,579 No, I'm not going. 1459 01:28:19,688 --> 01:28:21,042 Get the link back. 1460 01:28:21,979 --> 01:28:24,299 Get the link back. If somebody can get the link back. 1461 01:28:30,103 --> 01:28:32,409 When you assure me that my wife is safe, I'll go. 1462 01:28:32,489 --> 01:28:35,610 ...got an emergency generator, whether or not we should bring it in, I -- 1463 01:28:35,690 --> 01:28:36,621 I'm not going. 1464 01:28:39,858 --> 01:28:44,004 The studio's completely dark, just blackness now. 1465 01:28:44,244 --> 01:28:47,890 All the lights have failed, the power's...gone off. 1466 01:28:54,900 --> 01:28:58,089 We've got some...lights in the studio. 1467 01:29:00,809 --> 01:29:02,316 I don't know... 1468 01:29:03,235 --> 01:29:07,378 There's cameras, but I don't know which one's working. I mean... 1469 01:29:08,377 --> 01:29:10,521 There are no cameramen. 1470 01:29:11,502 --> 01:29:16,577 I mean, it's difficult to know, even if anybody's still with us, but... 1471 01:29:17,401 --> 01:29:24,209 ...if they are, this is the scene in this studio, this totally deserted studio. 1472 01:29:27,729 --> 01:29:28,710 Autocue's working. 1473 01:29:31,335 --> 01:29:34,620 Round and round the garden, like a teddy bear. 1474 01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:40,868 Didn't believe those stories about Mother Seddons, did you? 1475 01:29:42,039 --> 01:29:43,593 Fee fie foe fum. 134175

Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.