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you have done a lot of deep thinking
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about the world about yourself this kind
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of introspection
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how do you think
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If You by way of advice but just
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practically speaking
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day to day how do you think about
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difficult problems with the world
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first of all I take time off
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like mother the the most important thing
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I do
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I think as a writer as a scientist that
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I meditate I spend about two hours every
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day in silent meditation
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observing as much as possible
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non-verbally what is happening within
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myself focusing you know Body Sensations
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the breath
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thoughts keep coming up but I try not to
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give them attention don't try to drive
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them away just let them be there in the
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background like some background noise
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don't engage with the thoughts
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because the mind is is constantly
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producing stories with words these
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stories come between us and the world
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they don't allow us to see ourselves or
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the world like for me the most shocking
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thing when I started meditating like 23
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years ago
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I was given this simple exercise to just
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observe my breath coming in and out of
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the nostrils
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not controlling it just observing it
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and I couldn't do it for more than 10
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seconds I for 10 seconds would try to
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notice oh now the breath is coming in
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it's coming in it's coming you know it
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stopped coming in and now it's going out
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going out 10 seconds and some memory
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would come some thought would come some
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story about something that happened last
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last week or 10 years ago or in the
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future and it the story would hijack my
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attention it would take me maybe five
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minutes to remember oh I'm supposed to
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be observing my my breath
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if I can't observe my own breath because
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of these stories created by the mind how
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can I hope to understand much more
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complex things like the political
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situation in Israel the Israeli
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Palestinian conflict the Russian
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invasion of Ukraine if all these stories
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keep coming I mean it's not the truth
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it's just the story your own mind
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created so first thing train the mind to
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be silent and just observe so two hours
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every day and I go every year for a long
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retreat between one month and two months
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60 days of just Sonic meditation silent
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meditation for 60 days yeah to train the
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mind forget about your own stories just
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observe what is really happening
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and then also on other throughout the
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day
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have an information diet
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people are today many people are very
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aware of what they feed their body what
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enters their mouth mouth
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be very aware of what you feed your mind
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what enters your mind having information
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diet
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so for instance I read long books
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and I prefer like you know I do many
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interviews I prefer three hours
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interviews two five minutes interviews
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uh the long format is in it's not always
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feasible
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but you can go much much deeper
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um so I would say an information diet be
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very careful about what you feed your
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mind give preference
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to big chunks over small uh books over
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Twitter yes books over Twitter
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definitely
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and then you know when I encounter a
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problem a difficult intellectual problem
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then
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um I give it I I let the problem lead it
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lead me
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where it goes and not where I want it to
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go
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if I approach a problem with some
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preconceived idea solution and then try
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to impose it on the problem and you know
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just find confirmation bias just find
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the evidence that supports my view it's
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this is this is easy for the mind to do
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and you don't learn anything new
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do you take notes do you start to
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concretize your thoughts
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on paper
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I read a lot I don't I don't usually I
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don't take notes then I start writing
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and when I write I write like a torrent
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just right now is the time you read you
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didn't meditation now it's the time to
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write write don't stop just right so I
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would write from memory
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and I'm I'm not afraid of formulating
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say Big Ideas big theories and putting
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them on paper
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the danger is once it's on paper or not
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on paper on the screen in the computer
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you get attached to it and then you
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start with confirmation bias to build
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more and more layers around it and you
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can't go back and then it's very
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dangerous
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but I I trust myself that I have to some
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extent the ability to press the delete
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button the most important button in the
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keyboard is delete yeah
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I I write and then I delete I write and
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then I delete and because I trust myself
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that I'll have the every time I come to
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press delete button I feel bad like it's
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a kind of pain and I created this it's a
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beautiful idea and I have to delete it
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but you're still brave enough to press
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delete I try and hopefully I do it
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enough times and this is important
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because in the long term it enables me
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to play with ideas I have the confidence
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to start formulating
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some Brave idea most of them turn out to
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be nonsense
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but I trust myself not to be accused not
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to be attached not to become attached to
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my own nonsense
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so it gives me this room for playfulness
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I will be emissive I didn't ask for
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people interested in hearing you talk
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about meditation if they want to start
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meditating what advice would you give
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and how to start you mentioned you
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couldn't hold the fur you couldn't hold
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your attention on your breath for longer
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than 10 seconds yes first
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so how did they start on this journey
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first of all it's a difficult Journey
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it's not fun it's not recreational it's
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not kind of time to relax it can be very
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very intense the most difficult thing at
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least in the meditation I practice uh
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vipassana which I learned from a teacher
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called Essen goenka the most difficult
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thing is not the silence it's not the
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sitting for long hours it's what comes
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up
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everything you don't want to know about
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yourself yeah this is what comes up so
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it's very intense and difficult if you
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go to a Meditation Retreat don't think
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you're going to relax
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so what is what's the experience for
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meditation and tree when everything you
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don't like comes up first for 30 days it
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depends what comes up anger comes up
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you're angry yeah for days on end you're
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just boiling with anger everything makes
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you angry
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again something that happens right now
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or you remember something from 20 years
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ago and you start boiling with it's like
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I I never even thought about this
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incident but it's some it was somewhere
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stalled with a huge huge
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pile of anger attached to it and it's
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now coming up and all the anger is
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coming up maybe it's boredom
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you know
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30 days of meditation you start getting
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bored and it's the most boring thing in
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suddenly no anger no it's the most
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boring I I another second I scream
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I mean and boredom is one of the most
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difficult thing to deal with in life I
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think it's closely related to death
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death is boring you know in many movies
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death is exciting it's not exciting when
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when he died ultimately it's it's
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boredom nothing happens it's the end of
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exciting things and many things in the
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world happen because of boredom to some
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extent people start entire Wars because
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of Bordeaux people quit relationships
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people quit jobs because of boredom and
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if you never learn how to deal with
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boredom you will never learn how to
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enjoy peace and quiet
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because the way to peace passes through
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boredom
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and and from what I experience with
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meditation I think
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but maybe it was the most difficult
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maybe at least in the top three like
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much more difficult to say than anger or
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pain when pain comes up you feel heroic
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I'm feeling pain
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when boredom comes up
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brings it you know with depression and
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feelings of worthlessness and it's
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nothing I'm nothing
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the way the peace is through boredom uh
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David Foster Wallace said the key to
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life is to be unborable
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uh yeah it's just a different
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perspective on what you're talking to is
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there truth to that yes I mean it's
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closely related I would say like I look
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at the world today like Politics the one
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thing we need more than anything else is
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boring politicians
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we have a super abundance of very
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exciting politicians who are doing and
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saying very exciting things and we need
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boring politicians and we need them
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quickly and
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yeah the weighty pieces through boredom
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that applies in more ways than one15912
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