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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,981 --> 00:00:14,541 We don't know what prompted him to do this act when he did it. 2 00:00:16,061 --> 00:00:19,301 This minor is going to sleep with his dad, 3 00:00:19,461 --> 00:00:22,421 but he's going to shoot his dad, too? 4 00:00:22,581 --> 00:00:23,941 And then he's going to shoot himself? 5 00:00:25,341 --> 00:00:27,341 It just didn't sit right. 6 00:00:28,301 --> 00:00:31,101 Now we're looking at a double homicide. 7 00:00:31,261 --> 00:00:33,581 Well, double homicide? There's only three people in the house. 8 00:00:33,741 --> 00:00:36,581 Who's our most logical suspect? 9 00:00:37,541 --> 00:00:40,541 Once the news was reported, 10 00:00:40,701 --> 00:00:43,541 things in the community were pretty wild. 11 00:00:44,581 --> 00:00:46,301 The brother at the time had said 12 00:00:46,461 --> 00:00:49,501 that he said goodbye to him and then shot himself. 13 00:00:50,741 --> 00:00:52,861 One of the things I want to know is whether 14 00:00:53,021 --> 00:00:55,981 or not he has the ABILITY to do this. 15 00:00:57,101 --> 00:01:02,141 Does he have the capability to load or point the .45-calibre pistol? 16 00:01:04,581 --> 00:01:06,661 And to get the results from the coroner, 17 00:01:06,821 --> 00:01:09,341 who says the wounds are inconsistent with suicide. 18 00:01:09,501 --> 00:01:11,741 They're inconsistent with self-infliction. 19 00:01:13,261 --> 00:01:17,341 This is beginning to look more like a reactive 20 00:01:17,501 --> 00:01:21,901 kind of staging than a PROACTIVE one. 21 00:01:23,101 --> 00:01:27,701 If this autistic minor had shot his dad, would have been rare. 22 00:01:27,861 --> 00:01:32,141 If this autistic minor had shot HIMSELF, would have been rare. 23 00:01:32,301 --> 00:01:35,701 If he shot his dad and then shot himself, 24 00:01:35,861 --> 00:01:36,941 would have been REALLY rare. 25 00:01:49,781 --> 00:01:52,421 The Fresno County and Central Valley 26 00:01:52,581 --> 00:01:56,461 is essentially the centre of California. 27 00:01:58,181 --> 00:02:02,781 Fresno is a city of over 500,000 people itself, 28 00:02:02,941 --> 00:02:07,021 and it's very agriculturally based. 29 00:02:07,181 --> 00:02:09,701 Fruits, vegetables. 30 00:02:09,861 --> 00:02:14,861 It's pretty much a breadbasket place for the entire world. 31 00:02:16,501 --> 00:02:18,421 We kind of have a small-town feel, 32 00:02:18,581 --> 00:02:22,661 but we have big-city issues. 33 00:02:23,861 --> 00:02:28,381 Gradually, over time, it's built up a reputation as a place 34 00:02:28,541 --> 00:02:32,781 that there could be a more violent nature to the city itself. 35 00:02:46,421 --> 00:02:51,621 Brian lived in a trailer park home with his brother, Robert, 36 00:02:51,781 --> 00:02:53,861 and his father, Patrick. 37 00:02:56,661 --> 00:03:00,261 Brian was autistic, and he required a lot of care, 38 00:03:00,421 --> 00:03:03,701 but he was at a point where he was really coming into his own. 39 00:03:03,861 --> 00:03:05,821 He was really skilled on the computer. 40 00:03:05,981 --> 00:03:08,101 He was really fascinated by films, 41 00:03:08,261 --> 00:03:10,981 and, you know, he was having a good life. 42 00:03:15,341 --> 00:03:18,821 Brian and his dad, Patrick, would walk around the trailer park. 43 00:03:18,981 --> 00:03:20,141 They knew their neighbours. 44 00:03:20,301 --> 00:03:22,661 They were really enmeshed in the community. 45 00:03:22,821 --> 00:03:25,861 They loved to talk to each other on walkie talkies. 46 00:03:26,021 --> 00:03:27,981 So, you know, everyone knew them as this just, like, 47 00:03:28,141 --> 00:03:29,981 close, you know, pals. 48 00:03:33,421 --> 00:03:36,941 The family had just lost their mother, not long before. So, 49 00:03:37,101 --> 00:03:40,261 Patrick was now raising the boys as a single dad. And so of course, 50 00:03:40,421 --> 00:03:44,181 that was very difficult for him AND the boys. So it was something that, 51 00:03:44,341 --> 00:03:47,861 you know, clearly everyone knew they were going through a difficult time. 52 00:03:50,461 --> 00:03:51,741 You know, 53 00:03:51,901 --> 00:03:55,421 because it was such a tight knit place, no one was really expecting 54 00:03:55,581 --> 00:03:58,101 something super out of the ordinary to take place. 55 00:04:02,781 --> 00:04:04,101 Tonight, 56 00:04:04,261 --> 00:04:07,981 a 15 year old is in critical condition after police say he shot 57 00:04:08,141 --> 00:04:11,981 and killed his father before turning the gun on himself. 58 00:04:12,141 --> 00:04:16,341 The father has been identified as 61-year-old Patrick Cotter. 59 00:04:16,501 --> 00:04:19,461 Authorities were called to a mobile home park near McKinley 60 00:04:19,621 --> 00:04:23,021 and Marx avenues in Fresno around eight o'clock this morning. 61 00:04:27,101 --> 00:04:29,061 I came in in the morning. 62 00:04:29,221 --> 00:04:32,261 I did my normal routine, which is maybe have some coffee, 63 00:04:32,421 --> 00:04:34,101 go through my emails, 64 00:04:34,261 --> 00:04:36,381 and then I was assigned this case, 65 00:04:36,541 --> 00:04:38,621 and I called the officer. 66 00:04:38,781 --> 00:04:41,381 They gave me initial information. I knew I had to respond. 67 00:04:45,461 --> 00:04:47,541 We get to the scene, 68 00:04:47,701 --> 00:04:53,421 and I remember an officer briefing me about the circumstances, 69 00:04:53,581 --> 00:04:56,261 and we had a man, an adult male, 70 00:04:56,421 --> 00:04:59,941 who was in bed, and he was shot, they believe, multiple times, 71 00:05:00,101 --> 00:05:02,221 and that there was another person 72 00:05:02,381 --> 00:05:05,141 who sustained a gunshot wound who was transferred to the hospital. 73 00:05:06,821 --> 00:05:12,061 And at that time, they were advised from the person that was there, 74 00:05:12,221 --> 00:05:16,021 the witness, that it was a boy who had shot his dad 75 00:05:16,181 --> 00:05:18,181 and then shot himself, 76 00:05:18,341 --> 00:05:21,741 and then 911 was called, and then he was transferred to the hospital. 77 00:05:23,661 --> 00:05:26,261 The 15 year old has been in critical condition 78 00:05:26,421 --> 00:05:28,461 all day here at CRMC. 79 00:05:28,621 --> 00:05:30,941 He lived in the mobile home park with his father, 80 00:05:31,101 --> 00:05:32,941 and 18-year-old brother, who was actually the one 81 00:05:33,101 --> 00:05:36,341 that made the call to 911 this morning. 82 00:05:38,181 --> 00:05:40,141 It's very important that detectives 83 00:05:40,301 --> 00:05:43,821 and first responders don't start making assumptions right away. 84 00:05:43,981 --> 00:05:46,301 It's what we call threshold diagnosis. 85 00:05:46,461 --> 00:05:49,541 "I know it's going on here" or "I know what that behaviour means." 86 00:05:49,701 --> 00:05:51,701 When they do that, 87 00:05:51,861 --> 00:05:56,301 they've closed down the possibility of real investigation. 88 00:05:57,261 --> 00:06:01,021 We need anyone involved in a scene like this to stay open, 89 00:06:01,181 --> 00:06:03,061 not interpret too quickly 90 00:06:03,221 --> 00:06:07,181 but look for things that might need a deeper investigation. 91 00:06:16,061 --> 00:06:18,821 I would automatically be suspicious of the 911 caller. 92 00:06:23,901 --> 00:06:29,421 At the scene, does his behaviour match the expected behaviour 93 00:06:29,581 --> 00:06:34,381 of someone who's just found their brother and father dead? 94 00:06:38,341 --> 00:06:39,341 Responding to the scene, 95 00:06:39,501 --> 00:06:41,741 the detectives are first trying to determine, 96 00:06:41,901 --> 00:06:43,781 what are the basic facts? 97 00:06:43,941 --> 00:06:46,741 They have a 911 call, so they know what was reported. 98 00:06:46,901 --> 00:06:48,621 Now they're going to go back in to determine 99 00:06:48,781 --> 00:06:50,581 how much they can corroborate 100 00:06:50,741 --> 00:06:52,701 or refute based on that comment. 101 00:06:55,341 --> 00:06:59,461 As far as the scene, I wanted to find out where it took place. 102 00:06:59,621 --> 00:07:02,061 How much blood was there? 103 00:07:02,221 --> 00:07:05,941 Was there any type of strike marks to the home? 104 00:07:08,741 --> 00:07:12,901 What's the distance between the rounds that were fired 105 00:07:13,061 --> 00:07:14,901 to the subject that was hit? 106 00:07:15,061 --> 00:07:17,061 Was there casing? 107 00:07:17,221 --> 00:07:19,581 What type of gun was it? 108 00:07:19,741 --> 00:07:22,381 These are things that are going on in my head. 109 00:07:25,261 --> 00:07:29,021 First thing we see is the father that's been murdered in the bed. 110 00:07:29,181 --> 00:07:32,021 That corroborates what was on the 911 call. 111 00:07:37,261 --> 00:07:38,941 It should have been reasonably clear 112 00:07:39,101 --> 00:07:41,421 to the crime scene investigators in this case 113 00:07:41,581 --> 00:07:43,261 that they were dealing with a homicide. 114 00:07:43,421 --> 00:07:46,581 The father had been shot twice in his bed. 115 00:07:46,741 --> 00:07:48,621 One of the wounds was in his head. 116 00:07:48,781 --> 00:07:50,781 Oh, and one of the wounds was in his back. 117 00:07:56,661 --> 00:07:58,541 What I could see is that he looked like 118 00:07:58,701 --> 00:08:01,901 he was still in a sleeping position, the dad, 119 00:08:02,061 --> 00:08:05,141 and that the rounds that were fired were consistent. 120 00:08:07,821 --> 00:08:10,261 There was other strike marks in the wall. 121 00:08:13,581 --> 00:08:15,741 Everything seemed to be consistent 122 00:08:15,901 --> 00:08:18,101 with what's being told to us at the time. 123 00:08:24,141 --> 00:08:27,501 So the next step is now to take a look at the suicide. 124 00:08:28,981 --> 00:08:33,461 I'm always alert anytime I'm responding to a suicide, 125 00:08:33,621 --> 00:08:37,341 because I know suicides are one of the top four themes 126 00:08:37,501 --> 00:08:41,421 that are used to stage a murder. So if I was called to the scene, 127 00:08:41,581 --> 00:08:43,621 my senses would already be alert. 128 00:08:48,461 --> 00:08:53,341 Initially, the homicide case of the father, 129 00:08:53,501 --> 00:08:57,341 in this particular case, the individual died right away. 130 00:08:59,461 --> 00:09:02,181 We were involved with doing the autopsy. 131 00:09:03,781 --> 00:09:06,661 The person that was under the umbrella 132 00:09:06,821 --> 00:09:08,981 of what was considered a suicide case, 133 00:09:09,141 --> 00:09:11,261 he ended up going to the hospital, 134 00:09:11,421 --> 00:09:15,661 and he was at the hospital for a number of days. 135 00:09:15,821 --> 00:09:20,421 So there was a separation in the case itself. 136 00:09:24,941 --> 00:09:27,941 There is a lot of variation in how people react, 137 00:09:28,101 --> 00:09:30,421 depending on their age and their circumstance. 138 00:09:30,581 --> 00:09:35,941 But an 18-year-old boy who's in a confined space with two people 139 00:09:36,101 --> 00:09:39,221 who are dead is going to react in some way. 140 00:09:41,461 --> 00:09:43,381 He's just lost his brother AND his father, 141 00:09:43,541 --> 00:09:45,541 and his brother has done this horrific thing 142 00:09:45,701 --> 00:09:47,981 that seemed to come from out of the blue. 143 00:09:50,421 --> 00:09:53,421 If Robert is truly the standby witness, 144 00:09:53,581 --> 00:09:57,581 they need to make sure they start questioning him right away, 145 00:09:57,741 --> 00:10:01,381 because his witness is part of the crime scene. 146 00:10:01,541 --> 00:10:04,301 And the fresher it is for them, 147 00:10:04,461 --> 00:10:06,501 the better for their story. 148 00:10:09,141 --> 00:10:13,701 But they'll also really want to have him isolated away from the scene 149 00:10:13,861 --> 00:10:18,221 and ask again and maybe again to make sure the story holds together. 150 00:10:22,741 --> 00:10:23,941 Brian survived. 151 00:10:24,101 --> 00:10:26,941 And once the police showed up, he was still alive 152 00:10:27,101 --> 00:10:30,221 and so everyone was questioning, you know, what really happened? 153 00:10:30,381 --> 00:10:34,301 Hoping to get questions answered and that he would come around 154 00:10:34,461 --> 00:10:36,821 and shed some light on what really took place. 155 00:10:40,061 --> 00:10:42,341 One of the things that they had advised me of is that 156 00:10:42,501 --> 00:10:44,301 the boy was autistic, 157 00:10:44,461 --> 00:10:47,141 and I still remember to this day. When they told me that, 158 00:10:47,301 --> 00:10:49,261 I wrote it in my notes, and I underlined it 159 00:10:49,421 --> 00:10:52,981 cos I just felt that was a bit unusual 160 00:10:53,141 --> 00:10:57,461 for an autistic kid to shoot himself 161 00:10:57,621 --> 00:10:59,581 and also shoot his dad. 162 00:11:02,661 --> 00:11:07,181 If this is a staged scene, Robert will be invested in Brian dying, 163 00:11:07,341 --> 00:11:11,221 and he'll be worried that Brian might survive. 164 00:11:29,141 --> 00:11:32,781 Tonight, a 15 year old is in critical condition 165 00:11:32,941 --> 00:11:36,461 after police say he shot and killed his father 166 00:11:36,621 --> 00:11:38,421 before turning the good on himself. 167 00:11:38,581 --> 00:11:42,501 The father has been identified as 61-year-old Patrick Cotter. 168 00:11:42,661 --> 00:11:46,181 Authorities were called to a mobile home park near McKinley 169 00:11:46,341 --> 00:11:49,501 and Marks avenues in Fresno around eight o'clock this morning. 170 00:11:53,861 --> 00:11:57,461 With Brian still in the hospital and not yet conscious 171 00:11:57,621 --> 00:11:59,661 and not even clear that he'll make it, 172 00:11:59,821 --> 00:12:03,461 investigators have to kind of wait to see, what will his story be? 173 00:12:05,261 --> 00:12:08,421 We have not received any more information of his son's condition, 174 00:12:08,581 --> 00:12:11,661 but we will release that information as soon as it becomes available. 175 00:12:13,661 --> 00:12:15,701 The 15 year old lived in the home with his father 176 00:12:15,861 --> 00:12:18,181 and 18-year-old brother, who made the call. 177 00:12:20,421 --> 00:12:23,501 Clearly, we want to talk to him as rapidly as possible. 178 00:12:23,661 --> 00:12:27,141 So there will be a detective down at the hospital almost 24 hours a day. 179 00:12:27,301 --> 00:12:30,221 In the off chance that he's awoke, 180 00:12:30,381 --> 00:12:32,981 we can talk to him to find out exactly what happened. 181 00:12:35,141 --> 00:12:38,501 Does even know how to handle the weapon that was used? 182 00:12:38,661 --> 00:12:40,781 Was the weapon in the appropriate place 183 00:12:40,941 --> 00:12:43,741 for somebody who has just tried to shoot themselves? 184 00:12:46,301 --> 00:12:50,781 I was really curious to know what his autistic spectrum stage was. 185 00:12:50,941 --> 00:12:53,981 And could he, one, handle a gun? 186 00:12:54,141 --> 00:12:55,621 Could he fire a gun? 187 00:12:55,781 --> 00:12:57,741 And also, what was the relationship like? 188 00:12:57,901 --> 00:13:00,181 Like, who is also the person in the home with? 189 00:13:06,861 --> 00:13:08,821 We have to understand that Robert should be concerned 190 00:13:08,981 --> 00:13:11,341 about his 15-year-old brother. Is he going to make it? 191 00:13:15,901 --> 00:13:20,221 If he doesn't seem concerned, that would be pretty important. 192 00:13:21,981 --> 00:13:24,021 And if he doesn't seem concerned 193 00:13:24,181 --> 00:13:27,101 about the fact that he just lost his father, that would be important. 194 00:13:27,261 --> 00:13:30,181 If he starts to distract himself with things 195 00:13:30,341 --> 00:13:32,661 like getting on his phone or doing something like that, 196 00:13:32,821 --> 00:13:37,341 that would indicate maybe there is more to the story here, 197 00:13:37,501 --> 00:13:40,941 but they can't really start interpreting any of that behaviour 198 00:13:41,101 --> 00:13:43,101 until they get a fuller context. 199 00:13:43,261 --> 00:13:44,941 So they're going to need to know a lot more 200 00:13:45,101 --> 00:13:47,101 about the family relationships. 201 00:13:47,261 --> 00:13:50,301 Does the brother who's fighting for his life... 202 00:13:50,461 --> 00:13:52,501 Does he have any background of aggression 203 00:13:52,661 --> 00:13:54,621 or have there been disputes? 204 00:13:54,781 --> 00:13:57,821 Have the police been called here before for any reason? 205 00:13:57,981 --> 00:14:00,461 Does Robert have any issues in HIS life? 206 00:14:00,621 --> 00:14:03,221 So they have to start unpacking all of that before they can 207 00:14:03,381 --> 00:14:07,141 really make anything of odd behaviour or inconsistencies. 208 00:14:15,621 --> 00:14:18,661 There was nothing at the crime scene to suggest to the police 209 00:14:18,821 --> 00:14:21,061 that there was another version of events. 210 00:14:21,221 --> 00:14:23,741 There was no intruder involved. 211 00:14:23,901 --> 00:14:28,581 The blood spatter that was connected with the deceased person 212 00:14:28,741 --> 00:14:32,221 entirely fitted with the account given by Robert 213 00:14:32,381 --> 00:14:34,701 and nothing to undermine this story. 214 00:14:36,141 --> 00:14:39,021 The brother at the time had said that the minor autistic child 215 00:14:39,181 --> 00:14:41,021 was standing at the doorway, 216 00:14:41,181 --> 00:14:44,021 fired the weapon, and the dad was struck. 217 00:14:45,741 --> 00:14:49,941 He said goodbye to him and then shot himself. 218 00:14:57,821 --> 00:15:02,541 The first autopsy was relatively straightforward. 219 00:15:02,701 --> 00:15:08,261 I looked at the gunshot wounds. I looked at the story. 220 00:15:08,421 --> 00:15:10,821 Everything seemed to fall into place that 221 00:15:10,981 --> 00:15:13,301 this individual was shot by someone else. 222 00:15:13,461 --> 00:15:15,221 So at that particular time, 223 00:15:15,381 --> 00:15:18,781 I signed a death certificate on the case as a homicide. 224 00:15:28,661 --> 00:15:31,501 You're going to have physical evidence. 225 00:15:31,661 --> 00:15:33,501 You're going to have fingerprints. 226 00:15:33,661 --> 00:15:37,301 You're going to have DNA on the gun. 227 00:15:37,461 --> 00:15:41,741 So the most important thing to do is to preserve the crime scene. 228 00:15:41,901 --> 00:15:46,301 Don't let anyone else touch it. Don't let anything contaminate it 229 00:15:46,461 --> 00:15:51,741 so that the physical evidence that it's there can be properly tested. 230 00:15:55,421 --> 00:15:59,421 Investigators can tell if a gun has been recently wiped 231 00:15:59,581 --> 00:16:03,661 or cleaned and without fingerprints, 232 00:16:03,821 --> 00:16:06,501 it's very difficult to prove 233 00:16:06,661 --> 00:16:10,621 or disprove the version of events of the suspect. 234 00:16:13,781 --> 00:16:16,301 Of course, we want to talk to the surviving son, Robert. 235 00:16:16,461 --> 00:16:19,861 We want to know exactly what happened that particular night. 236 00:16:20,021 --> 00:16:22,381 What did he see? What did he here? 237 00:16:22,541 --> 00:16:25,701 But also, this is our one chance to talk to a family member 238 00:16:25,861 --> 00:16:28,861 about the mental abilities of his brother. 239 00:16:29,021 --> 00:16:31,621 And we're going to be dependent upon that initially 240 00:16:31,781 --> 00:16:33,541 because he's intimately part of the family. 241 00:16:33,701 --> 00:16:35,781 He lives there, so he knows all these things. 242 00:16:39,821 --> 00:16:41,581 Some inconsistencies will be understandable 243 00:16:41,741 --> 00:16:44,421 because he's in shock and he doesn't really know what's going on 244 00:16:44,581 --> 00:16:48,861 and why it happened. But if he starts to deliver a story 245 00:16:49,021 --> 00:16:53,381 that remains stable but it contradicts things at the scene, 246 00:16:53,541 --> 00:16:56,221 then that's going to raise red flags. 247 00:17:07,221 --> 00:17:12,141 Because Brian was autistic and did need a lot of care, 248 00:17:12,301 --> 00:17:14,341 neighbours were really questioning, like, 249 00:17:14,501 --> 00:17:16,261 was he capable of doing something like this? 250 00:17:16,421 --> 00:17:20,981 Was he capable of hurting his own father and then doing it to himself? 251 00:17:21,141 --> 00:17:23,741 It really did raise a lot of questions. 252 00:17:25,621 --> 00:17:29,381 It's the father who is the actual caregiver for the son, 253 00:17:29,541 --> 00:17:31,661 and they have a real good relationship. 254 00:17:33,821 --> 00:17:38,461 Well, the behaviour doesn't match what we're being told, 255 00:17:38,621 --> 00:17:40,941 so something's wrong. 256 00:17:46,501 --> 00:17:49,461 The suspected minor who shot his dad 257 00:17:49,621 --> 00:17:54,221 because of his autism slept with his dad in the same bed. 258 00:17:55,821 --> 00:17:57,621 So one of my first instincts is like, 259 00:17:57,781 --> 00:18:02,741 well, this minor is going to sleep with his dad, 260 00:18:02,901 --> 00:18:04,781 but he's going to shoot his dad too? 261 00:18:04,941 --> 00:18:07,381 And then he's going to shoot himself? 262 00:18:08,381 --> 00:18:10,221 It just didn't sit right. 263 00:18:12,741 --> 00:18:18,661 What I was finding is that if this autistic minor had shot his dad, 264 00:18:18,821 --> 00:18:20,261 would have been rare. 265 00:18:21,341 --> 00:18:25,461 If this autistic minor had shot himself, would have been rare. 266 00:18:25,621 --> 00:18:27,901 If he did both of these, 267 00:18:28,061 --> 00:18:31,861 shot his dad and then shot himself, would have been REALLY rare. 268 00:18:35,981 --> 00:18:40,101 Robert's account was that Brian then went on to shoot himself, 269 00:18:40,261 --> 00:18:42,461 but his injuries weren't fatal. 270 00:18:44,701 --> 00:18:48,621 This outcome leaves the police investigation in a kind of limbo, 271 00:18:48,781 --> 00:18:52,781 because they have a perpetrator who has attempted to commit suicide, 272 00:18:52,941 --> 00:18:54,741 but they are still alive, 273 00:18:54,901 --> 00:18:58,021 so they can't really progress this investigation 274 00:18:58,181 --> 00:19:00,421 until Brian actually recovers. 275 00:19:03,901 --> 00:19:05,781 One of the things I want to know is whether or not 276 00:19:05,941 --> 00:19:08,661 he has the ABILITY to do this. 277 00:19:10,461 --> 00:19:16,381 Does he have the capability to load or point the .45-calibre pistol? 278 00:19:21,621 --> 00:19:24,301 You're in suspense. You're kind of in a limbo. 279 00:19:24,461 --> 00:19:26,581 You're waiting to see. And for our office, 280 00:19:26,741 --> 00:19:29,501 the biggest clue is going to come from the minor 281 00:19:29,661 --> 00:19:31,541 who was suspected had shot his dad 282 00:19:31,701 --> 00:19:34,301 and then shot himself because now he's in the hospital 283 00:19:34,461 --> 00:19:36,181 in critical condition, 284 00:19:36,341 --> 00:19:39,741 and we don't know what his wounds look like. 285 00:19:42,061 --> 00:19:44,821 So along with our findings and our concerns 286 00:19:44,981 --> 00:19:46,661 about was he able to do this, 287 00:19:46,821 --> 00:19:48,541 we don't know. We're kind of in limbo at that time. 288 00:19:59,181 --> 00:20:03,781 I was taking a wait-and-see type of approach to it, 289 00:20:03,941 --> 00:20:07,661 that the way I can tell is looking at the gunshot wound. 290 00:20:07,821 --> 00:20:11,581 If it's what we call a distant gunshot wound 291 00:20:11,741 --> 00:20:14,901 and what you have no evidence of gunpowder, 292 00:20:15,061 --> 00:20:19,221 muzzle imprint or what we call stippling... 293 00:20:19,381 --> 00:20:23,701 Stippling is when you have powder that comes out of the gun 294 00:20:23,861 --> 00:20:28,341 and strikes the surface of the body at a distance 295 00:20:28,501 --> 00:20:32,821 anywhere from six inches up to almost three feet. 296 00:20:33,781 --> 00:20:36,621 So I felt that the best way 297 00:20:36,781 --> 00:20:40,701 I can look at the gunshot wound itself 298 00:20:40,861 --> 00:20:44,261 and determine it from the pathology perspective, 299 00:20:44,421 --> 00:20:47,421 that's something that I have to wait and see. 300 00:20:51,861 --> 00:20:53,781 First thing I would say to a detective 301 00:20:53,941 --> 00:20:56,101 is watch Robert's behaviour. 302 00:20:56,261 --> 00:20:58,421 Because if this is a staged scene, 303 00:20:58,581 --> 00:21:02,101 Robert will be invested in Brian dying, 304 00:21:02,261 --> 00:21:05,461 and he'll be worried that Brian might survive. 305 00:21:22,341 --> 00:21:26,661 The 15-year-old has been in critical condition here at CRMC. 306 00:21:29,941 --> 00:21:32,621 After Brian officially passed away, 307 00:21:32,781 --> 00:21:35,221 it was a devastating blow to the family. 308 00:21:35,381 --> 00:21:37,221 Not only did they lose Brian and Patrick, 309 00:21:37,381 --> 00:21:40,261 they had also lost their mother soon before that, 310 00:21:40,421 --> 00:21:42,861 so it was just a horrible tragedy for them. 311 00:21:48,221 --> 00:21:52,381 When Brian finally succumbs to his injuries, 312 00:21:52,541 --> 00:21:55,541 there would be a routine postmortem examination 313 00:21:55,701 --> 00:21:57,981 by a forensic pathologist. 314 00:22:00,541 --> 00:22:02,621 Once the son passes away, 315 00:22:02,781 --> 00:22:05,901 now we can finally get those answers that we've been searching for. 316 00:22:07,701 --> 00:22:11,741 What type of wound does the suicide victim have? 317 00:22:11,901 --> 00:22:14,941 Is it a hard contact? Is it a close contact or whatever? 318 00:22:15,101 --> 00:22:16,821 Cos that'll tell us whether it's consistent 319 00:22:16,981 --> 00:22:19,141 or inconsistent with a self-inflicted wound. 320 00:22:24,861 --> 00:22:29,341 Any situation, such as a gunshot wound to the head, 321 00:22:29,501 --> 00:22:32,781 whether it's a suicide or a homicide, 322 00:22:32,941 --> 00:22:35,941 there is a request at that time to the family. 323 00:22:36,101 --> 00:22:38,941 "Would you be willing to donate organs and tissues?" 324 00:22:39,101 --> 00:22:41,741 And that took place, in this particular case, 325 00:22:41,901 --> 00:22:44,461 on the 15-year-old son, 326 00:22:44,621 --> 00:22:48,141 is that there was another day in between 327 00:22:48,301 --> 00:22:50,061 when he was pronounced dead 328 00:22:50,221 --> 00:22:53,901 and when he finally arrived at the corner's office. 329 00:22:56,701 --> 00:23:00,141 Medical examiner has to determine three things: 330 00:23:00,301 --> 00:23:03,061 cause, manner and mechanism. 331 00:23:03,221 --> 00:23:06,581 The cause of the death, which is either going to be homicide, 332 00:23:06,741 --> 00:23:09,021 suicide or accident or unknown. 333 00:23:09,181 --> 00:23:13,501 The manner of death, which is, what killed this person? 334 00:23:13,661 --> 00:23:15,541 How was this person killed? 335 00:23:15,701 --> 00:23:19,261 And the mechanism of death. What weapon was used? 336 00:23:19,421 --> 00:23:22,541 A gunshot wound that's inflicted close up, 337 00:23:22,701 --> 00:23:26,901 which is what you would expect as a murder-suicide. 338 00:23:29,421 --> 00:23:32,941 The bullet's entry point is going to look different 339 00:23:33,101 --> 00:23:36,941 than a shot from a few feet away. 340 00:23:39,341 --> 00:23:44,701 There is no gunpowder found in the skin around the wound. 341 00:23:45,901 --> 00:23:50,301 There is no muzzle imprint of the skin itself around the wound. 342 00:23:50,461 --> 00:23:53,781 Which then leads me to say 343 00:23:53,941 --> 00:23:57,781 we're not dealing with a suicide in this particular case. 344 00:23:57,941 --> 00:23:59,661 It's something different. 345 00:24:07,701 --> 00:24:09,861 We learned that he passed away, 346 00:24:10,021 --> 00:24:12,501 and then we brought him into our office because we wanted 347 00:24:12,661 --> 00:24:15,181 to look at that wound, to see if it was consistent 348 00:24:15,341 --> 00:24:17,541 with either someone shooting himself, like, 349 00:24:17,701 --> 00:24:19,781 is it possible where he could have had a distance 350 00:24:19,941 --> 00:24:21,981 of where it was something that he could have done, 351 00:24:22,141 --> 00:24:24,541 like, the placement of the barrel to the head? 352 00:24:24,701 --> 00:24:27,261 Is everything consistent with someone he did it himself? 353 00:24:27,421 --> 00:24:30,581 And if not, then we were going to have two homicides 354 00:24:30,741 --> 00:24:32,421 instead of a homicide and a suicide. 355 00:24:40,181 --> 00:24:44,341 It's not until the postmodern findings that the police realise 356 00:24:44,501 --> 00:24:47,461 that they now have a DIFFERENT kind of case on their hands... 357 00:24:49,421 --> 00:24:52,461 ...and that Robert would become key person of interest 358 00:24:52,621 --> 00:24:56,581 because he was present when both of the crimes were committed. 359 00:24:56,741 --> 00:25:01,341 And his account does not square with the medical evidence. 360 00:25:03,301 --> 00:25:07,141 The autopsy showed that Brian could not have shot himself, 361 00:25:07,301 --> 00:25:11,461 and that, ultimately, is what led to Robert's arrest. 362 00:25:17,901 --> 00:25:21,941 As Robert begins to realise he's now a suspect, 363 00:25:22,101 --> 00:25:23,941 he will start to worry. He's a kid. 364 00:25:24,101 --> 00:25:27,181 He's not sophisticated about crime scene staging. 365 00:25:27,341 --> 00:25:30,901 He believes he's gotten away with this, and suddenly he hasn't. 366 00:25:35,541 --> 00:25:37,261 We wanna now look at motive. 367 00:25:37,421 --> 00:25:40,941 Why would Robert kill his brother and his father 368 00:25:41,101 --> 00:25:43,181 and pin it on his brother? 369 00:25:45,461 --> 00:25:47,661 So something has happened 370 00:25:47,821 --> 00:25:52,941 to make Robert do something so extreme. 371 00:25:57,341 --> 00:26:00,541 Is he angry at his brother and his father? 372 00:26:02,181 --> 00:26:05,421 In this household, we had both parents, 373 00:26:05,581 --> 00:26:10,341 a 15-year-old brother with severe autism and Robert. 374 00:26:10,501 --> 00:26:12,461 And he looked to his mother. 375 00:26:15,781 --> 00:26:19,381 She was probably his best friend 376 00:26:19,541 --> 00:26:24,421 and the place he could go to get away from his father. 377 00:26:26,061 --> 00:26:30,381 And once she had died, it would have changed the entire dynamics. 378 00:26:33,061 --> 00:26:35,301 Especially if the father did not know 379 00:26:35,461 --> 00:26:37,821 how to deal with the autistic brother. 380 00:26:37,981 --> 00:26:41,781 He might have looked to Robert to be the primary caretaker of this boy, 381 00:26:41,941 --> 00:26:45,901 and Robert would have resented that kind of responsibility. 382 00:26:46,061 --> 00:26:50,381 So if he already had a conflicted relationship with his father 383 00:26:50,541 --> 00:26:53,861 and now the mother is removed as a buffer to that, 384 00:26:54,021 --> 00:26:57,581 it's raw. And he's annoyed at his brother, 385 00:26:57,741 --> 00:27:01,021 and he concocts a plan to get rid of the father 386 00:27:01,181 --> 00:27:02,901 and brother and blame the brother. 387 00:27:03,061 --> 00:27:06,621 And it would be an easy way to be rid of both of them 388 00:27:06,781 --> 00:27:08,981 and be home scot-free. 389 00:27:11,941 --> 00:27:14,221 You want to get some background on Robert. 390 00:27:14,381 --> 00:27:16,781 How did he get along with everybody? 391 00:27:16,941 --> 00:27:21,341 Was there any expected reward if both of them passed away? 392 00:27:25,261 --> 00:27:27,821 In the early stages of the investigation, 393 00:27:27,981 --> 00:27:30,021 there is no reason for Robert to believe 394 00:27:30,181 --> 00:27:32,781 that he hasn't fooled the police. 395 00:27:33,741 --> 00:27:38,781 It's just an example of how most people are naive about the intensity 396 00:27:39,661 --> 00:27:42,181 and scrutiny that they might come under 397 00:27:42,341 --> 00:27:44,461 during the course of an investigation. 398 00:27:44,621 --> 00:27:48,261 The police would be looking into all their relationships 399 00:27:48,421 --> 00:27:50,781 and their behaviour and their movements. 400 00:27:53,341 --> 00:27:55,301 Once Robert becomes a suspect, 401 00:27:55,461 --> 00:27:58,301 they will confiscate his computer, his phone, 402 00:27:58,461 --> 00:28:02,221 any other digital devices so that they can look at HIS history. 403 00:28:05,781 --> 00:28:08,741 What kinds of things did he look up? Did he look up suicides? 404 00:28:08,901 --> 00:28:11,621 Did he look up how to use these kinds of weapons? 405 00:28:11,781 --> 00:28:14,341 Did he look up how to stage anything? 406 00:28:14,501 --> 00:28:16,661 So they're going to be looking for any indication 407 00:28:16,821 --> 00:28:19,221 that this plan is his 408 00:28:19,381 --> 00:28:21,261 and he's the one that carried this out 409 00:28:21,421 --> 00:28:23,261 and then pinned it on his brother. 410 00:28:23,421 --> 00:28:25,661 And they're going to be looking for what was his relationship 411 00:28:25,821 --> 00:28:27,461 with his brother that he would do such a thing. 412 00:28:32,541 --> 00:28:35,261 And they would look in detail at their digital devices. 413 00:28:35,421 --> 00:28:38,101 And of course, most people don't realise 414 00:28:38,261 --> 00:28:40,261 that even when you delete evidence 415 00:28:40,421 --> 00:28:44,301 that the police can still find that evidence on these devices. 416 00:28:46,221 --> 00:28:48,501 What they found when they examined his computer 417 00:28:48,661 --> 00:28:53,341 was that he had repeatedly searched how the police investigate suicide, 418 00:28:53,501 --> 00:28:57,701 and how might someone go about staging a suicide. 419 00:28:57,861 --> 00:29:01,341 In this instance, Robert didn't even delete the evidence. 420 00:29:02,541 --> 00:29:05,621 It would have been found very quickly. 421 00:29:08,301 --> 00:29:12,661 The internet searches that they found were things like 422 00:29:12,821 --> 00:29:15,861 "how to fire a Colt 1911"... 423 00:29:17,261 --> 00:29:19,301 ...which is directly connected to the crime 424 00:29:19,461 --> 00:29:22,021 because that's the weapon that was used. 425 00:29:24,861 --> 00:29:26,661 He's so unsophisticated 426 00:29:26,821 --> 00:29:29,741 that he doesn't even realise they're going to be able to find this. 427 00:29:30,861 --> 00:29:33,301 If you're going to do these kinds of searches, go to a library, 428 00:29:33,461 --> 00:29:35,621 do something else. 429 00:29:36,581 --> 00:29:38,541 He clearly is naive. 430 00:29:38,701 --> 00:29:44,301 This is beginning to look more like a REACTIVE kind of staging 431 00:29:44,461 --> 00:29:46,501 than a PROACTIVE one. 432 00:29:48,421 --> 00:29:51,541 I think the people questioning him, the detectives, 433 00:29:51,701 --> 00:29:54,741 are going to start seeing signals that he's distressed, 434 00:29:54,901 --> 00:29:57,781 that things have gone completely off the rails, 435 00:29:57,941 --> 00:30:00,141 and he doesn't have a way to fix it. 436 00:30:10,861 --> 00:30:12,901 When a suspect is interrogated, 437 00:30:13,061 --> 00:30:15,501 it's a very planned-out procedure, 438 00:30:15,661 --> 00:30:19,501 everything down to the temperature in the interrogation room, 439 00:30:19,661 --> 00:30:22,621 the positioning of the chairs, the positioning of the questioners. 440 00:30:22,781 --> 00:30:24,741 It's all down to a science. 441 00:30:24,901 --> 00:30:29,141 And the purpose is to have the suspect so uncomfortable 442 00:30:29,301 --> 00:30:31,301 and set them at such a cognitive dissonance 443 00:30:31,461 --> 00:30:33,661 that they will finally confess. 444 00:30:36,021 --> 00:30:38,541 In America, we try to get a confession 445 00:30:38,701 --> 00:30:42,381 because we consider a confession the best evidence that there is because 446 00:30:42,541 --> 00:30:45,781 somebody is giving a statement against their own self-interest. 447 00:30:45,941 --> 00:30:48,701 That's our best evidence, 448 00:30:48,861 --> 00:30:51,061 and all of our courts has recognised 449 00:30:51,221 --> 00:30:53,141 that that is the strongest evidence that there is. 450 00:30:54,741 --> 00:30:57,101 This is an example of when you're just laying out 451 00:30:57,261 --> 00:31:00,341 all the evidence that you have, and the suspect realises that 452 00:31:00,501 --> 00:31:02,541 there's no other place for him to go. 453 00:31:02,701 --> 00:31:04,541 They have you. So what does he do? 454 00:31:04,701 --> 00:31:08,141 He tries to confess because he thinks that confession 455 00:31:08,301 --> 00:31:11,781 is the best thing that's going to help him down the road. 456 00:31:12,941 --> 00:31:15,781 Once he's confessed 457 00:31:15,941 --> 00:31:19,581 and considering the evidence that they already have, 458 00:31:19,741 --> 00:31:21,581 I believe prosecutors would charge him 459 00:31:21,741 --> 00:31:23,981 with the crime immediately at that point. 460 00:31:26,501 --> 00:31:29,941 We have to make sure that the evidence is compelling enough 461 00:31:30,101 --> 00:31:33,581 to say that, yes, this person is the one who did it. 462 00:31:34,621 --> 00:31:36,421 Because that is enough 463 00:31:36,581 --> 00:31:39,421 for a reasonable jury to find that he's guilty. 464 00:31:44,621 --> 00:31:46,701 I do remember in this case, 465 00:31:46,861 --> 00:31:50,381 we had a forensic tech whose son was autistic, 466 00:31:50,541 --> 00:31:54,741 and he's one of the ones who came to me and was like, 467 00:31:54,901 --> 00:31:58,061 "Imron, I know if this kid is autistic, 468 00:31:58,221 --> 00:32:01,261 there's no way he could have done this. There's no way." 469 00:32:07,421 --> 00:32:10,701 When Robert changed his plea to no contest, essentially saying, 470 00:32:10,861 --> 00:32:14,461 "You got me. I mean, you have the evidence and I recognise it." 471 00:32:19,621 --> 00:32:22,541 Now I think grief would come into the picture, 472 00:32:22,701 --> 00:32:23,981 much more so than before. 473 00:32:24,141 --> 00:32:27,541 He's already grieving a recent death of his mother. 474 00:32:27,701 --> 00:32:32,661 Now he's realising he has done this horrible thing to his brother. 475 00:32:32,821 --> 00:32:36,141 He probably did love his father and brother to some extent, 476 00:32:36,301 --> 00:32:38,661 and now he's lost them both. And he did it. 477 00:32:45,101 --> 00:32:49,101 The staging of the scene shows premeditation. 478 00:32:49,261 --> 00:32:52,181 It shows consciousness of guilt, 479 00:32:52,341 --> 00:32:56,781 and it shows that he was willing to lie 480 00:32:56,941 --> 00:32:59,021 and blame his autistic brother. 481 00:33:00,501 --> 00:33:05,941 Those actions can elevate a charge from manslaughter to murder. 482 00:33:06,101 --> 00:33:08,341 If he were to testify that he snapped, 483 00:33:08,501 --> 00:33:11,061 went into the room and shot both of them, 484 00:33:11,221 --> 00:33:13,221 that would make a lot more sense. 485 00:33:13,381 --> 00:33:15,061 And he could have been able to argue, 486 00:33:15,221 --> 00:33:18,101 "Because of my terrible childhood, this is manslaughter. 487 00:33:18,261 --> 00:33:21,021 I just snapped. I didn't mean to do it." 488 00:33:21,181 --> 00:33:23,421 Staging the scene does the absolute opposite. 489 00:33:23,581 --> 00:33:25,301 It makes him look far more guilty, 490 00:33:25,461 --> 00:33:29,261 and it makes a crime look much more premeditated. 491 00:33:48,661 --> 00:33:51,821 Once the news came out that Robert was actually the one 492 00:33:51,981 --> 00:33:56,101 who had perpetrated this crime and it wasn't a murder-suicide, 493 00:33:56,261 --> 00:34:00,381 it was an even bigger question mark of what really happened here. 494 00:34:04,661 --> 00:34:08,141 He took enough time to plan, Google search 495 00:34:08,301 --> 00:34:10,341 and then stage the crime. 496 00:34:10,501 --> 00:34:14,261 So it makes him and the crime appear to be very cold, 497 00:34:14,421 --> 00:34:17,461 calculated, cruel, planned. 498 00:34:19,701 --> 00:34:21,301 Now the prosecutor has to determine, 499 00:34:21,461 --> 00:34:23,461 what's the best course of action? 500 00:34:23,621 --> 00:34:27,421 Does he want to accept a plea or go ahead and go to court? 501 00:34:29,541 --> 00:34:32,021 Many times it revolves around money. 502 00:34:32,181 --> 00:34:35,421 It costs money to have a homicide trial. 503 00:34:35,581 --> 00:34:36,941 Costs a lot of money. 504 00:34:37,101 --> 00:34:40,381 Whereas a guilty plea doesn't take that much at all. 505 00:34:40,541 --> 00:34:43,181 And if the guy is going to take a guilty plea, 506 00:34:43,341 --> 00:34:45,021 if he can get a good sentence, 507 00:34:45,181 --> 00:34:47,461 that's normally the accepted course. 508 00:34:52,101 --> 00:34:55,581 Ninety-eight per cent of cases do not go to trial. 509 00:34:55,741 --> 00:34:57,261 They're resolved by a plea bargain. 510 00:35:00,261 --> 00:35:03,701 In this case, I would suspect 511 00:35:03,861 --> 00:35:07,941 that Mr Cotter pled guilty to everything 512 00:35:08,101 --> 00:35:12,661 in order to avoid the death penalty or life without parole. 513 00:35:15,981 --> 00:35:18,901 What would have been uncovered in the examining 514 00:35:19,061 --> 00:35:20,941 of Robert's personal history was that 515 00:35:21,101 --> 00:35:24,821 he seemed to have a very traumatic childhood, and in fact, 516 00:35:24,981 --> 00:35:29,301 he tried to use this as part of his defence during the trial. 517 00:35:30,301 --> 00:35:34,101 But a traumatised childhood would not be a defence. 518 00:35:34,261 --> 00:35:36,301 It would perhaps be mitigation, 519 00:35:36,461 --> 00:35:38,741 but he still shot his father and his brother. 520 00:35:38,901 --> 00:35:41,261 He still murdered them. He knew he was murdering them, 521 00:35:41,421 --> 00:35:44,661 so the trauma would perhaps be relevant to his sentence 522 00:35:44,821 --> 00:35:46,741 but not relevant to his conviction. 523 00:35:50,741 --> 00:35:55,541 Mitigation is anything that could either explain why the person did it 524 00:35:55,701 --> 00:35:57,981 or anything that can get them a lower sentence. 525 00:35:58,141 --> 00:36:01,901 So we look at things like family history, personal history, 526 00:36:02,061 --> 00:36:06,981 and if your judge is convinced that there are reasons, 527 00:36:07,141 --> 00:36:10,461 not excuses but explanations for why a crime was committed 528 00:36:10,621 --> 00:36:16,461 and that there are reasons why your client is not like everyone else, 529 00:36:16,621 --> 00:36:20,861 that can go a long way in reducing a potential sentence. 530 00:36:23,221 --> 00:36:26,861 But it is going to be a lot about who the judge is, 531 00:36:27,021 --> 00:36:29,621 cos some are more compassionate than others. 532 00:36:31,061 --> 00:36:33,501 They're going to be looking at the fact that he's 18. 533 00:36:33,661 --> 00:36:37,061 The adolescent brain research that we have these days 534 00:36:37,221 --> 00:36:39,661 where adolescents, especially boys, 535 00:36:39,821 --> 00:36:43,661 don't really think that far into the consequences of their actions. 536 00:36:43,821 --> 00:36:45,021 They're more impulsive. 537 00:36:46,221 --> 00:36:48,741 So whatever sentence they bestow 538 00:36:48,901 --> 00:36:52,101 is going to be qualified by some of this research. 539 00:36:55,701 --> 00:37:00,621 There is no room for error because the stakes are so incredibly high, 540 00:37:00,781 --> 00:37:04,061 with a potential for life without parole 541 00:37:04,221 --> 00:37:08,581 or the death penalty, which is still active. 542 00:37:09,741 --> 00:37:11,901 We don't want false convictions. 543 00:37:21,021 --> 00:37:23,381 He receives life without the chance of parole. 544 00:37:25,581 --> 00:37:27,701 He will die in prison. 545 00:37:29,701 --> 00:37:34,221 The extra 50 years on top of those two life sentences 546 00:37:34,381 --> 00:37:37,501 is what we call enhancement. 547 00:37:37,661 --> 00:37:41,661 So if you use a gun in commission of a crime and someone dies, 548 00:37:41,821 --> 00:37:45,421 that adds 25 years to the sentence. 549 00:37:46,541 --> 00:37:49,141 That's a way to ensure that he would never get out of prison. 550 00:37:49,301 --> 00:37:51,461 Because if at some time 551 00:37:51,621 --> 00:37:54,741 life in prison were declared unconstitutional 552 00:37:54,901 --> 00:37:57,741 or parole was brought back, 553 00:37:57,901 --> 00:38:02,181 he would not be eligible for parole, because before he COULD be paroled, 554 00:38:02,341 --> 00:38:04,581 he'd have to serve those extra 50 years. 555 00:38:10,581 --> 00:38:12,421 This is one of these cases 556 00:38:12,581 --> 00:38:15,381 that you have to take everything into account. 557 00:38:17,901 --> 00:38:21,301 Not only was it meticulously planned, carefully planned... 558 00:38:23,461 --> 00:38:26,501 ...but it also involved the murder of your own family. 559 00:38:29,581 --> 00:38:32,501 This would have a tremendous impact on the jury 560 00:38:32,661 --> 00:38:34,701 as well as the community. 561 00:38:39,101 --> 00:38:40,941 The judge said something like, 562 00:38:41,101 --> 00:38:45,621 "I can understand maybe killing your father over abuse 563 00:38:45,781 --> 00:38:50,581 in your background, but you grabbed your brother by the collar 564 00:38:50,741 --> 00:38:52,861 and yanked him back and shot him. 565 00:38:53,021 --> 00:38:56,021 That is so brutal and unnecessary. 566 00:38:56,181 --> 00:38:57,661 And then you wanted to pin it on him." 567 00:38:57,821 --> 00:39:02,581 And I think that was the deciding factor, is the brutality of that. 568 00:39:13,141 --> 00:39:15,021 You don't really know it's staged 569 00:39:15,181 --> 00:39:17,941 unless there's something really, really apparent. 570 00:39:18,101 --> 00:39:20,781 The way is reported to law enforcement was really consistent 571 00:39:20,941 --> 00:39:23,981 with what I saw. One of the things that we're looking for, 572 00:39:24,141 --> 00:39:28,061 if we're looking at staging and trying to see, is, like, timing. 573 00:39:29,141 --> 00:39:33,661 Let's say if these events happened hours prior to being called 911, 574 00:39:33,821 --> 00:39:35,541 I could say, "Well, this doesn't make sense 575 00:39:35,701 --> 00:39:37,701 because this person is super cold. 576 00:39:37,861 --> 00:39:39,901 He's been passed away for some time," 577 00:39:40,061 --> 00:39:43,541 but for this case, everything was fairly consistent. 578 00:39:46,181 --> 00:39:49,261 The gun was there. The casings were there. 579 00:39:50,421 --> 00:39:52,741 The person who did it was there. 580 00:39:52,901 --> 00:39:54,941 There wasn't anything real elaborate or anything. 581 00:39:55,101 --> 00:39:58,301 It just appeared to be really straightforward. 582 00:39:59,301 --> 00:40:02,861 I mean, there was an effort being put forth 583 00:40:03,021 --> 00:40:05,781 to make it look like what it was, and it was done well 584 00:40:05,941 --> 00:40:09,061 except for the part where we have this other evidence. 585 00:40:12,021 --> 00:40:15,501 I think the only thing that was really out of the ordinary for me 586 00:40:15,661 --> 00:40:20,501 was just saying that it was a minor, autistic kid who did all of this. 587 00:40:20,661 --> 00:40:25,661 If it wasn't for that, I don't think I would have been so intrigued. 588 00:40:25,821 --> 00:40:28,701 Or you know, the red flags wouldn't have really come up. 589 00:40:33,701 --> 00:40:36,821 To me one of the more frustrating things within this case is, 590 00:40:36,981 --> 00:40:39,581 what was the motive? What was the rationale? What was the reason? 591 00:40:39,741 --> 00:40:41,981 There's been some alleged 592 00:40:42,141 --> 00:40:44,981 but nothing really positive that said 593 00:40:45,141 --> 00:40:48,021 this is the reason why, on this particular date, 594 00:40:48,181 --> 00:40:50,341 he killed his dad and then his brother. 595 00:40:51,461 --> 00:40:54,541 That's the most frustrating thing because that resolves everything. 596 00:40:58,781 --> 00:41:03,501 Now I feel like I'm working on behalf of that community, 597 00:41:03,661 --> 00:41:04,781 that autistic community. 598 00:41:06,421 --> 00:41:09,061 When it all kind of comes to light 599 00:41:09,221 --> 00:41:12,621 that this was not the one who did it, 600 00:41:12,781 --> 00:41:14,821 you feel some great satisfaction knowing 601 00:41:14,981 --> 00:41:16,541 that I was a part of it in some way. 602 00:41:21,981 --> 00:41:25,261 His family doesn't think of him as an evil person. 603 00:41:25,421 --> 00:41:28,741 They think of him as somebody who had a moment 604 00:41:28,901 --> 00:41:30,861 that is really unexplainable, 605 00:41:31,021 --> 00:41:33,661 and I think that will sit with them forever. 606 00:41:33,821 --> 00:41:38,021 They'll always try to understand what came over him that day. 607 00:41:40,781 --> 00:41:43,261 Because they were so young, both Brian and Robert, 608 00:41:43,421 --> 00:41:44,821 when this took place, 609 00:41:44,981 --> 00:41:48,221 it was just such a horrible tragedy and lives lost. 610 00:41:48,381 --> 00:41:51,501 Both of them would never get to live out their futures. 611 00:41:52,581 --> 00:41:55,821 They would never get to continue being part of that community 612 00:41:55,981 --> 00:41:57,741 that they were so involved in, 613 00:41:57,901 --> 00:42:01,021 and it's a loss for everyone around them. 614 00:42:04,581 --> 00:42:07,901 When something like this happens in such a small community, 615 00:42:08,061 --> 00:42:10,261 it's something that will stay with them forever. 616 00:42:12,221 --> 00:42:14,861 These were people that were enmeshed in their lives every day. 617 00:42:15,021 --> 00:42:17,781 They were people... They were children that they saw grow up. 618 00:42:17,941 --> 00:42:20,981 And to see them ripped apart like this, 619 00:42:21,141 --> 00:42:23,621 one of them, the rest of their life in prison, 620 00:42:23,781 --> 00:42:26,461 it's something that they will never forget. 621 00:42:58,781 --> 00:43:00,981 Subtitles by Sky Access Services 50665

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