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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,901 --> 00:00:17,181 There is very little random murder. 2 00:00:18,461 --> 00:00:21,941 Most murder takes place between people who know each other. 3 00:00:22,101 --> 00:00:24,261 So then the question becomes, why? 4 00:00:25,901 --> 00:00:28,861 What we do know is that he is OK with being violent. 5 00:00:30,541 --> 00:00:33,301 He doesn't hesitate to use violence for his own ends. 6 00:00:35,021 --> 00:00:39,141 This person has got some serious psychological problems. 7 00:00:39,301 --> 00:00:42,181 This isn't the first time he's been involved with law enforcement. 8 00:00:43,461 --> 00:00:47,101 Somebody who she loved, who she brought into her home, 9 00:00:47,261 --> 00:00:49,501 around her whole family, trusted with her life, 10 00:00:49,661 --> 00:00:52,861 was capable of doing something like this to her and her loved ones. 11 00:00:54,421 --> 00:00:55,981 Her throat had been cut. 12 00:00:56,141 --> 00:00:58,381 There was no blood around the body, 13 00:00:58,541 --> 00:01:01,461 so indicating that the body had been moved. 14 00:01:03,781 --> 00:01:07,061 The crime is an interconnected sequence of events. 15 00:01:07,221 --> 00:01:10,461 And when you stage an event, you never get the exact sequence. 16 00:01:12,501 --> 00:01:13,981 It's a salacious case. 17 00:01:14,141 --> 00:01:17,741 A double murder of a wife and mother-in-law 18 00:01:17,901 --> 00:01:19,421 does draw some attention. 19 00:01:21,381 --> 00:01:24,061 When they examined the trunk of the car, 20 00:01:24,221 --> 00:01:26,141 they also found two lots of blood 21 00:01:28,021 --> 00:01:30,661 and that linked to both of the victims. 22 00:01:32,341 --> 00:01:36,701 It does appear that he has a motive to silence the people who 23 00:01:36,861 --> 00:01:40,021 may know about this affair. 24 00:01:41,581 --> 00:01:44,141 He's someone who clearly doesn't have a conscience 25 00:01:44,301 --> 00:01:48,901 and was able to do something truly unfathomable. 26 00:02:02,101 --> 00:02:04,821 San Diego is a great area. There's lots of things to do here. 27 00:02:06,581 --> 00:02:10,621 There's beaches. There's a lot of surfing, mountains. 28 00:02:11,941 --> 00:02:14,821 It actually snows in the mountains sometimes during the winter time. 29 00:02:14,981 --> 00:02:18,181 So you can go from one extreme to the other all in one day. 30 00:02:18,341 --> 00:02:20,421 A lot of people come here for vacations. 31 00:02:24,861 --> 00:02:28,461 Thao Richardson and her husband, Michael, 32 00:02:28,621 --> 00:02:31,701 and their seven-year-old daughter lived in Chula Vista, 33 00:02:31,861 --> 00:02:35,101 which was just below San Diego, in a nice house. 34 00:02:37,221 --> 00:02:40,541 The neighbourhood that they lived in was known as a melting pot, 35 00:02:40,701 --> 00:02:42,381 was a really beautiful area. 36 00:02:42,541 --> 00:02:44,701 It was definitely a desirable place to live. 37 00:02:45,821 --> 00:02:48,701 They were considered a normal family, just like everyone else. 38 00:02:50,621 --> 00:02:54,821 Thao was working as an automation clerk at USPS. 39 00:02:56,581 --> 00:02:58,461 It was a place she had been at for a while, 40 00:02:58,621 --> 00:03:02,221 and seemed like she really loved her job and loved her coworkers. 41 00:03:05,221 --> 00:03:08,301 At the time, Michael owned a mechanic shop. 42 00:03:08,461 --> 00:03:10,501 They seemed to be doing quite well. 43 00:03:10,661 --> 00:03:12,861 They were reasonably well off 44 00:03:13,021 --> 00:03:15,941 and seemed like they kind of had everything they wanted. 45 00:03:19,221 --> 00:03:22,741 Thao's mother, sister and niece came over from Vietnam 46 00:03:22,901 --> 00:03:24,701 and moved in with Thao and Michael, 47 00:03:24,861 --> 00:03:27,901 and they all seemed to live together very harmoniously. 48 00:03:29,381 --> 00:03:31,661 They were just a multi-generational home. 49 00:03:31,821 --> 00:03:33,901 And, you know, everything seemed to be great. 50 00:03:41,501 --> 00:03:43,941 San Diego is a major metropolitan area, 51 00:03:44,101 --> 00:03:48,301 and it has crime that any other large metropolitan area has. 52 00:03:50,981 --> 00:03:52,541 Crime, in and of itself, 53 00:03:52,701 --> 00:03:58,701 is frequently driven by trauma or neglect, poverty. 54 00:03:58,861 --> 00:04:00,701 So we have all of those influences 55 00:04:00,861 --> 00:04:02,901 the same as any other major community. 56 00:04:05,141 --> 00:04:06,821 There's everything here. 57 00:04:08,341 --> 00:04:09,621 You go from petty thefts. 58 00:04:09,781 --> 00:04:13,061 You go from minor burglaries to heinous murders. 59 00:04:27,261 --> 00:04:30,261 I got a call that there had been what was believed to be 60 00:04:30,421 --> 00:04:33,221 a traffic collision with a couple of fatalities. 61 00:04:38,421 --> 00:04:41,901 When the scene was discovered, they called the highway patrol 62 00:04:42,061 --> 00:04:43,981 to investigate the case initially, 63 00:04:44,141 --> 00:04:49,261 because it looked superficially like it was an automobile accident. 64 00:04:49,421 --> 00:04:50,781 So the first reports that I got 65 00:04:50,941 --> 00:04:55,781 were the kind of reports you would expect to see in a traffic accident, 66 00:04:55,941 --> 00:04:58,461 where they're taking measurements and they're looking for skid marks, 67 00:04:58,621 --> 00:05:02,301 and they're creating scale diagrams of the roadway 68 00:05:02,461 --> 00:05:04,741 and the location of where the vehicle was. 69 00:05:09,661 --> 00:05:12,621 And you have bodies on the hillside, which is consistent. 70 00:05:12,781 --> 00:05:15,701 We see that all the time in traffic fatalities. 71 00:05:15,861 --> 00:05:19,221 Car doors opened and bodies get flung out. I mean, it happens. 72 00:05:23,621 --> 00:05:27,061 Highway patrol officers would be quite experienced in crash scenes. 73 00:05:28,661 --> 00:05:31,301 The objects that the car strikes can damage the vehicle. 74 00:05:31,461 --> 00:05:35,221 So you might find plastic from broken indicator lenses. 75 00:05:35,381 --> 00:05:37,221 There may be smashed glass. 76 00:05:39,581 --> 00:05:43,261 In this instance, there was no trail of damage 77 00:05:43,421 --> 00:05:46,981 or debris that indicated the car left the road at high speed. 78 00:05:53,221 --> 00:05:56,101 There was a relatively clear, continuous trail 79 00:05:56,261 --> 00:05:58,981 from the edge of the highway to the vehicle, 80 00:05:59,141 --> 00:06:02,541 and the broken glass was right beside the vehicle, 81 00:06:02,701 --> 00:06:06,221 which essentially indicated that it had been broken 82 00:06:06,381 --> 00:06:08,221 while the vehicle was at rest. 83 00:06:11,781 --> 00:06:13,581 My sergeant was on call, 84 00:06:13,741 --> 00:06:16,821 so he contacted me as I was the lead detective for it. 85 00:06:16,981 --> 00:06:21,341 So then he also contacted other detectives on my team, 86 00:06:21,501 --> 00:06:23,381 then we responded to the scene. 87 00:06:25,661 --> 00:06:28,181 There was tyre marks on the curb line, 88 00:06:28,341 --> 00:06:34,181 and then there was where a path of the vehicle went down and over 89 00:06:34,341 --> 00:06:37,541 the embankment, and you could see where the grass was matted flat. 90 00:06:39,901 --> 00:06:41,821 My partner and I walked down the embankment 91 00:06:41,981 --> 00:06:44,941 and we were again looking at the matted grass. 92 00:06:45,101 --> 00:06:47,741 So we got down there and we saw the vehicle was upright 93 00:06:47,901 --> 00:06:49,981 and there was two deceased women. 94 00:06:50,141 --> 00:06:52,621 They were already in body bags and that's where they were placed 95 00:06:52,781 --> 00:06:54,061 for the medical examiner. 96 00:06:56,501 --> 00:06:59,221 We actually had our helicopter search the area to make sure 97 00:06:59,381 --> 00:07:02,421 that there weren't any additional potential victims visible, 98 00:07:02,581 --> 00:07:05,261 because if there were then we would have sent search and rescue down 99 00:07:05,421 --> 00:07:06,821 to try to recover the bodies. 100 00:07:09,861 --> 00:07:13,461 Out in that rural area, it's a common known area where 101 00:07:13,621 --> 00:07:16,381 things are disposed of, just for trash. 102 00:07:22,501 --> 00:07:25,101 If people want to get rid of whatever they have, 103 00:07:25,261 --> 00:07:28,861 just to throw it off the road, and hopefully it goes down far enough. 104 00:07:29,021 --> 00:07:32,541 So when people saw it, initially, they didn't think anything of it. 105 00:07:32,701 --> 00:07:35,981 They thought it was just another vehicle being dumped off the road. 106 00:07:41,181 --> 00:07:44,061 We're very lucky because we knew who the victims were. 107 00:07:44,221 --> 00:07:45,381 We had their names. 108 00:07:45,541 --> 00:07:47,621 So once you have their names, you can go back 109 00:07:47,781 --> 00:07:49,701 and start figuring out who they related to. 110 00:07:49,861 --> 00:07:51,541 Where do they live? What do they do? 111 00:07:54,301 --> 00:07:57,621 Thao's sister and the rest of her family get the phone call 112 00:07:57,781 --> 00:08:01,381 that her and her mother were found dead on the side of the road. 113 00:08:01,541 --> 00:08:03,181 It's absolute shock. 114 00:08:04,821 --> 00:08:06,581 It was unfathomable. 115 00:08:26,781 --> 00:08:29,221 Property owner reported that there was a vehicle 116 00:08:29,381 --> 00:08:33,821 that had ran off the road and was over the side of the embankment 117 00:08:33,981 --> 00:08:35,901 here on the east side of the roadway. 118 00:08:36,061 --> 00:08:39,021 It's been discovered that there were two occupants in the vehicle. 119 00:08:39,181 --> 00:08:41,781 However, both occupants were fully ejected 120 00:08:41,941 --> 00:08:44,581 and came to rest outside the vehicle. 121 00:08:47,501 --> 00:08:50,221 Usually, a car gets going at a rate of speed 122 00:08:50,381 --> 00:08:53,701 that takes it off the road is going to launch. 123 00:08:55,181 --> 00:08:56,661 And this car didn't. 124 00:08:59,061 --> 00:09:01,701 If you have a vehicle launching, it's going to go up. 125 00:09:01,861 --> 00:09:04,781 And there was absolutely no indication of that whatsoever. 126 00:09:06,661 --> 00:09:09,981 If there was a traffic collision, you see seat belt trauma, 127 00:09:10,141 --> 00:09:11,741 you see head trauma. 128 00:09:14,901 --> 00:09:19,021 The younger lady had some trauma to her head, but she wasn't 129 00:09:19,181 --> 00:09:22,821 really visible injuries because she was so decomposed at the time. 130 00:09:25,221 --> 00:09:29,341 But the elderly lady, her throat was slit from ear to ear, basically. 131 00:09:30,341 --> 00:09:31,541 Then you could also see 132 00:09:31,701 --> 00:09:34,101 there was a lot of blood in the trunk of the vehicle. 133 00:09:34,981 --> 00:09:37,181 And that's not common in a traffic collision. 134 00:09:44,581 --> 00:09:47,461 The thing that caught everybody's attention was looking at the car 135 00:09:47,621 --> 00:09:50,581 and realising that the keys weren't inside, 136 00:09:50,741 --> 00:09:52,781 and the car had been put in park. 137 00:09:52,941 --> 00:09:57,381 Well, that's not consistent with a car involved in an accident. 138 00:10:03,661 --> 00:10:06,501 One of the key things that jumps out in this case 139 00:10:06,661 --> 00:10:09,541 is the kind of incoherence of the location of the vehicle 140 00:10:09,701 --> 00:10:12,661 versus other factors at the crime scene. 141 00:10:12,821 --> 00:10:15,981 So it would have been immediately obvious to them, 142 00:10:16,141 --> 00:10:20,101 I suspect, that this vehicle had rolled down this verge. 143 00:10:20,261 --> 00:10:22,781 As you see here at the scene there's no skid marks, 144 00:10:22,941 --> 00:10:24,301 there's no physical evidence, 145 00:10:24,461 --> 00:10:26,701 apparently nobody heard it, nobody saw it. 146 00:10:29,301 --> 00:10:31,701 The two bodies were not in the car, 147 00:10:31,861 --> 00:10:35,421 and the car rolled down a verge at low speed, 148 00:10:35,581 --> 00:10:38,701 you would expect the bodies still to be in it. 149 00:10:40,701 --> 00:10:42,221 There is no driver in the car. 150 00:10:42,381 --> 00:10:47,181 The two bodies have got wounds that are completely inconsistent 151 00:10:47,341 --> 00:10:50,381 with being caused by a vehicle incident. 152 00:10:52,981 --> 00:10:55,581 One of the victims has their throat cut 153 00:10:57,261 --> 00:11:01,261 and another victim has been suffocated or strangled. 154 00:11:03,101 --> 00:11:07,061 Now, you would expect someone who was found in the position 155 00:11:07,221 --> 00:11:08,861 where the throat had been cut 156 00:11:09,021 --> 00:11:11,701 to have bled a great deal around the body. 157 00:11:11,861 --> 00:11:14,261 There was no blood around the body, 158 00:11:14,421 --> 00:11:17,581 so it indicated that the body had been moved. 159 00:11:19,061 --> 00:11:23,781 And in fact they are clearly signs of a double homicide. 160 00:11:30,781 --> 00:11:33,021 After the Highway Patrol alerts the detectives 161 00:11:33,181 --> 00:11:36,781 that this is inconsistent, now we're looking at this as a homicide. 162 00:11:38,301 --> 00:11:39,821 So now we're going to do the same thing. 163 00:11:39,981 --> 00:11:41,501 Now we're going to do the crime scene. 164 00:11:41,661 --> 00:11:43,301 Now they're going to look at the vehicle 165 00:11:43,461 --> 00:11:45,501 and start with the same process. 166 00:11:45,661 --> 00:11:48,061 The first thing that the police want to do 167 00:11:48,221 --> 00:11:50,421 is look to see who owns the car. 168 00:11:50,581 --> 00:11:52,061 Who are the victims? 169 00:11:52,221 --> 00:11:54,541 What relationship do they have with the car? 170 00:11:54,701 --> 00:11:56,301 Do they own it? Does somebody else own it? 171 00:11:58,781 --> 00:12:01,181 The car tracks back to Michael Richardson 172 00:12:01,341 --> 00:12:02,901 and so he's a person of interest. 173 00:12:03,061 --> 00:12:04,781 It doesn't mean he's a suspect in anything. 174 00:12:04,941 --> 00:12:08,701 But they want to know, how is he related to the two victims? 175 00:12:08,861 --> 00:12:11,421 One is his wife, one is his mother-in-law. 176 00:12:16,501 --> 00:12:19,581 And Michael Richardson has to be approached carefully, 177 00:12:19,741 --> 00:12:22,181 just to watch what kind of story he tells. 178 00:12:22,341 --> 00:12:25,661 What does he say about this car? What does he say about the victims? 179 00:12:25,821 --> 00:12:29,421 How is he going to react when he finds out that they're dead? 180 00:12:29,581 --> 00:12:32,101 Clearly at least one has been murdered. 181 00:12:36,221 --> 00:12:41,381 So he's the chief suspect in this, and they need to know, where was he? 182 00:12:42,581 --> 00:12:45,941 Is his car stolen, so that he called it in? 183 00:12:46,101 --> 00:12:47,861 You know, what's his story? 184 00:12:50,181 --> 00:12:54,221 The investigators conducted an investigation from the inside out. 185 00:12:56,101 --> 00:12:57,901 Why would someone kill these people? 186 00:12:58,061 --> 00:13:00,901 And why would someone take the extra step to make it 187 00:13:01,061 --> 00:13:02,301 look like a car crash? 188 00:13:05,261 --> 00:13:10,541 So they will start always with people closest to the deceased. 189 00:13:13,541 --> 00:13:16,421 When you're looking for a motive, there's a very wide range. 190 00:13:16,581 --> 00:13:18,421 Typically, it's going to be monetary. 191 00:13:18,581 --> 00:13:21,261 I mean, insurance or something like that. 192 00:13:21,421 --> 00:13:24,581 But it could be also something as simple as I want to be free, 193 00:13:24,741 --> 00:13:26,021 I don't want to be married again. 194 00:13:28,341 --> 00:13:30,581 Once we've established Richardson 195 00:13:30,741 --> 00:13:33,541 as being the husband and the son-in-law, 196 00:13:33,701 --> 00:13:38,181 the most likely crime scene is going to be at the family residence. 197 00:13:41,341 --> 00:13:45,341 I sent a couple of my detectives from the team to the residence. 198 00:13:48,101 --> 00:13:50,381 They knocked for several minutes, got no answer, 199 00:13:50,541 --> 00:13:53,341 so they forced entry into the house by kicking the door in. 200 00:13:55,781 --> 00:13:57,941 When they got inside, 201 00:13:58,101 --> 00:14:00,101 Mr Richardson was walking down the stairs 202 00:14:00,261 --> 00:14:01,981 holding his child in front of him. 203 00:14:02,141 --> 00:14:05,421 It appeared to them that he was using her as a shield. 204 00:14:07,781 --> 00:14:10,061 Basically, acted like he didn't know what was going on. 205 00:14:10,221 --> 00:14:12,941 So they brought Mr Richardson and the daughter 206 00:14:13,101 --> 00:14:15,741 back to the Sheriff's homicide unit for an interview. 207 00:14:17,981 --> 00:14:19,861 He said he wanted a lawyer, so he didn't talk. 208 00:14:20,021 --> 00:14:21,381 Then I asked him afterwards. 209 00:14:21,541 --> 00:14:23,181 I said are you aware your wife is dead? 210 00:14:23,341 --> 00:14:24,621 And he said yes. 211 00:14:24,781 --> 00:14:27,381 And he changed his mind real quickly and said no. 212 00:14:28,741 --> 00:14:30,781 So at that point, we didn't know what happened, 213 00:14:30,941 --> 00:14:34,541 if they had been kidnapped, murdered, or if he was involved. 214 00:14:34,701 --> 00:14:35,981 We had absolutely no idea. 215 00:14:38,141 --> 00:14:40,621 That's when we contacted Chula Vista Police Department 216 00:14:40,781 --> 00:14:42,821 to learn more about Mr Richardson 217 00:14:42,981 --> 00:14:45,101 and about his prior arrest 218 00:14:45,261 --> 00:14:48,541 of child molestation charges with his niece. 219 00:15:02,581 --> 00:15:07,461 One day Thao found some text messages on Michael's phone 220 00:15:07,621 --> 00:15:10,301 that seemed to indicate that he had been engaging 221 00:15:10,461 --> 00:15:14,221 in an inappropriate relationship with her 17-year-old niece. 222 00:15:17,701 --> 00:15:22,381 It made her feel sick, and she confronts Michael about it, 223 00:15:22,541 --> 00:15:25,781 and she tells her sister that she's going to do something about it. 224 00:15:29,261 --> 00:15:33,021 The sister then files a temporary restraining order against Michael, 225 00:15:33,181 --> 00:15:37,501 and they file a case to make sure that he stays away from them. 226 00:15:39,261 --> 00:15:42,181 But they were unable to move forward with all of the charges 227 00:15:42,341 --> 00:15:46,341 against Michael because Thao's niece was uncooperative 228 00:15:46,501 --> 00:15:48,581 and so it kind of fizzles out. 229 00:15:48,741 --> 00:15:50,501 The case and the charges are dropped. 230 00:15:53,941 --> 00:15:58,101 So it does appear that he has a motive to silence the people 231 00:15:58,261 --> 00:16:01,661 who may know about this affair. 232 00:16:04,901 --> 00:16:07,461 Police arrest Michael Richardson 233 00:16:07,621 --> 00:16:11,221 for having a relationship with an underage girl, 234 00:16:11,381 --> 00:16:16,141 and that helps them to be able to investigate this more fully. 235 00:16:19,781 --> 00:16:23,981 They'll want to determine if he had any resentment, 236 00:16:24,141 --> 00:16:28,141 if there was some impending event like a divorce, 237 00:16:28,301 --> 00:16:33,141 or is there anything he wanted to stop them from finding out 238 00:16:33,301 --> 00:16:35,501 or stop them from revealing. 239 00:16:35,661 --> 00:16:38,301 So they're going to be looking for anything like that. 240 00:16:44,541 --> 00:16:48,341 If Michael Richardson were innocent, he would be horrified, 241 00:16:48,501 --> 00:16:51,461 and he would want to help investigators 242 00:16:51,621 --> 00:16:53,661 to find the person who did this. 243 00:16:55,061 --> 00:16:57,341 He would have a ready explanation for why 244 00:16:57,501 --> 00:17:00,461 he didn't submit any kind of missing persons report. 245 00:17:00,621 --> 00:17:02,701 He would say, "Oh, they went on a trip," 246 00:17:02,861 --> 00:17:06,581 and you would have some reason why he hadn't missed them. 247 00:17:09,261 --> 00:17:11,621 That was, in a sense, a tactical arrest. 248 00:17:11,781 --> 00:17:13,501 He was then in custody. 249 00:17:13,661 --> 00:17:16,261 They then obtained a search warrant to search his home. 250 00:17:19,581 --> 00:17:21,581 What would they be searching for? 251 00:17:21,741 --> 00:17:23,781 One of the victims had their throat cut. 252 00:17:23,941 --> 00:17:25,941 So an obvious thing to search for 253 00:17:26,101 --> 00:17:29,821 is the weapon which was used to cut the throat. 254 00:17:29,981 --> 00:17:32,381 That would have shed a great deal of blood. 255 00:17:32,541 --> 00:17:34,141 And whether there was any blood there. 256 00:17:41,061 --> 00:17:44,181 Interviews with the seven-year-old daughter were very important, 257 00:17:44,341 --> 00:17:48,861 because she describes a particular stain that appears during the time 258 00:17:49,021 --> 00:17:50,941 when she would have disappeared. 259 00:17:54,021 --> 00:17:57,741 The daughter told the detective from Chula Vista Police Department 260 00:17:57,901 --> 00:18:00,501 that there was a large stain in the grandmother's room 261 00:18:00,661 --> 00:18:03,101 that had not been there the last time she saw them, 262 00:18:03,261 --> 00:18:05,301 so that was enough for us to get probable cause 263 00:18:05,461 --> 00:18:06,701 to get the search warrant. 264 00:18:09,381 --> 00:18:12,381 And once we made entry into the room and began searching, 265 00:18:12,541 --> 00:18:15,661 there was a large dark stain in the corner of the room. 266 00:18:17,741 --> 00:18:19,221 When we stepped on the carpet, 267 00:18:19,381 --> 00:18:22,221 there had been a large rug placed over top of a portion 268 00:18:22,381 --> 00:18:25,901 of the carpet that was partially under the bed to be held down. 269 00:18:27,261 --> 00:18:28,861 So when you stepped on it, 270 00:18:29,021 --> 00:18:31,981 there was a sinking feeling like there was a hole in the carpet. 271 00:18:32,141 --> 00:18:33,821 So we pulled the rug up 272 00:18:33,981 --> 00:18:36,501 and there had been portions of the carpet removed, 273 00:18:36,661 --> 00:18:38,061 a large cut-out area, 274 00:18:38,221 --> 00:18:40,741 and then filler pieces kind of thrown in there. 275 00:18:43,461 --> 00:18:48,501 So from that we found large red stains on the carpet there as well. 276 00:18:48,661 --> 00:18:52,781 So we knew there was more to it than just an argument. 277 00:18:55,861 --> 00:18:58,501 There had been a large amount of blood spilled in that room. 278 00:18:58,661 --> 00:19:02,701 On a hard surface, you can wipe blood away. 279 00:19:04,421 --> 00:19:07,341 If the blood is on a fabric, or say a carpet, 280 00:19:07,501 --> 00:19:11,341 it is quite difficult to completely get blood out of a carpet. 281 00:19:13,261 --> 00:19:16,621 If it's a dark carpet, the blood would be very difficult to see. 282 00:19:16,781 --> 00:19:21,221 But you can use very simple tests to locate blood that you can't see. 283 00:19:21,381 --> 00:19:23,141 So you can screen a whole carpet, 284 00:19:23,301 --> 00:19:25,821 and then you locate an area, 285 00:19:25,981 --> 00:19:28,021 even though you can't see any blood on it 286 00:19:28,181 --> 00:19:29,901 that indicates there's blood there. 287 00:19:30,781 --> 00:19:32,621 You can sample that area. 288 00:19:32,781 --> 00:19:34,261 You can confirm it's blood, 289 00:19:34,421 --> 00:19:37,021 and you can very often get a DNA profile from it. 290 00:19:47,821 --> 00:19:50,661 The blood in itself was a great deal of suspicion, 291 00:19:50,821 --> 00:19:54,901 but the fact that he tried to clean it up would probably convince them 292 00:19:55,061 --> 00:19:57,141 that he was directly involved. 293 00:20:01,301 --> 00:20:04,381 Oh, he became an instant suspect because he obviously was involved 294 00:20:04,541 --> 00:20:07,101 in this because he tried to do a major clean-up 295 00:20:07,261 --> 00:20:08,381 and it just didn't work. 296 00:20:18,021 --> 00:20:20,501 The car was reported by some local people 297 00:20:20,661 --> 00:20:24,461 when they returned from holiday, but the pathology examination 298 00:20:24,621 --> 00:20:28,301 showed that the bodies had been dead for a number of days. 299 00:20:28,461 --> 00:20:33,381 Yet Michael Richardson had not reported either his wife 300 00:20:33,541 --> 00:20:35,701 or his mother as being missing 301 00:20:35,861 --> 00:20:39,581 and therefore drew even more suspicion onto himself. 302 00:20:44,061 --> 00:20:48,861 What had happened after the ladies were dumped down off the embankment, 303 00:20:49,021 --> 00:20:51,461 there was a dirt road that I don't believe that the suspect 304 00:20:51,621 --> 00:20:52,781 thought was down there. 305 00:20:52,941 --> 00:20:56,181 I believe he thought it was going to go down two or three hundred feet, 306 00:20:56,341 --> 00:20:58,341 and if it had been a traffic collision, 307 00:20:58,501 --> 00:21:01,381 then the vehicle would have gone down there and probably never found. 308 00:21:01,541 --> 00:21:03,341 I think that's what he was hoping for. 309 00:21:11,981 --> 00:21:14,861 Michael Richardson also had an auto shop. 310 00:21:15,021 --> 00:21:18,101 Well, he's staging an auto accident. 311 00:21:18,261 --> 00:21:21,181 So to me it would be critically important to go back 312 00:21:21,341 --> 00:21:24,461 to look at the auto shop just to see what could have been done 313 00:21:24,621 --> 00:21:28,421 in order to facilitate the staging of the traffic accident. 314 00:21:33,501 --> 00:21:35,181 He was also a mechanic, 315 00:21:35,341 --> 00:21:38,061 so at some point he probably had access to a tow truck. 316 00:21:38,221 --> 00:21:40,261 That's how we believe the vehicle 317 00:21:40,421 --> 00:21:42,301 was deposited off the side of the road. 318 00:21:45,141 --> 00:21:47,901 There was a large tyre mark on the curb line 319 00:21:48,061 --> 00:21:51,421 that looked like some type of vehicle backed into it. 320 00:21:51,581 --> 00:21:55,621 And it'll be quite perfect for a tow truck to raise the bed, 321 00:21:55,781 --> 00:21:58,101 let the vehicle slide off and go right down the hill. 322 00:21:59,141 --> 00:22:00,781 That's what we believe happened. 323 00:22:04,781 --> 00:22:08,341 When he heard the collision from the 50 feet down, 324 00:22:08,501 --> 00:22:10,421 I'm sure he realised this isn't going to go far enough. 325 00:22:10,581 --> 00:22:14,301 That's when I and we believe that he went down, 326 00:22:14,461 --> 00:22:17,221 took the bodies out, if they hadn't been ejected 327 00:22:17,381 --> 00:22:20,901 already from the trunk, and then tried to throw them down the hill. 328 00:22:21,061 --> 00:22:23,821 But fortunately for us, a large bush caught them 329 00:22:23,981 --> 00:22:26,621 and stopped them from going any further down the hill. 330 00:22:34,821 --> 00:22:38,541 Not only was it disturbing enough that Michael was already 331 00:22:38,701 --> 00:22:40,981 potentially involved with Thao's niece, 332 00:22:41,141 --> 00:22:43,901 but once Thao's family finds out that Michael 333 00:22:44,061 --> 00:22:47,581 may be involved in actually killing her and killing her mother, 334 00:22:47,741 --> 00:22:50,781 that was something that they had never even thought possible. 335 00:22:57,101 --> 00:23:03,061 It also became known to the police that he was the boyfriend of a woman 336 00:23:03,221 --> 00:23:05,101 who had died many years ago, 337 00:23:05,261 --> 00:23:07,941 and was a person of interest in that case. 338 00:23:12,941 --> 00:23:15,021 This person, Mr Richardson, 339 00:23:15,181 --> 00:23:17,461 has got some serious psychological problems. 340 00:23:17,621 --> 00:23:20,941 This isn't the first time he had been involved with law enforcement. 341 00:23:34,341 --> 00:23:37,261 Physical evidence shows the vehicle ran off the roadway. 342 00:23:37,421 --> 00:23:39,141 We have two fully ejected occupants 343 00:23:39,301 --> 00:23:41,941 that appear to have been out there for quite some time. 344 00:23:46,621 --> 00:23:50,101 This person isn't immune to killing people 345 00:23:50,261 --> 00:23:52,421 or making them disappear. 346 00:23:54,581 --> 00:23:57,581 Richardson was serving, I believe, in the US Air Force, 347 00:23:57,741 --> 00:24:01,021 and he committed a carjacking of a taxi driver, 348 00:24:01,181 --> 00:24:03,221 and he ended up shooting the taxi driver. 349 00:24:03,381 --> 00:24:05,381 Fortunately, the taxi driver didn't die 350 00:24:05,541 --> 00:24:07,301 and was able to identify Richardson. 351 00:24:08,701 --> 00:24:11,581 He was arrested, charged, and he was sent to prison, 352 00:24:11,741 --> 00:24:13,661 I believe it was in North Carolina. 353 00:24:13,821 --> 00:24:19,141 And at some point he escaped from custody and came out to San Diego. 354 00:24:20,261 --> 00:24:24,501 He met a woman, and that woman had a child. 355 00:24:24,661 --> 00:24:26,181 He began molesting the child 356 00:24:26,341 --> 00:24:29,181 after having a sexual relationship with her. 357 00:24:29,341 --> 00:24:32,861 And then the woman, when she confronted him, 358 00:24:33,021 --> 00:24:35,741 she was never seen again. She was reported missing. 359 00:24:35,901 --> 00:24:37,581 So when Mr Richardson was contacted 360 00:24:37,741 --> 00:24:39,701 by the National City Police Department, 361 00:24:39,861 --> 00:24:43,221 he was taken into custody, sent back to North Carolina. 362 00:24:43,381 --> 00:24:45,781 He did a little while longer in custody, 363 00:24:45,941 --> 00:24:47,421 and somehow he was released. 364 00:24:50,381 --> 00:24:52,821 And he came back out to the San Diego area 365 00:24:52,981 --> 00:24:55,661 and ultimately met his now deceased wife. 366 00:24:58,821 --> 00:25:02,981 He doesn't hesitate to use violence when he needs to. 367 00:25:03,141 --> 00:25:07,181 It is part of his background and when we try to predict if someone's 368 00:25:07,341 --> 00:25:11,701 going to be violent in the future, past violence is a very big factor. 369 00:25:14,261 --> 00:25:17,461 As more of Michael's history starts to come to light, 370 00:25:17,621 --> 00:25:21,381 the fact that he was a fugitive for the last 18 years, 371 00:25:21,541 --> 00:25:23,821 there begins to grow some frustration, you know, 372 00:25:23,981 --> 00:25:26,501 within the various police departments who have become involved 373 00:25:26,661 --> 00:25:29,541 and with the community and with Thao's family, 374 00:25:29,701 --> 00:25:32,701 that, you know, this is a person with a criminal past. 375 00:25:32,861 --> 00:25:36,341 Could this crime against Thao and her mum have been stopped? 376 00:25:39,181 --> 00:25:40,461 With all homicides, 377 00:25:40,621 --> 00:25:43,941 the important thing is any witnesses outside of the event; 378 00:25:45,661 --> 00:25:47,581 these are the ones that are going to tell us 379 00:25:47,741 --> 00:25:50,141 about what was going on in their life. 380 00:25:50,301 --> 00:25:53,981 Any observations of Michael? Any observations of anybody else? 381 00:25:56,101 --> 00:25:58,821 Any observations of the mother-in-law and the wife? 382 00:26:00,021 --> 00:26:01,661 All that is critical information 383 00:26:01,821 --> 00:26:03,421 that they should be diving into right now. 384 00:26:03,581 --> 00:26:05,901 Because, again, nothing happens in a vacuum. 385 00:26:06,061 --> 00:26:08,181 There's always a before, during and after. 386 00:26:08,341 --> 00:26:10,421 One of the most important things to establish is, 387 00:26:10,581 --> 00:26:14,101 when's the last time the wife and mother-in-law were seen alive? 388 00:26:15,941 --> 00:26:16,941 That's critical. 389 00:26:23,701 --> 00:26:25,381 You talk to the neighbours. 390 00:26:25,541 --> 00:26:28,461 That's when we learned that Mr Richardson had dropped off 391 00:26:28,621 --> 00:26:32,261 his daughter at their house for a birthday party. 392 00:26:32,421 --> 00:26:34,261 And when he came back in the afternoon, 393 00:26:34,421 --> 00:26:36,821 apparently he was all sweaty and he looked dishevelled. 394 00:26:38,941 --> 00:26:41,021 So that was probably the day of the murders. 395 00:26:44,021 --> 00:26:47,541 The bodies had decomposed a bit. 396 00:26:47,701 --> 00:26:51,701 They want to try to pinpoint the time of death. 397 00:26:51,861 --> 00:26:54,981 What they're doing is pinpointing time since death. 398 00:26:55,141 --> 00:26:57,701 So the time at which the bodies were discovered, 399 00:26:57,861 --> 00:27:01,901 trying to get it back to around when they had died. 400 00:27:02,061 --> 00:27:05,461 So then what was he doing at that time? Where was he? 401 00:27:05,621 --> 00:27:08,461 And trying to find out his proximity to them 402 00:27:08,621 --> 00:27:10,261 at the time that they were killed. 403 00:27:13,781 --> 00:27:16,381 Detectives should be focusing on what happened 404 00:27:16,541 --> 00:27:17,861 during that particular time, 405 00:27:18,021 --> 00:27:21,981 because crime is an interconnected sequence of events. 406 00:27:22,141 --> 00:27:24,941 When you stage an event, you never get the exact sequence. 407 00:27:26,821 --> 00:27:29,341 So now we want to go back in that particular sequence. 408 00:27:29,501 --> 00:27:31,061 That becomes critical, 409 00:27:31,221 --> 00:27:34,061 because that's when the actual staging down the hill took place. 410 00:27:39,861 --> 00:27:42,301 When they examined the trunk of the car, 411 00:27:42,461 --> 00:27:47,181 they found two lots of blood and that linked to both of the victims. 412 00:27:48,661 --> 00:27:51,061 That completely ties everything together, 413 00:27:51,221 --> 00:27:53,701 because you then have the site of attack 414 00:27:53,861 --> 00:27:56,341 where the two women were killed, 415 00:27:56,501 --> 00:27:59,461 and then you have both of their bloods in the rear of the vehicle, 416 00:27:59,621 --> 00:28:04,261 indicating the vehicle had been used to transport the bodies 417 00:28:04,421 --> 00:28:06,541 to the incident where the car was found, 418 00:28:06,701 --> 00:28:11,381 and then they had been removed from the trunk of the car and laid out. 419 00:28:17,301 --> 00:28:21,461 While he's in jail, Mr Richardson is charged with two murders, 420 00:28:21,621 --> 00:28:25,741 after which he is taken before the court to be arraigned 421 00:28:25,901 --> 00:28:27,781 and his case proceeded. 422 00:28:31,941 --> 00:28:35,621 There's murder and there's premeditated murder. 423 00:28:36,901 --> 00:28:39,221 There's manslaughter in the heat of passion. 424 00:28:39,381 --> 00:28:41,261 So, you know, in your mind, as an attorney, 425 00:28:41,421 --> 00:28:43,901 when you're looking at a murder case, you're thinking, 426 00:28:44,061 --> 00:28:47,341 what can I do to negate some of the elements of it? 427 00:28:50,821 --> 00:28:55,701 This case had its own danger in the sense that as we were 428 00:28:55,861 --> 00:29:00,581 investigating the staged area and the home where allegedly 429 00:29:00,741 --> 00:29:02,741 the murders took place, 430 00:29:02,901 --> 00:29:04,461 we became aware of the fact 431 00:29:04,621 --> 00:29:07,781 that they were investigating a case from the past as well. 432 00:29:07,941 --> 00:29:09,821 So there was a tension in our mind 433 00:29:09,981 --> 00:29:13,061 as to whether moving the case along quickly would help us. 434 00:29:13,221 --> 00:29:15,461 I think we came to a conclusion that 435 00:29:15,621 --> 00:29:18,021 we needed to just do our work on what we can do, 436 00:29:18,181 --> 00:29:20,541 and not worry about things that we could not control. 437 00:29:25,021 --> 00:29:28,461 Murder cases move pretty slowly to allow the defence 438 00:29:28,621 --> 00:29:32,021 an opportunity to conduct a robust investigation 439 00:29:32,181 --> 00:29:35,221 of both of the crime scene, investigate witnesses, 440 00:29:35,381 --> 00:29:37,061 and to do their own defence. 441 00:29:38,661 --> 00:29:42,501 The hiring of forensic experts is a slow process. 442 00:29:43,901 --> 00:29:48,061 Any expert worth hiring is busy, and you also have to wait. 443 00:29:49,181 --> 00:29:53,821 So, for instance, if the case involves DNA like this one did, 444 00:29:53,981 --> 00:29:57,781 you have to wait for the prosecution to be done doing their work. 445 00:29:57,941 --> 00:29:59,381 Then you have to hire a lab. 446 00:30:01,461 --> 00:30:04,741 DNA work is done by computer programs, 447 00:30:04,901 --> 00:30:07,021 so you have to wait for the data to be available. 448 00:30:07,181 --> 00:30:09,261 Takes months and months and months. 449 00:30:09,421 --> 00:30:12,341 So unless there's a reason to move quickly, 450 00:30:12,501 --> 00:30:14,301 perhaps witnesses have disappeared, 451 00:30:14,461 --> 00:30:16,741 or you think that the case is going to get worse over time, 452 00:30:16,901 --> 00:30:19,021 you take your time in the case. 453 00:30:23,421 --> 00:30:27,701 Any time the prosecution has an airtight case, 454 00:30:27,861 --> 00:30:29,061 yes, it's a challenge. 455 00:30:29,221 --> 00:30:31,701 So we're talking about a double homicide, 456 00:30:31,861 --> 00:30:34,421 which leaves you exposed to the death penalty. 457 00:30:35,821 --> 00:30:40,461 Then an additional homicide charge was added to the case. 458 00:30:42,381 --> 00:30:45,181 When detectives in National City heard that Richardson 459 00:30:45,341 --> 00:30:47,861 had been charged with two homicides, 460 00:30:48,021 --> 00:30:50,941 they remembered him in a missing persons case 461 00:30:51,101 --> 00:30:55,141 that he had been a suspect, but he had never been charged. 462 00:30:55,301 --> 00:30:58,621 So they reopened the case and found evidence, 463 00:30:58,781 --> 00:31:02,221 enough evidence to go ahead and charge him with a third murder. 464 00:31:03,421 --> 00:31:07,381 So now we have two different investigations to take care of, 465 00:31:08,301 --> 00:31:11,861 going on simultaneously with death on the table. 466 00:31:26,861 --> 00:31:29,901 Michael Richardson is the man waiting for trial on charges 467 00:31:30,061 --> 00:31:32,141 he murdered his wife and mother-in-law 468 00:31:32,301 --> 00:31:34,501 {\an8}and another woman decades ago. 469 00:31:40,221 --> 00:31:42,341 A staged scene is, in and of itself, 470 00:31:42,501 --> 00:31:44,501 circumstantial evidence of guilt. 471 00:31:46,061 --> 00:31:47,661 So the fact that the person 472 00:31:47,821 --> 00:31:50,861 is accused of having staged this scenario 473 00:31:51,021 --> 00:31:53,701 is a frustrating aspect to the case 474 00:31:53,861 --> 00:31:56,141 from the criminal defence attorney's point of view, 475 00:31:56,301 --> 00:31:59,981 because the staged event is only one of the scenes, 476 00:32:00,141 --> 00:32:02,661 because it was clear that the victims in this case - 477 00:32:02,821 --> 00:32:05,821 the two women - did not die at that location. 478 00:32:10,741 --> 00:32:13,901 He ultimately just decided to plead guilty out of the blue. 479 00:32:14,061 --> 00:32:16,221 Pled guilty to all three of the murders. 480 00:32:19,341 --> 00:32:22,541 Michael pleads guilty to all three murders: 481 00:32:22,701 --> 00:32:25,581 Phan, Thao and his previous ex-girlfriend. 482 00:32:27,421 --> 00:32:30,541 All of the families are able to get some solace 483 00:32:30,701 --> 00:32:33,701 in knowing that the person who did commit this horrible crime 484 00:32:33,861 --> 00:32:37,341 against their loved ones is finally being put to justice 485 00:32:37,501 --> 00:32:38,941 and held behind bars. 486 00:32:39,101 --> 00:32:42,141 And so, you know, at least they are given those answers. 487 00:32:46,021 --> 00:32:49,341 I'm not sure if they went forward with the child molestation charges 488 00:32:49,501 --> 00:32:53,141 because if there's child molestation charges when they go to prison, 489 00:32:53,301 --> 00:32:56,141 one thing the prisoners in prisons have, 490 00:32:56,301 --> 00:32:59,861 there's a little bit of ethics when it comes to child molestation. 491 00:33:01,661 --> 00:33:04,341 And at times they'll take matters into their own hands. 492 00:33:14,381 --> 00:33:15,901 The case consumes you 493 00:33:17,101 --> 00:33:20,661 because the death penalty brings out the worst in everyone. 494 00:33:20,821 --> 00:33:22,621 When you're talking about the death penalty, 495 00:33:22,781 --> 00:33:25,021 you're talking about trying the case in front of 12 people 496 00:33:25,181 --> 00:33:27,701 who in California have to be death-qualified. 497 00:33:30,141 --> 00:33:35,461 Death-qualified means that they're willing to impose the death penalty. 498 00:33:35,621 --> 00:33:40,381 So people that have a moral opposition to the death penalty 499 00:33:40,541 --> 00:33:41,981 are excluded from the panel. 500 00:33:42,141 --> 00:33:45,421 People who would have a hesitation in imposing death 501 00:33:45,581 --> 00:33:48,901 in any particular case are excluded from the panel. 502 00:33:49,061 --> 00:33:54,261 So you're talking about a group of jurors that are already predisposed 503 00:33:54,421 --> 00:33:56,381 to imposing the death penalty. 504 00:33:57,901 --> 00:34:02,221 So you're facing an uphill battle to begin with. 505 00:34:05,661 --> 00:34:11,181 The death penalty is a forum where justice is least likely 506 00:34:12,141 --> 00:34:13,301 to be attained, 507 00:34:14,261 --> 00:34:17,741 and is a fiction to the families of the victim. 508 00:34:18,781 --> 00:34:22,141 Because the truth is that there is never closure. 509 00:34:22,301 --> 00:34:26,181 We can never undo the trauma that you have suffered. 510 00:34:27,381 --> 00:34:31,981 In fact, I think the death penalty litigation just perpetuates it, 511 00:34:32,141 --> 00:34:33,941 because then what happens, of course, 512 00:34:34,101 --> 00:34:37,221 if a person receives the death penalty, is that they are involved 513 00:34:37,381 --> 00:34:42,541 in a lengthy appeal process which keeps the wound open for decades. 514 00:34:44,861 --> 00:34:48,781 It's a horrible, false myth. 515 00:34:54,021 --> 00:34:55,621 The case proceeds to sentencing, 516 00:34:55,781 --> 00:34:59,221 and this is where Mr Richardson's attorney 517 00:34:59,381 --> 00:35:01,421 presents mitigating evidence, 518 00:35:01,581 --> 00:35:04,541 and the prosecutor presents aggravating evidence 519 00:35:04,701 --> 00:35:08,461 for the judge to determine what is the appropriate penalty. 520 00:35:14,061 --> 00:35:17,341 You have a meeting with the district attorney where you try to 521 00:35:17,501 --> 00:35:19,581 convince them to not seek death. 522 00:35:19,741 --> 00:35:24,741 So you are presenting the mitigation that you've discovered over time. 523 00:35:27,541 --> 00:35:30,581 If you don't want to go to trial and risk the death penalty, 524 00:35:30,741 --> 00:35:34,061 you have to bring the district attorney's office an offer that 525 00:35:34,221 --> 00:35:40,021 compels them to take the offer and not go to trial. 526 00:35:43,581 --> 00:35:47,701 In this particular case, in order to avoid trial, 527 00:35:47,861 --> 00:35:53,501 the prosecution wanted six consecutive 528 00:35:53,661 --> 00:35:57,021 life without the possibility of parole sentences, 529 00:35:57,181 --> 00:36:01,701 one each for the victims, 530 00:36:01,861 --> 00:36:06,901 the wife, the mother-in-law, and the girlfriend from 20 years prior, 531 00:36:07,061 --> 00:36:10,261 doubled because of the prior record. 532 00:36:13,261 --> 00:36:14,941 Richardson has just been sentenced 533 00:36:15,101 --> 00:36:18,581 to six consecutive life sentences without parole. 534 00:36:23,741 --> 00:36:28,621 The judge decided that the sentence was life in prison, 535 00:36:28,781 --> 00:36:32,581 and he imposed six consecutive life sentences. 536 00:36:32,741 --> 00:36:38,541 Consecutive means one sentence has to end before the next one begins. 537 00:36:38,701 --> 00:36:42,661 So by putting life sentences consecutively, 538 00:36:42,821 --> 00:36:46,941 that insures against the possibility of, let's say he was only charged 539 00:36:47,101 --> 00:36:50,141 for one but was responsible for six, 540 00:36:50,301 --> 00:36:54,061 if some procedural error were to be found in his case 541 00:36:54,221 --> 00:36:58,061 that overturned a conviction, he's still in jail. 542 00:36:58,221 --> 00:36:59,301 He's still in prison, 543 00:36:59,461 --> 00:37:02,301 he's still serving life for the other convictions. 544 00:37:02,461 --> 00:37:07,141 So it ensures that he stays in prison. 545 00:37:10,301 --> 00:37:12,021 It's a nice feeling that you actually 546 00:37:12,181 --> 00:37:15,021 were able to complete the case, give justice to the victims. 547 00:37:15,181 --> 00:37:17,861 Hopefully, the family will get a little bit of peace 548 00:37:18,021 --> 00:37:19,701 and not have to worry about it. 549 00:37:19,861 --> 00:37:22,141 Also, it doesn't make them go through a trial 550 00:37:22,301 --> 00:37:25,221 because if they have to sit through a trial and see photographs 551 00:37:25,381 --> 00:37:27,941 of their mother, their daughter, or their loved ones, 552 00:37:28,101 --> 00:37:29,701 whatever you want to word it as, 553 00:37:29,861 --> 00:37:32,221 it's hard for some people to sit through that. 554 00:37:32,381 --> 00:37:33,941 They don't have to hear all the details. 555 00:37:34,101 --> 00:37:35,501 It's better for people sometimes. 556 00:37:39,421 --> 00:37:42,101 You know, it's hard to put myself into a criminal's mind 557 00:37:42,261 --> 00:37:44,421 exactly what they're thinking. 558 00:37:44,581 --> 00:37:47,701 Generally speaking, a criminal like Michael Richardson is only 559 00:37:47,861 --> 00:37:50,141 thinking what's best for him. 560 00:37:51,101 --> 00:37:53,861 So in this particular case, by admitting his guilt, 561 00:37:54,021 --> 00:37:55,701 he probably got a much better deal. 562 00:37:58,621 --> 00:38:00,901 Just now molestation charges were dismissed 563 00:38:01,061 --> 00:38:02,261 in the plea bargain. 564 00:38:02,421 --> 00:38:05,381 But in both cases, we can tell you the murders followed accusations 565 00:38:05,541 --> 00:38:07,541 that he molested underage girls. 566 00:38:09,301 --> 00:38:12,381 In this case, having the sex charges dropped, 567 00:38:12,541 --> 00:38:16,461 it spares the family from having to go through a trial. 568 00:38:16,621 --> 00:38:20,301 It spares the victim from having to relive the incident, 569 00:38:20,461 --> 00:38:23,141 having to tell their story over and over. 570 00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:25,461 And the families in this case 571 00:38:25,621 --> 00:38:29,021 were OK with the sex charges being dropped. 572 00:38:30,581 --> 00:38:33,421 When you're a family faced with considerable loss, 573 00:38:33,581 --> 00:38:38,261 and there's a plea deal on the table that allows this person 574 00:38:38,421 --> 00:38:42,541 to escape the death penalty but get life in prison, 575 00:38:44,061 --> 00:38:46,781 it's a personal decision as to how you feel about that, 576 00:38:46,941 --> 00:38:52,541 whether you want to fight for going to court or you just want to take 577 00:38:52,701 --> 00:38:55,941 what's being offered and be done with it. 578 00:38:56,101 --> 00:38:59,341 So I don't know why they were OK with that, 579 00:38:59,501 --> 00:39:02,341 unless they just knew that they didn't have the resources to fight, 580 00:39:02,501 --> 00:39:06,621 or they were fine with the finality of the plea deal. 581 00:39:10,421 --> 00:39:13,221 This case is an example of what we call the top four themes 582 00:39:13,381 --> 00:39:14,901 used to stage a homicide. 583 00:39:16,701 --> 00:39:18,581 One of them is accident. 584 00:39:19,581 --> 00:39:24,421 I go back to: this is his first murder, but it's not ours, 585 00:39:24,581 --> 00:39:26,421 so we recognise it right away. 586 00:39:26,581 --> 00:39:29,501 The things he did. And that's the whole problem. 587 00:39:29,661 --> 00:39:31,741 When a suspect is staging a scene, 588 00:39:31,901 --> 00:39:34,581 they don't really know what it's supposed to look like. 589 00:39:36,821 --> 00:39:41,221 The attempt to cover up one's crime can be situational 590 00:39:41,381 --> 00:39:43,861 and explained in the heat of the moment, 591 00:39:44,021 --> 00:39:47,581 but the longer and more elaborate the process is, 592 00:39:48,541 --> 00:39:50,581 all of those are opportunities to stop. 593 00:39:54,021 --> 00:39:57,821 The fact that Michael transported the dead bodies of Thao and Phan 594 00:39:57,981 --> 00:40:01,261 from their home all the way to the side of the road, 595 00:40:01,421 --> 00:40:03,301 meticulously setting them up in a way 596 00:40:03,461 --> 00:40:05,021 to make it look like a car accident, 597 00:40:05,181 --> 00:40:10,141 all of these efforts that he put in were just especially horrific. 598 00:40:12,901 --> 00:40:17,141 They really just indicate that he's someone who clearly doesn't have 599 00:40:17,301 --> 00:40:22,461 a conscience and was able to do something truly unfathomable. 600 00:40:25,421 --> 00:40:29,221 I don't know, I've never been a victim or never had anyone 601 00:40:29,381 --> 00:40:31,981 in my family be victimised like that. 602 00:40:32,141 --> 00:40:34,621 I personally don't believe there's ever closure, 603 00:40:34,781 --> 00:40:37,621 because Kathy has lived the rest of her life without her mother 604 00:40:37,781 --> 00:40:39,221 and now without a father. 605 00:40:39,381 --> 00:40:42,381 So I personally believe you just learn to live with it. 606 00:40:42,541 --> 00:40:45,741 But I think some people have forgiveness in them. 607 00:40:45,901 --> 00:40:47,341 I'm not one of those, 608 00:40:47,501 --> 00:40:49,941 and I would have a problem with it for the rest of my life. 609 00:40:52,861 --> 00:40:57,021 There is very little random murder. 610 00:40:58,821 --> 00:41:02,261 Most murder takes place between people who know each other. 611 00:41:02,421 --> 00:41:04,381 So then the question becomes, why? 612 00:41:04,541 --> 00:41:09,061 So the reasons for murder are well known and well documented 613 00:41:09,221 --> 00:41:12,301 in every culture, and they don't change between cultures. 614 00:41:14,661 --> 00:41:18,341 This was a tragic event because Mr Richardson 615 00:41:18,501 --> 00:41:22,261 thought it was necessary to kill his family, 616 00:41:23,621 --> 00:41:28,021 and it was all to save his own dignity or to save his own skin. 617 00:41:31,781 --> 00:41:37,501 It's really sad the kind of crime when a family can't deal with 618 00:41:37,661 --> 00:41:41,861 a problem, like a man engaging in sexual contact with his niece. 619 00:41:42,021 --> 00:41:45,421 They can't deal with the problem without the man exploding and 620 00:41:45,581 --> 00:41:49,741 just killing the people who confront him and trying to cover it up. 621 00:41:49,901 --> 00:41:54,021 So it's very tragic for everyone involved. 622 00:41:55,861 --> 00:41:58,581 It might bring a little closure, knowing that the perpetrator 623 00:41:58,741 --> 00:42:02,381 has been caught and that he will suffer a sentence for it. 624 00:42:02,541 --> 00:42:06,741 But the legal system is not going to bring closure in and of itself, 625 00:42:06,901 --> 00:42:09,141 and it's just simply tragic. 626 00:42:11,741 --> 00:42:13,661 There's no emotional closure 627 00:42:13,821 --> 00:42:17,181 when people have been ripped from a family with violence. 628 00:42:18,141 --> 00:42:22,181 I don't know why people keep talking about closure for the victims. 629 00:42:22,341 --> 00:42:26,221 They don't get closure. They never feel whole again. 630 00:42:26,381 --> 00:42:28,381 And we need a better word. 631 00:42:33,501 --> 00:42:37,621 One of the people who is suffering the most from this horrible crime 632 00:42:37,781 --> 00:42:41,461 is Thao's daughter, who now has to grow up without a mum, 633 00:42:41,621 --> 00:42:42,941 without a grandmother, 634 00:42:43,101 --> 00:42:45,381 and without her key family members 635 00:42:45,541 --> 00:42:48,101 that she needed to nurture her and love her. 636 00:42:48,261 --> 00:42:51,701 And that's something that Michael took away from her. 637 00:43:23,981 --> 00:43:28,981 Subtitles by Sky Access Services 52840

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