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She was one who had to
come downstairs
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and find her mother bleeding,
you know, dying on the floor.
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That's a trauma that she'll
never be able to get rid of.
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We don't know where the weapon
is in this case.
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It wasn't at the scene.
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It would need to be a weapon
of some substance.
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Tonight,
a new search and new information
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on a possible hate crime.
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There's an awful lot of pressure
that's coming. You have the media.
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And of course, the media is gonna
be paying particular attention
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to this because it has blood
and violence in it.
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Police are under pressure
to make something happen,
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and they need to arrest somebody.
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They need to announce
that they've got leads.
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They've struck once.
They may do it again.
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And staging the crime
as a hate crime
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would take the focus
off the immediate family members.
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As soon as you determine that
there was no forced entry
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but there's that broken window
to give that impression,
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well, then you have
to start looking at,
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"Wait a minute, something's wrong."
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Significant other is always,
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always, always
the number one suspect. Period.
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We have the husband now pointing
the finger at the daughter.
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Once you know
that you're accused of a murder,
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the first thing you want to do is
further misdirect the police
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to go into another direction.
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Now he's caught in a lie.
So what else is he lying about?
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I think anyone that stages a crime
to create public outcry
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or discord deserves a special place.
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Shaima and Kassim fled Iraq due
to an uprising. They came to the US,
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and they found a very welcoming
Middle Eastern community
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called El Cajon, in California.
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And, you know, they really
wanted to start this new life.
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I have asked many clients,
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"Why do Middle Eastern
people come to El Cajon?"
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The most substantive response
I've gotten is that it's a lot like
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their hometowns in places like Iraq
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and other Middle Eastern locations.
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Right away, Shaima really made
an impression on the community.
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She made tons of friends.
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She was someone that people
always wanted around.
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She was, you know, really a staple
in that community very quickly.
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He and his wife
met in a refugee camp,
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when she was, like, 13 or 14,
very, very young.
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Shaima was particularly close
with her teenage daughter, Fatima.
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They had a really special bond.
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And Fatima often referred
to her mom as her best friend.
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Fatima is a very strong,
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very independent-thinking,
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Americanized child
of Middle Eastern parents
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that grew up in what I would call
a very severe environment.
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Because Shaima was such
a bright light,
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such a warm, approachable person,
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no one ever would have thought that
something this heinous
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would happen to someone like her.
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Fatima was upstairs in the home
getting ready for her day.
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She comes down the stairs
and was absolutely shocked
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to see her mother lying
bleeding on the floor.
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She couldn't believe
what she was seeing.
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To walk down
and see your mother in that state...
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...she probably went into a complete
state of shock.
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She probably couldn't even
comprehend what she was looking at.
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I found her on the floor,
drowned in her own blood.
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So Fatima made an emergency call,
and first responders came
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and found the body of her mother,
who had been beaten.
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And there was a note next to her.
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Saying, "Go back to your country,
terrorist."
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And because that was near
her mother,
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it was right away
viewed as a hate crime.
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Based on the contents
of this note, we are not ruling out
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the possibility
this may be a hate crime.
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I do a lot of work in El Cajon,
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so it caught my attention
right away.
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And then not long after,
I got a call,
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and we spoke for a minute or two.
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I don't remember what
we spoke about,
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but at some point I went,
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"Are you the daughter in that case?"
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And she said, "Yes."
And I think we both started crying.
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I mean, it was a very sad moment.
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Hate crimes are very sensitive
things to investigate.
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They involve community tensions.
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Sometimes communities don't believe
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the police investigate
hate crime properly.
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Witnesses may not want to come
forward because it's complicated.
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So in a certain sense,
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it was quite a credible thing,
because of their Iraqi background,
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that this could be the explanation
for this case.
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And in fact, that is how the police
treated the case initially.
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When they get to the scene
and we see there's
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potential forced entry
and then the note...
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The note itself
is really not consistent
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with what we would
find in a, quote, "hate crime".
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Really, in a hate crime,
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they're not just punishing
this particular person.
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What they want to do in a hate crime
is advertise to everybody else
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that this in fact happened.
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So just leaving a note is not it.
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They would do something else
far bigger than that,
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to use this death as a warning
to everybody else.
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This appears to be targeted,
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that they're looking at this one
particular person,
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not Muslims in general.
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Once the news became public
in the community
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that this could be a hate crime,
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it was terrifying for everyone,
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you know, because it's such a tight
knit Middle Eastern community.
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They all felt that, you know,
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"This is something that
could happen to me, too.
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If it could happen to her,
why not me?
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My family, my neighbour."
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You know, it instilled a horrible
amount of fear into everyone.
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And, what could happen next?
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They don't know who did this.
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They don't know if it's internal
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or somebody just came in
from the outside.
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They won't have any idea what they
should do to protect themselves.
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Any time you commit a crime
on a victim
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that shares a characteristic,
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like being Middle Eastern
or being gay,
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statutorily they can
prosecute you for a hate crime,
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and the penalties are much higher.
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It's considered to be
a more serious crime.
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Because this was a crime that
seems to be a hate crime,
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it was picked up by media all over
the place, not just local media,
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but, you know, major national
outlets were talking about this.
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So the fact that it was
garnering so much attention
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put a really extra sense
of pressure on the case
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and pressure to solve it.
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The suspect broke a glass
door in the rear of the house
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during the commission of the crime,
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which El Cajon police say
could be a hate crime.
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But there is another reason
this story
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is pulling
at the world's heartstrings.
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Mohebi says it was well known
that in coming to America from Iraq,
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Alawadi hoped to build a bond
between Muslims and Christians,
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and she hoped she would have
a safe haven here to do so.
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Shaima's husband, Kassim,
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became very vocal after the news
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that this
was a perceived hate crime,
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appearing on camera,
demanding answers,
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making sure that everyone was aware
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that they were looking for somebody
who was capable of doing this.
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And he, you know,
really took that cause on
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and was not afraid
to let his voice be known.
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And once the news,
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you know, percolated throughout the
community, people were coming out
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and protesting. They were really
wanting answers of what happened
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and,
"How are we going to be protected?
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So it became a big moment
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for the police department
to start searching for answers.
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Alawadi's
17-year-old daughter, Fatima,
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finds her mother in a pool of blood
on the dining room floor.
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She says her mother had been hit
repeatedly in the head
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with a tyre iron.
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The first thing that investigators
need to do is examine the scene
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and see if there
are any fingerprints,
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anything forensic
that can be traced back
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to someone
who's in the system already.
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The investigator would then speak
to the family of the victim to see,
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did they have any enemies?
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Had they been threatened?
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Had they encountered anyone
suspicious
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or seen anything
suspicious recently?
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The crime scene processors
are gonna be looking
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for physical evidence.
Anything that the perpetrator might
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have left behind.
And also anything that indicates
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that this is NOT the kind of crime
it looks like.
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One of the things they discover
is that the glass door
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was broken in a way that
had to have been done from inside.
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It looked like the glass was
shattered out into the yard, not in.
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Kassim's account is that there was
an intruder, there was a break in,
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and that they smashed a window
in his glass door in his house.
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Glass breaks in kind of two ways.
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It breaks into concentric rings
and radial lines.
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And if you examine
the edges of that glass,
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you can tell which direction
the force came from.
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This does not suggest forced entry
or a break in or intruders.
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It suggests something else.
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As soon as you determine
that there was no forced entry
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but there's that broken window
to give that impression, well,
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then you have to start looking at,
"Wait a minute, something's wrong."
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Whoever did this
was already inside the house.
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And that was added
to distract the police.
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Now again, when you break
a window in an occupied residence,
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what you're doing
is you're alerting the resident.
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So someone who's coming in to do
something to the resident
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might not want to make all
that noise.
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So you have to take all
that into consideration.
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The fact that such a violent
and bloody scene happened
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and no one heard anything
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points to the fact that she had
to know her attacker.
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And also,
she was a very strict Muslim,
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so she wore a hijab
anytime she was out in public
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or any time she would see someone.
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She was not wearing that
when she was found.
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That further leads you to believe
that she had been inside her house
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with someone
she was comfortable around.
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Who is she comfortable around?
Who has access to the home?
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Her family.
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The police eventually go through
and took a look in her car.
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And they find actual divorce papers.
Well,
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that immediately goes to the very
top of the list of motive. Divorce.
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Mom took out divorce papers.
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I believe she presented them
to the father.
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And of course,
that created some problems,
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some tension, some passion.
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In law enforcement circles,
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significant other is always,
always,
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always the number one suspect.
Period.
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Every single case where
that relationship exists.
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So things began to emerge.
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Police would then frame that as,
"Well, why are there tensions?
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Does it involve domestic violence?
Does it involve other issues?"
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And they would then
start to investigate that.
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But it provides a motive
for her death
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that is different
from the hate crime motive.
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The other tensions that were
bubbling up
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were the parents' desire
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that Fatima marry her cousin,
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who I believe lived in Iraq.
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Fatima was not happy with that.
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That created tension
with her parents
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and between the parents.
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So there was a lot going on.
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It wouldn't immediately just
dismiss the hate crime motive.
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As in many cases,
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until a dominant theory
of the crime emerges,
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there will be parallel
investigations
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into different explanations.
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But it would frame the crime
in a very different way.
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In the initial stages
of this investigation,
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the note was discovered very close
to where the victim was found.
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The note turns out to have been
photocopied from a note
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that had been left a few weeks
earlier outside the door.
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So who would have photocopied
the note
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rather than just written it
originally?
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And so there are suspicious elements
to this that give them leads to
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"Now we have to investigate
this further."
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When they find that the note
was prepared
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some time BEFORE the crime,
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I think that would then make
Kassim's actions look suspicious.
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When the evidence points
away from a hate crime
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and the focus then
turns toward the family,
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the investigators' focus needs to be
on ruling family members out.
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So they would interview them,
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and they would try to
find corroborating information
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to back up their story.
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When we first interview a witness
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that has experienced a
traumatic event, you know,
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we understand
that we got to be cool and calm.
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The problem is is it's imperative
to get the information
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as quickly as we can
as to what they found.
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El Cajon Police say they
are investigating all aspects
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of this case, including
the possibility of a hate crime.
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But they also say based
on the evidence gathered so far,
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they do believe
this is an isolated incident.
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Hate crimes are so vile
that it would be hard to believe
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someone in her own family
would write an anti-Muslim note.
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And also the fact that
everything pointed
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to this not being a hate crime
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indicates that the crime was
staged to appear like a hate crime.
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And staging the crime
as a hate crime
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would take the focus
off the immediate family members.
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A problem that often arises
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is that this person
who staged the crime,
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their emotions that they project
when they speak to law enforcement
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is often not in line with what one
would expect emotions to be
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when they find
their loved one killed.
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That whole area of psychology
is pretty interesting.
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I mean, there are people that kill
people who cry real tears.
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At a memorial service
for Shaima Tuesday afternoon,
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a plea from Shaima's husband,
translated by her 15-year-old son.
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What are you getting out of this,
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and why did you do it?
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This particular case,
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when the husband is
constantly going to the media
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and reaffirming this hate crime
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and trying to drum up support with
the rest of the Muslim community,
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to me, that's very important.
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Going on camera
and having a press conference
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makes him look MORE like a victim
in this case.
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He's still trying to keep
control over things.
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It's one of the reasons
he held a news conference.
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He wanted to make sure everybody
bought into his version of it.
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He was so little considered
to be the suspect
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and so little considered
to be a flight risk
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that they "let him"
take her body back to Iraq.
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Police are under pressure
to make something happen,
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and they need to arrest somebody.
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They need to announce
that they've got leads,
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that they have a productive plan
in place
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and something's going to happen to
reassure people,
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because otherwise it just looks like
they don't know what they're doing
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and everybody remains unsafe.
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There's an awful lot of pressure
that's coming.
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It's pressure not only
just to solve what's happening,
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but you also
have outside influences.
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You have the media.
And of course,
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the media is going to be paying
particular attention to this
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because it has blood
and violence in it.
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And the remainder of the
Muslim community,
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they're going to be
outraged as well.
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They have to be assured that
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the police aren't just brushing
this away, they are treating it
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with the necessary attention
that it deserves.
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He had been so involved
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and been vocal, talking about it
being a hate crime.
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You know, how could he possibly be
the one who was involved in this?
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We do know that Shaima
Alawadi was planning
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to divorce her husband and move
to Texas with her children.
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Investigators Tuesday
removed bags of evidence
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as they executed a second search
warrant on her Skyview Street home
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in El Cajon, where the Iraqi mother
of five was found
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bludgeoned with a tyre iron
last Wednesday morning.
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The two immediate
suspects are Kassim, the husband,
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who might have known that his wife
was about to divorce him...
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...and Fatima,
who apparently has some beef
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with them wanting to put her
into an arranged marriage.
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And she does not want to do this.
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So we have two people
in the household
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who already have motive
for committing this murder.
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And then you have to look at, OK,
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out of these two people
that we know that were there,
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who's most likely to have committed
the crime?
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And then typically in interfamilial
or domestic-type events,
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it's usually the other spouse that's
going to be suspect number one,
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automatically.
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There are videos of him
at her coffin in Iraq
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where he broke down...
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very emotionally.
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I don't know what the normal
way to react to a death is,
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even if you're the one that
committed the killing.
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So now they have two suspects.
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They have
to investigate both further.
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It's possible the two of them
were in on it together,
338
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and that's something
they also have to think about.
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Fatima had a boyfriend. She did not
want to have this arranged marriage.
340
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And this boyfriend was seen with her
around the time of the incident.
341
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So her resistance to this arranged
marriage gives her a motive
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for why she might want
her mother dead.
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They have a note, so they might be
able to compare handwriting.
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That's one thing.
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If they can find the implement that
was used to either bludgeon Shaima
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or break the door,
so that's potentially a crowbar,
347
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something like that, they can check
it for who might have handled it.
348
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They're going to be looking at any
kind of computer
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or digital record on phones,
tablets, anything like that,
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to see if somebody had planned
this out in some way
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or if there was any collusion
between father and daughter on this.
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All through their interviews,
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even when they had all this
information that kind of points
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to the husband, the husband still
maintains that he wasn't present.
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And there's no other evidence
to firmly establish
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that he was there
at that particular time.
357
00:23:46,821 --> 00:23:49,621
So the police came up with a
photograph that they doctored
358
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to make it appear as
if his car had been photographed
359
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at another location nearby.
360
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This use of false evidence,
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which is totally legal
in the United States,
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can sometimes break down
your offender when they realise,
363
00:24:04,461 --> 00:24:07,421
"Uh-oh, my alibi isn't holding up."
364
00:24:11,181 --> 00:24:15,021
The police, in a creative move,
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00:24:15,181 --> 00:24:18,821
confronted him with the picture...
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that they said was taken
from a nearby camera.
367
00:24:23,661 --> 00:24:28,581
And the father actually did
not park his car there,
368
00:24:28,741 --> 00:24:31,101
but they confronted him with it,
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00:24:31,261 --> 00:24:34,261
and he cracked.
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00:24:40,541 --> 00:24:42,261
He made a mistake.
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He knew that the cops had got him.
Or at least he thought so.
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And he made a very important
admission that,
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yes, he was, in fact, at the house.
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Now he's caught in a lie.
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So what else is he lying about?
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That's an open door to start
really putting pressure on him.
377
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He might fess up to other things
that give them leverage.
378
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I'm outside the former
home of Shaima Alawadi.
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I spoke with her daughter's best
friend today and she says the family
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is not surprised to hear about
today's arrest of Kassim Alhimidi.
381
00:25:19,021 --> 00:25:20,541
Today,
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the Iraqi man accused
of killing his wife faced a judge.
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00:25:24,541 --> 00:25:27,861
Kassim Alhimidi appeared
on video during his arraignment.
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Not guilty
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Arabic interpreter and a public
defender were at his side.
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His five children
watched from the courtroom.
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His daughter, Fatima,
shown here today,
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wept when she saw her father
on the screen.
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00:25:46,421 --> 00:25:50,181
Once Kassim was arrested
and charged for this crime,
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00:25:50,341 --> 00:25:55,221
that news was an absolute shock
to the whole entire community.
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They had all been so involved
in trying to find this person.
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It was unbelievable to everyone.
393
00:26:03,901 --> 00:26:07,821
The Muslim community would be
relieved to some degree
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00:26:07,981 --> 00:26:11,101
that this ISN'T a hate crime.
It's not what it looked like.
395
00:26:11,261 --> 00:26:15,101
That would make them
very angry and doubly angry.
396
00:26:15,261 --> 00:26:19,301
It isn't just about a failed
domestic situation that's tragic.
397
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It's about, "You used us
398
00:26:22,421 --> 00:26:25,661
to try to make this
look like something else.
399
00:26:25,821 --> 00:26:29,341
And we want justice. Not just
for the victim but for all of us."
400
00:26:34,221 --> 00:26:38,461
Because the community had been
so involved in solving this case
401
00:26:38,621 --> 00:26:41,421
and demanding answers
from the police department,
402
00:26:41,581 --> 00:26:45,301
when Kassim was officially
charged with this crime,
403
00:26:45,461 --> 00:26:48,341
you know, the community really did
want a sense of justice here.
404
00:26:48,501 --> 00:26:51,301
They wanted him
to be held responsible.
405
00:26:51,461 --> 00:26:55,021
They wanted him to really apologise.
406
00:26:59,381 --> 00:27:01,101
Much of the affidavit is centred on
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00:27:01,261 --> 00:27:04,301
the behaviour of Shaima's
17-year-old daughter, Fatima,
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00:27:04,461 --> 00:27:07,981
the only other person known to be in
the home at the time of the attack.
409
00:27:08,141 --> 00:27:11,341
She was evidently unhappy
about an arranged marriage.
410
00:27:14,301 --> 00:27:17,381
He points the finger
at his daughter as the perpetrator
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00:27:17,541 --> 00:27:21,861
and tries to vilify her essentially
and blame her for this.
412
00:27:22,021 --> 00:27:25,061
That's now just tearing
the family completely apart.
413
00:27:25,221 --> 00:27:27,501
He hasn't allied with her
in any way.
414
00:27:27,661 --> 00:27:31,301
She's 17. She's forced to be alone
to fight this out herself.
415
00:27:31,461 --> 00:27:35,981
And she too, with a circumstantial
case, it could be made against her.
416
00:27:36,141 --> 00:27:38,741
The daughter,
Fatima, changed her story.
417
00:27:38,901 --> 00:27:43,261
And why the Muslim teen continued
to lie about her Chaldean boyfriend
418
00:27:43,421 --> 00:27:46,141
and her relationship
with her mother.
419
00:27:46,301 --> 00:27:49,741
I think you had
two clear suspects.
420
00:27:49,901 --> 00:27:53,741
We're not sure where
they were at the time of the murder.
421
00:27:53,901 --> 00:27:56,181
And they each
have their own narrative.
422
00:27:58,341 --> 00:28:00,541
Fatima, she knew her mother
wanted to get a divorce,
423
00:28:00,701 --> 00:28:02,901
and she knew that they had
a contentious marriage.
424
00:28:03,061 --> 00:28:06,301
So she has ammunition
against her father.
425
00:28:06,461 --> 00:28:10,221
And they're just clashing. One of
them wants the other to go down.
426
00:28:10,381 --> 00:28:12,261
And this is not how you
think about families.
427
00:28:12,421 --> 00:28:14,701
You have the offender,
the husband,
428
00:28:14,861 --> 00:28:17,621
now pointing the finger
at the daughter.
429
00:28:17,781 --> 00:28:19,661
That is not uncommon,
430
00:28:19,821 --> 00:28:22,501
because once you know that you're
accused of a murder,
431
00:28:22,661 --> 00:28:25,261
the first thing you want to do is
further misdirect the police
432
00:28:25,421 --> 00:28:27,941
to go into another direction.
433
00:28:28,101 --> 00:28:33,341
What a defence attorney needs
is their own version of the events.
434
00:28:34,621 --> 00:28:37,221
And part of the defence
story has to be,
435
00:28:37,381 --> 00:28:41,541
"If my client didn't do this,
who else did?"
436
00:28:41,701 --> 00:28:44,901
And if you can point
to a probable suspect,
437
00:28:45,061 --> 00:28:47,021
the prosecution's almost
in a position
438
00:28:47,181 --> 00:28:49,341
where they need to disprove that.
439
00:28:50,541 --> 00:28:53,141
They need to show that there's
sufficient evidence that
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00:28:53,301 --> 00:28:55,981
this person DIDN'T do it.
441
00:28:56,141 --> 00:28:58,941
And in this case, the daughter would
have been the only one
442
00:28:59,101 --> 00:29:02,581
that could have broken
the glass from the inside
443
00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:06,101
and who could have
also staged the scene.
444
00:29:07,701 --> 00:29:13,581
Now blaming a crime on his daughter
also makes some sense,
445
00:29:13,741 --> 00:29:17,301
because the defence can put forward
a motive for the daughter
446
00:29:17,461 --> 00:29:19,381
to have killed the mother.
447
00:29:19,541 --> 00:29:22,181
So anytime you can point
the finger at someone else,
448
00:29:22,341 --> 00:29:24,141
it's very helpful to the defence.
449
00:29:26,501 --> 00:29:29,421
El Cajon Police Chief Jim
Redman finally put to rest rumours
450
00:29:29,581 --> 00:29:31,741
that had persisted for months,
that the murder
451
00:29:31,901 --> 00:29:34,421
of 32-year-old Shaima Alawadi
was a hate crime.
452
00:29:34,581 --> 00:29:37,381
Instead, he says, her husband,
Kassim Alhimidi,
453
00:29:37,541 --> 00:29:39,501
brutally beat her to death.
454
00:29:41,101 --> 00:29:45,381
When he does plead not guilty
and he's going to go to trial,
455
00:29:45,541 --> 00:29:48,901
the trial sets off
a major flurry of attention
456
00:29:49,061 --> 00:29:51,341
throughout the whole entire country,
457
00:29:51,501 --> 00:29:53,581
media outlets, the community.
458
00:29:53,741 --> 00:29:55,861
Everyone wants to see
the outcome of this trial
459
00:29:56,021 --> 00:29:57,941
because they were already
so heavily invested
460
00:29:58,101 --> 00:30:01,101
in this potential hate crime
that had occurred.
461
00:30:13,341 --> 00:30:15,381
Tonight,
a husband is behind bars,
462
00:30:15,541 --> 00:30:17,381
charged with his wife's murder,
463
00:30:17,541 --> 00:30:20,581
which was staged
to look like a hate crime.
464
00:30:20,741 --> 00:30:23,501
Alawadi's bloody body
was found by her daughter, Fatima,
465
00:30:23,661 --> 00:30:26,541
seen here talking to Ten News
the day after the murder.
466
00:30:26,701 --> 00:30:30,141
And standing beside her, the man now
charged with his wife's murder,
467
00:30:30,301 --> 00:30:33,221
Kassim Alhimidi. As you can see,
he appears to be crying.
468
00:30:33,381 --> 00:30:35,101
And within a couple of weeks,
469
00:30:35,261 --> 00:30:39,101
here he is at his wife's funeral
in Iraq, collapsing to the ground.
470
00:30:46,261 --> 00:30:49,821
Mr Alawadi may have been offered
a plea deal
471
00:30:49,981 --> 00:30:52,181
that was not acceptable to him.
472
00:30:52,341 --> 00:30:55,901
It is his constitutional right
to have a trial by jury.
473
00:30:58,701 --> 00:31:02,301
What he is saying by taking this
case to trial is saying,
474
00:31:02,461 --> 00:31:05,021
"You think I did this?
Prove it
475
00:31:05,181 --> 00:31:08,541
but prove it
beyond a reasonable doubt."
476
00:31:11,181 --> 00:31:14,141
Once the investigators believe
they have enough evidence,
477
00:31:14,301 --> 00:31:17,301
the case goes to the prosecutor
for charging decisions,
478
00:31:17,461 --> 00:31:19,821
and that can happen one of two ways.
479
00:31:19,981 --> 00:31:23,341
One, by the prosecutor filing
a legal document
480
00:31:23,501 --> 00:31:26,701
that accuses him of the crime.
481
00:31:26,861 --> 00:31:32,061
And the other way of doing it is by
taking the case before a grand jury.
482
00:31:32,221 --> 00:31:35,261
And interestingly,
only the prosecutor
483
00:31:35,421 --> 00:31:37,701
presents evidence
before the grand jury.
484
00:31:38,941 --> 00:31:42,461
We do not have a defence attorney
in there to question any of it.
485
00:31:42,621 --> 00:31:45,861
And the grand jury has to determine,
486
00:31:46,021 --> 00:31:49,221
is there enough evidence
here that we could send it to a jury
487
00:31:49,381 --> 00:31:52,901
and a jury could reasonably
believe that it was him?
488
00:31:56,661 --> 00:32:00,381
Reasonable doubt means we don't
have clear, direct physical evidence
489
00:32:00,541 --> 00:32:04,221
that puts the murder weapon
in this person's hand.
490
00:32:04,381 --> 00:32:08,581
So what you have is circumstances,
and the jury is going to decide
491
00:32:08,741 --> 00:32:10,461
whether
they have enough circumstances,
492
00:32:10,621 --> 00:32:12,781
that this is way too
much for coincidence,
493
00:32:12,941 --> 00:32:16,661
somebody that this case is
built against is definitely guilty.
494
00:32:18,981 --> 00:32:24,501
So the defence is trying to poke
a hole in that set of circumstances
495
00:32:24,661 --> 00:32:27,541
and show you still haven't
really proven anything.
496
00:32:31,541 --> 00:32:33,301
Going to trial, he still believes
497
00:32:33,461 --> 00:32:36,141
that he can get one over
on the jury.
498
00:32:36,301 --> 00:32:40,781
Kassim Alhimidi used a
rolled up towel to silence his sobs
499
00:32:40,941 --> 00:32:44,021
as his defence attorney
made a final plea to jurors,
500
00:32:44,181 --> 00:32:46,941
saying Alhimidi loved his wife
and wouldn't kill her,
501
00:32:47,101 --> 00:32:49,821
so much so that
when he learned Shaima Alawadi,
502
00:32:49,981 --> 00:32:53,021
the mother of his five children,
was brain dead, he broke down.
503
00:32:53,181 --> 00:32:55,541
He said, "Take my brain.
504
00:32:55,701 --> 00:32:57,981
Take my brain
and implant it in her.
505
00:33:00,461 --> 00:33:02,501
I'll pay you any amount of money.
506
00:33:02,661 --> 00:33:04,661
Save her life."
507
00:33:06,661 --> 00:33:09,821
The jury would be confronted
with a motive
508
00:33:09,981 --> 00:33:13,461
which explains all of this evidence.
509
00:33:13,621 --> 00:33:16,381
The motive needs to be credible,
needs to be plausible,
510
00:33:16,541 --> 00:33:18,341
and it needs to be convincing
511
00:33:18,501 --> 00:33:21,541
so that they believe
that is the explanation
512
00:33:21,701 --> 00:33:24,981
for all these indirect pieces
of evidence
513
00:33:25,141 --> 00:33:28,581
that link to Kassim being the killer
514
00:33:28,741 --> 00:33:32,141
and overcoming any gaps
in the evidence,
515
00:33:32,301 --> 00:33:35,101
for example,
the absence of the weapon.
516
00:33:38,061 --> 00:33:40,301
We don't know where the weapon
is in this case.
517
00:33:40,461 --> 00:33:42,621
It wasn't at the scene.
It was never recovered.
518
00:33:42,781 --> 00:33:46,301
But you can infer what
that weapon might be.
519
00:33:48,981 --> 00:33:52,261
The pathologist described the
injuries as blunt trauma injuries.
520
00:33:52,421 --> 00:33:55,301
So he or she was distinguishing
those injuries
521
00:33:55,461 --> 00:34:00,101
from lacerations from a knife or
a sharp object, from a gunshot.
522
00:34:02,181 --> 00:34:06,341
It is also likely that the
pathologist would have indicated
523
00:34:06,501 --> 00:34:08,421
how heavy the weapon was.
524
00:34:08,581 --> 00:34:11,141
It would need to be a weapon
of some substance. Now,
525
00:34:11,301 --> 00:34:12,981
why would the pathologist know that?
526
00:34:13,141 --> 00:34:16,941
By examining the wound,
the shape of the wound,
527
00:34:17,101 --> 00:34:21,461
the length of the wound, the damage
to the skin or bone,
528
00:34:21,621 --> 00:34:24,501
whether these were cuts or bruises,
529
00:34:24,661 --> 00:34:27,781
how deep the bruising went
and so on and so forth. So,
530
00:34:27,941 --> 00:34:31,381
it's something experienced forensic
pathologists do all the time,
531
00:34:31,541 --> 00:34:34,621
particularly when no weapon
is recovered.
532
00:34:37,421 --> 00:34:40,661
Even the prosecutor in this case
says this is not a slam dunk.
533
00:34:40,821 --> 00:34:44,661
No, it's not. And that's
because mostly it's circumstantial.
534
00:34:44,821 --> 00:34:46,821
The murder weapon was never found.
535
00:34:46,981 --> 00:34:50,741
There was no blood evidence ever
linking Kassim Alhimidi
536
00:34:50,901 --> 00:34:52,581
to the murder of his wife
537
00:34:52,741 --> 00:34:57,621
or linking him to that bizarre hate
letter that was left near her body.
538
00:34:59,061 --> 00:35:02,461
I believe that Kassim thought he had
everything under control.
539
00:35:02,621 --> 00:35:04,981
And as soon as he was a suspect,
he found out he didn't.
540
00:35:05,141 --> 00:35:07,261
And even during the trial,
541
00:35:07,421 --> 00:35:10,541
he would have been still very
heavily invested in the fact that
542
00:35:10,701 --> 00:35:12,021
"people should believe me".
543
00:35:14,741 --> 00:35:18,341
He believes a lot in the power
of his own convictions
544
00:35:18,501 --> 00:35:21,061
and he's a very strong presence.
545
00:35:21,221 --> 00:35:24,781
And he continues to want people
to hear his voice,
546
00:35:24,941 --> 00:35:26,861
even though it's kind of over.
547
00:35:27,021 --> 00:35:29,741
Now Kassim Alhimidi
was wailing so loudly,
548
00:35:29,901 --> 00:35:32,141
the judge had to call for a break,
and at one point,
549
00:35:32,301 --> 00:35:35,141
he just put his head down,
dropped his arms and sobbed.
550
00:35:35,301 --> 00:35:38,461
Testimony showed Shaima
referred to her husband
551
00:35:38,621 --> 00:35:42,901
as the actor
for his manufactured emotions.
552
00:35:44,541 --> 00:35:49,061
The family and the community
really wanted to see Kassim pay
553
00:35:49,221 --> 00:35:50,901
for what he did because, you know,
554
00:35:51,061 --> 00:35:53,501
not only had he gotten
the entire community involved
555
00:35:53,661 --> 00:35:56,261
in trying to solve this hate crime,
he had done this violent,
556
00:35:56,421 --> 00:36:00,141
horrible crime to their beloved
member of their community
557
00:36:00,301 --> 00:36:02,701
and tried to lie about it
on top of it.
558
00:36:04,541 --> 00:36:06,861
It was like one blow
after the other,
559
00:36:07,021 --> 00:36:11,341
and people just really
wanted to see him pay for that.
560
00:36:12,821 --> 00:36:16,101
After the prosecution and defence
have done all of their arguments
561
00:36:16,261 --> 00:36:18,421
and admitted all of the evidence,
562
00:36:18,581 --> 00:36:20,301
the case goes to the jury,
563
00:36:20,461 --> 00:36:24,221
and the jury needs to
determine beyond reasonable doubt,
564
00:36:24,381 --> 00:36:26,941
did this person commit this crime?
565
00:36:29,821 --> 00:36:33,861
Deliberations sometimes
take a long time.
566
00:36:34,021 --> 00:36:37,421
And if at the end of the first
day of deliberations
567
00:36:37,581 --> 00:36:40,981
the jury hasn't reached a verdict,
they can continue the next day.
568
00:36:43,181 --> 00:36:46,381
And if you have one person
on that jury
569
00:36:46,541 --> 00:36:49,341
who is not completely convinced
570
00:36:49,501 --> 00:36:53,141
and they cannot be convinced
by the other jurors,
571
00:36:53,301 --> 00:36:56,661
it ends up in a hung jury,
which means a mistrial.
572
00:36:56,821 --> 00:36:59,301
So everyone
has to be on the same page.
573
00:37:02,381 --> 00:37:06,741
If convicted, Alhimidi could
get 26 years to life in prison.
574
00:37:06,901 --> 00:37:11,021
The jury will return here tomorrow
morning to begin its deliberations.
575
00:37:15,661 --> 00:37:17,381
It's not a quick verdict,
576
00:37:17,541 --> 00:37:20,501
but it certainly didn't take that
long for them to come back with it.
577
00:37:24,261 --> 00:37:28,181
California, plaintiff,
versus Kassim Alhimidi, defendant.
578
00:37:28,341 --> 00:37:30,541
Guilty of the crime of murder.
579
00:37:35,021 --> 00:37:38,021
Once the verdict comes in and it
doesn't go his way,
580
00:37:38,181 --> 00:37:41,341
he's going to explode...
581
00:37:42,541 --> 00:37:44,461
...and insist that they're wrong.
582
00:37:44,621 --> 00:37:47,581
He's innocent,
and he just wants to die.
583
00:37:47,741 --> 00:37:50,901
Wants it all over with.
He can't even believe this happened.
584
00:37:51,061 --> 00:37:53,061
The guilty verdict
against Kassim Alhimidi
585
00:37:53,221 --> 00:37:55,461
brought pandemonium
to the courtroom.
586
00:37:55,621 --> 00:37:58,901
His oldest son, Mohammad,
began screaming in the gallery.
587
00:37:59,061 --> 00:38:01,381
That's ...
588
00:38:01,541 --> 00:38:03,941
Others joined in then,
including the defendant.
589
00:38:05,981 --> 00:38:07,661
Then a struggle as deputies hold
590
00:38:07,821 --> 00:38:09,941
the younger Alhimidi
out of the courtroom.
591
00:38:18,301 --> 00:38:21,101
He was handcuffed
in the hallway and arrested.
592
00:38:21,261 --> 00:38:23,101
Tempers still high,
though, as his younger brother,
593
00:38:23,261 --> 00:38:24,901
on crutches,
had to be restrained too.
594
00:38:30,741 --> 00:38:34,061
I'm surprised at the sentence:
26 to life?
595
00:38:35,981 --> 00:38:39,381
If I were Fatima I would think this
was an inappropriate sentence.
596
00:38:39,541 --> 00:38:42,341
He should be put away for life,
for good.
597
00:38:42,501 --> 00:38:44,061
He should never have
the chance to get out.
598
00:38:44,221 --> 00:38:46,901
If he does get out,
HER life is in danger.
599
00:38:49,581 --> 00:38:50,741
So I think she would be afraid.
600
00:38:50,901 --> 00:38:53,981
But I think the community would
believe that justice
601
00:38:54,141 --> 00:38:57,821
HADN'T been served because
he still has a shot at getting out.
602
00:38:57,981 --> 00:38:59,501
And he shouldn't have that.
603
00:39:08,061 --> 00:39:10,821
People that stage these things,
604
00:39:10,981 --> 00:39:13,501
it's terribly manipulative,
and honestly,
605
00:39:13,661 --> 00:39:18,821
using the tension in that community
606
00:39:18,981 --> 00:39:22,301
to shield yourself
607
00:39:22,461 --> 00:39:25,181
from a murder that you committed,
608
00:39:25,341 --> 00:39:27,821
I mean, it's very creative,
609
00:39:27,981 --> 00:39:30,541
but it's a special kind of evil.
610
00:39:35,061 --> 00:39:36,821
Trust me,
even as a defence attorney,
611
00:39:36,981 --> 00:39:39,301
I don't like bad people.
612
00:39:43,501 --> 00:39:47,301
In a community like the one
in El Cajon where, you know,
613
00:39:47,461 --> 00:39:50,021
the majority of the community
is Middle Eastern,
614
00:39:50,181 --> 00:39:53,221
something like a hate crime is
a very intense, serious thing.
615
00:39:53,381 --> 00:39:55,101
It's not something
to be taken lightly.
616
00:39:55,261 --> 00:40:00,581
And it sets a level of fear
that is unlike a regular crime.
617
00:40:02,381 --> 00:40:05,781
And this community
was rattled by this.
618
00:40:07,781 --> 00:40:09,701
It instilled so much fear in them
619
00:40:09,861 --> 00:40:13,101
that even after Kassim
was sentenced,
620
00:40:13,261 --> 00:40:15,381
they still carried that fear
with them,
621
00:40:15,541 --> 00:40:19,141
and it reverberated for years after.
622
00:40:21,821 --> 00:40:24,101
And now Fatima and her two brothers
623
00:40:24,261 --> 00:40:26,861
have to grow up without either
parent. You know,
624
00:40:27,021 --> 00:40:31,101
one of them killed and the other one
serving essentially life in prison,
625
00:40:31,261 --> 00:40:33,421
over a senseless crime...
626
00:40:33,581 --> 00:40:35,541
that should have never happened.
627
00:40:37,581 --> 00:40:40,941
And Fatima, the one who had to come
downstairs
628
00:40:41,101 --> 00:40:43,581
and find her mother bleeding,
629
00:40:43,741 --> 00:40:45,461
you know, dying on the floor,
630
00:40:45,621 --> 00:40:48,701
that's something that she
will have to cope with
631
00:40:48,861 --> 00:40:50,581
and carry for the rest of her life.
That's a trauma
632
00:40:50,741 --> 00:40:53,381
that she'll never be able
to get rid of,
633
00:40:53,541 --> 00:40:55,221
and that's a horrible thing.
634
00:40:57,701 --> 00:41:01,541
I think it's clear this wasn't
just a reactive crime.
635
00:41:01,701 --> 00:41:03,541
He had planned it.
636
00:41:03,701 --> 00:41:06,501
The note showed up
a few weeks before.
637
00:41:06,661 --> 00:41:10,221
He had staged it in a way
that riled up the community.
638
00:41:12,181 --> 00:41:15,701
He did a bad job,
but he still had premeditation.
639
00:41:15,861 --> 00:41:18,941
And it wasn't a heat-of-the-moment
kind of murder.
640
00:41:20,781 --> 00:41:23,141
And that's why I'm surprised
at the sentence.
641
00:41:27,061 --> 00:41:31,101
The unbelievably deep harm
642
00:41:31,261 --> 00:41:34,061
that it has caused
to so many people.
643
00:41:38,021 --> 00:41:40,901
I think anyone that stages a crime
644
00:41:41,061 --> 00:41:44,661
to create public outcry
645
00:41:44,821 --> 00:41:48,421
or foment discord
646
00:41:48,581 --> 00:41:51,421
deserves a special place,
647
00:41:51,581 --> 00:41:56,141
because it certainly harms...
648
00:41:56,301 --> 00:41:59,461
I would even use the word
"traumatises",
649
00:41:59,621 --> 00:42:02,661
a huge number of people.
650
00:42:07,741 --> 00:42:09,861
You can barely imagine
what it must be like
651
00:42:10,021 --> 00:42:14,981
for those children to see their
father, who they love and trusted,
652
00:42:15,141 --> 00:42:18,341
who they believed was fighting to
find their mother's killer,
653
00:42:18,501 --> 00:42:20,941
was actually the one
who was behind it all along.
654
00:42:55,581 --> 00:42:57,981
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