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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,861 --> 00:00:09,661 A 911 call comes in from a man named Victor Cabrera. 2 00:00:10,701 --> 00:00:13,621 He had had to dial the 911 call with his tongue 3 00:00:13,781 --> 00:00:17,061 because his hands are bound, and there's a rope around his neck. 4 00:00:18,261 --> 00:00:21,701 Cabrera then told police his wife was kidnapped. 5 00:00:23,381 --> 00:00:24,821 When something like this happened, 6 00:00:24,981 --> 00:00:27,581 with someone being tied up, someone being kidnapped, 7 00:00:27,741 --> 00:00:30,181 it was a pretty big shock to the whole community. 8 00:00:32,901 --> 00:00:34,821 Crimes like this don't just happen. 9 00:00:34,981 --> 00:00:38,741 They're not finding any evidence of someone who has seen an abduction. 10 00:00:38,901 --> 00:00:41,581 There's no follow-up ransom. 11 00:00:41,741 --> 00:00:43,821 He told police it took two 12 00:00:43,981 --> 00:00:45,981 to plan and carry out the murder. 13 00:00:46,141 --> 00:00:49,501 She was found the next day, strangled to death in her truck. 14 00:00:49,661 --> 00:00:52,221 We're not dealing with an abduction anymore. 15 00:00:52,381 --> 00:00:53,421 We're dealing with a murder. 16 00:00:55,541 --> 00:00:57,301 Where did you find the car? 17 00:00:57,461 --> 00:00:59,981 What happened to her? How could this have happened? 18 00:01:01,101 --> 00:01:03,381 The minute Victor got home, 19 00:01:03,541 --> 00:01:05,861 he packed his belongings, and he disappeared. 20 00:01:08,101 --> 00:01:11,901 It's bad enough looking for a fugitive in one single country. 21 00:01:13,141 --> 00:01:15,861 But he could literally be anywhere in the world. 22 00:01:17,901 --> 00:01:20,381 We have a dead body in a car, 23 00:01:20,541 --> 00:01:24,141 and we have the inconsistencies in his statement. 24 00:01:25,301 --> 00:01:28,101 Does that fit with what we found at the crime scene? 25 00:01:28,261 --> 00:01:30,821 Does that fit with his injuries? 26 00:01:30,981 --> 00:01:33,981 Does it fit with the pathological evidence? 27 00:01:35,061 --> 00:01:38,461 The best way to think of a crime is almost like a puzzle, right? 28 00:01:38,621 --> 00:01:40,541 You start off with a couple pieces that don't give you 29 00:01:40,701 --> 00:01:43,261 the full picture, but the more information you start getting, 30 00:01:43,421 --> 00:01:45,421 the picture becomes clearer, and then you start seeing, 31 00:01:45,581 --> 00:01:47,621 "OK, this is what happened." 32 00:01:50,101 --> 00:01:52,221 The first thing in a staged scene that we're looking for is, 33 00:01:52,381 --> 00:01:54,061 what would be the motive to stage the scene? 34 00:01:55,181 --> 00:01:58,181 We're looking for consistencies and inconsistencies. 35 00:01:58,341 --> 00:02:00,181 That brings more suspicion on. 36 00:02:00,341 --> 00:02:02,581 It is not what happened. There's something else that's there. 37 00:02:17,021 --> 00:02:20,341 Marina, which is very close to Monterey, is very beautiful. 38 00:02:20,501 --> 00:02:22,181 It's really close to the beach. 39 00:02:22,341 --> 00:02:24,941 There's a lot of beautiful homes, lots of nice shops 40 00:02:25,101 --> 00:02:28,981 and places to go. People seem to live very calm, quiet lives. 41 00:02:29,141 --> 00:02:31,141 Not a lot of crime goes on there. 42 00:02:33,981 --> 00:02:36,421 Monterey County in general is a safe county. 43 00:02:36,581 --> 00:02:38,701 It doesn't mean that crime does not occur. 44 00:02:38,861 --> 00:02:40,461 I think any place can have crime. 45 00:02:40,621 --> 00:02:43,061 But I think law enforcement does a tremendous job 46 00:02:43,221 --> 00:02:44,661 in trying to keep it safe. 47 00:02:48,661 --> 00:02:50,941 Roshni Singh was a single mother. 48 00:02:51,101 --> 00:02:54,741 She had a seven-year-old son. And she lived in Marina. 49 00:02:54,901 --> 00:02:58,301 And she seemed to have created a nice life for herself. 50 00:02:59,421 --> 00:03:01,581 She had some funds that she had saved. 51 00:03:01,741 --> 00:03:04,621 She was someone who was, you know, beloved in the area. 52 00:03:04,781 --> 00:03:08,501 She had a warm, bright presence and personality 53 00:03:08,661 --> 00:03:11,221 and was very well-liked by everybody. 54 00:03:15,901 --> 00:03:20,421 Victor worked at an auto body shop nearby called Village Motor Works. 55 00:03:20,581 --> 00:03:23,741 And it was a place that he had worked for a while. 56 00:03:23,901 --> 00:03:25,941 And he was hoping one day to become the owner. 57 00:03:28,301 --> 00:03:29,861 From the outside, 58 00:03:30,021 --> 00:03:32,981 Roshni and Victor seemed like they had a really strong bond, 59 00:03:33,141 --> 00:03:34,261 that they were a strong couple. 60 00:03:34,421 --> 00:03:36,301 They had been together for quite some time. 61 00:03:36,461 --> 00:03:39,181 They seemed to have good chemistry, were happy together. 62 00:03:39,341 --> 00:03:40,741 You know, they had just gone on a trip 63 00:03:40,901 --> 00:03:43,661 to visit Roshni's sister in Fiji. 64 00:03:43,821 --> 00:03:46,061 So things seem to be going well between the two of them. 65 00:03:48,381 --> 00:03:52,541 Roshni's sister did have SOME red flags when it came to Victor. 66 00:03:52,701 --> 00:03:55,301 She thought that he was a bit of a smooth talker, 67 00:03:55,461 --> 00:03:57,341 that maybe he was a bit of a Don Juan. 68 00:03:57,501 --> 00:03:59,181 But other than that, 69 00:03:59,341 --> 00:04:02,661 she didn't see anything about him that would give her pause 70 00:04:02,821 --> 00:04:05,461 or that would ever indicate that he could do something violent. 71 00:04:14,341 --> 00:04:18,781 I was a patrol officer in 2008, in September. 72 00:04:18,941 --> 00:04:22,381 That's when Victor called 911 from a gas station. 73 00:04:25,861 --> 00:04:30,021 Victor Cabrera claimed two men had come into where he was. 74 00:04:30,181 --> 00:04:33,221 He wasn't really sure what these men intended, 75 00:04:33,381 --> 00:04:35,261 if they were going to really harm him. 76 00:04:36,461 --> 00:04:38,901 He was tied up. He thought that was a robbery, 77 00:04:39,061 --> 00:04:42,541 and he assumed that they had abducted his girlfriend, 78 00:04:42,701 --> 00:04:44,381 who had been waiting outside in the car. 79 00:04:46,141 --> 00:04:51,021 And Victor claimed that he had had to dial the 911 call with his tongue 80 00:04:51,181 --> 00:04:53,261 because he was so tightly bound. 81 00:04:56,741 --> 00:04:59,861 The first thing we would look for is evidence of a robbery, 82 00:05:00,021 --> 00:05:02,981 because that's the complaint. So is there any forced entry? 83 00:05:03,141 --> 00:05:05,741 Is there any money missing or anything like that? 84 00:05:05,901 --> 00:05:07,581 That would be our first thing 85 00:05:07,741 --> 00:05:09,981 that everybody wants to concentrate on because that's normal. 86 00:05:13,061 --> 00:05:15,461 The timing of the robbery was very odd. 87 00:05:15,621 --> 00:05:20,461 The ropes weren't knotted around his hands, 88 00:05:20,621 --> 00:05:22,461 and they didn't bind his feet. 89 00:05:26,021 --> 00:05:29,061 When the police come, they find that there's a rope around his neck, 90 00:05:29,221 --> 00:05:30,901 and it is pretty tight, 91 00:05:31,061 --> 00:05:34,341 but his feet were free, and he could have just walked out. 92 00:05:36,781 --> 00:05:39,261 Police will initially have a hard time figuring out 93 00:05:39,421 --> 00:05:43,101 what is really going on here. And where is this young woman? 94 00:05:44,581 --> 00:05:49,021 And has something terrible happened to her, and if so, why? 95 00:05:49,181 --> 00:05:51,901 Why is this so elaborate? 96 00:05:53,741 --> 00:05:57,261 It seems as if someone else has to be involved 97 00:05:57,421 --> 00:05:59,901 for him to be bound in this particular manner. 98 00:06:03,901 --> 00:06:06,301 My question is, is why was there an abduction? 99 00:06:06,461 --> 00:06:09,181 If there's a robbery, there's no need for an abduction 100 00:06:09,341 --> 00:06:11,061 unless you're going to, you know, 101 00:06:11,221 --> 00:06:13,421 hold for ransom or something like that. 102 00:06:16,261 --> 00:06:19,501 It's not completely one thing or the other. 103 00:06:20,821 --> 00:06:22,901 You take these things as they are. 104 00:06:23,061 --> 00:06:27,101 You keep an open mind, and the evidence starts to kind of build up 105 00:06:27,261 --> 00:06:30,221 and point you in a particular direction. 106 00:06:30,381 --> 00:06:34,021 When you start to move in that particular direction, 107 00:06:34,181 --> 00:06:37,341 the crucial thing is is that you still keep an open mind, 108 00:06:37,501 --> 00:06:41,181 and you look for evidence that supports that theory 109 00:06:41,341 --> 00:06:44,541 but also evidence that might contradict that theory. 110 00:06:47,261 --> 00:06:51,421 The way that he was found doesn't make sense. 111 00:06:51,581 --> 00:06:56,341 And his physical condition after having been tied up. 112 00:06:56,501 --> 00:06:59,701 He didn't have any bruises, cuts. 113 00:07:03,381 --> 00:07:06,541 And I find it difficult to imagine robbers 114 00:07:06,701 --> 00:07:10,741 who wanted to incapacitate someone wouldn't have tied their feet. 115 00:07:10,901 --> 00:07:13,621 Now, none of these things are definitive. 116 00:07:13,781 --> 00:07:18,381 They are simply things that cause or raise a question in your mind, 117 00:07:18,541 --> 00:07:20,341 that make you think, "OK, 118 00:07:20,501 --> 00:07:24,781 I'm going to keep my mind open about this and see where it takes me." 119 00:07:27,021 --> 00:07:30,061 The police would be looking for his demeanour 120 00:07:30,221 --> 00:07:32,021 and whether he's worried about this girlfriend. 121 00:07:33,621 --> 00:07:35,581 If she's dead and he knows it, 122 00:07:35,741 --> 00:07:37,501 he's not going to be frantic. 123 00:07:37,661 --> 00:07:40,341 He's not going to be demanding that they find her. 124 00:07:40,501 --> 00:07:43,661 He's not going to be trying to help with any kind of search. 125 00:07:51,901 --> 00:07:54,501 They would need to find the girlfriend, 126 00:07:54,661 --> 00:07:58,901 find her because she is in extreme danger, 127 00:07:59,061 --> 00:08:00,941 and we don't know where she is. 128 00:08:03,261 --> 00:08:05,301 That person's life is on the line. 129 00:08:13,501 --> 00:08:16,621 It really started off with Victor Cabrera calling the police, 130 00:08:16,781 --> 00:08:20,181 saying that, "Hey, I'm at this gas station, 131 00:08:20,341 --> 00:08:23,061 I work here. I was just robbed. 132 00:08:23,221 --> 00:08:26,021 I was tied up, and my girlfriend, 133 00:08:26,181 --> 00:08:28,221 Roshni Singh, has been kidnapped." 134 00:08:28,381 --> 00:08:31,621 That was the initial information that he relayed to police. 135 00:08:33,741 --> 00:08:38,461 And so police took Victor to the Monterey Police Department. 136 00:08:39,581 --> 00:08:41,701 They had an interview with him at the time. 137 00:08:44,901 --> 00:08:47,701 The police question him for several hours, 138 00:08:47,861 --> 00:08:49,941 and his story is a long, 139 00:08:50,101 --> 00:08:54,101 winding story of how he and his girlfriend have been driving around. 140 00:08:54,261 --> 00:08:56,701 She reminded him that they were going to go 141 00:08:56,861 --> 00:08:59,021 to Berkeley the next day. And then he realised 142 00:08:59,181 --> 00:09:01,861 he had left his wallet at work, so he had to go get that. 143 00:09:02,021 --> 00:09:04,821 And she got into the backseat of the car, 144 00:09:04,981 --> 00:09:06,701 because there were things in the garage 145 00:09:06,861 --> 00:09:09,701 that made it difficult for her to get into the passenger side. 146 00:09:09,861 --> 00:09:14,381 All of these excess details were kind of needless 147 00:09:14,541 --> 00:09:18,061 and windy. His story was all over the place. 148 00:09:20,621 --> 00:09:22,941 Though what the police would want to do would be, 149 00:09:23,101 --> 00:09:24,821 particularly if they were suspicious, 150 00:09:24,981 --> 00:09:27,381 would be to corroborate that account. 151 00:09:27,541 --> 00:09:30,741 The obvious means of corroborating that account 152 00:09:30,901 --> 00:09:33,141 would be to have him medically examined. 153 00:09:34,941 --> 00:09:37,821 If someone is punched several times, 154 00:09:37,981 --> 00:09:40,501 there will usually be some injuries. 155 00:09:41,781 --> 00:09:45,021 The cops would have seen he didn't have those injuries. 156 00:09:46,981 --> 00:09:49,741 Most importantly, his feet were untied. 157 00:09:49,901 --> 00:09:54,021 So what robber's going to tie you up 158 00:09:54,181 --> 00:09:56,341 and forget your feet? 159 00:09:58,541 --> 00:10:00,341 If you're going to rob somewhere, 160 00:10:00,501 --> 00:10:03,861 you want to be confident that what you're after is there. 161 00:10:04,021 --> 00:10:06,341 So if they were after cash, 162 00:10:06,501 --> 00:10:10,221 most businesses will bank cash in the evening. 163 00:10:10,381 --> 00:10:12,821 So it may be there is no cash there. 164 00:10:16,501 --> 00:10:20,661 Another fact that the police might have been suspicious about was that, 165 00:10:20,821 --> 00:10:23,581 according to Cabrera, 166 00:10:23,741 --> 00:10:26,141 he never heard the car leaving. 167 00:10:27,261 --> 00:10:29,621 Now again, it's not definitive. 168 00:10:29,781 --> 00:10:34,021 It may well be he was so fearful that he never noticed it, 169 00:10:34,181 --> 00:10:35,741 but he didn't hear the car leaving. 170 00:10:35,901 --> 00:10:38,941 He never heard his wife scream or make any sounds. 171 00:10:39,101 --> 00:10:42,621 These again would start to kind of build up the suspicions 172 00:10:42,781 --> 00:10:46,181 of the officers that this was not actually a crime 173 00:10:46,341 --> 00:10:48,141 and had been staged. 174 00:10:52,821 --> 00:10:54,941 They're not finding any evidence of someone 175 00:10:55,101 --> 00:10:56,941 who has seen an abduction. 176 00:10:57,101 --> 00:10:59,781 There's no follow-up ransom. 177 00:10:59,941 --> 00:11:02,541 Crimes like this don't just happen. 178 00:11:02,701 --> 00:11:04,501 So if you're not finding any evidence 179 00:11:04,661 --> 00:11:07,661 that's consistent with the report, you have to step back and think, 180 00:11:07,821 --> 00:11:09,221 "OK, something else is going on." 181 00:11:11,781 --> 00:11:15,501 When police are questioning somebody to get information, 182 00:11:15,661 --> 00:11:18,501 they will be looking at his behaviour. 183 00:11:18,661 --> 00:11:21,061 When is it inconsistent? For example, 184 00:11:21,221 --> 00:11:23,701 if he tends to talk with his hands, 185 00:11:23,861 --> 00:11:26,741 but all of a sudden they're down and stable, 186 00:11:26,901 --> 00:11:29,701 or he gives certain types of gestures, 187 00:11:29,861 --> 00:11:32,181 or he goes vague at certain points 188 00:11:32,341 --> 00:11:34,621 when he's been highly detailed before. 189 00:11:34,781 --> 00:11:37,701 So they're looking for inconsistencies in his manner 190 00:11:37,861 --> 00:11:40,701 and his narrative and holes in the story. 191 00:11:43,461 --> 00:11:46,581 One of the things that he told police at the time 192 00:11:46,741 --> 00:11:49,501 was that he called 911 using his tongue, 193 00:11:49,661 --> 00:11:51,621 and it took him about 45 minutes to do that. 194 00:11:51,781 --> 00:11:54,981 So that was already kind of, "This is kind of interesting." 195 00:11:58,261 --> 00:12:00,661 As police are interviewing Cabrera 196 00:12:00,821 --> 00:12:03,821 and he's telling this long, detailed story, 197 00:12:03,981 --> 00:12:05,781 they believe he's involved in something, 198 00:12:05,941 --> 00:12:07,461 but they don't really know exactly what. 199 00:12:07,621 --> 00:12:09,541 They don't have the missing car. 200 00:12:09,701 --> 00:12:11,501 They don't know where his girlfriend is, 201 00:12:11,661 --> 00:12:15,061 and they really can't arrest him for anything. 202 00:12:17,541 --> 00:12:19,701 They were suspicious from the start, 203 00:12:19,861 --> 00:12:24,261 but they just didn't have enough information to hold him. 204 00:12:24,421 --> 00:12:25,821 So they had to let him go. 205 00:12:28,101 --> 00:12:29,861 But they want to keep an eye on him, 206 00:12:30,021 --> 00:12:32,101 and they'd actually like him to take a polygraph. 207 00:12:34,741 --> 00:12:39,621 He allows them to search his house because if he says no, 208 00:12:39,781 --> 00:12:41,661 that looks like he's got something to hide. 209 00:12:44,821 --> 00:12:46,501 Once they do search, 210 00:12:46,661 --> 00:12:50,061 they find that her phone is there and not with her. 211 00:12:56,141 --> 00:13:00,661 The minute Victor got home, which was actually in Marina, 212 00:13:00,821 --> 00:13:02,701 my understanding is he packed his belongings. 213 00:13:04,301 --> 00:13:08,301 He was able to get a third party to drive him down 214 00:13:08,461 --> 00:13:11,341 to the border of Mexico, and he disappeared. 215 00:13:16,501 --> 00:13:19,701 So that tells me he wasn't free and clear at all. 216 00:13:19,861 --> 00:13:22,261 He was a suspect at that point. 217 00:13:24,101 --> 00:13:27,501 When police realise Cabrera has jumped the fence and left, 218 00:13:27,661 --> 00:13:31,141 they know that he pretended he was going to come for the polygraph 219 00:13:31,301 --> 00:13:35,221 in order to delay them and to put them off their guard. 220 00:13:38,141 --> 00:13:40,461 He had such a lead on them 221 00:13:40,621 --> 00:13:42,981 that he was able to get into another country. 222 00:13:45,501 --> 00:13:47,221 That same day, 223 00:13:47,381 --> 00:13:50,941 they received a call from someone who noticed a car that was parked 224 00:13:51,101 --> 00:13:53,341 about a block away from the garage. 225 00:13:55,981 --> 00:13:59,821 They ended up finding Roshni Singh in a vehicle, her body, 226 00:13:59,981 --> 00:14:02,541 in an apartment complex, also in Monterey. 227 00:14:06,261 --> 00:14:08,541 And that's when they realised she had been strangled, 228 00:14:08,701 --> 00:14:11,821 and it was a homicide investigation at that point in time. 229 00:14:15,541 --> 00:14:18,541 Because police would have expected to be able to tell him, 230 00:14:18,701 --> 00:14:21,501 to convey information, "We did find the car, 231 00:14:21,661 --> 00:14:24,101 and we found your girlfriend. Unfortunately, she's dead." 232 00:14:24,261 --> 00:14:27,701 And they would have expected him to be wanting to know everything. 233 00:14:27,861 --> 00:14:30,141 "Where did you find the car? What happened to her? 234 00:14:30,301 --> 00:14:33,741 How could this have happened?" Instead, he's fled. 235 00:14:33,901 --> 00:14:38,701 So his behaviour suggests he's part of this. He's guilty of something. 236 00:14:43,021 --> 00:14:47,181 Once the vehicle is found and her body is inside, 237 00:14:47,341 --> 00:14:48,941 we're not dealing with an abduction anymore. 238 00:14:49,101 --> 00:14:50,261 Now we're dealing with a murder. 239 00:14:52,501 --> 00:14:54,341 When police go back 240 00:14:54,501 --> 00:14:56,381 and start knocking on the door of the parents' house 241 00:14:56,541 --> 00:14:59,741 to look for him, kind of clarify what's going on, 242 00:14:59,901 --> 00:15:01,941 and now the parents are uncooperative. 243 00:15:02,101 --> 00:15:04,741 Again, to me, that's another red flag, 244 00:15:04,901 --> 00:15:07,661 because, why would the parents be uncooperative? 245 00:15:07,821 --> 00:15:11,181 Why would he not be there? There's something else going on. 246 00:15:14,221 --> 00:15:16,781 One of the breakthroughs in the case is when the body is found 247 00:15:16,941 --> 00:15:18,821 because by Cabrera's account, 248 00:15:18,981 --> 00:15:21,941 his wife was abducted in the early hours of the morning. 249 00:15:22,101 --> 00:15:25,621 As soon as the body is found, there will be a post mortem examination, 250 00:15:25,781 --> 00:15:30,701 and that would reveal quite quickly that Roshni has been dead longer 251 00:15:30,861 --> 00:15:33,661 than Cabrera has indicated in his account. 252 00:15:33,821 --> 00:15:37,181 So that makes it immediately suspicious. 253 00:15:38,821 --> 00:15:43,461 Now, to determine time of death from a body in the first 40 hours or so 254 00:15:43,621 --> 00:15:47,461 is comparatively straightforward and reasonably accurate. 255 00:15:47,621 --> 00:15:50,581 A pathologist would have taken the body temperature. 256 00:15:50,741 --> 00:15:53,301 They would have looked at a thing called lividity, 257 00:15:53,461 --> 00:15:55,541 which is how the blood pools 258 00:15:55,701 --> 00:15:58,261 by gravity to the lower parts of the body. 259 00:15:58,421 --> 00:16:00,701 And they would have assessed rigor mortis. 260 00:16:00,861 --> 00:16:04,381 Rigor mortis comes on slowly, builds up 261 00:16:04,541 --> 00:16:08,381 and then disappears after two or three days. 262 00:16:08,541 --> 00:16:10,781 So within that time, 263 00:16:10,941 --> 00:16:13,301 a forensic pathologist can be reasonably accurate 264 00:16:13,461 --> 00:16:15,941 about the time of death. 265 00:16:16,101 --> 00:16:18,261 And in this instance, 266 00:16:18,421 --> 00:16:22,781 the pathologist came to the conclusion that Roshni was dead 267 00:16:22,941 --> 00:16:28,661 at the time when Cabrera described she was abducted by the robbers. 268 00:16:32,501 --> 00:16:35,341 In this particular case, we have Victor, 269 00:16:35,501 --> 00:16:38,181 who was remaining at the shop. He remained at the shop, 270 00:16:38,341 --> 00:16:40,461 but the car was still removed. 271 00:16:40,621 --> 00:16:42,981 That means there's somebody else that's involved 272 00:16:43,141 --> 00:16:45,341 that we haven't known about yet. 273 00:16:49,901 --> 00:16:52,821 Very clearly, we have Victor as the number one, 274 00:16:52,981 --> 00:16:54,941 but who's his co-defendant? 275 00:16:55,101 --> 00:16:57,061 Who helped him out? 276 00:16:57,221 --> 00:16:59,061 That becomes the problem now. 277 00:17:01,621 --> 00:17:05,461 Once he's fled the scene and the police are after him, 278 00:17:05,621 --> 00:17:08,021 it is of the utmost importance to find him. 279 00:17:08,181 --> 00:17:09,861 Because if he gets too far away, 280 00:17:10,021 --> 00:17:13,661 it can become increasingly difficult to zero in on him. 281 00:17:17,581 --> 00:17:21,101 Now, the case against him has become much more serious... 282 00:17:23,381 --> 00:17:26,941 because now we have a dead body in a car, 283 00:17:27,101 --> 00:17:28,901 and that murder and kidnapping 284 00:17:29,061 --> 00:17:31,061 could land him in jail for the rest of his life. 285 00:17:34,461 --> 00:17:37,261 One of the things that's most important in all of these cases 286 00:17:37,421 --> 00:17:39,381 is what we call a victimology. 287 00:17:40,421 --> 00:17:44,221 A victimology is a detailed study of the victim... 288 00:17:45,821 --> 00:17:49,461 ...what was going on in their life at the time, their overall background. 289 00:17:49,621 --> 00:17:50,901 That's how we determine, 290 00:17:51,061 --> 00:17:53,421 how in the world could this person become a victim of a crime? 291 00:17:55,821 --> 00:17:57,541 When they do the victimology 292 00:17:57,701 --> 00:17:59,661 and they discovered this insurance policy 293 00:17:59,821 --> 00:18:02,341 that Victor would have collected on, 294 00:18:02,501 --> 00:18:04,341 they have established their motive. 295 00:18:04,501 --> 00:18:08,141 A monetary motive is one of the most universal. 296 00:18:08,301 --> 00:18:11,861 We find this all the time. So now we have to go and find Victor, 297 00:18:12,021 --> 00:18:15,341 because now he's really the prime suspect. 298 00:18:20,261 --> 00:18:23,901 It's bad enough looking for a fugitive in one single country, 299 00:18:24,061 --> 00:18:27,021 but he could literally be anywhere in the world. 300 00:18:29,381 --> 00:18:33,221 Victor went to Mexico, probably believing he's untouchable, 301 00:18:33,381 --> 00:18:36,341 but always looking over his shoulder 302 00:18:36,501 --> 00:18:40,981 because he knows that at any time he could be arrested. 303 00:18:50,381 --> 00:18:52,901 The police now don't have Victor in custody. 304 00:18:53,061 --> 00:18:54,781 They don't know where he's gone. He's fled. 305 00:18:54,941 --> 00:18:58,701 He's probably gone to Mexico because he does have relatives there. 306 00:19:01,101 --> 00:19:05,021 When police spoke to witnesses and people who knew Roshni, 307 00:19:05,181 --> 00:19:07,861 they learned that there had been money trouble. 308 00:19:08,021 --> 00:19:12,341 There have been arguments. There was some real problems between them, 309 00:19:12,501 --> 00:19:16,021 which added to the idea that he was involved 310 00:19:16,181 --> 00:19:18,141 in something that happened to her. 311 00:19:20,901 --> 00:19:23,861 One of the things in all crimes, there's always a motive. 312 00:19:25,061 --> 00:19:28,741 It's like, who could possibly benefit from this event? 313 00:19:30,381 --> 00:19:32,101 In this case, 314 00:19:32,261 --> 00:19:35,061 they found that he took out an insurance policy against her... 315 00:19:36,981 --> 00:19:39,821 ...and obviously was the beneficiary if she died. 316 00:19:41,701 --> 00:19:43,981 Police suspected there was an accomplice 317 00:19:44,141 --> 00:19:46,981 because of the way Cabrera had been tied up. 318 00:19:48,381 --> 00:19:50,701 And so they look through his cell phone data 319 00:19:50,861 --> 00:19:54,901 and find messages to a man named Francisco. 320 00:19:55,061 --> 00:19:57,541 And they believe that he is the accomplice, 321 00:19:57,701 --> 00:20:00,301 and they want to bring him in because accomplices 322 00:20:00,461 --> 00:20:02,301 are typically the weak link. 323 00:20:02,461 --> 00:20:06,301 And under pressure, they might give information that will help. 324 00:20:08,141 --> 00:20:10,501 It is the case of Agaton-Hernandez, 325 00:20:10,661 --> 00:20:14,421 one of two people accused of killing Roshni Singh. 326 00:20:15,861 --> 00:20:18,741 Hernandez is considered the accomplice, 327 00:20:18,901 --> 00:20:21,061 but still, he's on trial for murder. 328 00:20:22,501 --> 00:20:26,221 They have the accomplice. They brought him in, Francisco. 329 00:20:26,381 --> 00:20:28,701 They're now going to be looking for, 330 00:20:28,861 --> 00:20:30,781 what's in it for the accomplice? 331 00:20:30,941 --> 00:20:34,901 Why would they participate in a murder and a staged robbery? 332 00:20:37,741 --> 00:20:39,581 When you commit a crime with another person 333 00:20:39,741 --> 00:20:42,741 or assist another person, you can be liable for murder, 334 00:20:42,901 --> 00:20:45,541 even if the other person does the murder. 335 00:20:45,701 --> 00:20:47,501 So this becomes a big bargaining chip 336 00:20:47,661 --> 00:20:51,861 because murder for financial gain is a special-circumstances crime, 337 00:20:52,021 --> 00:20:56,621 and that can elevate a homicide to a capital murder 338 00:20:56,781 --> 00:21:01,221 where the death penalty could be imposed. 339 00:21:01,381 --> 00:21:04,541 Or in this case, life without parole is mandatory. 340 00:21:07,141 --> 00:21:10,461 When Francisco is arrested and comes into the picture, 341 00:21:10,621 --> 00:21:12,341 there's not more powerful evidence against him, 342 00:21:12,501 --> 00:21:14,341 but he's got more explaining to do 343 00:21:14,501 --> 00:21:18,821 because he is seen next to the car where the body is found. 344 00:21:18,981 --> 00:21:22,421 If he doesn't live near there, why was he there? 345 00:21:22,581 --> 00:21:24,501 The police will be very curious about that. 346 00:21:24,661 --> 00:21:27,901 They will also want his explanation about all this, 347 00:21:28,061 --> 00:21:30,421 and they will be testing his explanation 348 00:21:30,581 --> 00:21:33,261 against Cabrera's explanation. 349 00:21:33,421 --> 00:21:36,101 And generally speaking, 350 00:21:36,261 --> 00:21:39,141 these two accounts will not mesh together. 351 00:21:39,301 --> 00:21:45,181 There will be areas that will provide the police with leverage, 352 00:21:45,341 --> 00:21:49,141 and of course, the ultimate leverage that they can use, 353 00:21:49,301 --> 00:21:51,101 particularly in the United States, 354 00:21:51,261 --> 00:21:53,301 is that they can say, "Well, 355 00:21:53,461 --> 00:21:55,341 if you come clean about this, 356 00:21:55,501 --> 00:21:58,781 you will get a better break than your accomplice." 357 00:21:58,941 --> 00:22:04,461 And they will pit the two accused people against each other. 358 00:22:04,621 --> 00:22:06,941 Sometimes they do not need to put them against each other. 359 00:22:07,101 --> 00:22:09,181 They actually choose to go against each other. 360 00:22:09,341 --> 00:22:12,381 And there are counter accusations. 361 00:22:12,541 --> 00:22:16,141 Counter accusations like this will kind of break the case 362 00:22:16,301 --> 00:22:21,101 completely wide open, enable the police to gather more evidence 363 00:22:21,261 --> 00:22:24,141 that establish that it's actually a homicide 364 00:22:24,301 --> 00:22:26,221 that was planned by these two people, 365 00:22:26,381 --> 00:22:29,661 rather than an abduction by these mysterious robbers. 366 00:22:33,421 --> 00:22:36,861 When you go to the second suspect and they starts giving information, 367 00:22:37,021 --> 00:22:39,501 the most important thing is is we always want to ask 368 00:22:39,661 --> 00:22:44,221 this co-conspirator something that only a co-conspirator would know, 369 00:22:44,381 --> 00:22:47,781 because that's the one that tells us this is our guy. 370 00:22:50,181 --> 00:22:53,101 The autopsy report had come in to show 371 00:22:53,261 --> 00:22:56,621 that Roshni had been murdered around midnight, 372 00:22:56,781 --> 00:22:59,301 not during the time of the robbery. 373 00:22:59,461 --> 00:23:03,781 So they can use that to pressure Francisco 374 00:23:03,941 --> 00:23:07,821 to confess up to the fact that he was part of this plan 375 00:23:07,981 --> 00:23:11,861 and that Cabrera had wanted to kill Roshni 376 00:23:12,021 --> 00:23:14,581 in order to get the insurance payout 377 00:23:14,741 --> 00:23:17,341 and then stage the robbery 378 00:23:17,501 --> 00:23:22,221 and kidnapping so that neither of them would be implicated in it. 379 00:23:26,461 --> 00:23:29,741 You have to be thinking about Roshni in a very detached 380 00:23:29,901 --> 00:23:33,141 and indifferent way. She's just a pawn in their game, 381 00:23:33,301 --> 00:23:35,821 and to them, the payout is worth, 382 00:23:35,981 --> 00:23:38,061 you know, whatever risk they're taking. 383 00:23:38,221 --> 00:23:40,061 She is a nobody to them. 384 00:23:40,221 --> 00:23:42,661 She just the way they can enrich themselves. 385 00:23:42,821 --> 00:23:45,501 Agaton was originally arrested for accessory, 386 00:23:45,661 --> 00:23:48,101 but then prosecutors changed it to murder 387 00:23:48,261 --> 00:23:50,381 and conspiracy to commit murder. 388 00:23:50,541 --> 00:23:53,341 The defence says the charges don't add up. 389 00:23:58,701 --> 00:24:03,541 I suspect that prosecutors needed a little bit more evidence, 390 00:24:03,701 --> 00:24:07,221 something more direct, and I'm quite sure that they gave him a deal 391 00:24:07,381 --> 00:24:10,741 in exchange for his testimony. That's often how it happens. 392 00:24:12,621 --> 00:24:15,101 A guilty verdict today in the murder 393 00:24:15,261 --> 00:24:17,421 of a Marina mother nearly three years ago. 394 00:24:17,581 --> 00:24:21,021 Francisco Agaton-Hernandez is one of two people 395 00:24:21,181 --> 00:24:23,021 accused of killing Roshni Singh. 396 00:24:23,181 --> 00:24:25,861 Today, a judge found him guilty. 397 00:24:29,101 --> 00:24:35,021 Francisco is found guilty of being an accomplice to murder and fraud, 398 00:24:35,181 --> 00:24:37,461 and he gets a life sentence. 399 00:24:37,621 --> 00:24:39,621 But they still don't have Victor. 400 00:24:45,541 --> 00:24:48,941 There is no question anymore that Victor is the one behind this, 401 00:24:49,101 --> 00:24:52,221 and Victor is still gone. Victor is nowhere to be found. 402 00:24:52,381 --> 00:24:54,261 And so for the family, 403 00:24:54,421 --> 00:24:57,701 they need the police to find him as quickly as possible. 404 00:25:00,501 --> 00:25:02,541 He does have to face what he did. 405 00:25:04,901 --> 00:25:08,741 For the family of Roshni Singh, they know who did this. 406 00:25:08,901 --> 00:25:12,461 There's been one trial for the accomplice. It's a done deal. 407 00:25:12,621 --> 00:25:16,621 He's been found guilty. He's talked about the plan, 408 00:25:16,781 --> 00:25:19,181 but they don't have the perpetrator. 409 00:25:21,301 --> 00:25:24,101 He's free. He's somewhere in Mexico, 410 00:25:24,261 --> 00:25:27,181 and they may never get justice. 411 00:25:31,101 --> 00:25:34,021 When somebody is on the run like this, oftentimes, 412 00:25:34,181 --> 00:25:35,901 once they get far enough away, 413 00:25:36,061 --> 00:25:37,741 more and more people have to be involved. 414 00:25:37,901 --> 00:25:40,261 Once the logistics get more and more complicated, 415 00:25:40,421 --> 00:25:42,181 the harder it is to find them. 416 00:25:42,341 --> 00:25:45,101 And so as this is snowballing 417 00:25:45,261 --> 00:25:47,501 and they're looking and they're getting more people involved, 418 00:25:47,661 --> 00:25:50,421 it almost seems like it's getting harder and harder. 419 00:25:53,701 --> 00:25:58,381 Victor is still missing, and the case goes cold. 420 00:26:00,181 --> 00:26:02,101 Normally in cold cases, 421 00:26:02,261 --> 00:26:05,941 you have a victim with an unknown suspect. 422 00:26:06,101 --> 00:26:10,061 This is an unusual situation because they know who the suspect is, 423 00:26:10,221 --> 00:26:11,901 but they just can't find him. 424 00:26:13,781 --> 00:26:18,061 It will take a really intrepid detective to track down Cabrera. 425 00:26:20,181 --> 00:26:24,101 It really requires a detective who sticks with it 426 00:26:24,261 --> 00:26:26,821 and really follows each small lead. 427 00:26:30,061 --> 00:26:33,301 One of the things that detectives have is that it becomes 428 00:26:33,461 --> 00:26:36,261 "This is my case." We say we have ownership of this case. 429 00:26:36,421 --> 00:26:39,221 "So I'm going to follow it no matter where it goes 430 00:26:39,381 --> 00:26:41,981 for as long as I'm working." As a matter of fact, 431 00:26:42,141 --> 00:26:45,621 we have had detectives that had retired still come back to make sure 432 00:26:45,781 --> 00:26:48,301 somebody is working that case that they were working on. 433 00:26:53,701 --> 00:26:55,581 They know who did it. 434 00:26:55,741 --> 00:26:59,021 They just don't know how to get him back and where he is. 435 00:26:59,181 --> 00:27:01,941 California is a death penalty state. 436 00:27:02,101 --> 00:27:03,981 So if he's fled to Mexico, 437 00:27:04,141 --> 00:27:08,741 Mexico would have some restrictions on sending him back. 438 00:27:14,861 --> 00:27:16,781 As years pass, 439 00:27:16,941 --> 00:27:20,861 Victor has the opportunity to totally transform his life, 440 00:27:21,021 --> 00:27:24,741 maybe change the way he looks, get a totally different identity. 441 00:27:24,901 --> 00:27:27,141 So many things he could be doing throughout that time, 442 00:27:27,301 --> 00:27:29,261 and simultaneously, Roshni's family, 443 00:27:29,421 --> 00:27:31,221 you know, are losing hope. 444 00:27:31,381 --> 00:27:33,581 As time goes by, 445 00:27:33,741 --> 00:27:36,261 they realise they may never find him. 446 00:27:41,421 --> 00:27:45,461 If someone doesn't wanna be found, that's really difficult these days. 447 00:27:45,621 --> 00:27:49,901 With cameras everywhere and social media and digital forensics, 448 00:27:50,061 --> 00:27:51,301 it can be very difficult. 449 00:28:04,781 --> 00:28:07,501 In 2015, I said, "Hey, 450 00:28:07,661 --> 00:28:09,581 we have this old case here. 451 00:28:09,741 --> 00:28:13,461 Victor Cabrera has been on the run since 2008." 452 00:28:13,621 --> 00:28:17,261 And so when I started formulating a plan of, OK, well, 453 00:28:17,421 --> 00:28:21,141 how can I apprehend this person? 454 00:28:21,301 --> 00:28:25,861 And we didn't have any good intel, or I should say information, 455 00:28:26,021 --> 00:28:29,541 that let me know where Victor was in Mexico. 456 00:28:32,021 --> 00:28:34,381 It's why working in a team works so well, 457 00:28:34,541 --> 00:28:36,781 is because when you have a variety of people looking at it 458 00:28:36,941 --> 00:28:38,701 with different skills and backgrounds, 459 00:28:38,861 --> 00:28:40,381 sometimes people come up with some ideas. 460 00:28:42,621 --> 00:28:44,341 With a person on the run, 461 00:28:44,501 --> 00:28:46,661 the longer they are gone makes it more 462 00:28:46,821 --> 00:28:48,821 and more difficult for them to be found. 463 00:28:49,981 --> 00:28:51,701 They could change appearances drastically. 464 00:28:53,821 --> 00:28:58,221 As more time goes by, witnesses may move or pass away. 465 00:28:59,261 --> 00:29:01,021 Evidence may go missing... 466 00:29:02,261 --> 00:29:04,181 ...and memories can fade. 467 00:29:04,341 --> 00:29:07,781 You're getting further and further away from your suspect. 468 00:29:09,981 --> 00:29:12,421 Obviously, the biggest part is, where is he? 469 00:29:12,581 --> 00:29:15,461 Because if I don't know where he is, then nothing else really matters. 470 00:29:17,861 --> 00:29:19,741 He's going to be keeping tabs on the news. 471 00:29:19,901 --> 00:29:23,021 He's going to be keeping tabs on the investigation. 472 00:29:23,181 --> 00:29:27,941 He is going to find out what police have done so far 473 00:29:28,101 --> 00:29:31,221 through social media, through news outlets. 474 00:29:31,381 --> 00:29:37,101 Then he's going to realise he is actively being sought after, 475 00:29:37,261 --> 00:29:40,541 which will cause him to go deeper underground. 476 00:29:43,581 --> 00:29:46,221 We also kind of had to figure out, who does he know down there? 477 00:29:46,381 --> 00:29:47,901 Who does the family know in Mexico? 478 00:29:48,061 --> 00:29:51,061 That could give us potential areas of where he could be. 479 00:29:54,381 --> 00:29:57,741 Someone who's staying on the run is going to meet other people 480 00:29:57,901 --> 00:30:01,221 and especially if he decides he's going to start over again 481 00:30:01,381 --> 00:30:04,381 and get a job and get into relationships 482 00:30:04,541 --> 00:30:06,381 and, you know, maybe even have a family. 483 00:30:06,541 --> 00:30:09,381 All of those people are potential weak links. 484 00:30:09,541 --> 00:30:13,021 Especially if he's hidden what he has done 485 00:30:13,181 --> 00:30:15,101 and the fact that he's a wanted person. 486 00:30:15,261 --> 00:30:17,541 They may just post his picture. 487 00:30:17,701 --> 00:30:20,141 They may talk about him, you know, 488 00:30:20,301 --> 00:30:23,501 without really realising they're giving something to police 489 00:30:23,661 --> 00:30:26,301 to track him down. 490 00:30:26,461 --> 00:30:29,021 So each time he makes a connection with people 491 00:30:29,181 --> 00:30:32,221 or has a record of something, like a job, 492 00:30:32,381 --> 00:30:35,261 he's leaving himself open to being found. 493 00:30:38,661 --> 00:30:40,461 Roshni's family have to live with the idea 494 00:30:40,621 --> 00:30:44,061 that he might be getting to have a great time, 495 00:30:44,221 --> 00:30:45,621 getting to start a new relationship, 496 00:30:45,781 --> 00:30:48,701 perhaps even inflict more pain on another woman. 497 00:30:48,861 --> 00:30:51,221 And just the idea that he's able to do that 498 00:30:51,381 --> 00:30:53,101 is something that plagues them. 499 00:30:55,901 --> 00:30:59,061 Something too to understand is the way Mexico works. 500 00:30:59,221 --> 00:31:01,981 It's a lot different than the United States. 501 00:31:02,141 --> 00:31:05,821 Some people can be bribed and be given money, and so they can 502 00:31:05,981 --> 00:31:08,381 just walk out of police stations and so forth if you have some money. 503 00:31:12,421 --> 00:31:14,621 We figured out there was kind of a general area where 504 00:31:14,781 --> 00:31:17,101 he could potentially be... 505 00:31:18,061 --> 00:31:20,501 ...one of the big cities, Guadalajara. 506 00:31:23,421 --> 00:31:26,381 We knew that his brother had some dealings down there. 507 00:31:27,781 --> 00:31:31,861 We started our liaison with some of the units down there. 508 00:31:32,021 --> 00:31:37,101 Through that, we got another lead that we were able to then figure out 509 00:31:37,261 --> 00:31:39,621 who Victor's girlfriend was. 510 00:31:39,781 --> 00:31:44,141 I was like, "OK, well, I'm not going to look for Victor anymore. 511 00:31:44,301 --> 00:31:46,141 I'm gonna start looking for this girlfriend," 512 00:31:46,301 --> 00:31:48,061 cos in my mind, I was like, 513 00:31:48,221 --> 00:31:51,381 girlfriend is going to be a little bit more open about her life, 514 00:31:51,541 --> 00:31:54,261 and I figure her communication footprint is gonna be much larger 515 00:31:54,421 --> 00:31:56,101 than Victor's would be. 516 00:31:58,461 --> 00:32:01,101 And through her footprint, 517 00:32:01,261 --> 00:32:03,581 we then got information that she worked at a factory 518 00:32:03,741 --> 00:32:05,741 right outside of Guadalajara. 519 00:32:06,941 --> 00:32:10,741 And so we were able to get some eyes on this factory. 520 00:32:12,101 --> 00:32:14,941 And so the first problem we had is this factory was huge. 521 00:32:15,101 --> 00:32:18,741 It was, like, a 10,000 employee type of place. 522 00:32:18,901 --> 00:32:21,501 And so we're like, "Oh, gosh, how are we going to find this person? 523 00:32:21,661 --> 00:32:23,661 It's like a needle in a haystack." 524 00:32:24,541 --> 00:32:28,861 So one thing we kind of lucked out on is Victor was driving a vehicle 525 00:32:29,021 --> 00:32:31,541 from Michoacan, so he had different plates. 526 00:32:31,701 --> 00:32:33,941 And so we did some more surveillance, 527 00:32:34,101 --> 00:32:37,301 ended up seeing a vehicle with Michoacan plates in that location. 528 00:32:37,461 --> 00:32:39,941 And that's when we were able to, you know, first got our first eyes 529 00:32:40,101 --> 00:32:42,261 on Victor Cabrera in the vehicle. 530 00:32:45,941 --> 00:32:47,621 And so we knew he would come 531 00:32:47,781 --> 00:32:50,301 and go pick up his girlfriend from work every day. 532 00:32:50,461 --> 00:32:54,581 And so we flew down to Guadalajara. 533 00:32:59,261 --> 00:33:02,941 After ten years have gone by since Victor committed this crime, 534 00:33:03,101 --> 00:33:04,781 he was probably under the impression 535 00:33:04,941 --> 00:33:07,541 that he was gonna get away with this. It was all going to be fine. 536 00:33:07,701 --> 00:33:09,461 He had started a new life. 537 00:33:11,421 --> 00:33:13,181 They weren't going to find him. 538 00:33:22,141 --> 00:33:23,981 The day of the actual arrest, 539 00:33:24,141 --> 00:33:25,941 Victor Cabrera was driving, 540 00:33:26,101 --> 00:33:28,941 and all the windows were blacked out from what I recall. 541 00:33:31,701 --> 00:33:33,621 And so we're sitting in this big high rise, 542 00:33:33,781 --> 00:33:35,981 and I'm excited because I'm like, "Hey, we're going to do this. 543 00:33:36,141 --> 00:33:38,301 We're going to get Victor in custody." 544 00:33:39,461 --> 00:33:43,421 Remember we saw the car. He's headed towards the factory, 545 00:33:46,301 --> 00:33:48,301 And they pulled him over, 546 00:33:48,461 --> 00:33:51,581 and I was actually able to see him getting taken into custody. 547 00:33:55,341 --> 00:33:57,501 While he was taken into custody, Victor, the whole time, 548 00:33:57,661 --> 00:34:00,061 denied it was him. He was like, "You have the wrong person. 549 00:34:00,221 --> 00:34:03,941 My name is not Victor. I am not the person you're looking for." 550 00:34:06,381 --> 00:34:09,421 We were able to look at all of his documentation he had on him, 551 00:34:09,581 --> 00:34:13,221 and his driver's licence and his Mexican identification card, 552 00:34:13,381 --> 00:34:16,381 and everything had actually a new identity on it. 553 00:34:16,541 --> 00:34:18,261 So he had very legitimate documentation 554 00:34:18,421 --> 00:34:20,941 that was not under his name. 555 00:34:23,861 --> 00:34:25,701 Once that occurred, 556 00:34:25,861 --> 00:34:30,061 he was transported to the immigration building in Guadalajara. 557 00:34:30,221 --> 00:34:34,141 He still denied he was Victor. Clearly was Victor Cabrera. 558 00:34:34,301 --> 00:34:36,101 And so we ended up showing him a photograph 559 00:34:36,261 --> 00:34:39,781 of his California driver's licence. And said, "Well, this is you." 560 00:34:39,941 --> 00:34:42,221 And eventually he gave in and said, "Yeah, that is me. 561 00:34:42,381 --> 00:34:45,101 I am Victor Cabrera." 562 00:34:45,261 --> 00:34:47,101 {\an8}Mi nombre es Victor Cabrera. 563 00:34:47,261 --> 00:34:49,061 {\an8}Victor Cabrera was arrested Monday 564 00:34:49,221 --> 00:34:51,781 {\an8}after federal agents found him living on the run in Guadalajara, 565 00:34:51,941 --> 00:34:53,781 {\an8}Mexico. 566 00:34:56,381 --> 00:34:59,141 When Victor is finally found and arrested, 567 00:34:59,301 --> 00:35:02,301 there is a sense that now he can be brought back. 568 00:35:02,461 --> 00:35:05,901 Now there can be a trial or some kind of plea deal, 569 00:35:06,061 --> 00:35:09,621 that justice can finally be done on this case. 570 00:35:16,341 --> 00:35:18,421 Roshni's family finally get that phone call 571 00:35:18,581 --> 00:35:22,021 they've always been waiting for. The police have located Victor. 572 00:35:22,181 --> 00:35:24,381 They're extraditing him back to the United States, 573 00:35:24,541 --> 00:35:26,221 and they're finally going to get 574 00:35:26,381 --> 00:35:28,301 that justice they've been waiting for. 575 00:35:37,301 --> 00:35:39,861 And so we then I met him at the airport, 576 00:35:40,021 --> 00:35:43,341 boarded a plane, and we flew back to the US. 577 00:35:43,501 --> 00:35:47,581 So I actually got to spend about five-plus hours with Mr Cabrera. 578 00:35:50,701 --> 00:35:52,501 It's a long ten years 579 00:35:52,661 --> 00:35:56,221 with a lot of time wondering if this will ever happen. 580 00:35:56,381 --> 00:35:58,301 But finally, the case is done. 581 00:36:00,781 --> 00:36:03,701 So here in California, the first thing that happens is 582 00:36:03,861 --> 00:36:05,581 he's brought in front of a judge, 583 00:36:05,741 --> 00:36:08,461 and he's asked what his plea is. In this case, he pled not guilty. 584 00:36:11,021 --> 00:36:15,701 A not-guilty plea is not uncommon in these types of cases 585 00:36:15,861 --> 00:36:20,581 because saying not guilty is "You don't have the evidence against me." 586 00:36:20,741 --> 00:36:25,141 And during that time between his not-guilty plea and his trial, 587 00:36:25,301 --> 00:36:28,021 his attorneys will have time to build a case, 588 00:36:28,181 --> 00:36:30,901 build an investigation, build a defence. 589 00:36:31,061 --> 00:36:33,941 So by the time he gets to trial, 590 00:36:34,101 --> 00:36:36,061 his attorneys will be completely ready. 591 00:36:39,941 --> 00:36:41,621 Most cases that go to court, 592 00:36:41,781 --> 00:36:44,941 there is a package of evidence that, direct or indirect, 593 00:36:45,101 --> 00:36:48,541 points to the guilt of an individual. 594 00:36:48,701 --> 00:36:51,061 So they would be very careful 595 00:36:51,221 --> 00:36:55,701 about getting a precise account from Cabrera. 596 00:36:55,861 --> 00:36:59,581 They would go over the story many times 597 00:36:59,741 --> 00:37:04,301 to establish whether there was any contradictions or inaccuracies 598 00:37:04,461 --> 00:37:07,781 or pull out detail that he might have forgotten. 599 00:37:08,861 --> 00:37:11,661 Once they have that account, 600 00:37:11,821 --> 00:37:13,741 the question they have in their mind is, 601 00:37:13,901 --> 00:37:16,941 "Well, does that fit with the rest of the findings? 602 00:37:17,101 --> 00:37:19,821 Does that fit with what we found at the crime scene? 603 00:37:19,981 --> 00:37:22,621 Does that fit with his injuries? 604 00:37:22,781 --> 00:37:25,301 Does it fit with the pathological evidence?" 605 00:37:25,461 --> 00:37:28,221 And in this instance, it doesn't. 606 00:37:30,341 --> 00:37:35,901 And then we went to trial in August of 2018. 607 00:37:39,021 --> 00:37:41,021 Victor's finally at trial, 608 00:37:41,181 --> 00:37:43,421 and he faces a 12-person jury, 609 00:37:43,581 --> 00:37:47,301 who's going to determine whether he's guilty or not. 610 00:37:49,261 --> 00:37:51,141 In terms of the forensic 611 00:37:51,301 --> 00:37:53,741 or the more technical evidence that's presented in court, 612 00:37:53,901 --> 00:37:57,661 the most powerful evidence is from the highly experienced, 613 00:37:57,821 --> 00:37:59,741 credible forensic pathologist. 614 00:37:59,901 --> 00:38:04,021 So that is likely to resonate strongly with the jury. 615 00:38:04,181 --> 00:38:07,341 The other areas around the rope 616 00:38:07,501 --> 00:38:11,381 and the lack of injuries to Cabrera. 617 00:38:11,541 --> 00:38:14,221 Now these are more subjective, but it may well be 618 00:38:14,381 --> 00:38:18,261 that the pathologist would have got involved in that as well 619 00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:22,581 and commented that it's very unusual for someone to be involved 620 00:38:22,741 --> 00:38:27,061 in a fight or to be assaulted and have no injuries whatsoever. 621 00:38:29,661 --> 00:38:32,261 At the time, Victor had a very good defence attorney 622 00:38:32,421 --> 00:38:35,061 named Larry Biegel. And really, 623 00:38:35,221 --> 00:38:37,341 in the system, you want the defence attorney to do a good job 624 00:38:37,501 --> 00:38:40,101 because it keeps the system fair. They brought their defence. 625 00:38:40,261 --> 00:38:42,821 We had our case to present. 626 00:38:42,981 --> 00:38:45,501 And so, I think we let the facts speak for themselves. 627 00:38:47,861 --> 00:38:52,181 In this case, the jury found him guilty of murder 628 00:38:52,341 --> 00:38:56,101 with the special circumstance of murder for financial gain. 629 00:38:56,261 --> 00:39:01,021 And what that means is he is not eligible for parole. 630 00:39:01,181 --> 00:39:03,901 Special circumstances can elevate a murder case 631 00:39:04,061 --> 00:39:09,341 to a death penalty case or a case of mandatory life without parole. 632 00:39:09,501 --> 00:39:12,181 And in this case, that's what he got. 633 00:39:15,101 --> 00:39:18,421 Once there's a conviction, there is great personal relief, 634 00:39:18,581 --> 00:39:22,421 a lot of personal satisfaction, because you've worked nights, 635 00:39:22,581 --> 00:39:24,461 you've discounted your own family, 636 00:39:24,621 --> 00:39:27,261 you've done things above and beyond 637 00:39:27,421 --> 00:39:30,021 sometimes what's necessary in order to bring this forward. 638 00:39:33,181 --> 00:39:35,501 At the end of the day, it's, you know, 639 00:39:35,661 --> 00:39:38,941 what evidence was presented that found him guilty? 640 00:39:39,781 --> 00:39:42,061 I think it's the totality of it. 641 00:39:43,461 --> 00:39:45,301 Lots of little pieces that come together. 642 00:39:46,581 --> 00:39:50,181 He's dialling a phone with his tongue for 45 minutes 643 00:39:50,341 --> 00:39:52,461 where he's barely tied up. Does that make sense? 644 00:39:52,621 --> 00:39:54,061 Right? It doesn't make sense. 645 00:39:55,421 --> 00:39:57,581 Also, then locating the crime scene in Marina. 646 00:39:57,741 --> 00:40:00,101 I mean, that's kind of a big clue, 647 00:40:00,261 --> 00:40:03,141 is if the crime scene is not at this gas station 648 00:40:03,301 --> 00:40:05,061 or in this vehicle, 649 00:40:05,221 --> 00:40:07,621 that, really, the murder happened in a whole nother location. 650 00:40:09,501 --> 00:40:11,821 And it happens to be the house where he's living. 651 00:40:14,341 --> 00:40:18,821 It is as if Victor is overlooking the fact 652 00:40:18,981 --> 00:40:22,301 that the person he murdered was a human being, 653 00:40:22,461 --> 00:40:26,101 and he just saw dollar signs. 654 00:40:30,501 --> 00:40:32,061 For me, it's just something where it's, 655 00:40:32,221 --> 00:40:33,501 try to feel good for the family. 656 00:40:33,661 --> 00:40:36,581 I hope they feel that they get some type of closure. 657 00:40:36,741 --> 00:40:39,741 I'm not sure if you can ever get any type of full closure. 658 00:40:41,781 --> 00:40:44,621 But at least he's not still running around and free. 659 00:40:44,781 --> 00:40:47,301 That he's paying for what he did. 660 00:40:50,781 --> 00:40:53,101 This is probably Victor's first murder. 661 00:40:53,261 --> 00:40:55,621 It's probably his first robbery, 662 00:40:55,781 --> 00:40:57,581 but it's not ours, the cops. 663 00:40:57,741 --> 00:41:00,021 We know what we're looking for, 664 00:41:00,181 --> 00:41:03,661 but they don't know because they've never actually done it. 665 00:41:06,021 --> 00:41:09,301 He killed a mother. He killed somebody's sister, 666 00:41:09,461 --> 00:41:12,261 somebody's daughter. That's terrible. 667 00:41:12,421 --> 00:41:15,821 But these type of crimes, it really affects a lot of people. 668 00:41:15,981 --> 00:41:18,621 Not only does it affect family, 669 00:41:18,781 --> 00:41:20,621 of course, very much so, her son. 670 00:41:20,781 --> 00:41:24,141 but also now the Cabreras at the same time too. 671 00:41:24,301 --> 00:41:25,941 They have to live with something like that too. 672 00:41:28,461 --> 00:41:30,141 There was this added element to the fact 673 00:41:30,301 --> 00:41:32,901 that Victor had tied himself up, 674 00:41:33,061 --> 00:41:36,581 had staged this whole entire thing to look like an abduction of Roshni, 675 00:41:36,741 --> 00:41:39,581 and added a whole nother element to this case 676 00:41:39,741 --> 00:41:41,861 of having planned this whole entire thing 677 00:41:42,021 --> 00:41:45,941 and lost this beautiful life over it. 678 00:41:49,021 --> 00:41:51,701 Was justice done? I believe so. 679 00:41:51,861 --> 00:41:54,021 Victor Cabrera, he's in prison. 680 00:41:54,181 --> 00:41:56,021 I don't think he can hurt anybody again, hopefully. 681 00:41:57,541 --> 00:41:59,741 He's paying for his crime. 682 00:42:03,101 --> 00:42:06,301 Roshni was such a beloved member of her community, 683 00:42:06,461 --> 00:42:08,741 family. So many people admired her, 684 00:42:08,901 --> 00:42:12,381 and especially her ability to take care of her son as a single mom. 685 00:42:12,541 --> 00:42:17,981 And when it came out that Victor had committed this crime for money, 686 00:42:18,141 --> 00:42:21,261 something as small and paltry as $600,000, 687 00:42:21,421 --> 00:42:24,221 people just couldn't believe that somebody was capable 688 00:42:24,381 --> 00:42:28,421 of doing something so awful for something so insignificant. 689 00:43:02,581 --> 00:43:04,981 Subtitles by Sky Access Services 55976

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