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Even if you don't know
a law enforcement officer,
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they all feel
a little bit like family.
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Only another
peace officer understands
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your daily struggles
and the work that you do.
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Brian Eubanks lived
in Newcomerstown with his wife.
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He had been a police officer
for about 12 years.
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{\an8}You get a sick feeling
to your stomach.
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I'm thinking the worst.
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They never know what they're getting
into when they pull over that car.
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You trust the police officer.
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It's not suspected in any way
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that this could be a false report.
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Those first statements
did make us a bit suspicious,
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because the detail he gave
didn't seem terribly realistic
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of someone who'd just walked up
on a car in a traffic stop.
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Chaz called and reached out
to Newcomerstown Police Department.
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He told me he was coming to me.
He wanted to speak to me.
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A manhunt is underway
right now for two men,
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after a suspect shoots
a police officer in eastern Ohio.
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{\an8}I think he was shooting to kill me,
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{\an8}because the gun was originally
pointed at my face and I moved.
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{\an8}Going out and giving interviews,
there's something wrong.
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Brian's story
is that there was another car there,
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but nobody else saw it.
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There are people who stage scenes
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that we think of
as narrators or fabricators,
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who want to say so much
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that it's like they're overdoing it.
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We become very good at understanding
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truthful people versus people
who are not being truthful.
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Tuscarawas County is a lot of
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rolling Appalachian
foothill territory.
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It has two big cities,
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Dover and New Philadelphia,
which are adjacent,
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and villages,
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but a lot of the area
is rural farmland.
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People are going to laugh
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and think I'm a bit biased
when I say this,
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but it's a county
of about 93,000 people,
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and I think it's the greatest place
to live in the world.
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Everybody just really kind of
looks out for each other.
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It's a great county.
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If you've lived here a long time
and, you know,
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it doesn't feel
as safe as it used to,
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I still think this is an extremely
safe area to raise your family.
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And I love that, you know,
my family does live here.
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Newcomerstown is the best
kept secret in Tuscarawas County.
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It's not the most glamorous town,
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population a little under
5,000 people,
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but they're a very core
group of people that live there
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that are very community-oriented,
and their sports programs and...
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for being a smaller area,
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the community really
comes together for one another.
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I'd say our overall
crime rate is very low,
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and the people here
get along very well
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and feel more like family
with everybody.
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Being as small as it was,
with the village,
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though they had
five or six police officers,
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they do know one another.
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Everybody knows everybody
in Newcomerstown,
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and the officers there
were well-known by...
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by the community members.
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My sense about Newcomerstown
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is that the people there
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are familiar with each other.
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They know each other
a lot from their backgrounds.
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They went to school together.
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I don't feel that it's a place where
a lot of people rush in and move in,
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or a lot of people move out.
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I don't think anyone
moves to Newcomerstown
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because they expect to be
rich and famous there.
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I think a lot of the people there
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have family there,
they grew up there.
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I think a lot of family and social
relationships bind that community.
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People are close.
And as a result of being close,
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having gone to school together,
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having known each other for so long
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and knowing each other's relatives,
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I think they're very
trusting people.
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The sheriff is the chief
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law enforcement official
of the county.
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We have jurisdiction everywhere,
on all property.
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That's what's unique about us.
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There are cities and villages
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that also have police agencies,
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and they have jurisdiction
within your town,
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but the sheriff covers all of those,
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and we're brought into many of those
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communities all the time
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for different types of crimes.
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In Ohio, a village is a town
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that has a population
of less than 5,000,
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so I think Newcomerstown
is around 3,700.
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It's a great little community.
The people that grew up there
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and live there
have a lot of pride in it.
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They basically handle all the basic
calls that they get in the village.
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The pay for a Newcomerstown
police officer was quite low,
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and so I imagine that people there
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are there because
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they have a feeling
of attachment to the community.
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I certainly don't feel
that in Newcomerstown
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it was one of those places where
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police are very afraid
of the community
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and the community
is hostile toward the police.
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I always felt that
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they had the support
of the community.
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Brian Eubanks lived
in Newcomerstown with his wife.
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He had been a police officer
for about 12 years
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and was a very respected
member of his community.
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Even if you don't know
a law enforcement officer,
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they all feel
a little bit like family.
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You know,
you've all committed to these oaths.
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Only another peace officer
understands your daily struggles
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and the work that you do.
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You get that sick
feeling into your stomach.
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You almost want to tear up
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because you think of them
immediately,
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and the harm that was
caused to them,
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and what they would be
without their family.
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That's my first impression
every time I ever hear of
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an officer being shot
or an officer down.
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We all fear that call.
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We've all embraced
with our families at home,
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uh, if that ever happens,
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if the sheriff ever shows up
at your doorstep, uh...
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Emotionally, you've been set up for
that, to understand what's going on.
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Many of my earliest memories about
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listening to the news
and reading the news are about
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law enforcement officers
being killed
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when they pull somebody over
for a traffic violation,
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or somebody who's
wanted on a warrant.
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And so I feared the worst.
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When the call came in, when I was
told by dispatch what had happened,
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that there was
an officer that was shot,
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that is an all-out all-call.
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So the office here,
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surrounding agencies,
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other federal agencies,
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state agencies, local agencies,
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we had an onslaught of people
trying to come
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and requesting to come
and assist if needed.
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We were given
a description of a vehicle,
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which was a black Geo Chevy Tracker,
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and we, you know,
began to comb the area for that.
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We began searching databases
to see what would mine.
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And that's where
the community came in too,
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because almost immediately
we started getting calls.
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They issued a Blue Alert,
which means that everyone
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in the nearby community
and nearby area
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needs to be on the lookout
for somebody who is armed,
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someone who is
potentially dangerous.
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So not only were they terrified
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that a cop had just been shot,
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they were also terrified that maybe
something could happen to them.
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He's going to be capable
of shooting anybody.
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He's going to be capable
of hurting anybody else,
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if they were willing to risk
something that intense.
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There is someone
incredibly dangerous,
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at least as far as they know,
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out there, still uncaught.
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The quicker that the person
is apprehended,
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the quicker the community
can calm down
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and not be on the edge.
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When people hear that
a police officer has been shot,
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they're upset, angry, afraid.
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They'll come together
in a protective way
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and they'll want to make sure
that this person who did this
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is caught and justly punished.
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You trust the police officer,
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there's a reason
they went into law enforcement,
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that's to help people,
to keep public safety.
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So an officer that is calling in
that he's been shot,
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is not suspected in any way
that this could be a false report.
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I didn't count the cars,
but it certainly felt to me
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like every law enforcement agency
in the region
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was involved
in trying to find the shooter,
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because Officer Eubanks
gave a description
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of the vehicle, of the suspect,
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and of what was in the vehicle.
For all they knew,
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they had a crazy cop-killer
on the loose.
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They have a personal stake
for two reasons.
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One is because the victim
is one of their own,
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it's one of their co-workers,
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and two, it's because
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they need to immediately
protect the public.
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Whenever I have covered
a shooting in Newcomerstown,
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it captivates the entire population
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immediately and totally.
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It quite filled everyone's
consciousness at the time, I feel.
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The detail he gave
didn't seem terribly realistic
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of someone who'd just walked up
on a car in a traffic stop.
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We were far from being
completely suspicious of everything,
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we just thought it was odd
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that the description given
was that detailed.
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Chaz Gillilan had quite a history.
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I had a prior burglary
case with Chaz.
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I'd had an armed robbery,
invasion of a home with Chaz.
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Chaz was somebody
that law enforcement knew
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in the tri-county area.
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So, with that news breaking,
that this was Chaz Gillilan
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as being identified
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early on as the shooter,
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it spurred quite a response
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from the three sheriff's offices
in that area.
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It wasn't unrealistic at all
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to think that he might want to
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you know,
take a shot at law enforcement.
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This was a guy who had
a social-media account
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where he had posed with guns
and body armour before,
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and he was an individual
who definitely
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portrayed himself as being
the opposite of law enforcement.
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When you have a named suspect,
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and this suspect
is supposed to have taken a shot
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or tried to injure a police officer,
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it's an absolute
all-search for them.
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They're not messing around.
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They're going to do everything
in the world to go find him.
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Again, it's the emotion, right?
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It's the whole idea
that we have to protect each other.
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So emotions are going to be high.
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They're going to be doing everything
in the world to go find this guy,
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particularly if he's got
a criminal past.
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The law-enforcement response
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would have been life-threatening,
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because this person is considered
armed and dangerous.
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He's just shot a police officer.
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They're not going to go to his house
and knock politely on the door.
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They're going in, SWAT team, guns.
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They've got a dangerous person here
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who didn't care if he took
the life of a police officer.
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So it's very possible
that he could have been shot.
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The chances for things
to go wrong are unbelievable.
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All the cops are heightened;
they're anxious,
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and they want this particular guy.
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So if the person in the house
makes a wrong move,
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if he opens the door and runs,
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or does anything
to cause panic to the police,
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yeah, there's all kinds of stuff
that can happen, bad.
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We ended up locating
a home in Coshocton County,
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inside the city of Coshocton,
which is in a neighbouring county,
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and we kind of watched the house,
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just waiting.
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When the name got out
on social media,
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it turned out that the suspect
was getting phone calls himself
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that he had been named.
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He's going to be anxious,
he's going to be scared,
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because he knows now
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every cop in that area
is looking for him.
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The chances for a mistake
are increased,
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because he can be
driving down the road,
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even going to the police station,
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and if he's stopped,
the cops are going to be anxious.
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All he has to do
is make one mistake,
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chances are he could get hurt.
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He and his girlfriend
had started noticing Facebook posts,
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different posts that were
going on to social media,
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and Chaz called and reached out
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to Newcomerstown Police Department.
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At that time I was there,
and I spoke to Chaz by the phone.
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Chaz was very rattled.
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This was somebody
that I had dealt with several times.
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He told me he was coming to me,
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he wanted to speak to me personally,
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and that he was on his way.
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But cell-phone coverage
in that area between
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Coshocton and Newcomerstown
was very sketchy.
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He called me at least two times,
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with the cell phone dropping,
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telling me he was afraid
that if he ran across
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another law-enforcement officer,
that they would kill him.
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When law enforcement
thinks someone
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has shot one of their own,
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they will take
the measures necessary
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to apprehend that person.
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And I think it should be understood
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that that can be
a very volatile situation.
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The initial description
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described the suspects in the car
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and then a potential methamphetamine
lab in the back seat.
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Methamphetamine is as bad
as it gets in the drug world,
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it makes people extremely violent
and act irrationally.
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Now, you take a person who naturally
doesn't like law enforcement,
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who we know has weapons because
he posed with them on social media,
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and now is potentially
using methamphetamine,
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you're building up
about the worst-case scenario.
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And now you add
desperation and paranoia,
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maybe because he believes
law enforcement is out to get him.
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You don't expect a person like that
to just walk out and surrender.
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And that's where
the tension came from,
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and that's exactly how I felt
as we were looking.
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Him reaching out
meant a lot to me.
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When he did arrive at the
Newcomerstown Police Department,
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I escorted him in.
He was still concerned,
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on the phone with me
as he came into the lot,
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because he was still concerned
that other officers were outside.
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I'm sure he had
a vision in his head.
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Once we got him inside,
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the first thing he said to me was,
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"Detective Moore, I committed
every crime you accused me of.
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I did not commit this crime."
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I can honestly say
that from his history,
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I don't believe
he had ever cooperated with us,
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but he was quick
to cooperate this day.
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When he showed up on his own,
that was a pretty significant
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sign to us that he probably
wasn't involved,
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because he had never
responded like that before.
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It was more of a typical
cat-and-mouse:
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he committed a crime,
he fled, we had to prove it,
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he wasn't going to cooperate,
wasn't gonna help us do our job.
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So in this case, him getting to us
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with such a sense of urgency,
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that was indicative to us
that we had a problem
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as far as him being the suspect.
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That set the tone
for my interview with him.
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He was begging me
for help at that point.
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He was providing me
his cell-phone information,
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his girlfriend's
cell-phone information.
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Typically,
somebody that has committed a crime
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is about self-preservation.
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They'll give you some information,
but they won't give you everything,
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and they only want to give you
the stuff that makes them look good.
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But in this situation, it changed,
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and, uh...
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...he gave me everything
without me asking for it.
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He just handed it over to me.
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So we were able to get those
cell-phone records rather quickly.
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We were able to get them
to an FBI agent that we work with,
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and he was able to verify that
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his phone and his girlfriend's phone
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never left Coshocton County
that morning.
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Their phones
were where they said they were
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and never left.
So, while we had someone
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who was cooperating with us
who normally didn't,
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it's not as though we were
going just take his word.
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But when we were able
to validate that
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with the cell-phone information,
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we were able to clear him that day,
and that was...
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that was very important for us
to move forward.
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Once Chaz comes in
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and really officially
clears his name with his alibi,
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they are really
back to square one of,
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"Oh my God, how did this happen?
Who could have done this?"
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They really had no other
suspects in mind.
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The first thing
that I knew I was able to do
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was to speak with people who
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had lunch at a local senior centre.
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They were quite worried.
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One woman said something like,
"You know, if someone will shoot
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a police officer,
they'll shoot anyone."
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I felt what the community felt.
I felt fear and apprehension.
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But of course,
you have to go to work,
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and you can't let your fear
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overwhelm your ability
to do your duty.
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When there is a crime like this
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that really affects
the community so deeply,
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the police want to solve it
as quickly as they can.
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They want to get someone
apprehended.
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They want to make sure
that the community feels safe again.
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There was fear,
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and there was a willingness
to help if they could.
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So I think people
were paying attention.
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I think people were very
alert to what was going on.
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I think people were paying extra
attention to every car that went by,
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or to their own local school
where their kids went,
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to see who was around there.
I think there was a good amount
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of community watch going on,
where they were trying to protect
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their own community by being an
extra set of eyes and ears for us.
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This community comes together.
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I remember several people within
the community, cookies coming in.
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I remember 20 or 30 pizzas
being delivered.
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Different things where the
community outreach was immediate.
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There was water supplied.
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The immediate community
outreach was phenomenal.
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A manhunt is underway right now
for two men after a suspect
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shoots a police officer
in eastern Ohio.
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{\an8}He was sitting there, both hands
on the wheel, facing forward.
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{\an8}I had just got to the door jamb
of his vehicle before I was shot.
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{\an8}I think he was shooting
to kill me because the...
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{\an8}the gun was originally pointed
at my face and I moved,
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{\an8}and that's how
I got shot in the arm.
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{\an8}Yeah, he was trying to kill me.
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{\an8}One of the things
I would be looking for
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{\an8}is the officer's behaviour
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{\an8}in going out and giving news media
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interviews and talking
about the incident,
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and being shown with
his bandage and everything.
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There's something wrong.
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'Cause generally,
officers who have been involved
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in that type of situation,
that's the last thing in the world
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they want to talk about, because
this is a very traumatic situation.
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If you think about it,
someone is shooting at you.
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{\an8}That would have been
a red flag to me.
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The behaviour doesn't match
what he's saying happened.
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I learned the car
that Patrolman Eubanks was driving
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had the license-plate readers
on them on that morning.
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So, that was immediate
data that I wanted.
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That data was going to tell me
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the travel routes of Patrolman
Eubanks, it was going to give me
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license plates
of any vehicle he passed.
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That data was going to be phenomenal
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in helping me solve this case.
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His failure to review that
is deeply suspicious,
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in the sense that
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if he had told his colleagues that,
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they would immediately have traced
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all the other vehicles that passed
his patrol vehicle at the time.
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That would have led them
to witnesses.
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00:23:11,261 --> 00:23:14,501
Those witnesses may or may not
have seen the black Geo.
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They may or may not
have corroborated
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or contradicted Eubanks' story.
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And Eubanks must have known
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his vehicle had
a number-plate reader,
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so it makes his account
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not just not fitting together,
but suspicious.
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So, when you're
looking at a license-plate reader,
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it simply takes a photograph
of every license plate
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that comes by
at a particular location,
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and it gives a timestamp.
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So at this particular time,
this license plate
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went by this particular location.
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Well, if I have the license plate,
I can go run an NCIC check
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to determine who owns that car.
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Upon receiving the data
from the license-plate reader,
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we had Patrolman Eubanks
stopping right around 10 a.m.
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on that morning on the bridge,
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at the time of the radio stop,
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which he broadcast out
as being on a traffic stop.
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Within, like, 41 seconds,
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the first car
drives past his vehicle,
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that license plate is captured,
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and the second car comes by
another 15 seconds or so later.
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That license plate is captured,
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and 30 to 40 seconds later,
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a third car drives by
and that license plate is captured.
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And that allowed me to go
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interview these witnesses.
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And with that,
we were able to put together
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what the witnesses' accounts were,
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and that really solidified to me,
at that point,
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that, uh...
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the way this case had been reported
was not truthful.
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Even the injury to his arm
did not...
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it was a very minor injury.
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It was not consistent
with what had been reported.
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Nobody saw what was
described by Brian,
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and that becomes a real issue.
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Brian's story is that
there was another car there
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and that's how he got shot,
449
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but nobody else saw it.
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That means there is
a real discrepancy
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between what he's saying,
which they're already suspecting,
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because it's overly detailed,
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and what's being
reported by witnesses.
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Nobody has seen this vehicle,
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so now we have to take
another step back
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and say, "OK, wait a minute.
Something's wrong.
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Now we have to go back
and look at it again.
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We may have to go back and talk
to the officer again and say,
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'Wait a minute, something's wrong,
because it's not panning out.'"
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When we are confronted
with an incident like this,
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even for a police officer,
this would be a traumatic incident,
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your memory does not
retain information
463
00:25:43,981 --> 00:25:45,981
in a that simple and coherent way.
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He revealed all this stuff
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almost right at the outset.
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So that, in itself,
is potentially quite suspicious.
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When people reveal lots of detail
very quickly, without prompting,
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00:26:00,061 --> 00:26:02,701
it can indicate that they're lying.
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They're trying
to control the narrative.
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They're trying to control
what everybody thinks about it,
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00:26:07,741 --> 00:26:10,301
and they are so confident
472
00:26:10,461 --> 00:26:12,621
of the way they phrase things
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that everyone will buy into it.
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Pretty early on, I had suspicions.
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Those original descriptions
were problematic for me,
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being just too detailed.
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And then there's two thoughts.
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One is, if I begin to believe
that this did not happen,
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then I start to put weight
on my own shoulders,
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where it's extremely
important for us
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to prove that and prosecute it
for being made up.
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The flip side of that is,
no matter what I did
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or what our office did
to investigate this correctly,
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there's going to be
a segment of the community
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who trusts law enforcement
just a little bit less now
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because of something like this.
And that's where the real blow is.
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00:26:55,381 --> 00:26:57,781
When you're
dealing with an officer like that,
488
00:26:57,941 --> 00:27:00,901
and you've come to not believe him,
this is very difficult.
489
00:27:01,061 --> 00:27:03,021
Police officers are very close,
490
00:27:03,181 --> 00:27:06,781
this is the old brotherhood,
and it's... it is real.
491
00:27:06,941 --> 00:27:09,701
We try to protect each other,
because when you're out on the road,
492
00:27:09,861 --> 00:27:12,301
when you're working,
that's all we have, is each other.
493
00:27:12,461 --> 00:27:14,021
So when you make a determination,
494
00:27:14,181 --> 00:27:16,381
when you start looking
and you're realising that
495
00:27:16,541 --> 00:27:18,741
this police officer's
not telling the truth,
496
00:27:18,901 --> 00:27:21,461
there's something wrong,
that's a big step.
497
00:27:23,221 --> 00:27:25,421
One of the reasons police are close
498
00:27:25,581 --> 00:27:28,261
is that they depend on each other
to watch my back.
499
00:27:28,421 --> 00:27:31,261
I need to know that you have
integrity, that you're honest,
500
00:27:31,421 --> 00:27:32,941
that you will be there.
501
00:27:33,101 --> 00:27:34,941
If that starts to crumble
502
00:27:35,101 --> 00:27:37,901
in one of the people
you're counting on,
503
00:27:38,061 --> 00:27:41,501
who you may like
and be friends with,
504
00:27:41,661 --> 00:27:45,581
and you start to realise
he's telling lies,
505
00:27:45,741 --> 00:27:48,341
that's pretty devastating
for officers,
506
00:27:48,501 --> 00:27:51,741
especially a tight-knit unit
in a small town.
507
00:27:53,781 --> 00:27:56,381
So the picture had built,
and I did understand
508
00:27:56,541 --> 00:27:58,701
what I was looking at
at that point in time,
509
00:27:58,861 --> 00:28:01,501
and I knew I was about to
accuse a cop
510
00:28:01,661 --> 00:28:04,181
of shooting himself
and making this up.
511
00:28:04,341 --> 00:28:06,821
So I had to be 1,000% right.
512
00:28:06,981 --> 00:28:09,821
I could not have
any judgment and err.
513
00:28:09,981 --> 00:28:12,061
The only other person in the county
514
00:28:12,221 --> 00:28:15,181
that knew my thought process
was Sheriff Campbell.
515
00:28:15,341 --> 00:28:18,301
It became an issue
of attempting to get the officer
516
00:28:18,461 --> 00:28:20,621
to come in here for an interview
517
00:28:20,781 --> 00:28:23,341
and not necessarily let him know
518
00:28:23,501 --> 00:28:26,621
that we no longer
believed his story at all.
519
00:28:26,781 --> 00:28:29,301
So that's a little more
complicated than normal.
520
00:28:29,461 --> 00:28:32,381
This is a guy who already
knows about police interviews,
521
00:28:32,541 --> 00:28:36,461
he knows about tactics
and things like that.
522
00:28:36,621 --> 00:28:39,021
We also likely knew
that there was really one chance
523
00:28:39,181 --> 00:28:40,821
we were going to have
at this interview.
524
00:28:40,981 --> 00:28:42,901
This officer knew what the law was,
525
00:28:43,061 --> 00:28:47,461
and he knew that if he didn't want
to speak to us, he didn't have to.
526
00:28:47,621 --> 00:28:49,541
And if we didn't get this admission,
527
00:28:49,701 --> 00:28:53,021
you know, from him, that, you know,
528
00:28:53,181 --> 00:28:55,181
that we likely were never going to.
529
00:30:20,421 --> 00:30:22,501
{\an8}As the interview
is starting to unfold,
530
00:30:22,661 --> 00:30:25,381
{\an8}he realised that I was accusing him.
531
00:30:25,541 --> 00:30:29,021
{\an8}So I ended my part of my interview
at that point in time
532
00:30:29,181 --> 00:30:31,941
and he ultimately wanted
to speak with Chief Holland
533
00:30:32,101 --> 00:30:34,021
and then spoke with the Sheriff.
534
00:30:35,141 --> 00:30:38,301
Every profession
has some sort of expertise.
535
00:30:38,461 --> 00:30:40,221
The thing with an investigator is,
536
00:30:40,381 --> 00:30:42,901
it's an intangible
that's tough to articulate,
537
00:30:43,061 --> 00:30:45,061
but we become very good
538
00:30:45,221 --> 00:30:47,741
at understanding truthful people
539
00:30:47,901 --> 00:30:50,061
versus people who are
not being truthful.
540
00:30:50,221 --> 00:30:51,541
Sometimes it's difficult.
541
00:30:51,701 --> 00:30:54,141
People think there are
these obvious signs
542
00:30:54,301 --> 00:30:55,981
of someone being deceptive,
543
00:30:56,141 --> 00:30:58,981
and sometimes there are,
but many times there's not.
544
00:30:59,141 --> 00:31:02,781
The only way you can learn whether
someone's being deceptive or not
545
00:31:02,941 --> 00:31:05,781
is interviewing them enough
when they're not being deceptive,
546
00:31:05,941 --> 00:31:07,221
to see what's normal for them,
547
00:31:07,381 --> 00:31:09,501
and then see when they get
away from that.
548
00:31:09,661 --> 00:31:12,101
You know,
it's kind of a behavioural analysis.
549
00:32:29,461 --> 00:32:32,821
Once you believe
that someone's guilty,
550
00:32:32,981 --> 00:32:35,101
I think at that point
it becomes a battle of
551
00:32:35,261 --> 00:32:38,581
they think they just
have to keep denying it.
552
00:32:38,741 --> 00:32:41,501
But when they can see on your face
that you're not buying any of it,
553
00:32:41,661 --> 00:32:43,821
that's very defeating to them,
554
00:32:43,981 --> 00:32:46,581
where they no longer think they're
convincing you of their lies.
555
00:32:46,741 --> 00:32:48,221
I think that's what he saw.
556
00:32:48,381 --> 00:32:51,461
I think he realised
that the gig was up in our mind,
557
00:32:51,621 --> 00:32:55,301
and that I had decided that day that
this case wasn't going any further;
558
00:32:55,461 --> 00:32:57,821
that we were going to
get this out to the community,
559
00:32:57,981 --> 00:33:00,101
that this didn't take place,
whether he admitted it or not.
560
00:33:00,261 --> 00:33:02,581
Hey, Bryan, come on.
561
00:33:14,381 --> 00:33:16,661
Officer Eubanks
was interviewed initially
562
00:33:16,821 --> 00:33:19,941
and he denied the allegations,
563
00:33:20,101 --> 00:33:23,301
and he gave some statements
that weren't terribly believable,
564
00:33:23,461 --> 00:33:25,501
but had denial.
565
00:33:25,661 --> 00:33:27,301
He ended that interview
with Detective Moore,
566
00:33:27,461 --> 00:33:30,101
and we put him in a conference room
567
00:33:30,261 --> 00:33:32,581
and I spoke to him briefly,
568
00:33:32,741 --> 00:33:35,341
and that wasn't part
of an official interview,
569
00:33:35,501 --> 00:33:37,421
that was just
a conversation with him,
570
00:33:37,581 --> 00:33:39,141
because I was trying to determine
571
00:33:39,301 --> 00:33:41,941
how I was going to
move the case forward;
572
00:33:42,101 --> 00:33:44,781
whether I was going to arrest him
or what I was going to do.
573
00:33:44,941 --> 00:33:48,101
But I think he could tell by
the fact that I wasn't allowing him
574
00:33:48,261 --> 00:33:51,981
to just walk out,
that he... we didn't believe him.
575
00:33:53,341 --> 00:33:56,301
After those conversations,
he came back in
576
00:33:56,461 --> 00:34:00,501
and provided me a further interview.
577
00:35:34,301 --> 00:35:36,581
He used self-preservation
578
00:35:36,741 --> 00:35:40,701
and made up a story
that was not believable,
579
00:35:40,861 --> 00:35:44,261
but he did admit
that he had shot himself.
580
00:35:45,501 --> 00:35:47,341
He reported to me
in the interview that
581
00:35:47,501 --> 00:35:49,061
he thought he was losing his mind.
582
00:35:49,221 --> 00:35:51,021
I did not buy that.
583
00:35:51,661 --> 00:35:53,621
There was no truth to his statement.
584
00:35:53,781 --> 00:35:56,741
He has a history of other issues,
585
00:35:56,901 --> 00:35:58,581
involving financial issues
586
00:35:58,741 --> 00:36:01,501
marital issues, adulterous issues,
587
00:36:01,661 --> 00:36:04,221
and with those,
anything that he says
588
00:36:04,381 --> 00:36:07,021
becomes unlikely to be true.
589
00:36:08,261 --> 00:36:11,621
Even his description
that he actually meant
590
00:36:11,781 --> 00:36:14,181
to physically harm himself
and commit suicide
591
00:36:14,341 --> 00:36:17,861
did not line up with his description
of how that occurred
592
00:36:18,021 --> 00:36:20,301
versus the injury on his arm.
593
00:36:20,461 --> 00:36:22,341
There's nothing logical,
594
00:36:22,501 --> 00:36:25,301
and when somebody
is not being logical,
595
00:36:25,461 --> 00:36:29,301
you know sooner or later,
if you tell enough lies,
596
00:36:29,461 --> 00:36:31,541
the lies will catch up to you.
597
00:36:31,701 --> 00:36:35,581
And he was leading
a life of numerous lies.
598
00:36:35,741 --> 00:36:38,541
He could have done it
to be able to receive
599
00:36:38,701 --> 00:36:42,061
financial compensation
from his injuries
600
00:36:42,221 --> 00:36:43,821
so he wouldn't have to work again.
601
00:36:43,981 --> 00:36:49,141
He could have done it
for notoriety and for sympathy.
602
00:36:49,301 --> 00:36:51,421
And he could have done it
603
00:36:51,581 --> 00:36:53,741
just because
he wanted the attention.
604
00:36:54,501 --> 00:36:56,741
Unless Mr Eubanks tells us
605
00:36:56,901 --> 00:37:00,701
why he did what he did,
we will never know.
606
00:37:16,701 --> 00:37:19,821
I was elated that we at least
had an admission.
607
00:37:19,981 --> 00:37:23,181
I know that the case is solved,
and as with all cases,
608
00:37:23,341 --> 00:37:26,461
when they're solved,
that is a relief.
609
00:37:26,621 --> 00:37:28,901
There aren't very many
cases in a county like this
610
00:37:29,061 --> 00:37:31,061
where we hold a press conference,
611
00:37:31,221 --> 00:37:34,421
but this is one that had taken off
as big news in the state.
612
00:37:34,581 --> 00:37:37,181
And we did
a press conference explaining
613
00:37:37,341 --> 00:37:38,861
that the individual had made it up,
614
00:37:39,021 --> 00:37:42,141
and I think that was
a big relief to the community.
615
00:37:42,301 --> 00:37:43,821
I really do.
616
00:37:45,141 --> 00:37:47,221
When the news came out
that he was charged
617
00:37:47,381 --> 00:37:50,781
with doing this to himself
and had lied about it,
618
00:37:50,941 --> 00:37:53,061
people just couldn't believe it.
619
00:37:53,221 --> 00:37:56,701
I mean, why on earth would he
do something like this to himself,
620
00:37:56,861 --> 00:38:01,061
and why would he have
the whole town up in arms over it?
621
00:38:02,061 --> 00:38:05,501
I think people felt
they had been betrayed.
622
00:38:05,661 --> 00:38:08,661
It's a community
where people trust each other.
623
00:38:08,821 --> 00:38:12,381
They are in contact
with each other a lot.
624
00:38:12,541 --> 00:38:13,901
They went to school together.
625
00:38:14,061 --> 00:38:15,421
They intermarry.
626
00:38:15,581 --> 00:38:17,781
Their friends become
their family members.
627
00:38:17,941 --> 00:38:21,701
Their cousins serve
on village council with them,
628
00:38:21,861 --> 00:38:24,781
and I think to them
this felt like a betrayal.
629
00:38:25,541 --> 00:38:28,501
We all have choices
we get to make in life.
630
00:38:28,661 --> 00:38:32,341
Whether you make the right choice
or the wrong choice is up to you.
631
00:38:32,501 --> 00:38:35,741
And if you choose to be a bad actor,
632
00:38:35,901 --> 00:38:38,021
if you choose to lie,
633
00:38:38,181 --> 00:38:40,941
if you choose to be deceitful,
that's on you.
634
00:38:41,101 --> 00:38:44,101
What that punishment is at the end
of the day, that's not my problem.
635
00:38:44,261 --> 00:38:47,141
But you will, sooner or later,
636
00:38:47,301 --> 00:38:49,781
trying to cover up enough lies,
637
00:38:49,941 --> 00:38:51,221
it will backfire.
638
00:38:51,381 --> 00:38:53,021
The case was eventually scheduled
639
00:38:53,181 --> 00:38:54,861
before the Tuscarawas County
grand jury.
640
00:38:55,021 --> 00:38:57,101
He was charged with
making up this story,
641
00:38:57,261 --> 00:38:59,701
which is a crime,
and then later convicted.
642
00:38:59,861 --> 00:39:01,901
His sentence
was just local jail time.
643
00:39:02,061 --> 00:39:05,301
It ended his career forever
in law enforcement.
644
00:39:05,461 --> 00:39:08,421
He's banned in Ohio from ever being
a peace officer again.
645
00:39:08,581 --> 00:39:10,541
I think that's something
that had to happen,
646
00:39:10,701 --> 00:39:12,541
but I think nobody really wins.
647
00:39:12,701 --> 00:39:15,061
You know, what's the saddest thing
648
00:39:15,221 --> 00:39:19,181
about this particular case
is gonna be the public perception.
649
00:39:19,341 --> 00:39:21,781
The public has been alarmed
because one of their police officers
650
00:39:21,941 --> 00:39:23,261
is supposedly shot.
651
00:39:23,421 --> 00:39:25,581
They've gone through
all this emotional trauma.
652
00:39:25,741 --> 00:39:27,301
They've tried to help out,
to do everything,
653
00:39:27,461 --> 00:39:30,021
and now they find out
that it's a lie.
654
00:39:30,181 --> 00:39:32,061
The public is going to be...
655
00:39:32,221 --> 00:39:34,101
they're going to go
from being supportive
656
00:39:34,261 --> 00:39:37,301
to being awfully upset
over what exactly happened.
657
00:39:37,461 --> 00:39:39,461
And what makes it even harder
in this particular case
658
00:39:39,621 --> 00:39:41,501
is the fact that it's a small town,
659
00:39:41,661 --> 00:39:43,581
so everybody knows everybody.
660
00:39:43,741 --> 00:39:45,501
And he's been there for 12 years.
661
00:39:45,661 --> 00:39:47,741
He's probably had
a really good reputation,
662
00:39:47,901 --> 00:39:50,221
which is why the public
is probably upset.
663
00:39:50,381 --> 00:39:52,581
And now they find out that...
664
00:39:52,741 --> 00:39:55,821
that is wrong,
their perceptions were wrong.
665
00:39:55,981 --> 00:39:58,541
Yeah, so it's going to be
very difficult for a while.
666
00:39:58,701 --> 00:40:01,341
Mr Eubanks' actions
667
00:40:01,501 --> 00:40:04,021
erode public trust,
668
00:40:04,181 --> 00:40:07,381
because as a law-enforcement officer
669
00:40:07,541 --> 00:40:10,661
we expect him to have
a higher integrity.
670
00:40:10,821 --> 00:40:13,101
We expect them to act with honesty,
671
00:40:13,261 --> 00:40:15,581
and when the public
hears about something like this,
672
00:40:15,741 --> 00:40:19,981
it essentially erodes trust
in all police officers.
673
00:40:20,141 --> 00:40:23,341
There may be 100 good ones
and one bad one,
674
00:40:23,501 --> 00:40:25,981
but he tarnishes the reputation
675
00:40:26,141 --> 00:40:29,181
of police officers everywhere
by doing this.
676
00:40:29,341 --> 00:40:32,741
I mean, it was a big blow
for the police department
677
00:40:32,901 --> 00:40:36,901
once Bryan admitted
that he did this to himself.
678
00:40:37,061 --> 00:40:39,021
The community had a hard time
trusting them again.
679
00:40:39,181 --> 00:40:41,661
I mean, not only did he
680
00:40:41,821 --> 00:40:45,101
set everyone into a state of fear,
681
00:40:45,261 --> 00:40:47,981
hunting down one of their
community members,
682
00:40:48,141 --> 00:40:51,501
they're worried that maybe
that could happen to them.
683
00:40:51,661 --> 00:40:54,581
There's going to be
a segment of the population
684
00:40:54,741 --> 00:40:57,541
who's always going to think a little
bit less of law enforcement,
685
00:40:57,701 --> 00:41:00,541
or if another law-enforcement
officer reports being shot at,
686
00:41:00,701 --> 00:41:02,981
they'll bring this case up,
and it might affect
687
00:41:03,141 --> 00:41:05,741
whether they believe them,
whether they wholeheartedly
688
00:41:05,901 --> 00:41:08,221
try to help like they did
in the Eubanks case.
689
00:41:08,381 --> 00:41:12,141
A local newspaper
had done a story about my first year
690
00:41:12,301 --> 00:41:14,101
and had said how, in the first year,
691
00:41:14,261 --> 00:41:16,621
it may not have been the biggest
case, because there were murders,
692
00:41:16,781 --> 00:41:19,621
it may have been the most important
case, because I think that
693
00:41:19,781 --> 00:41:23,941
showing the community that we will
hold our own people accountable,
694
00:41:24,101 --> 00:41:26,341
just like we want to hold others,
695
00:41:26,501 --> 00:41:28,741
I think that's really important.
696
00:41:29,621 --> 00:41:31,781
I don't think that Mr Eubanks
697
00:41:31,941 --> 00:41:36,741
realised the ripple effect
of his actions.
698
00:41:36,901 --> 00:41:38,941
The consequences
weren't just for him.
699
00:41:39,101 --> 00:41:41,541
He put a lot of people in danger.
700
00:41:41,701 --> 00:41:43,261
The suspect he named,
701
00:41:43,421 --> 00:41:45,621
that person could have
ended up being shot,
702
00:41:45,781 --> 00:41:49,141
because this person now
basically has a bounty on them
703
00:41:49,301 --> 00:41:51,621
for shooting the police officer.
704
00:41:51,781 --> 00:41:55,501
That could have happened.
He caused statewide panic
705
00:41:55,661 --> 00:41:58,501
and a misuse of resources.
706
00:41:59,621 --> 00:42:01,901
You know,
for a small bullet wound,
707
00:42:02,061 --> 00:42:04,221
it certainly caused
a lot of commotion.
708
00:42:05,381 --> 00:42:07,701
This officer
was playing on the emotions
709
00:42:07,861 --> 00:42:10,661
of every other officer
that's out there...
710
00:42:12,021 --> 00:42:14,141
...because every single officer
was thinking,
711
00:42:14,301 --> 00:42:16,581
"There, but for the grace of God,
go I."
712
00:42:16,741 --> 00:42:18,701
That somebody else
could have shot me.
713
00:42:18,861 --> 00:42:22,101
Now, what would happen to my family?
What would happen to my kids?
714
00:42:22,261 --> 00:42:24,541
So he put the entire
police department,
715
00:42:24,701 --> 00:42:26,781
probably within that entire state,
716
00:42:26,941 --> 00:42:28,941
through that, because now
every single one of them
717
00:42:29,101 --> 00:42:31,461
are going to have to judge whether
they're doing the right thing,
718
00:42:31,621 --> 00:42:33,701
is the right job for them.
719
00:43:03,781 --> 00:43:05,981
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