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[upbeat Motown music]
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Ms. Ross,
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Diana,
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"The Boss."
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- The camera loved her.
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The mic loved her.
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From being the queen of Motown-
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- That group is so ubiquitous and so powerful
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that when the Beatles come
to America for the first time,
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they wanna meet The Supremes.
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- to taking on the world stage,
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this supreme diva has sold
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over 100 million records worldwide.
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Her career has spanned decades,
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attracting generation after
generation of loyal fans
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- Diana Ross was glamorous.
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She was able to do that for us Black women.
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She showed us how to do it.
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Big hair,
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sequins,
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scandals, and sensational performances.
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Diana really did turn the world upside down.
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- People think of Diana as like the ultimate diva.
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Recording star, a TV star, a movie star.
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[camera clicking]
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- She just becomes this phenomenon.
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[film reel clicking] [slow music]
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Diana was born in Detroit, Michigan
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on March 26th, 1944.
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Detroit is a city in Midwestern America
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that was known as the "Motor City."
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- Though Diana grew up in Detroit,
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for a brief period she was in Alabama
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where her mother had TB,
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and she was relocated there and lived with her aunt.
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And when she came back,
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she lived in the Brewster Housing Project.
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- Most Black people are working class then,
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so we are in what's called "the ghetto."
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So we live in areas, I was born in one,
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where the whole district was red lined by banks.
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So even if you had the money as a Black person,
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you couldn't get a mortgage, you couldn't get a loan.
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White people started moving out of the areas.
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The services were kind of diminished,
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and it was just Black people
living in dire conditions,
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rat-infested, poor sanitation, all of that.
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So that's how the ghetto was.
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Although many minorities have good jobs,
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vast numbers still do not have an equal opportunity.
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When Diana was younger,
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she had an interest in being a fashion designer.
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She took various classes
and textiles and clothing design.
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She would take modeling and cosmetology classes
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in the evenings.
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Diana had a Baptist upbringing.
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She would begin singing in the gospel choir
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alongside her family.
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- I grew up in Chicago on the south side,
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so Detroit and Chicago, Philadelphia,
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these places were kind of the reciprocal cities
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for the great migration after World War I.
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When people left, technically,
they were plantations,
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but they weren't, left the
south to migrate to the north
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to work in the cities, to work in the factories,
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and what they brought with them
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was their tradition of church.
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And so you bring this to the north as a kind of solace,
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as a way to connect and stay connected to your roots,
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but also as a way to keep communicating to God.
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Black people were working in the factories
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under really not great conditions.
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They were discriminated against.
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They were in competition with other ethnic groups
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like the Irish and the Poles.
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And then you had the racism,
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which still exists, of the police.
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So therefore, the church becomes this great solace,
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this place where you can gather
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and not be busted by the cops
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or harassed by, you know, people who hate you.
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And you can sing to the Redeemer, to God.
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Berry Gordy was the son of one of the workers
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who came to Detroit during the great migration.
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Berry himself would grow up to work
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as a car manufacturer in the city.
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In the 50s, four out of five cars were made in the USA,
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with Detroit as the prosperous center of this.
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[film reel clicking] [upbeat music]
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And Detroit put the world on wheels.
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In one generation,
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these and other names created
America's number one industry,
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birthplace of the production line,
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and the unheard of idea that everybody can ride.
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Vision with know-how, that's Detroit.
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Berry and Diana would both be dreamers,
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both envision bigger things for their lives.
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In somewhere like the Detroit housing projects,
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the odds of success and stardom were stacked
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against children like Diana.
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Back then, glamor and luxury were something
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that would be seen only on television.
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- My generation was the first generation
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of kids with screens.
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We were glued to this huge
thing in the middle of the room
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called the television.
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We were raised by television.
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We were plopped down in front of television.
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Television, television, television.
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I'm sure Diana Ross saw these too,
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where these movies started being released
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from archives of 20th Century
Fox, Metro, Warner Brothers,
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these incredibly glamorous movies.
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Jean Harlow, Betty Davis, incredible, Ingrid Bergman.
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We saw these things on TV
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with our milk and cookies as little girls,
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and it was like, "my God, they're gorgeous!"
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So I'm looking at TV,
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looking at these glorious,
glamorous stuff, and so is she.
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We weren't thinking about,
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"Where's the black version of it?"
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but Berry Gordy was thinking of it.
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And so how do you encompass
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that generational feeling into a product?
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And so he invents Motown.
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[upbeat music]
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Motown was a record label started by Gordy
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in a modest two-story home in Detroit.
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Its studio was called Hitsville USA.
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- Well, Berry Gordy was like
an entrepreneur, a music man.
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He created Motown Records,
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which is an incredibly influential record label.
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- It's short for Motor City,
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'cause all the cars were made in Detroit,
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so he called it Motown.
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Its unique approach to creating songs
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was described as factory-like.
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Gordy was inspired by the
fast methods of production
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in Detroit's motor industry.
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Artists at Motown would
often go on long tours together,
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return to Detroit to record
as many songs as possible,
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then go back on tour for weeks on end.
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The Hitsville Studios were active 22 hours a day.
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The aim was to generate
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as many chart topping hits as they could.
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- That was called the "hit machine."
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So that was the job, okay, period.
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Motown was known for its
rigorous schools of etiquette.
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How the acts presented and
carried themselves was paramount.
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The label had a unique in-house finishing school,
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which was run by Maxine Powell.
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Diana will call her,
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"The person who taught me everything I know."
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Like Diana, many of the talented Motown artists
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had grown up in the projects.
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It was Maxine's job to teach these young people
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to carry themselves like royalty.
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The visual style and choreography of Motown acts
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would become an iconic signifier of the label.
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- It was this idea that they would be as good as,
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if not better, than the
comparable white acts of the day.
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The presentation was always immaculate.
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The choreography was always perfect.
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The hair was always, you know, pristinely done.
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It was a big part of the Motown factory.
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- Motown records contributed
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to Detroit's rich urban tapestry in the 1960s
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as the city became the backdrop to Diana's
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and many others' careers.
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So you've got these really slick,
beautiful guys, like The Temptations.
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You got Marvin Gaye, and you get a girl group.
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You have to have a girl group.
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- Paul Williams, who was one of the,
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who later became one of The Temptations,
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was in a group called The Primes,
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and their manager wanted
to have a female counterpart,
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and so the idea of The Primettes were born,
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The Primettes were made up of Diana Ross,
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Mary Wilson, Florence Ballard,
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and Paul Williams' girlfriend, Betty McGlown.
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They were a group of starry-eyed teens
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who had grown up in Detroit.
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- So by the late 50s,
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The Primettes were quite known in Detroit.
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And so Diana called up Smokey, an old friend of hers.
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They dated when they were kids.
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Smokey was already a big star
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with The Miracles on Motown Records.
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Diana pestered Smokey to get them an audition
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with Motown Records.
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And eventually,
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they auditioned acapella in front of Berry Gordy.
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But he thought they were too
young, so he didn't sign them.
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But it didn't stop them, especially Diana,
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'cause Diana's always been
known for that absolute focus
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and ambition and drive.
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The group would begin to hang out at Motown HQ.
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They would offer their assistance on tracks,
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whether it be clapping, backing vocals,
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or playing the tambourine.
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- Eventually, by 1961, Berry gave in and signed them.
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But not as The Primettes. He
wanted to change their name.
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Florence Ballad actually
chose the name, The Supremes.
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Soon Betty would leave The Supremes to get engaged.
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She was promptly replaced with Barbara Martin,
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who in turn got engaged and left the group.
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The Supremes continued as a
trio made up of Florence, Mary,
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and of course, Diana.
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- This group, this girl group,
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this super group who were glamorous,
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they were glorious looking.
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The hair, the sequence, plus they sang like angels.
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So it was all perfect.
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- Motown was trying to get them a hit for years.
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It took about three years
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before The Supremes had their first hit.
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They were known as the "no-hit Supremes,"
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because they kept putting
record out after record out
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and nothing was happening.
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They weren't catching fire.
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However, this all changed in 1964
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with their first number one, "Where Did Our Love Go."
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[upbeat Motown music]
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- Diana Ross was glamorous, but she was down to earth.
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We could hear in her voice
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those sort of same southern resonances
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that were in the voices around us.
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It was the pitch of her voice, which was,
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when I think about it now, extremely interesting,
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because it was high pitched, it was...
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it was girly.
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The success of "Where Did Our Love Go"
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was followed by four consecutive US number ones,
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including hits like "Stop in the Name of Love"
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and "Baby Love."
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[upbeat Motown music]
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They were no longer the "no-hit Supremes."
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The group's popularity was exploding.
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[upbeat Motown music]
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The Supremes would tour across America,
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and then all over the world.
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[upbeat Motown music continues]
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[traffic noises] [horn honks]
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[cameras clicking]
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The Motown sound was growing and growing.
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The rise of The Supremes coincided
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with the rise of television.
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They would appear on "The Ed Sullivan Show."
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- They were a crossover group,
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maybe the first Black crossover group
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because they were on this show
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called "The Ed Sullivan Show," which was a variety show.
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The Beatles were on that show as well.
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I mean, he broke all these groups.
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These were people we were listening to on radio
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who suddenly were on this mainstream
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eight or nine o'clock in the
evening, Sunday night show.
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Big deal. Big, big, big deal.
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- I think you can't underestimate
how powerful the image
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of these three immaculately dressed women
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appearing on television.
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Three Black women that represented
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this sort of aspirational glamor,
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this potential to be seen,
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to be someone, to be a kind of a superstar.
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That really had an impact.
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- When I think about it now,
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it was so flawlessly spot on in terms of marketing,
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in terms of understanding, you know, my generation,
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Their television appearances were a key part
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of their rise to mainstream fame.
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People could tune in and see them.
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And previously, you know, on television,
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you wouldn't really see these representations
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of Black people.
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[upbeat Motown music]
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In the 1940s and 50s,
America was racially segregated.
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Montgomery, Alabama in 1955
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was the beginning.
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In the heart of the deep south.
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Montgomery's traditional pattern of segregation
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touched all forms of the city's life.
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The long frustration
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which this produced in its negro citizens
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erupted when a colored seamstress riding in a bus
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refused to honor the
traditions of segregated seating.
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From this incident,
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grew a protest movement headed by Dr. King,
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then an obscure pastor of a
Baptist church in Montgomery.
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The 1960s represented a change
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in race relations in the US.
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[gospel singing]
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On August 28th, 1963,
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200,000 Americans came to Washington
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to demand complete freedom for everyone.
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This is the story... Motown was significant
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for being a Black-owned corporation
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that had a place in the mainstream.
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- I think socially, Motown,
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The Supremes contributed
a lot to the social movement
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of Black people in America.
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First of all, prior to that,
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you had to drink out of water fountains that said,
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"For colored only," or "For white only."
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And if you were caught
drinking out of a white, you know,
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you could be hung or whatever.
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I think that our music really came along
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at the right time socially.
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So it helped the world to see
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that Black people were beautiful.
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Its songs were written for universal audiences.
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They had a simple immediacy that made them hits.
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- And music is kind of like an ambassador.
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It brings people together, you know? It really does.
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No matter what language you speak, no matter what,
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music makes you happy.
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It's always been that way throughout the years.
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The Supremes were a crossover group
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in the truest sense of the term,
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capturing white and Black audiences equally.
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They became a symbol of changing race relations
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and the breaking of racial barriers.
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- That group is so ubiquitous and so powerful
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that when the Beatles come
to America for the first time,
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they wanna meet The Supremes.
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Their high visibility as talented, glamorous,
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successful Black women had a
groundbreaking cultural impact.
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- You know, the big role models are Audrey Hepburn,
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Twiggy, Jackie Kennedy,
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and then comes Diana Ross,
who can do all of those things,
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look like that.
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She can do the hair, she can do the body,
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she can do all of these things,
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but she can also sing, which is what they can't do.
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We were also as Black girls looking at Vogue.
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Diana Ross had to actually be an embodiment of that.
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She was able to do that for us Black women.
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She showed us how to do it.
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Diana and fashion was always interlinked.
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I mean, you look at The Supremes,
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them all wearing identical gowns and outfits.
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It was always very kind of pristine and elegant
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and sophisticated and high fashion.
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Diana Ross's hair locks alone
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is a whole sort of thesis in itself.
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- She just becomes this phenomenon.
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From the outside,
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The Supremes appear to be unstoppable,
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but underneath the diamond encrusted gowns
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and fastidiously groomed hair,
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cracks within the group were starting to show.
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- As The Supremes got bigger,
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and Diana being the leader of The Supremes,
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the media were much more interested in Diana
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than the other girls.
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So she always became the focus.
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When they were doing a photo shoot
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or a TV interview, everyone wanted to speak to Diana.
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And inevitably, tensions and jealousies arose
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because of that.
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[camera clicking]
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Berry Gordy's relationship with Diana
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had always been different
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to how he interacted with the other girls.
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During the 60s,
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Diana and Berry would engage
in a romantic relationship.
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Barry would father Diana's first child, Rhonda.
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- Berry's interest in Diana
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became a bit difficult for the other girls.
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He saw her star power.
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[pensive music]
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The camera loved her, the mic loved her.
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You know, she had this crystal clear
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but strong voice that just cut through on the radio,
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and was the perfect sort of vehicle
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for the kind of crossover pop
records that he was making.
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When you watch those clips,
those old clips of The Supremes,
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your eye always immediately goes to Diana
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because she has that charisma.
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She has that kind of thousand watts star power
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just beaming out of her.
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You can't take your eyes off her.
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- In 1967, after increasing problems
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with alcohol and depression,
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Florence Ballard was dismissed from the group.
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[somber music]
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She would be swiftly replaced with Cindy Birdsong,
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a member of Patti LaBelle and the Blue Belles.
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Florence Ballard's leaving
spelt the beginning of the end
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for The Supremes in their current form.
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- By the late 60s, by 1967,
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Berry made the decision to
change the name of the group
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to Diana Ross and The Supremes.
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- We did begin to see that she
was starting to be inched out
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of the three of them.
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- And they carried on and Cindy joined.
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But the tensions didn't go away,
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because by this point, you know,
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she was having a relationship with Berry as well,
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and she was having a very separate life
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from the other girls.
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They would do TV specials,
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and often in the show, Diana
will be doing solo numbers,
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or Diana will be doing a duet with Sammy Davis
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or with Diane Schuur,
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whoever was the big star of the day,
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it was really the Diana Ross
Show co-starring The Supremes.
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So it was inevitable that the band would break up
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and that she would go solo.
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Then the name change of the group fueled rumors
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that Diana was being primed for a solo career.
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In 1970, The Supremes would perform their last show
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with Diana in the lineup.
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It was time for Diana to go solo.
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- I think she went solo in 1970
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because the business had changed.
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This whole kind of soul group thing
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probably was coming to an end.
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Also, it was the era of the
singer songwriters, solo woman,
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you know, women like Carole King.
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So it was quite prescient of
whoever decided to put Diana
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as herself as a solo act,
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because that's what we were listening to.
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We were listening to solo singers.
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[upbeat music]
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She was the only woman, woman of color, Black woman,
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who was doing that in the mainstream at that time.
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- There was no guarantees you would become a megastar.
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And in fact, in the early years
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of Diana's solo career in the early 70s,
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The Supremes, who carried on on their own,
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they were still having hits,
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and they were doing pretty well.
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And Diana's first single "Reach Out And Touch,"
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wasn't the huge hit that they expected it to be.
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It just got into the top 20, but it wasn't mega.
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There was another track on the album,
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"Ain't no Mountain High
Enough" that DJs started playing.
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It was such a brilliant vehicle for Diana
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because it centered her voice.
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It was like she was whispering in your ear.
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And the majority
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of the "Ain't no Mountain High Enough" record
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is her speaking.
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And it slowly builds and builds.
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It's kind of dramatic, climactic moment in the record.
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[upbeat music]
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And that was what really put her on the map,
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actually, that record.
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It was her first number one.
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- Killer hit, massive hit, and it made perfect sense.
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- Diana's musical career in the 70s was interesting
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because she had sort of like a big hit,
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then some little hits, another big hit.
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So it was kind of up and down.
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But every couple of years,
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Berry made sure she had an amazing record
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that broke through, and then
she'd have a number one smash.
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So she had "Ain't no Mountain High Enough,"
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couple of years later, she had this amazing ballad
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called "Touch Me in the Morning," another number one.
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When Diana goes solo in the 70s,
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she comes into her own really,
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in terms of fashion, I think, and it really goes,
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if she's already reached the top,
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then she goes over the top.
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You know, it is the sort of the Bob Mackie gowns
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and the sort of sequined cat bodysuits,
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and those kind of things.
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So that's what Diana really becomes associated with.
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It's just like kind of high glamor,
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high fashion throughout the 70s.
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Diana would soon release the album
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"Diana and Marvin" with fellow
Motown star, Marvin Gaye.
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Diana had known Marvin Gaye for years.
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I mean, The Supremes,
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sung backgrounds on some of his early hits,
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like "Can I Get a Witness."
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So she had a long relationship with Marvin.
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- Their voices were kind of in the same range,
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the masculine, the feminine version of it.
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You felt that they liked each
other, they loved each other,
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they cared about each other in a, not in a romantic way,
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but in a comradeship way.
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In the 70s,
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Diana would break into the world of movies.
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- Well, Berry Gordy had this dream
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to make Diana the Black Streisand
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a recording star, a TV star, a movie star.
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So the first project that Berry Gordy got for Diana
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was the Billie Holiday life
story, "Lady Sings the Blues."
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[slow blues music]
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At the time when it was announced
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that Diana will play this role,
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people were very skeptical about it
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because Diana had this image
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of being slightly frivolous pop music,
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it was seen as, unfairly.
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But that's how it was seen in
comparison to Billie Holiday,
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who was this real kind of
legend of jazz music, you know,
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little depth and pain in her music.
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And so how could Diana possibly take this on?
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But the film was a triumph for Diana.
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I mean, if you see her in those scenes, it's incredible.
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She really immersed herself in the role.
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[somber blues music]
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- She got an Oscar nomination for it, won a Golden Globe.
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The album became a Double
Platinum hit for her in every way.
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"Lady Sings the Blues"
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was a kind of a major turning point for Diana.
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You know, claiming her sort of power as a superstar.
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[crowd chatter] [cameras clicking]
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- Then she does "Mahogany,"
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which is filmed in my hometown of Chicago.
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So everybody's like screaming.
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And when she plays what
makes sense, a fashion designer.
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In "Mahogany,"
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Diana's past as a hopeful
fashion student came in handy
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as she took the lead role and a costume design credit.
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Berry Gordy would take over production on the film,
524
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,320
which led to clashes with Ross.
525
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,573
Diana also starred in the film adaptation of "The Wiz"
526
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,360
with Michael Jackson in 1978.
527
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,880
[funky music]
528
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,680
After she collaborated with Marvin Gaye,
529
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,560
Diana released albums such as "Last Time I saw Him"
530
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,533
and "Baby It's Me."
531
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,840
But in 1979, her album, "The Boss,"
532
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,520
asserted herself as a symbol
of the rising disco scene.
533
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,960
[upbeat disco music]
534
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,720
She was known to dance at
the iconic disco club, Studio 54.
535
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,200
- By the mid 70s, disco was starting to come in,
536
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,560
and Diana really was on the first wave of that.
537
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,960
She recorded a track called "Love Hangover"
538
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,320
that was kind of like a proto-disco track really.
539
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,920
Diana had had already proven
540
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,800
that she could be a disco star in a way.
541
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,173
- Diana goes disco, which made perfect sense,
542
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,600
absolutely perfect sense.
543
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,000
Master stroke, you know, high disco,
544
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,280
high Diana walks, drag.
545
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,013
And she's wise to that. She's very smart about it.
546
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,893
It's a very clever album. Very clever.
547
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,200
- People didn't think it was her at the time
548
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,960
because she's doing these sort of gospel runs
549
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,040
and this kind of powerhouse vocals at the end
550
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:25,973
that don't seem like what you'd normally expect
551
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,200
from Diana Ross.
552
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,720
[upbeat disco music]
553
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,960
One of the great quality I think of Diana Ross
554
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,760
is that she could, she proved herself be so adaptable
555
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,360
to kind of genres over the years.
556
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,173
You know, she didn't just get fixed in the 60s
557
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,733
and the Motown sound.
558
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,853
She sustained her career over decades
559
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,800
because she could adapt
560
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,120
to whatever was the flavor of the time.
561
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,560
The disco scene was popular with gay men,
562
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,560
an audience with which Diana had already built up
563
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:14,960
a devout following.
564
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,880
- Disco was massive.
565
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,613
I was a little disco queen myself,
566
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,160
and I had a little cadre of wonderful gay guys
567
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,413
that I ran around with.
568
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,200
For the gay community, the gay male community,
569
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,093
Diana Ross was an icon.
570
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,160
I mean, I was friends with a guy
571
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,840
who did a Diana Ross impersonation act at night.
572
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,760
She accepts the fact that she's
a gay icon, a gay male icon.
573
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,440
She accepts it, she loves it, she embraces it.
574
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,960
Diana kept the mirror disco ball rolling
575
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,240
when she collaborated with Nile Rodgers
576
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,520
and Bernard Edwards of Chic.
577
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,120
She stepped away from her usual collaborators,
578
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,653
Brian and Eddie Holland,
who defined her sound thus far
579
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,293
with Motown and The Supremes.
580
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,480
The album simply called
"Diana" further solidified her
581
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,733
as the ultimate disco diva and gay icon.
582
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,440
- For me, my favorite Diana Ross fashion look
583
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,400
is probably the "Diana· album cover."
584
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,373
The album she did with Chic,
585
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,640
where there was a deliberate attempt
586
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,893
to strip away and deconstruct
the glamorous idea of Diana.
587
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,453
And she's presented in jeans
588
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,560
and a white T-shirt with her hair slicked back.
589
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,853
And she's looks very defile in the image.
590
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,293
She's staring down the camera.
591
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,400
That's kind of a look that's been emulated a lot
592
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,253
and copied over the years by different stars.
593
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,080
But Diana, you know, was the first.
594
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,000
One of the biggest hits from the album
595
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,960
was "I'm Coming Out."
596
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,560
[upbeat music]
597
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,880
The lyrics resonated with Diana's gay fans
598
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,973
taking on the meaning of coming out from the closet
599
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,600
- I'm coming out, you know,
600
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,800
gives you everything that you need to know
601
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,320
in terms of her understanding
602
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,520
who one of her core audiences
were, the gay male community.
603
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,520
For Diana, it took on an additional meaning.
604
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,400
At this time, Diana was beginning to come out
605
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,120
from Berry Gordy's control of her career.
606
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,400
- Diana's life had been very much controlled by Berry.
607
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,240
He was like her mentor, her husband Gordy,
608
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,800
her father figure throughout her years at Motown.
609
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,880
But there comes a certain point
where you wanna break free.
610
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,653
She was working hard album after album,
611
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,813
movie after movie in the 70s.
612
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,693
And by the end of it, she kind of had enough
613
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,640
of not really having a huge say
614
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,813
in where her career was going.
615
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,600
She started making records
that were really reflective
616
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,920
of her independence, like "The Boss."
617
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,000
But it was time really for her to leave Motown
618
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,080
Ross would soon begin negotiations
619
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,080
to leave Motown in 1980.
620
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,080
RCA Records offered Ross
621
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,480
a $20 million seven-year recording contract
622
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,720
with full production control of her albums.
623
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,093
Gordy and Motown couldn't compete,
624
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,600
and so the next chapter of Diana's career began.
625
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,800
It was time for Diana to prove
she could do it alone again.
626
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,640
- Partly, I would imagine she'd left
627
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,093
because Michael Jackson was leaving.
628
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,760
Michael Jackson was coming out of that.
629
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,253
Marvin Gaye was coming out of that.
630
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,240
And so they were becoming solo acts in of themselves
631
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,560
because the music scene had changed.
632
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,573
"Why Do Fools Fall in Love"
633
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,053
was Diana's first album for RCA.
634
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,693
The leading single of the same name was a cover
635
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,720
of the 1950s Frankie Lymon
& The Teenager's classic.
636
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,600
[upbeat music]
637
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,920
With her new independence,
Diana became a businesswoman
638
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,280
establishing her own production company
639
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,120
and investing in real estate.
640
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,240
Throughout her career,
641
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,373
Diana Ross has also gained
a reputation for being a diva.
642
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,760
From her conflicts in The
Supremes to silicious rumors
643
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,400
of backstage tantrums.
644
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,400
- When I hear the word diva
outside of the opera, you know,
645
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,160
you think of a man or a woman
646
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,360
who has to have the space around them
647
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,240
totally under their control,
648
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,093
even beyond if they can help it,
649
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,360
and them being the center of the control.
650
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,160
But it had to be like they wanted to be.
651
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,240
And the rumor was that Diana Ross was like that.
652
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,560
- There were a series of things,
653
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,360
particularly in the 80s, I think,
654
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,933
that in the public's mind solidified the idea
655
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,853
of "Diana the Diva," which were the musical "Dreamgirls,"
656
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,200
which is a sort of thinly veiled telling
657
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,240
of the The Supreme story
658
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,080
and about how one girl gets kicked out,
659
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,013
and another girl who's in love with the boss
660
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:25,960
gets pushed to the front.
661
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,653
It's like, "I wonder who that could be about."
662
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:30,400
You know, who Diana wasn't
that impressed about at the time.
663
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,000
- I saw the opening night of "Dreamgirls,"
664
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,560
the original on Broadway in the early 80s.
665
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,053
And of course, it took that story.
666
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,333
"Dreamgirls" takes a story
of the breakout of Diana Ross
667
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,493
from The Supremes.
668
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,613
But I wonder what she must
have thought when she saw that
669
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:47,960
because it was, you know.
670
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,520
I mean, the ruthlessness must've been amazing.
671
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,360
You could tell she was ambitious, that's for sure.
672
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,773
The musical "Dreamgirls"
673
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,800
was later made into a film starring Beyonce.
674
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,773
- It's a musical, it's loosely based off of The Supremes.
675
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,240
It's kind of, it's about the upsides and the downsides,
676
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,400
all the negative things that come along with fame.
677
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,560
And it's just an incredible energy
678
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,560
and it makes you leave the theater feeling
679
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,080
like anything's possible.
680
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,600
It's a family movie, but it's so entertaining,
681
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,693
and the way the director
cut the music with the scenes,
682
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,000
it's just brilliant, and I'm so happy to be a part of it.
683
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,253
- Couple years after that,
684
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,933
Mary Wilson wrote a tell-all book called "Dreamgirl,"
685
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,360
where she bitched
686
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,960
and complained about how Diana Ross had been,
687
00:35:39,959 --> 00:35:41,093
treated better than the rest of the girls
688
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,280
during The Supremes.
689
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,040
Which is unfair. I don't think she deserves that at all.
690
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,173
She was ambitious and she was talented,
691
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:54,240
and she was the best singer in the group, really.
692
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,280
And so, of course she's gonna get the spotlight.
693
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,440
[camera clicking] [piano music]
694
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,293
In 1985, Barry Gibb produced her album,
695
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,373
"Eaten Alive," which got a UK number one
696
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,080
with "Chain Reaction."
697
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,920
[upbeat music]
698
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,520
- But as the decade went on,
699
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,640
the records weren't as big hits.
700
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,533
There was a decline really
in her commercial fortunes.
701
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:46,520
She would continue
702
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,253
to release albums in the realm of pop music
703
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,200
with reduced commercial success.
704
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,760
- She was making really interesting pop records,
705
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,720
but they weren't necessarily connecting.
706
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,173
But of course, she was getting older as well.
707
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:58,207
There were so many contemporaries
708
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,333
that were coming out at that point.
709
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,080
You know, people like Whitney Houston were emerging.
710
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,080
And so Diana was kind of being
711
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,480
slightly pushed out the
spotlight, particularly in America.
712
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,640
However, by now, Diana was seen as an icon
713
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:11,560
and would continue
714
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,760
to carry out hugely successful world tours.
715
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,013
- She's a great performer.
716
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,600
I mean, you can't take that from her at all.
717
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,560
She loves audiences, and you can feel that.
718
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,893
- Absolutely amazing.
719
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,520
I can't put into words how I felt. It was so emotional.
720
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,760
And it's what I've grown up with.
721
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,173
You know, I'm a child born in the 60s,
722
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,720
growing up with Diana Ross and Motown,
723
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,453
and I honestly, I was so overwhelmed.
724
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,280
But it doesn't matter what age you are
725
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,440
'cause everyone around me was enjoying it as well.
726
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,360
And she's multi-generational.
727
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,640
She's just, my God, such an icon. I loved it.
728
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:56,840
Age is no barrier.
729
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,040
So she's as good now as she was in the 70s.
730
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,560
And I love her, absolute icon.
731
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,520
I'm actually crying, sorry. She's brilliant.
732
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,560
- She really connects with her audience.
733
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,000
There's a kind of always a point in the show
734
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,880
where she encourages the audience to hold hands
735
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,720
and sing together.
736
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,760
She'll do "Reach Out and Touch,"
737
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,880
and she'll guide the audience with a microphone,
738
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,360
encourage everyone to kind of join hands.
739
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,120
And she kind of is this goddess of love.
740
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:26,960
- What I would like to do
741
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,733
is hear all the voices in the house sing with me
742
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,800
on "Reach Out and Touch."
743
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,933
Let's see if we can get every voice in the house.
744
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,733
Okay? Everybody.
745
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,800
[calm music]
746
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,680
Sing it now.
747
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,680
Through her illustrious career,
748
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,933
Diana Ross has emerged as a true icon.
749
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,040
- One way you could describe Diana Ross
750
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,280
is "Queen of Motown,"
751
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,560
'cause she was the biggest star of the Motown era.
752
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,240
Without a doubt, I mean, The Supremes were huge.
753
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,000
They were the biggest recording group
754
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,800
in America in the 60s.
755
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:15,240
[upbeat music]
756
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,960
One of the most important
things about Diana's legacy
757
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,253
is that she was the first Black female
758
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,440
crossover artist, really.
759
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,120
There've been artists,
760
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,400
there've been people before like Lena Horne
761
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,720
and Anna Fitzgerald and Dorothy Dandridge,
762
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,040
other women that were stars and people knew them,
763
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,240
but they hadn't really conquered
764
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,333
as many fields as Diana did.
765
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,200
You know, she was a recording
star, a TV star, a movie star.
766
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,400
And in that way, she really paved the way
767
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,840
for a load of women that followed,
768
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,720
you know, from Janet Jackson through to Beyonce.
769
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,693
- Well, Diana Ross experienced the challenges
770
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,013
of being a Black woman.
771
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,920
Music career was not built for Black women,
772
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,453
for sure, Black people, period.
773
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,240
So she faced that challenge.
774
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,600
Her music has transcended
both genre and generation.
775
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:24,000
- Diana Ross was pop, so she could go from Berry Gordy
776
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,893
and that whole production number of Motown
777
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,920
to Nile Rogers.
778
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,000
She could sing Broadway,
which she did, Broadway ballads.
779
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,840
She could do all of those things.
780
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,800
What others would see as boundaries,
781
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,000
Diana saw as a green light.
782
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Her life has been a high speed ride
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from the Detroit projects to global stardom.
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- That's her key legacy, I think. She's a living legend.
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She deserves to have that role, the living legend.
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You know, I don't think she's necessarily
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has fairly given the props she deserves.
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