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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,927 --> 00:00:12,347 When Malcolm went to Mecca, 2 00:00:12,429 --> 00:00:14,309 the scales were falling off of his eyes. 3 00:00:17,392 --> 00:00:19,692 He was able to cast off 4 00:00:19,770 --> 00:00:22,480 a lot of the views that had straightjacketed him. 5 00:00:24,066 --> 00:00:26,146 Because of the spiritual rebirth 6 00:00:26,235 --> 00:00:29,445 which I was blessed to undergo as a result of the pilgrimage 7 00:00:29,530 --> 00:00:30,780 to the holy city of Mecca, 8 00:00:31,281 --> 00:00:32,951 I no longer subscribe 9 00:00:33,033 --> 00:00:35,623 to sweeping indictments of any one race. 10 00:00:37,287 --> 00:00:39,957 Malcolm was just emerging as a world leader. 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,080 Thanks very much. 12 00:00:41,166 --> 00:00:43,666 He had the opportunity to fully express himself. 13 00:00:43,752 --> 00:00:46,842 How you going to tell me you're a second-class citizen? 14 00:00:46,922 --> 00:00:48,262 Second-class citizenship 15 00:00:48,340 --> 00:00:50,340 is nothing but 20th-century slavery. 16 00:00:50,926 --> 00:00:52,886 This is no longer the rabble-rouser 17 00:00:52,970 --> 00:00:55,430 riling up the disenfranchised negroes 18 00:00:55,514 --> 00:00:57,354 of American urban centers. 19 00:00:58,225 --> 00:00:59,385 This is now a person 20 00:00:59,476 --> 00:01:02,266 who's ad hoc ambassador of black America. 21 00:01:02,354 --> 00:01:04,904 His concerns are no longer just the NYPD. 22 00:01:04,982 --> 00:01:06,862 His concerns are now the State Department. 23 00:01:06,942 --> 00:01:08,362 Understand this. 24 00:01:08,443 --> 00:01:10,993 That the ballot is as powerful as the bullet, 25 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:14,411 and if you don't use the ballot, you're gonna have to use the bullet. 26 00:01:16,493 --> 00:01:19,503 He is being perceived as a threat... 27 00:01:19,580 --> 00:01:22,670 22 million black victims are waking up. 28 00:01:22,749 --> 00:01:24,329 ...that needs to be neutralized. 29 00:01:25,210 --> 00:01:27,210 The greatest injustice is that 30 00:01:27,296 --> 00:01:31,336 the government made an enemy out of one of its citizens. 31 00:01:31,884 --> 00:01:33,514 That's what led up to everything else. 32 00:01:33,594 --> 00:01:35,684 ...for this government has failed us. 33 00:01:35,762 --> 00:01:37,642 Brother Malcolm might've been that messiah, 34 00:01:37,723 --> 00:01:39,143 and that's what they did not want. 35 00:01:39,224 --> 00:01:43,944 Revolutions overturn systems. Revolutions destroy systems. 36 00:01:44,897 --> 00:01:46,767 This was the power of Malcolm. 37 00:01:47,441 --> 00:01:53,071 He represented the controlled force of black people. 38 00:01:53,822 --> 00:01:55,072 You don't need a debate. 39 00:01:55,157 --> 00:01:57,027 And should it be unleashed... 40 00:01:57,117 --> 00:01:58,487 You don't need a filibuster. 41 00:01:58,577 --> 00:02:03,287 ...would be a formidable challenge to the system. 42 00:02:03,373 --> 00:02:04,673 You need some action. 43 00:02:05,709 --> 00:02:09,089 And in 1964 and 1965, 44 00:02:10,005 --> 00:02:12,295 that force was being unleashed. 45 00:03:16,113 --> 00:03:19,703 In the evening of February 21st, 1965, 46 00:03:19,783 --> 00:03:21,623 Malcolm X was killed. 47 00:03:21,702 --> 00:03:24,622 Three men were subsequently arrested and convicted. 48 00:03:24,705 --> 00:03:26,745 Throughout the 20 years he spent in prison 49 00:03:26,832 --> 00:03:30,672 for Malcolm's murder, Muhammad Aziz, Norman Butler, 50 00:03:30,752 --> 00:03:32,712 always insisted he was innocent. 51 00:03:33,547 --> 00:03:34,717 And Talmadge Hayer, 52 00:03:34,798 --> 00:03:38,048 the only assassin ever to confess, backed him up. 53 00:03:38,135 --> 00:03:39,465 Muhammad Aziz, 54 00:03:39,553 --> 00:03:41,893 who in those days was called Norman Butler, 55 00:03:43,182 --> 00:03:45,142 claims to have had no part in the execution. 56 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,270 And Aziz claimed that the FBI had, 57 00:03:49,354 --> 00:03:50,734 in its records, 58 00:03:50,814 --> 00:03:53,034 information that pointed to the real killers. 59 00:03:53,108 --> 00:03:56,278 According to the FBI papers in regard to this case, 60 00:03:56,987 --> 00:04:00,817 their theory of what happened coincides precisely 61 00:04:00,908 --> 00:04:02,948 with, uh, Talmadge Hayer's, 62 00:04:03,035 --> 00:04:05,745 so that not only is it his statements, 63 00:04:06,705 --> 00:04:07,745 it's the FBI record. 64 00:04:08,540 --> 00:04:12,380 The FBI record says what he says, and he never saw the FBI record. 65 00:04:12,461 --> 00:04:14,761 Well, let's make this absolutely plain. 66 00:04:14,838 --> 00:04:16,878 What you're saying is that the FBI, 67 00:04:16,965 --> 00:04:20,965 uh, has in its records, and indeed all along did, 68 00:04:21,553 --> 00:04:24,893 uh, a narrative that would exonerate you. 69 00:04:24,973 --> 00:04:25,973 Oh, yes. 70 00:04:26,058 --> 00:04:30,098 Talmadge Hayer named the mosque that the people came out of, 71 00:04:30,187 --> 00:04:32,187 to the ranks that the people held. 72 00:04:32,940 --> 00:04:35,610 He said who they were and so did the FBI. 73 00:04:37,819 --> 00:04:40,609 I keep running up against this idea 74 00:04:41,698 --> 00:04:44,408 that the FBI has its own version of events 75 00:04:44,493 --> 00:04:47,203 that differs from the official court record. 76 00:04:47,871 --> 00:04:50,461 Let me get the light turned on first here. 77 00:04:54,002 --> 00:04:56,092 It's very clear in here that they've got 78 00:04:56,171 --> 00:04:58,131 a reasonably good description 79 00:04:58,215 --> 00:05:00,875 of the gunman who wielded the shotgun. 80 00:05:00,968 --> 00:05:02,008 Bingo. 81 00:05:03,303 --> 00:05:06,643 Um, it's clearly based on Bureau agents... 82 00:05:06,723 --> 00:05:09,233 - Okay. - ...interviewing whomever they could find 83 00:05:09,309 --> 00:05:11,899 who'd been in the Audubon Ballroom that day. 84 00:05:12,688 --> 00:05:14,768 The source for this report was probably 85 00:05:14,857 --> 00:05:16,777 one of the nine FBI informants 86 00:05:16,859 --> 00:05:18,649 in the room when Malcolm was killed. 87 00:05:18,735 --> 00:05:21,855 So, it's a very detailed recounting. 88 00:05:22,447 --> 00:05:23,817 They say, 89 00:05:23,907 --> 00:05:28,077 "He is a Negro male, age 28, six feet two inches, 90 00:05:28,161 --> 00:05:32,961 two hundred pounds, heavy build, dark complexion, wearing gray coat 91 00:05:33,041 --> 00:05:36,001 and believed to be assailant who used shotgun." 92 00:05:37,379 --> 00:05:39,839 I've seen this document already, 93 00:05:39,923 --> 00:05:42,223 and I assumed the folks investigating Malcolm's murder 94 00:05:42,301 --> 00:05:43,431 had seen it too. 95 00:05:44,761 --> 00:05:46,011 But I was wrong. 96 00:05:46,597 --> 00:05:48,637 Wouldn't this information have been shared 97 00:05:48,724 --> 00:05:51,064 with the New York prosecution? 98 00:05:51,143 --> 00:05:52,563 Not necessarily. 99 00:05:52,644 --> 00:05:56,194 No New York prosecutor would have ever seen this document 100 00:05:57,107 --> 00:05:59,477 because the FBI would not release 101 00:05:59,568 --> 00:06:02,148 a teletype like this outside the Bureau. 102 00:06:02,946 --> 00:06:04,446 The man they convicted 103 00:06:04,531 --> 00:06:07,991 for carrying the shotgun, Thomas 15X Johnson, 104 00:06:08,076 --> 00:06:11,746 is a very light-skinned African-American. 105 00:06:12,414 --> 00:06:14,044 Someone in the government, 106 00:06:14,124 --> 00:06:16,134 whoever filed this report, certainly knew 107 00:06:16,210 --> 00:06:19,840 the man law enforcement was accusing of wielding the shotgun 108 00:06:19,922 --> 00:06:22,012 - did not match this description. - Right. 109 00:06:26,220 --> 00:06:28,260 Getting information from the FBI 110 00:06:28,347 --> 00:06:29,717 was always difficult for us. 111 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:35,190 Always. They played at compliance. 112 00:06:35,270 --> 00:06:36,770 They were very pleasant, 113 00:06:36,855 --> 00:06:40,065 but, uh, they never gave us anything. 114 00:06:41,693 --> 00:06:45,363 The FBI had a fellow who was there every single day. 115 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,160 Every day, going through our files and reports 116 00:06:49,243 --> 00:06:51,413 and giving them to his superiors. 117 00:06:51,495 --> 00:06:53,745 It was strictly a one-way street. 118 00:06:54,831 --> 00:06:56,461 This was not sharing. 119 00:06:56,542 --> 00:07:01,712 Sharing implies give and take. This was all take, no give. 120 00:07:05,133 --> 00:07:08,643 There are thousands of FBI documents on Malcolm X. 121 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,270 Many of them have never been released. 122 00:07:11,348 --> 00:07:12,928 Others were destroyed. 123 00:07:13,517 --> 00:07:15,807 But buried deep in a file that I acquired 124 00:07:15,894 --> 00:07:18,154 through a Freedom of Information Act request, 125 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:21,730 I came across another reference to the shotgun assassin. 126 00:07:24,361 --> 00:07:26,911 This one based on a highly respected source. 127 00:07:26,989 --> 00:07:29,489 Leon 4X Ameer is his Muslim name. 128 00:07:29,575 --> 00:07:31,485 A former member of the Nation 129 00:07:31,577 --> 00:07:33,907 and a leader in Malcolm's new organization. 130 00:07:34,538 --> 00:07:36,288 This is incredible. 131 00:07:36,373 --> 00:07:39,423 At Malcolm's funeral, he was told explicitly 132 00:07:39,501 --> 00:07:42,301 by former members of the Newark, New Jersey mosque, 133 00:07:42,379 --> 00:07:44,129 mosque No. 25, 134 00:07:44,214 --> 00:07:46,054 that the man wielding the shotgun 135 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:50,473 was tall, dark-skinned, that he shot from the hip 136 00:07:50,554 --> 00:07:53,144 like he was an expert with this type of weapon. 137 00:07:53,891 --> 00:07:57,771 All of that corroborated what the other eyewitnesses said. 138 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:00,148 Most importantly, however, 139 00:08:00,230 --> 00:08:02,400 he was told that the shotgun assassin 140 00:08:02,482 --> 00:08:06,402 was a lieutenant in the Newark Mosque, 25. 141 00:08:08,822 --> 00:08:11,952 I got my hands on the FBI's file on William Bradley. 142 00:08:12,784 --> 00:08:13,874 Mmm. 143 00:08:13,952 --> 00:08:16,372 And there it was in black and white. 144 00:08:17,206 --> 00:08:18,956 This particular source advised that 145 00:08:19,041 --> 00:08:22,711 "William Bradley was an officer at Muhammad's Mosque 25 146 00:08:22,794 --> 00:08:24,964 and serving as a lieutenant of the FOI." 147 00:08:25,589 --> 00:08:28,089 So, um, here it is clearly, 148 00:08:28,675 --> 00:08:32,845 the FBI knew that Bradley was a lieutenant in the mosque. 149 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:37,979 Bradley is described, right here in their own files, 150 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:43,769 as dark-skinned, stocky, and a lieutenant in the mosque, 151 00:08:43,857 --> 00:08:45,187 matching the description. 152 00:08:46,735 --> 00:08:49,105 The FBI even had a photograph. 153 00:08:50,197 --> 00:08:56,747 So, the FBI has his picture, his identity, description. 154 00:08:58,580 --> 00:09:00,330 And then I found this. 155 00:09:03,585 --> 00:09:07,295 This is... It says here, 156 00:09:07,381 --> 00:09:13,471 "In the event this information is not already in the possession 157 00:09:14,221 --> 00:09:16,311 of the New York City Police Department, 158 00:09:16,390 --> 00:09:20,230 such information should not be furnished 159 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:25,070 without first receiving Bureau authority." 160 00:09:25,691 --> 00:09:28,741 Why wouldn't the FBI 161 00:09:29,862 --> 00:09:34,072 immediately notify the New York City Police Department? 162 00:09:34,825 --> 00:09:38,785 After all, Thomas 15X Johnson looked absolutely nothing 163 00:09:38,871 --> 00:09:40,711 like the alleged assassin. 164 00:09:40,789 --> 00:09:44,419 And he had already been arrested for wielding the shotgun. 165 00:09:45,127 --> 00:09:47,627 There was yet another reference to the fact that the FBI 166 00:09:47,713 --> 00:09:49,343 was withholding information. 167 00:09:51,258 --> 00:09:53,798 It says that "New York has not been advised 168 00:09:53,886 --> 00:09:57,426 of the identity of X as a possible suspect." 169 00:10:00,684 --> 00:10:02,064 So, you have to wonder, 170 00:10:02,144 --> 00:10:05,564 could that redacted name be William Bradley? 171 00:10:09,151 --> 00:10:14,621 But in August of 1965, months before the trial began, 172 00:10:14,698 --> 00:10:16,948 this lead about the shotgun assassin 173 00:10:17,034 --> 00:10:19,334 being a dark-skinned lieutenant from Newark, 174 00:10:19,411 --> 00:10:24,581 was considered RUC, "Referred Upon Completion." 175 00:10:24,666 --> 00:10:27,706 Basically, that's it. They're closing the file. 176 00:10:31,256 --> 00:10:34,046 Closed it out for no apparent reason. 177 00:10:34,134 --> 00:10:36,474 Didn't let the New York City Police Department know. 178 00:10:37,137 --> 00:10:39,007 All this just makes you wonder, 179 00:10:39,097 --> 00:10:43,477 could Bradley have been an informant working for the FBI? 180 00:10:46,104 --> 00:10:50,154 Months later, Johnson, Butler and Hayer 181 00:10:50,234 --> 00:10:53,404 were sentenced to 20 years to life for Malcolm's murder. 182 00:10:54,363 --> 00:10:58,033 Looks like they allowed two innocent men to go to jail. 183 00:10:58,700 --> 00:11:01,410 That is a goddamn shame, you know? I mean... 184 00:11:02,412 --> 00:11:03,792 As I'm reading it... 185 00:11:07,668 --> 00:11:09,038 That is a damn shame. 186 00:11:10,712 --> 00:11:12,302 That is a damn shame. 187 00:11:17,636 --> 00:11:18,716 Ironically, 188 00:11:18,804 --> 00:11:21,774 it seems Malcolm was murdered by members of his own race, 189 00:11:21,849 --> 00:11:23,729 the very people he was trying to help. 190 00:11:26,103 --> 00:11:29,443 Al-Mustafa Shabazz, formerly William X Bradley, 191 00:11:29,523 --> 00:11:33,783 this burly, big, dark-skinned man, 192 00:11:33,861 --> 00:11:36,281 you know, a perfect description 193 00:11:36,363 --> 00:11:39,783 of the man that eyewitnesses say fired the shotgun. 194 00:11:41,118 --> 00:11:42,618 They described him to a T. 195 00:11:43,954 --> 00:11:49,544 But it seems he was never questioned, never pursued, 196 00:11:49,626 --> 00:11:54,586 never investigated at all by any governmental agency, 197 00:11:54,673 --> 00:11:57,473 by any police agency, federal or state. 198 00:11:59,970 --> 00:12:03,390 And now I've amassed all of this evidence, 199 00:12:04,850 --> 00:12:06,060 all of this information. 200 00:12:07,227 --> 00:12:11,187 William Bradley's alleged role in the assassination of Malcolm X. 201 00:12:11,273 --> 00:12:13,653 Somebody needs to do something about this. 202 00:12:14,234 --> 00:12:16,244 Malcolm deserves at least that. 203 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:21,739 I would like to look the man eye to eye, man to man. 204 00:12:22,451 --> 00:12:25,831 "How could you do that, man? How could you do that? 205 00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:30,959 How could you do that to our people?" 206 00:12:46,183 --> 00:12:48,393 I always thought that when I came to Newark, 207 00:12:49,978 --> 00:12:51,688 drive by the house... 208 00:12:56,235 --> 00:12:57,945 I'd stop by the house, 209 00:13:00,614 --> 00:13:02,034 knock on the door, 210 00:13:04,535 --> 00:13:06,115 meet him at the door... 211 00:13:09,831 --> 00:13:12,331 I'm not gonna tell you that it was that thought out. 212 00:13:17,714 --> 00:13:23,104 But when I got close enough, it was snatched away from me. 213 00:13:29,935 --> 00:13:34,015 I got a phone call, and I could tell 214 00:13:34,815 --> 00:13:36,605 by the person who made the call 215 00:13:36,692 --> 00:13:39,612 and the briefness of the message, 216 00:13:40,571 --> 00:13:42,661 I already knew what the call was about. 217 00:13:44,700 --> 00:13:46,740 And the person said, 218 00:13:46,827 --> 00:13:48,447 "Are you sitting down? 219 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,420 Bradley is dead. 220 00:13:56,837 --> 00:13:58,337 He died today." 221 00:14:00,174 --> 00:14:01,724 And, um... 222 00:14:03,427 --> 00:14:04,847 I just sat there 223 00:14:05,888 --> 00:14:08,848 and tried to, 224 00:14:10,225 --> 00:14:12,185 you know, process what I was hearing. 225 00:14:23,447 --> 00:14:26,487 I should've acted sooner perhaps. 226 00:14:29,036 --> 00:14:32,406 I'm heartbroken, even depressed a little bit, 227 00:14:32,497 --> 00:14:35,537 because this man will never stand justice. 228 00:14:35,626 --> 00:14:39,586 He'll never have to give an account for what people claim that he did. 229 00:14:42,674 --> 00:14:44,224 Time won this one. 230 00:14:48,055 --> 00:14:51,305 But, you know, our religion teaches that God is time. 231 00:14:52,684 --> 00:14:56,274 So, everything happens in His time because He is time. 232 00:14:59,399 --> 00:15:01,109 Allahu Akbar. 233 00:15:06,448 --> 00:15:08,868 Allahu Akbar. 234 00:15:09,493 --> 00:15:12,413 I was three years old when Malcolm got killed. 235 00:15:12,496 --> 00:15:14,036 Allahu Akbar. 236 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,250 I'm not a young man anymore. 237 00:15:21,922 --> 00:15:23,052 People think I'm crazy. 238 00:15:24,216 --> 00:15:26,216 "You still talking about that Malcolm thing? 239 00:15:27,678 --> 00:15:29,048 Ah, Malcolm's dead and gone. 240 00:15:29,763 --> 00:15:31,393 Why you still talking about that?" 241 00:15:35,477 --> 00:15:38,727 It's been such a sacrifice, you know what I mean? 242 00:15:39,314 --> 00:15:41,324 I've been too obsessed with this. 243 00:15:42,651 --> 00:15:44,281 I just couldn't let it go. 244 00:15:48,365 --> 00:15:52,615 I'm not a wealthy man and, uh, you know... 245 00:15:56,498 --> 00:15:58,878 That's, uh, wow... 246 00:16:01,962 --> 00:16:03,382 Hold the camera. 247 00:16:03,463 --> 00:16:05,303 I don't want to talk that much about that. 248 00:16:07,134 --> 00:16:09,934 I don't want to reveal myself like that, not like that. 249 00:16:12,931 --> 00:16:14,271 I don't want no pity. 250 00:16:18,395 --> 00:16:22,145 Having to take care of myself and my family takes precedent 251 00:16:22,232 --> 00:16:25,362 over trying to determine who killed Malcolm X. 252 00:16:25,444 --> 00:16:27,204 As important as that is. 253 00:16:30,490 --> 00:16:31,830 - This is my son, man. - This your son? 254 00:16:31,909 --> 00:16:33,869 Twenty-one, man. Remember how little he was? 255 00:16:33,952 --> 00:16:35,042 - Big guy, now. 256 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,500 Is he taller than me? 257 00:16:36,580 --> 00:16:37,870 No, he's not taller than me, is he? 258 00:16:37,956 --> 00:16:38,786 I am. 259 00:16:38,874 --> 00:16:41,504 All of my scholarship has come out of my pocket, 260 00:16:42,586 --> 00:16:44,376 and it's come out of my family. 261 00:16:50,802 --> 00:16:53,262 But I have always felt that it was important 262 00:16:53,347 --> 00:16:56,767 that my son understand devotion 263 00:16:56,850 --> 00:16:59,270 to a cause that you feel is important. 264 00:17:02,022 --> 00:17:03,272 You're in that book too, right? 265 00:17:03,357 --> 00:17:04,527 This is the one I'm in. 266 00:17:04,608 --> 00:17:08,528 And I've tried to show him that, you know, by the way that I do my research. 267 00:17:08,612 --> 00:17:09,952 I might have to get this one. 268 00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:11,740 Malcolm stood up for the truth, 269 00:17:11,823 --> 00:17:13,533 even when it cost him everything. 270 00:17:13,617 --> 00:17:15,367 ♪ Excuse my profanity This is insanity ♪ 271 00:17:15,452 --> 00:17:17,292 ♪ I look at Trump Like he ain't a man to me ♪ 272 00:17:17,371 --> 00:17:19,581 His life example has given me a model 273 00:17:19,665 --> 00:17:21,075 to pass on to my son. 274 00:17:21,166 --> 00:17:23,036 ♪ 'Cause I know that Allah got a plan for me ♪ 275 00:17:23,126 --> 00:17:25,086 Alhamdulillah. You like that? 276 00:17:26,171 --> 00:17:28,131 That's what it's about. 277 00:17:47,693 --> 00:17:49,743 I spent 20 years incarcerated 278 00:17:49,820 --> 00:17:51,610 for a crime that I didn't commit. 279 00:17:54,241 --> 00:17:58,871 This wrongful conviction shaped more lives than mine. 280 00:18:00,122 --> 00:18:02,372 And everybody's been affected by this. 281 00:18:04,001 --> 00:18:06,751 A whole generation, children, grandchildren. 282 00:18:08,463 --> 00:18:14,553 This whole thing produced issues that has caused a fissure, 283 00:18:14,636 --> 00:18:19,926 a separation, a distance in my family. 284 00:18:23,353 --> 00:18:26,523 When I left them, the oldest was five, 285 00:18:26,607 --> 00:18:29,897 and when I returned in 1985, they were all grown, 286 00:18:29,985 --> 00:18:32,695 had children and living their own lives 287 00:18:32,779 --> 00:18:35,369 and didn't particularly want to hear anything I had to say. 288 00:18:35,449 --> 00:18:36,449 So... 289 00:18:37,201 --> 00:18:39,121 And it's basically that now. 290 00:18:39,203 --> 00:18:41,333 Facebook is public spaces, right? 291 00:18:43,290 --> 00:18:46,630 That's my daughter. And this is her son. 292 00:18:47,211 --> 00:18:50,381 I essentially don't know my grandchildren, 293 00:18:50,464 --> 00:18:53,264 my great-grandchildren or my great-great grandchildren. 294 00:18:53,884 --> 00:18:55,224 I got some of all of those. 295 00:18:56,220 --> 00:18:57,430 And I don't know them. 296 00:18:58,096 --> 00:19:00,966 I think this is my granddaughter. I think. 297 00:19:01,767 --> 00:19:04,187 So, there's little that I can say, 298 00:19:05,020 --> 00:19:08,770 you know, or we can say 299 00:19:08,857 --> 00:19:10,567 to get to each other, 300 00:19:10,651 --> 00:19:14,281 uh, except filler talk, 301 00:19:14,363 --> 00:19:17,953 if you... I mean, it's not real talk. 302 00:19:18,825 --> 00:19:21,655 I'm a father in name, I believe, only. 303 00:19:24,706 --> 00:19:27,246 Prison. Not being there. 304 00:19:30,003 --> 00:19:32,213 Not being there. 305 00:20:06,373 --> 00:20:09,293 Bradley's janazah, his funeral, is today. 306 00:20:12,421 --> 00:20:16,011 I wasn't sure if I was going to attend. 307 00:20:20,721 --> 00:20:22,971 I have really mixed feelings about it. 308 00:20:28,395 --> 00:20:31,055 But I want to hear what people have to say. 309 00:20:31,148 --> 00:20:34,478 I want to know what their understanding is. 310 00:20:40,574 --> 00:20:42,834 And I don't want it done in the shadows. 311 00:20:51,418 --> 00:20:56,048 The service was a celebration of the life of Al-Mustafa Shabazz. 312 00:20:56,131 --> 00:20:59,221 He was remembered as a mentor for Newark's youth. 313 00:21:00,093 --> 00:21:03,103 An extremely loving man with a huge heart, 314 00:21:03,805 --> 00:21:05,635 dedicated to his community. 315 00:21:18,737 --> 00:21:22,117 While I respect the somberness of the occasion 316 00:21:22,199 --> 00:21:25,159 and I understand its importance in the religion of Islam, 317 00:21:26,578 --> 00:21:28,078 I would have never thought 318 00:21:28,163 --> 00:21:30,963 this man would've got a hero's send-off. 319 00:21:55,691 --> 00:21:57,531 On some level, it didn't surprise me 320 00:21:57,609 --> 00:21:59,069 that so many people from Newark 321 00:21:59,152 --> 00:22:00,782 turned out for Bradley's funeral. 322 00:22:02,197 --> 00:22:04,827 But I'm curious, how much do these people 323 00:22:04,908 --> 00:22:07,448 really know about this man's history? 324 00:22:13,625 --> 00:22:15,835 Many of these brothers are well-respected elders 325 00:22:15,919 --> 00:22:17,709 of Newark's Muslim community. 326 00:22:21,175 --> 00:22:23,005 Some of them I've met and spoken with. 327 00:22:24,511 --> 00:22:27,431 Wali Muslim was a founding member of Mosque 25. 328 00:22:29,016 --> 00:22:30,846 And Qasim Nathari is the patriarch 329 00:22:30,934 --> 00:22:33,694 of one of the biggest Muslim families in the area. 330 00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:36,730 But what was most surprising 331 00:22:36,815 --> 00:22:39,225 was the presence of a security detail 332 00:22:40,110 --> 00:22:42,070 and an elected state official, 333 00:22:43,405 --> 00:22:45,905 the Lieutenant Governor of the State of New Jersey, 334 00:22:46,491 --> 00:22:47,911 Sheila Oliver. 335 00:22:52,414 --> 00:22:55,134 The whole thing just raised a lot of questions. 336 00:23:10,891 --> 00:23:13,231 - Good afternoon. - Hey, how are you doing? 337 00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:15,060 Lieutenant Governor Oliver will see you now. 338 00:23:15,145 --> 00:23:17,395 - You can come right this way. - Oh, thank you, thank you. 339 00:23:19,191 --> 00:23:21,941 Had you ever heard that Mosque No. 25 340 00:23:22,027 --> 00:23:24,487 was associated with the assassination of Malcolm X? 341 00:23:24,571 --> 00:23:25,991 I have heard that. 342 00:23:26,073 --> 00:23:28,663 It's been talked about that, uh, you know, 343 00:23:28,742 --> 00:23:33,162 three Muslims from Masjid 25 344 00:23:33,247 --> 00:23:35,247 were dispatched to go to New York 345 00:23:35,332 --> 00:23:38,672 to the Audubon Ballroom that weekend. I have heard that. 346 00:23:38,752 --> 00:23:40,712 Do you know Al-Mustafa Shabazz... 347 00:23:40,796 --> 00:23:42,416 - Did you know him well? - I did. 348 00:23:42,506 --> 00:23:44,256 Yes, I did. As a matter of fact, 349 00:23:44,341 --> 00:23:47,551 I attended, uh, you know, the funeral of Mustafa. 350 00:23:47,636 --> 00:23:49,176 We attended the funeral as well. 351 00:23:49,263 --> 00:23:51,353 Would you say he got a hero's send-off? 352 00:23:51,431 --> 00:23:53,141 Oh, without question, he did. 353 00:23:53,225 --> 00:23:57,185 And I think he served as a role model for younger Muslims 354 00:23:57,271 --> 00:23:58,861 in the greater Newark community, 355 00:23:58,939 --> 00:24:01,319 but young men in general. 356 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,650 You know, we all know that he was very involved 357 00:24:03,735 --> 00:24:06,565 with Mosque 25 in Newark 358 00:24:06,655 --> 00:24:11,075 and just supporting the emergence of other masjids 359 00:24:11,159 --> 00:24:12,699 in the city, 360 00:24:12,786 --> 00:24:15,786 and I think that he was just well-respected. 361 00:24:16,373 --> 00:24:18,333 The reason I asked you that is, um... 362 00:24:19,251 --> 00:24:21,251 Had you ever heard that Mustafa 363 00:24:21,336 --> 00:24:23,756 was associated with the assassination of Malcolm? 364 00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:26,469 - Had you ever heard that? - Yeah, I have heard it, 365 00:24:26,550 --> 00:24:29,890 you know, in Newark, you know, urban legend. 366 00:24:29,970 --> 00:24:32,510 You hear it, you know, when they say the streets are talking. 367 00:24:32,598 --> 00:24:33,888 I've heard it there. 368 00:24:33,974 --> 00:24:36,314 Would you say it's kind of like an open secret? 369 00:24:36,393 --> 00:24:37,903 - Would you... - I think it's an open secret. 370 00:24:37,978 --> 00:24:41,148 Like, people talk about it, I mean it's kind of part of the lore of the city? 371 00:24:41,231 --> 00:24:42,901 - I think so. - And so the question becomes, 372 00:24:42,983 --> 00:24:46,283 you know, when it's this widely known, 373 00:24:46,361 --> 00:24:51,781 how is it that he was celebrated as a hero of the community? 374 00:24:51,867 --> 00:24:55,247 I think in death, people remembered 375 00:24:55,329 --> 00:25:00,999 what he had done for so many people and families in Newark. 376 00:25:01,084 --> 00:25:03,344 I think there was deep respect 377 00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:06,170 for how he had transformed people's lives. 378 00:25:06,256 --> 00:25:08,376 I think that is what we saw there. 379 00:25:08,467 --> 00:25:10,177 Or perhaps transformed his own life. 380 00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:12,180 - Or transformed his own life. - Because he did have 381 00:25:12,262 --> 00:25:14,222 a very considerable criminal record. 382 00:25:14,306 --> 00:25:17,636 - Absolutely. - Did, oh, about 20 years for... 383 00:25:17,726 --> 00:25:18,846 Yes. Yeah. 384 00:25:18,936 --> 00:25:21,606 - ...a myriad of crimes. Serious crimes. - Yes. 385 00:25:21,688 --> 00:25:24,938 And so perhaps, like you say, this is a... 386 00:25:25,025 --> 00:25:27,105 You were saying, a kind of redemption 387 00:25:27,194 --> 00:25:28,534 - that was conferred on him. - Ex... 388 00:25:28,612 --> 00:25:30,662 - Yes. I think so. - Is that what you're suggesting? 389 00:25:30,739 --> 00:25:32,489 I absolutely think so. 390 00:25:38,997 --> 00:25:41,917 Al-Mustafa Shabazz, you knew him? 391 00:25:42,459 --> 00:25:43,839 Very closely. 392 00:25:44,795 --> 00:25:49,415 Almost like I know my son. One of my favorite brothers. 393 00:25:50,008 --> 00:25:52,008 Here's something that people would like to know. 394 00:25:52,094 --> 00:25:55,764 Al-Mustafa Shabazz rebuilds his life. 395 00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:59,690 - The community loves him. - He's that kind of guy. 396 00:25:59,768 --> 00:26:01,058 - Yeah. - Well, the question is, 397 00:26:01,144 --> 00:26:04,234 how would you think he understood what he did? 398 00:26:04,314 --> 00:26:07,654 - What he alleged... - Or alleged to have done? 399 00:26:10,195 --> 00:26:11,775 I could never speak for him. 400 00:26:11,864 --> 00:26:14,374 I would never attempt to speak for him. 401 00:26:14,992 --> 00:26:17,122 - What's done is done. - It just happened. 402 00:26:18,579 --> 00:26:20,329 Why should we dwell on that? 403 00:26:21,248 --> 00:26:23,328 Didn't people get charged for the assassination? 404 00:26:23,959 --> 00:26:25,209 - Yeah. - Right? 405 00:26:25,711 --> 00:26:27,421 People went to prison for that. 406 00:26:28,338 --> 00:26:30,338 - Yeah. - That's the end of the case. 407 00:26:30,424 --> 00:26:33,264 Yeah, but that's not the end of the case, though. I mean... 408 00:26:33,343 --> 00:26:37,143 - Because almost before the ink was... - It is... 409 00:26:37,222 --> 00:26:39,982 Almost before the ink was dry on that case, 410 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:43,599 people knew that that trial was bogus. 411 00:26:43,687 --> 00:26:45,687 Everyone, I mean, we knew a lot of... 412 00:26:45,772 --> 00:26:47,402 - Everybody knew that. - A lot of cases are bogus. 413 00:26:47,482 --> 00:26:49,072 - I guess what... - But to name names 414 00:26:49,151 --> 00:26:51,781 and say this is what I know, this is who I believe, 415 00:26:52,487 --> 00:26:54,777 that's what opens wounds. 416 00:26:55,365 --> 00:26:58,235 What does that do for Newark? I don't see much. 417 00:26:59,870 --> 00:27:02,750 Chapter's closed as far as we're concerned. 418 00:27:10,506 --> 00:27:12,966 I was here for his janazah, 419 00:27:13,592 --> 00:27:15,092 and I knew the brother quite well. 420 00:27:15,177 --> 00:27:17,137 - Did you? - Yes. 421 00:27:18,430 --> 00:27:22,180 Al-Mustafa Shabazz lived his life 422 00:27:22,893 --> 00:27:24,773 as a strong man, 423 00:27:26,104 --> 00:27:30,114 and he died as a humble servant of Allah. 424 00:27:31,235 --> 00:27:33,605 And he also pulled a shotgun 425 00:27:33,695 --> 00:27:34,815 and took Malcolm's life. 426 00:27:34,905 --> 00:27:36,155 What would you say to that? 427 00:27:37,115 --> 00:27:41,655 His thinking was not that of a Muslim. 428 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,330 That's what I'm saying to that. 429 00:27:44,414 --> 00:27:46,964 His thinking was not that of a Muslim. 430 00:27:47,042 --> 00:27:49,292 His thinking when he passed away 431 00:27:49,378 --> 00:27:52,088 wasn't what it was during that time. 432 00:27:55,926 --> 00:27:58,176 Mustafa Shabazz made hajj. 433 00:27:58,262 --> 00:28:01,522 When he was turned around and he left his life of crime, 434 00:28:01,598 --> 00:28:03,638 at one point, he made hajj. 435 00:28:03,725 --> 00:28:06,265 One of the principles of belief that we have as Muslims 436 00:28:06,353 --> 00:28:09,233 is that if a person goes to hajj 437 00:28:09,314 --> 00:28:11,324 and they perform the hajj correctly 438 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,400 and that Allah accepts that hajj, 439 00:28:13,485 --> 00:28:14,735 this person's sins are removed, 440 00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:17,490 they come back like a pure newborn person. 441 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,830 So that complicates the narrative, 442 00:28:19,908 --> 00:28:21,738 and we can't make a distinction 443 00:28:21,827 --> 00:28:23,947 that because it was a person who we loved... 444 00:28:24,037 --> 00:28:25,577 We love the legacy of Malcolm. 445 00:28:25,664 --> 00:28:27,174 We love what Malcolm represented, 446 00:28:27,249 --> 00:28:29,039 to not just the Muslims, but to the world. 447 00:28:29,126 --> 00:28:31,296 But we can't have special rules 448 00:28:31,378 --> 00:28:34,008 that because a person murdered somebody of stature 449 00:28:34,089 --> 00:28:35,339 that they're not recip... 450 00:28:35,424 --> 00:28:37,344 They can't be recipient of Allah's mercy. 451 00:28:37,426 --> 00:28:39,596 That's between them and Allah, you know? 452 00:28:39,678 --> 00:28:41,598 All these years later, 453 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,350 you realize that you made a horrible mistake. 454 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,690 Al-Mustafa Shabazz, you know, that shows to the strength 455 00:28:52,774 --> 00:28:55,404 and the courage that this man had 456 00:28:55,485 --> 00:28:57,275 with carrying that. 457 00:28:58,405 --> 00:29:01,365 Carrying that until the day he died, 458 00:29:01,450 --> 00:29:03,870 not knowing if Allah is going to forgive him, 459 00:29:03,952 --> 00:29:05,872 not knowing if Allah is gonna have mercy upon him. 460 00:29:05,954 --> 00:29:08,294 - I never thought about it like that. - Carrying that till the day he died. 461 00:29:08,373 --> 00:29:10,083 I don't think there's a day that goes past, 462 00:29:10,167 --> 00:29:11,997 I don't think about that brother. 463 00:29:12,085 --> 00:29:13,795 Do you... Did he ever share that with you? 464 00:29:13,879 --> 00:29:14,799 No, he did not. 465 00:29:15,923 --> 00:29:17,593 - Do you... - He didn't have to. 466 00:29:27,684 --> 00:29:28,734 So, what we're gonna do is, 467 00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:31,150 we're gonna dissect the Columbus story. 468 00:29:31,230 --> 00:29:33,900 You get the Columbus story at a time 469 00:29:33,982 --> 00:29:37,402 when you still believe in unicorns, 470 00:29:37,986 --> 00:29:42,196 and never-never land, and the Easter Bunny. 471 00:29:42,282 --> 00:29:44,912 What message are young minds being taught? 472 00:29:44,993 --> 00:29:46,833 Well, number one, they're taught 473 00:29:46,912 --> 00:29:48,542 that only white people can discover things. 474 00:29:48,622 --> 00:29:50,922 Number two, they're taught that history begins 475 00:29:50,999 --> 00:29:52,579 when white men enter the picture. 476 00:29:52,668 --> 00:29:55,498 And three, that you're supposed to respect some people, 477 00:29:55,587 --> 00:29:57,087 and give some people their props, 478 00:29:57,172 --> 00:29:59,302 whereas other people, you can ignore them. 479 00:29:59,883 --> 00:30:01,843 Everybody gets this story. 480 00:30:01,927 --> 00:30:02,967 And what it's doing is, 481 00:30:03,053 --> 00:30:06,393 it's prepping you to be a racist. 482 00:30:07,724 --> 00:30:11,694 To see things in racial terms, 483 00:30:11,770 --> 00:30:16,650 and to favor one race over other races. 484 00:30:17,317 --> 00:30:20,317 I have to be honest, man, I'm disappointed that 485 00:30:20,404 --> 00:30:24,454 we weren't able to get justice in the case of Bradley. 486 00:30:24,533 --> 00:30:26,453 - Mmm-hmm. - Um... 487 00:30:26,535 --> 00:30:28,285 What do we make of it all, you know? 488 00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:30,330 How do we understand that community there 489 00:30:30,414 --> 00:30:32,924 that really embraced him? 490 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,420 - You know what I mean? - Yeah. 491 00:30:34,501 --> 00:30:36,711 And see, for me, had it been somebody else, 492 00:30:36,795 --> 00:30:38,585 had it been somebody other than Malcolm, 493 00:30:38,672 --> 00:30:42,592 I think we probably could've gotten closer to justice. 494 00:30:43,218 --> 00:30:48,518 What is the culpability of someone like a William Bradley? 495 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:50,809 Is this a guy who was just manipulated? 496 00:30:50,893 --> 00:30:52,603 - In my opinion? - Yes. 497 00:30:52,686 --> 00:30:54,186 I hold them all accountable. 498 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,860 The five killers who participated in his actual assassination, 499 00:31:00,444 --> 00:31:02,824 the national leadership of the Nation of Islam, 500 00:31:02,905 --> 00:31:05,235 J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, 501 00:31:06,366 --> 00:31:10,786 the NYPD and their bossy people who were there at the assassination, 502 00:31:10,871 --> 00:31:12,541 and the NYPD in general, 503 00:31:12,623 --> 00:31:15,793 you know, who arrested two innocent men, 504 00:31:16,293 --> 00:31:18,093 all of them, to me... 505 00:31:18,170 --> 00:31:19,800 You know, if you're talking about justice, 506 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,630 all of them have to be held accountable 507 00:31:23,717 --> 00:31:25,547 for the assassination of Malcolm X. 508 00:31:28,138 --> 00:31:29,598 So you have to ask yourself, 509 00:31:29,681 --> 00:31:32,351 why is it in the Bureau's interest 510 00:31:32,434 --> 00:31:35,354 to not seek out the true killers? 511 00:31:35,854 --> 00:31:39,194 In the first place, the FBI is not a police organization. 512 00:31:39,274 --> 00:31:41,944 It is purely an investigative organization. 513 00:31:42,027 --> 00:31:45,527 The Bureau probably felt like it would raise questions 514 00:31:45,614 --> 00:31:47,574 about its own role, 515 00:31:47,658 --> 00:31:50,658 because it might open up some cans of worms 516 00:31:50,744 --> 00:31:53,464 that they would not want to have to deal with. 517 00:31:55,249 --> 00:31:56,919 It wasn't in their best interest 518 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,300 to identify the true killers of Malcolm X. 519 00:32:03,298 --> 00:32:04,878 I don't think there's a question 520 00:32:04,967 --> 00:32:07,887 of government complicity in Malcolm X's death. 521 00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:10,060 That the people who killed Malcolm 522 00:32:10,138 --> 00:32:12,468 were affiliated with the Nation of Islam 523 00:32:12,558 --> 00:32:14,058 is not in question. 524 00:32:14,142 --> 00:32:17,102 How those flames were fanned, 525 00:32:17,187 --> 00:32:19,567 how those tensions were exacerbated, 526 00:32:19,648 --> 00:32:22,318 or the role that 527 00:32:22,401 --> 00:32:25,571 federal powers that be played in this, 528 00:32:25,654 --> 00:32:26,994 I think is substantial. 529 00:32:28,282 --> 00:32:33,412 I don't know how you proportionately break down the culpability, 530 00:32:33,495 --> 00:32:35,205 but I've always been somebody 531 00:32:35,289 --> 00:32:38,459 who looked at those questions as "both-and" 532 00:32:38,542 --> 00:32:40,172 as opposed to "either-or." 533 00:32:49,511 --> 00:32:51,851 Mrs. Shabazz, can you open your eyes, please? 534 00:32:52,681 --> 00:32:54,311 You know, my mother didn't talk 535 00:32:54,391 --> 00:32:57,231 about the day that it happened. 536 00:33:00,397 --> 00:33:03,357 When she had four babies, 537 00:33:04,693 --> 00:33:06,533 she was pregnant with the twins, 538 00:33:07,237 --> 00:33:09,487 her home was firebombed a week prior. 539 00:33:10,407 --> 00:33:12,027 She was just a young woman. 540 00:33:12,993 --> 00:33:16,333 I think that, uh, he accomplished 541 00:33:17,581 --> 00:33:21,291 more than can be realized at this moment. 542 00:33:22,294 --> 00:33:26,634 You know, my mother would always show this very strong, 543 00:33:27,633 --> 00:33:30,303 invincible presentation of herself. 544 00:33:31,053 --> 00:33:34,103 It seems that after a person has died, 545 00:33:34,681 --> 00:33:37,681 he... He is reevaluated. 546 00:33:38,268 --> 00:33:42,728 But I think that the magnitude of his work 547 00:33:43,565 --> 00:33:46,395 will be felt around the world. 548 00:33:47,152 --> 00:33:49,862 When you look at those who were in power, 549 00:33:50,614 --> 00:33:54,164 they knew the plans to assassinate my father. 550 00:33:55,827 --> 00:33:58,577 To think that the assassination 551 00:33:58,664 --> 00:34:02,214 was just young people in the Nation of Islam 552 00:34:02,793 --> 00:34:06,303 who killed each other off is quite naive. 553 00:34:06,380 --> 00:34:08,630 - Thank you. 554 00:34:09,716 --> 00:34:12,426 My father knew that it was bigger than that. 555 00:34:31,613 --> 00:34:33,493 In the northern streets, 556 00:34:34,825 --> 00:34:36,195 of which we have a great many, 557 00:34:37,995 --> 00:34:41,455 Malcolm was, um, a kind of hero. 558 00:34:49,798 --> 00:34:54,388 And when he talked to the people in the streets, 559 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,219 he was the only person who was describing, 560 00:34:59,308 --> 00:35:01,558 making vivid, making a catalogue, 561 00:35:01,643 --> 00:35:03,773 of the actual situation of the American negro. 562 00:35:05,564 --> 00:35:08,364 And just say, when he talked about the situation 563 00:35:08,442 --> 00:35:12,152 in which we all find ourselves, the actual day-to-day situation 564 00:35:12,237 --> 00:35:14,817 of being a negro father, son or daughter, a negro woman, 565 00:35:14,907 --> 00:35:16,907 nobody could contest it, it was all true. 566 00:35:26,752 --> 00:35:29,962 And, um, and now he's gone. We don't know how. And... 567 00:35:32,132 --> 00:35:35,182 It's a very sinister event, that's all I can say, I don't... 568 00:35:36,011 --> 00:35:38,511 It's... It's terrifying. 569 00:36:04,414 --> 00:36:07,214 I have given many decades of my life 570 00:36:07,292 --> 00:36:10,002 to trying to pull the veil back 571 00:36:10,796 --> 00:36:14,506 from this mystery of who took the life of Malcolm X. 572 00:36:15,676 --> 00:36:19,296 You are not only honoring Malcolm in the sunshine 573 00:36:19,888 --> 00:36:21,268 but in the rain. 574 00:36:21,348 --> 00:36:22,848 With the work that you do 575 00:36:22,933 --> 00:36:26,653 in the name of El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz. 576 00:36:26,728 --> 00:36:31,528 Because that is how we truly honor Malcolm. 577 00:36:31,608 --> 00:36:34,438 People talk about Bradley's redemption, 578 00:36:34,528 --> 00:36:39,278 and no one really takes a full measure of the terrible toll 579 00:36:39,366 --> 00:36:44,076 that Malcolm's family experienced as a result of his loss. 580 00:36:45,414 --> 00:36:49,004 We thank almighty God, we thank almighty Allah, 581 00:36:49,084 --> 00:36:51,754 we thank Ummah, we thank the creator. 582 00:36:52,337 --> 00:36:56,427 But the more I got to see the full ramifications 583 00:36:56,508 --> 00:36:59,968 of Malcolm's death and how it impacted so many lives, 584 00:37:00,053 --> 00:37:02,013 innocent lives, 585 00:37:02,973 --> 00:37:06,103 then the matter became that much weightier. 586 00:37:08,228 --> 00:37:11,768 I won't let that go. I will not let it go. 587 00:37:19,656 --> 00:37:21,366 Watch the wire, watch the wire. Come on. 588 00:37:21,450 --> 00:37:23,790 There are two men who, for many years, 589 00:37:23,869 --> 00:37:27,079 had to live with the awful stigma 590 00:37:27,164 --> 00:37:29,174 of being the murderer of Malcolm X. 591 00:37:29,249 --> 00:37:30,879 Has he signed a statement, sir? 592 00:37:30,959 --> 00:37:34,589 Norman 3X Butler and Thomas 15X Johnson, 593 00:37:37,758 --> 00:37:41,758 these men, they had no part of it. 594 00:37:41,845 --> 00:37:44,845 They weren't even there. They are innocent. 595 00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:51,360 Thomas 15X Johnson, Khalil Islam, 596 00:37:51,438 --> 00:37:54,358 he died before he had a chance to clear his name. 597 00:37:55,943 --> 00:38:00,573 But Norman 3X Butler, Muhammad Aziz, he's still alive. 598 00:38:01,698 --> 00:38:03,618 - Damn, you look good, bro. - I'm working on it. 599 00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:06,410 Me and you look the same age, and I know we're not. 600 00:38:06,495 --> 00:38:08,405 You might have children that's my age. 601 00:38:08,497 --> 00:38:10,577 How many children did you have when you, uh, 602 00:38:10,666 --> 00:38:11,786 - when you went in? - Six. 603 00:38:11,875 --> 00:38:14,245 You had six kids? How old is your oldest? 604 00:38:14,336 --> 00:38:17,336 - Sixty-four. - You have a 64-year-old kid? 605 00:38:18,131 --> 00:38:20,681 - Are you serious? - Yeah. 606 00:38:20,759 --> 00:38:23,009 Wow. That's incredible how... 607 00:38:23,637 --> 00:38:27,267 You still... I mean, were you able to maintain a relationship 608 00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:29,389 with your kids when you were inside? Or did... 609 00:38:29,476 --> 00:38:31,056 - Not really. - Really? 610 00:38:31,144 --> 00:38:33,864 No, I didn't have a... No. 611 00:38:34,690 --> 00:38:35,650 Then how... I mean... 612 00:38:35,732 --> 00:38:37,402 Were you able to patch things up with them at all, 613 00:38:37,484 --> 00:38:39,704 - or reconnect? - My daughter. 614 00:38:39,778 --> 00:38:42,908 Yeah, I mean, peripherally, so to speak, 615 00:38:42,990 --> 00:38:44,450 - with my sons. - Okay. 616 00:38:44,533 --> 00:38:45,913 But my daughter, yeah. 617 00:38:45,993 --> 00:38:49,333 The reason I ask, because this is a major wound. 618 00:38:49,913 --> 00:38:53,333 But in 2010, they opened up something 619 00:38:53,417 --> 00:38:57,667 called the Conviction Integrity Unit. 620 00:39:00,799 --> 00:39:05,099 What this unit does, brother, is reexamine old cases. 621 00:39:05,762 --> 00:39:11,352 And if possible, exonerate those who were wrongfully convicted. 622 00:39:14,688 --> 00:39:16,648 I just don't believe in these people. 623 00:39:16,732 --> 00:39:18,862 I've got 20 years of my life to demonstrate 624 00:39:18,942 --> 00:39:20,362 that I shouldn't believe in them. 625 00:39:20,444 --> 00:39:22,864 - Well... - So, I'm not too sanguine about all this, 626 00:39:22,946 --> 00:39:24,156 to tell you the truth. 627 00:39:26,116 --> 00:39:27,026 I hear you. 628 00:39:31,330 --> 00:39:35,420 Look, I understand your drive and all that, 629 00:39:35,501 --> 00:39:36,961 I don't believe in these people. 630 00:39:37,044 --> 00:39:40,764 I believe there's a benefit in correcting the historical record. 631 00:39:41,590 --> 00:39:44,930 The history of your family. The history of who you were. 632 00:39:45,010 --> 00:39:47,300 Yeah, but this, all this is going, well... 633 00:39:47,387 --> 00:39:50,387 That's an injustice that follows you forever. 634 00:39:50,474 --> 00:39:53,274 I agree with all of that, so I mean, I hear you. 635 00:39:53,352 --> 00:39:56,312 I understand you, but I don't believe in them. 636 00:39:56,396 --> 00:39:58,476 I'm 81 years old next month. 637 00:39:59,066 --> 00:40:01,816 Whatever benefit could've come to me or accrued to me 638 00:40:01,902 --> 00:40:03,992 from all of this, I can't give it to my chil... 639 00:40:04,071 --> 00:40:06,161 Well, I can. Maybe somebody could give it to my children. 640 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:08,120 - I mean, if nothing else. - I think it would be important 641 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,830 - to your children. - Well, maybe... 642 00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:11,700 - Maybe all of this... - For your legacy of the Butler family. 643 00:40:11,787 --> 00:40:14,077 All of this is good for my children. 644 00:40:14,164 --> 00:40:18,094 It's just hard for me to believe them because these are lying people. 645 00:40:19,753 --> 00:40:20,963 But you won't stop me 646 00:40:21,046 --> 00:40:22,706 - from submitting this. - Oh, no, no. 647 00:40:22,798 --> 00:40:24,418 If you can get it, fine. Do it. 648 00:40:25,342 --> 00:40:27,342 - But I'm not saying... - Well, I'm gonna submit it. 649 00:40:27,427 --> 00:40:29,297 - Wonderful. - We're going to see. 650 00:40:31,306 --> 00:40:32,636 How would you feel? 651 00:40:32,724 --> 00:40:34,814 I have no idea. It's got to show up first. 652 00:40:37,896 --> 00:40:39,646 And when it shows up, I'll let you know. 653 00:40:40,566 --> 00:40:43,686 Whatever you want to do with it, I'll support you. 654 00:40:44,194 --> 00:40:45,324 Okay. 655 00:40:46,196 --> 00:40:47,736 - Hamdulillah. - Yeah. 656 00:40:47,823 --> 00:40:49,203 Hamdulillah, brother. 657 00:40:50,367 --> 00:40:51,737 We're gonna do our best. 658 00:40:52,327 --> 00:40:53,537 We're gonna do our best. 659 00:41:01,378 --> 00:41:03,458 The tree is a representation of life, 660 00:41:05,632 --> 00:41:08,722 power, structure, development, response. 661 00:41:10,762 --> 00:41:12,472 The branches respond to light. 662 00:41:15,392 --> 00:41:17,272 Light is metaphor for knowledge. 663 00:41:19,229 --> 00:41:21,979 If a branch is not getting enough light, it will bend and twist 664 00:41:22,065 --> 00:41:24,735 and do whatever it has to do to get light. 665 00:41:25,944 --> 00:41:29,164 And people should do the same thing, but they often don't. 666 00:42:06,026 --> 00:42:08,276 There's only one way to be independent. 667 00:42:09,238 --> 00:42:11,158 There's only one way to be free. 668 00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:14,409 It's not something that someone gives to you. 669 00:42:15,953 --> 00:42:17,413 It's something that you take. 670 00:42:19,414 --> 00:42:21,254 Nobody can give you independence. 671 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,790 Nobody can give you freedom. 672 00:42:24,878 --> 00:42:28,298 Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything! 673 00:42:29,049 --> 00:42:31,469 If you're a man, you take it. 674 00:42:34,054 --> 00:42:36,604 If you can't take it, you don't deserve it. 675 00:42:37,474 --> 00:42:39,064 Nobody can give it to you. 676 00:42:40,352 --> 00:42:42,482 I'm for anybody who's for freedom. 677 00:42:43,647 --> 00:42:45,687 I'm for anybody who's for justice. 678 00:42:46,441 --> 00:42:48,991 I'm for anybody who's for equality. 679 00:42:50,279 --> 00:42:53,739 I'm not for anybody who tells me to sit around and wait for mine. 56183

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