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Whiskey.
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Where's Oliver?
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Oliver. Come on.
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I helped pick the winners.
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I gave some tickets
to some friends of mine...
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And family members who needed it.
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I wanted them happy,
so
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I gave them things.
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I was gonna get the million dollars,
but I gave them to my father.
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And
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maybe if certain things never
happened...
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This Monopoly thing
would still be on today.
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It's true.
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MCMILLIONS
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With Shamrock Productions
and the "reunion of winners",
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I think some of them are legendary,
in terms of what was captured on film.
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Like Buddy Fisher and Mr. Hoover.
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Gloria Brown was an instant
million-dollar winner.
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She had won in South Carolina.
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Gloria had said her address was in
the Hilton Head area of South Carolina,
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but she was from Jacksonville, Florida.
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There was always something that
I was trying to drive out.
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I was trying to expand the BS that
they were trying to put out there,
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because I know AUSA Devereaux needs
a ground ball, boy needs something easy.
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I'm kidding. He's good at his job.
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It has been a decade, but I enjoyed it.
First time, yes.
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So, when you were in South Carolina,
what kind of work did you do there?
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- I was unemployed at that time...
- Oh, you were unemployed?
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But I am a social worker.
I just was taking a break from...
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...stress.
I'm not doing it anymore, thank God.
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- So, you were a social worker here?
- Yeah.
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Did you have family up in South
Carolina? Why did you move up there?
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No, most of my family's here.
I had a friend, personal friend
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and another friend,
a couple of friends there, that...
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Basically what I was doing was a lot of
visiting, job searching at that time...
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You know, trying to relocate.
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One thing that struck me was that
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Ms. Brown wasn't as open and friendly
as Mr. Hoover was.
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She seemed to be on guard,
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whether or not she suspected
something was awry or not.
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She just wasn't as forthcoming.
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What I'd like you to do, Gloria, is
take us through what a normal day
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was for you, in Hilton Head.
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We wanna show these are regular
people that are winning this money.
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- It's a family place.
- Yes.
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Well, in Hilton Head, during that time,
I was living with a friend, of course,
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and trying to job hunt. And right now,
I have my own agenda.
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I have my patients to care for.
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I'm busy.
Today, I'm taking a trip and...
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Day to day, I work seven days a week,
basically I'm on call all the time.
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So, compared to back then
and to now,
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I would say that
McDonald's have made it so that
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I can just lie without any stress.
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- So, how long did you live there for?
- A little over a year, back and forth.
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Many of the winners were saying
they lived in one area,
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but then, had a post office box where
they would have their winnings sent to,
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so they would set up fake addresses.
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A lot of the evidence that I was
gathering was around where they lived,
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exactly what store they won
the McDonald's Monopoly piece at.
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Doug, anything else we need to get
about South Carolina for the story?
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So, I said,
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"Gloria, do you remember the McDonald's
where you went to claim the prize?"
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"Absolutely. This is a picture."
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We took a picture of it
and put it on this board.
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Then she said,
"Oh, my God, that's exactly the one."
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And I said, "You know what,
can you autograph that for us?"
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If you could just write,
"Thanks, McDonald's."
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- No, thanks a million.
- Thanks a million.
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That's good. Thanks a million.
That's good. And then, sign it.
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That picture that she signed, it was
not in Hilton Head, South Carolina.
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It was Jacksonville, Florida.
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Gloria, do you recall the person that
you spoke to at the counter when you...
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No, I sure don't.
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The fake address
was a part of the scheme.
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Rick had this surveillance photo of a
McDonald's right there in Jacksonville.
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And I go, "Oh, my God, that's perfect."
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So I take it with me. "What are you
gonna do?" I said, "I'm gonna use it.
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Wait and see. I'm gonna show you."
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And as she's doing it,
Amy, she's like,
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"Oh, my God, that's just...
That's not it."
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And I'm looking over,
starting to get louder,
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and I'm like, I'm looking back at her,
"Do you want that here?
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They're almost... you can hear that."
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That's perfect, thank you so much.
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Every time I talk to them,
they would just lie, lie, lie.
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And it was perfect for the FBI because
it was really building evidence.
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But we also wanted to make sure that
it seemed like we were having fun,
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because once again, that's how
it would be at a real shoot.
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Now, what I want you to do is take us
through... "I got my million dollars
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and I took it to this McDonald's
in Hilton Head, South Carolina.
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And it made me..." Then stand up real
slowly and point to your star.
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Okay.
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Doug brought a lot of that energy.
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I know it sounds cheesy, but...
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It looks good when you cut it together.
Here you are up here.
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We loved doing goofy stuff.
We can't help ourselves.
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That's typical Mathews.
That's what he would do.
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Thanks a million, McDonald's.
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Okay. Look right in the camera
and say it right there.
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Thanks a million, McDonald's.
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And it was hard sometimes to keep
a straight face, to be honest with you.
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It was very hard, what we were doing
with the light meter or the camera,
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or in sitting them and fixing them up,
we had no idea.
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I got my McDonald's millions... million
at Hilton Head in South Carolina.
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And it made me a...
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millionaire.
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That's cute.
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- Now, pretty close.
- Pretty close. Okay.
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What I figured out in an early age
in the bureau is you push it,
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and then, you think it's...
you keep pushing.
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You never know when you're gonna hit
a wall. I never found the bottom.
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The bottomless was tea glass, right?
It's perfect for me. Just keep going.
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And, of course, she did.
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Ronald and I was...
Ro...
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That's okay. No problem.
Take your time.
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Ronald and I will see you in Vegas.
Thank you, McDonald's.
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See, she's a pro. She's good.
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We knew it was such good evidence,
having Gloria sitting here
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just making the story up,
and doing it with this fake sincerity.
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As a criminal investigator,
it was an awesome thing to behold.
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There were so many different layers of
the conspiracy we were investigating,
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and the more sophisticated a scheme,
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the more difficult it is
to prosecute the case.
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Now you have actual video production
that you can show a jury
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that's very powerful.
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By this time,
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literally almost the whole office now,
or a big majority of them,
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have been diverted to work on
what we call Operation Final Answer.
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We worked seven days a week
on a regular basis.
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But at times,
it did not feel like work.
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You had great camaraderie between
all of the agents that were working it,
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and we knew the mission is,
what we were trying to accomplish,
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was a noble one and a good one.
So, nobody ever complained about it.
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Things were moving fast. And naturally,
we always want to move at our pace.
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We wanna control the timing of things,
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and we did not have that luxury.
The game was running,
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the clock was running on how long
we could keep it a secret.
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Throughout this, we were really, really
racking up incredible evidence.
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Discovering new people, proving all
elements of what was going on.
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And we kind of knew the process of
how these were placed,
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but the one thing that was still out
there
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was
how is Jerry Jacobson doing this?
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That was kind of this
nagging question mark.
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What we had to vet out here is,
who was helping Jerry?
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Hilda Bennett was the CPA
that would travel
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with Mr. Jacobson
to these various manufacturing plants
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and we didn't know,
are they in cahoots?
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On an investigation,
you just don't cut somebody out.
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And so,
we had to surveil Ms. Bennett as well.
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- You want cheese?
- Yup.
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Hi, I need to get a large coffee
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with ten cream and five sugar.
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- Anything else?
- Yup. Another large coffee...
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- With ten cream and five Equal.
- Okay.
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- That is Equal?
- Yup.
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- Thank you. Have a great day.
- Thank you.
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Oh, it's perfect.
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The one time I've seen Uncle Jerry
was up in Georgia.
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My brother went to go and visit.
I stayed in the car.
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I didn't get out of the car because
he didn't directly involve me,
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because he was always
trying to protect me.
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But giving you a little taste
at the same time.
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I guess so. Yeah, yeah.
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Uncle Jerry was a middle-aged guy.
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Just normal average height,
normal average build. But
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size doesn't matter. Like my dad
always used to say and still does say,
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as long as this works, that's all I
need. One finger. And it's the truth.
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- And the family that's backing you.
- And the family. That's a big thing.
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Jerome was getting the tickets.
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But when it came to...
dispersing the tickets
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I don't think he had the resources
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to do the big one-million-dollar hits
everywhere.
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I think that's where my brother
took the reins of everything.
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So, Uncle Jerry was getting the tickets
and selling them to my brother.
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And then, my brother would sell them
to other people.
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And it was just, literally,
it was a monopoly of scams.
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THE DEAL
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Every ticket was a little different.
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The agreement with Uncle Jerry was
depending on the value of the ticket.
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The million-dollar tickets
were going for 50 grand.
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Uncle Jerry would get the 50, and my
brother would get half of whoever won.
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And so, if they got the payments for
20 years and so forth, he'd get half,
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and then, the winner would get half.
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So it was a better deal for my brother,
long-term, than it was for Uncle Jerry.
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I really didn't think much of it
because someone had to win.
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So, in my brother's eyes, it was,
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"Instead of Joe Schmoe winning,
I'm gonna make John Schmoe win."
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The money is still gonna go somewhere.
He was just redirecting it.
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The one-million-dollar ticket was
supposed to be our wedding gift.
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We were married November 24, 1997.
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- 1996.
- 1996.
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Let's start that over again.
Cut that. Cut that.
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Oops. I'm getting my ass kicked
tonight. Okay.
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But that was gonna be our gift,
a wedding gift, free of charge.
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We didn't have to buy it.
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The McDonald's piece was end one of the
little, I guess, you'd call them eggs,
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like you kids get toys
in the gumball machines.
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It was in there in the back of the
freezer, underneath two ice cube trays.
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I remember exactly how it sat.
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- It was just chilling.
- It was just chilling.
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I always looked up to my brother,
he was my protector, pretty much.
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He would always come to visit me and
throw me a couple thousand dollars,
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it was me giving away
a couple dollars to the kids.
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This is our son Frankie, he dropped
about a 150,000 thousand dollars,
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and we just decided to take a picture,
it was kind of funny.
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I was so upset over that picture.
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Because it was such dirty money
around such a clean perfect baby.
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It was pretty crazy,
but with that comes a price.
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Put it this way. Uncle Jerry calling
my home at least three times a week,
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to tell Jerry what we had to do next.
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And he and I will talk sometimes
30 minutes, and most 45 minutes
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and my husband would meet him
in Atlanta.
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I don't know how many people
he hooked up.
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It was way more than I thought it was.
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My brother had a lot of connections
all over the place
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because he had night clubs
and certain things he was doing
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that I can't mention because the FBI's
gonna watch this tape someday.
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But there was a lot of things
that he was in to.
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So my brother started expanding to
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in-laws, and brother-in-laws,
and friends, and friends of friends
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and that's how he took this little
small operation, and made it huge.
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I was working at the airlines
in Jacksonville here,
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and a passenger came
for a name Colombo.
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Right off the bat, he was very
personable and a gentleman.
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My last name was Italian,
so he seemed to take a liking to me.
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First thing he said to me was like,
"Here's some money go eat. Go eat."
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And I just thought that was so funny
because that's how Italians are,
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and it just made me feel at ease
with him, that this is a good person.
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I never knew he was married, I didn't
really care because I didn't really
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have any relationship on that level
in my mind, anyways.
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One day, we were just driving around,
and he says,
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"I wanna show you something."
So we pulled over...
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And he reaches around the backseat,
and he pulls out the winning pieces.
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It was, like, the whole thing,
it's a hundred thousand dollars.
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And I was like, "Wow. So many people
are trying to win this thing
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and you're sitting here
with all four pieces."
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"If you're interested," he says,
"just walk in McDonald's,
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and this is what you got to do,
and this is it how it rolls."
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He goes, "I'll give you 20,000 now,
and another 10,000 later."
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And I thought,
"Wow, that's a lot of money."
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I could go buy me a car,
I could go do some stuff...
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Because back then I'm working
at the airlines, what am I making?
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10 dollars an hour, and I was game for
something exhilarating.
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So, he had me fly to Philly. Being with
the airlines, I could do that.
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And he picked me up at the airport,
we drove right to McDonald's
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and I didn't have to think for myself.
Just follow the script.
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And that's exactly what I did.
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And I was just like, "I am the winner."
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And he's like, "So you're the winner?"
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It was just too easy.
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But I didn't know
the aftermath that was to follow.
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Because there was things that nobody
knew, and I just kept it all in myself.
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My husband, he picked the winners,
but he kept picking Italians
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on the East Coast. They were kind of
being stupid about it.
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Somebody was bound to get suspicious.
So, I told my husband,
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"I've got a friend in Jacksonville.
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Bring some women into it,
and women of color."
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My name is Gloria Brown-Byer,
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and I live in Jacksonville.
I've been here all my life.
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I didn't wanna be interviewed anymore.
I don't wanna talk to anybody else
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about the McDonald's thing.
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Because it was... a whole lot.
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I was the McDonald's
million-dollar winner.
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And this is the first time that
I had an opportunity
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to just say,
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"Okay. I'mma lay all my cards
on the table and to tell everything."
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Even though my sister was there,
she don't know all the details.
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She'll be hearing this for the first
time herself, some of that stuff.
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I have a son,
and I raised him as a single parent.
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He, as a child, was very understanding.
We had a relationship, where
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if money was not available,
I discuss it with him,
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and we worked it out together.
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I always had to work and I always
managed to keep a job,
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but it was always a struggle.
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Years passed by, and I didn't see Robin
for some years, and
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when she called me,
she told me she had got married.
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And thinking maybe now she has
somebody that can look out for her,
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and she was very happy
being with Jerry.
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I think it was in '97.
Robin had called me and said
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she wanted to discuss with me, but we
couldn't talk about it over the phone.
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So, Jerry asked me to come and visit.
It was at their home in South Carolina.
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My first impression of Jerry Colombo
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was that he was a real-life
comedian-type guy and...
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He treated me just
like I had been around the whole time.
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But the things that bothered me is that
there was never any time that
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she and I could be alone,
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even when we went shopping,
he went shopping with us.
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One night, I just said, "Can you
just leave us alone for a few minutes?
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Turn, Jerry."
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And then, he left us alone, just for
a few minutes, and he came back.
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We were not allowed to really discuss
anything.
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Finally, he talked to me
about a proposition,
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and it was a proposition
that would help me.
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He asked me, "Was I familiar with
the McDonald's game piece?"
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And I said, "Yes."
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So, he said
people appear to be winners.
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This is how it's always been done.
And then,
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he told me that he would let me know
what the next step was.
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When I first got the offer
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I thought to myself,
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that it was a blessing
that came knocking at my door.
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And I was going to church and I was
trying to do the right thing.
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And my son was young.
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I was making probably about
$24,000 a year. it was just...
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By the time taxes and stuff
come out, there's really nothing.
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And I just wanted a better life, and I
just feel like this is my opportunity.
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And I say, "Well, this couldn't come
to me if it wasn't meant for me."
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My brother was always joking around,
always making people laugh,
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very light-hearted.
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But if you pissed him off,
then he can have a temper as well.
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But he never was the type of person
who would grab you or threaten you,
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or rough you up.
You knew, if he looked at you,
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when he told you exactly what he wanted
you to do, you knew you had to do it.
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The whole relationship changed.
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it got to the point that I didn't talk
to Robin anymore.
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I only talked to Jerry Colombo.
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I finally got the information from him
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that I was gonna be
a million-dollar winner,
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and that he needed me to come up with
some money. And I'm asking him, "Why?"
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Then he said, "Everybody that wins
had to give some upfront money."
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And I'm like, "How much?"
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And he asked me, how much
could I come up with?
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I said, "I really don't have
any money." So, he said,
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"So can you get money off
your house?"
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Can't back out now,
he's told me too much.
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I mortgaged my home
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to get my upfront money.
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I put all the stuff I worked hard for
on the line,
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because I believed
this was my blessing.
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I met him on the side of the road
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and gave him
my first portion of my money.
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It felt like something had just been
ripped from me.
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To meet somebody
on the side of the road
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and give them cash money
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that much at one time...
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That's more than I ever had in my hand
at one time in my life.
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And I just had to give it all away.
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I just felt that I just had given
my life away
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and I'm giving it to somebody
I don't know much about.
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Can I even trust this guy?
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00:26:24,460 --> 00:26:28,510
Before my husband was working
the Monopoly fraud game,
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we had my son,
Francesco Gennaro Colombo.
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Say hi to the camera, Frankie.
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Hi, camera.
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00:26:41,940 --> 00:26:44,650
- Hi, camera.
- Bye, camera.
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00:26:44,730 --> 00:26:46,940
- Easy.
- Basketball.
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00:26:47,030 --> 00:26:49,610
- Basketball.
- Yeah, I think he wants...
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00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:52,990
I was at times really very happy.
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I had my son,
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I have some money. I should've at least
been having a good time.
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But I was never satisfied ever.
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00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:07,460
I went from home to home, thinking
that one was gonna make it better.
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00:27:07,550 --> 00:27:11,720
You don't have friends, you can't bring
friends in that lifestyle.
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00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,640
Even though I adored my husband,
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I found out he had a mistress
on the side,
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which I guess is a prerequisite of an
Italian gangster to have a mistress.
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00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:35,910
I was walking down the hallway to check
on Frankie, while he was sleeping,
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when I heard my husband
on the telephone
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saying...
some unsavory words to her.
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00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,340
And I barged in, I said,
"Who the hell are you talking to?"
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00:27:49,420 --> 00:27:52,510
Then I took the phone from him
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00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,600
and slammed it across his face.
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00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,680
They did get in a lot of fights.
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00:27:58,770 --> 00:28:01,770
She would say a lot of mean
nasty things to him,
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00:28:01,850 --> 00:28:05,980
she was very abusive as far as
physical, slapping, and so on.
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00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:08,820
Robin will just try swinging
and clawing at him.
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00:28:08,980 --> 00:28:11,610
And he would grab her hands and say,
"Stop. Stop. Stop it."
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00:28:17,490 --> 00:28:22,580
Anytime I threaten to leave him,
Uncle Jerry would step in...
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Send 15 grand, buy me a car,
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whatever to appease me.
And...
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So I wouldn't leave.
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00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:43,310
My brother was always making money
and he was never home.
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He always had an excuse to go
somewhere, to go on a business trip.
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00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,820
So I knew he wasn't happy.
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00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:53,400
During the Monopoly situation
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my brother wanted to open up a club
in Ladson County, South Carolina.
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I believe he was trying to get away
from the life of crime
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00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:05,080
and he was trying to make
a legitimate business.
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00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,290
So he opened up a place called
the Fuzzy Bunny.
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00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:11,630
The Fuzzy Bunny opened its doors
just a half hour ago,
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00:29:11,710 --> 00:29:15,590
opening the doors
to a steamy controversy. Gurnal?
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00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,800
Debbie, we are here at the Fuzzy Bunny
which is located on Highway 78 in Royal
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just down the road from
the Fairgrounds in Ladson.
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And the entertainment and the dancing
have begun here at the club.
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00:29:27,770 --> 00:29:31,150
And he had some dancers.
They were wearing bikini tops.
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00:29:31,230 --> 00:29:33,860
- And pasties and shorts.
- It was not full nudity.
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00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:35,400
He wanted to do classy places.
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00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:38,360
- He had his morals.
- Yeah, he had his morals.
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00:29:38,530 --> 00:29:43,700
I got girls in Daisy Dukes, Tops. I got
volleyball courts being built outside.
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00:29:43,790 --> 00:29:47,460
I have live concerts here on the
weekends. And that's about it really.
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00:29:47,540 --> 00:29:49,290
He wanted to make a gentleman's club.
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00:29:49,460 --> 00:29:53,130
His goal was to open up four,
five of these all through Hilton Head
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and North and South Carolina.
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00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,470
The county kept on fighting him,
and fighting him, and fighting him.
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00:29:58,630 --> 00:30:01,470
They kept on shutting him down
for this permit, that permit.
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00:30:01,550 --> 00:30:06,270
- That's not gonna stop you from that?
- No. My attorney told me we can...
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00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:07,980
Whatever we got to do, we're gonna do.
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00:30:08,060 --> 00:30:11,610
I'm out here trying to earn a living
for my family just like you are.
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00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:13,730
I was proud of him for actually
doing something legal for once.
400
00:30:13,820 --> 00:30:16,490
And one time he tried to do something
legit.
401
00:30:16,650 --> 00:30:19,030
Some people have already trickled into
the establishment here.
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00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:21,820
"Coming Soon, Fuzzy Bunnies".
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00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:24,240
I hate it so much.
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00:30:24,330 --> 00:30:29,290
And I told my husband, "I know you.
You couldn't just open a club.
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00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:35,090
You have to try them out."
And I told him to stop.
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00:30:35,250 --> 00:30:38,340
There's an existing court order
and the club cannot be opened.
407
00:30:41,220 --> 00:30:44,560
Three months later,
I thought he had sold it or whatever.
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00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,390
So no more Fuzzy Bunny.
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00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,650
And then one night,
my son and I went out to dinner.
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00:30:51,730 --> 00:30:56,110
He was like about two years old.
We're driving down the road
411
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,530
and I passed Fuzzy Bunny. I looked and
there's a bunch of guys and I'm like,
412
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:02,910
"Damn, there's my car."
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00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:05,870
I got a little closer and I said,
"There's my big, fat husband."
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00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,920
And I turned around and I jumped up
on the curb, and...
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00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:19,170
And Jerry, he was sitting back,
a big fat cat on the phone.
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00:31:19,340 --> 00:31:21,970
And I just punched him
right in the jaw.
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00:31:22,050 --> 00:31:25,720
I said, "You are so divorced."
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00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:28,600
All the guys are just staying in there
and just staring.
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00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,690
And I said, "You're going down.
All you motherfuckers are going down.
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00:31:32,770 --> 00:31:35,730
Every single one of you.
I'm going to the FBI."
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00:31:35,820 --> 00:31:38,980
I said, "I'm going to Witness
Protection Program."
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00:31:39,070 --> 00:31:41,280
I said, "So, just watch out."
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00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:49,950
So I go to a payphone,
I called my parents.
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00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,960
And I said, "Mom,
I need you to take two names down.
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00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,380
She goes,
"What the hell have you done?"
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00:31:55,460 --> 00:32:00,130
I said, "Well, I just threatened
three goons with the FBI
427
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:02,880
so if you won't hear from me
a couple days,
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00:32:02,970 --> 00:32:06,050
you are to contact them
and give them these names."
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00:32:06,140 --> 00:32:10,140
And Uncle Jerry was on that list.
430
00:32:11,390 --> 00:32:16,020
They meet me home, my husband
and two big-ass goons.
431
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,070
And I said,
"This is what I want.
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00:32:19,150 --> 00:32:23,820
I want a moving truck here
and a divorce."
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00:32:26,030 --> 00:32:30,660
He goes, "Robin, you're never leaving
me. There is no divorce.
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00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:33,660
You're stuck with me."
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00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:38,540
So I called Uncle Jerry. And he says,
"You married the wrong guy."
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00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:42,970
And he asked me to marry him.
437
00:32:43,050 --> 00:32:46,340
- Yeah.
- Hold on. Really?
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00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:48,050
Yeah.
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00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:54,230
And I told him, "No." And I thought
I'm never gonna get out of this.
440
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:59,480
So, I stayed. But
I was a prisoner in my own home.
441
00:33:17,540 --> 00:33:21,590
Jerry Colombo told me that I had to
have the South Carolina address.
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00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:26,180
And he had a cousin
that lived at this particular spot
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00:33:26,260 --> 00:33:29,180
and this was gonna be my address.
444
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:32,970
And at that point, I'm like, "Oh, gosh.
445
00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:36,560
This is what I was expecting."
446
00:33:38,650 --> 00:33:45,240
He coached me on some things I needed
to say and work on, and believe.
447
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,370
I had to leave my voice on the
voicemail as if it was my home.
448
00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:53,740
Hi, this is Gloria. Leave a message
and I'll get back with you.
449
00:33:53,910 --> 00:33:57,210
He made me do it until I got it right.
450
00:33:57,290 --> 00:34:01,340
Well, he wanted the right tone,
you know. It had to be happy.
451
00:34:02,170 --> 00:34:07,340
One of the things that constantly
crossed my mind is that
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00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:10,010
my life was in danger.
453
00:34:10,090 --> 00:34:14,770
I had no other option
but to take this process through.
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00:34:16,270 --> 00:34:21,480
Robin knew all of my family and my son.
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00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:28,400
I kind of felt like I was trapped, that
it was no way out but to go through it.
456
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:33,200
When time to turn the game piece in,
he picked me up.
457
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,540
Two men,
didn't know either one of them.
458
00:34:36,620 --> 00:34:40,330
I almost felt kidnapped in a sense,
you know what I'm saying? It's like,
459
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:45,210
"You're gonna ride with us
and you're gonna do what we say.
460
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:47,340
And you're gonna do it right."
461
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,180
All the way there,
Jerry Colombo never stopped talking,
462
00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:54,430
telling me what to do
and what you're gonna say.
463
00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:57,100
He was just drilling me,
and how you're gonna do it.
464
00:34:57,270 --> 00:35:03,020
And he drove me to the McDonald's that
they had picked out I was gonna go to.
465
00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:07,030
He parked the car in the comer.
466
00:35:07,110 --> 00:35:12,320
The ticket was in a little valve
about this tall with a cap on it.
467
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:19,750
There I was walking down this block
in a place I had never been before.
468
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:23,710
It was like bank robbery. They on the
block there, they don't wanna be seen.
469
00:35:23,790 --> 00:35:26,710
They down the street, the getaway car.
470
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,420
And I'm like,
"Oh, Lord this could go so bad."
471
00:35:32,010 --> 00:35:34,600
A lot of things
are going through my mind.
472
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:39,600
Am I gonna lie enough
to be believable?
473
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,020
Am I going to mess up
and then I'm in trouble?
474
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:50,030
All kind of stuff was... Am I going to
jail today behind this foolishness?
475
00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:55,320
And then at this point in time,
I was about to panic.
476
00:35:55,490 --> 00:36:00,330
And I'm saying to myself,
"Oh, Lord Jesus."
477
00:36:00,410 --> 00:36:03,670
I wanted to cry
before I got into the place,
478
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:07,750
and I said,
"No, you can't go in there upset."
479
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,800
I had not be Gloria that time.
480
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:15,090
I had to become somebody else
to make it believable.
481
00:36:21,770 --> 00:36:23,350
Here we go.
482
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,110
And I had to go in
and stand to this counter
483
00:36:30,190 --> 00:36:33,820
and tell them that it looked like
I've been a winner.
484
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:37,870
The manager came out, said,
"Have a seat."
485
00:36:37,950 --> 00:36:40,450
And I had to give them my information,
486
00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:44,710
the fake telephone number,
the fake address.
487
00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:30,500
And then they finally came out
and congratulated me.
488
00:37:30,590 --> 00:37:33,590
The manager at the McDonald's,
the cashiers,
489
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:39,890
everybody running around happy they
got the winner come to their McDonald's.
490
00:37:40,890 --> 00:37:44,520
And there I was, I couldn't even
put a smile on my face.
491
00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:53,280
By the time I got back to the car,
Jerry Colombo was having a fit.
492
00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:58,110
Because it took too long.
493
00:37:59,070 --> 00:38:02,030
And there he was,
as soon as I get in the car,
494
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,910
"Okay. What took you so long?"
Then I had explained to him.
495
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,710
"What were you doing all that time?"
"I was sitting and waiting, you know?"
496
00:38:11,460 --> 00:38:15,880
"What did they tell you?" So they told
me they'd be getting back with me.
497
00:38:18,220 --> 00:38:23,220
I hung around another day
and then I came back to Jacksonville.
498
00:38:23,310 --> 00:38:29,020
And went back to work like nothing
had happened, and I just had to wait.
499
00:38:32,730 --> 00:38:34,980
They don't wanna see this club open up.
500
00:38:35,070 --> 00:38:38,200
Now anybody in the Ladson knows that
place has been about 50 years.
501
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,950
It's been a biker club. It's been
a night club. It's been a lounge.
502
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:46,290
My brother would use loophole
after loophole, after loophole,
503
00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:49,000
and then he finally came up
with one that was saying
504
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:55,210
you can't have female dancers within a
thousand feet of a school or something.
505
00:38:55,300 --> 00:39:00,340
So, he turned the Fuzzy Bunny
into the Church of Fuzzy Bunny.
506
00:39:00,510 --> 00:39:02,930
The Church of Fuzzy Bunny's...
507
00:39:03,090 --> 00:39:05,510
The transformation of their club
into a church.
508
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,640
Dancing girls, alcoholic drinks
and the Bible?
509
00:39:09,730 --> 00:39:11,730
Low country preacher say
the switch
510
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:17,320
from Fuzzy Bunny Club to Fuzzy Bunny
Church is nothing but blasphemy.
511
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,450
I really honestly didn't see
the big deal in it.
512
00:39:20,530 --> 00:39:24,870
I swear. And I'm a woman but
I really didn't see the huge deal.
513
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:27,620
Those two don't mix
as far as I'm concerned,
514
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:31,210
church and strip joints just don't mix.
515
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:34,500
They can't fool people. No good people
is gonna be going in that place.
516
00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:36,540
I don't see nothing with having a place
where you can come in,
517
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:40,590
say a few prayers, have a couple drinks
see some women dancing.
518
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,590
He liked to be the center of attention.
519
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,970
And if you messed with him, he would
just play that game as long as it took.
520
00:39:47,140 --> 00:39:50,310
Mary Anne, you're next on the line
with Jerry Colombo.
521
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:51,810
- Go ahead, Mary Anne.
- Yes.
522
00:39:51,980 --> 00:39:56,820
I think what this is
an abomination to God.
523
00:39:56,900 --> 00:40:02,280
And it's wrong in the eyes of God. And
really, it's wrong in morals, too.
524
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,860
- All right.
- Thank you.
525
00:40:04,030 --> 00:40:07,160
God hasn't talked to you lately. He came
to me in a dream couple weeks ago
526
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:09,580
and he told me
what I'm doing is fine.
527
00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:13,330
You say that with somewhat of a smirk
on your face. You had to have...
528
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:15,460
I did have a dream one night,
that's why.
529
00:40:15,540 --> 00:40:18,000
We all have dreams. I don't know
if it's divine or religion, but...
530
00:40:18,090 --> 00:40:20,010
This one's divine.
531
00:40:20,170 --> 00:40:22,300
- We never wept.
- No.
532
00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:24,430
But it sounded like a fun time, though.
533
00:40:24,510 --> 00:40:28,640
- A little prayer, little pasties.
- Right?
534
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,020
All the publicity that has come out of
this situation with Fuzzy Bunny's
535
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:37,690
has earned owner Jerry Colombo notice
from The National Inquirer,
536
00:40:37,770 --> 00:40:40,780
Comedy Central, the cable channel,
and this Friday
537
00:40:40,860 --> 00:40:44,900
he has a scheduled guest appearance
for The David Letterman Show.
538
00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:50,370
Do you think that Jerome Jacobson
was angry at your Jerry,
539
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:52,540
for the attention that
he was getting for it?
540
00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:55,290
Oh, yeah. Yes.
541
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:57,710
Jerry Colombo won a Dodge Viper.
542
00:40:57,790 --> 00:41:02,550
Jerry Colombo.
Jerry Colombo.
543
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:17,230
This is my first letter of
congratulation.
544
00:41:17,310 --> 00:41:20,440
They are congratulating me for being
a million-dollar winner
545
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:26,650
and explaining to me that I'll be
getting $50,000 for
546
00:41:26,740 --> 00:41:28,820
the next 20 years.
547
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,450
The check came in the mail
548
00:41:32,540 --> 00:41:36,040
which they went to my fake address
and Jerry brought it to me.
549
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,380
And I told him the deposits check,
and then he saying,
550
00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:45,550
"You didn't get any cash off of it?"
"No, they got to put a hold on it."
551
00:41:45,630 --> 00:41:49,590
Well, during that time,
my bank account was always though.
552
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,930
I had to go back to the bank
and insist on getting something.
553
00:41:56,230 --> 00:42:00,610
So I got $2,000 and I gave it to him.
554
00:42:00,690 --> 00:42:06,900
When it did clear, he was calling me
to add to the 2,000 and make it 25.
555
00:42:06,990 --> 00:42:12,700
So I just took the money
and gave it to him.
556
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:14,740
And I didn't say any questions.
557
00:42:14,910 --> 00:42:20,330
He worked out a deal where
what I had he took,
558
00:42:20,420 --> 00:42:25,630
and for the first five years,
I had to give them...
559
00:42:26,670 --> 00:42:31,050
Give Jerry Colombo $25,000.
560
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:39,640
Nothing changed for me.
Never acted like I have money.
561
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:45,860
Because I was in a deeper hole
than where I was before I did it.
562
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:47,900
Took my mortgage up high of course,
563
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:52,160
and I went from paying $307 a month
to a thousand dollars.
564
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:57,450
So I was just like... That's when
I found out about the taxes.
565
00:42:57,950 --> 00:43:03,130
Jerry Colombo got $25,000
each time before taxes.
566
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,470
I didn't go out and buy anything.
567
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:16,010
I couldn't buy anything.
I was so stressed.
568
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,770
Well, Jerry Colombo always got to
consult with the head man,
569
00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:22,600
let me call Uncle Jerry.
570
00:43:22,690 --> 00:43:27,900
Uncle Jerry
is being reported to about everything.
571
00:43:27,980 --> 00:43:33,530
During that time I felt like
Uncle Jerry was the main mob man.
572
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:39,580
Within that first year, McDonald's
wanted me to do all this publicity,
573
00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:42,870
but I just couldn't get into it.
574
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,090
Jerry Colombo's thing was
they want you to advertise
575
00:43:47,170 --> 00:43:51,840
because you are the first black,
and you're a female.
576
00:43:53,470 --> 00:43:55,850
And you got the million dollars.
577
00:43:55,930 --> 00:44:00,060
And I'm saying to myself, yeah, but...
578
00:44:00,140 --> 00:44:03,230
I don't wanna keep talking to people
and telling the story
579
00:44:03,390 --> 00:44:06,270
over and over
and over and over and over.
580
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,690
But he said, I had to do this.
581
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:11,940
We stayed in the Four Seasons.
582
00:44:12,030 --> 00:44:15,320
That was the first time I could order
what I wanted from the menu
583
00:44:15,490 --> 00:44:17,830
and not worry about the tab.
584
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:22,250
When the girl took so long to come out,
I said, "This must be real."
585
00:44:22,330 --> 00:44:26,170
So it's just...
all this is beginning to set in.
586
00:44:26,250 --> 00:44:30,760
I just don't know how to describe it,
it's indescribable.
587
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,380
The best part about it,
588
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:36,390
the whole thing is that I got a chance
to meet Jeremy.
589
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:44,270
The marketing company,
they had a big celebration,
590
00:44:44,350 --> 00:44:47,440
it was sort of like a promotion type
thing and Jerry Colombo said,
591
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,400
"Uncle Jerry gonna be in the audience."
592
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,690
And I'm like, "Oh, my God."
593
00:44:53,820 --> 00:44:55,200
So...
594
00:44:56,030 --> 00:45:00,450
They had a big check for me to hold,
take a picture,
595
00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:01,950
and then they say, "Speak."
596
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:07,330
I'm like, "Oh, here I go, more lies."
597
00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:13,510
I was counting out of it,
I could hear the cameras going.
598
00:45:13,590 --> 00:45:17,430
The whole time I'm thinking about
this mob man in the audience.
599
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:23,310
Never seeing a picture of him,
didn't know who I was looking for
600
00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:27,770
but I kept looking to see
which one it could be.
601
00:45:27,940 --> 00:45:32,780
After that, I thought I just told them,
"I don't wanna do anything else.
602
00:45:33,860 --> 00:45:39,240
Don't put me out to do anything else."
603
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:44,120
Jerry Colombo said, "Uncle Jerry was
in the crowd, he said you did great."
604
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,040
It just was little things like that
that made sure I guess
605
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:56,670
I stayed on my toes and did
what I needed to do into a proper.
606
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,260
So I was still under that web
the whole time.
607
00:46:01,350 --> 00:46:04,430
I didn't know where to turn,
I didn't know what to do,
608
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,270
it was just really no way out of it.
609
00:46:08,770 --> 00:46:11,730
And I said to myself, now,
what's next?
610
00:46:20,110 --> 00:46:23,950
As soon as I got that check
things changed.
611
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,380
I'm in his car
and we're going to this bank.
612
00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:37,050
Went in to get the check cash
right there.
613
00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:42,550
And all the money
went right to Jerry's hands.
614
00:46:43,140 --> 00:46:45,260
And teller said to me, he said,
615
00:46:45,350 --> 00:46:51,400
"Get that money, it's $50,000 taxes
on that, make sure you get that."
616
00:46:52,270 --> 00:46:58,150
But I didn't think anything of it,
you go numb, there's just no thought.
617
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:03,030
And that's kind of how I felt I think
with that money because it's not mine.
618
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:09,250
He said he had to go to Uncle Jerry
first, give him his piece of pie, then
619
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:15,290
everybody gets a piece of pie,
and it has to go in that order
620
00:47:15,380 --> 00:47:17,300
before I can get my money.
621
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:21,050
So I kept calling him, and calling him,
and he was like,
622
00:47:21,130 --> 00:47:25,260
"Call me back, say I'm gonna get the
money for you, I got the money on me.
623
00:47:25,350 --> 00:47:28,850
It's gonna be like another week or
whatever," he just kept putting me off.
624
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:33,190
And I heard the difference in his voice
like,
625
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:37,110
"Don't bug me,
you're gonna get your money."
626
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:43,030
I believed that Gennaro owed
Uncle Jerry money.
627
00:47:44,530 --> 00:47:48,910
I believe the money got too big
628
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,370
to not take a bigger piece of that pie.
629
00:47:53,460 --> 00:47:58,500
Because the spending habits
became bigger and grander.
630
00:47:58,590 --> 00:48:03,630
And I'm thinking, okay,
that's why I am not getting my money.
631
00:48:06,930 --> 00:48:10,560
I wonder if the local banks,
they'll have the money.
632
00:48:11,810 --> 00:48:14,650
- You know, it's a small town.
- It's a cute town.
633
00:48:14,730 --> 00:48:18,570
It's a great little town.
It's like living in the '60s.
634
00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:23,610
You could ask any number of people
what would drive you
635
00:48:23,780 --> 00:48:25,740
to do what these people did.
636
00:48:25,820 --> 00:48:28,370
The first one I peeled off,
I believe, was Pennsylvania
637
00:48:28,450 --> 00:48:32,500
and the second one I peeled off was
a million-dollar instant prize winner,
638
00:48:32,580 --> 00:48:34,830
and it was like,
wow, is this for real?
639
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,590
A lot of this is stealing money
using a device to do it,
640
00:48:38,670 --> 00:48:42,880
tricking somebody into it. And then two
or more do that, that's a conspiracy.
641
00:48:42,970 --> 00:48:45,340
Deborah is gonna be so happy
I said that.
642
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:47,010
but it's more than that.
643
00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:51,100
- Breakfast sandwich. I'm...
- Yes, breakfast sandwich.
644
00:48:51,180 --> 00:48:55,690
A lot of them are good people,
they make bad decisions whether it be
645
00:48:55,850 --> 00:48:59,770
they have fallen
into a financial problem,
646
00:48:59,940 --> 00:49:03,650
and they hear a nice way
to get out of it.
647
00:49:03,740 --> 00:49:08,570
That's your motivation, I'm gonna do it
because I need money
648
00:49:08,740 --> 00:49:12,290
for my kid's health or school,
or I'm gonna retire.
649
00:49:14,290 --> 00:49:19,460
Human nature makes us do
different things.
650
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,720
People want to justify what they did
or why they did it
651
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,260
so they can really live
with themselves.
652
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:31,890
Everyone, everyone watching this show
653
00:49:31,970 --> 00:49:35,100
cannot stand in front of a mirror,
654
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:39,730
look at themselves in the eyes and say
they've never done something
655
00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:43,940
that they wish
they could correct and take back.
656
00:49:49,950 --> 00:49:51,160
A couple of years later,
657
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:54,620
I had this company and it was
calling me on a regular basis,
658
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:58,120
trying to get me to come on this trip.
659
00:49:58,210 --> 00:50:03,050
I was very reluctant but they kept
saying it was for other winners,
660
00:50:03,130 --> 00:50:08,260
they wanna find out where we are now,
what we doing, just a follow-up.
661
00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:15,930
A lot of the stuff I just want to
block out and just forget it.
662
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:20,400
We just kind of went in
and laughed, and talked.
663
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,190
Try to make me feel comfortable but
I never felt comfortable about this.
664
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,030
Basically what I'd like you to do...
665
00:50:28,110 --> 00:50:30,860
Somebody asked me a question
from this side...
666
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:36,410
Then from the other side. That's when
I knew that something wasn't right.
667
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:41,120
I was about to get sick to the stomach
because I knew.
668
00:50:41,210 --> 00:50:43,540
And I was trying to cut them short,
669
00:50:43,630 --> 00:50:46,760
and they wouldn't stop
asking me questions.
670
00:50:48,670 --> 00:50:51,970
So when did you decide to move back
to Jacksonville...
671
00:50:52,050 --> 00:50:54,890
I feel like an interrogation went on
because
672
00:50:54,970 --> 00:51:00,140
when I was in there,
I was like, I could feel my adrenaline
673
00:51:00,230 --> 00:51:02,650
building a little bit because
674
00:51:02,730 --> 00:51:08,530
I knew that
they wasn't asking me questions...
675
00:51:08,610 --> 00:51:13,450
The questions they was asking me
was just to get it on record
676
00:51:13,530 --> 00:51:15,910
how I spent the money.
677
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,200
But I felt it.
678
00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:23,210
That feeling there's something else.
679
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,960
Okay. Let's rehearse it, okay?
You talk to the camera.
680
00:51:29,050 --> 00:51:31,760
You can do it slow
because this is like a rehearsal. Okay.
681
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,050
Did you have fun
with the undercover operation?
682
00:51:34,140 --> 00:51:36,890
It might have been,
683
00:51:36,970 --> 00:51:40,100
but you're about to
deprive someone of their freedom,
684
00:51:40,180 --> 00:51:44,190
their future, everything from family.
685
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:48,110
It's not meant to be
that kind of fun for us at all.
686
00:51:48,190 --> 00:51:53,280
It's not fun at all
to deprive liberty to someone.
687
00:51:54,110 --> 00:51:58,290
We just walked out of there and I was
kind of numb walking out the door,
688
00:51:58,450 --> 00:52:03,670
I'm like, "Oh, this is it,
something is gonna happen from this."
689
00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:17,100
It wasn't much longer after
the Fuzzy Bunny situation.
690
00:52:17,180 --> 00:52:21,270
I got real depressed, I didn't eat.
I was just so distraught
691
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:24,100
and I got mad.
I looked over at him
692
00:52:24,270 --> 00:52:27,110
and I told him about Uncle Jerry.
693
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:31,940
I said, "He asked me to marry him."
As soon as I said the words
694
00:52:32,030 --> 00:52:33,820
I was sorry,
695
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:38,200
because I could tell
it was a real thing.
696
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,870
Because at first I thought
this could be a setup,
697
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:46,420
maybe they're trying to find out
my loyalty, and it wasn't a set up.
698
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:50,460
And so he cussed Uncle Jerry out.
699
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:58,720
The next day
we're driving down the road.
700
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,270
Jerry's in the passenger seat,
I'm driving...
701
00:53:03,350 --> 00:53:06,270
Frankie is crying in the car seat.
702
00:53:06,350 --> 00:53:09,440
It's bothering Jerry
more than it is me.
703
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,030
And we got in an argument.
704
00:53:19,780 --> 00:53:26,120
And so he says, "Rob, I got to put him
down, let him down, it's enough."
705
00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:28,290
And so he took him out of his car seat.
706
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:35,630
Oh, my God, Jerry, come on.
And a little teardrop came down my face
707
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:39,010
and I thought
I'm never gonna get out of this.
708
00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:41,850
Come on. Lay down.
709
00:53:44,270 --> 00:53:45,810
Come on.
710
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,400
I want mommy, I want mommy.
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